scared of gb news by running scared of gb news by calling for our channel to be shut down and will they succeed? i'll be dealing with that in my big opinion next. then my superstar panel weigh in tonight. allison pearson, lord bailey and amy nicole turner. after her bold speech in washington, dc, provokes a backlash from woke commentators . ask suella bravermans critics wrong that she is a political extremist . david campbell extremist. david campbell bannerman and narinder kaur go head to head in a lively clash is king charles a slimmed down monarchy, a race to the bottom? plus after they clock up yet more air miles in a 14 day travel spree are harry and meghan, the worlds biggest eco hypocrites ? well, lady colin hypocrites? well, lady colin campbell and phil dampier deliver their unfiltered analysis shortly . elsewhere, as analysis shortly. elsewhere, as number 10 floats the idea of taking us out of the echr should

rishi sunak just be done with it to finally stop the boats , i'll to finally stop the boats, i'll get the views of fearless former government minister ann whittaker . plus, after the eu whittaker. plus, after the eu fight ends, britain £28 million and will tell brussels where they can put that money. we'll also bring you a first look at tomorrow's newspaper. front pages and fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie reacts to the bbc's new impartiality rules as they bow down to saint gary lineker. two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment . i'll see you entertainment. i'll see you after the news with polly middlehurst . mark >> thank you and good evening to you. well, three people are confirmed to have died following you. well, three people are c(double:| to have died following you. well, three people are c(double shooting died following you. well, three people are c(double shooting in ed following you. well, three people are c(double shooting in the ollowing you. well, three people are c(double shooting in the dutch|g a double shooting in the dutch port city of rotterdam . a 39 port city of rotterdam. a 39 year old woman and her 14 year

old daughter were killed in the first shooting. a 46 year old male lecture chair was shot dead in the second incident, which took place at a university. police confirmed a 32 year old man was arrested at the scene shortly after the building went into lockdown and staff were instructed to leave. dutch police say the suspect was a student at the university where crews were also battling fires. straight after the shooting this afternoon , we had two shooting afternoon, we had two shooting incidents, one of them in a house where two people were injured . injured. >> the shooter then continued to a classroom at erasmus university. he also shot someone there. we don't know who that victim was in the classroom . but victim was in the classroom. but what we do know is that the person arrested a year person we arrested is a 32 year old rotterdam . old man from rotterdam. >> now , news here at home, the >> now, news here at home, the family of a 15 year old girl stabbed on her way to school has visited the scene where she died as crowds joined a vigil nearby . ltn arade dam was attacked as she was on her way to school in

croydon. a 17 year old boy who police say knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested yesterday morning . a arrested yesterday morning. a statement has been read out by a church leader on behalf of the family at the edge of the crime scene . scene. >> as the family are struggling to compress , send this painful to compress, send this painful tragedy that has happened to our beautiful daughter and beloved sister , our alien , our hearts sister, our alien, our hearts are broken and we are ovennhelmed by sorrow and grief i >> sir michael gambon has been remembered as a magnificent trickster and the loveliest of legends following his death at the age of 82, the dublin born star of the stage and screen who won four tv baftas , died won four tv baftas, died peacefully in hospital last night after a bout of pneumonia . he's best known, of course, for playing hogwarts headmaster dumbledore in a number of the harry potter films , as well as

harry potter films, as well as being one of the original members of the royal national theatre alongside laurence olivier. his family say he was a beloved husband and father . a 16 beloved husband and father. a 16 year old boy has been arrested after one of the most photographed trees in the country was cut down overnight. the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall and close to northumberland was made famous in the 1991 film. robin hood. the national trust has said it's shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut . down on tv iconic tree cut. down on tv onune iconic tree cut. down on tv online dab radio and the tune—in app. this is . gb news. it app. this is. gb news. it >> it didn't take long for the usual suspects to call for this place to be shut down after the airing of an interview on tuesday night in which a guest made sexist remarks about a female journalist . but following female journalist. but following the swiftest possible action

from the channel, including the suspension of two of its presenters and an ongoing investigation plus a fulsome apology to the journalist involved, media, commentators, politicians and other public figures have been calling for blood. an ad boycott is not enough for them. ofcom investigated . actions are not investigated. actions are not enough for them . bad headlines enough for them. bad headlines and blanket negative coverage are not enough for them. they want us gone. take a listen to sky news and now talktv and times radio presenter adam boulton , speaking on the bbc's boulton, speaking on the bbc's newsnight programme yesterday evening . evening. >> i have to say i think the complaints have piled up against gb news. i think there is a delicate and important taught broadcast ecology in this country. i think , you know, gb country. i think, you know, gb news is trying to bust that ecology and frankly what ofcom should do is shut it down for a rival broadcaster like adam boulton to call for the closure

of this channel is about as surprising as the news of elton john's hair loss and he's not just a rival. >> he's a classic member of the london liberal elite, the people who detest gb news so much . and who detest gb news so much. and in that clip that you've just heard, he says the quiet parts out loud . so just think about out loud. so just think about these words. he said, i think there's a delicate and important broadcast ecology in this country . i think gb news is country. i think gb news is trying to bust that ecology . too trying to bust that ecology. too right? we are, because our terrible crime is that we want to give you an alternative by the way, all three guests on newsnight yesterday called for gb news to be closed down. and i do hope the newsnight programme is not guilty of breaching ofcom rules on impartiality or diverse opinion that would be most unfortunate in the end , trusting unfortunate in the end, trusting someone like adam boulton to protect media plurality is like getting count dracula to protect the nation's blood supplies . he

the nation's blood supplies. he and many others wish to keep establishment media just the way it is. in a woke progressive bubble and he doesn't want any new media outlets to threaten his job or that of his mates at the beeb channel 4 or itv. he doesn't want a threat to their dwindling television and radio audiences , and he doesn't want a audiences, and he doesn't want a threat to the prescribed political narrative of spare me the pearl clutching from the likes of boulton, he , like so likes of boulton, he, like so many of this channel's perma critics, have a political and professional agenda to see the back of this place . in the end, back of this place. in the end, it's business. gb news is rapidly growing a strong and loyal audience and it threatens these established stars and the business model of their newspapers, radio stations and tv channels. but in my view , tv channels. but in my view, there's another darker reason why this scandal has been leveraged by those who wish us ill. they hate you. the general public, with your inconvenient

beliefs and values, ones that don't align with theirs, values that don't go down well at cafes in islington. they don't want the great unwashed to air their filthy views on net zero brexit. british history, immigration, race relations or any other issue. race relations or any other issue . now, apparently radio two issue. now, apparently radio two have also been banging on about us today. every paper you can find is talking about us tv networks. hundreds of hours of the coverage has been blanketed out. they're running scared, aren't they? as i said last night, free speech comes with responsibility as a television network that chose to be ofcom regulated from the very start. then of course, ofcom have every right to investigate what happened on tuesday in terms of adhenng happened on tuesday in terms of adhering to broadcasting rules . adhering to broadcasting rules. accountability is critically important, but calls by authoritarian journalists for this place to be shut down is an effort to silence you . our

effort to silence you. our thousands of viewers and listeners, millions , if you listeners, millions, if you include digital . did anyone call include digital. did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down after abuses like jimmy savile and rolf harris stalked the corridors of tv centre ? and what corridors of tv centre? and what about channel 4 or the guardian or the new statesman ? should or the new statesman? should they be shut down for platforming an openly misogynistic russell brand, who called bedding women an obstacle course? of course not. but don't be fooled by the crocodile tears. spare me the faux outrage and the pearl clutching from the usual suspect bad actors, weaponising this story to get rid of this place and to shrink the national conversation down to their own ends . the liberal to their own ends. the liberal elites who have the real power in this country are enjoying this story far more than they're willing to admit. they want to cancel gb news well, you can cancel gb news well, you can cancel them with your remote control . now let's get reaction

control. now let's get reaction from my top panel tonight. daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, conservative peer lord bailey, and author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner shaun bailey , your reaction to shaun bailey, your reaction to how the industry is responding to this story ? to this story? >> well, i'm disappointed . >> well, i'm disappointed. >> well, i'm disappointed. >> i was very disappointed in adam boulton, the idea that a mistake that was made like that would close the channel down is bizarre if that's bizarre to me because if that's the case, the bbc would have been 100 times over been closed down 100 times over channel 4. i mean, they'd all be in jail . you know, you can't in jail. you know, you can't make claims over something make those claims over something like that. what really like that. but what it really says, it who they are and says, it says who they are and what is. and when what their agenda is. and when he the delicate he talked about the delicate ecosystem, he's talking ecosystem, what he's talking about income and about is their huge income and the that gb is growing the fact that gb news is growing at a rate. at point , at such a rate. at some point, advertisers are to start advertisers are going to start saying to advertising saying to the advertising agencies , why are you not agencies, why are you not putting our products in front of the most people? you know , if the most people? you know, if you're the public you're a member of the public who this, here's the who watches this, here's the here's test. ask people who here's the test. ask people who don't watch gb news how much

they love the bbc. and i'll give you answer. people who you one answer. ask people who do how much they do watch gb news how much they love news and they'll give love gb news and they'll give you a very, very big answer. what is not only is what i've found is not only is gb a lot listeners gb news have a lot of listeners , they are very loyal . i , they are very, very loyal. i have a friend who's a die hard lefty who watches gb news because she says, i get some argument . she said, i learn what argument. she said, i learn what i'm arguing, always i'm arguing, what i've always been arguing against. i have another friend who, quite frankly, move in if he let frankly, he'd move in if he let him. but point here is him. but the point here is he believes and understands and here's some of his views echoed in gb news. do you know what he doesn't anywhere else ? i think. doesn't anywhere else? i think. >> i think that's a big part of the problem. >> people having opinions the problem. >> veryople having opinions the problem. >> very strongrving opinions the problem. >> very strong opinions1ions the problem. >> very strong opinions about very, very strong opinions about gb news that haven't actually watched much gb news so cherry picked clips all put together. >> correct can shine quite an inaccurate light on what we actually do here in full. we have people from novara. we have who are who are pretty much a left wing media outlet, completely on with jacob rees—mogg, where else would you get that? i think we show a lot

of different sides, but that isn't always reflected and that's these that's what leads to these massive opinions that people have of the channel as a whole. >> indeed , i wonder, though, >> indeed, i wonder, though, some would say establishment media does a very good job. the bbc, itv , channel 4, they've got bbc, itv, channel 4, they've got millions of viewers and listeners and therefore they've got no case to answer . what do got no case to answer. what do you think? >> i think that we will welcome anything that ofcom has to say, because we have nothing to hide and we welcome the regulation. that's why we've signed up to be a part of ofcom. so ofcom is not to be feared if ofcom treats everybody else , if it treats everybody else, if it treats a gb news in the way it treats every other outlet, then gb news is fine. >> like i've said before , all of >> like i've said before, all of those outlets have transgressed in far bigger ways nobody's in far bigger ways and nobody's called for their shutdown. what you're seeing is people's you're seeing here is people's political social agenda to political and social agenda to stop opinions that they can't quite get on board. if you comfortable about you've got to let the british public speak.

all of the british public and gb news is an impartial important part of spreading light on some of the opinions which i'd argue are held by the most of the pubuc are held by the most of the public but are not brought into the mainstream. alison on ofcom has looked at a few moments on gb news since it came on air. >> know we've had our collar feltz there have been investigations so perhaps adam boulton is right point this boulton is right to point this out . out. >> i first of all, mark, i'd like to say we've had hundreds of messages from listeners and viewers really saying they're definitely tuning in at nine tonight because they love the show and they love the channel. so thank you to everyone. that's amazing. all really amazing. we're all really heartened and that's heartened by that. and that's why we're here because we're speaking an incredibly loyal speaking to an incredibly loyal audience who look at the mainstream media. they look at sky news, where adam boulton presided for many, many years and see increasingly and they see an increasingly woke green agenda that they don't relate to. and what we're seeing, i think we've seen today programmes nate robinson on radio four saying that gb news

polluting the public debate and amy, sean and me you are we polluting ? we are speaking polluting? we are speaking honestly and we're off and we're expressing diverse views, but we're also expressing views on subjects that millions of people in this country hold dear. and i think this is an outrage , this think this is an outrage, this attempt to over to history quickly inflate a regrettable incident. but an incident which doesn't even compare to who can remember joe brand on radio four saying why throw a milkshake at nigel farage when battery acid is available? if anyone here said that tonight , that there said that tonight, that there would be police outside outside the door. so there is a total double standard. people on gb news. we're treading on eggshells, but there are people , as you obviously commented on the russell brand, we've got people on the krishnan guru—murthy on channel 4 news using a foul word, a word about a politician , about a a politician, about a politician. again if you did

that, it'd be dreadful . gb news that, it'd be dreadful. gb news using obscene language. so there's this appalling double standard and it's because there's a homogeneous view amongst the other channels on immigration, on net zero, on all manners of things. and the most people in this country don't agree with those views . let's agree with those views. let's look at the falling circulations and listenership. radio four today programme lost a million listeners last year. why did they lose that? because people are fed up of smug metropolitan views. >> however, to just counterbalance that, i mean, i go back to the many millions of people that do watch and listen to the beeb and itv and all the rest if news gets rest of it. if gb news gets itself in hot water, has itself in hot water, which has happened over last two happened over the last two years, amy, are these people not entitled to draw attention to that? are they entitled to that? are they not entitled to raise concerns? >> of course . and >> of course. of course. and they're welcome to and everybody . that's why we have a regulator . but. >> but about bolton? he >> but what about bolton? is he not right sort of flag up not right to sort of flag up what thinks is a lapse in what he thinks is a lapse in standards? >> i think

>> it's his opinion. i think probably what happened earlier this week is warranted to have an opinion like that. but i maintain that that incident doesn't represent our channel. but also and also, he went too far . far. >> if you're if you're some kind of newsreader, if you're a commentator, of course you're going to have an opinion on something like this. it's what drives a viewership. but for him to should to suggest that gb news should go to suggest that gb news should 9° , to suggest that gb news should go , he needs to look back into go, he needs to look back into his and by by past, his past. and by by his past, i mean sky, the past mean the past of sky, the past of bbc. fund the bbc to the of bbc. we fund the bbc to the tune of £3 billion a year, a yean tune of £3 billion a year, a year, and all we ask for is impartiality. there not always impartial. so why shouldn't they go ? and i go back to the point, go? and i go back to the point, if treat gb news the same as if you treat gb news the same as you treat the other outlets you treat all the other outlets were you treat all the other outlets werand briefly, mean, >> and alison, briefly, i mean, these as commentators are illiberal . it's extraordinary illiberal. it's extraordinary that they call themselves journalists because they want a journalistic closed down. journalistic outfit closed down. i more the merrier . i say the more the merrier. >> very actually, mark, >> it's very actually, mark, we're talking nicely about it. it's quite sinister. this isn't the of soviet union. you the form of soviet union. you don't just go the form of soviet union. you don'tjust go in and close down don't just go in and close down

an outlet for wrong, speak for wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong thing. wrong think yeah, think and wrong speak. yeah, we're here. we're not we're still here. we're not going anywhere. >> listen , by the way, >> oh, listen, by the way, i think piece the think you've got a piece in the telegraph it up telegraph about this. is it up now it is. now on the website? it is. >> it is. there you go. >> it is. there you go. >> piece. >> excellent piece. >> excellent piece. >> you check >> there you go. do you check out brilliant alison out what the brilliant alison pearson the pearson has had to say in the telegraph? be in the telegraph? it will be in the paper but online right paper tomorrow, but online right now. come is king now. still to come is king charles slimmed down monarchy, a race bottom ? royal expert race to the bottom? royal expert lady and phil lady colin campbell and phil dampier give their views shortly. but first, after her bold speech in washington, dc , bold speech in washington, dc, provokes a backlash from woke commentators asked suella bravermans critics wrong that she's a political extreme list. david campbell bannerman and nannder david campbell bannerman and narinder kaur debate that in the

weekdays from 330 on . gb news. weekdays from 330 on. gb news. >> well, the emails are coming in thick and fast. >> market gbnews.com do get them in. they come straight to my laptop and colin says hi mark. funny how it's the mainstream media who are calling for gb news to be shut down and not the public. did. channel 4 called for the beeb to be closed down after all their scandals and vice versa. they're all scared of gb news keep doing what you're doing . most of the nation you're doing. most of the nation is behind you, colin. thank you for that. if you're enjoying the show and if you're enjoying the channel show and if you're enjoying the channel, your friends. tell channel, tell your friends. tell your the your family and let's change the world together. it's now , world together. it's time now, let me tell you, first of all, by the way, important to trail ahead are royal masterminds lady colin phil dampier

colin campbell and phil dampier are with us in just a couple of minutes. our harry and meghan, the eco the world's biggest eco hypocrites. you won't believe this story . hypocrites. you won't believe this story. but hypocrites. you won't believe this story . but first, the clash this story. but first, the clash . suella braverman landmark speech in washington, dc this week has ruffled plenty of feathers after she declared that multiculturalism has failed in europe and threatens security across the continent. one of her fiercest critics has been the guardian columnist owen jones, who published a scathing article earlier today. branding braverman's speech as extreme right wing politics. i'm curious to know if owen had a similarly scathing reaction to liberal darling and former chancellor of germany angela merkel, who way back in 2010 told members of her party that a multicultural approach in germany had utterly failed and more dog whistle politics perhaps. so what do you think are suella braverman's critics wrong that she's a political extremist ? let critics wrong that she's a political extremist? let me critics wrong that she's a political extremist ? let me know political extremist? let me know via the email market. gb news.com . we've got a poll up as

news.com. we've got a poll up as well. the results shortly. but to debate this now, i'm delighted to welcome social commentator kaur and commentator narinder kaur and former mep david campbell bannerman . narinder kaur, let's bannerman. narinder kaur, let's start with you. do you think that suella braverman is a political extremist ? political extremist? >> i think suella braverman is one of the nastiest racist, homophobic upper class, poisonous home secretaries this country has ever seen . i mean, country has ever seen. i mean, she is nasty and if that was anyone else, she would have been sacked . if that was a white mp sacked. if that was a white mp saying what she says, a fascist language she uses , they would be language she uses, they would be sacked. the brownface used sacked. she's the brownface used to racist red rhetoric. she to push racist red rhetoric. she does appeal to to the the extreme right wing. that's a fact. >> narinder what you've just done there is indulge in a utany done there is indulge in a litany of racist remarks yourself focusing on suella bravermans skin colour . the bravermans skin colour. the bottom line is that she has spoken out about unsafe , spoken out about unsafe, attainable levels of migration into this country and across the

western world. she speaks for millions. >> no , she doesn't speak for >> no, she doesn't speak for millions. it's a lie , actually, millions. it's a lie, actually, because we've taken far more legal migrants than we do illegal. we've got we have signatories to the un convention. we've got legal obugafions convention. we've got legal obligations , asians and actually obligations, asians and actually the backlash , the backlog is the backlash, the backlog is just it's green, it's smokescreen . they can deal with smokescreen. they can deal with the backlog . they refuse to deal the backlog. they refuse to deal with backlog and narinda the ultra woke president , prime ultra woke president, prime minister of france, president of france, french president emmanuel macron in a tv interview this week, said we cannot accept the misery of the world. >> so is he a far right extremist to . extremist to. >> no, because he's saying france can't take them all because all you hear from. why should they? we have we are also signatories to the un convention. mark. we are signatories. we have legal obligations. signatories. we have legal obugafions.the signatories. we have legal obligations. the world, the un convention themselves have rebuked what suella has said. they have said we do not need

any kind of reform . britain has any kind of reform. britain has any kind of reform. britain has a backlog. it's embarrassing that suella of them went to america and embarrassed us. okay >> david campbell bannerman is suella braverman a political extremist ? extremist? >> absolutely not. no i thought it was a very brave and balanced speech.i it was a very brave and balanced speech. i have to say. attacks on her that sounds like extreme what lorinda has just been saying . they sound incredibly saying. they sound incredibly grim and, you know, it's very , grim and, you know, it's very, very reasonable point . get out. very reasonable point. get out. the refugee 1951. it's very old. it's out of date . he's the refugee 1951. it's very old. it's out of date. he's uh, the refugee 1951. it's very old. it's out of date . he's uh, he's it's out of date. he's uh, he's pre rona all of that. and on multiculturalism as well she was right . i multiculturalism as well she was right. i believe multiculturalism as well she was right . i believe in right. i believe in unilateralism . one culture that unilateralism. one culture that embraces all of our differences . and you know, we are one entity and that is a much healthier approach rather than

have lots of ghettos which seem to be arising as they have done in america and all around the world. so i think it was an excellent speech and i think it's appalling to be attacking her as an extremist in such an extreme way, to be honest . extreme way, to be honest. >> it strikes me, david, that many of the attacks on suella braverman are in themselves racist. she gets described as not a proper person of colour or even horror of horrors, a coconut . david well, i think coconut. david well, i think thatis coconut. david well, i think that is deeply insulting and it is racist. >> and you know, some of these people think they can't be racist if they're attacking white people or whatever . well, white people or whatever. well, i'm sorry, you've got another thing coming that is racism . um, thing coming that is racism. um, it's deeply unacceptable and, you know, we've got to actually discuss these enormous issues very calmly and rationally and not go over the top when someone comes up with sort of a reasonable interpretation . an reasonable interpretation. an you can debate that. certainly but the problem we've got is a

not, as i call it, of human rights laws . echr this refugee rights laws. echr this refugee convention, the human rights act that tony blair brought in, the fundamental charter of human rights, the eu has added , you rights, the eu has added, you know, right to a job. that sort of thing. you know, that's the problem. we have this not and we've got to address it and untangle that knot. >> indeed . what about all the >> indeed. what about all the conflict we saw a year ago in in leicester , which rather leicester, which rather contradicts the idea that multiculturalism is working beautifully narinder with ethnic groups at war. >> oh, come on, mark. that's one incident that every single community can have. you're picking on one thing, and that's deeply unfair . picking on one thing, and that's deeply unfair. i'm from leicester. lived in leicester. i've lived in leicester. i've lived in leicester . we have hindu leicester. we have the hindu community, muslim community, community, the muslim community, the the the sikh community and the christian community. we all get the sikh community and the chriandl community. we all get the sikh community and the chriand david,|unity. we all get the sikh community and the chriand david, actually,e all get the sikh community and the chriand david, actually, shalljet the sikh community and the chriand david, actually, shall it on. and david, actually, shall i tell you what the problem is in this you've got 2 this country? you've got 2 million unemployed can't million people unemployed, can't work, guess work, won't work. and guess who does immigrants does them jobs. the immigrants come those jobs because does them jobs. the immigrants com knows those jobs because does them jobs. the immigrants com knows we hose jobs because does them jobs. the immigrants com knows we needjobs because

does them jobs. the immigrants com knows we need the because god knows we need the immigrants. and you are sat there saying what you said there saying that what you said was it wasn't brave what was brave. it wasn't brave what you stupid . the you said. it was stupid. the woman is stupid and cruel. >> david, last word . >> david, last word. >> david, last word. >> well, i'm sorry. let's have a rational debate. actually, as soon as you attack people, you've lost the debate and surrender. you've lost of the bait and try and debate on facts . and, you know, and actually address and women . address and women. >> she attacked gays and women . >> she attacked gays and women. >> she attacked gays and women. >> david, i'm sorry. >> she attacked gays and women. >> david, i'm sorry . you know, >> david, i'm sorry. you know, i'm sorry. you know, you're attacking people. that's all you do on the left. you you just attract attack people and you don't actually address the issues. and that's why you keep losing and you losing david and david, you keep saying miranda, miranda, you'll have your moment i >> david, finish your point. and then dorinda, you can come back i >> well, as i say, let's just have a rational, fair debate and not attack each other personally, as in this is done. and, you know, i think it was a

brave speech. look at what she said and take issue with any of those points she made . but, you those points she made. but, you know, let's have a proper debate and not just, you know, jump and notjust, you know, jump back into cancel culture and banning everything . banning everything. >> okay. narinder briefly , if >> okay. narinder briefly, if you can, i think your argument is weak. >> you haven't got a leg to stand on. and the fact is, we british like to help vulnerable people. we are not about cruelty and putting down gays and women . those people's lives are at risk. we help those people. okay we're losing the line. >> surinder nerina, thank you very much for joining us. nannder very much for joining us. narinder kaur and former mep david campbell bannerman . thank david campbell bannerman. thank you well, what do you you both. well, what do you think? who do you agree with? ah, suella braverman's critics wrong political wrong that she's a political extremist? twitter extremist? robert on twitter says to me she seems to be a realist more than an extremist, although most people, realism although to most people, realism is extremism these is probably extremism these days. henn says she's just another lying politician in chris says everyone i know is an extremist. if that is the case

and your verdict is in, 75% of you agree that suella braverman is not a political extremist. 25% say she is coming up. should rishi sunak be done with it and take britain out of the oecd to finally stop the boats ? finally stop the boats? political firebrand and former government minister ann widdecombe weighs in soon. but next up is king charles's slimmed down monarchy or a race to the bottom? plus i love this story. after they clock up yet more air miles in a 14 day travel spree are harry and meghan, the world's biggest eco hypocrites lay d colin campbell and phil dampier are next. and let me tell you, sparks will

isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930 . is suella bravo six till 930. is suella bravo and a political extremist . and a political extremist. >> emails are coming in thick and fast. market cbnnews.com. hi. mark says hi. gary suella braverman is absolutely correct regarding multiculturalism and that it's failed the country . that it's failed the country. born and bred in bradford, having worked or lived there for over 60 years. unfortunately i can tell you there is massive ghetto ization across all of the city, christine says. too many people misunderstand braverman's use of multicultural. it has two almost opposite connotations. juue almost opposite connotations. julie says. mark suella is a breath of fresh air. thank goodness there's one voice of reason in this government. and last but not least, airing the

idea that gb news should be closed down, says jimbo, is absolutely outrageous. keep up the good work and face down these totalitarians. i've got to say i've got a lot of emails coming in in support of the channel. you are the most loyal audience we could hope for, and i can only offer you two words. thank you . and we do come on the thank you. and we do come on the way . but first, it's time for way. but first, it's time for royal experts lady colin campbell and phil dampier. royal experts lady colin campbell and phil dampier . and campbell and phil dampier. and after only a handful of the most senior royals made it onto the buckingham palace balcony at the trooping of the colour. this earlier this year, king charles could be preparing to slim down the monarchy even further. that's according to the king's former butler, grant harold, who said in an interview this week. charles has very carefully and dignified , slimmed down the dignified, slimmed down the monarchy to what he classifies as the core family. and that will only get smaller as, sadly, his royal cousins die off. but phil , let me his royal cousins die off. but phil, let me start his royal cousins die off. but

phil , let me start with you, if phil, let me start with you, if i can. is the king's slimmed down monarchy a race to the bottom after all, the royal family is supposed to be opulent . it >> yeah. good evening. good evening, mark. >> um, i mean , we've got a sort >> um, i mean, we've got a sort of slimmed down royal family by default. >> haven't we got prince andrew in disgrace? we've got harry and meghan who've decamped to california . california. >> so grant is absolutely right. once the likes of the duke of kent sadly leave us, they are going to be short of people. and i think we've got the monarchy slimmed to what you know, slimmed down to what you know, it be slimmed it can't be slimmed down anymore. princess anne anymore. and princess anne actually gave an interview about this which this earlier this year in which she that from her point of she said that from her point of view, thought it would be view, she thought it would be slimmed and slimmed down quite enough. and i think she's right. i mean, the days the queen and prince days of the queen and prince philip having 1500 patronages have gone. we're not going to see anymore. got see that anymore. we've got william kate others william and kate and others just concentrating few core concentrating on a few core issues, whether that's the right thing or not to do. i'm not not so you really can't so sure. but you really can't slim more slim it down much more because we've only got four people. we've now only got four people. william and kate and edward and

sophie, working royals sophie, who are working royals who are under 72. >> it's asking a lot >> right. and it's asking a lot of the prince and princess of wales, isn't it, lady c, do you think the king is guilty of penny pinching . penny pinching. >> i think he's guilty of stupidity . stupidity. >> if you don't mind my putting . exactly, because the fact of the matter is, i have been saying for over 20 years now that charles's idea of slimming down the monarchy is unworkable . anybody who does any charity work in this country knows that most of the work that the royals , both the senior and the junior members do is behind the scenes, 98% of it is never reported upon. and charles seems to be heading in the direction that only what appears in the media should be validated and everything else should be ignored . and i'm sorry, it is it ignored. and i'm sorry, it is it is unworkable. we are not

denmark and we are not sweden. i mean , denmark is half the size mean, denmark is half the size has the population, half the size of london. and can fit into london with maybe a little bit of leftovers. you know, we're we're a much bigger country and there is a real need for the royals to continue doing the on unpaid charity work and supporting the ordinary people, whether it's the schoolteachers , the mayors, local government, you know, most of what they do is never reported upon. and it is never reported upon. and it is a big mistake to think that that doesn't count. that is the backbone of royalty, because thatis backbone of royalty, because that is what makes people in this country feel that the royals are worth having if it's about photo ops , i'm afraid about photo ops, i'm afraid i agree. i do not want a lady see,

i'm with you on this. >> i don't want a tesco value monarchy, but it looks like we're heading that way. or waitrose is essentials now, after flying to dusseldorf to attend the invictus games and then jetting off to portugal on a top secret romantic getaway , a top secret romantic getaway, harry and meghan have clocked up a whopping 19,000 air miles over just 14 days. that is despite the eco conscious couple often lecturing the public about the need to take action to protect the environment. phil you couldn't make it up . couldn't make it up. >> no. you couldn't make it up. ihave >> no. you couldn't make it up. i have to be honest, though, marking the grand in the grand scheme of things, this is not their worst offence. don't think mean. were mainly mean. think. these were mainly scheduled they scheduled flights. they were flights anyway , flights that were going anyway, so you couldn't really criticise him to going wellchild him to going the wellchild event in london. that was a good call with public the great unwashed proletariat . yeah. with public the great unwashed proletariat. yeah. and with public the great unwashed proletariat . yeah. and the proletariat. yeah. and the invictus games, of course they were a big success. so i don't think criticise them too were a big success. so i don't think they criticise them too were a big success. so i don't think they then cise them too were a big success. so i don't think they then went hem too were a big success. so i don't think they then went onn too were a big success. so i don't think they then went on to 00 much. they then went on to portugal and makes you wonder

whether they spent time. it hasn't confirmed with hasn't been confirmed yet with princess eugenie, who still makes you wonder whether she's going to be used perhaps as a bit of a sort of henry kissinger type between with type figure, a go between with the , do you think the royal phil, do you think that this couple are going to turn the corner in terms of their branding? >> think there are some >> do you think there are some any uplands for them? and if so, what could it be that what story could it be that would move the dial? how do they fix this pr nightmare ? well, if fix this pr nightmare? well, if i were them, if i were advising them, their pr people, i would try and get , first of all, a try and get, first of all, a reconciliation with with meghan's father. >> i think that would be a great opportunity to be seen with thomas that's too thomas markle before that's too late . i gather they now late. i gather they are now cooperating with the press a lot more, doing more, which they weren't doing before. they weren't before. they said they weren't going to cooperate with the british press, but apparently they dusseldorf . so they were in dusseldorf. so there they there are several things they could and they were getting could do and they were getting a better press the other but better press the other week. but at think there's at the moment, i think there's so they are so unpopular in this country there's no way back country that there's no way back for them really here in the

future if for a long term future for them really here in the futcertainly a long term future for them really here in the futcertainly a longthinkr future for them really here in the futcertainly a longthink meghan . i certainly don't think meghan would welcome . i certainly don't think meghan wou ii welcome . i certainly don't think meghan woui don't welcome . i certainly don't think meghan woui don't think welcome . i certainly don't think meghan woui don't think she welcome . i certainly don't think meghan wou i don't think she wants me . i certainly don't think meghan wou i don't think she wants to and i don't think she wants to come back here. >> they've got the >> well, they've even got the americans cheesed off. what do you about the charge of you think about the charge of eco hypocrisy? lady c they would argue that they're going to germany. they're supporting the invictus games. harry is attending charity events in the uk. they're travelling and they're flying in order to make they're flying in order to make the world a better place . the world a better place. >> well, of course that's what they're going to say. and i agree with phil that at least they had the good grace to fly commercial. but the fact of the matter is, you know, why do they think that they can fly, whether by private plane or commercial, wherever they want and for whatever they want , but that the whatever they want, but that the rabble, the hype alloy you and i should actually not even go away once a year . why should we take once a year. why should we take a plane when we can maybe go somewhere 30 miles away? because

that's been their message. and it is a rank hypocrisy. and it's also extremely elitist and snobbish and think that , you snobbish and think that, you know, it's not only in britain that they're unpopular , they're that they're unpopular, they're very unpopular in america as well . and people see here seem well. and people see here seem to not understand the extent to which they are unpopular, large only because they are virtue signalling hypocrites who are publicity seeking money grubbers with nothing to recommend them except posing . except posing. >> okay , well, that's you off >> okay, well, that's you off their christmas card list. lady colin campbell and phil dampier will catch up next week , always will catch up next week, always dropping a few royal truth bombs. but coming up in the media buzz as brits face an annual bill of £6,000 a year to meet green targets. are we facing cost of net zero crisis? yes. but next, as number 10 floats, the idea of taking us

out of the echr altogether , out of the echr altogether, should rishi sunak just be done with it to finally stop the boats? i'll get the views of former government minister, the formidable ann widdecombe . plus, formidable ann widdecombe. plus, after the eu fight ends, britain £28 million and will tell brussels where they can put that money. she's

n ext next >> now the former sky news presenter adam boulton has called for gb news to be closed down. >> not to not face an ofcom investigation because we are ofcom compliant and so happy for ofcom compliant and so happy for ofcom to do their important work. no, no, no, no. he wants to shut us down. i'm disappointed adam. an to shut us down. i'm disefriended adam. an to shut us down. i'm disefriend of adam. an to shut us down. i'm disefriend of mine.1m. an to shut us down. i'm disefriend of mine. in. an to shut us down. i'm disefriend of mine. i was an old friend of mine. i was regularly on his show and he's let but he's entitled let me down. but he's entitled to his view. do you share it, mark gb news.com we've got lots of emails on this. mark gb news.com we've got lots of emails on this . how about of emails on this. how about let's have a look? i must say deb's deb says, hi mark, i've been a fan of gb news since the

start and i find it disgusting that there are whiny liberals trying to shut you guys down. don't let them win because at least this gives you least this channel gives you both sides of an argument. my marie and keith have emailed it. hello, mary . hello, keith. good hello, mary. hello, keith. good to have you on board. they say. hi, mark. we've always watched gb news since day one and please keep doing what you're doing . keep doing what you're doing. we've told about we've always told people about gb the start. thank gb news from the start. thank you, mary , for that. jill. hi you, mary, for that. jill. hi mark. absolutely great programs with many high profile and well , well respected presenters. the calibre of which is why msm want to rid you all. keep going. we watched the channel and love it. well done to you all, mick. thank you for that. well done to you all, mick. thank you for that . by the way, thank you for that. by the way, if got criticism of what if you've got criticism of what we're email that we're doing, you can email that too, i always like too, because i always like to get bit a kicking as well. get a bit of a kicking as well. it's balance. this it's all about balance. this show diverse show is the home of diverse opinions , so keep coming. opinions, so keep it coming. mark at cbnnews.com . now nile mark at cbnnews.com. now nile gardiner mckenzie are gardiner and kelvin mckenzie are coming up, but it's time now for former tory minister ann widdecombe and suella braverman

has been given the green light by downing street to float the idea of leaving the european convention on human rights as a warning shot to the strasbourg court not to block deportation flights to rwanda. ministers are confident they can overturn a court of appeal ruling in june that concluded the policy did not comply with britain's obugafions not comply with britain's obligations under the echr. but a fearful strasbourg will allow legal challenges that could lead to delays to deportation flights . so, ann, great to have you back on the show. should the plans be firmed up sooner rather than later ? should we ditch that than later? should we ditch that echr ? echr? >> well, we certainly should, but it is a complex business as we're tied into echr , not just we're tied into echr, notjust in a single treaty , but in in a single treaty, but in a whole series of treaties which specify in a complying with echr. so it is going to be a complicated process, but i don't want that to be made the excuse i would like. now rishi sunak to say right away that it is our

intention not floating ideas . it intention not floating ideas. it is our intention, our firm intention to leave echr at and he can admit that it will take a while and not to build up expectations like he did over rwanda , but instead to say that rwanda, but instead to say that this is nevertheless the direction of travel. this is what we're doing. we've had enough. what we're doing. we've had enough . i mean, that's what he enough. i mean, that's what he just needs to say to them. we've had enough. indeed >> so, however, do we not risk the opprobrium of the world if we pull out, britain becomes a rogue state? >> well, there are lots and lots of countries that do not comply with echr rulings. we are, as ever , totally wholly on that ever, totally wholly on that score. and there not regarded as a rogue state. um, you know, they're not a lesson in world opinion because they don't actually implement some of the rulings. and i think we just have to say, look, you know, we didn't bring it to this stage . didn't bring it to this stage. you know, it was brought to this

stage through the world trying, not the world actually. you basically trying to interfere in our internal policies and in our immigration policies. our internal policies and in our immigration policies . and it's immigration policies. and it's got no right to do that. so i think we just say, sorry, we're leaving. that might go organise them actually. then to review some of their judgements and to take a different approach. and that's different . that's that's different. that's different. if the threat is enough, that's fine, but i doubt if it will be with that if it will be not with that lot. >> course notwithstanding >> and of course notwithstanding ending the echr rulings are just advisory . this would be ending the echr rulings are just advisory. this would be a ending the echr rulings are just advisory . this would be a strong advisory. this would be a strong message, wouldn't it? not just from terms of the uk to the illegal drug and people trafficking gangs, but also a message to the british people that the government is serious about this issue ? about this issue? >> well, yes, it would be a very welcome message. i mean, i'm still waiting for some action somewhere that shows the government is serious . i mean, i government is serious. i mean, i did believe it was serious when it suggested rwanda, but what's it suggested rwanda, but what's it done about it? absolutely nothing at all. hung around

nothing at all. just hung around waiting on rulings in the middle of night, you know, this of the night, you know, and this sort nonsense yes , what sort of nonsense. so, yes, what i want to see is i want to see action. i don't want to hear words anymore. i don't want to hear priti patel floating. did i say priti patel? i meant suella braverman floating, leaving the echr. i don't want to see that. i want to actually see action. action. speak louder than words . i'm tired of rishi's promises . i'm tired of rishi's promises . i'm tired of suella endless pontificating on what a dreadful state of affairs the immigration system is and doing absolutely nothing about it except putting everybody who comes into expensive hotels and handing the bill to the taxpayer. that's all they're doing. >> and what are suella bravermans motivations ? is she bravermans motivations? is she out there trying to make a difference or is she auditioning for the tory leadership ? for the tory leadership? >> well, if she's auditioning for the tory leadership, i think she will be told to go home because if you're going to leave

the tory party, then you need to have a record of action, not a record of fine words . and that's record of fine words. and that's all this is. i'm tired of heanng all this is. i'm tired of hearing from them all these condemnations of the things that exist without any without any action. they got thousands of proposals, but no action. >> well, i agree with you, ann. we saw that in the brexit negotiations and what we were told we can't do that. and this treaty can't be reopened. and then, lord frost steps in and he was the man of action and he made a difference . we need a made a difference. we need a lord frost type figure to grasp the nettle well before you get too carried away by lord frost, i must point out that he is , in i must point out that he is, in a large measure, responsive for the unholy mess we've got in northern ireland. >> you know that that was the treaty that we negotiated. but the fact is that any government, any government of any country in the world can extricate itself from treaties providing they go through due process, can

exercise , can extract themselves exercise, can extract themselves from treaties. and that is what we've got to do. but to extricate ourselves from the echr and do it, not talk about it, not float it, do it, and the european court of justice has fined the uk £28 million and that was in the last few days as an eu member . an eu member. >> that's relates to our period of membership. £28 million. should we tell them where they can put that money? >> well, i might not phrase it quite like that, but yes, i think that's probably exactly what we should i mean, should we pay what we should i mean, should we pay and we do? pay the fine and what do we do? >> we don't pay the >> do you think we don't pay the fine at all? >> say a nonsense. this >> we say it's a nonsense. this isn't as if we were isn't even as if we were breaking core of the breaking the core of the agreement, which was in the nature the fuels . it was the nature of the fuels. it was the marking wrong . well, marking that was wrong. well, honestly, it's too trivial to even consider. i would just say to i would laugh actually in the eu's face, just laugh in their face and say, you know, no , go. face and say, you know, no, go. we're not paying. we're just not

paying we're not paying. we're just not paying a but the laws , paying a penny. but the laws, the law, an the law is the law. but this is a this is a technicality . and, you know, technicality. and, you know, we've just got to stand up to them. othennise they'll be forever more trying to get us on the basis of technicalities. we've got to say this wasn't serious and we're not paying you say we're not paying and you are a bestselling author . a bestselling author. >> you are a television personality. you were an extremely principled government minister and an mp that served your constituency . it's with your constituency. it's with care distinction . you're care and distinction. you're amazing on gb news and you smashed it on strictly , as has smashed it on strictly, as has angela rippon. what's your verdict on angela rippon's stint on the bbc one dance show ? on the bbc one dance show? >> well, angela is more than ten years older than i was when i did strictly and she's a much more accomplished dancer. and she does actually understand movement to music . now, i didn't movement to music. now, i didn't understand all of those things. i think this is terrific. and that high kick that angela did,

you know, was an accomplishment. mine was entertaining , but hers mine was entertaining, but hers was an accomplishment. >> can she go all the way an like you doing on the floor there ? there? >> i would love to see her win. i would love to see her win. but you know, the competition will pan out. we'll see who comes to the fore. and you know what it's like. early. too early like. it's too early. too early to yet. to say yet. >> happy experience for >> was it a happy experience for you? strictly >> oh, rather, yes . i mean, come >> oh, rather, yes. i mean, come on. it's a three months in the arms of anton du bec. >> well, listen, i'm jealous of anton, and we'll catch you next week. thank you so much for joining us. the brilliant ann widdecombe coming up. thanks, ann. former aide to margaret thatcher, nile gardiner previews how sunak will fare at how rishi sunak will fare at next week's tory party conference. but next, as brits face annual bill of £6,000 a face an annual bill of £6,000 a year to meet green targets, are we facing a cost of net zero crisis? my superstar panel returned to debate that, plus , returned to debate that, plus, i'll be speaking to fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie,

responding to the powerful voices that want to close down this place. plus, the front pages. but first, here's your .

weather it's 10:00. and this weather it's10:00. and this is mark it's 10:00. and this is mark dolan . tonight, the green dream. dolan. tonight, the green dream. that's rinsing you clean, new estimates reveal the march to net zero is costing every household in britain a staggering £6,000 a year. and

thatis staggering £6,000 a year. and that is until 2050. despite rishi sunak bonfire of green policies a six grand a year more on top of everything else. so are we facing a cost of net zero crisis? that's the big debate with tonight's panel. alison pearson, lord bailey and amy nicole turner . pearson, lord bailey and amy nicole turner. and pearson, lord bailey and amy nicole turner . and with nicole turner. and with a newfound commitment to common sense policies, including the award mentioned, net zero climbdown has rishi sunak finally found his inner margaret thatcher? well, the man who knew her best, maggie's former top aide, nigel gardiner, gives his expert analysis ahead of rishi sunaks big week at the tory party conference. also tonight, as a new ruling from bosses on impartiality gives high profile bbc presenters like gary lineker free rein to say what they like on social media. can the beeb still claim to be politically neutral ? well, fleet street neutral? well, fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie answers that in uncancel later and is it

time to name and shame mps who can't define a woman? sir keir starmer, sir ed davey and emily thornberry need no introduction . but a new campaign group aims to list all other politicians who struggle with basic biology. do we have a right to know? well, my panel weigh in. and news of awoke new male cinderella when they return shortly . cinderella with balls . shortly. cinderella with balls. i'll be crowning the final greatest britain and union jackass of the week and the first newspaper front pages are minutes away, too. lots to get through a busy hour. but first, the news with polly middleton . the news with polly middleton. first . mark the news with polly middleton. first. mark thank you. >> good evening. well, we start with news from the netherlands and three people are confirmed to lost their lives to have lost their lives following double shooting in following a double shooting in the dutch port city of rotterdam. a 39 year old woman and her 41 year old daughter were killed in the first

shooting. then a 46 year old male lecturer was shot dead at the second incident, which took place on a university campus. police have confirmed a 32 year old man has been arrested on the scene shortly after the building went into lockdown and after staff had been instructed to leave. dutch police are saying the suspect was a student at the university city where crews were also battling fires immediately after the shooting of this afternoon, we had two shooting incidents. >> this one of them in a house where two people were injured. the shooter then continued to a classroom at erasmus university. he also shot someone there. we don't know who that victim was in the classroom . but what we do in the classroom. but what we do know is that the person we arrested is a 32 year old man from rotterdam . from rotterdam. >> well, in news here at home, the family of a 15 year old girl stabbed on her way to school has visited the scene where she died as crowds tonight joined a vigil nearby. ellen arade dam was attacked while she was on her

way to school in croydon at 830 in the morning yesterday , a 17 in the morning yesterday, a 17 year old boy who police say knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested. a statement has been read out by a church leader on behalf of the family at the edge of the crime scene. >> as the family are struggling to comprehend this painful tragedy that has happened to our beautiful daughter and beloved sister, ellen , our hearts are sister, ellen, our hearts are broken and we are ovennhelmed by sorrow and grief . sorrow and grief. >> and also today, sir michael gambon has been remembered as a magnificent trickster and the loveliest of legends following his death at the age of 82, the dubun his death at the age of 82, the dublin born star of the stage and screen who won four tv baftas , died peacefully in baftas, died peacefully in hospital last night after a bout of pneumonia . he's best known of pneumonia. he's best known for playing hogwarts headmaster

dumbledore in a number of the harry potter films , as well as harry potter films, as well as being one of the original members of the royal national theatre, alongside laurence olivier . his theatre, alongside laurence olivier. his family theatre, alongside laurence olivier . his family say he was olivier. his family say he was a beloved husband and father . now beloved husband and father. now lastly, a 16 year old boy has been arrested after one of the most photographed trees in the country was cut down. suddenly, the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall in northumberland was made famous in the 1991 film robin hood . the national trust robin hood. the national trust says it's in shock and it's saddened to see the iconic tree cut . down saddened to see the iconic tree cut. down us gb news saddened to see the iconic tree cut . down us gb news across the cut. down us gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> my thanks to polly middlehurst who is back in an hours middlehurst who is back in an hour's time. tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. let's

kick off with a first look at the front pages . hot off the the front pages. hot off the press . we start with the press. we start with the independent newspaper, the eye private schools reveal plan to use loophole to avoid labour. vat charge private school head teachers urge parents to pay their fees years in advance to escape a vat charge in the first year of a labour government. i personally think that taxing any academic institution which teaches british children is a crime . but teaches british children is a crime. but it's all about opinions . what's yours? margaret opinions. what's yours? margaret cbnnews.com next up, where should we go next? let's go to the independent now get back on track . mr sunak is the headline track. mr sunak is the headline as the pm refuses 12 times to rule out a plan to scrap hs2's northern leg first revealed by the independent . it's an the independent. it's an exasperated rallying call from britain's business bosses. yes, indeed. britain's business bosses. yes, indeed . they want the prime indeed. they want the prime minister to stop dithering and to reveal the future of hs2 after he refused to say whether

he would save the next leg . a he would save the next leg. a daily express , as pm calls daily express, as pm calls excuse me, pm faces calls to ditch european courts. of course, we've just discussed this with ann widdecombe. rishi sunakis this with ann widdecombe. rishi sunak is under mounting pressure to warn the european court of human rights that britain will quit it commits to major quit unless it commits to major reforms . okay okay. more front reforms. okay okay. more front pages to come. but reacting to the big stories of the day, my top panel tonight daily telegraph columnist, she always breaks the internet. allison pearson . he's a lord now. pearson. he's a lord now. i remember when he was just a regular mr conservative peer , regular mr conservative peer, lord bailey, and the brilliant author and broadcaster originally amy nicholl. then she found love, and now it's nicole turner. listen, folks , lots of turner. listen, folks, lots of stories to get through. hard working brits face a whopping annual bill of £6,000 every year until 2050. that's right. that's six grand on top of the cost of

petrol. six grand on top of the cost of heating , food inflation, cost of heating, food inflation, you name it . cost of heating, food inflation, you name it. where are people going to find six grand? and thatis going to find six grand? and that is all about meeting green targets . and this is according targets. and this is according to a bombshell. new report, a report from the free market. think tank civitas revealed the drive for net zero will cost £4.5 trillion by 2050, despite rishi sunak recent backtrack, climate change committee has estimated the price tag at 1.3 trillion. but economist ewan stewart, who authored the report , accused ministers of spectacularly underestimating the result . it so sean, are we the result. it so sean, are we facing a cost of net zero crisis? >> look, if we're going to ask people to pursue a green agenda, the first thing that has to be done, it has to be costed properly. >> and if that cost is anywhere near £6,000 a year, it's not going to happen because people don't it. it's simple as don't have it. it's as simple as that. watching this that. anybody watching this show now , how could i add £6,000 now, how could i add £6,000 a year to your bill? >> £600 a year would be struggle. >> it's not going to happen. but the this is in

the deeper thing is this is in the deeper thing is this is in the context of we are less the context of we are one less than of the world's co2 than 1% of the world's co2 output, but we probably output, but yet we are probably the top nation in the world in combating co2. so if you are rabid for the green agenda, it's time to talk to other nations my viewers and listeners and this figure of six grand a year that could be the half of it. >> absolutely . i mean, i've been >> absolutely. i mean, i've been doing a lot of work on this and i've been talking to very leading engineers and so on. and they are they've been saying for a time they thought it was

a long time they thought it was going to be 200 grand least going to be 200 grand at least per i mean, that's per family. i mean, that's that's a conservative between now between and now and 2050, between now and 2050. it's the 2050. but but, mark, it's the numpties that brought you hs2 with spiralling costs. with its spiralling costs. they're and they're going they're back and they're going to driving zero. so it's to be driving net zero. so it's absolutely astonishing. these costs. and as sean said, it's to so little effect because even if we were to bring it about, which isn't to going be technically possible, we're still going to be making almost no impact on the atmosphere . but you're the atmosphere. but you're right, is a can you say right, it is a how can you say that we're not going have an that we're not going to have an impact the atmosphere? impact on the atmosphere? >> mean, majority >> i mean, the majority of climate scientists argue that if we emissions down, the we get those emissions down, the temperatures will stop rising because country, went because our country, if it went below the sea tomorrow, would make china a few weeks with a make china in a few weeks with a few coal fired power stations. >> is going to be replacing our emissions . and in fact, we are emissions. and in fact, we are now trading up. basically, we're buying from abroad, £14 buying things from abroad, £14 billion a year of gas from nonnay because we haven't until recently going to be drilling in our own north sea. so it's all a

con . and i and i agree with sean con. and i and i agree with sean . i think what we're going to see is what rishi sunak did last week. it was a tiny tweak to the net zero timetable, really tiny. 2030. i've been told, was always a delusional target. 2035 is probably going to be really hard to hit for electric vehicles, but what rishi sunak did is he opened the gate to the question of how much is this going to cost, then? and that's great now because every time one of these guys p°ps ”pr because every time one of these guys pops up, it'll be like, sounds lovely. how much is that to going cost? sounds lovely. how much is that to gamy cost? sounds lovely. how much is that to gamy net:? sounds lovely. how much is that to gamy net zero is a con direct >> amy net zero is a con direct quote there from allison pearson. your reaction this is why you get yourself in trouble , because let's at the , because let's look at the source for this story. >> it's a pro fossil fuel. think tank. >> when you say pro fossil fuel , how do you make that estimation ? esti m ation? >> estimation? >> oh, well, by the government paid for by they receive donations from the oil industry. they're not very open about where they get their donations from . but what has been found in from. but what has been found in the past 2013, they said something very similar. they

said, oh, net zero is going to absolutely bankrupt us, stagnate said, oh, net zero is going to absieconomy,nkrupt us, stagnate said, oh, net zero is going to absieconomy, it's|pt us, stagnate said, oh, net zero is going to absieconomy, it's going stagnate said, oh, net zero is going to absieconomy, it's going stiruinte our economy, it's going to ruin everyone's lives and leave us all in the and all shivering in the dark. and the government dismissed it. the think tank, well, were think tank, well, they were right, weren't they, as a manifesto , we've been shivering manifesto, we've been shivering in locking economy into in our locking an economy into excess reliance on imported gas. so they have been in they have been dismissed, which is also wrong. we are. >> we are. it it is going to bankrupt the country. >> we are. >> we are. >> did you say we haven't got 4 trillion tonnes of gas? >> so relying on fossil fuels further is a good let's let's be clear. >> so hold on. we're having a conversation about net zero 6000 figure is ridiculous . i'll get figure is ridiculous. i'll get to that. we're having a conversation about net zero as if it's the only concern the government has. there's our financial and physical well—being. that's why importing gas from elsewhere is ridiculous . we can it cheaper to make . we can do it cheaper to make us safer. but hold on. i want to get okay. get the okay. >> come back to you. make >> we'll come back to you. make your point. >> your figure is important,

even it's only 1.3 trillion, even if it's only 1.3 trillion, only. we getting that only. where are we getting that money that's still to get money from? that's still to get half your party, including boris johnson, your johnson, who gave you your lordship that economy lordship agrees that the economy in run will suffer more in the long run will suffer more by not reaching net zero. >> it will cost more. lord debden zac goldsmith the climate committee will be wrong. most 76% of people who voted conservative in the last election want and want to vote for net zero again until they found out the cost. the cost is not true . one cost that is true not true. one cost that is true is the cost of living crisis we're currently experiencing, which is caused on reliance on external fossil fuels. >> and we should produce our own. and it's green. >> it will go on a global >> it will go on to a global market and we'll back. market and we'll buy it back. >> won't climate change commission in this is an official government body has said we will be reliant on said that we will be reliant on fossil fuels. some proportion of fossil fuels. some proportion of fossil fuels, some proportion. >> there's your key, mix, >> there's your key, a mix, a mix that certainly doesn't include opening new oil fields. it does . of course it does. you it does. of course it does. you want to if you're winning a race, you don't slow down.

wouldn't you rather buy oil from saudi arabia? >> gas or from vladimir >> oil and gas or from vladimir pufin? >> oil and gas or from vladimir putin? it makes no difference, mark. >> it all goes onto a global market. it all goes onto a global market. we buy it back. >> not if we drill for our >> not not if we drill for our own oil and gas. it does shores. >> no, it makes no difference. >> no, it makes no difference. >> clear . you're >> amy, let's be clear. you're making sound like we up making it sound like we dig up the oil, give it to a guy, and he sells it back to us. no, we sell it to that guy, have the money, and it's also a choice. we don't have to. >> why did prefer be self >> why did you prefer to be self reliant have wind power, reliant and have wind power, which have plentiful, but as which we have plentiful, but as long didn't have turn, long as i didn't have to turn, we don't have plenty of wind power and we can't store it. >> the storage isn't available. >> the storage isn't available. >> let's raise up those green >> so let's raise up those green levies and on that story. levies and work on that story. >> be clear. let's be very >> let's be clear. let's be very clear. green power was clear. if green power was cheaper and easier, we would be doing the money men don't doing it. the money men don't care where the money care where they get the money from, they just want the money. so we could just so the idea that we could just turn all fossil fuels, turn off all of fossil fuels, that's not idea in power. that's not the idea in power. it's not true that has never been the idea.

>> it's so frustrating that you would say that challenge would say that if you challenge this figure, all the parties used on this. this used to agree on this. this shouldn't the shouldn't be a wedge issue. the fact this is a wedge issue fact that this is a wedge issue is so depressing, a wedge issue because people have woken up to it. going to bet you it's >> i'm going to bet you now it's stories like this. >> alison, make her point. >> alison, make her point. >> i'm going to bet you now labour sticking labour has said it's sticking with the 2030 electric vehicle target, they get target, not only once they get into have to into power will they have to postpone target. they postpone that target. they will not it in by 2035. i will not make it in by 2035. i will buy you a slap up dinner at a restaurant of your choice. thank you . if they actually managed to you. if they actually managed to get us into electric vehicles, all electric vehicles by 2030, what is not happening? >> mark, briefly, what are the political implications of rishi sunaks common sense? sunaks newfound common sense? alison , all his his alison well, all his his terrible poll numbers have stabilised a bit. >> i'm hoping he'll go a bit further . you know, we've had further. you know, we've had this breakthrough of honesty. now he needs to really now i think he needs to really level with the people and say we intend to do this net zero, but it's only sensible and pragmatic. to have pragmatic. we're going to have to it down. yes. pragmatic. we're going to have

to and it down. yes. pragmatic. we're going to have to and this wn. yes. pragmatic. we're going to have to and this u—turn. pragmatic. we're going to have to and this u—turn from sunak is >> and this u—turn from sunak is bad news for keir starmer. >> this laughable he saw what happenedin >> this laughable he saw what happened in in ruislip, which by the way, has never been won by conservative lives. even when tony blair was around and he's gone. oh, this is what will get me some votes. and it's pathetic. >> already polling from those red wall seats in the north of england, a lot of england, where we have a lot of viewers and listeners, is responding positively to rishi sunaks u—turn. his common sense approach to net zero disagree. >> as said , 76% it is. >> as i said, 76% agree. it is. >> as i said, 76% agree. it is. >> it's what the voters think. >> it's what the voters think. >> no, it's not. that's not what voters think. i think it's on 50. d0 voters think. i think it's on 50. do you think voters hardly a majority an extra cost of up to £6,000 as i've already £6,000 a year. as i've already said, figure bizarre. said, that figure is bizarre. and i don't know how you got to it. is it. >> is it is it three grand as we as also already said, it as we've also already said, it will more to not my will cost more to not my question i have answered your question i have answered your question a reasonable amount question is a reasonable amount extra to deal a global extra to deal with a global crisis . crisis. >> that's right. what's to stop stop crop failure. stop that. millions of immigrants coming

over the this is the climate catastrophe. there a price on catastrophe. is there a price on that? my god. that? oh my god. >> doing of woke bingo. >> this is the point. this is the we cannot deal with a the point. we cannot deal with a global crisis where we will be less than 1% wiped the world of the world's output. what we can do is reach net zero at a reasonable pace. 2030 is not it ? >> well, look, this show is the home of diverse opinion. what's it yours, mark? at gbnews.com. do let me know your thoughts. they come straight to this cheeky laptop right here. now coming up, is it time to name and mps who cannot define and shame mps who cannot define and shame mps who cannot define a woman and would you go and watch a there you go. it's true. a woman and would you go and watch as'here you go. it's true. a woman and would you go and watch as charged] go. it's true. a woman and would you go and watch as charged .go. it's true. a woman and would you go and watch as charged . also, s true. a woman and would you go and watch as charged . also, whats. guilty as charged. also, what about this? a male cinderella cinderella with balls trying to squeeze her hairy feet into that glass slipper? yes, indeed . a glass slipper? yes, indeed. a scottish ballet company is to going have a masculine cinderella . is this further cinderella. is this further proof that women are being erased by brilliant panel will debate that shortly. but next, with a newfound commitment to those policy on net zero that we've just discussed , it has

we've just discussed, it has rishi sunak finally found his inner margaret thatcher? well, next up, a man who knew her well, his former top adviser for the brilliant, fantastic nigel gardner is .

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mark at gbnews.com hi mark, says james. all electric cars are impractical for cost safety and ethical reasons . do not buy wind ethical reasons. do not buy wind power is intermittent and hopeless for a grid . heat pumps hopeless for a grid. heat pumps can never match a gas boiler performance. do not buy solar is unreliable and only good for backup. and in predominantly sunny climes, do you realise how amazingly well informed you are? i could go on, but i've got to get to my next guest. let me counter that by saying that the majority of climate scientists would argue that we've got to get those fossil fuel emissions down to order regulate the down in to order regulate the planet's temperature in order to stop the floods, to stop the forest fires. but it's all about opinions. what's yours, mark gbnews.com. now it could be argued the argued that what the conservative party needs to salvage election victory is the spirit of one margaret thatcher well, rishi sunak's wave of common sense policies in recent weeks has shown the pm has some understanding of conservative pm, at least. finally, after

idung pm, at least. finally, after idling in downing street since he took over from liz truss with a bonfire of net zero policies slashing inheritance tax potentially, and some slim success at stopping the boats behind him. rishi sunak heads into conference next week with a bit of momentum . so has he bit of momentum. so has he finally found his inner thatcher, a man who knows the iron lady knew the iron lady so well. of course, her former top aide , nigel gardiner. you've aide, nigel gardiner. you've flown in from the united states. great to see you . do you great to see you. do you identify a change not just in policy, but in tone from rishi sunak ? sunak? >> well, mark, it's great to be here this evening. and i have to say i think that sunak certainly is shifting gears significantly on a number of fronts. i think his movement on net zero was very welcome . also, the speech very welcome. also, the speech by suella braverman in washington was excellent, which won't have been made without his support, correct ? correct. yeah. support, correct? correct. yeah. it was a revolutionary speech by the home secretary. i think an outstandingly good speech here

in the states when she made it. >> how did it go down in the states? >> well, it was very well received by conservative is i think the biden ministration will have hated the speech because they're favour of because they're in favour of open borders. had open borders. you've had 7 million illegal mile crossings into the united states under the biden administration. so they will not have liked 7,000,000 in 7,000,000, correct? yeah. will not have liked 7,000,000 in 7,0!that's), correct? yeah. will not have liked 7,000,000 in 7,0!that's truly �*ect? yeah. will not have liked 7,000,000 in 7,0!that's truly shocking.. will not have liked 7,000,000 in 7,0!that's truly shocking. and >> that's truly shocking. and that's a that's a national security and economic crisis. >> it is. is absolutely vast. >> it is. it is absolutely vast. and so the biden administration, of course , will not like the of course, will not like the message coming from suella braverman. but that's a good thing. >> he fixed the problem with with all of the illegals by letting them in. >> yeah, that's that's his i mean, joe biden is an absolute disaster for fixing it, isn't it? yeah. he's a disaster for america . he's a disaster for the america. he's a disaster for the entire free world. and the united states, in effect, has an open at moment . united states, in effect, has an open at moment. and open border at the moment. and this is all due to the terrible policies of the biden administration in so bravman pushed back on that approach. >> do you think that she'll be

heard beyond and these shores you know her uk audience, her conservative supporters in america because this is a european wide problem isn't it? i mean, across europe there are parties of the right that are rising because the public have had enough. yes >> yeah. i think her message resonates on both sides of the atlantic. it resonates across much of europe as well. and i think what she's saying is common sense multiculturalism has been a huge failure. mass illegal migration poses a fundamental threat to the future of the west . and so her message of the west. and so her message was spot on in my former boss, lady thatcher would have heartily agreed with what the home secretary was saying . in my home secretary was saying. in my view, however, i do think the home secretary could have gone further by declaring that the uk would leave the european convention on human rights. echr i do think the echr is absolutely appalling in terms of british interests at and britain should leave it if it wants to

secure its borders , it has to be secure its borders, it has to be outside of the echr do you think that's coming? >> is that the mic drop moment that rishi sunak is waiting for in the months ahead? that's a great question. >> there is real divide >> so there is a real divide within cabinet. there are several who are very several ministers who are very much in favour of leaving the echr . there are others who who echr. there are others who who oppose that. i think the prime minister sort of sitting on the fence the moment. but if he fence at the moment. but if he decided that that the uk should get out of the echr, that would be a huge step in the right direction. the british people would be able to secure their own borders. they cannot do that at being at the moment while being subject to the rule of european courts . courts. >> what has precipitated this change in approach from rishi sunak? why has he become a more thatcherite figure in recent weeks? >> well , without a doubt. >> well, without a doubt. >> well, without a doubt. >> does he believe these things or is it expediency? >> that's a great question. i think without a doubt. rishi sunakis think without a doubt. rishi sunak is no margaret thatcher. but it he is clearly learning from the success of margaret thatcher and he is shifting

rightwards because that's where the beating heart of the conservative party is sunak cannot win the election unless he appeals to the grass roots of the conservative party and conservative party. grass roots want to see a british government that stands for secure borders , that stands for secure borders, that stands for secure borders, that stands for economic freedom. they also want to see, i think, a government that rejects the disastrous net zero ideology because that's going to bankrupt britain. net zero is something that lady thatcher would have fundamental opposed. she would have viewed it as big government socialist intervention in the free market. plus, she was a scientist, so she would have questioned some of the narrative around that. yeah she was very much against all this climate alarmism at the moment at and i would say that lady thatcher would have fundamentally fought against net zero and she would have viewed it as socialist style, big government intervention .

government intervention. >> what would she have made of woke? >> she would have been fundamentally opposed to wokeism we had a bit of it in the 80s, didn't we, with stifle ing political correctness? >> is on another level >> but this is on another level andits >> but this is on another level and it's infiltrating institutions. >> yeah. wokeism is fundamentally dangerous to great britain, to the united states , britain, to the united states, to the entire western world. and margaret thatcher would have fought wokeism with every ounce of her energy and she would have defeated it . and wokeism really defeated it. and wokeism really is far left, marxist driven ideology. it is hugely destructive. >> open borders , racial >> open borders, racial division. yes. and of course insane science around around genden >> yeah, exactly . the whole >> yeah, exactly. the whole transgender agenda is part of that. and margaret thatcher would have fought it and she would have fought it and she would have fought it and she would have defeated it. this is what the conservative government has to do right now. it's in charge. it has to lead. and in fighting against the far left cultural this is hugely cultural agenda, this is hugely important for the british people

. and a conservative government has to fight it and prevail and win on this. >> but briefly, has the country shifted to the left? is the thatcherite message less resonant now in 2023? >> i don't think so. i think at heart britain remains a. conservative place and just as the united states is also a conservative nation and so the british people are instinctively conservative. and i think that the lessons of thatcherism apply today and we need to see the prime minister advanced ing the legacy and the principles of margaret thatcher if he wants to win the election. that's the way to do it. you're off to conference next week. >> do you enjoy conference? >> do you enjoy conference? >> um, i can't say i enjoy it. i mean, you attend, you obviously speak and you attend a lot of events. >> and do you indulge in the apres ski as well ? apres ski as well? >> i mean, i think part of the experience this conference is an extraordinary with michael gove. it's an extraordinary series of days. but i think this

conference is important. potent, yeah. because let's face it, the future of the british people, the future of brexit is also at stake, actually with the outcome of the next election. >> yeah, well, look, nigel, great to have you in the studio. enjoy conference. if you can with michael gove and others. my thanks to nigel gardiner, former top margaret thatcher, top aide to margaret thatcher, director of the heritage foundation. margaret thatcher centre freedom . i'm coming centre for freedom. i'm coming up uncanceled after a new up in uncanceled after a new ruling from bosses on impartiality , giving high impartiality, giving high profile like gary profile presenters like gary lineker freedom to say lineker the freedom to say whatever they like on social media. does anyone believe that the bbc is now politically neutral? be asking the neutral? i'll be asking the fearless mackenzie plus , fearless kelvin mackenzie plus, i'll be asking kelvin what he thinks about the likes adam thinks about the likes of adam boulton at sky news, who wants to close down this channel plus , we'll get his reaction to the other big stories of the day. but next up in the media, buzz is it time to name and shame mps who want to quite simply define what biology is? my panel debate whether politicians who can't

define what a woman is should be listed on a public register for voters to see. do we have a right to know whether mps know what a woman is?

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our great cities are becoming . our great cities are becoming. also, the great gambon star, sir michael dies at 82. he'll be coming up later in the show. truly legendary actor. okay let's let's go now to the guardian . sunak puts car drivers guardian. sunak puts car drivers first in new election battle line. rishi sunak is to prioritise the interests of millions of car owners with a series of measures that will provoke environmental lists and kerb the power of local councils, but probably win him a few more votes. industry ties of scientists who backed eat processed food reveal and there's a surprise. it's like stealing joy. a 16 year old boy has been arrested after a 300 year old tree that stood in sycamore gap on hadrian's wall. northumberland was felled with a chainsaw. the son, a schoolgirl stabbing light of our lives. chainsaw. the son, a schoolgirl stabbing light of our lives . and stabbing light of our lives. and the telegraph sunak to block new 20 mile an hour zones. families face biggest rise in tax burdens

since records began and girl's killing call for mayor khan to focus on crime, not ulez . i echo focus on crime, not ulez. i echo that sentiment right . let me get that sentiment right. let me get my bins on and let's introduce my bins on and let's introduce my fantastic pundits tonight. yes, indeed. daily telegraph columnist allison pearson , columnist allison pearson, conservative peer lord bailey, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner . now, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. now, mps and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner . now, mps who nicole turner. now, mps who can't work out what a biological woman is will soon have nowhere to hide with a campaign group preparing to publicly, publicly name and shame politicians who claim that women can have a penis . the group plan on asking penis. the group plan on asking all mps a simple question what is a woman? and then uploading their responses online. so this lot might want to rethink their original answers . original answers. >> woman can have a penis. >> woman can have a penis. >> they come not i don't think we can conduct this debate with you. no, sorry i offended you. no, no, no. it's just. no, no,

no. i just. >> or is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? look i is it is it transphobic? >> look , i just. i don't even >> look, i just. i don't even know how to start answering these questions . these questions. >> what really bothers me, alison pearson, is when politicians who are supposed to be clever people say it's a very difficult question to answer. no, it ain't . no, it ain't. >> it certainly isn't. imagine saying to our grandparents, mark, that someone, a politician , was going to be asked, can a woman have a penis? it's a it's totally mental. but there is this very good new campaign, stand up for women, stand up for women, uk if anyone wants to find them on social media. and the great sharon davis, who's been such a warrior for women. >> absolutely and paid the price and paid the price. >> but sharon davis , viewers >> but sharon davis, viewers will remember this a wonderful olympian swimmer denied her gold medal because east german female athletes took so much testosterone that they were growing beards and they beat

her. they denied sharon her gold, now she's having her gold, and now she's having her revenge. so this very simple campaign, mark, i'm fully , fully campaign, mark, i'm fully, fully behind it. let all the mps as they can state can a woman have a penis? they can answer it. the answer will be logged and constituent voters look at constituent voters can look at the answers and decide, is this someone i want in charge of my child's education? because i hear all the time from parents and grandparents saying we feel totally about what our totally helpless about what our children are being exposed to in school . and this is the start of school. and this is the start of the fight back. we are not going to let these people impose these delusional ideas on our children. >> well , amy, this from andrea >> well, amy, this from andrea on email. >> mark at gbnews.com of course, we've got a right to know . why we've got a right to know. why would you vote for someone that is deluded if they're deluded about biological facts? what else are they deluded about? >> i think you're intent finally merging bio biology with gender.

i think it's i think it's really dehumanising. i think it's embarrassing. i think this whole list is pathetic and i don't see any i see only shameful ness for me would be not to be on the list. >> what would you answer if asked? what is a woman? >> the law ? >> the law? >> the law? >> why do you have to fall back on the law? >> what ? >> what? >> what? >> why don't you look in the mirror ? mirror? >> you think you're a trans woman? looks in the mirror. i don't understand what you're trying to. >> well, you're an adult female i >> human? yeah. so you're going to presume a woman. you're going to presume a woman. you're going to presume a woman. you're going to presume my genitalia , is that to presume my genitalia, is that what you're saying? >> well, i'm going to presume that a biological female that you're a biological female . first all, you've . okay, first of all, you've mothered child, right? mothered a child, right? >> so . and then am i? i reduce >> so. and then am i? i reduce it to that. then to be a woman, you have to be able to bear children. >> you already reduced in a sense , a doctor when you come sense, a doctor when you come out your mother's womb. the out of your mother's womb. the doctor declares your sex at that point not reduced to anything. >> women don't womb , are >> women don't have a womb, are they not women?

>> they're biological women. >> they i think if you reduce someone to a sum of their sum of their parts is really sad. their body parts is really sad. >> interrupt you every cell >> we interrupt you every cell in contains dna that in their body contains dna that confirms those females. >> checked yours? >> have you checked yours? >> have you checked yours? >> are questioning the >> why are you questioning the science now? >> think biology is >> i don't think your biology is how we live. i think your gender is biology is a fact. is how your biology is a fact. so? so what if a woman says she's a woman and that's how she lives life? why would you lives her life? why would you not respect that? >> because we know from recent experience that claiming to experience that men claiming to be women are now applying after being rapists to go into female jails. so whether a woman has a penis or not is not a frivolous question. it's extremely serious for our our spaces for female wards in hospitals, for female pnsons. wards in hospitals, for female prisons . these people are prisons. these people are dangerous and we are not, by the way, talking about genuine trans women who are fully know , fully, women who are fully know, fully, fully transitioned . we are fully transitioned. we are talking about blokes who wear a dress like the dreadful isla robson person in in scotland who

put on a pair of pink leggings and a blonde wig and declared that we agree was a female. >> we agreed at the time nicola sturgeon because scottish people thought it was appalling and ridiculous, which it was. >> how do you feel about because i look at sean and he's muscular and very handsome, very intellectual, very masculine . intellectual, very masculine. >> are you a woman? how do you feel about sean identifying as female and participating in. i don't know, women's football at the weekend ? the weekend? >> well, that that's not happening . what is that? what is happening. what is that? what is that hypothetical question? >> well said. >> well said. >> football club would be called transphobic if they rejected sean. >> sean isn't sean isn't trans, but sean identifies as a man . but sean identifies as a man. >> here's me. here's to me what's important. the public should know what mps who are making the rules that their children have to live by think so? think that the campaign is so? i think that the campaign is entirely decent because it's been done the other way around. we have made we trans activists have made

sure that people , mps are asked sure that people, mps are asked the question, do they believe in trans rights, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. so it's just a balancing of the campaign and why it's important. what brought me actually sharon me to this was actually sharon davies talked about davies when she talked about sports. involved in sports. i've been involved in sports. i've been involved in sports i've coached sports all my life. i've coached several different things . and sports all my life. i've coached several ianybodythings . and sports all my life. i've coached several anybody who js . and sports all my life. i've coached several anybody who teaches you ask anybody who teaches young girls any kind of sport, it's really hard to get teenage girls involved in sport. and then you have men and boys teleporting themselves into their world and taking away. >> do you know how hard it is for sometimes fully intact in the changing room, changing room ? >> here's my thing. they're always intact because it doesn't matter hormones you matter how many hormones you take, already had take, you've already had the benefit bones, bigger benefit of dense bones, bigger lungs. benefit of dense bones, bigger lungs . you're six foot four, as lungs. you're six foot four, as opposed to someone who don't rub it in. >> still go to the gym. amy, >> i still go to the gym. amy, what do you think, though? okay, so listen, appreciate what so listen, i appreciate what you're going to and you're going to say. and you speak you've speak for many in what you've said. okay, no problem. but what do you think about this list? is the a good thing? voters the list a good thing? do voters have right to know either way have a right to know either way what definition biology is?

>> the list is absurd. why don't you do list of the mps you do a list of the mps involved in sexual misconduct at ongoing investigations? list ongoing investigations? a list about list about money about donors. a list about money wasted. about the things wasted. a list about the things that actually matter. >> to take you up because >> i need to take you up because it's or that list. it's not this list or that list. we many lists and we can have many lists and important about this list important thing about this list as about double as well. it's about double speak. you've so many mps on speak. you've had so many mps on one hand who said, i'm a feminist, i'm for the safety of women. want to raise women. we don't want to raise women. we don't want to raise women. want to keep women women. we want to keep women safe other safe spaces. but on the other hand, said women can have hand, they said women can have penises. it's one or the other. okay, got to pick a team okay, you've got to pick a team that's so ignorant. >> final, final point at this week's democrats week's liberal democrats conference, week's liberal democrats con'menopause week's liberal democrats con' menopause solely the menopause wasn't solely a female preserve. well, as someone who's been through the menopause and suffered with it as women have, as millions of other women have, i absolute appropriate i find this absolute appropriate version female experience . version of female experience. >> yes. so would you say would you say a trans man doesn't go through menopause necessarily? >> . >> yes. >> yes. >> a trans woman claiming to be a trans man. >> that would be affecting trans men, it? men, wouldn't it? >> a trans man does go through menopause. >> presumably >> yes. presumably >> yes. >> yes. >> but that's because of trans

man, female menopause isn't solely experience . solely female experience. >> there a minority of people >> there is a minority of people that experience menopause that will experience menopause as man. as well, not a man. >> a woman. >> they are a woman. >> they are a woman. >> you're going through the >> if you're going through the menopause, you can only go through you've menopause, you can only go thro ovaries you've menopause, you can only go throovaries and you've menopause, you can only go throovaries and a you've menopause, you can only go throovaries and a lot you've got ovaries and a lot of oestrogen. yes, think this oestrogen. yes, i think this conversation takes up way too much time. >> there go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> okay, well, listen, >> okay, folks. well, listen, i've had fill of oestrogen i've had my fill of oestrogen for one shortly, my for one evening shortly, my brilliant panellists will be nominating of course , nominating their, of course, they're going to heroes and villains the looking villains of the day. looking fonnard that . but villains of the day. looking fonnard that. but coming up fonnard to that. but coming up in uncancelled, after a new ruling bosses on ruling from bosses on impartiality , he gives high impartiality, he gives high profile like gary profile presenters like gary lineker say what lineker the freedom to say what they like on social media. does anyone actually believe the anyone actually believe that the bbc politically neutral? bbc is politically neutral? please. three legend kelvin mackenzie is live on that next. plus his reaction to newsnight leading the authoritarian calls for gb news to be shut down. kelvin reacts .

n ext next >> it is time for uncancelled . >> it is time for uncancelled. and a new report triggered by gary lineker's controversial political tweets has concluded that high profile bbc presenters, including saint gary lineker, should be able to express their views on political issues as long as they stop short of campaigning . short of campaigning. >> whilst newsreaders will still be bound by the beeb's strict, impartial guidelines. presenters of flagship shows, including match of the day, the apprentice and masterchef , will be free to and masterchef, will be free to spout their personal politics to the licence fee paying public unsurprised match of the day. host lineker seems delighted with the new rules branding them as very sensible . while i'm as very sensible. while i'm delighted to welcome the eminently sensible former editor of the sun newspaper when it sold millions of copies , kelvin sold millions of copies, kelvin mackenzie, kelvin have the beeb got their house in order . here

got their house in order. here well , i mean what we're going to well, i mean what we're going to be spared now is mr lineker spelling out his views every every five minutes or so. >> he's not allowed to speak at any time , two weeks before or any time, two weeks before or two weeks after any time that he's on match of the day so that's a good thing. what is a strange thing is that this only comes out because as the reality is that it's only from the centre left who have a problem if you are of the right and you said anything at all, you would be fired by the bbc. so really this is indulging the kind of the liberal side of the bbc. so actually, honestly , they've made actually, honestly, they've made some efforts to curtail him. but the truth about the matter is that only the left have anything to say and they're going to be allowed to say it. >> yes. does it also give us a

flavour of just how powerful a figure lineker is within the bbc? >> it's a it's a very odd thing, isn't it? why does anybody care about what effectively a gold show going out on the saturday night ? why show going out on the saturday night? why did they pay him 1.2 million a year, 1.6. it is an astonishing amount of money, but literally nipping up to salford probably for about eight hours and coming back again and saying that was a good goal. that was a bad goal and astonishing amount of money. but i think we're coming to the end of lineker era. my bet is that he is. my bet is that his contract would not be renewed on both sides in a couple of years time when it runs out. >> well, speaking about the review and the resulting guidelines, kelvin, the bbc director—general, tim davie, has said we all have a responsibility to treat people with civility and respect , with civility and respect, particularly at a time when pubuc particularly at a time when public debate and discussion both and offline be so

both on and offline can be so polarised. the bbc has also important commitments to both freedom of expression and impartial charity, and this rightly extends to social media. so he would argue, and his supporters would argue that actually he's sorted out the loophole and hopefully put this drama behind him. can we talk about another drama, kelvin ? and about another drama, kelvin? and last night's newsnight , in which last night's newsnight, in which the three guests on the show called for gb news to be closed down. your reaction ? well let me down. your reaction? well let me first make my first position clear that that laurence fox , clear that that laurence fox, that was a disgrace. >> and he went far too far. okay. so that's position one. position two. in relation to the bbc's newsnight is that they have three people on there. david yelland , the former editor david yelland, the former editor of the guardian, he said it should be shut down. they had adam boulton, a kind of political commentator who used to work for sky news . he said, to work for sky news. he said, shut it down and they had a lady called no who is equality leader

for the tories. really and she said, shut it down. where was the balance of that? look, we pay the balance of that? look, we pay £159 a year, right? and actually all voices need to be recognised . and the only one recognised. and the only one they wanted to hear was actually get rid of the get rid of the station. right. and honestly , gb station. right. and honestly, gb news must be feeling very, very uneasy right now about what the future looks like. it's very, very a very, very dangerous moment, i think, for everybody and all the employees caused by laurence fox, by the way. so don't let's don't let's say it's caused by anybody else. so all i would say is that newsnight, what they say is , well, we asked what they say is, well, we asked gb news to come on. i've got a second. we knew what gb news is. reaction was they got rid of it, got rid of laurence fox, and they dumped the presenter as well . they couldn't have acted

well. they couldn't have acted more quickly . it wasn't a more quickly. it wasn't a management issue . this was an management issue. this was an individual issue. and bbc honestly , we pour a bucket on honestly, we pour a bucket on the bbc. the bbc were giving them an opportunity by gb views to have a bucket poured on them. and so, you know , they were and so, you know, they were basically getting even. >> now , of course, kelvin, you >> now, of course, kelvin, you know, we can't get into the detail of lawrence fox because an ongoing investigation is in place. you'll fully understand that. do you think gb news will will be here in a couple of years time . years time. >> i'm not sure a candid answer from a candid journalist and broadcaster . broadcaster. >> why do you say that, kelvin ? >> why do you say that, kelvin? >> why do you say that, kelvin? >> well, there's been a there's been an advertising boycott . you been an advertising boycott. you know, no , no tv station can know, no, no tv station can survive without advertising. and the media and the kind of the young kids in the media and everything have all boycott. so there isn't enough adverts to pay there isn't enough adverts to pay everybody's wages , including

pay everybody's wages, including yours. mark, unfortunately . yours. mark, unfortunately. >> oh, listen, you've got no idea how cheap i am. kelvin listen, a straight answer with a straight question. can't wait to see you in a week's time. absolute media legend kelvin mackenzie. thank you, kelvin. okay. it's time now my okay. it's time now for my pundits greatest pundits to reveal their greatest britain jackass britain and union jackass alison, your greatest. britain, a truly great actor . a truly great actor. >> yes. michael gambon, one of the real the titans of british acting who has sadly died. best known, of course, for his magnify a decent performance as dumbledore in harry potter. but he was there at the start of the national theatre with sir laurence olivier, gave some astonished, achingly subtle and beautiful performances as one of the greatest performances ever on british television. mark in the singing detective, let's rerelease it to show what an absolute genius michael gambon was completely. >> i saw him in a pub in kensington one afternoon just nursing a pint. what a legend, michael gambon, your. your hero of the day . oh, there we are,

of the day. oh, there we are, sean. next up, who's it going to be? >> mine is a rosebank oil, and gas field, newly opened the jobs, the investment and the increased energy security . what increased energy security. what a great thing for the country as we slowly move towards net zero energy security is national security. >> amy a couple of seconds, if you would. >> scottish ballet for reimagining cinderella. so some nights when the audience goes, it's a prince and other nights it's a prince and other nights it's a prince and other nights it's a princess doing the. that's right. >> you get a free lunch box. okay and how about your jackass alison? >> if it was a male cinderella, he wouldn't do the sweeping, would he? amy? my jackass. my jackass is adam bolton, former titan of who thinks titan news titan of who thinks gb news should be shut down because to preserve the ecology of channels like his own , it's of channels like his own, it's called competition. adam okay , briefly. >> sean dame diana johnson, labour mp wants to have shoot up rooms all over the country . rooms all over the country. drugs destroy communities . she drugs destroy communities. she should know better. >> okay. and last but not least, how about you, amy? >> i've gone for peter bone mp

who this morning claimed that margaret thatcher in fact closed the coal mines because she is an environmentalist . environmentalist. >> okay, listen, thank you for your company. i'm back tomorrow for mark dolan tonight. i've got saturday, sunday, monday and tuesday . love your company. tuesday. love your company. thanks it. pick a winner. thanks for it. pick a winner. headune thanks for it. pick a winner. headline is next. good evening. i'm deakin. i'm alex deakin. >> is your latest weather >> this is your latest weather update from the office for update from the met office for gb news. most of us will get wet overnight. heavy downpours overnight. some heavy downpours moving from west to east. some gusty also picking up for gusty winds also picking up for a time. all thanks to this little area of low pressure could provide heavy could provide some very heavy rain parts south wales rain over parts of south wales and so we do have a and particular. so we do have a met office, yellow warning in place here, but also parts of the midlands and extending up towards across towards lincolnshire and across towards lincolnshire and across to and norfolk to cambridgeshire and norfolk in line quite heavy line for some quite heavy downpours, especially through the hours further north the early hours further north and it will turn a little and west. it will turn a little drier with the exception being west stay west scotland, where it'll stay blustery showers as blustery with further showers as skies clear temperatures may dip to figures. but most to single figures. but most towns cities stay in towns and cities will stay in double digits . friday by and

double digits. friday is by and large, day, but early on large, a fine day, but early on there be rain still there will be some rain still over anglia in the over east anglia in the south—east england should south—east of england should scoot smartly . scoot away fairly smartly. plenty packing in plenty of showers packing in over highlands in the over the highlands in the western isles and the northern over the highlands in the westewheres and the northern over the highlands in the westewhere s an stays northern isles, where it'll stay blustery. showers will blustery. 1 or 2 showers will feed on the breeze elsewhere, feed in on the breeze elsewhere, but for most, it's a bright and breezy good of breezy friday. good spells of sunshine in the south that'll feel pleasant with feel quite pleasant with temperatures 21 celsius, temperatures up to 21 celsius, mostly 16 to 18. elsewhere saturday starts a bit chilly, but mostly starts fine and bright. many central and eastern parts will stay that way. however, out west cloud and rain will start to move in to northern ireland. parts of north and wales and then into and west wales and then into northwest and southwest northwest england and southwest scotland. as getting wet scotland. as well as getting wet here, will once more turn here, it will once more turn very gusty again, temperatures for the mid to high for most in the mid to high teens, in the teens, but 20 celsius in the sunny spells

>> what you get for breakfast out is something that if we do ourjobs out is something that if we do our jobs right, you will wake up to news that you didn't know the night before . night before. >> it's conversation. it's not >> it's a conversation. it's not just me and eamonn. >> we to get to know you >> we want to get to know you and we want you to get to know us from six. it's breakfast with eamonn and isabel monday to thursdays gb news, britain's thursdays on gb news, britain's news channel . it's 11:00. news channel. it's11:00. >> good evening. you're with gb news. our top story tonight, three people are confirmed to have lost their lives following a double shooting in the dutch port city of rotterdam . a 39 port city of rotterdam. a 39 year old woman and her 14 year

old daughter were killed in the first shooting. a 46 year old male lecturer was shot dead at the second incident, which took place on a university campus . place on a university campus. police confirmed a 32 year old man has been arrested . he was man has been arrested. he was arrested at the scene shortly after the building went into lockdown and staff had been instructed to leave immediately. dutch police say the suspect was a student at the university where crews also had to battle fires after the shooting incident made this afternoon. >> we had two shooting incidents , one of them in a house where two people were injured. the shooter then continued to a classroom at erasmus university. he also shot someone there. we don't know who that victim was in the classroom, but what we do know is that the person we arrested is a 32 year old man from rotterdam at rotterdam . from rotterdam at rotterdam. >> well, news here at home, the family of a 15 year old girl stabbed on her way to school has visited the scene where she died as crowds joined a vigil tonight nearby , elian arade dam was