of canterbury up the archbishop of canterbury . sorry wokery sorry canterbury's offer to meet to discuss migration despite the distractions , we still need a distractions, we still need a minister for men and rishi sunak attempt to teach pupils maths till they're 18 is a serious miscalculation . miscalculation. >> it's 7 pm. and this is the. saturday five. well come to the saturday five. the best saturday night takeaway that you could order. and tonight it's two for the price of one. as we're serving you a special extended saturday five. expect fiery debate, spicy opinions and a huge topping of fun . every week you join i'll be fun. every week you join i'll be emily and myself along with a guest star. tonight we've got two diane spencer and lewis oakley. >> we do indeed. now it's been a week thicker than a brussel bureaucrats rule book, hasn't it? but guess what? it is

saturday night. so why not strap yourself in? we're kicking off with a proper barnstormer of a row as usual. once we've got that all off our chests, we'll swerve into some light hearted banter . that's as shameless as banter. that's as shameless as a politician caught fibbing. are you ready ? let's get this show you ready? let's get this show on the road. and of course, we want to know your views as well. please do get in touch as usual. email us, gb views at gbnews.com. us on social gbnews.com. get us on social media gb news. before we media at gb news. but before we start each other apart, start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with . aaron with. aaron >> very good evening to you, aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. the family of the school coach driver who died in a crash on the wirral yesterday have described loving have described him as a loving husband and they say husband and father. they say stephen shrimpton suffered medical at the wheel of medical issues at the wheel of the coach. the 40 year old was a father to two children, 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital , were taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy

whose injuries are said to be life changing. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes. former prime minister liz truss and sir iain duncan smith, former party leader , are amongst former party leader, are amongst those who have signed up along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises . putting further tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt, the chancellor has told the times today he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes , but has ruled out cuts in taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as

long as i am a member of parliament. >> meanwhile, the prime minister says he is slamming the brakes on the war on motorists as rishi sunak has arrived in manchester ahead of tomorrow's party conference is expected to address the issue this week. he told the sun harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones are being forced on drivers. the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . the blanket use in england. the aslef union has denied that today's train strikes are politically motivated after the government said it was planned to coincide with the tory party conference. train drivers at 16 operators in england walked out in a long running dispute. many parts of the country had no services at all and those that did run finished earlier than usual. did run finished earlier than usual . hundreds of demonstrators usual. hundreds of demonstrators have staged a protest against the rosebank offshore development . they were rallying development. they were rallying in central london earlier, demanding the government

reconsider approval for the controversial oil field. it's located 80 miles west of shetland and is the uk's largest untapped field. it's estimated to contain up to 300 million barrels of oil . this is gb news barrels of oil. this is gb news is on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker, too . on your smart speaker, too. that's it from me for the moment. back in an hour now. it's over to the saturday five a i >> thanks, aaron. it's saturday night. i am emily carver and this is the saturday five. so let's crack on with the show. first up, it's darren who's got a few things to say about our taxpayer funded national broadcaster gtr. it's time for grime time . grime time. >> yes. >> yes. >> talking about the bbc, something new way. lo and behold , though, the bbc newsnight suddenly had epiphany , they suddenly had an epiphany, they confessed that they could have done better on impartiality. dunng done better on impartiality. during a panel packed with hysterical hyaena is calling for gb news to be shut down. it's

akin to a football referee owning up to a dodgy call after his own lad nets the winning goal his own lad nets the winning goal. right. you're a d and a pound short b c and what's next? a heartfelt apology for allegedly sending a car for russell brand . s nocturnal russell brand. s nocturnal adventures with a teenager . and adventures with a teenager. and let's not even start on your cinematic rerun of jimmy savile, a veritable monument to your own sordid history. but still, they think the bbc think they can lecture to everybody else. adam boulton , formerly of sky news, boulton, formerly of sky news, was on the beeb, calling for us to be shut down. could it be that angry? adam is a bit miffed . gb news is soaring, rocketing up . gb news is soaring, rocketing “p by . gb news is soaring, rocketing up by 500, according to press gazette. and i'm not gloating. or maybe i'm gloating a smidgen, but could it be that shutting down a successful competitor here may well suit the man ? and here may well suit the man? and let's have a moment for caroline nokes, an mp so obsessed with trans self—id that she's clearly

choosing to self id as a tory mp, despite being a lib dem, she told the bbc she doesn't appear on gb news despite appearing nine times as nine times. maybe she doesn't know what a woman is because she's suffering some form of memory loss . who knows form of memory loss. who knows the truth is that the wrinkled old elite of broadcasting would throw a street party if gb news folded. but here is the kicker . folded. but here is the kicker. first they ignored us. then on they ridiculed us. now they're going after us with pitchforks because we're winning. thanks to you, the british people , you you, the british people, you aren't letting these uppercrust snobs dictate your news diet. they tried to shove us aside like they did with our brexit vote. but we're not going anywhere . so get used to it. and anywhere. so get used to it. and frankly , bring it on. who thank frankly, bring it on. who thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> i mean, it's been quite the week, emily. i'm sure you'd

agree. you've been on the telly more than the adverts . more than the adverts. >> it has been quite the week . >> it has been quite the week. and we're talking about the bbc here and i found it quite astounding, actually, the lack of balance on that bbc newsnight panel. of balance on that bbc newsnight panel . it seemed to be their panel. it seemed to be their leading story , yet they couldn't leading story, yet they couldn't find someone who would be on the side of a free press. it was quite extraordinary. we know we are off ofcom regulated . every are off ofcom regulated. every broadcaster is in this country and for someone like adam boulton, who i used to have a huge amount of respect for, can come out and say that it should be shut down. and then he said the same thing on another broadcast or two, and i'm just scratching my head here because i thought no one was watching gb news news. so are so bothered? >> indeed. i mean, diane, did you think. hang on a minute, adam. you've gone far. adam. you've gone way too far. bbc, newsnight. way bbc, newsnight. you've gone way too mean, i've seen more too far. i mean, i've seen more balance on chinese communist party assembly. you know what the bbc's always been like this,

though. >> i don't know the amount of time you see. i do a lot of driving as a comic and the amount of times i'm sat in the car and the news comes on and i'm yelling at the radio, that's not news. that's the bbc internal email. like the recently the top story on radio four was about, oh , now, thanks four was about, oh, now, thanks to the gary lineker debacle , to the gary lineker debacle, we've sent this thing round and it's like, no, that's an internal email, darling. that's not the news. >> you're listening to gb news radio because i've got an old car right? >> i haven't got dab radio i'm in a nissan micra if i'm on a overtake anyone i have to book it in and send them an email. >> it's true actually the car i drive doesn't have dab radio. i need to get an upgrade, i need to get an upgrade. >> an ev. >> an ev. >> yeah. need to get an ev. that's the only thing that's going be allowed in london going to be allowed in london anyway. soon so yes, eve next with a dab radio can watch with a dab radio so i can watch radio single moment of the day. >> but i mean i'll be your someone who has enjoyed being on bbc panels in the past right you

are someone a bit more sympathetic. i think about the bbc toward the bbc than maybe the rest of us are . but you must the rest of us are. but you must have been watching it . even you. have been watching it. even you. i'll be. that's why the beeb. >> that's why i was so disappointed with the bbc newsnight because i think newsnight panel because i think what love cherish what people love and cherish about is that balance. about the bbc is that balance. when it does work, it doesn't always diane you're always work. diane you're totally out that totally right to point out that there are times that the bbc is not impartial and they displayed that earlier on that on newsnight earlier on this with adam this week with with adam boulton, caroline nokes and whoever was. whoever the third person was. i mean, how they couldn't just just come in to say that the bbc. >> sorry to interrupt, but the bbc has said that they did try to get some balance. well, they didn't they didn't they didn't call me. they didn't they didn't call me. they didn't they did got our did admit they've got our number, did admit that number, but they did admit that they hard enough. they didn't try hard enough. >> well, they clearly >> yeah, well, they clearly didn't at all. didn't try very hard at all. >> well, didn't. >> well, they didn't. >> well, they didn't. >> have emily and i appear >> they have emily and i appear on bbc shows. would not have on bbc shows. it would not have been for a producer from been hard for a producer from the bbc to call someone from gb news good morning britain news like good morning britain did that show give

did to go on that show and give the side of the argument. the other side of the argument. and didn't do that. and they didn't do that. >> lewis on a broadly on a philosophical i guess, philosophical point, i guess, do you think is troubling for you think is it troubling for you think is it troubling for you as someone that assume you as someone that i assume believes that believes in press freedom, that you state broadcaster you see the state broadcaster with massive monopoly backed with a massive monopoly backed by licence calling for by the licence fee calling for what is essentially media censorship ? censorship? >> oh, yeah, i think it is. and i think that what the bbc struggles that you at struggles with that you guys at gb have really got down is gb news have really got down is having the conversations that people having up and down people are having up and down the living the country in their living rooms. i've been rooms. whenever i've been invited the bbc or invited on to the bbc or whenever i pitch something that is a topic to go on, i've is a news topic to go on, i've always found it's all through a specific kind of london bubble lens, doesn't really lens, and that doesn't really resonate. think that that resonate. and i think that that is probably their issue, that is probably their issue, is that , some , look, there are some discussions go on on this discussions that go on on this channel agree with, channel that i don't agree with, but that's why we have the discussions, right? whereas i think bbc they just think on the bbc they just wouldn't have the discussion at all representative all and it's not representative of being said up and of what is being said up and down country. down the country. >> well, i don't understand. is how any how they don't have any self—awareness or don't appear to self—awareness .

to have much self—awareness. this channel that's been this is a channel that's been around what, years? if around for what, two years? if you just decided based on one unfortunate incident, to shut down a broadcaster, then we wouldn't have a broadcasting landscape or a broadcast ecology. as adam boulton said. so it's just absolute nonsense . so it's just absolute nonsense. yes, and i'm sorry, but this channel stands for free speech within an obviously ofcom regulation because that's what has to happen in this country and we should respect that and also respect people's right to speak. >> you see, what i found hypocritical in particular about adam boulton is that he talks about this broadcast ecology, as he put it, as a current times radio presenter , which is a new radio presenter, which is a new media organisation . as a former media organisation. as a former sky news presenter, which was a new media organisation back in the noughties, you know, he is a product of new media organisations, so why is he calling for a new media organisation to be shut down so we don't get the opportunities that he has? we don't get the opportunities tha well, as? we don't get the opportunities tha well, i'll tell you why. it's >> well, i'll tell you why. it's because of essentially aaron. aaron adam boulton is a snob in my opinion . i

aaron adam boulton is a snob in my opinion. i think the man smacks of pomposity and actually he looks down at the likes of gb news and the people who are watching it. >> yeah, of course, of course. a lot of people enjoy adam boulton have enjoyed him over the years , have respected him over the years. if you judge him by his viewing figures, mean he viewing figures, i mean he probably more a children's probably get more a children's picnic . picnic. >> i've been interviewed by adam before i had he was before and i had he was perfectly nice to me and i listened to his times radio show occasionally. but i think the way spoken gb way that he has spoken about gb news has been really disappointing. >> it's just been so over the top. yeah, absolutely. ludic joyously top. joyously over the top. >> fear ? are they scared? >> is it fear? are they scared? >> is it fear? are they scared? >> well, i think it is. i think they thought gb news would be around for maybe year. it around for maybe a year. it wouldn't get viewers because wouldn't get any viewers because there's so many other programmes that into so that people can tune into so many broadcasters many other broadcasters as it will a flop and it hasn't will be a flop and it hasn't been. and it's a it's a proper competitor . competitor. >> well, i think that these people forget as well when they're shrieking and hollering is that there's a whole huge

fleet people behind us. we fleet of people behind us. we are like us five here. we need that whole huge room of people that whole huge room of people that the viewers can't see. and their jobs are here that the viewers can't see. and theirjobs are here as that the viewers can't see. and their jobs are here as well . and their jobs are here as well. and they don't agree with everything that's said on the channel. and just because there's a few things are said that are wrong and yes, ofcom should investigate because that's what ofcom are there for. but that doesn't mean that you should suddenly shut down an entire channel that's trying to bring balance to this landscape . balance to this landscape. >> i also think for adam, you know, if, if, if he has his way, his viewers aren't going to go to the viewers aren't going to go to him anyway. so yeah. >> so stay with us. >> so stay with us. >> yes. >> yes. >> anyhow , up next, it's albee >> anyhow, up next, it's albee and albee thinks that black brits should be black, british and proud . it's time for albee's and proud. it's time for albee's argument . argument. >> i most certainly do. this week , a survey which i found week, a survey which i found quite shocking of 10,000 black brits found that the majority of black britons do not feel proud to be british. now, look, i have

always said there are racial disparities to close in britain , whether or not they're in health care , in employment or in health care, in employment or in criminal justice outcomes. but despite that, i am black, british and proud , and i think british and proud, and i think more of us should be. and here's why. commonwealth migrants like my grandparents moved to this country in the mid 20th century to contribute fruit to our economy, our culture, our our arts and our public service is like the nhs. their descendants like the nhs. their descendants like me continue to that contribution today , doing things contribution today, doing things that our ancestors never thought black people in britain could do . you were in parliament in offices like the foreign office. the foreign secretary , james the foreign secretary, james cleverly, is a black man. our former chancellor kwasi kwarteng, although he didn't last that long, is a fellow ghanaian and black like me. the amazing kemi badenoch is a business secretary. we're running british national treasures like john lewis, and we're winning medals and

breaking records like sumo . for breaking records like sumo. for now, we have so much to be proud aboutin now, we have so much to be proud about in this country. and of course , there are things about course, there are things about britain which i dislike. there are things that people dislike about britain that i'm sure you don't like about britain at home as well, but you're still proud to be from this country and that's why i think more people should be black, british and proud and why that survey does not does not reflect my feelings about this country. and we should really all feel proud to be british. look, i. i wonder, diane , if i have got this diane, if i have got this totally wrong, because i've always been really proud to be british. i've never felt this this dissociation from being british, but clearly lots of black people in this country do . why do you think that is? well i don't know. >> i mean, i only really got my sense of being british when i actually emigrated and i lived in new zealand for four years.

and when i was away from my own culture and away from being british, i suddenly of felt british, i suddenly sort of felt what it was weird. what it was. and it was weird. and when i back, i was and when i came back, i was like, oh my god, i'm back. i need double egg. double bacon, a cup of coffee. suddenly cup of coffee. and suddenly i got, really angry about got, like, really angry about the traffic. and i was like, oh, it's be back. but it's good to be back. but i don't know why. i mean, obviously, like when i've spoken to my friends who are black and they have, you know, different sort of lineages and they say, oh yeah, my aunties ghana oh yeah, my aunties from ghana and and my i'm and things like that. and my i'm scottish and but i've scottish nigerian and but i've never actually asked them, are you proud to be british? because it's a weird question. i wouldn't ask my white friends if they're proud to be british. wouldn't asian friends if wouldn't ask my asian friends if they it's interesting how they would. it's interesting how many people were in this survey . 10,000. >> there were 10,000 people out of the 10,000. >> all of them? >> all of them? >> so it was it was it was >> no. so it was it was it was the majority of black britons didn't proud be british. didn't feel proud to be british. i was i think it was i think it was i think it was 51. so it was a small majority, roughly 5050. but still, i to think around 50% of black

think that around 50% of black people are not proud to be british something which british is something which surprises me. another thing which me, darren, and surprises me. another thing “think me, darren, and surprises me. another thing “think we me, darren, and surprises me. another thing “think we can me, darren, and surprises me. another thing “think we can gete, darren, and surprises me. another thing “think we can get aniarren, and surprises me. another thing “think we can get an imageand surprises me. another thing “think we can get an image ofi i think we can get an image of the saint george's cross. i'm going out of my going to pull it out of my magical that lot of magical hat is that a lot of people do not associate a lot of black people don't associate with english. they see with being english. they see being english and the english flag as being associate covid with do you think with whiteness. do you think that only white people can be engush that only white people can be english and that black people can't ? can't? >> no, absolutely not. no. and to be honest with you, i'll be i think the whole denigration of what it means to be british is an import from the united states of america . right. where of america. right. where actually not just black people, but a whole swathes of people are being told that actually to be british is to be bad , be british is to be bad, inherently evil. a unique evil to the world when actually i, you know, obviously reject that in every way, shape or form form. so i don't like that this is happening. but i'm afraid to say it is the natural occurrence

that that comes from importing culture wars from the united states . right? states. right? >> yeah. i think also what's quite interesting is if you ask that question in to young people of all ethnicities , white, of all ethnicities, white, asian, black, black, you might get a similar response. and i think that's totally depressing. and i think it's because we do and i don't think this is overstated. and we do often concentrate on the negatives of our history. a lot of people you hear say britain doesn't have a culture, you know, and it does it's all of the things that we've come to know. our history of liberal democracy, the christian background of the country, sports , country, music, sports, inventions, the way we live essentially is part of british culture. that is british culture. that is british culture. and i think there needs to be more , more you know, it to be more, more you know, it sounds a bit cheesy, but celebration of what has made britain great and not always concentrating on the negatives. i think a lot of people think, you we're a country

i >> we but why do you think they think that? louis because. because, yes, of course, we did want have the biggest empire want to have the biggest empire in lots people want to have the biggest empire in that. lots people want to have the biggest empire in that. but)ts people want to have the biggest empire in that. but not people want to have the biggest empire in that. but not many)le want to have the biggest empire in that. but not many people know that. but not many people knew know that. we also knew that. we know that. we also led world in abolishing led the world in abolishing slavery. aren't we slavery. so why aren't we talking things equally and talking about things equally and properly? well, you what properly? well, do you know what i in this situation? i ask in this situation? >> are the grandparents? >> where are the grandparents? i know that seems but as know that seems odd, but as someone is mixed race who someone that is mixed race who physically if it physically would not exist if it weren't two generations of weren't for two generations of black people loving weren't for two generations of blackother, people loving weren't for two generations of blackother, pectogether g weren't for two generations of blackother, pectogether and each other, working together and living country, living in this country, i wouldn't here. and my wouldn't be here. and my granddad, who part the granddad, who was part of the windrush generation, me windrush generation, told me what it was like when he came to the much those people the uk and how much those people have changed country. you have changed the country. you know, the better. have changed the country. you knothe the better. have changed the country. you knothe better. the better. have changed the country. you knothe better. yeah e better. have changed the country. you knothe better. yeah so etter. have changed the country. you knothe better. yeah so and'. for the better. yeah so and i think that's the thing, you know, you don't have some of the, the horrific stories he told about, know told me about, you know not being allowed in certain bars because colour of your being allowed in certain bars beca and colour of your being allowed in certain bars beca and being colour of your being allowed in certain bars beca and being chasede your being allowed in certain bars beca and being chased downr being allowed in certain bars beca and being chased down the skin and being chased down the streets with that still streets with weapons. that still happens. near as happens. but nowhere near as common it as it did then. and common as it as it did then. and i think that makes you feel i think that that makes you feel proud aspect of, well, proud from that aspect of, well, we've changed the country for

the and, you know, we're we've changed the country for theside and, you know, we're we've changed the country for theside by and, you know, we're we've changed the country for theside by side. you know, we're we've changed the country for theside by side. and know, we're we've changed the country for theside by side. and how, we're we've changed the country for theside by side. and i thinkie're all side by side. and i think that of not being able to that kind of not being able to see or not having anyone there to tell you this is how it to tell you like this is how it used be. and i'm not used to be. and i'm not diminishing that. know, diminishing that. you know, things aren't but things aren't perfect, but i think if you could see kind think that if you could see kind of things have changed in of how things have changed in just 50, years, you just the last 50, 60 years, you would feel proud of what would really feel proud of what we've achieved. >> louis, i didn't you >> and louis, i didn't know you were mixed but do you were mixed race, but do you think anything think there's anything in darren's about darren's argument about the importation of american style race relations, things like critical blm critical race theory and blm focusing in focusing on the differences in society that perhaps making society that are perhaps making respondents particular respondents today, in particular after all of that black lives matter stuff in 2020 feel less positive about being british than might have done in than they might have done in 2019 blm? yeah i think 2019 before blm? yeah i think there is. >> they when america >> they say when america sneezes, get a cold. and sneezes, we get a cold. and i think that because we can understand they understand them and they all speak i think speak english, i think those ideals come and it's not ideals do come over and it's not exactly the the majority exactly the case. the majority of are in the us of people that are in the us that are black are probably descendants of slaves where it's not the case here. people came here. setup. here. so it's a different setup. it's different thing. again, it's a different thing. again, not but but i do think

not perfect, but but i do think that the culture is very different. so you i don't different. so you know, i don't know past it. i think know how we get past it. i think it comes with, you know , people it comes with, you know, people understanding the british understanding that the british history of black people , but, history of black people, but, you know, also listening to them as well, that it's not perfect . as well, that it's not perfect. that's the thing. >> diane, how do you respond to what louis been saying? >> diane, how do you respond to what i)uis been saying? >> diane, how do you respond to what i question)een saying? >> diane, how do you respond to what i question)een sayiit's well, i question whether it's more do with nationalism than more to do with nationalism than race, because as you said, you know, you use that phrase, we did this, we did that. >> i mean, we are sat here and we sort of organise what we were going to say. that's what we did. but in the past we, you know, that big we that kind of encompasses what our country doesis encompasses what our country does is and the whole idea of nationalism , um, has sort of nationalism, um, has sort of been lost because we've lost faith in the system, we've lost faith in the system, we've lost faith in the system, we've lost faith in our royals, for example, you know, you find out that the prince charles is having an affair and he's actually a very grumpy man, kind of can't use a pen and you get angry at the royals. you've got harry and meghan , you go, what harry and meghan, you go, what

is this? it's all falling apart. and the politicians just seem to lie us raise our taxes. lie to us and raise our taxes. so because you lose faith in the system and they represent the british establishment, i think how much is it nationalism to not do with race? >> yeah, there's a lot to do with that. right. but still to come tonight, i've got a message for suella braverman the kava for suella braverman in the kava palaver. thinks men do palaver. lewis thinks men do need own and need their own minister, and diane's concerned rishi sunaks policies aren't quite adding up. you're at the saturday five live on

listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always. cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics . so on the eve tonight's topics. so on the eve argument, emily suggested by and won, neil's written in and he says, emily, please don't get an eve. they are not the future. and if you watched uncensored in full, you'd know that there's a fire issue from unstable batteries. then terry says

batteries. but then terry says told says about your dab told terry says about your dab radio that you want in this electric car. he says it'll put so much drain on your battery that you'll hardly get to the main road. that you'll hardly get to the ma so oad. that you'll hardly get to the ma so that's true, isn't it? >> so that's true, isn't it? >> so that's true, isn't it? >> weren't there of people >> weren't there cases of people couldn't on? couldn't put the heating on? remember when it got really cold and had to choose and they had to choose between heating to drive, heating or being able to drive, you a few miles? you know, a few miles? >> i mean, they go it's quite something on the bbc gb news something on the bbc and gb news rao this week , julie's rao earlier this week, julie's written the written in, she says the newsnight was shocking. >> really? i think all agree >> really? i think we all agree on barbara says. i've on that, barbara says. i've complained to caroline nokes walk joke , no reply. walk joke, no reply. i've complained to rishi sunak about caroline nokes. no reply. well you're going to have to wait longer than that. >> you might get one. you might get one in a couple of months time . time. >> and then on i'll be segment they on being black, british and proud, says. it makes me proud, john says. it makes me sad people don't sad that some black people don't feel they have share in feel that they have a share in our culture. how can we our british culture. how can we fix though? it seems like fix this, though? it seems like such a sensitive topic. that's a good it, that good point, isn't it, that people don't feel they people just don't feel that they can about that they've

can even talk about that they've got to talk about these things. >> if we talk about them, >> if we don't talk about them, we're not going find we're not going to find solutions. that this solutions. so i'm glad that this research come out. now research has come out. but now let's all solve it. yeah, now, now, up next. >> it's emily, and emily >> then it's emily, and emily has got a wee bit of advice for suella braverman. time suella braverman. it's time for the carver palaver. >> yes. >> yes. >> i'm not sure she's listening. >> yes. >> i might sure she's listening. >> yes. >> i might sure sia s listening. >> yes. >> imight sure sia popularng. this might not be a popular view, but i think suella braverman should speak to the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, about immigration. it's been reported so far she's been reported that so far she's said no thank you to the offer to meet with him. so now perhaps it's not unsurprising that she's too not interested in taking up the opportunity. she's a busy woman and welby hasn't exactly been her biggest cheerleader, has he's wasted no has he? in fact, he's wasted no time all telling world time at all telling the world how plans to stop the how evil her plans to stop the boats are. he branded her plans to deport migrants rwanda as to deport migrants to rwanda as morally unacceptable and even against the judgement of god . against the judgement of god. and he also said the use of the word invasion to describe those crossing the channel is harmful rhetoric . nick so crossing the channel is harmful rhetoric. nick so again, crossing the channel is harmful rhetoric . nick so again, it's rhetoric. nick so again, it's hardly a surprise that she's not

in a rush to sit down with the man. surely there's no point man. but surely there's no point only speaking to people who agree with you. it could even be agree with you. it could even be a to find some common a chance to find some common ground. if i were suella braverman, i'd quite like to ask him whether he believes him whether he even believes in borders, thinks it's borders, whether he thinks it's realistic for the west to provide home to anyone from provide a home to anyone from anywhere who wants to come here. if says to that, i'd ask if he says no to that, i'd ask what limits should be, in what the limits should be, in his view, considering net migration was what, 600,000 plus last year and while she's at it, what would he do to stop the boats if indeed he wants to? so stubborn suella it may be the last thing in world you want last thing in the world you want to do. and i know you're very busy indeed, but you'd go up, in my somewhat if you my estimation, somewhat if you were person and had were the bigger person and had a cup of tea with justin. well, there you go. >> what do you think? >> emily, what do you think? >> emily, what do you think? >> sounds something. it >> sounds like something. it sounds like an argument i would >> sounds like something. it soundsdide an argument i would >> sounds like something. it soundsdid you argument i would >> sounds like something. it soundsdid you missnent i would >> sounds like something. it soundsdid you miss met i would >> sounds like something. it soundsdid you miss me last'ould >> sounds like something. it soundsdid you miss me last week? make. did you miss me last week? >> i did you >> well, i did miss you terribly. >> well you're not here >> yes. well you're not here last week? >> i was in ibiza. oh, of course. >> he was in ibiza. all right. for some, you're looking well

for it. >> you're looking. you're looking well for it. >> you know what? i just think that suella braverman is a controversial character. yeah lots of people vehemently disagree with her, and a lot of people slag her off for her rhetoric. one of those people is justin welby, so why not meet him for tea, hash over, try him for tea, hash it over, try and find perhaps even a little bit of common ground , because i bit of common ground, because i believe most people are fundamentally good people , don't fundamentally good people, don't you think, darren? >> well, i think the man's wetter than the not as pocket and there's absolutely no point in wasting suella braverman time with this. he might as well be a lib dem parish councillor. he's so useless. honestly i think justin welby should be occupying his time in saving the church of england, the established church of this country . england, the established church of this country. i don't think you do that telling people you do that by telling people the of this country who the majority of this country who actually border controls actually want border controls that they are going against god. i think that's a deeply divisive thing to say, actually. but you're saying that so diane shouldn't he be challenged on

what he's saying? >> shouldn't suella braverman . >> shouldn't suella braverman. yeah. meet him to challenge him? yeah. >> and the challenge she can lay down is tell you what, you go stand at the english channel part the and whoever can part the sea and whoever can then walk across will let them in was clearly the in because that was clearly the judgement of god. i mean, the only reason why i think suella braverman should sit down with justin because that man justin welby is because that man being very high up the being very high up in the church, knows a good church, knows what a good chutney he also knows chutney is. he also knows what good he's had to try good cake is. he's had to try them all. he's had to rank them all. given out thousands of all. he's given out thousands of awards that's awards for courgettes. that's the suella the only reason why suella braverman should her time braverman should waste her time and with him to have a nice and meet with him to have a nice carrot cake. >> he is one of >> but given that he is one of the most senior clergymen in the country, know the archbishop the most senior clergymen in the co canterburyznow the archbishop the most senior clergymen in the co canterbury and the archbishop the most senior clergymen in the co canterbury and suella:hbishop of canterbury and suella braverman is one of the most senior in this senior politicians in this country, secretary, senior politicians in this couni actually secretary, senior politicians in this couniactually have tary, they actually both have a fundamental role to play within our politics. i mean, the archbishop has got a seat in the house of lords, for example. if we're going to have bishops in the house of lords occupied our legislature, you think legislature, don't you think there opinions? there should be making opinions? and politicians and don't you think politicians

should no should engage with them? no because elected. because he's not elected. >> no one elected him. that's it's of business. it's none of his business. >> we've got bishops >> that's why we've got bishops in lords. in the lords. >> get louis opinion on >> let's get louis opinion on this because i can this one, because i can understand sides on this. i understand both sides on this. i think mine might a bit of an think mine might be a bit of an unpopular opinion tonight, which is rare, of course. but louis, do you know what he's he's saying all of this negative stuff policies, stuff about her policies, perhaps he has a perhaps sometimes he has a point. perhaps sometimes he has. absolutely but don't absolutely no point. but don't you think suella braverman, if she spoke to someone like justin welby, who does represent not a lot people's view, he does. lot of people's view, he does. he does. he does. you know, no, he doesn't . more people support he doesn't. more people support suella braverman but some suella braverman. but some people justin and people do supportjustin and justin sounds so colloquial, but but but don't you think it's a goodidea? but but don't you think it's a good idea? no no, i don't think it's a good idea. >> i think what you're what you're proposing is basically a pr move. it'll look good if she goes and does. it's not to going solve the problem, is it? he's not to change his mind. not going to change his mind. and don't think if she and i don't even think if she brought him on board, it's not

like all of a sudden she's going to get all this extra support. but she's not bothered. she wants prime she's wants to be prime minister she's not eternal not worried about her eternal soul. have to it. soul. she's not have to do it. she i just don't see what the point her. and he's not point is for her. and he's not elected and it's no one voted for him. >> yeah. no one voted for him. and bizarre because >> yeah. no one voted for him. andwhole bizarre because >> yeah. no one voted for him. andwhole idea zarre because >> yeah. no one voted for him. andwhole idea of're because >> yeah. no one voted for him. andwhole idea of religion|se >> yeah. no one voted for him. andwhole idea of religion is the whole idea of religion is that pay your credit and you that you pay your credit and you get what's you. that's get what's owed to you. that's the whole point of religion. you pay the whole point of religion. you pay your you get what's pay your credit, you get what's owed. there's a lot of owed. well, there's a lot of people country who are people in the country who are paying people in the country who are paying credits and they paying their credits and they want a working system. want a working health system. they that work. they they want roads that work. they want and they're want housing, and they're not getting like, this getting any of it. so like, this is suella has to it is why suella has to sort it out. but having the guy who wants friend in sky to wants his friend in the sky to fix well, this is what this fix it, well, this is what this is why i think she should challenge him, because he he he seems to say, you know, europe should just open its arms to anyone come here. anyone who wants to come here. >> think totally >> i think that is totally ridiculous. unsustained attainable unrealistic attainable and unrealistic on many levels. surely many different levels. so surely he should should take him to he should she should take him to task. >> i agree. emily, look, i'm with this 100. with you on this point 100. i think just on on principle, if

the archbishop of canterbury asks for a meeting , the home asks for a meeting, the home secretary should grant him that meeting should have meeting and they should have a conversation and then move on. >> about if it was the king >> what about if it was the king >> what about if it was the king >> well, just about what about if the king says just about what? >> about like the head of the jedps? >> because that was a religion in the did you know that in the 70s. did you know that jedi's aren't real? >> no, because load of >> no, no, because a load of people census put that people in the census put that their religion was jedi and had to become a real religion. >> so the of the >> so whoever the head of the jedi's if they jedi's is, what if they requested a meeting? >> christians might find >> some christians might find that offensive dyad. no, no. that offensive dyad. no, no, no. you're talking religion. you're talking about religion. >> religion >> well, what every religion should would say even should have, i would say even louis the king should have, i would say even lou even the king should have, i would say even lou even if the king should have, i would say even lou even if the the king should have, i would say even loueven if the king�* king should have, i would say even lou even if the king does say, >> even if the king does say, look, i want with you, look, i want a word with you, suella about zero, for suella about net zero, for example, i don't think she should listen to him. right. i don't think she suddenly don't think she should suddenly decide to change her mind. but that's not what we're asking. >> i'm not i'm saying suella >> i'm not i'm not saying suella should and i'm should change her mind, and i'm saying she should meet with him and have conversation, that's all. >> well, let's see what people at think that one. at home think about that one. >> absolutely. absolutely.

>> absolutely. absolutely. >> still ahead, >> right now, still ahead, oakley outraged oakley is going to get outraged by minister for men by how a minister for men has actually overlooked actually been overlooked this week. diane's will week. and diane's debacle will calculate whether sunak calculate whether rishi sunak school add up. school maths policy is add up. you're with the saturday five live .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. now, this i've had some mixed reviews when it came to my monologue there on suella braverman meeting with justin welby, the archbishop of canterbury , kathy says they say canterbury, kathy says they say a problem shared is a problem halved. suella issues with immigration could do with some divine inspiration. very good, very good, keith says justin. emily that's the most reverend and right honourable justin welby, archbishop of canterbury, primate of all england. to you? >> yes, i didn't mean to. you've been told. >> i didn't mean to be disrespectful. i just quite like the justin . george says, no the name justin. george says, no point in suella talking to

welby. he's not interested in anything other than his own opinions, and i can't imagine even much common even his god having much common ground well, course ground with him. well, of course he that, i'm sure he would dispute that, i'm sure very thank you for very strongly. thank you for your them coming your emails. keep them coming in. a pleasure to read. >> are indeed. now, up next, it's lewis. and lewis is going to tell us why we still need a minister for men, the topic of much conversation in this week. i think it's safe to be said oakley is outraged . oakley is outraged. >> yes, there has been a lot of distraction this week from a very simple and important question do we need a minister for men now ? i passionately for men now? i passionately agree. we do . in fact, agree. yes, we do. in fact, i think it's quite toxic to look at all of the issues facing men and that doesn't matter . and say that it doesn't matter. and i that a lot of the and i think that a lot of the pushback against this comes from men for thinking of men from a bygone era or the top 1% of men. that's not representative of all men. the statistics are alarming men. the statistics are alarming men. suicide is the biggest killer of men under 50. 75% of suicides are by men. education

also terrible, terrible statistics for how men are coming out of education. asian men are also more likely to live at home, and 1 in 3 men say that they have no friends. issues facing men such as fatherlessness or the fact that in our modern society there really aren't that many positive role models for men that people can really look up to. we then get annoyed when people like andrew tate fill that void, and i really think that, you know, we need to have happy and prosperous men in our country. it is good for men , it is good it is good for men, it is good for women, it is good for the society as a whole. and lost in this debate as well. it's good for minority men, gay men by men, black men, asian men. it is what we need. so i think it is high time that we have a minister that champions men's causes this issue causes and takes this issue seriously . diane let's get seriously. diane let's get straight to a woman. what do you think? well i get what you are saying, and i think a lot of it

has a lot of merit. >> but i do take issue with your point, sir, that there are no positive role models . who do we positive role models. who do we not have, lewis hamilton, for one. lewis hamilton, darren, i did a monologue about lewis hamilton not that long ago saying that he was a hypocrite, hypocritical , green idiot . hypocritical, green idiot. >> i was going to say something else. there he is a good role model for young black men and my goodness, we need them. >> yeah, because of him. >> yeah, because of him. >> like there are way more young black are going into black men who are going into racing and has fought against racing and he has fought against discrimination every step of the way. he's also fabulous his way. he's also fabulous in his fashion and his does music on the side . so but there are the side. so okay. but there are lots of male role models that i think that we can look up to. but what it is, is that the andrew tates go for that sort of toxic, predatory element and sort of the hustlers university, you can take a shortcut to the top and that's what's appealing top and that's what's appealing to people. and but i do dispute the fact that there are no

wonderful male. i mean, okay, tom daley, do we like tom daley on this panel? do we like benedict cumberbatch? do we like that bloke who played bond blue eyes what's daniel craig. >> daniel. craig. >> daniel. craig. >> craig. he's wondrous. come on. but darren. brilliant >> you tell me. and maybe it's the lgbt thing, but i just don't see that there are a lot of men in our society that i'm like, yeah, be like them. yeah, i want to be like them. and as someone that's raising two do at the two boys, i do look at the society. like, you know, you society. i'm like, you know, you know, you're talking a good game and obviously a lot on the progressive which progressive side, which is important. but same time, important. but at the same time, i you're to talking i don't think you're to talking personal responsibility and those issues that and those kind of issues that and also how to talk as well and talk about your feelings because they to talk, they say, oh, men need to talk, men talk. but a lot of men need to talk. but a lot of men need to talk. but a lot of men don't want to talk. what do you feel? >> well, look, i mean, you know, i'm going sound like a god i'm going to sound like a god botherer right actually, botherer right now, actually, but think there's god shaped botherer right now, actually, but iniink there's god shaped botherer right now, actually, but in youngere's god shaped botherer right now, actually, but in young men's god shaped botherer right now, actually, but in young men's livesihaped botherer right now, actually, but in young men's lives where hole in young men's lives where actually belief in in a divine actually a belief in in a divine maker going hell actually maker or going to hell actually was a pretty strong deterrent from getting up to no good.

these days we look to people like andrew tate to fill the void and i don't think that's a good thing. i don't think that's good thing. i don't think that's good for society. so what else is going to be put there to actually ensure that young men are not getting involved in a life of either crime or drugs or alcoholism, whatever it might be, benefits even a life like thatis be, benefits even a life like that is not a life well lived. >> minister for men . that's >> minister for men. that's what's going to be there. what did you think? do you think there's a god shaped hole? >> i don't know if minister for men is what we need, but i do think that we need to be hearing more from politicians role models, various models, people in various industries talking about industries was talking about the issues men men issues that affect men and men in only because they do exist . in only because they do exist. there are issues that only impact men, and i don't like it when women scoff at that because it is true. we always talk about women's issues. why not men's issues? and think, as you issues? and i think, as you said, it comes to said, when it comes to education, it is sad that a lot of boys, more boys than girls, are school without any

are leaving school without any achievements, qualifications, not any achievements, but without as it is without qualifications as it is terrifying. well it's appalling that so many are sadly that so many men are sadly taking their own lives at such a young age. these are men's issues and i don't know whether men need to talk more about their feelings. i don't men need to talk more about theirfeelings. i don't know men need to talk more about their feelings. i don't know if men need help when it comes to career advice what men need , career advice or what men need, because i'm a woman, right? and i think if men have spaces and there are some politicians who are this, ben are talking about this, ben bradley's but they i think bradley's one, but they i think men do need specific conversations about their issues and they shouldn't be ashamed of it. >> i do think men need specific conversations about their issues, and i have argued in favour of a minister for men before, but only really because we a for minister women and we have a for minister women and equalities suppose the equalities and i suppose the question is, is how much does the minister for women inequality is actually done for women has it women and how much has it actually societal change actually been societal change that changed the situation that has changed the situation for feminism and women in britain and therefore , how much britain and therefore, how much would minister men would a minister for men actually do it's society

actually do when it's society that needs to change? >> and that's to going come from people, not politicians , and i people, not politicians, and i guess does i'm so sorry. >> thank you. go for it. well, i'll be makes a brilliant point because a minister is not cool like nobody wants to be like a minister. >> no one's saying that he has to be the one on the back of a motorcycle. like being cool or anything like a minister. >> should be cool. maybe we could get daniel craig to be the minister for men. >> then it would be cool he'd have appeal. he'd have that have sex appeal. he'd have that godly darren godly like thing that darren wants he would also be he wants and he would also be he would someone that we would be someone that we all wanted look and follow. wanted to look up to and follow. >> okay. >> okay. >> was just briefly come >> was just very briefly come back to that daniel craig is not the daniel craig i know . the daniel craig i know. >> i think a minister for men will work because it will, you know, someone will be there at the helm of government. it's also about the government showing that they take that issue seriously. and it's not just a to the side. just a joke to the side. a minister will be there, held accountable. on accountable. we'll have them on when, when we to talk when, when, when we need to talk to should be to them. and they should be there in the background.

inspiring men really looking at this. believe no this. i can't believe there's no one looking at it one in government looking at it and suicide stats that you and the suicide stats that you raised there, louis, are really, really awful. really quite awful. >> on a more cheery note, do >> but on a more cheery note, do not because to >> but on a more cheery note, do not it because to >> but on a more cheery note, do not it is because to >> but on a more cheery note, do not it is dianeiuse to >> but on a more cheery note, do not it is diane spencer to >> but on a more cheery note, do not it is diane spencer who's come, it is diane spencer who's going to be discussing whether or not rishi sunak's plans are aiden up. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. >> welcome back to the saturday five. thanks for your emails to lisa's written in on the idea for a minister for men and role models. she says i'm a single parent to two boys who had no positive male role models, but both to be kind, both have grown up to be kind, considerate men with fantastic futures. don't think futures. i don't think role models always essential, and models are always essential, and i were a fantastic i imagine you were a fantastic mother. fantastic mother. are a fantastic mother, danny agree with louis. danny says. i agree with louis. i've this years. i've been saying this for years. where's men? where's the equality of men? don't have minister. knowing don't have a minister. knowing our our minister will for our luck, our minister will for be women a woman. be women will be a woman. a woman. oh, my god. but he says as long as she's fair, i don't

care. >> i thought you were going to say fit there. >> i thought my god, no, danny, did not say that. >> thank you for not saying that, danny. >> says a pint down the >> harry says a pint down the pub solves all my pub with my mate solves all my problems. perhaps partners problems. perhaps our partners should us go the pub should let us go to the pub more. perhaps. it more. perhaps. perhaps. it depends what state you come back in. guess. what in. i guess. right. what is next? time for our next debate. >> yes. up next, it's diane. and she reckons that actually rishi sunak using the wrong formula sunak is using the wrong formula to our schools. it's time to fix our schools. it's time for diane's debacle. >> yes, rishi sunak trying to force all pupils to learn maths until they're 18 is a serious miscalculation . i don't co—sign miscalculation. i don't co—sign this, and neither should anyone else . oh yes. we all go and we else. oh yes. we all go and we learn maths, but only a fraction of people actually understand it and the rest of us do actually have calculus haters. i see that rishi doesn't place much credit on people who can speak foreign languages or learn how to become certified electricians or chefs or write exciting television programmes. no, he would rather

force them to do things that involve going through the meagre pain inducing swamp of mathematics . if rishi, you're mathematics. if rishi, you're forcing people to learn something until they're 18, at least, let's give them something useful. what about how to sort out your pension? how to do a self—employed tax return, how to fill up a car and pay for it without looking like a noob? yeah wouldn't we all love to learn how to do that? maybe. rishi, if you had spent more time learning drama, you wouldn't have lost the plot . wouldn't have lost the plot. >> very good, diane . >> very good, diane. >> very good, diane. >> those examples you just gave of things you said sorting out your pension. there's another one filling out a tax return , one filling out a tax return, filling up a petrol, filling up your car with petrol. don't you need maths to be able to do all of those things properly ? of those things properly? >> i don't think you need maths to fill up your car. yes you do. >> because have to know how >> because you have to know how much in. no ijust >> because you have to know how much in. no i just press much to put in. no i just press the and wait until it the nozzle and wait until it dings. no, you you watch the price go up. >> you watch the price is >> no, you watch the price is going you're counting.

going in and you're counting. >> that i'm making is, >> the point that i'm making is, is that maths is fundamental to the live and in the way that we live and in order for us to be a more successful society, i actually think it's important that we are all becoming that we are all more maths literate because i'm shocked how some people don't even know to use percentages properly. >> ah, but now this is an issue because are taught because you are taught percentages at school already. so actually the system is broken. if as the current statistics suggest , that sort of statistics suggest, that sort of 65% of people are leaving school without like a really good grasp of maths, then what is the point in continuing in teaching them for another two years if we're not getting it right for the first 16, don't we need to focus on the first 16 to get that right before we make them study it for two more years? >> i think with maths people tend to reach a what are you going to call it, a glass ceiling, don't they really, where they can't go any further. yeah. you get to your peak and however hard you try and i actually quite like maths, but

however hard you try, you might not be to get much better not be able to get much better at so the problem is, is at it. so the problem is, is that you might have people who are be about this are let's be pc about this incapable more incapable of doing much more than simple addition and subtraction. who then are forced to do maths and just can't do it. so what they get a fail what's the point? what is the point in hammering down somebody's confidence? >> for years i was >> for two years i was a secondary school teacher and i taught and you know taught drama and do you know what taught those kids? and what i taught those kids? and there was kid. i said to there was one kid. i said to him, do you want to when there was one kid. i said to him grow do you want to when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? you want to when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? and want to when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? and he nt to when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? and he said, when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? and he said, i when there was one kid. i said to him grow up? and he said, i wantn you grow up? and he said, i want to drive diggers. that was the only thing he said. i said, do you want to drive diggers? he went, want to drive went, i just want to drive diggers left at 16. do diggers left school at 16. do you what he does now? he you know what he does now? he drives diggers, he? oh, drives diggers, does he? oh, great come true. photo great dreams come true. photo on facebook. next to facebook. and he's there next to this massive digger i'm this massive digger and i'm like, and should he be like, yes. and why should he be forced study maths for two years? >> i've got to say, when i did see actually felt sorry see this, i actually felt sorry for rishi sunak here with me. i was like, this is just like an outgoing prime minister who

knows limited. knows his time is limited. looking legacy. so, oh, looking for a legacy. so, oh, i was the that made them learn was the one that made them learn maths. just stupid. maths. later it's just stupid. and think itjust, you know, and i think it just, you know, i'd have more respect for him if he'd have done the more complicated and you complicated thing and said, you know teach kids is know what? how we teach kids is wrong. that some people wrong. we know that some people are visual learners. we know that people learn by that some people learn by moving. assess moving. we're going to assess them age and we're them at a certain age and we're going in classes, going to put them in classes, find them like that. kinaesthetic kinaesthetic learners, like what? >> doing a bit a dance while >> doing a bit of a dance while you're learning your chucking the to each other. the ball to each other. >> they learn doing. >> and they learn by doing. >> and they learn by doing. >> you like actions that >> and they learn by doing. >> yyou like actions that >> and they learn by doing. >> yyou remember. :ions that help you remember. >> i also think is for. >> and i also think is for. yeah, exactly. >> and those people know their fractions. >> are you learnt maths. >> are you learnt maths. >> no i wasn't a moving learner. you kinaesthetic kinaesthetic. >> a there's >> good. there's a there's a cleverer term. >> learn that in >> i didn't learn that in school, but i also you school, but i also think you know, get with the program. education going to change. education is going to change. we're that is we're going to have ai that is going be able to when going to be able to track when you don't learn things to you don't really learn things to a degree a teacher never could and the ipads are be and the ipads are going to be teaching kids in schools teaching our kids in schools before long. yeah, that's where it's we don't need to

it's going. we don't need to keep school doing keep them in school to 18 doing a don't want to a course that they don't want to do. would be good if people do. it would be good if people could their maths though. could do their maths though. >> you know, it's useful >> isn't, you know, it's useful for everything. >> that will happen. for everything. >> what1at will happen. for everything. >> what i'mnill happen. for everything. >> what i'm sayingypen. for everything. >> what i'm saying ai n. for everything. >> what i'm saying ai is going to that for to do that for us. >> pension taxes, it'll teach us, you know, mortgages, whatever you need. it >> mean, >> yeah, exactly. i mean, i couldn't have put it better myself. say louis, we need myself. you say louis, we need to get with program. yes we to get with the program. yes we do program. do need to get with the program. let's look at the most some of the economies in let's look at the most some of the world, economies in let's look at the most some of the world, are economies in let's look at the most some of the world, are moremies in the world, which are more productive the productive than britain. the east economies east asian economies of korea, the japan. they're all the of japan. they're all excellent what excellent at maths. and what rishi trying to do rishi sunak is trying to do here is emulate successes that is emulate the successes that we've seen other parts of the we've seen in other parts of the world them to britain. world and apply them to britain. that's doing. that's what we should be doing. >> know what my >> do you know what my maths teacher said secondary teacher said to me at secondary school? said, when you fail school? he said, when you fail darren, i want to that darren, i want you to know that it was all on you. i got it. he was right. >> so are. you got a d? was right. >goto are. you got a d? was right. >got a are. you got a d? was right. >got a d, are. you got a d? was right. >got a d, a are. you got a d? was right. >got a d, a shame. you got a d? was right. >got a d, a shame iyou got a d? was right. >got a d, a shame i did it)t a d? i got a d, a shame i did it again. i got a c, but there we are now. a re now. >> are now. >> that's all the first >> that's all for the first tower. but don't go away because we'll be unpicking more of the week's now week's spiciest debates. now now, your

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the coach. the 40 year old was a father to two children, 15 year old jessica. jessica baker also died in the crash . four other died in the crash. four other children were taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy whose injuries are said to be life changing . the chancellor life changing. the chancellor suggested cuts to the welfare budget could end what he's described as a vicious circle of ever rising taxes . jeremy hunt ever rising taxes. jeremy hunt told the times the welfare system needs reform because 100,000 people a year move off benefits without being obliged to look for work, which he says proves it's not working . he's proves it's not working. he's under pressure after dozens of tory backbenchers vowed not to vote for his autumn statement if it contains tax rises . it it contains tax rises. it includes the former prime minister liz truss and the former party leader , sir iain former party leader, sir iain duncan smith , a former party duncan smith, a former party chairman. sirjake berry, who chairman. sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it will hold the chancellor to his word . word. >> all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't

materialised. that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> well, the chancellor's comments come ahead of the tory party conference, which starts tomorrow and rishi sunak has arrived in manchester and he is expected to address the war on motorists this week . he told the motorists this week. he told the sun harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones are being forced on drivers. the department for transport says the guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . the blanket use in england. the aslef union has denied today's train strikes were politically motivated after the government said it was planned to coincide with their party conference train drivers at 16 operators in england walked out in their long running dispute and many parts

of the country had no services at all. and those that did run finish earlier than usual . finish earlier than usual. hundreds of demonstrators staged a protest earlier against the rosebank offshore development . rosebank offshore development. they were in central london demanding the government reconsider approval for the controversial oil field. it's located 80 miles west of shetland and is the uk's largest untapped field . it's estimated untapped field. it's estimated to contain up to 300 million barrels of oil . this is gb news barrels of oil. this is gb news us. we're on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker as well. but now it's back to the . saturday five. the. saturday five. >> thanks, darren. it's saturday night. you are with the saturday five. i am emily carver. >> and i'm darren grimes . now >> and i'm darren grimes. now then heard all about sir then we've heard all about sir keir starmer's latest flip flop and antics after he said labour would remove the charitable status for private schools. he's now saying that actually won't be doing that. but what he will

do is slap a 20% vat on the fees. that's only if he wins the next general election. of course , there are about 2500 private schools in england and wales. but if those were to collapse, what would that mean for the state schooling system? well joining me now to discuss this is lisa mckenzie. lisa she has very much for your company. can you just briefly set out what labour are actually proposing here? >> yeah, a couple for quite a number of years now. the labour party conference says there's been big debates over private schools. obviously people have strong opinions about them. i have strong opinions about them . so two years ago at the party conference, it was suggested that the charity status would be removed. so that means that private schools would not be charities because they they aren't charities. they're actually schools and businesses

. and so what he's done is rowed back on part of that argument. but he's actually kept the pledge where he's going to add 20% vat and this is actually something that the in july wrote a report about and actually thought that this was a good idea. so the ifs as sort of really agreeing with this idea that it won't hurt private schools to such an extent . it schools to such an extent. it won't cause chaos in the public sector . and actually it will sector. and actually it will raise money for other schools. >> okay. i mean, lisa, what are the labour party members saying then? because they obviously voted for it to be potentially a little bit robust than it little bit more robust than it than ultimately is going to? than it ultimately is going to? and mean, you're straight and i mean, you're a straight talking i've seen talking lass yourself. i've seen you plenty times. you on telly plenty of times. are you personally not a little bit sick of sir keir starmer taking more positions than perhaps the calmer sutra ? perhaps the calmer sutra? >> listen, i've been sick of keir starmer for at least 12

years, since when? he was. when he was sort of prosecuting people in the 2011 riots. i've been sick over him for a long time. i am not a labour party member or supporter. i'm an anarchist and hate them all equally . but what anarchist and hate them all equally. but what i am is i'm a working class woman who is now a lecturer to a university. i've got the position of doctor , um, got the position of doctor, um, and i know that the ways that education can be manipulated and, and used to gain the system to make sure that people with more money do better for and get much better opportunities . much better opportunities. >> so, i mean, lisa, you say you're an anarchist and what you're an anarchist and what you're actually advocating here might well bring about anarchy, will it because there are will it not? because there are going to be fewer parents able to afford to send their to afford to actually send their kids to these schools, not all of them are wealthier than midas . you know, there's this idea that we're all walking around as jacob actually lot

jacob rees—mogg. actually a lot of might perhaps be of parents might perhaps be working day and night to send their kids to a school. their kids to a private school. and this would mean, would it not, that the taxpayer has to then the cost . that's then take on the cost. that's some 40,000 children forced into the state school sector , and the state school sector, and thatis the state school sector, and that is estimated to cost around £600 million a year for government. isn't this would just lead to total chaos, wouldn't it ? wouldn't it? >> no, because that's not what i was going to happen. that's sort of the scenario that there is no private schools. what we're talking about here is this 20% rise in vat . now, we need to rise in vat. now, we need to argue why shouldn't private schools have this vat added? you know , if they're a business, know, if they're a business, which they are , then all which they are, then all businesses have to pay vat. you know, ask the hairdressers, ask the people who are providing other services on our high streets today, how difficult the vat bills are are, and then say, well, you know, some services don't need to pay that. it's unfair. and also, if it's an

investment, a lot of families would say it's an investment in our future . well, investments our future. well, investments are always you have to you have to have vat on that for financial arguments. it's a sound argument. but there's a bigger argument which is about equality and the way that britain feels very unfair at the moment . and parents send their moment. and parents send their children to private schools for one of two reasons. and this is my straight talking bit. one reason is so they can gain the system and they can get unfair advantages for their children. and the other one is to keep their children away from working class children. >> oh, no. >> oh, no. >> come on, lisa, you don't seriously believe that , right? seriously believe that, right? that's just right. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. well >> yes. well that >> yes. well that that's >> yes. well that that's where we are. >> i do believe that. i do believe that that middle class parents, especially in parts of london, would do not want their children past the age of 11, mixing with working class kids .

mixing with working class kids. so they're quite happy to do them in the primary schools the minute they get to 11, they're going to private schools . and going to private schools. and that a definite that is that is a definite that is about, um , class prejudices . about, um, class prejudices. >> okay. >> okay. >> lisa, i'm sure our panel are going to disagree with that strongly. some of them at least. but lisa, thank you very much for your time. brilliant stuff . for your time. brilliant stuff. if i mean, that's one perspective, is it not? emily >> yeah, i think she has a point. i'm sure there are some parents who don't want their children to be around what they might they might call the riff raff. they might call the riff raff. they might do . i'm sure there are might do. i'm sure there are parents that , but for might do. i'm sure there are parents that, but for me, parents like that, but for me, it's just why are the labour party focusing on this? and i can't but help i can't help but think that this is about trying to have some kind of class warfare going on, and it smacks of politics of envy because practically there are a lot of parents who won't be able to send their kids to private school with this additional cost and that will fall on the state sector . and also, one more

sector. and also, one more thing. it is important kibble for left wing people to completely level the playing field. even if you get rid of private schools, those parent s who are motivated to and have the money to will get them private tutors. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and also, i'm sorry, but some parents are better at educating their children than others, so they'll still have that advantage. so you cannot take away all advantage . away all advantage. >> i don't think we should scrap vat from private schools, but i did think lisa had a strong argument, which was it is another service. a hairdresser plays, pays vat. why shouldn't a private school pay vat? i think that was her strongest argument, actually , because as someone who actually, because as someone who believes that there should be tax simplification and that taxes should apply pretty cohesively to all different kinds of businesses, even though i'm questioning myself, why do i think that private schools should be vat? vat exempts , but should be vat? vat exempts, but other services should have to pay other services should have to pay for the rebuttal to that is that it's education. >> so it's more important. it's

a fundamental public service, private private health care companies well . companies pay vat well. >> well, i'd actually just get rid the that private rid of the vat that private health care , to be honest, or health care, to be honest, or you should tax relief you should even get tax relief if don't send your kids if you don't send your kids through. >> yeah, you're doing a public school. you're doing a public good, >> you're doing a public good, louis. would louis. you've got kids. would you twice about actually you think twice about actually sending were you in a sending your kids? were you in a position do so? i have no position to do so? i have no idea. are, send your kids idea. if you are, send your kids to a private school. would you be actually lisa's be worried that actually lisa's right you're just it right and you're just doing it to keep from riff raff? >> no, i have no plans to send them to private school, actually. i think that. actually. but i do think that. >> morally opposed to >> are you morally opposed to private school? >> go to private school i >> and why should they? >> and why should they? >> i think i've done okay. >> i think i've done okay. >> you've done great disaster. >> you've done a great disaster. >> you've done a great disaster. >> disaster. >> disaster. >> but . but >> disaster. >> but. but no. so i didn't go to private school. i don't have any send my kids any plans to send my kids because i want them to mix with different people of all all backgrounds . and i guess you backgrounds. and i guess you maybe that in private maybe get that in private school. i do think there's school. i do. i do think there's advantage. don't think advantage. i don't even think it's education, the it's about the education, the smaller numbers. i think smaller class numbers. i think that you your that basically if you if your kids afford send

kids if you can afford to send your kids private school, your kids to private school, you're going to your kids to private school, you're people going to your kids to private school, you're people that going to to be know people that are going to be successful able to get successful and be able to get a job that way. that's what i kind of think is the benefit of it, the networking. of think is the benefit of it, the networki|a . secondary >> diane as a former secondary school yourself, where school teacher yourself, where do you stand on this? school teacher yourself, where do �*becausei on this? school teacher yourself, where do �*becausei cwould’ school teacher yourself, where do �*becausei cwould be a massive >> because it would be a massive additional burden on the education system, it not, education system, would it not, if private schools just if all private schools just ceased mean, that's >> well, i mean, that's definitely not what labour are suggesting , but i went to a suggesting, but i went to a private school and my parents are both working class . so lisa are both working class. so lisa is saying that it's because , oh, is saying that it's because, oh, they don't want their kids associate dating and they want them to mix with people. it's a load of rubbish . she's talking load of rubbish. she's talking from a position of absolute zero experience. >> diana i do know people who went to my private school whose parents definitely sent them there because they didn't want them to go, well, my, the local state school, i know that for sure. >> cataclysmically different from what she's painting the image and there are so image to be. and there are so many schools which you many private schools which you you see them every day. and then it's not all just eton . it's not it's not all just eton. it's not all just prime ministers there

are just some schools. but yes , are just some schools. but yes, i agree. they should run like a business. yes, but my parents were working class they business. yes, but my parents were w(me1g class they business. yes, but my parents were w(me to class they business. yes, but my parents were w(me to have they business. yes, but my parents were w(me to have the they business. yes, but my parents were w(me to have the best wanted me to have the best education they could possibly get. so they they sent me to also. >> it's just silly because even if you got rid of private schools , people would move to schools, people would move to catchment areas where it was middle class comprehensive anyway, which you have currently. people you know, you have schools that are predominantly middle class, comprehensives and then you have others that are predominantly working know, it working class. you know, it still happen . still can happen. >> i say still have that. >> i will say still have that. >> i will say still have that. >> think is >> i actually think this is quite cruel. imagine if you quite cruel. like imagine if you are child in these are a child in one of these schools that's like my parents won't this happens, won't be able if this happens, my parents able to my parents won't be able to afford send me here anymore. afford to send me here anymore. they'll be shame that we're poon they'll be shame that we're poor, i'm to be poor, but also i'm going to be away my friends. it's away from all my friends. it's actually quite cruel if you think change the game. >> and also though, right when all these kids leave private schools, they go university, schools, they go to university, some they're some of them. right. they're mixing then, mixing with the riff raff then, aren't doesn't aren't they? so we're doesn't actually away . actually keep them away. >> riff raff, your words. oh,

actually, i think use class actually, i think i use class myself as the riff. >> that was lisa. it was funny that lisa talking about that lisa was talking about anarchy because surely you wouldn't public wouldn't even have a public state system. no schooling if you a real anarchy. so you lived in a real anarchy. so i guess there's that. >> this vat on universities . >> this vat on universities. >> this vat on universities. >> well, i mean, the there's another issue there because already the students are having to pay like these whopping fees . but again, you are offering a service and it is none of it is compulsory. like if you you don't have to, but it does reduce people's choice because then people better apply for bursaries and scholarships because othennise they're not going to be able to afford it. i actually got a scholarship to attend my private school in the sixth form. you know, even with your hatred of maths , even with your hatred of maths, even with my hate, i mean , if rishi sunak my hate, i mean, if rishi sunak was in charge, i. can i tell you, i tried my level. >> she tried. >> she tried. >> i tried. but the maths teacher literally told me got your experience, darling, let the maths boat sail on without

you . you. >> just on your point about bursaries , i think my concern bursaries, i think my concern about bringing in vat on private schools is that the first things that they would cut would be those pots of money which are set aside for scholarships and bursaries . and only reason bursaries. and the only reason i was to go to a private was able to go to a private school the reasons was school is one of the reasons was because mum's clients because one of my mum's clients paid fees. and paid for some of the fees. and the reason was because the other reason was because i was on a scholarship and bursary because was no way my because there was no way that my mum have able to mum would have been able to afford to a private afford to send me to a private school. my concern is that school. so my concern is that actually by by by this attack on private schools, it's actually actually by by by this attack on privatnto chools, it's actually actually by by by this attack on privatnto closei, it's actually actually by by by this attack on privatnto close down actually actually by by by this attack on privatnto close down opportunity going to close down opportunity for underprivileged for people from underprivileged backgrounds for people from underprivileged backgrounc. so you that you had. experience. so you that you had. >> well that emily made >> well i think that emily made an excellent point in that. i think that it's something think that that it's something that labour that sir keir starmer is trying to define himself by and it's actually it's because we can't really tell what he thinks about anything else. >> well yes, that's quite anneliese, you know, watered it down. >> do you know what though. >> do you know what though. >> i would bring back grammar schools. absolutely would do that. i think that from harold

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written that myself. >> did you? i didn't. >> did you? i didn't. >> i promise i didn't actually write it myself on the maths discussion that we had earlier. that was diane's segment. peters written , and he says the written, and he says the comments from some of your guests shows what's wrong with them. >> oh, there's my whole it's not holding back , he says. holding back, he says. >> our people need to know maths, even if it's only at the level of personal budget. and that's what i'll be was saying. yeah in and yeah ronald's written in and he says not needed algebra , a says, i've not needed algebra, a quadratic equations , calculus or quadratic equations, calculus or transposition. i don't even know what transposition is to be honest. is that some new you wouldn't be sorry? >> no idea . >> no idea. >> no idea. >> since i left school at 16 over 52 years ago. ronald, you raise a good point. and look, we've all got iphones. >> and how are your accounts, ronald? >> well, yes, i'm joking. >> well, yes, i'm joking. >> and on the private schools debate that we just had a moment ago , elizabeth says education is ago, elizabeth says education is ago, elizabeth says education is a charitable endeavour and always has been . just as music, always has been. just as music, museums, art galleries. et cetera. they're all charitable endeavours. there's no way they

can be classed as businesses . can be classed as businesses. where are the shareholders? she says. where are the shareholders? she says . why aren't schools listed says. why aren't schools listed on the stock exchange? vat is the eu tax that should have gone anyway. so that's i'll be told. and david said if private schools must pay vat, then surely , sure must universities surely, sure must universities and that was the point we did discuss that didn't we, diane? now move . moving on. it's time now move. moving on. it's time for our next debate . for our next debate. >> yes. onto our next story this week . you may have missed this week. you may have missed this one. a small village in derbyshire hit the headlines after a fight broke out over poor parking residents in spondon have been accusing one another of blocking driveways with their cars. and it seems to have escalated. some villagers have escalated. some villagers have resorted to leaving passive aggressive notes on windscreens and writing barbed comments on facebook groups about one another's driving. so with worries that emergency services couldn't make it through some streets due to parking misdemeanours, i'm asking we're asking, is it okay to publicly

call out those who aren't skilled behind the wheel? so let's get the view of the founder of stop killing cyclists , donna mccarthy, donica , thank , donna mccarthy, donica, thank you very much for joining us this evening on the saturday five. i think is your first five. i think this is your first time this particular show. time on this particular show. now, i've heard that you've got a to why things are a theory as to why things are kicking off a bit more between drivers, is a scene drivers, because this is a scene , what i just described is something that quite a lot us something that quite a lot of us have have used to. i think have have got used to. i think you know, reading the story was quite , i have to say, a bit hilarious. >> it was like a whole load of neighbours screaming at each other you've parked your neighbours screaming at each othnin you've parked your neighbours screaming at each othnin front you've parked your neighbours screaming at each othnin front ofnu've parked your neighbours screaming at each othnin front of my) parked your neighbours screaming at each othnin front of my house d your neighbours screaming at each othnin front of my house again. car in front of my house again. how dare you? luckily, i don't ever have to have those arguments i've arguments because i don't. i've got e—bike. rather than got an e—bike. rather than a car. but i think the serious point here really is it looks like a whole bunch of people deaung like a whole bunch of people dealing with a national problem, which is the explosion of car ownership in the uk. people feel they've been forced to buy cars. we've gone from something like 20 million cars to 32 million

cars over the last 30 years, and we're a small island, 32 million cars. i just did the maths before i came on the programme. emily and it came out, i think three point 2,000,000,000ft2 of parking. we need just to have the cars. that's the equivalent of 100 city of london's is just. and so therefore, you know ten into one doesn't go don't we have these people if we didn't have these people if we didn't have if we had fewer cars would we not just resort to fighting over our bicycles instead or fighting over our e—scooters or or or the pavement, you know, barging each other? >> you know, we just, you know, need any excuse to start sending passive aggressive notes to our neighbours. it seems in this country there's some amazing videos on youtube of rush hour in amsterdam with thousands and hundreds of thousands of cyclists heading to work. >> and it's amazing to watch how they intermingle and don't end up kicking each other or having

rounds. it's extraordinary . but rounds. it's extraordinary. but actually the serious point is the government seems to be going in the opposite direction of encouraging people to own cars and use public transport and and not use public transport and cycling and walking and that's a problem economy , but problem for the economy, but also people like in this also for people like in this village where are going to village where are we going to put what's happened put the cars? what's happened over 13 emily, over the last 13 years, emily, is they have cut the cost is that they have cut the cost of car ownership every year. fuel has been cut every fuel duty has been cut every year for last ten years. year for the last ten years. cars are more efficient. >> i think frozen, not cut >> so i think frozen, not cut equates to a real cut. >> if you don't if you don't increase the price of your house. emily, every year, i don't think you will be very happy about it with inflation. so they think us actually if so they think us but actually if you pubuc so they think us but actually if you public transport, you look at public transport, they've increased at above inflation over last inflation over the last ten years the bus routes years and 50% of the bus routes are gone . so forcing are gone. so we're forcing people onto cars and fighting over this scrap of space. >> i think you make a decent point monica, just point there. monica, just lastly, you, lastly, while i've got you, i think i can predict what you might say, but but you're not too impressed with rishi sunak pro motorist announcements that

he's going to launch ? he's going to launch? >> oh, to be frank with you, i've been listening to this ridiculous meme of the war on motorists for the last ten years, watching them having billions of subsidies billions of pounds of subsidies poured towards them. 27 billion billions of pounds of subsidies po road towards them. 27 billion billions of pounds of subsidies po road road'ds them. 27 billion billions of pounds of subsidies po road road building 27 billion billions of pounds of subsidies po road road building and)illion billions of pounds of subsidies po road road building and almost of road road building and almost nothing spent on cycle lanes on on public transport. the real war is on our kids safety and on pubuc war is on our kids safety and on public transport users and there's not a war on motorists is the opposite is the truth. >> well, there you go. there is no war on motorists, says danica mccarthy. thank you very much indeed your he the indeed for your time. he is the founder of stop killing cyclists. i must say, cyclists. well, i must say, danica, i would have said if we if we'd continued talking all evening, i would have said that , know, could reasonably , you know, you could reasonably say that ulez darren and the number of ltns there are and also the number of cycle lanes that are making the driving space smaller, that could be called a war on motorists, could it not? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i tell you what, right. if you were say to all those you were to say to all those spandex clad people that what have you got against spandex,

we're going to say £12.50 a day to enter london. how quick would donegan and his mates be out on the streets saying that there's a war against cyclists? it's exactly the same for motorists and there is a clear agenda against people in cars . we need against people in cars. we need cars. if you've got a family , cars. if you've got a family, you need your car. even if it's a nissan micra, you need your car . car. >> i agree because i can't drive i'm learning now and i'm learning because i've got three kids and i cannot get them around othennise it's just too tricky with all of the trains. so i have to learn to drive. but i've got to say, this village gives puts fear into me. i don't want all of this trouble. as you've parked here, you parked wonky. i'm just trying . wonky. i'm just trying. >> this happens. >> this happens. >> i've got honest . i was >> i've got to be honest. i was most in his point most interested in his point when he over the last 13 when he said over the last 13 years or whatever, the time penod years or whatever, the time period was, there were 20 million cars. just ten years ago or 15 years ago. and now there was like million was something like 32 million cars. that's extra 12 cars. so that's an extra 12 million cars in not a very large

space of time. and i just wonder within our lifetimes, do you really think that since we were kids , parents more kids, parents need cars more than did in the past, than they did in the past, and therefore, explains why therefore, that explains why therefore, that explains why there many more. there are so many more. >> are quite a few million >> there are quite a few million more people just in the last decade, so that may play into more people just in the last dec equation. at may play into the equation. >> here, but not >> the equation here, but not everything is to down migration. >> it's a serious >> emily no, but it's a serious point i'm making. but that is what we need to drive more what do we need to drive more now did in the past now than we did in the past because of mobility, because of social of social mobility, because of being able to work in different places, because being to places, because of being able to apply know, you apply to, you know, maybe you live to live in swindon, but you want to work oxford and i spend so work in oxford and i spend so long on road because my job long on the road because my job as a comedian, have drive as a comedian, i have to drive all the country like i've all over the country like i've dnven all over the country like i've driven up to do gigs in edinburgh darlington. edinburgh and darlington. >> diane >> god, you're so lazy. diane why don't you just get on cycle cycle , have a nice walk, google cycle, have a nice walk, google maps, it cycle on my e—bike . maps, it cycle on my e—bike. >> oh, my god. what about diane? i'm interested to get your view on this. >> you know what goes on between neighbours because this happened when i used to live with my parents. this happened quite a

lot. people parking in front of other people's drives . sometimes other people's drives. sometimes people leaving notes. there people are leaving notes. there was that was a whatsapp group that sometimes lit up when, let's say people weren't behaving as they should their vehicles. is should with their vehicles. is this something that is a british thing ? thing? >> it's definitely a very british thing, but i mean, that's because i haven't that's only because i haven't experienced it in other countries . i'm sure it happens countries. i'm sure it happens in other countries . but the use in other countries. but the use of a facebook group, the fact that now it's not just a passive aggressive note on a windscreen because that would a because that would be like a 1 to 1 sort of thing. but now you could put on a public forum . could put it on a public forum. inoficed could put it on a public forum. i noticed that mrs. wetherby has forgotten where the line is . forgotten where the line is. >> number 11. yeah, exactly . >> number 11. yeah, exactly. >> number 11. yeah, exactly. >> and you can publicly out people, but i don't know. it does come down to sort of the sense of some people are saying, yes, but you can't drive. and there were diagrams , weren't there were diagrams, weren't there, in this story of this village, like people village, spondon, like people were drawing diagrams. this is how room you need to park how much room you need to park your car. for somebody you. how much room you need to park your cwho's' somebody you. how much room you need to park your cwho's learningdy you. how much room you need to park your cwho's learning how you. how much room you need to park your cwho's learning how to you. lewis who's learning how to drive the car. it's terrifying, isn't it?

drive the car. it's terrifying, isn' it's’ drive the car. it's terrifying, isn'it's absolutely terrifying . >> it's absolutely terrifying. and i can't park very well as it is. just terrified that is. so i'm just terrified that this going be future. this is going to be my future. and neighbours are going to and the neighbours are going to start hating me. but how awkward, can't awkward, though, i just i can't imagine, like leaving notes for my neighbour. i have a problem with my neighbour. would go with my neighbour. i would go knock door and say, knock on their door and say, look, sorry but y, look, i'm really sorry but x, y, z. whole leaving notes and z. this whole leaving notes and whatsapping shaming, whatsapping and public shaming, it's it's like it's just it's like it's like twitter cancelling or something. like it private like just deal with it private and it, you know? and sort it, you know? >> saying deal with >> but you're saying deal with it face to face, which i think is brilliant. yeah. up it face to face, which i think is somebodyeah. up it face to face, which i think is somebody because up it face to face, which i think is somebody because ande it face to face, which i think is somebody because and just to somebody because and just sort say to them, i'm sort of say to them, i'm terribly sorry. it does happen to the morning. you to be 4:00 in the morning. you seem have parked on my drive seem to have parked on my drive and you're having a rave. i don't you could turn the don't suppose you could turn the music down, you and saying music down, you know, and saying it face is quite good it face to face is quite good because you can because at least then you can establish rapport. establish a rapport. >> to this >> i'll be some context to this story. is it seems me what story. is it seems to me what happened was there was man or happened was there was a man or a woman who kept encroaching ever so slightly on her driveway, so she couldn't easily park her he then starts park her car. he then starts calling her a bad driver and

needs to get more lessons or something like this as a result, you can how things you can see how these things escalate, you can see how these things esc i .ate, you can see how these things esci just don't understand this >> i just don't understand this road you see, quite road rage. you see, i'm quite a calm, cool and collected person . and whenever people well, i like to think i am at least. anyway, maybe you've got different views, darren. especially i never especially but. but. but i never understand why people so understand why people get so angry. sometimes think it's an angry. i sometimes think it's an angen angry. i sometimes think it's an anger, bit a pointless anger, a bit of a pointless emotion that we used to use when we were animals, we'd have we were animals, when we'd have to but now in to kill each other. but now in the world, in the modern the modern world, in the modern world, need to do that. world, we don't need to do that. >> would deal with it? >> how would you deal with it? >> how would you deal with it? >> would have a reasonable >> i would have a reasonable fact evidence led discussion. >> would so annoying. >> you would be so annoying. then be. then you'd be. >> had a tape measure going. >> i had a tape measure going. >> i had a tape measure going. >> well, the turning circle of this. >> do you drive? absolutely right. no no, can't right. no no, i can't drive. >> but a cyclist . oh, i'm >> but i am a cyclist. oh, i'm on danica's side of things. i would probably. >> if you've never driven a car, you it's like to you don't know what it's like to have anger that if have that pure anger that if there'd two seconds there'd have been two seconds difference, just difference, you would have just hit my car. so maybe you should drive then we'll see the angen >>i angen >> i find the anger drive i've always >> i find the anger drive i've alwaj learned to when

>> i learned to drive when i have children like you are gonna be by being be impacted by it being a passenger. be impacted by it being a passurely. >> surely. >> surely. >> course. and also impacted >> of course. and also impacted by being cyclist, you can be by being a cyclist, you can be very impacted if you're very badly impacted if you're hit car bike. hit by a car on a bike. >> watching today. that would be an cyclists an awful impact by cyclists once or are the most or twice they are the most irritating this irritating people in this country have absolutely no country. i have absolutely no doubt about that. anyway, every single one of them. >> we need to get danica back to some balance here with our cyclists . cyclists. >> i changed my mind . >> i changed my mind. >> i changed my mind. >> now, still ahead is rishi sunak right to bash the beeb for talking down britain ? talking down britain? >> you're with the saturday five live on .

>> emily and i appear on bbc shows. it would not have been hard for a producer from the to bbc call someone from . gb news. bbc call someone from. gb news. >> welcome back to the saturday five. >> welcome back to the saturday five.thank >> welcome back to the saturday five. thank you two for your email. steve's written in. he says, emily, is there no protest group that donica doesn't belong to? that made me laugh. it made

me chuckle because he's a sweetie pie. actually, i enjoy it. that's why that's a bit patronising, isn't it? i enjoy his contribution because he is so earnest in his belief that we all to get out of our cars. all need to get out of our cars. sandra war on cyclists . as sandra says war on cyclists. as a visitor to the hague, i was struggling to cross the main road, having it safely road, having made it safely across, horrified to across, i was horrified to find myself in the with an myself stuck in the road with an army of cyclists travelling at breakneck speed along the cycle lane , which was between me and lane, which was between me and the pavement. was terrifying. the pavement. it was terrifying. i know what you mean. that has happened to before i've happened to me before where i've you sort stuck happened to me before where i've yo a sort stuck happened to me before where i've yo a it's sort stuck happened to me before where i've yo a it's particularlyt stuck happened to me before where i've yo a it's particularly around ck in a it's particularly around around westminster. stan says these geeks don't seem these climate geeks don't seem to realise that outside of the metropolitan cities, people need their cars public transport metropolitan cities, people need their not; public transport metropolitan cities, people need their not existublic transport metropolitan cities, people need their not exist .blic transport metropolitan cities, people need their not exist . then'ansport metropolitan cities, people need their not exist . then there's. does not exist. then there's tradesmen's with lorries, vans , tradesmen's with lorries, vans, etcetera. gary says on the whole whatsapp culture, gary says our village always has rules about parking. it's not unusual. village always has rules about parking. it's not unusual . we parking. it's not unusual. we love the drama on the facebook group . everyone. everyone loves group. everyone. everyone loves local drama, whether it's whatsapp, whether it's usually

facebook, isn't it really ? facebook, isn't it really? people posting passive aggressive things . aggressive things. >> what was the i noticed that number 11 is doing what was the name of that? >> that woman who was really big dunng >> that woman who was really big during pandemic during the pandemic from the pansh andit during the pandemic from the parish and it all just parish council and it all just went, you have the authority. >> weaver and everyone loved that >> weaver and everyone loved tha it like everyone was >> it was like everyone was getting in their getting involved in their neighbour's was neighbour's business and it was this thing. i this big national thing. so i can it. glad that that, can see it. i'm glad that that, that that village man is being honest. >> i think we need to that >> i think we need to bring that back because that back next week because that video just epic. well, video clip was just epic. well, can tell there is can i tell you, there is actually gig in siren sister actually a gig in siren sister that i went to recently and the mic is local. >> there and the first thing he does at the beginning he he does at the beginning is he he prints the local facebook does at the beginning is he he prints her local facebook does at the beginning is he he prints hey localright,ook does at the beginning is he he prints hey localright, who page and he says, right, who knows person ? he reads knows this person? he reads out their he reads their names and then he reads out status updates from the local facebook it's local facebook page. it's hysterical because there are people them . it's great. >> oh , and just one last one. >> oh, and just one last one. >> oh, and just one last one. >> are where are we? oh, yes . >> are where are we? oh, yes. oh, no. oh, i've lost. where are my place? alex says this has nothing to do with owning a car. it's people today who feel self

entitled . and quite honestly, entitled. and quite honestly, just because you a bike just because you ride a bike doesn't superior person. >> yes, it does . oh, it >> yes, it does. oh, it absolutely does . absolutely does. >> well, that is a strong opinion there. >> it's true. not everyone, not everyone can ride a bike. >> look, it's like we're . >> look, it's like we're. >> look, it's like we're. >> that's true. that's true. right? pro—fascist ism, if you ask me now on to our next story. rishi sunak has accused the bbc of burying positive news about the british economy and instead parroting labour lines about the state of the country's finances . as the uk economy actually grew much faster than previous expected since the start of the covid 19 pandemic and the subsequent lockdown is outstripping the growth of both the french and german economies in turn, the prime minister said that the news that gdp had grown by that 1.8, contrary to the prediction that it would contract it by 0.2% surprise hinckley and i think he was being sarcastic. there had not

made its top way to the top of the bbc news home page. well, joining us now to discuss this is the former brexit party mep and frankly, someone who has a lot to say about auntie beeb rupert lowe. rupert, thank you very much for your time. do you i mean, you mustn't agree with them on very much at the minute, rupert, but i assume on this point, you and rishi sunak are as one. >> indeed, i think it's interesting that he's brought this to the fore now. i mean the bbc, as you quite rightly say, i i've been calling for a long time now for the bbc to be for the licence fee to be removed and for criminal criminal you get a criminal record if you don't pay your licence fee, which i think is the only debt you get a criminal record for not paying. so not only have we got a state monopoly, got got a state monopoly, we've got enforcement through our legal system if you don't pay the fees. so it's a pretty watertight monopoly . it was set watertight monopoly. it was set up in an era passed by by reith.

he wanted to inform, educate and entertain with complete impartiality. and i think anybody would agree that the bbc now does neither entertain, educate nor inform . it certainly educate nor inform. it certainly isn't impartial. educate nor inform. it certainly isn't impartial . so, i mean, isn't impartial. so, i mean, recently we've had nick robinson claiming that the reason that the bbc radio four listeners have dropped by a million, a million over the last few years , that people have got news fatigue , bad news, fatigue in fatigue, bad news, fatigue in actual fact, it's because people are turning off and they're beginning to listen to other forms of news on different channels, particularly young people. >> indeed, this this , this one, >> indeed, this this, this one, dare i say. but rupert , what dare i say. but rupert, what would you say, though, to perhaps the bbc were it here to respond, would say, look , look, respond, would say, look, look, i do not make the news for rupert lowe and rishi sunak . rupert lowe and rishi sunak. they might be swivel eyed brexit tears, but i ain't. and we're giving people the news hard and fast and accurate and unbiased. what would you say to that good

news can be hard to find, right? we're going through hard times. >> well, darren, i'm actually keen on debate with people who disagree with me. i like that. i think that's how you get at the truth. and that's what we don't have enough of. and i actually think the bbc has got so used to being part of the debate measurement of what the victorians left, but they've actually lost sight of what reith set them up to do . reith set them up to do. obviously he came from a much more paternalistic era and we didn't have lots of, you know, digital channels on which you can get accurate news now and you can get it from wherever you want. you can get it in real time. so so i think rishi sunak he intervened. if you if you recall recently on the natwest situation where we had , you situation where we had, you know, some wokery, which was effectively being perpetrated on quite a lot of people with whom they disagreed, which is not a bad job. so it's to good see him

being actually think. the point here is not the fact that the british economy has done better. it's not to do better than the german economy. the german economy is struggling with with with effective the removal of the internal combustion engine. they've got all the legacy issues of that . and i think issues of that. and i think germany is for in a rough time. france, i've always said they haven't got much of an economy. >> i mean, that that that's an interesting because i saw interesting point because i saw a commentary i a lot of commentary online. i know me on know you'll agree with me on this, they were this, rupert, where they were saying, it's saying, well, actually, it's because we you know, britain's not very because not doing very well because we're longer attached to not doing very well because we'ieu longer attached to not doing very well because we'ieu single onger attached to not doing very well because we'ieu single market. tached to not doing very well because we'ieu single market. andzd to not doing very well because we'ieu single market. and ii to the eu single market. and i said, tell that to french france and germany , for goodness sake. and germany, for goodness sake. but anyway, rupert, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much for your thoughts on the beeb. there rupert lowe now , albeit again, you're my bbc now, albeit again, you're my bbc sympathiser on the panel proudly. i mean, do you think actually what does rupert have a point? basically he andrish is

sunaki point? basically he andrish is sunak i think i think there is certainly something to be said for the bbc. >> now . not necessarily always >> now. not necessarily always as parroting , not parroting, as parroting, not parroting, parroting is the wrong word, but not not really showing or not really being impartial all of the time and not necessarily saying, well , look, the forecast saying, well, look, the forecast last year were totally wrong. why were they so wrong? and actually having that conversation in instead, it's just, well , when they get the just, well, when they get the forecast, it's like, well, we're to going shrink by 0.2% next yean to going shrink by 0.2% next year. and then we actually get the results and it's 1.8% growth. and then they don't ask why, why were they wrong the why, why were they wrong in the first so i just think and first place. so i just think and maybe this something all maybe this is something all media do better at. it's media can do better at. it's actually asking, why were actually asking, well, why were we last time and trying to we wrong last time and trying to figure can be right figure out how we can be right next time. emily reticence next time. emily this reticence that sunak speaks of, do that rishi sunak speaks of, do you think we're there to be a labour government that the bbc would reticent to publish would be so reticent to publish good news when it's going well for the labour party? >> do you think there's some

bias play here? bias at play here? >> that's very hard to say, but i'm if you did poll bbc i'm sure if you did poll bbc employees and we do see when they go off other media they go off to do other media jobs they're able to be jobs where they're able to be free they that you free in what they say that you do find that they to do often find that they tend to be of the remain sort of liberal left persuasion. i'm not saying that directly an impact that that directly has an impact on on their, you know, the on their on their, you know, the coverage , although it may, coverage, although it may, andrew, but i do the bbc. i do think he yeah he is think he was yeah he is so there's you know there's there's always you know there's always different people who have different political views. but i do that i've always said do think that i've always said this actually many years, this actually in my many years, i've always said that it's not necessarily having necessarily just having the balance of guests right on a show. i think , or on the website show. i think, or on the website or wherever. i think that it is the of stories that the the choice of stories that the bbc does, which stories they choose to promote, which stories they choose to amplify and which stories choose to ignore. stories they choose to ignore. and i think that where we can and i think that is where we can criticise the bbc quite strongly i >> diane, turning to you in your nissan micra, do you want to throw something at the radio

when you've got radio four today programme on maybe because actually it's funereal if you ask me in its in its tone and approach . approach. >> yes , quite often i'm aware >> yes, quite often i'm aware that in trying to apply to have things made on the bbc throughout my years one of the things i was for told radio four was, remember , our viewers was, remember, our viewers aren't listening . i was aren't listening. i was literally told the viewers aren't really paying attention . aren't really paying attention. they're doing something else. so you'll be on in the background now to be told that as somebody who's trying to create the most incredible radio drama you've ever written in your life is deeply disheartening. it's not just the truth about radio, though, because i always have the radio on. though, because i always have the i'mio on. though, because i always have the i'm always doing something >> i'm always doing something else. that just radio is? >> i e $- $— e it could be. i mean, >> i mean, it could be. i mean, but when they. >> i mean, it could be. i mean, butbutzn they. >> i mean, it could be. i mean, butbut yourey. >> i mean, it could be. i mean, butbut your ears prick up when >> but your ears prick up when they had war of the world's. >> i mean i sit and listen to audiobooks. i absolutely love them. but sorry. back to your impartiality. them. but sorry. back to your impartiality . yes, i do get very

impartiality. yes, i do get very angry when like now that the strictly program is on, that's going to be in the news. and that infuriates me because it's not news. and it was exactly what emily said about the selection that they choose to put up there. and i learned a long time ago that you can read the bbc news website to see sort of, well, these are the top stories. according to the bbc, but you must then go elsewhere . but you must then go elsewhere. >> you must strictly is the biggest television show in the country. >> yeah. it is not anymore >> yeah. so it is not anymore because the saturday five's on the box, the side even. >> lewis very briefly , if >> lewis just very briefly, if you would, because we're running out time. do agree with out of time. do you agree with rishi has got a point rishi sunak? has he got a point or he no i think he or has he been. no i think he needs to grow up. >> he needs to grow up the country not in a good state country is not in a good state right we record right now. we have record inflation. we have got people that cannot afford their bills. we have got no housing. we've got infrastructure falling apart left, right and centre. and he's there like, but about this there like, but what about this little over here where i did little bit over here where i did some good work up, shut up. some good work crew up, shut up. like just don't he's

like i just don't see what he's even what moaning about now even what he's moaning about now and don't think it's telling and i don't think it's telling lewis point. lewis you make a good point. >> fair , but i think it's >> to be fair, but i think it's more about correcting the record. >> well, we're going to >> yeah, well, we're going to have there, folks, have to leave it there, folks, but emails will be but i'm sure the emails will be coming and still coming in thick and fast. still ahead, though , charge and chaos ahead, though, charge and chaos and emotional support. alligators, classics , saturday alligators, classics, saturday news. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. >> thanks for your emails to on the cyclists pat says i don't on cars actually pat says i don't understand why garages are filled with junk and the car is left out on the road. many car owners park very selfishly on roads and pavements. i believe in japan you can't a car in japan you can't own a car unless you have off road parking . that's very interesting. we have to check that but have to fact check that one, but i'm you're right. i'm sure you're right. peter says the cyclist, pay says for the cyclist, clowns pay road . would you pay road road tax. would you pay road tax? >> alvey because what we are

>> alvey no, because what we are doing is we are keeping healthy morally removing money morally and removing money strain on nhs. strain on the nhs. >> roads . >> the roads. >> the roads. >> maureen's graham says rishi is right to highlight the facts and says we have so and jones says we should have so much our country. the much pride in our country. the news about economy news about the economy should be on page. on every single front page. there well, it's there you go. right well, it's time for our next debate. >> britain's biggest >> indeed, britain's biggest motonnay service station provider has reported some shocking this week. shocking news this week. >> this, they're now having >> get this, they're now having to employ marshals to prevent electric car users battling it out over charging points. it'll be like vegans fighting over that last greggs vegan sausage roll. the chief executive of moto has said that what he called charge rage has been playing out across the country as drivers are forced to confront one another in a bid to charge up their vehicles . now, charge up their vehicles. now, the clear lack of electric charging points has resulted in long queues and public disorder with staff now being hired to try and keep the peace . i mean,

try and keep the peace. i mean, this is extraordinary, isn't it? who's got has anyone got an electric car? >> no, but god, most of you can't even know . can't even know. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do you know what i wonder if this is actually descended into fisticuffs? >> because if you need to get somewhere and it already takes like half an hour to charge your or more, i'm not and then or more, i'm not sure. and then there's someone in there and you must really be. absolutely desperate to get one of the charging because. >> because your car's you're free. >> loads of them are sometimes broken as well. yeah. >> so heard they have >> so i've heard and they have the wrong adaptors so regularly when i stop in the services up the motonnay you'll sort of pull into reading services for example. and they have this huge bank of, of charge chargers and it will be completely full and there will be a queue. but it depends on where they're going, like because they could have to sit there for 2 to 3 hours to charge a car . sit there for 2 to 3 hours to charge a car. yeah. and if you're somebody like me who needs to drive sort of 200, 150 miles in every single direction, having to sit and plan in an

extra two hours into your journey, he doesn't that just mean we need to be better at building the infrastructure needed to support an economy where more of us have electric cars? >> we've not been good enough at doing that. we need more fast chargers . we need electric car chargers. we need electric car chargers. we need electric car chargers super markets. we chargers at super markets. we need at leisure centres , we need them at leisure centres, we need them at leisure centres, we need at petrol stations . we need them at petrol stations. we need them at petrol stations. we need we also need the need to build. we also need the electricity for net zero. >> a brilliant point. let's take out the cycle lanes and put electric cars. >> that's not what we need to do i >> not at all. >> not at all. >> now a quick word. i'm so much more relaxed about this now. >> i think this is just ever since they've pushed back the petrol i'm like, petrol car ban, i'm like, well, it's fine. i think it's just teething issues and eventually they'll a system. they'll figure out a system. people people people will calm down, people will the will know where they are in the queue it'll be fine. queue and it'll be fine. >> you know what? i think we're all just a bit grumpy these days. out days. it's everyone's out for their on their own, aren't they? now on to final this evening, to our final story this evening, an tale across an intriguing tale from across the one, an emotional the pond. this one, an emotional support yes, you support alligator. yes, you heard correctly, denied heard that correctly, was denied entry into a baseball stadium on

wednesday. now, wally, there he is , othennise known as wally is, othennise known as wally gator. very good. was not allowed into citizens bank park with owner joy haney for the match, which saw the philadelphia phillies take on pittsburgh. mr haney claims that the alligator is a support animal after it helped him through depression . oh, wally through depression. oh, wally has also has thousands of fans on social media where he's famous for hugs and kisses. so, darren, do you think this man should have been allowed to take his support alligator into this stadium? >> i mean, emily, i've kissed some things in my time. >> never anything that scary. i tell you that much for free. >> so, no, i don't think i would feel all that comfortable with with being in a park. with wally being in a park. >> that's health and safety gone mad, isn't it? >> louis, you cannot an >> louis, you cannot have an alligator wandering around, alligator just wandering around, no matter what your excuses for. i'm sorry . is no matter what your excuses for. i'm sorry. is its mouth i'm really sorry. is its mouth shut. i'm really sorry. is its mouth shut . what if there's kids shut. what if there's kids around? no, no, no . as a parent, no. >> muzzled . yeah. come on. >> muzzled. yeah. come on. >> muzzled. yeah. come on. >> he's got a little t shirt on, a little . a little. >> don't want him nibbling at my

kids legs and someone's screaming. it's support. screaming. it's for support. >> no they need both legs? >> don't want your kids nibbling on my legs. but, you know, they're well trained. >> things like that. >> things like that. >> you a sensible >> normally, you are a sensible voice of reason, but tonight you're saying that this man should allowed to take an should be allowed to take an alligator into a sports stadium. are you mad ? are you mad? >> is that even good for the alligator? >> he's got more tiktok followers than all of us combined. >> you know, he's a national treasure. so maybe it's just maybe it's just to in maybe it's just a ploy to get in the we've just fallen into >> and we've just fallen into his well, yes. his hands. well, yes. >> worked, hasn't it? >> well, it's worked, hasn't it? yeah.i >> well, it's worked, hasn't it? yeah. i mean, the fact is being , you know, promoted in this country. reporter in this country, i think that's all we've for. we've got time for. >> country, the xl >> and in this country, the xl bully the poor bully might be after the poor wally so, anyway, thank you very much guests tonight much to our guests tonight who've fabulous. who've been absolutely fabulous. next brilliant mark next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan sure will be one dolan who i'm sure will be one to watch. cheers. very much for watching. and again , cheers very watching. and again, cheers very much to lewis and diane there. let's get your weather before we get some mark dolan .

get some mark dolan. >> hello, i'm marco petagna . >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. over the next few days, we'll see mixed weather conditions across the uk. outbreaks of rain at times areas, but equally times in most areas, but equally some too. the some warm sunshine too. at the moment low pressure moment we've got low pressure moving southwest . moving in from the southwest. these bringing these weather fronts bringing outbreaks many areas outbreaks of rain to many areas fairly tightly isobars fairly tightly packed isobars to again, towards the again, particularly towards the north—west. we'll see some north—west. so we'll see some windy and that's windy conditions and that's certainly the case as head certainly the case as we head into the overnight period. outbreaks rain moving in from outbreaks of rain moving in from the southwest many areas the southwest across many areas , become , tending to become more confined the north—east confined towards the north—east of scotland we head into the of scotland as we head into the early sunday. also early hours of sunday. and also a band a fairly slow moving band affecting slice of affecting the central slice of the across wales into the uk here across wales into parts of northern england. pretty warm towards the southeast 16 17 degrees, a southeast at 16 or 17 degrees, a little bit fresher towards the north northwest . but as we north and northwest. but as we head into sunday, then this band of continue affect of rain will continue to affect parts wales, northern parts of wales, northern england, midlands england, the north midlands throughout tending to throughout the day, tending to weaken giving some heavy weaken after giving some heavy bursts of through bursts of rain through the morning here. whereas towards the uk it's a the south—east of the uk it's a brighter generally fine brighter picture. generally fine here throughout the day and brighter towards the north and

northwest with just 1 or 2 showers around times showers around at times in the sunshine the south—east sunshine towards the south—east becoming 23 24 becoming very warm 23 or 24 degrees amid 70s in fahrenheit and towards north. and even towards the north. not bad 18 as for bad at 18 celsius. as for monday, with that, band of rain will pep up once again across that central slice of the uk. so parts of wales, the midlands, northern england, even the south—west of england see south—west of england could see some monday. some rain at times on monday. brighter showers brighter with a few showers towards and towards the south—east and generally brighter generally turning a bit brighter with showers as we with scattering of showers as we head and wednesday

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