got priti patel on news, we've got priti patel on immigration action that's going to your very, very to come your way very, very shortly. interviewed shortly. she's been interviewed by editor. it by our political editor. it comes the same that a new comes on the same day that a new poll that fears poll has revealed that fears over migration at their over mass migration are at their highest since 2017. i'll highest level since 2017. i'll also be talking about this story as well. a good news story. the uk has beaten france and germany in the economy stakes. does this prove that we were right to leave the european union? what does all of this really mean? let's crunch the numbers and the bbc. yes, if they caved to in gary lineker over the presenter's twitter issues, what does all of this really mean for things like bbc impartiality going fonnard and finally, what is the latest when it comes to the rotterdam shooting ? three the rotterdam shooting? three people dead as it currently stands. we will give you more information , including a information, including a potential motive very, very shortly. patrick christys. gb news. you yeah, we will be starting with the devastating scenes on the m53 . of course.

scenes on the m5}. of course. thoughts and prayers go to all involved, but right now it's your headlines . good afternoon your headlines. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. >> i'm tamsin roberts . at 3:01, >> i'm tamsin roberts. at 3:01, a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral. pupils were on their way to calday grange grammar school and west kirby grammar school this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation in between huyton and bebington , ten huyton and bebington, ten children were taken to hospital , two with serious injuries . , two with serious injuries. parts of the motonnay remain closed and mark thomas area manager of merseyside fire and rescue service, says investigations are undennay . investigations are undennay. >> firefighters worked with emergency services colleagues at scene to stabilise the vehicle . scene to stabilise the vehicle. we ensured the student was safe and we assisted casualties.

exiting the bus , working jointly exiting the bus, working jointly with our police and ambulance colleagues. shortly after we were able to assist the casualties onto a second coach to receive care away from the scene on our operations are currently scaling down and currently scaling down and currently we stay at the scene on in attendance to preserve the scene with merseyside police university, birmingham hospital has been named as the trust where a 19 year old died after a legal battle with the nhs . legal battle with the nhs. >> sadiq shah tiara malik wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interest. the 19 year old died on the 12th of september. university birmingham hospitals trust says the illness was incurable and that sadiq shah didn't understand her condition. they've offered their heartfelt condolences to her family . a 17 condolences to her family. a 17 year old boy charged with the

murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. ltn arade dam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she was on her way to school . the was on her way to school. the teenager, can't be named for teenager, who can't be named for legal has been legal reasons, has also been charged with possessing a knife . a teenage boy arrested in connection with a cutting down of one of the uk's most photographed trees, has been released on bail . the tree at released on bail. the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall, close to northumberland , wall, close to northumberland, was made famous in the 1991 film robin hood . the national trust robin hood. the national trust says it was shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut down. the chancellor says the economy recovered from the pandemic faster than expected after it grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of this year. the office for national statistics initially expected it to rise by nought point 1. the government says it will stick to its plan of halving inflation this year. dame priti patel is calling for

a tax cut for hard pressed brits around the country in an exclusive interview with gb news political editor chris hope, the former home secretary says the government should cut public spending to ease the tax burden. her comments add pressure on the prime minister and chancellor ahead of the conservative party conference in manchester tomorrow . tomorrow. >> the tax burden is now at a 70 year high that is unsustainable and the people that pay the taxes are hard pressed. brits around the country . we as around the country. we as conservatives, we believe in lower taxes. as conservatives , lower taxes. as conservatives, we believe being on the side of hard working households and families as conservatives, we believe in hope and aspiration . believe in hope and aspiration. >> so what does that look like now? >> that should mean lower taxes. the burden tax to start the burden of tax has to start to reduce the size of to come down, reduce the size of the state and ensure that people keep of their income . keep more of their income. >> meanwhile, labour leader sir keir starmer, speaking in glasgow this morning, says the government don't have the capacity to fix the economy . he

capacity to fix the economy. he rail passengers will see chaos over the next two days as train drivers begin industrial action. aslef members began a ban on overtime time today ahead of a strike at 16 train companies tomorrow . the union says tomorrow. the union says tomorrow's walkout will force operators to cancel all services. aslef's general secretary mick whelan argues members haven't had a pay rise for four years. the government and rail delivery group says there's a fair and reasonable offer on the table . this is gb offer on the table. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . patrick >> well, we start with the big breaking news this hour, which is that a 14 year old schoolgirl and a coach driver have sadly died after a school bus overturned on the m50 three on the this morning . the bus the wirral this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it

collided with a car and struck a central reservation. the north west service confirmed west ambulance service confirmed that two people had sadly died in crash. in a press in the crash. in a press conference in the last hour , conference in the last hour, tragically, we can confirm that there were two fatalities as a result of this crash . result of this crash. >> a further two patients were taken to alder hey, children's hospital with serious injuries. in addition, we have taken a number of patients to surrounding hospitals to be treated for minor injuries as 50 children were transported to a casualty clearing centre at the emergency service training centre in wallasey. of those 5039 have now been discharged . 5039 have now been discharged. and on north—west of england. >> reporter sophie reaper was at that press conference and joins us now. sophie what's the latest, please? good >> good afternoon to you, patrick. yes, in the last 30 minutes or so, we have heard that press conference where we heard from each of the emergency

services and individually they all their condolence all offered their condolence passes, as they confirmed to us that lee, a 14 year old that tragic lee, a 14 year old girl, the bus driver of that girl, and the bus driver of that incident this morning have passed away. we heard first from wirral chief superintend , graham wirral chief superintend, graham robson. he told us about the incident and that other children had in fact, witnessed it. he said that the buses were travelling in convoy and that those children who had witnessed the incident would now be offered support. he also said that the motonnay at that area between junction three and junction five on the m50 three will remain closed. now for a number of hours as that investigation continues. of course, we were told this morning it was believed that the bus had collided with another car and had then hit the central reservation on the motonnay . but reservation on the motonnay. but that hasn't yet been absolutely confirmed. so the investigation is still ongoing into exactly what happened this morning. we also heard from the north west ambulance service, who this morning had declared a major incident. they told us that was

because the potential number of major injuries that could have been. they also told us that two page agents had been taken to alder hey, children's hospital with serious injuries and that a number of patients have been taken to surrounding hospitals with minor injuries. we also heard from a representative from wirral council, the local area where the incident happened this morning. she said that the focus of wirral council was now on supporting people in the local community. the schools , the community. the schools, the families, of course, the pupils involved and as well those who were on the bus itself. but also, as i mentioned , who also, as i mentioned, who potentially witnessed the incident happen. she said they're to going continue to work, she said. we will do whatever we need to do over time to help . of course, this is to help. of course, this is a developing story still. we know that it's been confirmed that those two people have tragically died in that incident this morning. but i'm sure over the coming hours, there will be more to tell you. so we'll be here bringing all the latest . bringing you all the latest. >> yeah. so if we look. thank

you much. a deeply you very, very much. a deeply distressing situation for everybody concerned. we'll be going ripa very, going back to sophy ripa very, very with some more going back to sophy ripa very, very just with some more going back to sophy ripa very, very just a with some more going back to sophy ripa very, very just a quick some more going back to sophy ripa very, very just a quick recap.nore going back to sophy ripa very, very just a quick recap. again info. just a quick recap. again for a 14 year old for you. a 14 year old schoolgirl and a coach driver have sadly now after have sadly now died after that devastating crash on the m53. the incident happened at around 8:00 this morning just near junction five of that motonnay. eight other children were taken to hospital. two remain at alder. hey, hospital with, as we understand it, serious injuries. thatis understand it, serious injuries. that is according to the north—west ambulance service , north—west ambulance service, calday grange grammar school and west kirby grammar school were sharing that bus on their way into school . both those schools, into school. both those schools, of course, have said that they're devastated by the incident and the m53 has been closed in both directions as we understand it, 54 people in total were on that bus. and of course , the families of those course, the families of those affected are all being looked after by specially trained family liaison officers. and as i said , two more patients are in

i said, two more patients are in hospital with serious injuries , hospital with serious injuries, injuries and other patients as well, being treated for minor injuries. we will bring you more on this story as we get any updates. devastating incidents, a fatal school bus crash on the m. 53. well before all of that happened, we were actually to going go in on the latest issue concerning immigration. so shortly i'll be bringing you an interview with priti patel, former home secretary, dame priti . sat with priti patel. she sat down with our political editor , our political editor, christopher hope, earlier on to give her views on numerous different things, but least different things, but not least immigration. comes the immigration. and it comes on the same i mean , colour same day as this. i mean, colour me shocked a new poll by ipsos mori has shown that the public are massively concerned about immigration. in fact, are massively concerned about immigration. in fact , the number immigration. in fact, the number of people concerned about it has almost doubled since the start of the year, and it's now at its highest level since 2017. for me, it's by far and away the greatest concern because in my mind it feeds into everything else. when people have concerns about the nhs, for example, how do people expect our health

service just absorb the best part of a million people each year? the housing crisis there were around 200,000 new homes last year, but obviously the population grew by a lot more than that. not all of those homes are affordable or crucially, in places where many people actually want to live again, rapid population growth , again, rapid population growth, fuelled by mass migration, is an issue there. the economy for too long the british public has been asked to take part in what i think is a giant ponzi scheme whereby mass immigration is deemed to be the only way of propping our economy . but propping up our economy. but this complete farce. people this is a complete farce. people are better off per capita. are not better off per capita. people are actually worse off. we poorer we are individually poorer in many . suella braverman many cases. suella braverman acknowledged most illegal acknowledged that most illegal immigrants never pay back what they've received from the taxpayer . and we do have taxpayer. and we do have millions of low skilled migrants filling paid jobs that don't filling low paid jobs that don't really end up having a massive net financial benefit to britain. education student visas are apparently the only way universities will survive. so

we're told. but it's just a back door into britain, many think, and students are allowed to bnng and students are allowed to bring dependents with them early years education suella braverman said. we have to find around 230,000 new school places in the coming years to accommodate youngsters , 1 in 5 of whom will youngsters, 1 in 5 of whom will be born to foreign born mothers, so that doesn't even include first generation immigrants, doesit first generation immigrants, does it ? first generation immigrants, does it? crime? first generation immigrants, does it ? crime? there first generation immigrants, does it? crime? there are many account s out there about how accounts out there about how the use of knives and gang warfare is being exacerbated by foreign gangs or people from different cultural backgrounds with different societal norms and culture in general. the rapid rate of demographic change is forever altering towns and cities. that's never going to change back, is it? is it a coincidence ? do we think that coincidence? do we think that all of that is happening at the same time that children growing all of that is happening at the sar now me that children growing all of that is happening at the sar now me “taught ldren growing all of that is happening at the sar now me “taught ldrhate'owing up now are taught to hate british history and culture? no, of course it's not in my view. and what's another major issue for at the moment? for people at the moment? well taxation, . where's that taxation, high tax. where's that taxation, high tax. where's that tax going? bulging public sector, a creaking nhs , an sector, a creaking nhs, an education system accommodating

illegal migrants in hotels. a lot of the time a lot of that is down to our current immigration setup . more people need to come setup. more people need to come out and tell it how it is the leading factor behind broken britain is , is that we have britain is, is that we have a broken immigration system . yeah, broken immigration system. yeah, i want to hear from you on this. gb views gbnews.com. get your views coming in thick and fast. it's interesting because i want to know actually, and i'm going to know actually, and i'm going to be asking this throughout the course of the show, is the course of the show, what is the biggest you facing biggest issue for you facing britain the moment? a latest britain at the moment? a latest poll has come it's poll has come out and it's appeared yes, appeared to suggest, yes, immigration also immigration is up there. also the inflation, the nhs, also inflation, although inflation dropped although inflation has dropped as for the public since as an issue for the public since the time that a poll was the last time that a poll was taken. so what for you is the biggest issue facing britain? gb views at gbnews.com. and i'm going to roll into that inbox very, very shortly right now. good afternoon, patrick says leon priti patel. why is she

being given the time of day? interesting, isn't it, leon, to say that? because a lot of people do think, well, maybe priti patel have done priti patel could have done a little more while she was little bit more while she was in office, but are we not seeing now that our home now maybe that our home secretaries indeed secretaries and indeed our politicians do have politicians in general do have their by their hands tied by international definitions of what it is to be a refugee? et cetera. that jazz as cetera. and all of that jazz as well . there's lots of this well. there's lots of this coming in in the inbox right now, said, want to know now, like i said, i want to know what for you is the biggest issue britain? views issue facing britain? gb views gb views .com. still to come like i was saying, former home secretary now dame priti patel has down for an exclusive has sat down for an exclusive interview with christopher hope ahead weekend's ahead of this weekend's conservative party conference. so we're going to throwing to so we're going to be throwing to that. getting a little that. we'll be getting a little bit off the back of bit of reaction off the back of it course, your it as well as, of course, your emails. there some other emails. there are some other topics town. britain has topics in town. britain has outperformed france outperformed germany and france in economic stakes . we'll be in the economic stakes. we'll be drilling and crunching some drilling down and crunching some of and of those numbers there and having at whether or not having a look at whether or not this now means that we were right the european this now means that we were right are the european this now means that we were right are noweuropean this now means that we were right are now morelan this now means that we were right are now more able to union. are we now more able to chart our own course as an independent, sovereign nation,

or actually, is the eu as a whole doing where are whole doing better? where are you the bbc? s you on that? and the bbc? s twitter rules have been laxed as well accommodate people like well to accommodate people like gary have they caved in gary lineker. have they caved in to old gary and rishi sunak ? to old gary and rishi sunak? could on to a voting could he be on to a voting winner by pushing back on the 20 mile an hour speed limits ? i mile an hour speed limits? i thought he was on to a vote loser when he was going to ban smoking. not because most people love smoking, but because i think aren't to go think people aren't going to go out vote for out and proactive vote for a party that's going to an age party that's going to put an age limit legal age when you limit on the legal age when you can out and buy yourself can go out and buy yourself a deck goals. but i deck of marlboro goals. but i wonder or not the 20 wonder whether or not the 20 mile an pushback might mile an hour pushback might actually classed as actually see him be classed as quite by some people. quite sound by some people. patrick christys gb news britain

sunday mornings from 930 on news i >> well, welcome back. we're hurtling towards 3:20. you're watching or listening to me. patrick christys on gb news. still to come or at least to have sadly been killed in the dutch city of rotterdam after an attack at a university hospital campus will be joined by security and intelligence experts for the latest but closer to home, earlier this week, former home secretary priti patel now a dame she was invested as a dame, wasn't she, at a ceremony in windsor castle. but now in an exclusive interview with gb news political editor christopher hope, dame priti has spoken out about the migration crisis afflicting britain and what needs to be done to get things back in order. thank you very much. for

everybody who's been emailing in, i've been asking you what are the biggest issues for you facing britain? after a new poll came out and immigration had climbed charts, but let's climbed the charts, but let's have a little listen, shall we, to patel think on to dame priti patel i think on net migration, and that's legal migration , by the way, you know, migration, by the way, you know, having differentiation having that differentiation between and illegal between legal and illegal migration is important. >> that we've said that we >> those that we've said that we will have our country will have come to our country and support them, we can't just send hollow about net migration figures and basically say it's a disgrace. the point about brexit and migration is control and we said that we would control migration and that brings me to my point about the legal system that we have so safe and legal routes bringing people over here and also people that come here to people that come to the to work, people that come to the united kingdom legal united kingdom through legal routes, visas for example, routes, nhs visas for example, technology visas , investor technology visas, investor visas. they come here for good reasons and also students who come to study in 600,000 people came here in a year to june last. >> right. >> right. >> is that uncontrolled or is that acceptable?

>> well, it's controlled because they're we they're here legally, so we can't start saying because the numbers totally numbers are high. it's totally uncontrolled . now, you have uncontrolled. now, you can have a conversation capping it. a conversation about capping it. that's of course, that's different. and of course, the has levers. the government has levers. absolutely has levers to bring in caps. you can cap student numbers . you can cap people that numbers. you can cap people that come in through various visa routes. and clearly it's right . routes. and clearly it's right. i think it's absolutely right. i started the work on this before i left government last year. remember, government i left government last year. re choicezr, government i left government last year. rechoice ., government i left government last year. rechoice . we government i left government last year. rechoice . we started ernment i left government last year. rechoice . we started theient i left government last year. rechoice . we started the work of choice. we started the work in office as to how to in the home office as to how to look at the caps and controls around different cohorts of people country legally. >> is time to pull out of the >> is it time to pull out of the european convention on human rights? >> so i think it's right that we have live have this active live discussion. voted in discussion. and i voted in parliament basically to do that. there was a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and i don't think government can take options off the table. i really don't. and i've always thought that of course with endless course they'll come with endless challenges difficulties. challenges and difficulties. and by way , difficulties by the way, difficulties that might even impact existing legislation and immigration bill, for example, around

illegal migration, nationality, borders act. how so? to give you one example, just on nationality and borders act, i brought in measures where people smugglers could have life sentences. so we need to make sure that, you know, by taking measures on echr, we're not then hurting some of the tough laws that we have in place around people smugglers , traffickers and smugglers, traffickers and sentences in in care homes. >> well, it's all sorts, of course, but actually , just let's course, but actually, just let's speak about this from an immigration perspective right now. >> you know, we can do much more. there's no doubt about that. derogations of that. through derogations of echr members of the echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to work in the last to do the work in the last government on this. so clearly there know, it's right there is you know, it's right that we look at all of this. >> well, comes hot off the >> well, it comes hot off the back of a new poll by ipsos mori that public concern that shows that public concern on immigration is at its highest level 2017. i've been level since 2017. i've been asking what the asking you what you think the biggest issue you is. kim's biggest issue for you is. kim's been she says , i would put been on. she says, i would put immigration first. nhs immigration first. the nhs second. she says that she finds immigration she

immigration very worrying. she says future says she's scared of the future . another one here, no name on this they say that the this one. they say that the biggest issue facing britain for them to them is net zero, leading to impoverishment misery. impoverishment and misery. that's . the biggest that's their view. the biggest threat, another one says, is always the gap rich and always the gap between rich and poon always the gap between rich and poor. quite a few of you poor. there's quite a few of you getting in to mention getting in touch to mention crime. britain, illegal crime. lawless britain, illegal migration the most serious migration is the most serious issue must issue for me, says ian. we must control borders . our tiny control our borders. our tiny little is going to sink. little island is going to sink. gb views gbnews.com. dave also thinks that the culture wars is the biggest issue, so a range of views there. nobody at the moment saying inflame an or they may be that rich and may be that was the rich and poor but yeah keep those poor comment but yeah keep those views in views and views coming in gb views and gbnews.com. but very pleased views coming in gb views and gbnew be)m. but very pleased views coming in gb views and gbnew be joinedt very pleased views coming in gb views and gbnew be joined by very pleased views coming in gb views and gbnew be joined by ourery pleased to now be joined by our political christopher political editor christopher hope at westminster for us. so christopher, yeah, on day christopher, yeah, on the day that this has come out to that this poll has come out to say that the public appear say that now the public appear to about immigration to care more about immigration than they have done at any moment 2017. patel moment since 2017. priti patel also banging that drum well, that's right. >> and of course, the big issue going into the next election is

the european convention of human rights. should the uk try and withdraw that? is what withdraw from that? that is what some on the right are saying that patel, that now. priti patel, the interview there didn't interview with me there didn't go far that. said that go as far as that. she said that it's time for some derogations and builds what suella and that builds on what suella braverman , successor to braverman, the successor to patel the home office, was patel in the home office, was saying washington, it, saying in washington, wasn't it, this said this this week when she said this 1951 treaty upon which it's based isn't fit for purpose? it needs to be looked again at. why you can claim human rights for things which aren't necessarily life and that's her life threatening. and that's her point. i think what priti patel is quite keen to make clear that the tories shouldn't go into the next election with an unrealistic demand . she was unrealistic demand. she was saying in 2010 that it was mooted to withdraw from the echr. but that is complicated echr. but that is so complicated because importance to the because of its importance to the uk on a world stage. how can we lecture or talk to other countries about their human rights records? maybe russia or china if we withdraw from this convention, might affect not convention, it might affect not in good way the good friday in a good way the good friday agreement in northern ireland and also might well affect in

and also it might well affect in the alone how people are the uk alone how old people are looked after in care homes because the way human because of the way the human rights act were incorporates much of convention in 1998. much of that convention in 1998. so complicated. but so it's complicated. patrick but the is, i think what the the point is, i think what the tory right is now saying almost as one voice, it needs to be brought back into the kind of common sense space. >> absolutely. course, >> yeah, absolutely. of course, the prevalent when the echr is most prevalent when it to illegal migration it comes to illegal migration and rwanda plan and and the rwanda plan and deportations and all of that jazz, isn't it? but what about the legal side of it? priti patel there was talking about legal immigration and i can't help but wonder this poll by ipsos mori is talking about immigration in general. it wasn't really saying , look, are wasn't really saying, look, are you concerned about what's coming across the channel? et cetera. and that's the stuff that really, you know , we can that really, you know, we can be in of, we, without in control of, can't we, without the the echr , etcetera. the need for the echr, etcetera. that's just on us, isn't it? >> well, it's not on us. it's on the politicians, patrick. because that is exactly what the idea of going to control that people voted for back in 2016, that we can we as a country can

control our borders. now, the 606,000 people who arrived here net that's a net figure in the 12 months to june last year were allowed to come here because of the choices made by the people behind me, by by tour the tory government and the choice, the choice that's made . it wasn't choice that's made. it wasn't discussed , suella braverman told discussed, suella braverman told me from my podcast that in october last year she wanted to get that figure down to ten tens of thousands . so a sixth of the of thousands. so a sixth of the current rate . the choices the current rate. the choices the government's made that they government's made is that they think that families students think that families of students should if they should can come here if they want to. the the official want to. the obr, the official treasury forecaster, says we need around over 200,000 a year net to come here. this immigrants to come to here try and maintain a degree of growth in the economy. so there's a choice to be made here. and that's what the election is about, i think. and that's the point of uncontrolled migration that soledar suella braverman mentioned on tuesday in washington figure, it looks washington that figure, it looks big to a lot of people. that's a lot of people arriving that that is people wanting homes, houses

, cars, etcetera that can , cars, etcetera and that can drive up. that's why there's an impact, i think, on everyone's lives, including those who watch gb news. >> no, look. absolutely look. thank you much. it's thank you very much. it's christopher is , christopher hope there who is, of our political editor of course, our political editor . ijust of course, our political editor . i just want to remind you of a story that we'll be returning to as and when we get any more updates was the updates on it. it was the breaking at the top of the breaking news at the top of the houn breaking news at the top of the hour, is suddenly hour, which is that suddenly a 14 old schoolgirl and 14 year old schoolgirl and a coach driver have died in a devastating bus crash on devastating school bus crash on the near near the wirral. as the m53 near near the wirral. as we understand it, there were around 54 people on board that coach. it was part of a convoy of school coaches. there are at least two others still in hospital being treated , as we hospital being treated, as we understand it. for serious injuries. we'll have more on this story as we get it here. thatis this story as we get it here. that is the scene that you'll be looking at now if you're watching us on tv or online, if you're at on radio, you're looking at us on radio, the bus in question did actually topple over. it was the side topple over. it was on the side of road. and both sides of of the road. and both sides of the m53 carriageway there have

been closed . a major incident the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared a major incident the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared and|ajor incident the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared and like incident the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared and like i1cident the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared and like i said,1t the m53 carriageway there have beerdeclared and like i said, 54 was declared and like i said, 54 people on board, one of them, a 14 year old schoolgirl, has sadly died alongside the coach driver over many more injured. two of which seriously and still in hospital. more information on that as we get it. but we'll have a lot more for you between now and 4:00 because ahead of the conservative party conference in manchester, there is some good for news the chancellor with news that the uk economy has unexpectedly grown . economy has unexpectedly grown. according to the latest official figures . according to the latest official figures. this is according to the latest official figures . this is fascinating figures. this is fascinating because it means that we are now doing better than france and germany. does this mean for germany. what does this mean for naysayers who were saying that it was terrible for us to get out of the european union? they often economic often quote the economic argument. seen the argument. also, we've seen the latest haven't latest revised figures, haven't we, how quickly we have we, about how quickly we have bounced post covid. i don't bounced back post covid. i don't know about you, but i always treat these official figures with scepticism. with a degree of scepticism. i think was something was think it was something that was etched during the etched into me a bit during the actual referendum, quite actual brexit referendum, quite possibly . when trump was

possibly as well. when trump was elected, you all those elected, you know, all those opinion think one of opinion polls, i think one of them a 95% probability that them had a 95% probability that hillary clinton was going to be elected. treat these elected. so i always treat these official with little official figures with a little bit lot of them are bit of scorn. a lot of them are projections, the time projections, a lot of the time it be people sticking it seems to be people sticking their finger the and their finger in the air and seeing which the wind is seeing which way the wind is blowing. now that blowing. however for now that they've revised and they've been revised and now that the ones that we've got the latest ones through, as though through, it looks as though people talking people who've been talking britain a lot of britain down and taking a lot of joy talking for joy in talking britain down for a long time might now have a very long time might now have a very long time might now have a bit of egg on their a very long time might now have a butt of egg on their a very long time might now have a but liam�*gg on their a very long time might now have a but liam halliganzir a very long time might now have a but liam halligan will face. but liam halligan will join the institute of join us and the institute of fiscal studies as well will be on the show very , very shortly on the show very, very shortly to chat about all of that. some on the show very, very shortly to ch.news.jt all of that. some on the show very, very shortly to ch.news. it all of that. some on the show very, very shortly to ch.news. it appears at. some on the show very, very shortly to ch.news. it appears .t. some on the show very, very shortly to ch.news. it appears . asrome on the show very, very shortly to ch.news. it appears . as fore good news. it appears. as for brexit, britain, keep your views coming in as well, though, about what major for is what the major issue for you is facing britain moment. a facing britain at the moment. a variety of different views coming the moment coming through at the moment we've got immigration, we've got crime, up crime, net zero has been up there. the wars as well. there. the culture wars as well. i do want to hear from you. i'll go the emails very, very go to the emails very, very shortly. it's shortly. but right now, it's time latest headlines time for your latest headlines with . tamsin

with. tamsin >> patrick, thanks very much . >> patrick, thanks very much. here are the headlines at 330. a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral . pupils were on their way wirral. pupils were on their way to calday grange grammar school and west kirby grammar school this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation between huyton and bebington . university huyton and bebington. university hospitals. birmingham has been named as the trust, where a 19 year old died after a legal battle with the nhs. sir sadiq shah tirumalai wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interests . what was in her best interests. a 17 year old boy charged with a murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court at ltn. arade dam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she

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higher tax rises, according to the institute for fiscal studies. >> but the uk economy has unexpectedly grown, according to the latest official figures, with chancellor jeremy hunt saying data once again is proving the doubters wrong. well, according to the ifs forecast, taxes will amount for about 37% of national income by the next general election and ahead of the conservative party conference this weekend, the forecast is again reignited calls within the conservative party. i also think generally, to be honest with you, amongst the wider public, surely about the wider public, surely about the amount of tax that we are all paying and about the potential tax cuts. i know potential for tax cuts. i know as well from people who talk to me regularly when i'm out and about, but they are concerned about, but they are concerned about not just the amount of tax that they're paying, but what they're actually paying for increases in tax and at least perceived anyway, not a particularly good increase in the quality of public services. so i think there's that seething, simmering resentment there, perhaps, but maybe we would see some kind of change if

the economy keeps performing, i'm pleased to say. now, joining me is karl emerson, who's deputy director of the institute of fiscal studies , the authors of fiscal studies, the authors of this report. karl, thank you very, very much for joining this report. karl, thank you very, very much forjoining us. very, very much for joining us. great to have you on the show . great to have you on the show. so talk tax to me. come on. what's going to happen then? are we all going to be paying higher tax and a day? tax forever and a day? >> it does feel that way. we reckon that by the time the next election 37% of our economy will be taken in tax. >> that's up from 33% at the start of this parliament. so that increase is equivalent to about £100 billion a year. we've compared it to previous parliaments and it looks to us like it's going to be the biggest tax raising parliament that we've seen since the second world war. the second biggest being new labour's first term between 1997 and 2001. and i think it's important to remember that you know, maybe some of these tax rises are because of difficulties from the pandemic, but we suspect a lot of it is

not about that. it's really about a desire , an increase in about a desire, an increase in pubuc about a desire, an increase in public spending that's happening on an enduring basis . and given on an enduring basis. and given that there's not much scope for more borrowing, if we're going to spend , we will to continue to spend, we will need continue to tax like need to continue to tax like this . this. >> yeah, indeed. is there a justification for this, though? i mean, i mentioned earlier on there that i think a lot of the members of the public don't necessarily inherent resent paying necessarily inherent resent paying but i think they paying tax, but i think they resent not necessarily getting a lot of bang for their buck. i mean, is there a case to say that our tax money at the moment is there? is not being cut out there? >> you're asking what >> i think you're asking what the the the justification was for the for tax rises. and i think for the tax rises. and i think what's what essentially the justification is, well, the government more government wants to spend more on nhs . on things like the nhs. >> it's finding that it's having to debt interest. >> it's finding that it's having to spending debt interest. >> it's finding that it's having to spending a debt interest. >> it's finding that it's having to spending a deimoreerest. >> it's finding that it's having to spending a deimore money we're spending a lot more money on the national debt on servicing the national debt because we've accumulated a lot of and we're paying a of debt and we're paying a higher rate that debt. >> so there's a lot of spending that's going out that isn't to people's benefit this country. >> debt interest something >> debt interest is something we'd have spend we'd rather not have to spend money we'd rather not have to spend mo and then there's lots of

>> and then there's lots of other government which other areas of government which are quite a lot are actually cut quite a lot dunng during the 2010s. >> doesn't seem to be >> and there doesn't seem to be an there them an appetite there to cut them any further. >> so when you put that together , to more public , it points to more public spending only so spending and there's only so much should much the government should be borrowing, which therefore points to raise more points to the need to raise more in revenue . in revenue. >> indeed. it puts the >> yeah, indeed. it puts the conservative incredibly conservative party in incredibly tricky honest conservative party in incredibly trickjyou. honest conservative party in incredibly trickjyou. as honest conservative party in incredibly trickjyou. as well. honest conservative party in incredibly trickjyou. as well. look,nest conservative party in incredibly trickjyou. as well. look, karl, with you. as well. look, karl, thank you very, very great thank you very, very much. great to on show. i to have you on the show. karl. i was deputy director, was in there. deputy director, institute studies , who institute of fiscal studies, who authored that report talking about, never about, well, essentially never ending permanent ending tax rises, permanent tax rises in britain. good grief. when will it end? but joining me now is our economics and business editor. we're going to talk that, but we're going talk about that, but we're going to news to talk about some good news economically for brexit. britain as on the money . yeah, as well with on the money. yeah, can we start with this good news? it's been a bit of a heavy week. >> let me bring some light into your life, patrick. >> yeah, please go on. so we're doing better than the french and the germans. >> that's all that matters of course. look look. this morning, 7 am, the office for national

statistics issued its latest growth numbers, and they were pretty good. i mean, growth isn't high, it's not buoyant, but it's there. it's not negative. there's not a recession. what are the numbers 7 recession. what are the numbers ? so january to march, what we call the first quarter of the yean call the first quarter of the year, the first three months, the uk economy expanded by 0.3% compared to the previous quarter. and in the second quarter, april, may, it quarter, april, may, june, it expanded by 0.2. you know, not massive growth, but at least it's an expansion with the economy resilient, despite the fact that we've had 14 successive interest rate rises hammering consumer numbers, higher mortgage payments , higher higher mortgage payments, higher energy payments, a higher tax energy payments, a higher tax burden, which we'll talk about . burden, which we'll talk about. but still the uk is growing. and since the end of the pandemic , since the end of the pandemic, since the end of the pandemic, since sorry, before the pandemic . patrick so since the final quarter of 2019, of course , the quarter of 2019, of course, the pandemic started in early 2020. since late 2019, the uk has grown by 1.8% in total from has

grown by 1.8% in total from has grown by 1.8% in total from has grown by 1.7% in total. and germany unfortunately, has grown by 0.2. the germans, of course , by 0.2. the germans, of course, have been hammered by the fact that their business model, which is largely relying on cheap russian gas to manufacture stuff, has fallen to bits since the war in ukraine. so it's not true. france and germany were in the eu last time i checked. yes so it's not true to say that brexit britain has been slower out of the blocks since the pandemic. the whole of the western world is sluggish with the exceptions of the americans who have grown by 6.1% since before the pandemic, largely off the back of cheap energy because they've been fracking . but it's they've been fracking. but it's not true to say that brexit britain is an outlier, not at all. it's in the middle of the pack and it's growing faster. since the pandemic began than the biggest two economies in the european union . yeah, exactly. european union. yeah, exactly. >> and that actually is a relatively long period of time. it's about four years, isn't it? right. so that is consistent period. >> and remember, just before the pandemic , that was when brexit

pandemic, that was when brexit was enacted , we had that boris was enacted, we had that boris johnson election at the end of 2019. transition period 2019. the transition period ended. we had 2020. that's when brexit began. but then straight away we went into lockdown. literally weeks later . literally weeks later. >> so the signs are that the green shoots of brexit britain are there. i think that's exactly right. >> so what is the blot on the landscape of those green shoots? what did it there? one of the blots is , according to a lot of blots is, according to a lot of the tory faithful, who are now gathering, they're getting on the going up to the train, going up to manchester their party manchester for their party conference, till conference, which is sunday till wednesday . a of them wednesday. they a lot of them are saying, hey , hey, rishi are saying, hey, hey, rishi sunak. hunt, why sunak. hey, jeremy hunt, why have we got the highest tax burden in 70 years? have a look at this graph. i hope we've got at this graph. i hope we've got a here. this is here are a graph here. this is here are some numbers the institute some numbers from the institute for studies , and this for fiscal studies, and this shows tax burden, total shows the uk tax burden, total tax revenue as a share of gdp. since the late 1940s. and you'll see there, as we came out of the second world war, the tax burden came down from like 38% all the

way down to 28. but since then, patrick, it's steadily gone up. the trend has been up and particularly over the last ten years since the tories have been in and you'll see there in office. and you'll see there on fight in office. and you'll see there on right hand side of the on the right hand side of the screen the tax burden up screen the tax burden nudging up above from 33% back in above 38, again from 33% back in 2019. that is the highest increase in the tax take in any parliament ever. and we are now at a 70 year high in terms of tax under a tory government. >> yeah, it's astonishing, isn't it really? and now we're getting some of these economic figures. there is going to be increasing pressure, jeremy pressure, isn't there, on jeremy hunt that tax burden. hunt to reduce that tax burden. i mean, how likely that to happen? >> there's going be enormous >> there's going to be enormous pressure. liz truss pressure. you know, liz truss is going manchester with going up to manchester with a sort standing marauder sort of standing army marauder thing the bars and the thing around the bars and the corridors of power, you know, winding everyone up. oh, if only we could have lower taxes. yeah. the redwood you the likes of john redwood you know centre right. tory mp very fiscally conservative and margaret thatcher's former policy advisor of course he's

saying at the very least jeremy hunt in his conference speech should lay out the case for tax cuts . i personally don't think cuts. i personally don't think they're to going do anything now. why? because these borrowing costs are still high. the public finances are still tight . and they'll say, we want tight. and they'll say, we want to focus on getting inflation under control . and of course, under control. and of course, inflation is coming down. but i think we're going to see a tax cut, a rabbit out of the hat, if you like, in march or april next year when there's the next big fiscal statement or at least the fiscal statement or at least the fiscal statement. there's one in november, march or april november, but march or april will be probably the last budget before a general election . but before a general election. but for now, at least, this is painful for the tory faithful. even lib dems. the cuddly even the lib dems. the cuddly status that lib dems have abandoned their policy of a penny on income tax for public services, a policy they've had . services, a policy they've had. patrick, you know, for 25 years. so even the lib dems are saying we think taxes are a bit high under the conservatives. that's not what the envelope stuffers as the canvassers, the campaigners , the election

campaigners, the election workers, the tory faithful want to hear. yeah, exactly . to hear. yeah, exactly. >> and it's more and more people now, isn't it? it's not just your super rich who are paying a heck a lot of and moaning heck of a lot of tax and moaning about basically your about it. it is basically your average joe on the street is really feeling energy really feeling high energy bills, mortgage payments, really feeling high energy bills, payments.5 payments, high tax payments. >> the ifs number >> you know what the ifs number came up with. it's quite incredible . just just came up with. it's quite incredible . justjust the incredible. just just at the very end. patrick, in 2024, the average household in the uk will be paying £3,600 more tax in 2024 than they were in 2019 and arguably not seeing equivalent increase in the quality of the pubuc increase in the quality of the public services . public services. >> i would i would politely suggest liam , thank you very suggest liam, thank you very much. liam halligan our economics and business editor with a fantastic rendition on with a fantastic rendition of on the money. okay. i've got the money. right. okay. i've got loads your in loads more coming your way in the next minutes or so, the next ten minutes or so, actually. come . yes, actually. still to come. yes, sad this, of course , at sad story. this, of course, at least two people have been killed in the dutch city of rotterdam after an attack at university hospital campus . that university hospital campus. that story broke whilst i was on air

yesterday. to be yesterday. i'm going to be talking a secure city and an talking to a secure city and an intelligence expert for the very latest. is any indication latest. is there any indication of what really of a motive? what really happened as all happened there as well? so all of that your way in just of that coming your way in just

michael portillo gb news britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> welcome back . it is 3:45. >> welcome back. it is 3:45. you're watching or listening to me. patrick christys on gb news. now coming up, we will return to our reporter sophie reaper to get the latest on that

devastating bus crash. tragedy on the m53 is a 14 year old girl and the driver of the school bus have sadly been confirmed dead. others, course , seriously others, of course, seriously injured. serious injured. but another serious story now, an email sent by dutch authorities has revealed that they warned that the gunman who killed three people in the city of rotterdam had shown signs of psychotic behaviour. this is a story that broke whilst i was on air yesterday. this included instances apparently of animal cruelty and having and having far right material and images of people being stabbed on phone . however, people on his phone. however, people have far given no detail have so far given no detail about the possible motive of the suspect, named only as faroud l was arrested yesterday after shooting dead a woman and her daughter at their home and a lecturer at the rotterdam medical centre university where he was a student . to give his he was a student. to give his thoughts on this is security and intelligence experts at the university of buckingham. it's anthony glees. anthony thank you very much . what do you make of very much. what do you make of what's happened here at the moment then your views from a

security perspective . security perspective. >> well, patrick, there are actually two things that have happenedin actually two things that have happened in the past 24 hours. the conviction of a british islamist terrorist at at a graduate of wannick university, coventry university, teaching students at birmingham university, um , where he was university, um, where he was doing a phd using his research skills to build a car kamikaze drone, which he was communicating about with the so—called islamic state. and then this awful attack in rotterdam. now what we know about the rotterdam person is that he appeared says to be a >> but once aspects of middle eastern heritage, which is in itself somewhat bizarre , uh, a itself somewhat bizarre, uh, a vile individual , by all accounts vile individual, by all accounts , tortured animals and even

worse than that, of course, murdered a young girl and her mother and his university teacher. >> what unites both these cases is not just the question of whether the people who do these things are mad as well as bad, but whether they could have been stopped by the university authorities and the one case in rotterdam , the world famous rotterdam, the world famous erasmus university of rotterdam, who knew that this man was a danger to and then the authorities at birmingham university, coventry university, wannick university, take your pick. who failed to keep a proper eye on somebody who was being described by the police as a very serious danger. so we're dropping our guard. patrick and that worries me. why? >> yeah, but why are we dropping our guard? you know, because i think it's a double edged sword. this right, which is that in the

internet age, it's probably easier than ever to become radicalised and maybe, maybe the security services have a higher case load to deal with. they've got more material to sift through. but at the same time, everything leaves a trace online, doesn't it? and i would have thought that maybe it would be easier to catch people as well. the case of this, well. and in the case of this, uh, rotterdam supposed killer anyway, the idea that people were , i think were warned about it, i think the public in this country anyway, no doubt in the netherlands and elsewhere are a bit sick and tired of the warning signs, people engaging in this kind of activity and then going on to commit atrocities and lives being lost i >> well, i think you're absolutely right. and i think it's important that we point the finger fearlessly at the people who could have stopped this, both, as i say, in the united kingdom, where the police prevented this chap from doing serious harm and in rotterdam, where they couldn't prevent it until it was too late. and the

people who could have stopped this are the university authorities . his time and time authorities. his time and time again , they're giving the again, they're giving the benefit of the doubt to people who should be nowhere near positions of trust . but you positions of trust. but you know, this fouad chap, he should not have been considered even for any kind of medical school career because he was clearly round the bend. the police were able to augment this by showing that he was an animal torturer and a neo obsessed also with , and a neo obsessed also with, with uh, acts against jews and anti semitism. yet all the time you get the feeling that the authorities are thinking of reasons not to get rid of people like this. not to shock them to the authorities , but to say, the authorities, but to say, well, you know , perhaps they're well, you know, perhaps they're they're going through a bad patch, perhaps there is a bad

hair day for them. let's see what happens . we've seen this, what happens. we've seen this, as i say, time and time again. and i do think that what these incidents show, one is extremism on the basis of what we know . on the basis of what we know. the other is islamist extremism . on the basis of what we know, we need to stop these people from getting into a position where they can exploit the opportunities that they're given, whether it's universal city, studying engineering or or at university, studying medicine in to do decent people and decent animals harm so people have got to really wake up to the fact that threats and extremist threats to our country, to our way of life, are still very real. they haven't gone away , and we need to gone away, and we need to intervene . law and order is intervene. law and order is really important . you can't let really important. you can't let people run through the streets with knives and you cannot let people with crazy ideas get into

a position where they can do harm. you know , some people say, harm. you know, some people say, well , is there a difference well, is there a difference between being bonkers and being a terrorist ? yes, the answer is a terrorist? yes, the answer is probably not. you've got to be bonkers to want to be a terrorist. but that means we've got to take the threat more seriously, not less seriously. now, indeed . now, indeed. >> anthony, thank you very much. it's anthony glees there who is the security and intelligence expert at the university of buckingham, there to buckingham, reacting there to the incident that took place in rotterdam. three people killed there by somebody who is understood anyway to have tendencies. these are some of the reports the name there, faroud l, which has been released. so no doubt there'll be more to follow. look, i just want to remind you of the story that we led in this hour with which i know has been leading the it is, course, the agenda. it is, of course, about that bus crash about that school bus crash tragedy on the m 53. gillian keegan has now the schools education minister has now come

out to offer her sympathy. she says we'll continue to support the schools and the local authority as they deal with this tragedy. a 14 year old schoolgirl of schoolgirl and the driver of a bus die suddenly after the bus die died suddenly after the bus die died suddenly after the bus overturned the bus overturned on the m53 motonnay . we understand there motonnay. we understand there were about 54 people on board that a couple of those people are still in a serious condition in hospital . we'll be giving you in hospital. we'll be giving you any updates on that as and when we get it. mick whitley is the mp for birkenhead , said that the mp for birkenhead, said that the community in the wirral will come together to support families after police did confirm that the people confirm that the two people died. they said it's an absolute tragedy. what has happened. people the look after people on the wirral look after one heartfelt one another. our heartfelt condolences go to the family . condolences go to the family. yeah, like i said, we will have more on that story as we get it, hopefully. fingers crossed it doesn't get any worse than it already is. keep emails already is. keep the emails coming in. generally, the overarching topic that i asked from you today was what you think the most pressing issue facing britain is at the moment . gb views and gbnews.com so far

we've had quite a few some on crime , some on net zero, some on crime, some on net zero, some on culture wars. the ovennhelming majority is on immigration and thatis majority is on immigration and that is not surprising . new that is not surprising. new opinion poll has come out today from ipsos mori showing that immigration is the highest level of public concern since 2017. nearly double what it was actually at the start of this yean actually at the start of this year. and it's on that topic that i'll be having a rip roaring debate when i come back. should people be concerned about the level of immigration in britain or actually , do we just britain or actually, do we just need to grin and bear it loads more coming your way with me patrick christys right here on gb news. i will see you in just a second . a second. >> hello, it's aidan magee here from the met office with the gb news forecast. fine for many of us today with sunny spells , but us today with sunny spells, but blustery showers will continue , blustery showers will continue, especially in the far north. we've got low pressure close to the north of scotland. a couple of occluded fronts moving through tightly packed isobars. so some lively weather

so some quite lively weather here. showers, few and here. elsewhere showers, few and far between 1 or 2 for northern ireland, northern england, they peter out through the evening, clear then and clear skies developing then and the showers in the north of scotland become fewer overnight with the winds easing here. so with the winds easing here. so with winds the with lighter winds through the night clear skies night and plenty of clear skies , going be a cooler , it is going to be a cooler night compared with recent nights. widely in nights. temperatures widely in the figures and in some the single figures and in some sheltered parts northern uk . sheltered parts of northern uk. low single figures, touch of grass frost possible as we begin the weekend. despite quite the fresh even in some places fresh or even in some places chilly starts to saturday. actually there's plenty of sunshine around first thing and for northern scotland as well as for northern scotland as well as for the midlands east anglia and the south we keep mostly the south east, we keep mostly sunny skies into afternoon, sunny skies into the afternoon, but elsewhere builds and but elsewhere cloud builds and for northern ireland, parts of the irish sea coast, it turns wet and windy. by the end of the afternoon . feeling warm in the afternoon. feeling warm in the southeast where we've got the sunny spells of 21 sunny spells highs of 21 celsius. we keep fine weather here into sunday. blustery showers return to scotland and northern ireland later in

between areas of rain moving slowly south eastwards, but also

it's 4 pm. it's patrick christys gb news. we start with the devastating news of a school bus crash, a 14 year old girl has died as well as the bus driver after a bus full of school children overturned on the m. 53. several other injured. a major incident was

declared . we'll have the latest declared. we'll have the latest information for you on that very, very shortly. but we're also going to be going in with a big debate on immigration. a new opinion come out to opinion poll has come out to show public concern show that public concern over immigration at highest immigration is at its highest level since 2017. where are you on this? do you think the immigration is the biggest issue for you not? big debate for you or not? big debate coming your way. also, some good news. the uk has beaten news. yes, the uk has beaten france and germany economically . we we've bounced back quicker after covid. and actually some of those numbers initially put out all doomsayers were out by all the doomsayers were wrong. so we'll be having a look at that. but with that comes calls now for lower taxation. will hunt the will jeremy hunt loosen the purse strings a little bit? this is one. a walter is an interesting one. a walter mitty veteran. yes not that individual involved there. i'm at pains to stress, but this is at pains to stress, but this is a police chief who essentially lied about being in the force island's war. i'm asking how big a problem walter mitty is really are for our veterans community. again, it is not that trap. there in other news, rishi sunak could he be on to a vote winner

here by looking to reverse 20 mile an hour speed limits? hey, maybe this will get you going because in wales as well. what are the welsh conservatives have said is if you vote labour , said is if you vote labour, you're voting for 20 mile an hour speed limit and do you really want that? is rishi on to a winner here? patrick christys . gb news, right? yes. right. okay. so look, when i come back, i'm going to be giving you an update, of course, on that devastating school bus crash. and we will be having a big barnstorming whether barnstorming debate on whether or immigration should or not immigration really should be big biggest be the public's big biggest concern. views and concern. gb views and gbnews.com. been asking you gbnews.com. i've been asking you throughout the course of the show today, your biggest show today, what is your biggest concern? emails concern? some great emails coming far. go to the coming in so far. i'll go to the inbox shortly, right inbox shortly, but right now it's headlines with. aaron it's your headlines with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. 4:02. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom, a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have

died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral . pupils were on their way wirral. pupils were on their way to coleby grange grammar school and west kirby grammar school. this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation between huyton and bebington . ten huyton and bebington. ten children were taken to hospital , two with serious injuries. parts of the motonnay remain closed . mark thomas, area closed. mark thomas, area manager of merseyside fire and rescue service, says investigations are undennay. >> firefighters worked with emergency services colleagues at scene to stabilise the vehicle . scene to stabilise the vehicle. we ensured the student was safe and we assisted casualties. exiting the bus , working jointly exiting the bus, working jointly with our police and ambulance colleagues. shortly after we were able to assist the casualties onto a second coach to receive care away from the scene . our operations are scene. our operations are currently scaling down and currently scaling down and currently we stay at the scene in attendance to preserve the

scene with merseyside police . university >> birmingham hospitals has been named as the trust where a 19 year died after a legal year old died after a legal battle with the nhs. siddiqia pteromalus wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interests. the 19 year old died on the 12th of september. the university birmingham hospitals trust says the illness was incurable and siddiqa didn't understand her condition . they have offered condition. they have offered their heartfelt condolences to her family . a 17 year old boy her family. a 17 year old boy charged with the murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. elian arade dam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she her wednesday while she was on her way to school. the teenager who cannot legal cannot be named for legal reasons, has also been charged with possessing a knife , which with possessing a knife, which the chancellor says the economy has recovered from the pandemic faster than expected after it

grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year. the office for national statistics initially expected it to rise by 0.1. the government says it will stick to its plan of halving inflation this year. a teenage boy arrested in connection with the cutting down of one of the uk's most photographed trees has been released on bail. the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall. it's close . hadrian's wall. it's close. northumberland featured in the 1991 film rob hood. the national trust says it was shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut down by dame priti patel's calling for a tax cut for hard pressed brits around the country . in an exclusive interview with the gb news political editor chris hope, the former home secretary says the government should cut public spending to ease the tax burden . her ease the tax burden. her comments pressure on the comments add pressure on the prime minister and the chancellor ahead of the conservative party conference, which gets under way in manchester on sunday. the tax burden is now at a 70 year high

thatis burden is now at a 70 year high that is unsustainable and the people that pay the taxes are hard pressed . hard pressed. >> brits around the country . as >> brits around the country. as conservatives, we believe in lower taxes. as conservatives , lower taxes. as conservatives, we believe being on the side of hard working households and families. as conservatives, we believe in hope and aspiration. so what does that look like now that should mean lower taxes. the burden of tax has to start to come down, the of to come down, reduce the size of the state, and ensure that people keep more of their income i >> meanwhile, the labour leader , sir keir starmer, speaking in rutherglen in glasgow this morning, says the government don't have the capacity to fix the economy . the economy. >> i think there's a driving reason why we've got the highest taxes pretty well on record and that's because of the dismal failure of this government on growth and having failed on growing our economy , they have growing our economy, they have chosen to put up tax over and over again on working people. and now that is the burden that they are carrying because the government's failure. there is a different choice, which is to

have a mission to grow the economy right across the united kingdom. that's the mission. the labour party has put out and that's the choice that we would make. monorail passengers are likely to face serious disruption over the next couple of days as train drivers begin more industrial action. >> aslef members began a ban on overtime today ahead of a strike at 16 train companies tomorrow. the union says tomorrow's walkout will force operators to cancel all services. aslef's general secretary mick whelan argues members haven't had a pay rise for four years while the government and the rail delivery group say there's a fair and reasonable offer on the table . reasonable offer on the table. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and just say play gb news on your smart speaker too. now back to . patrick too. now back to. patrick >> well, a new poll by ipsos mori has revealed that public concern over immigration is at its highest level since 2017. reveal the poll's findings.

ipsos added that the proportion of brits naming immigration as one of the biggest issues facing the uk had almost doubled since the uk had almost doubled since the start of the year . look, the the start of the year. look, the figures also suggest, of course , the public are apparently equally as concerned about the economy. and the nhs. economy. inflation and the nhs. it's worth noting that fear over inflation has actually dropped a bit as well as has indeed inflation recently. so there we go. look. quickly, before i go to my debate on this, i've been asking you gbviews@gbnews.com. wonderful people what you think the problem facing the biggest problem facing britain is and order is britain is law and order is a big it's an interesting one big one. it's an interesting one here from andy. mps constantly getting pay rises but doing very little it. still little for it. boats still coming , still little for it. boats still coming, still mps coming, tax still high. mps doing nothing, he says. nice to get a day's wage for signing in. and sylvia says, patrick, i agree with you regarding some of the problems about our control of it's refreshing the problems about our control of hear it's refreshing the problems about our control of hear the it's refreshing the problems about our control of hear the truth t's refreshing the problems about our control of hear the truth being eshing the problems about our control of hear the truth being spoken. to hear the truth being spoken. she it's time to cap legal she says. it's time to cap legal immigration. just one more immigration. and just one more from sarah thinks that from sarah. sarah thinks that theissues from sarah. sarah thinks that the issues with immigration can affect else. this is

affect everything else. this is sarah's view. you know, it's things like gun and knife crime, she says. housing shortages and nhs backlogs, of gp and nhs backlogs, lack of gp and dentist appointments, school places, list places, national debt. the list goes on. she says uk citizens have had enough of it. well that latest ipsos poll certainly suggests that more people than ever since are increasingly ever since 2017 are increasingly concerned about immigration. so i think don't know about you, i think i don't know about you, but might be to have a but it might be time to have a good on oh, is good debate on it. oh, is immigration the most immigration currently the most pressing facing the pressing issue facing the country? debate this, i am country? to debate this, i am joined by the leader of the heritage party, david kirton, joined by the leader of the herithee party, david kirton, joined by the leader of the herithee party, labourzirton, joined by the leader of the herithee party, labour mp n, joined by the leader of the herithee party, labour mp stephen and the former labour mp stephen pound. chaps, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. start with show. david, i will start with you. immigration the biggest you. is immigration the biggest problem facing britain ? problem facing britain? >> it's a huge problem . i mean, >> it's a huge problem. i mean, there are many problems facing there are many problems facing the country, but this is something that i know lots of people are very, very concerned with around the country. outside the mainstream media bubble , who the mainstream media bubble, who pretend that immigration is all good. it's not. we have unprecedented illegal immigration across the channel

and associated problems with that. there simply aren't enough council housing houses and homes to put them all in. so they're going into hotels. and of course, we're spending £8 million a day on housing illegal migrants . million a day on housing illegal migrants. but million a day on housing illegal migrants . but that's only a migrants. but that's only a small amount of the problem because legal migration is spiralling out of control as well, because of all the extra programmes. what i call the fake conservative government have put in place to bring in more students, more people to work here. even students depend . and here. even students depend. and so we have 1.2 million people coming to the country legally last year, which is unprecedented, which means 600,000 net coming to the country. it's simply unsustainable . and people are unsustainable. and people are feeling the pressure and effects on it, which is why it's a big concern. >> okay. so i'll throw the same question over to you, steve, and former labour mp. is immigration the biggest issue facing ordinary brits , do you think? ordinary brits, do you think? should it be? >> , nowhere near. but could >> yeah, nowhere near. but could i first of all just say what an

absolute delighted is to see david ? he and david kirton again? he and i once debated each other at greenford school. i think once debated each other at grewas.'d school. i think once debated each other at grewas. i school. i think once debated each other at grewas. i think school. i think once debated each other at grewas. i think it:hool. i think once debated each other at grewas. i think it was.. i think once debated each other at grewas. i think it was the.hink once debated each other at grewas. i think it was the you he was. i think it was the you were for or castle were standing for or castle point somewhere. point in essex somewhere. >> going you there, >> i'm going to stop you there, stephen. nobody cares right? what is immigration the biggest issue no, issue facing britain or not? no, it isn't. issue facing britain or not? no, it isno, it isn't. it's increased. >> no, it isn't. it's increased. and you're quite right. you've said increased. the said it's increased. but the reality that reality is that the issues that affect purely and affect most people purely and simply cost of living, simply are the cost of living, the cost of energy, the cost of staying look, figure staying alive. look, the figure that gave you that david just gave you represents 1% of the population of country. net of this country. so his net migration figure 600,000, migration figure of 600,000, it's not the end of the it's 1. it's not the end of the world. look, i think the problem that people have is, first that most people have is, first of the optics, the of all, it's the optics, the idea these boats rocking up idea of these boats rocking up on dover beach looks terrible. and looks as though have and it looks as though we have no it's not just no control. and it's not just about immigration. about about immigration. it's about national about national security. it's about the people who coming the people who may be coming there. so the moment, there. so at the moment, immigration numerically is not a huge but it's is huge problem, but it's who is coming over. and also patrick also concentration also the concentration in specific areas. and think specific areas. and i think that's an that goes right that's an issue that goes right the back to the windrush the way back to the windrush

generation in brixton. you know, the on and so on. the irish and so on and so on. and hugo knows spitalfields. and hugo knows in spitalfields. >> i throw bass. >> yeah. before i throw bass. davis so steve, could you rank it for then? right where what it for me then? right where what are top three issues for you are the top three issues for you facing britain then. go on. right right, right. >> cost of living, public safety and the health service . and the health service. >> okay, great. all right, david, i'll throw it to you because some people some people might say, david, that immigration feeds into a lot of that. >> yeah, it does. i mean, absolute it knocks on and it has absolute it knocks on and it has a knock on effect of all these other issues. i mean, stephen says, okay, it's only 1% of the population coming over every yean population coming over every year, but that means in the decade , if it's sustained at decade, if it's sustained at that level, that means the population increases by 10% in a decade. and we're simply not building enough homes for people don't want more homes built anyway because the country is full. and don't want to full. and i don't want to destroy the countryside the destroy the countryside and the historic character of our towns and cities to build lots more homes for people who are coming over that we don't need to come

over that we don't need to come over because we should be training our young people training our own young people to do that to be done do the jobs that need to be done in this country. in the first place, alone the effect on place, let alone the effect on health services, the pressure on dentist rates, on gps, on hospitals , on education and hospitals, on education and everything else. and transport is more crowded . so, you know, is more crowded. so, you know, it's just a out of control. we need to put strict cap on legal migration and stop the boats coming from france to solve this problem. >> and before i throw it back to steve and david, what is your cap on legal migration? yeah i would say at the moment we have 100,000 students. >> bring that down to 100,000. we have 200,000 permanent work visas. bring that down to 100,000. and that would cut out legal migration in half at a stroke . stroke. >> can i just say that doesn't work? >> go on, stephen. it doesn't . >> go on, stephen. it doesn't. >> go on, stephen. it doesn't. >> look, what happens if you have another ukraine, you have another hong kong. what do you have a situation like that? when that all your figures

that happens, all your figures go of the window. you can't. go out of the window. you can't. what you need to do not talk what you need to do is not talk about numbers. no politician can ever that going to ever say that we're going to reach number. then the reach a certain number. then the minute you hit that number, some afghan told you afghan interpreter is told you can't we've can't come in because we've hit the doesn't work. the numbers. it doesn't work. what to do is get what we've got to do is get control of the situation, get control of the situation, get control actually the control of the actually the processing, people, weed out control of the actually the pr0(wrong , people, weed out control of the actually the pr0(wrong ones, jeople, weed out control of the actually the pr0(wrong ones, and le, weed out control of the actually the pr0(wrong ones, and le, weed let. the wrong ones, and actually let those people to do what we've those people in to do what we've always country, always done in this country, which is to be a proud multicultural. >> all right, stephen, i'll i'll stay you on this. do you stay with you on this. do you think that that we are think that issues that we are seeing now with overcrowding in the whether that's to do the nhs, whether that's to do with hospitals getting with actual hospitals or getting gp to gp appointments, whether it's to do as well, for do with housing as well, for example, system, example, education system, i mean, find 213,000 according example, education system, i m(suella find 213,000 according example, education system, i m(suella braverman0 according example, education system, i m(suella braverman new ording example, education system, i m(suella braverman new school to suella braverman new school places, by 2026 i think it was, she said there. and those children lot of them, 1 in children a lot of them, 1 in 5 now born with foreign born mothers. do you not maybe think that a lot of the other issues facing britain could be solved if we solved our immigration problem? stephen well, i don't think so.

>> i mean, let's face it, if we took all the foreign born patients out of the nhs and we matched it with taking all the foreign born doctors and nurses out the nhs, you know, would out of the nhs, you know, would you off? would you be you be better off? would you be worse off? i don't know. there's school places, there's vacancies in places my part in school places in in my part of the in west london. got of the world in west london. got huge numbers of poles are huge numbers of the poles are going poland. so think going back to poland. so i think the problem the minute we try the problem is the minute we try to have sum numbers game, to have a zero sum numbers game, we get into real, real trouble. i where do with i think where i do agree with david firstly there is an david is firstly there is an issue of concentration and there's an issue of integration and to address and i think we need to address those. we don't end like those. we don't end up like france where they to put france where they try to put everybody in a pressure cooker and explodes. we've and then it explodes. but we've got actually get control of got to actually get control of this situation. it's not about got to actually get control of this numbers. it's not about got to actually get control of this numbers. it's aboutbout got to actually get control of this numbers. it's about the. got to actually get control of this numbers. it's about the way the numbers. it's about the way we those people. we process those people. >> that's an interesting >> well, that's an interesting point, to point, david, that i want to pick up on with you, because it's talk about numbers. it's easy to talk about numbers. the numbers are important, right? deny that right? you can't deny that numbers that's numbers are important. that's the country works. but the way the country works. but there something more there is something more than that, there that, isn't there? there is culture, integration. culture, there is integration. there a way of life. there is

there is a way of life. there is a shared history or lack of. now, is that is that a problem with immigration, do you think? >> especially at >> yeah, it is. especially at the you have people the moment. you have people coming, say, from albania, you have people other have people coming from other countries middle east who countries in the middle east who have very, very different cultures from us a lot of cultures from us and a lot of them and the majority of them coming over in the small boats are coming because they are are not coming because they are genuine mind errants who are fleeing for their lives . they're fleeing for their lives. they're economic migrants. they're not genuine asylum seekers. they're almost all aged men almost all military aged men coming over . almost all military aged men coming over. and almost all military aged men coming over . and they're here coming over. and they're here often they disappear into the black economy when they get here or they're happy to sit in a four star hotel and get rewarded for coming over. they wouldn't come over if they had to go and fend for themselves, for example. so if they are genuine asylum seekers coming over seeking asylum , they would be seeking asylum, they would be with their families . there would with their families. there would be families with children and women as well, not just all military aged men. but again , military aged men. but again, numbers are important and the legal migration of 1.2 million

gross is simply unsustainable. and that could easily be reduced by half if you put strict caps on work and student visas. as i've said. and that needs to be done now . done now. >> stephen, i'll give the final word to you on this. can i ask you whether or not you feel as though are being asked to though we are being asked to take part in some kind of giant ponzi scheme a nation, ponzi scheme as a nation, really, is if we have really, which is that if we have an amount of immigrants that arrive every single we arrive every single year, we know gdp will look know that our gdp will look a bit better a spreadsheet. but bit better on a spreadsheet. but per we're worse off, per capita, we're worse off, aren't we? >> hang on a second. i mean, >> no, hang on a second. i mean, the scheme is an the ponzi scheme is an interesting huge interesting idea. there's a huge amount evidence thinking amount of evidence i'm thinking of, particularly of the cambridge economics fund, which says generation says the first generation of immigrants country immigrants to this country contribute massively. they work hard. the first generation contribute massively. they work hard. tithe rst generation contribute massively. they work hard. tithe money,eration contribute massively. they work hard. tithe money,erati(second creates the money, the second generation looks after it, and the third generation spends it. so you know, there's certain the third generation spends it. so you iofyw, there's certain the third generation spends it. so you iof evidence; certain the third generation spends it. so you iof evidence; certhat. amount of evidence about that. but far as i'm but look, as far as i'm concerned, we actually should be getting a grip on this. and sorting out. where i do agree sorting it out. where i do agree vehemently is that we vehemently with david is that we should training own

should be training our own people. the that so people. and the idea that so many use immigration many companies use immigration as for nothing as an excuse for doing nothing in apprenticeships, in the way of apprenticeships, that's the birds. we that's that's for the birds. we got get a on it. and so got to get a grip on it. and so let's forget about the numbers. and i think also david's anecdotal evidence about people being mean, being of military age. i mean, you to see the you know, i'd like to see the stats because don't stats on that because i don't i don't actually see that on the drill so, look, let's get drill down. so, look, let's get a over who we've got a control over who we've got coming but let's not coming in here, but let's not demonise, you know, an entire group particularly, group of people, particularly, you know, those for whom this country is beacon country is a beacon and for whom, know, this country whom, you know, this country provides a great hope for them. and it, we pretty and let's face it, we do pretty well them in many cases. well out of them in many cases. >> know. indeed. look, both >> you know. indeed. look, both of very much. of you, thank you very much. great both on the great to have you both on the show. fantastic way to kick start this hour. that is david curtain there as the of curtain there as the leader of the party, always a the heritage party, always a popular guest on this channel. and former labour mp stephen and the former labour mp stephen pound, the pound, another friend of the show. okay so a police show. right. okay so a police chief investigation chief is under investigation for wearingthis a walter mitty medal. this is a walter mitty story, right? i always quite like ones. despite it like these ones. despite it being only 15 years old when the war walter mitty

war started. so the walter mitty officer facing a probe . i officer is now facing a probe. i wanted to know how big a problem is the veterans is this in the veterans community? do people go around? is this in the veterans co itmunity? do people go around? is this in the veterans co it whaty? do people go around? is this in the veterans co it what do do people go around? is this in the veterans co it what do they >ople go around? is this in the veterans co it what do they calls go around? is this in the veterans co it what do they call itjo around? is this in the veterans co it what do they call it in around? is it what do they call it in america? is it stolen valour? i think they call it. anyway, i'm patrick christie's gb news, britain's news channel

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economic good news for once coming your way. the latest optimistic figures show that the uk is now outperforming france and germany, proving the doubters wrong . oh, and 20 mile doubters wrong. oh, and 20 mile an hour zones. well after wales has made changes to their road rules , the prime minister is set rules, the prime minister is set to tackle anti motorist policies at the upcoming conservative party conference. do you think that will be a vote winner for rishi? but before all of that stuff, this story caught my eye and a mixture really of kind of well, laughter i think, but also pity. maybe a walter mitty style fantasy is under investigation for wearing a falklands medal, even though he was only 15 years old. and in the cadets no less at the time of the war, 57 year old police chief constable nick adderley could face gross misconduct and a board and dismissal as well, following a complaint that he's repeatedly worn the south atlantic medal. but is it really a crime to wear a false badge? joining me to discuss this is manny knows all

about this kind of stuff. his former head of counter terrorism. it's major general chip chapman. chip, thank you very, very much. big very, very much. so how big a problem is the walter mitty side of thing with veterans, do you think? like all these things, >> well, like all these things, what you need do on the what you need to do on the walter mitty side is to benchmark the problem is. benchmark what the problem is. and really know the and we don't really know the scale. caught of scale. they're caught out, of course, you example course, because you have example things falklands veteran things like a falklands veteran who couple of ago, who died a couple of weeks ago, buned who died a couple of weeks ago, buried week. denzil buried last week. denzil connick, bloke, connick, very legendary bloke, someone his someone turning up at his funeral beret and funeral with an sas beret and a military medal, a gallantry award from the falklands that is so obvious people that so obvious to people that he's called sent on way called out and sent on his way in way. after that . in a robust way. after that. now, is it worth consuming legislative time to put this as an offence in law in the way that stolen valour is in the us? >> so let's just on that. so on that, that's an important point. so in america where you get criminal charges for faking it, do you. you can't over here. >> no. and of course the scale , >> no. and of course the scale, if you were to go to prosecution to a prosecution thing is, of course, you need legislation for

that which consumes time. when the veteran affairs have a lot of other stuff to do. and on the other side, a lot these other side, a lot of these people who up , are they to people who turn up, are they to be pitied in terms of there are significant be pitied in terms of there are signiturn|t be pitied in terms of there are signiturn up at these things who who turn up at these things who have health issues. so have mental health issues. so that's your left and right of arc. do you want to legislate to prosecute should do prosecute or should we do something with guys something with these guys because for now. because they're pity. for now. this completely this guy is a completely different because different kettle of fish because he be mixing a number he seems to be mixing a number of medals. so, for example , of medals. so, for example, three of the medals which the chief constable has, he would have earned. so for example, the 2002 queen's queen's golden jubilee medal and 2012 queen's diamond jubilee medal and the police long service and good conduct medal. he might also have earned the fourth medal there. the general service medal, northern ireland, because the navy and he was in the navy for ten years. did do two operations in northern ireland, operation lifespan and sea lion, thatis operation lifespan and sea lion, that is inland waters on loch ness and the coast. so he could have earned four medals, the falklands medal? absolutely not.

>> why do people do it? do you think? do you think it's because they it's cool or that they think it's cool or that they think it's cool or that they won't get out because they won't get found out because they won't get found out because the very they won't get found out because the on very they won't get found out because the on this very they won't get found out because the on this stuff? very hot on this stuff? >> yeah, there are a number of people who think it's cool, but i think understand i don't think they understand the knowledge and the the corporate knowledge and the networking between people in the military. absolutely military. you absolutely know what medals people should get, in order they're worn, and in what order they're worn, and whether they deserve them or not. we've seen people turning up on remembrance day with sort of fake victoria crosses, fake george crosses all sorts of things. it's they're going to be caught out all the time on that sort of stuff. >> i know i think like i >> i know that i think like i said at start there, i've said at the start there, i've probably a bit a mixture probably got a bit of a mixture of pity because i find it a little bit sad actually, that it would imply to me that maybe somebody is unhappy with their own to own lives. they feel the need to show bit like a child. so show off a bit like a child. so i've got that side of things. but actually, do of people but actually, do a lot of people in the military just find this genuinely offensive, especially if friends? if they've got fallen friends? >> they do, >> yeah, they do. they do, absolutely. they know absolutely. because they know that they the medals

that they deserve the medals they've got, particularly those in the combat zone, because you're generally the medals you're generally the medals you're awarded outside of the jubilee type medals , the ones jubilee type medals, the ones which you get for risk. and ngoun which you get for risk. and rigour. that is, you've got a chance of being killed. and if you turn when you didn't have you turn up when you didn't have a being killed, then a chance of being killed, then people take offence of people really take offence of that. this could face that. so this guy could face gross misconduct chucked on a disciplinary board . disciplinary board. >> i don't know whether the irony here will be that you guys are medals off him. are the medals taken off him. we'll wait and see. but we'll have to wait and see. but is fair enough then? do you is that fair enough then? do you think that someone face think that someone should face gross it gross misconduct for hamming it up a bit? >> i do, i'll tell you why. >> i do, and i'll tell you why. because in 2014, i actually did the police review into discipline in england and wales, the review, was the chapman review, which was laid parliament. some laid before parliament. some of the majored on within the things i majored on within that involved nolan that were involved the nolan principles. that's the principles of public life, which include honesty and integrity. if this is a genuine mistake, that's fine . if it's honesty and that's fine. if it's honesty and integrity issues , then you come integrity issues, then you come back to the two psychological things that you always ask yourself when you meet someone,

do i trust person? and do i trust this person? and could with this person? could i work with this person? if in the if the answer to those in the case of the chief constable is no, then he should go in the same way that the chief constable of the psni had to go because lose one of because you either lose one of four you lose the four constituency, you lose the police rank and file , the pcc, police rank and file, the pcc, police and crime commissioner for the public or some of those elements. if those are gone , you elements. if those are gone, you should go. >> no, it's fascinating stuff really. in a way , i wonder really. in a way, i wonder whether or not this guy suffered enough. i mean, he's been plastered all over the newspapers, papers. his name is out will never live out there. he will never live this down at all. whenever you know this guy for what it's worth, has by the sounds of things, many, many things, actually had many, many years of pretty unblemished service service and probably deserves a huge of credit deserves a huge amount of credit for unfortunately for for that. but unfortunately for him now, is what he'll be him now, this is what he'll be remembered for. >> it will be should he go. we'll have to see if was, as we'll have to see if it was, as i say, honest mistake. that's i say, an honest mistake. that's fair enough. needs take fair enough. he needs to take those down. but what i've those medals down. but what i've never before is mixing the never seen before is mixing the medals you have earned,

medals of which you have earned, which he has a number and ones medals of which you have earned, which he,has a number and ones medals of which you have earned, which he, lis a number and ones medals of which you have earned, which he, i think,|mber and ones medals of which you have earned, which he, i think, saidr and ones medals of which you have earned, which he, i think, said thati ones medals of which you have earned, which he, i think, said that hises which he, i think, said that his brother or one of his relatives had. often get at had. what you often get at remembrance which is remembrance day, which is acceptable, wear your own acceptable, is you wear your own medals. example, medals. and then, for example, your grandfathers your grandmother or grandfathers on the other side. this is different than that. and it's different than that. and so it's quite what medal quite unusual. what what medal do you got? >> more than he has. is >> i've got more than he has. is that thing that you that another thing that you should is this another way actually you can turn to distinguish between walter distinguish between a walter mitty someone mitty and somebody else, someone like really like to talk actually really like to talk about it, is that right? >> no, but the other thing, which is really easy to say about this guy is if you look at the the paper, as the pictures in the paper, as they predate 2022 because they must predate 2022 because he chief constable . well, he is the chief constable. well, he is the chief constable. well, he also have the queen's he should also have the queen's platinum jubilee medal and more recently, the king's coronation medal. so these are slightly historic photos. so we also need to look at whether there is an agenda from someone with slightly historic photos. all of them are out of date. and what you really need to because you really need to see, because he's been well photographed throughout as chief throughout his career as chief constable, take the off

constable, take the medals off what medal ribbons has got what medal ribbons has he got underneath that will tell you if he's really hamming it up or not. right. >> interesting stuff, chief. thank you very much. thank you very, very much. appreciate into the appreciate you coming into the studio and clearing up. i'm studio and clearing that up. i'm glad been glad that i have not been done for kind walter mitty for any kind of walter mitty medal situation. i'll be careful to keep them to myself right. okay. come okay. loads more still to come between and we'll between now and 5:00 and we'll between now and 5:00 and we'll be the inbox. in be going into the inbox. in fact, i'll go to the inbox right now, gbviews@gbnews.com because i asking you in of the i was asking you in light of the latest opinion that have latest opinion polls that have come out to basically where come out to basically rank where people important people think the most important issues this country issues facing this this country are britain, immigration are in britain, immigration up there, level there, clearly the highest level since and also been since 2017. and it's also been the economy and the nhs. and that be echoed really that appears to be echoed really in the inbox . that appears to be echoed really in the inbox. law and order is another really big one here. i'm just going to go to kim who says i would put immigration first. i will put the nhs and will put the nhs second and there's a net zero one in here as well. say that that will as well. they say that that will lead, their view, to lead, in their view, to impoverishment and misery. lead, in their view, to impovnan hment and misery. lead, in their view, to impovnan issuet and misery. lead, in their view, to impovnan issue for|d misery. lead, in their view, to impovnan issue for them.>ry. lead, in their view, to impovnan issue for them. the that's an issue for them. the biggest issue has always been the rich and poor, the gap between rich and poor, says and one says somebody else. and one more

from who says that actually from ian who says that actually illegal immigration is most illegal immigration is the most serious issue for that will serious issue for me. that will be interesting dynamic be another interesting dynamic that like to hear you that i'd like to hear from you from here. you care more from here. do you care more about legal immigration, i.e. the game or illegal the numbers game or illegal immigration? because of course thatis immigration? because of course that is a much smaller number, but arguably more egregious. but anyway, more still to come anyway, loads more still to come between and 5:00 because between now and 5:00 because we've got some good economic news the uk news people. yes, as the uk outperforms france and germany proving the doubters wrong or that's what our chancellor says anyway. is it time for us to start backing brexit? britain we've been doing rather well. crucially though, as well as we looked at jeremy hunt there. jeremy. is it time to get the taxes cut? but right now it's your headlines with arron armstrong . it is 431. armstrong. it is 431. >> i'm arron armstrong and the gb newsroom. a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral. pupils were on their way to colleagues

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website. gb news.com. >> well, website. gbnews.com. >> well, here we go. good news. yes, we need a bit of that at the moment, don't we? on the economic front, at least gdp rose by 0.3% in the first quarter of this year. now that's more than initially expected by the office for national statistics and actually puts statistics and it actually puts the crucially ahead of the uk crucially ahead of countries like france and germany when it comes to economic growth . chancellor economic growth. chancellor jeremy says the figures jeremy hunt says the figures prove the doubters so was prove the doubters wrong. so was leaving the european union. the right decision for economic growth in this country ? joining growth in this country? joining me now is the former bank of england and uk treasury adviser is dr. rogerjawab. thank you very much, roger. great to have you on the show. firstly, does this prove that we were right to leave the eu? you know , i don't leave the eu? you know, i don't think it does . think it does. >> the brexit still hasn't been properly implemented and there's a lot of talk about it, but

there are many laws. we're still stuck with. there are all sorts of things that should have been implemented. some implement it, i'm sorry, some would say 24 to 48 hours after we brexited , 48 hours after we brexited, which still haven't been done . which still haven't been done. there's a host of other things that we're still rather tied to and many people are saying that this is what's held up getting the good results from brexit. so i think this is probably a positive blip, if you will, a positive blip, if you will, a positive blip, if you will, a positive blip . positive blip. >> but i mean, it's been going on since it for about four years now. we've been beating the french and the germans, haven't we? >> i don't know off the statistics are varied on different things depending on what you look at. but what is clear is that the government still has not implemented brexit as it was planned to be implemented . implemented. >> okay. all right. well, now now the talk will turn to the

tax burden on brits. and it is not just wealthy, super rich people moaning about how much tax they're having to pay. now. it's an increasing number of ordinary brits who are footing a higher tax burden than they've ever had to do. should we be cutting tax now? should jeremy hunt be saying this ? hunt be saying this? >> yes, absolutely . i mean, we >> yes, absolutely. i mean, we have taxes now that haven't been this high since the coronation of her late majesty. the queen. we have the highest taxes in europe and they keep going up . europe and they keep going up. on top of everything else, jeremy hunt introduced corporation tax increase, which sure should come, but not perhaps in the middle of a cost of living crisis. and we're just being taxed out of existence as well. >> when you say being taxed out of existence, i mean, what does that really look like? because some people will say, well, we've got more people in this country than ever before.

therefore, we've needed more money than we've ever needed for our services. and that our public services. and so that money's from money's got to come from somewhere got to come somewhere and it's got to come from us. >> having more people >> well, having more people means there's more earnings >> well, having more people m(bes there's more earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed there's more earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed onere's more earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed on ay's more earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed on a fair|ore earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed on a fair and earnings >> well, having more people m(be taxed on a fair and equalgs to be taxed on a fair and equal basis. so having more people should actually mean that the tax burden could actually be lowered. these are not a bunch of freeloaders that each of us who does pay tax has to carry . who does pay tax has to carry. >> okay? i mean, people might use that as a bit of a question as to whether or not mass levels of immigration are indeed working . i mean, one would working. i mean, one would assume that if we were attracting the best and the brightest people, they brightest people, that they would a high would be paying a high proportion therefore proportion of tax and therefore other people have to pay other people would have to pay less but that's clearly not less tax. but that's clearly not happening, ? happening, is it? >> well, no, but i mean, the number of people involved in immigration is a very small number. they're they're are actually 68 million of us. patrick. so you know, the taxation is on a quite larger, quite larger number of people.

but you asked about tax cuts and ihave but you asked about tax cuts and i have i actually have a theory about that. >> go on. >> go on. >> well, i mean, i think that i think that the government has been for some time building up a war chest through excessive taxation , because i predict that taxation, because i predict that we are going to have massive , we are going to have massive, absolutely massive tax cuts before the next general election. i believe that that's their strategy. tax cuts are so large that labour will never be able to match them. i mean, we can't afford tax cuts, but all of a sudden wait a minute, we can come up with 7 billion of lost tax to do away with inheritance tax for the wealthier blue wall voters. and as one journalist pointed out, rishi, who personally will benefit by some 300 million from

that. so we can afford that 7 billion, but we can't afford anything else. well, i mean , if anything else. well, i mean, if we can afford 7 billion to get rid of inheritance tax for the wealthy, why instead don't we raise the threshold from 12,000 to 20,000? so all those people who are being dragged into the tax net by jeremy hunts stealth taxes , go back to where they taxes, go back to where they were and don't receive this crippling burden . crippling burden. >> so you honestly think , do >> so you honestly think, do you, that the next election, before the next election, whenever that may well end up being , you whenever that may well end up being, you think whenever that may well end up being , you think there's a being, you think there's a decent chance that jeremy jeremy from a counts is going to stand up and say i am slashed tax in a way that labour can't possibly compete with? really? that doesn't seem very jeremy from account . account. >> i'm sorry, first of all, jeremy is not from accounts. jeremy is not from accounts. jeremy he has not worked for 24 hours in his life in any financial organisation and yet

he's managing the finances of this country. i mean, not, not anything to do with any business thatis anything to do with any business that is involved in finance . so that is involved in finance. so that's number one. number two, yes , i believe and i actually yes, i believe and i actually predict and i will bet you, patrick, an expensive , very patrick, an expensive, very expensive tin of sardines that there will be massive tax cuts before the next general election. jeff if he's still there or whomever will turn around and say, oh, my gosh, look at this money. we just discovered. now the same thing happened last november . if you happened last november. if you remember, jeremy softened us up with with with brexit project fear type tactics about . the £55 fear type tactics about. the £55 billion, famous or infamous black hole that had to be filled immediately and within a couple of weeks we had £25 billion of tax increases , mainly through tax increases, mainly through stealth taxes. that is to say

widen the net so more people fall into taxation for higher amounts rather than increasing the tax rate. the other half of the tax rate. the other half of the 55 billion, the other 30 billion, if you recall, was going to be public service cuts, education and police, blah, blah, blah. and two days after those tax increases were introduced , jeremy said, we're introduced, jeremy said, we're to going put off the 30 billion for the next few years. now numerous think tanks jumped into this and said, wait a minute , this and said, wait a minute, the way these guys are calculating the national debt now , now is not the way it was now, now is not the way it was calculated for a long time, including when rishi was chancellor. and we actually have a some said 30 billion, some said £15 billion surplus, not a £55 billion black hole. so it's my belief we're being gaslighted , we're being manipulated. it's the same old story. and i think you're going to see it all come to its conclusion when you see giant tax cuts before a general

election. >> you know what? gaslighting has incredibly negative connotations for good reason. i was just trying to work out how much i would care if i'd have been gaslit for the last two years if that culminates in a massive reduction in the amount of tax that me and everyone i know is going to have to pay and that that would end up with, you know, a little bit more money in the old bank account. but but maybe that's one type of gaslighting might able gaslighting that might be able to blind eye to. but to turn a blind eye to. but rogen to turn a blind eye to. but roger, thank you very, very much. always a pleasure to have you dr. roger giwa you on the show. dr. roger giwa but there economic expert, former adviser, of course, to the treasury and the bank of england. now i've been asking you course you throughout the course of this what's most this show, what's the most important britain this show, what's the most imjyou?|t britain this show, what's the most imjyou? an britain this show, what's the most imjyou? an ipsos britain this show, what's the most imjyou? an ipsos mori britain this show, what's the most imjyou? an ipsos mori pollin this show, what's the most imjyou? an ipsos mori poll has for you? an ipsos mori poll has come out and said that immigration, the fear the immigration, the fear of the concerns i is concerns over i think is a better way of putting it at its highest level since 2017. double what it was at the start of this yean what it was at the start of this year. jim's been on, he says. patrick illegal immigrants. okay, fine. so that's the illegal of not just the illegal side of it, not just the legal side of it. cashless society. point you in the

society. i may point you in the direction our don't kill cash direction of our don't kill cash anyway, extremely poor leadership the leadership qualities across the political no political parties that cause no confidence in the future. jim i think is a fantastic point think that is a fantastic point . are we being . poor leadership. are we being led by donkeys essentially? are we being led by are we we being led by idiots? are we being run by people who don't have a clue? roger griswold there alluded to something that have a clue? roger griswold the melluded to something that have a clue? roger griswold theme baffles :o something that have a clue? roger griswold theme baffles :o somethirif that have a clue? roger griswold theme baffles :o somethirif you for me baffles me. okay. if you have job in the and have any job in the country and you have job applicants for that , and someone turned up and said, i have never worked in this industry before, i have got no qualifications that would support me working in this industry other than fact industry other than the fact that i exist as a human that i merely exist as a human being. you would not employ them. but when it comes to government like at the treasury, they're like with our chancellor, real chancellor, jeremy hunt, no real banking experience, nothing like that comes that at all. if it comes to somebody in charge of education, have they ever been a teacher ? have they ever been a teacher? have worked in have they ever worked in education? say the education? you could say the same well, you, for same as well, couldn't you, for health? it doesn't seem health? well no, it doesn't seem to in politics. you can to matter in politics. you can just get a job based on the fact that exist and happens to be that you exist and happens to be in the cabinet in and around the cabinet without practical

without any practical experience. would never in experience. you would never in any of life do that, any other walk of life do that, would you? but when comes would you? but when it comes to running country, we do it running the country, we do it all the time. i find that baffling. gb views of gb views dot email jim dot com. good email thatjim up there the day now there for email of the day now up next 20 mile an hour zones. the prime minister says it's a war on motorists amid reports that he announce a ban on that he could announce a ban on councils imposing the speed limit. on this limit. we did a bit on this yesterday in wales and it's gone down cup of cold sick in down like a cup of cold sick in wales by the way. about a million people signing a petition to say they are petition to say that they are dead bus routes dead against this bus routes being people out in being delayed. people out in force this ridiculous force saying this is ridiculous . have you lowered the speed . why have you lowered the speed limit hour? limit for 20 miles an hour? well, apparently rishi sunak is saying that maybe he'll come out against you against it. would that make you inclined vote for you inclined to vote for him? you couple with maybe couple that with ulez and maybe he's pushing back on a perceived couple that with ulez and maybe he'sonishing back on a perceived couple that with ulez and maybe he'son motorists.: on a perceived couple that with ulez and maybe he'son motorists. patrick erceived war on motorists. patrick christys gb news.

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> welcome back. 446 you are watching and listening to me patrick christys on gb news loads coming your way, but first rishi sunak is set to block councils from introducing a 20 mile an hour speed limit. so supposedly the prime minister will unveil a series of policies aimed at drivers during the conservative party conference. so as we understand it, rishi sunakis so as we understand it, rishi sunak is going to put fonnard a pro motorist party conference, pro motorist policies. it comes after wales controversial to cut the default speed limit from 30 miles an hour to 20 miles an

hour. miles an hour to 20 miles an hour . do you miles an hour to 20 miles an hour. do you get particularly exercised over this? i wonder whether or not it's really all about the speed limit or whether or not it's another perceived impact on motorists. but a lot of cycle lanes popping up. find more people are riding bikes great. nothing against cyclists whatsoever, but there is a sense that maybe they're getting in the way of traffic and that maybe slowing traffic then maybe slowing traffic down. then you've being told you've got motorists being told you're going to have to buy a new electric or a hybrid or new electric car or a hybrid or whatever that is simply out of reach would most reach for. i would argue most people current economic people in the current economic climate, certainly for climate, certainly outreach for me. about you at me. i don't know about you at home and you've got things like the congestion the ulez and other congestion charges. i think, a charges. there is, i think, a perception been perception that there's been a war motorists. so that 20 war on motorists. so that 20 mile hour speed limit, i'm mile an hour speed limit, i'm not if it's just about the not sure if it's just about the fact that you're driving a bit slower. lot places where slower. a lot of places where there was a 30 mile an hour speed limit, that's now a 20 mile hour speed limit. mile an hour speed limit. certainly around major cities, you been quite lucky you might have been quite lucky to anyway. i think it's to hit 30 anyway. i think it's maybe slightly bigger maybe just a slightly bigger

picture issue here, but i'm joined by the policy director for the welsh conservative senate sam senate group. it is sam rowlands. thank you very rowlands. sam, thank you very much. have you on. do much. great to have you on. do you think it would be a vote winner then to actually reverse 20 mile an hour speed limits or is just a gimmick ? is itjust a gimmick? >> well, certainly not >> well, it's certainly not a gimmick. what the prime minister has today is listen to has done today is listen to people and their concerns, and that's something the welsh government have complete government seem to have complete inability to do. the prime minister's heard what people in wales are saying by signing that petition of, as you said earlier, getting close to half a million people signing a petition. now because they're sick of not being listened to by the welsh government. but i think you're absolutely right to point this picture. point to this bigger picture. but perhaps people see it but perhaps some people see it as attack on motorists as an attack on motorists because on because most people depend on cars getting around their cars for getting around their daily especially here in daily lives, especially here in wales, many rural wales, where many rural communities where cars are really, important. in really, really important. and in addition happening in addition to things happening in england around and other england around ulez and other schemes in wales, the welsh government has also effectively banned , banned any future

banned yes, banned any future road building. so it's not just road building. so it's notjust this one item. there's many things that affect the motorists at the moment and they get frustrated. yeah just talk to me about that. >> i think a lot of people won't have been aware of it, which is that you've got all of these different things, you've got different things, so you've got the you drive a, you the idea if you drive a, you know, an older petrol or diesel car, for me that would imply that maybe in an that you are maybe in an economic bracket that can't afford to a new car every afford to get a new car every few years. othennise it's reasonable to expect that you would that. so you're would have done that. so you're not most not necessarily the most economically person. economically well off person. you're that you're being told now that you're clobbered you're going to get clobbered left, centre. you've left, right and centre. you've then things like additional then got things like additional ulez or congestion zone ulez charges or congestion zone charges. got tolls on charges. you've got tolls on motonnays, all sorts. but in wales you're saying that wales what you're saying is that they're just not going they're they're just not going to build any more roads. >> that's right. the welsh government, as soon they got government, as soon as they got elected, labour government elected, the labour government at the last election in 2021, when the first things they did was reverse a bunch of work which was looking to improve our

road network in wales. and they said, we're going to stop building roads because we don't think good for the think it's good for the environment. and now many people in wales, as i said, depend on cars for their daily lives and it can start to sound a little bit like a middle class is taking over with all these lovely ideas of how people should live their lives for many people living in the real world, jump people living in the real world, jump in your car, getting to work, dropping your kids off at school. it is daily reality and at the moment we've got a labour government in wales make not government in wales who make not even difficult for people. even more difficult for people. >> on. do think >> okay, go on. do you think there's war going on there's a class war going on here? do think we've here? do you think that we've got, know, lovely people got, you know, lovely people with, know, the socks and with, you know, the socks and sandals brigade who like to, you know of pinot know, swill a glass of pinot grigio around the fire pit in their back garden with a labradoodle somewhere nearby and a bit of foie gras on the go. and pontiff about the wider world afford to have world and can afford to have luxury beliefs wouldn't it luxury beliefs like wouldn't it be nice if we all just rode a tandem bike to work the days tandem bike to work on the days that we freely choose to go into the office and real people who

go life's a bit go right. my life's a bit chaotic. i've three kids chaotic. i've got three kids here. they're all absolute here. they're all an absolute nightmare. get you nightmare. i've got to get you to school, you to swimming, practise get to work practise i've got to get to work for my medium paid job. and those people just want to drive and they want everyone to and they want everyone else to shut them with it. >> i'm not sure i want to say it's a class war, but it does certainly seem to be hints of people. perhaps living in a very different world to where most of the i represent live, the people i represent live, which is, as you say, wanting to do the daily things that everyone wants to enjoy in everyone just wants to enjoy in life restricted to everyone just wants to enjoy in life extent restricted to everyone just wants to enjoy in life extent that restricted to everyone just wants to enjoy in life extent that perhapsd to everyone just wants to enjoy in life extent that perhaps they are the extent that perhaps they are making lives more difficult. making the lives more difficult. so yeah, what we need to make sure is that people are being properly represented. and i think that's what we've seen in wales by this petition. and wales here by this petition. and i the show yesterday i said on the show yesterday with you, patrick, that more people this people have now signed this petition than voted for labour in the last ten elections here in the last ten elections here in wales. clear message in wales. that's a clear message to the labour party in wales and actually doesn't actually rishi sunak doesn't have listen to that voice in have to listen to that voice in particular, but chosen to particular, but he's chosen to because right thing to

do. >> you know what i am waiting for, by the i am waiting for, by the way? i am waiting for, by the way? i am waiting for the day that anybody who signed petition gets called signed that petition gets called far had it with the far right. we've had it with the ulez khan in ulez thing with sadiq khan in london it was a&e you look london where it was a&e you look around at audience and you around at the audience and you think, i'm i'm not think, well, i'm not i'm not entirely convinced that everybody there actually is a member the right. but but member of the far right. but but do think is potentially do you think he is potentially now actually hamming up this perceived a war on perceived idea of a war on motorists? what would you say to people from environmental people from the environmental lobby look , what you're lobby who say, look, what you're doing here is you're going in the wrong direction? we've just started drilling for new oil and gas . we've we've slowed down on gas. we've we've slowed down on net and now , you know, net zero. and now, you know, you're encouraging more people into their cars. do you really care about the planet? >> well , let's take a step back >> well, let's take a step back for a moment. and we're all we all aware that we need to do our bit to affect climate change. and that's why it's incredible, isn't it , and that's why it's incredible, isn't it, that the and that's why it's incredible, isn't it , that the uk has been isn't it, that the uk has been the most effective across the g7 in making that difference over the last 30 years. so we're

going in the right direction. my experience in life is that you want to make change effective and make change happen. you have to bring people with you. and at the moment it feels like things are done to people rather are being done to people rather than with and we already than with people. and we already know a shift know that there is a shift towards cleaner vehicles. there already a to shift the way in which we live our lives, which has to be taken a step at a time. and we have to bring people with us on this metaphorical journey as well as metaphorical journey as well as metaphorical journeys. >> crucially, at 30 miles an houn >> crucially, at 30 miles an hour. you very much. great hour. thank you very much. great to have you on the show and we'll no doubt chat to you again very sam rollins as very soon. sam rollins there as well, conservatives policy director welsh senate. director of the welsh senate. look, is very often this look, this is very often do this very often do this the front very often do this on the front of guardian here. yes, there of the guardian here. yes, there we go. sunak puts car drivers first new election battle first in new election battle line. and the bit there that is right it is an election right is that it is an election battle line. we are starting to see now chasms opening up between the parties. two between the two parties. two major parties. and that's a good thing . you be able to thing. you want to be able to

choose what it is voting choose what it is you're voting for. you want points of difference. so you could fit a rizla paper between two main rizla paper between the two main parties the best of the parties for the best part of the last or two. so would it last year or two. so would it make you more likely vote make you more likely to vote tory was overtly more pro tory if it was overtly more pro car? to know car? i want to know gbviews@gbnews.com. but still to come. patel come. dame priti patel has spoken here spoken exclusively with us here at gb news outlining her plans to tackle the immigration issues facing britain. oh as well, the bbc. they've caved in to gary lineker. i'll tell you why in a tick patrick christys gb news, britain's news channel >> hello. it's aidan mcgivern here met office with here from the met office with the news forecast. fine. for the gb news forecast. fine. for many of us today with sunny spells, blustery showers spells, but blustery showers will especially in the will continue, especially in the far north. we've got low pressure close to north of pressure close to the north of scotland. a couple of occluded fronts moving through tightly packed some quite packed isobars. so some quite lively weather here. elsewhere, showers, and far between showers, few and far between 1 or for northern ireland, or 2 for northern ireland, northern england, peter northern england, they peter out through clear skies through the evening, clear skies developing and the showers developing then and the showers in the north of scotland become fewer overnight with the winds easing here. so with lighter winds night and

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well . well. >> hello, it's 5 pm. it's patrick christys is gb news. and we start with that devastating news of the school bus tragedy. 14 year old girl has died as well as the bus driver after a school bus carrying around 54 people overturned on the m53 on the wirral. more information on that as we get it. in other news, immigration fears. yes, that's right. the latest poll by ipsos mori shows that more

people than ever , well, since people than ever, well, since 2017, actually are concerned about the level of immigration in this country. is it both legal and illegal? we'll be talking about the ramifications of that and hearing from dame priti patel. i'm also to going be discussing this as well. brexit, victory. yes, brexit, britain victory. yes, that's right. terms of our that's right. in terms of our economy, we are outperforming france and germany, the eu's big hitters. what does it mean now going fonnard, especially when it comes the potential for it comes to the potential for tax cuts? with tory party conference just around the corner, could jeremy be about to pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat? but having a look over here as well now? yes, the bbc appears to have caved in to the likes of gary lineker over what their presenters can and cannot tweet christys . gb news tweet patrick christys. gb news throughout the course of this show, i've been asking you what the biggest issue for you is facing britain at the moment. we've had inflation. we've had the cost of living, we've had

crime. immigration, of course, is massive for lot of is a massive issue for a lot of you. me know what your you. but let me know what your top issues facing britain are in light polling light of the latest polling that's out. views and that's come out. gb views and gbnews.com. let me know what they right now they are and why. but right now it's time for your headlines with . aaron good evening to it's with. aaron good evening to it's a minute past five aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. >> a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral . pupils were on on the wirral. pupils were on their way to corley grange grammar school in west kirby grammar school in west kirby grammar school. this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation in between huyton and bebington , between huyton and bebington, ten were taken to ten children were taken to hospital , two with serious hospital, two with serious injuries. of the motonnay injuries. parts of the motonnay remain closed. mark thomas, area manager of merseyside fire and rescue service, says investigations are undennay. >> firefighters worked with emergency services colleagues at scene to stabilise the vehicle

and we ensured the student was safe and we assisted casualties. exiting the bus , working jointly exiting the bus, working jointly with our police and ambulance colleagues. shortly after we were able to assist the casualties onto a second coach to receive care away from the scene on our operations are currently scaling down and currently scaling down and currently we stay at the scene on in attendance to preserve the scene with merseyside police university, birmingham hospitals has been named as the trust where a 19 year old died after a legal battle with the nhs. >> sadiq satiromastix wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interest at the 19 year old died on the 12th of september. university birmingham hospitals trust says the illness was incurable, siddiqa didn't incurable, and siddiqa didn't understand her condition . understand her condition. they've offered heartfelt condolences to her family. a 17

year old boy charged with the murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. elianne andam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she was her way school. the was on her way to school. the teenager, can't be named for teenager, who can't be named for legal reasons, has been legal reasons, has also been charged with possessing knife charged with possessing a knife . the chancellor says the economy's recovered from the pandemic faster than expected after it grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of this year. the office for national statistics initially expected it to rise by 0.1. the government says it will stick to its plan to half inflation. this year. a teenage boy arrested in connection with the cutting down of one of the uk's most photographed trees has been released on bail . the tree been released on bail. the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall featured in the 1991 film robin hood. prince of thieves. the national trust says it was shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree cut down in northumberland . torrential northumberland. torrential downpours have caused flash

flooding in new york city, disrupting subway services and roads. a state of emergency has been declared after around three inches of rain fell overnight with up to seven more expected in some areas. cars are submerged with major roads and subways disrupted . around 18 subways disrupted. around 18 million people in the city are currently under a weather warning. and the new york governor, kathy hochul, has described it as a dangerous and life storm. dame life threatening storm. dame priti patel is calling for a tax cut for hard pressed brits around the country . cut for hard pressed brits around the country. in an exclusive interview with gb news political editor chris hope , the political editor chris hope, the former home secretary says the government should cut public spending ease tax burden spending to ease the tax burden . her comments add pressure on the minister and the the prime minister and the chancellor of the chancellor ahead of the conservative party conference, which gets under way in manchester on sunday. the tax burden is now at a 70 year high. >> that is unsustainable and the people that pay the taxes are hard pressed. brits around the country as conservatives, we

believe in lower taxes and as conservatives, we believe being on the side of hard working households and families. as conservatives , we believe in conservatives, we believe in hope and aspiration. >> so what does that look like now? >> that should mean lower taxes. the burden of tax has to start to come down, reduce the size of the state and ensure that people keep more of their income. >> meanwhile, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, speaking in glasgow this morning, says the government don't have the capacity to fix the economy. government don't have the capicity to fix the economy. government don't have the capi think fix the economy. government don't have the capi think there's economy. government don't have the capi think there's a conomy. government don't have the capi think there's a driving. >> i think there's a driving reason why we've got the highest taxes pretty well on record and that's because of the dismal failure of this government on growth and having failed on growing our economy, they have chosen to put up tax over and over again on working people. and now that is the burden that they are carrying because the government's failure. there is a different choice, which is to have a mission to grow the economy right across the united kingdom. that's the mission the labour party has put out , and labour party has put out, and that's the choice that we would

make. >> and rail passengers are going to face chaos over the next couple of days as train drivers begin industrial action. aslef members began a ban on overtime today. that's ahead of a strike at 16 rail companies tomorrow . at 16 rail companies tomorrow. the union says the walkout will face operators to cancel all services as aslef's general secretary mick whelan argues, members have not had a pay rise for four years. the government and the rail delivery group, though, say there is a fair and reasonable offer on the table and this is gb news on your tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. that's it from me for the moment. now back to . patrick to. patrick >> welcome back, everybody. now unfortunately, we bring you the very sad news at the top of this hour that a 14 year old schoolgirl undercoat driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m53 on the wirral this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it

collided with a car and struck a central reservation. emergency services have held a press conference about the incident. here's the latest from them. >> tragically, we can confirm that there were two fatalities as a result of this crash . a as a result of this crash. a further two patients were taken to alder. hey children's hospital with serious injuries. in addition , we have taken a in addition, we have taken a number of patients to surrounding hospitals to be treated for minor injuries . 50 treated for minor injuries. 50 children were transported to a casualty clearing centre at the emergency service training centre in wallasey . of those 50. centre in wallasey. of those 50. 39 have now been discharged aged well. the bus was carrying pupils on their way to coleby grange grammar school and west kirby grammar school. >> wirral council says that it's working closely with the schools affected crash. i'm going affected by the crash. i'm going to go now to our north—west of england. reporter sophie reaper, who kirby grammar who is at west kirby grammar school joins live . so school and joins us live. so i imagine an immense sense of shock you are now ,

shock around where you are now, as you could only imagine. >> patrick. of course, when we got the news this morning that emergency services had been called to junction five of the m50 three after reports of that bus crash, we heard then that it was carrying pupils from west kirby grammar school for girls. and from calday grange grammar school, both of which are high schools with a sixth form, meaning the pupils. age ranges from 11 all the way up to 18. been a little bit earlier on this afternoon. we did hear that press conference where it was confirmed that a 14 year old girl and the driver of the bus were both killed in the incident. now, at that press conference, we heard condolences from all of the emergency services who, of course, were attending the scene this morning. that motonnay still remaining shut. of course, while that investigation continues , we that investigation continues, we heard first from wirral chief superintendent graeme robson . he superintendent graeme robson. he spoke about the incident itself and the emergency response that was carried out. he also talked about the fact that that bus was

moving in convoy with several other buses from containing children from the two different schools, and that some of the pupils aboard those buses had indeed witnessed the accident taking place. he did confirm as well that those children would now be offered support in lieu of that accident. and he also talked about the fact that the motonnay would now remain closed. as i say, it is still closed. as i say, it is still closed as far as we know. as that investigation continues. they told us this morning they believed bus had believed that the bus had collided with a car and then had hit the central reservation. but that investigation is still ongoing . as you mentioned there. ongoing. as you mentioned there. we heard also from a representative from wirral council , representative from wirral council, simone white. representative from wirral council , simone white. she council, simone white. she talked about the focus of the council being right now supporting the families of those affected, whether the 14 year old girl or the pupils who may have been on the bus or witnessed the accident happening . and they'll be providing support now as we move on in the coming days, she said. we will do whatever we need to do over

time to help are absolutely . time to help are absolutely. >> sophie, thank you very much for the latest update there. sophie reaper our north west of england. reporter just outside west kirby grammar school . west kirby grammar school. shocking news and hopefully as well as we understand that several other people are still in hospital . hopefully that in hospital. hopefully that story doesn't get any worse, but what i'm going to go on now to talk about a new opinion poll that's come out which appears to kind of rank how the public care about a variety of different topics in this country. i've been asking you throughout the course of the show so far, so email gbviews@gbnews.com about theissues email gbviews@gbnews.com about the issues that affect you most. what do you care most about? like i was saying, we've had people touch to say people getting in touch to say crime, net zero agenda, the crime, the net zero agenda, the cost of living crisis. but obviously big obviously immigration is a big one. colour shocked one. and colour me shocked because a new poll by ipsos mori has shown that the public are massively concerned about immigration. , the number immigration. in fact, the number of people concerned about it has almost the start almost doubled since the start of year. it's now at the of the year. it's now at the highest level 2017. for

highest level since 2017. for me, it's by far and away the greatest concern because in my mind it feeds into everything else. when people have concerns about the nhs , how do people about the nhs, how do people expect health service just expect our health service just absorb the best part of a million people each year? the housing crisis there were around 200,000 new homes built last yean 200,000 new homes built last year. apparently but obviously the population grew by a lot more than that. not all of those homes are affordable they're homes are affordable and they're certainly in places certainly not all in places where actually to where people actually want to live rapid population live again. rapid population growth, fuelled mass growth, fuelled by mass migration, is a key issue there. the economy . for too long, the the economy. for too long, the british public has been asked to take part in a ponzi take part in a giant ponzi scheme whereby mass immigration is to be the only way of is deemed to be the only way of propping economy. but propping up our economy. but this false because this is completely false because people are not better off per capita. people are actually worse off. we are individually poorer . suella braverman poorer. suella braverman acknowledged that most illegal immigrants never pay back what they've received from the taxpayer , and we have millions taxpayer, and we have millions of low skilled migrants legally filling low paid jobs that do not end up having a massive net

financial benefit to britain . financial benefit to britain. education student visas are apparently the only way that universities will survive. so we're told. but it's just a back door into britain, isn't it? and students are allowed to bring dependents with them. early years education. we will have to find around 213,000 new school places in the coming years to accommodate youngsters. 1 in 5 of whom, by the way, will be born to foreign born mothers . so born to foreign born mothers. so that doesn't even include first generation migrants crime. there are many accounts out there about how the use of knives and gang warfare is being driven by foreign gangs or people from different cultural backgrounds with different societal norms on culture, for the rapid rate of demographic change is forever altering towns and cities. and that's never going to change back, is it? is it a coincidence . back, is it? is it a coincidence , do you think, that all of that is happening at the exact same time that children are growing up now to be taught to hate british history and culture? now, of course, it is not. and what's another major issue for

people at the moment? taxation is high tax. where's that tax going? a bulge in public sector, a creaking nhs and education system accommodating illegal migrants in hotels . a lot of migrants in hotels. a lot of thatis migrants in hotels. a lot of that is down to mass migration. more people need to come out now and tell it how it is. the leading factor behind broken britain is that we've got a broken immigration system . broken immigration system. that's what i think i want to hear from you. email me gbviews@gbnews.com. maybe you think other things are more important in the country at the moment. maybe the most pressing issue for you is overtly the cost living crisis. is it gp cost of living crisis. is it gp appointments? do you think it all though, from a broken all stems though, from a broken immigration know immigration system? let me know what you think. gb views gb what you think. gb views and gb news this news dot com. but earlier this week, former home secretary, now dame patel. yes, she was dame priti patel. yes, she was invested at the invested as a dame at the ceremony in windsor castle. well, now she's actually done an exclusive interview with gb news

political editor christopher hope out about hope and she's spoken out about the migrant crisis, which has been afflicting britain and what needs to be done to get things back in order. shall we take a look? listen, think on net migration and that's legal migration, by way. migration, by the way. >> know, having that >> you know, having that differentiation legal differentiation between legal and illegal migration is important. that we've said important. those that we've said that we will have to our that we will have come to our country them . we country and support them. we can't just send hollow about net migration figures and basically say it's a disgrace. the point about brexit and migration is control. and we said that we would control migration and that bnngs would control migration and that brings me to my point about the legal system that we have so safe and legal routes bringing people over here and also people that come here to work, people come to the united kingdom through legal routes, nhs visas , example, technology visas , for example, technology visas , investor visas. they come here for good reasons and also students who come to study. in 1000 people came here in the year to june last, right. >> is that uncontrolled or is that acceptable? >> well, controlled because

>> well, it's controlled because they're so we they're here legally, so we can't start saying because the numbers high. totally numbers are high. it's totally uncontrolled. you have a uncontrolled. now you can have a conversation about it . conversation about capping it. that's different. and of course, the levers. the government has levers. absolutely is to absolutely has levers is to bnngin absolutely has levers is to bring in caps. you can cap student numbers. you can cap people that come in through various visa routes. and clearly it's right. think it's right. i think it's absolutely right. i started the work on this before i left government last year. remember, i left government of choice. i left government out of choice. we work in the home we started the work in the home office as how to look at the office as to how to look at the caps and controls around different that different cohorts of people that come to country legally. come to our country legally. >> is it time to out of >> is it time to pull out of the european on human rights? >> so i think it's right that we have this active live discussion and in parliament and i voted in parliament basically to do that. there was a minute rule bill in a ten minute rule bill in parliament, and don't think parliament, and i don't think government take options off government can take options off the i really don't. and the table. i really don't. and i've thought that of i've always thought that of course with endless course it will come with endless challenges difficulties and challenges and difficulties and by way, difficulties that by the way, difficulties that might existing might even impact existing legislation and immigration for bill example, around illegal

migration, nationality borders act. how so ? to give you one act. how so? to give you one example, just on national ltn borders act, i brought in measures where people smugglers could have life sentences. so we need to make sure that, you know, by taking measures on echr, we're not then hurting some of the tough laws that we have in place around people smugglers, traffickers and sentences in care homes. >> well, it's all sorts, of course, but actually , just let's course, but actually, just let's speak about this from an immigration perspective right now. >> you know, we can do much more. there's no doubt about that. through derogations of echr current members of the government who were in previous roles in government were asked to do the work in the last government on this. so clearly there you it's right there is, you know, it's right that we look at all of this. >> yes. well, i'm very pleased to say that. i'm joined now by our editor, our political editor, christopher westminster christopher hope at westminster for you much, for us. thank you very much, christopher. great to have you on the show. so she's adamant, isn't she, that, know, legal isn't she, that, you know, legal immigration, the government has levers , she says, to get this

levers, she says, to get this down. i can't help but wonder whether or not it would have to come alongside the government holding hands up and holding their hands up and saying, right, we're saying, look, right, we're to going that going have to acknowledge that gdp go down a little gdp is going to go down a little bit, but we're doing it for the greater good. >> well, the big issue here is controlled and illegal migration. now, illegal migration. now, illegal migration. we know what that is. that's the small boats issue, which really concerns gb news viewers running maybe 50,000 viewers running it maybe 50,000 this let's wait and see. this year. let's wait and see. the issue of uncontrolled migration is that term was used firstly by suella braverman, the current home secretary , earlier current home secretary, earlier this week. she, of course succeeded ed dame priti patel when she last year as home secretary. the i said that the former home secretary priti patel, isn't 607,000 new arrivals in a net a net number in the 12 months to june uncontrolled and she said no that's controlled . so there is a that's controlled. so there is a debate here to be had and will be had going into the election campaign next year. how much is acceptable is 600,000 people net arriving here? is that a controlled number? and priti patel said that very clearly.

there are levers the government can they cap certain can pull. they can cap certain numbers, stop families , numbers, maybe stop families, families arriving with students from overseas and that kind of thing. but will they try and do that? that's debate, that? and that's the debate, i think this this very think going into this this very important conference important tory conference this weekend manchester, where weekend in manchester, where let's have a little chat about that. >> christopher, it's all right. let's zoom out a little bit and have a look at some of the general political picture and landscape the moment, right? landscape at the moment, right? so got party so we've got the tory party conference coming this conference coming up this weekend into next week, weekend and into next week, which looking fonnard very which i'm looking fonnard very much of shows much to doing a couple of shows from well . and we've got some from as well. and we've got some key battle lines being drawn now. have a now. the tories have piping up a bit on immigration. suella braverman recently we've got rishi promoted . now rishi sunak being promoted. now he's motorist. we've seen he's pro motorist. we've seen the slowdown a bit of net zero, haven't we? so actually we, we haven't we? so actually we, we have a point of difference , some have a point of difference, some points of difference between the two which yeah well two parties which is. yeah well it's good for us, it's good for the nation as well. i would argue. >> well it's good in the sense that it gives choice to voters. there can be quite clear if they

want to have two row back, maybe on those those short term on those those those short term targets, 2030 for the ban on new sales of petrol and diesel cars to 2035 is what the prime minister announced last week, didn't in number 10 downing didn't he? in number 10 downing street patrick, street for me though, patrick, the theme this weekend is the big theme of this weekend is tax. think many people will tax. i think many people will rightly after 13 years rightly be saying after 13 years of government am i better of tory government am i better off? and they are seeing themselves being dragged into these higher tax brackets, 40, 45% tax. and this is for people who wouldn't normally be there, maybe public sector workers, nurses, doctors who shouldn't be paid, shouldn't be paying that much tax. but what's happening is the government keeps those those threshold level. and so as inflation is double digit, people's wages are pushed into these higher levels of tax and they will be feeling poorer because they're getting taxed more heavily . and that more heavily. and i think that is part the problem. we are is part of the problem. we are going to major pressure on going to see major pressure on the government this weekend over what are doing to help what at are you doing to help us? are you doing? you are us? what are you doing? you are the you're power. the levers. you're in power. you're tax party. let's

you're a low tax party. let's see some of that. what a lot of the members are saying to the mps ministers this weekend . absolutely. >> but will jeremy, from accounts. big accounts. listen, that's the big question. christopher, thank you very there very much, christopher. there are westminster. are political in westminster. he's right . are political in westminster. he's right. and tax is something that we're going to be talking about shortly. why? well, because we've some good because we've got some good brexit news brexit britain economic for news you. france, you. we're outperforming france, we're germany. we're outperforming germany. you'd it. that's you'd love to see it. that's what matters, it, what really matters, isn't it, in the scheme of things. in the grand scheme of things. so we right to leave the so were we right to leave the european union? is that what that shows? also is it time to stop listening to a lot of these forecasts? wrong. the forecasts? we got it wrong. the modelling was wrong. the predictions were wrong. they said britain actually predictions were wrong. they said recovered actually predictions were wrong. they said recovered wellrlly predictions were wrong. they said recovered well from hadn't recovered well from coronavirus crisis when actually we a better we had recovered a lot better than our closest neighbours rivals, some would say. but on that, if we're doing well economically or better than expected, economically , is it expected, economically, is it time now to cut the tax burden? should we be doing that? would it be an easy vote winner? can we afford to do it in other news, will also be talking, of news, i will also be talking, of course, whether or not the

course, about whether or not the bbc have let gary lineker off the hook . new rules the hook. as new rules introduced bbc's introduced for the bbc's flagship presenters are introduced on twitter . have they introduced on twitter. have they caved in so crisp ? boy patrick caved in so crisp? boy patrick christys gb news, britain's news channel .

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latest economic figures prove that we were right to leave the eu? we'll be looking at that next and whether or not it is a visible sign that we all should be paying less tax. fingers crossed. but why has west midlands police withdrawn from exhibiting a religious conference in birmingham ? this conference in birmingham? this is something that our very own charlie peters has been working on. he will have an exclusive on that. on. he will have an exclusive on that . more on. he will have an exclusive on that. more information to follow. but i'm telling you, that's going to be good. so keep your eyes peeled for that. now, if you thought the bbc presenters were supposed to be impartial, that the impartial, it appears that the broadcaster itself agree broadcaster itself doesn't agree in overhaul to social media in an overhaul to social media guidelines at the bbc, presenters will be allowed to share on political share their views on political issues. must avoid any form issues. but must avoid any form of political campaigning . that's of political campaigning. that's going to be an absolute minefield by the way, the corporation launched the review following a backlash against his decision to suspend gary lineker . it found the time that . it found at the time that lineker breached lineker had breached impartiality by openly impartiality rules by openly criticising the government's immigration policy on social

media. the. to give us his take, i'm joined now by media lawyer jonathan coe. jonathan, thank you very, very much. is this have they given in to lineker ? have they given in to lineker? what's happened ? well gary what's happened? well gary lineker is their highest paid presenter ever, so he does carry a bit of power. >> it's a really difficult one, patrick. i mean, we are living in an increasingly freespeech world. gb news has allowed to be outspoken on. bless it, because as we have a free speech principle . the question is principle. the question is whether people who have the extreme profile that people like gary lineker have should or not express views on political issues. express views on political issues . well, the bbc has issues. well, the bbc has decided that they they should be allowed to do so. and i think it's down to everyone who's individual consider as to whether that's the right thing

or not. i mean, it does seem odd to me if anything, that's remotely political is something which a high profile presenter is not allowed to speak about. so i don't know whether it's such an extraordinary thing that the bbc has loosened the rules. >> you know what i wonder with it, though, jonathan, you know, i do wonder at some point we might find this out if somebody slips up right. but if gary lineker had like the opposite views that he has. so if gary lineker was a raging tory, okay, and he thought that we should be turning back boats in the channel turning back boats in the channel, that and even went further you know thought that net zero was a complete con and all of that stuff and was tweeting that out there. i don't reckon allowed to do reckon he'd be allowed to do that. i think because he he that. but i think because he he thinks a certain type of way. it's all right because he's he's on the side of the lovely people, you know. and this is why i think it's maybe a little bit of a farce. this bbc presenter stuff. we know what we're going get. we know what we're going to get. we know what they anyway

they all think. anyway >> well, the is certainly >> well, the bbc is certainly perceived to have something of a pink bias , and i think that's pink bias, and i think that's fair enough because i think there's respectable evidence for that. there's respectable evidence for that . the trouble there's respectable evidence for that. the trouble i think, is that. the trouble i think, is that you can't make rules which are that have a political colour. so you've you've either got to say , yes, you can speak got to say, yes, you can speak on political issues or not. i mean, there are a you know, there there is the odd right wing soul at the bbc. i suspect certainly some of the old today programme folk might might be slightly right of centre. but if you're saying that the bbc has given further evidence perhaps that it's tolerates a certain political complexion within its ranks . well, i think you might ranks. well, i think you might be right. yeah >> and i think this is almost potentially a bit of a rod for

its own back. again, we'll have to see because if more to wait and see because if more and more people who work for the to wait and see because if more and aree people who work for the to wait and see because if more and are in)eople who work for the to wait and see because if more and are in inwple who work for the to wait and see because if more and are in in prominentork for the bbc are in in prominent positions come out and openly demonstrate left wing demonstrate an overt left wing bias, it's clearly always bias, then it's clearly always been there, hasn't it? it's clearly always existed. and therefore it's just there therefore now it's just there for the public to it'd be for the public to see. it'd be interesting, won't it, interesting, though, won't it, to that there won't be able to say that there won't be able this a bit i worry about them this is a bit i worry about them actually being able to enforce. at does political at what point does a political view to a political view tie in to a political campaign as we hurtle headlong towards a general election? at some point we are now seeing a clearer distinction between the two parties. and so backing two main parties. and so backing one issue like the 20 ulez or something . well, if labour are something. well, if labour are in favour of ulez, then they're in favour of ulez, then they're in the middle of an election campaign and gary lineker or someone comes out and says they're in favour of it, are they're in favour of it, are they contribute towards a party's electoral campaign? and that just an that i think is just an unenforceable grey area . unenforceable grey area. >> it is very difficult to see exactly how they're to going work in practise. i totally get that. and obviously gary lineker

has indicated that to some extent, you know, his power is so great that the bbc, i mean, what are they going to do? are they going to suspend him or, you know, there'll be such outrage. i mean, what they've tried to do in the bbc is to make a distinction between ordinary life and i've got the wording in front of me a period hang on, where there's actually a election being called . now, we a election being called. now, we also know that before elections are called , the parties are very are called, the parties are very obviously gearing up with an election in mind. and i think we're already in that period now. so does it does it make sense for it to actually be on the day that the prime minister says right . there's going to be says right. there's going to be an election on the 1st of may 20, 24? so you're right that it's fraught with problems, but then speaking as a lawyer, the

law in one sense has to deal with these difficult grey areas. and, you know , if it's hard, and, you know, if it's hard, doesn't mean you can't try and legislate around it. >> yeah, more law that's what we need. gosh, all right. thank you very much, jonathan. always a pleasure. great to have you on the show. take care. jonathan cohn there. media lawyer who, by the sounds of it, is going to be an incredibly busy man, but loads still to come between now an incredibly busy man, but load6:00. to come between now an incredibly busy man, but load6:00. you're1e between now an incredibly busy man, but load6:00. you're1e betwee and w and 6:00. you're watching and listening to me, patrick christys. it's been a day of good news on the economic front. do figures prove do the latest gdp figures prove we were right leave eu we were right to leave the eu and can you be expecting to pay and can you be expecting to pay a little bit less wonga when it comes tax? but right now it's comes to tax? but right now it's your with . our it is 532. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. a 14 year old girl and the driver of a school bus that overturned on the m 53 in the wirral have died. pupils were on their way to caldy grange and west kirby grammar schools this morning. the bus was carrying 54

people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation between royton and bebington. eight other people were taken to hospital. two have serious injuries . the nhs trust serious injuries. the nhs trust that was in a legal battle with the 19 year old before her death, has been named as university hospitals. birmingham sudyka pteromalus wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare mitochondrial disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interests . what was in her best interests. and a 17 year old boy charged with the murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. elianne andam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she her way to while she was on her way to school . i'll be back with more school. i'll be back with more at the top of the next hour or we have more details on our stories website . stories on our website. gb news.com stories on our website. gbnews.com . direct bullion

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comes to economic growth. who are both so—called are both eu so—called powerhouses. so chancellor jeremy hunt says the figures prove the doubters wrong . but do prove the doubters wrong. but do these stats prove that it was these stats prove that it was the right decision to leave the eu and also the clamour will now be growing for tax cuts? i am joined by the barrister writer and housewife's favourite stephen barrett. thank you very much stephen. great to have you on the show. so all of the doomsayers who were very quick to look at now erroneous data which showed that we'd not bounced back , we'd not built bounced back, we'd not built back better from the coronavirus crisis, that our friends over there on the other side of the channel there on the other side of the channel, they were having it off while we were all stuck fighting for whatever scraps food for whatever scraps of food remained burning remained outside a burning little . they were all wrong, little. they were all wrong, weren't they? and actually we're doing are are we doing quite well. are we? are we better out of the eu, do you think? >> well, so never taken >> well, so i've never taken a position, a political position on and i never will. on on brexit and i never will. >> and i do think that gives me a certain freedom that those who

augn a certain freedom that those who align one way or another don't have.i align one way or another don't have. i remember how think it was only a week or so after the referendum all of a sudden those who were terribly upset about leaving were obsessed with data for like a day or two. they were obsessed with it because it showed that we were we were doing slightly less well than germany. and that was taken as holy writ, that brexit was a terrible curse and that and that, you know, we all turned into pillars of salt and then the next week the data didn't support that. and since then data has never been mentioned again . and i rather imagine i'd again. and i rather imagine i'd like think of data bit like to think of data a bit like, like miss havisham sort of sat home alone, wondering why the phone never rings and no one's ever interested in data anymore. you know, it was suddenly, you know, the talk of the town and it's. it's the town and now it's. it's nothing. no one cares. and so we mustn't. or you can as politics. you if you want to. but you can if you want to. but those support leave , you those who support leave, you know, would would be ill advised to copy that and say that this

is proof brexit is working is proof that brexit is working . and what i can do as a lawyer is tell how we have hardly is tell you how we have hardly diverged at all from the eu. so think about it. think about law as an operating system. we we're still running the same version of windows that the eu is running. now, if you believe that there's going to be an economic potential to brexit, which is a perfectly valid political decision, if that's yours, that's that's your position and other positions are available. if you believe that, then you need to diverge from eu law to see the benefits . all we law to see the benefits. all we are seeing is the minor variations that happened when we were inside the eu anyway. you know, when you're inside the eu, it's not every nation state does the same. all the economies fluctuate up and fluctuate down. they've all got different levels of unemployment the is of unemployment. the eu is increasing the level of control it has over member states. it's always the things that always growing the things that it controls. but it doesn't yet fully 100% control every member state so that there is variance

even inside the eu . but what you even inside the eu. but what you if you want . even inside the eu. but what you if you want. so if you so i've just sort of told the leavers off or told them not to get too excited but if so, maybe should be nice to them if they do want a benefit to brexit, then they need to diverge from eu laws. they need to change the outline , steven, on that because i think that's i think that's a that's a really important point, right? >> because you know, brexiteers can't necessarily have it all both ways, which is that it's all easy to look at these figures now as i've been doing, and trumpet them and say, this is fantastic. look, we're doing better germany better than, than germany and france. than we france. eu powerhouses than we were right to leave eu. but were right to leave the eu. but then also simultaneously, like i do that we haven't do complain that we haven't diverged the diverged enough from the european union. so, you know, that's a a tricky that's a that's a tricky position to what areas position to be in. what areas could do you could we diverge in? do you think that may well lead to a greater benefit? mean, is this greater benefit? i mean, is this is this britain doing very well, but still very much with the handbrake on? >> well, i mean , the fact is

>> well, i mean, the fact is that we are aligning still and the public are not necessarily being told that. so we made the political decision to align with the eu on the sale of petrol, cars and gas boilers. it was not sold to the public as alignment with the eu. it was sold as a brave standing up against climate change. eco zealot. but but actually it was just alignment with the eu . we're alignment with the eu. we're going to come under intense pressure. i think the steel industry is already lobbying government, so to align on carbon taxes. that'll be another major battleground. the opportunity for variants are there. i mean, you talk to industry and sector specific people don't know if can talk about law because i still think that would be a political position and therefore i shouldn't, even though i do know quite a lot about the legal industry. there industry. but there are opportunities variants . if opportunities for variants. if you believe, you know, you have to the political will to to have the political will to believe them. they must believe in them. but they must they theoretically be they must theoretically be there. i'll say about there. and all i'll say about there. and all i'll say about the is not

the eu and this is not a criticism of it at all because there are many benefits that flow from from from this. but it has to have one size fits all for what was 28 member states and that is quite difficult to do. and part of the joy i have in writing about the law is nofice in writing about the law is notice the differences between us and the eu and we had a very different constitution and it's not immediately clear that they even noticed. they just passing a law for 28 states, assuming that the same that they all have the same constitution we are the constitution and we are the i think malta is a bit like us as well. but anyway, i'm not a comparative constitutionalist, so shouldn't make definitive statements that. we statements like that. but we were the black sheep were a bit like the black sheep of family just because we of the family just because we have different system have a totally different system and they sort of didn't notice. they know, we were all they were, you know, we were all every had big green every country had a big green field. had sort of field. every country had sort of two of humans on it, and two teams of humans on it, and they were all playing a ball game. and the eu just assumed it was never was the same. and they never sort at us and went, sort of squinted at us and went, oh, uk , are you kicking that oh, uk, are you kicking that ball or are you holding that? and you know, they never got into the detail of that because

that's how made law. that's not how they made law. they're very down. it's very they're very top down. it's very one fits all. um, yes. and one size fits all. um, yes. and if you're indulging said, well, just it's because we are we are a bit precious time so we're going to we are going to wrap there, i'm afraid. >> but if fascinating stuff and i do really appreciate you coming and think providing coming on and i think providing that angle it as well, that little angle on it as well, which that, you know, it does which is that, you know, it does raise serious questions. if we diverge we maybe sort diverge more, if we maybe sort some the competitive some of the competitive advantage be on offer, advantage that may be on offer, what what what could be possible what stephen barrett there, thank you what could be possible what step much, rrett there, thank you what could be possible what step much, isett there, thank you what could be possible what step much, is a there, thank you what could be possible what step much, is a barrister ank you what could be possible what step much, is a barrister and you very much, is a barrister and writer, a of the channel writer, a friend of the channel now christys here gb now patrick christys here on gb news. channel. news. britain's news channel. coming west midlands coming up, why has west midlands police sean from police withdrawn sean from exhibiting at a religious conference in birmingham? it's a really fascinating story this i'll be explaining it in more detail to you very shortly with our reporter charlie peters, who will be here with the exclusive details and details on all of that. and thank you very, very much, by the way, everybody emailing in gbviews@gbnews.com to tell me what they think the most pressing issue facing britain is for it comes off the back

for them. it comes off the back of opinion ipsos mori of that opinion poll. ipsos mori immigration risen up the immigration has risen up the rankings . it's at highest rankings. it's at the highest level in of concern for level in terms of concern for people since 2017. inflation was also in there. the nhs was also in there as well . just quickly, in there as well. just quickly, stephen's been on, he says . stephen's been on, he says. stephen, thank you very, very much. he says, sorry patrick, thank you very, very much for raising the issue. when it comes to immigration. for me it's the biggest issue more. he biggest issue i care more. he says about legal than illegal immigration. for him , that's immigration. for him, that's a numbers game. it's something that impacts our economy even more. views coming in. more. get your views coming in. gb and gbnews.com. we've gb views and gbnews.com. we've got exclusive coming got a gb news exclusive coming your in. just a tick. see your way in. just a tick. see you

on gb news, the people's. channel >> okay. interesting story to bnng >> okay. interesting story to bring to you now. so kind of round off the week. west midlands police has withdrawn from exhibiting at a religious conference in birmingham am after a gb news investigation uncovered controversial remarks by many of its speakers. the police pulled out of the lpm conference hosted by the islam channel after reports of speakers praising the taliban, comparing israeli policy to the and accusing british politicians of being under the influence of zionists. gb news investigator reporter charlie peters has this exclusive report. politics are under pressure from zionists and it's sickening when muslims show affection to non—believers . affection to non—believers. >> that's according to speakers

billed for an upcoming religious festival in birmingham, west midlands police was set to attend the conference, hosted by the islam channel this saturday, but has since pulled out after a gb news investigation exposed the charged rhetoric of the speakers as one of the personalities on the bill is haitham al—haddad, a controversial cleric who last month visited afghanistan and praised the taliban. >> his praise for the kabul regime comes while birmingham resident miles routledge is being held without charge in a taliban prison . taliban prison. >> other speakers include fatima barkatullah in 2014, she tweeted that william hague must be under a lot of pressure from zionists. dr. louis fotouhi described israel's actions in palestine as a gaza court and compared it to the holocaust, saying that the shame of the world is even greater now. earlier this week, the islam channel was fined £40,000 by ofcom after it

broadcast hate speech against jewish people . the campaign jewish people. the campaign against antisemitism told gb news that it was wrong for the islam channel to host a conference that includes a speaker who has compared israeli policy to that of the. it said that west midlands police was right to withdraw from the event and that other speakers should reconsider their involvement. we break down the word attendees will also hear from american muslim influencer usha evans , muslim influencer usha evans, who has said that it sickened him when muslims showed affection for disbelievers , as affection for disbelievers, as in birmingham . some residents in birmingham. some residents said that it was right for west midlands police to attend the event. >> everyone's entitled to their own opinions. i feel like i see freedom of speech is a big thing of this country and i feel like everyone's entitled to their own opinion. so i don't really have anissue opinion. so i don't really have an issue with it . an issue with it. >> i believe that every man has a right to speak his his word . a right to speak his his word. you know, england is a free country. >> the islam channel said it was

a completely non—political conference focussed on the life of the prophet and that none of the speeches will have any political content . west midlands political content. west midlands police federation chair richard cook said the police pulling out was the right decision in with or without the police . the event or without the police. the event will go ahead . charlie peters gb will go ahead. charlie peters gb news birmingham . news birmingham. >> well, i'm very pleased to say that gb news investigates. reporter charlie peters joins me now. charlie quite concerning, i suppose , that these views not suppose, that these views not only exist but are conceivably being pumped out on our television screens. that's right. >> well, it's a wide range of speakers there, and it's worth stressing that this conference going ahead tomorrow without the police attending. now, of course, in that exhibiting role does feature a wide range of religious views. and about religious views. and it's about celebrating the life of the prophet muhammad. that's the purpose but so purpose of the event. but so many the speakers, as we've many of the speakers, as we've uncovered, a history of uncovered, do have a history of controversial remarks . and the controversial remarks. and the question for us really was, should should west midlands police giving that kind of

police be giving that kind of event? institutional legitim event? the institutional legitim , being paying exhibitors , ac of being paying exhibitors to that kind of event? it appears that once raise that appears that once we raise that issue them, they disagree appears that once we raise that issu(they hem, they disagree appears that once we raise that issu(they shouldiey disagree appears that once we raise that issu(they should be disagree appears that once we raise that issu(they should be there 'ee appears that once we raise that issu(they should be there and that they should be there and they've they've retracted they've and they've retracted because questions, because it raises questions, really, should because it raises questions, realpolice should because it raises questions, realpolice be should because it raises questions, realpolice be lending hould because it raises questions, realpolice be lending their sort the police be lending their sort of their support tacitly by virtue alongside virtue of associating alongside these groups and these speakers when they attend these events or should they be attending just in a policing capacity, one a policing capacity, not in one as a exhibiting capacity ? as a exhibiting capacity? >> i don't see what there is to gain from turning up as an exhibiting capacity. i mean, i very much doubt that anyone who attends something like that, if they indeed aligned with the they are indeed aligned with the kind of that we've heard kind of views that we've heard there, i wouldn't in there, i wouldn't want them in there, i wouldn't want them in the anyway. mean, the police force anyway. i mean, it be quite scary. well, it would be quite scary. well, over people expected to over 2000 people expected to attend conference. attend this conference. >> have >> and, you know, we have to stress that it is a religious festival, not a political event. the they'll the speeches that they'll be heanng the speeches that they'll be hearing will be about religion and about ideas surrounding and about the ideas surrounding the muhammad and the the prophet muhammad and the islamic west islamic faith. and i think. west midlands police, in their defence, they're seeking to conduct they conduct community outreach. they want officers from want to hire more officers from diverse of diverse backgrounds and of course, to reach out to

course, trying to reach out to these events how they're these events is how they're going attempt to achieve it. going to attempt to achieve it. that's mission, of course. that's their mission, of course. now, problem with that, of now, the problem with that, of course, many police course, and what many police officers i've spoken to about this have told me, that this story have told me, is that the often fails to carry the police often fails to carry out diligence into out proper due diligence into these and when put these events. and when we put these events. and when we put the question west midlands the question to west midlands police, didn't respond to police, they didn't respond to our questions about our further questions about whether they conducted whether or not they conducted due they just due diligence. they just said that we reports that after we raised reports they going go any more. >> realistically, what do >> realistically, what they do is really that is they really hope that somebody like you doesn't get hold of right? and hold of it. right? i mean, and i can of understand that can kind of understand that because, you know, it does make their life more difficult. but for british man for the ordinary british man and woman street, i think woman on the street, i think it's deeply concerning that these kind of things exist and go and it's not the first go on. and it's not the first time that you've highlighted, charlie. is charlie. what i would argue is a wider is one thing wider issue, which is one thing someone having a set of views and platform to talk and using a platform to talk about views. think it's about those views. i think it's another amount of another thing the amount of people queue up to hear them people who queue up to hear them and we this, we with and we had this, didn't we with with preacher who was with a hate preacher who was allowed into the uk the most concerning bit for me that was

not just not that he might have just supped not that he might have just slipped net and get slipped through the net and get into country is that he'd into the country is that he'd sold thousands of tickets in numerous cities. numerous different cities. >> this this >> and i think for this this case is really particular interesting because the west midlands the interesting because the west midlawhere the interesting because the west midlawhere birmingham the issue where a birmingham resident, miles routledge, is currently being detained in kabul being currently being detained in kabuin being currently being detained in kabuin afghanistan being currently being detained in kabuin afghanistan as being currently being detained in kabuin afghanistan as a being held in afghanistan as a prisoner. he's not free to leave the . and we've had the country. and we've had anonymous and unconfirmed reports that he more reports that he is more comfortable than other comfortable than the other british prisoners but british prisoners there. but still prisoner without still, he's a prisoner without charge and at the same time, west midlands police, before we conducted investigation conducted this investigation were be giving were going to be giving institutional support to an event where one of the speakers, haitham al—haddad, just haitham al—haddad, had just visited the kabul regime in afghanistan and had praised the ministers. he said they were very soft and very gentle and he praised, he praised the afghan people. this is the taliban soft and were his words . and well, those were his words. and praised the afghan people and he praised the afghan people for having such authorities as these , e.g. the taliban again. these, e.g. the taliban again. so really prioritising and presenting a positive image of the taliban at the same time, as

a birmingham resident is being held by them. and think if held by them. and i think if there's anything that tipped the story over the edge for west midlands it's that duty midlands police, it's that duty of a birmingham of care towards a birmingham resident in detention resident being held in detention by while possibly by the taliban, while possibly being seen lend institutional being seen to lend institutional credibility towards a speaker who's praised them in the last month or two. yeah i know indeed. >> charlie, thank you very much. and thank you for continuing to bnng and thank you for continuing to bring us stories like this and highlighting what's going out highlighting what's going on out there world and there in the real world and amongst a variety different amongst a variety of different communities in this communities as well. and in this case, our police. case, again with our police. i just wonder as well, when it comes to things like this, you know, our police force, they know, our police force, are they too not seen to be too afraid to not be seen to be support diversity and support doing diversity and inclusion then they end inclusion and then they end up wandering situation like wandering into a situation like this could, you know, this where they could, you know, they could accidentally be accused offering tacit accused of offering tacit support some extreme support for some pretty extreme views, i think views, really. and i think that's that's a concern. but, charlie, thank you very, very much. peters there. gb much. charlie peters there. gb news reporter now news investigates. reporter now that charlie that package that charlie brought there will be brought to you there will be available well. so you available online as well. so you can revisit that and can go and revisit that and take a look at it. throughout the

course of this show, i've been asking email in and asking you all to email in and tell me what you think some of the issues facing this the biggest issues facing this country it's country are at the moment. it's in light that ipsos mori in light of that ipsos mori poll, put immigration poll, which put immigration right increase of right up there, an increase of nearly double the amount of people are saying that people who are saying that immigration top immigration is one of the top issues them. consider issues for them. consider compared for me say compared to easy for me to say the start the year. and the start of the year. and patrick, we love your show. thank you very much. is thank you very much. this is from frank. lad. frank and from frank. good lad. frank and i like to see someone i would like to see someone discussing heat pumps and answering of how many answering the likes of how many buckingham would need buckingham palace would need another frank, that clearly for imagine, frank, that clearly for you the big issue you in your house, the big issue for you is about things like net zero about things like energy zero is about things like energy security, fine, security, etcetera. yeah, fine, hazel fear for the hazel says. i fear for the culture of the culture and customs of the uk being lost because mass being lost because of mass migration and talking about different demographics and whether or not british whether or not the british population and british born population and british born population will at some point find themselves in a minor city. so legal migration again , so legal migration again, they're proving to be a bigger issue for you, hazel, at least than an illegal migration. so

lots of that coming in. law and order time for one more. alex says. look, i would put law and order as my top priority. the stabbings, shoplifting and burglary get worse unless burglary will get worse unless we act now. yeah, alec, not an unpopular view at all. thank you very, very everybody who's very, very much, everybody who's been and been getting in touch and getting this show. getting involved with this show. so to have so far, it's been great to have you all on board. and i actually will be back a little bit later on this evening. michelle dewberry going be joining dewberry is going to be joining you next. she's going be you next. she's going to be hotfooting any hotfooting into the studio any minute you stay minute now. make sure you stay tuned for a wonderful rendition of peace out in a bit of dewbs& co peace out in a bit . hello >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. fine for many of us today with sunny spells, but blustery showers will continue , blustery showers will continue, especially in the far north. we've got low pressure close to the north of scotland and a couple of occluded fronts moving through tightly packed isobars. so some quite lively weather here. elsewhere showers, few and far between 1 2 for northern far between 1 or 2 for northern ireland, northern they ireland, northern england, they peter evening , peter out through the evening, clear then and

clear skies developing then and add the showers in the north of scotland become fewer overnight with the easing here. so with the winds easing here. so with the winds easing here. so with winds through the with lighter winds through the night of clear skies night and plenty of clear skies , it going to be a cooler , it is going to be a cooler night compared with recent nights. temperatures widely in the figures in some the single figures and in some sheltered of northern uk . sheltered parts of northern uk. low single figures, touch of grass, frost possible as we begin weekend. despite the begin the weekend. despite the fresh even in some places fresh or even in some places chilly start saturday. chilly start to saturday. actually there's plenty of sunshine first thing and sunshine around first thing and for northern scotland well as for northern scotland as well as for northern scotland as well as for midlands , east anglia for the midlands, east anglia and south east, keep and the south east, we keep mostly into the mostly sunny skies into the afternoon , elsewhere, cloud afternoon, but elsewhere, cloud builds and for northern ireland parts of the irish sea coast turns wet and windy. by the end of the afternoon , feeling warm of the afternoon, feeling warm in the southeast where we've got the sunny spells, highs of 21 celsius. we keep fine weather here into sunday. blustery showers return to scotland and northern ireland later in between , some areas of rain between, some areas of rain moving slowly south eastwards, but also fizzling out. a mixed start to next week with some

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you agree with her and get this on the one hand. right, we've got calls now for social energy tariffs to help the very poorest in the winter. and on the other hand, though, got calls to hand, though, we've got calls to basically remove winter basically remove the winter fuel allowance pensioners . allowance from most pensioners. what on earth do you make to that and this right, as that? and get this right, as many as 28 million of us now live council areas that are live in council areas that are in favour of 20 mile an hour limits . yes. do you agree with limits. yes. do you agree with that? because this is sunak might be trying to put a stop to it. i want your thoughts on that. we've got all of that to come and a lot more. but before we get into the debate, let's grab latest headlines grab tonight's latest headlines i >> very good evening to you .

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