who've we've got 300,000 people who've been out of work for more than a year and our message is very simple. if you do the right thing , if you take a job and thing, if you take a job and there are lots of jobs out there, then we'll back you. >> extreme disruption. that's what patients are being to told expect as junior doctors and consults begun. a three day consults have begun. a three day walkout in england this morning . over the odds. >> nhs hospitals are paying their own doctors up to £7,900, a shift to cover striking colleagues who've been accused of ripping off the nhs by health chiefs and no mobiles in the classroom . classroom. >> pupils will be banned from using their phones in school dunng using their phones in school during lessons and breaks in an effort to end classroom disruptions and improve learning . does that come as a relief to you ? yes . you? yes. so let us know your thoughts on all of our talking points this morning. email us at

gbviews@gbnews.uk . com but first gbviews@gbnews.uk. com but first of all, here is the very latest news with ray addison . news with ray addison. >> thank you both. good morning. it's 931. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . now, the chancellor newsroom. now, the chancellor has told gb news that no substantial tax cuts are possible this year. speaker from the conservative party conference in manchester, jeremy hunt ruled out any reductions in income or inheritance tax. he blamed an increase in the government's debt interest payments and said his priority is to bring inflation right down. >> well, i'm saying that no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way at the moment. so it's not just inheritance tax, it's income tax. it's all the different taxes that people look at. if we start having big tax cuts, it would be inflationary . and when we've got inflationary. and when we've got inflationary. and when we've got inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down

a lot more. and the fastest way we can give help to families who are finding life really tough is to get inflation right down and that's the priority of me and the prime minister our junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout. >> that's the longest ever penod >> that's the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing in their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments being rescheduled . the being rescheduled. the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice. disservice to patients . and disservice to patients. and water companies want to increase household bills by £156 a year by 2030. it's part of plans to fund upgrades and prevent 140,000 annual sewage spills in history. regulator ofwat says there will forensically scrutinise the scheme to ensure the price hike is justified . the price hike is justified. it's expected to face a backlash from customers struggling with

cost of living pressures . you cost of living pressures. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gb news.com stories by visiting our website gbnews.com now let's get back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> good morning. it is nice to be back after my holiday. andrew pierce is now not a holiday exactly, but a lovely trip to manchester. andrew, what's it like ? i'm going to be joining like? i'm going to be joining you there later today. you've been to loads of party conferences. i've never been to one. >> well, i've got to tell you, i've been to a few compare to last year, which was there was a mood of the kamikaze in the air. liz truss's everything was imploding around. liz truss so the atmosphere better, but the atmosphere is better, but this is the party conference. they have to deliver a message to the electorate which shows, yes, should give us another yes, you should give us another term. they want to talk about the shy today. much the work shy today. how much money us. £5.2 money it's costing us. £5.2 billion in out of work benefits . but the backdrop is tax tax

cuts. so michael gove, the levelling up secretary, yesterday irritated number 10 when he talked about he wants tax cuts for the election. priti patel clearly on a leadership campaign already they haven't lost election yet. she's lost the election yet. she's talking about tax cuts and of course in the middle of all this rishi sunak the prime minister trying calm and in charge trying to be calm and in charge of what is clearly a party that's exactly united. that's not exactly united. >> bev do you think, andrew, these are these conferences, they are basically attended by all of the people who work hard all year on the ground for a political party. they are the door knockers and the clipboard holders. and do the politicians in that environment, do you think, have to speak to that crowd? no normally more than at the moment when they really need to tap into public mood as well. >> well, there is a bit of that going on this year because normally the ministers are particularly they're not talking to the conference all. to the conference at all. they're to tv they're talking to the tv cameras and to the the radio mikes because they're trying to get but get their message beyond. but there's a lot of tories here who think election already

think the election is already lost. message is to the lost. so their message is to the party activists will, party activists who will, of course, choose as the next tory leader. doubt leader. there's no doubt in my mind priti yes , today mind that priti patel yes, today the home secretary, dame the former home secretary, dame priti patel, was on leadership manoeuvres. to manoeuvres. and we're going to see of that today. she's see more of that today. she's going platform going to appear on a platform with truss. remember her? with liz truss. remember her? she prime minister for she was only prime minister for 49 days, but she's back and 49 days, but she's back here and she's her she's going to be attacking her successor platform of successor as whole platform of taxes as yeah, causing trouble and putting pressure on rishi sunak priti patel was sunak dame priti patel was incredibly nice about gb news last night at one particular dinner. >> should we have a little listen to what she said ? listen to what she said? >> i also want to welcome some more friends here tonight , our more friends here tonight, our friends that are here. the newest, most successful, most dynamic, no nonsense new station and the defenders of free speech. that is my friends at gb news. thank you . news. thank you. >> she she got the biggest round of applause. we just. we just cut it off. there a little soon, but the room applause lauded her enormously. andrew, what do you find up there? as part of gb

news as as the disruptive channel? >> well, i'm getting stopped all the time by tory members, tory mps saying thank you for what you're doing, keep it up. we need it. we know what the bbc's message is. they are determined to do everything in their power along civil service along with the civil service blob down this tory blob to bring down this tory government the fact government. they like the fact we've we're free we've got we're having free speech might have 1 or speech and we might have 1 or 2 of our own disagree segments on air sometimes. they air sometimes. bev but they don't that because they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's that because they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's all1at because they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's all part ecause they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's all part ofiuse they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's all part of the they air sometimes. bev but they don't it's all part of the great debate. >> absolutely. we all want to live in a world where we can have these strong and difficult debates to be debates and we're going to be doing a lot of that this week. i'm joining you i'm going to be joining you in manchester andrew, manchester tomorrow, andrew, so make you me a coffee make sure you get me a coffee ready this time tomorrow morning. >> okay? okay. bev so what can the announce over the the tories announce over the next days boost support next few days to boost support in polls? the pollster in the polls? the pollster and director partners director of jll partners scarlett mccgwire, joins me here in manchester. i've in manchester. scarlett i've been i remember been around so long. i remember the tory conference. the 1986 tory conference. mrs. thatcher went into that conference behind the conference way behind in the polls. came out of it way polls. she came out of it way ahead on to win ahead and went on to win a landslide. the tories here we

are behind in the are now, way behind in the polls. although there has been a contraction. ian, can they polls. although there has been a conithison. ian, can they polls. although there has been a conithis week 1, can they polls. although there has been a conithis week to can they polls. although there has been a conithis week to show:an they polls. although there has been a conithis week to show that1ey polls. although there has been a conithis week to show that the do? this week to show that the tories should win? the voters should trust them to deliver a fifth historic general election victory? >> well, i mean, first of all, i think you've just said part of the problem, which is that they've got a bit more of an uphill struggle on their hands. and even in 86, because uphill struggle on their hands. and evncoming in 86, because uphill struggle on their hands. and evncoming in for because uphill struggle on their hands. and evncoming in for an cause they're coming in for an historic fifth election, not only are they for the only are they asking for the pubuc only are they asking for the public elect them for a fifth public to elect them for a fifth time, but they're asking the pubuc time, but they're asking the public them again public to elect them again off the of a few years of the back of a few years of baggage chaos. now of baggage and chaos. now some of that has been outside the government's hands. know, that has been outside the gov pandemic, 1ands. know, that has been outside the govpandemic,1ancwar know, the pandemic, the war in ukraine. the sort of levels ukraine. but the sort of levels of conservative psychodrame that we've here in other we've seen here and in other conference venues over the years has their current has not helped their current situation. they've very situation. so they've got a very big mountain climb going into situation. so they've got a very big nextntain climb going into situation. so they've got a very big next electionclimb going into situation. so they've got a very big next election . imb going into situation. so they've got a very big next election . inb going into situation. so they've got a very big next election . i do going into situation. so they've got a very big next election . i do think into the next election. i do think there is room for the polls to narrow. we're seeing a little bit of that this week. we'll see whether that's going to be maintained over the next few weeks. think is weeks. and i think that is broadly speaking, two broadly speaking, about two things. the first thing

things. i think the first thing they'll need to do is to exploit they'll need to do is to exploit the public's current concerns about the labour party. at about the labour party. so at the moment, public see the moment, the public you see this in focus groups. i think you also see this a bit in the polls as they are. they want a change. they want to get rid of this government, but they are really, really unsure really, really, really unsure about they're about keir starmer. they're unsure saying unsure that he's not saying what he's do. think he he's going to do. they think he might be a little bit duplicitous, perhaps a little bit politicians bit like other politicians in that dishonesty, least that slight dishonesty, at least by omission. and so there's some distinct there. people by omission. and so there's some distnot there. people by omission. and so there's some distnot being there. people by omission. and so there's some distnot being wonthere. people by omission. and so there's some distnot being won over. people by omission. and so there's some distnot being won over to eople by omission. and so there's some distnot being won over to him) by omission. and so there's some distnot being won over to him en are not being won over to him en masse. and then more importantly, what they have to masse. and then more imjisrtantly, what they have to masse. and then more imjisrtantlhaveat they have to masse. and then more imjisrtantlhave to they have to masse. and then more imjisrtantlhave to persuade to do is they have to persuade a few of people, a lot few more of those people, a lot more of those people who voted for them in conservative, who voted them in 2019 vote voted for them in 2019 to vote for again. because at the for them again. because at the moment they're haemorrhaging them causing them and that's what's causing them and that's what's causing them damage. them the most damage. >> though, is a >> interesting, though, is a poll today of conservative voters said voters by another which said that amongst that boris johnson amongst conservative is by a long conservative voters is by a long mile , the most prime mile, the most popular prime minister we've had. now, boris is great trick back in 2019 was to project himself as a new leader. they'd been in power

already for nine years. he'd been foreign secretary for a few years of that. can rishi pull off that trick to show that he's, new and a fresh he's, in fact, new and a fresh face? well it's much face? well again, it's much harder with two prime ministers later. >> again of the same conservative which conservative government, which makes each time. makes it it's harder each time. i for that to happen. i i think for that to happen. i also think that, you know, there are of problems , especially are lots of problems, especially now with boris johnson electorally, is no electorally, but there is no doubt had something with doubt that he had something with the public that he very the public that he was very gifted at talking to people, at campaigning. that campaigning. we've not seen that yet sunak. i mean, he yet from rishi sunak. i mean, he was phenomenally popular during the what the pandemic. i think what he'll need on wednesday, it's need to do on wednesday, it's more in his announcements than his will his tone, but both will be important. going really important. he's going to really need through. he's going need to cut through. he's going to to do some striking to have to do some striking things to try and make some headlines. and things headlines. and two things that people, the public sitting at home will think, hang on, that's going to me. seeing going to help me. i'm seeing this different light this man in a different light than i did. you know, a month ago, two months ago. and that's going difficult. it's going to be difficult. but it's something mean, he could do. >> yeah, i mean, we've got things war on motors. well, things like war on motors. well, that's point, but

that's great to a point, but that's great to a point, but that's hardly a great narrative, is it, to take into the next general election vote for us because on the side of because we're on the side of motorists. he's going to talk about well, about cutting inflation. well, he's making progress on that huge stopping huge problem still with stopping the across the channel. the boats across the channel. does to come out with does he have to come out with a real stopping new idea that real show stopping new idea that we seen yet? we haven't seen yet? >> i would think that we'll need something. something >> i would think that we'll need somethi so something >> i would think that we'll need somethi so that something >> i would think that we'll need somethi so that it something >> i would think that we'll need somethi so that it can something >> i would think that we'll need somethi so that it can getnething >> i would think that we'll need somethi so that it can get intoing at least so that it can get into news bulletins and tv programs and be talked about by people like you know, going and be talked about by people likneed you know, going and be talked about by people likneed something, going and be talked about by people likneed something that going and be talked about by people likneed something that people| and be talked about by people likneed something that people at to need something that people at home can see. i also think that part of the about the war part of the thing about the war motorists and some the other motorists and some of the other policies be to build motorists and some of the other po|image be to build motorists and some of the other po|image of be to build motorists and some of the other po|image of him to build motorists and some of the other po|image of him someoned motorists and some of the other po|image of him someone who an image of him as someone who is the side of ordinary is on the side of ordinary people, especially if he can position himself as on the side of ordinary people against difficult authorities, of ordinary people against difficult labour,orities, of ordinary people against difficult labour, locals, potentially labour, local authorities be authorities that might be introducing measures that people feel like they feel to be punitive like they do, feel with do, like some people feel with motorists example, wales. motorists for example, in wales. yeah, think be yeah, but i think it will be trying to together that trying to piece together that sense this is a man that is sense that this is a man that is on their side. however again, we know that sunak starts at know that rishi sunak starts at a deficit from this a slight deficit from this because you know, he's because of, you know, who he's married because of some of

married to because of some of his background. people don't assume on their assume he's on their side because here and because i've increased here and have with labour. have conversations with labour. >> how can he >> he's saying, well, how can he possibly and the possibly be in touch? and the cost living crisis he's cost of living crisis he's a billionaire. he's married the billionaire. he's married to the daughter of a billionaire. but that's that labour daughter of a billionaire. but tha'going that labour daughter of a billionaire. but tha'going to that labour daughter of a billionaire. but tha'going to keep that labour daughter of a billionaire. but tha'going to keep pushing. ur daughter of a billionaire. but tha'going to keep pushing. may are going to keep pushing. may not fair because not be terribly fair because we've rich prime ministers we've had rich prime ministers before, as before, but none is quite as rich as this one. >> think it may not be >> so i think it may not be fair, but it's certainly effective and it cuts through in focus groups. people focus groups. if you ask people you see in sort of word you see this in sort of word clouds, when you ask for one word descriptions, you hear it in focus groups. when you ask people what think about in focus groups. when you ask peopisunak, think about in focus groups. when you ask peopisunak, they're ink about rishi sunak, they're not vitriolic. you know, vitriolic. they don't, you know, really dislike him, but they do think rich out of think he is rich and out of touch. he's going do touch. he's going to have to do a try and a lot of work to try and overturn that. it's not impossible. know, the public impossible. you know, the public don't or don't necessarily mind rich or potentially privileged prime minister. boris minister. we've had boris johnson, we've had david cameron. going to cameron. but you're going to need something need to do something to communicate understand communicate that you understand the people are the problems that people are going through are to going through and are trying to do it. do something about it. >> him last very >> i saw him last night very briefly, prime minister. briefly, the prime minister. we had was in had a little chat and he was in very of his very good form and one of his people to what does he

people said to me, what does he have i said, look, he's have to do? i said, look, he's the daughter he's the son the daughter of a he's the son of gp. and his set up her of a gp. and his mum set up her own business, own little pharmacy business, which strong in which is still going strong in southampton. make southampton. why don't you make more said, more of that? but and he said, we try to. >> well i mean, you know, >> yeah, well i mean, you know, we've think hear that we've heard i think i hear that keir even going keir starmer was even going to make we've heard make a joke that we've heard too much and their much about his parents and their sort background, his sort of their background, his next speech. but yeah, i think making more of a sense of his nhs background nhs is more normal background than might have then than the life he might have then subsequently know, subsequently led, you know, from university married university and who he's married to be a strong point. >> just very briefly, in a few seconds, your >> just very briefly, in a few seconcyou've your >> just very briefly, in a few seconcyou've doing your >> just very briefly, in a few seconcyou've doing this a hunch you've been doing this a long can they long time. you can can they possibly off? long time. you can can they posi bly off? long time. you can can they posi think off? long time. you can can they posi think it off? long time. you can can they posi think it is off? long time. you can can they posi think it is aff? long time. you can can they posi think it is a huge uphill struggle. >> mount everest potentially mount everest. and has he got the right climbing equipment? i'm is scarlett i'm not sure that is scarlett mccgwire, who a partner from mccgwire, who is a partner from jl partners. thank thanks very much. i'm going to go back to london now and talk bev london now and talk to bev. bev not the most optimistic conclusion of scarlett mccgwire there the tories prospects there about the tories prospects at the next election. it's a really difficult thing to envisage right now. >> andrew and i was just listening to scarlett then and i

was wondering what her take might be on the likelihood of maybe hung parliament, maybe having a hung parliament, because you say, the because as you say, the conservatives have have conservatives have got have have got less than a ten point lead now. sorry in the polls at the moment . and as andrew is still moment. and as andrew is still there, i think he's gone. oh, he's still there. he can hear me. actually, i can i'm me. and actually, i can i'm wondering whether there's any possibility really of a hung parliament at the next election and what would have to happen in between that because keir between that time because keir starmer popular starmer isn't wildly popular with the public for not necessarily the same person reasons that rishi sunak isn't popular, because i think they do see keir starmer as a little bit more. he a more more. he looks a bit more comfortable sleeves comfortable with his sleeves rolled pub, doesn't rolled up at the pub, doesn't he, talking the he, when he's talking to the electorate. don't think electorate. so i don't think it's necessarily personal it's necessarily on a personal level, think that there's level, but i think that there's a sense of disillusion with so many people who feel politically homeless they can't homeless because they can't really see the difference between the two parties and between the two main parties and might therefore reach out for independence , maybe like reform independence, maybe like reform or even just voting green because very strongly because they feel very strongly about current agenda .

about the current eco agenda. but i just wonder where we're going to go from here. i do think it's i it's too think it's very i think it's too early but i'd be early to say, but i'd be interested if scarlett interested to know if scarlett thinks a hung parliament likely. >> m atter, afraid >> doesn't matter, i'm afraid she's to off. bev so she's had to rush off. bev so what to we're what we're going to do is we're going your to going to put your questions to david of who is a david davis, of course, who is a man knows all about tory man who knows all about tory party conferences been party conferences and has been coming years coming here for many, many years . years. david, how many . oh, 50 years. david, how many years coming years have you been coming to tory oh, years tory conference? oh, 50 years at least. god. you don't least. oh my god. but you don't look be coming look old enough to be coming for 50 want into tax 50 years. i want to get into tax and work shy. let's scarlett and the work shy. let's scarlett mccgwire . her partner mccgwire from jll. her partner said it's a too big said she thinks it's a too big a mountain for the tories to climb. what the next time? >> oh, no, no . look, it's never >> oh, no, no. look, it's never too big a mountain. i mean, i've been around, as you say, forever. yeah. and back in pre—history, 1992. yeah everybody was saying we were to going lose, you know? and in practise, what we did, we came through the 21 majority. you know, so, you know, it's . it's know, so, you know, it's. it's always possible . well, it always possible. well, it depends on the discipline of the party. >> well, not much of that. >> well, not much of that. >> well, not much of that. >> well, that's that's why i raised the point. it depends on

discipline of the party. it depends the appeal that the depends on the appeal that the leader making. uniquely, leader is making. and uniquely, this time, i think it depends on that, because , you know, we've this time, i think it depends on that, in cause , you know, we've this time, i think it depends on that, in power, you know, we've this time, i think it depends on that, in power foru know, we've this time, i think it depends on that, in power for well)w, we've this time, i think it depends on that, in power for well over e've been in power for well over a decade. been in power for well over a decade . people are saying, oh, decade. people are saying, oh, it's broken. britain it's your fault. you've been here forever . rishi to make a . rishi has to make a distinction . now he's made one distinction. now he's made one distinction. now he's made one distinction. got distinction. he actually got a grip when he took over from liz truss . and, you it was truss. and, you know, it was obvious was running obvious he was actually running the government, before the government, whereas before it but the it was a bit chaotic. but the second half of it, the message and the promise to the people, if you like , the solution for if you like, the solution for the 25 year old who wants to buy a house or the 50 year old who wants to make ends meet and wants to make ends meet and wants bit slightly taxes wants a bit slightly lower taxes , things he's , all those sorts of things he's got, he's got to read present in himself and in his team . himself and in his team. >> well, let's talk very briefly before we get into tax, because that's the big story here. the chancellor is going to talk today the today about a crackdown on the workshop. i've heard these speeches . so you. speeches before. so have you. but making there. but he's making the point there. we're £5.2 billion we're spending £5.2 billion every of work every year on out of work benefits. saying those benefits. and he's saying those people who are

people on benefits who are making effort to get a job making no effort to get a job shouldn't get the same benefits. now watching program now people watching this program and program, and listening to this program, david, that. yes. but david, will cheer that. yes. but there's detail in speech there's no detail in the speech about sanction and he's about what sanction and he's going bring in to those going to bring in to those people who swinging the people who are swinging the lead, shirkers lead, the shirkers. >> well, you won't get that at a party speech. in party conference speech. in truth, the detail of it. and you're lots of successive you're right, lots of successive ministers have tried to control this, but this problem's now got out of control properly because post covid, i mean the number of people who are on welfare for with no intention of working is much bigger than it's ever been. and it's a serious threat not just to the balance of balancing the books. it's a serious threat to the productivity of the economy. know, we every economy. you know, we and every other western country have got economy. you know, we and every oti solve estern country have got economy. you know, we and every otisolve this] country have got economy. you know, we and every otisolve this. and ntry have got economy. you know, we and every otisolve this. and ntry ha right,: to solve this. and you're right, the people want it solved. had the people want it solved. i had a conversation on a on the a conversation once on a on the train when a train was empty in a covid days. but all the staff come and talk to me on bloc. so i had this big sort of meeting, if like, the train all if you like, on the train all working people, mostly working class people, mostly from said, well, from hull. and i said, oh, well, we're worrying about the

welfare. and said , oh, i welfare. and they said, oh, i shan't give you the exact quote because it's rude. they because it's rude. but they said, blighters back. said, get the blighters back. >> yes, yes, of course did. said, get the blighters back. >> they/es, of course did. said, get the blighters back. >> they/es, o andirse did. said, get the blighters back. >> they/es, o and these did. >> they said, and these are ordinary people from ordinary working people from council estates. >> this is good red >> and so this, this is good red meat for the activists. now, let's about tax , because let's talk about tax, because the chancellor is making a speech he's saying speech today. he's saying there's no prospect of tax cuts speech today. he's saying thethe no prospect of tax cuts speech today. he's saying thethe electionnect of tax cuts speech today. he's saying thethe election . ct of tax cuts speech today. he's saying thethe election . wef tax cuts speech today. he's saying thethe election . we knowcuts speech today. he's saying thethe election . we know that's for the election. we know that's rishi gove for the election. we know that's rishisomething gove for the election. we know that's rishisomething quite gove for the election. we know that's rishisomething quite different. said something quite different. the sector the levelling up sector yesterday. to have the levelling up sector yeste slapped to have the levelling up sector yeste slapped little |ave the levelling up sector yeste slapped little later been slapped down a little later in what what about in the day, but what what about the tax cut that keeps rearing its head ? the tax, the its head? the tax, the inheritance tax ? it only affects inheritance tax? it only affects 3% of people, maybe 4. why would the tories even contemplate that? >> well , you say only affects 3% >> well, you say only affects 3% of people. i think in truth , a of people. i think in truth, a lot more people feel threatened by it. i do the middle classes and the story of taxes down the agesis and the story of taxes down the ages is they start as a tax on the rich and they slide down the scale. you know, used to be the top rate of tax only applied to the very wealthy. now, even , you the very wealthy. now, even, you know, even the upper working class, a person, you know, a head teacher might have to pay

it. teacher certainly it. head teacher certainly would. , and most of the would. i mean, and most of the profession, so much of the middle class and some even of the skilled class have the skilled working class have to taxes now for the to pay these taxes now for the middle they've got middle classes. they've got a big you know, they've got a home, they've savings these home, they've got savings these days. cash in their days. they can cash in their pensions and on. so it's pensions and so on. so it's a significant chunk of money. if you've got or 4 kids, as you've got 3 or 4 kids, as i have , you you get have, you know, you don't get you get an allowance to you don't get an allowance to divide it's a lump divide it up. it's a lump sum overall . so think there's overall. so i think there's a strong argument for taking it out of their worry zone. >> so you'd have to raise the threshold than abolish threshold rather than abolish it, raise maybe 5 or 10 million. >> you know, to deal with the next decade really take it out of worry . but but then of people's worry. but but then what do you do on the other end? the rich actually don't pay inheritance tax, most of them because they've got clever accountants. they go and buy a load farmland or do load of farmland or they do something is something like that which is exempt inheritance tax and exempt from inheritance tax and the labor party will close that loop. why? loop. you ask yourself why? i don't owns half don't know. mr dyson owns half of or whatever is he of norfolk or whatever it is he owns. know, he's avoiding of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's know, he's avoiding of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's whyi, he's avoiding of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's why , he's avoiding of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's why , you avoiding of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's why , you know, ng of norfolk or whatever it is he own that's why , you know, it's tax. that's why, you know, it's

perfectly legitimate. yeah, but that's was designed that's not what it was designed for . it was designed to keep for. it was designed to keep farming not to not to farming going. not to not to give people a tax letter. so farming going. not to not to give jareyle a tax letter. so farming going. not to not to give [are ways tax letter. so farming going. not to not to give [are ways of letter. so farming going. not to not to give [are ways of dealingio farming going. not to not to give [are ways of dealing with there are ways of dealing with that think the middle that. but i think for the middle classes, ordinary people, you know, tax is not just about money. it's about worry. yeah you know, thinking, oh, i'm going to have to pay this or my kids are going to have to pay it. mind, we're it. and bear in mind, we're nearly the bank it. and bear in mind, we're nemum the bank it. and bear in mind, we're nemum and the bank it. and bear in mind, we're nemum and dad. the bank it. and bear in mind, we're nemum and dad. yeah,:he bank it. and bear in mind, we're nemum and dad. yeah, yeah,nk of mum and dad. yeah, yeah, yeah. i think there's yeah. so so, so i think there's a good argument to say raise it. not such a strong argument to say it. not such a strong argument to say okay. it. not such a strong argument to say okay. now there's a big >> okay. now there's a big argument about taxes here. ben houchen, argument about taxes here. ben houchervery popular figure, who's a very popular figure, saying mps should stop saying that tory mps should stop arguing tax cuts. isn't arguing about tax cuts. isn't this argue about this the place to argue about it? well does it present a disunited party? >> well, i think well , two >> well, i think well, two things. firstly, remember, this is election year. yeah. you know, and this is a party political conference of a party designed . it's designed for designed. it's designed for nothing else but winning election. >> the next election, the conservative party has stood for everything in its time, but always for winning. >> that's part. >> so that's the first part. i

think i'd say you can think i would i'd say you can have but for have your debate, but for heaven's be be polite heaven's sake, be be polite about it and don't hold out ridiculous options right? so, i mean, we know we've got a speech for today from liz truss coming along at and well, she's going to reverse the increase in to say reverse the increase in corporation tax and what what's important here is to remember the government has got responsibility for actually delivering on these things, not just right just talking about them. right and the mistake that liz made last year was to not think it through in detail. they claimed to be thatcherites thatcher was always very cautious. she took years , years. i mean, geoffrey years, years. i mean, geoffrey howe, her first chancellor, put taxes up. it wasn't until nigel lawson later that he had lawson came in later that he had scope bring down, but he scope to bring it down, but he did it in such a way that it more than for itself. more than paid for itself. not every tax cut will do that. so you can't just pretend cutting taxes own problems . taxes solves its own problems. you've got difficult you've got a really difficult technical question , but right you've got a really difficult technica what;tion , but right you've got a really difficult technica what they , but right you've got a really difficult technica what they aret right you've got a really difficult technica what they are reflects enough, what they are reflects thing is that most concern of voters want to see lower taxes. most conservatives want to see

the country running on on enterprise, on vigour, on ambition. you know, so you want to rejuvenate the small businesses, that sort of thing, small businesses are being whacked by a tax brought in by the former chancellor, rishi sunak. >> now the prime minister called ir35. briefly. explain what that is and why it's so punished. >> it's much older than rishi, is and why it's so punished. >> be s much older than rishi, is and why it's so punished. >> be fair. |ch older than rishi, is and why it's so punished. >>be fair. okayder than rishi, is and why it's so punished. >>be fair. okay itr than rishi, is and why it's so punished. >> be fair. okay it goesi rishi, is and why it's so punished. >> be fair. okay it goes way1i, to be fair. okay it goes way back into the blair days, but it's been expanded to cover small businesses basically saying you, you've got to prove you're a small business and you've got to do lots and lots of bureaucracy to make sure you're not just pretending papennork, expensive accountants and and worry. and know and worry and worry. and i know of at least one case where this a person who worked actually in your sort of business in the media had a £70,000 claim from the from the inland revenue right . they said, okay, we'll go right. they said, okay, we'll go to the tribunal. she went to the tribunal. she won the tribunal tax tribunal . she then went to tax tribunal. she then went to the further tribunal and she won

that one as well. so she won all of the tribunals inside the system. so then they took her to court or last time i court today or the last time i spoke she was facing spoke to her, she was facing £200,000 in legal. that is wicked. >> the hmrc should not be doing that to a small traders and if nothing else , there should be a nothing else, there should be a statement. >> look, will accept the >> look, we will accept the tribunals, okay? at least that's cheap. i come back to cheap. so again, i come back to this thing. it's not just the money, it's the worry. it's the burden. the work . putting burden. it's the work. putting people off, making wealth. >> we've got a minute left. i want to talk to you about hs2. you yorkshire the you are a yorkshire mp. the prime to prime minister is not going to tell this week that the hs2 tell us this week that the hs2 extension is not going come extension is not going to come to city of manchester. to this city of manchester. it would rather optic would be a rather bad optic david. but it david. david but should it should shouldn't be doing it should we shouldn't be doing it in first place. it's in the first place. it's billions of pounds out of control and who invented the idea in the first place? >> what's tony >> question what's what? tony blair. gordon brown. david cameron. theresa may johnson and truss all got in common. none of them have ever run a big capital project . now i have, yeah. all

project. now i have, yeah. all right. it wasn't as big as this 150 million whatever, but you 150 million or whatever, but you know, started i said, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is started i said, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is going started i said, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is going to tarted i said, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is going to costd i said, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is going to cost fouraid, 150 million or whatever, but you kn0\is going to cost four times this is going to cost four times as right. and as much. well, you're right. and it's that way. it's turning out that way. it was justified. said, was never justified. they said, oh, save 20 minutes oh, well, it'll save 20 minutes on a journey time. i don't know what when you're what you do when you're travelling on on, on business. >> reading newspapers or >> i'm reading in newspapers or working laptop. working on my laptop. >> work, i saving me 20 >> i work, i work saving me 20 minutes working time on the minutes of working time on the train not a justification. train is not a justification. and the other thing which is really worrying and this is where northern group who where the northern group who want the hs2 should think when you build big connectors like hs2 between two big cities, the smaller one loses out the bigger one grows, not the smaller ones . so birmingham would end up .so birmingham would end up losing out. manchester would end up losing out, london would grow. don't want that . grow. we don't want that. >> davis. he is a >> that's david davis. he is a senior tory mp here at the tory conference. i'm with you here all week and bev will be joining me tomorrow. still to come, we're to talking the financial secretary. first, we're secretary. but first, we're going the weather. going to the weather. >> there. i'm greg >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your

latest gb news weather forecast . a bit of a north south split in the weather today. outbreaks of across england and wales of rain across england and wales dry across northern dry and brighter across northern ireland scotland . though ireland and scotland. though first thing this morning is quite a bright start for many. however, thicker cloud soon however, the thicker cloud soon pushes and eastwards. pushes north and eastwards. across england and wales, the rain move in. this rain starts to move in. this turning increasingly heavy we turning increasingly heavy as we move the staying move through the day, staying brighter for northern ireland. northern england into northern parts of england into scotland. a scattering of scotland. but a scattering of showers here staying quite showers here and staying quite breezy the highlands and breezy across the highlands and islands temperatures islands to temperatures generally the high teens to low 20s 20 to 23 possible. if we do see any bright spells across the far south—east into the evening time , that rain turns time, that rain turns increasingly heavy for a time further showers move in across northern ireland and northwestern parts of scotland as we move into the early hours and again, that rain continuing to affect south eastern areas right through the night, but eventually some drier and fresher air starts to move in, temperatures lowering little temperatures lowering a little low double figures whilst the far south—east under the cloud

and rain holding up 14 or 15 celsius. and that rain first thing in the morning. but it soon quickly moves away. tuesday and then it's a bright day for all with spells and all with sunny spells and scattered , some of the scattered showers, some of the showers could be heavy times, showers could be heavy at times, particularly showers could be heavy at times, partthearly being blown in on and the west being blown in on quite a keen westerly breeze. best of the sunshine by the afternoon central and afternoon across central and south eastern areas, temperatures a little lower . temperatures a little lower. generally for generally the high teens for most areas. >> so it's day two of the tory party conference up in manchester. >> andrew pierce is there for the channel this morning and he's going to be talking in just a while. the financial secretary to the treasury, victoria atkins mp, out what it means if mp, to find out what it means if we have got no substantial tax cuts , what would that mean for cuts, what would that mean for you? does it mean you wouldn't vote conservative gb views at gbnews.com is the email address and i really want to

faint. i don't know if i'm supposed to be here. >> good morning. it's 10 am. on monday. the 2nd of october. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew is live at the tory party conference manchester party conference in manchester and in london and bev turner is in london today declaring war on the workshy i got nearly a million workshy. i got nearly a million vacancies across the economy . vacancies across the economy. >> we've got 300,000 people who've been out of work for more than a year and our message is very simple. if you do the right thing, if you take a job and there are lots of jobs out

there, then we'll back you. >> that's the chance that jeremy hunt vowing to turn the screw on the work shy later this afternoon. comes as he told afternoon. this comes as he told gb news no cuts are possible gb news no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way. we're going to have the latest with a government minister. >> extreme disruption that's what patients are being told to expect as junior doctors and consultants have begun a three day joint walkout out in england this morning over the odds nhs hospitals are paying their own doctors. >> guess how much £7,900 a shift to cover striking colleagues. they've been accused of ripping off the nhs by their own health chiefs and no mobile phones in the classroom. >> pupils will be banned from using their phones in school dunng using their phones in school during lessons and breaks in an effort classroom effort to end classroom disruptions learning disruptions and improve learning . good news at last for teachers , parents and students .

, parents and students. so we're going to have lots more from the tory party conference in manchester this morning. we want to know your thoughts on all of the stories gbviews@gbnews.com is the email. but first, here is the very latest news with . ray latest news with. ray >> thanks, bev. good morning. 10:01. our top story this hour, the chancellor has told gb news that no substantial tax cuts are possible this year . speaking possible this year. speaking from the conservative party conference in manchester, jeremy hunt ruled out any reductions in income or inheritance tax as he blamed an increase in the government's debt interest payments and said his priority is to bring inflation right down. >> well, i'm saying that no , no >> well, i'm saying that no, no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way at the moment . substantial way at the moment. so it's not just inheritance tax, it's income tax. it's all the different taxes that people look at. if we start having big tax cuts , it would be tax cuts, it would be

inflationary. and when we've got inflationary. and when we've got inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot more. and the fastest way we can give help to families who are finding life really tough is to get inflation right down and that's the priority of me and the prime minister as well. >> the chancellor's announcement comes ahead of his conference speech this afternoon in which he'll announce tougher rules on benefits . jeremy hunt says he'll benefits. jeremy hunt says he'll make it harder for people to claim welfare while they refuse to take active steps to move into work. meanwhile, as part of plans to get more people employed, he'll also announce a boost national living boost to the national living wage, will go up to at wage, which will go up to at least £11 an hour from april . least £11 an hour from april. former prime minister liz truss will call for tax cuts in her speech at the party conference later. speaking at a fringe rally, she'll urge the tory leadership to become the party of business again by slashing corporation tax. ms truss will also call for fracking and increased measures to boost housebuilding . her comments are

housebuilding. her comments are expected to put pressure on rishi sunak from the tory right .john rishi sunak from the tory right . john mcternan is the former adviser to tony blair. he says voters are sick of tory infighting . infighting. >> the truth is they're fighting each other at this conference. liz truss isn't making a speech. she's auditioning to rerun as party leader. they had 13 years and look where we are. that's what the voters will be looking at. they'll be going, yeah, you had your time. your time is over . can please call the next . can you please call the next election as quickly as possible so actually have the change? >> well, as we've been hearing, junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout . that's the longest day walkout. that's the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing . their last levels of staffing. their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments being rescheduled . and the being rescheduled. and the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients. dr. laurence gerlis is

a gp. he told us it's wrong to. strike >> i don't think striking is a good look for doctors and this is terrible for patients . is terrible for patients. another three days of cancelled outpatient appointments, cancelled operations. it's not just terrible for those patients , it's frightening for everyone that we know for the next three days. there's just going to be a christmas day service in our hospitals . hospitals. >> mobile phones could reportedly be banned from classrooms in england under new plans from the education secretary. according to the daily mail, gillian keegan will tell the party conference they pose a serious challenge in terms of distract and disruptive behaviour and bullying. schools would be ordered to outlaw the use of smartphones during lessons and in breaks . it's lessons and in breaks. it's hoped that the move will make it easier for pupils to focus . easier for pupils to focus. water companies want to increase household bills by £156 a year by 2030. it's part of plans to

fund upgrades and prevent 140,000 annual sewage spills in industry regulator ofwat says they will forensically scrutinise the scheme to ensure the price hike is justified. it's expected to face a backlash from customers struggling with cost of living pressures and high . inflation and finally , high. inflation and finally, donald trump may appear in court today in new york in a civil fraud case. the former us president is accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms . it comes a week after the terms. it comes a week after the judge found that mr trump liable for fraud and will largely concern the penalties that he must face. the prosecutor is seeking $250 million in fines and a permanent ban against trump from running businesses in . new york. this is gb news

across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to andrew and . bev to andrew and. bev >> good morning. thank you all very much for joining >> good morning. thank you all very much forjoining us on very much for joining us on britain's newsroom this morning. so i am here in london. andrew pierce is at the conservative party conference in manchester. andrew if you are there, wonder. >> i am i am . >> i am i am. >> i am i am. >> great. just just tell us for people who aren't as as marinaded within politics as, say, somebody like you are, that's worked for decades as a political journalist. what does it mean? these what are these conferences mean for the party? how important is it with an election possibly 12 months away ? >> well, normally this is a great opportunity for party activists to get their view across . they get to meet across. they get to meet ministers, mps. but a lot of this is about ministers getting their message beyond the party

conference or to the country. now, no more important than this year because this is without doubt, bev, the last party conference before the general election, the tory party chairman, greg hands gave the game yesterday his game away yesterday in his speech he said we're speech when he said we're there's year . there's an election next year. of course there is. so the tory government at tory party has government at the tory party has to , prove it's to come together, prove it's united, it's coalescing around rishi sunak leadership . rishi rishi sunak leadership. they'd be honest and say they've not the easiest year. the not had the easiest year. the polls are contracting a little bit in tories favour. bit in the tories favour. there's arguments about tax, tax cuts and tax rises of course, but this is crucial. this is the launch pad for rishi sunak's attempt to give the tories an historic fifth election victory. >> what's what's your theory, andrew, about the fact that the conservatives have had a bounce in the polls? do you think it could be the fact that keir starmer has been cosying up to the eu so much in the last few weeks? >> i think the tories have definitely bounce the definitely got a bounce in the polls for factors. as keir polls for two factors. as keir starmer been all over the starmer has been all over the place the eu, we all know place on the eu, we all know

what he wants. he wants to take us back in really, and he'll do it the back door he has it by the back door if he has to. also i think we've heard to. but also i think we've heard from minister a prime. from the prime minister a prime. i've often been critical of some real policy initiatives. he's really his foot fonnard. really putting his foot fonnard. so was on net zero, so whether it was on net zero, which really popular, which has become really popular, scaling back those targets on when rid, can't any when we get rid, we can't any longer buy a petrol driven car that's popular she's got that's popular and she's got a lot had a lot of flak. lot of she's had a lot of flak. but suella braverman speech, suella braverman speech. think suella braverman speech. i think was popular. okay was very popular. okay >> thanks, andrew. right. we're going talk now to the going to talk now to about the fact that labour's poll lead has decreased points with a decreased to ten points with a survey opinium showing labour survey by opinium showing labour at 39% and the conservatives at 29. so let's hear now from friend of the show, labour mp for perry barr. khalid mahmood. good morning, khalid good morning . that's not the news you morning. that's not the news you want to wake up to, is it, that the tories have had good the tories have had a good bounce the polls? why do you bounce in the polls? why do you think well ? think that is as well? >> look, i think basically because the tories are shifting very much to the extreme right suella braverman is pushing this

and they've got this sort of a bounce in the polls because people haven't quite understood what where they're going to and what where they're going to and what they're trying to do. and i think what we've got to do is replicate , look at what we're replicate, look at what we're doing and carry on doing what we're doing, because that's the only way to move fonnard. andrew was just saying about the issue around europe and what's happening europe is that sir happening in europe is that sir keir starmer is trying to negotiate right deal to be negotiate the right deal to be able migrants coming able to stop the migrants coming through , and that's got nothing through, and that's got nothing to europe at all. to access to europe at all. >> if that is his >> well, if that is his ambition, that clearly isn't getting through to the electorate. that message is it. all does is take all of those all it does is take all of those people, more than half of the country who voted for brexit and makes them nervous about voting for because he for keir starmer because he appears to extremely appears to be extremely comfortable cosying up to the eu i >> well, he's not cosying up what he's doing is what's necessary in to order ensure that we don't get these people coming through. first of all, risking their lives and having

people perhaps who shouldn't be coming through. and we need to get control of that. what he's saying going the saying is going to work with the authorities in europe to make sure after those gangs sure they go after those gangs and deal them and stop this and deal with them and stop this situation in which suella braverman been able to braverman has not been able to stop. and so therefore, she's lurching the extreme right lurching to the extreme right and trying do this. and and trying to do this. and that's what's is going to do is continue the hard work that he's doing and prove to the people before the next election that he's person to lead. he's the right person to lead. >> all right, kelly, don't >> okay. all right, kelly, don't go want to go back go anywhere. we want to go back to manchester, andrew to manchester, obviously, andrew pierce ground. pierce is there on the ground. he's now to victoria he's talking now to victoria atkins financial atkins mp, the financial secretary treasury. andrew >> yeah, victoria atkins. minister, good morning. the front pages , you'll be pleased front pages, you'll be pleased with them. a war on the work shy. this is going to be the speech by your boss, jeremy hunt, this afternoon. is it really £5.2 billion of spending every year and out of work benefits? why have we taken why is it taking the or is it taking till the 13th or 14th year tory government 14th year of a tory government to get to with this? >> well, in fairness, since 2010, we've seen a million

households that were worthless come into work. so there's been real progress made. but we know coming out of the pandemic that the jobs market has changed. we know one of the reasons is that we are seeing such high inflation in the uk over the last year has been because of the tightness of the labour market. we've got a million vacancies that are unfilled and this is actually great news. it shows how how economy is shows how how our economy is absolutely driving fonnard. but one of the things we need to do is, first of all, to make sure that those who are lowest paid in our country receive a fair wage. so that's why i'm wage. and so that's why i'm delighted that with the national living , because of the living wage, because of all the hard that we've done over living wage, because of all the hartlast that we've done over living wage, because of all the hartlast decade, /e've done over living wage, because of all the hartlast decade, we'reione over living wage, because of all the hartlast decade, we're going ver living wage, because of all the hartlast decade, we're going to the last decade, we're going to be meet it , the last decade, we're going to be meet it, meet our be able to meet it, meet our manifesto commentary . to have to manifesto commentary. to have to raise it to more than £11 an hour to get the, you know, the £1,000. yes. sorry figure. sorry. i'm getting a bit of a figure i'm getting. no, no, i'm

getting a bit of echo. sorry in my ear. if whoever's speaking my so it's just over £11 an hour. we're looking and will we're looking at and that will mean an £1,000 a year for mean an extra £1,000 a year for people on lowest wage. people on the lowest wage. >> the specific figure it's people on the lowest wage. >> th up.)ecific figure it's going up. >> so that will jeremy will be discussing this both in the speech this afternoon, but also importantly autumn importantly for the autumn statement, do have importantly for the autumn statyou nt, do have importantly for the autumn statyou know, do have importantly for the autumn statyou know, we've do have importantly for the autumn statyou know, we've gotio have importantly for the autumn statyou know, we've got the ave importantly for the autumn statyou know, we've got the big the you know, we've got the big fiscal coming november. the you know, we've got the big fisc he's coming november. the you know, we've got the big fisc he's sayingning november. the you know, we've got the big fisc he's saying also, november. the you know, we've got the big fisc he's saying also, isn't/ember. the you know, we've got the big fisc he's saying also, isn't he, ber. >> he's saying also, isn't he, that 100,000 people he's targeting who targeting specifically who i might i know might call shirkers i know you're not going to use that language, saying language, but he's not saying what going use language, but he's not saying wisay going use language, but he's not saying wisay because going use language, but he's not saying wisay because he's going use language, but he's not saying wisay because he's saying use language, but he's not saying wisay because he's saying theye to say because he's saying they shouldn't get the same benefits as people who are actively looking so how are you looking for work. so how are you going a sanction going to impose a sanction on the people shirking? the people who are shirking? >> again, this we will come >> so again, this we will come out with the details of this this afternoon at this both this afternoon and at the statement. the autumn statement. it's really you for really important, you know, for those people are trying those people who are trying their hardest to find work, their very hardest to find work, we them. and we want to support them. and there is help available in job centres for centres and help available for businesses. but it is not fair that there are people who are sanctioned. some 90,000 last year were sanctioned for not doing what they're required to

doing what they're required to do through this system and that's really trying do through this system and th.ensure really trying do through this system and th.ensure that really trying do through this system and th.ensure that these.ly trying do through this system and th.ensure that these peopleg do through this system and th.ensure that these people do to ensure that these people do play to ensure that these people do play their part. to ensure that these people do play their part . you know, the play their part. you know, the benefit system, the welfare system is there as a really vital safety net for people when they need it. but equally, if you're able to work, then we ask, please, that you do so. and this is what this is very much about. >> what's also not fair, minister, is the tax burden. it's highest in this country it's the highest in this country since world war. the since the second world war. the chancellor this morning chancellor has said this morning there will be substantial tax there will be no substantial tax cuts general election, cuts for the general election, not possibly changes on not even possibly any changes on inheritance why is a tory inheritance tax. why is a tory government potentially going into the next general election with the highest tax burden since 1945? >> well, look, cutting taxes is in our dna, but we want to cut taxes in a fiscally responsible way. so coming out of the pandemic, we spent £400 billion on supporting the country during the pandemic, not just through extra funding for the nhs , but extra funding for the nhs, but also through schemes such as the furlough scheme, which of course kept millions jobs viable kept millions of jobs viable across country . but that across the country. but that money now needs to be accounted

for as indeed . the £94 billion for as indeed. the £94 billion that we spent last winter looking after households with the cost of living pressures that we all faced , that again, that we all faced, that again, that we all faced, that again, that money has to be accounted for. and the pm and the for. and so the pm and the chancellor have look, chancellor have said, look, we've account for this we've got to account for this very, very important, but also very, very important, but also very sums of money that very large sums of money that we've put into the economy, into people's purses and wallets to help them through these difficult times we've do difficult times. we've got to do that through, example, that through, for example, raising but raising corporation tax. but we've tried to do that in the fairest way possible. so with corporation tax, even raising it to 25% means we're still the lowest corporation tax in the g7. that's really significant. and we're just as soon as we can. of course, we will be thinking about tax cuts. just we've got to get it right. >> i know you've got to rush. but you one last question. inheritance tax, very popular with activists. i've talked with tory activists. i've talked to a lot of people last night. is room for change in is there any room for change in the inheritance tax, even if it's in the king's speech or in

the as a tory, the tory manifesto? as a tory, would you like to see inheritance tax threshold raised as a treasury minister? >> i have to do that thing ahead of fiscal events. we've got the autumn statement coming in november i can't comment november 22nd. i can't comment personally, but what all i can say i understand where tories are coming from. absolutely. you know , the chancellor, the prime know, the chancellor, the prime minister , we're all minister, we're all conservatives. we're of the conservatives. we're part of the conservatives. we're part of the conservative family who've gathered massive numbers gathered in massive numbers today. course, we absolutely today. of course, we absolutely understand their concerns like inheritance to do it on the agendain inheritance to do it on the agenda in a fiscally responsible way. no, no, no, please don't read anything into anything. >> i think i might. i'm afraid we've the financial we've got to lose the financial secretary the treasury, secretary to the treasury, victoria atkins. so she's got a lot of interviews today. we're always have us on gb always great to have us on gb news. always great to have us on gb nev my >> my mike. >> my mike. >> we're going back to london because perry because the labour mp for perry barr calibre with bev barr calibre moody's with bev turner. he's going turner. i imagine he's going to disagree everything disagree with everything the minister beverly, minister said. but beverly, to you. minister said. but beverly, to youthat's right. apologies if >> that's right. apologies if you're listening on the radio that was actually victoria atkins earrings clicking on the microphone there. now, kelly, tell what you made what

tell us what you made of what victoria had to say there victoria atkins had to say there she doing a fantastically she was doing a fantastically political job of making things sound very good and very positive, particularly how many people are out of work when there are so many jobs available i >> -- >> hi. yeah, km >> hi. yeah, i think what she was trying to just basically do the old rounds of pushing the people and saying that we're going to get more people back into work. the fact is, since we've left brexit, we've got a million people that are that have stations that need to be filled, jobs that need to be filled, jobs that need to be filled , and they haven't done filled, and they haven't done anything about it. the only way we're going to get more people off the employed unemployment register is to look at how we deal with the issue of there's a huge issue of trying to get people trained properly to be able to do that work and of course some people will come up, some people won't to come up and

then we can decide who's not ready to do any work. so those are the key issues that we've got to look at. but it's going to be done properly, but not by picking on people who the most. >> okay. you know, khalid, we'd love to talk you, but the love to talk to you, but the this connection isn't great there morning. now, stay there this morning. now, stay with us. still come, is the with us. still to come, is the uk a laughing a to. uk a laughing stock of a to. i'll conservative i'll be asking conservative democratic organisation david bannerman we are gb news britain's news channel

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i >> good morning. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me in london and andrew pierce at the conservative party conference in manchester. you have been getting in touch with us this morning. thank you very much. is of course, in much. this is of course, in response to hunt saying response to jeremy hunt saying this he's going this morning that he's going to clamp down on work shy people claiming richard claiming benefits. richard has said not be said benefits should not be a safety net. sorry, should safety net. sorry, there should be net for the most be a safety net for the most needy. stopgap those needy. a stopgap for those seeking employment, but not a lifestyle for the work shy. it's gone down very , very well that gone down very, very well that that rhetoric , andrew, hasn't it that rhetoric, andrew, hasn't it theidea that rhetoric, andrew, hasn't it the idea that he wants to clamp down on benefits scroungers. it's a bit of red meat though, isn't it? always >> i know. and they don't use that language, of course, bev. i mean, i said it to the minister for treasury shirkers scroungers, but that's what it's about. scroungers, but that's what it's about . there's at least at least about. there's at least at least and i think there's probably more. identified more. they've identified 100,000in the system who've got no getting a job no intention of getting a job there, the long term unemployed.

and enough's enough, there, the long term unemployed. andthere enough's enough, there, the long term unemployed. andthere will enough's enough, there, the long term unemployed. andthere will beenough's enough, there, the long term unemployed. andthere will be sanction,>nough, there, the long term unemployed. andthere will be sanction, as ugh, but there will be sanction, as the minister says there'll be detailed afternoon. and how detailed this afternoon. and how if for a job, you if you don't look for a job, you shouldn't get the same benefits as who are actively as people who are actively looking a job. we want more looking for a job. we want more of prime minister. of that. please. prime minister. more that. chancellor peter more of that. chancellor peter has said it's fine for hunt to say that the government is going to crack down on the work shy by giving different benefits if they don't actually seek a job. >> but i thought that was already the case. i also have that question well myself. that question as well myself. that already the case. that was already the case. if you don't actively work, you don't actively seek work, then benefits are cut or then your benefits are cut or stopped a period time. stopped for a period of time. it's who are not it's the jobcentre who are not enforcing policy. i wonder enforcing that policy. i wonder whether jeremy whether this afternoon, jeremy hunt he intends hunt will clarify how he intends to turn the volume up, i guess, on those people who able to on those people who are able to slip through the net. >> i think he has to, and i think i mean, that is part of the thing. you think sometimes are they are they re—announcing something that's already happening? but i think is happening? but i think there is just a perception that the civil servants in particular are they're to enforce

they're not bothering to enforce they're not bothering to enforce the bothering the rules. they're not bothering to laws. and i have to enforce the laws. and i have a view anyway, most of the civil service is doing their best to bnng service is doing their best to bring the tory government bring down the tory government anyway course strikes. bring down the tory government anywe've course strikes. bring down the tory government anywe've said course strikes. bring down the tory government anywe've said todaye strikes. bring down the tory government anywe've said today three es. bring down the tory government anywe've said today three days >> we've said today three days of strikes, 61,000 doctors and junior consultants junior doctors and consultants going today. and going on strike today. and you've touch at you've been getting in touch at home about this, steve said. i don't pollsters don't know who pollsters speak to, don't know anyone who to, but i don't know anyone who supports doctors supports the doctors or consultants should supports the doctors or con be:ants should supports the doctors or con be on:s should supports the doctors or con be on strike. should supports the doctors or con be on strike. and should supports the doctors or con be on strike. and the hould supports the doctors or con be on strike. and the bma not be on strike. and the bma are known to be left wing. what they're doing is a disgrace. it's not it's not probably getting the attention it might normally these strikes because of the conference going on this week, andrew. but i think people are very fatigued by these nhs strikes . strikes. >> i think they are as well and we shouldn't forget as well the consultant who are on strike, 98 to 150,000 they're earning and they can go off and do private health work at the same time . health work at the same time. the junior doctors have accepted a deal in scotland. the bma have accepted a deal in scotland . the accepted a deal in scotland. the same deal is on offer in england, but they won't accept it. and it's all, of course,

because of the political persuasion of the government in scotland. the bma scotland. snp tory here, the bma are on a political crash course with the government and again i think junior doctors are being led by their nose, by their very political trade union and this is this is really sad actually. >> robert has got in touch to say that he's been on the waiting list since january for a vascular check. he said he's got noidea vascular check. he said he's got no idea when get one no idea when he'll get one because the strikes. he said because of the strikes. he said all 83, but i've all right, i am 83, but i've been invited to wedding in been invited to a wedding in egypt. because i can't get egypt. but because i can't get assessed, can't get travel assessed, i can't get travel insurance , can't go to the insurance, so i can't go to the wedding that want to go to. so wedding that i want to go to. so he says, thank you, doctors. you see that sort of dissatisfaction? andrew will play dissatisfaction? andrew will play into, won't it, how people vote election vote in the next election because we're all basing it on our own personal experience and dissatisfy faction at those sorts of services . sorts of services. >> yeah. and of course, i think at the beginning people were probably blaming the government , inflation is , but we've seen inflation is falling i falling quite fast now and i think people , as you said, bev, think people, as you said, bev, are just getting fed to are just getting fed up to the back teeth strikes and

back teeth of the strikes and don't get me started on the train drivers on strike on saturday hours get the saturday hours to get to the tory conference it will be tory conference and it will be hours to get back because they're striking on wednesday too, and will admit aslef too, and they will admit aslef it's to disrupt tories. it's all to disrupt the tories. it's frankly. yeah. it's pathetic, frankly. yeah. >> that cannot be >> the timing of that cannot be accidental, it? think accidental, can it? i think we've got news minibus on we've got gb news minibus on wednesday to get all home. wednesday to get us all home. very glamorous. so glamorous. now earlier today, eamonn and now earlier on today, eamonn and isabel spoke to chancellor jeremy asked his views jeremy hunt. we asked his views on tax cuts. this is what he said. >> there are no shortcut. guess what i'm going to be saying to the conservative conference today is that want faster today is that if we want faster growth end to taxes, ever growth and an end to taxes, ever getting higher, we can do that . getting higher, we can do that. but it's not a shortcut route. we have to take the difficult decisions. and with rishi sunak, we have someone who's to prepared take those difficult decisions. but chancellor, just be honest with us. >> how broke is the country ? i >> how broke is the country? i mean, how bad is it? >> well, i inherited a very

difficult situation in because it was straight after the pandemic , like a 1970s style pandemic, like a 1970s style energy shock . and i took very energy shock. and i took very difficult decisions in the autumn statement to balance the books. so that has restored the confidence of the markets. that's why rishi sunak and i recognise there are no shortcuts in these situations. but as a result of that we've started to see things really improve. inflation has come right down and we can now see that we've recovered faster than france or germany from the pandemic . and germany from the pandemic. and if we want to end taxes ever ratcheting higher then we've got to continue to make it easier for companies to expand and we've got to be more efficient in the way we spend taxpayers money, including reforms to the welfare system . um, if we're welfare system. um, if we're prepared to take those difficult decisions. and rishi sunak is then we can get to faster growth and ultimately bring down taxes. but when it comes to welfare ,

but when it comes to welfare, we've got nearly a million vacancies across the economy . vacancies across the economy. we've got 300,000 people who've been out of work for more than a year and our message is very simple. if you do the right thing, if you take a job and there are lots of jobs out there, then we'll back you. and that's why we are increasing the national living wage by more than £0.50 an hour. that's a pay rise for 2 million of the lowest paid people. and what that means by the way, is that since 2010, the pay for the lowest paid has gone up by £9,000 a year. and if you're asking me, isabel, why it is that unemployment has come down a million, that is the main reason the national living wage is a very, very significant reform. but yes, if you don't want to do that, then the benefit system should not be there to support you for life . there to support you for life. absent health conditions, which , of course, we understand some people have . people have. >> but also adding to the challenge when it comes to the

benefit system is the issues with striking in the nhs. a million appointments missed. we're seeing it again today with consults at doctors and junior doctors going on strike. one way of tackling the problem of trying to get people back into work would sorting out this work would be sorting out this mess industrial action. mess with industrial action. when to the nhs . when it comes to the nhs. >> i agree with you. >> well, i agree with you. i think these strikes are completely unacceptable. there extremely damaging to patients on your watch. the government's been very reasonable. yes. and the government's been extremely reasonable in being prepared to give them a generous above inflation pay rise as recommended by the independent pay recommended by the independent pay review bodies . so we would pay review bodies. so we would urge doctors to work with us to make the nhs better. and this is not the way to do it . not the way to do it. >> i just want to ask you lastly, this is the first conference for rishi sunak as leader. do you think it'll be his last? >> no, i don't. and i think what you're seeing with rishi sunak is someone who has, first of all, formidable ability , who all, formidable ability, who

works incredibly hard , but also works incredibly hard, but also has an ability that i have never seen before in my political life to cut through really difficult problems by getting his head around the detail and we've seen that with the windsor framework, which solved this very long running sore of the northern irish issue in the brexit agreement. we've seen it with joining the trans pacific trade agreement, the atlantic declaration on and you're going to see a lot more of that, not just this week but in the months ahead. and i think that's why people will say that we're on to a really good thing. >> well, loyal talk from the chancellor. still to come, with a corporation tax cut in cut and encourage investment. the former prime minister thinks here's prime minister thinks so. here's the news with . ray the news with. ray >> thanks, andrew. it's 1030. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top story, the chancellor has told gb news no substantial tax cuts are possible this year. speaking from the tory party

conference in manchester, jeremy hunt ruled out any reduction in income or inheritance tax. he blamed an increase in the government's debt interest payments and said his priority is to bring inflation right down. >> well, i'm saying that no , no >> well, i'm saying that no, no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way at the moment . substantial way at the moment. so it's not just inheritance tax, it's income tax. it's all the different taxes that people look at. if we start having big tax cuts , it would be tax cuts, it would be inflationary. and when we've got inflationary. and when we've got inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot more. and the fastest way we can give help to families who are finding life really tough is to get inflation right down and that's the priority of me and the prime minister our junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout, the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing their last joint strike in september to led almost

130,000 appointments, being rescheduled. >> the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients . and disservice to patients. and water companies want to increase household bills by £156 a year by 2030. it's part of plans to fund upgrades and prevent 140,000 annual sewage spills . 140,000 annual sewage spills. industry regulator ofwat saying that they will forensically scrutinise the scheme to ensure that the price hike is justified. it's expected to face a backlash from customers struggling with the cost of living . you can get more on all living. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . website, gb news.com. >> still to website, gbnews.com. >> still to come , a little bit >> still to come, a little bit of good news in my opinion. certainly no texting in class . certainly no texting in class. the education secretary, gillian keegan is going to announce a ban on mobile phones in schools, not just in the classroom , but

not just in the classroom, but at time as well. do at break time as well. what do you think of that?

from three on gb news choose . from three on gb news choose. >> good morning. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. thank you for joining britain's newsroom on gb news. thank you forjoining me. i am bev turner. andrew pierce is in manchester this morning at the conservative party conference, which the girls which means we're just the girls in now because in the studio now because i'm joined emma and sharm el joined by emma wolf and sharm el sheikh. morning, ladies. right. this a good news story. and this is a good news story. and

my we need good my goodness, do we need good news gillian news stories? gillian keegan education secretary, going to education secretary, is going to announce that she announce this afternoon that she wants mobile phones in wants to ban mobile phones in schools. what's your schools. bushra, what's your take on this? you've got you've got kids. do they have mobile phones? >> yeah, i've got i've got children, they've got mobile phones. i mean, to honest, phones. i mean, to be honest, they're allowed to they're not actually allowed to use the classroom use them during the classroom time or anything that. time or anything like that. but i a brilliant idea i think it's a brilliant idea and don't think that need and i don't think that kids need to mobile phones at school. to have mobile phones at school. so just i mean, there is a so just just i mean, there is a side of it which, you know, children need to contact parents when but when they're leaving school. but essentially it's all about learning. want to learning. we don't want them to have their focus taken away from what they're doing at school. >> you're right, people will what they're doing at school. >>watching'e right, people will what they're doing at school. >>watching this|ht, people will what they're doing at school. >>watching this and)eople will what they're doing at school. >>watching this and going, will be watching this and going, well, do mean? do they well, what do you mean? do they have phones the have their phones in the classroom the moment? classroom at the moment? emma and schools and of course, some schools don't, are finding don't, but schools are finding it really hard without clear guidance from the education secretary this. secretary on how to manage this. they've push and pull they've got the push and pull between, as bushra says, parents saying, ring saying, but i might want to ring olly at lunchtime and see if he wants pick now, wants me to pick him up. now, i absolutely support this. >> it seems ludicrous. okay.

there be an argument that there may be an argument that children analogue children need need a analogue mobile i.e. they can text children need need a analogue mobile on i.e. they can text children need need a analogue mobile on the.e. they can text children need need a analogue mobile on the way1ey can text children need need a analogue mobile on the way to can text children need need a analogue mobile on the way to schoolxt children need need a analogue mobile on the way to school or on mummy on the way to school or on the way back for safety. but i think every single school you should hand your phone as you should hand your phone in as you walk walk into walk into the as you walk into the and you get it the school gate and you get it back at the end of the day, if you need a phone at all. i don't understand why children, understand why young children, even up to the age of even children up to the age of 1015 need mobile phones. i really, really think really, really don't. i think that they have a that yeah, maybe they have a little that can little text thing that they can that can contact their that they can contact their parents they need the parents if they need to. the idea that you give the phone back break, no break time is back at break, no break time is about about going about playing. it's about going to lavatory, having to the lavatory, having your snack, to friends, snack, talking to your friends, taking it's not about taking a breath. it's not about plunging back into the internet, doing and i'm not in doing all of that and i'm not in denial. know that all denial. i know that we're all online, the point. online, but that's the point. we're addicted. will we're all addicted. they will have rest of their lives to have the rest of their lives to be to smartphones. be addicted to smartphones. let's them up to the age of let's give them up to the age of 16. no phones. >> i agree. i would go further than just them in than just banning them in schools. ban smartphone schools. i would ban smartphone phones under phones for young people under the about oh, really the age of about 15. oh, really ? i would i would go and i'm not

a of banning anything, a big fan of banning anything, but of what but i think in terms of what it's doing to their attention span fact that they can span to the fact that they can we all know an interaction with other people. we had i'm planning halloween party for other people. we had i'm plailittle halloween party for other people. we had i'm plailittle forialloween party for other people. we had i'm plailittle for myyween party for other people. we had i'm plailittle for my kids1 party for other people. we had i'm plailittle for my kids inwarty for my little for my kids in october. now, last year, all these kids in my front room, 15 or of these teenagers all sat or so of these teenagers all sat round on the sofa , all looking round on the sofa, all looking at their phones . i went round at their phones. i went round with the trick or treat halloween bucket and i confiscated all the phones, started to enjoy them. and do you know what they did? they spoke to each they went spoke to each other. they went and in the garden. it and ran around in the garden. it was they was a warm night. they interacted lack interacted the lack of connection development connection and development that we upon these we are inflicting upon these children by allowing them to have profound. children by allowing them to haers. profound. children by allowing them to haers. think profound. children by allowing them to haers. think it's)found. >> yes. and i think it's important for parents to know to instil kind balance in instil that kind of balance in their children. you see, because i'm not about banning i'm also not about banning mobile phones entirely. we've got tech generation. got a different tech generation. children know how to use children need to know how to use these productive way these things in a productive way as well. i have an older son that technology that uses technology brilliantly, makes money from it, want to take it, so i don't want to take something away from them totally. your about totally. emma, your point about the though, is they're the schools, though, is they're actually spending time on

actually spending more time on their home than their mobile phones at home than they school at the moment they are at school at the moment because children have because my children have their phones in. they do get it at break maybe that's break time. maybe that's something change. something that that can change. but home that but it's actually at home that they're spending a lot these they're spending a lot of these you the mobile phones and you know, the mobile phones and which why support, which is why i kind of support, you know, ban until they you know, a ban until they i think they become think they should become antisocial. know what is incredible? >> we got to go back to andrew, but but of course, when i said i'd have a halloween party this year for kids, they said, we year for my kids, they said, we don't want you're going don't want it. if you're going to everyone's phones, to nick everyone's phones, mummy, it was embarrassing. to nick everyone's phones, mulimy, it was embarrassing. to nick everyone's phones, mui was it was embarrassing. to nick everyone's phones, mui was like, is embarrassing. to nick everyone's phones, mui was like, well,embarrassing. to nick everyone's phones, mui was like, well, tough, ssing. so i was like, well, tough, right? we're going to go back to andrew he's at the andrew pierce now. he's at the conservative conference. conservative party conference. andrew conservative party conference. an(well, we're back in the >> well, we're back in the studio with me, shanker singham, who chief who of course, is the chief executive he's a executive competitor. he's a trade latency and trade policy counsel latency and an various an advisor to various governments. halligan of governments. liam halligan of course, and course, our business and economics i economics editor, liz truss. i want talk about her, but want to talk about her, but i want to talk about her, but i want to talk about her, but i want to talk about is what she's saying the conference later saying at the conference later today. if i can start today. shankar if i can start with you. £0.25, the £0.25 with you. the £0.25, the £0.25 corporate from £0.19 corporate tax up from £0.19 in the budget to be the last budget has to be reversed. is she right?

>> well, i do think if you look at set of taxation that uk at the set of taxation that uk businesses and uk people are subject and know the subject to and we know that the tax higher than it's tax burden is higher than it's been decades at this point. been for decades at this point. one of the biggest wins you can get at is corporation tax reduction. if you want to keep investment high in the uk , if investment high in the uk, if you want to bring investors into the uk corporation tax is a big it is a big deal. >> well, if you know what labour will say about this, i know you don't want to get into the politics here, but they say, oh, it's all about the tories putting money in the pockets of big business. isn't, it? big business. it isn't, is it? because corporation tax affects businesses with quite businesses with a with quite a small yeah absolutely. small turnover? yeah absolutely. >> small >> so it really affects small businesses and so on. and a hike from 19 to 25 is a very big increase for many for many businesses . so yeah, i think businesses. so yeah, i think that's where you see the biggest win. >> liam halligan you know, we were talking about this earlier , the corporation tax, 25% here, 12, 12.5% in in southern ireland. what does that mean for investment in northern ireland

next door ? next door? >> it is pretty galling for northern ireland, a place i know well , a place that is really well, a place that is really trying to get his business and industry tapping into industry going and tapping into the skills of its of its excellent workforce . it's excellent workforce. it's galling if you just literally down the road corporation tax is half what it is in northern ireland. look, this is a very political move by liz truss. she is doing a big rally and she's literally got people going around this conference leafleting to get big crowd there. i'll be chairing it. she's got on her panel priti patel, jacob rees—mogg , ranil patel, jacob rees—mogg, ranil jayawardena, less well known , jayawardena, less well known, but he was previously the environment secretary very much an up and coming conservative grandee and she will be talking about the politics of, you know, an hour before jeremy hunt. why doesn't he cut taxes? but should be talking mainly about policy cutting corporation tax back to 19. as you say, there's no minimum threshold for corporation tax. you know, if you've got little plumbing business, a little plastering business, a little plastering

business, little business, you know, a little babysitting you're babysitting business, you're paying babysitting business, you're paying tax. if paying corporation tax. if you're if you are incorporate covid. and that's, you know, 6% is a lot of firms margin. you're just taking it away. she'll also be talking a lot about cutting red tape and she'll be talking a lot also about house building. she really has a bee in her bonnet about our planning system, about the fact that we're not building enough homes and even social housing as well. in her norfolk constituency, housing big issue and she's housing is a big issue and she's going to be going on that as well. >> shankar, you're very big on regulation on red tape. how i mean, people's eyes glaze mean, don't people's eyes glaze over when government say we're going cut down on tape, going to cut down on red tape, we're going slash red tape? we're going to slash red tape? if i had a pound for every politician who said it, i'd be very wealthy. why it so important? >> yeah. so we've just the growth commission that doug williams co—chair williams and i co—chair have just 2—2 papers just produced 2—2 papers recently on the cost to the economy , not just business economy, not just business compliance cost , economy, not just business compliance cost, which is, i think, where people's eyes glaze oven think, where people's eyes glaze over. yeah, but, but actually the cost to gdp per capita to

the cost to gdp per capita to the economy, to your household income and cost and what we're finding and everyone is finding this this is not just a uk problem. the whole g7 , we've had problem. the whole g7, we've had sluggish gdp per capita growth for 25 years. i mean, it's a long time. and because of compounding , if you grow a compounding, if you grow a little bit less than you should year on year for 25 years, the effect is massive. that's why our gdp per capita is 82% less than the us is now. when 20 plus years ago we were not that dissimilar. well, what does it mean for people? it means that you know, the house you can live in is a little bit less. you know, the your lifestyle is significantly damaged. if you do that. significantly damaged. if you do that . so what these reports say that. so what these reports say and what we are learning, what we're discovered saying is that the cost of this type of, you know , very, very anti know, very, very anti competitive regulation that we that we suffer is causing ing a loss of significant point 6% gdp per capita in total that people

understand about a regulation. >> your commission would abolish that has to go . that has to go. >> so i think it's more a case of asking the question when you have a regulation, whether it's in access to capital, we're very focussed on the sort of what we call the arterial sectors of the economy, the lifeblood sectors, which is things like planning as you mentioned, land. if you're planning rules are in incredibly onerous as they are, you're slowing down the pace at which you can build not just houses. you can build notjust houses. it's everything. it's building nuclear power stations, it's building all the things that we need to quickly in to need to build quickly in to order lower the energy cost. energy another one. you know, energy is another one. you know, what to lower the what can we do to lower the energy cost? so we have interconnection. you know, getting the getting onto the grid is a problem. are lots and lots problem. there are lots and lots of specific things. and of very specific things. and then things like then we look at things like transportation. know, we transportation. you know, we have big debate hs2. have this big debate about hs2. the problem transportation the problem with transportation is rail industry cost. so the problem with transportation is rail industry cost . so the is rail industry cost. so the solution is not to nationalise everything the is everything and the solution is to get competition in to actually work in the rail

sector. and that's one of our recommendations. so we're looking at those three, primarily three sectors primarily those three sectors and effect of and looking at the effect of regulation in those sectors . regulation in those sectors. >> liam, you've been in i've been writing about these sort of subjects for years. if it's that obvious. and she explains it very don't they just very well, why don't they just get and do it? we came out of get on and do it? we came out of the and we going get all the eu and we were going get all those regulations. those wretched regulations. bofis those wretched regulations. boris was going to have a bonfire regulations. he bonfire of the regulations. he never happened. >> all well having >> it's all very well having good politics, and good ideas in politics, and i know shankar is full good know shankar is full of good ideas. the growth commission, which co—chairs, said, which he co—chairs, as he said, that the commission that was that is the commission that was set liz truss. it's not set up by liz truss. it's not just shankar doug just shankar and doug mcwilliams, mentioned. mcwilliams, who you mentioned. it's international it's a raft of international economies. it's of serious repute. interesting. economies. it's of serious reputn is interesting. economies. it's of serious reputn is often teresting. economies. it's of serious reputnis often derided. economies. it's of serious reputnis often derided here in truss is often derided here in the political and media class, but , you know, keep in the political and media class, but, you know, keep in mind, activists here voted for liz truss to be the prime minister. they didn't vote for rishi sunak to prime minister and she is to be prime minister and she is banking on the fact that her ideas will go down well with a lot of people in the country when the state is so big that

we're spending £110 billion a year servicing our debts as a state, that's second only to the nhs on the government's balance sheet, then there will be clamour out there for a smaller state and ideas are good. but ideas come up against vested interests . andrew so, you know, interests. andrew so, you know, big businesses is like regulation because it stops small businesses getting a look in because the costs of compliance are so high. big house builders is like a planning system that's very, very complex because it stops the little guys that build quickly because of their cash flow, getting those planning permissions in 32nd. >> so we've got to go back to we've got about 200 and 30s. and what is the one thing if you could get them to do it, they would do announce today in the chancellor's speech? >> think i think do >> well, i think i think do deaung >> well, i think i think do dealing with the high cost of energy in the uk , this is where energy in the uk, this is where we are an outlier. we have energy costs that are way beyond even other western european countries. the us , japan, countries. the us, japan, etcetera. do you do a series of

measures that lowers the cost of energy and you'll make your businesses more competitive? you'll put more money into the hands of your consumers and you'll liberate the economy . you you'll liberate the economy. you know, if there's one area we need to solve , it's energy. all need to solve, it's energy. all right. >> that's shanker singham . he's >> that's shanker singham. he's from chief executive. and of course, liam course, our very own liam halligan economics halligan business economics editor. beverley, editor. back to you, beverley, in london. andrew i am still here with emma wolf and bushra shaikh. >> ladies, we're just listening to that chat about the economy there. and jeremy hunt has been on this channel this morning talking about the fact that he inherited, as said , a lot of inherited, as he said, a lot of debt. well, he inherited it from his now boss, rishi sunak , who his now boss, rishi sunak, who was at the time. and was chancellor at the time. and i don't know about you, but i'm getting cross about getting a little bit cross about heanng getting a little bit cross about hearing about this as hearing them talk about this as though it's something that they spent billion during the spent half a billion during the pandemic, trillion, pandemic, half a trillion, 500 billion pandemic. and billion during the pandemic. and talking about as though it's talking about it as though it's something that they in something that they weren't in charge though were charge of, as though they were passengers. the passengers. they were in the driving though driving seat, emma, as though they didn't the economy into they didn't put the economy into

they didn't put the economy into the freeze years, the deep freeze for two years, as though didn't put as though they didn't put everybody furlough lock everybody on furlough and lock down the country. >> and what did they expect to happen ? and surprising happen? and is it surprising then that people don't want to go to work that everybody go back to work that everybody many, many people are. and this is sad that they now is very sad that they are now kind life on benefits for kind of life on benefits for life for many young people are used to either working from home or not working at all. this is what that lockdown did. >> and i kind of want them to start with an apology. if rishi sunak an acknowledgement of the situation on both sides and an acknowledgement and fact, acknowledgement and in fact, there information there is some information on the government released government website released only a ago about the a couple of days ago about the inefficiency those non—pharmaceutical interventions. how they just interventions. and how they just were pointless in terms of and thatis were pointless in terms of and that is that has all been snuck out this week. now, with that in mind, they start, mind, shouldn't they start, bushra, made bushra, by saying, look, we made mistakes and now we're having to. would respect them if to. i would respect them more if they totally. they said that totally. >> they've never really come fonnard taken ownership of fonnard and taken ownership of the that they during the things that they did during the things that they did during the like little the lockdown, like just little things like this overspent on ppe , millions and millions of

ppe, millions and millions of pounds. ppe, millions and millions of pounds . we've seen how much pounds. we've seen how much money wasted during money that was wasted during those years was those couple of years that was happening they've never happening. and they've never said was an issue said actually this was an issue that created. we didn't maybe that we created. we didn't maybe spend correctly. and now we're having to face all of the challenges and it's not challenges now. and it's not just the wider society just us. it's the wider society . people genuinely being . people are genuinely being affected by faults. affected by our faults. >> oh, and the way, we >> oh, and by the way, we trashed the nhs as well. and we now on waiting now have millions on the waiting list a load of list and we built a load of hospitals in an emergency in a panic, which weren't needed. all of wastage, you see they of that wastage, you see they long damage the deaths long term damage and the deaths that cause, they would that that cause, they would argue, unknown argue, well, it was an unknown moving picture with an unknown virus were trying to save lives. >> they would, of course, argue. but think but no, but that's but i think but no, but that's we've always known that cancer kills people. >> there was no reason to make it into a covid only nhs. that's >> well, firstly, you know, as far as i'm concerned, when we have the political cabinet, we've got some of the best and the people in that the most amazing people in that job the job. should job doing the job. they should have done the job the best they could do. we have the best

people there. so if you made the wrong decisions, that's a little bit out for matt bit of a cop out for matt hancock. the way hancock. the best way that i mean, i've always mean, you see, i've always suspected sunak suspected that rishi sunak wasn't entirely with wasn't entirely on board with subsequent and subsequent lockdowns and especially launched the especially when he launched the eat out to help out campaign. >> was pictured with >> and he was pictured with those famous two plates of burgers. always thought those famous two plates of burgers. wasn'tiys thought those famous two plates of burgers. wasn't entirelyjht those famous two plates of burgers. wasn't entirely on maybe he wasn't entirely on board the strangulation of board with the strangulation of the economy and but maybe he's in a position that he can't say that. >> what can anyone say now, apart from we made a huge mistake, we acknowledge our errors in this area. this area, the health service, the economy, everything . i mean, well, that everything. i mean, well, that would be an education system. the people interact, the way that people interact, the that people or the way that people work or don't work. fact that we don't work. the fact that we have people, honestly, emma. >> emma, i think i think a lot of people actually didn't realise how much lockdown was going to them. people were going to cost them. people were excited. were okay, excited. they were saying, okay, this we this is lockdown. we can understand a government. understand we have a government. they to look after us. they are going to look after us. at time i was saying to at the time i was saying to myself, going to myself, fear this is going to this going to bite us and this is going to bite us and it's going to bite the regular person. sure. person. yeah sure.

>> sacha lord, who's >> in fact, sacha lord, who's the head of the night time industries manchester, has industries in manchester, has got digital poster got a huge digital poster running this running in manchester this week to awareness to cause to raise awareness and to cause you and outrage you know, attention and outrage about fact that particularly about the fact that particularly the hospitality industries were hit should we hit terribly. right. should we just look at what's just have a quick look at what's going chelsea see, going on in in chelsea on see, this norfolk. a town in this is norfolk. it's a town in norfolk market. thank norfolk burnham market. thank you, where the locals have you, emma, where the locals have voted well, almost 80% of them have voted to stop out of town as buying second homes. what's happened to us? >> what's happened to us? this is a really tricky one because you can see the obvious point that second home owners who are wealthy, come up from wealthy, who come up from london, usually down from london, usually down from london, bringing lot of london, are bringing a lot of investment the into the investment into the into the local . they're bringing local areas. they're bringing the businesses are smartening local areas. they're bringing the they're ses are smartening local areas. they're bringing the they're getting smartening local areas. they're bringing the they're getting shishilning up. they're getting shishi delis. getting sorts delis. they're getting all sorts of know, posh of posh, you know, posh businesses. great. but businesses. that's great. but you see residents you can also see local residents feeling know, upset that feeling you know, upset that they are hollowing out in winter, of season. there's winter, out of season. there's nothing it's an empty it's an empty of a place. and they empty shell of a place. and they can't afford. but would they? i don't know. would really be don't know. would they really be buying home that

buying those second home that wealthy are buying? is it wealthy owners are buying? is it not some investment not good to have some investment in it's difficult. in the area? it's difficult. it's a second home ownership is one issues , a bit like one of those issues, a bit like private schools, should they exist? they exist? exist? shouldn't they exist? it's a class issue. >> this, isn't and i always >> this, isn't it. and i always find about i it so find anything about i find it so fascinating, particularly against backdrop this against the backdrop in this country such an country where we have such an entrenched system. entrenched class system. but they to be time bsherer they used to be a time bsherer and i think this very kind and i think this is a very kind of recent phenomenon where you would know what, would just say, you know what, if really hard and if you've worked really hard and you afford to a second you can afford to have a second home, then you have and home, then you can have one. and it like the sort of people it feels like the sort of people power on the ground now saying no, don't this our no, we don't want this in our back yard. yeah, absolutely. >> the thing is, i can >> and the thing is, i can i understand what they're saying. they're saying, as you said, emma, once these emma, you know, once these people there, these people don't live there, these are investments. so are these are investments. so then a ghost town then it becomes a ghost town almost. then same almost. but then at the same time, you've got an economy and, you know, we do live in a climate where people, especially this needs tourists. and this area, needs tourists. and it drive kind of it does drive the kind of tourist times that need. tourist times that they need. and want discriminate and i don't want to discriminate against very against people that work very hard money and can have

hard and have money and can have these too. we these second homes, too. we don't outcast them don't want to outcast them either. getting balance don't want to outcast them either. is getting balance don't want to outcast them either.is very, ting balance don't want to outcast them either.is very, very balance don't want to outcast them either.is very, very difficult.ce again is very, very difficult. and both argument, you and both have an argument, you know what? >> and this isn't just in seaside towns. i mean, if you go into west end, if you go into the west end, if you go into the west end, if you go into london now, you go into into london now, if you go into sort the knightsbridge area, sort of the knightsbridge area, if you're with london, if you're familiar with london, you the natural you know, where the natural history all that history museum are, all that sort of area in chelsea and south, there are so sort of area in chelsea and south,big there are so sort of area in chelsea and south,big houses1ere are so sort of area in chelsea and south,big houses there re so sort of area in chelsea and south,big houses there that are many big houses there that are now chinese, russian, now owned by chinese, russian, middle eastern people who never live there, literally never lived them as investments. >> they buy them as investments. they to buy let if. they buy them as to buy let if. and they're just empty. and often they're just empty. they're literally just huge houses. swanky houses. but also these swanky penthouse over penthouse apartments all over all london. all over west london. >> mean, they do tend to rent >> i mean, they do tend to rent them out. i mean, they do tend to rent them out. if they're not there. they do get out. there. they do get rented out. and that's people come there and that's how people come there and make money well. and they make money as well. and, again, this and, you know, again, this is all a time where london all about a time where london said, okay, we're going to have international buyers because it's push economy. it's going to push our economy. we these people that have we need these people that have this uk. this money to invest in the uk. >> is different because >> and it is different because in the middle of london, you

know, who cares if this is we are talking burnham market place like about like this. we're talking about local just like this. we're talking about loca like just like this. we're talking about loca like ghost just like this. we're talking about loca like ghost towns just like this. we're talking about loca like ghost towns during ust like this. we're talking about loca like ghost towns during the feel like ghost towns during the winter this massive winter and then this massive influx you know, chelsea influx of, you know, chelsea tractors in wellies tractors basically in wellies dunng tractors basically in wellies during the summer. >> thank both. >> yeah, right. thank you both. right moments, right in the next few moments, we're to be hearing from we're going to be hearing from the working piers the very hard working piers pottinger hunt's war pottinger on jeremy hunt's war on work shy. we are gb news on the work shy. we are gb news britain's news channel >> deakin. this your >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest from the latest weather update from the met gb news something latest weather update from the ma gb news something latest weather update from the ma north gb news something latest weather update from the ma north south} news something latest weather update from the ma north south splitys something latest weather update from the ma north south split with nething latest weather update from the ma north south split with the1ing of a north south split with the weather today and then the potential for some pretty heavy rain central and rain over parts of central and eastern england tonight. so there's low there's two areas of low pressure. up pressure. this one moving up from the south is bringing some quite air, but it's also quite warm air, but it's also bringing lot clouds and bringing a lot of clouds and damp feel across damp and drizzly feel across south—west england, much of north rain and north wales light rain and drizzle here, pushing drizzle on and off here, pushing into england into north—west england to something bit over something a bit brighter over parts of england and parts of eastern england and some spells of sunshine for some good spells of sunshine for scotland ireland, scotland and northern ireland, although showers also although plenty of showers also coming on a brisk wind across coming in on a brisk wind across the and the western the highlands and the western isles temperatures here in the isles. temperatures here in the mid further with mid teens further south with a bit brightness, we could mid teens further south with a bit creep ness, we could mid teens further south with a bit creep into. we could mid teens further south with a bit creep into the could mid teens further south with a

bit creep into the 20sld mid teens further south with a bit creep into the 20s ,i mid teens further south with a bit creep into the 20s , but easily creep into the 20s, but then later on the rain is likely to turn heavier over the midlands, particularly the east midlands, through parts of lincolnshire during evening, lincolnshire during the evening, and for parts of and especially for parts of norfolk. we could catch some thunderstorms that could drop a lot of rain in a short space of time. before that, all tends to clear away overnight. temperatures holding up in the south warm night here. south quite a warm night here. something a little cooler further still further north, but still most towns double towns and cities in double digits onto tuesday. and we still start off with a lot of cloud over east anglia in the south—east. a little bit of rain here early too, but that here early on, too, but that should away then. skies should clear away then. skies brighten . most places will see brighten. most places will see a mixture of sunshine showers mixture of sunshine and showers on most of the on tuesday, with most of the showers across northern england and scotland a largely dry and scotland and a largely dry afternoon further south, bit afternoon further south, a bit breezy, temperatures in the breezy, but temperatures in the sunshine again in south—east sunshine again in the south—east over

rain. rain . yeah, it's a it's 11 am. rain. yeah, it's a it's 11 am. on monday, the 2nd of october. >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce live at the conservative party conference in manchester. and bev turner in london. and today declaring on the workshy got declaring war on the workshy got nearly a million vacancies across the economy . across the economy. >> we've got 300,000 people who've been out of work for more than a year and our message is very simple. if you do the right thing, if you take a job and there are lots of jobs out there, then we'll back you. >> that's the chancellor, jeremy

hunt, vowing to turn the screw on the workshy later this afternoon. this comes as he exclusively told gb news no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way. we'll have the latest extreme disruption . latest extreme disruption. >> that's what patients are being told to expect as junior doctors and consultants have begun a three day joint walkout in england this morning . in england this morning. >> and no mobiles in class. pupils being banned from using their phone in school during lessons and breaks in an effort to end classroom disruption and improve learning long overdue or . not >> lots of your emails coming into the studio here this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is the address. but first of all, here is the news with . ray here is the news with. ray >> thanks, bev and good morning.

it's 11:01. our top story this it's11:01. our top story this houn it's11:01. our top story this hour, the chancellor has told gb news that no substantial tax cuts are possible. this year. speaking from the tory party conference in manchester, jeremy hunt ruled out any reductions in income or inheritance tax . he income or inheritance tax. he blamed an increase in the government's debt interest payments and said his priority is to bring inflation right down. >> well, i'm saying that no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way at the moment . substantial way at the moment. so it's not just inheritance tax, it's income tax. it's all the different taxes that people look at. if we start having big tax cuts , it would be tax cuts, it would be inflationary. and when we've got inflationary. and when we've got inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot . it but inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot. it but it inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot . it but it needs to come a lot. it but it needs to come down a lot more. and the fastest way we can give help to families who are finding life really tough is to get inflation right down. and that's the priority of me and the prime minister the chancellor's announcement comes ahead of his conference speech this afternoon in which he'll announce tougher rules on

benefits . benefits. >> jeremy hunt says he'll make it harder for people to claim welfare when they refuse to take active steps to move into work. meanwhile as part of plans to get more people employed, he'll also a boost to the also announce a boost to the national living wage, which will go to at least £11 an hour go up to at least £11 an hour from april. well, well . former from april. well, well. former prime minister liz truss will call for tax cuts in her speech at the party conference later , at the party conference later, speaking at a fringe rally, she'll urge the tory leadership to become the party of business again by slashing corporation tax . ms truss will also call for tax. ms truss will also call for fracking and increased measures to boost housebuilding. her comments are expected to put pressure on rishi sunak from the tory right john mcternan is the former adviser to tony blair. he says voters are sick of tory infighting . infighting. >> truth is, the fighting each other at this conference, liz truss isn't making a speech. she's auditioning to rerun as party leader. they had 13 years and look where we are. that's what the voters will be looking

at. they'll be going, yeah, you had your time and your time is oven had your time and your time is over. can you please call the next election as quickly as possible actually have possible so we can actually have the change? >> junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout. the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments, being rescheduled. the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients. these doctors told us why they striking until and unless there is a credible pay offer, it will mean that doctors offer, it will mean that doctors of all grades, but especially senior doctors, will continue you to leave the country for other places. >> and the nhs will continue to suffer. we are not planning for the future. >> there is to going be no staffing in the nhs. there's going to be no nhs in the future if we don't fight for our pay.

so this is really necessarily a fight about individual consultant papers say we're actually for the very actually fighting for the very future of the nhs. >> been hearing, >> well, as we've been hearing, mobile reportedly mobile phones could reportedly be banned classrooms in be banned from classrooms in england under new plans from the education secretary. according to the daily mail, gillian keegan tell the party keegan will tell the party conference that they pose a serious challenge in terms of distraction, disruptive behaviour and bullying schools would be ordered to outlaw the use of smartphone phones during lessons and in breaks . it's lessons and in breaks. it's hoped that the move would make it easier for pupils to focus. water want to increase water companies want to increase household bills . by £156 a year household bills. by £156 a year by 2030. it's part of plans to fund upgrades and prevent 140,000 annual sewage spills . 140,000 annual sewage spills. industry regulator ofwat says they will forensically scrutinise the scheme to ensure that the price hike is justified. it's expected to face a backlash from customers struggling with the cost of living doctors are encouraging people to get their flu jabs to

help relieve pressure on the nhs . officials say the spread of flu and covid last year caused significant peaks, resulting in thousands of hospitalisations . thousands of hospitalisations. vaccines. minister maria caulfield says 2.8 million flu jabs have already been administered since september, with more than 1 million autumn covid jabs. she's encouraging anyone eligible who hasn't received the vaccines to book their slot now via the nhs website . this is gb news. across website. this is gb news. across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to beth and . andrew >> the list . >> the list. >> the list. >> good morning. it's 1106. >> good morning. it's1106. thanks for joining us. >> good morning. it's1106. thanks forjoining us. so the thanks for joining us. so the chancellor, jeremy hunt, will make work pay. he says today announcing that the national living wage will rise to more than £11 hour next april, than £11 an hour next april, benefiting 2 million low paid workers. he also warns that

about 100,000 benefit claimants who refused to look for work could have their hand outs cut for months. is this a declaration of war on the work shy? well, i'm joined in the studio now by political commentator pierce. pottinger pierce, good to see you. questions coming into inbox questions coming into the inbox here saying , well, it here are saying, well, isn't it already difficult to claim already quite difficult to claim benefits if you're not proving to the jobcentre that you're already looking work? so is already looking for work? so is he something which he promising something which is already anyway? he promising something which is alrel dy anyway? he promising something which is alrel don't anyway? he promising something which is alrel don't is anyway? he promising something which is alrel don't is the way? he promising something which is alrel don't is the answer to >> i don't know is the answer to that. >> i don't know is the answer to that . but i >> i don't know is the answer to that. but i think what he's trying to do is tighten up and because he keeps saying he's not going to cut taxes this year , going to cut taxes this year, that's the key phrase this year . we've only got three more months year and it months of this year and it doesn't mean he's not going to reduce taxes next year, which is what i think he will do, in fact. but i think he's looking to tighten up in every area. he can money in the process of can save money in the process of government and the benefits situation is one where there's obviously he he feels room for tightening up. >> well, if he feels like he

could offer tax cuts, say, next spring, why wouldn't he say that now? >> because i think he wants to be absolutely sure that the economy is in the right way. both rishi sunak and jeremy hunt are cautious by nature. they're not knee jerkers. they do think things through, which i think is very positive. then they don't do ridiculous u—turns every five minutes like a well known leader of another party. and they are are going to, i think rishi sunak will deliver a very strong speech. sunak will deliver a very strong speech . and i think he's thought speech. and i think he's thought through to where he was during the summer recess and has come out fighting and the polls are showing that he's winning. and in fact, in the polls , the in fact, in the polls, the biggest issue, the one that still the voters are most concerned about is immigration, an not tax . the economy is an not tax. the economy is second and but tax comes a long way down as a separate issue, too. and immigration. and tomorrow, suella braverman , her

tomorrow, suella braverman, her speech is going to be absolutely vital . all and next week the vital. all and next week the supreme court meets for hearings on whether or not they're going to allow the government to deport people to rwanda or move them to rwanda. and . then their them to rwanda. and. then their result will come quicker than the supreme court. normally does. but i mean , going back to does. but i mean, going back to the benefits situation, i actually think i mean, putting the minimum wage up or the living wage as it's now called by 50p hour is something. but i don't think people are going to be celebrate voting again. >> our inbox is showing that actually people are saying that they think that that is not necessarily the right way to help the poor , the lower paid, help the poor, the lower paid, but to just cap income tax at 20, £20,000 a year so you don't pay 20, £20,000 a year so you don't pay anything until you're earning £20,000 a year. that would be simple. that would be a vote winner. >> well, i mean, that's raising the threshold. and in fact , the threshold. and in fact, they've raised the threshold more than other government

more than any other government already , when although we're already, when although we're paying already, when although we're paying higher rate of tax, the paying a higher rate of tax, the threshold has risen more over the last few years. and the threshold is something he can play threshold is something he can play around with in the budget next year. but again, we're only talking three months left in this year . talking three months left in this year. you see, i think they're buying time to see whether all the measures they've taken will get inflation down by march next year when they can introduce some much more meaty tax cuts or improve amounts in thresholds. in march for an april budget. and then have the election in, say, october , where election in, say, october, where people will begin to see the benefits. so from an electioneering point of view, i think they're right to hold firm at the moment. but right. the big question is with rishi's speech is whether he's going to mention hs2 or not. i don't think he will. >> it's the elephant in the room, particularly as they are in manchester. and of course, this is about the extension of hs2 from birmingham up to

manchester. it's a little awkward that that's the that's the area in which they're having to have these conversations at the moment. what else should be in that speech? you've advised several prime ministers the several prime ministers over the years. advising years. if you were advising rishi sunak week , what does rishi sunak this week, what does he to there? he need to get in there? >> well, i think unity very >> well, i think unity is very important is ever important and no party is ever elected. if the electorate feels it's divided. and of course , the it's divided. and of course, the left wing press and the left wing commentators are rubbing home this. so it's a they're at war with each other and everything and building up. liz truss . liz truss, quite frankly truss. liz truss, quite frankly , is a has been i mean, she was the prime minister utterly disastrous. her policies were not thought through, not funded correctly and she was kicked out within weeks. i mean extra ordinary. so how she's got any credibility at all at the conference is beyond me. and it's very easy, as she did in order to become to win the votes of the membership of the party, not the people of this country, the membership of the party.

we're only talking a couple of hundred thousand people. but they they fell for the tax cuts. all the stuff she's going to say again tonight. she she clearly doesn't seem to have learned her lesson. >> seems to be doing >> well. she seems to be doing the work starmer in a the work of keir starmer in a way this week, because if she's talking about rhetoric of talking about a rhetoric of lower a pro—growth lower tax and a pro—growth economic program that is completely in opposition to her prime minister. yes. >> i mean , and it's not helpful >> i mean, and it's not helpful . well, i mean , i think her . well, i mean, i think her trying to launch a comeback is mistaken personally. do you think it is a comeback? no. well, she's trying to make it a comeback, obviously, because she's sort of behaving in a kind of prime ministerial way. she's sort of behaving in a kind of prime ministerial way . and of prime ministerial way. and it's i think it does her no good. >> what what can the prime minister do in a situation like this? to what extent can you silence. well, he can silence her by when in his speech he's going to come out, i think, very strongly and say we've got to be united. >> we're going to make some

tough decisions, and we are going to change a lot of things . but we've got to get the basics right first. i think he's going to talk about immigration very strongly. i think he'll give suella braverman his full support and he may even hint at tax cuts next year. he may hint it's this is it's so interesting. >> this this bump in the polls for the conservative cause because labour's lead has fallen to ten points since the first time for the first time since rishi sunak has been in number 10. what do put that down 10. so what do you put that down to? we were speculating earlier that if immigration is so high on people's agenda and keir starmer talking about starmer was talking about sharing the burden of an eu immigration policy , i suspect immigration policy, i suspect that's behind this bounce . that's behind this bounce. >> i think it is. and it's also his now stance against wokeism everywhere where he's come out. he's looking much tougher, much more no nonsense. and people respond . and two strong leaders respond. and two strong leaders , whatever you said about boris,

he came over in a very strong way. and what rishi needed to do was look a little less well meaning and a little bit more authoritative. and that's what i think he's going to do. this speech is a really pivotal moment for him on wednesday. i suspect that i mean, he did apparently a brilliant speech at the parliamentary press dinner, which people were not expecting. it was fizzy . it was full of fun it was fizzy. it was full of fun jokes rather than the lame jokes you normally get from politicians. it was everyone i've spoken to who was at it were unanimous and they were cross—party people. they all thought he did an outstanding job. and so i think we're seeing a revitalised and a much more connected prime minister >> i haven't been the biggest fan of rishi sunak. i don't mind denying that to you. piers pottinger no, but what i think i'm seeing a little bit in his character is i think he's probably a very competitive man.

you become head boy of you don't become head boy of winchester college without having competition having an element of competition that runs in your blood. and i think probably, as he feels think that probably, as he feels that line is becoming that the finish line is becoming within sight, his within his sight, his competitive of wanting competitive instincts of wanting to win this, i think that's what we're seeing come through. >> yeah, i think so. and i think, you know, he's he's he's an intelligent , think, you know, he's he's he's an intelligent, but an extremely intelligent, but he's a man. i do respect it. and i'm becoming to admire. and i think he is in a very obviously it was an impossible situation a few months ago. now there's a glimmer of hope. it's only a glimmer. we haven't seen what flip flop starmer is going to do in a couple of weeks time. probably do some more flipping and flopping. true to true to form, the lib dems , of course, form, the lib dems, of course, had probably the most disastrous conference in their entire history. if that's possible. >> who are they exactly? where have they gone? they've disappeared . disappeared. >> no vision, no policy. and just a whole lot of ridiculous photo stunts that did them more harm than good. so rishi has got

a real i mean, this speech could be the making of him . and be the making of him. and sometimes these speeches resonate for a long time. >> he has to. what do you think he has to do is he has to make the british people believe that he is on the side of the british people. andrew was saying earlier about the fact that because his he's married into a billionaire because he's billionaire family, because he's a wealthy because a very wealthy man, because they would there. would probably never live there. their in their life, their days out in this country. appears to be this country. he appears to be the ultimate globalist leader . the ultimate globalist leader. so how does he counteract that impression , ian? so how does he counteract that imfwell,nn , ian? so how does he counteract that imfwell, i , ian? so how does he counteract that imfwell, i think? so how does he counteract that imfwell, i think by talking from >> well, i think by talking from the heart about how he cares about the british people , he about the british people, he don't forget he was educated at winchester college, britain's oldest private school, which the labour party would like to destroy . i mean, what they've destroy. i mean, what they've been doing recently against independent schools is shocking with the tax change proposals. well, they're also demands , all well, they're also demands, all kinds of information to build a campaign to smear these private

schools . i campaign to smear these private schools. i mean, campaign to smear these private schools . i mean, they don't want schools. i mean, they don't want to just tax them. they want to aboush to just tax them. they want to abolish them out of spite. >> well, that would be a big change. pierce, don't go anywhere. for now, we want to go back to andrew, who i believe has some breaking news. dame sharon white is standing down as the chairman of john lewis, making her, i think, the shortest serving chief ever at john lewis. >> who better to talk about this than our very own liam halligan, our business and economics editor. is extra editor. this is an extra ordinary lewis ordinary development. john lewis in trouble. no more. so the in big trouble. no more. so the chairman's going. >> lewis got about >> indeed, john lewis got about 40 the uk , 40 stores across the uk, hundreds as well. hundreds of waitrose as well. this isn't really a political story , but we just wanted to story, but we just wanted to mark it, didn't we? so dame sharon lewis, former civil servant, she used to be in the treasury, she used to run ofcom , the regulator that obviously oversees the media industry that sees us that we're part of no retail experience to speak of, she went in as the chair of john lewis, obviously a blue riband british brand known across the

world. she came in in 2020, just before the pandemic. look, look , i she's had a difficult time. it's been a very difficult time for all retailers as bricks and mortar retailers , the rise of mortar retailers, the rise of onune mortar retailers, the rise of online bricks and mortar retailers, they have to pay business rates on their premises. online retailers don't. but i do think a lot of people in retail will say that she made a lot of mistakes. there wasn't a particular focus to what she was doing. she lost she she lost some votes of the staff, which is almost unprecedented john lewis . the unprecedented in john lewis. the staff were denied a bonus for a couple of years, which was probably right decision, probably the right decision, given gone given that revenues have gone down. but look, she was a pioneering appointment to bring someone from the public someone in from the public sector with no retail experience. and i think it's fair to say, much as i respect her, that her appointment hasn't been a success. so she is going to stand down in 2025. why announce it today? because the tory conference is on, so maybe there'll be a lot less focus on it. >> but if she's no good, which is effectively what you're saying, liam, why is she going

to around till 2025? why to hang around till 2025? why not clear your desk, go now and let over in let somebody else take over in the meantime? because isn't the chairman a figurehead because they've new who they've got a new ceo who basically business day they've got a new ceo who ba day, ly business day they've got a new ceo who ba day, who business day they've got a new ceo who ba day, who is business day they've got a new ceo who ba day, who is a business day they've got a new ceo who ba day, who is a wellsiness day they've got a new ceo who ba day, who is a well knowniay to day, who is a well known retail figure? >> i think it will be a negotiated outcome. she'll get naturally the of naturally to the end of her first term in 2025, but she won't reappointment won't seek reappointment as chair and also, know, john chair and also, you know, john lewis there , caring lewis there, a caring sharing company. they don't want to appear brutal. it is appear too brutal. it is actually a partnership . actually a partnership. famously, the employees , they famously, the employees, they are part of the profit sharing . are part of the profit sharing. some of my relatives work at john lewis. they're very proud to work there. but there's this discontent has been rumbling among rank and file staff among the rank and file staff for months and months and months. i'm not surprised months. now. i'm not surprised she's standing but i'm she's standing down, but i'm quite that her pr quite surprised that her pr advisers have announced this today. it's a bit shabby to try and bury the news. good day to bury bad news. >> that was very, very, very briefly, does john briefly, does this mean john lewis stores going to lewis stores are going to disappear from high street disappear from our high street because that would be heartbreaking she's closed heartbreaking for she's closed 17 john lewis stores.

>> they're going come >> i doubt they're to going come back, may a new back, but it may be under a new chair, under a new chief executive or under the existing chief relatively chief executive who's relatively new. economy turns up new. if the economy turns up right, inflation comes down, right, if inflation comes down, if consumer confidence comes back, if government it's of whatever colour actually do something to help high street retailers , then maybe the john retailers, then maybe the john lewis stores that we've got, many of which are loved in their local high streets, will be retained. fingers and toes crossed. >> all right, that's liam halligan back to you. bev in london. >> thank you. andrew and liam. piers pottinger is still with me. your reaction to that story ? >> i'm not surprised. i mean , >> i'm not surprised. i mean, she she hasn't succeeded. she had no retail experience initially. and also so she's in a very difficult environment because the department store model of old, the sort of thing we used to see in are you being served has really gone . it's served has really gone. it's past its time . and if you go past its time. and if you go into a peter jones which is a john lewis, they love these words. and in sloane square , i

words. and in sloane square, i often pop in to use the loo. there actually. and i notice there's hardly anyone in there. and i mean you can't have a building that size , pay those building that size, pay those rates, pay all the staff and have all that stock without customers. and also the waitrose chain has been a disaster in recent years. it used to be the fastest growing best supermarket chain in the uk by far, and it's now really rather a poor reflection of its own self. the danger is the model of john lewis, which is so good. the partnership model unique in british business that is under pressure. and sharon white herself said she may have to look at that, which i think was a fundamental mistake . a fundamental mistake. >> when we hear about big changes at stores which are so emblematic, like john lewis, obviously we're all worried about the state of the high street at the moment and businesses and small businesses. kemi badenoch is going to be speaking afternoon. what kemi badenoch is going to be speakingoffer afternoon. what kemi badenoch is going to be speakingoffer to ternoon. what kemi badenoch is going to be speakingoffer to businesses|at kemi badenoch is going to be speakingoffer to businesses to can she offer to businesses to reassure them that they are safe

in conservative hands? >> well, business rates, i mean, business rates really are still hugely crippling for many retailers and they find it almost impossible to trade retailers anyway, tend to have a smaller margin than than most products and services . is products and services. is retailing trades on small margins. and when you get these business rates hitting them so hard as well as, of course, vat on so many products, corporation tax and they have their own corporation tax. i mean, it some glimmer of hope again from her would be helpful. and i think business rates are the key. i think if they could be at least held, maybe even they hint at reducing them again, i don't think they're going to do anything much this year, but that doesn't mean to say they're not going to do a lot next year, but they just have to signal that things are on the up and next year will be a time for good news. >> okay. i hope so. thank you. i

hope so, too. business trade secretary kemi badenoch will be talking this afternoon at the conference and no doubt we will be you all the details be bringing you all the details of still to come, of that. now, still to come, labour's lead been labour's poll lead has been slashed ten are the slashed to ten points. are the conservatives still in with a chance here with britain's newsroom on news as

patrick christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . gb news radio. >> well, the chancellor , jeremy >> well, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, unveiled a crackdown on

benefit claimants who refuse to look for a job. jeremy hunt will argue in his speech that argue in his speech today that those don't actively seek those who don't actively seek work not get the same work should not get the same financial benefits as those who do well. i'm joined now by the former labour adviser james schneider, reaction. schneider, for his reaction. james i presume you're not going to be a fan of this attack on what jeremy hunt supporters saying is an attack the saying is an attack on the workshy, the shirkers, the scroungers . no . scroungers. no. we've lost him. we'll come back to that . that will be his speech to that. that will be his speech later today. we're to going try and get james schneider back. but this the big centre piece but this is the big centre piece of jeremy hunt's speech today . of jeremy hunt's speech today. he wants to attract. he wants to talk to the 100,000. we've got him back. james hello . which him back. james hello. which which we have james. the floor is yours . what do you say to is yours. what do you say to what jeremy hunt is saying today to the tory conference? >> we've seen this whole politics before in the cameron

osborne era. they're trying to demonise us groups of people . demonise us groups of people. and the result is that you have people put through horrible kafkaesque processes trying to access. they're entitled patients. you see the rise of excess debt, people who are disabled being classed as able for work. and really what we should be seeing is the government running a hot labour market. so that wages can rise so that we can have full employment and that would be a way to deal with the cost of living crisis. this is an attempt to shift the blame from the economic failures that we have for the government onto a small group of people who are unfortunate enough to be out of work . work. >> is it a small group of people? james as the treasury is saying, there's at least 100,000 people they've identified who are actively not seeking any work at all. if that's the case, they shouldn't get the same benefit , should they, as those benefit, should they, as those people who are genuinely trying to get a job and genuinely are

off work, perhaps because of sickness or other issues? people should of course be helped to get back into work , which is why get back into work, which is why we should be dealing with very seriously the explosion of mental illness that we've seen in the pandemic. >> and also it was building up a lot before. it's why we should have lifelong training and reskilling available to help people back into work. i think those are the sorts of things that will that will help boost the number of people that are in work . that reduces the number of work. that reduces the number of people that are forced into unemployment or to seek disability because they are they're too ill to work. and also we have 7 million people, over 7 million people on waiting lists. so we have a scale of sickness, both mental and physical, in the country, which is a real problem that needs to be addressed. and those should be addressed. and those should be the focus of those. and boosting wages and boosting

employment through training and reskilling for people. those should be the focuses for a chancellor rather than basically trying to pass the buck. going back to this nasty strivers versus scroungers type stuff that we already had with george osborne . all right . osborne. all right. >> that was james schneider, the former labour adviser. i've got to say, there's a stir in this conference hall and it's not caused by me. it's caused by the presence at the tory party conference. for conference. i think probably for the in almost 30 the first time in almost 30 years our very own. nigel years of our very own. nigel farage. nigel good morning. good morning very have morning and very good to have you a huge crowd you here. there's a huge crowd formed here because formed around here because people you. they people want to see you. they want to hear what you've got to say, as we all do. when did you when were last at tory conference? >> 80s, right? late 80s, >> late 80s, right? late 80s, i think was bournemouth. think it was bournemouth. >> so mrs. thatcher. >> so mrs. thatcher. >> no, no, she was the prime minister. i to minister. yeah. and i used to come in those days to conferences. they were always held at the seaside. they were always yeah. always enormous fun. yeah. interestingly interestingly, in those thousands those days there were thousands of leaflet of door knockers, leaflet deliverers is this has a much more i mean, whilst the

activists are here, there's a much more corporate feel , i much more corporate feel, i think, to the conference these days. >> so you're here for the first time in since perhaps 1987, 1988. my first question is are you to rejoin the conservative party? know would you like to share it with tv news viewers and listeners? >> i think that my presence here highly highlights the divisions within party. right. and the within the party. right. and the battle that will happen, i suspect, after the next general election . i went to the dinner election. i went to the dinner last night, conservative democratic organisation. and these are these are rebellious, rebellious group of tories who feel the party's become unconservative, undemocratic . unconservative, undemocratic. nick they're not really getting a choice to choose their mps a choice to choose their own mps as candidates , things like that. as candidates, things like that. and you know, i see what they're saying . i see what suella saying. i see what suella braverman saying . and i do see braverman saying. and i do see in some parts of the conservative party things that i've campaigned on for 10 or 15 years now becoming mainstream, mainstream . i'm years now becoming mainstream, mainstream. i'm in a wing of the party, but not in the party as a whole. and frankly, i mean, let's face it, after 13 years,

this is not a conservative party. it's a social democrat party. it's a social democrat party. it's a social democrat party. it's high tax, big state, high spend, open door immigration on the most extraordinary historic scale. and if they're not going to rediscover over some sense of being a national party that believes in its people, they'll believes in its people, they'll be out of for office 10 or 15 years and it's interesting, at the conservative dinner last night, you were at you were referred to by dame priti patel, who was making if ever i've heard, a leadership campaign speech and even though there's heard, a leadership campaign sp(vacancy even though there's heard, a leadership campaign sp(vacancy currently,jgh there's heard, a leadership campaign sp(vacancy currently, youthere's heard, a leadership campaign sp(vacancy currently, you stood no vacancy currently, you stood up the applause for you was deafening. >> the tory party faithful still see you as their loss leader . see you as their loss leader. they do. >> it's a really funny one. i mean, i andrew, i never shifted my political opinions, never went right or left. i didn't change from 1990. it's the party that's changed radically over these last three decades. and look at the polling in the sunday times yesterday. yeah. for fascinating polling showing on immigration issues, on the threats that it can pose, the 60

to 65% of the country agree with agree with the view that i have put out there for years and been abused for that most mps are frightened to talk about this is where the conservative party needs to go after it loses the next election or it will get replaced. >> you were mocked years ago when you went to the white cliffs of dover and talked about this, the horrors of what was coming across the channel. now that everybody is talking about that, now richie's that, it's now one of richie's five pledges. he's not five pledges. yes which he's not doing very well on as the foreign talking foreign secretary was talking about on stop the about their policy on stop the boats, five, 600 people crossed the yesterday. have the channel yesterday. you have an tell us an opportunity here to tell us how would boats and how you would stop the boats and fix the borders. >> well, i mean, i always said from day one we'd never stop this. as members of the echr, you know, while you know, all the while the british lefty british judges or the lefty lawyers, as boris used to call them . but all the while they've them. but all the while they've got echr on. we will got echr to lean on. we will never solve it. so that nut absolutely has to be cracked and beyond that, operationally, we will need to send boats back to

france. quite simple . will france. quite simple. it will cause diplomatic cause a huge diplomatic incident. oh, good. do you know what? within a fortnight the boats coming. all boats will stop coming. all right, this nigel. right, this is nigel. >> you doing show >> are you doing your show here tonight? >> are you doing your show here ton ijht? absolutely. >> i am, absolutely. >> i am, absolutely. >> any interesting guests ? >> any interesting guests? >> any interesting guests? >> lord frost, of course. >> lord? lord frost, of course. will be armed. who'll miriam will be armed. who'll be miriam cates armed. cates will be armed. >> he was, of course, the former. was the brexit former. he was the brexit secretary. negotiated the >> well, he negotiated the brexit he negotiated it. brexit deal. he negotiated it. and fears all about and he now fears it's all about to lost . he's and he now fears it's all about to lost. he's going to be to be lost. he's going to be a good guest. >> miriam cakes, as some >> i'm miriam cakes, as some people see as the next tory leader. some people if she leader. some people see if she holds seat at the next holds her seat at the next election. this election. and of course, this man be tory leader if he man could be tory leader if he was a tory mp, but i don't think he wants to go there. nigel farage be with you farage should be with you here at 7:00, here at live at at 7:00, 7:00 here at live at the manchester party the manchester tory party conference. going conference. we're going to go now the news a little late now to the news a little late with ray. >> thanks, andrew. it's 1134. our top stories, efforts to reduce carbon emissions won't come at the expense of bill payers. that's according to the energy secretary speaking at the tory party conference a short

while ago. claire coutinho said protest groups such as just stop oil are out of touch with taxpayers . taxpayers. >> it is these zealots that would see the cause of climate change lost. they are more concerned with signalling their own purity than with energising the cause of climate change. they don't seek to persuade only to disrupt. they don't want to engage , but only to silence engage, but only to silence conference. that is the labour party for you . party for you. >> the chancellor has told gb news that no substantial tax cuts are possible. this year. speaking from the party conference, jeremy hunt ruled out any reductions in income or inheritance tax. he blamed an increase in the government's debt interest payments and said his priority is to bring inflation down. >> well, i'm saying that no tax cuts are possible in a substantial way at the moment . substantial way at the moment. so it's not just inheritance tax, it's income tax. it's all the different taxes that people

look at. if we start having big tax cuts , it would be tax cuts, it would be inflationary and when we've got inflationary and when we've got inflation at 6.7, it's come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot. but it needs to come down a lot more. and the fastest way we can give help to families who are finding life really tough is to get inflation right down. and that's the priority of me and the prime minister and junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout, the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing in their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments being rescheduled . being rescheduled. >> and the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients . you can disservice to patients. you can find more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com . at gbnews.com. >> still to come this morning,

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london and andrew pierce in manchester. how is it going so far, andrew? what's the atmosphere like there at tory party conference? >> yes, i've got to tell you, bev, what's changed? everything in the mood here was the presence of nigel farage. word spread around like wildfire. he was the queuing like was in the queue queuing like the rest the people long the rest of the people long queue. he was walking queue. then he was walking around the conference he around the conference hall. he was being mobbed as walked around the conference hall. he was iourg mobbed as walked around the conference hall. he was iour gbiobbed as walked around the conference hall. he was iour gb newsi as walked around the conference hall. he was iour gb news stand walked around the conference hall. he was iour gb news stand here, ed onto our gb news stand here, i would say 100, 200 people gathered around taking photographs. he's not got five yards our conference stand. yards from our conference stand. he's if he ran for he's surrounded. if he ran for the tory leadership, he'd be a very serious contender of course. but of course he's not a member and he hasn't been to the tory conference. probably he he thinks 1988, when, thinks since 1987, 1988, when, of course, mrs. thatcher, a real tory leader, was in her pomp. bev, it's fascinating spending time with nigel farage because i used to be one of those people who wrote him off who thought he was causing divisions in the country . country. >> and then in the last three years, i started to actually listen to what he was saying

rather than just reading the headlines. and rather than just reading the mainstream reading what all the mainstream press him and press was describing him as and then walk the street with then i walk down the street with him. andrew, recently like him. andrew, recently and like you mobbed . he gets you say, he gets mobbed. he gets absolutely by on absolutely mobbed by people on the who to shake his the street who want to shake his hand, who want to say, you're talking thank you talking my language. thank you so doing do. so much for doing what you do. and yet very rarely gets and yet that very rarely gets reflected in any media coverage that he gets, does it? >> i know, i know. >> i know, i know. >> and he did say and i remember a few years ago now he was went down to dover, the white cliffs of dover photographed in front and warned what was crossing the channel said is of channel and said this is out of control. he a demonised he control. he was a demonised he was attacked for being a racist. and course, as i was and now, of course, as i was saying to nigel, it's one of rishi. rishi sunaks five pledges, let's be honest, rishi. rishi sunaks five pled not let's be honest, rishi. rishi sunaks five pled not doing let's be honest, rishi. rishi sunaks five pled not doing very; be honest, rishi. rishi sunaks five pled not doing very well|onest, rishi. rishi sunaks five pled not doing very well because he's not doing very well because they're the boats they're not turning the boats back. he said, we're back. and as he said, we're going to have turn the boats going to have to turn the boats back france to hell with back to france and to hell with the row. yeah well, absolutely. >> thank andrew. and i, you >> thank you, andrew. and i, you know, proud of fact that know, i'm proud of the fact that nigel farage is on news nigel farage is on gb news because you walk down because when you do walk down the street with him, people do

relate very much. bushra the street with him, people do relate is very much. bushra the street with him, people do relate is here very much. bushra the street with him, people do relate is here and much. bushra the street with him, people do relate is here and emma3ushra the street with him, people do relate is here and emma wolfa the street with him, people do relate is here and emma wolf are sheikh is here and emma wolf are still with us. what do you think of nigel's presence the of nigel's presence at the conservative party? i love his mischief, i love his mischief, emma. i love his mischief. >> i think it's brilliant that he's turned up there and look at the public response that he's getting. look at the reception, look the reaction look at the reaction from activists, , you know, the activists, from, you know, the rank and file . everybody rank and file. everybody >> but what does what do you think the likes of rishi sunak think the likes of rishi sunak think or jeremy hunt when they see nigel farage walking down the corridor at conference? >> what what do you think is going through their mind? >> honestly, i probably >> i mean, honestly, i probably think he doing think the thing what is he doing here does he i here and what does he want? i think that's thing. look, think that's the thing. look, i think that's the thing. look, i think he's a personality that divides the nation. that's that's truth. sometimes that's the truth. sometimes you like him. sometimes don't. like him. sometimes you don't. personally, some personally, there are some unsavoury that he in unsavoury things that he said in the are stick the past that are very stick with me this day. and you with me to this day. and you know, whether overcome know, whether i can overcome that, know. but like you that, i don't know. but like you say, there something say, there is something about nigel british nigel farage that the british pubuc nigel farage that the british public to don't see public seem to see. i don't see that yet. and i'm going to i'm

going to entirely honest. but going to be entirely honest. but there are several things that he's gone through also he's gone through that i also resonate relate to. but yes, resonate and relate to. but yes, certainly sunak would be questioning question. questioning that question. mark, what's here? questioning that question. mark, whiyes, here? questioning that question. mark, whiyes, i here? questioning that question. mark, whiyes, i know. here? questioning that question. mark, whiyes, i know. and? questioning that question. mark, whiyes, i know. and thinking he >> yes, i know. and thinking he is he is the meddler. he's the mischief maker. he's the thorn in and we that in the side. and we need that because, frankly, labour party have ineffectual have been completely ineffectual for four so. i for the last four years or so. i would say, in terms of changing anything. both of anything. and both leaders of our are not our two main parties are not electric that way. electric in that way. >> but nigel is like boris johnson. he natural born johnson. he is a natural born leader. a natural born leader. he is a natural born speaken leader. he is a natural born speaker, an orator. he can hold a room when you're in their presence talking, presence and they start talking, even if you disagree with them. as there no doubt as bucha says, there is no doubt that is a leader, that he that nigel is a leader, that he is a he holds people, that is a that he holds people, that he resonates people in the he resonates with people in the same boris johnson he same way that boris johnson he really does. and makes really does. and that makes people rishi sunak, who is people like rishi sunak, who is stiff starmer stiff and awkward. keir starmer even makes them very even more so. it makes them very uncomfortable, i think. >> think what believe, >> i think what i believe, i think leaders need to have conviction i think conviction and i think that leader are usually a leader is are usually have a cause and they convicted to that cause. i think what's cause. and i think that's what's lacking sunak and starmer. cause. and i think that's what's

lack nigel sunak and starmer. cause. and i think that's what's lack nigel farage k and starmer. cause. and i think that's what's lack nigel farage hasid starmer. cause. and i think that's what's lack nigel farage has always 1er. and nigel farage has always had that, even though don't agree that, even though i don't agree with of his causes, he with some of his causes, he still follows through still goes and follows through with believes. with what he believes. >> very clearly what he >> you know very clearly what he stands for in terms of representing british people, representing the british people, as . think as he would say. and i think that's going one of the that's going to be one of the problems that sunak will have going we're going fonnard is we're not we're still sure where he's still not quite sure where he's loyalties lie. what can he do to reassure people that does reassure people that he he does have the interests of the british heart? british people at heart? >> i think he to >> honestly, i think he needs to speak to british public some speak to the british public some more about what he really believes to believes. i struggle to understand sunak is about, understand what sunak is about, and i think he needs to have direct discussions about who he is, what he stands for, and where he's taking great britain , because i still do not understand and i think a lot of that emma in the very that lies emma in the very simple question are you a are you a supporting the individual or are you about the collective ? >> it's very, very difficult that very conservative notion of the importance of the of the individual compared to the state. but it's very difficult for rishi sunak. >> he's been caught up in so

much of the past. he was chancellor during that difficult time. he's a very, very wealthy man, one of the most the wealthiest in the country, which people don't like. okay. nigel is a very wealthy to but i think rishi sunak he's not married to a billionaire. tory is not clear . we don't that clear, . we don't have that clear, clear vision of what stands clear vision of what he stands for. he hasn't been quite clear on net zero. he's gone back and forth things. i don't i think forth on things. i don't i think there's a clarity about people forth on things. i don't i think thennigel:larity about people forth on things. i don't i think then nigel farage bout people forth on things. i don't i think then nigel farage and. people forth on things. i don't i think then nigel farage and borisle like nigel farage and boris johnson it's just very johnson that it's just very direct. well, whether or direct. yeah, well, whether or not agree, i do feel like not you agree, i do feel like we're to see little we're starting to see a little bit clear water between the bit of clear water between the parties now, actually. >> and think we'll in >> and i think we'll see more in the to the election. keir the run up to the election. keir starmer tweeted yesterday, ladies, black history is british history. diversity history. he said, our diversity is greatest strengths is one of our greatest strengths . so he then announced his my labour government introduce labour government will introduce a race equality act to tackle structural racial inequality as well. we already have race as a protected characteristic . protected characteristic. bushra, in the under the equalities act. it is already illegal to discriminate against

a race against people of colour by the by your employer or a service provider . so what is he service provider. so what is he promising here and who is this meant to appeal to? >> honestly, i think sometimes he jumps on the bandwagon of race because it's like a populist. you know, subject and topic and the truth is, i think this actually does more harm to great britain than it does good. and because are and because we are a multicultural already, multicultural society already, we exist. like you say, we have policies and we have we have equality and race acts that already don't any already exist. we don't need any more. personally, i don't think we need a black history month in this don't think we this country. i don't think we don't history month of don't need a history month of any race. i think are any type of race. i think we are any type of race. i think we are a collective and we do things together. personally, i just together. and personally, i just think it's for the vote. i don't i don't actually think he cares about it either. i'm also not sure i mean, even even the sure that i mean, even even the most the most engaged most even the most engaged advocates of a diversity and black month. advocates of a diversity and bla this month. advocates of a diversity and bla this doesn'tonth. advocates of a diversity and bla this doesn't feel like the >> this doesn't feel like the most pressing thing at the moment we can't pay our moment when we can't pay our mortgages we're mortgages or know whether we're going allowed our going to be allowed to drive our

cars. going to be allowed to drive our car:and think this kind of >> and i think this kind of photograph with with keir starmer, chatting to starmer, you know, chatting to someone rastafarian someone wearing the rastafarian colour, lot people colour, i think a lot of people of all colours can see that this is virtue signalling britain is one racist one of the least racist societies world, which societies in the world, which was evidenced a surveys recently. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> and to introduce this kind of thing, i think it's divisive. i think it's unnecessarily divisive. many, many prominent black politicians, leaders, you know, writers have said actually , it's a really great place to grow up in. and there isn't entrenched racism. and of course, where where it occurs, it can be rooted out. but we have that. we already have that in place. >> it's also quite fascinating how the parties deal with how the two parties deal with these sorts of issues around identity , bushra, because we've identity, bushra, because we've we've we've got some of the papers today looking at the potential leaders of the conservative party. we already potential leaders of the cons(rishi ye party. we already potential leaders of the cons(rishi sunak,. we already potential leaders of the cons(rishi sunak, anle already potential leaders of the cons(rishi sunak, a manready potential leaders of the cons(rishi sunak, a man of dy have rishi sunak, a man of indian origin racial cabinet, and a very multiracial and we have a very multiracial cabinet. if you look at the cabinet. and if you look at the people are waiting in the people who are waiting in the wings, priti patel, kemi badenoch suella braverman these are colour only. are all women of colour only. >> there isn't.

>> there isn't. >> there isn't necessarily a problem that labour needs to fix i >> none of them have asked for special treatment. none them special treatment. none of them have special treatment. >> honestly think that labour often feeds into this victimhood that around. that exists around. people always be victim of always want to be a victim of something and it's not. and i think party has think the tory party has actually say stand up, work hard, do what you're good at. we're not going have this we're not going to have this this your culture and my this is your culture and my culture. we are one culture. we're great britain that is we're great britain and that is an and a banner of an umbrella and a banner of everybody. an umbrella and a banner of everybonhat a wonderful note to >> and what a wonderful note to wrap it up on. up next, patrick christys is in manchester. we're going he's got in going to see what he's got in store show three. but store for his show at three. but first here's the latest weather. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news something of a north south the of a north south split with the weather then weather today and then the potential for some pretty heavy rain over parts of central and eastern england tonight. so there's low there's two areas of low pressure. moving up pressure. this one moving up from south is bringing some from the south is bringing some quite but it's also quite warm air, but it's also bringing lot of clouds and bringing a lot of clouds and damp and drizzly across damp and drizzly feel across southwest much of north southwest england. much of north wales, light and drizzle on

wales, light rain and drizzle on and pushing into and off here, pushing into north—west something north—west england to something a brighter over parts of a bit brighter over parts of eastern england and some good spells for scotland spells of sunshine for scotland and northern although and northern ireland, although plenty also coming plenty of showers. also coming in a brisk wind across the in on a brisk wind across the highlands and western isles. highlands and the western isles. temperatures in mid temperatures here in the mid teens south bit teens further south with a bit of brightness, could easily of brightness, we could easily creep 20s, then creep into the 20s, but then later on, the rain is likely to turn heavier over the midlands, particularly east midlands , particularly the east midlands, through parts lincolnshire through parts of lincolnshire dunng through parts of lincolnshire during and during the evening, and especially for parts of norfolk. we catch some we could catch some thunderstorms that could drop a lot rain in a short space of lot of rain in a short space of time before that all tends to clear away overnight temperatures holding the temperatures holding up in the south. quite warm night here. south. quite a warm night here. something a little cooler further but still most further north, but still most towns double towns and cities in double digits tuesday . and we digits onto tuesday. and we still start off with lot of still start off with a lot of cloud east anglia in the cloud over east anglia in the south east. a little bit of rain here on, but that here early on, too, but that should away then. skies should clear away then. skies brighten places will see a brighten most places will see a mixture of sunshine and showers on most of the on tuesday, with most of the showers northern england showers across northern england and scotland and a largely dry

afternoon further south, a bit breezy, but temperatures in the sunshine the south—east sunshine again in the south—east over 20 degrees . over 20 degrees. >> well, well, here we are. it's 1150 at the tory conference. there's still huge excitement, i've got to tell you, nigel farage, it's like the parting of the sea here. the tory the red sea here. the tory actors just moved aside to let the great man walk fonnard. patrick christys of course , is patrick christys of course, is coming up at 3:00 and he's down there with amongst the crowd. patrick atmosphere patrick the atmosphere has changed because patrick the atmosphere has cicertain because patrick the atmosphere has cicertain nigel because patrick the atmosphere has cicertain nigel farage.wecause patrick the atmosphere has cicertain nigel farage. whate patrick the atmosphere has cicertain nigel farage. what do a certain nigel farage. what do you make it . you make of it. >> a little bit of a dodgy signal there, but i think i've just about got you. i am with, of course, nigel farage here at conservative party conference. and nigel, you created the and nigel, you created quite the storm arrived. storm when you arrived. >> well, it's funny, the conservative full of conservative party is full of people who want it to be conservative. they've just had 13 years government which conservative. they've just had 13 ynot; government which conservative. they've just had 13 ynot been jvernment which conservative. they've just had 13 ynot been conservative, which it's not been conservative, but they're of encouraged they're kind of encouraged a bit. but 2 of the things bit. but 1 or 2 of the things that have been said by the prime

minister the last few weeks minister over the last few weeks andindeed minister over the last few weeks and indeed braverman so and indeed suella braverman so they're all these youngsters that so all hoping that i've met so far, all hoping and praying that the party continues that direction. the continues in that direction. the problem that most problem they've got is that most conservative mps actually don't want so want to go in that direction. so what far , actually what i've seen so far, actually within the parliamentary party are on the most are divisions on the most astonishing scale. absolutely. >> and there's a lot on today. i will you, course, will be with you, of course, three till p.m. we're going to three till 6 pm. we're going to be talking about echr. we're be talking about the echr. we're going talking about going to be talking about immigration. we're to be immigration. we're to going be talking about net zero as well. we're talking we're going to be talking about all issues. what do all of those key issues. what do you think is the important you think is the most important issue rishi sunak? cause we issue for rishi sunak? cause we just a little this way, just walk a little bit this way, actually, because i want just actually, because i want to just show where our stand is show kind of where our stand is . so what are going to be the key issues for you? tax >> so what is he i mean, we've had 13 years of taxes rising, 13 years of spending rising, 13 years of spending rising, 13 years of spending rising, 13 years of deficits rising, 13 years of deficits rising, 13 years small business being years of small business being hampered more and and more, hampered more and more and more, 13 record levels of 13 years of record levels of immigration know, immigration in, you know, will the real sunak please

the real rishi sunak please stand up? who is he? what is he really for? this is his really stand for? this is his last, chance really last, last chance to really impress people his impress upon people what his political philosophy is. we'll see. will indeed. see. yeah, we will indeed. >> this for you by the way, >> in this for you by the way, is the gb news stand. you can see andrew there behind see andrew pierce there behind me. says, look at and me. he says, look at him. and we're to . going be here three we're to. going be here three till six, milling around a little bit as well, getting the views of some of the people that are here speaking to a whole host of different mps. so there's a huge amount on the agenda now. nigel, one thing for you. last night we were here at an event, lord an event and at that event, lord cruddas, who is, you know, formerly conservative formerly a major conservative party explicit. party donor, was very explicit. he stop to the he said, stop donating to the conservative party, donate to a, a level was a grass roots level that was incredibly strong. you incredibly strong. and you personally ringing personally got a ringing endorsement patel as endorsement from priti patel as well. what do you well. two things. what do you make secondly, any make of that? and secondly, any chance you joining the tories? >> well, look, i mean . cruddas >> well, look, i mean. cruddas last night was just rebellious, openly rebellious. it was defund

the conservative party. i think some mps there felt some of the mps there felt slightly awkward and embarrassed by argument by that. but what his argument is that the central party has taken democracy, taken away local democracy, the ability to choose their own candidates. strong. candidates. that was strong. priti kind about priti patel was very kind about me, but suppose a way i you me, but i suppose in a way i you know, i helped them in 2019 and enormously. they'd never have got position. got to the brexit position. if i hadn't done. hadn't done what i'd done. they'd never got the red they'd never have got the red wall i hadn't done i'd wall if i hadn't done what i'd done. and saying, thank done. and she was saying, thank you am i going to join you for that. am i going to join the conservatives? i'm still you for that. am i going to join the coilong atives? i'm still you for that. am i going to join the coilong ways? i'm still you for that. am i going to join the coilong way away i'm still you for that. am i going to join the coilong way away from still you for that. am i going to join the coilong way away from that. a very long way away from that. >> a very long way >> it's still a very long way away from that. okay. fair enough. look , enough. all right. well, look, this is just a little taste of what's to come now shall be on my little bit later on as my show a little bit later on as well. like i said, i'm going in with lee anderson top, with lee anderson at the top, whole top issues whole host of really top issues here, echr. we've got as here, the echr. we've got tax as well, the work well, whether or not the work shires, they've been called should have their benefits cut. we're going to be talking about all environment. so it all things environment. so it really is all go three till 6 pm. but back the studio. p.m. but back in the studio. >> patrick. thank >> thank you, patrick. thank you. nigel to you. tell nigel farage to make sure tonic on sure there's a gin and tonic on the bar for me. by the time i arrive this evening. now you've the bar for me. by the time i arribeenis evening. now you've the bar for me. by the time i arribeen getting 1g. now you've the bar for me. by the time i arribeen getting in now you've

the bar for me. by the time i arribeen getting in now jasrve all been getting in touch as well. on this issue of well. this is on this issue of whether are work shy, well. this is on this issue of whethwho are work shy, well. this is on this issue of whethwho are are work shy, well. this is on this issue of whethwho are claimingk shy, well. this is on this issue of whethwho are claiming benefits. those who are claiming benefits. and fine for and peter said it's fine for jeremy the jeremy hunt to say that the government crack government is going to crack down shy by giving down on the work shy by giving different benefits if they don't actively seek to job. i actively seek to find a job. i thought already the thought that was already the case, their benefits are case, even if their benefits are if you don't job, if you don't get a job, your benefits period of benefits are cut for a period of time. hear a bit time. well, we'll hear a bit more on that, hopefully more detail on that, hopefully from this afternoon more detail on that, hopefully from and this afternoon more detail on that, hopefully from and ian this afternoon more detail on that, hopefully from and ian says .his afternoon more detail on that, hopefully from and ian says justrfternoon more detail on that, hopefully from and ian says just to ernoon more detail on that, hopefully from and ian says just to bring soon. and ian says just to bring some your comments on some balance to your comments on the benefit applicants. the job shy benefit applicants. my jobcentre my experience at the jobcentre is incompetence. my experience at the jobcentre is been incompetence. my experience at the jobcentre is been of incompetence. my experience at the jobcentre is been of work mpetence. my experience at the jobcentre is been of work mpwnine e. i've been out of work for nine months. i've had no help. it's taken two to taken them over two months to help a course which help me get on a course which will job i had to will get me a job which i had to request. is not just one request. this is not just one way traffic. some of us are actively work. thank way traffic. some of us are activian. work. thank way traffic. some of us are activian. that's work. thank way traffic. some of us are activian. that's a/ork. thank way traffic. some of us are activian. that's a reallyhank you, ian. that's a really interesting actually you, ian. that's a really interehasg actually you, ian. that's a really intere has said actually you, ian. that's a really interehas said i'm actually you, ian. that's a really interehas said i'm sickjally you, ian. that's a really interehas said i'm sickjalbeing brian has said i'm sick of being . classed as far right by the left, even though i'm just right of centre. and that's what such an interesting conversation, i think to have over next few think to have over the next few days events in days with the events going on in manchester. even days with the events going on in mancianymore even days with the events going on in mancianymore to even days with the events going on in mancianymore to be even days with the events going on in mancianymore to be righteven days with the events going on in mancianymore to be right wing or mean anymore to be right wing or left wing? i think that's incredibly ambiguous in 2023 and i to to

i have got a train to catch to hotfoot it up to manchester. so mark longhurst and pip tomson will be here. mark, what's coming show for you? >> well, surprisingly enough, we'll taxing we'll be asking, is it taxing times in times for the tories up in manchester? course, manchester? because of course, we've rejecting we've got jeremy hunt rejecting calls tax cuts. calls for those big tax cuts. also . also. questioning suella braverman's language on migration. so we'll have his speech live from that party conference manchester. also conference in manchester. also coming doctors coming up, junior doctors joining consultants on the picket lines for their longest combined a three day combined strike yet. a three day walkout in that long running dispute. the dispute. what will break the deadlock? up, deadlock? and also coming up, we're ducking deadlock? and also coming up, we're water ducking deadlock? and also coming up, we're water companies.1g deadlock? and also coming up, we're water companies. it from the water companies. it seems our seems they want to raise our bills a year. bills by another £156 a year. but be asking, what have but we'll be asking, what have they billions they done with the billions we've them ? all we've already given them? all that up noon. thank that coming up at 12 noon. thank you, mark. >> right. and thank you at.

good afternoon. >> it is midday and you are with the live desk here on gb news. coming up this monday lunchtime. >> um, are the tories in tax turmoil? jeremy hunt rejecting >> um, are the tories in tax turm(for jeremy hunt rejecting >> um, are the tories in tax turm(for bigzmy hunt rejecting >> um, are the tories in tax turm(for big cutshunt rejecting >> um, are the tories in tax turm(for big cutshunt also :ting calls for big cuts and also questions braverman questions suella braverman language questions suella braverman langl hiss questions suella braverman lanthise live from have his speech live from the party manchester. party conference in manchester. >> junior doctors join consults to launch their longest combined find strike yet. a three day walkout in their long running dispute over pay. what will

break the deadlock ? break the deadlock? >> and taking another ducking from the water companies . they from the water companies. they now want to raise our bills by another £156 a year. but campaigners ask, what have they done with the billions they've already taken from . already taken from. us >> we'll also take our hats off to europe's ryder cup victorious. butjust to europe's ryder cup victorious. but just why has golf become such a bogey sport ? golf become such a bogey sport? but first, let's tee off with the news headlines from rte . the news headlines from rte. >> thanks, pip. mark good afternoon. our top stories this hourin afternoon. our top stories this hour in breaking news gb news can reveal that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year . around 350 migrants in up to eight boats were intercepted by border force vessels and brought

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