get back control of our borders ? the other side of the political spectrum now we're having a look at labour, another labour u—turn, this time over schools. they really schools. can they really be trusted on anything? and how many actually many u—turns have they actually had in recent months? i'm also to going be chatting about this as gps and also junior as well. gps and also junior doctors well. must be doctors as well. it must be said, their degrees over said, getting their degrees over here student in order to here student loans, in order to do . and then are they just do that. and then are they just swanning off abroad? do they have to pay that loan back? should stay? can we should we make them stay? can we isupposeis should we make them stay? can we i suppose is the overarching question there. and finally, i'll about this as i'll be chatting about this as well. all going wales, well. it's all going wales, but very it's go at very slowly. it's all go at about an hour. it's about 20 miles an hour. it's caused a massive hoo ha this. there a of no there was a vote of no confidence in wales. people up in arms about mile an confidence in wales. people up in arspeed)ut mile an confidence in wales. people up in arspeed limit mile an confidence in wales. people up in ar speed limit chaos.1ile an confidence in wales. people up in ar speed limit chaos. could hour speed limit chaos. could that town or a that be coming to a town or a city near you? christys city near you? patrick christys . gb news. oh, yes. get your views coming in thick and fast. gb views. gbnews.com. do you think we should have a referendum on the echr? have you had enough of referendums ? and had enough of referendums? and you want our politicians to

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launched a full investigation. this is gb news across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . patrick news. now it's back to. patrick >> there is an almighty row brewing about the echr. that argument seems to centre around two key things perception on the world stage and sovereignty over border control in terms of how it would look on the world stage for us to get out of the echr. i'm a bit sick of british citizens having to pay the price for how the elites think we should to their elite mates should look to their elite mates around that is a around the world that is a luxury for people who luxury ambition for people who can afford luxuries which many ordinary cannot ordinary brits simply cannot get. people say if we pulled out of the echr, we'd be like russia or belarus . i mean, that's just or belarus. i mean, that's just not is it? but by that not true. is it? but by that logic, we'd also like anybody logic, we'd also be like anybody else in it. like, oh , else who isn't in it. like, oh, i america, canada, i don't know, america, canada, new , japan. i'd rather new zealand, japan. i'd rather be those countries than

be like those countries than like bosnia or lithuania or north . in belarus, a north macedonia. in belarus, a couple of years ago, there was a political uprising and about 27,000 people were initially detained. thousands were tortured, shot, beaten and killed . in belarus, their killed. in belarus, their security services are still known as the kgb. over here, people can get away with tearing down a statue and chucking it in a harbour and a police force are at pains not to accidentally misgender someone. there is a big difference there, isn't there? element of how we're there? the element of how we're perceived on the world stage that i really care about is how clearly millions of people from africa in the middle east think that we're a meal ticket and a free ride. our standing on the world stage clearly is that we are soft touch. now when it are a soft touch. now when it comes to sovereignty over our own borders, like the own borders, i feel like the vast of brits are not vast majority of brits are not comfortable with somebody from luxembourg, , luxembourg, liechtenstein, monaco or moldova being able to tell us who we can and cannot deport . that just doesn't sit deport. that just doesn't sit that well with me. it doesn't feel right , that well with me. it doesn't feel right, but it is this way.

if there was to be a vote on the table today, the british citizens, if they wanted foreign judges to be able to dictate who we could and could not keep in britain, i personally don't think that we would vote for that. think that we would vote for that . so should we now be given that. so should we now be given the choice to vote to leave it ? the choice to vote to leave it? i actually do feel sorry for suella braverman and rishi sunak. we've given money to the french to do a bit more in the channel. we've taken in genuine asylum seekers and refugees from ukraine as ukraine and afghanistan, as well as they've as other nations. they've gone into battle over illegal into battle over the illegal migration bill. they've sorted out kind of suella out a rwanda plan kind of suella stood up on the world stage and said that the world needs to change its definition of a refugee. frankly in to refugee. frankly in order to save from falling into save the world from falling into total chaos and disrepair. but the want to know. the world didn't want to know. so what's the only option now? is it not to leave the echr and have more control? the world isn't going to help us out here in britain. isn't it time to just help ourselves . yeah that's

just help ourselves. yeah that's what i think. i want to hear from you. of course. email me gb views. gbnews.com. do you think we should be getting out of the echr? there will be massive pushback and there pushback on that and there is a very staying in it very good case for staying in it as let me know your as well. so let me know your views either side . i'm joined views on either side. i'm joined now gb news political editor now by gb news political editor christopher christopher christopher hope. christopher thank you very, very much. look, let's just start with the politics begin with. how has politics to begin with. how has it gone down, this idea now, the kind of rolling of wicket, kind of rolling of the wicket, as were, for us leave the as it were, for us to leave the echr . echr. >> well, i think it's been well received . i think by by the received. i think by by the right of the tory party that that speech by suella braverman, an extraordinary speech made by an extraordinary speech made by a home secretary, one of the most ones i can most extraordinary ones i can remember covering remember in 20 years covering politics minster politics here in west minster has hares has really set the hares running. it was signed running. i mean, it was signed off number downing street. off by number 10 downing street. i a sense, suella i think in a sense, suella braverman was giving some cover for the prime minister, who is trying political. and trying to be more political. and we'll at next we'll see more of that at next week's party conference. week's tory party conference. but we'll hear more, more voices

, notably from priti patel, of course , who a predecessor of course, who was a predecessor of suella braverman. and earlier today westminster , in our today in westminster, in our studios i sat down to ask studios here, i sat down to ask her about this, and here's what she had to say . pulled out of she had to say. pulled out of the european convention on human rights. >> so i think it's right that we have this active live discussion and i voted in parliament basically to do that. there was a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and i don't think government can take options off the table. i really don't. and i've always thought that of course it'll with endless course it'll come with endless challenges difficulties and challenges and difficulties and by difficulties that by the way, difficulties that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. let's speak about this from an immigration perspective . right now, you know, we can do much more. there's no doubt about through derogations about that. through derogations of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to the work in the last to do the work in the last government this. so clearly government on this. so clearly there you know, it's right there is you know, it's right that at of this. but that we look at all of this. but what would say, having these what i would say, having these conversations, of conversations, this side of a general election when we could

be 8 months from be 6 to 8 months away from a general election in again, that's not going to lead to delivery. we to going go? delivery. are we to going go? the question and i'm sure the question is, and i'm sure the public will be interested in this, the next this, will we go to the next general again with general election again with a manifesto or leaving manifesto for reform or leaving the echr which the conservatives have you know, 2010, was have done? you know, 2010, i was i there. i to i see it there. i came to parliament. it's done parliament. it's been done before . and the question is, before. and so the question is, are they going to do it again? will should priti patel are they going to do it again? will shni'm priti patel are they going to do it again? will shni'm absolutely patel are they going to do it again? will shni'm absolutely pro .el are they going to do it again? will shni'm absolutely pro .l are they going to do it again? will shni'm absolutely pro . the i'm pro i'm absolutely pro. the changes need to see to changes that we need to see to protect our country and to protect our country and to protect the rights of britain and british citizens and it's right that we do this in a proper way, rather than over promising and then saying, you know, post a general election as it's happened before, it's too difficult. >> can you see a point in maybe at the end of the decade when the uk is not in the echr? well i would it's part of, you i would say it's part of, you know, reforms and changes know, the reforms and changes britain post—brexit . britain post—brexit. >> about that >> the crucial thing about that is, we said would is, is that we said we would reclaim sovereignty , it would be reclaim sovereignty, it would be in of laws. i in control of our laws. i believe that totally. i believe that. it's right that we that. and it's right that we do

that. and it's right that we do that. >> priti patel there talking to us here in our westminster studios. and that's the kind of language patrick, you'll be heanng language patrick, you'll be hearing through the next the next five days at the tory party conference. so people like priti patel to say, come on, we patel trying to say, come on, we need take some action need to take some action here. i'm full withdrawal is i'm not sure full withdrawal is on table. patrick, as you on the table. patrick, as you rightly , for example, old rightly say, for example, old people homes on people in care homes rely on human rights legislation to ensure treated with ensure they're treated with dignity in old age. so you don't want throw the baby out with want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. but i think the idea echr rules idea of making these echr rules work for who live work better for people who live in is something which is in the uk is something which is a issue right now in the a live issue right now in the tory a live issue right now in the tonyeah, exactly. and i opened a live issue right now in the tor byah, exactly. and i opened a live issue right now in the tor by sayingctly. and i opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying there'sd i opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying there's an opened a live issue right now in the tor by saying there's an almighty up by saying there's an almighty row over this and it has divided the arguably the conservative party, arguably a brexit, and a little bit like brexit, and there dissenting there are some dissenting voices when comes to any proposition when it comes to any proposition that should leave the that we should leave the echr what the of arguments what are the kind of arguments for staying then? i think you made there about the elderly made one there about the elderly in . in care homes. >> well, there's that. there's also issues of whenever you go on the world stage with the prime minister, those of us

lucky enough to go with him, he'll try and press human he'll often try and press human rights foreign rights issues in foreign countries, china, countries, notably in china, with the uyghurs in other places. raised the issue places. he raised the issue of an individual the g20 an individual on the recent g20 visit that went with him to visit that i went with him to delhi. there's also an issue there with the northern ireland peace sokovia bearing on peace process sokovia bearing on that. as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink how as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink how we as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look on as peace process sokovia bearing on tithink how we look on an as i think how we look on an international stage. if international stage. patrick, if we the echr, we were to pull out of the echr, it's hard for us then to it's quite hard for us then to lecture other countries about their behaviour internationally and within the within the uk. the human rights act that came in 1998 enshrined much of the echr in law, and that's where the whole problem has come about the whole problem has come about the rights and whose the issue of rights and whose rights matter more than the other but think those other others. but i think those there rights the there are some rights within the uk want, uk which we wouldn't want, wouldn't by pulling wouldn't want to lose by pulling out is complicated , but out the echr is complicated, but the think the law's got the point i think the law's got to be seen to work for britain's not britain's. that's not against britain's. that's the . the point. >> yeah, exactly. and look, i was a little look before was having a little look before i came on air, of course, with the of the echr and the composition of the echr and the composition of the echr and the manner which makes the manner in which it makes some its decisions. and i do some of its decisions. and i do think vast majority of

think that the vast majority of brits my view. you brits this would be my view. you know, with me. know, people disagree with me. get know. but get in touch, let me know. but wouldn't necessarily be that comfortable with the idea of someone say, moldova someone from, say, moldova or liechtenstein or monaco or arguably any other country. but i'm just rattling off a few of the ones there that may be are you're kind of more minnow nations, were, making nations, as it were, making decisions who can and decisions about who we can and can't our country. and can't keep in our country. and it in with suella it chimes in with what suella braverman saying braverman was saying just a couple ago, which is, couple of days ago, which is, look, got the illegal look, we've got the illegal migration bill we've got a rwanda play these. if rwanda plan here. play these. if the international community can have a look at changing the definition of a refugee so that we know , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or know , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refusen , deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refuse to deport more definition of a refugee so that we or refuse to accept more people or refuse to accept more people, i suppose would be the better it. if the better way of putting it. if the international community, which it done, it appears to have done, has said, want to said, no, we don't want to listen that, then arguably, listen to that, then arguably, arguably a way of us making sure we do have sovereignty over our borders to be get out the borders would to be get out the echr and get some planes taken off the ground. i mean, if we were out the echr, we were out at the echr, we probably flights probably would have flights taking rwanda, wouldn't we? >> well, we'll find out soon enough. when the supreme court

reports back in november, of course, starts course, that court case starts in 7th. and we'll in october the 7th. and we'll see how ends up in november see how that ends up in november . i mean, yeah, you're right. i mean , we see flights mean, we could see those flights taking off the flights, which which suella braverman the home secretary about . i which suella braverman the home secretary about. i mean, secretary dreams about. i mean, the idea of rwanda was was actually priti patel's idea. she was the first one announce actually priti patel's idea. she wa ande first one announce actually priti patel's idea. she waand itirst one announce actually priti patel's idea. she waand it wasme announce actually priti patel's idea. she wa and it was being announce actually priti patel's idea. she wa and it was being driven, ce it. and it was being driven, pushed across all of government. so they are that is the point . so they are that is the point. they feel can it's they feel they can it's important , they feel they can it's important, i think, to reform, make these laws work. you go back to those other back there to those other countries, point this countries, the point about this is don't really know the is we don't really know the strasbourg court, the echr court, which enforced it, is quite remote, isn't seen. the point is to try and bring it back shore, suppose in a back on shore, i suppose in a way that brexit brought back control nearer power nearer to the is maybe the people. the idea is maybe the people. the idea is maybe the that justice is the way that justice is administered people administered to for people living here should brought living here should be brought nearer . that's the nearer to the uk. that's the point. yeah. >> thank you >> look, christopher, thank you very, much. christopher very, very much. christopher hope news political hope there. gb news political editor from our studios in westminster. i'm just going to go to the inbox a little bit here now. gb views on

gbnews.com. very gbnews.com. thank you very much. for who's really for everybody who's been really kicking about the kicking off actually about the echr john's been on. he says your monologue was on the money. thank you very john. thank you very much, john. he says remembering that says it's worth remembering that a a very a certain person spent a very long time trying to get people smugglers. et cetera. basically he's making the point that the people smugglers essentially could be aided and abetted by us being the echr . therefore, being in the echr. therefore, their business model can't be broken we can't deport broken if we can't deport people. i understand point people. i understand the point that john. that you're making there, john. yes, for her yes, well done, suella for her speech, catherine. she says speech, says catherine. she says that she has loads support that she has loads of support out there that basic plea out there and that basic plea that we should be getting out of the echr for why should people dictate to us about human rights? says sean . about rights? says sean. what about our human rights? aren't we entitled our borders entitled to protect our borders , to preserve our culture? the sooner we the echr , the sooner we leave the echr, the better that sean's view and it's about our government . it's better that sean's view and it's about our government. it's about time our government stood up and did things for us and stopped pandenng did things for us and stopped pandering to other people. that's from merv and for me,

that's kind of where where it solves here, which is about this idea of how it would look on the world stage. now, i get, you know, international diplomacy and we don't be and we don't want to be international pariahs, but at what ? okay. at what what expense? okay. at what expense do we start trying to pander people on the world pander to people on the world stage opposed to maybe stage as opposed to maybe protecting our own interests? we saw net zero, saw it a lot with net zero, didn't thankfully didn't we? and thankfully we've had a slow down had a little bit of a slow down when to net zero. was when it comes to net zero. was a lot of not grand standing lot of that not grand standing to want be world to say we want to be world leading when comes to leading when it comes to fighting change. but fighting climate change. but meanwhile, how are ordinary british taxpayers to british taxpayers going to pay for something for it? is it something similar with echr well ? if we're with the echr as well? if we're deliberately controlling our deliberately not controlling our borders so that we can stand up to other countries who, in my view, don't really care? countries like china russia countries like china or russia and look how great human and say, look how great human rights britain, then is rights are in britain, then is that a price worth paying? i'm not is, and i think not sure it is, and i think that's point that few of that's the point that a few of you are in the inbox. you are making in the inbox. vaiews@gbnews.com whether vaiews@gbnews.com about whether or time for to get or not it is time for us to get out of echr . but we heard out of the echr. but we heard dame patel earlier on dame priti patel earlier on there calling for us to leave there calling for us to leave

the you hear lots the echr and you can hear lots more from the former home secretary on the breakfast show tomorrow morning. so make sure that tune in from that. now, that you tune in from that. now, i'll also have much more on this story a little bit later on in the show. we'll be having a big debate actually. so keep debate on it, actually. so keep those but at those views coming in. but at 4:00, will a debate, like 4:00, i will host a debate, like i on whether we i was saying, on whether we should the you should be out of the echr. you can get loads more on story can get loads more on that story right website. right now on our website. gb news.com right now on our website. gbnews.com which is the fastest gb news.com which is the fastest growing national news site in the the best the country. all the best analysis, big opinion analysis, all the big opinion and latest and of course, the latest breaking but get this sir breaking news. but get this sir keir starmer has performed another u—turn. labour has backed down on its pledge to strip private schools of their charitable status . what do you charitable status. what do you make of this? for me, it's a bigger picture. it's not really about the private schools. it's about the private schools. it's a bigger picture about labour u—turn , which we're going to u—turn, which we're going to delve hannood delve into with tom hannood shortly, whether not they can shortly, whether or not they can be things. they be trusted on things. do they say they really mean say what they really mean initially, like potentially with the potentially with the eu? like potentially with asylum quotas, like asylum seeker quotas, like potentially with votes for 16

year and then row back on year olds and then row back on it a little bit later on when they realise that maybe that's not as popular and this is anecdotal, the first anecdotal, but for the first time while, your time in a while, i want your views again. for the views on this again. for the first a people first time in a while, people are coming me and saying are coming up to me and saying to how you think to me actually how do you think the next general election is really going to go? because it was of months ago was only a couple of months ago that was talking about that everyone was talking about a is the tide a labour landslide. is the tide turning christys turning patrick christys gb news, channel

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. gb news. >> welcome back. wonderful people. it is 323 while watching or listening to me patrick christys on gb news now in a few moments i will discuss the extraordinary news that less than half of trainee gps end up taking full time jobs with the nhs. now is that okay? i'm having a little look into this, right, because do they get student loans to train here and then swan off to a different country? do they have to repay their student loans? is that right, do you is that right, do you think? is that okay? free okay? is that like a free education the education really at the taxpayers expense? and then they can and coin in can go off and coin it in in places australia with places like australia with arguably different arguably a better different health ? but before health care system? but before that, you can usually tell when there's going to be a labour u—turn because there's a d in the day. yes. and today, sir keir starmer has changed his policy on private schools. a labour government would not strip them of their charitable status. well in 2021, shadow chancellor rachel reeves said private schools are not charities, and that changing the law would raise £1.7 billion a

yean law would raise £1.7 billion a year. it is also interesting because when i do talk to a lot of labour mps and i say to them how are you going to pay for x, y and z? how are you going to pay for x, y and 2? one of the things that they quite often say to me is, is that £1.7 billion is going to go somewhere. so going go somewhere. so they're going to find that somewhere go somewhere. so they're going to now, find that somewhere go somewhere. so they're going to now, byd that somewhere go somewhere. so they're going to now, by the at somewhere go somewhere. so they're going to now, by the looks1ewhere else. now, by the looks of things. but i'm joined by our deputy political editor, tom hannood. very hannood. tom thank you very much. this much. let's deal with this u—turn so u—turn first, shall we? so what's on? what's gone on? >> well, it's a little bit more complicated than a straight u—turn. they haven't rowed back every element of the policy, but they do seem to be clinging on to two particular bits of it. no longer will the labour party be stripping all independent schools of their . charitable schools of their. charitable status, but they will be doing part part of that by charging a vat on school fees. so that's 20% more expense lviv for school fees for parents who choose to

send their children to these independent schools. they're also charge business also likely to charge business rates in full for school property, which of course charities get an exemption from. so charitable status to remain, that means gift outs to those independent school , perhaps independent school, perhaps people leaving money to those independent schools that would still receive gift aid that would be an element of charity tax relief that these schools could keep. similarly expectations of charitable work by these schools. and perhaps this is the nub of it that many of these schools offer programmes helping out local state schools and similar with with programmes of outreach. the labour party would want to retain that, but they would also, on the other hand , be be also, on the other hand, be be charging vat crucially on those school fees. so it's a bit of a having their cake and eating it policy. a half roback, a half u—turn . u—turn. >> okay, a half u—turn then. and tom, what? do you mind? you're a

you're a political animal, tom. you know everything there is to know about politics, right? so what kind u—turns have we what kind of u—turns have we have? we had at the minute? what kind we kind of discrepancies have we had the moment from the had at the moment from the labour party? because know, labour party? because you know, keir getting little keir starmer is getting a little bit amongst bit of a reputation amongst certain quarters for rowing back on like that's certainly on stuff like that's certainly the case. >> it's undoubtable that when sir keir starmer stood to be the leader of the labour party in 2020, he was offering a very, very different prospectus from the policy prospectus he offers the policy prospectus he offers the country now. back then he was talking about abolishing tuition fees. that's gone. that's been scrapped . back then that's been scrapped. back then he was talking about nationalising rail and mail and water that's been scrapped . back water that's been scrapped. back then he was talking about retaining and fighting for free movement with the european union . that has been gone, that has been scrapped as a labour party policy. in fact, there were ten pledges upon which keir starmer

stood to become labour leader almost to a single pledge. almost every single one of them has in one form or other, been stepped back from, and that's created a lot of disharmony within the labour party. there are those on the left of the labour party who feel a certain sense of betrayed ppl by sir keir starmer because they voted him in earnestly believing he would continue that jeremy corbyn project. of course he called jeremy corbyn a friend of his. he said he wanted to keep the best things about the corbyn years of the labour party and ever since he's been in the role, been rowing back from role, he's been rowing back from that. presents a that. but that presents a political risk. at the moment. it's left of his party that it's the left of his party that feels they've been feels like they've been betrayed, feels like betrayed, that feels like they've done over by sir they've been done over by sir keir starmer because of his shift away the left wing shift away from the left wing policy proposals. but it does create political risk because if he's moved that way to get into power, what way might he move? some people may ask once he's in power, might he go back to form, back to those 2020 policies as

he would say? no. but i suppose it's up to individuals to make their own minds up as to whether they can trust him on the positions on which he now stands. yeah, this is exactly it, right? >> this is exactly it. which is that. by way , i mean that. and by the way, i mean keir by no means will be keir starmer by no means will be the only politician to ever do this all, which would be to this at all, which would be to say load stuff get say a load of stuff to get elected and then do something different you're in power. different when you're in power. there's about that. there's nothing new about that. and of the game and that's the name of the game in a way. unfortunately depressingly, the british public, name depressingly, the british puthe, name depressingly, the british puthe game, name depressingly, the british puthe game, right? name depressingly, the british puthe game, right? is name depressingly, the british puthe game, right? is there of the game, right? so is there anidea of the game, right? so is there an idea now, especially with what we've with him going what we've seen with him going and meeting macron, is the labour forced to labour party have been forced to deny was some kind of deny that there was some kind of secret there a labour secret deal there after a labour mp on very and mp came on this very show and appeared there appeared to indicate that there was votes for 16 year olds. i'm just calling it votes for kids. essentially talks of some kind of quota, whether or not of asylum quota, whether or not we'd we'd be up for that is we'd be we'd be up for that is there genuine concern , do there some genuine concern, do you think, keir starmer has you think, that keir starmer has got a habit of opening his mouth now, that certain now, realising that certain things actually wants things that he actually wants to do unpopular, do are quite unpopular, promising won't do them, promising that he won't do them, but risk of him actually

but that risk of him actually doing them he in power, doing them when he is in power, if he is in power. >> patrick it was only a couple of days ago when we spoke about the strategic ambiguity of the liberal democrat party in their policy towards europe, trying not talk in not to talk about it in specifics because of the kind of voters they're now going after . voters they're now going after. also, it wasn't that long ago we spoke rishi sunak wiping spoke about rishi sunak wiping the slate clean. was the slate clean. that was the phrase spokesman used after phrase his spokesman used after becoming minister he felt becoming prime minister he felt that those pledges he stood on to become prime minister back in the summer of last year, whether it was, of course, one of the key ones there was shredding all of eu law. that's a big of that. eu law. that's a big u—turn that the prime minister, that rishi has made, that rishi sunak has made, although it does seem he may now be some the other be reviving some of the other pledges he made when standing to become prime minister, notably potentially for missed potentially charging for missed gp appointments. that's something that might be popular with certain sections of the right electorate in this country. but yes , certainly i country. but yes, certainly i think it's fair to say that keir

starmer has done a bit more of this public u—turn thing than some of those other politicians . but but of course they are all up to it. >> oh, they're all at it, aren't they? tom, thank you very much. tom hannood there. our deputy political editor in westminster for chance to for us. just a quick chance to delve into the terrifying delve back into the terrifying world inbox, world of my inbox, gbviews@gbnews.com. one more from alan cumbria, from alan here in cumbria, a lovely the world there. lovely part of the world there. alan old haunts, alan used to be my old haunts, but says we should the but he says we should leave the echr possible . why echr as soon as possible. why would affect things like old would it affect things like old people care homes, for people in care homes, for example? couldn't just example? why couldn't we just keep part of our keep those laws as part of our own laws? and alan, that's a own uk laws? and alan, that's a point i agree point that i agree with completely . why we have to completely. why would we have to simply virtue of being out of simply by virtue of being out of the suddenly into the echr suddenly turn into a tyrannical that tyrannical state that disenfranchised some of most disenfranchised some of the most vulnerable people society ? i vulnerable people in society? i don't have do that. don't think we have to do that. of that of course people would say that maybe it easier for us maybe it makes it easier for us to and could open the to do that and it could open the door tyranny down the road. door for tyranny down the road. but appears to be a lot of but there appears to be a lot of legal balances in the legal checks and balances in the way that, but loads way for that, but loads more still to come between now and 4:00, going to have a look 4:00, i'm going to have a look

at alarming report at this very alarming report that highlights just how many gp's are going abroad. and i want ask whether we're want to ask whether or not we're basically training up staff for other services other country's health services . again, to be fair, . again, i mean, to be fair, we've been pinching world's we've been pinching the world's health , haven't we, for health services, haven't we, for a very long but it's not a very long time. but it's not nice it's happening to nice when it's happening to us and i'm taking a stand against it. but it's the latest it. but first, it's the latest headunes it. but first, it's the latest headlines with . lisa headlines with. lisa >> it's 331. i'm lisa hartl in the newsroom. the family of a 15 year old who was stabbed to death in croydon have paid tribute to her as the investigation continues . ellie investigation continues. ellie arade dam was attacked whilst she on her way to school. she was on her way to school. her family say was the light her family say she was the light of their lives as film television and stage actor sir michael gambon has died at the age of 82, following a bout of pneumonia. a warning this contains flashing images. so michael , who was best known for michael, who was best known for playing albus dumbledore in the harry potter films, won four tv baftas in a career that spanned

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7577 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . so the taxpayer is investment. so the taxpayer is paying investment. so the taxpayer is paying millions of pounds to train up doctors who never work for the nhs. >> apparently a shock report has revealed that less than half of trainee gp's end up getting full time jobs. with our health service. an increasing number of doctors and nurses are moving to countries like australia who offer better pay and working conditions. probably better weather as well than our nhs. i just wonder whether or not this is okay. is it? i mean, can we stop them? i don't know if we can really force people to stay in the country, although it's partly a joke in there somewhere. but i'm joined now by bhasha mukherjee, who is a junior very junior doctor. thank you very much great to much for joining me. great to have show. so look, have you on the show. so look, educate me on this then. so as it currently stands, you could train man to be a doctor in this

country, get a student loan. could you, to do that? and then leave as soon as you qualify. just talk me through it. >> yes , of course . >> yes, of course. >> yes, of course. >> there are lots of colleagues have done that. >> well , the preliminary >> well, the preliminary training here in the uk and it's up to them. they can usually stay to do the f1 and f2 , which stay to do the f1 and f2, which is the foundation years training . and at any point in this stage of their training, they are welcome to go abroad and, you know, try their luck abroad, especially foundation especially after the foundation in to when they're basic a qualified doctor and they can go and do the role of a doctor out in any country. >> so yes, a lot of people i know have done the same. >> so if you do that, then do you have to pay back your student loan ? student loan? >> um , in the country , then you >> um, in the country, then you won't be charged your student loan fees from your , um, loan fees from your, um, earnings because essentially

you're not, you know, you're not paying you're not, you know, you're not paying tax or anything like that. >> so it's only when you're earning in this country , from my earning in this country, from my understanding, that you have to pay understanding, that you have to pay your student loans , i think pay your student loans, i think that's fair. >> then do you think that's all right for the british taxpayer to pay people's medical to pay for people's medical education and then not have any of the benefit of that or receive any of that money back ? receive any of that money back? >> i think the question really is why the doctors and nurses are leaving and why they're opting not to work in the nhs, in the uk. >> um, absolutely . i think the >> um, absolutely. i think the tax payers, including myself, we, we expect that what's done with our money is going in a good place. but actually where the budget is being spent is very questionable really. and you know, i was here in gb news last week talking about the junior doctors strike. >> and as to, you know, why >> um, and as to, you know, why we're striking essentially the nhs , why are there such long nhs, why are there such long waiting lists ? waiting lists? >> why yeah. but with respect, is that not, is it not all a little bit wrapped up because,

you know, the public are paying for people to get an education, to doctor to be trained as a doctor and then those people are leaving and the nhs is short staffed and the british taxpayer is massively out of pocket . massively out of pocket. >> well, it's interesting because , um, if we're training because, um, if we're training the doctors and not creating an environment where they can, uh, you know, make that, make it worthwhile for them to stay in this country , to work in this this country, to work in this country, to actually have a good life overall . life overall. >> so, um, with, with balance , >> so, um, with, with balance, of course, with a balance of having enough to pay your bills and enough to enough time in your hand and not be completely burnt out, i think that's where junior doctors, a lot of doctors and nurses in the medical field, they feel that they're at a disservice because they are giving it their all whilst they're working nhs and they're working in the nhs and they're working in the nhs and they're really getting the they're not really getting the returns. primarily returns. and that's primarily the reason why they're striking or sadly, thousands of them are also leaving the country and going abroad because their

prospects are better elsewhere. >> it might seem >> see why it might seem a little unusual to the little bit unusual to the british britain is british taxpayer that britain is clearly enough to clearly a good enough place to grow to live and we have grow up and to live and we have a health service that's good enough to keep you alive up until point where you until the point where you can get and get a great education ion. and then that education by then further, that education by having tax payer funded having a tax payer funded medical education within our health service and so that's all. all right for people over here. but then once they've done all that, they leave and say how bad we are over here. can you see how that might not go down that well with the british taxpayer? think all the taxpayer? do you think all the british taxpayers really paying for education? british taxpayers really paying for because ation? british taxpayers really paying for because ultimately only the >> because ultimately only the people staying and who people who are staying and who are this country, we are working in this country, we are working in this country, we are having to live with are still having to live with the debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year . the debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year. and, you the debt of, you know, 90,000 plus a year . and, you know, for plus a year. and, you know, for us, some of us is six, seven years in in university . so we're years in in university. so we're still having to pay it ourselves. it's only those people who are leaving. and why are those people leaving? they're leaving because they they can't make a living out here. they can't. they're their jobs. the job life here is not

good enough , especially in the good enough, especially in the nhs. so that's the reason why they're leaving. and you know, sadly, that's what we're trying to with things like the to prevent with things like the strikes, with trying to do the pay strikes, with trying to do the pay restoration. so at least it compensates those people and allows people retention of staff. >> so for a bit of context then for our viewers and our listeners, what is the salary now? because i mean, i suppose taxpayers aren't paying that as well. so what is the salary now and what would it be with pay restoration ? restoration? >> so we're asking for the restoration of, you know, we've had 26% regression over the last ten years. now it looks different for each taxpayer, which with each doctor of each level . but, you know, i'm not level. but, you know, i'm not i'm not a mathematician here. but what we're all all we're asking for is a pay restoration. if we compare that from ten years ago, what doctors were being paid in comparison to inflation and everything, we're

being paid less than that. 26% less than that. so in a sense, junior doctors, currently you're saying we're we're valued less now, to be honest with you. >> but i really do just want to know what what the what some of the figures are now. what the figures are now. so what what salary now and what what the salary is now and what it look like with, what it would look like with, what was it, 26% increase? i think, because, know, it needs because, you know, it needs pubuc because, you know, it needs public support doesn't if public support, doesn't it, if you're say that the you're going to say that the taxpayer fork out a lot taxpayer needs to fork out a lot more money after we've given people student so can people a student loan. so can we make informed decision make an informed decision on that? numbers ? >>i ? >> i don't think the argument is about the taxpayer paying more. i think the argument where i think the argument is where the is being be the budget is being spent. to be honest. >> i'm saying it is. so what is it? sorry what's the question? i am i am saying that is that's the certainly the the that's certainly the argument. having. right. so argument. i'm having. right. so what what are what so what is it? what are those numbers ? those numbers? >> it will be or for >> what from it will be or for somebody else as i said. >> yeah. what would your what would your. okay let me make it easy what would your salary look like if you had a 20, 26% increase? go on. >> you got to ask

>> gosh, you got to ask me something . something. >> well, i am because. because if i was. if was, you know, in if i was. if i was, you know, in need of urgent the need of urgent care at the moment. i know, i know people at the moment waiting the moment who are waiting a heck time the nhs heck of a long time on the nhs for different for a variety of different reasons and you know reasons for things and you know , people are to , if those people are going to support action people support strike action or people train over here with a student loan and then and then leaving , loan and then and then leaving, then i think they need a bit of context as to what they're supporting. no i don't think it's a oh, sorry , my lights just it's a oh, sorry, my lights just gone. so. right. it's nhs budget cuts. the lights have gone out, unfortunately. go. cuts. the lights have gone out, unforisnately. go. cuts. the lights have gone out, unforis aitely. go. cuts. the lights have gone out, unforis a real go. cuts. the lights have gone out, unforis a real world go. cuts. the lights have gone out, unforis a real world example of that is a real world example of how catastrophic is the nhs. no, come look. come on. look come on, look. come on. look let's just be honest. are you going an answer or going to give me an answer or not about what your would not about what your salary would look after 26% increase? look like after 26% increase? >> is it's >> all i can say is that it's not about they're paying more. it's about changing where the budget and that's where budget is spent and that's where my actually my argument is. and actually we're spending money on we're spending more money on things we shouldn't be. and things that we shouldn't be. and one i've said this one of that i've said this before actually getting before is actually what getting paid per year. they're getting paid per year. they're getting paid £86,000 a year and they're

getting extra perks, like getting extra perks, like getting their living costs accommodated for staff. they're working costs, they're travel, all these perks that are being given to, again, a public servant. so why the discrepancy between what another public servants say the mps are getting versus doctors we spend over almost £1 billion on on the on the royal coronation for example. so all these things are where the money. >> but if you're arguing look, if your argument was really that easy to make right then you would and you thought it would be popular, you would tell be popular, then you would tell me salary would look me what your salary would look like with 26% increase. but like with a 26% increase. but you're not you're not going to do you know, for people if >> and, you know, for people if they to look at that, they want to look at that, haven't the figures right haven't got the figures right in front now for you. front of me right now for you. but in terms of look that up, is anybody can google that the british medical association and see what that increment will look like in real figures in an

hourly rate . we're talking about hourly rate. we're talking about junior doctors . junior doctors. >> we're not going anywhere here. all right. all right. thank you very much, basha mukherjee, who's a junior doctor .thank mukherjee, who's a junior doctor . thank you very, very much. cheers for for that. cheers for cheers for that. right. we'll be having right. okay. we'll be having another discussion about that a bit the show . but bit later on in the show. but there we go. and alien arade dam has been named as the victim of yesterday's knife attack in croydon. that's according to the metropolitan police . now, metropolitan police. now, a teenage boy remains in custody and is being questioned by police detectives after the fatal stabbing of a 15 year old girl with supposedly a foot long knife . dozens of flowers have knife. dozens of flowers have been left at the scene of the attack, which happened half attack, which happened at half past morning. we past eight yesterday morning. we can cross over quickly now to our reporter charlie peters, who's croydon for us. who's in croydon for us. charlie, what's the latest, please ? please? >> hi there, patrick. yes, over here in croydon on the wellesley road, where in the last hour, the police have confirmed that 15 year old leon arade dam was

actually attacked, not on the bus behind me where the altercation started, but about ten metres up the road at the bus stop nearby, where they described devastating scene , described a devastating scene, local and witnesses at local sources and witnesses at the area said that the blood was flowing like a fountain and it was an extremely traumatic incident. the attacker fled from the scene and the bus driver and a woman attempted cpr on the young victim who sadly died upon arrival at hospital within the houn arrival at hospital within the hour. now, in a statement also released in the last hour , ltns released in the last hour, ltns family said our hearts are broken by her senseless death. a lion was the light of our lives. she was bright and funny and with many friends who all adored her. she was only 15 and had her whole life ahead of her with hopes and dreams for the future . all of those dreams have now been shattered. our lives have fallen apart along with that of our wider family. and that sense of loss and devastation very keenly felt here in croydon .

keenly felt here in croydon. also speaking to locals this morning and early this afternoon, they said that they were also concerned about how safe they felt in south london. >> not really, to be honest with you, i do not feel really safe, especially with my parents telling that watch telling me that i should watch my day. my back every day. >> have go to college. i do >> i have to go to college. i do not really safe . and i feel not really feel safe. and i feel like, know, sometimes i do like, you know, sometimes i do not want to go study not even want to go study anymore because, you the anymore because, you know, the amount of crimes happening amount of crimes are happening around is not that really around here is not that really safe. so, no, i do not feel safe around here is not that really sa'all.io, no, i do not feel safe at all. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> i've never felt safe in croydon. i probably see an incident happening every day. i come out . come out. >> what's also being said this afternoon by many locals in croydon is concern about the knife and the weapon that was supposedly used. apparently 30cm long, very concerning reports here from croydon now. >> indeed. charlie, thank you very much. charlie peters there from croydon for us, the scene of that devastating incident. now a welsh government minister has survived a vote of no confidence as anger about the country's controversial 12 mile

an hour speed limit shows no signs of going away. yes, i mean, remarkable chaos in wales based around a speed limit, but i'll be filling you in on it all. patrick christys. gb news, britain's news. channel

>> welcome back it's just coming up to 10 to 4. you're watching or listening to me patrick christys on gb news now at four as the fallout from suella bravermans major speech on

migration i'm going migration continues. i'm going to have a big debate whether or not leave the echr not we should leave the echr some will say that makes some people will say that makes like belarus. say that's an like belarus. i say that's an absolute of rubbish. but absolute load of rubbish. but the mile the minister behind the 20 mile an limit across wales an hour speed limit across wales has of no has faced a vote of no confidence. but is the war on motorists end? motorists ever going to end? deputy climate change minister lee waters easily survived the vote, but promised to listen to the angry drivers who had almost cost him his job. the speed limit is disrupting public transport with bus services across rural wales delayed some routes, even being forced to change to try and stay on time. joining me now for more on this is dan campsall. now he's the chairman of agilisys , which is chairman of agilisys, which is actually quite hard to say who analyse road unsafety data. thank you very much. dan great to have you on the show . and to have you on the show. and right. okay. so good to be with you. >> patrick. >> patrick. >> this 20 mile an hour speed limit appears to have caused rather a lot of chaos. i mean, do you back it? is it a good thing? does it work? is there any point ?

any point? >> yeah. look, i think there's a significant point introducing significant point to introducing these limits . the these lower limits. the fundamental issue at stake here is that when vehicles hit soft tissue, pedestrians, human beings like you or i, we don't come off very well. and when you switch from 20 miles an hour to 30 miles an hour, the risk of severe injury increases fivefold. so actually , we do fivefold. so actually, we do need lower speeds in our urban areas because they protect pedestrians. our kids, our vulnerable, older adults, and they create a much better and healthier environment which enables us to do more walking, more cycling, to be more active in our local community and to reduce the amount of severance there is in our community. >> what kind of what what kind of. >> yeah, sorry to interrupt, but how many how many lives how many how many how many lives a year do you reckon this will save then, if we switch to 20 in urban areas. >> well know that when >> well so we know that when we've at studies right we've looked at studies right across the whole europe where across the whole of europe where 20 an hour have been 20 miles an hour have been

introduced an hour introduced in 30 mile an hour areas, we've seen a decrease of 26% of fatalities and serious injuries. >> so actually, the evidence is there that it does make roads safer and produces a whole range of other more beneficial outcomes for the local communities . and when the people communities. and when the people of wales were asked whether they would like a 20 mile per hour speed limit where they live , 80% speed limit where they live, 80% of the population said, yeah, actually i would like so actually i would like that. so it's also not as unpopular as perhaps it's made out to be. >> no, i get that. i mean, i think it's probably unpopular for drivers in a rush. right. and then i do i do think the cynic would say that you cynic in me would say that you could slap a load of 20 mile an hour speed cameras around the area catch out some area and probably catch out some people doing miles hour. people doing 22 miles an hour. and might be a decent way of and it might be a decent way of raising money. you raising a bit of money. do you think whiff of that? think there's a whiff of that? >> so as somebody in my >> so as somebody who in my history , i have to confess, history, i have to confess, i used to actually be involved in running speed cameras . the running some speed cameras. the criteria for putting off. i know, right? get him off the criteria for those putting those

in place actually tends to be pretty stringent. and i haven't met a senior police officer around the country who's interested in doing it simply just to raise some revenue. so there's a whole conversation to be had between highway authorities and the police about where you enforcement is appropriate. but in the vast majority of cases and the early evidence coming out from wales is that people are actually reducing their speed voluntarily without the need for enforcement. so we took an analysis after just one week of the new limits being in place, we analysed 500km of the road network that had been reduced to 20 miles an hour and we found that already there was a three mile per hour reduction in speeds because people are actually choosing to stick to those new lower limits. do you drive down? those new lower limits. do you drierahvn? those new lower limits. do you dri\yeah ,1? those new lower limits. do you dri\yeah , of course i do. >> yeah, of course i do. >> yeah, of course i do. >> yeah. and in fact, the local town where i live in oxfordshire has recently implemented a whole load of 20 mile an hour limits. and have to confess, one of and i have to confess, one of those 15 minute cities places.

>> , is oxfordshire ? no, >> is it, is it oxfordshire? no, it's not. >> so i'm from near the town of witney in west oxfordshire and oxfordshire has been implementing 20 mile an hour limits across much of their network for quite some time. and do you know what? as as a driver? yeah, i have to concentrate that bit more and i have to make sure that i reduce my speed. but as somebody who's who's kids, right? their bikes to school or walk to see friends or you know, use the local skate park. i'm actually quite glad of a lower limit because actually it gives me much more confidence that they can make those journeys in safer. >> i think there's a i think there's an argument that i'm assuming you've bit assuming maybe you've done a bit of research on this, which is the would of research on this, which is the looking, would of research on this, which is the looking, not would of research on this, which is the looking, not looking uld of research on this, which is the looking, not looking ati spend looking, not looking at the road. if you're concentrating on on an concentrating on on 20 mile an hounis concentrating on on 20 mile an hour, is that concern? hour, is that a concern? >> know, you what? >> you know, do you know what? that's issues that's one of those issues that's been raised a number of times and from times over the years. and from any of the academic studies that i've no evidence any of the academic studies that i've actually no evidence any of the academic studies that i've actually people evidence any of the academic studies that i've actually people find ence that actually people find a distracting effect of the

changes to the speed limit . in changes to the speed limit. in fact, i was with some colleagues in sweden where they've done a whole load of speed limit changes and i was quizzing them about their evidence on that. and the case. and it just isn't the case. >> all right, dan, we're going to have to we're to have to have to we're going to have to have to we're going to have to about a phrase. to talk about a phrase. park it there. afraid. good man, there. i'm afraid. my good man, dan, cancel there. thank you very much. the chairman of agilisys. go. road agilisys. there we go. road safety data okay. safety data now. okay. the government the government tries to solve the migrant crisis, but actually, is it go nuclear and it time to just go nuclear and leave echr big debate when i leave the echr big debate when i return. patrick christys gb news britain's channel britain's news channel >> good afternoon , i'm alex >> good afternoon, i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we're going to turn quite wet overnight. some of rain likely to be some of that rain likely to be heavy places least for heavy in places and at least for a while it'll get pretty mystery to thanks pressure to all, thanks to low pressure storm agnes cleared away to storm agnes has cleared away to the couple the north, but there's a couple more from the west. more heading in from the west. not quite as potent, but still going to bring us a wet and windy for parts of windy spell to give for parts of south we do have south wales where we do have a met office. yellow warning in place heavy rain, but

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late . late. >> it's 4 pm. it's patrick christie's is gb news big debate incoming on whether or not we should pull out of the echr would it make us like belarus or would it make us like belarus or would it make us like belarus or would it give us proper control of our borders? and yes , the of our borders? and yes, the other side of the political spectrum, another labour u—turn of sorts this time, of course,

when it comes to education, we're having a little look at some of the other previous labour well labour unions just asking, well , say one to , keir starmer, say one thing to get power then do get into power and then do another ever actually gets another if he ever actually gets there . now this has got a lot of there. now this has got a lot of you in the inbox after my you going in the inbox after my latest interview a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing ew a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to a gp who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to me5p who you going in the inbox after my late refusing to me5p wimuch was refusing to tell me how much they paid or what their they were paid or what their desired rise would actually desired pay rise would actually put but anyway, should put them on. but anyway, should we stay? if you train we make gps stay? if you train here? oh, okay. so you get a student loan, the taxpayer in a way pays your education. way pays for your education. should he then allowed should he then be allowed to swan abroad in immediately swan off abroad in immediately and not pay that student loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay that student loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithinkudent loan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithink that'sloan swan off abroad in immediately and nidoiay tithink that's okay? back? do you think that's okay? and yes , we're having and finally, yes, we're having a little at harry and little look at harry and meghan's latest pr gaffe. busy hour coming your way, patrick christie's . gb news. yeah, get christie's. gb news. yeah, get the emails coming in as you always do. gb views or gbnews.com. i want to know from you, we're leading in the hour with a big debate on the echr. do you think it's time for us to get it? the get out of it? if the

international community not international community is not going help us control our going to help us control our borders, we just take going to help us control our borders, into we just take going to help us control our borders, into our we just take going to help us control our borders, into our own st take going to help us control our borders, into our own hands? matters into our own hands? or would countries would it make us like countries like gb views or like belarus? gb views or gbnews.com? now it's gbnews.com? but right now it's your headlines. we're polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> patrick thank you. the family of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed in south london yesterday have been paying tribute to her as the police investigation into her murder continues. ltn arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school in croydon in a statement, her family said our hearts are broken by the senseless death of our daughter, ellie anne was the light of our lives. a 17 year old boy who police say was known to the victim remains in custody after being arrested yesterday morning . our roads and local transport minister richard holden told gb news what's being done to tackle knife crime . knife crime. >> new legislation has been brought in centred forces are being strengthened, which is vitally important as well . but vitally important as well. but overall i think this is about us

as a society really ensuring that we get across to people, that we get across to people, that there is no place for possession of a knife and that yes, the government will act with tougher sentencing . we've with tougher sentencing. we've got extra police, 20,000 plus now, extra since when? i was elected in 2019. out on the streets . streets. >> gb news understands that tunisian people smugglers have now begun preparing boats to launch into the sea . strong launch into the sea. strong winds in the mediterranean have prevented any crossings from africa to the southern mediterranean for more than a week . more migrant boats are week. more migrant boats are expected to arrive on the italian island of lampedusa tomorrow. as a result, as weather conditions improve this morning , a group of weather conditions improve this morning, a group of human weather conditions improve this morning , a group of human rights morning, a group of human rights lawyers and other officials visited the island to understand the impact of the crisis . as the the impact of the crisis. as the new defence secretary has visited the ukrainian capital, kyiv, for the first time since taking up his post at grant shapps discussed how to bolster

ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy. mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary last month and vowed to keep up britain's support for ukraine. here at home, the labour leader has denied launching an attack on private schools with his plans to impose vat payments on fees if he wins an election. sir keir starmer says he's comfortable with the institutions but wants to ensure state schools are of an equal quality. sir keir says his plan is about the removal of a tax exemption on. he also encouraged private schools not to raise fees due to the additional cost imposed by the policy . it imposed by the policy. it experts are calling on the prime minister to prioritise ai ethics dunng minister to prioritise ai ethics during a safety summit next month . a survey by bcs that's month. a survey by bcs that's the chartered institute for it, found that 88% of tech experts want the uk to lead in setting global ethical standards. the survey also shows that 82%

believe companies should publish ethical policies on al use new laws in northern ireland have been implemented preventing the pubuc been implemented preventing the public from attending trials for serious sexual offences . the law serious sexual offences. the law extends the anonymity for victims until 25 years after their death and provides anonymity for suspects until they're charged . the measures they're charged. the measures aim to protect victims and encourage reporting of sexual crimes. any violations carry penalties of up to six months in pnson penalties of up to six months in prison . film television and prison. film television and stage actor sir michael gambon has died at the age of 82. sir michael, who was best known for playing albus dumbledore in the harry potter movies, won four tv. baftas in a career that spanned five decades. he made his first appearance on stage in 1962, going on to perform with the national theatre and the old vic. his family issued a statement saying, our beloved husband and father, michael,

died peacefully in hospital following a bout of pneumonia . following a bout of pneumonia. and lastly , the uk's famous and lastly, the uk's famous sycamore gap tree has been chopped down in an apparent act of vandalism. the tree at sycamore gap at hadrian's wall in northumberland was made famous in the 1991 film. robin hood.the famous in the 1991 film. robin hood. the national trust says it was shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut down. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in connection with the felling of the tree . us gb news. felling of the tree. us gb news. across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . well of course we start channel. well of course we start with the latest on the government's attempts to tackle well, the migrant crisis arguably in national illegal immigration as well. >> to be honest. but it's reported that suella braverman

has authorised float the has been authorised to float the prospect of leaving the european convention on human rights is ramping up a bit now, isn't it? the home secretary has in the past accused the echr of under mining a democratically elected government by blocking the rwanda plan . last year, the rwanda plan. last year, the supreme court is expected to rule on whether sending migrants to the african country is lawful in november . to the african country is lawful in november. i'm going to get the latest on this before we have a debate on it with our political editor, christopher hope.thank political editor, christopher hope. thank you very much. so, christopher, what does this row centre around them ? because it's centre around them? because it's divided. also divided. the country is also divided. the country is also divided. the country is also divided. the tory as well divided. the tory party as well hasn't going . on hasn't it? what's going. on >> well, the big row is whether the tory party should fight the next election on a policy of withdrawing from the european convention of human rights. this convention enshrined in law in this country, in the 1998 human rights act, is blamed by lots of people on the right for giving rights to rights which they feel all over or go against the

rights of other britons to come here to settle here. they think it's somehow unfair. so it's a question of whether we should be allowed to whether we should be subject to these these rules or make our own rules here. it goes back, really, patrick, to the original debate about brexit. it's almost the second part of the debate. let the the brexit debate. we let the european union and the idea the brexit debate. we let the elt0)ean union and the idea the brexit debate. we let the elto bringinion and the idea the brexit debate. we let the elto bring back and the idea the brexit debate. we let the elto bring back the the idea the brexit debate. we let the elto bring back the rightthe idea the brexit debate. we let the elto bring back the right toe idea is to bring back the right to enshrine laws on our own. not, not, not see a court in strasbourg, as happened with these rwanda flights that rather brave and wants to try and process arrivals from small boats in rwanda . not to have boats in rwanda. not to have that happen over there, but make the rules in the supreme court, make the rules to reshore these rules. that's the idea . the rules. that's the idea. the priti patel was the former home secretary before suella braverman. she came up with the policy on rwanda. and earlier i asked her about this whole policy to pull out of the european convention on human rights. >> so i think it's right that we have this active live discussion. and i voted in parliament basically to do that

. there was a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and i don't think government can take opfions think government can take options the i really options off the table. i really don't. and always thought don't. and i've always thought that of course will with that of course it will come with endless challenges and difficulties by the way, difficulties and by the way, difficulty that might even difficulty is that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. let's speak about this from an immigration perspective. now. you perspective. right now. you know, we can do much more. there's no doubt about that through derogation of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to last to do the work in the last government this. so clearly government on this. so clearly there you know, it's right there is you know, it's right that we look all of this, but that we look at all of this, but what i say, having these what i would say, having these conversations, this side of a general election when we could be 6 to 8 months away from a general election, again, that's not to delivery . not going to lead to delivery. are we going to go? the question is, i'm sure the public will is, and i'm sure the public will be interested in will be interested in this, will we go the general election go to the next general election again in a manifesto for again in with a manifesto for reform the echr, reform or leaving the echr, which conservatives have which the conservatives have done? you know, 2010, i was i see it . i came done? you know, 2010, i was i see it. i came to parliament. it's been done before. so the

question is, they to question is, are they going to do again? will, should do it again? will. will, should they? patel i'm pro i'm they? priti patel i'm pro i'm absolutely pro the changes that we see protect our we need to see to protect our country and to protect the rights of britain and british citizens . and it's right that we citizens. and it's right that we do this in a proper way rather than overpromising and then saying , you know, post a general saying, you know, post a general election as it's happened before, it's too difficult. >> see a point in maybe >> can you see a point in maybe at the the decade when at the end of the decade when the uk is not in the echr? well i say it's part you i would say it's part of, you know, changes know, the reforms and changes britain post—brexit . britain post—brexit. >> crucial thing about that >> the crucial thing about that is, said we would is, is that we said we would reclaim sovereignty , it would reclaim sovereignty, it would be in of laws. in control of our laws. i believe that totally. i believe that. and it's right that we do that. and it's right that we do that. >> so there you have priti patel, the former home secretary, talking to me here in our westminster studios for gb news earlier today. and the point is, she's talking about derogations from the european convention human not convention of human rights, not pull altogether, but pull out of it altogether, but more and changes. more make tweaks and changes. there's there to there's rights in there to a family etcetera which family life and etcetera which which are used by lawyers . many which are used by lawyers. many feel in the right to go against

what is in this country's best interests. there's risk attached to this massive risk because of course we then overseas course we then can't go overseas and talk to other countries about they behave on a about their how they behave on a human rights stage, notably china against the uyghurs and mayor of a bearing on northern ireland process also ireland peace process also within of course within the uk. of course those rights are vital preserving, rights are vital for preserving, for ensuring that people are for ensuring that all people are treated care treated with dignity in care homes. so it's a carefully balanced debate. but for many on the right of the tory party and we're going into this big weekend for party in weekend for the party in manchester, their conference, they gone the wrong way. >> christopher? >> can i ask you, christopher? sorry explain a little sorry just to explain a little bit more on that. the elderly in care homes, what does that mean in terms of with the echr? i've had emails that. had a few emails about that. well the many say that this the 1998 human rights act, which enshrined the echr in legislation, gives rights and means that people have a right to some form of dignity and some form of basic care in care homes. >> that's one example of it. and

that's why people are concerned about any idea of withdrawing from the echr with nothing to replace it . those who want to replace it. those who want to pull out from the echr or change it say, well, can make it would say, well, we can make sure are enshrined sure those rights are enshrined in law and not rely on this in uk law and not rely on this on this . this big treaty which on this. this big treaty which negotiated in 1951 to help enforce it. absolutely. >> thank >> look, christopher, thank you very, stuff . very, very much. great stuff. christopher there gb christopher hope there is gb news from our news political editor from our westminster studios. well we did hear there priti hear a bit there from priti patel, priti patel on the patel, dame priti patel on the echr a few moments ago. there will be lots more from that interview with the former home secretary will be on secretary and that will be on our breakfast show tomorrow morning. sure you tune our breakfast show tomorrow m(in ing. sure you tune our breakfast show tomorrow m(in ing. promises ure you tune our breakfast show tomorrow m(in ing. promises ure be u tune to in that. promises to be a good watch , as always. but yes, good watch, as always. but yes, i promise you to do a debate and we're going to one so we're going to get one now. so the helps draft. the the uk helps a draft. the european on human european convention on human rights years after the end rights a few years after the end of world war and suggestions of world war ii. and suggestions that now leave the that we should now leave the echr have been with quite echr have been met with quite a bit opposition , not least bit of opposition, not least from sizeable number of tory from the sizeable number of tory mps actually. but should we stick to an agreement stick rigidly to an agreement drawn up more than 70 years ago,

the refugees who the convention tried to protect back then are very different to those who crossed the channel in small boats these days. i know a lot of people clearly think that the people the channel in people crossing the channel in small boats these days are not actually refugees actually necessarily refugees at all. joining me to debate all. well, joining me to debate this now is denis macshane, the former labour minister for europe, and stephen woolf , who europe, and stephen woolf, who is director for the centre is the director for the centre of migration economic of migration and economic prosperity. stephen, should we pull out the echr ? pull out the echr? >> well, i've called for it for some time only because whilst there are important rights that are enshrined in the principles of the ideas behind why that was created as legislation , it isn't created as legislation, it isn't something that should not be sort of changed when circumstances change, laws change, new legislation is put in all the time by different countries and the question you have to ask is whether it has actually failed the british government and particular in which circumstances many of us remember the time of when we

were giving prisoners the rights to vote, for example . to vote, for example. >> well, that was a big case and people said the echr should not have intervened in that situation . and again, we're situation. and again, we're seeing it with rwanda . my main seeing it with rwanda. my main point is those rights that we believe that are important to us can enshrined whether it's in can be enshrined whether it's in our own bill of rights or enshrined in own enshrined in our own legislation, moves with legislation, which moves with common law. we don't necessarily need echr anymore . so we can need the echr anymore. so we can have reform and reform means leaving this one this time. >> all right, denis, if it's good japan, america, good enough for japan, america, canada new why should canada, new zealand, why should we be strapped into the echr ? it we be strapped into the echr? it doesn't mean we're going to turn into belarus. >> i hope not. it's not good enough for vladimir putin, which is why he's out of it. and if stephen and pretty really want britain to queue up with vladimir putin be my yeah but i've just. >> right. okay dennis dennis dennis i've literally just made the point we'd also be queuing up biden. justin up with joe biden. justin trudeau the japanese new trudeau, the japanese new zealand . so it's not as simple zealand. so it's not as simple

as that, is it? go on, go on, go on. america did not set on. dennis america did not set it up. >> winston churchill did it was one of his proudest post—war achievements simply because judges before 1939 had refused to allow jews from germany to come into england to the daily mail, ran great campaigns to keep them out. that's the origin of part of the echr. but i served on the council of europe for a number of years. we could go and change it. it's a political process. you find friends, you find allies. and if you want to change it, good luck to you. so that's i think it's daft because the way we solve the migration crisis, for heaven's sake, germany's just closed its frontiers with poland, georgia maloney, the prime minister of italy, just announced that 300,000 undock prevented illegal migrants are going to be incorporated in the labour market. donald trump promised for four years to build that famous wall and still hasn't done it. this idea that there are hurdles in catching solutions to this huge people

movement problem with we. it's just silly. but go work on it as i say, i was, by the way, stephen, the council of europe echr never imposed prisoner votes on britain. it was discussed because it works quite well in friendly countries like switzerland and nonnay . we switzerland and nonnay. we decided not to do it. that's that was our right. okay. >> all right, stephen, you know, look what i suella braverman has come out and said recently is we've got the illegal migration bill a chunk that bill and a large chunk of that is whatever comes is rwanda. and whatever comes after rwanda, whatever after rwanda, okay, whatever deals there, she's deals that we do there, she's pleaded with the international community to change the definition what is. definition of what a refugee is. the international community has said so realistically, is said no. so realistically, is our only hope of getting any flights, rwanda to flights, taking off to rwanda to get out the echr is it the only way to control our borders ? way to control our borders? >> no, it's not the only way to control our borders, but there are number ways we are a number of ways that we have look at changing the have to look at changing the system to impact those people

smugglers . it's very clear and smugglers. it's very clear and there's enough evidence out there's enough evidence out there to say that if you start removing people from the united kingdom, make it more difficult for them to reside here, then people smugglers have to either change their model or they will see their customers disappear . see their customers disappear. we saw examples of that in australia . we know that it's australia. we know that it's worked to an extent in denmark. poland showed a way of using force on the borders with belarus and cells . so this belarus and cells. so this policy is quite important of sending one message. is it the only way of solving the issue? absolutely not. of course, one has to look at the legal issues , and that's why i'm a great believer that we should be amending un refugee amending the un refugee convention at where we convention to look at where we are the eu are today, where the eu commission, world are commission, the world bank, are saying majority saying that the vast majority of those europe are those entering into europe are actually economic migrants. that can't be a message that positive for those who believe in having some form of asylum process . some form of asylum process. >> okay, dennis, what would stop us from just enshrining all of the bits of the echr that we

like and that we want and that we think are good for people's human rights into our own law? and then just removing the bit that allows illegal immigrants to stay here, i assume because just from experience, this law is always being interpreted and reinterpreted , fitted and reinterpreted, fitted and reinterpreted, fitted and reinterpreted, that that's the difficulty. >> what was acceptable at a certain period of time . our certain period of time. our judges last century said 50,000 gay men to prison . those were gay men to prison. those were our honest, upstanding judges. and then they woke up and thought, oh my god, that's not a very british way of behaving. it was for them. we used to thrash children at schools . the echr children at schools. the echr stopped the torture of prisoners in the 1970s because our security guys and army wanted to be tough , tough, tough get be tough, tough, tough get information. we don't torture because of that. so it comes and goes. >> dennis, i'm sorry. i'm going to have to push back on that. right. the reason we don't

torture people is not singularly because of the echr. right? we've moved on. yeah. we're not we don't need we don't need a judge from moldova to tell us you can't go and send that gay man to prison and torture it. >> patrick the it was the echr rule thing that the british government which is a law abiding institution , it always abiding institution, it always obeys international law. we've always obeyed international law for centuries. that's how we trade it. how we had alliances . trade it. how we had alliances. and if we just opt out of it, you know, stephen talked about the polish belarus border, 50 people have been killed there, shot dead by trigger happy , shot dead by trigger happy, which we're not going to do, aren't we? >> but we're not going to do that, are we? dennis this is the thing. why would why is there such a leap us? we'll such a leap between us? we'll leave echr and then we're such a leap between us? we'll leave to echr and then we're such a leap between us? we'll leave to openr and then we're such a leap between us? we'll leave to open up.|d then we're such a leap between us? we'll leave to open up. we're] we're such a leap between us? we'll leave to open up. we're goings such a leap between us? we'll leave to open up. we're going to going to open up. we're going to open fire in the channel. i mean, not patrick mean, we're not patrick i didn't mention example. mention that as a good example. >> my dear old friend >> stephen my dear old friend did. so i'm just trying to say the moment you go down that

road, all it needs is one incident and it goes bonkers. now, all right, we're i, i saw. i saw suella braverman launch her stuff in washington . she's her stuff in washington. she's with an old friend of mine, the ambassador walking around with one of those boots on because she'd broken her. and i thought, what earth is suella doing what on earth is suella doing talking about european human rights in washington, dc ? rights in washington, dc? america hasn't got skin in this game. many american laws are much tougher on protecting individuals than ours are or echr ones are. we know what she's doing campaigning for the leadership after the tories. >> she may well be dennis, but she is also trying to tell the world that the definition of a refugee at the moment would allow 780 million people, most of whom would not actually be genuine refugees , to essentially genuine refugees, to essentially invade the west. that's basically what she was getting at, it ? stephen? stephen, at, isn't it? stephen? stephen, stephen, can i ask ask you stephen, can i ask can i ask you to point? right. to address this point? right. look, it make us would look, we would it make us would it it much more likely that it make it much more likely that we turn into a human we would turn into a human rights cesspit if we left the

echr absolutely not. >> the rule of law and common law in the united kingdom is changed from magna carta , from changed from magna carta, from the levellers and the diggers to the levellers and the diggers to the pentridge martyrs and all the pentridge martyrs and all the way through. and what we would see in the united kingdom is again, bright, bright lawyers, people in parliament, people in the civil service working together to find a system that enables us to, in act legislation that allowed us to have rwanda as a unilateral policy that can work but not be challenged by an organisation, as we saw in this particular case where we had one effective case where we had one effective case officer, lawyer sitting there on a sunday afternoon making that decision without the full court. so i think that's an important factor . would it important factor. would it change us dramatically ? no, it change us dramatically? no, it would hurt those people who feel that we need to have some sort of standing in the world by being part of this. but actually, the most important part would british rights part is would the british rights of be changed so of people be changed so fundamentally we end up fundamentally that we end up like russia? as dennis says, we

wouldn't. of course this is it. >> is it. and dennis, i'm >> this is it. and dennis, i'm just going put just give just going to put just give you a final this. right. a final word on this. right. would you rather. yeah. be in be in outside echr in britain outside of the echr or be in azerbaijan? north macedonia, hungary , montenegro, macedonia, hungary, montenegro, albania ? i could go on moldova , albania? i could go on moldova, liechtenstein , all these places liechtenstein, all these places inside the liechtenstein for all our bankers live . our bankers live. >> liechtenstein is, is a bankers >> liechtenstein is, is a banker's paradise. i was in north macedonia recently on politics. a very nice country. right? but >> and is better. is it? and it's better . it's better. >> but all right. let's give it all up. i mean , stephen talked all up. i mean, stephen talked about britain's standing in the world. does it have much at the moment? but but if we want to reduce it still. no, i mean, that's true. you know , may not that's true. you know, may not like these. >> well, got enough >> well, it's got enough standing world you to standing in the world for you to continue dennis continue to live here. dennis hasn't it? and you've done all right yourself, haven't you? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, yourself, haven't you? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, well|rself, haven't you? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, well ,self, haven't you? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, well , yeah, aven't you? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, well , yeah, you've/ou? hasn't it? and you've done all riquh, well , yeah, you've done uh uh, well, yeah, you've done all right. >> w all right. >> all right. >> steve's done all right. everybody's done all right. i

don't that particular point everybody's done all right. i doibeing that particular point everybody's done all right. i doibeing relevantticular point everybody's done all right. i doibeing relevant now.rr point everybody's done all right. i doibeing relevant now. we)int everybody's done all right. i doibeing relevant now. we just as being relevant now. we just genuinely don't believe that if we walked out of the echr . we walked out of the echr. there's so many other international conventions . if we international conventions. if we want to stop people movement, sending a few dozen people to rwanda, whether arrive and stay for two weeks and start walking home again is just a gimmick , a stunt. >> all right. both of you , we're >> all right. both of you, we're going to have to leave it there . well done, everybody. thank you very much. right. so steven wolf who is the director wolf there, who is the director of centre migration and of the centre for migration and economic denis economic prosperity, and denis macshane is a former labour minister for europe. okay so loads more on this story on our website, gbnews.com. it's the fastest growing national news website in the country. it's got the best analysis, big opinion on all of the latest breaking news. keir starmer, has news. so sir keir starmer, has he another u—turn? he performed another u—turn? labour down a bit on labour has backed down a bit on its pledge to strip private schools of their charitable status . i'll be having a little status. i'll be having a little look at of other labour look at some of the other labour u—turns trust u—turns and asking, can we trust sir keir patrick christys gb

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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . all news is. all >> all right. welcome back. it's 426. you're watching or listening to me? patrick christys on gb news. now in a few minutes, i will discuss the extraordinary news that less than half of training gps end up taking full time jobs in the nhs . i'm asking if that's okay. i don't if we can really don't know if we can really force stay. you force them to stay. but you don't think they should be don't think maybe they should be made back their student

made to pay back their student loan even if they abroad? loan even if they work abroad? but conversation but that's a conversation for a few time. can few minutes time. you can usually when there's going usually tell when there's going to be u—turn. why? to be a labour u—turn. why? because d in the day. because there's a d in the day. and today, sir starmer has and today, sir keir starmer has changed private changed his policy on private schools. government schools. a labour government would them of their would not strip them of their charitable status in 2021. shadow rachel reeves shadow chancellor rachel reeves said private schools are not charities and that changing the law would raise £1.7 billion a yean law would raise £1.7 billion a year. i'm joined now by peter edwards, who's the former editor of labourlist. peter, can keir starmer be trusted with anything? yeah, i think he can. if you look, this policy is popular just over 50% or more of the public support. it and also he's got a continual opinion poll lead. it doesn't mean they're the they're giving out the ministerial jobs, but it means that other prime that after all the other prime ministers had that ministers we've had that there's a trust for keir starmer. >> but similarly i think labour have adjusted their position and it daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has daft for me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, me to have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, butto have adjusted their position and it nothing has changed, but i say nothing has changed, but i think ended up in the think they've ended up in the right is a right place, which is a proportionate tax but had proportionate new tax but had a rethink on the charitable side of it is the problem. >> not that they've adjusted their position a few things

their position on a few things really. free really. it's tuition fees, free movement , really. it's tuition fees, free movement, mail, really. it's tuition fees, free movement , mail, water movement, mail, rail, water nationalisation and potentially the european union, keir starmer and hs2 . there's quite a few and hs2. there's quite a few bits and bobs here where you think, well, he says one thing and he might say the opposite. a few weeks later, well, could few weeks later, well, we could say change their mind >> politicians change their mind on everything and say live in this kind magical universe this kind of magical universe where nothing changes. but where nothing ever changes. but then there's reality. then of course, there's reality. and i gently you, and i gently remind you, david cameron, leader of cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, change the opposition, he didn't change one he changed his one policy. he changed his entire programme from entire economic programme from two thousand and seven, saying, we'll retain labour's spending plans 2008, saying we'll junk plans to 2008, saying we'll junk them . and that's his them entirely. and that's his entire economic prospectus . entire economic prospectus. >> and that's because it was a crisis. yeah, i do understand that. respect, that was that. but with respect, that was then and this is now. and we're looking we're looking at whether or not we're going elect this guy now. going to elect this guy now. right? it's important to know right? so it's important to know whether or he's actually whether or not he's actually going whether or not he's actually goisays. and there's some quite he says. and there's some quite seismic things. you jeremy seismic things. you know, jeremy corbyn was mate and he's not corbyn was his mate and he's not his we've his mate anymore. we've had things, like i've said, their tuition free movement. tuition fees free movement. there's been of a hoo ha

there's been a bit of a hoo ha recently about european union there's been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum ut european union there's been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera pean union there's been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera and| union there's been a bit of a hoo ha receasylum cetera and| uniwwe've and asylum cetera and now we've got to got this when it comes to schools, private schools, as well. a genuine well. is there not a genuine question credibility here question of credibility here with this guy? >> the opinion >> well, i think the opinion polls that he's trusted polls show that he's trusted and he's of he's trust and honestly, most of all. think the public are all. but i think the public are intelligent enough to get the facts change. show on for facts change. show on hs2, for example, are in the example, spades are in the ground. massive ground. there's a massive rethink going on in government right now and all waiting for the outcome. but it's obviously not good for the not looking very good for the champions then some of champions of hs2. then some of the other things tuition the other things like tuition fees, well, when fees, for example. well, when labour talked that fees, for example. well, when labouikeir talked that fees, for example. well, when labouikeir starmer that under keir starmer in a leadership was leadership election, there was no several no covid. now we're several hundred pounds poorer as hundred billion pounds poorer as a so it's that you a nation. so it's right that you rethink things. rethink some of these things. and think, as i'm sure and i do think, as i'm sure you'd accept the next election will fought economy will be fought on the economy and living standards. >> okay. and not a >> okay. and is there not a worry? do you think, some worry? do you think, for some people starmer might people that keir starmer might be saying thing to get be saying one thing to get elected and then his true colours might come out once he is elected and we might see a very different side to him? that friend jeremy corbyn, that friend of jeremy corbyn, that that us that guy who wants to drag us back european back into the european union. >> not. and >> no, absolutely not. and i think people on their

think judge people on their actions. so jeremy corbyn will not, repeat, a labour not, repeat, not be a labour candidate. general election leader that leader has already ruled that out. starmer out. he's been keir starmer has been returning to a been against returning to a customs union free movement, economic union, blah blah blah for several years so we can rely on that. and he was a senior barrister. >> i mean, there's literally talk in the last week of essentially becoming an eu satellite state. >> no, no. i don't accept >> no, no, no. i don't accept that at keir starmer that at all. keir starmer at this policy event in this kind of policy event in montreal as it's montreal or a walkathon as it's called , talked about staying called, talked about staying augned called, talked about staying aligned with europe on some technical , things like technical standards, things like veterinary science . and while veterinary science. and while that's a good point, that's probably a good point, you suspect the next you know, i suspect the next general election is not to going be fought on how closely aligned we on veterinary standards we are on veterinary standards with eu. i cannot tell you how grateful am that pronounce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong that pronounce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly pronounce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly asmounce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as itounce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as it is nce with eu. i cannot tell you how gratefuthong correctly as it is ae wonka thong correctly as it is a rather early. it's a daytime show. >> it's a family show with a family output. so thank you very much for that. yeah, great much for that. peter yeah, great stuff. well, we'll leave that there. thank you very much. peter edwards there, who is the former editor of labourlist, who gave palpitations for gave me heart palpitations for just a second. right. okay. still there's more to come

between 5:00. i'll have between now and 5:00. i'll have a look at this report a look at this alarming report that highlights just how many gps going ask gps are going abroad and ask whether basically whether we are basically training for other training up staff for other countries health services . yes, countries health services. yes, i am aware of the irony here, which is that for years we have pinched staff from other countries services, countries health services, but it's us i'm it's happening to us now and i'm not about okay, so not happy about it. okay, so we'll about or we'll talk about whether or not we'll talk about whether or not we essentially forcing we should essentially be forcing gps britain. can we gps to stay in britain. can we do ? but right now, as your do that? but right now, as your headlines, we've polly middlehurst . patrick thank you. middlehurst. patrick thank you. >> will the top story this hour is that the family of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed to death in south london yesterday have paying to her have been paying tribute to her as police investigation as the police investigation into her continues. elian her murder continues. elian arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school at 8.30 yesterday morning. her family say she was the light of their lives . a 17 year old boy known lives. a 17 year old boy known to elian remains in police custody . film, television and custody. film, television and stage actor sir michael gambon

has died at the age of 82, following a bout of pneumonia. sir michael was best known for playing albus dumbledore in the harry potter films. he won four tv baftas in a career that spanned five decades as and a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage after the famous sycamore gap tree was chopped down in an apparent act of vandalism . the apparent act of vandalism. the tree sits in hadrian's wall in northumbria island and was made famous in the 1991 film robin hood. famous in the 1991 film robin hood . more on all those stories hood. more on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> yeah, this has got a heck of a lot of you going in the inbox now. the taxpayer is paying millions of pounds to train up doctors who never end up working for nhs . a shock report has for the nhs. a shock report has revealed than half of revealed that less than half of trainee end up getting full

trainee gp's end up getting full time jobs with our health service. an increasing number of doctors and nurses are moving to countries like australia now it's easy to see why they offer better pay. they apparently offer better working conditions. the weather is better, you could argue a way of life in argue just a way of life in general be a bit better in general might be a bit better in australia. course, the australia. of course, the inconvenient a of inconvenient truth for a lot of people is that it's a different health care system, isn't it? one that maybe we would not be allowed actually in allowed to actually implement in this a this country, but it opens up a whole host questions, both whole host of questions, both financial moral. really, financial and moral. really, as far which is, far as i'm concerned, which is, is doctors to get a is it okay for doctors to get a student loan training this country, reap the rewards of getting an internationally renowned degree in education and then leave straight away and not have to pay that student loan back and not have to really serve for a set amount of years within our health care service is i just don't know if that's okay, is it? i'm joined now by juua okay, is it? i'm joined now by julia taylor, who is an nhs psychiatric nurse. julia, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. yeah. where are you

on the show. yeah. where are you on this then? do you think it's do you think it's all right for someone get that student loan someone to get that student loan , get education and the , to get the education and the training here and swan off training here and then swan off immediately ? immediately? >> yeah. well, i think patrick, the words in the word loan, the problem is the word loan . problem is the word loan. >> they loaned that money to do their training so they pay for their training so they pay for their own training in. so my take on this is why on earth would you want to stay and work in this country for the pittance that you get compared to the other countries where you can go 7 other countries where you can go ? you'll still have to pay the loan off that you've borrowed the money from to do your training, whether you're a nurse or not, whether you're working australia, canada , wherever australia, canada, wherever they're going. and to be fair, if i was young now and i was doing my training now , i would doing my training now, i would definitely consider going to australia and after i'd qualified just i just want to say, yeah, julia, i appreciate what you said there. >> i spoke to a junior doctor in the last hour who did say me the last hour who did say to me that if you train over

that that if you train over here, so you take that student loan out and then you were to go to australia, you wouldn't have to australia, you wouldn't have to pay that loan back because you're no longer taxpayer here you're no longer a taxpayer here in is the thing. in in britain is the thing. yeah. so that's that's yeah, that to be quite, quite that seems to be quite, quite a big issue. i think , for lot of big issue. i think, for a lot of people. i do you think people. i mean, do you think that should be saying that maybe we should be saying to look, you've to people, look, once you've trained here, should trained over here, you should have or 3 years, five have to do 2 or 3 years, five years, i don't know, actually working here before you can before you leave . before you can leave. >> i would add to that actually , i would say why don't the say to people when you've qualified, if you stay with the nhs for ten years, we will pay your student loan off. yeah. and that way everybody would stay . i don't everybody would stay. i don't honestly think anybody truly wants to go and live abroad and well , i wants to go and live abroad and well, i can't wants to go and live abroad and well , i can't answer for well, i can't answer for everybody. i can think of a lot of reasons why they would in a way. but why would you want to stay here and pay all that money

when you've got a mortgage that young people can't get on the mortgage to get a house because they've no money, nobody's they've got no money, nobody's got any money in this country. i mean, work full time and mean, our work full time and i do get a decent pay because i've worked in the nhs for a long time now and i get my top band pay , time now and i get my top band pay , but that comes with it pay, but that comes with it responsibilities as well . so if responsibilities as well. so if i didn't , can i ask you about that? >> yeah, because that's like that's what a lot of people might think is life that you work hard for a number of years and then you find yourself in a position where you're on decent money, right? and yeah, i can't help but wonder whether or not junior doctors want to be the exception to that . i i don't exception to that. i i don't think so. >> i just think a lot of people who doctors who train in this country aren't actually from this country either. you know, i'm not sure if you're aware of that. i don't know what the statistics are, but a lot of them are from other countries .

them are from other countries. um, and it's spoilt it, you know, as soon as they said that you had to pay for your loan, why can't they just say, look, stay with the nhs and we will then, you know , we'll pay your then, you know, we'll pay your loan off because it's such a lot of money. imagine having £60,000 worth of debt. that's just for nurses. i'm not sure what the doctors loan is. >> and then and then i think you have interest. yeah. and then i think you know, you have interest on top of that and things. know are lot things. i know there are a lot of monthly pay, it's of it's a monthly pay, it's quite of big chunk out of quite a lot of big chunk out of your pay. >> when did my training, um , i >> when i did my training, um, i did 18 months basic training of all all sort of nursing . and all all sort of nursing. and then i did 18 months in my speciality . i got a bursary. speciality. i got a bursary. yeah. it wasn't much, but it was a little bit of a help. and i worked every weekend, friday, saturday and sunday night. and then i used to on monday then i used to go on on monday and managed and i left and i managed and i left university debt. university without debt. >> let me ask look, let me ask you a question then. you know,

you a question then. you know, you obviously incredibly hard working. right? incredibly hard working, incredibly dedicated. your work ethic, i think is beyond question . do you beyond question. do you recognise that in the generations that are coming through now, do you think? because i wonder whether or not thatis because i wonder whether or not that is part of it, okay. whether or not there's a bit of a difference a psychological difference between in people in your position now and people who are who are coming through the ranks ? >> well, i suppose you could say there is. i guess there's different culture now compared to when i was younger . it's very to when i was younger. it's very different . um, but i do know different. um, but i do know that the student nurses that are coming through now, i'm a mentor for some of them and the work incredibly hard and they get annoyed when, when they're not getting the training that they should be getting if they've been a reward that they don't like because they're paying for their training. so in that case, why should they have to stay in work in the nhs? why? i don't. i

personally don't think it's very nice. >> one of the things that i, you know, that i don't quite understand well, i do understand it. i'm just a bit annoyed about it. i'm just a bit annoyed about it really, is that, you know, you could, you could get a loan, a student loan. it's a huge amount of money and you pay interest that yeah. all interest on that and. yeah. all right. it's going to take you potentially of your potentially the rest of your working to back. working life to pay that back. okay. could get that. okay. but you could get that. and out leave and then and then just out leave and then part of me thinks, well, is that not reason why we not part of the reason why we might staffing if might have a staffing crisis? if so many people train in this country? so they're the people that we have earmarked to go and be the staff in our health service for the years to come. but they leave before they ever work properly for us. i mean, it's no wonder that we're short staffed then everyone complains that we're short staffed and they ovennorked i'm they say, i'm ovennorked and i'm underpaid, leave underpaid, so i'm going to leave as well. >> but that's the absolute problem. reason problem. that is the reason behind all of this. it's really difficult working in the nhs now. it's no plain sailing job.

we've got a lot of responsibility. we have lots of things we have to adhere to. we have to be very careful what we say, even though we might not agree with certain things, we can't say certain things and it really feels all tight. and if you go back just 20 years ago, the difference in the amount of people that were staying and working in this country is massive. and you've got to ask yourself the question, why is that happening now? what's caused that ? caused that? >> all right. okay. look, julia, thank you very much . julia thank you very much. julia taylor. there is an nhs psychiatric nurse who's just joined us to have a chat about whether or not it's okay, really, i suppose, for people to train medically in this country . we get that student loan, like i said, go abroad . i i said, and then go go abroad. i just think, no , no, that's my just think, no, no, that's my view. no, i don't really think it is okay. we can't shackle people here, can we? we can't make them stay , i suppose. but make them stay, i suppose. but it does feel a little bit, i

think, unfair doesn't it, the british taxpayer? hey, look, your british taxpayers, presumably most people watching this. let me know what you think, gb views gbnews.com. think, gb views or gbnews.com. sue's been drain. sue's been on brain drain. patrick obvious why is patrick is obvious why is because they don't want to stay here live here. yeah, fair here and live here. yeah, fair enough. okay. and there's a lot of this coming in now, patrick. our government should strike a deal with the likes of australia to garnish the wages of doctors to garnish the wages of doctors to recover loan money. after to recover the loan money. after all, councils and councils could do this. that's from keith . do this. that's from keith. there's a heck of a lot coming in. patrick your in. patrick get your facts right. whole about right. the whole story about training moving abroad training doctors moving abroad is non—starter for is a total non—starter for anyone abroad. whatever anyone moving abroad. whatever we repay the we must continue to repay the student loan . i'm not really student loan. i'm not really sure that's true. john but there we views gbnews.com thank we go. gb views gbnews.com thank you very much, everybody who is been getting in touch. if i told you that an adult had wanted a school to sign a gagging order, you'd be shocked, wouldn't you ? you'd be shocked, wouldn't you? well, when that person turns out to be meghan, well, it's not that much of a surprise, is it?

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it if i told you that an it now? if i told you that an adult had wanted a school to sign a gagging order, well, you'd be shocked, wouldn't you? surely . but when surely that's kids. but when that person turns out to be meghan. well, it's not that much of a surprise, is it? her party reportedly asked a new york school to agree not to make any negative comments about meghan or harry. it came before she read extracts from her to book a class of seven year olds back in 2021. joining me now is royal commentator angela levin. angela, this seems a bit i mean, you know, asking asking kids to have some kind of gagging order. surely not. yes it's ridiculous, isn't it? >> i mean, my view is that people who ask for that either have no confidence in themselves or they really know that they're doing something very wrong . doing something very wrong. othennise, it's ridiculous . and othennise, it's ridiculous. and i think it's very cruel. and actually, if you try to stop children saying anything or i don't like this book and it was a rubbish book, why shouldn't

they be able to say that? surely you know, but the other thing, the whole visit made you shiver because she turned up in a jacket, which i think it was about £5,000, right? you don't go showing off and lots of about £5,000, right? you don't cartier jewellery . it's not about £5,000, right? you don't really done, is it? plus, she asked for blue cushions to be provided and a new blue carpet because she likes that around her. >> that's this is a at a to meet kids at a school. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> this is the thing she wanted them to recarpet the school from what you understand. no, no. >> put a carpet in the room that she's in. okay with the cushions because that's what she liked. so was one of the most so this was one of the most difficult schools in harlem that had no money and that's what she insisted in. obviously, a diva like way that they would actually do that for her, because that's what she was doing. the privilege of hearing her her book, i mean, the book was completely unsuitable for

seven year olds anyway, because it's all about benches. i don't know any child who is interested in benches is aged seven and it was badly written in english. actually, it wasn't good english, okay. >> and so , so you think that >> and so, so you think that this is what it's an example maybe of, of her being a bit a bit of a diva, i suppose from her pr perspective, she would say, well, look, you know, we didn't want we didn't want the gotcha moment of someone walking up to a seven year old and that's seven year old saying, i didn't really like book, didn't really like this book, you i think can you know, well, i think you can learn that, actually. learn from that, actually. >> you can say to the child, it's what you it's okay, tell me what you didn't next time i'll didn't like. and next time i'll try my very best and in what try my very best and put in what you i mean, that's how you you like. i mean, that's how you respond. you don't them respond. you don't stop them saying anything. mean , you saying anything. i mean, you know, is free speech for know, it is free speech for small just is small children, just as it is for older ones. it's a very bad habit to get into that you won't allow people to criticise you, you won't allow people to say they don't like you. i mean, they're not going to likely to do that in in her face, but

they're not allowed to do it anywhere at any time forever. do you think that maybe she's so afraid or harry so afraid because they've taken so much criticism ? criticism? >> so many people, of course, will say it brought a lot of this on themselves, don't get me wrong. but they've taken so much criticism they're so criticism that now they're so hypervigilant that they hypervigilant about it that they think, just got think, oh, well, we've just got to gag everyone. it's all got to be and be completely staged and it's all completely pr all got to be completely pr managed. all got to be completely pr ma buted. talking 2021. >> but we're talking about 2021. i mean , they left. they i mean, they just left. they should have been over the moon. they got they wanted , a big they got what they wanted, a big house. child, another one on house. one child, another one on the way. you know , people were the way. you know, people were listening to them. it was only sometime after they had their interview with oprah winfrey that people started realising what they said wasn't always true. far from it in several things. so they weren't in a state that they are now where they've had a lot more criticism . we're going back a year and to .we're going back a year and to do that, to stop also the children. i mean , shocking and

children. i mean, shocking and the teachers. it's not the way you teach children how to behave that you know, you say you're not allowed to say anything nasty about this person. why not? >> i think as a child, i would have found that incredibly weird. if someone if someone had walked even as a seven year old. i think if someone had walked in and said, here's a lady who let's be honest, you're not going to really know who she is, right? here's a lady now to read you of a book that she's you a bit of a book that she's written, that she's written that is poon written, that she's written that is poor. might notice is very poor. you might notice the that we've laid the new carpet that we've laid out here and the blue cushion this special lady, this this very special lady, this very special lady who's turned up, in in in expensive up, dripping in in in expensive jewellery and all of that stuff. and you're whatever you do, don't say anything bad about this book. i think i would have probably that quite odd. probably found that quite odd. >> i would have >> yeah, but i would have decided didn't like the lady decided i didn't like the lady who said me . decided i didn't like the lady who said me. but decided i didn't like the lady who said me . but i'm not who said that to me. but i'm not allowed to dislike her. you know, think a of children know, i think a lot of children would absolute opposite would take absolute the opposite way that if way of speaking, that if somebody said, you know, you're not to anything

not allowed to say anything about know, not? not allowed to say anything abouiwant know, not? not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. know, not? not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. yeah n, not? not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. yeah or not? not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. yeah or were ot? not allowed to say anything abouiwant to. yeah or were they they want to. yeah or were they very scared? why would you want to something like to frighten them? something like that. >> i do find it. i do find >> yeah, i do find it. i do find it. i do find it bizarre. >> think it is that >> really. i think it is that they've a conscience about >> really. i think it is that they they a conscience about >> really. i think it is that they they are. conscience about >> really. i think it is that they they are. theyience about >> really. i think it is that they they are. they won'tabout >> really. i think it is that they they are. they won't let ut how they are. they won't let anybody it. they've got anybody know it. and they've got to that same to continue on that same platform. but actually, she you know, you want people to like your book. it's a terrible short, terrible book. but even if you want them to like it, you can't, you know, stop stretch their necks so they can't say anything. you have to take the good and the bad. that's what book reviews are all about. these children just giving these children were just giving their as a book review their response as a book review . yeah. >> i mean, you've written you've written ever written books. would you ever have children to not be have gagged children to not be able to criticise it? i wouldn't gouge anyone. >> if somebody says something gouge anyone. >> if not ebody says something gouge anyone. >> if not veryy says something gouge anyone. >> if not very nice's something gouge anyone. >> if not very nice's somwit, ing that's not very nice about it, you have to swallow you have you have to swallow it. you have to they're just being to see if they're just being spiteful , if they're actually spiteful, if they're actually right and try and do better next time. you can't stop people what they they feel. but i think it's a very, very bad example for

children. >> i thought that harry potentially now is on a little bit of a high because he's had the invictus games and it seems to go quite well for him. you're shaking your head. go on. >> yeah, i'm shaking my head because i think he puts on that show. you saw him show. no, but if you saw him when went to another thing when they went to another thing , i can't quite remember what the name it was, but he was the name of it was, but he was terribly worried about meghan and he was asked to hold a mic and he was asked to hold a mic and he was asked to hold a mic and he didn't want to, so he tried to give it her, tried tried to give it to her, tried to give him, you to say, give it to him, you know, to the man to pass on to meghan. and laughed him. know, to the man to pass on to meg he|. and laughed him. know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldn't laughed him. know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldn't he|ghed him. know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldn't he did d him. know, to the man to pass on to meg he wouldn't he did it him. and he wouldn't he did it himself, speaking about some charity. yeah and he looks terrible . i mean, what he's terrible. i mean, what he's doing is exactly what the pr would want . i doing is exactly what the pr would want. i assume, meghan, to be super happy. everything's lovely. i've changed. i'm not looking back at the past. i'm now going for the future. i'm going to do wonderful things in the future. and of course harry and i are absolutely lovey dovey, but harry is desperately trying or he's just being told

what to do and he's doing it because he obeys her. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, you seem you seem actually angela quite , quite actually angela quite, quite worried about harry. >> i am worried about harry. yes ispend >> i am worried about harry. yes i spend if you spend 15 months with somebody, you get to know them quite well. and if you know how complicated and difficult life can be for them, you feel very sorry for them. and i was thrilled when he found somebody who would take all the spotlight and who he could be happy with and who he could be happy with and that he would settle down. i mean , william had been lucky. mean, william had been lucky. he's found catherine anne at university. but harry had loads of girls on the trot all the time. >> he found it very difficult, a nightmare for him to be. >> well, i'll tell you what. what a hard life that is. you know what he wanted to settle? some guys have no luck. do they? >> you know, he wanted to settle down. to settle down. down. he wanted to settle down. he wanted to have children. very good children. and now good with children. and now things difficult . things are difficult. >> all right, angela, always an absolute pleasure to see you

looking so lovely as well. angela levin there always a bit of there you go. right of sparkle. there you go. right okay. so matters are a bit more serious now, i suppose. well, the braverman has apparently been authorised to float this idea the echr. why do idea of leaving the echr. why do so people say that it's so many people say that it's such ? would it such a bad thing? would it turned us into belarus or are we just than that? patrick just better than that? patrick christys gb news britain's news channel. oh yes. and also keep your emails coming thick and your emails coming in thick and fast. gb views and gbnews.com. i love to hear from you. i'll go to the inbox see you to the inbox shortly. see you later . later. >> good afternoon. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news going to turn quite wet overnight. some of that likely to be heavy in that rain likely to be heavy in places at for while places and at least for a while it'll get pretty blustery too. all to low pressure storm all thanks to low pressure storm agnes cleared away to agnes has cleared away to the north, more north, but there's a couple more heading from the west. not heading in from the west. not quite as potent, but still going to bring us a wet and windy spell, of spell, particularly for parts of south we do have a south wales where we do have a met office. yellow warning in place rain, but place for the heavy rain, but most will see spell

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headunes better in? but right now is your headlines with polly middlehurst i >> patrick thank you. will the top story this afternoon is that the family of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed in south london yesterday have been paying tribute to her as the police investigation into her murder continues. ltn arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school in croydon . in way to school in croydon. in a statement, her family said our hearts are broken by the senseless death of our daughter, ellie. anne was the light of our lives. a 17 year old boy who police say knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested yesterday morning . arrested yesterday morning. roads and local transport minister richard holden told gb news what's being done to tackle knife crime. new legislation has been brought in sentences are being strengthened, which is vitally important as well . vitally important as well. >> but overall i think this is about us as a society , really about us as a society, really ensuring that we get across to people that there is no place

for possession of a knife and that, yes, the government will act with tougher sentencing . act with tougher sentencing. we've got extra police, 20,000 plus now, extra since when? i was elected in 2019. out on the streets . streets. >> gb news understands that tunisian people smugglers have now begun preparing boats to launch into the sea for tomorrow. strong winds in the mediterranean have prevented any crossings for more than a week , crossings for more than a week, but more migrant boats are expected to arrive on the italian island of lampedusa, asa, tomorrow as weather conditions improve. this morning, a group of human rights lawyers and other officials visited the island to understand the impact of the crisis. there the new defence secretary has visited the ukrainian capital, kyiv for the first time since taking up his post at grant shapps discussed how to bolster ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary just last month and

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age of 82. sir michael , who was age of 82. sir michael, who was best known for playing albus dumbledore in the harry potter films, won four tv baftas in a career that spanned five decades, he made his first appearance on stage in 1962, going on to perform with the national theatre and the old vic . his family issued a statement saying , our beloved husband and saying, our beloved husband and father, mike, died peacefully in hospital following a bout of pneumonia . the uk's famous pneumonia. the uk's famous sycamore gap tree has been chopped down in an apparent act of vandalism . the tree at of vandalism. the tree at sycamore gap at hadrian's wall in northumberland was made famous in the 1991 film. robin hood.the famous in the 1991 film. robin hood. the national trust says it's shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut down. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in connection with the felling of the tree at the royal mint has introduced a £0.50 coin

celebrating cs lewis's book the lion. the witch and the wardrobe as part of its children's literature series, the coin features an illustration of mr tumnus and lucy in the snowy woods of narnia to create the coin designers digitally translated pauline baynes original illustration onto it, preserving every detail they could. other coins in the series also incorporate colour printing techniques this year with gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> well, come along. there is an almighty row brewing about the echr that argument seems to centre around two key things. firstly perception on the world stage . secondly, sovereignty stage. secondly, sovereignty over border control. now in terms of how it would look on the world stage, if we pulled

out of the echr i'm a little bit sick of british citizens having to pay the price for how the elites think we should look to their elite mates around the world. that is a luxury ambition for people who can afford looks , worries which many ordinary brits simply cannot afford . brits simply cannot afford. people say that if we pulled out of the echr then we'd be like russia or belarus. i mean, that's just not true, is it? but by logic, we'd also be like by that logic, we'd also be like anybody else who isn't in the echr canada, new echr like america, canada, new zealand, japan . i'd rather zealand, japan. i'd rather be like countries than like those countries than bosnia, north bosnia, lithuania or north macedonia who are in the echr in belarus . or a couple of years belarus. or a couple of years ago there was a political uprising in 27,000 people were detained , thousands were detained, thousands were tortured, shot , beaten detained, thousands were tortured, shot, beaten and killed. in belarus , the security killed. in belarus, the security services are apparently still known as the kgb. over here, people can get away with tearing down a statue of someone that they don't like and chucking it into the sea and our police force are at pains not to accidentally misgender someone. that's a big difference, isn't it ? element of how we're

it? the element of how we're perceived on the world stage that i really care about is how clearly millions of people from africa in the middle east think that we're a meal ticket and a complete free ride are standing on the world stage. clearly is that we are a soft touch when it comes to sovereignty over our own borders. though i feel like the vast majority of brits are not entirely comfortable with somebody from luxembourg , somebody from luxembourg, liechtenstein, monaco moldova liechtenstein, monaco or moldova being able to tell us who we can and cannot deport. that just doesn't sit well me. and cannot deport. that just d(doesn'tt well me. and cannot deport. that just d(doesn'tt right. me. and cannot deport. that just d(doesn'tt right. put me. and cannot deport. that just d(doesn'tt right. put itne. it doesn't feel right. put it this if there was a vote on this way if there was a vote on the table today that asked british citizens if they wanted foreign judges to be able to dictate who we could and could not keep in britain, i don't think we'd vote for that, would we? so should we now be given the choice to vote to leave it? i feel sorry for i actually do feel sorry for suella and rishi sunak suella braverman and rishi sunak snack. money the snack. we've given money to the french a bit more in french to do a bit more in the channel. taken genuine channel. we've taken in genuine asylum and from asylum seekers and refugees from ukraine afghanistan, as well ukraine and afghanistan, as well as we've gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle we've gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over we've gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over theie've gone ukraine and afghanistan, as well as battle over the illegal ne into battle over the illegal migration bill. they've sorted

out kind of a rwanda plan suella stood up on the world stage and said that the world needs to change definition of a change its definition of a refugee. frankly in order to save the world from falling into total chaos and disrepair. but the didn't really want to the world didn't really want to know. so what's the only option now is it not to leave the echr and have more control? the world isn't going to help us. clearly so isn't it time for us to just help ourselves as . yeah, that's help ourselves as. yeah, that's what i think. i want to hear from you. gb views gbnews.com. now dame priti patel has been talking to gb news political editor christopher hope about this very topic. editor christopher hope about this very topic . take it away . this very topic. take it away. >> to pull out of the european convention on human rights. >> so i think it's right that we have active live discussion have this active live discussion and i voted in parliament basically to do that . there was basically to do that. there was a ten minute rule bill in parliament and i don't think government can options off government can take options off the really don't. and

the table. i really don't. and i've always thought that of course it'll with endless course it'll come with endless challenges difficulties and challenges and difficulties and by difficulties that by the way, difficulties that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill. let's speak about this from an immigration perspective . right now, you know, we can do much more. there's no doubt about through derogations about that. through derogations of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to do the work in the last government on this. so, okay, there we go. >> so we heard dame priti patel calling for us to leave the echr a few minutes ago and there will be lots more from christopher hope's interview with the former home secretary in breakfast tomorrow. but okay, there's lots of opposition to the idea of the uk leaving the echr and many of the critics are actually tory mps. point the mps. they often point to the fact the only european fact that the only european nafions fact that the only european nations who are not part of the echr are and belarus. but echr are russia and belarus. but why would britain really turn into belarus overnight if we quit? i'm joined now by human rights campaigner ayesha ali khan.thank

rights campaigner ayesha ali khan. thank you very much. any moment now. there we go . good moment now. there we go. good stuff. okay. so if we pulled out of the echr, do you think that's really a concern for human rights in britain? genuinely i think it is. >> it sounds such a terrible message out there that we don't really respect human rights . i really respect human rights. i mean, this is something that if you look into the history of how we ended up in this position with the echr, we were one of the first nations to actually ratify the treaty before it became actual law in 1953. >> so 1951, sorry . so i think it >> so 1951, sorry. so i think it would just send such a terrible message if you were to leave. and also, let's just you know, you've mentioned russia just now, not being a member of the convention, but we had to expel russia following its invasion of ukraine. and if we then decide actually, you know, we don't want to be part of this body, see you later. bye. it just see you later. bye. itjust sends such a terrible message. the optics are terrible. and i do think that we should definitely is.

>> is it like we respect? is it is it is it in reality that bad or would people just say it is and clutch some pearls and make and clutch some pearls and make a thing out of it? you know, the reason why we'd be leaving it presumably be so that we presumably would be so that we can and fly people off to can try and fly people off to rwanda . i mean, i don't think rwanda. i mean, i don't think that's the of the world, is that's the end of the world, is it ? it? >> well , if you actually think >> well, if you actually think about it, we've got the human rights act in place as well, which actually safeguards a lot of the sort of legal aspects of the echr rulings. >> but the problem is then , like >> but the problem is then, like you've just mentioned, the rwandan issue, we'd have to then water down the human rights act as well in order to allow these deportations to take place. and that's the danger here. so where do we stop? at what point do we say, okay, that's enough now we're not going to water down or we're not going to water down or we're not going to water down or we're not to remove any we're not going to remove any more our these human more of our of these human rights that always had rights that we've always had in place nearly 70 place for 60 years, nearly 70 years now. so where does it stop? and also , i remember stop? and also, i remember

distinctly , i'm in my 40s now, distinctly, i'm in my 40s now, but when we were getting ready to invade afghanistan, when we were getting ready with the iraq war, the biggest, um, war, one of the biggest, um, sort of flags that everybody was waving at the time was, oh, well, we're going into to protect human rights abuses , to protect human rights abuses, to fight against human rights abuses. we're going to go in to protect the rights of women and so on. where would we how on earth can we then argue that we are champions of human rights if we. >> i mean, yeah, but we i don't personally, i just do not realistically think that being a member of the echr is the only reason why we would be able to go and tell the world that we are pro human rights. i mean, america aren't members of it. canada isn't , new zealand isn't, canada isn't, new zealand isn't, japan isn't . canada isn't, new zealand isn't, japan isn't. i mean, do they lose all all ability to go and tell the world about the human rights ? rights? >> i think the danger is when you have been part of an organisation for so long and you

know you've and it has helped massively. being being a member has helped people like, you know, elderly people . there was know, elderly people. there was a there was a case where a couple had been separated and they used the echr to fight for they used the echr to fight for the human rights and they were reunited . and there have been reunited. and there have been other issues as well in terms of protecting press freedoms as well. journalist who have been targeted unfairly by the police . they were able to sue and actually basically find the courts found in their favour. actually basically find the courts found in their favour . so courts found in their favour. so yeah, i think i think like the optics are not good and that's why, i mean, as i said to your producer earlier on, if we had a robust system in place, if we actually had something that was equivalent in place in the uk, and then we thought , right, and then we thought, right, okay, we're leaving, but we've got this in place to safeguard our human rights and so on, then i'd actually be okay. well, at least there is something that's equivalent i don't equivalent in place, but i don't think do. i think when think we do. i think that when the human rights act so the

equivalent have been presented , equivalent have been presented, i don't think they go far enough . so i don't think, you know , . so i don't think, you know, it's a good idea to leave at this stage. you want to do it right. >> so if you wanted to do something in your in your own home, right, like naturally you as a, as well meaning good as a, as a well meaning good person intent person with no evil intent whatsoever decided that you wanted . maybe it wanted to do something. maybe it was i don't know, was to do with, i don't know, the way that you went about raising own child or raising your own child or something, right? would you voluntarily say, well, i want somebody from luxembourg or liechtenstein or monaco or moldova to have the final say as to whether or not i could do what i wanted to do in own what i wanted to do in my own home. i imagine would say no home. i imagine you would say no to you? to that, wouldn't you? >> well, it depends on what i mean. my son's nearly 20 now. i i imagine everybody wanting to raise their children would want their children to be safe, looked after . emotional mental looked after. emotional mental health, cared for, catered for , health, cared for, catered for, all these issues. you know , in all these issues. you know, in place. safeguard, safeguard in schools, safeguards when they go

to hospital , safeguards when to hospital, safeguards when they're walking along . they're walking along. >> oh, okay. we've lost aisha there, ashraf ali khan. look, i'm going to delve into the inbox, vaiews@gbnews.com. inbox, okay? vaiews@gbnews.com. lots reaction to this because lots of reaction to this because we've been covering it quite a long now. do you think long time now. do you think actually out the actually that getting out the echr really is our only option now? i get it. i do now? hey, i get it. i do completely get the argument for maybe it be an open goal maybe it would be an open goal for people to criticise us on the world stage. however, when it comes to that argument about, well, how could possibly well, how could we possibly lecture china on human rights if we're out of echr ? i mean, we're out of the echr? i mean, if china does have essentially death camps for uyghur muslims , death camps for uyghur muslims, you the right you haven't really got the right to of political to freedom of political expression anything like that expression or anything like that . we can still . then of course we can still lecture it. mean, the lecture china on it. i mean, the point that whether or not point is that whether or not we're the china still we're in the echr, china still won't listen. so it arguably doesn't matter where, oh, russia. say, russia. they're going to say, well, not in the echr well, you're not in the echr well, but not well, yeah, but we're not russia, we're overtly russia, are we? we're overtly better the argument better than that. the argument again well, churchill took again of, well, churchill took us into it. okay, fine. now i obviously think, like i imagine most people watching or

listening to this, that winston churchill a national hero, churchill was a national hero, is hero . but don't churchill was a national hero, is every hero . but don't churchill was a national hero, is every single but don't churchill was a national hero, is every single aspect don't churchill was a national hero, is every single aspect of on't adopt every single aspect of things that churchill thought was right. do we? you know, there were a variety of different churchill different issues that churchill and that churchill had and views that churchill had that man time. that made him a man of his time. well, we don't that well, we don't think that everything be everything that he did would be appropriate in today's modern world so does the world and climate. so does the same thing apply when it comes to the echr? but i would argue for me, there is just that moral idea of that sense of idea of it, that sense of sovereignty , that, should sovereignty, that, hey, should we really be dictated to by foreign judges about what we can and do ? and if we pulled and cannot do? and if we pulled out it, would we immediately out of it, would we immediately turn into a human rights cesspit? i personally don't think . yes, would to think so. yes, it would have to be protections. there yes, be some protections. there yes, of course there would have to be some kind of law as a backstop. pauune some kind of law as a backstop. pauline . is there pauline says. is there a petition to sign to come out of the echr? quite possibly , the echr? quite possibly, pauline, yes. you could make your i think the uk your voice heard. i think the uk needs to of echr needs to get out of the echr now, this needs now, says janice. this needs drastic reform. treaty is drastic reform. this treaty is 70 years it's outdated. 70 years old. it's outdated. it's for purpose out ,

it's not fit for purpose out, out, out. that appears to be quite a strong view. it's a popular view here. echr course, we should leave the echr, says bob. if we allow ourselves to be controlled by them, i'm assuming he means overseas nationals. there i would consider it a violation of our human rights. i do wonder whether or not many people thought that when we voted to leave the european union that we would stop having to listen to what people, foreign judges thought about our particular laws as well. i do wonder if that's something that people thought would happen. of course you would have been mistaken in that view, aiden says leaving is sending a bad message, it's not the point message, but it's not the point . the point is taking back ownership of our future here. there are elements that could be changed revised, many changed or revised, but many that and that can be adopted and strengthened as well. look, clearly strengthened as well. look, cleatrying do when stood was trying to do when she stood up washington a couple of up in washington a couple of days ago and that speech on days ago and gave that speech on the refugee status on asylum

seekers, on illegal migration and on legal migration, was to say world that, look, say to the world that, look, we're trying to bit here. we're trying to do our bit here. we're trying to preserve culture, we're trying to preserve our of all preserve our way of life. all of that jazz. preserve our way of life. all of thatjazz. here's amount of that jazz. here's the amount of people end up coming people who could end up coming to countries. is that to western countries. is that sustainable? i don't think it is. frankly , we need to do is. and frankly, we need to do something about it. would you be willing to change the definition of what a refugee is to which essentially the un said no, in which case in which case is our only option try to protect only option to try to protect ourselves and protect our borders. keep these emails coming in gb views gbnews.com loads of them coming in right now, but you get loads more now, but you can get loads more on this story on our website gbnews.com. it's the fastest gb news.com. it's the fastest growing national news site in the country. the best analysis big opinion and the latest breaking news, but moving on, a convicted murderer has

is the people's channel. >> britain's news channel . >> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> welcome back. it is 522. you're watching or listening to me, patrick christie's on gb news now. in a few moments, we will discuss gps training in this country. but then moving abroad. course, costing abroad. it, of course, costing taxpayers millions pounds taxpayers millions of pounds every this right? every year. is this right? should we have a time frame on the amount of time they have to spend training? spend in the uk post training? could enforce but could you even enforce that? but there are growing fears that our pnsons there are growing fears that our prisons becoming breeding prisons are becoming a breeding ground for islamist terrorists and convicted murderer has and a convicted murderer has admitted islamic admitted distributing islamic state propaganda to fellow prisoners . as danny da silva

prisoners. as danny da silva used mobile phones that were smuggled into prison by his sister , rahima da silva. so i'm sister, rahima da silva. so i'm joined now by major general chip chapman , who is the former head chapman, who is the former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence. chip, thank you very much. great to have you on what's the of on the show. what's the state of play on the show. what's the state of play our prisons are they play in our prisons and are they jihadi grounds not necessarily. >> now, of course, there's no such thing as a closed ecosystem with a prison. things get in and things get out. as saw with things get out. as we saw with daniel khalife . daniel khalife. >> so it be somewhere where >> so it can be somewhere where people proselytise and are converted. and we saw that because one of the terrorist attacks from the baseline of march 17th happened in january 2020 in a prison hmp whitemoor when a chap called baz hopton was one of the two protagonists trying to behead someone and he was both groomed and converted. >> so of course the prison population has both people who identify as prison christians , identify as prison christians, muslims and no religion . muslims and no religion. >> and all those can be kind of converted. and also it can be

seen going to prison as existential, and it's a survival strategy for some people to be an in—group. >> but on the other side, we have to be careful because pnson have to be careful because prison is also a setting where it is a dominant setting for both disengagement and de—radicalization. and this particular case is an interesting one because it happened before new legislation in 2022. and of course , the in 2022. and of course, the antagonist in this case, danny da silva, has been moved to one of these close supervision centres , which wasn't on the centres, which wasn't on the books when the offences took place because the phones were smuggled in between sort of july smuggled in between sort ofjuly 2020 and january 21st. okay >> should jihadis , people who've >> should jihadis, people who've actually been convicted for terror offences , who are now terror offences, who are now imprisoned, should they be kept in solitary? should they be kept in solitary? should they be kept in isolation? should they be kept in their own jihadi prisons or not? right. >> well, a number of them are. that's exactly what has happened with these close supervision centres where there are three of

them the country. them now in the country. >> indeed, where >> and indeed, that's where danny is gone. he's danny da silva is gone. he's gone to um, to hmp frankland in county durham. >> so he won't be able to proselytise and all those who are identified as having the most risk to other people are sent to those sorts of environments . environments. >> now, we have to be careful on this because as 33% of those who are sent to prison for jihadi offences are only sentenced to 1 to 4 years, and you might say, well, they're not very bad terrorists, but often those are proxy offences . proxy offences. >> those people are charged because , you know, there's an because, you know, there's an early intervention by the police . you can't get them for sort of serious plotting and that's exactly saw , for exactly what we saw, for example, with the stretton case that when the guy was let out of pnson that when the guy was let out of prison and then went to do a prison and then went on to do a stabbing attack and was lawfully shot police, shot by the by the police, i suppose way of looking suppose another way of looking at this is what's de—radicalization prisons. >> so does it work? can it ever work ? i mean, i can think of at work? i mean, i can think of at least one very high profile example of where it hasn't

worked. in fact, the 2—2 of worked. and in fact, the 2—2 of the young people the people, young people who were with to were tasked with helping to de—radicalize somebody out of the their heart the goodness of their own heart ended up getting stabbed to death of course. >> yeah, of course. >> yeah, of course. >> we're talking about >> yeah, of course. >> fish we're talking about >> yeah, of course. >> fish fishmongersj about >> yeah, of course. >> fish fishmongers hall about >> yeah, of course. >> fish fishmongers hall inrbout the fish fishmongers hall in 2019. there are certain people who are ideologically bullet—proof. so the disengagement de—radicalization programs , which can also include programs, which can also include a thing called healthy identity into tensions, can work in some people, but of course, like all things because it's a human activity, there are other people who can gain the system and that's the difficulty of knowing when people are being, you know, absolute deconverted, as it were , from not from necessarily what we would consider to be bad views . but, you know, you don't views. but, you know, you don't want them to do bad behaviour. so that is go and attack people and kill people. so people are ideologically bullet—proof and that's the difficulty with human behaviour difficult behaviour. it's very difficult using ai behaviour. it's very difficult using al or machine learning and all those great things about big data to predict criminal recidiva ism and terrorist

recidivism . recidivism. >> but there are you know, there are gangs in prison. of course are. and from my understanding , are. and from my understanding, one of the more prominent ones now in the increasingly prominent one is islamist gangs. right. are there people right. and so are there people in there who are being forced to convert and, you know, take part in whatever kind of radical ideology that might be going on behind closed doors? i mean, is that not something is there any way us to get involved with way for us to get involved with that? i mean, how dangerous how dangerous for society? dangerous is that for society? because some point these because at some point these people are going to leave prison i >> e- e— >> yeah, well, of course it's dangerous because, said, dangerous because, as i said, this be survival strategy this can be a survival strategy in prison for certain people, you know, be part of an in you know, to be part of an in crowd to make sure that your stay is more amenable stay in prison is more amenable from perspective. um from your own perspective. um you know, you never know. that's that's the problem. and why often we have to surveil people after they come out of prison, even though they might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh they might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 might been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to ght been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to 4|t been after they come out of prison, ev thereyugh thej1 to 4 years been in there for only 1 to 4 years as again happened in the stretham case, because we knew he was still a threat, but he'd

done his term. that's the way that the law and justice is deemed to work. you can't just lock door and throw away the lock the door and throw away the key only rare cases, key. only in very rare cases, like, for example , one of the like, for example, one of the lee rigby killers . so, you know, lee rigby killers. so, you know, that's the things work. and that's the way things work. and it be if didn't, it would be wrong if it didn't, because that's the way common law . over law is developed. over a thousand the uk . thousand years in the uk. >> soft, do you >> are we too soft, do you think? think that people think? do you think that people who radical just who are radical islamists just don't and just see don't fear prison and just see it as a recruiting ground? do you that they that they you think that they that they don't really care? because i suppose serving suppose for them they're serving a higher power, aren't they? they really acknowledge they don't really acknowledge british don't british law. they don't acknowledge our acknowledge the norms of our society . so does it bother them ? >> no, it wouldn't bother a number of them. and of course, jihadi jihadism is all about that, you know, rejection of democracy and the rules of law and only allah is the sole god giver. and so it wouldn't work . giver. and so it wouldn't work. it wouldn't bother them. but in terms legislative, terms of legislative, legislative , since those legislative stuff, since those attacks that you mentioned, really between 2017 and 2020, a lot of the law has changed. so,

for example, there's no early parole. so people now will serve the sentence that is deemed to be. oh, that's interesting. >> chip. talk to me about that. so, okay, so i wasn't aware of that. on. so if you're that. so go on. so, so if you're sentenced a terror offence, that. so go on. so, so if you're senten(no a terror offence, that. so go on. so, so if you're senten(no early terror offence, that. so go on. so, so if you're senten(no early parole, ffence, that. so go on. so, so if you're senten(no early parole, is nce, that. so go on. so, so if you're senten(no early parole, is that there's no early parole, is that right? >> have to be >> that doesn't have to be anymore and that an anymore. and again, that was an outcome fishmongers outcome of the fishmongers fishmongers attack because fishmongers hall attack because , of course, of those , of course, one of those attackers was was out early, halfway through his sentence . halfway through his sentence. >> well, that is interesting. i suppose that's a step in the right direction. anyway, it's worth noting as well, chip, i must say, the one thing that always gets me is a lot of the authorities , m15, will come out authorities, m15, will come out and go, right. the fastest and go, right. look, the fastest growing at the moment growing threat at the moment is far right. far yeah far right. it's far right. yeah okay. obviously it is . okay. i mean, obviously it is. no. any kind of ideology along those lines is, of course, a threat starting from a much lower base, though, isn't it? and i ovennhelmingly the and i think ovennhelmingly the biggest is islamist biggest threat is islamist terror. right saying terror. am i right in saying that? >> yeah, you would be right in terms of both investigations and those prison. let me be those in prison. so let me be clear on what the real figures

are here, though. so the number of prisoners in prison of terrorist prisoners in prison at the moment is 234, of which 152 are islamists. yes, that is 65% islamist, 27% right wing. and 8% other. and what is interesting about the other 8% is a growing number. the other thatis is a growing number. the other that is so for example, we've seen example of eco terrorism . seen example of eco terrorism. we've seen the conspiracy theory guy convicted for terrorism. and so those are the sort of also areas which are growing. >> well, i is fascinating, chip, you're a font of knowledge. thank you very, very much. as chip chapman there, of course, who is doing some stellar work, former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry defence. at the ministry of defence. there's wonder he knows this there's no wonder he knows this stuff, there's loads stuff, is it? now, there's loads more between now more still to come. between now and 6 pm. we'll have a look at the report that the alarming report that highlights just how many gps are going i'm asking going abroad now i'm asking whether are basically whether or not we are basically training other training up staff for other countries health services , countries health services, whether okay. we've been whether that's okay. we've been doing the world for doing it to the world for a number of years now, haven't we?

so our turn? what can so is it just our turn? what can be this? there any be done about this? is there any way we can i suppose , force way that we can i suppose, force gps and doctors to stay in this country once they've trained for a number of years? i don't know if really allowed, is it? if that's really allowed, is it? but now it's your headlines with polly . patrick polly middlehurst. patrick >> let's bring you some breaking for news the beginning of this headune for news the beginning of this headline sequence. several people have been killed following shootings in rotterdam in the netherlands. police are saying a gunman opened fire in a flat and then a medical centre as well in the dutch city. they also said fires had broken out at both locations. a 32 year old has been arrested . but that is has been arrested. but that is all the detail we have on this at the moment. several people dead following shootings in rotterdam in the netherlands. more as we get it. also in the news today, the family of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed to death in south london yesterday have been paying tribute to her as investigation into as the police investigation into her continues. ltn arade

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is the moment as to is raging at the moment as to whether they really do whether or not they really do have to pay back things like student loans. people are supposed to, but a question supposed to, but it's a question of enforcement. so is the taxpayer out here? what's taxpayer losing out here? what's going on? >> the taxpayer is absolutely losing out here. but this isn't just the case for doctors and nurses or for gp's. this is the case for effectively every single student in the country . single student in the country. unfortunately, as a result of a lot of those sort of mickey mouse does mean that mouse degrees, it does mean that the footing the bill the taxpayer is footing the bill for many of those people that don't up earning over the don't end up earning over the £27,000 threshold. but back to gp's, report does show that gp's, this report does show that effectively there are huge amounts of people that are getting trained in this country and remember we have got a huge amount of we've got a cap on the amount of we've got a cap on the amount medical in this amount of medical places in this country . so mean there's already country. so mean there's already a shortage . and then that a shortage. and then that then means those people end means a lot of those people end up now, you could up leaving. now, you could hardly blame them. working conditions in the nhs are pretty dire , but there are more than dire, but there are more than 7.6 million people on waiting lists every single time we hear

the new figure, it's even higher . government have absolutely . the government have absolutely failed the nhs and to failed to reform the nhs and to solve that. but ultimately the solution is to get those people into contracts that mean that they have stay here. they have to stay here. >> okay, so at the moment we have a cap on the amount, which i think is ridiculous. why on earth have we cap on the earth have we got a cap on the amount of people can amount of people that we can train medical train to do medical professionals but professionals in our nhs? but we'll park that we've got we'll park that there. we've got a cap on that and then those a cap on that and then of those people, increasing number of people, an increasing number of those people are leaving at the first opportunity. so we are overtly training up people now for other people's health services , aren't they? this is services, aren't they? this is what the rest of the world must have felt like for years . have felt like for years. >> ultimately what this is >> well, ultimately what this is doing is that we've got a cap on the number of places. so it means we're already means that we're already restricting the number people means that we're already restrare|g the number people means that we're already restrare|g the trained�* people means that we're already restrare|g the trained in people means that we're already restrare|g the trained in this ple that are being trained in this country. also know country. but we also know a lot of those public we're of those public sector. we're thinking about public sector pay- thinking about public sector pay. think about it pay. we've got to think about it in relation to public spending. and, you know, we're already spending and, you know, we're already sp(the ng and, you know, we're already sp(the nhs on fortunately,

on the nhs on fortunately, because nhs workers and for that matter every public sector worker, their pay is not decided by supply and demand in the market. it which effectively means the government decide how much worth. of much they're worth. now of course, know, doctors and course, as we know, doctors and nurses country paid nurses in this country are paid significantly less when compared to other , more free market to other, more free market health systems . the health care systems. the solution is therefore to either allow those individuals to get into contracts as their student loans are being repaid or actually let them go. >> well , let them go or shackle >> well, let them go or shackle them here and say to them , you them here and say to them, you can you can only get a student loan for your medical training if you stay in this country for five years after you've completed it . completed it. >> that's definitely a feasible system . but ultimately, the system. but ultimately, the problem with this with this country in the way that our student loan system works is that there's no fiscal connection between students and the university . it's done the university. it's all done through government through the government effectively, through effectively, again, done through the so means the taxpayer. so it means that when go university and when i go to university and i get my loan, i have no financial

connection no accountability connection and no accountability with the university. so i can just up and leave and effectively , you know, be able effectively, you know, be able to pay that back. >> can you. >> can you. >> right. can you clarify something me here? okay. something for me here? okay. because this is and i have been furiously googling this. we've we're working on this before the show. and every single time we look at this, i appear to be given some different information . we all appear to be given a bit different information about whether i was whether or not, if i was a junior doctor and i did my training here and then i went to australia, not australia, whether or not i would have to pay that student loan if i stayed in loan back if i stayed in australia forever or america forever. and just didn't pay that back , even though that is that back, even though that is money that i knew i owed. is anyone actually coming for me to get that money off me? i don't anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oney off me? i don't anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oneyare me? i don't anyone actually coming for me to get tithey oneyare they? don't think they are, are they? >> the is enforced >> so the problem is enforced payment. theoretically, yes. payment. so theoretically, yes. you do have pay it back at you do have to pay it back at any time you take any loan, you have to pay it back. the problem is this a government is that this is a government loan with the student loans company. because company. so because the

government effectively company. so because the governmeni bill, effectively company. so because the governmeni bill, effetaxpayer footing the bill, the taxpayer is footing the those is footing the bill for those loans. it's not necessarily being in that way. being enforced in that way. there many people don't there are many people that don't pay there are many people that don't pay their student loans as there are many people that don't p.result their student loans as there are many people that don't p.result ofheir student loans as there are many people that don't p.result of leavingient loans as there are many people that don't p.result of leaving the loans as there are many people that don't p.result of leaving the countrys a result of leaving the country , being chased , and they're not being chased up , and they're not being chased “p by by , and they're not being chased up by by the government or by the loans company, for the student loans company, for that matter. the student loans company, for tha no, |tter. the student loans company, for tha no, exactly. this is so the student loans company, for tha cynicxactly. this is so the student loans company, for tha cynic in:tly. this is so the student loans company, for tha cynic in me this is so the student loans company, for tha cynic in me would; is so the student loans company, for tha cynic in me would say, io the student loans company, for tha cynic in me would say, well, the cynic in me would say, well, not the cynic in just me. not the cynic in me, just me. i'd say if i wanted to get medical training at a world class level with an internationally renowned degree , i would get a student loan in britain, i would train here, and then i would leave and move to australia and earn a load of money or more money for in a better system , a system that better system, a system that we're not really allowed to implement here for whatever reason politically . obe and then reason politically. obe and then ijust reason politically. obe and then i just would decide not to pay back my student loan and i'd never come back to britain and that would probably be all right, it? right, wouldn't it? >> exactly what you >> so. patrick exactly what you said. the cynic in you said tells you that you can't implement that kind of system in this well, actually, this country. well, actually, that's exactly the problem, right? a broken

right? the nhs is a broken system. i don't blame students for not wanting to work here. but you're absolutely right. it's that british it's unfair that british taxpayers are footing the bill for student loans for students that effectively are not that are effectively are not then being not working this then being not working in this country. the solution then is to, again, can reform those to, again, we can reform those contracts if they are decided by supply and demand. you can also make those loans are make sure that those loans are not paid for the not being paid for by the taxpayer. we can taxpayer. but actually we can allow contracts to be to allow those contracts to be to sort again , require those sort of, again, require those workers work in this country. workers to work in this country. but would fix the incentive but that would fix the incentive problem. but really, the problem , the root of the problem here is that the is broken and is that the nhs is broken and that lot of people want to that a lot of people do want to work they're not work here because they're not being paid enough, because working conditions aren't great enough. working conditions aren't great erthe h. working conditions aren't great erthe nhs not necessarily the contract. >> well, yeah, possibly, but then i also speak to gp's and very quickly when you start pressing they refuse pressing them on it, they refuse to how much that to tell you how much money that they're earn. they they're going to earn. they refuse tell what pay they're going to earn. they refu would all what pay they're going to earn. they refu would mean what pay they're going to earn. they refu would mean forlat pay they're going to earn. they refu would mean for them pay rise would mean for them financially. then all of a suddenit financially. then all of a sudden it starts to go into what we spent, however much money that we spent on the coronation,

we amount on we spent this amount of money on the how the queen's funeral. look how much then much mps get paid. and then i start to think, hang on a minute, aren't you going on to strike with strike coincide with the conservative party conference and demonstration and holding a demonstration in manchester? is actually manchester? or is it actually maybe political as maybe a little bit political as well? it is. i'm well? oh, yes, it is. and i'm sorry, but do think it's sorry, but i do think it's flipping that would sorry, but i do think it's flip the that would sorry, but i do think it's flip the taxpayerhat would sorry, but i do think it's flip the taxpayer tot would sorry, but i do think it's flip the taxpayer to pay would sorry, but i do think it's flip the taxpayer to pay for)uld get the taxpayer to pay for however years of medical however many years of medical school i think you would school it is. i think you would swan off to australia and not pay swan off to australia and not pay and then complain pay that back and then complain about that situation here. maybe, that's just me. but maybe, maybe that's just me. but anyway, there we go. reem, thank you very much. reem ibrahim there is of course there who is of course a political commentator and a friend the friend of political commentator and a frieishow. :he friend of political commentator and a frieishow. :he a friend of political commentator and a frieishow.:he a welshiend of political commentator and a frieishow.:he a welsh government the show. now a welsh government minister survived a vote of minister has survived a vote of no confidence about the no confidence as anger about the country's controversial 20 mile an limit shows no an hour speed limit shows no signs of away. it's even signs of going away. it's even playing havoc with bus services in rural areas. no no, not rural bus services in wales . but bus services in wales. but there's more to it than meets there's more to it than meets the eye here. and i will tell you why when i come back.

on gb news, the people's. channel >> a reminder now of the news that we broke just a few minutes ago. several people have been killed following shootings in rotterdam . police say a gunman rotterdam. police say a gunman opened fire in a flat and then a medical centre in the dutch city. they also said that fires had broken out at both locations. a 32 year old man has been arrested. so, yep, just to recap then of that breaking news, which is as we understand it, several people have been

killed following shootings in rotterdam. a gunman apparently opened fire in a flat and then in a medical centre. they said that fires had broken out at both of those locations. but a 32 year old man has been arrested. we will have more on this story in our 6:00 bulletins as we spent a lot of today's show, though, of course, talking about whether or not the uk should leave the echr suella braverman has apparently been authorised to buy downing street to the idea after european to float the idea after european judges blocked the rwanda flight and hot off the press of her talking about refugees and whether should the whether we should change the international definition of a refugee to suit the modern era. but sunak has been talking but rishi sunak has been talking about that the about something else that the home discussed home secretary discussed in his big . now, braverman big speech today. now, braverman said that multicultural ism has failed in europe and sunak has now refused to endorse that claim. so he said , and i think claim. so he said, and i think that this is something that is incredible about this country. is it sorry? it is. i think i

should say, a fantastic multicultural democracy. we have done an incredible job of integrating people into society . and one of the lovely things about getting the job i have as the first person from my background to hold this job, that's a wonderful thing. but it's also not a big deal in our country . and i think that speaks country. and i think that speaks to the progress that we've made over the years and how far we've come and something we should all be collectively incredibly proud of , of not really answer the of, of not really answer the question then really, how is he about whether or not multiculturalism has indeed worked failed in this worked or failed in this country? i think there are huge elements of it obviously working. i mean , you just have working. i mean, you just have to at we've got as our to look at who we've got as our prime minister, who we've as prime minister, who we've got as our home secretary, who we previously had as our chancellor. i mean, you could go on, right? go all on, right? you could go on all day of things. day about that kind of things. people of people rising to positions of power, not just in politics, but in the corporate in the in the corporate world, in the broadcasting world, and the media walks media world in all walks of life, people who of life, people who are of different ethnic minority backgrounds different ethnic minority backgrou and different cultures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, fferent cultures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, ffe course, tures different ethnic minority backgrou mean, ffe course, in es . yeah, i mean, of course, in some ways multiculturalism has

definitely . but then you definitely worked. but then you can contrast that quite easily , can contrast that quite easily, can't you, with things that are going leicester, for going on in leicester, for example, where there was massive tensions between muslim and tensions between the muslim and the elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat look elements tensions between the muslim and thnthat look inlements of that you can look at in certain parts of bradford or even parts manchester even parts of manchester where you could make a serious case for multiculturalism having having worked certainly having not worked certainly integration, not having worked . integration, not having worked. and i think what suella braverman was trying to talk about the speed of it and about was the speed of it and the is happening too the rate of it is happening too quickly can't really quickly and we can't really absorb of that stuff just absorb all of that stuff just from political perspective from a political perspective there. think there there. do you not think there rishi could have there. do you not think there rishi more could have there. do you not think there rishi more back could have there. do you not think there rishi more back cou homee done more to back his home secretary? there could he have come spoken more come out and spoken more strongly what she'd said strongly about what she'd said he could have said, couldn't say, this is what she say, look, this is what she meant. i endorse he didn't meant. i endorse it. he didn't say a bit of say that there was a bit of waffle, was caught waffle, but maybe he was caught on hop. waffle, but maybe he was caught on hop . however, different on the hop. however, a different story to round us off. the welsh minister behind the 20 mile an hour speed limit across the country, believe it or not, faced a vote of no confidence. but is the war on motorists ever

going to end? so deputy climate change minister lee waters , as change minister lee waters, as he easily survived the vote. but the fact is one was brought nonetheless. in fact, there's been a petition in wales against the 20 mile an hour zone . the 20 mile an hour zone. several hundred thousand people have signed this petition. but he did promise to listen to angry drivers who had almost cost him his job. i mean, it's one thing listening to them. it's another thing doing anything about it, isn't it? the speed limit is disrupting public transport. they with bus transport. so they say with bus services across rural wales delayed routes even delayed and some routes even being forced to change to try and it's almost and stay on time, it's almost like wasn't properly like this wasn't properly thought isn't it? thought through, isn't it? joining more on this joining me now for more on this is member of the senate for is the member of the senate for north wales. it's sam rowlands. sam, much. sam, thank you very, very much. it's hour it's 20 mile an hour speed limit, a terrible idea . limit, just a terrible idea. >> absolutely. and the people of wales are making their voices heard through the petition that you mentioned, over 400,000 people have now signed that petition. and that's more people than voted for the labour party at the last senate elections

here in wales. so people are frustrated, they're angry. they don't feel like being listened to. and welsh government really need to buck up their ideas . need to buck up their ideas. >> okay. i mean, look, realistically, how bad is this? >> okay. i mean, look, realjustilly, how bad is this? >> okay. i mean, look, realjust drive ow bad is this? >> okay. i mean, look, realjust drive av bad is this? >> okay. i mean, look, realjust drive a little is this? >> okay. i mean, look, realjust drive a little bit:his? you just drive a little bit slower. what's the problem? >> i think it's just the way it's been implemented on a blanket basis. you know , none of blanket basis. you know, none of us have a problem and understand when we need to slow down a little bit outside schools, outside perhaps hospitals or those heavily pedestrianised areas. what's happened is 97% of roads that were previously 30mph are now 20mph. it doesn't seem much of a logical thing . king much of a logical thing. king behind it, it's just a blanket position that the government had decided to take, okay? >> and now i'm going to read this note. so a person is around five times more likely to be killed when hit by a vehicle travelling at 30 miles an hour than vehicle than they are from a vehicle travelling an hour travelling at 20 miles an hour that would be the public health and safety argument for driving at 20 miles an hour. i suppose

some people might say, well, well, where does that end then? do ultimately ban cars do we ultimately ban cars altogether? i mean, is that a good enough argument for you? do you think, to reduce it to 20 miles an hour? the safety ? miles an hour? the safety? >> well, it's obviously people safety is paramount, but we all balance risks every single day of our lives. and government, in my view, shouldn't be there to try and restrict people. perhaps to the level it's doing at the moment here in wales. the other aspect of this is that welsh government , its own figures show government, its own figures show that this is going to cost the economy in wales £4.5 billion. now wales is already back of the queue. >> i don't, i don't doubt that by the way, but, but, but how, how is driving slower going to cost the economy four and a bit. billion to calculate billion pounds to calculate that's a standard calculation through the treasury which basically takes into account the fact everyone's going to fact that everyone's going to take bit longer, sat in take a little bit longer, sat in their time equals money, of their cars time equals money, of course. their cars time equals money, of course more time sat in cars

>> so more time sat in cars means less time being productive. you think about the types people delivery types of people our delivery drivers, town and our care drivers, about town and our care workers who are going from one home to the other. all these people are going to take a lot longer to do the longer for them to do the work that they would usually do. you mentioned public transport as that they would usually do. you meexample. public transport as that they would usually do. you meexample. there: transport as that they would usually do. you meexample. there aransport as that they would usually do. you meexample. there a bus port as that they would usually do. you meexample. there a bus service an example. there a bus service is impacted massively. an example. there a bus service is goingnpacted massively. an example. there a bus service is goingnpactecthemiively. an example. there a bus service is goingnpactecthem millions it's going to cost them millions of more to deliver the of pounds more to deliver the services that all desperately need. >> i mean, was there a massive clamour for this? i mean, i get that there's always there's clamour for this? i mean, i get that thnthe; always there's clamour for this? i mean, i get that thnthe odd ays there's clamour for this? i mean, i get that thnthe odd resident,�*s clamour for this? i mean, i get that thnthe odd resident, isn't always the odd resident, isn't there, of there, that hates the idea of someone using their road as a cut through and they stand outside a hairdryer outside with a hairdryer pretending it a speed pretending for it to be a speed gun. and they try and slow people down. we all those people down. we all know those people. but was there people. but i mean, was there a wales wide clamour to make everyone drive slower? where did this this this come from? is this just some know, some some some some, you know, some some bloke that they bloke or woman decided that they had difference and had to make a difference and stamp mark welsh stamp their mark on welsh society. and this is how they're going it . going to do it. >> well, i haven't noticed the clamour and clearly clamour clamour and clearly the clamour seems to be the opposite way actually. and welsh government clearly room clearly haven't read the room when it comes to public opinion

here in wales. and indeed, i guess united kingdom guess across the united kingdom . but let's just go back to the point it's absolutely right that speed should be reduced in those places are places where those risks are high as a blanket position. it's not people of not right. and the people of wales rightfully speaking wales are rightfully speaking out against him. okay. >> right . look, out against him. okay. >> right. look, thank you >> all right. look, thank you very, for your time. very, very much for your time. great to have you on the show. of course. and hey, we're talking this another day. talking about this another day. maybe it's reversed, for want maybe if it's reversed, for want of a better phrase. sam rowlands there, who a member of the there, who is a member of the senate for north wales. look, i just want finish by giving just want to finish by giving you an update, you a little bit of an update, some information through some information coming through about on in about what's been going on in rotten we brought rotten ham. we brought that to you while about you a little while ago about shooting multiple casualties shooting and multiple casualties in rotterdam. so deaths have now been reported following it says twin shootings in the dutch city of rotterdam . a gunman of rotterdam. a gunman apparently first opened fire at apparently first opened fire at a house and then at a large universe, city medical centre . universe, city medical centre. it's understood that there may well have been fires that broke out at both those sites as well

. staff were seen fleeing the medical facility. police raided the building and there have been fatalities. but the exact specific number of those has not yet been released. a 32 year old man has been arrested. he was reportedly taken into custody there as well . and apparently there as well. and apparently there as well. and apparently there will be a press conference taking place shortly . we will taking place shortly. we will have more information on that as and when we get it . apparently, and when we get it. apparently, the gunman opened fire at the rotterdam medical centre. that's according to the local police there. and like i said, fires broke out at both those locations as it currently stands, we do not know , though, stands, we do not know, though, how many people have died or been injured, but of course, it's a deeply concerning situation . and he has no motive situation. and he has no motive for the attack has yet been given. so no motive yet given. but a 32 year old man has been arrested in connection with these twin shootings that are taking place in rotterdam. there will be no doubt more on this as

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of midlands and eastern of the midlands and eastern england also seeing fairly england also seeing some fairly intense downpours clearing away for early for many through the early hours. showers going hours. we'll keep showers going across north—west scotland and temperatures mostly holding up in double digits onto friday. and for the most part , it's and for the most part, it's a fine day. early doors, some cloud and rain across east anglia in the south—east, but that should be gone around or soon hour. then lots soon after rush hour. then lots of showers packing into western scotland and they'll going scotland and they'll keep going through 2 through the day. 1 or 2 scattered elsewhere , but scattered showers elsewhere, but many dry and bright, many places dry and bright, a bit sunshine probably than bit more sunshine probably than today wales , today for parts of east wales, southern eastern england . a southern and eastern england. a bit of a breeze, but still feeling quite pleasant in the sunshine. across the sunshine. 21 across the south—east, elsewhere, mostly in the teens , feeling the high teens, feeling pretty fresh wind fresh with that gusty wind across that'll be across the far north. that'll be lighter on saturday, although still showers across still some showers across shetland. places start fine shetland. many places start fine and the east will stay that way on saturday. but look at this more and windy weather more wet and windy weather coming areas coming into western areas through day . temperatures through the day. temperatures again in the south—east over 20 degrees. but elsewhere feeling cooler rain wind cooler as more rain and wind

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