you agree with her and get this on the one hand. right, we've got calls now for social energy tariffs to help the very poorest in the winter. and on the other hand, though, got calls to hand, though, we've got calls to basically remove winter basically remove the winter fuel allowance pensioners . allowance from most pensioners. what on earth do you make to that and this right, as that? and get this right, as many as 28 million of us now live council areas that are live in council areas that are in favour of 20 mile an hour limits . yes. do you agree with limits. yes. do you agree with that? because this is sunak might be trying to put a stop to it. i want your thoughts on that. we've got all of that to come and a lot more. but before we get into the debate, let's grab latest headlines grab tonight's latest headlines i >> very good evening to you . >> very good evening to you. it's a minute past six hour on

armstrong here in the newsroom. armstrong here in the newsroom. a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m 53 on the wirral this morning. pupils were on their way to college. grange grammar school in west kirby grammar school. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck a central reservation between huyton bebington. ten huyton and bebington. ten children were taken to hospital , with injuries . , two with serious injuries. parts of the motonnay remain closed . mark thomas, area closed. mark thomas, area manager of merseyside fire and rescue service, says investigations are undennay by firefighters worked with emergency services colleagues at scene to stabilise the vehicle . scene to stabilise the vehicle. >> we ensured the student was safe and we assisted casualties. exiting the bus , working jointly exiting the bus, working jointly with our police and ambulance colleagues. shortly after we were able to assist the casualties onto a second coach to receive care for away from the scene . our operations are the scene. our operations are currently scaling down and

currently scaling down and currently we stay at the scene in attendance to preserve the scene with merseyside police . scene with merseyside police. university hospitals. >> birmingham has been named as the trust where 19 year old died after a legal battle with the nhs . tara pteromalus wanted to nhs. tara pteromalus wanted to travel to north america for a potential clinical trial to treat a rare mitochondrial disorder. the trust disagreed with the teenager's family about what was in her best interests. the 19 year old died on the 12th of september. the university birmingham hospitals trust says the illness was incurable, and siddiqa didn't understand her condition . they've offered condition. they've offered heartfelt condolences to her family . a 17 heartfelt condolences to her family . a17 year old boy family. a 17 year old boy charged with the murder of a 15 year old girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. elianne andam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she her way to while she was on her way to school. teenager , who can't school. the teenager, who can't be for legal reasons, has be named for legal reasons, has also been charged with possessing a knife. the chancellor says the economy has recovered from the pandemic

faster than expected after it grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of this year. the office for national statistics initially expected to rise by 0.1. the government says it will stick to its plan of halving inflation this year. a teenage boy has been arrested in connection with the cutting down of one of the uk's most photographed trees while he's been released now on bail, the tree at sycamore gap next to hadrian's wall, close to northumberland , featured in the northumberland, featured in the 1991 film robin hood, prince of thieves, the national trust says it was shocked and saddened to see the iconic tree felled and. torrential downpours have caused flash flooding in new york city. disrupt ing transport services . disrupt ing transport services. a state of emergency has been declared thereafter for some three inches of water fell overnight and up to seven more are expected in some areas . cars are expected in some areas. cars have been submerged. major roads and subways disrupted . around 18 and subways disrupted. around 18 million people in the city are

under a weather warning. and the governor of new york, kathy hochul governor of new york, kathy hochul, has described it as dangerous and life threatening . dangerous and life threatening. dame priti patel is calling for a tax cut for hard pressed brits around the country in an exclusive interview with gb news political editor chris hope. the former home secretary says the government should cut public spending to ease the tax burden . her comments add pressure on the minister and the the prime minister and the chancellor ahead of the conservative conference in conservative party conference in manchester, which gets undennay on sunday. >> the tax burden is now at a 70 year high that is unsustainable , winnable and the people that pay , winnable and the people that pay the taxes are hard pressed . pay the taxes are hard pressed. brits around the country . as brits around the country. as conservatives, we believe in lower taxes. as conservatives , lower taxes. as conservatives, we believe being on the side of hard working households and families as conservatives, we believe in hope and aspiration . believe in hope and aspiration. >> so what does that look like now? >> that should mean lower taxes. the burden of tax has to start to down, reduce the size of to come down, reduce the size of the state ensure that people the state and ensure that people keep of their income .

keep more of their income. >> the labour leader, sir keir starmer, meanwhile, speaking in glasgow earlier, says the government don't have the capacity to fix the economy. >> i think there's a driving reason we've got the highest reason why we've got the highest taxes pretty well on record and that's because of the dismal failure of this government on growth and having failed on growing our economy. they have chosen to put up tax over and over again on working people. and now that is the burden that they are carrying because the government's failure. there is a different choice , which is to different choice, which is to have a mission to grow the economy right across the united kingdom. that's the mission the labour party has put out and that's the choice that we would make. >> and some breaking news to bnng >> and some breaking news to bring you from the united states. a man has reportedly been arrested murder of been arrested over the murder of the tupac shakur. been arrested over the murder of the tupac shakur . tupac, the rapper tupac shakur. tupac, the rapper tupac shakur. tupac, the 25 year old, was killed in a drive by shooting in las vegas. 27 years ago. dwayne cepheidae davis was detained earlier today and indicted with the exact charges is expected later. davis

has long been known to investigators and has previously admitted that he was in the cadillac when the shots were fired . on rail. passengers are fired. on rail. passengers are likely to face serious disruption over the next couple of days as train drivers begin more industrial action. aslef members began a ban on overtime today. that's ahead of a strike at 16 rail companies tomorrow. the union says the walkout will force operators to cancel all services . aslef's general services. aslef's general secretary mick whelan is arguing that members haven't had a pay rise for four years. the government and the rail delivery group say there is a fair and reasonable offer on the table . reasonable offer on the table. just say play gb news to get us on your smart speaker. we're on tv and digital radio as well. now it's over to . michelle now it's over to. michelle >> hello there . i'm michelle >> hello there. i'm michelle jubin. i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me , till 7:00 tonight alongside me, a new face to dewbs& co boats, not new to the channel. you

recognise this fella? richard tice, the leader of the reform uk party. welcome. >> great to be here. fantastic to be on your show. michel, you've not filled this chair before, have you? i haven't, no, not on the right. it's strange. i'm normally on the right. yeah you're not. >> well, there you go. you >> yeah, well, there you go. you are welcome tonight. also are very welcome tonight. also my friday, our regular cat. get rid can we? i think it's rid of him. can we? i think it's a beer. a free beer. >> wouldn't want to get rid >> you wouldn't want to get rid of me friday. >> no, we wouldn't. wouldn't >> no, we wouldn't. we wouldn't be would i debate be back. who would i debate facial with on friday if facial hair with on a friday if we get rid of you? we were to get rid of you? >> everyone else is clean shaven around here, think, aren't they? >> and in your viewers, >> yeah. and in your viewers, you won't know i'm talking about. >> don't worry. it's a long running story, a long running debate, the biggest debate we ever friday ever have on a friday about whether which is looking whether or not which is looking so confused that don't worry, don't won't on don't worry, we won't start on facial hair richard. we'll facial hair with richard. we'll give a or to ease in give him a week or so to ease in anyway, we you know the drill on dewbs& .uk not just about dewbs& co .uk is not just about us here. it's very much us three here. it's very much about you guys at home. what is on your mind tonight? vaiews@gbnews.com. can

vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet news. lots of you tweet me at gb news. lots of you are getting in touch already. graham. enjoyed graham. you enjoyed our conversation on good morning britain you. britain this morning. thank you. you early as was you were up as early as i was then. i haven't had a sleep, so hopefully i'll still be able to string sentence together given string a sentence together given it 6:00 now on the evening, it is 6:00 now on the evening, not 6:00 in the morning when i think started. anyway, any new think i started. anyway, any new viewers very viewers you're very, very welcome program tonight. welcome to the program tonight. i thought, you know for what once, we're going to kick off with some optimism, some good news. can you believe it is all doom and gloom in the news, isn't it? but get this, britain's economic performance apparently since the start of the covid 19 pandemic, has been much than previously much stronger than previously anticipated . no more doom and anticipated. no more doom and gloom, everybody, because we've apparently got faster growth than france . this is than germany or france. this is all about revisions to the ons data that are being released today. just to be clear , the today. just to be clear, the estimates was originally that we was going to have shrunk apparently 0.2. now apparently gdp is estimated to be 1.8% larger. yes are you excited and

happy? well as a brexiteer, michel, obviously it's good news to show that actually leaving the european union at the end of 2019, beginning of 2020, actually , we're doing we're actually, we're doing we're doing better than germany. >> we're doing better than france. that's encouraging. i'm slightly troubled how the ons thatis slightly troubled how the ons that is obviously a significant statutory body can get things so significantly wrong. that's probably for a whole separate debate. but amongst your optimism, i caution on our competitors like the united states in that same period, yes, we did 1.8% growth rate. the us did 6.1. are you going to rain on my times? well, i'm just going to bring a little reality as brexiteers, michel, we could be doing so much better if the government did what we should be doing. did brexit properly , we doing. did brexit properly, we cut taxes, cut wasteful government spending, cut daft eu regulations and put the foot flat on the accelerator of growth? michel then we'd be

competing with the us. we'd be even more excited. >> i remember a particular tory prime minister and we're very short lived one and it was all her mantra growth, growth, growth. i'll tell you who is happy tonight. jeremy hunt. he is pleased about the news he was tweeting about. i think i could just bring that up on the screen for you. the ons today have confirmed british confirmed the british economy recovered the recovered faster from the pandemic anyone. thoughts? pandemic than anyone. thoughts? he's lot of he's saying, though, a lot of the data has been rewritten and apparently other countries are revisiting data , too. he revisiting their data, too. he went on. he says , but this shows went on. he says, but this shows our economic fundamentals are stronger than the decline is narrative of recent years suggest, he says , do not bet suggest, he says, do not bet against britain . i like it. do against britain. i like it. do you, paul? well great. >> but the truth is, michel , >> but the truth is, michel, that our country is still hideously disfigured by wealth and income inequality now. but you know , this is true. and the you know, this is true. and the point needs to be made. look, of course, we welcome any growth in the economy. i mean , it's been the economy. i mean, it's been

it's been a pretty tough last 15 years or so, hasn't it? but you know, for the growth that we've enjoyed in terms of this, our nafion enjoyed in terms of this, our nation is still racked by economic unfairness when you're in a situation where the 50 richest families in the uk have got the same wealth as the poorest half of the population , poorest half of the population, when you're in a situation where real wages have been falling year on year, when you're in a situation where we're in the tightest wage squeeze since napoleonic times in this country where people are struggling to pay where people are struggling to pay their energy bills, struggling to pay their mortgages, worried now about whether they're going to be able to heat their homes this winter, then, yes, great. we're getting this growth. let's keep this growth. but let's keep things perspective . there's a things in perspective. there's a much picture there. much bigger picture out there. and the economy is fundamental , and the economy is fundamental, unbalanced fundamentally unbalanced and fundamentally unfair . and until deal with unfair. and until we deal with some those fundamental some of those fundamental titles, don't think we should titles, i don't think we should be crowing or rejoicing. >> but but the way to do that is actually growth, because >> but but the way to do that is atrising growth, because >> but but the way to do that is at rising lifts growth, because >> but but the way to do that is atrising lifts allvth, because >> but but the way to do that is atrising lifts all boats. cause a rising tide lifts all boats. this 1.8% over three and a half

years, about half a years, it's about half a% a yean years, it's about half a% a year. frankly that's woeful, right? >> so the short version of that is it's a party for one. nobody is it's a party for one. nobody is massively selling sitting alongside me tonight, but that's all right, because priti patel , all right, because priti patel, she has been speaking out. she's got some ideas of what we could potentially do to boost the economy and to help with things like paul suggesting let's listen. >> the burden of tax has to start to come down. however, look at the cycle that we're in right now. we've got one more fiscal cycle potentially before general election. how and it's not just about being bold general election. how and it's notjust about being bold or not just about being bold or ambitious. it's about being conservative and ensuring that the public keep more of the money they earn. that's the money that they earn. that's the space we need to in. space that we need to be in. reduce the size of the state and ensure that people more of ensure that people keep more of their income . their income. >> i like it. do you agree with her? >> yeah, absolutely. that's why i mean , our economic policy is i mean, our economic policy is actually, you should have zero income tax below £20,000. so you lift the threshold from 12.5

grand to 20 grand. that would free up 6 million of the lowest paid from paying any income tax whatsoever. that's a great motivator to help people who are trapped on out of work benefits to get them back into work. that's £30 a week net and you pay that's £30 a week net and you pay for it, michel, by cutting the obscene, wasteful the vast, obscene, wasteful government we government spending that we see all place . that drives all over the place. that drives us bonkers, frankly. >> grand, tax free, is >> so 20 grand, tax free, is that going to solve the things that going to solve the things that you're talking about, inequalities and stuff like that? would you support that kind of policy? >> wouldn't necessarily >> well, i wouldn't necessarily rule i mean, it's quite rule it out. i mean, it's quite a radical proposal, but i wouldn't necessarily rule it out. certainly needs out. there certainly needs to be a of wealth a redistribution of wealth in this country. if we can find this country. and if we can find ways of making sure people ways of making sure that people on the poorer incomes keep more of wages. and in my view, of their wages. and in my view, people are richer to people who are richer to contribute more, then i wouldn't be of course, i wouldn't be against that in principle. i think the real thing we need to do in terms of stimulating growth, we need to get real wages up. you know, we cannot have situation we have this situation where we have this situation where we have falling year on have real wages falling year on

year people have less year and people have less disposable income. that isn't going create a recovery. we going to create a recovery. we need get investment into the need to get investment into the economy. we an investment economy. we need an investment led economy and recovery and to get us out of this lacklustre performance and this sluggish growth, because that's what it still if honest about still is, if we're honest about it. in terms of priti patel's comments about the size of the state, i mean, look, there are always ways that can trim always ways that you can trim the state. there are always places where perhaps it's a little bit flabby, but i always i >> give me your top example of flabbiness no, i'm saying i'm saying generally there are always examples where if you sat down and did an audit, you could probably find those examples. we don't any examples. don't have any examples. >> i didn't bring with >> i didn't bring them with me. michelle it's general. michelle no, it's a general. it's give a clue. it's a general. give you a clue. it's a general. give you a clue. it's general i'm making. it's a general point i'm making. but just finish the but but let me just finish the point. i always get weary when tory politicians talk about slashing the state, because the truth of large parts truth is lots of the large parts of the state have been slashed over the last or 40 years. over the last 30 or 40 years. we've sold off of our we've sold off so many of our pubuc we've sold off so many of our public utilities. used to run public utilities. we used to run the railways, we used to run the

water you know, all of water system, you know, all of this system, this stuff. the energy system, all stuff that we use, all of this stuff that we use, we used to run it well. well, i think well, if you come to the trains, for example, certainly they were run better they they were run better than they were private were run by the private companies at the moment. if you look at water system and the look at the water system and the fact there are many fact that there are so many defects and and people's defects and leaks and people's bills undoubtedly bills going up, undoubtedly we ran than ran it better than the privateers. and sharks are privateers. and the sharks are running the moment. running it at the moment. >> in scotland whose >> people in scotland whose water nationalised water is nationalised pretty much with that much will be arguing with that and saying, look at the and saying, well, look at the state what's going on in state of what's going on in places scotland. places like scotland. >> that right wing >> so this idea that right wing politicians have slash politicians say we have to slash the when in fact we've the state when in fact we've sold so much of the family sold off so much of the family silver over the last half century, you know, it always be cause for concern. >> ago, the state >> 20 years ago, the state spending 35% gdp. spending was about 35% of gdp. it's now it's a third it's now 47. it's a third bigger. yet everybody would bigger. and yet everybody would probably state of probably agree that the state of our services is the worst our public services is the worst in our living memory. and that's because the state is because generally the state is woeful other woeful at spending other people's terrible people's money. it gets terrible value and we've value for money. and so we've ended highest taxes. you ended up the highest taxes. you and agree. actually, it's the and i agree. actually, it's the least well off for not keeping

what should of their what they should of their earnings. our policy earnings. that's why our policy helps lowest paid the helps the lowest paid the fastest and creates the greatest incentive back into work. i just ijust incentive back into work. i just i just hate this hopelessly wasteful government spending everywhere. i'll give you another example. there are 600, 600 government agencies, department quangos, commissions. i'm going through the list at the moment. half of them you've never heard of. you have no idea what they do. >> i i'm inclined to accept your argument on that and that was my point. so michelle, there are undoubtedly areas where it's flabby comes the flabby when it comes to the crucial infrastructure for of the utilities, the country and the utilities, things energy things like the country and the utilities, thinrailwaysenergy things like the country and the utilities, thin railways , ergy things like the country and the utilities, thin railways , thingsthings like the country and the utilities, thin railways , things likejs like the country and the utilities, thin railways , things like the(e the railways, things like the water system , then absolutely water system, then absolutely that should be in public hands as far as i'm concerned. and we sold them off. most of them have been unmitigated disasters. these privatisations , if we're these privatisations, if we're honest it, people honest about it, and people often, you know, take take the mick out of british rail and the curly sandwiches that kind curly sandwiches and that kind of but actually, in of thing. but actually, in my view, rail better view, british rail was better than what we've got now. we have got dirty, fragmented,

got a dirty, fragmented, expensive, system and expensive, disjointed system and we've got people making a mint out it and we, the taxpayer, out of it and we, the taxpayer, are still subsidising this system. by the that is not system. by the way, that is not better than what shining beacon of is. of excellence is. >> is our government currently running so well that you're looking at thinking they are so good at what they're doing that we actually need to expand their remit into all these new services don't necessarily services that don't necessarily i don't think necessarily the government in that hands on way runs public services. >> i think of my own industry. three, the fire and rescue service, example , the service, for example, the government run government doesn't directly run it but think if you spoke to it, but i think if you spoke to the average punter there who the average punter out there who comes contact with the fire comes into contact with the fire service, they would say actually , is good they , that is a good service. they do job. and we like the do their job. and we like the fact it's publicly owned. fact that it's publicly owned. if say to somebody that if you say to somebody that we're sell off the fire we're going to sell off the fire and rescue service bp, and rescue service to bp, i think they'd i think they'd have a is not the a heart attack. that is not the sort vision that should sort of vision that we should have our emergency services, have for our emergency services, for our public utilities, for services that provide crucial crucial for the functioning of this .

this country. >> just ask you about >> let me just ask you about this slashing tax free 20 grand. it sounds great. yes. people will turn out vote because will turn out to vote because who doesn't want more in who doesn't want more cash in their really, isn't their pocket? but really, isn't that a fantasy economics? that a just fantasy economics? >> no, it's not fancy economics, michel. it's cash in your pocket. £30. it's £30 a week net. >> the treasury. >> the treasury. >> right. so it's about £40 billion a year. right. most of us in our household budgets, we're saying . right. it's tough. we're saying. right. it's tough. there's a cost of living crisis. ineed there's a cost of living crisis. i need to save £5 and a hundred. if you save £5 in 100 to every single spending manager of every single spending manager of every single quango commission, government local government department, local authority. can't cut authority. but you can't cut frontline or you're frontline services or you're fired. guess what? they'll save 501 hundred. that's £50 billion. that's how you pay for it. that's how you pay for it. that's how you create growth. >> people have already thought about this because we've had so many rounds of efficiency savings, haven't. savings, but we haven't. >> got 100,000 more civil >> we've got 100,000 more civil servants we had couple of servants than we had a couple of years ago. they haven't thought about it at all. they've become flabby, they've become wasteful, and everybody and it's driving everybody absolutely . absolutely bonkers. >> got a couple of graphics >> i've got a couple of graphics very quickly just to pop up onto

the screen in case you're wondering, guys wondering, what are these guys talking about when it comes to tax and stuff that? tax burdens and stuff like that? a graphic for you to a little graphic for you to demonstrate in terms uk demonstrate in terms of the uk and we sit in terms of the and where we sit in terms of the tax burden among the g7. there you see is pretty you go. you can see is pretty much the middle there. and much in the middle there. and i think one more for the road . think one more for the road. we've anything else ? yep. we've got anything else? yep. here we go . so in terms of the here we go. so in terms of the tax uk tax as a percentage of the gdp , we look obviously the gdp, we look obviously towards the right hand side of the screen, the grey shaded area . that is the estimates. you can see if you're listening, not watching, take it from me. that percentage is increasing . would percentage is increasing. would you be happy to pay less tax? i can hear you shouting . yes, of can hear you shouting. yes, of course you wouldn't. michelle but is it realistic, though, where would you make the savings? we're talking about efficiencies. where would be your number one place to start with efficiencies . keep it with efficiencies. keep it clean, please. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get ahold of me. we've been talking about the wealthy and the poorest society . a couple the poorest in society. a couple of things caught eye today .

of things caught my eye today. conversation or conversation about whether or not energy not there should be an energy social tariff for the poorest in society. would you support that? and i simultaneously was hearing conversations about removing the winter fuel allowance from pretty much all pensioners except the very poorest. what do you make of that? you tell me and i'll see you

news radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight along side me richard tice , the leader of the richard tice, the leader of the reform uk party and paul embery, a trade unionist and writer . a trade unionist and writer. lots. one of the things that just got us talking a second ago, someone just got in touch saying the thing that i would first of all scrap is fine old salary pensions within the pubuc salary pensions within the public sector. well you can't obviously if someone's joined in an employment with a set of terms and conditions, i think you're going struggle to try you're going to struggle to try and tweak their final salary

pension. if that's what pension. now, if that's what they up to, we're just they signed up to, we're just debating whether or not new recruits get those kind of final debating whether or not new recruit pensions.e kind of final debating whether or not new recruit pensions.e kirjust' final salary pensions. you just describing fire service, describing in the fire service, they're really thing for they're not really a thing for new recruits. >> well, certainly in the fire and rescue service and i think in a lot of the public sector, final salary pension schemes have gone certainly for new recruits and in many cases for people who, as you said, the scenario that you raised signed up under a certain scheme. but unless they were within a few years of retirement and they got put onto the new scheme, which was an outrage, to be perfectly honest. and i think there should have been more of a reaction than there was. >> fair enough. trevor, one of the completely disagrees the viewers completely disagrees with at the start of with my optimism at the start of the programme. what the programme. he's saying, what do dare to do you want us to do? dare to dance in the street. even though inflation rampant and inflation is rampant and interest still much interest rates are still much too maybe , he says, when i too high, maybe, he says, when i see bigger gdp, green shoots about 2 or 2 thirds that have basically what he's saying is when he sees better mechanics of interest rates coming down,

inflation falling, maybe then he will start to party. i get it. i get it. it's just me on my own if you do. actually if you do share my optimism for one year, literally now, aren't you? i'm always used to it . no one ever always used to it. no one ever agrees with me, which is absolutely fine. so if you do, if you are out there and i'm not alone, get in touch and tell me whether or not you're feeling optimistic our economic optimistic about our economic situation right now in this country. do people country. and also, why do people like the ons seem their like the ons seem to get their projections so there projections so wrong? there forecasts so wrong. you get in touch tell me thoughts. touch and tell me your thoughts. now, of more than now, a coalition of more than 140 organisations alongside 140 organisations is alongside some mps, people like martin lewis as well have of been lewis as well have kind of been coming together. this been coming together. this has been like noise and a chunter for like a noise and a chunter for quite some time now. a call for a while. it's all about an energy social tariff and it's all because of course we all know by now that bills are going up. lots of people are going to be struggling to afford their their winter heating. where are you on do you think we you on this? do you think we should have social tariff for should have a social tariff for the in society? the poorest in society? >> absolutely we should. it's a

no so far as i can see. no brainer, so far as i can see. i this winter is i mean, this this winter is going to be a crisis time for potentially millions of families in our country. they are going to find the increases in their energy bills crippling, what with the rises in interest rates as well. where some of them are paying as well. where some of them are paying a lot more on their mortgages. what with the fact that as we touched on before the break, real wages are still falling. how much can ordinary people be expected to take? so absolutely, for me, it's a no brainer . the government is brainer. the government is there. what would it look like then? >> what kind of discount, what kind of tariff do you get? >> well, i think who would qualify? >> let's brainstorm it. >> let's brainstorm it. >> i'm open minded on that. and clearly that would need to go through consultation process. clearly that would need to go thro but consultation process. clearly that would need to go thro but you insultation process. clearly that would need to go thro but you would tion process. clearly that would need to go thro but you would expectwcess. clearly that would need to go thro but you would expect the;. but but you would expect the poorest people finding poorest and the people finding it most difficult to get by to be first of all. and it most difficult to get by to be would first of all. and it most difficult to get by to be would berst of all. and it most difficult to get by to be would be right.all. and it most difficult to get by to be would be right. i l. and it most difficult to get by to be would be right. i thinki it most difficult to get by to be would be right. i think the that would be right. i think the bigger question, michel, which we've on show we've discussed on this show before, is how we get before, is how did we get ourselves situation as ourselves into this situation as a country in the place, as a country in the first place, as an western off air at an advanced western off air at

seven? well, well, exactly . we seven? well, well, exactly. we could exactly three could go on exactly three minutes advanced western minutes as an advanced western industrial country, we have got no energy security , no energy no energy security, no energy independence, and that for me is bordering on criminal and ordinary people are paying the price for it. and paul is absolutely right. >> and it's gross negligence by our leaders. michelle because we are sitting on decades worth of energy treasuries, what i call it, oil , gas, energy treasuries, what i call it, oil, gas, shale energy treasuries, what i call it, oil , gas, shale gas, energy treasuries, what i call it, oil, gas, shale gas, coal, lithium. we've got all this stuff . these clowns in stuff. these clowns in westminster have refused to use it. the prime minister, he lied in his leadership campaign last yean he in his leadership campaign last year. he said he was going to back fracking. the first thing he did in the house of commons when was pm was to scrap that when he was pm was to scrap that pledge. and, you know, got pledge. and, you know, we've got all treasure. shouldn't all this treasure. we shouldn't be overseas. be buying it from overseas. what's of buying shale what's the point of buying shale gas from the us, sending our jobs and money over there? when we've we've we've got it over here? we've got expensive got the most expensive electricity in the whole of the 20 that's 20 main. the g20. and that's because the growth in because of the growth in renewables, huge expansion renewables, the huge expansion of which of offshore wind farms, which i'm on stuff is i'm with paul on this stuff is foreign owned, over 80% is

foreign owned, over 80% is foreign owned. so all of these subsidies profits going subsidies and profits going overseas paul's this. overseas, paul's right on this. whether call it a social whether you call it a social tariff, a subsidy, remember our energy bills are double what they they were two they are what they were two years and that's years ago. and that's fundamentally because of this failed energy policy. fundamentally because of this failso energy policy. fundamentally because of this failso if ergy policy. fundamentally because of this failso if rishijolicy. fundamentally because of this failso if rishi sunak was here >> so if rishi sunak was here now, he's watching now, i'm sure he's watching at home notes. but if he was home making notes. but if he was watching, would well, watching, he would say, well, firstly, what firstly, i didn't lie. what happened he made these happened was he made these promises. probably he promises. probably when he looked detail and looked at the detail and probably the probably listened to some of the opposition, probably started opposition, he probably started tweaking things. but whilst all that's about that's fascinating about the longer and longer term picture and the history how got history of how we've got ourselves the here and ourselves here in the here and you know, historically in the here now, now you know, here and now, now you know, coming winter, the next coming up to winter, the next couple of months, whatever, you're to really you're going to start to really that going to chip in. that cold is going to chip in. so what would you do about that? would you offer i mean, how do you offer this social you even offer this social tariff? what would you well, tariff? what would you do? well, essentially, it's as i essentially, i think it's as i understand what they're proposing similar proposing is something similar to last year, proposing is something similar to basically last year, proposing is something similar to basically liwhenir, proposing is something similar to basically liwhen there proposing is something similar to a basically liwhen there proposing is something similar to a basic.subsidyzwhen there proposing is something similar to a basic.subsidy foren there proposing is something similar to a basic.subsidy for many, 'e was a huge subsidy for many, many families. >> and assuming that we >> and that's assuming that we have an average winter, heaven forbid, get a cold, sharp

forbid, if we get a cold, sharp wind , less winter, are in wind, less winter, we are in deep, deep trouble. and i do worry severely about that. we've got to be, as paul rightly said, we've got to have energy security energy reliance and security and energy reliance and if we're exposed to buying energy from overseas, we are vulnerable. >> this winter >> what about this winter fuel allowance for pensioners? allowance then for pensioners? what you do with that? what would you do with that? well, rishi sunak, he's been apparently looking at whether or not you could get rid of that for most pensioners instead of, you apart the poorest you know, apart from the poorest and it would be to help with things like maintaining the triple lock. would be the triple lock. that would be the argument it. would you argument for doing it. would you support. >> i think i think once you've once you've given a particular group benefit, it group of people a benefit, it then very hard then becomes very hard to withdraw it. so that would, i think, a massive can of think, open a massive can of worms and stir all sorts of worms and stir up all sorts of political problems the political problems for the tories if did and tories if they did that. and i wouldn't be in wouldn't particularly be in favour doing anyway. favour of them doing it anyway. the government got to the government has got to intervene order to subsidise intervene in order to subsidise the poorest families and those who are going to be struggling to make ends meet. it really is that simple. all government that simple. all the government is as an agent to be on

is there as an agent to be on the side of ordinary people when they struggling cope, they are struggling to cope, whether economically or whether that's economically or in any other way. and this seems to be a fundamental to me to be a fundamental example why the government example of why the government should where government should where the government should where the government should widely. we should intervene more widely. we need you might call it, need to, as you might call it, re—energise we do re—energise the country. we do need you know, i think richard hit the nail on the head. we do need to look at fracking. we were behind the terribly were behind the curve terribly on nuclear when , you know, some on nuclear when, you know, some of our competitors were marching ahead and we're paying the price of our competitors were marching ahethat.|d we're paying the price of our competitors were marching ahethat. now.�*re paying the price of our competitors were marching ahethat. now. we)aying the price of our competitors were marching ahethat. now. we need| the price of our competitors were marching ahethat. now. we need to |e price of our competitors were marching ahethat. now. we need to look ce for that. now. we need to look even things like clean coal even at things like clean coal technology, which we not technology, which we have not properly then once properly explored. and then once we've in place, we've got those things in place, we've got those things in place, we all into we should take them all into pubuc we should take them all into public i suspect public ownership. i suspect that's richard, know , that's where richard, you know, i'm clear , actually, i'm very, very clear, actually, paul might be surprised. >> so our policy this is that >> so our policy on this is that many the utilities that many of the key utilities that are effective monopolies and water is one of them. for example, the grid, the sort of the gas transmission network, the gas transmission network, the electricity transmission, these things are complete monopolies. they should be 50% pubuc monopolies. they should be 50% public ownership, 50% owned by british pension funds on behalf

of british pensioners who are long term investors seeking a sensible, modest return. but where we differ i suspect, is privately managed by smart people in the private sector . people in the private sector. and you have a long term plan that's the best solution. >> are you suggesting if you're keen on offshore wind, renewables, that's keen on offshore wind, renev we .es, th at's keen on offshore wind, renevwe should that's keen on offshore wind, renevwe should be that's keen on offshore wind, renevwe should be doing that's keen on offshore wind, renevwe should be doing withs those. >> but you're presenting this as though it's rocket science. i mean, private organisations you're smart you're saying will get smart people private. people running these private. the . now they're the organisations. now they're not around recruiting not going around recruiting thick already thick people. they're already proactively trying to seek the best people to run those private enterprises as they currently stand. >> correct? i agree. but my point being generally point being that generally governments are very good at funding things. they're very bad at managing things. so you want, you joint venture between you want a joint venture between pubuc you want a joint venture between public 50% then public ownership, 50% and then the pension funds with private sector management. so that's the win win win. but, you know, you can't have a 5050 ownership model because you can absolutely be 49 and 50. >> who gets the final say then in a dispute? who gets, you know, do we do it this way?

>> do you have an odd number on the board of directors? >> it's simple, michel. >> it's very simple, michel. >> it's very simple, michel. >> well, would you what you >> well, would you what do you think do you think think to this? what do you think to this? because there's a lot of chat about this is i'm not in favour when it comes to just this kind concept this general kind of concept about things. about renationalising things. because when you talk because i look to when you talk about use this about water and i use this example time, places example all the time, places like for example, and like scotland, for example, and people point to wales, for people will point to wales, for example, there be example, why should there be water in scotland is not a beacon. >> i'm going to the water in >> i'm going to say the water in majorca then. no >> the water, the >> yeah. no, the water, the situation in scotland, situation in in scotland, when it comes to the for example, when it comes to cleanliness or whatever leaks in terms of the monitoring system comes the monitoring system comes the monitoring systems that they even have to track. the quality is way behind england. >> it should be improved where there are shortcomings. but i've never understood why never understood this idea. why should there things like should there be things like people , you know, people say, you know, competition things like the competition in things like the energy why should an energy sector? why should an elderly or a vulnerable person when all it is, is getting the power supply, the energy supply into their home, be expected to

go on to the internet and spend 4 or 5 hours looking for the most attractive. if you go for it to a restaurant, you might want to look for the most attractive meal. if you buy a suit, you might want to go to the most attractive shop. why would want the want would anyone want the most want to want for to be want to see for competition how electricity or gas their home? it gas comes into their home? it seems me to be bizarre that seems to me to be bizarre that people that. people want that. >> of people are messaging >> a lot of people are messaging as well about the standing charge. >> that's always that >> that's always the thing that people talk about on their bills. it's all well and good talking tariffs, talking about the tariffs, but if you've massive standing if you've got a massive standing charge, irrespective of anything else, well else, lots of you as well saying, what about this whole green tariff on all of the bills? we have to bills? why do we have to continue with that? give me your thoughts of that winter thoughts on all of that winter fuel allowance. that fuel allowance. would that affect you think affect you? what would you think if rishi sunak did indeed come and that you if he said and take that off you if he said i'm taking it, but on the other hand, i'm doing to try and hand, i'm doing it to try and help keep triple so help you keep the triple lock so that pension keeps that your pension keeps increasing. would that make increasing. and would that make you it or not? you get you support it or not? you get in let me know your

in touch and let me know your thoughts on that. vaiews@gbnews.com. thoughts on that. vaievl @gbnews.com. thoughts on that. vaievl want ews.com. thoughts on that. vaievl want to s.com. thoughts on that. vaievl want to s.corto you break, i want to talk to you about mile an hour speed about 20 mile an hour speed limits. it's something like 28 million of us now live in council areas that support those limits . are you one of the limits. are you one of the residents that would back your council? all the way? you council? go all the way? you tell me

radio. >> hi there . i'm michelle >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. richard tice the leader of the reform uk party and paul embery, a trade unionist and writer for lots more people getting in touch about the energy situation we've just been discussing . again, just been discussing. again, lots of people pointing out that same thing about about the standing charge mats. you're not pulling any punches . you just pulling any punches. you just say cut the entire standing charge. you reckon it's a con ? charge. you reckon it's a con? cor blimey. i reckon energy companies would disagree with that. all said, yes , absolutely. that. all said, yes, absolutely. a social tariff , but only for

a social tariff, but only for the over 70s and for disabled people . you're saying that people. you're saying that younger people have a lot of choices in terms of expanding their their income that other people perhaps don't? controversial. what do you think to that then that social tariff would you back it but restrict it based on age and ability ? how it based on age and ability? how would you even police that when it comes to things like ability? i don't know. you get in touch and you tell me now let's talk 20 miles an hour zones. do you have one of these near you? i mean, these things are popping up pretty all the up pretty much all over the place sunak , he place now. and rishi sunak, he knows what he's doing because many would say now he many people would say now he is starting aim at some of starting to take aim at some of these 20 mile hour zones . you these 20 mile an hour zones. you saw that went on in uxbridge saw all that went on in uxbridge when it came to things like ulez, many people saying that there motorists there is a war on motorists rishi sunak looking perhaps like he might start putting pressure on of these councils that on some of these councils that are wanting to enforce these 20 mile an hour zones to try and stop them. cynical is that a

vote winner or what? i don't know. you tell me. let's get the view, though, of the founder of stop killing cyclists and the director climate media director of the climate media coalition, donica mccarthy. good evening to you . 20 mile an hour evening to you. 20 mile an hour zones, do you support them? >> of course we do. they really make a significant difference to safety for kids. the prime minister really seems to be declaring a war on kids. you know, 15,000 kids a year are dying from or sorry, are killed and injured on our roads. and so it's really important that we should actually maintain the 20 mile per hour zones and expand them in urban areas. so i mean, rishi sunak would obviously dispute that it's a war on kids. >> but if this is all about in your mind and protecting children, you know, children are not out and 24 hours not out and about 24 hours a day. even i buy that day. so even if i buy that notion, why aren't these limits timed then? so why don't they apply? i don't know. in the morning kids are going to morning when kids are going to schools the weekends when schools or on the weekends when there about and there might be out and about and stop, i don't know, p.m. stop, say, i don't know, 9 pm. at night? stop, say, i don't know, 9 pm. at rwell, it's not just kids. we

>> well, it's not just kids. we want save. it's actually want to save. it's actually adults well. 135,000 adults adults as well. 135,000 adults and children were injured last yean and children were injured last year. the fatality rate has gone up, was just announced this week andits up, was just announced this week and it's gone up 10. so the idea that we actually change the times of the of when 20 mile per hour zones are changing for a few streets in towns and cities would confuse drivers this actually makes sense to have consistent speed limits in towns and cities . it's pro kids and and cities. it's pro kids and it's actually tackles confusion for drivers and reduce the amount of time that they will get fined unnecessarily. see, one of my view is shane. >> he's listening to the conversation. he's saying, can you ask your guest if people are driving at 20 mile an hour? he's saying surely they put more co2 into the air driving than they would be driving at 30? is that an argument or not that that is said by some people. >> but what actually happens is because the traffic is smoother overall , all the pollution is overall, all the pollution is the same. there has been studies

donein the same. there has been studies done in spain where they have introduced parisien and introduced 20 le parisien and they found that pollution did not up. but you introduced not go up. but you introduced the segment by talking about the war on motorists and i'm really tired of hearing that trite phrase. the real war is actually on safety and the war is on on people who use public transport. over the last ten years, the government has cut £130 billion off fuel duty, making fuel duty significantly cheaper for drivers as well as at the same time, they insisted every year the funding for sorry , the fares the funding for sorry, the fares for public transport should be above inflation. so really hammering the poor who don't have cars . and the second thing have cars. and the second thing they did on the war in public transport is they slashed 50% of the bus routes in the united kingdom since the tories came to power. can you imagine if we actually eliminated 50% of the roads in the last ten years? drivers would be then saying, rightly , there is war on rightly, there is a war on motorists. the real is motorists. the real war is on kids safety and on public transport. under this government i >> well, there you go. you

articulate your message well. that's monica mccarthy . thank that's monica mccarthy. thank you for your time. that's monica mccarthy. thank you for your time . do you agree you for your time. do you agree with that? as rishi sunak got a war on kids? >> no, he hasn't got a war on kids. look, i think donica is putting case, frankly, putting his case, but frankly, from evidence i've seen, i from the evidence i've seen, i mean, around schools, you mean, yes, around schools, you have restricted zones. you have 20 hour. but actually , 20 miles an hour. but actually, for rest of areas , 30 miles for the rest of areas, 30 miles an hour has worked extremely well. at the size of the well. look at the size of the petition in wales. it's the biggest ever petition, i think, in this country. it's approaching 500,000 people now. it is think it's in the order it is i think it's in the order of 25% of all adults in the whole of wales. are they saying enoughis whole of wales. are they saying enough is enough? this is completely wrong. and the idea when see a cyclist go past when you see a cyclist go past you, you're driving at 20 you, when you're driving at 20 miles an hour, i mean, it's just is it's absurd. >> it's not just cyclists, is it? >> some people have those electric scooters that they with, those things can zip past. you up to quite high you can get up to quite high speedsif you can get up to quite high speeds if they've been tampered with. seemed to with. i'm sure labour seemed to be pushing a lot of this stuff. so over in wales we've just been

talking about a situation there . that, do you think ? . why is that, do you think? >> well, i mean, i suspect because they believe it's the right thing to do , combined with right thing to do, combined with the fact the fact that they perhaps think it might be electorally popular, that's generally the reason why a political party does does anything i detect on this one, it's not universally popular. >> do you do you agree with it? >> do you do you agree with it? >> do you agree with these? i have to say i'm not opposed to it in principle. >> i dislike the idea. i'm not a car person. i dislike the idea of cars hurtling around our streets too quickly . i think it streets too quickly. i think it inhibits kids in terms of being able to play in the street . i able to play in the street. i think it's a nightmare for pedestrians sometimes . so i'm pedestrians sometimes. so i'm not actually opposed to the idea in principle, but i just think it's a bit silly to have different rules for different local authority cars and allowing local authority or devolved governments just to pick their own kind of rules when actually the road system is a national network. it's a national system. it strikes me

that there should be a uniform policy for these things rather than going from one district into the next. and finding that actually a different actually there's a different set of i do think of rules there. i do think there's an argument to say there are too many cars on our road. we need to find ways of getting people out of their cars, onto bicycles, onto public transport. >> a bicycle to >> you can't go on a bicycle to get work if you're driving 30 get to work if you're driving 30 miles an hour. you in miles an hour. if you live in the countryside, people to the countryside, most people to get they need their get to work, they need their cars. is what creates cars. and this is what creates growth. creates economic growth. it creates economic activity that actually then helps well off the helps the least well off the most. >> of look, i'm not >> of course. look, i'm not suggesting that people live suggesting that people who live 30 work can can get 30 miles from work can can get i mean, people choose to, mean, some people may choose to, but accept that that but i accept that in that scenario, people but scenario, most people can't. but i it's fair to say also, i think it's fair to say also, richard, that are people, richard, that there are people, especially of our larger especially in some of our larger cities and towns who drive to work probably don't need to. work who probably don't need to. and i think we need to find ways of to of encouraging those people to take transport, but we take public transport, but we need to invest in public transport. thing, ian says. >> i wales and the >> i live in wales and the blankets 20 mile an hour limit is he's put that is a nightmare. he's put that in capitals, so i know he means

business. he says it takes twice as to get to the as long just to get to the dentist as the a—class road going now 20 miles an going there is now 20 miles an houn going there is now 20 miles an hour. the thing is, you can find a dentist. >> well, that's the thing that astonishes than anything >> well, that's the thing that astonithat than anything >> well, that's the thing that astoni that sentence. than anything about that sentence. >> just said to me, ian, is >> you just said to me, ian, is that you're even managing to get a the a dentist appointment in the first place. >> he actually lives in london, but is in wales. but his dentist is in wales. >> he's double the pain whilst he's dentist. he's getting to the dentist. >> need to know ian, where >> we need to know ian, where is this yours has this dentist of yours that has these appointments year? these appointments every year? >> queue outside in tomorrow. >> you'll never get there. never mind 20 mile an hour. yeah. mind your 20 mile an hour. yeah. there'll jams, you'll there'll be traffic jams, you'll be blocked and you'll getting be blocked and you'll be getting nowhere. fascinated. nowhere. anyway. i'm fascinated. where is this dentist? get in touch let me know. and now touch and let me know. and now here sentence i never here is the sentence i never thought would leave mouth. thought would leave my mouth. after break, want to talk after the break, i want to talk to well. to you about trees as well. a tree particular, and another tree in particular, and another sentence always leaves sentence that always leaves my mind. talk to you mind. i want to talk to you about pubs. that's always on my mind. tree and pubs. what's not to about next segment? to love about our next segment?

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in two. hello there . it's 7:00. and i'm hello there. it's 7:00. and i'm michele. no, it's not 7:00. i was just about to say it's 7:00. cheers. goodbye i'm getting old. >> i've not even had a sip yet. >> i've not even had a sip yet. >> yeah, i'm getting excited because juneberries haven't is open. it is friday night. richard tice alongside me. first time on the show. thank you. you're welcome. paul. embery. cheers to you too. cheers to you at home. the weekend begins now. lots of you getting in touch about that . the topic that you about that. the topic that you were just talking about. nobody's having any of your nonsense. what you're saying about the cars. apparently please, can you ask paul to get me to work at 8 am. without using my car? no >> i made the point that we need to invest in public transport. >> backtracking now? no, no, no. >> backtracking now? no, no, no. >> i did make that point. if we. if we're going to get people out of their cars onto public transport, got to make it transport, we've got to make it cleaner, efficient, cleaner, more efficient,

cheapen cleaner, more efficient, cheaper. takes cheaper. and that takes investment. well >> people >> well, a lot of people defending their cars and they actually their cars. actually love their cars. >> right . >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> 20 an hour not >> 20 mile an hour is not getting lot of love. i've i've getting a lot of love. i've i've lived on a straight road in wales that was once national speed limit, says mark. then it went down to 40, then it was 30. and now it's 20. it's ridiculous . home off hour . coming home off a 12 hour night shift. almost fall night shift. i almost fall asleep, says. cor blimey it asleep, he says. cor blimey it before, but if it takes longer to travel like that then actually got more cars on actually you've got more cars on the people are trying the road when people are trying to get to and from work. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> look, i want to talk to you about before leave about pubs before i leave you nearly 400 them have closed nearly 400 of them have closed their for good england their doors for good in england and wales. that's just in the first of this year alone. first half of this year alone. and get this, almost as and get this, it's almost as many the whole of 2022. tell many as the whole of 2022. tell me, how save british me, how do we save the british boozer things. you've got to >> two key things. you've got to reduce the business rates on small businesses, pubs , leisure small businesses, pubs, leisure so that that would make it the profit loss easier. and also as i touched on earlier, we've got to have much lower energy costs.

those are making it really difficult for pubs the way you can pay for cheaper business rates or zero business rates for small businesses on high small businesses is on the high street. is that you street. michelle is that you have a small delivery tax for the huge increase in delivery as the huge increase in delivery as the amazons, the the ebays, the amazons, the justeat and all of that. that creates level playing field, creates a level playing field, 2 or 3. >> who pays out tax the consumer because oh well, yeah. >> but at the end of the day you've then got choice . you've then got genuine choice. and what's happening at the moment haven't got moment is you haven't got a level playing and so it's level playing field. and so it's actually pubs, the small actually the pubs, the small businesses, high street businesses, the high street premises who are really struggling. they're getting absolute shafted by councils that keep raising business rates and you end up with with half empty high streets and sadly , empty high streets and sadly, tragically, hundreds and hundreds of our good british pubs shutting, it's a disaster indeed. >> there you go. business rates the answer. would you be happy to pay an extra? don't know, to pay an extra? i don't know, 2 to pay an extra? i don't know, 2 to 3% on your online deliveries if it helped level the playing field. paul . saving field. you tell me, paul. saving the pubs. >> how do we it? i don't >> how do we do it? i don't think we can, to honest. think we can, to be honest. >> and think that's a tragedy.

>> and i think that's a tragedy. i a decent pub, but i mean, i love a decent pub, but i mean, i love a decent pub, but i think the truth is that pubs are kind of on their way out. i think of the place where i grew up in east london and the number of pubs that were existence of pubs that were in existence when kid compared to when i was a kid compared to when i was a kid compared to when back there now and see when i go back there now and see just a smattering of pubs and usually pubs look like usually those pubs look like they're ripe for closure as well. i think we are in many respects a very different country country that we country to the country that we were in the 70s and the 80s when i grew up, when things like pubs were the centrepiece of the community, they were a source of bringing i bringing people together. i think because of things like supermarkets selling cheap beer. i think because of changing demographics in some places , as demographics in some places, as i because as richard said, i think because as richard said, the energy bills, i think lockdown had a massive impact on these well . i think these things as well. i think also that the sort of advance of the internet and technology in the internet and technology in the home and entertainment in the home and entertainment in the home, people don't feel that need. they can speak to their friends online. their youngsters can speak to their friends onune can speak to their friends online without go to

online without having to go to the and have a pint. i think the pub and have a pint. i think all of those things combined have death have sounded the death knell really the and i do really for the pub, and i do think that is a crying shame because they are. >> i don't want a community. >> i don't want a community. >> well, a community isn't a community. >> well, a community isn't a commu|tavern still going? yeah obviously. >> and that's important. >> and that's important. >> this is a very important announcement because ian got announcement because ian has got back about dentist. back in touch about his dentist. >> is. nhs >> he says it is. it is nhs dentist. he says one of that's what he's telling me. he says it's one of the few things our local health trust got local health trust has got right. community dentists in local health centres. he caveats. it he says they don't do he says, do the private. he says, cosmetic provide cosmetic stuff, but they provide a dental service. well a very good dental service. well there go. can't get into there you go. you can't get into a dentist, apparently, so it seems. i want to quickly ask you about tree. you'll be familiar about a tree. you'll be familiar with this. the sycamore gap tree or robin hood tree that or the robin hood tree that was cut been cut down. somebody has been arrested because of it. arrested about it because of it. so don't to get into the so i don't want to get into the whys and wherefores of who did it, has really upset it, but this has really upset a lot of people. i might try and get picture of it to remind get a picture up of it to remind you what we're talking about. is it upset you, richard? >> has actually. >> it has actually.

>> it has actually. >> has. i mean, trees >> it really has. i mean, trees take long to grow and that take so long to grow and that was it was beautiful tree, was it was a beautiful tree, really historic and not so beautiful there. >> but it's it is an >> but no, but it's it is an absolute tragedy. >> and i can't imagine why >> and i just can't imagine why anybody in anything like that would want to cause such a vandalism. just desperate, vandalism. it's just desperate, heartbreaking . heartbreaking. >> it is, actually. >> it is, actually. >> paul yeah, i thought this was such sad story, a really sad story. >> there are beautiful parts of our country which we don't chensh our country which we don't cherish and we should do. and this was one such example . and this was one such example. and to see it cut down like that, i know there was a report this afternoon that they may be able to regrow it from the shoots. i think they saying, think they were saying, which would a great thing. but why would be a great thing. but why would be a great thing. but why would to engage in would anyone want to engage in that kind of mindless van ism? what would possess a person to do that absolutely appalling and a really sad story. >> it is actually. and it's upset a lot of people. i understand that, jeff says. can you ask everyone, everyone that's this lovely that's upset about this lovely tree? all upset about tree? are you all upset about what government did when it what the government did when it comes to historical woods trying to hs2 run to to get the hs2 to run to manchester, them down?

manchester, cutting them down? >> mad about it. >> i'm absolutely mad about it. i've never supported hs2. it was a catastrophic from the a catastrophic scheme from the start. all of the investment should gone in the north should have gone in the north and up from to and levelling up from east to west, places that love, west, places that you love, like hull, up the east hull, michelle up the east coast, newcastle, leeds, liverpool, all of liverpool, manchester, all of that. and that would have made a massive difference. this is a catastrophe has destroyed catastrophe and it has destroyed really historic woodlands in in the home counties. and frankly , the home counties. and frankly, the home counties. and frankly, the whole thing should still be scrapped . scrapped. >> pull on hs2. >> pull on hs2. >> no, on the trees. >> no, on the trees. >> i was upset about the trees being cut down for infrastructure projects. >> yeah, absolutely . i >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. i mean, hs2 is a folly. we should never never have never we should never have chopped down wooded areas chopped down those wooded areas for it. not acceptable. i agree with richard. >> um, aaron says the reason pubs are struggling is because they're charged £7 a pint and £10 for a gin and tonic. i bet other people have got prices that are a bit higher than £10 for gin and tonic. that are a bit higher than £10 for gin and tonic . carol says for gin and tonic. carol says paul would get absolutely slated in wales with what he she said about pubs closing. we're doing

absolute everything that we can to keep our pubs open and dentists apparently. >> well, yeah, there you go. dentists. >> says you've got to >> carol says you've got to fight your local pub. we all fight for your local pub. we all sit here, don't we, and talk about how do we save pubs? the obvious answer is to go in there and spend our money in them. if we do that, then you use we don't do that, then you use it or you lose it. i think is the look, time flies the phrase, look, time flies when having fun. paul, when you're having fun. paul, thank you very much your thank you very much for your company tonight, debut. company tonight, your debut. >> absolutely fantastic. >> absolutely fantastic. >> tice for >> thank you, richard tice for yours. you know as well how yours. and you know as well how important you thank you for important you are. thank you for watching. and listen, i very much appreciate company

n ext next >> welcome to my show. and tonight, we're going to absolutely brilliant line up. we've got the home secretary suella braverman. she's just on her way back from america to talk our broken asylum talk about our broken asylum system. henry smith, he's system. also, henry smith, he's a conservative mp for crawley. i've got james snyder. he's back on at the left in the on the show at the left in the corner. he's a former adviser to jeremy corbyn. nigel nelson , jeremy corbyn. nigel nelson, political correspondent. he's back show for the second back on the show for the second time. we've also got the legendary dj neil fox. he's for on the first time, and katie waissel, who's a singer songwriter. but first, let's go to the . news to the. news >> hi, i'm aaron armstrong . very >> hi, i'm aaron armstrong. very good evening to you from the gb newsroom . i'm a 14 year old girl newsroom. i'm a 14 year old girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m50 . three on the wirral . the m50. three on the wirral. pupils were their way to pupils were on their way to caldy grange grammar school in west kirby grammar school this morning. the bus was carrying 54 people when it collided with a car and struck central