me in the next hour joining me in the next hour broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour adviser matthew lhasa. now, before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. hello, good afternoon from the gb newsroom. >> i'm tamsin roberts. it's 3:00. the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the wirral yesterday has been named as stephen shrimpton . the 40 as stephen shrimpton. the 40 year old's family says the father of two suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute, describing him as a loving husband and father . 15 year old husband and father. 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital , including a taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy whose injuries are said to be life changing. the pupils were on their way to calday grange and west kirby grammar schools when their bus overturned on the m53 after colliding with a car. overturned on the m53 after

colliding with a car . dozens of colliding with a car. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes . an increase in overall taxes. former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises . putting pressure on rishi rises. putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt has told the times he wants to stop the vicious cycle of ever rising taxes , but ruled out tax rising taxes, but ruled out tax cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who's organised the pledge , says who's organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word and all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised, that is why this tax pledge is different. >> it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people

that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> the prime minister says he's slamming the brakes on the war on motorists . rishi sunak, who on motorists. rishi sunak, who is expected to address the issue this week, told the sun that harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones were being forced on drivers . the department for drivers. the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england. local councils in england also face a clampdown on using traffic offences to boost their budgets as a convicted child rapist said to be a high risk sex offender is wanted by lancashire police. the force says 35 year old steven pennington presents a real risk to children and women. he failed to comply with licence conditions and being recalled to prison. he has links to blackburn, blackpool and wigan . blackburn, blackpool and wigan. police are asking anyone who sees him or knows his

whereabouts to contact them . the whereabouts to contact them. the transport secretary says today's strike by train drivers is clearly political and planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england have walked out in a long running dispute over pay, jobs and conditions in many parts of the country. will have no services and those that do run will finish earlier than usual. do run will finish earlier than usual . mark harper says the usual. mark harper says the current offer on the table is reasonable . reasonable. >> while it's clearly a political strike timed to coincide with the conservative party conference, you don't have to think very carefully to see that's the case. look, there's a fair offer on the table. train drivers get paid an average salary of £60,000 for a full day, 35 hour week. the pay rise that's on the table that they won't put to their members would take that average salary to £65,000 a year. now look, i think most of your viewers will will look at that and think that is actually quite fair and reasonable . reasonable. >> aslef's general secretary mick whelan accused the

transport secretary of not negotiating , saying , well, it's negotiating, saying, well, it's not political, it's industrial . not political, it's industrial. >> mr harper and his cronies for the last 16 months have been accusing us of attacking all sorts of events on strike days, which done because we which we haven't done because we haven't mr harper. haven't seen mr harper. we decided point today. decided to make a point today. where's wally? where's mark? come us. we are striking come and see us. we are striking today to get the attention of the tory and the the tory party and the government resolve this government to resolve this dispute . dispute. >> two people have been injured after involving the after a crash involving the flying scotsman and the train was involved in a slow speed collision with another heritage train just hours before visitors were due to board it at aviemore station. the national railway museum says a shunting incident happened whilst the steam train was being coupled with the royal scotsman train carriages . this scotsman train carriages. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to nana.

>> good afternoon. it's just coming up to six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and what a mucky week it's been.in akua and what a mucky week it's been. in particular for gp news. let's get the elephant out of the room. the floodgates were opened this week after an exchange on dan wootton tonight. it's been widely and rightly condemned . not our finest moment condemned. not our finest moment and it was open season against us. we were lambasted by all corners of the media. >> i think there is a delicate and important point broadcast ecology in this country. >> i think , you know, gb news is >> i think, you know, gb news is trying to bust that ecology and frankly , what ofcom should do is frankly, what ofcom should do is shut it down like it shut down. >> rt hang on a minute, what about balance ? so whilst they about balance? so whilst they were all laying into gb news on that debate, who by the way, suspended those involved immediately, i.e. there was no one there to put fonnard a case for gb news in my view,

breaching ofcom rules of due impartiality committee. instead, there were calls for the channel to be shut down, which is odd really, because some of the sheer hypocrisy. nobody called for to be shut down for the bbc to be shut down after the bashir or joe after the bashir affair or joe brown's comments regarding battery acid at nigel farage. moorstone was supports the comments . the reaction is comments. the reaction is somewhat overkill . in an email somewhat overkill. in an email to gb news presenter and conservative mp philip davies, newsnight editor stuart mclean admitted that the discussion could have been fuller and more balanced had the bbc found someone to robustly defend the channel so why the rabid attack on gb news? because we're a threat. after our triumphant figures the previous week, gb news is a serious player and they know it. we're not going anywhere . we got the tragic news anywhere. we got the tragic news of yet another promising young life lost to knife crime. sadiq khan posted this letter to the family . it read. khan posted this letter to the family. it read. i'm khan posted this letter to the family . it read. i'm absolutely family. it read. i'm absolutely heartbroken by the death of a 15 year old girl in croydon this

morning. my thoughts and prayers are with this young girl's family and friends and the whole community unimaginably community at this unimaginably awful time . an arrest has been awful time. an arrest has been made in connection with this incident, and i'm in close contact with the met commissioner. urge anyone with commissioner. i urge anyone with any information call any further information to call the police or on 101 or crime stoppers anonymously , i promise stoppers anonymously, i promise to continue working day and night to end the scourge of knife crime in our. city night to end the scourge of knife crime in our . city now, knife crime in our. city now, perhaps , mayor khan, you'll perhaps, mayor khan, you'll repurpose your ulez cameras to fight crime . i'm keir starmer fight crime. i'm keir starmer turned on private schools on the policy in his own little thing, he did a u—turn. he's still going to charge the business rates in 20% vat. but the charitable status will be returned if he. what's the point of that talk about robbing peter to pay paul? his lead is cascading , which to pay paul? his lead is cascading, which is to pay paul? his lead is cascading , which is interesting. cascading, which is interesting. rishi sunak , on the other hand, rishi sunak, on the other hand, is getting tough on the war

against the motorist. the bounce back in the polls after softening his net zero stance on petrol and diesel cars has put a spnng petrol and diesel cars has put a spring in his very short steps. he's now onto ltns and the 20 mph speed limit. is this too little too late ? we'll see. it's little too late? we'll see. it's been a mucky old week . so coming been a mucky old week. so coming up this hour, comedian frances foster will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. and here's what else is coming up in this hour. at 320, it's climate controlled. a state of emergency has been declared york city as declared in new york city as heavy has caused life heavy rain has caused life threatening floods throughout at 335, asian elephant. 335, save the asian elephant. ceo duncan mcnair will be live in the studio. he's to going give an update on the give us an update on the campaign in moving international. got an international. he's got an international. he's got an international bill now which has received royal assent. then on live for political spotlight , live for political spotlight, howard cox, reform candidate for the london mayor, will be my political spotlight this week from ulez and building houses to

cutting crime . he's got a plan cutting crime. he's got a plan for it. all that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views at gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news as . so just gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news as. so just coming up to ten minutes after 3:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome. i'm nana akua. joining me now is comedian frances foster to mark the week france. it's been messy this hasn't it? the week france. it's been messy thisjust hasn't it? the week france. it's been messy thisjust a hasn't it? the week france. it's been messy thisjust a littlet it? the week france. it's been messy thisjust a little bit? the week france. it's been messy thisjust a little bit nana just >> just a little bit nana just a little bit. >> well, okay, let's look at this. a lot of people had a go at news. yep. i was myself at gb news. yep. i was myself speaking newscast where they speaking to newscast where they went and on and on and on went on and on and on and on about due impartiality, which i actually explain. actually felt i had to explain. yeah, but did you notice in a lot of the stuff that literally wasn't at all? lot of the stuff that literally wasno, at all? lot of the stuff that literally wasno, there all? lot of the stuff that literally wasno, there wasn't any at all. >> no, there wasn't any at all. it was very interesting watching the we have a debate on the bbc. we have a debate on newsnight of the newsnight where three of the three people taking part and the chair were all pro taking gb news off air. and let's actually

look at what they why they want gb news taken off air because laurence fox made distasteful and somewhat people, some people would argue , misogynistic would argue, misogynistic comments yet that comes barely a week and a half after the russell brand allegations, which were incredibly serious when one of them was that they used bbc cars to go and pick up a 16 year old girl from her school and then transport her to russell's flat. allegations may i add that to me is far more serious. if you look at all the bbc news presenters that have been involved or allegedly involved involved or allegedly involved in horrific behaviour , including in horrific behaviour, including crimes like paedophilia , no one crimes like paedophilia, no one ever mentioned that we should shut down the bbc. no one ever mentioned, hey look, we should defund them. they were criticised and rightly so. yet somebody comes on and says nasty words about a fellow journalist and we're going to defund and take the entire channel off air. to me that is a sign that there's something else going on.

>> it does seem a bit odd. and i mean, i'd like to say that obviously the bbc aren't here to defend themselves, but some of the things that you said, i mean, unfortunately those things happened. it. and happened. so yes, about it. and you situation with you had the situation with bashir well, where was you had the situation with bashi|sortwell, where was you had the situation with bashi|sort ofll, where was you had the situation with bashi|sort of forgerye was you had the situation with bashi|sort of forgery going was you had the situation with bashi|sort of forgery going onas some sort of forgery going on with statements to princess with the statements to princess diana that may well have diana and that may well have contributed to her agreeing to do interview. we found out do that interview. we found out that of that there was some sort of cover that. so it does cover up around that. so it does seem a little bit rich for these people all to descend itv people all to descend even itv descending on us. i mean, did you way they descended you see the way they descended on no, on michelle dewberry? no, i didn't way. didn't see the way. >> but but look, none of this surprises me, nana, because what you the mainstream you get in the mainstream media is opinion that is is you get one opinion that is all you get. and i made some very slightly to the left or slightly to right. and slightly to the right. and occasionally, know, they'll occasionally, you know, they'll we'll, we'll nigel we'll, they'll we'll nigel farage they'll treat him farage out and they'll treat him like savile, you know , like jimmy savile, you know, accused all these horrendous accused of all these horrendous crimes know he's crimes. you know he he's pro—brexit and he's right wing and they'll say he's a racist and they'll say he's a racist and fascist slightly to the and a fascist slightly to the right hitler and then that right of hitler and then that will be it. but the reality is

you are going to get one opinion on the mainstream team. that's it. what you get here. it. whereas what you get here. yeah. and this is something that is never spoken about and it's very important and i just want to make clear that i come on and do gb news once a week. i am not a regular commentator here, but you aaron bastani, who is so you get aaron bastani, who is so left wing. bless aaron. i love him, but he's so far to the left, he's almost over the horizon. an you'll get people to the right, you'll get people in the right, you'll get people in the centre, get people, the centre, you'll get people, you know, a bit nutty you know, a little bit nutty maybe we say , and i think that maybe we say, and i think that is brilliant. is what is brilliant. that is what you want a broadcaster to want from a broadcaster to platform, a range of views , and platform, a range of views, and you are not going to get that in the bbc. and if they do bring someone on, it's because they want tear down, want to tear them down, mock them, them look stupid. but them, make them look stupid. but here's the thing. the reason they're doing it is because they're doing it is because they're terrified, because they are haemorrhaging viewers and listeners day after day after day. i do a monthly comedy night where i do new material along

with some people from headliners as well. there's a guy who comes in to watch my show once a month. he's a comedy producer, and we joke, i went, am i am i going to come on one of your shows? he laughed. he went, not a chance, mate, but he actually said something to me. he said, you know, those viewing you know, those those viewing numbers that put out, francis you know, those those viewing nwent, 's that put out, francis you know, those those viewing nwent, yeah. put out, francis you know, those those viewing nwent, yeah. he put out, francis you know, those those viewing nwent, yeah. he goes, ut, francis you know, those those viewing nwent, yeah. he goes, yourrancis you know, those those viewing nwent, yeah. he goes, you know, i went, yeah. he goes, you know, they're i go, yeah. he they're low. i go, yeah. he goes, actually lower goes, they're actually lower than been than that. they've been massaged. thing is massaged. the entire thing is crumbling. and think to crumbling. and they think to themselves, we themselves, hang on, if we destroy gb news, we're going to be able to hold on to our slice of the pie. it's over. it's done. no one cares. well, especially with the latest thing that going to allow some that they're going to allow some of biggest to be of their biggest stars to be able speak. able to speak. >> and have political >> now and have political statements. lineker, >> now and have political state tested . lineker, >> now and have political statetested it lineker, >> now and have political statetested it out lineker, >> now and have political statetested it out on lineker, >> now and have political statetested it out on wednesday who tested it out on wednesday and people like and let's and people like that. and let's be fair, gary lineker has been testing while. testing it out for a while. i mean, even when those were it was against the rules and now they've of incorporated they've sort of incorporated the rules. quite a sad rules. now, this is quite a sad story. poor, poor girl. i story. this poor, poor girl. i just so tragic. but the just it's so tragic. but the overall complexity knife overall complexity of knife crime with sadiq khan in

particular in london, it's all over the country by way. but over the country by the way. but there's real proper, distinct there's a real proper, distinct problem london. and he's put problem in london. and he's put all ulez cameras up, but all these ulez cameras up, but he's in that. he's happy to invest in that. but don't see doing very but i don't see him doing very much this. much about this. >> well, he invested millions in that make campaign and you just go yourself, where go to think to yourself, where is priorities? the is the priorities? where the ridiculousness of that campaign that you can stop misogyny by basically sounding like a like a cross between a lad and a sheep are going mate and all of a sudden that was going to stop, you know, misogyny , which as we you know, misogyny, which as we know is a problem within society . women do get treated badly by men. of course they do. but to focus on the story of this girl, it's horrendous . it's utterly it's horrendous. it's utterly appalling that this young woman on the cusp of adult life and a young woman who looked as if she was going to have a wonderful life, smart, bright, hardworking from a good family. and that has just been extinguished because somebody could not control their actions and their behaviour is

awful. it's utterly awful. we don't talk about it enough . we don't talk about it enough. we don't talk about it enough. we don't speak about it enough and we don't condemn it. and we focus on things that do not matter again and again , like matter again and again, like this mate campaign when really we should be having very hard and very serious conversations about knife crime in this city, because this affects all of us. and also our children. >> well well, we are this afternoon we'll have norman brennan in and we'll be talking in difficult conversations about that very thing. so make sure you stay with us for that. that should just after 5:00. and should be just after 5:00. and then, of course, let's kind of move keir he came move on to keir starmer. he came up move on to keir starmer. he came up this nonsense idea that up with this nonsense idea that the for the charitable status for private schools be removed. private schools will be removed. bear most private bear in mind, most private schools right? schools aren't eaten, right? >> the private so the >> so the private status so the charitable status, i actually don't have a problem with this, though, isn't it? however, however , if a school can justify however, if a school can justify its charitable status , then its charitable status, then that's fair enough. you know , if that's fair enough. you know, if they say, look, we do, we get this amount of money in, we

therefore do this amount for the local community, fine. you can have your charitable status where i have a problem with it is when schools have a charitable status and do little to nothing for the local community and do nothing to charity, to essentially justify their charitable status. >> i think you're right. then but but he's also said that he's going to charge them vat and business rates, which i think is astonishingly bad and foolhardy because they'll end up going to the state system. so he's going to ruin both education systems. >> well, this is it. look, i think and this is a conversation to be had. and i don't actually think and i'm former teacher think and i'm a former teacher and don't know why people and i don't know why people haven't i think haven't done this. and i think there's real gap in the market there's a real gap in the market for this. so if people are watching, please go out do watching, please go out and do this. there a real gap in the this. there is a real gap in the market for no frills private market for a no frills private school. you don't get the posh playing you don't get the playing field. you don't get the amazing it? amazing how can we put it? facilities but what you do get is a really good, rigorous academic education. 20 kids in the class, everyone is there to

learn. everybody wants to progress. everybody wants to achieve . and if you charge achieve. and if you charge a minimum amount for it, well, i don't know what the sum would be. you're going to have to do the maths. there is a lot of parents who would put money in their own pocket to send their kids that type of school. kids to that type of school. >> well, finally got about >> well, finally we've got about 30s and that zero is rishi doing the thing? ltn low traffic the right thing? ltn low traffic neighbourhoods, the right thing? ltn low traffic neigit0)urhoods, the right thing? ltn low traffic neigito going ds, the right thing? ltn low traffic neigito going 20 miles an hour. he's to going 20 miles an hour. >> nana like he >> it's almost nana like he wants to win the next election and we like to see that. frances yes, absolutely. and we like to see that. frances yes thank utely. and we like to see that. frances yes thank you(. and we like to see that. frances yes thank you very for >> thank you very much for joining me. you've got that fabulous trigonometry podcast. yes, fabulous trigonometry podcast. yes we fabulous trigonometry podcast. yeswe have a fabulous podcast >> we have a fabulous podcast and youtube channel, and we've got a very, very interesting interview with laurence fox where we give him how can i put it a fair hearing? but we do push back . so check that out. push back. so check that out. >> thank you very much, francis foster excellent. is gb foster excellent. this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. so just coming up to 19 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua still to come, political spotlight. and this by reform this week i'm joined by reform uk's mayor candidate for london,

howard cox, as he prepares to take on sadiq khan on the biggest issues divide biggest issues that divide londoners. but up next is climate control, the uk's biggest untapped oil field in the north sea has been given the green light. i'll be speaking to senior meteorologist jim dale and engineer brian cat and physicist engineer brian cat

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>> but is the church. >> good afternoon. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 23 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua now. the uk's biggest untapped oil field in the north sea . so it's time for climate sea. so it's time for climate control . was given the green control. was given the green light. this week. the approval of the rosebank oil field has, of the rosebank oilfield has, of the rosebank oilfield has, of course, faced widespread criticism from climate activists and environmental groups. but people who back the project, including rishi sunak, argue that it's an important step to weaning off foreign weaning ourselves off foreign imports and achieving energy security . now, this comes as new security. now, this comes as new york declares a state of emergency due to flooding with many quick to blame climate change extreme weather. change for the extreme weather. so i'm joined now by jim dale , so i'm joined now by jim dale, senior with the senior meteorologist with the british weather and british weather services. and bhan a british weather services. and brian a physicist and an brian cat, a physicist and an engineer . okay. so i'm brian cat, a physicist and an engineer. okay. so i'm going to start with you , jim dale. is start with you, jim dale. is there a problem with us using our own oil and gas? so drilling our own oil and gas? so drilling our own oil and gas? so drilling our own stuff, so surely saving transport costs and all sorts of things and reducing carbon emissions in terms of transport

at least you can't hear me. i'll go to brian cat. i'm going to start with brian cat. brian, you heard what i said. let's see what brian what brian cat thinks i'm sorry you're asking about you're asking about rosebank, right? so start with right? yeah. so start with rosebank, then talk to me about why it's a good or bad thing. >> the interesting thing >> well, the interesting thing is it's an insignificant thing. >> and i was very surprised when you to talk about it. you asked me to talk about it. >> it's 300 million barrels of oil, which is six months supply for the uk and about three days for the uk and about three days for the uk and about three days for the world. >> so what i would do with it is retain it as a strategic reserve to take us through any sort of problem, because that's all it is. months for the uk. we is. six months for the uk. we certainly be giving it certainly shouldn't be giving it to pump into to somebody else to pump into a tanker and ship elsewhere. in my view . view. >> so you think it's a good thing that we have it and we should keep it as a reserve, but actually we shouldn't really. we don't really need to use it because not going to because it's not going to provide us with much at all. six months though, a months is useful, though, in a blackout something like that,

blackout or something like that, isn't it could isn't it? well, it could be useful if it's done that way because there's a lot more to build a load of tanks to put it in. >> but the problem at the moment is the model the government is the model that the government has, and this is the same with with eventually get with when we eventually get around under around to fracking the gas under the should be treated the ground, it should be treated as a foreign reserve. sorry as a sovereign reserve, and we should pay sovereign reserve, and we should pay extracted. pay to have it extracted. and it's property of the it's still the property of the country, not of the oil companies. and haven't companies. and they haven't really way to really figured out a good way to do yet. we can't control do that yet. we can't control where and our oil goes out. >> what about what's going on in america? because we're hearing that it's because of climate change. that's what people are saying. yeah it's interesting. >> yeah, jim, jim's the weather man. and this is whether it's not not global climate to not it's not global climate to say that it's down to global climate change would be a nonsense . we do know for sure nonsense. we do know for sure the ipcc reports all tell us that extreme events are not at an unusual level, nor are they unusually intense . but there are unusually intense. but there are all sorts of reasons that this could there could be a

particularly warm and wet year. and one of them is hunga tonga's put 10% more water into the atmosphere. it just blew the ocean into the stratosphere . and ocean into the stratosphere. and we've got an el nino going on at the same time. so it's going to be naturally warmer air and thanks to the volcano, there's a lot of more water waiting to come back down again. so so, yeah, we may have some more than average rain when we do get extremes . the other extreme, extremes. the other extreme, which jim will tell you about, i'm sure, is that this was hurricane ida, which got very energetic over the gulf of mexico, made its way up through louisiana , and then it ran into louisiana, and then it ran into a stalled front and was pushed up, which meant it dumped a lot more rain than it would othennise have done. so it very was a very freakish special condition. so all of this is whether it's weather, it's whether it's weather, it's whether it's weather, it's whether it's going to have any effect on the 30 year figure. >> well, let's work backwards. let's start with what he said. he called it whether it's just whether it's not climate change, really, they always do.

>> all, i'd like >> first of all, i'd just like to say dress is great. to say your dress is great. lovely of green right lovely colour of green right down street. well done. down my street. so well done. okay. um right. the weather side of things. look this is exactly what climate deniers come up with every single time. every. every time an impact every time there's an impact event, an extreme event of which this was one of them. this was the. the second worst in since since ida. ida was obviously the first. this may actually supersede that. but what they tend to do is they don't join the dots. they don't see what is going on around the world time after time after time, what is going on in terms of the extremes. we were talking about derna only a few weeks ago in libya and before then, greece and then greece and then heat all over the world. in antarctica, the ice , though, the antarctica, the ice, though, the warmest that we've seen on record in other words, that the ice is going. so, look, you can't pin everything on weather. yes. you can't take one single event. even new york, that is

climate change per se. but when you start to join the dots, that's and there's enough of them. you start to see a picture and the picture is very, very clear. and it's backed by nasa. it's backed by noah, it's backed by the wmo. it's just not backed by the wmo. it's just not backed by brian. well, listen , i get by brian. well, listen, i get quite a lot of people messaging me with regard to some things that you say, jim. >> and one of my one of my viewers actually sent me this message. his name's les les mccann mackenzie, and he said that pakistan iran is prone to national natural disasters, including earthquakes and flooding, especially during the monsoon season , coupled with monsoon season, coupled with intensive farming land intensive farming and land clearing and lack of river management are prime elements in a low lying area. and he said that because last week he said, mr to use tragic mr dale, to use this tragic situation to be spread, doomsday is beyond belief . situation to be spread, doomsday is beyond belief. and he also mentioned about the libya situation as well . situation as well. >> yeah, he said libya for decades. >> sorry. very quickly he said libya for decades. a lovely country, really nice people. um

what did he say about that? yes, that was they used the flooding in libya as an example of climate change. this is completely incorrect. the two dams collapsed due to lack of improper maintenance facts and not assumptions. >> okay, so . so, look, one plus >> okay, so. so, look, one plus one two. so on its own . one equals two. so on its own. on its own, these these events , on its own, these these events, climate change will change. nothing unless there's people there, unless the infrastructure is poor, that type of thing. even new york, with its heavily concrete concreted area, etcetera . but that's where we etcetera. but that's where we live. that's how we are. so what climate change does is it adds to an extreme event, and that's exactly what we're saying . it's exactly what we're saying. it's not in isolation. you can't say thatis not in isolation. you can't say that is just climate change. it's an extreme event, an unusual event added to by climate change that leads to those very nice people in libya, which you did point out earlier, was some dams breaking, apparently. >> so there were some you know, some dams burst in libya, which caused a lot of the flooding. that's what i'm saying. i'm just saying that you even brought it

in just and i've just in just now. and i've just pointed out a fact behind the dams. sorry. say again , dams. sorry. say that again, brian. all the water was behind the dams there was a flash flood and the dams were already cracked. >> and they gave way. so brian, at one point, let , let, let at one point, let, let, let bhan at one point, let, let, let brian finish. >> let brian finish. go on, brian. i don't i don't need to. >> there was a heavy flood. it's very usual in the atlas mountains. that's why the wadis are there in the first place. and the design was stupid and badly maintained. what you need is, is culverts to divert water away. had the wadi running away. they had the wadi running straight through the middle of a city was just an accident city which was just an accident waiting happen. i don't waiting to happen. like, i don't know, or somewhere like that. >> yeah. as far as i'm aware, the atlas mountains are the other but never other side of africa, but never mind. just say 1.4in of mind. let's just say 1.4in of rain was measured as a six hour rainfall. 1.4. that's about half the annual rainfall that we see in this in the uk over the course of the year. so this was an extreme . they look, it's been

an extreme. they look, it's been shown the sciences have looked at this straight away said this is climate change topped it would not have happened with the two things in other words with the structure before and then and then the 1.4in of rainfall that happened in the first instance. so it's as i say, it's one plus one equals two. you get a disaster. >> this is painful . brian, last >> this is painful. brian, last word to you quickly . word to you quickly. >> well, the one thing that i said at the beginning, which he doesn't seem to listen to is that the ipcc, who are supposedly the experts at all this the one thing they have not been able to say for virtually all of the reports up to the sixth that they're currently running is the current one, is that there is no evidence significant evidence that there are more extreme events or that those extreme events are more extreme than they have been in the past. >> if anything, they're slightly less extreme. so just going to

an extreme event, sorry, this is an extreme event, sorry, this is a great. let me finish up as you go along. >> no, i'm not wrong. >> no, i'm not wrong. >> i'm not wrong. it's exactly what the ipcc report says. if you the scientific report. you go to the scientific report. >> dale, last word to you, >> jim dale, last word to you, because said it's so. because you said it's not so. i'll give you 20s. i've got to go to the news. >> this they know exactly what's going is brian i'm going on. brian is brian is i'm not going he's lying, but not going to say he's lying, but he's just misinforming basically ipcc he says. ipcc to not say what he says. just make this absolutely clear, guys. just just make this absolutely clear, guysthe just just make this absolutely clear, guysthe dots just just make this absolutely clear, guysthe dots around just just make this absolutely clear, guysthe dots around the just just make this absolutely clear, guysthe dots around the world. join the dots around the world. watch what's to go on in watch what's going to go on in the southern hemisphere this summer, and you'll summer, their summer and you'll see these dots being joined. >> all right. right, jim >> all right. all right, jim dale, thank you very much. jim, dale. >> you're welcome. >> you're welcome. >> jim senior >> jim dale, senior meteorologist, weather meteorologist, british weather services and also brian cat, physicist and engineer. that was climate . thank very climate control. thank you very much. thoughts ? much. what are your thoughts? this news on tv online and this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio on the way political spotlight. i'll be joined by uk's candidate joined by reform uk's candidate for howard cox, as for london mayor howard cox, as he prepares to take sadiq he prepares to take on sadiq khan upcoming london khan in the upcoming london election. first, let's get election. but first, let's get your latest with tamsin your latest news with tamsin

roberts . your latest news with tamsin roberts. nada. >> thanks very much. here are the headlines at 332. the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the m. 53 yesterday has been named as stephen shrimpton. the 40 year old's family says he suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute. describe him as a loving husband and father. 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital , including a 14 year to hospital, including a 14 year old boy who's injuries are said to be life changing . the pupils to be life changing. the pupils were on their way to cold grange and west kirby grammar schools on the wirral when their bus overturned after colliding with a car . dozens of conservative a car. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes . former prime in overall taxes. former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up along with seven former cabinet ministers the

promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises . putting pressure on rishi rises. putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference this , the prime party conference this, the prime minister says he's slamming the brakes on the war on motoring costs. rishi sunak, who is expected to address the issue this week, told the sun that harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones were being forced on drivers. the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . the blanket use in england. the transport secretary mark harper, says today's strike by train drivers is clearly political and planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england have walked out in a long running dispute over pay, jobs and conditions . long running dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. many parts of the country have no services and those that will be running will finish earlier than usual . will finish earlier than usual. well those are the headlines. and you can get more on all of

those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com now it's back to nana . back to nana. >> thank you, tamsin. coming up, it's political spotlight. i'll be speaking to reform uk's london mayoral candidate, howard cox . but first, next, london mayoral candidate, howard cox. but first, next, i'll london mayoral candidate, howard cox . but first, next, i'll be cox. but first, next, i'll be speaking to the ceo of save the asian elephants about his campaign to try and end abuse and brutality against these animals

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britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> hello. good afternoon. welcome back . this is gb news. welcome back. this is gb news. welcome back. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. don't forget as well you can stream us live on youtube. i'm nana akua. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 3:00. now, i've got to warn you . what? i'm i've got to warn you. what? i'm going show you these some of going to show you these some of you might find quite distressing because beautiful because i love these beautiful animals. of animals. they're elephants, of course. next story is course. now, this next story is a very story, but it's got a a very sad story, but it's got a lovely silver lining because duncan mcnair, who was here before he was the ceo of save the asian elephant, and his goal was to end brutal and reckless profiteering from them and the misery that that brings on that is brought on by tourism. now, he's witnessed baby elephants screaming and crying as they are beaten. so there's a very distressing image on screen. if you you know, if you're you know, because these are beautiful animals and they've basically been beaten and stabbed and sorts of things. stabbed and all sorts of things. so he's campaigned for the protection of them. and for this to in law for a

to be enshrined in law for a long time. and finally, he's had a breakthrough. the animals, low welfare activities abroad bill, which seeks to stop the sale and advertising of unethical activities involving these animals and animals abroad, was passed in the house of lords this month. so i'm pleased to say that duncan now joins me. duncan mcnair , well done. so duncan mcnair, well done. so you've been doing this for a long time. how have you long time. how long have you been well, since been campaigning? well, since i first baby elephant being first saw a baby elephant being beaten stabbed and beaten up and stabbed and screaming in front of its mother in india in 2014. >> so nine years ago. >> so nine years ago. >> and it's been a daily concern of mine actively pursuing the possibility of real change, both in this country and abroad ever since really every day since . since really every day since. >> so you have now you you had a bill. now this bill applies to all animals with vertebrae. is that what you said? >> that's right. so the new act as it now is, the animals, low welfare activities abroad act. its purpose is to operate a uk domestic ban on the advertising

and sale of access to any activities or venues abroad that brutalise any vertebrate species. so that includes, of course, elephants, but also so big cats and primates, dolphins , bears all the equine world, avians, marine , as long as avians, marine, as long as they're vertebrate . and many they're vertebrate. and many others, you know , bulls and others, you know, bulls and camels and ostriches, all of these are hideously brutalised somewhere, often many places in the world. >> what is the punishment then ? >> what is the punishment then? so. well, that's all very well. putting a law in place, getting it all done, that's great. but then somebody does it. then what? >> yeah. okay. well, that's a very good question. and of course, there will have to be political will and stay my organisation save the asian organisation, save the asian elephants is doing everything to ensure government who have ensure that government who have been good with this bill so far, they've been supportive latterly maintain that support going fonnard. this is an enabling act, which means it enables it effectively does require the

secretary of state to do things and what she must do is to draw up a list, we hope, a very long one of prohibited activities , one of prohibited activities, and she will do so based on consults with stakeholders. stay away and others on behalf of the animal welfare world and tourist companies who make money out of the abuse and so on. and she will hear evidence and submissions and those will be, i hope, considered properly by her and a long list drawn up all of those will be prohibited activities and if robust evidence is put fonnard that thatis evidence is put fonnard that that is happening, evidence is put fonnard that that is happening , then she that is happening, then she should be stopping them. what happens if these thousands of tour companies who are still operating this abusive tourism , operating this abusive tourism, fine, they will get a fine . it's fine, they will get a fine. it's nowhere near big enough, but that could change. but i want now to make a point because as the law is important in three real ways. one of them is it

affects any vertebrate species in the world and the victim of abuseif in the world and the victim of abuse if advertising. second. thirdly, it is a law that stands to be adopted by many different countries that also . so i'm countries that also. so i'm afraid, like ours, has an unscrupulous market in animal tourism, but but thirdly, and in a way, most importantly is it is a way, most importantly is it is a law that seeks to change pubuc a law that seeks to change public perception about animals and their use. we say it should no longer be socially acceptable to talk about having, for example , an elephant ride or example, an elephant ride or a selfie with a baby monkey or or sort of having a half drug declawed tiger slumped across your lap and so on, as if it's a joke or tourist fun and i'm a great believer as a practising lawyer myself in the power of lawyer myself in the power of law to really change social norms, to make people think differently. public awareness. we're grappling with a legacy of

decades of i'm afraid, concealment by those making money out of this. and we now need to rip away that mantle of concealment to display the awful truth. this law and the way that it will be talked about and the reason why there will be penalties on those who persist all help to raise that public awa reness. >> awareness. >> now, you told me that king charles usually because it takes a long time for something to become an act. yes, but he passed it very quickly. >> he did. it was extraordinary. on monday, 18th of on monday, the 18th of september, in the mid afternoon, the house of lords on third reading passed this . this bill reading passed this. this bill became a law subject to royal assent and i might add, it went through every stage of both the commons and lords unopposed ed no divisions and unamended . and no divisions and unamended. and that was a wonderful result . that was a wonderful result. >> so pleased they never agree on anything. no that's something. >> and we work very hard to try and cohere support for the bill. but then within a matter of 2 or

3 hours we heard that royal assent had been given by king charles. we were thrilled. we hope it's not just a coincidence that he really took a view about this and we know he has a great heart for these sorts of issues. >> he's been he's been watching heart for these sorts of issues. >> h hasn'ten he's been watching heart for these sorts of issues. >> h hasn't he?>'s been watching heart for these sorts of issues. >> h hasn't he? he'sen watching heart for these sorts of issues. >> h hasn't he? he's been|tching that, hasn't he? he's been keeping an eye on that. we he's obviously been observing what you've doing. knows you've been doing. so he knows you. probably don't you. he's probably well, i don't know but. know about him, but. >> hello, king charles, >> well, hello, king charles, your majesty. but. but i might watch. i certainly. i think there's in his family about there's talk in his family about elephants. we know that. and so we hope he has been watching it. we hope he knows and appreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis he knows and appreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis act knows and appreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis act standsand appreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis act stands for appreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis act stands for allpreciates we hope he has been watching it. we ithis act stands for all theiates that this act stands for all the abused species of the world who are commercially exploited . its are commercially exploited. its potential . many of these are on potential. many of these are on the brink of extirpation and briefly now, as a consumer wanting to go on a holiday and seeing some of the things that are being offered, how do how does the consumer check that the if they're going to get involved in any of these certain things going abroad, they're the going abroad, that they're the people aren't unscrupulous.

>> yes. people aren't unscrupulous. >> and they can often be misled by it presently by advertising as it presently stands. do well stands. what do they do? well one probably the single one of the probably the single key sort of litmus test is not to go on any holiday that permits direct contact with the animal. in other words, touching it, whether it's for riding selfies , cuddling it, washing selfies, cuddling it, washing it. all of those are terrible signs is of abuse. >> well, you have these we'll show people the things that these these are the awful instruments that are used daily on baby elephants and elephants throughout their lives . throughout their lives. >> they're called a bullhook. they're used to rip, tear, stab to terrify the elephant into submission . i've seen it all submission. i've seen it all happen. >> and you can see that what you saw haunted you. actually, i bet i can almost feel that you probably think about that poor little baby elephant and wonder what seen. what i've seen. >> well, well have died. >> well, it may well have died. i mean, we know many who have many half of those who go through this been killed. through this have been killed. and a big struggle now and we have a big struggle now against the travel industry. we are desperately of funds. are desperately short of funds. i real apologies for

i make no real apologies for asking people's generosity to help us on the brink of something very big. >> we are a charity where can they go to find out? >> well, if you can go to our website, peta.org. there are ways to help us by donating organs and in many other ways writing letters that we've put on and signing our petition and so on. we desperately need funds. we're so grateful for help save the asian elephant . help save the asian elephant. >> that's what it stands for. that's right. thank you so much, duncan. thank you very much. well you. thank well done. thank you. thank you. fabulous of is fabulous that, of course, is duncan mcnair. fantastic story. he's the ceo of save the asian elephants . i'm nana akua. if elephants. i'm nana akua. if you've just tuned in, it's just coming up to 47 minutes after 3:00. it's now time for this week's political spotlight. and joining light on joining me to shine a light on london is the reform london politics is the reform mayoral for london, mayoral candidate for london, howard cox . well, howard cox, howard cox. well, howard cox, there you are. thank you very much for joining there you are. thank you very much forjoining me. it's good to see you. it feels like you're miles away. you're miles away. but howard, anyway, so there's those things that we can talk

about today we've seen about today because we've seen loads developing . loads of things developing. first i want to talk first of all, i want to talk about a very sad story. now. this was a very tragic this poor girl. was stabbed in croydon girl. she was stabbed in croydon , which is very, very sad. and sadiq khan did put out a very moving letter. and people have suggested that he perhaps repurpose his ulez cameras to help to fight crime. what would you do in that situation? would you do in that situation? would you , if you were london mayor? you, if you were london mayor? >> well, certainly from the point obviously point of view, and obviously i my heartfelt goes out my heartfelt sympathy goes out as as you expect, it would as well as you expect, it would be the problem we have is that under sadiq khan knife crime has rocketed, as has a lot of other crime, particularly even minor crime. >> he calls it minor, but it isn't like shoplifting, all those sorts of things. >> we need to get on top of crime. >> and what we do need is more visible policing. >> that's the most important thing. yes, the camera idea is a good idea, but i don't think after the event, just seeing someone going to save someone stabbed is going to save the issue. >> no, not at all. it is >> no, no, not at all. it is concerning as well that the

whole sort of being whole issue of sort of being london seems like london mayor, it seems like quite a powerful position. and you focussed on fair you are very focussed on fair fuel because you are obviously in charge of that. what are your thoughts on rishi sunak's plans now with regard to low traffic neighbourhoods? ltn and 20 miles an hour? what is your take on that? >> well, he's come late to the party and the reason why he's come late to the party a years time. >> there's a general election. >> there's a general election. >> he knows there's 37 million drivers nana, which, you know, they all vote. >> and it's a simple of >> and it's a simple fact of life. this opportunistic, life. this is opportunistic, classic i've voted tory classic tory. i've voted tory for years of my life. for 50 years of my life. >> i'm 69 years of age and i believe the tories are just using this as an opportunity and they recognise i've been campaigning for long, long they recognise i've been campimanagedr long, long they recognise i've been campimanagedr getg, long they recognise i've been campimanagedr get fuelng they recognise i've been campimanagedr get fuel duty time, managed to get fuel duty frozen in 13 years, probably the longest that's been longest ever tax that's been frozen of a levy in the frozen in terms of a levy in the history of the treasury and history of, of the treasury and even the guardian yesterday had to choke. walker, the to choke. peter walker, the political actually political editor there, actually admitted i'm probably one of the political editor there, actually admiisuccessfulybably one of the political editor there, actually admiisuccessful lobbyists; of the political editor there, actually admiisuccessful lobbyists that'se most successful lobbyists that's ever been. >> but in your lobbying and >> but but in your lobbying and your obviously your efforts to

become mayor and become london mayor and obviously lot people don't obviously a lot of people don't want sidique seems like want sidique khan, it seems like a threat, he does a general threat, but he does somehow manage to get back in. is there not chance that is there not a chance that you're because you've you're running because you've got got suzanne got you you've got suzanne hall will actually end splitting will actually end up splitting the we'll end up with the vote and we'll end up with sadiq the vote and we'll end up with sacwell, i'm happy for susan to >> well, i'm happy for susan to be deputy. it's not a be my deputy. it's not a problem. she can drop down. i'm i'm to do that. i'm i'm happy to do that. i'm standing on principle now. standing on a principle now. >> a lot of heartfelt >> it took a lot of heartfelt thinking wife. thinking here with my wife. >> sat down. >> and i sat down. >> and i sat down. >> i was approached by richard tice and you know richard very well. >> he's on your channels now. >> he's on your channels now. >> he's on your channels now. >> he actually asked me how because of your campaigning. >> he actually asked me how becausibelieve r campaigning. >> he actually asked me how becausibelieve r carcan gning. >> he actually asked me how becausibelieve r carcan actually >> we believe you can actually be london mayor. be a great london mayor. >> it took me three months >> and it took me three months to make the decision. >> what i saw from from >> and i what i saw from from what sadiq khan has done to our city. >> city. m city. >> in mind, i'm the >> and bear in mind, i'm the only candidate done only candidate has actually done some analysis to some economic analysis to actually ulez policy actually what his ulez policy has to the gdp the of has done to the gdp of the of london. i'm telling you now, london. and i'm telling you now, it's cost £1 billion a year. that's and it's not even that's hardly and it's not even cleaning up the air. >> well, sadiq khan isn't of course to defend himself but course he to defend himself but but this is what he had to say

about spoke to our about ulez when he spoke to our political editor, christopher hope decision to expand the ultra low emission zone to all of london was a difficult one. >> it wasn't an easy one, but i think it's vital decision and it's the right one. let me tell you why we now know the evidence in relation to the consequences of air pollution , at least of air pollution, at least around 4000 premature deaths a year. yean >> it leads to children having stunted lungs forever. adults with a whole host of health issues from asthma to cancer to dementia to heart disease . dementia to heart disease. >> we also now know that one of the most effective ways to reduce air pollution is with us. >> how do we know that in central london we've seen a reduction of around 50% of toxicity with nitrogen dioxide as much as you laughed at that when he said toxic city and nitrous oxide, even though they were, you did all tell us to buy diesel cars. >> so that's one of the reasons. let me be honest. >> but he uses that thing about

4000 deaths. >> that's that actually >> that's that is actually a statistical construct. it's a modelling approach, which actually what we're seeing actually, 4000 deaths actually, yes, it's 4000 deaths from they from air pollution, how they measure costing us measure it, but it's costing us about of our life. about 13 minutes of our life. that's what it is. do they that's what it is. how do they predict that in a span of predict that in a life span of a human being is impossible? he uses emotion, he uses words, pollutants toxic. one pollutants and toxic. the one dunng pollutants and toxic. the one during period of actually during this period of actually the been in place. cars the ulez has been in place. cars have fuels, got have got cleaner fuels, got cleaner clean fuel cleaner, clean fuel technologies, better . if we technologies, got better. if we allowed clean fuel technology . allowed clean fuel technology. and rishi sunak has and guess what? rishi sunak has woken up and moved to 2030, banned to 2035, and i've been campaigning that for a long time to get dropped completely . if to get it dropped completely. if we clean fuel technology we allow clean fuel technology to by itself and to evolve by itself and incentivise, rather than forcing into transport our into one mode of transport our electric vehicles, i tell you what, all of it, everything, everyone would be happy. but no, sadiq khan is just using this as a cash grab. >> how will you be able to press against just say you against if they just say you become london i come become london mayor? when i come mbappe just say when you become london will you be london mayor, how will you be able push against the whole able to push against the whole movement towards electric cars? because points.

because there's charging points. there'll infrastructure, there'll be the infrastructure, things to have things that you're going to have to grips with even though to get to grips with even though you don't like it. >> like electric vehicles. >> no, i like electric vehicles. i charging points, but we i like charging points, but we shouldn't like i do. i've i like charging points, but we sho no n't like i do. i've i like charging points, but we sho no problem i do. i've i like charging points, but we sho no problem with i do. i've i like charging points, but we sho no problem with it.io. i've i like charging points, but we sho no problem with it. i. i've i like charging points, but we sho no problem with it. i drive got no problem with it. i drive a hybrid. i've got no problem with i'm with that whatsoever. i'm talking being forced talking about us being forced into of transport when into one mode of transport when there's there's fuel there's hydrogen, there's fuel catalysts. fuels. catalysts. it's synthetic fuels. all are all those sorts of things are here now hitting people here now without hitting people in and that's what in the pocket. and that's what both government and both the this government and also sadiq khan saw. they think aboutis also sadiq khan saw. they think about is their cash grabs and how we can get more out of drivers. okay. >> so one at london, mayor, >> so day one at london, mayor, what's thing you're what's the first thing you're going is get rid of the going to do is get rid of the whole of ulez. >> it's all going to go i'm going to go to the ulez department and right, department and say, right, switch computer. you're switch off your computer. you're not money from not collecting any money from here. not collecting any money from henyeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> are you going to put a >> what are you going to put a load of out of work? load of people out of work? >> well, no. well, we talk about actually contribute. it is bloated. i mean, transport actually contribute. it is blo london i mean, transport actually contribute. it is blo london isi mean, transport actually contribute. it is blo london is onelan, transport actually contribute. it is blo london is one of, transport actually contribute. it is blo london is one of the nsport actually contribute. it is blo london is one of the biggest for london is one of the biggest blobs ever imagine. blobs you could ever imagine. >> and about >> and what about the underground, are going underground, then? are you going to something with that? to do something with that? >> much so, indeed. you

>> very much so, indeed. as you know, i mean, i've actually got to whistleblowers me to whistleblowers who came to me who on the dust who actually they're on the dust removal they've to removal team and they've come to me and we're going to be publishing a lot about publishing a lot more about this. they're actually this. and they're actually breathing dust, breathing in asbestos dust, a chromium dust and even arsenic dust. >> well, we don't evidence >> well, we don't have evidence of of that right now. >> no, i've got the evidence. >> no, i've got the evidence. >> well, when we see the evidence, can make evidence, then you can make that claim. right don't claim. but right now, we don't have so i can't let you make have it. so i can't let you make that claim. okay well, i've got the happy the evidence, and i'm happy to you you got you when you. well, when you got this, will come back on. you this, you will come back on. you do the expose on my show. nobody else anybody else has done come to anybody else. back to my else. do you come back to my show? we'll blow the lid show? we'll we'll blow the lid out thing. right. out off this thing. all right. howard you very much. howard cox, thank you very much. really to he really good to talk to you. he is the reform candidate for london mayor. this is gb news on tv, digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. loads still come. i'll tv, online and on digital radio. loejoined still come. i'll tv, online and on digital radio. loejoined bystill come. i'll tv, online and on digital radio. loejoined by my come. i'll tv, online and on digital radio. loejoined by my amazing i'll tv, online and on digital radio. loejoined by my amazing panel, be joined by my amazing panel, lizzie matthew lizzie cundy and also matthew laterza. i've written laterza. and i've written a lovely i'm sure lovely monologue that i'm sure gary will love. all gary lineker will love. it's all about hypocrisy from bbc about the hypocrisy from the bbc as gary lineker and as they let gary lineker and people face people like carole watson face off hook with their new off the hook with their new social media policy. should a state owned or publicly funded

broadcaster actually be doing that of thing? we're paying that sort of thing? we're paying for it. surely we should have the last say. tuned. that the last say. stay tuned. that is way. next after your weather. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office . update from the met office. we'll mixed bag of weather we'll see a mixed bag of weather across over the next few across the uk over the next few days. and windy weather days. some wet and windy weather at times, equally warm at times, but equally some warm spells sunshine, too. we've spells of sunshine, too. we've got moving from spells of sunshine, too. we've got southwest moving from spells of sunshine, too. we've got southwest theving from spells of sunshine, too. we've got southwest the moment.m the southwest at the moment. that's the current band that's bringing the current band of and windy weather into of wet and windy weather into the north west of the uk. the north and west of the uk. and through and certainly as we head through the into the overnight the evening into the overnight period, of wet period, further outbreaks of wet and weather north and windy weather moving north and windy weather moving north and areas and eastwards across many areas , becoming mainly confined towards of towards the north—east of scotland hours of scotland into the early hours of sunday a trailing sunday and also a trailing weather front, bringing a band of to parts of wales, of heavy rain to parts of wales, north—west and the north north—west england and the north midlands in the clearer midlands too. in the clearer slots the south—east, slots towards the south—east, it's muggy it's a pretty warm and muggy night. lower night. temperatures no lower than 16 or 17 celsius in a few spots. a little bit fresher towards northeast towards the north and northeast . but as for sunday, well, we'll see way split. that band see a three way split. that band of continuing affect the of rain continuing to affect the central uk , central slice of the uk, northern england, parts of wales certainly seeing a few heavy

bursts that rain bursts of rain. that rain gradually we go gradually easing as we go through towards the through the day towards the south—east, brighter picture south—east, a brighter picture and and 1 or 2 showers and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers towards north and northwest and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers toythe s north and northwest and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers toythe sunshine:h and northwest and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers toythe sunshine in and northwest and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers toythe sunshine in the northwest in the sunshine in the south—east, temperatures doing very the time of year very well for the time of year into the low locally towards mid 2023 celsius. 24 is 75in 2023 or 24 celsius. 24 is 75in fahrenheit. and even towards the north, not bad at 17 or 18 degrees, that band of rain continues to affect that central slice of the uk on monday. if anything, pepping up for a time again. so further bursts anything, pepping up for a time agrain so further bursts anything, pepping up for a time agrain hereirther bursts anything, pepping up for a time agrain here atier bursts anything, pepping up for a time agrain here at times bursts anything, pepping up for a time agrain here at times again'sts of rain here at times again brighter towards the south—east and towards the and brighter towards the northwest. we into northwest. and as we head into tuesday and wednesday, it's a case sunshine and showers case of sunshine and showers and fairly in the sun. fairly warm in the sun. >> well, this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. stay tuned. i've got loads more to come . my stay tuned. i've got loads more to come. my monologue up stay tuned. i've got loads more to come . my monologue up next stay tuned. i've got loads more to come. my monologue up next in the next hour

>> join us every night on gb news at 11 pm. for headliners, which is three top comedians going through the next day's news stories , which is exactly news stories, which is exactly what you need, because when the establishment has gone crazy , establishment has gone crazy, you need some craziness to make sense of it. so join us at 11 pm. every night on gb news the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel. >> hello. good afternoon. it's 4:00. welcome to news on tv onune 4:00. welcome to news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion.

it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times but no times we will disagree, but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy , from columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour adviser matthew lasar. yes but before we get started , let's get your get started, let's get your latest news headlines with . aaron >> very good afternoon to you. >> very good afternoon to you. >> it's 4:00. >> it's 4:00. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. >> the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the wirral yesterday has named wirral yesterday has been named as shrimpton . as stephen shrimpton. >> old's family says >> the 40 year old's family says the father two suffered the father of two suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute describing him as a loving husband and father . 15 year old husband and father. 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken hospital , including taken to hospital, including 14 year who's injuries are year old boy who's injuries are said to be life changing. the pupils were on their way to caldy grange west kirby caldy grange and west kirby grammar when their bus

grammar schools when their bus overturned on the m53 after colliding with a car. overturned on the m53 after colliding with a car . dozens of colliding with a car. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes . an increase in overall taxes. former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference, jeremy hunts told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term . the former party chairman, sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and

dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> the prime minister says he's slamming the brakes on the war on motorists. rishi sunak , who on motorists. rishi sunak, who is expected to address the issue this week , told the sun this week, told the sun harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones were being forced on drivers. the department of transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . local blanket use in england. local councils in england also face a clampdown on using traffic offences to boost their budgets . a convicted child rapist said to be a high risk sex offender is wanted by lancashire police. the force says 35 year old stephen pennington presents a real risk to children and women. he failed to comply with licence conditions and being recalled to prison. his links to blackburn, blackpool and wigan police are asking anyone who sees him or knows his whereabouts to get in

touch . the government says touch. the government says today's strike by train drivers is clearly political and planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england have walked out in a long running dispute over pay , jobs and conditions. over pay, jobs and conditions. many parts of the country will have no services and those that do run will finish earlier than usual. transport secretary mark harper says the current offer on the table is reasonable . the table is reasonable. >> it's clearly a political strike timed to coincide with the conservative party conference. you don't have to think very carefully to see that's the case. look, it's a fair offer on the table. train drivers get paid an average salary of £60,000 for a full day, 35 hour week. the pay rise that's on the table that they won't put to their members would take that average salary to £65,000 a year. now, look , i £65,000 a year. now, look, i think most of your viewers will will look at that and think that is actually quite fair and reasonable. >> well, aslef's general secretary mick whelan has accused the transport secretary of not engaging in negotiate

sessions. well it's not political. >> it's industrial . mr harper >> it's industrial. mr harper and his cronies for the last 16 months have been accusing us of attacking all sorts of events on strike days, which we haven't done haven't seen mr done because we haven't seen mr harper. make a harper. we decided to make a point . where's point today. where's wally? where's mark? come and see us. we are striking today to get the attention tory party and attention of the tory party and the to resolve this the government to resolve this dispute . dispute. >> two people have been injured after a crash involving the flying scotsman train. it was involved in a slow speed collision with another heritage train. hours before visitors were due to board at aviemore station. the national railway museum says a shunting incident happened while the steam train was being coupled with the royal scotsman train carriages . this scotsman train carriages. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. i'll be back with more in about 25 minutes time. but now it's over to nana . it's over to nana. >> good afternoon . this is gb

>> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i am nana akua . oh god. radio. i am nana akua. oh god. our dear friend gary lineker has found a new lease of life . found a new lease of life. unfortunately, the bbc, who we pay unfortunately, the bbc, who we pay for othennise, were jailed , pay for othennise, were jailed, have decided in its wisdom to allow its highest paid stars who arguably have the most amount of political sway to open the floodgates and spill out their political views . in its wisdom, political views. in its wisdom, our publicly funded broadcaster has put together a new social media policy which will allow some of its top earners to share their political views as long as they do not endorse or attack political parties or criticise individual politicians . and the individual politicians. and the rules only apply whilst their programme is on air and two weeks either side . which means weeks either side. which means after acquiring millions of followers on the back of his presenting gig of match of the day where he earns 1.3 million of licence fee payers money, gary lineker has been given the green light to fill us all with

his condescending claptrap from his condescending claptrap from his ivory tower . so when he his ivory tower. so when he called suella stop the boats policy immeasurably cruel and likened her language to that used by germany in the 1930. so germany, that would have been okay depending on when he posted it and the new rules as they are only apply two weeks after they are easily get accountable. he tested them on wednesday by sharing this clip of the home secretary. what we see operationally is that people do game the system. >> they come to the uk, they purport to be homosexual in the effort to game our system in the effort to game our system in the effort to game our system in the effort to get special treatment . that's not fair and it's not right . homosexual . that's not fair and it's not right. homosexual in . that's not fair and it's not right . homosexual in those right. homosexual in those cases, i'm afraid we do see many instances where people purport to be gay when they're not actually gay, but in order to get treatment , it's not get special treatment, it's not the our asylum system should the way our asylum system should work . work. >> so underneath it, to get around it, he wrote. how could you possibly know if they're gay

or not? so he basically turned it into a question rather than a direct attack . you see, it's direct attack. you see, it's open season on. he joins hate filled carol vorderman, whose tweets only this week called for people to complain to ofcom before a programme on gb news had even been aired. a bit like the tactics used by stop funding hate the very epitome of the thing they claim not to be whose rhetoric against began rhetoric against gb news began before the channel had even broadcast a single second of output. she posted this is not permitted by ofcom regulation. lee anderson in brackets deputy chair interviewing suella braverman, home secretary on gb news time to complain to ofcom before broadcast and rt news time to complain to ofcom before broadcast and r t so basically retweet but ofcom responded with this message to clarify as a post transmission regulator , we can only assess regulator, we can only assess content after a programme has been broadcast .

content after a programme has been broadcast. but content after a programme has been broadcast . but to content after a programme has been broadcast. but to be content after a programme has been broadcast . but to be honest been broadcast. but to be honest you can't blame her for trying. we are a threat to the cosy little. what is it that adam called it that brought adam boulton called it their broadcast ecology. i like to call it a cartel where group think ensures only one narrative prevails . last week we beat bbc prevails. last week we beat bbc news, sky news and talktv , which news, sky news and talktv, which isn't hard for an average views. that's on one day. and then sky news three consecutive days in a row. the lack of balance showed on the established media and their coverage of things like partygate and even the issues surrounding gb news this week are the very reason we exist. if the bbc think that i am happy to continue to fund their ludicrously overpaid stars to spout their propaganda at me, think again. whilst i will never break the law and do not encourage others to do so, i've looked into how i can perfectly legally vote with my feet. the pubuc legally vote with my feet. the public have a right to expect impartiality if the bbc expect the public to pay for it.

impartiality if the bbc expect the public to pay for it . so the public to pay for it. so they're right before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should the church? but out of the migration debate, the secretary has debate, the home secretary has refused to meet with the archbishop of canterbury following over her following his concerns over her rhetoric on immigration. so is it time for the church to stop getting political? then at 450, it's royal roundup time and royal biographer angela levin will be live to give you the latest from behind the palace walls and on the menu, the princess wales has been princess of wales has been showing boss in her showing who's the boss in her power style. looks power dressing style. she looks fabulous in green, brilliant colour, great minds think alike whilst experts have been warning that meghan's upcoming memoir might ruin her reputation once and for all, really ? can it get and for all, really? can it get worse? and then it finally hits this week's difficult conversation. retired metropolitan police officer norman brennan will be live in the studio after that tragic

death of a girl stabbed this week in croydon. i'll be talking to norman about what he thinks the government can do to reduce knife crime in the uk. that's on the way in the next hour. aslef tell me what you think on everything discussing. everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. tweet me at. gb news. right. let's get started . let's welcome let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also former labour adviser matthew lars , are you right? matthew lars, are you right? right. well, i think i'm going to start with you, lizzie cundy, because you happen to have met and know gary lineker . and know gary lineker. >> yes, i saw him recently , my >> yes, i saw him recently, my friend very kindly sent me right next to him. i think she was hoping for a little bit of a heated debate, actually. >> she was very pleasant to me. >> she was very pleasant to me. >> we didn't go on to politics, though. steered quite of though. i steered quite clear of it yeah, here we go again. >> but yeah, here we go again. >> but yeah, here we go again. >> more of his woke nonsense. i can't believe it. you know, he's one of the highest paid on the

bbc. it makes sick. >> and who's the highest? >> and who's the highest? >> he is the highest paid. and who's paying for it. we are. and look, fine for him to write look, i'm fine for him to write and say what he feels on politics. do that, but don't work for the bbc. that's not what they're supposed to be. impartial it just makes impartial itjust makes a mockery of the whole thing. and for me and many others , i know for me and many others, i know they people don't want to pay for this licence anymore. they really don't. and people are very, very about it. and really don't. and people are ve|foryery about it. and really don't. and people are ve|for carol about it. and really don't. and people are ve|for carol vorderman it. and really don't. and people are ve|for carol vorderman ,. and really don't. and people are ve|for carol vorderman , youd as for carol vorderman, you should hang your head in shame for what she did. i thought it was absolutely, totally disgusting . and she knows all disgusting. and she knows all her followers will just read that and complain about this wonderful station. willy nilly just what she said. it just doing what she said. it goes against every and goes against every rule and every grain . and i'm frankly, every grain. and i'm frankly, i think they should throw the book at i really do. yeah at her. i really do. yeah >> actually >> because it's actually prejudice, because prejudice, isn't it? because that prejudging that is you're prejudging something , you haven't seen it, something, you haven't seen it, and then you're making an assessment others to assessment and telling others to do bad things complain about do bad things or complain about something even do bad things or complain about someihow even do bad things or complain about someihow can even do bad things or complain about someihow can how even do bad things or complain about someihow can how can even do bad things or complain about

someihow can how can thateven do bad things or complain about someihow can how can that be n do bad things or complain about someihow can how can that be an seen. how can how can that be an acceptable behaviour? that's almost like pretty much initiating a pylon onto gb news for no reason at all. she hasn't seen the programme. >> well, the reason of course was for to get her a number of social media followers up and to get her attention. and look, it's good look. it's it's never a good look. it's perfectly acceptable to think that is wrong . it's that something is wrong. it's perfectly acceptable to complain about you've perfectly acceptable to complain abouit you've perfectly acceptable to complain abouit seen you've perfectly acceptable to complain abouit seen it. you've perfectly acceptable to complain abouit seen it. but you've perfectly acceptable to complain abouit seen it. but the|'ve perfectly acceptable to complain abouit seen it. but the old read it or seen it. but the old rule applies whether a book rule applies whether it's a book that want banned or a that you want banned or a television you think television programme you think shouldn't read shouldn't be going out. you read it, and then you it, you watch it, and then you complain you've complain because then you've actually seen what you're talking that's the talking about. and that's the golden that she broke. golden rule that she broke. i mean, at the for bbc about mean, i was at the for bbc about 14 so, you know, you 14 years, so, you know, you don't pay your licence fee. i won't pension. don't pay your licence fee. i worwell, pension. don't pay your licence fee. i worwell, was ension.bbc for >> well, i was at the bbc for about 13 years. i'm lucky for some. >> so, i mean, i think i was in news for most of time in news for most of that time in the bbc news division and i think a of think there's a lot of frustration people bbc frustration from people in bbc news they see news not least when they see gary salary, also gary lineker's salary, but also when they see he's given when they see what he's given carte blanche to and so the carte blanche to do. and so the bbc itself into bit of bbc has got itself into a bit of a a typical bbc muddle on a bbc, a typical bbc muddle on the media it's the social media guide. it's a

sort fudge. the guy who sort of fudge. the guy who actually draw up is actually has to draw these up is my a great man, my old boss. he's a great man, but walking tightrope on but he's walking a tightrope on this. basically for non this. and so basically for non news it's absolutely news people, it's absolutely clear the social media clear what the social media policy but in policy is. but people in non—news gary non—news programmes like gary lineker, they've come up with this compromise can't this compromise that you can't attack only attack individuals. you can only there's cordon there's a sort of cordon sanitaire either of your sanitaire either side of your programme. so clearly, as programme. so so clearly, as we've retweeting wrong, we've seen retweeting wrong, that doesn't quite cover it. et cetera. and i think, you know, people lineker people like gary lineker have to choose. want choose. they want to be political activist. they want to choose. they want to be poliforil activist. they want to choose. they want to be polifor office ist. they want to choose. they want to be polifor office or. they want to choose. they want to be polifor office or be|ey want to choose. they want to be polifor office or be fullvant to choose. they want to be polifor office or be full timeo run for office or be full time activists or they want take activists or they want to take money from and it's not money from the bbc. and it's not like some obscure like he's some obscure presenter. he's the presenter for saturday night for their lead saturday night programme. and on the most money of anybody. >> how are they going to >> but how are they going to police this? >> going to be so many >> there's going to be so many grey >> there's going to be so many greth's >> there's going to be so many grej it's the >> there's going to be so many greth's the new the unit >> there's going to be so many grej it's the new the unit was >> it's the new the new unit was just there scrolling. it just sitting there scrolling. it really they done this? >> and have they done this? especially for lineker? especially for gary lineker? well, got that much well, has he got that much power? and carol vorderman well, has he got that much power? ind carol vorderman well, has he got that much power? i mean,yl vorderman well, has he got that much power? i mean, i vorderman well, has he got that much power? i mean, i think rman well, has he got that much power? i mean, i think it'sn indeed. i mean, i think it's totally outrageous it's totally outrageous and it's really us who are really unfair on us who are paying really unfair on us who are paying for this, because i think most people we're all reasonable people. >> most people are pretty reasonable. they're reasonable. and if they're prepared a level of

prepared to maintain a level of impartiality, then i, for one, would be okay about some sort of fee to pay for them. however, they would have to remain completely neutral so that i would know that the information that their styles and people around them, especially their highest paid stars, just highest paid stars, was just a straight but the fact that straight line. but the fact that they're veering away from that, to me , i think sounds the death to me, i think sounds the death knell licence . knell for the licence. >> yeah. i mean, i'm not sure if it applies to actors. i mean, one of things they will say one of the things they will say is people is if people only have a programme on bbc every five programme on the bbc every five years something, that years or something, that therefore, you know, what do you do think if do about it. but i think if somebody's a regular strand somebody's got a regular strand for many saturdays for however many saturdays a year is on, year that the football is on, then clearly that's, that's different who's, different from somebody who's, you history you know, presenting a history programme for weeks and programme for six weeks and might one for might not do another one for 5 or so you know, or 10 years. so you know, i don't it seems to they're don't it seems to me they're using an excuse to give using that as an excuse to give gary the space he needs because they want keep they want to keep him. >> yeah, it's unfair and >> yeah, but it's so unfair and hypocritical. it totally is. and let me you, will be let me tell you, people will be switching bbc. their switching off the bbc. their ratings will go down because i know i meet livid know everyone i meet is livid about why is gary about this. and why is gary saint gary being given all this

special treatment yet? gary still went to the world cup, didn't he, and took that didn't he, and took all that money, said , you know, money, though he said, you know, it's just virtual sickening. he is a hypocrite. and i'm really actually quite disgusted with this. and people are going to switch off the bbc when their ratings plummet, i think. >> and of course, gary and carol are not here to defend themselves, but i'm sure they will twitter. will on twitter. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i i mean , as far >> absolutely. >>carol i mean , as far >> absolutely. >>carol is i mean , as far >> absolutely. >>carol is concerned,1ean , as far >> absolutely. >>carol is concerned, ilan , as far >> absolutely. >>carol is concerned, i thought ar as carol is concerned, i thought carol tory one stage carol was a tory at one stage and seems of reinvented and she seems to of reinvented herself the age of social herself in the age of social media. were being media. i mean, if you were being cynical, you would say was cynical, you would say that was with to where people were with an eye to where people were on social media and reinvent on social media and to reinvent herself perhaps a new age . herself for perhaps a new age. and that gives me a lot of cynicism. i don't mind celebrities speaking out. i don't mind actors speaking out. we know, we can judge them. you know, we've those actors who we've all seen those actors who talk climate change talk about on climate change and then getting their private jets. they can criticise it they say it, we can criticise it if we so choose. think if we so choose. but i think it's the about being a bbc it's the issue about being a bbc presenter in, week out is presenter week in, week out is more problematic and that's what upsets can say >> bbc carol and gary can say what they want but just don't

work the bbc and let us pay work for the bbc and let us pay your we're paying your wages. we're paying for this. that's the thing. and she's new jeremy she's like the new jeremy corbyn, carol corbyn, isn't she? carol vorderman maybe with assets , vorderman maybe with assets, maybe she should get into politics and then see if anyone actually for her. politics and then see if anyone act|that for her. politics and then see if anyone act|that would for her. politics and then see if anyone act|that would be her. politics and then see if anyone act|that would be interesting, >> that would be interesting, actually, why you actually, carol, why don't you stand for some sort of political position, mp or position, maybe become an mp or , you know, see if anyone votes for you? good luck with that. if you join me . welcome you just join me. welcome on board. just coming up to 17 board. it's just coming up to 17 minutes this is gb minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. nana akua. coming channel. i'm nana akua. coming up, it's royal roundup time with angela levin . she'll be live in angela levin. she'll be live in the studio. we'll be discussing the studio. we'll be discussing the wales the princess of wales who's seamlessly style over seamlessly changed style over the last few appearances. power dressing , blazers, matching suit dressing, blazers, matching suit trousers , both new and recycled trousers, both new and recycled . very nice. harry and meghan gallivanted off on holiday after the invictus games . but where the invictus games. but where are the kids? you never see the kids, do you? in fact, no one sees the kids. even the kids sees the kids. not even the kids grandparents family grandparents actually, or family members at but up next, members at all. but up next, it's time for the british it's time for the great british debate. i'm debate. this hour. and i'm asking, but asking, should the church? but

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onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. now, before the break, we were discussing gary lineker and the bbc and their new social media policy. let's have a look at what you've been saying. pat says as an ex local authority staff member, our jobs were at risk if we spoke out publicly about issues. this should apply to all civil service and public staff. nobody should be paid gary lineker's obscene salary by a public service. i couldn't agree more. i it's shocking, rachel says. i'm completely comfortable with bbc employees expressing their politics. it's better they should be plainly visible rather than silently influence the news and opinion as well. there's no hope of that from gary lineker. he's certainly not going to be silent, is he? melinda says pensioners the bbc licence, pensioners want the bbc licence, so we have the access to the channels have. othennise it channels we have. othennise it is a fear of paying subscriptions for one programme here and one programme there, which be costly. well which would be too costly. well i agree that's why i think they should stop all this political nonsense, because if they do that, to pay

that, people won't want to pay for it, ashley says. we pay for it, ashley says. we all pay the licence , therefore we the bbc tv licence, therefore we pay the bbc tv licence, therefore we pay the likes gary pay for the likes of gary lineker's therefore lineker's wages and therefore we're allowed to criticise and question others . if he question him and others. if he doesn't like it, then he can resign and work for resign and go and work for megabucks east. megabucks in the middle east. well, you for that. keep well, thank you for that. keep your thoughts coming. really great, now great, great messages. but now it's the great british it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, the church asking, should the church butt out debate ? the out of the migration debate? the home secretary has reportedly refused the archbishop refused to meet the archbishop of canterbury to his of canterbury to discuss his concerns over her rhetoric on immigration. it follows suella braverman. it's almost like he's sort going to tell her off. sort of going to tell her off. it follows suella braverman speech where she said speech in the us where she said uncontrolled immigration poses an existential threat to the west and that being a woman or gay isn't enough of a reason to claim asylum . now, according to claim asylum. now, according to justin welby, spoke german so that he's the archbishop of canterbury . the archbishop has canterbury. the archbishop has reached out to the home secretary a number of times to discuss issues of mutual interest and concern . however, interest and concern. however, it appears that suella has no

interest in speaking to him at all. and after she previously branded the government's rwanda plan as against the judgement of god, which i think is astonishing, that he would say that rwanda is a beautiful country. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking should the church. but british debate this out, i'm askiof should the church. but british debate this out, i'm askiof thewuld the church. but british debate this out, i'm askiof the migration|urch. but british debate this out, i'm askiof the migration debate ut british debate this out, i'm askiof the migration debate .t british debate this out, i'm askiof the migration debate . but out of the migration debate. but joining now is dr. gavin joining me now is dr. gavin ashenden, associate editor of the catholic herald. suzanne evans , political commentator, evans, political commentator, and denis macshane, former labour minister for europe. well, i'm going to start with with you, gavin . gavin, your with you, gavin. gavin, your thoughts . thoughts. >> well, the relationship between christianity and politics can be complex. and so i don't think it's sensible to say in all circumstances the church can't have a political opinion. >> but i don't think we need to go that far because we're faced with a phenomenon at the moment, which the archbishop of which is that the archbishop of canterbury always speaks with a left wing bias , and i think left wing bias, and i think that's what has made him inaccessible to us. >> the reason why i don't particularly want to hear his political views is i know i'm

going to hear a progressive, left wing socialist orient hated political view, which may or may not have anything to do with christianity. if half of his views from the right and views were from the right and half from the left, then i'd want start the want to start asking the question integrate question about how we integrate religion and christianity. but in his particular case, he has lost all credibility some time ago, afraid i'll go with ago, i'm afraid i'll go with denis macshane because he's laughing and i don't see what's so funny. >> denis macshane no , no. >> denis macshane no, no, no. >> denis macshane no, no, no. >> i like the idea of the sermon on the mount. you're going to hear left things. then hear five left wing things. then five things. five right wing things. >> going have balance here. jesus will never , ever come >> jesus will never, ever come down on one side or the other. very curious. a story appears on the front page of the daily telegraph. >> this is suella great pr machine in action. >> the pope last weekend in marseille made a powerful speech to 100,000 people saying the mediterranean would not be the graveyard of immigrants. anti—image classicists nationalists is a danger and he

must have some compassion . now must have some compassion. now that sounds far more woke than gary lineker, though suella braverman wants to take on all of england's catholics for the next or britain's catholics before the next election, be my guest on the main point though, with bit . um, guest on the main point though, with bit. um, i mean with gavin a bit. um, i mean this archbishop does pop up all the time. i don't know why he is a lawmaker . the time. i don't know why he is a lawmaker. he the time. i don't know why he is a lawmaker . he wanders the time. i don't know why he is a lawmaker. he wanders through the house of lords in a long dress and hiding and voting and actually voting no other country allows clerics to vote. he wants to make his point. he's got a pulpit called the pulpit of canterbury cathedral. let him make a speech that we will. but othennise, uh , this is not him. othennise, uh, this is not him. if he were the daily telegraph , if he were the daily telegraph, i'd be much more with you . this i'd be much more with you. this is suella up to her. wants to. gabe put yourself head of the party conference front of every tory voter . because when sunak tory voter. because when sunak goes after the election, she wants to be there. >> well, suzanne looks

positively fed up with what you've just said there, suzanne . what are you saying? >> well, i have to say, you know, i don't think it's right that we should say the church shouldn't involved in shouldn't get involved in politics. is part of politics. the church is part of the establishment in this country . the church state country. the church and state are linked . we have are inextricably linked. we have 26 bishops in house of lords 26 bishops in the house of lords . they are of our . they are part of our legislative process . course, legislative process. of course, they every right to speak they have every right to speak on political matters . i think on political matters. i think the problem that we have here and as gavin, i think summed up so beautifully , is that in very so beautifully, is that in very most the established most cases, the established church is out of touch with the feelings in the country. and i suspect to many people sitting in the pews in churches week in, week out, they just don't seem to get it. they don't seem. dennis talked about needing compassion , but one of my compassion, but one of my favourite phrases is no good deed unpunished and i think deed goes unpunished and i think we have a situation here where we have a situation here where we could be compassionate and let in these mostly men let in all these mostly men coming across the channel in small and find that we small boats and find that we have even drug runners, have even more drug runners, gangsters, criminals , child sex

gangsters, criminals, child sex abusers coming over because we know that the home office authorities are already monitoring thousand such criminals who have come over here having ditched their passport, ports, lied about their age, lied even about their religion. and i'm afraid to say we must be compassionate to people are quite clearly people who are quite clearly criminals and arguably criminals by the fact of their very nature that they paid people traffickers get here, hadn't traffickers to get here, hadn't come safe country. that come from a safe country. that is i anyone a is france. i think anyone with a genuine humanity need not be trying to get here from france. so i don't quite understand why the archbishop is saying we must let these people in when what he's actually doing is putting the people of this country at risk. and that is not christian by any standard of what christianity means. so i think, like a lot of people might say , like a lot of people might say, that the church should get involved in politics to a degree, but specifically with the debate where the immigration debate where they of where he they are sort of where he appears to be preaching with regard to it, when actually the church does have some opulent

empty churches . empty churches. >> do you think that, gavin, perhaps the church, instead of offering to just tell suella braverman off about a language, he could perhaps come fonnard and put some policies as to how the church itself could maybe house people ? house some of these people? >> . spent quite a long time >> yes. spent quite a long time suggesting in the 1990s that the church should sell off the churches it didn't need and offer them to nurses and to people who involved in the people who were involved in the fire if the fire services. because if the church buildings, has church has buildings, it has a duty to meet some of the social needs around it. of course. but but particular case, the but in this particular case, the idea that the church should want to foster illegal immigration is nonsense . and dennis dennis made nonsense. and dennis dennis made a funny point saying, you know, can you really manage with the circumstances where you have five left and five right wing spiritual ? i think spiritual principles? i think it's to that jesus it's important to say that jesus didn't that. didn't do politics for all that. a lot of christians say that he did . he reason he got into did. he the reason he got into trouble and was crucified was because absolutely refused to because he absolutely refused to take a position on serious take a position on a serious political issues his day . he political issues of his day. he did what he did stuff on the

soul. always, always, always on the . you can make him the soul. you can make him politicise if you want. and people have done. and i was people have done. and when i was a man that was very a young man that was very attractive me. i was attractive to me. i was particularly interested in liberation because it liberation theology because it would political would be cool to be political and as got and christian. but as i got older, that one of older, i realised that one of the that most the things that is most important christianity important about christianity is about soul and it's about about the soul and it's about your with the your relationship with god, the father all the political your relationship with god, the fatheis all the political your relationship with god, the fatheis symptomaticylitical your relationship with god, the fatheis symptomatic ofical your relationship with god, the fatheis symptomatic of the stuff is symptomatic of the spiritual stuff. so when but when it comes to this particular issue, i simply can't take the church of england very seriously because only ever presents a because it only ever presents a left wing critique and immigration often has stretches right across the political spectrum. all of us have to deal with both progressive interpretations and if you like , conservative and traditional ones. , conservative and traditional ones . and the only the only ones. and the only the only views one can take seriously are people who've taken both together and come to a conclusion. and the church of england seems incapable of doing that. so in conclusion, gavin, should they just butt out of the actual immigration debate? >> that particular part of it, would say it would be very.

would you say it would be very. >> it would be very good having reached an time low in reached an all time low in relation to the people who follow the church england follow the church of england in this if they this in this country, if they actually concentrated on their this in this country, if they actujob, concentrated on their this in this country, if they actujob, which |trated on their this in this country, if they actujob, which isxted on their this in this country, if they actujob, which is tod on their this in this country, if they actujob, which is to make1eir real job, which is to make christians and build churches , christians and build churches, they're it. it's time they're not doing it. it's time they're not doing it. it's time they and energy they put their effort and energy into evans, final word >> suzanne evans, final word to you. they or shouldn't you. should they or shouldn't they? should they or shouldn't they? should they or shouldn't they? immigration they? but out of the immigration debate , i debate specifically, i personally they personally don't think they should , i think they need to should, but i think they need to get it. get real about it. >> let's not forget all the bishops bishops bishops or most of the bishops and established anyone and most of established anyone in you couldn't find in the church. you couldn't find a favour of a single person in favour of brexit. it turned out they were completely out of kilter with the country. they need to get back kilter the back into kilter with the country that most of back into kilter with the c01arey that most of back into kilter with the c01are really that most of back into kilter with the c01are really concerned: most of back into kilter with the c01are really concerned about of us are really concerned about this speaking up this issue and start speaking up for us. >> and dennis mcshane should they yes or no ? they butt out, yes or no? immigration quite right. >> the bishops are in favour of remain and all polls show the anglican clergy were against the treaty of rome. they don't like rome . i'm a a treaty of rome. they don't like rome. i'm a a cradle. no, no,

no, no, no, no , no, no, no. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> should they butt out now? dennis no, no. should they butt out of the immigration debate because jesus didn't butt out the pope didn't butt out. >> i'm not interested in the archbishop of canterbury. i'll leave that to the anglicans to sort out. >> lovely. all right, say >> lovely. all right, let's say thank you very much. always a pleasure. also evans, pleasure. also suzanne evans, good and to good good to talk to you and to good talk gavin ashenden. talk to dr. gavin ashenden. he's the of the the associate editor of the catholic you very catholic herald. thank you very much, good to talk much, guys. really good to talk to you. right. well, this is news on online on news on tv, online and on digital i'm akua. digital radio. i'm nana akua. what your thoughts? after what are your thoughts? after the we'll continue with the break, we'll continue with the break, we'll continue with the debate this the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. should hour. and i'm asking, should the church migration church bolt out of the migration debate? the thoughts debate? you'll hear the thoughts of broadcaster and of my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy also columnist lizzie cundy, also former matthew former labour adviser matthew lazan former labour adviser matthew lazar. on the way, lazar. and then on the way, we'll be discussing the fatal stabbing in london this week , stabbing in london this week, which has shone a light on the rise in knife crime around the city and the uk in general. so how can we address these important issues? we'll be looking into that at during difficult conversations. but

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sunday mornings from 930 on . gb sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. well come back. >> this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel. now it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the church butt out of the migration debate at the home secretary has reportedly refused to meet the archbishop of canterbury. i actually met suella this week as lovely, lovely to discuss her concerns over her rhetoric on immigration. according to justin welby spokesperson , the welby spokesperson, the archbishop has reached out a number of times to the home secretary to meet in order to discuss issues of mutual interest and concern. however it does appear that the home secretary has no interest in speaking to him after he branded

the government's rwanda plan a gainst judgement god . and gainst the judgement of god. and what is he talking about? there's nothing wrong with rwanda people rwanda rwanda or the people in rwanda or a that processes or a policy that processes people in a different place. so if the great british debate this houn if the great british debate this hour, asking , should hour, i'm asking, should the church out of the migration church butt out of the migration debate? let see my panel debate? let me see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, adviser to cundy, also a former adviser to the party, matthew the labour party, matthew lazer. matthew lazer should they butt out of immigration in particular? >> well, i think it's very difficult because they are the established church. they were the only country in the world where the leaders of the established church get to sit and get a free pass to sit in the legislature, sit in the house of lords, pass laws, or in this case opposing them. so i think as long as that happens, it's hard to say that they should out of politics should butt out of politics completely . i think that completely. i think that his tone been a little tone has been a little absolutist on this. there are concerns about rwanda, but to say that it's against the judgement of god seems a little harsh. he's just harsh. remember, he's notjust the the church of the leader of the church of england, but he's the leader of

the worldwide anglican communion, of which there are a faithful adherents in rwanda as well. so, you know , who may well. so, you know, who may be upset it. think suella upset by it. so i think suella should find half an hour to go and chat with over a cup of and chat with him over a cup of tea. but i think also they should way to try and should find a way to try and find ground rather find some common ground rather than absolutist as than being as absolutist as he has lizzie cundy should >> lizzie cundy why should suella him? >> lizzie cundy why should suewhat him? >> lizzie cundy why should suewhat to him? >> lizzie cundy why should suewhat to hear? >> lizzie cundy why should suewhat to hear more of his woke >> what to hear more of his woke nonsense? let you. she nonsense? s let me tell you. she can meet him when he puts up 180 migrants in lambeth palace palace or canterbury cathedral . palace or canterbury cathedral. maybe then she would have time to see him. othennise he's what he is doing is just sprouts his nonsense and not doing anything about it himself. and it's actually , you know, i will say actually, you know, i will say that he has got some migrants in one of his flats, in one of his flats. >> oh, it's one of more than one. >> oh, yeah. in one of his flats. >> houses. yes >> houses. yes >> you know, i deal with facts on this. >> i'm a local to lambeth palace and we were invited in once a year for oh, the that's good. >> jolly, jolly nice of him. >> jolly, jolly nice of him. >> for fame, only >> just for the fame, not only into garden.

into the garden. >> christian, i'm christian >> christian, i'm a christian man. give you some man. but let me give you some facts of the archbishop of wokery. he earns 85 grand a year . his net worth is 3 million. and the church itself , the and the church itself, the church of england, is 10.1 billion. it has 200,000 acres of land farm land, forest, land, church churches. how about he does the right thing and opens up the door to all these? >> i mean, he would argue that an and help then then he would be seen as actually doing what he preaches. >> he would argue that that lots of church groups and lots of faith involved faith groups are involved in supporting faith groups are involved in supp banks , which is slightly food banks, which is slightly different, but are often faith based. different, but are often faith based . they are doing practical based. they are doing practical work community. i think work in the community. i think suella can find half an hour. >> migrants need >> no, but the migrants need somewhere have somewhere to live and they have all so whilst all those buildings. so whilst he's talking, expect he's talking, how can he expect the secretary to have any the home secretary to have any respect him if he's, first respect for him if he's, first of all branding her policies against the judgement of god ? he against the judgement of god? he is very over the top. it's so

over the top. and then he had the church itself has so much property wealth that property and so much wealth that it is not dispersing so or it is not dispersing it. so or enabling, you know, those churches are empty. most of the time. sadly, they could do more. >> why doesn't he do what he really should be doing? i mean, look at the mental health crisis that we have an epidemic of mental health. look what happens through covid, the lockdowns. he locked the church doors, if i remember, and i thought that was absolutely, absolutely so horrific. >> but wasn't there some government policy where they couldn't people in, where couldn't let people in, where was he? >> where was he campaigning to have doors open? people like have the doors open? people like my mother, who lives on her own, who mass every sunday, who goes to mass every sunday, really out on on that . really missed out on on that. and we've got, as i said , a and we've got, as i said, a mental health epidemic here. yet he's more concerned on talking politics now i'm sorry that he he's got no right no mandate from the lord above to have a mandate on politics. stick to the day job and stick what you should be doing and stick. keep your nose out of it.

>> i mean, if he wanted to have a conversation with the home secretary it would it be better for to have before he for him to have that before he made the year against the judgement god comment? judgement of god comment? because constructive judgement of god comment? be haves constructive judgement of god comment? be have that constructive judgement of god comment? behave that at constructive judgement of god comment? behave that at earliertructive judgement of god comment? behave that at earlier stagee to have that at an earlier stage when plans clear. so when the plans were clear. so there's bit of grandstanding there's a bit of grandstanding from this. but to from both sides on this. but to be was suella be honest, if i was suella advising i would say advising suella, i would say have the cup of tea because then at can say you've at least you can say you've spoken you've spoken to him and you've been through looks through it and he still looks unreasonable. from suella unreasonable. that's from suella point you never know. >> he might. be >> he might. he might be watching show. there's just watching the show. there's just been exercise carried been a mapping exercise carried out a commission that's out by a commission that's actually established. they've got proportion actually established. they've goibuilt proportion actually established. they've goibuilt on proportion actually established. they've goibuilt on his proportion actually established. they've goibuilt on his land portion actually established. they've goibuilt on his land for:ion be built on his land for affordable housing. >> well well there you go. i think that, you know, the statistics you pulled out, statistics that you pulled out, which is fabulous with which lizzie is fabulous with all she puts me to shame with her homework always comes up. but i think that is you've raised that very raised i mean that is a very valid point. they have all that land. why don't why doesn't suella look into this seeing as he's talking about rwanda being against the judgement of god? why don't we look at some of the properties that the of

properties that the church of england perhaps england have and perhaps they could of migrant could erect some sort of migrant accommodation there. >> canterbury very near >> canterbury is very near to dover doven >> that? >> how about that? >> how about that? >> very offensive to the >> that's very offensive to the people of rwanda. i wonder what. >> that's very offensive to the peoyes,)f rwanda. i wonder what. >> that's very offensive to the peoyes,)f ritheia. i wonder what. >> that's very offensive to the peoyes,)f rithe thing/onder what. >> that's very offensive to the peoyes,)f rithe thing is, der what. >> that's very offensive to the peoyes,)f rithe thing is, he what. >> yes, but the thing is, he says is so bad. i'm says rwanda is so bad. i'm suggesting that we suggesting that perhaps we should some of should have a look at some of their because i. i their properties because i. i wonder whether he'd be so accommodating exactly. wonder wonder whether he'd be so accorhisydating exactly. wonder wonder whether he'd be so accorhisjudgement:tly. wonder wonder whether he'd be so accor his judgement would vonder wonder whether he'd be so accor his judgement would vonc but what his judgement would be. but this nothing without you this show is nothing without you and welcome. and your views. that's welcome. our british is our great british voice. is there to be the there opportune to be on the show what they think show and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing think discussing this i think i'm going go grimsby. not going to go to grimsby. it's not grim because alan's there. alan mcneilly it's not grim in grimsby, is it? alan is it grim in grimsby ? in grimsby? >> good afternoon to you all. >> good afternoon to you all. >> good afternoon to you all. >> good afternoon. good afternoon. so what do you think, alan, then is should should he butt out of things with regard to migration specifically ? he, to migration specifically? he, i think there's a there's a moral reason why he might want to get involved. >> nana but, but he's so politically to the left that everything that he says bears no relationship to what the people

in the country actually think . in the country actually think. >> um, i think you're, you're panel and your guests. >> you had on earlier summed it up really , really well. up really, really well. >> there's an opportunity for the church to do something positive if they wish to, but they're not doing that . and it they're not doing that. and it appears to me from everything that i've heard about the church of england is that it's actually failing in its main duty, which is to get people into church and teach christianity according to the bible. and welby doesn't seem to be much interested in that. he seems to be much more interested in virtue signalling and promoting a specific agenda. so he himself, and promoting a specific agenda. so he himself , yes, he should so he himself, yes, he should butt out. but of course they're tied to our government to and the house of lords . the house of lords. >> yeah, and i'm really. thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that's alan mcnealy. he's there in grimsby. he's a great british voice. you see, this is all about ego, isn't it's ego, isn't it? isn't it? it's ego, isn't it? justin welby stepping in, talking good game , but not

talking a good game, but not actually doing anything , is he? actually doing anything, is he? >> no, not at all. not doing absolutely nothing. he's absolutely nothing. and he's also talked other also talked about other political topics. net zero, you know, is he going to keep harping on he's going to lose the congregation in. that's what's going to happen. think the congregation in. that's whatpeople; to happen. think the congregation in. that's whatpeople; to going n. think the congregation in. that's whatpeople; to going to think the congregation in. that's whatpeople; to going to stop|k he's people are going to stop going . going to church. >> i think they already have. matthew, church? matthew, do you go to church? >> don't. think that >> i don't. but i think that lizzie's that there is a lizzie's right that there is a disconnect between he says disconnect between what he says as a church leader and what a lot of church members think. we did see that over brexit. i mean, it used to be said that the of england was the the church of england was the conservative at prayer. the church of england was the cons itvative at prayer. the church of england was the cons itvativebe at prayer. the church of england was the cons itvative be a in )rayer. now it may be still in the congregations, certainly congregations, but it certainly isn't leadership. isn't in the leadership. and that's to create tensions that's going to create tensions going fonnard. >> well, you that. >> well, thank you for that. right you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv onune akua. this is gb news on tv online digital radio online and on digital radio coming difficult coming up, difficult conversations, in conversations, a stabbing in london a london this week has shone a spotlight dangers of the rise spotlight on dangers of the rise in knife crime around the city and the uk in general. but how should we address these important issues ? i'll be important issues? i'll be discussing that with norman brennan in this week's difficult conversation . there's so much to

conversation. there's so much to unpack as well . but up next, unpack as well. but up next, angela levin will be live in the studio with royal roundup. that's next. >> hello, i'm marco petagna . >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk over the next few days. windy weather days. some wet and windy weather at times, but equally some warm spells of sunshine, too. we've got pressure moving in from got low pressure moving in from the southwest at the moment. that's current that's bringing the current band of weather of wet and windy weather into the north and west of the uk. and certainly as head through and certainly as we head through the overnight the evening into the overnight period, wet period, further outbreaks of wet and weather moving north and windy weather moving north and windy weather moving north and across areas, and eastwards across many areas, becoming confined towards becoming mainly confined towards the scotland into the north—east of scotland into the north—east of scotland into the hours of sunday and the early hours of sunday and also trailing weather front, also a trailing weather front, bringing of heavy to bringing a band of heavy rain to parts north—west parts of wales, north—west england midlands england and the north midlands too the clearer slots too. in the clearer slots towards south—east it's a towards the south—east it's a pretty and muggy night. pretty warm and muggy night. temperatures lower than pretty warm and muggy night. temperatures lowerthan or temperatures no lower than 16 or 17 celsius a few spots, 17 celsius in a few spots, a little bit fresher towards the north as for north and northeast. but as for sunday, well , we'll three sunday, well, we'll see a three way split. band of rain way split. that band of rain continuing affect central continuing to affect the central slice northern slice of the uk, northern england, wales england, parts of wales certainly seeing a few heavy bursts that bursts of rain. that rain

gradually we go gradually easing as we go through towards the through the day towards the south—east. a brighter picture and 1 or 2 showers and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers towards and northwest towards the north and northwest in sunshine in the in the sunshine in the south—east, doing in the sunshine in the southellst, doing in the sunshine in the southell for doing in the sunshine in the southell for the doing in the sunshine in the southell for the time doing in the sunshine in the southell for the time of doing in the sunshine in the southell for the time of year1g very well for the time of year into the low locally towards mid 2023 celsius, 24 is 75in 2023 or 24 celsius, 24 is 75in fahrenheit. and even towards the north, not bad at 17 or 18 degrees. is that band of rain continues to affect that central slice of the uk monday. if slice of the uk on monday. if anything, pepping up for a time again. so heavy bursts again. so further heavy bursts of at times again of rain here at times again brighter towards the south—east and brighter towards the north—west. into north—west. and as we head into tuesday and wednesday, it's a case of sunshine showers and case of sunshine and showers and fairly

the sun. >> good afternoon. it's 52 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different on the menu. the princess of wales has been showing the means that she means business in her new fashion sense. she's got some fabulous outfits, and then there's been a bit of tittle tattle from the sussexes state side with every saturday. i'd love to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela well , good to see you. so now, well, good to see you. so now, shall we start with princess of wales? kate catherine she's been looking sensational . she's been looking sensational. she's been power dressing. yeah i'll do the power dressing. yeah i'll do the power dressing. >> i want to say first that she's a of people have been she's a lot of people have been being rude about her

being very rude about her because not going to asia because she's not going to asia with her husband for the earth cold dig at. >> and it's actually we've discovered that it's because it's prince george's exams, which are very important exams. >> he's ten and said eton give exams at one level and then they do it again another one. and she wants to be there to support him . so all these people are saying, oh, she's snubbed him. what's gone wrong with the marriage? you know, people are hopping , you know, saying hopping onto, you know, saying all sorts of ridiculous things. and that's what she's she's doing. so i wanted to clear that first. but actually , she looks first. but actually, she looks stunning now. it's very interesting because she wears so suits, not from very expensive of shops and she looks stunning and she wouldn't have done that, i don't think when the queen was alive because the queen wasn't really keen on any of them wearing trousers when they're out on an engagement. but now that it's more loose, i think

nobody minds that. and she looks as if she's very businesslike and each time she changes the colour and she goes along and she does a very good job. she's marvellous with children , you marvellous with children, you can see that she absolutely adores them. yes. and they respond to her in an incredibly full and warm way. lots of she sort of looks at them as though she wants another one. >> that's what i thought. >> that's what i thought. >> she did want >> i thought she did want another one. >> decided after >> and william decided after three that he didn't want another another and another another child. and she did difficult did have very, very difficult pregnancies. and she discussed that her own with a woman who had the same as her. so she's not nervous about revealing herself and being very accessible as a princess. so she's done really well . and you she's done really well. and you look at her and you see how she behaves and you think meghan could never beat her. she absolutely couldn't . and what absolutely couldn't. and what i think was quite hypocritical royal was after they the invictus games , she went off for invictus games, she went off for a little holiday to portugal with harry. and there she was

saying she couldn't come except three days later for the invictus games because she had to make the children milkshake . to make the children milkshake. yes. but in fact, she then went off for however many days it was to portugal to have a quiet, you know, romantic holiday with harry. could have been to eugenie's place there, but it might not have been. we don't know yet, really. but i thought, how can you say you're desperate for your children? you love them and then most of us who are children, you'd rush home as soon as you could to see them not take off more time. so it was more than two weeks. she was away . so, you know , there's away. so, you know, there's another example of hypocrisy. >> nobody ever sees the children, though. i mean, the her own dad has not seen any of the children, which is very sad. i think it's very sad because he's obviously very ill . he's obviously very ill. >> and he although he can speak a little bit now, it's still very awkward for him. and i think you have to whatever you

feel about a parent, you you need to just do something that makes them feel happier. yeah. >> at least, you know, at least . i mean, look, they're your parents. and even if they do the things that are wrong and they do sometimes mean sometimes my parents are so annoying, but i've still them and they're i've still got them and they're still so even though in still here, so even though in particular, my dad, he can be so annoying god. on annoying. oh, god. he goes on and on and on. but i just accept nana don't do this. i mean, one time he to my house, he time he came to my house, he flooded the toilet upstairs. i warned him. it was like paddington bear. everything he did, , you know, paddington bear. everything he did, once , you know, paddington bear. everything he did, once he'd. , you know, paddington bear. everything he did, once he'd. once , you know, paddington bear. everything he did, once he'd. once he'd know, paddington bear. everything he did, once he'd. once he'd ruined and once he'd. once he'd ruined it and it flooded through. he said, no, no, you need to get yourself an electrician. and a plumber. thanks for your plumber. i said, thanks for your help, dad, but meghan, let's go on meghan. got the on to meghan. she's got the memoirs about memoirs she's been moaning about . how bad her royal life was. >> well, you see, it's very interesting because she said several times that there's to going do she's doing a memoir and going it and she's going to bring it out and she's going to bring it out and tremble in your and you sort of tremble in your feet know, it's feet because, you know, it's all going to be how terrible

everyone was to her. but her new pr have tried to give her pr people have tried to give her a image. so she's happy, a new image. so she's happy, she's bright. everything's wonderful. of smiles, wonderful. she's full of smiles, laughter we saw that in the invictus games . now, my question invictus games. now, my question is , how can you now , now bring is, how can you now, now bring out a very miserable book when you say life is wonderful, you didn't really mean it. and it's all lovely because as you know, she attacks the royal family she's back to being somebody who's rude and attacking them . who's rude and attacking them. so i it's quite an so i think it's quite an interesting dilemma. will she or won't actually bring the won't she actually bring the book out in the end? but what is actually important is that actually very important is that it's been discovered that in 2021, when she went to new york and harlem , she went there to and harlem, she went there to read her book the and to these seven year olds. but they were all gagged. the teachers and the seven year olds were gagged and they weren't allowed to say anything nasty or negative about her. and i thought that was shocking because i don't believe

you should ever stop children saying something. and if they say, i don't like that book, you can say, well, next book i'll make a lot of try and make it much nicer for you. but the other thing was that this was a school that was one of the poorest in harlem, and she insisted that they bought a new carpet and lots and lots of blue cushions in absolute specific blue because that made her feel comfortable. and she liked that around her. >> i hope they paid for it then if they insisted that they paid for it, i'd be happy she. for it, i'd be happy that she. no, no, she didn't. >> they had to pay for it. the school i'm sure. school paid for it, i'm sure. yes, sure. and i think that yes, i am sure. and i think that that's actually shows lot that's actually shows a lot about her that it is hypocrisy as that it's really sad as well, that it's really sad because they do the things and then you look back on them and say, well, that is completely hypocritical. but they don't mind. carry doing that. mind. they carry on doing that. and could have been and yet she could have been nice. could have been nice. she could have been positive . could been positive. she could have been incredibly helpful. but she's got this strain that sort of is

self destructive . self destructive. >> well, she could have been, but then she would have been somebody else, not herself. angela , ever, you angela levin, as ever, thank you very for joining angela levin, as ever, thank you very forjoining us. that very much forjoining us. that is biographer angela is royal biographer angela levin. is prince harry's levin. she is prince harry's biographer as it well. biographer as it goes as well. and she's stuff on and she's written stuff on camilla everything else like camilla and everything else like that. angela always pleasure. that. angela always a pleasure. and joined us, and if you just joined us, this is news on tv, online and on is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still loads more to come in the next hour. it's just coming up to 5:00. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . and for the next hour, me akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now on the way. this week's difficult conversation on the stabbing in croydon this week has shone a spotlight on the dangerous rise in knife crime . what can be done in knife crime. what can be done to deter and prevent it across the uk? i'll be speaking to the former police former metropolitan police officer, norman brennan. then for the great british debate

this hour, i'm asking could rishi mac motorist rishi sunak mac pro motorist policies pay off? you try saying that, but first, let's get your latest news with . aaron latest news with. aaron >> good evening to you. it's 5:00 here in the gb newsroom . 5:00 here in the gb newsroom. i'm aaron armstrong, the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the wirral yesterday has been named as stephen shrimpton. the 40 year old's father of old's family says the father of two suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute describing him as a loving husband and father . 15 loving husband and father. 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy whose injuries and injuries are said to be life changing . the said to be life changing. the pupils were on their way to caldy and west kirby caldy grange and west kirby grammar when bus grammar schools when their bus overturned m50 three overturned on the m50 three after colliding with a car . after colliding with a car. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes . former prime minister liz

taxes. former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor as autumn statement if it contains tax rises. putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term . former party chairman sirjake . former party chairman sir jake berry , who's organised the berry, who's organised the pledge, says holds the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word . all too chancellor to his word. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> the minister says he's

slamming the brakes on the war on motorists . rishi sunak, who on motorists. rishi sunak, who is expected to address the issue this week, told the sun hair brained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20 mile per hour zones were being forced on drivers. the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed prevent their reviewed to prevent their blanket england local blanket use in england and local councils in england also face a clampdown on using traffic offences to boost their budgets . a convicted child rapist said to be a high risk sex offender is wanted by lancashire police . is wanted by lancashire police. the force says 35 year old stephen pennington presents a real risk to children and women. he failed to comply with licence conditions and being recalled to prison. he has links to blackburn, blackpool and wigan police are asking anyone who sees him or knows his whereabouts to contact them. the government says today's strike by train drivers is clearly political and planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england have walked out in a long running dispute

over pay, jobs and conditions. many parts of the country will have no service and those that are running will finish earlier than usual . transport secretary than usual. transport secretary mark harper says the current offer on the table is reasonable i >> -- >> it's clearly a political strike timed to coincide with the conservative party conference. you don't have to think very carefully to see that's the case. but look, there's a fair offer on the table. train drivers get paid an average salary of £60,000 for a full day, 35 hour week. the pay rise that's on the table that they won't put to their members would take that average salary to £65,000 a year. now look, i think most of your viewers will will look at that and think that is actually quite fair and reasonable. >> aslef's general secretary mick whelan, however, has accused the transport secretary of not negotiating . of not negotiating. >> well, it's not political. it's industrial . >> well, it's not political. it's industrial. mr harper and his cronies for the last 16 months have been accusing us of attacking all sorts of events on strike days, which we haven't done we haven't seen mr done because we haven't seen mr harper. make

harper. we decided to make a point where's wally? point today. where's wally? where's mark? come and see us. we striking today to get the we are striking today to get the attention the tory party and attention of the tory party and the resolve the government to resolve this dispute . dispute. >> two people have been injured after a crash involving the flying scotsman . the train was flying scotsman. the train was involved in a slow speed collision with another heritage train . hours before visitors train. hours before visitors were due to get on board at aviemore station. the national railway museum says a shunting incident happened while the steam train was being coupled with the royal scotsman trains carriages . we're on your smart carriages. we're on your smart speaker . just say. play gb news speaker. just say. play gb news on tv and digital radio as well . i'll be back with more later. now it's over to nana . now it's over to nana. >> thank you, aaron. this is the news on tv. online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this show headlines right now. this show is opinion . it's mine,

is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of it's it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing , and at times we will discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . joining me today is cancelled. joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator matthew lazar. it's time now for on the way. my difficult conversation today. it's about tackling crime, the stabbing in london this week has shone a spotlight on the dangerous rise in knife crime. i'll be speaking to former metropolitan police officer norman brennan about what can be done to deter and prevent knife crime across the entire uk. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking good pro motorist policies pay off for the prime minister says that he's slamming the brakes on the war against the motorist but will his policies pay off as the tories start to close the gap on labour ? and of course labour labour? and of course labour themselves say they'll still impose a 20% vat on private schools despite doing a u—turn on plans to strip them of their charitable status. sir keir starmer has denied launching an

attack on them. so for my mini debate, we'll be looking into that. debate, we'll be looking into that . is the debate, we'll be looking into that. is the labour leader robbing peter to pay paul? as even robbing peter to pay paul? as ever, get touch. email ever, get in touch. email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. it's now time for this week's difficult conversation . now, very, very, conversation. now, very, very, very tragic story . the stabbing very tragic story. the stabbing in london in croydon this week has shown that there are a lot of dangers , worse things going of dangers, worse things going on in terms of knife crime around london and of course, across the uk. it's not just prevalent in london. hackney born actor idris elba has pushed the need to address these issues, calling for tougher deterrents and punishments against knife crime. but how should we address these important issues and what can be done to deter and prevent young people from carrying knives and knife crime across the uk ? so knife crime across the uk? so i'm joined now by retired police officer norman brennan. now, you said you're not you were a

metropolitan police officer or you're not. >> what did i set up? protect the protectors where a third of the protectors where a third of the police service signed my petition for better protection of police. >> now give the entire >> so i now give the entire police service their only properly independent voice . properly independent voice. >> okay, so norman, let's let's look at this situation . look at this situation. obviously, it is a country wide problem. so knife crime is not just focusing on london. you know , because i think last time know, because i think last time we talk about this, people think, oh, london, london, it's not it's everywhere here. but with things it, can be with things like it, what can be done now now to address why it's happening and how can we prevent in particularly young people from carrying knives and killing each other. >> can i just first start by saying 24 years ago i was sitting in studios like this. >> i was outside number 10 downing street in full uniform as a serving police officer and the family concerned, along with damilola taylor and many others, was lukewarm only 25 years ago in lincolnshire . in lincolnshire. >> white lad in school was stabbed to death. it shocked the nation. there were headlines on

every single newspaper. >> well, i worked support and advised that family. >> they were broken just like any other family . any other family. >> so bringing us right up to date . nana 2425 years ago. date. nana 2425 years ago. >> what am i in this studio talking about today ? talking about today? >> a beautiful young black girl that was in route to school, stabbed to death. and in all of that time, 24, 26 years, what have we done ? have we done? >> i'll tell you what i've done. i risked my career within policing because i predicted a knife crime epidemic after having been stabbed myself khalife by an armed burglar. >> it devastated my life. i've never been the same again. >> which is why i do what i do. >> which is why i do what i do. >> and i've met a thousand families that had somebody murdered stabbed death, murdered, many stabbed to death, shot, . shot, you name it. >> white, old, young male >> black, white, old, young male , name it, , female, you name it, throughout those 26 years, i have told the government it was tony blair at the time, and then it was the lib dems and the conservatives additives. i warned them of perfect storm.

warned them of a perfect storm. i suggested many solutions of what we need to do, address it. i was an expert. i was a policeman , a lead law and order policeman, a lead law and order campaigner. i knew the law inside out. >> i engage with kids. i know kids. i grew up in care all of my life. and because i saw broken , it was one of the broken kids, it was one of the main incentives that i joined the police service. so i'm not here to bash, kick anybody . i'm here to bash, kick anybody. i'm here to bash, kick anybody. i'm here to bash, kick anybody. i'm here to tell you the truth. so get that all of the get into that point. all of the warnings that i gave and bear in mind, i was a lead campaigner for police victims and the public, position that for police victims and the publfew position that for police victims and the publfew have. position that for police victims and the publfew have. i'veysition that for police victims and the publfew have. i've got)n that for police victims and the publfew have. i've got no :hat for police victims and the publfew have. i've got no axe very few have. i've got no axe to grind with anyone. if one section one down, section lets the other one down, i highlight it. i will highlight it. >> have we got now from >> what have we got now from that perfect we've got that perfect storm? we've got the tsunami . the tsunami. >> we have so many children >> we have got so many children killing each now we've got killing each other now we've got parents funerals parents planning funerals instead of bright futures where never was that acceptable three years ago, 30 children were murdered in london, 27 were stabbed to who were killed by arson. >> and one was shot predominantly . and that's the

predominantly. and that's the elephant in the room . they were elephant in the room. they were young, black men killed by young black men and i think it's time now and i'm not here to kick anyone's backside. >> but yes, i am as well. >> but yes, i am as well. >> the elephant in the room is the sadly in london. >> and you're right, knife crime is a problem throughout britain and it affects white families and it affects white families and black families. >> but we're talking about a young black at the moment young black girl at the moment that the majority that was murdered. the majority of black children that are murdered in london are murdered by other black children. >> the families in mortuaries bereft. >> they plead with us. and how many times have you heard a family say, i hope my child is the last one, only for 2 or 3 weeks later, another family to say the same. >> 2 or 3 weeks. you don't need to wait that long. >> i'll finish point in a >> i'll finish that point in a minute. after but the elephant in the room black in the room is the black communities and black families are the victims of very dreadful crimes . and i think it's about crimes. and i think it's about time we saw that elephant in the room and the elephant in the

room and the elephant in the room is the black communities plead police to tackle plead with the police to tackle this crime. they want less children. in fact, no children to be stabbed to death , whether to be stabbed to death, whether they're black or white. but is a big black problem in london. and the communities that plead with us to do something and it's a police duty, primary duty to keep the streets safe and challenge and tackle those that commit crime. challenge and tackle those that commit crime . and i can tell you commit crime. and i can tell you over them 30 years nana i keep on hearing the same narrative. the police only stop us because we're black. well, i'm to here put that narrative right , we're black. well, i'm to here put that narrative right, chief police officers, don't they kowtow, fawn to all of the people that shout and threaten violence ? it's the police. and violence? it's the police. and i trained frontline police officers. i trained detectives. we challenge those and stop people . not because of the people. not because of the colour of the skin , but we stop colour of the skin, but we stop them because statistics tell us who is committing crime. the demographics , the areas, the demographics, the areas, the ages and the colours. and if 70%

of robberies and murders and stabbings in london and shootings are committed by young black men, predominantly other black men, predominantly other black men, predominantly other black men, who the hell do the pubuc black men, who the hell do the public and these communities expect us to stop? >> i well , you expect us to stop? >> i well, you don't expect us to stop? >> i well , you don't need to >> i well, you don't need to convince me. black people killing black people. i've been watching it, and i don't understand is so understand why this is so prevalent. wish they would prevalent. and i wish they would stop, really, frankly. and this is a good thing, but knife is not a good thing, but knife crime the country now crime is across the country now . it really has. it's become a scourge. and whilst there are a lot of black people killing each other, which again, i don't know why this continues in this manner why people would even manner and why people would even want to stab anybody. it's a problem now. everywhere so within this situation, what can we do to try and stop it? because i'm not hearing anything. you know, you talked about london. i'm looking at sadiq khan. he's got these ulez cameras spent a fortune cameras up. he spent a fortune on but he sends a letter on that. but he sends a letter to the family, obviously. very good that. but good of him to do that. but where the real investment and where is the real investment and

heart in tackling the problem? because it like there's no because it feels like there's no heart particular from heart out in particular from sadiq khan to tackle the situation of knife crime, which is actually skyrocketed whilst he's been mayor >> sadiq khan is the vanity man. he gets involved in all these vanity projects now. i ideal primary with murder gun crime and also stabbings, murders and homicide , whichever it is, homicide, whichever it is, whether you're stabbed to death deliberately or not. the devastation with that and knife crime is that it appears to sadiq khan to be too big an issue. he'll talk about the safety of women, which is absolutely right. and paramount. but he never absolutely actually grabs the elephant its trunk that we need to do . so what do that we need to do. so what do we need to do ? i tell you what we need to do? i tell you what we need to do? i tell you what we need to there are we need to do. there are solutions as and i sat in studios for 30 years like this telling them, first of all, we need have minimum sentence need to have a minimum sentence of mandatory sentencing for carrying a knife in a public place without lawful excuse or authority . that is what the law

authority. that is what the law says. it must five years says. it must be five years mandatory and perhaps for juveniles, three years. a strong deliver great message must be sent out. what we also need to do , and this is the do, and this is the controversial part again , mass controversial part again, mass stop and search in the last three years, my police colleagues seized 37,000 knives that means that 37 lives could have been saved . you don't hear have been saved. you don't hear about the positive things police do on that. and you think negative . you hear about that. negative. you hear about that. that's the second thing we need to do. the third thing, we need a national all educational programme , all schools or programme, all schools or colleges , his or workplaces. colleges, his or workplaces. we've got to understand that knife crime is a national crisis. we also need parents and the people that commit these crimes to actually take personal responsibility . we need mentors responsibility. we need mentors to start working with these kids. we need church ages and youth groups to start working together. we need to open community centres. we need to get people like myself and others that have a passion about

the dreadful crime that's out of control that go into young offenders, institutes and prisons, engage and talk. and we need, more importantly than that, 20,000 new police officers . we don't have any new police officers . we need 20,000 more officers. we need 20,000 more and flood the streets, put our hands out to the community, says we're not going to be everyone's friend, but you know what? we can slowly turn this oil tanker that's broken down with no caption or engine around from caption or engine in around from them. choppy seas and rocks . them. choppy seas and rocks. >> well, you know what? listen, i think we also need to punish young people properly. but we did we did mention steve khan and we like equal balance and like to show equal balance and obviously, not here obviously, he's not here to defend in a defend himself. so in a statement released yesterday, this what said. he said, this is what he said. he said, i'm to driving down i'm committed to driving down violent and continue violent crime and will continue to do all i can to end knife crime in our city. well, that's what he said with regard to it. but you know, and i respect that he has to say something important with regard to it, but i'd like to see more action and not and that's what not just words. and that's what i to see.

i want to see. >> nana i've just told you, we've seen no action. it breaks my heart every day. i post on the latest murder. and you're right, it's not just black children. it's not just white children. it's not just white children. it's not just white children. it's men and women. we live in a society now where are basically law and order is broken down. and i'm ashamed to say policing is broken. the criminal justice system is broken. the probation service can't cope. they say we've got too many people in prison . yet too many people in prison. yet many of these people are given all alternatives to imprisonment so many times that they go to prison. there's no alternative. so if we've got those types of people that need to go in prison, have we got too many prison, how have we got too many people prison? it's clear people in prison? it's clear that rehabilitation is not working and there's not enough on on the streets to on police on the streets to engage with the youths. when i joined, used to play a helmet joined, we used to play a helmet down here used to speak down here and we used to speak to children, ones that to these children, ones that were the rails . we'd were going off the rails. we'd speak to parents. but you speak to their parents. but you know what? >> think a lot of are too >> i think a lot of them are too far i don't know far gone now. i don't know what's on with the system, what's gone on with the system, but and they're too but it's broken and they're too

far these days. i as far gone these days. i think, as you said, we to start this you said, we need to start this conversation listen conversation earlier. listen norman, talk for norman, i could talk to you for ages running ages about this. we're running out listen , thank out of time. but listen, thank you much talking us you so much for talking to us about thank you are about this. thank you. you are carrying your work with the police and advising them. >> i support all the >> i hope i support them all the way. last i'd like way. and the last thing i'd like to lost fibre, to say, we've lost moral fibre, community respect. if community spirit and respect. if we things back that we got those things back that once britain great, you once made britain great, do you know the know what we can start the repairs broken britain ? repairs on broken britain? >> let's hope so. norman >> well, let's hope so. norman brennan, thank you very much. really you. really good to talk to you. that's norman that's of course, norman brennan. retired brennan. he's a retired metropolitan police officer. it's to 18 it's just coming up to 18 minutes 5:00. this is news minutes after 5:00. this is news on the way . my minutes after 5:00. this is news on the way. my mini debate today. i'll be asking is the labour sir keir starmer labour leader, sir keir starmer , peter pay paul over , robbing peter to pay paul over his private schools initiative? sir keir starmer has denied launching an attack on private schools after his party abandoned plans to strip them of their charitable status. but up next, it's time for my great british debate this and british debate this hour. and i'm rishi's pro i'm asking, could rishi's pro motorist policies pay off? don't go anywhere .

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from 930 on sunday morning . from 930 on sunday morning. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching 23 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's time now for our great british debate this hour . great british debate this hour. and i'm asking could wishes pro motorist policies pay off the prime minister says that he's slamming the brakes on the war on motorists rishi sunak although his little feet just think he'll reach rishi sunak . think he'll reach rishi sunak. actually, he probably doesn't really drive at that time when he pretended with that car rishi sunak who's expected to address theissue sunak who's expected to address the issue at party conference, told sun that harebrained told the sun that harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods othennise known as ltn and 20mph zones, were being forced on drivers. now the department of transport says that guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england and local councils in england and local councils in england also face a clampdown on

using traffic offences to boost their budgets. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking could rishi's pro motorist policies pay off? well, i'm joined now by lois perry, director of car 26, matthew stadlen, political commentator peter spencer and lois perry. again, you come to us right? so i'm going to start lois perry i will start with you because you can talk to me about it. this whole situation, what your thoughts? >> well, i think that rishi suddenly realised if you have conservative policies, suddenly conservative policies, suddenly conservative voters want to vote for you and yeah, i mean, we've been calling for a debate on this forever . i've been this forever. i've been campaigning on this with car 26. as you know , for the last two as you know, for the last two years. and it's absolutely fantastic . he's acknowledged fantastic. he's acknowledged things that weren't even discussed in parliament before, like 15 minute cities, like low traffic, neighbourhood and all of this 20 mile an hour stuff. i mean, you know, it's it was it was about people being kept out of their cars. people want their

cars, people that have cars vote and yeah , suddenly he's and yeah, suddenly he's thinking, oh, this is a zero election. >> now matthew stanton first thing to say, absolutely . thing to say, absolutely. >> people who have cars, i have a car , we vote, but also parents a car, we vote, but also parents vote. and in certain areas it's absolutely true that if you have absolutely true that if you have a 20 mile an hour zone, you're you're more likely not to die or be injured if you're a child. so you could argue that what he's unleashing now is a war on children. but the wider point is, is this going to cut through or is this going to actually make a difference in the election? and i'd argue probably make a difference in the elec'and and i'd argue probably make a difference in the elec'and why i'd argue probably make a difference in the elec'and why i'lthat?ie probably not. and why is that? >> because the mail today ran a big story and the headline on the front rishi's path the front page was rishi's path to and then you look inside the >> and then you look inside the paper five and six and paper at page five and six and you the polling and the you see the polling and the number one issue that people really about going into the really care about going into the election affect their election that would affect their vote 61% said would not transport, which was on 4, but said the cost of living second was the nhs at about 50. and third was the economy more

generally. but can i? i'm not sure this will quite have the cut through that he hoped. >> who did that poll? sorry what was the poll? >> it a poll for the mail >> it was a poll for the mail by. >> right. >> right. >> i just make the point >> can i just make the point though. cost living thing though. the cost of living thing is you know, it is directly you know, it directly correlates with the whole net zero agenda and the driving so people can't make it so that people can't drive older cars, then of course they're not going to be able to drive or earn money. but that same polling showed that the vast of people vast majority of people that were asked , i think it was only were asked, i think it was only 36% were against showed that, you know, people were vast, massive supportive of him pushing back the petrol and diesel car ban, you know, so i think it definitely look at uxbndge think it definitely look at uxbridge in the election. who would have thought? i mean, the tories were totally set to lose that, weren't they? you know, this is i think this is going to be a net zero election. >> well, a net zero election or not. peter spencer not. let's go to peter spencer and thinks. and see what he thinks. political peter political commentator peter spencen political commentator peter spencer. think spencer. what do you think then ? think that perhaps ? do you think that perhaps rishi sunak has found his mojo , rishi sunak has found his mojo, even it's a little mojo ,

even though it's a little mojo, and he'll . sorry, but do and perhaps he'll. sorry, but do you think that that's enough? do you think that that's enough? do you think that perhaps peter, what do you what's your view? >> well, i mean, i do take the point about uxbridge. i certainly i think that the ulez expansion did actually the expansion did actually spare the tories blushes, but it was very specific to a time and very specific to a time and very specific to a place in the generality of things. i suspect that rishi's brilliant putting the brakes on will sort of get sort of rather lost and you know, look at the, the morale of the tory party right now. and i look at its place in the polls and most certainly rishi sunak came in. he's a grown up. he's a sensible, he's a jolly, hardworking bloke. and so the party is no longer in a state of abject chaos. but it has remained consist recently remained pretty consist recently 20% behind in polls . for 20% behind in the polls. for that reason, i suspect there is a widespread sense within the conservative party that the next election is already lost and that's why it is. i think it's

safe to say that there are various senior figures who are already out on manoeuvres to vying for the next position as leader of the opposition. oh, brave new world that has such people in it. you might be thinking, but in broad terms i come back to something that jim callaghan said decades ago , and callaghan said decades ago, and it's words to the effect that every now and then there is a sea change in politics and people have simply made up their minds what they approve of and what they want. if you're on the wrong side of that, it doesn't matter what you say or what you do well, you you may say that, but it hasn't. >> he just lost about hasn't keir starmer lost about eight points in polls. if we're points in the polls. if we're looking polls. so what you looking at polls. so what you say or do matter. and say or do does matter. and he's u—turning private schools as u—turning on private schools as well. it doesn't look good well. so it doesn't look good for him at all. this yeah. come back on this. >> yeah , sure. >> yeah, sure. >> yeah, sure. >> i mean, yes, you're quite right. there are all sorts of there are sorts blips and there are all sorts of blips and all aberrations all sorts of aberrations and

little movement within little bits of movement within the polls. most certainly particularly on specific issues . but in the main the they've been pretty consist important 20 points ahead. and i'm not for a minute saying that the that the nafion minute saying that the that the nation has fallen in love with sir keir starmer because i don't believe it has for a minute, but for and out love with for just and out of love with the tories. >> okay. perry. yeah just. >> i've just got back from washington i lucky enough washington. i was lucky enough to meeting with trump's to have a meeting with trump's head the white house. head of pr in the white house. and what's happened in the previous administration. they've set up camp a different place set up camp in a different place in washington, go back in washington, ready to go back in washington, ready to go back in and she was very, very, very keen to talk me about how keen to talk to me about how what my organisation has done and obviously there's been a lot of stuff after that as well with other organisations media other organisations and media outlets, how they've pushed back and pr narratives and the specific pr narratives that have helped to push back against the net zero nonsense and so, you know, they are looking at us in america, they're looking at us one as a precautionary towel. look what could happen to us if down could happen to us if we go down this secondly, look at

this road. but secondly, look at how the has pushed back and how the uk has pushed back and obviously rishi sunak speech how the uk has pushed back and obvinhely rishi sunak speech how the uk has pushed back and obvinhe didishi sunak speech how the uk has pushed back and obvinhe did recentlyrk speech how the uk has pushed back and obvinhe did recently where sch how the uk has pushed back and obvinhe did recently where he that he did recently where he had to completely roll back on the 2030 ban on petrol and diesel vehicle sales, heat pumps, stuff like that. so, you know, this is a global issue as well. >> matthew sutton net zero is emphatic basically not but nonsense. >> but what i do think is really important is that the policies are not just robust but properly thought through to be equitable. they have to be wherever it's possible , fair. so it is possible, fair. so it is completely not okay for the least well off in society to take the brunt of these policies . it is true that we have to bnng . it is true that we have to bring the population with us. those of us who think that net zero is essential in the fight against climate change, they're not just so you know, in order to do that, you have to make sure that people are not heavily penalise ized well well, they will, but most of them they are so if you look at ulez, that's you know, that is although it's not specifically net zero, it's

another air quality type policy thatis another air quality type policy that is obviously going to make people who can't afford to buy these sort of things the right sort of car that's going to make them poorer, as is net zero in terms of heat pumps. >> you've got to buy one, haven't you? i mean, in the end also you've got to buy an electric car and all the components and things that go with it, like charging points. they've those they've got to put those up. we've to pay for it. so we've got to pay for it. so i don't i fail to see matthew how this make people poorer. >> it just has to be done in >> itjust has to be done in a grown up graduated way. grown up and graduated way. >> that you gradually make >> so that you gradually make people poorer. no no, no, no. in a progressive way . a progressive way. >> so that the people so that the people the broad. the people with the broad. >> can but the people >> you can laugh, but the people with the broadest shoulders in our society should the our society should take the heavier and that means heavier burden and that means that working woman that the working man and woman who able to drive to who need to be able to drive to get to be properly get to work have to be properly subsidised in order to make the shift unnecessary . shift unnecessary. >> good. i like the word >> that's good. i like the word subsidy. think pays subsidy. who do you think pays for does it for the subsidies? where does it come for the subsidies? where does it conwe do as a society, from the >> we do as a society, from the taxes we do. who is taxed the

most? >> there's a really good argument about the argument about tax the neo—marxists green. argument about tax the neo lots irxists green. argument about tax the neo lots of sts green. argument about tax the neo lots of people reen. argument about tax the neo lots of people who that >> lots of people who think that we taxed. >> lots of people who think that we and taxed. >> lots of people who think that we and it's taxed. >> lots of people who think that we and it's true. ed. >> lots of people who think that we and it's true. we have the >> and it's true. we have the highest tax burden in this country ever, country for possibly ever, certainly for decades. you compare other compare us to some other european countries are european countries and we are less the is, you less taxed. the point is, you have billionaires, you have lots of billionaires, you have lots of billionaires, you have very wealthy have lots of very wealthy people. there are sorts of people. there are all sorts of mechanisms more tax so mechanisms to raise more tax so that we can have a better environment . children don't get environment. children don't get injured on the roads. children don't suffer from bad smoke and also we have more nurses and doctors . doctors. >> so 8 million people languishing . i'm sorry. languishing. i'm sorry. >> sorry. this conversation is about net zero. and also his pro motorist policies. so whilst all of that is very laudable, that's not what we're talking about. so do you think then, matthew, after wonderful soliloquy, after that wonderful soliloquy, whether you think rishi sunaks policies , these pro motorist policies, these pro motorist policies, these pro motorist policies will pay off, do you think i think to keep this very brief, it depends if you could. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> whether he's able to take the british for fools, british public for fools, i think will through it. think they will see through it. >> perry, you >> okay. lois perry, do you think this off? think this will pay off? >> i think, know, he did

>> oh, i think, you know, he did flip on fracking, so just flip flop on fracking, so i just hope he his promises. but hope he keeps his promises. but if he does stick to it and i think it will help him, least think it will help him, at least it create hung it might create a hung parliament, whereas there definitely would wouldn't have been peter, peter spencer, the >> and peter, peter spencer, the old slogan, every little old tesco's slogan, every little helps. have to say in this >> but i have to say in this case it's only very little . case it's only a very little. >> was tesco, was it asda >> was that tesco, was it asda pizza? thank you very much. i speak political speak to spencer, he's political commentator also matthew staton and perez . she's the and lois perez. she's the director of car so got director of car 26. so i've got new teeth and new front teeth. they get stuck on my top lip. new teeth and new front teeth. the lovely. :uck on my top lip. new teeth and new front teeth. the lovely. :uck onyou. top lip. new teeth and new front teeth. the lovely. :uck onyou. thank. oh, lovely. thank you. thank you. lovely, says. you. they're lovely, she says. thank much. thank you thank you very much. thank you for your thoughts. what are yours, though? with yours, though? you're with me. i'm gb news tv, i'm nana. this is gb news on tv, onune i'm nana. this is gb news on tv, online on digital radio on online and on digital radio on the continue with our the way. we'll continue with our great british debate hour. great british debate this hour. and i'm asking could rishi's pro motorist off? you motorist policies pay off? you know thoughts of my panel, know the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy former labour cundy, also former labour adviser lanza . but adviser matthew lanza. but first, let's your latest first, let's get your latest news with . aaron news headlines with. aaron >> it's 533. i'm aaron armstrong

. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the newsroom. the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the wirral yesterday named wirral yesterday has been named as his family as stephen shrimpton. his family says father of two suffered says the father of two suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital including a 14 year to hospital, including a 14 year old injuries are said old boy whose injuries are said to be life changing. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes. the former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor as autumn statement if it contains tax rises that will put pressure on the prime minister , who's on the prime minister, who's just arrived in manchester ahead of the conservative party conference, where he's also expected to address the so—called war on motorists. rishi sunak told the sun harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph

zones are being forced on drivers. while the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . blanket use in england. manchester prime minister . manchester prime minister. meanwhile, the transport secretary mark harper, says today's trains strike is clearly political and is planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england walked out in a long running dispute and many parts of the country have had no services at all and those running will finish earlier than usual. running will finish earlier than usual . more on our website usual. more on our website gbnews.com. and i'll be back at the top of the hour with a full bulletin over to nana . bulletin over to nana. >> thank you, aaron. coming up is labour leader sir keir starmer robbing to peter pay paul over private schools? sir keir has doubled down on his plans to impose a 20% vat charge on private schools, despite

doing a u—turn on plans to strip them of their charitable status. but i'll be asking my but up next, i'll be asking my panel about our great british debate this hour . could ricci's debate this hour. could ricci's pro motorist policies pay

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british debate this hour. and i'm asking good wishes . pro i'm asking good wishes. pro motorist pay off. you motorist policies pay off. you try saying that with two new front teeth right ? the prime front teeth right? the prime minister says that he's slamming the brakes on the war on motorists. rishi sunak, is motorists. rishi sunak, who is expected address the issue expected to address the issue this at the tory party this week at the tory party conference, told the sun that harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones were being forced on drivers. now the department of transport says that guidance will be revised, reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england and local councils in england and local councils in england also face a clampdown on using traffic offences to boost their budgets. although i don't know how you can sort of stop them really, but for the great british debate this out, i'm asking could rishi's promoter policies let's see what policies pay off? let's see what my panel make of that. i've policies pay off? let's see what my panel make of that . i've got my panel make of that. i've got author oh no columnist and author and oh no columnist and also broadcaster lizzie cundy and also written a wonderful book and also labour advisor matthew lhasa. la la la la la la la.

>> and i want my bright shirt for you today. >> la la. well, okay. well, let's start with you, lizzie. yeah, well, harebrained scheme. >> i think rishi is looking like a in headlights a rabbit in the headlights to me, he'd done this me, and i wish he'd done this a little sooner. let's little bit sooner. let's be honest . i little bit sooner. let's be honest. i mean, this driving at 20 hour, i'm a driver. 20 miles an hour, i'm a driver. ihave 20 miles an hour, i'm a driver. i have drive from rural i have to drive in from rural area practically area into london, practically every day. when you get into london at 20 miles an hour, it's actually not just ridiculous. it's dangerous because you're looking down at your car, checking you're not going over 20.the checking you're not going over 20. the only thing that me and the archbishop of wokery have in common is that we got actually the speeding fine exactly the same on the embankment same place on the embankment exactly as he did. but i think rishi is definitely got his eye on the election and he's got to start, you know, he's been the listening pm at the minute because he's listening to the people he saw what happened with uxbndge people he saw what happened with uxbridge and he knows that the war on motorists has got to stop. look what's going with stop. look what's going on with the cycle lanes. we have ulez. it's a joke, you know, what it's just a joke, you know, what do they want us all to walk? not

to have cars get out of our cars? i think you've answered your cars? i think you've answered you exactly. the question . >> exactly. the question. >> exactly. the question. >> and there was a petition that i think it's a 450,000 people have signed against this. i really have to say it's dangerous. it's ridiculous . yes. dangerous. it's ridiculous. yes. and it needs to stop . and it needs to stop. >> well, in wales, i mean, they are suffering this 20mph nonsense. and i know somebody who's pretty much well, if they had the meeting, they may well have lost their licence because of you know, of the 20mph thing, you know, like after fine after fine. like fine after fine after fine. going 27, going 28, 20, 26. all all of it. obviously under 30. but that was the old limit. what do you think, matthew? >> so, look, i think clearly rishi has got his eye very much on the election. and he's i mean, as you say, he's really spewing policies the spewing the policies out at the moment. the problem is, moment. i think the problem is, is isn't an overall is that there isn't an overall story telling story that they're telling because them and some of because some of them and some of them are not even actual things that are going to happen. they're kind of like the european human european convention on human rights he saying, will rights. he keeps saying, will we, it's all a bit of we, won't we? it's all a bit of a guessing game. the other

a guessing game. on the other hand, there is a problem hand, i think there is a problem for the labour party, my for the labour party, for my party i think that party with this. i think that the think the welsh example, i think if keir starmer could have not made sure happen sure that didn't happen in wales, he would have done. wales, then he would have done. but their own but the welsh do their own thing. are devolved, but it thing. they are devolved, but it has a lot of people. has spooked a lot of people. this border because this side of the border because they labour would they think that labour would be in blanket 20 mile in favour of a blanket 20 mile an now actually an hour zone. now actually labour isn't in of labour isn't in favour of 20 mile zone blanket in mile an hour zone blanket in england all. never been mile an hour zone blanket in eng policy. all. never been mile an hour zone blanket in eng policy. and never been mile an hour zone blanket in eng policy. and sometimes een mile an hour zone blanket in eng policy. and sometimes rishi, the policy. and sometimes rishi, as the environment, as he did with the environment, you seven bins and the you know, the seven bins and the sort of compulsory veganism and all of that, was kind all of that, which was all kind of dragons, paper of fighting paper dragons, paper tigers exist. tigers that didn't really exist. but labour to be but i think labour needs to be careful doesn't seem to careful that it doesn't seem to be the anti emotivist side. be on the anti emotivist side. and london wales and with london and wales showing power , that showing labour in power, that has got people, people worried. i perfectly sensible i think it's perfectly sensible to encourage people to use pubuc to encourage people to use public encourage public transport to encourage cycling . not every they cycling. not every cycle they make in my view, make sense in my view, but i think can. forcing people think we can. forcing people isn't it's so unfair. >> you say, about using public transport. in a rural transport. if you're in a rural area, you're not near a train station or a bus , and all these station or a bus, and all these new rules , you know, the new rules, you know, the expansion of ulez is an absolute

cash grab. we know what it is. it is absolutely disgusting that he's got away with it. and i think the mayor of london can actually lose keir starmer the election because i'll captain hindsight there, do you think? >> you know, i think look, i think labour's become an absolute nightmare. think labour's become an abs london ghtmare. think labour's become an abs london ghthe re. think labour's become an abs london ghthe safest part of >> london is the safest part of the for labour in theory the country for labour in theory did in the difficult corbyn did even in the difficult corbyn years, labour, years, it's stuck by labour, even in london even gained seats in london in 2019 it losing across 2019 when it was losing across the and what should the country. and yet what should have slam dunk has turned have been a slam dunk has turned out into keir starmer's biggest nightmare. think, you nightmare. and i think, you know, is a big know, i think there is a big danger a new danger that especially as a new voting system where people don't get used , second choice doesn't get used, second choice doesn't count. if you vote for one of the parties, it's changed. the minor parties, it's changed. so yeah, so, so, therefore, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you|h, so, so, therefore, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you voter, so, therefore, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you vote fory, therefore, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you vote for the therefore, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you vote for the greens re, the minor parties, it's changed. s(you vote for the greens or if you vote for the greens or the historically you the lib dems historically you could labour and could transfer to labour and you'd elected. it's, you'd see labour elected. it's, you'd see labour elected. it's, you know, first past the post. and you know, that and i think that, you know, that susan for the tories stands susan hall for the tories stands a nobody expected a chance that nobody expected her . her to have. >> susan hall might not have had cox susan's been called the slug because she's slow getting because she's so slow at getting anything howard cox as mayor

>> i think howard cox as mayor of would be fantastic, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've would be fantastic, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've hadld be fantastic, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've had him fantastic, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've had him here astic, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've had him here on c, >> i think howard cox as mayor of we've had him here on the and we've had him here on the show. agree with show. and i agree with everything said. show. and i agree with evebuting said. show. and i agree with evebuting mightd. show. and i agree with evebuting might be good with show. and i agree with eve buting might be good with the >> but he might be good with the transport stuff, but what about the stuff? transport stuff, but what about the so stuff? transport stuff, but what about the so knife jff? transport stuff, but what about the so knife crime and everything >> so knife crime and everything else mean, has else like that. i mean, he has a speciality area. susan speciality in one area. susan has been through the whole system look what system and, well, look what happened in croydon. >> and sad. and >> it's so shocking and sad. and our knife crime is i mean, he's got. to rishi if i got. but you know to rishi if i if i was rishi if he wants to win election, needs to win the election, he needs to secure borders and cut secure our borders and cut our taxes and stop race to net taxes and stop the race to net zero. then he might win. >> okay. remember his pledges, those five pledges he made earlier stop boats? earlier to stop the boats? >> going to happen. earlier to stop the boats? >> inflation going to happen. earlier to stop the boats? >> inflation down g to happen. earlier to stop the boats? >> inflation down byo happen. earlier to stop the boats? >> inflation down by half,|pen. earlier to stop the boats? >> inflation down by half, down. >> inflation down by half, down. >> might just make that one. >> he might just make that one. the other three growth and growth is not going to meet them. >> nhs them. >> n hs targets. them. >> thei targets. them. >> the nhsets. them. >> the nhs and the nhs is going the that's because the wrong well, that's because they're not helping and certainly not helping and they're it deliberately in they're doing it deliberately in a sense to try and unseat. >> have said no, >> but they could have said no, that the age. >> ask what is keir >> let's ask what is keir starmer to do? what is he starmer going to do? what is he going to do? >> be talking >> well, we'll be talking about him moment, he hasn't got him at the moment, he hasn't got off but this shows

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but, i with the but, you know, i agree with the previous think he's previous speakers. i think he's got right. i think got it right. i think he's nailed i think could even nailed it. i think he could even win election . with policies win the election. with policies like need be like this. motorists need to be spoken for. it can be an spoken up for. it can be an environmentalist and still do things in a sensible way. environmentalist and still do things in a sensible way . yeah, things in a sensible way. yeah, and by way, he had me and by the way, he had me planting at number 10 planting a tea bush at number 10 recently, he might even get recently, so he might even get my vote. recently, so he might even get my hey, nice . all right. let's >> hey, nice. all right. let's go to stephanie milton go to stephanie in milton keynes. good keynes. stephanie good afternoon, nana. >> yes , thank you for having me on. >> nana . >> nana. >> nana. >> i think as we've heard from your panel, i agree with lizzie and matthew rishi sunak is strategically trying to win the election. >> so obviously all these pro policies are in place and he's trying to end the war on motoring . but i do trying to end the war on motoring. but i do think trying to end the war on motoring . but i do think that motoring. but i do think that i don't think it's going to work, to be honest. >> i'm not know well, othennise we've got keir starmer , our we've got keir starmer, our friend u—turn. we'll call him u—turn or we'll turn. we'll all turn . yeah. lee webb. what about turn. yeah. lee webb. what about you? he's there in bedford lee. finally to you, 30s. i think rishi is going right in the

right direction . right direction. >> certainly. >> certainly. >> but i think what he's got to do he's got time to do it, do and he's got time to do it, he's actually got to make these things happen. >> speed it >> now with the speed limits, it does need a change to the law because local councils because i believe local councils have that power to set speed limits in the local authority areas of where where it isn't a trunk road or a motonnay. so he's to going have to change that law if he wants that power to be brought back at the national but certainly national level. but certainly he's doing some good sound bites, but he's got to act on them to get vote. them to get my vote. >> yeah, think they all >> yeah, well, i think they all they're good actors. they're all pretty good actors. thank you much, david in thank you very much, david in watford, jonathan in cornwall, stephanie and stephanie in milton, keynes and lee bedford. you so lee in bedford. thank you so much your thoughts. right lee in bedford. thank you so much it's your thoughts. right lee in bedford. thank you so much it's timethoughts. right lee in bedford. thank you so much it's time nowghts. right lee in bedford. thank you so much it's time nowghtsourght lee in bedford. thank you so much it's time nowghtsour mini well, it's time now for our mini debate because a story debate because this is a story that caught the labour that caught my eye. the labour leader peter to pay paul leader robbing peter to pay paul with our private schools. so keir starmer, he's doubled down on plans to a 20% vat on plans to impose a 20% vat charge private schools charge on private schools despite u—turn on the despite doing a u—turn on the charitable status . now the charitable status. now the labour leader says that his policy will save what he calls an appalling state education.

yes whilst destroying a very good private one, i'd say. but let's see what my panel make of that. lizzie cundy. and actually and you one you teach. >> you teach. they look rather they look fantastic . it's worth they look fantastic. it's worth it. can i have your old ones? yeah.i it. can i have your old ones? yeah. i don't think you want them. matthew nasser. >> so, look, i mean, it wasn't ideal that the that the they decided to undermine one policy by withdrawing the plan to scrap charity status. i think that they've now i think they've reached a sensible point. look if you send your kids like 93% of british families, if you send your kids, that's over 9 in 10. let's remind ourselves to state school and you want to go and buy a computer for your kids, your child, you know, to work on you're paying vat on it. of course, pay vat on course, we all pay vat on everything, apart from food, children's clothes and books. so. it's perfectly sensible so. so it's perfectly sensible to and could raise to do that. and it could raise £1 that will go back £1 billion that will go back into education. into state education. >> on if the numbers into state education. >> the on if the numbers into state education. >> the same. if the numbers stay the same. >> no, no, no. that's even if some of state pupils back in. >> yeah, it's 1.4. they

>> yeah, it's 1.4. if they don't. no, they all stay. don't. no, no, they all stay. >> if their modelling >> that's if their modelling is correct, never is. correct, which it never is. lizzie what, this lizzie i tell you what, this makes feel sick, actually. makes me feel sick, actually. >> it does. and he's lost >> and it does. and he's lost the grasp of economic advisers to the government of private schools, hasn't he? yeah, he really has. and there are around it's 2600 independent schools . it's 2600 independent schools. educating 6015 thousand children. so it's easy to say savings to the treasury . what savings to the treasury. what he's doing, it doesn't work out . he's not done his maths properly. matthew at all. no. and when and it's going to really affect because it's going to affect the parents then who can't take their put their children into private schools and then they're going to go into schools which into the state schools which are going the school going to make the state school classes going to be classes bigger. it's going to be a disastrous and totally classes bigger. it's going to be a difair.rous and totally classes bigger. it's going to be a difair on s and totally classes bigger. it's going to be a difair on those totally classes bigger. it's going to be a difair on those thatotally classes bigger. it's going to be a difair on those that are ly classes bigger. it's going to be a difair on those that are the not fair on those that are the brightest and for the working class that have got a bright mind. and to go fonnard, it really is stopping aspirations . really is stopping aspirations. >> look, i think i don't think it is stopping aspirations because it's a very small minority pupils who go to

minority of pupils who go to private schools. that's irrelevant. >> that's not fair. >> that's not fair. >> no, no, no, no, no. and i think you've got it wrong because you're only thinking about private schools that like eton like that, there eton and places like that, there are educational are special educational needs, schools as well. and those schools as well. and those schools and people schools are private and people pay schools are private and people pay for them. and i find it i don't like hearing because don't like hearing that because that's their life that's one child and their life destroyed, their friends, their ecosystem keir ecosystem just because of keir starmer average his and starmer average and his and his number has gone wrong. number crunching has gone wrong. >> well, gone wrong. gone >> well, it's gone wrong. gone wrong at school, the cost wrong again at school, the cost of private schools gone up of private schools has gone up by of 10% over the by an average of 10% over the last few years. by an average of 10% over the lasiso w years. by an average of 10% over the lasiso w yeeshould 30 the >> so they should go up 30 the next time. >> doesn't get it, doesn't >> he doesn't get it, doesn't have doesn't understand. have so he doesn't understand. and going to persuade you. >> he's had the benefit of himself. you know, he went to state became himself. you know, he went to stgrammar became himself. you know, he went to stgrammar school became himself. you know, he went to stgrammar school beso ne a grammar school anyway, so yeah, but even when he was there and somebody and then somebody got a scholarship carry scholarship so he could carry on. so whilst he was there, somebody benefited an somebody he benefited from an education so education that was paid for. so he should keep mouth he should keep his mouth shut and he's robbing peter to pay paul and he's robbing peter to pay paul. he's basically paul. exactly. he's basically going mess up one thing going to mess up one thing that's and destroy the that's working and destroy the other right? it's other one anyway, right? it's time now for our quick fire quiz part of where i test my part of the show where i test my panel some of the other

panel on some of the other stories hitting headlines. stories hitting the headlines. i'm broadcaster i'm joined now by broadcaster and columnist and and columnist lizzie cundy and also adviser also former labour adviser lizzie and lizzie cundy, your brother and also adviser also former labour adviser matthew laterza. right. let's also former labour adviser matipleaseterza. right. let's also former labour adviser matiplease play. right. let's also former labour adviser matiplease play alongght. let's also former labour adviser matiplease play along at:. let's also former labour adviser matiplease play along at home. see. please play along at home. question one women's day, a women's peculiar pet made the headunes women's peculiar pet made the headlines this week after it was revealed that she carries a strange creature around with her to almost every event . but what to almost every event. but what is that animal? is it a turkey? b. is that animal? is it a turkey? b, an anaconda? or c , a b, an anaconda? or c, a miniature pony ? miniature pony? >> lizzie cundy i'm going to go for a c, a miniature pony. a miniature pony. >> matthew loves it. >> matthew loves it. >> anaconda. >> anaconda. let's >> anaconda. let's see >> anaconda. let's see you're >> anaconda. let's see if you're right. to be an iconic. right. it's got to be an iconic. how can you carry a mini pony? >> you make bring it >> you just make it bring it with her every in a field. what we could be. might not be a we could be. we might not be a farmers, it might be leaving we could be. we might not be a farncountry. it might be leaving the country. >> i live in the country. it might lot of my might be like a lot of my friends your daughters play might be like a lot of my friwyour your daughters play might be like a lot of my friwyour sons. your daughters play or your sons. >> this is for any event. well, right. michael right. question two michael gabon , a mini pony like gabon gabon, a mini pony like gabon unfortunately passed away. he's the most notable for his role as dumbledore and he also who

played professor dumbledore, who played professor dumbledore, who played professor dumbledore, who played professor dumbledore before michael was it a dub jacoby b, ian mckellen or c, richard harris ? i'll go with richard harris? i'll go with you, matthew. >> richard harris . >> richard harris. >> richard harris. >> he said it was richard harris i >> matthew ainsley you're absolutely correct. it was. richard harris right? question three airbnb modelled after three an airbnb modelled after which iconic movie location is now available to rent is it? a the disney castle? b shrek swamp , or c, the death star ? lizzie cundy. >> b shrek swamp . >> b shrek swamp. >> b shrek swamp. >> okay. and matthew, you have a pressure. buzzer >> c, the death star. >> c, the death star. >> the death star is. b, shrek's swamp . would either of you stay swamp. would either of you stay there? actually some of us live there. you might well, i might say hopefully got out today. >> i think i was married to shrek, so i would she's only joking joke. >> that's when she did panto right. question for a herd of sheep was found acting strangely this week after they did what 800 k of cannabis b fell into a vat of paint or c collectively he got electrocuted. i'll take

matthew lazo for a cannabis cannabis . let's see if he's cannabis. let's see if he's right. yes. 100g of cannabis kilograms . kilograms. that's a kilograms. kilograms. that's a lot. 100g. and finally, question five. one of the uk's most photographed trees was deliberately felled this week . deliberately felled this week. but which movie did the tree feature? was it a robin hood prince of thieves? b monty python and the holy grail. or c, lawrence arabia? lizzie lawrence of arabia? lizzie cundy, a prince of thieves. >> prince of thieves. >> prince of thieves. >> i would go for that too. >> i would go for that too. >> you would go for that? but you didn't press your buzzer, so . and lizzie cundy, are . and lizzie cundy, you are right. are today's winner, right. you are today's winner, lizzie listen, on today's show , well, listen, on today's show, he's very so badly . he's very upset so badly. sponsorship of you on today's show. i've been asking should the but out of the the church. but out of the migration debate, according to our poll, 86% you say our twitter poll, 86% of you say yes. 13.7% of you say no . thank yes. 13.7% of you say no. thank you to my panel. broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy , thank you very much. and cundy, thank you very much. and also know former labour adviser matthew lazor. thank you. it's always a pleasure. thank you very much. and also a huge thank you to you at home. i'll be joining you tomorrow at the same

time, same place. make sure you join me joining me tomorrow will be we'll have got i've got the fabulous christine hamilton and also danny kelly. enjoy. take care. i'll leave you with the weather forecast. have a fabulous weekend. and don't forget, us live on forget, you can catch us live on youtube download the gb news youtube or download the gb news app youtube or download the gb news app . hello youtube or download the gb news app. hello i'm youtube or download the gb news app . hello i'm marco petagna. app. hello i'm marco petagna. >> here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk over the next few days. and windy weather days. some wet and windy weather at times, but equally some warm spells we've spells of sunshine, too. we've got moving in from got low pressure moving in from the at the moment. the southwest at the moment. that's current that's bringing the current band of into of wet and windy weather into the north west of the uk. the north and west of the uk. and head through and certainly as we head through the into the overnight the evening into the overnight period, further outbreaks wet the evening into the overnight perinwindyther outbreaks wet the evening into the overnight perinwindy weatheryreaks wet the evening into the overnight perinwindy weather moving wet the evening into the overnight perinwindy weather moving north and windy weather moving north and windy weather moving north and areas, and eastwards across many areas, becoming confined towards becoming mainly confined towards the into the north—east of scotland into the north—east of scotland into the early hours of sunday and also trailing weather front, also a trailing weather front, bringing rain to bringing a band of heavy rain to parts wales, north—west parts of wales, north—west england north midlands england and the north midlands too. in the clearer slots towards south—east. a towards the south—east. it's a pretty night. pretty warm and muggy night.

temperatures than 16 or temperatures no lower than 16 or 17 celsius in a few spots, a little bit fresher towards the north and northeast. but as for sunday, see a three sunday, well, we'll see a three way split. that band rain way split. that band of rain continuing to affect central continuing to affect the central slice of the uk, northern england, wales england, parts of wales certainly few heavy certainly seeing a few heavy bursts that rain bursts of rain. that rain gradually easing as we go through the day towards the south—east. picture south—east. a brighter picture and and 1 or showers and sunshine and 1 or 2 showers towards north and northwest towards the north and northwest . but sunshine in the . but in the sunshine in the south—east, temperatures doing . but in the sunshine in the southellst, temperatures doing . but in the sunshine in the southellst, “the jeratures doing . but in the sunshine in the southellst, “the timejres doing . but in the sunshine in the southellst, “the time ofs doing . but in the sunshine in the southellst, “the time of year1g very well for the time of year into locally mid into the low locally towards mid 2023 or celsius, 24 is 75in 2023 or 24 celsius, 24 is 75in fahrenheit. and even towards the north, not bad at 17 or 18 degrees. that band of rain continues to affect that central slice of the uk on monday. if anything, pepping up for a time again. further heavy bursts again. so further heavy bursts of rain here at times again brighter the south—east brighter towards the south—east and brighter the and brighter towards the north—west. as we head into north—west. and as we head into tuesday and wednesday, it's a case sunshine showers and case of sunshine and showers and fairly

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all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from aaron armstrong i >> -- >> it is 6:00. good evening to you, aaron. armstrong here in the newsroom. the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the world yesterday has been named as stephen shrimpton. the 40 year old's family the father two family says the father of two suffered issues the suffered medical issues at the wheel of coach. they've paid wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute, describing him as a loving father. 15 loving husband and father. 15 year jessica baker also died year old jessica baker also died in crash and four other in the crash and four other children were taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy whose injuries are said be whose injuries are said to be life changing. convicted child life changing. a convicted child rapist said to be a high risk sex offender is wanted by lancashire police . the force lancashire police. the force says 35 year old stephen pennington presents a real risk to children and women . he failed to children and women. he failed to children and women. he failed to comply with licence conditions and being recalled to pnson conditions and being recalled to prison . he has links to prison. he has links to blackburn, blackpool and wigan and police are asking anyone who