thursday in what police down on thursday in what police believe was a deliberate act of vandalism. a man in his 60s has been detained , along with a 16 been detained, along with a 16 year old boy who was arrested yesterday. the sycamore gap tree featured in the 1991 film robin hood, prince of thieves . a man hood, prince of thieves. a man has charged in las vegas has been charged in las vegas with the 1996 murder of the rapper tupac shakur. the 25 year old was killed in a drive by shooting in las vegas, 27 years ago. police say the 60 year old dwayne kathy dee davis was the leader of an la gang who planned the shooting after his nephew was involved in a fight with shakur davis has long been known to investigators and has admitted in interviews he was in the car from which shots were fired . well, this is gb news on fired. well, this is gb news on tv, digital radio and smart speaker two that's it from me. now it's time for headliners as

i >> hello and welcome to headliners. i'm andrew doyle and joining me to go through the best stories in saturday's newspapers that don't mention gb news are comedians on borrowed time. louis schaefer and nicholas de santo both quite right leaning, i would say. so i'm going to be extra leftwing tonight. going to be like tonight. i'm going to be like stalin think i googled. i >> i don't think i googled. i actually gpt is actually did a chat. gpt is louis schaefer right wing . and louis schaefer right wing. and they said, no, no , you are a bit they said, no, no, you are a bit of an enigma , though. of an enigma, though. >> that's why the ladies love you so much. >> just too much of a puzzle, right? so if you turn, if you turn to left wing, then i will become right wing. you will have forced take forced me. you just always take the position. forced me. you just always take the nicholas, )osition. forced me. you just always take the nicholas, are tion. forced me. you just always take the nicholas, are you well? >> nicholas, are you well? >> nicholas, are you well? >> i'm well especially honoured to this week. are you? >> yeah. good. as you should be. you? >> be|h. good. as you should be. you? >> be proud.d. as you should be. you? >> be proud. now you should be. you? >> be proud. now we'rehould be. you? >> be proud. now we're going be. you? >> be proud. now we're going to start by looking at the front pages of saturday's newspapers, the daily mail is leading with poll the path to poll shows rishi on the path to victory . we're going to dissect victory. we're going to dissect that one moment. the that in just one moment. the telegraph has braverman refuses talks with welby over migration

. the mirror is running with school bus in way horror . the school bus in way horror. the times we can't let tax rises go on forever , says jeremy hunt and on forever, says jeremy hunt and the express is running with tories. declare war on motorists is over . so that's not tories. declare war on motorists is over. so that's not happening anymore, apparently. and finally, the daily star. more brits like pineapple on their pizza than not. you sick deviants. that is a sentiment i endorse. those were your front pages. endorse. those were your front pages . okay. we're going to kick pages. okay. we're going to kick off this look into saturday's papers with the daily mail. lewis, what are they running with? well, they're running with pushing sunak saying poll pushing rishi sunak saying poll shows rishi to victory . shows rishi a path to victory. and they've done they've done a poll and they basically is poll and they said basically is that the people agree with his position on on delaying net zero. they're agreeing with him on rwanda by a huge margin. yes, they are . and one of the things

they are. and one of the things was the other thing, i'm going to get rid of the death tax. they want to get rid of the death tax. and even my kid thinks that he's to have thinks that he's going to have to death tax and he knows to pay death tax and he knows who father is. father is. who his father is. father is. so that's aren't going that's most people aren't going to pay it. i think it's like only this is interesting. this is rishi of moving to is this rishi sort of moving to the right. mean, course, the right. i mean, of course, you he was on you would assume that he was on the anyway, being a you the right anyway, being a you know, the conservative know, member of the conservative party. although interesting know, member of the conservative party because 1h interesting know, member of the conservative partybecausejh articlezsting here because this article has a quotation duncan smith quotation from iain duncan smith , tory leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says tory leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that tory leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he'story leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's aty leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's at his ader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's at his rishi who says that he's at his rishi sunak this is at best when sunak this is at his best when he's a conservative of nicholas. i mean , what do you make of that? >> well, as a you know, i could be the typical conservative voter, right? >> yes. i'm just hoping this is not too late, not too little, too late, because with all due respect, the policy taken the rwanda policy has not taken off, if you pardon the pun . off, if you pardon the pun. >> i do not. as we might see you do. >> pardon or no, i do not. pardon the pun. i don't like puns. carry on for that. >> it's early in the show. >> it's early in the show. >> it's early in the show. >> it is. i'll try to redeem myself towards the end for there

down we will see that this government is poised to raise taxes. yes. to the highest level in peacetime . taxes. yes. to the highest level in peacetime. um, taxes. yes. to the highest level in peacetime . um, even exceeding in peacetime. um, even exceeding tony blair's record, which stands to this date. >> so how does that make you feel? as as you put it yourself, a sort of typical conservative type. i mean, very uneasy. >> so let's give a chance. >> so let's give him a chance. but net zero, i reckon the majority of his voters don't want any net zero. yeah, i don't want any net zero. yeah, i don't want any net zero. >> this is why people are saying that adopting kind of that he's adopting kind of populist this point that he's adopting kind of popuilouis, this point that he's adopting kind of popuilouis, the this point that he's adopting kind of popuilouis, the thing|is point that he's adopting kind of popuilouis, the thing is, point that he's adopting kind of popuilouis, the thing is, this: . but louis, the thing is, this is in the daily mail, is a poll in the daily mail, right? they're probably polling daily readers. there's daily mail readers. there's probably doesn't really reflect i talking about it i mean, they're talking about it being path to being a potential path to victory. really, is it? it's victory. not really, is it? it's just it's the way that conservative voters would like a conservative government to behave. i don't know . behave. basically i don't know. it is done by i think it's done by sarvesh. it's done by a reputable firm. oh is it? but you are totally right. right. and daily mail didn't do the poll. they hired a company to do the poll. okay. you're totally

right to question anything that's mail that's in the daily mail or anything of these anything that's in any of these newspapers. they newspapers. the fact is they want sunak win . so want rishi sunak to win. so this is they're painting is why they're painting it in this way. of course. of course. i mean, fact is i agree with i mean, the fact is i agree with my colleague from iran my esteemed colleague from iran or you're from. or italy, wherever you're from. i he's from both. i think he's from both. both. you're half you're half iranian, half italian. yes. >> the right card? yeah >> playing the right card? yeah right moment. >> playing the right card? yeah rig people ent.we're >> people say we're not multicultural channel, >> people say we're not multherejral channel, >> people say we're not multherejral go. channel, >> people say we're not multherejral go. knowmnel, >> people say we're not multherejral go. knowmneiare but there we go. i know you are an embodiment that principle. an embodiment of that principle. i don't like him because. because. because he's like a competitor the ladies competitor for me in the ladies out there. >> i appreciate the honesty and out there. >> ladies sciate the honesty and out there. >> ladies because�* honesty and out there. >> ladies because�* honwaty and the ladies because he's a combination of italian combination of that italian suaveness and the danger of an iranian. >> so it was very, very danger of an iran . of an iran. >> the unpredictability. yes >> the unpredictability. yes >> just just the women love that kind of thing. do they indeed, louis? well, you're the expert. we all know that. we're going to have a look at the front have a look now at the front cover of the telegraph. what have got? have they got? >> nicholas? a couple of interesting story. braverman refuses with welby over refuses talks with welby over migration. okay. i'd say good on her. >> and this is obviously in the

wake of this speech she gave in america regarding multiculturalism and welby, as we know, and actually the church generally has bit of history generally has a bit of a history of wading in it comes to of wading in when it comes to this issue. yeah this particular issue. yeah >> more >> and i'd like to see them more maybe wading into the defence of christianity dealing with christianity and dealing with empty. empty empty. we have so many empty churches country. even churches in this country. even islamic bother islamic terrorists don't bother attacking france attacking them. unlike in france . or you ever heard of a . or have you ever heard of a plot foiled by by by the plot being foiled by by by the by the authorities? because some somebody wanted to attack. it happens in italy, in france, elsewhere, all the time. but i'd say dealing with the say more dealing with the christian faith and empty churches and the christian identity and less political activism. we already have have a king who has been a bit of an activist in the in the environmental era . now he's environmental era. now he's a new king. we need give him new king. we need to give him time. and sadly, down in italy , time. and sadly, down in italy, the pope a bit of a this the pope is also a bit of a this p°per the pope is also a bit of a this pope, you know, catholic pope, you know, the catholic church have the same church. so we have the same problem. everyone's problem. i suppose everyone's entitled to an opinion. >> come to these >> but when you come to these sort religious figureheads, sort of religious figureheads, they function, they do have another function, which is they are representatives of their institution. louis, do you have do you feel that religious figureheads involve

figureheads should involve themselves in political skirmishes ? yes. if it's on the skirmishes? yes. if it's on the side support it. there we side that i support it. there we go. and that's and that's what this is. it's the reason why you're against it or the reason why against it is why nico is against it is because church is whether he why nico is against it is beiane church is whether he why nico is against it is bein italy church is whether he why nico is against it is bein italy orchurch is whether he why nico is against it is bein italy or injrch is whether he why nico is against it is bein italy or in france whether he why nico is against it is bein italy or in france arether he or in italy or in france are taking the they're on the world team, as you know, we've the world is divided into two ideologies. one is this kumbaya, open borders . we don't care open borders. we don't care about the people who are living in any locality. then in any locality. and then there's the team, britain or the team , local people. sure team, local people. i'm not sure that's right. louis i mean, there and of there are lots and lots of people that talk to who think people that i talk to who think that should be welcoming of that we should be welcoming of people cultures people from different cultures and who are and particularly people who are seeking the same and particularly people who are seekirwe the same and particularly people who are seekirwe do the same and particularly people who are seekirwe do need the same and particularly people who are seekirwe do need to the same and particularly people who are seekirwe do need to keepe same and particularly people who are seekirwe do need to keep asame and particularly people who are seekirwe do need to keep a check time, we do need to keep a check on to make sure that on migration to make sure that it too excessive. it doesn't become too excessive. obviously, that's middle obviously, that's the middle ground, more and more, ground, but more and more, there's no room for middle ground. you're either supporting the team world and immigration or you're supporting the local. >> well, accountability >> well, the accountability of a government has mandate . government who has a mandate. even to caesar. even jesus said give to caesar. what belongs him and give to what belongs to him and give to god separation of state god what separation of state and

church . church. >> and it's like, hillel, if i can if i can another kind of can if i can do another kind of almost biblical thing, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid,|iblical thing, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if lical thing, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if ical thing, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if i amthing, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if i am notg, he said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if i am not fore said. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if i am not for my|id. can if i can do another kind of alnsaid, if i am not for my if. he said, if i am not for my if i'm only for myself, what am i? and if i am, but if i am, i love it when you try to quote and get it when you try to quote and get it completely wrong . it's this it completely wrong. it's this is why you shouldn't improvise . is why you shouldn't improvise. louis. i know you should always prepare and rehearse, but know prepare and rehearse, but i know i wasn't thinking because he didn't tell me what was going didn't tell me what he was going to i don't know what the to say. i don't know what the quy's to say. i don't know what the guy's it's not guy's going to say. it's not that show. it's not. that kind of show. it's not. it's. only for myself. who it's. i'm only for myself. who am am. if i'm. if i'm am i? if i am. if i'm. if i'm not for myself, do you know? >> i'm not even going to give you a third shot at that. >> just it on both. >> just got it wrong on both. it'll be twitter. we're it'll be it'll be twitter. we're going to we're going on going to we're going to stay on the telegraph, because the telegraph, though, because there's other there's a couple of other stories front cover that stories on this front cover that i'm quite interested in. parking stories on this front cover that i'm forte interested in. parking stories on this front cover that i'm for wholerested in. parking stories on this front cover that i'm for wholerested in. ptories app for whole country as tories target car measures. is target anti car measures. is that right an app that moving to the right an app that moving to the right an app that will what do you that will help us. what do you think it's a double edged sword basically because the team world. yes okay they don't want

cars they want 15 minutes cities they want ltl. it's all in the same side. you think these are all separate issues? it's all one thing. and what the government is saying we're going to care about cars so you'll be able to have freedom of movement. but at the same time, the government going to have the government is going to have an control the an app and control all the parking all and they'll be parking and all and they'll be able to turn you off. that's another surveillance thing. is that what you're thinking? yes thought yeah. that what you're thinking? yes tho ifjht yeah. that what you're thinking? yes tho if they yeah. that what you're thinking? yes tho if they give yeah. that what you're thinking? yes tho if they give up yeah. that what you're thinking? yes tho if they give up theirh. >> if they give up their crusades against motorists, i'm all but again, all for that. but again, this government married to government is so much married to net can't really net zero that you can't really you help see the you can't help but see the contradiction there. >> one other little >> now, there's one other little story cover right story on the front cover right at the bottom small at the bottom in very small letters, more than half of men now hair. yeah. and now have facial hair. yeah. and it doesn't it says further down and a third of all women it doesn't that, that's doesn't say that, lewis. that's just embellishing point. just your embellishing point. this is this is what you made a joke. it's some joke. that's a joke. it's some say a some say fake news, say a joke. some say fake news, but of us are bearded. none but none of us are bearded. none of hirsute . and i think, of us are hirsute. and i think, well, think that's the well, do you think that's the way to go? >> i spent teenage years in >> i spent my teenage years in the of the islamic republic of iran against yes. that's

against my will. yes. and that's why i have aversion to facial why i have an aversion to facial hair. yeah. >> okay. well, let's move on now to the front cover of the express. what's going on with the express? the express? the express? louis the express? is this is that the tories little air war on drivers? the same same . little air war on drivers? the same same. it's little air war on drivers? the same same . it's over. it's over. same same. it's over. it's over. no. declare that it's over. write that the war is declared. war on drivers is over. so not only are they not only are they doing that thing that that that that driving thing because they want local councils want to stop the local councils from taking advantage of people by they want by 20 miles an hour. they want to to fill in the to they want to fill in the potholes. want low potholes. they want no low whatever traffic neighbourhoods and they want they're against. this is what they say. i i don't i mean, i'm sorry to say, i don't believe them. you don't believe the government? >> because the war on driving and and essentially being and flying and essentially being happy and parcel of the happy is part and parcel of the net zero agenda. and that's why we a hard believing that. >> and where is the zero >> and where is the net zero agenda comes from? it comes from team world, which basically he wants what is this team wants wants what is this team world you keep talking world is going to trend by the end of

this show team world it's like it's like the world basically what it's the european what it is it's the european ideal of no borders kumbaya people this people getting along. okay. this is something that you're developing. going trend developing. it's going to trend . it's going to be .you're right. it's going to be louis world. louis for globalist team world. yeah, don't yeah, it's a globalist. i don't want to the globalist want to mention the globalist because and are you jewish? >> not really. but i look jewish, okay. people jewish, so it's okay. people often think i'm konstantin kissing. >> let's move on to the daily star. this is a nice, frivolous story on the daily star, isn't it? >> yeah. i mean , you usually >> yeah. i mean, you usually have the last headline we have, let's say light hearted headline. this is despicable . headline. this is despicable. all right. and of all people, as an italian citizen, i don't want to risk losing my citizenship or anything if it turns out, according to this survey , that according to this survey, that for first time, just above for the first time, just above 50% of brits, if i'm not getting it wrong or almost 50% of brits or 43, as opposed to 37 prefer pineapples on their pizzas, which is an abundance , well, it which is an abundance, well, it is an abomination. >> the daily star describes them as deviant. >> i don't think too that's strong. >> i think there should be actually laws against this kind

of what do you of thing. yeah. what do you think, well, i mean, think, lewis? well, i mean, first all, it was invented in first of all, it was invented in america and americans is basically as a basically invented pizza as a food. no italians, no , it food. no italians, no, it wasn't. it wasn't. and he will attest to this. if pizza wasn't attest to this. if pizza wasn't a food back in the day, it was like a little of snack. like a little bit of snack. everybody. mean, it wasn't a everybody. i mean, it wasn't a food. wasn't it a food. it wasn't it wasn't a drastic. didn't didn't drastic. you didn't you didn't eat it for meal. you didn't go eat it for a meal. you didn't go out pizza in out and have a huge pizza in italy has been italy the way it has been present covid from america. >> still by italian americans. but but yeah, it was it was a snack. back in snack. maybe back back in naples. america became okay. >> well, rather just dwell >> well, rather than just dwell on pizza, we've on the history of pizza, we've got a lot more to get through tonight. going to put tonight. so i'm going to put a stop to that. and we're to going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o that. and we're to going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o break. ind we're to going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o break. thate're to going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o break. that ise to going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o break. that is itto going tonight. so i'm going to put a stoto:o break. that is it forjoing go to a break. that is it for part one. look, coming up, part one. but look, coming up, we've the swedish army. we've got the swedish army. we've something about the we've got something about the newest gang on the block. i don't know what that means, but it was there in

news radio. welcome back to headliners, your first look at saturday's newspapers . newspapers. >> i'm andrew doyle, and we've got here lewis schaffer, which means i've got ofcom on speed dial and nicholas de santos. welcome back, nicholas. we're going to start this section on with saturday's daily mail, the gb news is back in the news, and this, i think, is a ridiculous headline. this is actually annoyed me a little bit. lewis what is the headline on this one? chaos gb news one? it says chaos at gb news grows. calvin robinson grows. now calvin robinson becomes the third presenter to grows. now calvin robinson betsuspended:hird presenter to grows. now calvin robinson betsuspended after)resenter to grows. now calvin robinson betsuspended after refusing to be suspended after refusing to

go and it's that phrase go on and it's that phrase chaos, chaos at gb news. this idea that all of these people are saying that we have complete turmoil in the office. >> yeah, we're just getting on with our lives and we're just trying to carry on as a sensible broadcaster. >> yeah. and i think everyone is just using this opportunity to attack us and suggest that everything is falling apart. we've been at the office now for the last four hours. everything's everything's everything's calm. everything's fine talking fine. what are they talking about? what they're about? i think what they're trying to do is they're just trying to do is they're just trying down the channel trying to shut down the channel and hell and just for the hell of it. yeah, the hell of it. i mean, the problem with the channel is if i could say and i mean, the problem fantastic, but problem is it's fantastic, but this coined as a this is supposedly coined as a free speech channel when the truth it's not truth is it's not it's not necessarily about speech. necessarily about free speech. it's about any kind of speech. well, a free well, i think we are a free speech channel. and i think what's about that we what's great about it is that we have all genuinely have all kinds of opinions, you kinds of opinions, which you don't get on other channels. nicholas, have to point this nicholas, i have to point this out sounds a bit like out and this sounds a bit like tribalism or whatever, when out and this sounds a bit like trib bbc| or whatever, when out and this sounds a bit like trib bbc did whatever, when out and this sounds a bit like trib bbc did theirever, when out and this sounds a bit like trib bbc did their newsnight1en the bbc did their newsnight programme about gb news the other no other night, there was no dissenting that panel.

dissenting voice on that panel. they against gb news. they were all against gb news. and not that, two people on and not only that, two people on that news that panel said that gb news should down. right? should be closed down. right? and them was a tory mp. and one of them was a tory mp. >> height of hypocrisy, you >> the height of hypocrisy, you know, people mean, bbc is no know, people i mean, bbc is no stranger scandals really. stranger to scandals really. >> i haven't heard any what are you talking about? >> nicholas channel >> nicholas itv, channel 4. these our competitors , you these are our competitors, you know, and, you know, just just go for jimmy savile they covered him and they covered up for him and people who tolerated him, even years after his death, you know, and these are know, and now these people are lecturing about values and lecturing us about values and about, you know , decency. and about, you know, decency. and i would say i just want to repeat what calvin robinson has said, that gb news is more than just an outlet. it's a mission because people believe in something. the first because people believe in someiwe g. the first because people believe in someiwe have the first because people believe in someiwe have an the first because people believe in someiwe have an outletiirst is time, we have an outlet which is speaking something that is other than the mainstream narrative. >> it's funny, though, i think the bbc, if they were being sensible on that panel, they would brought someone would have brought in someone else to give the else just to even give the impression of impartiality. >> anyway, we do move on >> anyway, we do have to move on to telegraph now.

to saturday's telegraph now. nicholas good news. more tax rises . yes. what do you make of rises. yes. what do you make of this? yeah we briefly mentioned this? yeah we briefly mentioned this in the in the headlines. >> tax burden to rise more >> tax burden to rise by more under this parliament than any other during peacetime. ifs says institute of fiscal studies. basically this government and its supposed to be a conservative government , right? conservative government, right? it's going to raise the tax burden by one and a half times a compared to the rise we saw under the first government of tony blair, which has the record to , uh, to this date. yes. to, uh, to this date. yes. nearly 13 times the jump that we saw in the first tory litvinenko. we did touch on this earlier in 2010. we did touch on it earlier. >> louis but any quick thoughts about this or these gargantuan tax rises? yeah. well it's that's why no one can i mean, no one can trust the tories. this is this is something that we, you know , i mean, £3,500 a year you know, i mean, £3,500 a year for every household . there are for every household. there are two people in every household. so it works out to be about

£1,700 probably. is that your mathematics is your strong point? yeah right. we're going to go on to well, actually, this is telegraph again. is is the telegraph again. louis is about migration about net migration on net migration to set to set to break 1 million mark for the first time. i mean it's just it's gotten carried out. it's like it's like what they used say it's like what they used to say about what what the about business. what what the what say about the what they say about the government and house government and the house of congress. congress, $1 congress. you know, congress, $1 billion here, $1 billion thereafter. you're talking thereafter. while you're talking about money. yeah. it's thereafter. while you're talking aimillion money. yeah. it's thereafter. while you're talking aimillion people 1. yeah. it's thereafter. while you're talking aimillion people here.1. it's thereafter. while you're talking aimillion people here. a it's thereafter. while you're talking aimillion people here. a million a million people here. a million people there. after a while in 20 a that's 20 years. that's a that's possibly. well, i know this is this is something that you're worried about, nicholas, isn't it? i've heard it? in particular, i've heard you before, so you talk about this before, so what are your thoughts here? >> promise was >> well, the promise was initially to bring it down to tens thousands. do you tens of thousands. do you remember since that remember that? ever since that con government coalition of con lib government coalition of 2020 ten, that takes me back the days of yore. >> okay, but that that promise has not been fulfilled? >> exactly . we mentioned rwanda, >> exactly. we mentioned rwanda, by . how about people who by the way. how about people who like pineapples pizzas like pineapples on their pizzas on that if it eventually on that plane if it eventually takes off? but will it take off?

>> would support yeah. >> i would support that. yeah. send them away. >> callback for the >> that's a callback for the fans of up comedy. but but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint up comedy. but but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint is up comedy. but but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint is that comedy. but but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint is that the|edy. but but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint is that the countryt but >> that's a callback for the fanspoint is that the country isiut the point is that the country is becoming is changing beyond recognition. and we already see this in areas of london and we already see it in, in in the big cities. and people have a right to say, hey, what's going. >> yeah, but nicholas, you know, london has always been multiethnic and they've always been these kinds of complaints. people peter people always read peter ackroyd's he was ackroyd's book on london. he was talking know, the way talking about, you know, the way that really objected talking about, you know, the way thaipolish really objected talking about, you know, the way that polish people objected talking about, you know, the way that polish people inyjected talking about, you know, the way that polish people in whitechapel the polish people in whitechapel or the jewish population, all sorts things. have sorts of things. there have always been these kind of concerns. the concerns. isn't the one of the great things about london and about big cities that we are about the big cities that we are multi—ethnic? no, no , no, multi—ethnic? like, no, no, no, it isn't. no, it isn't. i come from america, an american jewish man over time i'm over time. it man. over time i'm over time. it takes a long time for people to get used to living with each other. the angles and the saxons are are just now getting used to living with me now, working it out. and the danes and the whatever. i find it incredible that got an iranian,

that we've got an iranian, italian and an american and italian and an american jew, and i'm the guy saying, actually, isn't it that we've got it isn't it great that we've got it in london? >> meant to be the capital >> it's meant to be the capital of england. it's of england. ultimately it's supposed because supposed to be england. because if to if i come to if i want to if i come to england because i want to live with the english right. and speak and hear english speak english and hear english and you of an and just to give you a bit of an italian if you drop italian perspective, if you drop a of water into a a few drops of water into a glass of wine, it is still wine. but becomes 50% water, but when it becomes 50% water, you can no longer call it wine. >> you can't sell it. well, you can getting getting a lot of can and getting getting a lot of trouble so the trouble for it. yeah. so the thought i had, which i thought that i had, which i think lost, is think i've lost, is that is that. no immigration is good. i grew up in new york and in new york in the 1950s. there was massive from america massive immigration from america and from puerto rico and the islands the caribbean. and islands of the caribbean. and it's just taken till for it's just taken till now for those people to become fully at home. it feels like america handles multiculturalism better , though, insofar you have , though, insofar as you have little italy and you have the sort of chinese you sort of chinese area and you have et and yet there is have et cetera. and yet there is people going people there are people going from the other. you from one area to the other. you can for a meal in area.

can go for a meal in this area. you've friends in that area. you've got friends in that area. it like, they have it feels like, yes, they have their they also their communities, but they also interact because interact and mingle because historically way. historically it's been that way. you take england, which is basically was unchained for a thousand put a thousand years and you put in a million they there's million people. they go, there's going to well, that's that's going to be well, that's that's how multicultural ism failed going to be well, that's that's hcthatulticultural ism failed going to be well, that's that's hcthat you ultural ism failed going to be well, that's that's hcthat you haveil ism failed going to be well, that's that's hcthat you have these failed going to be well, that's that's hcthat you have these paralleld is that you have these parallel societies living their little societies living in their little blocks that think that's blocks that and i think that's what suella braverman was talking about a lot of people misunderstood what she was saying. they thought she was talking about multi—ethnic, different she different ethnicities. she wasn't was talking wasn't that she was talking about this idea of homogenous cultural and treating cultural blocks and treating people those blocks rather people as those blocks rather than as individuals. i think that's she who is in favour that's what she who is in favour of multiculturalism, who is in favour immigration on favour of mass immigration on team world, team, world team, world. >> again, i've been listening . >> again, i've been listening. >> again, i've been listening. >> louis is just trying to get a new catchphrase and he's already got death of love and got the death of love and non—story going non—story and now it's going to be team world and i'm even helping him by repeating it. and be team world and i'm even hshouldn'tn by repeating it. and be team world and i'm even hshouldn't doy repeating it. and be team world and i'm even hshouldn't do that. eating it. and be team world and i'm even hshouldn't do that. ea shouldn'td i shouldn't do that. i shouldn't encourage him. anyway, we're going the guardian going to move on to the guardian now. and nicholas, highest taxes. highest migration. is this reason ? um

this the reason? um >> eight. sorry. eight. yes uk outspends the rest of europe on housing asylum seekers by at least 40 per person. 40. 40% per person? yes. so it's a related story. i apologise for my short blackout, but because we have had some similar or we are having, it is confusing. yeah. and i'm always confused when louis schaefer's in the studio because brings this because he just brings this chaos him. so this is one chaos with him. so this is one of those cases you see of those cases in which you see the intentions . yes. let's the good intentions. yes. let's give them the benefit the give them the benefit of the doubt. good intentions can cause disaster. so essentially we have so many more migrants or refugees or i don't know how much of them are how many of them are gender refugees. but that's another debate that britain going to is already britain is going to is already using the foreign aid budget. up to one third of the foreign aid budget money, which is supposed to be spent on poor, needy people overseas to house and feed the people we have here, the refugees we have here. >> well, that changes the nature of the debate, doesn't it,

louis? because i think it's really fantastic that this country has welcomed people in need to do so. i'm continues to do so. i'm genuinely proud of that. but i do have some reservations . if do have some reservations. if what is that people what that means is that people abroad who need our help aren't getting well , i getting our help, well, i actually think it's brilliant that we're spending . i don't that we're spending. i don't know how i coming across this like you like anti—immigrant today. you i mean because you every every time you appear on this show, you appear to have a different perspective. yeah, i think i think immigration in team world wants us to be they want to obliterate britain. if you stand because they want one world that comes from an old after world war ii and people are killing each other. league of nations idea. >> they want to obliterate any nation. >> they want to obliterate every nation. to be in nation. they just want to be in control everything. to control of everything. it has to do hyper efficiency of do with hyper efficiency of business and communications. they're communicate business and communications. they'rethe communicate business and communications. they're the world, mmunicate business and communications. they'rethe world, so 1unicate business and communications. they'rethe world, so 1unic might around the world, so they might as the world from as well run the world from common help people common sense to help people overseas get, get, get overseas so they get, get, get back on their rebuild back on their feet, rebuild their back on their feet, rebuild the and those countries are back on their feet, rebuild the deprived those countries are back on their feet, rebuild the deprived ofase countries are back on their feet, rebuild the deprived of brainwuntries are back on their feet, rebuild the deprived of brain draines are back on their feet, rebuild the deprived of brain drain orrre not deprived of brain drain or their talents . their talents. >> it's hurting those countries.

exactly >> an honest person who genuinely needs that help overseas cannot get it because somebody who has managed to get into a, you know, fridge truck , into a, you know, fridge truck, fridge, lorry across calais to britain and we don't even know that they deserve refugee that they deserve a refugee status or not. they are getting the money. >> okay. we do have to move on now this section. finish now to this section. we finish this this this section with this story, this section with this story, this times. the swedish this is the times. the swedish army. lewis well, this is the same question. if you mentioned team world, i'm going to be absolutely furious. well, it is. it's because over the it's because sweden, over the past, mention it over past, you can mention it over because the names of the because it's the names of the teams have on teams i have to work on the other of team. but other name of the team. but sweden to army and fight sweden to deploy army and fight against surging violence. against surging gang violence. they real problem with they do have a real problem with gang violence, which is really escalated past escalated over the past ten years. all years. and, you know, we all have a swedish friend in common, tobias he was on tobias pearson. he was on my show the show talking about the gang violence being by violence was being ignored by the of the the media when the sort of the centre party was power. centre left party was in power. they pretending it wasn't they were pretending it wasn't happening because there was a lot of migrant were involved in this. and of view is lot of migrant were involved in this. firstly of view is lot of migrant were involved in this. firstly just of view is lot of migrant were involved in this. firstly just apply view is lot of migrant were involved in this. firstly just apply them is lot of migrant were involved in this. firstly just apply the law that firstly just apply the law to it doesn't if to whoever. it doesn't matter if they're doesn't matter

they're migrants, doesn't matter if they're you have to if they're not, you have to apply the law and recognise a problem where there is a problem. yeah, i mean, what do you this, you think of this, nick? >> get back to that metaphor >> to get back to that metaphor of water dropped in wine , i only of water dropped in wine, i only need 2015, they took more need 10s in 2015, they took more foreigners or refugees per capita than the rest of europe. in 2023. now they have more shoes , stings and homicide shoes, stings and homicide victims because of shootings and bombings per capita than the rest of europe. >> okay. well, that is sorry , >> okay. well, that is sorry, louis. that's all we got time for this part. but coming up, for in this part. but coming up, we've got women's quotas, medal mayhem and seattle has woken

radio. >> welcome back to headliners with me, andrew doyle. and we're going to have a look at saturday's newspapers. we're going straight in with the mail in this section. nicholas is this a racist incident? this one? >>i one? >> i don't think so. and i hope not. this is a tricky, tricky story because if we were only to look at, for example, this article , it gives you a reason article, it gives you a reason to think maybe there was a racist incident. >> well, the headline is saying gymnastic islands useless apology slam by furious parents of young black girl ten skipped overin of young black girl ten skipped over in a medal ceremony. we should if we've got the video of this. there's been this clip that's gone online where someone is presenting medals to these girls and in the row of the medals that are presented, she actually skips over the black

girl who's ten years old. and if we can see it, we'll have a look at this in a minute. um, but as i understand it, there's more to this than. >> yeah, because by the if you just look at that clip and the clip doesn't seem a clip doesn't seem to be a complete clip, you know, because sometimes the clip sometimes you feel that the clip has the beginning or has been cut at the beginning or at for whatever at the end or for whatever reason. saying with reason. i'm not saying with malice. point that malice. but the point is that what parents of this what what the parents of this girl, girl, argued, girl, this black girl, argued, we here, that we could see it here, was that she was refused medal. she was refused a medal. a participant because she participant medal, because she was of course, the was black. and of course, the apology came and the apology came and saying came late. and they are saying too little, late. fair too little, too late. fair enough. too little, too late. fair enough . but there are other enough. but there are other pictures and another side to this story where they say the reason she was not initially given the participation medal was that because she had won actually a proper medal. so. >> so basically, this >> okay, so basically, this woman's the woman's going down the line giving medals. giving participation medals. basically the medal that everyone gets, even if they lose right. >> it's just yes, unless they have won a proper medal in which she because she was one she thought because she was one of winners, didn't get of the winners, she didn't get a participation medal. >> would one. and

>> but she would get one. and that's alternative that's the alternative narrative, say, and i know all of are reporting of the newspapers are reporting on though it is on this as though it is definitely a racist incident. it is treated definitely is being treated as definitely a racist of course, racist incident. and of course, we for we we don't know for sure. we should emphasise but it should emphasise that. but it does unlikely that does seem very unlikely that even you were a racist medal even if you were a racist medal giver, that you would skip over the black child because that would draw attention to your horrible racist views. right? you would think that i would, and i would think that. but there are lots of people out there are lots of people out there . she's winning, by the there. she's winning, by the way, who think that there's systemic racism among white people and we can't help ourselves. right and so i think that's what they're seeing. and i of people saw i think a lot of people who saw something like this, including myself, i didn't to see it. myself, i didn't want to see it. when saw her waiting there. when i saw her waiting there. it's painful a little it's so painful to have a little girl. she's not getting a medal. but eventually, maybe it was a lack of communication them. lack of communication from them. it's we it's just interesting to me. we don't know, but all of don't really know, but all of the have made assumption. >> dave chappelle real racism is quiet. it's subtle . i >> dave chappelle real racism is quiet. it's subtle. i mean, >> dave chappelle real racism is quiet. it's subtle . i mean, can quiet. it's subtle. i mean, can you in 2022, this racist you imagine in 2022, this racist person has decided, okay, you're

black, i'm in front of all these cameras. to skip you. cameras. i'm going to skip you. it's seem highly unlikely. >> anyway, we're going to move on to the telegraph with a on to the telegraph now with a novel suggestion . louis, you'll on to the telegraph now with a nowthis ggestion . louis, you'll on to the telegraph now with a nowthis one. tion . louis, you'll on to the telegraph now with a nowthis one. female uis, you'll on to the telegraph now with a nowthis one. female mpsou'll on to the telegraph now with a nowthis one. female mps yeah, like this one. female mps yeah, well, this is, this is half of all tory candidates should be women, says party chairman of the tories . what's wrong with the tories. what's wrong with that? half of the population are women. it should but maybe women. it should be, but maybe half to it. half doesn't want to do it. maybe don't want do it maybe they don't want to do it like. be plumbers and like. like be plumbers and tilers and painters. they don't want all, half of want to do half of all, half of all plumbers should women all plumbers should be women too. all, know , too. half of all, you know, construction should be construction workers should be women. they should be forced them to do force them to go them to do it, force them to go up, force them to go up to alaska and be on the pipeline at —30. i wasn't actually suggesting we should force —30. i wasn't actually suggestiwell,e should force —30. i wasn't actually suggestiwell, how uld force —30. i wasn't actually suggestiwell, how else)rce —30. i wasn't actually suggestiwell, how else ise —30. i wasn't actually suggestiwell, how else is it anyone. well, how else is it going be achieved? this is going to be achieved? this is this is not the case, this is this is not the case, nicholas, that the fact that we don't have, i think something like 99% of oil drillers in the north sea are male. isn't that just systemic misogyny? >> that's a proverbial counterargument. and i love that. you know, i used to be i

used work for the bbc before used to work for the bbc before i safety and i traded that safety and security for the honour to be next to louis schaefer. oh, you . and they had this policy, i think they are still religiously following this policy. 5050 try to get 50% of the people as interviewees, panellists , women interviewees, panellists, women and i was in the world service and i was in the world service and believe me, when you are broadcasting to the middle east in persian, arabic , in urdu, in persian, in arabic, in urdu, the of women are the number of women who are experts know, mining , experts of, you know, mining, oil and gas, energy, it's quite thin. and the funny thing is that they say that you have the, you know, doctrine go for 5050 and then there's a caveat. but remember , always the most remember, always the most qualified person gets on air. so how do you do that? i mean, wouldn't wouldn't that be enough on own? on its own? >> let's be realistic about >> but let's be realistic about this as you know, there this insofar as you know, there are good reasons sort of are good reasons just sort of biological why men do biological reasons why men do more menial work. they're stronger. physically stronger. they're physically stronger. they're physically stronger. cetera. when it stronger. et cetera. when it comes to politics, mean, there comes to politics, i mean, there really a reason why women really isn't a reason why women wouldn't into wouldn't want to get into politics. surely because it is about the representation of

everyone, being, everyone, every human being, everyone, every human being, every and, you know, we every citizen. and, you know, we live you are live in a society no, you are wrong. being in politics wrong. i mean, being in politics is is a horrible game . it's is a is a horrible game. it's really nasty. you think it's a more ? i've seen it. more masculine? i've seen it. i've my own little i've seen it in my own little borough of southwark and i've seen the seen how nasty people are to the councillors it's usually me councillors and it's usually me . you wouldn't you . it's like, you wouldn't you wouldn't be put that wouldn't want to be put on that thing. and to take a thing. and i'm going to take a while. we're on the air and this little you said a lot of little subject you said a lot of women don't want to do the menial the menial work. i think that's the word. what i mean is the word. well, what i mean is the you better apologise to it because now, my because because right now, my bathroom fixed and it bathroom is being fixed and it is hardly menial work. it's tough. yeah, it is really tough. i think women can do whatever men can do. obviously no, they can't do whatever they don't want it. they don't want want to do it. they don't want to those jobs, which why want to do it. they don't want to doyse jobs, which why want to do it. they don't want to doysejnthink'hich why want to do it. they don't want to doyse jnthink doh why want to do it. they don't want to doyse jnthink do you why they. do you think do you remember harriet harman remember when harriet harman had her campaign try and her pink bus campaign to try and lure more women into politics? i thought was quite sexist. thought that was quite sexist. i thought that was quite sexist. i thought quite thought that was quite patronising. around patronising. drive around in a pink women respond pink bus as though women respond to pink. the ultimate to the colour pink. the ultimate cliche. was cliche. yeah, i thought it was absolutely mad. anyway, we're going now to this going to move on now to this story. saturday's times

story. this is saturday's times and, well, apparently women want the same right as men to get wasted . wasted. >> well, it's pretty much in the same , equality. is it same vein, equality. but is it equality or equity or just an obsession ? you know, women only obsession? you know, women only club demands drinking parity with basically . this is with men, basically. this is reputed to be the only traditional members club in london dedicated to women. one of those exclusive clubs in mayfair . and they have of those exclusive clubs in mayfair. and they have a ban . mayfair. and they have a ban. imagine the injustice the patriarch . these ladies cannot patriarch. these ladies cannot buy alcohol from 7 am. to 1 am. and who drinks at that time ? i mean, if you if you need alcohol at that time, you should. you should. >> so this the university >> so this is the university women's club. what they're saying well, i mean, saying is that. well, i mean, but this is not no brainer, but this is not a no brainer, isn't it? if men the isn't it? if the men if the gentlemen's to gentlemen's clubs are allowed to dnnk gentlemen's clubs are allowed to drink all the way through the night, shouldn't women's night, why shouldn't the women's clubs should clubs be? well, it is it should be brainer. but it's not a be a no brainer. but it's not a no brainer. it's just how happens men's clubs ask happens that the men's clubs ask for a time and for this a long time ago and these people are just getting around ask, oh, so he just around to ask, oh, so he just takes application process. takes the application process. it's they it's like they asked. they

haven't asked it's like they asked. they haviti't asked it's like they asked. they havit until asked it's like they asked. they havit until recently. asked it's like they asked. they havit until recently. secondly, ed for it until recently. secondly, this club is in mayfair. it's in a very residential area. a lot of those men's clubs are on the pall pall mall, pell mell . pall pall mall, pell mell. there's some in mayfair, there are some in mayfair, but a lot of them are like they're, they're in like business areas. so these women, the local neighbours are just complaining and they're looking for an excuse. the women's only club, apparently they want to have parties as well. yeah. okay. all right. we're going to move on now to the times. bad news from the usa, from your of the the usa, from your neck of the woods. seattle. yes. woods. lewis seattle. yes. bodies in seattle. bodies pile up in seattle. hardly call it neck the hardly call it my neck of the woods is america . you woods in seattle is america. you know mean? escalates as know what i mean? escalates as police i don't police numbers fall. and i don't you know what? this this is. so they're basically saying that that murder ers are in that murder ers are up in seattle . i mean, they're very seattle. i mean, they're very high statistics . this article. high statistics. this article. i mean i'm quite astonished by i'm not because because not astonished because because seattle maybe i don't know how many millions of people are in seattle. a million, 2 million. and was there was and there was only there was only 57 homicides at one time.

so this year. far this so far this year. so far this yean so far this year. so far this year, we're october , a year, we're in october, a september. and is that quite good then? good for seattle then? well, i know is like in new know what it is like in new york. york, the york. in new york, during the high were 2300 high time there were 2300 murders. okay okay. so this murders. wow. okay okay. so this is a lot for them, but it's not a lot. and they blame it on close to their record. >> yeah, but i mean, what's interesting about this article is about interesting about this article is seattle about interesting about this article is seattle particularout how seattle in particular followed the defund the police idea . idea. >> and it's talking here about how this is obviously in the wake of the death of george floyd. seattle lost 600 officers in the three years subsequent to that right. yeah. and then there's crime . i don't have there's more crime. i don't have to be a genius to work out what's happening. well, not necessary , really. i mean, if necessary, really. i mean, if there better times, there there were better times, there might have been. it's right now there's. a lot of there's. there's a lot of there's. there's a lot of there's a lot of migrants in the cities. these cities are crumbling basically , from what i crumbling basically, from what i know. but they're going to bring nicholas in now because i think louis has spoken too much and i'm getting this. i'm getting tired of this. >> no, no >> all right. no, no, no worries. i agree with most of what said. also in the us,

what he said. also in the us, it's not my country. i know you have concept the have the concept of the sanctuary have sanctuary city, so you have a lot of these run lot of these cities run by democrats, by the left, and democrats, run by the left, and thatis democrats, run by the left, and that is also demoralising for the because they they the police because they they fail refuse to prosecute fail or they refuse to prosecute these people even when they are arrested . so you have criminals arrested. so you have criminals coming from other areas in the us to places like portland, california, case california, in this case seattle, because they know they won't prosecuted. exactly won't get prosecuted. exactly >> think that's probably >> i think that's probably right. to right. okay. well, we're to going the mirror. going move on now to the mirror. this weather news next, this is some weather news next, is it time to get the winter gear out? >> yeah, i'd like to. you know , >> yeah, i'd like to. you know, my kurtz would have my friend leo kurtz would have said, what happened said, you know, what happened to that warming and, you that global warming and, you know, net zero fans or the know, the net zero fans or the climate alarmists would say no, but weather is not but it's weather, weather is not climate. but wasn't extreme weather of climate change? >> well, the headline temperature across uk could plummet gulf plummet as terrifying gulf stream warning issued. so what do you make of this? >> so gulf stream essentially is this stream of water that comes from the tip tip tip of florida across atlantic all the way to europe. and apparently it's

responsive for most of the average temperatures we get across uk or maybe also in across the uk or maybe also in europe. say over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past say over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past 40 say over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past 40 years, say over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past 40 years, it say over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past 40 years, it hasr over across the uk or maybe also in eur(past 40 years, it has become the past 40 years, it has become 4% slower and that might eventually lead to a drop of up to ten degrees celsius in the temperatures. so there's going to get cold. why exactly? it's going to get colder in the uk. >> exactly. you've you >> exactly. lewis you've had you complain the country complain about the country a lot, but you're going to complain it's getting lot, but you're going to complai| it's getting lot, but you're going to complai mean, it's getting lot, but you're going to complai mean, reason etting lot, but you're going to complai mean, reason whyg colder. i mean, the reason why we're here, why there's a country because of the we're here, why there's a col stream, because of the we're here, why there's a c0lstream, because|use of the we're here, why there's a c0lstream, because we'ref the we're here, why there's a c0lstream, because we're atle we're here, why there's a c0lstream, because we're at the jet stream, because we're at the same the same longitude or same we're the same longitude or latitude. one of those other two. well, given that those are precise opposites, you better get this one right. i'm just saying remember saying i don't i don't remember which is. but we're which one it is. but we're right. we're right at labrador, which yeah, which is freezing. yeah, we're right . we're right at yellowknife. we're we're at moscow. so so the we're right at moscow. so so the fact is, is that they're not blaming it on climate change yet, but they will. will they indeed , team world. it will be indeed, team world. it will be them won't it. well, it is them they're using they're using climate change as a tool for

global domination. there we go . global domination. there we go. i knew get there i knew we'd get there eventually. yeah okay. eventually. yeah louis okay. thatis eventually. yeah louis okay. that is all for part three. but coming up in the final section, we've got evil vegetables, lab meat, and justice for two

welcome back to headliners. your first look at saturday's newspapers. we're going to kick off this section with the mail. this is a very big story today

about tupac shakur, nicholas, what's going on? >> suspect khalife d 60, is arrested in connection with tupac murder . basically, this tupac murder. basically, this was a murder that happened in 1996. and to this day, i always thought it was a big mystery as to who actually did it. even some comedians like, i don't know if it was patrice o'neal or dave chappelle joked about it, like, what would it take you guys to arrest him? he was killed in broad daylight. yes. and so on. and so forth. now, a person has been arrested in charge with this murder . and i charge with this murder. and i don't want to alienate those fans of gb news who are also a hip hop fans , kind of a niche hip hop fans, kind of a niche audience. this was my understanding is that this was one of those sort of east coast, west coast conflicts. >> my knowledge of this is very limited, probably some sort of gang rival was involved, but the more fascinating aspect is that the person who has been arrested already published a memoir in

which he admitted it. >> he admitted he was in the car, and then he said that in 2010, he apparently had a talk with the officials and was promised that the case would be dropped against him in return for him helping them in the investigation. this is a bit i know there's a lot of bravado within within sort of gangster communities , but i mean, communities, but i mean, boasting about it and not getting arrested is about time, isn't it? >> they call this self snitching , self snitching, self snitching , snitching. >> that's street cred . >> that's street cred. >> that's street cred. >> that's street cred. >> that's a little bit street cred. i got that from a youtube video i've been watching and it's a bit of a tragic story because the guy's like my age . because the guy's like my age. you tupac? no, this guy suspect keith d o'keefe, 60 now and this happened so long ago. he was like a kid when it happened. he's probably made he's probably been still to for been you still have to pay for your crimes, louis. so it's not as though you can just, you know, hoping i'm know, well, i'm hoping i'm hoping with this hoping i can get away with this stuff did. you know, your stuff that i did. you know, your stuff that i did. you know, your

stuff unforgivable. stuff is unforgivable. there's a there's in hell there's a whole circle in hell at end of the day. hey, at at the end of the day. hey, at the end of day , it's about the end of the day, it's about time. you know? it's about time. i already made that point, louis. yeah, okay. you just said it in a more ponderous way because i didn't my because i didn't steal my thunder. because i. because i don't. think i know about don't. do you think i know about tupac? imagine if i knew about this of this stuff. it'd be kind of like i that myself every day. i say that to myself every day. yeah, let's move to yeah, right. let's move on to the story about the mail now and a story about men important. louis yes. men being important. louis yes. well, is not a team world well, this is not a team world stuff. this is a team local stuff. this is a team local stuff. it's team family. and why a family is so important. a family meal is so important. children eat dinner without children who eat dinner without their dads are unhappy. or even if is there, study finds and if mom is there, study finds and this is this is one of those stories , stories that is just an stories, stories that is just an association story. it's like a coral correlation association related risk of relationship up unked related risk of relationship up linked to it just says that the children who spend time with their dads over meal turn out to be nicer children. nicholas this isn't going to surprise you. it's a study by the journal of

family psychology they found. but a lot of people say, but this is obvious, isn't it? >> yeah, this is obvious. but so often men , fathers and family as often men, fathers and family as an institution has been undermined. don't don't forget we have this lifestyle or phenomenon called single mothers by choice or by choice. i underline i mean, because if you've lost your husband or he was a jerk and left you all my sympathies for you. if you're raising your well, if you murder a less sympathy. but a bit, a bit less sympathy. but if raising your on if you're raising your kids on your and credit your own, it's hard. and credit to you but single mothers by choice, people saying, no, i can be both the father and the mother. this study says it loud and clear. people kids need dads and clear. people kids need dads and need to be eating with dads. >> well, it depends what type of dads you have. i mean, like a loving single parent family is going to be preferable to a heterosexual couple who are actually quite vile their actually quite vile to their children. the children. well this is the people who are the fathers who are having dinner with their their fathers probably their family fathers probably not that they're good fathers and hammers at the

and don't throw hammers at the kids. i know this kids. probably. and i know this from experience, they probably have happy maybe they're have happy wives. maybe they're making of money. maybe making lots of money. maybe they're lovers. they they're good lovers. they there's other factors . there's so many other factors. when you have unhappy mother when you have an unhappy mother , they're probably not going to have the father . have dinner with the father. right. okay. i know that right. okay. so and i know that from that from experience, since that sounded talking sounded like you were talking about there, because about yourself there, because i hear a tremendous hear that you are a tremendous lover. a tremendous lover. lover. i am a tremendous lover. everyone about it . anyway, everyone talks about it. anyway, i've left lewis schaefer speechless. that was my goal for tonight. the express next, ladies. takers ? nicholas? so ladies. any takers? nicholas? so what's this one? oh, no, we've moved on from family meal. oh, goodness . vegetables. i want to goodness. vegetables. i want to give this to you. i don't want lewis to take this one, but i feel like i'm threading onto his territory. >> we're talking about food and vegetables, but let me hear what you have to say. >> okay. what's the headline on three vegetables shown to make you middle age? you fat in the middle age? >> according to you fat in the middle age? >> studies. according to you fat in the middle age? >> studies. so according to you fat in the middle age? >> studies. so basically,ng to new studies. so basically, there's vegetables and vegetables according this vegetables according to this study, harvard, t.h. chan school of public health, the three culprits are potatoes, peas and

sweet corns. apparently, they are the so—called starchy. starchy. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> as opposed to the more virtuous ones which are broccoli, carrots and spinach . broccoli, carrots and spinach. i'm going to make a i'm going to tell my wife, my vegetarian wife about this without mentioning which vegetables . so anyway, which vegetables. so anyway, whatever cooks, those are whatever she cooks, those are going to be the three bad vegetables, this just obvious? >> i mean, for a start, potatoes are carbohydrates. carbohydrate >> i mean, for a start, potatoes are carright,'ates. carbohydrate >> i mean, for a start, potatoes are carright, right. arbohydrate >> i mean, for a start, potatoes are carright, right. and hydrate >> i mean, for a start, potatoes are carright, right. and you ate heavy. right, right. and you know, of course, we know know, and of course, we know that broccoli, carrots and spinach are to going far spinach are to going have far less calories than peas and less calories than than peas and legumes kind thing. legumes and that kind of thing. so is it? so this isn't surprising, is it? no, isn't . and anytime first no, it isn't. and anytime first of anytime of all, anytime you see something coming out of the harvard t.h. chan school of pubuc harvard t.h. chan school of public health, you know, it's wrong that it's unbelievable. i'm afraid i don't agree with that. lewis well, i'm telling you, i think they know a bit more about than you do this more about it than you do this because this is an observational study. epidemiology . it's study. it's epidemiology. it's the form of research , the lowest form of research, which i would have thought you would agree with this. you hate carbohydrates. do do. but carbohydrates. i do. i do. but what they're trying to show is

they're to that they're trying to show that maybe some bad maybe there is some bad vegetables, but basically vegetables, but basically vegetables are good, like broccoli is good. broccoli is low carb, but it's high toxicity . it's got some stuff in it. you hate vegetables. i do hate vegetables. what happened to you as a child? did someone throw a sort of turnip at your head or something? well, maybe. maybe it was something. green grocers are coming i don't want coming after us. i don't want to. maybe something bad happened coming after us. i don't want to. majcucumbeming bad happened with a cucumber. >> cancelled by the >> envisage cancelled by the green lobby. green grocers lobby. >> vegetables are either inherently toxic or they are high starch as as nico says. okay, well, look , you know, okay, well, look, you know, louis, i'm just going to throw you a bone here and give you a meat story from the telegraph . meat story from the telegraph. yeah, this is not a meat story . yeah, this is not a meat story. this is uk to fast track approval for lab grown meat with israeli deal. they said they make a deal to like to have some kind of they're going to make the thing in israel because israel own grow israel grow their own meat grow their you cannot their own meat but you cannot grow own because grow your own meat because meat is not just muscle. it's a

combination of the sinew and the blood vessels and it's lots of other things. but isn't this quite good, like for the for the developing world? are developing world? people are hungry. isn't hungry. we know it isn't good because the most because a cow is the most efficient form of meat of food production. they eat production. they can eat practically anything , including practically anything, including soybean leaves, whatever stems, and they become this . this is a and they become this. this is a story because because the guy guy the guy went to israel and he said, i was in israel and i tasted the first synthetic chicken. okay now, did it say what it tastes like? which is the number one question. no, he didn't say what it tasted like. it probably tasted horrible. okay. the case? no, okay. is that the case? no, because very quickly, the lab grown would be as good. >> if it's safe and if it takes away the cruelty factor , i think away the cruelty factor, i think it's a win. oh, okay. >> yeah. louis hasn't even >> yeah. well, louis hasn't even considered the considered the cruelty. the cruelty factor. there's no cruelty. animals cruelty. listen, all animals die. have a field, die. and if you have a field, you combine harvester. you use the combine harvester. it kills the mice and the rabbits and the voles, and then they die. and their little babies are left without a mother and to death by birds

and are eaten to death by birds . so on that lovely note , we've . so on that lovely note, we've got to end the show. veganism are. vegans are. louis, let's have another look the front have another look at the front cover of saturday's newspapers. have another look at the front cover going urday's newspapers. have another look at the front cover going to ay's newspapers. have another look at the front cover going to start1ewspapers. have another look at the front cover going to start dailyapers. have another look at the front cover going to start daily mail. we're going to start daily mail has poll shows rishi on the path to victory. the telegraph is leading with braverman refuses talks welby migration talks with welby over migration . the mirror has a school bus in horror. the times has. we can't let tax rises go on forever, says hunt. the express has tories declare war on motor motorists is over and the daily star something about how brits like pineapple on their pizza . like pineapple on their pizza. that's it for tonight's show. thank you to lewis schaffer, nicholas de santo. headliners is back tomorrow steve n allen back tomorrow with steve n allen in the host's chair and if you're watching the 5 am, repeat right moment, then repeat right at the moment, then please because it's

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