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headunes let's bring you the latest headlines this hour. and i have some breaking for news you that's coming into us all the time. detail we have at the time. the detail we have at the moment seven people have moment is that seven people have lost following lost their lives following a double in the double shooting in the netherlands. it netherlands. we understand it took in the dutch port took place in the dutch port city rotterdam . also i can city of rotterdam. also i can tell you that a 32 year old man has been arrested near a medical centre . many reports online centre. many reports online indicating it's the erasmus medical centre where one of the shootings took place. the first attack as we pieced together these events that are coming to us from the netherlands , the us from the netherlands, the first attack took place at a nearby flat. it's unclear whether the two events are unked whether the two events are linked yet, but they are being reported together for whatever meaning that has dutch police, though, say the suspect was a student at the university where the shooting took place online. we've seen fire appliances rushing to the scene at the erasmus university and the perpetrator being arrested by police in the grounds of the

erasmus medical centre . so that erasmus medical centre. so that is the sad news coming to us from the netherlands today . from the netherlands today. several people confirmed dead following that double shooting incident in the dutch port city of rotterdam . we'll bring you of rotterdam. we'll bring you more detail that as it more detail on that as it becomes now also in the becomes clearer. now also in the news today, the family of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed in south yesterday morning south london yesterday morning have been paying tribute to her as the police investigation into her murder continues. an arade dam was attacked while she was on her way to school in croydon. in a statement , her family said, in a statement, her family said, our hearts are broken by the senseless death of our daughter . our ellie anne was the light of our lives. a 17 year old boy of our lives. a17 year old boy who police say knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested yesterday morning . arrested yesterday morning. roads and local transport minister richard holden told gb news what's being done to tackle knife crime. >> new legislation has been brought in. sentences are being strengthened, which is vitally important as well. but overall i

think this is about about us as a society really ensuring that we get across to people, that there is no place for possession of a knife and that, yes, there is no place for possession of a knife and that , yes, the of a knife and that, yes, the government will act with tougher sentencing. we've got extra police, 20,000 plus now, extra since when? i was elected in 2019. out on the streets now in years away from home. >> gb news understands that tunisian people smugglers have now begun preparing boats now begun preparing small boats , boats, rather, to launch into the sea. strong winds in the mediterranean have prevented any crossings for more than a week, but more migrant boats are expected to arrive on the italian island of lampedusa from tunisia tomorrow as those weather conditions improve . and weather conditions improve. and this morning, a group of human rights lawyers and other officials visited the island to understand the impact of the crisis. there and the new defence secretary has been visiting the ukrainian capital, kyiv for the first time since

taking up his new post. grant shapps discussed how to bolster ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy. mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary last month and vowed to keep up britain's support for ukraine. it experts are calling on the prime minister to prioritise ai ethics during a safety summit next month. a survey by bcs that's the chartered institute for it found that 88% of tech experts want the uk to lead in setting global ethical standards in al. the survey also shows that 82% believe companies should publish ethical policies on al use . new ethical policies on al use. new laws in northern ireland have been implemented , preventing the been implemented, preventing the pubuc been implemented, preventing the public from attending trials for serious sexual offences. the new law extends the anonymity for victims until 25 years after their death and provides

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not on my agenda tonight. don't worry. i do not think it is britain's top news story. but it was just the last one on their 16 year old boy. what an odd who who would even who hates trees. yeah. what's a tree ever done? i mean, honestly, just. just when you right, this world you think, right, this world cannot more bizarre . cannot get any more bizarre. yeah. just when you think you know what? maybe heard it know what? maybe i've heard it all. something pops up kind all. something pops up that kind of makes think. actually no. of makes you think. actually no. there's even more oddness going on than even know about. on than we even know about. anyway, in touch with me anyway, get in touch with me tonight thoughts. tonight with all your thoughts. whatever that's on your whatever it is that's on your mind tonight. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get hold me. or

is how you get hold of me. or you can tweet me whatever you can tweet me or whatever it's at gb it's called these days at gb news news. lots coming your way tonight. i want to talk to you about knife crime, the nhs. you know all this student debt that people up. do you people are racking up. do you think kind of and think we can kind of try and lock people into the nhs? would that help? and we could offer in return? don't know, kind return? i don't know, some kind of or rebate or of discount or rebate or whatever on outstanding whatever on their outstanding loans. want to talk loans. and also i want to talk about really about oils. i didn't really think that that would be i'd be saying that, but you never know what each new day brings. but yeah, lots coming your way tonight and i look fonnard to the debates. now i want start the debates. now i want to start with knife because you with knife crime, because you might familiar with what might be familiar with what happened yesterday. it was in the headlines as well. a 15 year old girl was stabbed on her way to school. i mean, just as i am saying that i am getting chills all over myself because can you imagine you've got a little girl and you send her. we all do it to your kids, your grandkids, whoever you give them the kiss, you wish them a good day and on their way they go. you never,

ever child to ever expect for that child to not home. this is an not return home. this is an absolutely horrendous case, but unfortunately, it is one of seemingly many. it's unfortunately, it is one of seemingly many . it's very it's seemingly many. it's very it's very hard these days to go. it feels like a week without heanng feels like a week without hearing stabbings . and it does hearing stabbings. and it does seem to be often very young people, teenagers involved in this. so i'm asking quite an open ended question on this. how do we stop this? well i think you know, we tend to see issues like this as specific issues and come up with specific policies to tackle them. >> but i think knife crime is, as in so many of these increases in crime generally are part of a much bigger problem that we have in the country at the moment. and it's to do with in the case of young people , you know, of young people, you know, carrying knives and stabbing each other. breakdown. i think of family values, how they're brought up, what they believe to be right and wrong, permissible

, unacceptable , a kind of , unacceptable, a kind of inurement to pain and the and the cause of pain, which is bizarre . you know, i couldn't bizarre. you know, i couldn't even begin to think what it feels like to plunge a knife into someone . and then, of into someone. and then, of course, there's the whole policing issue. then there's the law, then there's the judicial process itself. when only results in about 2% of serious crime is being, you know , crime is being, you know, resulting in a conviction , a resulting in a conviction, a charge rate of only about 3.5. but that's all the causes. >> what about the solutions? >> what about the solutions? >> the yeah. so i think in order to come up with solutions, you do need to establish what the whole array of what the causes are so that, you know that you're actually addressing the problem correctly. >> by the way, if you're wondering on the screen, this is the 15 year old little girl that was very sadly killed in croydon yesterday . leanne arade dam was yesterday. leanne arade dam was her name. sorry. continue. ben >> so, you know, a kind of

holistic approach as far as i'm concerned, would be obviously be more stop and search removing the legality of owning instruments like machetes and zombie knives as , as they're zombie knives as, as they're called , concentration in the called, concentration in the communities on training, in education, on about how serious carrying knives is and not allowing it to be somehow romanticised or brought into a sort of gang culture on the back of a notion that , you know, of a notion that, you know, you're a man if you carry a knife, i would crack down also on low level crime . you know, so on low level crime. you know, so much of this results from people being introduced to crime at a kind of low level, which the police tend to tolerate nowadays . and that's kind of entry level as well, because a lot of these gangs like drug gangs and stuff like that, they actively recruit the younger the better because they actually if you've they think actually if you've got this young involved in got this young kid involved in whatever are you might whatever chances are you might end getting lesser sentence. >> perhaps if it is a child. i

just want to i think i think i think ben is right. >> it's got to be holistic. i definitely a holistic response. but are you going to say something? >> no, no, i was just going >> no, no, no. i was just going to just the viewers, just to just tell the viewers, just bnng to just tell the viewers, just bring up to speed. to just tell the viewers, just bring zombie up to speed. to just tell the viewers, just bring zombie styleo speed. to just tell the viewers, just bring zombie style knivesi. to just tell the viewers, just bring zombie style knives and these zombie style knives and machetes. we've been machetes. we've just been talking about. apparently the government introduced ban talking about. apparently the gowthese. int introduced ban talking about. apparently the gowthese. int irgiven:ed ban talking about. apparently the gowthese. int irgiven the ban on these. they've given the police to seize police more powers to seize these as apparently these things as apparently machetes knives are machetes and knives that are designed intimidating designed to look intimidating and illegal. and threatening will be illegal. the for the the maximum penalty for the importation manufacturing, the maximum penalty for the importatior and nufacturing, the maximum penalty for the importatior and nufacof'ing, the maximum penalty for the importatior and nufacof these possession and sale of these things will be increased from six months to years. the six months to two years. and the maximum penalty to maximum penalty for sales to under seconds well will be under 18 seconds as well will be expanded . expanded. >> but the point? you said >> but see the point? you said there increased from six months to two they're illegal to two years. they're illegal already. been banned already. they've been banned already. there's another ban on top a band. sometimes top of a band. and sometimes what actually need is ben what you actually need is ben said was right holistic work. sometimes need is the sometimes what you need is the really slow of changing the really slow work of changing the culture which young culture in which these young people are brought and people are brought up and there's great done in there's great work done in croydon university croydon at croydon university hospital college hospital in king's college hospital in king's college hospital college, hospital in king's college hosacross college, hospital in king's college hosacross london college, hospital in king's college hosacross london outsidelege, all across london outside london, redthread, a charity london, by redthread, a charity who actually work with young

people come into contact people who come into contact with violence, even are with violence, maybe even are people who actually inflict violence. taking them people who actually inflict viola ice. taking them people who actually inflict viola multi taking them people who actually inflict viola multi disciplinary; them out a multi disciplinary approach. they've got to have there's got to be a law enforcement element. there's got to training element. to be a training element. there's be a skills there's got to be a skills element, a culture element. i know that in south london, black led are really led churches are really important. pastors important. some of the pastors and the churches to schools important. some of the pastors and lie churches to schools important. some of the pastors and i heard rches to schools important. some of the pastors and i heard ales to schools important. some of the pastors and i heard a really to schools important. some of the pastors and i heard a really movingols that i heard a really moving account of of account this morning of the of the of sister of a who the of the sister of a boy who was stabbed to death in south london. she was talking london. and she was talking about her primary about her going to primary schools talking and hearing schools and talking and hearing from they carry from young kids. they carry knives because they think they should knives all of should carry knives and all of these things is the if these things is in the end, if it's in the culture, you have to take it from the culture. and that's is a slow process. that's that is a slow process. and gang culture has to be tackled in which tackled and the culture in which young and young boys feel frightened and feel to carry knives feel they have to carry knives has to be all of these things have work. and the lack of have to work. and the lack of community policing, true community policing, true community last community policing over the last decade, had a real decade, i think has had a real cost on the streets of london. decade, i think has had a real cos yeah,1e streets of london. decade, i think has had a real cos yeah, you.reets of london. decade, i think has had a real cos yeah, you know, if london. decade, i think has had a real cosyeah, you know, i'mwndon. decade, i think has had a real cos yeah, you know, i'm just]. >> yeah, you know, i'm just looking at something. in 2021, for 7700 and 763 for example. well, 7700 and 763 pupils suspended for taking

pupils were suspended for taking items including knives and guns , into school founded, and 41 of them was expelled. but get this , among those figures are children young as four. yeah. children as young as four. yeah. i mean , i've got a three year i mean, i've got a three year old child. well that's a parenting issue, isn't it? well, icannot parenting issue, isn't it? well, i cannot get my i also don't understand, they're understand, like what they're alleging . and obviously this is alleging. and obviously this is alleging. and obviously this is a live case. i need to be careful. but they're alleging that yesterday's stabbing in croydon the eye croydon and some of the eye witnesses are saying it was carried say was carried out by what they say was a foot long machete. that's how they describing it. and i cannot get my head around how can a person, wander person, an individual, wander around with a foot long machete either down his pants or wherever and seemingly nobody notices ? notices? >> as i thought about that, i gave that the description is not entirely accurate. i think because a foot isn't that long. you know , you can get a kitchen you know, you can get a kitchen knife that's very long. >> i don't want to be crude. it is. it is the is before the watershed. but putting something that long down your trousers .

that long down your trousers. >> oh well i mean i wouldn't put it down my trousers. that's a very dangerous thing to do. >> what i'm saying is a lot of these they have them these kids, they will have them kind of down trousers. kind of down their trousers. they'll whipping they'll be whipping them out very none this very quickly. none of this sounds i do apologise, sounds right. i do apologise, but you get what i'm saying. and i can't understand. how but you get what i'm saying. and i you 't understand. how but you get what i'm saying. and i you ablederstand. how but you get what i'm saying. and i you able to stand. how but you get what i'm saying. and i you able to concealow but you get what i'm saying. and i you able to conceal these were you able to conceal these things parents? things from your parents? >> get that. but >> i look, i get that. but i also think we've had. we're at the end of 13 years of brutal cuts to services, to cuts cuts to public services, to cuts to social work, cuts to youth , to social work, cuts to youth, youth work, to youth clubs, to the support staff in education, in schools, in further education, in secondary schools. and the consequence of cuts to pubuc and the consequence of cuts to public services is a degradation of the public sphere . the of the public sphere. the streets we walk on are less safe because there were cuts to community support officers and the. and if you can't? no you have no it's not it's not. it's not. it's not. it's not. it is not. it's not. it's not. it is not an excuse. it's an explanation. and the thing is we have to tackle these issues and you can't tackle them by going.

we had to cut these things. we didn't have to cut the public services. the cuts have consequences. and people is consequences. and the people is blame are the members blame for that. are the members of the current government , the of the current government, the prime , his home prime minister, his home secretary, his chancellor, they all committed to these cuts and they all hold responsibility for safeness , you know, has been safeness, you know, has been taken to new highs by this government. >> i appreciate it feels like they're cuts because i think they're cuts because i think they manage everything so badly i >> they've cut the cord. they've cut the courts badly. so there's a massive backlog. it's you can't criminal justice, not can't get criminal justice, not just the cops don't just because the cops don't catch people, because when catch people, but because when they them, the backlog they catch them, the backlog of getting court getting your case into court takes so and, you know, takes so long and, you know, justice delayed justice justice delayed is justice denied. but i don't denied. we have a but i don't think for want of spending. think it's for want of spending. >> you look at the >> you know, you look at the nhs, example, people keep nhs, for example, people keep saying what happened to the 350 million brexiteers million that brexiteers promised would on the would be spent every week on the nhs. well, actually we spent that. that hell of a lot that. that plus a hell of a lot more on the nhs. >> we're basically a country with a large nhs , a big state with a large nhs, a big state pension and very, very few other

pubuc pension and very, very few other public services, including an underfunded defence force and underfunded defence force and underfunded armed forces. the smallest army in british history. all all because the government made completely agree with you on the military. >> well, well, i was not expecting that. >> got to the point of we >> we got to the point of we ended an element of ended on an element of agreement. there you know, some people are saying that you're blaming this on sadiq khan. people are saying that you're blaming this on sadiq khan . and blaming this on sadiq khan. and don't get me wrong , blaming this on sadiq khan. and don't get me wrong, i mean, london, it's not great when it comes to stabbings, but the west midlands, greater manchester, apparently those police force areas, serious crime is a special measure. >> greater manchester police force. yeah. >> i mean , i've got to be honest >> i mean, i've got to be honest as well. these kind of things, these zombie knives, they have been illegal, as we're saying, for quite some time. i often ponder as well. i know people won't this about what do won't like this about what do you call you know, like you call them, you know, like metal school metal detectors on school entrances . would you support entrances. would you support those? i think in some places you have to have metal detectors. >> you have to make sometimes you have to stop people being dangerous make other people safe. >> i think if it's endemic, like

i sadly support it, but it i would sadly support it, but it would be a really regressive step. >> it is. no, it's terrible. it's terrible to think of us lacking much trust in lacking so much trust in each other that to do these things. >> yeah, well, you know what? if you were watching my show on friday, if you missed it, actually, just go and catch up on youtube, because had on youtube, because we had a man. was his name and he man. martin was his name and he was actually talking to us about his was stabbed his son that was stabbed to death it was really death aged 60. and it was really powerful. and he has got some really messages for any really strong messages for any young even young people that are even considering carrying. and it's just it. it is just considering carrying. and it's justworth it. it is just considering carrying. and it's justworth it. it. it is just considering carrying. and it's justworth it. keept is just considering carrying. and it's justworth it. keep youszt considering carrying. and it's justworth it. keep your thoughts not worth it. keep your thoughts coming in, views that coming in, gb views that gbnews.com. me know your gbnews.com. let me know your thoughts before thoughts coming up before the end programme. lots to end of the programme. lots to fit should we try and fit in nhs. should we try and help stay within retain help people stay within retain within the nhs by perhaps, i don't writing off of don't know, writing off some of their student loans ? would their student loans? would you support on private support that vat on private schools? yes or no ? and also gb schools? yes or no? and also gb news goings on over the last news the goings on over the last few days. we've got it all coming. go anywhere

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radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. the ceo of first property group and former brexit party mep ben habib, and the former advisor to tony blair, john mcternan, alongside me, we're talking about knife crime, particularly when teenage kids when you know these teenage kids and rest of it. how do and all the rest of it. how do we stop it? a lot of you saying it's heavier sentences it's all about heavier sentences for the perpetrators . dale says. for the perpetrators. dale says. until we get the balance right between human rights and discipline and enforcing discipline, we will never stop the issue. dale says young people have no fear of authority whatsoever because authority is simply cannot enforce the law for fear of recriminations . for fear of recriminations. there you go. john says the lack of basically community policing thatis of basically community policing that is not going to stop knife crime, even when those guys are there. he's arguing that they don't have any powers and he's saying basically when it comes to this stuff, they are perhaps

pointless. are you one of those community police officers? what do think that 8th june community police officers? what do so think that 8th june community police officers? what do so many that 8th june community police officers? what do so many young 8th june community police officers? what do so many young people e community police officers? what do so many young people now , says so many young people now, they have fear . they they just don't have fear. they don't have fear of religion. they just don't have that fear . they just don't have that fear. dave says crime is all dave says knife crime is all a part of the destruction of our society . what about all this ? society. what about all this? i'm going to make myself sound like an old fergie now, but you know, when you hear like some of this music and stuff, what's it got? like drill music? and it's all like kind of the gangster stuff and i was just about to start quoting lyrics from drill music. but, you know, when you hear yourself and you just think, do you know what? i'm just to move on. there's just going to move on. there's lots questions on that knife lots of questions on that knife crime you you let crime issue. you get me, you let me whether not have me know whether or not you have any solutions as to how on earth we it, because we try and stop it, because what's going on right now is heartbreaking. so many young people lives for people losing their lives for what? right let's move on. a new report shows that fewer than half go to work half of trainee gps go to work full time for the nhs. we all know by now we've got know by now that we've got massive waiting the nhs.

massive waiting lists. the nhs. i about to say it's on its i was about to say it's on its knees and i have to say we almost have this every winter. ben people oh, winter ben people say, oh, the winter is coming the nhs its is coming up, the nhs is on its knees and can't cope with the winter. but this really is different. think time and different. i think this time and there's proposals . what there's been proposals. what about off student debt? about writing off student debt? perhaps and get perhaps if we can try and get people nhs, commit for people into the nhs, commit for a period time to the nhs and a period of time to the nhs and if you do so, we'll write off your student debt. bob's your uncle, you know, as your aunt, you get the nhs, gets your staff and you get to write off your loan. that's a win win for everyone, isn't it? yeah. >> i mean i would take the opposite approach. as john knows, because he was part of the administration that implemented this university fees are by the are heavily subsidised by the government people had are heavily subsidised by the gov privilege people had are heavily subsidised by the gov privilege of people had are heavily subsidised by the gov privilege of a)eople had are heavily subsidised by the gov privilege of a british had the privilege of a british education at a discounted rate. actually should either pay the loan back because it's a discounted loan anyway, or if in the case of the nhs, if you're considering some kind of policy unked considering some kind of policy linked to education that results in them committing to deliver

airing, what was the expectation was when had that discount was when they had that discount education at the state's expense, they should have to pay up if they exit the sector right . i would penalise people who've had the benefit of a of a highly subsidised british education slavery . slavery. >> he's saying that slavery indenture , indenture, it's not indenture, indenture, it's not indenture, indenture, it's not indenture if it's a bit like programs that corporates put, you know , through university you know, through university corporates often pay for someone's education on the basis that they come and work for them for at least three years. >> at the end of the education process. and if they don't, then they have to, they have to pay they have to, they have to pay the back. yeah. and that is the fees back. yeah. and that is pretty standard in the private sector, isn't it? >> go i don't know if >> if you go i don't know if you're in it and you want to qualify up to the next level and you leave. >> well can i just say one more time? ti me? >> time? >> if possible, we should have a menu. >> a menu and let him say one thing. then you say the second thing. >> i just want to say no, no,

no. you know something? you. >> john. say >> yeah, go on, john. you say your thing, then. >> see, i thought it was very interesting that it said a very high proportion. up high proportion. don't end up working and i've working full time. and i've noficed working full time. and i've noticed certainly our gp's noticed certainly in our gp's practise every doctor practise almost every doctor there almost there is a woman and almost every doctor there is part time. so i think you maybe need a range a range offers to range of a range of offers to people. some people might people. some some people might want get paid go through want to get paid to go through university to, to, to become a doctor to pay doctor and then have to pay back. if they if they if they don't stay in the health service, some people might be better say, work for ten better off to say, work for ten years we'll wipe the years and we'll wipe off the remaining debt. some remaining student debt. some people we're going people it might be we're going to you a time. you're to give you a part time. you're going guarantee you part time going to guarantee you part time work over after 20 years of work and over after 20 years of part working, you've not part time working, you've not paid debt. we'll pay it paid off your debt. we'll pay it off. there's all kinds of ways. but basically at heart of but basically at the heart of this recruitment crisis. this is a recruitment crisis. our doctors are going work in our doctors are going to work in australia they've got australia because they've got better australia because they've got bett higher pay. how many do and higher pay. how many do we need in the need to find? i think in the order a very it's a very order it's a very it's a very large number of our doctors are going into the australian going to go into the australian health the australian health system. the australian different over

different states are coming over and from and recruiting directly from the uk and get the figures uk and you can get the figures from we in those. from the bma as we do in those. >> to a variety of >> we go to a variety of different countries, but we try and recruit nurses. and actively recruit and nurses. for we should recruit for example, we should recruit nurses philippines for example, we should recruit nurses basicallyhilippines for example, we should recruit nurses basically middlees for example, we should recruit nurses basically middle class because basically middle class families in the philippines spend families in the philippines spenldaughters, mainly their daughters, mainly daughters, nurses. their daughters, mainly dalandrs, nurses. their daughters, mainly dalandrs, good nurses. their daughters, mainly dalandrs, good ractually >> and it's a good it's actually a good philippines and a good for the philippines and good if we get if people good for us if we get if people are paying for the training themselves in the philippines. but we need find solution but we need to find a solution to the crisis. yes, some of it will be ai and machine learning. actually, some of it will be automation, be automation, some will be telephone intake. telephone on the intake. >> for example, >> so like so for example, there's school there's 9500 medical school places that's available. there's been not been talk about whether or not that be extended and that should be extended and dental dental dental intakes, dental school intakes as well capped. do you think those intakes should be capped? >>i capped? >> i think you have to find a way of managing the flow of recruits into the system, making it affordable to actually study and having finance in the hospitals to be able to afford to employ the staff, because that's another issue too. my local hospital recently had £150 million deficit on in its budget

because the demand is so high and the lack of money from the government. and so there's a big complex the heart complex here at the heart of this aren't going to this is people aren't going to be nurses and doctors and we need them. and with an ageing society, more. we society, we need it more. we need find some way of going need to find some way of going back circle where back to a virtuous circle where people do the study. working class particularly we class people, particularly we get study, become get in, do the study, become great nurses and great doctors. >> what the other point >> what was the other point you wanted? >> what was the other point you warwell, just going to say >> well, i was just going to say it was it was the labour party under tony blair, which again, john will remember, they introduced these ability for just who to just about anyone who wanted to go university, to go to university, to go to university and to be funded by the i just want to the state. and i just want to enumerate it. know, every enumerate it. you know, every year about £20 billion year there are about £20 billion worth of student loans handed out and every year about 8 to £9 billion worth of student loans are written off. so there's a hell of a lot of forgiveness because because the coalition policy was stupid. >> there's a of a lot of >> there's a hell of a lot of forgiveness going on. >> and pursuit the coalition policy of trebling tuition fees to 9000 and then changing the interest rates so that the highest rate marginal

highest rate of marginal taxation in country is taxation paid in our country is paid people in their but paid by people in their 20s. but theissue paid by people in their 20s. but the issue , the fundamental issue the issue, the fundamental issue here should be the highest tax should paid by highest should be paid by the highest paid. fundamental here paid. the fundamental issue here is are is that far too many people are going university the going to university and the state picking far too big state is picking up far too big a tab for people who shouldn't be the university system. in be in the university system. in the first place. >> to university. three >> going to university. my three out of four and it could go to university if the if people university if a if the if people who could genuinely benefit from a university education and could affect the economy in a positive way aftennards. >> you sound like you sound like a you sound like a communist to me. >> state planning. let's bring back state planning. >> planning. >> planning. >> want pick you up on >> i want to pick you up on that. >> no, i mean, you dumbed down the educational system. if everyone to university everyone can go to university and you've got, you and that's what you've got, you you've just said out of you've just said three out of four kids. four young kids. >> to university. >> you are going to university. why >> and what tony blair >> and that's what tony blair got wrong. got it wrong. >> why? because so , so many of >> why? because so, so many of ourjobs >> why? because so, so many of our jobs now and >> why? because so, so many of ourjobs now and in the >> why? because so, so many of our jobs now and in the future are knowledge rich jobs. they're jobs that require skills, advanced skills. they require t

levels. they require beyond t levels. they require beyond t levels. they require a level up to higher education to actually do and execute those jobs . and do and execute those jobs. and more and more of the routine jobs. more and more of the routine jobs . first, we've had the blue jobs. first, we've had the blue collar routine jobs eliminated by and now we're getting by robots and now we're getting the white collar jobs being eliminated. john. it has to move . move up the value . we have to move up the value chain. time. chain. we spend more time. >> it's a nice to have, >> it's a it's a nice to have, but we haven't moved up the value chain because we have unbridled migration to value chain because we have unbr all d migration to value chain because we have unbr all the migration to value chain because we have unbr all the jobsnigration to value chain because we have unbr all the jobs which onto value chain because we have unbr all the jobs which you) value chain because we have unbr all the jobs which you keep take all the jobs which you keep getting told brits aren't prepared to do. it's great. >> i think it's a great matter of celebration. we've had 1 million, 1.1 million people come to our country in the last. >> see that matter >> you see that as a matter of celebration 6.2 million celebration with 6.2 million people universal credit to people on universal credit to a greater or lesser extent, 2.5 million actually million people, brits actually not even seeking a job. i see that as a fundamental breaking of the labour market. well, i'll tell you, it be a fundamental breaking of my show if i don't go to the break. >> lots of interesting debate there. some interesting points to pick back up on, sure. to pick back up on, i'm sure. but will take a quick

but for now, i will take a quick break. back, lots break. when i come back, lots that want talk to you that i want to talk to you about. private schools. should those have 20% them? those fees have 20% vat on them? also been going also gb news, what's been going on? suspending suspensions of presenters calls for the channel to be shut down. and we'll get into that before the end

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you. tall seven. the ceo of first property group and now a member of the reform party, ben habib , and former party, ben habib, and the former advisor to tony blair, john mcternan . welcome back everyone. mcternan. welcome back everyone. we've just been talking about knife start of the knife crime at the start of the programme and leon, i found your email very interesting. i can't read all out because was read it all out because it was quite he is. he says quite long, but he is. he says he's a black man . he talks about he's a black man. he talks about the black community. he's saying that many young black boys, he says they are disillusioned . says they are disillusioned. he's talking about valuing the need to value education. an you know, ambition lacking in

ambition . it's a really ambition. it's a really interesting email that you send to emily million. i want you to know that i've read that with great interest. and i wonder if, you know, what is there in there because know, help because you know, i cannot help but often when you do see but notice often when you do see the the perpetrators the pictures of the perpetrators or are very, very often as well , sadly, the victims now , very , sadly, the victims now, very often they are they do seem to be young, black children. so, leon, i think your point is a very interesting one that you make there . yes, says john, we make there. yes, says john, we should be contracted , forcing should be contracted, forcing gps to work in the nhs for a penod gps to work in the nhs for a period of time. he reckons they're taking the mickey by not doing so , dennis says, well, doing so, dennis says, well, maybe other countries have a mix of private and public health care better than we do, and that's more appealing to some of the nhs staff, dave says degrees are pretty much worthless now unless for various top jobs . unless for various top jobs. john was just saying he thinks three out of four young kids should go to university. if you ask me if that's not devalue doing a then i don't doing a degree, then i don't know what is . surely gps . gps

know what is. surely gps. gps and nurses should train here and move to australia. then they can't practise over there unless they've done the similar training required in that country. well, i suspect that there's a lot of common similarities. a little bit similarities. maybe a little bit of extra training. i don't really know the answer to that. if a doctor or nurse if you are a doctor or a nurse thatis if you are a doctor or a nurse that is moving australia, get that is moving to australia, get in touch and tell me how that works. but now i want to works. but for now i want to talk to you about vat private talk to you about vat on private school fees. lots of conversation about this. the labour that is labour party has said that he is keir is committed keir starmer is committed to putting vat on those putting this vat on those private school fees, but there was this whole notion about whether or not private schools should be a charity or not. there's a u—turn on that there's been a u—turn on that particular policy . there's been a u—turn on that particular policy. i'll there's been a u—turn on that particular policy . i'll start particular policy. i'll start with you on this, john mcternan because it is a labour or labour thing, do you agree with this 20% vat on the fees ? 20% vat on the fees? >> yes, i do and i think it's a good way of financing an increase in spending on private primary schools and secondary schools in the state sector. i think it's a good piece of redistribution and good taxation

is redistributive. also is redistributive. i'm also really pleased that the crazy nofion really pleased that the crazy notion of removing charitable status has been dropped. i think once you start meddling with charitable status of schools , charitable status of schools, you don't know where that ends because you know, education has been charitable purpose since been a charitable purpose since the age of the tudors . and i the age of the tudors. and i think changing english law that's long, that's lasted that long, charitable laws last that long that's lasted that long, charitetakeaws last that long that's lasted that long, charitetake you last that long that's lasted that long, charitetake you a|st that long that's lasted that long, charitetake you a very at long that's lasted that long, charitetake you a very long1g that's lasted that long, charitetake you a very long time. would take you a very long time. and to make and you're bound to make mistakes it. yes, mistakes about it. but yes, it's fair find money for our fair to find the money for our state taxing people state schools by taxing people who are wealthy enough to spend. i mean, there philosophical i mean, there is a philosophical contradiction in what you've just said , because if you if just said, because if you if you're not prepared to remove the charitable status because you fulfil proper you believe they fulfil a proper charitable function, there shouldn't be value added tax on the fees. >> i mean , you can't have you >> i mean, you can't have you can't argue for one. and that then you can put vat on then you you can put vat on whatever service you want. >> vat is for charity. the tax that, you know, charity charities do, do, do pay vat. it's vat is a tax to bring a receipt in to pay for the

primary schools. the charitable status exists for all kinds of other educational institutions, for universities or for nurseries are paid for. in nurseries that are paid for. in this case, we're saying there's a sector which is privileged, the private sector and the sector in which people pay substantial amounts of money, particularly highest substantial amounts of money, particofirly highest substantial amounts of money, particof the highest substantial amounts of money, particof the of highest substantial amounts of money, particof the of the highest substantial amounts of money, particof the of the education level of the of the education system. and that there's it would fair to raise a tax on would be fair to raise a tax on it that can go to relieve the pressure on. pressure on. >> pressure on. >> i mean, you won't be surprised, john. i completely disagree you. i think it's disagree with you. i think it's a it's typical labour this instead of working to improve the state system , what they wish the state system, what they wish to do is tax the private sector and which will undoubtedly cause pressure on the private sector damage. some of the best schools that we have in this country, in the world. and i'm not too worried about the eatons and the winchester's and the rugby's and so on of the united kingdom, because they have a brand and a capability to go on performing whatever happens. what they will do, though, by the way, john, if they do have to levy these extra

fees, deny places to british fees, is deny places to british born students who increasingly can't afford it because we're a poorer and poorer country as a result of the kind of redistributive tax system that you like, we get poorer and poorer every year and they will take in more foreign students so there'll be less british students going through the best pubuc students going through the best public schools in this country and the best private schools in this and we'll get more this country. and we'll get more foreign students. but the real impact, real impact here is impact, the real impact here is going to that massive going to be in that massive middle private middle ground of private education, which benefits so many people in the united kingdom. you know, the british citizens . and they won't be able citizens. and they won't be able to afford it. and the notion that you're going to collect what keir starmer thinks, he's going to be able to do so by levying this tax will be flawed. as we know from all. hi high levels of tax you collect much less than you forecast. you're going to collect and the other nofion going to collect and the other notion that the government will be morally sort of virtuous and

use the money that it's got to go into the state system is completely flawed . what will completely flawed. what will happenisit completely flawed. what will happen is it will go into the massive vat cauldron that the that exists in the labour party and it'll just be used and spent and it'll just be used and spent and wasted. >> the funny thing about this is that his last budget , jeremy that his last budget, jeremy hunt, actually put put a figure on what the vat on private schools would raise. labour have always had a figure, but jeremy hunt put a higher figure on it. so jeremy hunt's confirmed that treasury. but jeremy hunt is a socialist . socialist. >> f“ m wm w- socialist. >> is a tax and >> jeremy hunt is a tax and redistribution. he's a borrowed tax and spend definitely through the looking glass because jeremy hunt, a socialist, he is apparently have said that apparently labour have said that it's policy to end private schools, and schools, charitable status and other the rest of other perks and all the rest of it would would raise £1.7 billion. >> right. but where you're going to take these kids out of these private schools, because this is i see this as a tax on aspiration . it is not a tax on aspiration. it is not a tax on wealth . wealth. >> it's not a tax on.

>> it's not a tax on. >> well, let me tell you why i think it is because this is not a tax on wealthy people, because if someone's truly wealthy, john, on school fees, they john, 20% on school fees, they neither nor there. there'll neither here nor there. there'll be the eye. they be a blink of the eye. they don't so it's tax on don't care. so it's not a tax on those guys. they don't care about it. what you're to going do going to attack do is you're going to attack the people really scrimped do is you're going to attack the pe0|scraped, really scrimped do is you're going to attack the pe0|scraped, who've lly scrimped do is you're going to attack the pe0|scraped, who've madeimped and scraped, who've made compromises lives. compromises in their own lives. these they're not your these parents, they're not your wealthy or, you know, whatever. you've 12 houses and this you've got 12 houses and this and your hard and that. they're your hard working middle income people who've sacrifices to give who've made sacrifices to give their a better life than their child a better life than their child a better life than the that they have had. the one that they have had. those children now will more than likely , lots of them, i than likely, lots of them, i imagine, will have to now be taken out of those private schools. you're going to schools. so you're going to disrupt the child's education and then and you're going to then put that child into state that child into to a state school. so you're to going be costing money costing the state more money than would have been costing than you would have been costing them, because now you need to provide that for provide that school for that thing. what . the thing. and i just for what. the rhetoric, particularly from the tory government and you've echoed some of it there, the rhetoric and the notion that every parent who sends their

child to a state school lacks aspiration is contained. >> no, that wasn't that was absolutely it's absolutely contemptuous said at all. >> people talking about you said you said no, you you saying you can't you can't you you you you're claiming vat which you're claiming this vat which is a fair tax and a very collectable tax, a fair tax on on, on a purchase . on, on a purchase. >> a purchase of an education that fair tax. you're claiming that's a tax on aspiration? yes. you're saying you're saying you are saying by implication that anybody whose kid goes to a primary school has lacks aspiration, lacks aspiration, mental? >> well, that's what you're saying. >> that is like you both saying astonishing leap. i'm not saying that at all. what i am saying, the assumption should be exposed . well, luckily for me, . i well, well, luckily for me, i you here to expose my i have you here to expose my assumptions, my service, my service . yeah, sure i am service. yeah, i'm sure i am very welcome that not very welcome that is not what i am saying. >> welcome. >> you're very welcome. i wouldn't suggest for a nanosecond , ed, that any parent nanosecond, ed, that any parent that sends their school child to stay at school, whether it's by

choice or necessity, lacks ambition for their child. >> that would be an horrendous thing to say. would be thing to say. it would be inaccurate and it would be downright offensive. and insulting wrong. not what insulting and wrong. not what i'm saying at all. i'm not talking about them. i'm talking about the people that look at a private school and say, you know what, that is the best outcome for my child. because let's face it, compare private it, when you compare private schools a lot state schools with a lot of state schools, you're going to get a better if you send your better outcome. if you send your kid to private school. kid to this private school. that's me being unfair. that's not me being unfair. >> our incredible in our >> in our incredible in our incredibly class ridden and unequal society, people are trying to purchase class advantage . advantage. >> and i understand that's what they're doing. but it's got nothing do with aspiration. nothing to do with aspiration. and tax it too. and it's right to tax it too. john in the pursuit of john but in the pursuit of self—betterment is a an self—betterment is a is an inherent human instinct. >> and to dumb that down is replacing aspiration with dependency. >> well, all views welcome on gb news, including yours at home. what do you make to the different opinions that you're heanng different opinions that you're hearing on this topic ?

hearing on this topic? vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get hold of me . quick break. get hold of me. quick break. when i come back, i want to talk about us gb news. we've inadvertently become the news over the last couple of days. we'll be looking at it after the

break hi there, michelle dewberry brit school 7:00 tonight alongside me remains ceo of first property group, our member of reform uk, ben habib, and the former advisor to tony blair. john mcternan. phil says yes , of mcternan. phil says yes, of course we should introduce vat to schools. we have to private schools. we have equality into us. yet equality drummed into us. yet how can our society be considered equal when people with wealth can buy privilege and membership of the old boys network? you say give the education budget to the private sector all of our kids can sector so all of our kids can benefit . i sector so all of our kids can benefit. i don't sector so all of our kids can benefit . i don't quite get that benefit. i don't quite get that last line, but your first bit, i understand. and your point, joe

giles says, no, do not do this enough already. pete says this is a disgraceful policy based on jealousy . starmer is busy trying jealousy. starmer is busy trying to level down lots of opinion. what's next, says suzanne, is labour are going to start adding even more things like extra vat or whatever to people who have to pay a private health care fees. all of this is a tax on ambition. there you go. you keep your thoughts coming in. now, as your thoughts coming in. now, as you might have heard, unless you've under a rock, quite you've been under a rock, quite frankly, it's all been going on when it comes to gb news. it's not been the greatest of few days. i'm not going to lie. we've had to gb news presenters suspended. you'll be familiar with that story by now. it was, of course, surrounding conversations that took place on one of our programmes. a couple of nights ago. i have to say an investigation is ongoing within the channel, so no conclusion ons have currently been reached . ons have currently been reached , but nonetheless a huge conversation has commenced about

gb news. one of the most interesting things i noticed last night took place on the bbc on their newsnight programme. i'll just play you it. i think there is a delicate and important broadcast ecology in this country . this country. >> we i think you know gb news is trying to bust that ecology. and frankly, what ofcom should do is shut it down like it shut down. rt . now these calls to down. rt. now these calls to shut gb news down, they are coming from lots and lots of different places. >> people . there are a lot of >> people. there are a lot of people out there that don't like gb news and you know, it's not for everybody . i don't think for everybody. i don't think everyone should like absolutely everything. i believe passionately in media, plurality and i wonder what's your thoughts , ben, on some of the thoughts, ben, on some of the stuff that's been going on? well, first of all, i just want to say how brave it is of gb news to be prepared discuss news to be prepared to discuss the that people the existence threat that people like adam boulton would like to visit upon. >> it's terrific >> it. i think it's terrific that have the courage sit that you have the courage to sit here have discussion here and have this discussion

often, wouldn't often, you know, you wouldn't see properly on see that happening properly on the and for adam boulton to the bbc. and for adam boulton to compare gb news news to russia today , the abolition of it being today, the abolition of it being allowed in the united kingdom , allowed in the united kingdom, russia today in march 2022 was because russia invaded ukraine. what happened on gb news is that one of your guests . said one of your guests. said something very rude about another woman. nothing illegal. >> he is a presenter. lawrence watson yeah, yeah. >> but he was he was coming on as a guest. but it was disgusting what you said. whatever. well, it wasn't illegal. well, it wasn't an invasion another country. invasion of another country. and for that's not. for adam boulton, that's not. and that's not and that's not. that's not adam boulton adam talked boulton gb news adam talked about parallel between about the parallel between aspiration. know, that the, aspiration. you know, that the, that michelle was talking about when we were talking about schools and how that's somehow implied that people who go to a state school don't have aspiration. adam boulton was unequivocally comparing gb news to russia today , which is to russia today, which is outrageous. and caroline nokes ,

outrageous. and caroline nokes, who champions the independent stance of ofcom , was actually stance of ofcom, was actually telling ofcom , be angry. no, i'm telling ofcom, be angry. no, i'm not angry. i'm passionate, i'm not angry. i'm passionate, i'm not angry. i'm passionate, i'm not angry , i'm passionate. not angry, i'm passionate. caroline nokes did instruct ofcom to shut down gb news when she's a member of parliament. she should know better. >> i know. but the thing i think. i think the thing that we have to talking at the have to we're talking at the beginning about violence have to we're talking at the begouring about violence have to we're talking at the begour streets about violence have to we're talking at the begour streets and)out violence have to we're talking at the begour streets and the violence have to we're talking at the begour streets and the role ence have to we're talking at the begour streets and the role of�*e on our streets and the role of culture in that. lawrence fox's misogynistic rant was an assault on a woman. and it's not just an on a woman. and it's notjust an assault on one woman. it's assault on one woman. it's assault on one woman. it's assault on all women to talk like that. it's right. i think it's right that what gb news did in him, it's right to in suspending him, it's right to be this. the be investigating this. the process operating properly. process of operating properly. and calls to and that's why i think calls to close news missed the close down gb news missed the point. our news channel here gb news is regulated by ofcom . it news is regulated by ofcom. it should be regulated by ofcom. people have those people have to have those standards. than that, the standards. other than that, the ecology of tv network broadcasting in the uk is there for the market to decide and if

gb news gets viewers , it gets gb news gets viewers, it gets viewers, and if it gets listeners, it gets listeners. and if it doesn't, it doesn't. and if it doesn't, it doesn't. and that is it's really, and that is why it's really, really odd to have mps and broadcasters to say a broadcasting channel should be closed down. i agree with you. i agree. i agree with you in the total difference between rmt and gb news. what i do think is utterly unacceptable for freelance fox to believe. he could say that and i thought he was condescending to the audience of gb news when he thought that he was going to get some resonance from the audience as that's worst kind as well. that's the worst kind of believe of condescension to believe that his had some resonance his misogyny had some resonance out there. >> the right now not >> the debate right now is not about the debate >> the debate right now is not abouinow the debate >> the debate right now is not abouinow is the debate >> the debate right now is not abouinow is about the debate >> the debate right now is not abouinow is about gb he debate >> the debate right now is not abouinow is about gb news1ate >> the debate right now is not abouinow is about gb news and right now is about gb news and the reaction to gb news. and i think people like think what you see people like caroline nokes, who, by the way, voted the benn which voted for the benn act, which was fundamentally to was fundamentally damaging to the of the constitutional fabric of this country. in 2019, she had the whip removed. why she's still an why she still still an mp, why she still represents conservative represents the conservative party, beyond me. one of the party, is beyond me. one of the reasons it's virtually reasons why it's virtually impossible me the

impossible for me to join the party as it is now. how caroline nokes can come on and virtue signal and want to shut down gb news. it's much , much worse than news. it's much, much worse than anything. lawrence fox said last night. because that is the dumbing down and the shutting down of free speech. so she doesn't like she thinks she has a monopoly on moral correctness i >> respectfully, ben, i think caroline nokes has the right to be wrong . i don't think lawrence be wrong. i don't think lawrence fox has the right to be a vile misogynist and spout that on television. let's just go back to the bbc for me. that's the difference. >> but obviously the channel. >> but obviously the channel. >> yeah, no, i think i think that's right. >> suspended. they've been very quick action taken. >> i think >> and i think and i think that's think that's the channel. >> i think that's the channel doing the right thing and i think think that's why it's think i think that's why it's misguided adam misguided for people like adam boulton misguided for people like adam botyou he sentence gb news. >> what did he say? he wants to disrupt whatever it was. was it disrupt? the, the, the disrupt? was it the, the, the ecosphere, the delicate ecosphere, the delicate ecosphere that's the ecology. >> that's the point . >> that's the point. >> that's the point. >> that, to me sounds basically

the way i'm shutting down free speech. protection . >> you're protection. >> you're protection. >> yeah. there's this you know, there's club here, there's all kind of club here, all this club of all this cosy club of broadcasters and they're all right know, on them. right, you know, tick on them. you're right woe betide any you're all right. woe betide any newcomer , whoever you are. quite newcomer, whoever you are. quite frankly, you're not coming into our space. oh, he's. and the reason that we. the reason that i joined gb news is because i believed passionately and i still believe with my still believe with all of my heart that that are people heart that that there are people out there in society are not out there in society who are not being represented with a traditional media as it existed then and as it existed now . i then and as it existed now. i passionately believe there is a place for gb news does that mean that we're not going to make any mistakes along the way? of course not. should we be regulated and are we being regulated? yes. and is right regulated? yes. and it is right for that to continue. i'm not to going prejudge any outcomes of any investigation , but i think any investigation, but i think it is important that we don't shy away from the tough debates, including when that involves us as a channel. so i'm sure these conversations will continue . and conversations will continue. and so they should. but for now , i

so they should. but for now, i very much appreciate your company . i appreciate yours, company. i appreciate yours, too. and absolutely .. see you too. and absolutely.. see you guys at home. thank you for watching . thank you forjudging watching. thank you for judging us yourself rather than what us for yourself rather than what you read social media. i you read on social media. i appreciate i'll see you appreciate it. i'll see you tomorrow , richard tice. up next. tomorrow, richard tice. up next. >> good evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather from met weather update from the met office most of us office for gb news. most of us will get wet overnight. some heavy downpours moving from west to some gusty winds also to east. some gusty winds also picking up for a time. all thanks to this little area of low pressure could provide some very of very heavy rain over parts of south and particular. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo and particular. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo have and particular. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo have amd particular. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo have a met|articular. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo have a met office,ar. so very heavy rain over parts of sotdo have a met office, yellow we do have a met office, yellow warning here, but also warning in place here, but also parts midlands and parts of the midlands and extending towards extending up towards lincolnshire and across to cambridgeshire and norfolk in line for some heavy line for some quite heavy downpours especially downpours, especially through the further north the early hours. further north and west. it will turn a little drier with the exception being northwest scotland where it'll stay further stay blustery with further showers as skies clear temperatures to single temperatures may dip to single figures. most towns figures. but most towns and cities stay double cities will stay in double digits . cities will stay in double digits. friday is, by and cities will stay in double digits . friday is, by and large, digits. friday is, by and large, a but early on there a fine day, but early on there will some rain still over

will be some rain still over east in the south—east of east anglia in the south—east of england fairly england should scoot away fairly smartly. of showers smartly. plenty of showers packing in over the highlands , packing in over the highlands, the western isles and the northern it'll stay northern isles, where it'll stay blustery. will blustery. 1 or 2 showers will feed in on the breeze elsewhere, but most it's a bright and but for most it's a bright and breezy good of breezy friday. good spells of sunshine the that'll sunshine in the south that'll feel quite pleasant with temperatures celsius, temperatures up to 21 celsius, mostly 16 to 18. elsewhere saturday starts a bit chilly, but mostly starts fine and bnghtin but mostly starts fine and bright in many central and eastern parts will stay that way. however out west, cloud and rain will start to move into northern ireland. parts of north and west wales and then into northwest england and southwest scotland, getting wet scotland, as well as getting wet here, more turn here, it will once more turn very gusty again.

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monday but we have a full on action packed, slightly controversial show for you. knife crime is it time for mandatory sentences for just carrying a knife? i think it may well be. then we move to , on of well be. then we move to, on of course, to working from home. the big debate, their productivity collapsing. but what about childcare costs? if you go to the office and then why is football hooliganism on the rise again, i thought we'd sorted all of that stuff and you will not want to miss the what the farage. i thought we'd left the european union. we've done brexit, but guess what? the european court of justice is still fining us. but first, it's the news with polly middlehurst . richard thank you. >> good evening. well, we start with the news that at least two people have been killed following a double shooting in the dutch port of the dutch port city of rotterdam. police say a gunman killed teacher and a local killed a teacher and a local woman