communities. a 55 towns, including seven in scotland and four in wales, will be given the funding over the course of a decade. funding over the course of a decade . it's likely to involve decade. it's likely to involve auctioning empty high street shops , reforming licencing rules shops, reforming licencing rules on bars and restaurants, and supporting more housing in urban centres. as liz truss will urge the conservative leadership to cut corporation tax back to 19, the former prime minister will say the tories must position themselves as the party of big business again to stimulate growth . as she used to make a growth. as she used to make a speech on the fringe of the tory party conference cutting corporation tax was included in her mini—budget during her brief tenure in downing street, which sent the pound tumbling. ms truss is one of dozens of tory mps who've promised not to support the chancellor's autumn statement tax statement if it contains tax rises, along with the former party chairman, sir jake berry rises, along with the former party chairman, sirjake berry . party chairman, sir jake berry. >> all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't

materialised. that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up . it's for keeps. it is taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> the family of the school coach driver who died in a crash on the wirral yesterday have described him as a loving husband father . they say husband and father. they say stephen shrimpton suffered medical issues at the wheel of the coach. the 40 year old was a father to two children. the 15 year old jessica baker also died in the crash and four other children were taken to hospital , including a 14 year old boy whose injuries are said to be life changing . the aslef union life changing. the aslef union has denied today's train strikes were politically motivated after the government said it was planned to coincide with the conservative party conference. train drivers at 16 operators in england walked out in their long running dispute.

england walked out in their long running dispute . another strike running dispute. another strike is planned for wednesday when the conference ends and many parts of the country had no service at all. and those that did run finished earlier than usual and hundreds of demonstrate voters lined the streets of london to protest against the rosebank offshore development earlier. they're demanding the government reconsider approval for the controversial oil field located 80 miles west of shetland. it is the uk's largest untapped field and is estimated to contain up to 300 million barrels of oil . to 300 million barrels of oil. now, that is it. from the moment from the gb newsroom. now it is time for headliners . time for headliners. >> hello and welcome to headunes. headlines. >> i'm stephen allen and i'm joined by mad dog lewis schaefer and big dog nick dixon.

>> we have a lot of dogs here, but no foxes. >> how are we both doing? we managed to get not quite through the weekend yet. >> halfway through the >> we're halfway through the weekend. far . weekend. survived so far. >> it's a great time for you, steve. >> it's a time to be >> it's a great time to be a moderate lefty with an interest in science because i can't i can't see that really going wrong i mean, it's wrong for you. i mean, it's mainly for next mainly career wise for the next couple weeks, but personally, couple of weeks, but personally, it's to be on it's not a great place to be on the scene. it wasn't good the dating scene. it wasn't good back day. yeah, don't put back in the day. yeah, don't put don't in your tinder bio. don't put it in your tinder bio. let them find out gradually. yeah >> can i be a moderate lefty with science ? with an interest in science? >> i'd love you to try , but i'd >> i'd love you to try, but i'd somehow. i don't think it would land. >> as i said last night, i did a i did a chat gp2 and asked if i was a right wing comedian and they said no. chatgpt so it must be true. it must be true then. >> so if the only people who think you've got reasonable views are computers or something, well, fair enough. let's move on to the front pages and get along to the and see how we get along to the observer . education ministry observer. education ministry keeps secret files on critics of schools policy. we'll talk about

that later . the sunday telegraph that later. the sunday telegraph shapps to send uk troops to ukraine. the sunday times badenoch piles pressure on sunak to quit echr the sunday express . £1 billion lifeline for derelict high streets. the sunday mirror. the baby who can't cry and the daily star sunday goes with socks maniac . sunday goes with socks maniac. and those are your front pages . and those are your front pages. all right. kicking off this in—depth look at sunday's front pages. let's go to the sunday times. lewis, what have they got ? >> well, it says badenoch piles pressure on sunak to quit echr . pressure on sunak to quit echr. i don't know whether it's piling pressure on us. she did an interview with the sunday times. this woman, kemi badenoch , who this woman, kemi badenoch, who i'm finding out more about and the think what's happening the way i think what's happening is, is sunday times is kind is, is the sunday times is kind of her to the new of positioning her to be the new replacement for rishi sunak

because as she's coming out with all these great ideas and she's just the latest person who's and i think because she's a person of colour, she was born in nigeria , india. she actually nigeria, india. she actually grew up in america . and then she grew up in america. and then she moved back here. so it's quite possible she could represent three countries and someone who left america because their career needed it. >> you've got a lot in common with this. is that. >> yeah, i think i think with her it's going to work out better than it's worked out for me. >> yeah. nick, you all know about this. look, people about this. look, some people think rishi's benefiting think that rishi's benefiting from having people around him saying can't get from having people around him sayin with, can't get from having people around him sayin with, saying can't get from having people around him sayin with, saying , can't get from having people around him sayin with, saying , c his get from having people around him sayin with, saying , c his the away with, saying, but his the core voter might like to hear any any weight to that point. there is something in there. >> i mean you could you could argue why why is rishi not able to with it if we're to get away with it if we're saying can saying that suella and kemi can get with them? get away with them? >> because are you suggesting it's racial grounds it's because of racial grounds or for or something? no. well for the stuff people heard stuff the people i've heard

opining podcasts, opining about this on podcasts, it's that wants be it's more that he wants to be not with some not associated with some of these he can these points of view so he can still garner the votes from the more moderate electorate, but still to the people who still appeal to the people who like these. suppose when like these. i suppose when you're of such a you're the leader of such a broad as conservative broad church as a conservative party, an element party, you have to do an element of that. you have to appease both sides of your party. i think reasonable. think it's totally reasonable. kemi sort of kemi is seen by the sort of remainer professional managerial class sort of extremist, remainer professional managerial clas actually sort of extremist, remainer professional managerial clas actually she's: of extremist, remainer professional managerial clas actually she's just extremist, but actually she's just very sensible she points out that but actually she's just very senspolicy she points out that but actually she's just very senspolicy is she points out that but actually she's just very senspolicy is sensible. s out that but actually she's just very senspolicy is sensible. there's at this policy is sensible. there's nothing extreme , she says, about nothing extreme, she says, about changing something that's, you know, laws that were made 100 years ago. thinks it's years ago. and she thinks it's perfectly reasonable, much as with zero, she it's with net zero, she thinks it's perfectly reasonable to amend with net zero, she thinks it's perfe(of�* reasonable to amend with net zero, she thinks it's perfe(of these nable to amend with net zero, she thinks it's perfe(of these things.) amend with net zero, she thinks it's perfe(of these things. she end with net zero, she thinks it's perfe(of these things. she talks some of these things. she talks about it needs updating and reviewing the echr law. and i think that's completely reasonable. i don't see what's wrong really . okay. wrong with that really. okay. and we can almost stick with kind stories. we go kind of the same stories. we go to telegraph . nick, to the sunday telegraph. nick, what they got their what have they got on their front almost linked. what have they got on their front so almost linked. what have they got on their front so story)st linked. what have they got on their front so story is linked. what have they got on their front so story is sunak. yeah. so linked story is sunak set ignore european judges set to ignore european judges blocking plan ? and the blocking rwanda plan? and the idea sunak could get idea is that sunak could get around this legally. this

attempt to ground the deportation flights using the new illegal migration act, which always sounds to me like they're saying the act itself is illegal, they've just got illegal, like they've just got it but it's the it through somehow. but it's the illegal act suella illegal migration act and suella braverman block any braverman could also block any future injunctions. the idea future injunctions. is the idea . and again, i see this as a perfectly positive why perfectly positive thing. why should european body get to should this european body get to ground our flights? and you know , do they really have a higher standard of rights and freedoms than it, since we than us? i doubt it, since we invented most of this stuff. so that's my thought on that. i don't if you want to say don't know if you want to say more about or go the more about it or go on to the shap story anything on that shap story or anything on that slice lewis well, think slice of it. lewis well, i think i think is, is it's like i think what it is, is it's like i think what it is, is it's like i they passed a law. i think they they passed a law. >> got this right, they >> if i got this right, they passed a law recently called the small boats bill, but it's called something else which says they can basically disobey the european court of justice of human rights. european court of justice of human rights . and so what human rights. and so what they're saying is they might

just say, well, we're not going to listen to the european court or we're not to going let them stop us. >> is this just without getting too much down the rabbit hole, is this one of those things where every so often there's a law where because you don't like it, you like the idea of being able go europe like the it, you like the idea of being able rightseurope like the it, you like the idea of being able rights act pe like the it, you like the idea of being able rights act was ke the it, you like the idea of being able rights act was usede it, you like the idea of being able rights act was used to human rights act was used to manage being manage to stop someone being deported like deported to america. we like that one. we didn't like the idea of america nicking our hackers. is one those hackers. so is it one of those laws where you only like it when it you, don't it disagrees with you, you don't like be something like it? it could be something in i mean, but what in that. yeah, i mean, but what do you think? mean, if we do you think? i mean, if we can't such a simple basic can't do such a simple basic policy few people can't do such a simple basic po rwanda, few people can't do such a simple basic po rwanda, is few people can't do such a simple basic po rwanda, is that few people can't do such a simple basic po rwanda, is that really! people workable? >> it's not a people. >> it's not a few people. they're talking about tens of thousands of people. they're doing it. >> i mean, the problem with rwanda, touch with you about rwanda, in touch with you about it know what they it yet, you know what they should ask me? >> let me into the >> i mean, they let me into the country, not going to country, so they're not going to listen. the problem the listen. i think the problem the problem is, is that is that everybody knows it's a form of punishment . everybody knows it's a form of punishment. and we're against any kind of punishment in this country or america, any more.

they don't want to punish people . and they know being sent to rwanda is not going to be fun for them . for them. >> before we take up too long on this, let's move on to what is probably the biggest story on the front page of telegraph. the front page of the telegraph. yeah, shapps to yeah, a big story. shapps to send to ukraine. send uk troops to ukraine. obviously is a development obviously this is a development because the army would in because the army would now in this military this train zelensky's military on the ground and the navy might move into the black sea. so this is escalation as i'm sure you is an escalation as i'm sure you know. so and it depends if you think it's a good or a bad thing. i suppose if leo was here, he'd be shouting about why it's a great thing, i'm sure. but people will see as but some people will see this as an escalation britain an an escalation of britain getting involved we getting more involved than we have suppose counter getting more involved than we have be suppose counter getting more involved than we have be ifuppose counter getting more involved than we have be if it pose counter getting more involved than we have be if it puts counter getting more involved than we have be if it puts more nter might be if it puts more pressure russia and ends the pressure on russia and ends the war that's another war sooner. that's another argument. will argument. but some people will see not a good thing. see it as not a good thing. >> this is a this is a horrendous thing that , first of horrendous thing that, first of all, not bringing all, they're not bringing they're not putting troops. exactly. training . the exactly. they're training. the troops. they're bringing the troops. they're bringing the troops home. they're bringing they're bringing they're sending british to the ukraine to

british troops to the ukraine to be trained there. so we're sending trainers. that's exactly what happened in vietnam. that's how it all started with kennedy sending trains , people. i don't sending trains, people. i don't know whether you remember that, you know, because you don't remember it, but this is that's what happened. so that's a huge problem. are prone problem. the russians are prone to missiles that are to to sending missiles that are to going kill those british troops. once those british troops are killed, britain is in killed, boom, britain is in it. so a nightmare. and but but so it's a nightmare. and but but the way before you go on, the big way before you go on, the big way before you go on, the nightmare is, is the biggest nightmare is, is right now and nobody knows this , winning. they are , russia is winning. they are winning. the problem isn't getting russia to stop doing what it's doing. the problem is getting ukraine say, getting the ukraine to just say, okay, we're going to accept things the they are and the things the way they are and the way the russians are winning is they off all they basically blocked off all of the grain from leaving the country black sea. country through the black sea. well, that's russian side. well, that's the russian side. but through through whatever that area is over there. and so they can't get the grain out. >> it's the first time i've heard you say anything positive about eating carbs. >> well, it feeds it feeds the

it feeds it feeds the ukraine and they're in deep trouble. and if we send our ships there, what's going to happen is the is the russians are to going attack those ships and then we'll be in a state of war with with russia. >> the positive at least said he was going to probably increase defence spending and ruled out diversity quotas in the military. i only have one line on story, but i already on that story, but i already know that's a good thing. yeah moving on the sunday express moving on to the sunday express . are they going with? >> well, rishi sunak levelling with? >> boost rishi sunak levelling with? >> boost forhi sunak levelling with? >> boost for forgotten .evelling with? >> boost for forgotten towns1g with? >> boost for forgotten towns .j with? >> boost for forgotten towns . i up boost for forgotten towns. i mean, he's trying to get re—elected, so he's spending money doesn't have on money that he doesn't have on situation it's a £1 situation that he. it's a £1 billion lifeline for derelict high streets and basically he caused the problem or the other guy boris johnson the tories caused the problem because they they locked down the entire country causing rampant inflation. >> well, let me jump in there a little bit. the high streets problems weren't caused by the lockdown. they slowly being lockdown. they were slowly being vacated years by high rates, vacated for years by high rates, by high rates . by high rates. >> i'd say. what's killed the

high street? high and no high street? high rates and no parking. basically parking. they've basically eviscerated the parking from from the high street. so everybody went off to tesco's and sainsbury's where there was parking. this has been a war on small businesses and sending a million pounds is not going to help the high street it's billion billion £1 billion. >> nick £1 billion. where is he going to get the money? he could get it from all of that misspent ppe contract . no, wait a minute. ppe contract. no, wait a minute. they're that. they're not looking into that. it's else would it's a shame. where else would he money? yeah, well, he get the money? yeah, well, i don't he's going to don't know where he's going to get it's going the get it from. it's going to the north, it can't be north, though, so it can't be bad. i think i've heard it's going to holland. sandwell could be get some be wrong. i'm sure i'll get some tweets, is. it's good tweets, but it is. it's good that he's doing it because boris, on boris, after all, won on a mandate of levelling up. so eventually we're that eventually we're back to that and before and a cynic will say just before the election, he's trying to win back seats. but of back red wall seats. but of course, not cynic, so i'd course, i'm not a cynic, so i'd never that. yeah, fair never say that. yeah, fair enough. then finally, we enough. and then finally, we move the daily move on to the to the daily star. nick, are going star. nick, what are they going with one here. with and why? a big one here. it's maniac. so england it's socks maniac. so england star tackle out, which star gets his tackle out, which is a of pun for romp but

is a kind of pun for romp but refuses to take off his not very romantic ankle warmers. so a randy england footie ace. are there any other kind of footie ace?i there any other kind of footie ace? i sometimes wonder scored with a model. another pun, but insisted on keeping his socks on the whole time. so. but luckily it was all over in minutes anyway. so it's classic daily star. i'm almost surprised. we've covered that because, you know, want highbrow know, we want to be highbrow here, but we've here, steve, but we've not quite. short of quite. that's fallen short of our standards, i would say. our high standards, i would say. i think we should apologise and i think we should apologise and i daily star because i think the daily star because i thought kind of thought this is the kind of story get ten years ago, story you get ten years ago, the idea footballer with idea that footballer sleeps with model. what how is this model. yeah. what how is this news? i thought i presumed they all did. and why are we hearing about it? >> w m w- about it? >> in this day >> and especially in this day and the worst thing and age, when the worst thing the was keep his socks the guy did was keep his socks on. i mean, a there's on. i mean, there's a there's a lot in the new news where they've done people have done so much worse than this. >> it can aid grip if you're on carpet well. so really carpet as well. so i really don't complaint don't know what the complaint is. fair we'll is. yeah, fair enough. we'll move it for part one. move on. that's it for part one. but coming up, we're running out of sexist ceos. and

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radio. >> welcome back to headliners. i'm stephen allen, still here with lewis schaffer and nick dixon. as if ofcom weren't busy enough this week to the mail on sunday. lewis rishi sunak attacks the bbc and not for cancelling the mash report, which i'm sure he's still bitter about. >> and it's a fantastic thing. i used to love love. i didn't watch you it, but i knew. watch you on it, but i knew. i know that were and it know that you were there and it was a good say, my was a good, a good say, my friend, is there anyway, rishi sunak bbc sunak slams the for bbc inaccurate and inaccurate commentary and accuses broadcaster accuses public broadcaster of refusing figures was refusing to publish figures was showing uk economy recovered showing the uk economy recovered faster than france and germany post pandemic and this has to do with the gdp , which they were. with the gdp, which they were. they were showing a law, a reduction in the gdp, a negative shnnkagein reduction in the gdp, a negative shrinkage in the gdp , and it shrinkage in the gdp, and it really turned out to be 1.8% higher than it pre—covid levels

, which is more than germany and more than france . but did the more than france. but did the bbc report it? no, they didn't report it. this is the most interesting story because people don't . they think that the don't know. they think that the that the bbc is an arm of government and it's an independent thing. they're all like self—employed. >> you're the one who calls it the state propaganda network. on this nights they are this show, most nights they are the state propaganda network. >> but the government, then the government is the state. the government is not the state. the government is not the state. the government team world government is the team world ideology which has taken over the country , taken over half the the country, taken over half the country, at least , and taken country, at least, and taken over world, taken the over the world, taken over the european it's european world. there's it's a bit complicated because i don't really understand it myself. but what's there's an ideology of team world which all the things fit into . and the bbc is control fit into. and the bbc is control and they either are controlled by it or they actually believe it themselves . right? it themselves. right? >> nick my slightly cynical take on this is, you know, when the numbers are going well. the office for national statistics say, oh, that's a great place.

but as soon as it said bad things, who would listen to that bunch of nebulous wokery ? is it bunch of nebulous wokery? is it just case of picking the just a case of picking the numbers that the government likes and moaning likes and then moaning that they're more? likes and then moaning that they'ri more? likes and then moaning that they'ri mean, more? likes and then moaning that they'ri mean, don't more? likes and then moaning that they'ri mean, don't knowore? likes and then moaning that they'ri mean, don't know why well, i mean, we don't know why the didn't cover sunak the bbc didn't cover it. sunak being little wry , saying being a little bit wry, saying he's surprised they haven't mentioned he's surprised they haven't merstory�*d he's surprised they haven't merstory for two years, but now the story for two years, but now it's they mention it's higher. they don't mention it, one could be forgiven it, and one could be forgiven for it's not top the for thinking it's not top of the bbc's list priorities to say bbc's list of priorities to say why is doing better than why britain is doing better than europe. sort of europe. if you have a sort of remainer what's remainer bias, that's what's implied sunak saying. remainer bias, that's what's implisi sunak saying. remainer bias, that's what's implis destroyingiunak saying. remainer bias, that's what's implis destroying us.|k saying. remainer bias, that's what's implis destroying us. i saying. remainer bias, that's what's implis destroying us. i mean, ng. usa is destroying us. i mean, they've got a 6.1% bounce back, but we are , let's face it, but we are, let's face it, beating germany. always beating germany. that's always worth we've got worth celebrating. we've got 1.8. france has 1.7. none of these are amazing numbers. and like i we're poorer than like i say, we're poorer than mississippi now in britain, so we're not doing great compared to the us. but i do think it should why does should be news. why does it always to negative about always have to be negative about britain? an awful britain? you know, it's an awful place and we're not proud and we're losing. terrible. we're losing. it's terrible. brexit we do brexit is terrible. but if we do get , which is different to get a win, which is different to the previous information, it should okay should be publicised. yeah. okay the observer, nick and suella

braverman fan . yes. braverman founder, fan. yes. interesting one. far right figures praised braverman's illegal migration comments and vow to capitalise on her intervention and they're referring to mark collette, who incidentally did a documentary with russell brand back in the day. so he'll probably be now disowning russell brand because it's probably worse to be brand now than it is to be far right. that's where we're at in the world. but yeah, essentially that's where we're at in the worlcit3ut yeah, essentially that's where we're at in the worlcit wasveah, essentially that's where we're at in the worlcit was he1, essentially that's where we're at in the worlcit was he1, es:praising, what it was he was praising, he's called he's from something called patriotic group and patriotic alternative group and he's praising suella braverman speech. it speech. now, of course it doesn't necessary mean that suella is evil. there suella braverman is evil. there seems be a bit of a hatred of seems to be a bit of a hatred of braverman from places like the guardian, kind white, guardian, often kind of white, middle hate middle class people that hate braverman. ironically just braverman. ironically but just because doesn't because they agree, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's braverman's at fault. right? because at our because look at look at our mainstream parties far left mainstream parties with far left views. labour and views. you know, both labour and lib they're both their lib dems, they're both their leaders believe women have penises and they often believe in left theory. so in radical left theory. so i don't necessarily don't think it's necessarily a problem. think with migration problem. i think with migration you have to be there are two real groups. there are those who are understand that it's a

problem to tackled . problem that has to be tackled. and then there are people that virtue to sound good virtue signal to sound good but have solutions what we're have no solutions for what we're actually about it. actually going to do about it. to groups. to me, those are the two groups. do there is a third do you think there is a third group of people who emotionally hate than should? hate it more than they should? or there's just or do you think there's just those problem those two groups? it's a problem that bit of a look at that needs a bit of a look at and people who virtue signal is there any any error in other there any any error in the other side? could side? no, it's true. they could they could be people who are obsessed it. yeah yeah. obsessed with it. yeah yeah. here's off here's someone who puts us off the migration. well the idea of migration. well i think migration is, think the migration issue is, first all, they've first of all, that they've changed migration. changed the name to migration. >> immigration. it >> it used to be immigration. it was seeking thing. i was asylum seeking thing. i mean, term migration is mean, this term migration is a recent phenomenon , isn't it? recent phenomenon, isn't it? recent? it seems recent anyway . recent? it seems recent anyway. the fact is, hasn't it always been the case, if it is called migration, if you want to know the direction, to the direction, but it used to be it used to be that they say the people who were trying to reach here asylum seekers, which here were asylum seekers, which implied wherever they came implied that wherever they came from way worse than where from was way worse than where they're landing gear. in britain . and by calling it migration , . and by calling it migration, you're thinking, well, it's not

their basically they're jigging their basically they're jigging the language. they're saying it's not that bad. they're they're just migrating. so that's that's a deliberate attempt on the government to control the narrative, which they have every right to do. but we did a thing there was a poll done and they said that of the most issues in most important issues in the country , only 26% said migration country, only 26% said migration was the most important, was possibly the most important issue. and we at gb news, whatever we think , it's the whatever we think, it's the number one. it's like trans or all trans all the time . it just all trans all the time. it just seems that the people don't seem to be that excited about it. >> but with the cost of living one's surely high up there because it's in your face, isn't it? £10 for a jar of coffee is one and everyone it it is. >> and but it's, it's more important than, than this the sunday. >> was that a good point i think you made a good point. i'm still slightly in shock about it . you made a good point. i'm still slightly in shock about it. i'm not sure i'll rethink about it later to try and work out if it wasn't one. the sunday telegraph. and they could

telegraph. lewis and they could be for be asking you to stand for election. you election. oh, no. could you imagine thing? imagine such a thing? >> can't because >> yeah. they can't because luckily in this luckily i can't vote in this country and i shouldn't give away my immigration status because someone might might criticise anyway about the cost of living anyway. yeah, it's the tories fall short of finding 100 new election candidates to meet party conference deadline. they want to get 100 because so many people, so many of the tories are leaving and they need new people. they've got 65, which is a lot before they want to prepare the residents of the thing. this is people don't understand how bad this is because in america they local people choose the candidate. they have a primary system where they ask the locals, who do you want to like? the local republicans would choose here it comes from above. it's like , you comes from above. it's like, you know, we're sending this guy over there to be the candidate . over there to be the candidate. and so they don't speak for the people . i and so they don't speak for the people. i think this country

needs a primary system, local , needs a primary system, local, local community. and that's one. and can i just say that's one of the reasons why . the people do the reasons why. the people do not feel that their candidates represent them, especially the tories . tories. >> interesting. nick they set their own deadline , didn't they? their own deadline, didn't they? they've missed their own deadline. this is greg hands guy sets the deadline, misses it. it's just an error of deadline making more than anything else. yeah, not yeah, that part's not particularly interesting, is it? it's think it's quite interesting to think about. about about. i've thought about trying to a candidate, and i do know to be a candidate, and i do know some that can make it some people that can make it happen because get in happen because i thought, get in low at the low when the party's at the bottom wants to bottom and no one even wants to be mean, look at it. be in. i mean, look at it. you've 50, nearly tories you've got 50, nearly 50 tories saying plan to quit saying they plan to quit parliament rather than face the next this is time next election. this is the time to by whatever it is. to get in by low whatever it is. but then i realised they would simply everything simply go through everything i've they i've ever said, which they already they're already doing now. so they're just the hundreds of just fine. and the hundreds of hours you know, hours of my podcast, you know, it's cancelled it's just i'll be cancelled immediately to even immediately before i get to even fix single hospital ward. so fix a single hospital ward. so in as much future in it. but

even given they even with that, given that they struggled even people struggled to get even 100 people to stand, you could be cancelled and they might to and they still might have to say, no say, please, yeah, we have no one. just the one. yeah right. just the absolute yeah that's what absolute dregs. yeah that's what i'm running. that's my campaign slogan. cards . the slogan. just business cards. the observer, nick and this government is monitoring some of our social media, so at least someone's reading tweets. someone's reading my tweets. yeah, disturbing . yeah, this is quite disturbing. it's government yeah, this is quite disturbing. it's files government yeah, this is quite disturbing. it's files on government yeah, this is quite disturbing. it's files on educationlent keeps files on education critics, social media activity. so what that means is if you've criticised the department for education and they're keeping files on you some as long as 60 pages and people are finding this out and they're absolutely stunned by it, of course it's the guardian. so you do you take it pinch of salt. but it all with a pinch of salt. but it all with a pinch of salt. but it does seem to be quite disturbing. it's one of those things can do. we have the things we can do. we have the technology, but it doesn't necessarily mean we should do it. a caveat it. and i might add a caveat here perhaps the reason is here that perhaps the reason is that in the that they're so worried in the for education about for department education about hiring speech hiring someone for a speech that in turns to be a in two years turns out to be a wrong and or is not the flavour of and is then of the month and is then cancelled . so not that i'm cancelled. so not that i'm saying i'm excusing this because

it's cycle. tell it's a vicious cycle. like tell you better do. a you what, we better do. get a 60 page just in case page file on you just in case we're in the future. we're embarrassed in the future. so the whole thing is disturbing . is is . yeah. i mean, lewis is this is it a detailed file and it's all some sort of suspicious thing or are they just printing off people's to make are they just printing off peopyou've to make are they just printing off peopyou've said to make are they just printing off peopyou've said bad?ake sure you've not said bad? >> don't know i've >> i don't know because i've been through things been through similar things in in southwark, where in in the in southwark, where i'm , where they've decided i'm from, where they've decided they keep track of people and they keep track of people and they say, well, we're not going to let this person pass dissipate in this situation because he's he's trouble. i because he's he's trouble. so i believe thing is this thing believe this thing is this thing is worse than you think. and the government should. >> but why ? but the thing about >> but why? but the thing about maybe is just tweets in case because if you delete a tweet and they want to point out your hypocnsy and they want to point out your hypocrisy at some stage , i'm not hypocrisy at some stage, i'm not saying i like it, but it shouldn't government. shouldn't be the government. >> is a department for >> this is a department for education . it's part of the it's education. it's part of the it's part of the state. whatever the government i don't know what you part of the state. whatever the goveit,nent i don't know what you part of the state. whatever the goveit, thet i don't know what you part of the state. whatever the goveit, the authority, now what you part of the state. whatever the goveit, the authority, the what you part of the state. whatever the goveit, the authority, the partt you call it, the authority, the part of whitehall. so it's not it's not benign. it's not like, oh, we're just keeping some guy in

the in town keeping a record. it's there's one department that should be doing homework, though. >> yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> very good. >> very good. >> the telegraph, lewis and the financial regulator is apparently out sexism. apparently stamping out sexism. have they been asked to lend a hand here? hand around here? >> well this is this is >> yeah. well this is this is also troubling because this is part of the team worlds thing, which is we don't care about money because we have so much money, these rich people anyway, financial mission , financial regulators, mission, quote unquote, mission creek creep on stamping out sexism in the city is overkill, says tory mps . and this is the common mps. and this is the common sense group of mps . and they say sense group of mps. and they say the financial conduct authority, the financial conduct authority, the fca, should stay purely focussed on protecting consumers by promoting competition and ensuring market integrity when they're constantly worried about sexism in the city of london and women and brexiteer nigel farage, our own guy , he was farage, our own guy, he was debunked by coots, but the fca said we didn't see any any problem there when it was right

in front of them. so mr >> i know it's in the same article. it just seemed like article. itjust seemed like it's a separate thing. i honestly don't know which way to fall down on this because half of the argument is actually if you sort sexism, you have some sort of sexism, trouble level, trouble on the board level, it's bad for your profit. so they are following but we already following profit, but we already have it. help have laws against it. help me out and teach some wisdom. out and teach me some wisdom. well, concern it's always out and teach me some wisdom. well, cwhen1 it's always out and teach me some wisdom. well, (when large s always out and teach me some wisdom. well, (when large companies dangerous when large companies or institutions take what are actually ideological actions and they implement essentially highly contested political ideas as it's just an objective as if it's just an objective standard. it's just dangerous standard. so it's just dangerous when they go beyond remit when they go beyond their remit . is they're not . the other point is they're not doing actual which doing their actual job, which is being out this is being pointed out here. this is my concern. why is why are they delving into territory? and delving into this territory? and this the of this is the argument of the of the 14 mps have this the 14 mps who have written this letter. say, in short, letter. and they say, in short, we feel this has we feel that this regulator has adopted activist adopted an activist interpretation far removed from the principle of equality, that our would understand or our voters would understand or support. the thing support. that's the thing they've gone beyond their remit. and essentially dangerous way or certainly . do you see certainly unhelpful. do you see that there could a link? the that there could be a link? the argument made there

argument that's made in there about the fact that profits will be impacted by some sort of a sexist scandal , and if your job sexist scandal, and if your job is to try and make sure that, you know, you are making good profits, you can make an argument about sticking your nose in. >> can. but that's a that's >> you can. but that's a that's a business decision . this is a business decision. this is this happened in america in 2000, before 2008 with the prime whatever the prime loan for the bank banks were subprime where they said, we've got it, we've got it. we can't worry about making money. we've got to just help certain groups . and they help certain groups. and they gave massive loans to gave out massive loans to people, massive numbers of loans to people who couldn't couldn't pay to people who couldn't couldn't pay it back because they were trying to do the right thing . trying to do the right thing. and then and then 2000 lehman brothers and the whole thing collapsed . collapsed. >> so definitely feel no clearer about that. that's expected. >> okay. >> okay. >> so that's it for part two. but upin >> so that's it for part two. but up in part three, you but coming up in part three, you can't say anymore, even can't even say fat anymore, even though just did. though i definitely just did. and pronouns be a problem and pronouns could be a problem for navy. well, use for the navy. well, they do use the his in most of the the word his in most of the

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well come back to headliners. >> let's move now to the sunday telegraph and nick, the nhs has some private dicks , which seems some private dicks, which seems fitting. that's good. that was a good one. i was laughing inside . nhs trusts hiring ex—police officers in a move that could discourage whistle blowers. so the is revealing that the telegraph is revealing that retired been retired officers have been employed currently employed by a trust currently under for its treatment under scrutiny for its treatment of raise patient of doctors who raise patient safety concerns . and one has safety concerns. and one has taken up a patient's safety incident investigator role worth more than 57,000 years. steve, can imagine that much money? can you imagine that much money? so no. this is the critique so no. so this is the critique is that if you've got police there, it's not going to encourage people to come fonnard, if there's fonnard, especially if there's some in the past this some indication in the past this has happened. you've been the person and has happened. you've been the persget and has happened. you've been the persget blamed. and has happened. you've been the persget blamed. you and has happened. you've been the persget blamed. you know,and has happened. you've been the persget blamed. you know, this you get blamed. you know, this kind thing with bad kind of thing happens with bad management, can't bring management, but you can't bring anything the one anything up or you're the one that blamed. messenger that gets blamed. the messenger is to speak. and that's is shot, so to speak. and that's the that's definitely the concern that's definitely happened well. these happened as well. these

vexatious . but vexatious investigations. but it's almost thing that it's almost the thing that almost bothers with almost bothers me with this story was happening story is that was happening whether hiring former whether they were hiring former cops that's not really cops or not, that's not really the scary bit. it's practise the scary bit. it's the practise of investigating someone as a punishment for whistleblowing . punishment for whistleblowing. >> the fact that the >> right. and the fact that the nhs is not not doing the nhs is not is not doing the these trusts. you know, it's probably not all trusts, but some of these trusts like the lucy letby situation, people made complaints about her and she was not. and it wasn't respect . and they you know, they respect. and they you know, they were one woman. i think lucy letby think she had a nurse. she had to make an apology, a formal apology. when lucy letby was killing people , doctors had to killing people, doctors had to do mediation with her as well . yeah. >> the other side of this would be surely they're allowed to have investigations to look into this stuff. you can't defang a trust if it wants to defend itself. nick no. well, i see what you mean . it just. it just what you mean. itjust. itjust depends, doesn't it? if they actually are doing a good job and finding the. it's so important to find out these , important to find out these, these negligence has

these where negligence has occurred . but the is that occurred. but the danger is that you're penalising the whistleblower. honestly, steve, i've this tonight. i've just read this tonight. it's going to shock i don't it's going to shock you. i don't actually solution . i actually have the solution. i know you lost what you're looking to me for. i thought you'd have nailed this one and moved next one now. moved on to the next one by now. no i was trying to just think of funny to about it, funny things to say about it, and confirm there aren't and i can confirm there aren't any actually, did in the any actually, you did one in the intro that's the only joke intro and that's the only joke that be about is that can be made about this, is it's grimmest story. it's the grimmest story. it's one driest one of the grimmest, driest stories done. and stories we've ever done. and we've some dry we've done some grim dry stories. out stories. steve the only way out of a rude joke that was, of it was a rude joke that was, you know, parts based. so, you know, not high know, it's clearly not high standards telegraph. standards to the telegraph. lewis and the navy problem lewis and the navy has a problem with you with gender specific words. you wait out they wait till they find out they employ seamen. employ loads of seamen. >> that's one those >> yes. and that's one of those words personnel told to words the navy personnel told to introduce themselves with pronouns guide. pronouns in trans guide. and so it's this is this is it's basically this is this is another one of those woke stories . the navy goes work and stories. the navy goes work and they've got they've got words like boatswain isn't that like a boatswain isn't that isn't that a navy word. yeah. >> boson. yeah. >> like the higgs boson. yeah. >> like the higgs boson. yeah. >> that it's a different >> not that it's a different whatever the petty whatever it is. and the petty officer was only two

officer there was only two that i can think and the truth i can think of. and the truth is, is that is that people don't introduce themselves on a ship by, by mr and mrs. or do they go. they go. petty officer. this they don't i don't think they in they don't i don't think they in the navy they don't go mr or. yeah. or do they. i don't know maybe in britain they, in the article it says a way to improve inclusivity is to introduce self with pronouns. inclusivity is to introduce self witii pronouns. inclusivity is to introduce self witii knomronouns. inclusivity is to introduce self witii know to nouns. inclusivity is to introduce self witii know to be ns. inclusivity is to introduce self witii know to be accepting of >> i know to be accepting of someone else's pronouns would surely inclusivity surely be all the inclusivity you everyone make you need to make everyone make sure that they introduce themselves with these second or third person pronouns. seems a bit of a strange way of doing it. nick i reckon i could slightly guess your take on this. dare you ? i'm a this. how dare you? i'm a complex, rounded person. steve with many, many views. you couldn't possibly what couldn't possibly guess. what was guess? i think was your guess? i don't think you're a fan . no, you're right. you're a fan. no, you're right. you right. yeah. mean, you were right. yeah. i mean, look, idea constantly look, this idea of constantly educating educating is educating yourself, educating is one those words that woke one of those words that woke people. meaning people. there is a real meaning of be of education, which you'll be familiar that's word familiar with, but that's a word they meaning become they use, meaning become indoctrinated. they're going to be white privilege indoctrinated. they're going to bnthing white privilege indoctrinated. they're going to bnthing which ihite privilege indoctrinated. they're going to bnthing which ihite kindlege indoctrinated. they're going to bnthing which ihite kind of e a thing which is a kind of racist theory . and they're

racist quack theory. and they're going be told you're going to be told that if you're white, whatever situation you're going to be told that if you're wh itl, whatever situation you're going to be told that if you're wh itl, valmostr situation you're going to be told that if you're wh itl, valmost always on you're going to be told that if you're wh itl, valmost always thevou're going to be told that if you're wh itl, valmost always the case�* in, it is almost always the case that the outcome has not been affected your colour. affected by your skin colour. but white boys who but tell the poor white boys who are demographic least likely are the demographic least likely to university this to go to university in this country and white people earn 30% less or white men. i think it might be like chinese people 30% less or white men. i think it this1t be like chinese people 30% less or white men. i think it this country,e chinese people 30% less or white men. i think it this country,e chexample. ple 30% less or white men. i think it this country,e chexample. so in this country, for example. so i why is that. they i don't know why is that. they might say it's nothing to do with it's with skin colour, but it's certainly so certainly worth looking into. so what you don't know, you don't know how poor those poor know how more poor those poor white boys or more poorly educated those oh, they would have would have been. have been would have been. >> when they said >> it's like when they said oprah of oprah winfrey is a victim of racial discrimination and she's like billionaire. like multi, multi billionaire. yeah. you know, you don't know how she could have how much she could have accomplished a accomplished if she wasn't a person of colour. >> that's not history. the point is, though, that it's a contested theory. why are contested theory. so why are they being taught it? and as a former admiral here says, you know, the attorneys serve as one company. so anything that focuses on dividing people into little case little subgroups, in this case race a terrible idea for race is a terrible idea for something that needs to be a cohesive unit. >> obviously. this done >> obviously. and this is done by tory government. so under

by the tory government. so under the tory government, under the tory government, at the end of the day, that's all you need to know is that this country has been teamwork and been taken over by teamwork and the tory government's been taken over by team world every time you say team world, in my head, i'm hearing team america, world police . police. >> i don't know why. >> i don't know why. >> you know what? that's another team of team world. there's lots of places. well, what would you call it? i don't know what to call it? i don't know what to call it. it's a european globalist , you know, german, globalist, you know, german, france is . france is. >> we'll get some verbs and come back with a sentence in that later. the independent nick and someone has found a way to get net migration down. it seems nice. yes this is almost half of young black britons plan to migrate racism concerns. migrate amid racism concerns. landmark study highlights. they've asked more than 10,000 black british people and this is led by the voice newspaper. so quite a shocking one. and you wonder why this is because , you wonder why this is because, you know, one could cite the sewell report and one could easily

argue britain is one of the least racist countries in the world. that's basically world. i think that's basically a this point. and but a fact at this point. and so but then , of course, you know, if then, of course, you know, if that's these people's experience, then their experience, then that's their experience. i wonder if it's experience. but i wonder if it's something that's foreground something that's been foreground added mean, added unnecessarily. i mean, lest the holloway of the voice says there needs be says there needs to be a national conversation this says there needs to be a natinwel conversation this says there needs to be a natinwe need'ersation this says there needs to be a natinwe need race:ion this says there needs to be a natinwe need race back this says there needs to be a natinwe need race back on this says there needs to be a natinwe need race back on theis and we need race back on the political agenda, and i'm thinking is we talk thinking this is all we talk about. can we get it off the political agenda for about a day? because we didn't used to have it seemed have these problems. it seemed like solve like to some degree solve this problem. back. and problem. and now it's back. and okay, i don't know these people's experiences. people's individual experiences. so i think people's individual experiences. so an ithink people's individual experiences. so an illusion i think people's individual experiences. so an illusion that i think people's individual experiences. so an illusion that there's< it's an illusion that there's this perfect elsewhere it's an illusion that there's this britain's elsewhere it's an illusion that there's this britain's this elsewhere it's an illusion that there's this britain's this racist�*here it's an illusion that there's this britain's this racist place that britain's this racist place , you know, and there's no utopia elsewhere. michael utopia elsewhere. like michael oakeshott , it's to oakeshott said, it's better to have present than have present laughter than utopian bliss. that's the utopian bliss. and that's the conservative view conservative point of view anyway , that actually britain is anyway, that actually britain is relatively pretty great place. is in any way similar to is it in any way similar to those who say if labour those people who say if labour get going leave it? get in, i'm going to leave it? wasn't that an alan sugar thing? is sugar is this not exactly. alan sugar writ is this not exactly. alan sugar wriiwell, i don't about >> well, i don't know about that, that this is a that, but i know that this is a very optimistic poll. it says

only to live only 39% aspire to live elsewhere. and that's pretty much probably if you ask every person , every group of people in person, every group of people in this country , if they want to this country, if they want to live somewhere else, i guarantee you 39, 39. so it's not just black people that want it. there's something inherently british about wanting to get the hell off this island . hell off this island. >> there is something about i mean, britain is falling apart. i've said it's a great country, but i'm also saying it's also falling two falling apart. the two are somehow at same time . somehow true at the same time. and is also okay if they and this is also okay if they just want to leave because of cost and cost just cost of living and cost and just everythingness, then that's okay. i say some of okay. but can i just say some of the are pretty poor okay. but can i just say some of the are are pretty poor okay. but can i just say some of the are sort are pretty poor okay. but can i just say some of the are sort ofre pretty poor okay. but can i just say some of the are sort of said etty poor okay. but can i just say some of the are sort of said toy poor okay. but can i just say some of the are sort of said to be)or that are sort of said to be racial examples given of fitting in altering clothing in include altering clothing and hairstyles, speech patterns. okay. being expected join okay. and being expected to join workmates the pub after work. workmates at the pub after work. that's problem job. that's a problem in any job. yeah. tough at gb news yeah. and it's tough at gb news because, know, people come because, you know, people come in out fast. it's in and out so fast. so it's just, you know, meeting workmates. is that workmates. i mean, is that really a unique problem? really a unique black problem? he's you he's not unique. i tell you what, it's introvert problem what, it's an introvert problem as i do tests, i as whenever i do the tests, i come like ridiculously come out as like ridiculously highly introverted. and the idea

of go to a pub with of having to go to a pub with people, just. i can people, oh, i can just. i can already can feel the sweat already i can feel the sweat kicking in. dear. kicking in. oh, dear. the telegraph. i could telegraph. lewis and i could probably and try probably twist your arm and try and to talk about other and get you to talk about other people's diets . i know you don't people's diets. i know you don't really want to. but really want to. yeah, but please, just for a few hours. >> you know what? you're fat >> do you know what? you're fat . you're fat . we've become . you're fat. we've become a nation, too scared to say being fat is unhealthy . and the fact fat is unhealthy. and the fact is, being fat isn't unhealthy. it's just a sign of unhealthiness . oh, this is in unhealthiness. oh, this is in the telegraph. and what? and what the. and what they're trying to show that fat. too many people are fat. and we've got to we've got to stop , stop got to we've got to stop, stop people from being fat. but the truth is, is that i think i look a bit fat on tv, but i look amazing. if you saw me in real life, you'd say, wow, he's really slender. but the truth is, paintings may vary. you can be fat and healthy. there are percentage of the population that are fat and healthy, but mostly it's a sign that your diet is filled with , with fat,

diet is filled with, with fat, with fat, causing food . with fat, causing food. >> so the point of this is that you can't say fat to say it's bad for your health. and the argument for that is, so you're calling people fat. oh, if you get by i'm trying get upset by it, i'm just trying to out for your health. to help you out for your health. no ever does same no one ever does the same argument about smokers. no one feels be telling argument about smokers. no one feelyou be telling argument about smokers. no one feelyou stink. be telling argument about smokers. no one feelyou stink. in be telling argument about smokers. no one feelyou stink. in fact, we telling argument about smokers. no one feelyou stink. in fact, oftening you you stink. in fact, often the people who think, the kind of people who think, well, personal choice and well, it's a personal choice and let smoke want. and let you smoke if you want. and we able to call people we should be able to call people fat. that venn fat. it seems like that venn diagram doesn't fit the way it should. >> well, but problem is, is >> well, but the problem is, is that knows that that everybody knows that they've being they've caused being fat themselves. at the same themselves. but at the same time, at their own cause. right. but the same time that's they know now that it isn't their fault because food is so delicious. the sugar is guaranteed to make people fat. can you call people fat, nick? >> i mean, i've been called it quite recently, but we shouldn't. it's not nice to call people fat and it's obviously not obviously it's not nice. it's a ridiculous statement. but

there's a difference between that saying it's good to be that and saying it's good to be fat or fine, we all know fat or fine, because we all know actually isn't one, it's not actually it isn't one, it's not good know two. good aesthetically, we know two. that's not good your own that's not good for your own health. three is a drain on resources, right? and so resources, right? the nhs and so on. know that. and when we on. so we know that. and when we see a transformation photo on twitter we all celebrate. go twitter now we all celebrate. go well lost that well done. you lost all that weight that's weight because we know that's actually so actually a good thing. so there's this illusion, this lefty that like lefty nonsense that like everything, sorry steve, but there's this idea in our culture, there's this culture, let's say there's this idea in our culture, everything is equal. nothing has inherent good that's good or inherent bad. and that's just things just false. there are things that good, that are inherently good, inherently and just inherently bad, and that's just how you feel that how it is. but do you feel that you can't call people fat? this story almost says like, oh, you can't call people fat. these days. you think days. i think you can. i think it happens this show. it it happens on this show. it happens. it must happen on social say. social media, as you say. >> no, cannot inherently >> no, you cannot inherently from liking people. from the liking thin people. i call fat, but i only call call people fat, but i only call i fat. i call i don't call people fat. i call men you can tell a man, men fat. you can tell a man, i can say, hey, you're fat. and that's with each that's what men do with each other. but think with women, other. but i think with women, they're bit more sensitive they're a bit more sensitive about take about that. they take their looks me what i looks seriously. me and what i would i would like to say is

it's so hard to lose weight and it's so hard to lose weight and it's so hard to lose weight and it's so easy to gain weight. and the food itself that's in our food supply is so readily available that there's no shame in being fat. the only shame is in being fat. the only shame is in not recognising that we've been lied to about the food supply. >> less fat shaming than i expected, but a bit more misogyny. interesting the how is that male ? you can't say that that male? you can't say that about women . they're sensitive. about women. they're sensitive. enjoy your tweets. sorry, nick, can we go on this one? this is about bambi. has it become woke? no. i want my kids to see more graphic deer death . yeah. it's graphic deer death. yeah. it's former disney screenwriter behind bambi remake calls for scene in which the famous deer's mother dies to be scrapped because it's too triggering for parents and children. and of course, it is a traumatic scene, but also iconic scene. but it's also an iconic scene. it whole point of it was also the whole point of it, know, you remember it, it, you know, you remember it, you sort of stays you it, you sort of stays with you it, which problem. i which maybe is a problem. but i think absurd when think it's pretty absurd when we're i mean, we're cancelling bambi. i mean, it's of film

it's the whole point of the film and we have an opportunity here actually, have an actually, conservative have an opportunity movies opportunity because woke movies are hero's are so bad because the hero's journey, would argue, is journey, i would argue, is inherently it's inherently conservative. it's about personal striving and the individual and so on and overcoming . so i think there's overcoming. so i think there's an opportunity because they're going ruining long going to keep ruining long films. hopefully we're films. and so hopefully we're going making some good going to start making some good ones conservative ones on the more conservative side. big cancel. side. but it's not a big cancel. they're another they're making another version with death with a less traumatic death scene . you still show your scene. you can still show your kids original if you want. right. >> and it's not it's not the same film and it's every every filmmaker a right to make filmmaker has a right to make their statement the way their artistic statement the way they make it. the way they want to make it. the way they want to make it. the way they want to make it. and this person didn't want to include the and the why no the thing. and the reason why no one bambi nowadays one even sees bambi nowadays daysis one even sees bambi nowadays days is because of that scene. so if you want your movie to be seen no they it was reported that no. one, the kids today who don't go see bambi. >> i like the fact that the person they were talking about is it the writer left the project because she off to project because she went off to direct cemetery too. yeah. direct pet cemetery too. yeah. who ? that's more

who wouldn't? that's more wholesome. i'll show my kids that one. that's it for part three. but coming in the three. but coming up in the final will be all final section will be all supportive about women's football. balance , we'll football. but for balance, we'll let lewis talk about what laurence said coming up

soon welcome back to headliners and lewis. the metro claims that gb news has descended into chaos. let me refute that. this place has always been chaos , has always been chaos, especially since you joined. >> yeah , it's i don't know if >> yeah, it's i don't know if it's more chaotic than normal today . it's a bit of chaotic today. it's a bit of chaotic night, but gb news actually descends into chaos with unhinged stunt after laurence fox fallout. this was on last night's show and you have a bit of video. >> you can indeed. in case you missed it, we can show you the clip now. chaos at gb news. and this idea that all of these people are saying we have complete turmoil in the office. >> yeah, we're just getting on

with our lives and we're just trying to carry on as sensible broadcast . broadcast. >> yeah. and i think everyone is just using this opportunity to attack us. tell us more. >> well , somebody barged into >> well, somebody barged into the studio and got in illegally and we're very heavily protected studio here because it's and as he continued speaking right a man with unruly hair this is this is what as andrew was speaking a man with unruly hair and a tie around his head came running onto the set and started throwing newspapers into the air while and running in while screaming and running in front the which also front of the panel, which also included louis schaefer. and i actually say that , yes. and nick actually say that, yes. and nick disanto. yeah they namecheck me read out your own name. >> that's good. yeah. it's not clear whether that's a good thing week, but yeah, they clear whether that's a good thin mention zek, but yeah, they clear whether that's a good thin mention it. , but yeah, they clear whether that's a good thin mention it. ibut yeah, they clear whether that's a good thinmention it. i mean ah, they clear whether that's a good thinmention it. i mean ,1, they clear whether that's a good thinmention it. i mean , yes,5y did mention it. i mean, yes, it's the lowest form of journalism where you pretend not to context , to to understand context, to generate then you generate clicks, and then you read article and they call read the article and they call it unhinged stunt. and it's it an unhinged stunt. and it's like, okay, are they getting the joke they still

joke or are they still pretending because pretending not to? because you could see not a stunt could just see it as not a stunt at people were at where people were deliberately unhinged, deliberately behave unhinged, but stunt in but simply an unhinged stunt in motivation . i mean, i wasn't in motivation. i mean, i wasn't in that night. steve it's a bit broad for my taste, that kind of humour, but, it's clearly humour, but, but it's clearly a joke is completely joke and so this is completely insane joke and so this is completely ins.no, think i don't >> no, i don't think i don't think they got it. i don't think that they got it. i don't think that they got it. i don't think that they understand. really? the really? yeah if you read the thing, i don't think thing, it doesn't. i don't think that they got it because like every an april fools that they got it because like evergo an april fools that they got it because like evergo april an april fools that they got it because like evergo april fools april fools that they got it because like evergo april fools they fools that they got it because like evergo april fools they would you go april fools they would have have said have they would have said something say something already. they do say here, they're pretty sharp. >> they say three men seemed >> they say all three men seemed unperturbed by what was unfolding, making pretty unfolding, making it pretty obvious unfolding, making it pretty obvi(sussed that it was planned. they sussed that it was planned. so they're pretty sharp on that. but suppose it doesn't but i suppose it doesn't necessarily joke. necessarily say a joke. it says it's a good it's planned. it was a good performance everyone, i have it's planned. it was a good pesay.1ance everyone, i have it's planned. it was a good pesay. everyone everyone, i have it's planned. it was a good pesay. everyone kept'one, i have it's planned. it was a good pesay. everyone kept theiri have to say. everyone kept their cool, nicholas cool, though. nicholas santo only as a setting only has deadpan as a setting anyway, it was easy for him anyway, so it was easy for him onto sunday times. and onto the sunday times. nick and our fathers a raw our modern fathers getting a raw deal our modern fathers getting a raw deal. and a modern dad who deal. and as a modern dad who spent hours looking spent ten hours today looking after didn't nap after his son who didn't nap before do this, after his son who didn't nap before say do this, after his son who didn't nap before say yes. do this, after his son who didn't nap before say yes. i do this, after his son who didn't nap before say yes. i will) this, after his son who didn't nap before say yes. i will says, after his son who didn't nap before say yes. i will say yes, please say yes. i will say yes, steve, on your behalf, even though i'm not dad, i totally

though i'm not a dad, i totally back on the pressure. back you dads on the pressure. our modern fathers getting a raw deal our modern fathers getting a raw deal. they deal. of course, it seems they are. mean, the are. i mean, and the whole article basically how article basically is about how they're do too much. they're trying to do too much. they're trying to be everything to people, their do to all people, do theirjob, do everything as well, or everything at home as well, or many home. this is many things at home. and this is a ideally, i to a problem ideally, and i hate to say steve, ideally what say it, steve, but ideally what works person working, one works is one person working, one person the children. works is one person working, one person all the children. works is one person working, one personall i'm the children. works is one person working, one personall i'm saying. ldren. works is one person working, one personall i'm saying. ldre not that's all i'm saying. i'm not saying the saying which person the man working, that's what working, but that's just what works. now, can't always have works. now, we can't always have that in this economy. that's that in this economy. and that's very, that just is very, very sad. but that just is what and the thing that what works. and the thing that really when really broke my heart was when men have neglected male friendships which are crucial and disappeared from the five a side a side side team. i play five a side every luckily, the men every week. luckily, the men show there's always show up, but there's always that thing. out? thing. will they be allowed out? and that's a sort of and i think that's a sort of tragic thing. but the solution that someone suggests dan that someone suggests here, dan stanley, better man stanley, who has this better man service, well great service, it may well be a great service, it may well be a great service, but he talks about the myth to myth of masculinity. we need to address these barriers and the myth masculinity. it's myth of masculinity. now, it's not myth of not about addressing the myth of masculinity and men being all touchy about touchy feely. it's about embracing masculinity and allowing and have allowing men to be men and have male that's what i say. male roles. that's what i say. i'm sorry. yeah, i'm not complaining raising the

complaining about raising the kid. it's brilliant. spending time irks is do time with him. what irks is i do so much childcare. go so much childcare. then you go out will say, oh, out and someone will say, oh, his after today, his dad looking after you today, every just because every day. it's not just because i'm like babysitter. >> luckily, it's not going to be long because she's going to divorce loser. divorce you for being a loser. yeah. so disagree yeah. yeah. okay. so i disagree with does. and fat, you yeah. yeah. okay. so i disagree with not does. and fat, you yeah. yeah. okay. so i disagree with not that)es. and fat, you yeah. yeah. okay. so i disagree with not that fat. and fat, you yeah. yeah. okay. so i disagree with not that fat. you'ret, you know, not that fat. you're lovely. and. and no, i think i totally disagree . and i'm going totally disagree. and i'm going totally disagree. and i'm going to as a father of three, if you count jonathan as one of my children and i was a stay at home dad for three, four years, five years when the kids were being born, no respect being born, men get no respect for this and they get no respect . so. so men should not stay home. if a woman wants you to do stuff around the house, you just say i'm sorry or not and just run off. hang on. >> i think i said that, didn't i? well did you run out of time? i? well did you run out of time? i want to get on this. >> did you say that women. that women find that attractive? >> no. the male? me. >> no. the male? no, it's me. attractive. that's what attractive. i think that's what you say? i didn't you both did he say? i didn't say that. i didn't say that. >> you didn't that. well, say that. i didn't say that. >> sayingin't that. well, say that. i didn't say that. >> sayingin't women.well, say that. i didn't say that. >> okay,gin't women. well, say that. i didn't say that. >> okay,gin't heymen. well, say that. i didn't say that. >> okay,gin't he says. well,

say that. i didn't say that. >> okay,gin't he says that., >> okay, now, he says that political correctness is making comedy truth you comedy harder. truth is this you trying politically trying to be politically correct? you correct? oh, louis, what are you saying? is my story. saying? oh, this is my story. >> sorry, we're skipping final story. hold on second. story. hold on a second. i thought to deal thought we were going to deal with claims he's with bacteria. peter claims he's he's he's one of the funniest comedians . and he says he says comedians. and he says he says he was in he's written a book. he says, well, he was at the headune he says, well, he was at the headline says peter kay claims comedy minefield, quote comedy is a minefield, quote minefield, to minefield, unquote due to political correctness as he defends controversial little little sketches . little britain sketches. >> we're quickly running out of time . i just address time. i just want to address that point, people say you that point, nick. people say you weren't allowed to shows weren't allowed to make shows like this these days, but there's stand stuff there's loads of stand up stuff that that we that causes controversy that we talk on shows. talk about on these shows. that's this idea that's true, although this idea of a bride called a thai bride called ting tong mak dangdang and peter kay is going, it probably wouldn't made today. and peter kay is going, it pthinkly wouldn't made today. and peter kay is going, it pthink that'sldn't made today. and peter kay is going, it pthink that's fair. made today. and peter kay is going, it pthink that's fair. i made today. and peter kay is going, it pthink that's fair. i thinkde today. and peter kay is going, it pthink that's fair. i think ,5 today. i think that's fair. i think, yeah. so the show is nearly oven yeah. so the show is nearly over. get another over. just let's get another quick at sunday's front quick look at sunday's front pages. the observer education ministry files on ministry keeps secret files on critics policy. the critics of schools policy. the sunday telegraph shapps to send uk troops to ukraine. the sunday

times badenoch piles pressure on sunak to quit echr the sunday express £1 billion lifeline for derelict high streets and the sunday mirror gives us the baby who can't cry the daily star sunday socks maniac. and those were your front pages. that's all we have time for. thank you to my guests, lewis schaffer and nick dixon. josh howie is back tomorrow p.m, joined by tomorrow at 11 pm, joined by paul adam bloom. if paul cox and adam bloom. if you're five, stay you're watching at five, stay tuned breakfast and myself, tuned for breakfast and myself, a

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not once but twice to get both sides of that argument . plus, a sides of that argument. plus, a church in surrey will be holding a service for pets tomorrow, will be speaking to the reverend to ask a simple question. why all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from aaron armstrong i >> -- >> it is 6:00. good evening to you, aaron. armstrong here in the newsroom. the driver of a school bus who died after it crashed on the world yesterday has been named as stephen shrimpton. the 40 year old's family the father two family says the father of two suffered issues the suffered medical issues at the wheel of coach. they've paid wheel of the coach. they've paid tribute, describing him as a loving father. 15 loving husband and father. 15 year jessica baker also died year old jessica baker also died in crash and four other in the crash and four other children were taken to hospital, including a 14 year old boy whose injuries are said be whose injuries are said to be life changing. convicted child life changing. a convicted child rapist said to be a high risk sex offender is wanted by lancashire police . the force lancashire police. the force says 35 year old stephen pennington presents a real risk to children and women . he failed

to children and women. he failed to children and women. he failed to comply with licence conditions and being recalled to pnson conditions and being recalled to prison . he has links to prison. he has links to blackburn, blackpool and wigan and police are asking anyone who sees him or knows his whereabouts to contact them . whereabouts to contact them. dozens of conservative mps have signed a pledge to never again vote for an increase in overall taxes . former prime minister liz taxes. former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up , along those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers. the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains us tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference, jeremy hunts told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge

is different. it isn't