woman is and the tell you what a woman is and the biggest noise of the day so far. the biggest shock for many was nigel farage walking this very path this studio here. path to this very studio here. he will also be on my show and are there rumblings that he could even rejoin the conservative party? surely not. it's all to play for. yes, indeed. later on today . yes, indeed. later on today. i've also got the latest on this afternoon's huge breaking news story on hs2. will we be reporting very soon that the latest leg to manchester has been scrapped? i've got deputy chair of the party, lee anderson , with me, liam halligan. we'll be picking through it as well as, of course, our political editor, hope , and editor, christopher hope, and much, that's to much, much more. so that's to all play now between now and all play for now between now and 6:00. your latest 6:00. but first is your latest headunes 6:00. but first is your latest headlines with . ray thanks , patrick.

>> good afternoon. it's 3:01. our top stories this hour. donald trump has arrived at a court in new york where he's due to stand trial in a civil fraud case. now, we should be able to see pictures coming to us live from manhattan where the former us president is accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms. and for those of you watching on television, we can see live footage there of donald trump speaking outside the civil court in new york city. now, of course, this comes a week after the judge found that mr trump was liable fraud will was liable for fraud and will largely concern the penalties that he must face. now, the prosecutor is seeking $250 million fines and a permanent million in fines and a permanent ban against trump from running businesses in new york. we'll bnng businesses in new york. we'll bring you more on this story as we get in. well, a government source has told gb news that no decisions have been taken on hs2 following reports that the manchester leg has been axed. it follows increased speculation

about the rail projects future, with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs . the chancellor spiralling costs. the chancellor says it shouldn't cost ten times more to build a railway in the uk than just across the channel in france . the second police in france. the second police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell brand. in a statement at thames valley, police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. they added that it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation . it follows investigation. it follows a joint investigation by the sunday times and channel 4. russell brand denies us all accusations of criminal city. the chancellor has announced plans to freeze the expansion of the civil service and reduce its numbers to pre—pandemic levels dunng numbers to pre—pandemic levels during his speech at the conservative party conference, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next

yean the government £1 billion next year. meanwhile the chancellor announced tougher benefits sanctions on those who are capable of working but choose not to. and a national living wage rise to £11 per hour. we promised in our manifesto to raise the national living wage to two thirds of median income , to two thirds of median income, ending low pay in this country. >> at the moment, it's £10.42 an hour and we're waiting for the low pay commission to tell us next year's recommendation . but next year's recommendation. but i confirm today, whatever that recommendation, we'll increase the national living wage to at least £11 an hour next year . least £11 an hour next year. that's a pay rise for two 2 million workers. >> well, liz truss has called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax back to 19% in his next autumn statement. speaking at a fringe rally, the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. her comments come after jeremy hunt told gb news that no substantial

tax cuts are possible this year . ms truss said businesses are now choosing not to locate in the uk and they shouldn't be treated like a cash cow . to be milked. >> we need to unleash business across britain . we need people across britain. we need people to want to invest in our country. we need businesses to be able to expand, to grow , to be able to expand, to grow, to create new jobs, to create new ideas. create new jobs, to create new ideas . that's why i'm calling ideas. that's why i'm calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put corporation tax back down to 19. and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better junior doctors and consultants in england have started a three day walkout, the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's been described as christmas day levels of staffing. >> their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments being rescheduled . appointments being rescheduled. government says the walkout is

doing a massive disservice to patients . these doctors told us patients. these doctors told us why they've walked until and unless there is a credible pay offer , it will mean that doctors offer, it will mean that doctors offer, it will mean that doctors of all grades, but especially senior doctors, will continue to leave the country for more other places, and the nhs will continue to suffer. >> we are not planning for the future. there is going to be no staffing nhs. there's staffing in the nhs. there's going in the future going to be no nhs in the future if we don't fight for our pay . if we don't fight for our pay. so this isn't really necessarily a fight about individual consultant say we're consultant papers say we're actually for very actually fighting for the very future nhs and finally gb future of the nhs and finally gb news can reveal that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the engush 25,000 migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year i >> around 350 migrants in up to eight boats were intercepted by border force vessels and brought ashore to dover harbour this morning. on . saturday, 537 morning. on. saturday, 537 people crossed in nine small boats. that's according to official figures released by the home office this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car,

on digital radio, and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now let's get back to . patrick >> welcome along to conservative party conference 2023 with me patrick christys . now there's patrick christys. now there's only one place to start and that is the future or potential lack of hs2. a senior government source has told gb news that no decision has been made about whether the northern leg of hs2 should be scrapped. but after a week of speculation, it is now being reported that rishi sunak has decided to ditch the high speed rail link between manchester and birmingham, where are we? manchester? yes not particularly. great. look, i'm joined in the studio by the wonderful liam halligan. of course, our economics and business editor. i've got christopher hope , who's our christopher hope, who's our political and got political editor, and i've got the , lee anderson of the man himself, lee anderson of our parish, but also, of course, the deputy chair of the tory party. now, can you just fill us

in, first, where in, christopher, first, where are are what's are we actually are so what's the ? the latest then? >> the latest is that there are widespread reports they widespread reports that they have between have access leg between manchester have access leg between mancheste key . that was the leg that's the key. that was the leg which currently hs2 is. this high link goes from high speed link goes from birmingham to old oak common about five miles outside london. and it . and there have and that's it. and there have been lots of speculation and indeed this morning the chancellor there's chancellor said to us there's been no actual decision decision yet. made soon. yet. it would be made soon. we're the government we're told by the government that has made that no decision has been made yet, think looks yet, but we do think it looks mood music here is increasingly likely yeah, my likely has been axed. yeah, my colleague catherine forster heard senior heard that from a senior colleague. i how it looks colleague. i think how it looks a helicopter if stand a helicopter, if you stand back on looks dreadful for on this, it looks dreadful for the government's levelling up agenda. we're here in manchester. all the money was spent on tunnelling underground in south england. they in the south of england. they can't to can't even link birmingham to manchester with this fast train . leigh. . well, there we go, leigh. >> does emerge, as is >> if it does emerge, as is becoming increasingly expected, that that that they will announce that they've leg, how they've scrapped that leg, how would that? would you feel about that? >> well, let's be honest, patrick, no decision made yet. >> it's a bit speculation >> so it's a bit of speculation at the moment chopper. at the moment from chopper. but, you a decision you know, people want a decision that's the most important thing. >> nay >> they want a yay or nay on this, because i'm out and

this, because when i'm out and aboutin this, because when i'm out and about in my constituency and you're people here, you're talking to people here, members whatever members and activists, whatever you come up you it doesn't really come up that honest. you it doesn't really come up that hs2, honest. you it doesn't really come up that hs2, it honest. you it doesn't really come up that hs2, it produces jobs >> yes. hs2, it produces jobs and employment and training and opportunities. >> here, though , we are in a >> here, though, we are in a bubble. >> you're in a bubble. bubble. >> you're in a bubble . you're in >> you're in a bubble. you're in a bubble in this place, patrick. but in but actually on the doorstep in manchester, mean manchester, i don'tjust mean conservative conference in manchester in the places where this supposed to . this thing was supposed to. >> realise, patrick, this thing was supposed to. >> whole realise, patrick, this thing was supposed to. >> whole countryalise, patrick, this thing was supposed to. >> whole country hase, patrick, this thing was supposed to. >> whole country has got trick, this thing was supposed to. >> whole country has got to :k, this thing was supposed to. >> whole country has got to pay the whole country has got to pay for this. >> every single the >> every single taxpayer in the uk for this uk has got to pay for this project and it's spiralling out of control. >> now. >> now. >> i'm easy with it goes >> i'm easy with it if it goes ahead, support they ahead, i'll support it. if they scrap that scrap it, i'll support that either need either way. but we need a decision and we need it very, very because like say, very soon because like i say, the are out of control. >> so you do no >> so you really do have no strong feelings either way as to whether or not hs2 is scrapped. you know , should be levelling up you know, should be levelling up when it was proposed to come to ashfield, it and i ashfield, i opposed it and i opposed it with boris johnson at the time. >> he it the time. >> he thetime. »he >> he scrapped it and it's no longer coming through ashfield. >> delighted are my constituents. >> it's as simple as that. >> it's as simple as that. >> proxy scrutiny face up though. wonder why you

though. i wonder why you delightedly this is delightedly i mean this this is a spent £100 a project which has spent £100 billion it going billion upwards on it going to cost billion upwards on it going to cos you billion upwards on it going to cosyou know, billion upwards on it going to cos you know, you can't you billion upwards on it going to cosyou know, you can't you can't >> you know, you can't you can't see a bigger white elephant that almost is a complete, you know, an insult to your government's legacy on on levelling up by not linking manchester, birmingham and tunnelling under the south to save the views of people in the south. >> you go out in the streets of ashfield nottinghamshire in >> you go out in the streets of ash midlands nottinghamshire in >> you go out in the streets of ash midlands notti ask amshire in >> you go out in the streets of ash midlands notti ask them re in >> you go out in the streets of ash midlands nottiask them about the midlands and ask them about levelling up and they'll say sort sort our sort our roads out, sort our scores hospitals scores out, sort our hospitals out. say build out. they won't say build another hs2, another railway chord, hs2, that'll of their agenda. >> all right, liam, i'll bring you this. economics you in on this. now, economics and editor. it and business editor. does it make financial sense to plough ahead with hs2 or to scrap the thing to manchester? well, we've already spent about £30 billion on london to birmingham leg on the london to birmingham leg as as chopper just said, the euston gateway, sort of like karthik , like station in central london. >> that's been put on hold. so for now, it seems hs2 is going to terminate at old oak common, which is in west london, the

suburb of acton . um, and then suburb of acton. um, and then you've got to get on the tube to get to central london, which will take longer than the conventional train from birmingham to look, if birmingham to london. look, if we just do to birmingham we just do london to birmingham , hs2 will be a complete white elephant . already have two elephant. we already have two railway lines from london to birmingham , euston, street birmingham, euston, new street and marylebone into snow hill. these are decent . railways. just these are decent. railways. just take 20 minutes off that journey . makes no sense if it's costing you tens of billions of pounds, chop up one sack. >> sorry , liam. sorry. >> sorry, liam. sorry. >> sorry, liam. sorry. >> got a statement here. >> i've got a statement here. statement from number 10. statement here from number 10. just inbox. these statement here from number 10. just are inbox. these statement here from number 10. just are inaccurate box. these statement here from number 10. just are inaccurate .ox. these statement here from number 10. just are inaccurate . no these statement here from number 10. just are inaccurate . no final reports are inaccurate. no final decisions have been taken on phase two of hs2. now, that's where this morning. but where we were. this morning. but a people are saying we a lot of people are saying we are hearing other people, are hearing from other people, other telling other ministers are telling people been axed. so people that it has been axed. so it is not clear right now. >> is inevitable, though, it is not clear right now. >> numbertable, though, it is not clear right now. >> numbertable, goingl, it is not clear right now. >> numbertable, going to say that number 10 are going to say that number 10 are going to say that don't to that because they don't want to knock and knock the chancellor and his freeze the civil and freeze on the civil service and his raising the midland his raising of the midland minimum wage, even though business that. minimum wage, even though bus buts that. minimum wage, even though bus but that's that. minimum wage, even though bus but that's happened. >> but that's now happened. his speech the

speech has happened off the front pages of the front. >> they want want to try >> they want they want to try and the news. >> they want they want to try and we're the news. >> they want they want to try and we're all the news. >> they want they want to try and we're all hearinge news. >> they want they want to try and we're all hearing fromvs. now we're all hearing from different within different sources within government, upset government, people who are upset that has been scrapped. that hs2 has been scrapped. we're hearing that the we're all hearing that the decision has actually been made. look london to look if we just do london to birmingham, it's a white elephant. lee's right . birmingham, it's a white elephant. lee's right. i elephant. i think lee's right. i mean, made a lot of mean, what i've made a lot of documentaries in the past about hs2 people the north of hs2. people want in the north of england, trans pennine england, they want trans pennine routes, buses , routes, they want better buses, they they they want better roads. they don't a high rail don't want a high speed rail line goes through all the line that goes through all the northern towns and doesn't stop . that's the problem it. . that's the problem with it. and speed rail, it and high speed rail, it generally brings more generally just brings more business to the capital. that's what of france what the experience of france and spain show. >> government >> look, so the government that's coming and saying that's coming out and saying this of nonsense. what this is a load of nonsense. what we're told the we're being told behind the scenes here that and read scenes here that go and read that statement quickly. it that statement again quickly. it says number spokesman says here, number 10 spokesman says here, number 10 spokesman says issue says very rare they ever issue statement things. statement on these things. >> these are inaccurate, >> these reports are inaccurate, not inaccurate. let's not wrong, but inaccurate. let's wait see. no final decisions wait and see. no final decisions have phase two of have been taken on phase two of hs2. what that might mean is that he might announce his that he might announce in his speech the pm tomorrow they're going the going to put more money into the link hull, manchester

link between hull, manchester and liverpool. that could be what they're doing. they add bits hs2. all right, come bits of hs2. all right, come on. >> well, you know what, patrick? >> well, you know what, patrick? >> my community >> what i want in my community and north the and across the north and in the midlands is for little old lady to a bus in to be able to get on a bus in one to to next village. >> i want little old >> i don't want that little old lady sat there looking through her window and her living room window and seeing a train going by at 120 mile hour, train she mile an hour, a train that she can never get on ever in her life. >> that's what i want. better local business want local business may want something else. local business may want son business lse. local business may want son businesslse. get the >> business can't get on the bus like is actually an >> this is actually an interesting divide within the party, i don't party, right? because i don't think a divide. think it's a divide. >> a better connectivity. >> i want a better connectivity. >> i want a better connectivity. >> we this >> and like we live in this bubble, patrick, we're bubble, patrick, and we're working this bubble where we think to london working this bubble where we think day to london working this bubble where we think day work to london working this bubble where we think day work tthey|don don't. >> 99% of my residents, my constituents never get on a train . i get train, but train. i get on a train, but they don't. >> they go anywhere on >> and they don't go anywhere on a i don't profess to know >> so i don't profess to know the than the deputy the party better than the deputy chair, soundings the party better than the deputy chai been soundings the party better than the deputy chai been covering soundings the party better than the deputy chai been covering this 1dings the party better than the deputy chai been covering this party; the party better than the deputy chai been covering this party my the party better than the deputy chai beadultvering this party my the party better than the deputy chai be adult life. g this party my the party better than the deputy chai beadult life. i this party my the party better than the deputy chai beadult life. i don't)arty my whole adult life. i don't actually think hs2 is very popular within even within the conservative party, among party activists. rishi sunak, for activists. if rishi sunak, for all the embarrassment , you know, all the embarrassment, you know, absolutely. we're in a former train depot here. if if, if, if

he if he takes the brickbats for scrapping or shelving birmingham to manchester, if that frees up tens of billions for tax cuts or for better buses or for a trans—pennine route, that actually works, then i think people in the conservative party will cheer. >> so actually , he should be >> so actually, he should be brave because has made brave because liam has made a series great points there. series of great points there. it's even it's not that popular even the people with i'm people who came up with hs2, i'm not thought people who came up with hs2, i'm n(would thought people who came up with hs2, i'm n(would ever thought people who came up with hs2, i'm n(would ever come thought people who came up with hs2, i'm n(would ever come fruition: people who came up with hs2, i'm n(would ever come fruition . it would ever come to fruition. we now do have a cost of living crisis. money be crisis. that money could be spent elsewhere. rural connectivity midlands and northern connectivity . if rishi northern connectivity. if rishi sunak was brave, what he'd do is he'd come out right now and scrap thing, wouldn't he? scrap the thing, wouldn't he? >> well, think gave the >> well, i think if you gave the pubuc >> well, i think if you gave the public choice, especially in public a choice, especially in where i live, between high speed rail and tram rail and better buses and tram services local regional services and local regional railways , they'd go for the railways, they'd go for the latter. obviously it makes common and it's cheaper. latter. obviously it makes conbutn and it's cheaper. latter. obviously it makes conbut what and it's cheaper. latter. obviously it makes con but what we nd it's cheaper. latter. obviously it makes con but what we nd it' get eaper. latter. obviously it makes con but what we nd it' get around, >> but what we can't get around, christopher, that christopher, is the fact that the in the conservatives have been in power we've been power for 13 years. we've been ploughing ahead with this and it has a catastrophic waste has been a catastrophic waste of money. whether money. and regardless of whether or right or not people think the right decision comes around in the end, is a load money end, the fact is a load of money has just burnt.

has just been burnt. >> us in government's >> us in the government's defence they have got spent 400 billion a covid pandemic billion on a covid pandemic since 20 2020, 100 billion more has gone and a lot more money has gone and a lot more money has gone and a lot more money has gone on supporting ukraine war. so there are extra costs on the exchequer and that's what's driving this review by by jeremy hunt. if you take a hunt. but i think if you take a step back, it's a complete testament, think, to testament, i think, to a failure, i think, to link the north and the south properly, to spend money save spend all the money to save those in cotswolds those views in the cotswolds tunnel underground. you tunnel underground. and then you can't a link between can't afford a link between birmingham. is a disgrace. >> you think you'll come up with something you something else? do you think you might massage might soften that? you massage it a bit and say, okay, we're not doing. >> certainly look >> almost certainly he will look at extra spending in the at ways of extra spending in the north say between at ways of extra spending in the north manchestery between at ways of extra spending in the north manchestery bei liverpool. hull, manchester and liverpool. there's bits of the north, northern, part of spur. northern, very part of hs2 spur. they link isn't they need for that link isn't it. isn't it. >> absolutely it. isn't it. >> and absolutely it. isn't it. >> and ifsolutely it. isn't it. >> and if he jtely it. isn't it. >> and if he does that'll >> and if he does that that'll be popular than be more popular possibly than say keir starmer goes. no, say if keir starmer goes. no, we're going plough ahead say if keir starmer goes. no, we'reit. going plough ahead with it. >> look, em-a with it. >> look, a selfish >> well, look, we're a selfish bunch, politics, bunch, especially in politics, and as and constituents are selfish as well. >> want, eu-n ell-u >> they want, like i say, i keep saying local, local connectivity. >> they to get a bus or >> they want to get on a bus or a to the next

a train, a tram to the next town. they want. town. that's what they want. >> they don't to london. >> they don't come to london. they birmingham, they don't go to birmingham, they manchester. they don't go to manchester. >> i pm tomorrow, >> if i was the pm tomorrow, you'd this by saying, look, you'd spin this by saying, look, last the back last week i moved the time back for, for net to net zero for 20, 20, 35. i'm making i'm popular choices for national interest. that's we'll say tomorrow. >> well hang on what's the slogan of this place here again long term long term decision making brighter future. making for a brighter future. that's mean, that's where it is. i mean, that's i was talking to that's what i was talking to alistair day, alistair darling the other day, former chancellor former former former chancellor former labour secretary of labour transport secretary of course, alistair darling was the labour politician who signed the original document, which proposed hs2 . proposed hs2. >> the train left the station in 2008 nine and alistair darling said to me, indeed, in 2009 i signed the document, but i didn't think they'd be stupid enough to actually go through with this. >> oh , there you go. >> oh, there you go. >> oh, there you go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> another news. >> there you go. >> laughter news. >> there you go. >> laughter okay, ns. >> there you go. >> laughter okay, philip , we are >> laughter okay, philip, we are where are with hs2 . where we are with hs2. >> that is as far as we >> that is about as far as we can take discussion can kind of take the discussion right about right now. we've spoken about the whether or the waste of money, whether or not the the waste of money, whether or not of the

the waste of money, whether or not of different the the waste of money, whether or not of different permutations kind of different permutations politically , can just refer politically, can i just refer a bit something else that bit to something else that jeremy hunt was talking about, which civil which was about the civil service, know, service, etcetera. you know, a bloated service a waste of bloated civil service a waste of taxpayers money, as it should . taxpayers money, as it should. we be cutting it back, getting them waste. hallelujah. them off the waste. hallelujah. >> that's what want them off the waste. hallelujah. >> hear. that's what want to hear. >> you know, we've known for far too long a health service, a local district, local councils, our district, our county councils. there's too much waste there . we're much waste in there. we're creating too many roles, too many officers. it's a many diversity officers. it's a load nonsense. we all know load of nonsense. we all know it. public know it. need it. the public know it. we need to trim it back and save some money and the taxpayer money and give the taxpayer good value get to taxpayer money and give the taxpayer good val money, get to taxpayer money and give the taxpayer good val money, taxpayer to taxpayer money and give the taxpayer good val money, taxpayer value xpayer money and give the taxpayer good val money, taxpayer value foryer for money, taxpayer value for money? liam, do you think we're doing. >> it'll be tough because the civil service masters are civil service past masters are entrenching themselves and getting way makes getting their own way makes passive aggressive behaviour, making life difficult for ministers. i want to see more nurses and doctors. i want to see more police. i want to see fewer in whitehall fewer pen pushers in whitehall working from on their working from home on their peloton machines all day at my expense . expense. >> does stick in the >> well, it does stick in the craw. that we have craw. absolutely that we have this of a seismic work from this idea of a seismic work from home the civil

home culture within the civil service. other people are service. well other people are trying to and out. trying to get up and get out. nurses can't home, nurses can't work from home, people factories. the people working factories. the question that always trips people when you people up, by the way, when you get from the unions on is get people from the unions on is why city officer why is a diverse city officer worth nurses? they never worth three nurses? they never answer do you answer that. christopher, do you think political sense think it makes political sense to jeremy hunt said think it makes political sense to aboutjeremy hunt said think it makes political sense to about that?y hunt said think it makes political sense to yes,)out that?y hunt said think it makes political sense to yes,301does.t?y hunt said think it makes political sense to yes,301does. andiunt said think it makes political sense to yes,301does. and it's said think it makes political sense to yes,301does. and it's onid >> yes, it does. and it's on him. party been him. this party has been in power years. they can do power for 13 years. they can do these that liam was these things that liam was talking anneliese talking talking about, anneliese talking about. there's a guy called steve secretary. steve barclay, health secretary. he's 1 in 6 jobs in his he's got1 in 6 jobs in his department. it can be done. it takes a of willpower . he's takes a lot of willpower. he's a former of former chief secretary of treasury the public treasury, sat on the public accounts committee. knows accounts committee. he knows about he can about how money is spent. he can deal a political deal with it with a political will. it, will. patrick they can do it, but they have failed that your party's failed this in 13 years. really? well, it's difficult chopper really? getlll, it's difficult chopper really? get to it's difficult chopper really? get to gripsifficult chopper really? get to grips with lt chopper really? get to grips with it.�*hopper to get to grips with it. >> it's a cauldron. >> it's got a cauldron. >> it's got a cauldron. >> not enough . you're paid >> it's got a cauldron. >1salary|ot enough . you're paid >> it's got a cauldron. >1salary to enough . you're paid >> it's got a cauldron. >1salary to d0)ugh . you're paid >> it's got a cauldron. >1salary to do itjh . you're paid a salary to do it. >> culture >> you've got a culture within the service. come the civil service. this has come from, 97, 98 from from, you know, 97, 98 from blair's days, where they are awkward. they can awkward. as liam said, they can they strike. they can they can go on strike. they can they can go on strike. they can they can go on strike. they can they can work for a moment. we're . we're really. >> leak stuff . >> yeah, we're leak stuff. >> yeah, we're leak stuff. >> can it can be >> yeah, there can it can be obstructive the home office.

obstructive in the home office. we've at we're we've seen it at least we're trying head on. trying to tackle it head on. >> genuine, an >> is there a genuine, an genuine concern , an or thought >> is there a genuine, an genuinthemcern , an or thought >> is there a genuine, an genuinthe conservative thought >> is there a genuine, an genuinthe conservative partyjht within the conservative party that you are day in, day out, doing battle with civil servants, that they are actively against you? >> i think it's not just us as politicians within the conservative party that's sorting out. >> think the country sort of >> i think the country sort of know well. patrick you know that as well. patrick you know, it. we've seen know, we've seen it. we've seen it nurses, the fire it with the nurses, the fire bngade it with the nurses, the fire brigade with brigade unions. we've seen with with there is brigade unions. we've seen with w battle. there is brigade unions. we've seen with wbattle. it's there is brigade unions. we've seen with wbattle. it's like there is a battle. it's been like a concerted effort the concerted effort since the pandemic have come out pandemic seems to have come out of been like tack pandemic seems to have come out of after been like tack pandemic seems to have come out of after attack like tack pandemic seems to have come out of after attack one tack pandemic seems to have come out of after attack on the.ack attack after attack on the government over public sector attack after attack on the govebutent over public sector attack after attack on the gove but now nver public sector attack after attack on the gove but now we'veiblic sector attack after attack on the gove but now we've got sector attack after attack on the gove but now we've got to ctor attack after attack on the gove but now we've got to ber pay. but now we've got to be strong. got to strong. strong. we've got to be strong. we've got face them we've got we've got to face them out. it with the junior out. we see it with the junior doctors they doctors at the moment and they will stop at nothing, stop at nothing to this government down. >> okay. look >> okay. all right. look one more you . would you be more with you. would you be happy if nigel farage the happy if nigel farage joined the conservative happy if nigel farage joined the con no. �*ative happy if nigel farage joined the con no. why not? >> no. why not? >> no. why not? >> because he. he took he took all the limelight off me . all the limelight off me. >> oh, you would have turned down his membership, though, would you? down his membership, though, wotno you? down his membership, though, wotno .ju? down his membership, though, wotno . well, i don't. i don't. >> no. well, i don't. i don't. i don't know. i mean, it's his first party conference since

1987. >> yeah, and you and i. patrick were at a dinner. the conservative democrat organisation. and nigel farage got got a huge shout out from priti patel and a massive round of applause. >> can i say i haven't seen an mp, a politician mobbed here like he was today since boris johnson a years johnson was here a few years ago. interesting. telling ago. interesting. i'm telling you this space. you, i think watch this space. >> just watch this space. hello, stranger things have happened. okay, stranger is going to join a party if he lead it. a party if he can lead it. >> things . >> stranger things. >> stranger things. >> you must know something, patrick. >> well, we'll have to wait and see. >> look, what a way to start the show. thank you very much, chaps. stuff. have chaps. great stuff. we'll have loads on this story loads more on this huge story that's about little that's about hs2 a little later in the hour. you get more on that now on our website. that right now on our website. it's moving that it's a fast moving story that unlike actual project unlike the actual project itself, fastest itself, gb news .gov fastest growing national news website in the nation, all the best analysis, opinion and the analysis, big opinion and the latest breaking news. but immigration is, of course, one of issues dominating of the big issues dominating this party conference. it's dominating the discussions around your dinner tables, whether you're driving around in your it's what a lot you your car. it's what a lot of you

are talking and news are talking about. and gb news can than 25,000 can reveal that more than 25,000 migrants crossed the migrants have now crossed the channel. far this year. last channel. so far this year. last week, braverman floated channel. so far this year. last weeidea braverman floated channel. so far this year. last weeidea leavingrman floated channel. so far this year. last weeidea leaving the1 floated channel. so far this year. last weeidea leaving the echrted the idea of leaving the echr well is this what tory members want? michael fabricant joins me very shortly to get stuck right in to arguably the biggest issue for you, the people patrick christys gb news, britain's news

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news is. welcome back to not so sunny manchester. >> inside the conference hall here conservative party conference. you are watching and listening to me patrick christys on coming to you on gb news now coming to you live. i've said from this live. like i've said from this wonderful conference hall here and later this hour, i will and now later this hour, i will talk all things net zero with the tory mp who won a by—election in what was seen as a protest vote sadiq a protest vote against sadiq khan's ulez expansion . and net khan's ulez expansion. and net zero is becoming an increasingly important topic on the doorstep. so it'll be a big interview that make sure you stay tuned for it. but sunak famous but one of rishi sunak famous five pledges is to stop the boats. think that's the phrase boats. i think that's the phrase he never but did he wishes never said. but he did say he kept repeating it. say it and he kept repeating it. he a plinth. stop he stood on a plinth. we'd stop the boats on it. so it's perhaps unfortunate prime unfortunate for the prime minister that we have reached another gb news another landmark today. gb news can reveal that 25,000 migrants have now crossed the channel in small year. so look , small boats this year. so look, i went out and about a little bit earlier on pounding the pavement here party pavement here at tory party conference out what conference to find out what young tory party members thought about whether we should leave

the echr . the echr. >> i think that it would be the wise thing to do for this country because a massive part of us leaving the european union is to take back control of our ability to dictate who gets into the country on our terms and i think the last major hurdle to thatis think the last major hurdle to that is the echr and the authority of the courts in strasbourg and in europe . strasbourg and in europe. >> i don't think the echr itself is the problem. the problem i think is the way it's translated into british law, such as the human equality human rights act, the equality act. i think itjust needs to be act. i think it just needs to be reformed and looked at again. the conservatives need to come and it and then and look at it again and then perhaps legislate it more properly in a more modern way so that it doesn't interfere with their agenda. >> we need to able to take >> we need to be able to take back our laws and back control of all our laws and one thing that the echr is doing is sorting out the boats issue and we need to sort that out. so we should put our country first and no, should leave the and say, no, we should leave the echr to we're echr and we're going to we're going stop the boats . going to stop the boats. >> look, not a massive amount of

diversity there. but it wasn't for a lack of trying. genuinely. that does to the general that does seem to be the general consensus particular consensus in the particular rooms that i am in here. our conservative conference, conservative party conference, interestingly and especially amongst i'm joined amongst the young, i'm joined now sir michael fabricant. now by sir michael fabricant. sir michael, you very sir michael, thank you very much. you the much. great to have you on the show. i say you, show. can i just say to you, sir? no, no, no. >> no, no, no, no. >> no, no, no, no. >> also, i didn't like the >> and also, i didn't like the fact you said among young, fact you said among the young, but we have michael fabricant. >> i can only apologise. i didn't mean that. i never would. of course, you've held yourself together shall we together nicely now. so shall we leave the echr ? leave the echr? >> if the echr stop the supreme court from saying yes, we can take people out to rwanda and we can't get an exemption in sweden and 1 or 2 other countries have got exemptions for certain things. so lots of ifs . if you things. so lots of ifs. if you can't get any of that. yes yes. the united kingdom supreme court should be the supreme court. it isn't supreme if the echr can overrule it. >> well, you've got on your lapel there. it's the union flag. it's the flag of ukraine.

what do you say to people who will say, if we're out in the echr, like russia and echr, we're just like russia and belarus ? echr, we're just like russia and belirus ? say we help set up >> i would say we help set up the echr as did the united states. but, you know what the united states said , we don't united states said, we don't need a court in strasbourg to tell us how to be decent human beings. and i would say, you know what? britain doesn't need to have lessons from french and germans who did some pretty awful things in the second world war. yes, the french, too. and, you know , this country can be you know, this country can be proud of its human rights record . yes, we should support the echr. . yes, we should support the echr . we should help fund them . echr. we should help fund them. okay. but to be told by the echr that our supreme court is wrong . yeah. no, that's what it was never set up for. why don't conservative party members get a vote on it ? conservative party members get a vote on it? oh, i think because we don't do referendums in this country . country. >> internal one, though, isn't it, when it's shaped just just government policy that could be.

>> well, you could say that about everything . about everything. >> leaders like that >> you let leaders like that sometimes one, it must sometimes not this one, it must be said. >> let's have a let's have >> well, let's have a let's have a of a referendum on the future of hs2. would solve it pretty quickly. >> yeah, there are a few key issues. i that would be issues. i think that it would be worthwhile referendum issues. i think that it would be wo one hile referendum issues. i think that it would be wo one ofe referendum issues. i think that it would be wo one ofe i'm referendum issues. i think that it would be wo one ofe i'm refere to jm issues. i think that it would be wo one ofe i'm refere to be on one of them. i'm going to be talking about a bit later on about about net zero as well, actually. to actually. but when it comes to pulling echr, taking pulling out the echr, taking back borders, back control of our borders, getting rwanda back control of our borders, getthe rwanda back control of our borders, getthe ground, rwanda back control of our borders, getthe ground, you rwanda back control of our borders, getthe ground, you know, /anda back control of our borders, getthe ground, you know, rishi off the ground, you know, rishi sunak going to be talking sunak is going to be talking in this me this one of the rooms behind me here , believe is. here tomorrow, i believe it is. i you want to talk i mean, do you want to talk about that? do you want him to say that? because othennise you're just you're just plodding along to along and the boats continue to come? i totally agree with >> yeah, i totally agree with you. and i'd say to you. and i'd also say this to rishi watches you. and i'd also say this to risi news, watches you. and i'd also say this to risi news, i watches you. and i'd also say this to risinews, i knowwatches you. and i'd also say this to risinews, i know heches you. and i'd also say this to risinews, i know he does gb news, which i know he does rishi's instincts are great. rishi's instincts are great. rishi's instincts are really sound and a lot of conservative members would go with his instincts. he has got to stop listening to advisors , stop listening to advisors, stop reading the autocue and say what he really believes . he really believes. >> i mean, it's the opposite of

what my producers want me to do, which is the autocue more and stop going off piece. so there which is the autocue more and sto go.)ing off piece. so there which is the autocue more and sto go. but off piece. so there which is the autocue more and sto go. but iff piece. so there which is the autocue more and sto go. but i was ace. so there which is the autocue more and sto go. but i was at�*. so there which is the autocue more and sto go. but i was at�*. stevente we go. but i was at an event last night. priti patel was there. lord cruddas was there major donor. what he said major party donor. what he said in of everyone was that in front of everyone was that people should stop donating to the party because the conservative party because he's disengaged with its grass roots. you agree with that? roots. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't agree with that . >> no, i don't agree with that. a that they a i don't agree that they shouldn't giving shouldn't carry on giving money, and agree that it's and i don't agree that it's disengaged from its grass roots. but do think that the but i do think that the conservative party , like the conservative party, like the labour party, actually sometimes gets just a little bit too tangled up in its own management structures . as i say, rishi is structures. as i say, rishi is the leader. if he goes for his instincts, we'll get there. >> if he goes to his instincts and i believe that you're right in what you say there, which is i rishi sunak goes with i think if rishi sunak goes with his more his instincts, he will be more in the in line with what the conservative party base wants. so go. conservative party base wants. so and go. conservative party base wants. so and whatgo. conservative party base wants. so and what is. conservative party base wants. so and what is right the uk >> and what is right for the uk to, view now , the final to, in your view now, the final question should nigel farage become a member of the conservative party again? >> be allowed to?

>> should he be allowed to? i think we should go on our hands and knees and beg him and i think we should award him with a knighthood, which he should have had years ago. >> and i think that the way the conservative party, well, they would argue that the way nigel farage has treated the conservative party. so it's probably six of one and a half a dozen of the other. but yes, listen , i was here when nigel listen, i was here when nigel farage walked into the place about 2 or 3 hours ago. everyone was saying, what's happening is, rishi, because everyone was rushing fonnard . security men. rushing fonnard. security men. it was nigel farage arriving. we love him. listen, we would still be in the european union if it hadn't been for nigel farage for saying, in effect, the referendum on david cameron. so yes. >> so you would you would let nigel farage back in the institute? i would invite him back into the conservative party. strong stuff . very strong party. strong stuff. very strong stuff. sir michael , thank you

stuff. sir michael, thank you very much. always a pleasure. great to have you on. patrick. i'll be seeing you again tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabncant tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabricant loads tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabri(still loads tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabri(still to loads tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabri(still to come loads tomorrow, i think, sir michael fabri(still to come between more still to come between now and sunak has been and 4:00, rishi sunak has been criticised watering down the criticised for watering down the government's net zero target, criticised most of the criticised by some most of the legacy media i think. and anyway , i'm going speak to a tory , i'm going to speak to a tory mp won mp, of course, who won a by—election after a backlash against london's controversial ulez scheme that i think was a watershed moment and something that will play heavily at the next election. but right now it's your headlines with ray allison . thanks, patrick. allison. thanks, patrick. >> it's 332. our top stories a government source has told gb news that no decisions have been taken on hs2. it's after unconfirmed reports that the manchester leg of the rail project has been axed . there's project has been axed. there's been increased speculation about the rail project's future, with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs

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it . it. >> let's take a look at today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.21, two, $3 and ,1.1548. price of gold . £1,508.93 per ounce and of gold. £1,508.93 per ounce and the ftse 100 at 7524 points. dereck rick bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> this conference is less than a fortnight since rishi sunak watered down the government's net zero targets over the weekend , he unveiled measures weekend, he unveiled measures that, in his words , will slam that, in his words, will slam the brakes on the war on motorists. so the tories candidate for london mayor susan hall, has also promised to scrap sadiq khan's controversial ulez scheme. and let's be honest, ulez and net zero will have a massive role to play at at the next general election . for a

next general election. for a variety of different reasons. it taps into how much do you care about the environment? it also, crucially taps into how much do you care about the money in your pocket? joined now by pocket? and i'm joined now by the newest mp, steve the tories newest mp, steve tuckwell. he won boris johnson's old seat of uxbridge and south ruislip on the outskirts of london in what was widely seen as a protest vote against the ulez expansion . i'm not sure how ulez expansion. i'm not sure how much you'll appreciate that. i'm sure you were also deeply popular, but steve joins popular, steve. but steve joins me good be so me now. good to be here. so steve, you fresh into steve, you are fresh into parliament. this issue now of ulez and net zero is the answer to rishi sunak staring him in the face, which to go even the face, which is to go even further on zero. further on net zero. >> well, you know, >> well, i think you know, you've just to look at the you've just got to look at the uxbndge uxbridge by—election and the constituents in my patch you know were very clear about their message that wanted me to message that they wanted me to send to sadiq khan, which an send to sadiq khan, which was an absolute ulez absolute opposition to ulez expansion mean he completely ignored constituents and ignored those constituents and he's gone ahead with anyway . he's gone ahead with it anyway. you know, as we know, ulez wasn't environmental policy. wasn't an environmental policy. >> a tax grab, you >> it was a tax grab, you know, for failings of tfl finance,

for his failings of tfl finance, personally, that personally, don't believe that there's any environmental benefit because benefit to ulez because obviously push obviously some people will push back and will say, back on that and they will say, well, cleaner air, well, look, it's cleaner air, it's going to save lives. >> it's better for kids. >> it's better for our kids. >> it's better for our kids. >> reading >> yeah, but i'm reading the reports mayor published reports that the mayor published himself, which demonstrated a negligible air negligible impact in in air quality, . and we can quality, improved. and we can also own forecasts which also see his own forecasts which suggest that hillingdon , part of suggest that hillingdon, part of my with heathrow my constituency with heathrow airport in its boundaries as well, would the second best well, would have the second best air london by air quality in london by the year you know, outer year 2025. so you know, outer london completely different london is completely different to inner london for air quality. and was no need to expand and there was no need to expand ulez hammer people ulez and hammer the good people of rice . of uxbridge and south rice. >> here we are at >> okay, so here we are at conservative conference. >> okay, so here we are at conse do tive conference. >> okay, so here we are at conse do you conference. >> okay, so here we are at conse do you want conference. >> okay, so here we are at conse do you want rishi trence. >> okay, so here we are at conse do you want rishi sunak to what do you want rishi sunak to say about things like net zero, about things like ulez, dare i say, even , i don't know, 20 mile say, even, i don't know, 20 mile an hour speed limits and all of this stuff, you know, do you want him to come out stronger? did far enough when he was did he go far enough when he was saying delay saying he's going to delay things? well, he certainly came out he said, out and he's and as he said, he's put brakes on the war he's put the brakes on the war on motorists. >> i completely agree with on motorists. >> you completely agree with on motorists. >> you know, etely agree with on motorists. >> you know, there's;ree with on motorists. >> you know, there's far with on motorists. >> you know, there's far too.h that. you know, there's far too much, of much, you know, hammering of motorists and

motorists in outer london and certainly motorists in outer london and cert know, are totally against that. >> got e.- that. >> got that's soft >> we've got a mayor that's soft on but he's he's on on crime, but he's he's heavy on motorists. on crime, but he's he's heavy on motorisknow , hard on motorists. >> you know, hard on motorists. and make sure that and we need to make sure that we've got the right policies in place. >> rishi sunak should scrap >> rishi sunak should he scrap net no. net zero altogether? no. >> you know, we're >> and i think you know, we're still towards net zero still heading towards net zero as government policy, but we as a government policy, but we need doing need to be doing it in a measured way taking people measured way and taking people with the with us. we saw in the by—election that, you know, people were it's too fast, too quick . you know, they nine quick. you know, they had nine months to ulez. and it months notice to ulez. and it wasn't in in in his initial manifesto either. you know, the expansion of ulez, you know into inner london and the south circular north circular was circular and north circular was included the manifesto included in the manifesto and it did of notice did have a lot of notice included as well. included with it as well. >> forgive me for but when >> forgive me for this, but when you were elected, there were some i'm going to say, relatively uncomfortable shots of you and rishi sunak. >> do you like him ? >> do you like him? >> do you like him? >> i think he's a great prime minister. >> we're to going hear from him tomorrow. we've certainly heard some past some announcements over the past couple . uh, you know, couple of days. uh, you know, we've issues substance. we've got issues of substance. and, uxbridge and, you know, the uxbridge by—election of by—election was an issue of substance of

substance that people of uxbndge substance that people of uxbridge and south ruislip turned conservatives turned to the conservatives rishi winning election. >> i think, you know, it was the conservatives that won the election. >> you know, we campaigned an >> you know, we campaigned on an issue it wasn't issue of substance. it wasn't just campaigned on just ulez, but we campaigned on retaining we retaining our hospital. we campaigned our campaigned on retaining our police station, and we campaigned on myself being a, you hyperlocal candidate you know, a hyperlocal candidate as okay. right. so final one to >> okay. right. so final one to you now then, terms vote you now then, in terms of vote winners , that was a very vivid winners, that was a very vivid demonstration of what happened in uxbridge and ruislip . there in uxbridge and ruislip. there have being a vote winner , i have that being a vote winner, i think is reasonable to expect that the same that that would play the same way if the that that would play the same way issue if the that that would play the same way issue came if the that that would play the same way issue came up. if the that that would play the same way issue came up. right.) that that would play the same way issue came up. right. so do same issue came up. right. so do you rishi sunak says you think if rishi sunak says is, i will scrap all ulez schemes right across the uk , schemes right across the uk, stop them from ever coming into existence? the that he would win big in places. do you want him existence? the that he would win big inthat?>s. do you want him to do that? >> well, he's already said that to do that? >> vgoing e's already said that to do that? >> vgoing e's championiid that to do that? >> 14 going e's champion the hat he's going to champion the motorist. know, he motorist. you know, he is looking carefully these looking very carefully at these 20 an zones, which is, 20 mile an hour zones, which is, you across wales is you know, across wales is hammering motorists hammering the motorists in wales. talked wales. he's also talked about, you curtailing local you know, curtailing local councils their in their councils in their in their desperation expand , you know, desperation to expand, you know, ltns as well. >> he's already he's already

>> so he's already he's already said that he was on the side and will champion in motorists going fonnard. he's side drivers. >> look, thank you very >> he says, look, thank you very much. you much. fantastic to have you on the show. really congratulations much. fantastic to have you on thewell. /. really congratulations much. fantastic to have you on thewell. /. reallytheigratulations as well. that is the conservatives newest mp steve tuckwell , of course, one boris tuckwell, of course, one boris johnson's uxbridge tuckwell, of course, one boris johnsouth uxbridge tuckwell, of course, one boris johnsouth ruislip. uxbridge tuckwell, of course, one boris johnsouth ruislip. some)ridge tuckwell, of course, one boris johnsouth ruislip. some setge and south ruislip. some set against the odds. he knew he was going all the time, but going to win all the time, but there we go. joining me now, though, is jim dale, who's a senior at british. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere at british. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere you at british. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere you are, at british. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere you are, you'll'itish. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere you are, you'll be h. though, is jim dale, who's a seniwhere you are, you'll be on say where you are, you'll be on camera, senior meteorologist at british weather and british weather services and friend of the show. jim, thank you very much . now, friend of the show. jim, thank you very much. now, i'm friend of the show. jim, thank you very much . now, i'm aware you very much. now, i'm aware that can't hear that you two can't hear each other. don't so. other. i don't think so. i'm just going keep to jim. just going to keep it to jim. and but jim, think and i actually. butjim, i think you might have heard what was said there, which said a little bit there, which was that he doesn't think that ulez was actually an environmental at all. and environmental policy at all. and actually, rishi sunak wants actually, if rishi sunak wants to get votes, he should to get more votes, he should scrap going to get more votes, he should scrap full going to get more votes, he should scrap full time going to get more votes, he should scrap full time . going fonnard full time. >> i think ulez is a little bit of a red herring, to be honest with you. >> as far as the environment is concerned . concerned. >> yeah, there's element >> yeah, there's an element of that. picture is, that. but the bigger picture is, is and net zero is climate change and net zero ulez is just a very small part

of that. i think that is very clear and by the way, won steve his seat. congratulations, steve. you know you can't hear me. you scraped home because you managed to reduce your majority of the tory majority from roughly 8000 to 400. i don't really call that a victory in in in a seat such as uxbridge, which is right next door to where i am at the moment in high wycombe. we've got a conservative mp, steve baker, who's a climate denier, stunning against a emma reynolds, the labour candidate. against a emma reynolds, the labour candidate . and i'd just labour candidate. and i'd just like to say that that that will be a fierce fight in my in my particular seat . particular seat. >> okay. a couple of couple of things there then. jim, stay where you are. we were going to let you get going, but i'm going to have to you to respond to to have to get you to respond to this, steve, says this, i'm afraid, steve, he says that it wasn't a particularly good you good victory for you. you scraped and scraped home, right? and actually, a actually, this isn't a particularly strong sign that actually, this isn't a particuithereitrong sign that actually, this isn't a particuithere care] sign that actually, this isn't a particuithere care aboutthat actually, this isn't a particuithere care about things people there care about things like getting getting rid of ulez i >> well, i completely disagree . >> well, i completely disagree. you know, i wasn't expected to win . all polls, all pundits, all

win. all polls, all pundits, all the media was expecting me to lose by a landslide. you know , lose by a landslide. you know, and again, i can only quote the many thousands of doors that myself and team knocked on myself and my team knocked on dunng myself and my team knocked on during this during the by—election the by—election campaign. and the universal and frustration universal anger and frustration to was there loud and proud. >> okay. all right. thank you very much, jim. i'm going to bnng very much, jim. i'm going to bring you back in now. so there you go. i mean, is, you go. i mean, the fact is, jim, look, might be unpopular jim, look, it might be unpopular for this jim, look, it might be unpopular fo a this jim, look, it might be unpopular fo a massive this this jim, look, it might be unpopular fo a massive this your this jim, look, it might be unpopular fo a massive this your life, .his is a massive this is your life, isn't it? the climate, weather, meteorology. and i get that. isn't it? the climate, weather, meteyou ogy. and i get that. isn't it? the climate, weather, mete you ogy. ar unfortunately isn't it? the climate, weather, meteyou ogy. arunfortunately , a but, you know, unfortunately, a lot of the public just aren't anywhere near as bothered about it and we are in the it as you are. and we are in the business of winning elections . business of winning elections. >> there was a little poll i've mentioned to this previously that came out of the local elections, which actually suggested on the returns that some nearly 70% of people were in favour of net zero and only 20, again . so look, certain 20, again. so look, certain things are happening with the climate. we saw them in new york a couple of three days ago. we saw it libya, saw it in in saw it in libya, we saw it in in other parts of the world various

times. we're seeing it this week . wait until wait until saturday, sunday, monday . you're saturday, sunday, monday. you're going to see you wouldn't have a referendum on it, though, jim, would you? >> have you changed on that, jim? | >> have you changed on that, jim? i mean, would you would you have a referendum? come on? would referendum on would you have a referendum on ulez or net zero anywhere, anywhere in the country ? would anywhere in the country? would you would have a referendum you would you have a referendum on two things. you would you have a referendum on don'tvo things. you would you have a referendum on don't think 1gs. you would you have a referendum on don't think ulez will ever >> i don't think ulez will ever come as far come into it as far as a referendum is concerned, it's not a big enough to be not a big enough subject to be frank and i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.itk and i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, and i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, i and i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, i thinklnd i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, i think it:i i think even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, i think it wolildik even not a big enough subject to be fr.it was, i think it would beven if it was, i think it would be won i don't think won hands down. i don't think people pollution any people enjoy pollution in any shape form. talking shape or form. if we're talking about war against motorists. well, the war that's well, what about the war that's being played out by the being being played out by the conservative party against pedestrians and the poor, basically, what basically, because that's what that's about as as net zero that's about as far as net zero is concerned. very is concerned. i'd be very comfortable referendum comfortable with the referendum in it ever happened, in terms of if it ever happened, because think it would be won because i think it would be won hands down. are hands down. people are not stupid. the climate stupid. they can see the climate is changing it's been is changing and it's been rebuffed and in reverse by rebuffed and in reverse gear by by this conservative government i >> okay, jim, it's strong stuff. i'm going to let steve just come

back to that. two things, right? firstly jim says that if there was a referendum on ulez and net zero, thinks that his side zero, he thinks that his side would right at the second would win. right at the second thing is he said the conservatives talk a lot about having a war a war on having a war on a war on motorists, the war against motorists. out , he motorists. sorting that out, he says. the war on says. what about the war on pedestrians well pedestrians and the poor? well so the first point about a referendum ulez i ran a referendum ulez i ran a referendum on ulez and won . i referendum on ulez and won. i >> so that's that's the first point. and in terms of, you know, pedestrian is, yeah, we need to be making sure that there is, there's good transport planning policies in place, you know, keep know, and that we keep pedestrians and vehicles separate. keep separate. but we can't just keep having outer separate. but we can't just keep havingouter london and across across outer london and across the country, as we've seen in london and we've seen in other parts well. parts of the country as well. >> look, thank >> all right. well, look, thank you much. i will you very, very much. i will finally from finally now release you from that chair. been here finally now release you from that enough been here finally now release you from that enough , been here finally now release you from that enough , i been here finally now release you from that enough , i thinkn here finally now release you from that enough , i think probably finally now release you from that erthan| , i think probably finally now release you from that erthan you've1k probably finally now release you from that erthan you've actuallybly finally now release you from that erthan you've actually been finally now release you from the mp than you've actually been finally now release you from the mp .han you've actually been finally now release you from the mp . stevenu've actually been finally now release you from the mp . steve tuckwellally been finally now release you from the mp . steve tuckwell there. sen an mp. steve tuckwell there. who's new we who's the tories? new mp. and we had as well. jim thank who's the tories? new mp. and we had very as well. jim thank who's the tories? new mp. and we had very muchs well. jim thank who's the tories? new mp. and we had very much forell. jim thank who's the tories? new mp. and we had very much for coming thank who's the tories? new mp. and we had very much for coming on. |k you very much for coming on. meteorologist friend of the show as always his corner as well always fights his corner very, very vehemently, doesn't he? been reported

he? right. so it's been reported and i believe that the north northern leg of hs2 will all be scrapped. but a senior government source has now come out and said, no, no decision's been made yet. who do you believe ? okay. patrick christys believe? okay. patrick christys here on gb news, we are britain's news

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>> you are watching or listening to christys on gb to me. patrick christys on gb news live here in manchester. more now on the future of hs2 in about 20 minutes. before my show started , i had a running order. started, i had a running order. we had it all best laid plans and all that because got and all that because it got pred and all that because it got ripped up when announced, oh, ripped up when it announced, oh, hang could we hang on a minute, could we have a of a leg of hs2 ? hang on a minute, could we have a ofaleg of hs2?a a scrapping of a leg of hs2? a senior government source has now told gb news that no decision has been made about whether the northern leg of that railway line will be scrapped. but after a speculation , it's been a week of speculation, it's been reported, , insiders reported, though, insiders sources say the rishi sunak has decided to ditch the high speed rail link between manchester and birmingham. a number 10 spokesperson says those reports are inaccurate, but let me tell you, there are a heck of a lot of rumblings at the of rumblings here at the conservative party conference. i am joined by philip davies, who is mp for shipley in is the tory mp for shipley in yorkshire of course a friend yorkshire and of course a friend of parish. and charlie of this parish. and charlie rowley who is a former rowley as well, who is a former special to the special adviser to the department for levelling up housing . is housing and communities. is michael gove. right? okay so i'll start with you , phil, what

i'll start with you, phil, what do you think? >> well, if it's true, if these rumours are true, then i'm massively favour of what the massively in favour of what the prime is going to do. prime minister is going to do. >> mean, the prime >> i mean, he's the prime minister is prepared minister that is prepared to say that no that the emperor's got no clothes. did it net zero. clothes. he did it on net zero. everyone knew that zero, everyone knew that net zero, the timetable ridiculous as timetable was ridiculous as everyone knew no one was prepared to say it until the prime minister along and prime minister came along and said now knows that said it. everyone now knows that hs2 complete white elephant hs2 is a complete white elephant wasting huge amount of money. wasting a huge amount of money. the going to be the bill's probably going to be about billion. about £180 billion. >> unaffordable , bill. >> and he's prepared to say this emperor's either. emperor's got no clothes either. >> i very much hope it's >> so i very much hope it's true. in the north, what we want is the money spent on transport infrastructure across the north. that's doesn't work that's the bit that doesn't work . the bit that work is . the bit that does work is going to we going from north to south. we don't need to spend £180 billion on a railway line to london. >> your old gaffer, michael gove, had tongue tied a gove, had his tongue tied a couple ago. he asked couple of days ago. he was asked about this then again yesterday. he shovels in he doesn't know. well shovels in the shovels the ground, shovels in the ground. the ground. ground. shovels in the ground. those on those things. no decision on what's well, you need what's going on. well, you need a than shovels get a bit more than shovels to get this need

this project going. you need a bit of heavyweight bit more sort of heavyweight machinery. but look, we've got to see. no decision has to wait and see. no decision has been made. that's obviously what number today. so if number 10 is saying today. so if there to be an there is going to be an announcement, there is going to be an arm pm'sement, there is going to be an arm pm's speech on wednesday the pm's speech on wednesday or whether some time after whether it's some time after that the fiscal event, that at the next fiscal event, then i ha i wish i wish i did. i think you do . but we've just got think you do. but we've just got to wait and see. but i think, you know, philip's you he's absolutely right that i personally, level personally, on a personal level , i would like to see better connectivity london connectivity between london to birmingham, connectivity between london to birmingiour, connectivity between london to birmingiour great but if connect our great cities. but if that's needed, this that's not what's needed, this project know project started in 2009. know many , many ago, and it is many, many years ago, and it is totally unfair to the uk taxpayer whether you live in the north or the to wake up north or the south to wake up month after month to headline after about after headline about the ballooning of a project ballooning costs of a project that simply , you know, it that is simply, you know, it needs better delivery. so if needs a better delivery. so if there is a case to say that hs2 in the north needs to be paused to east to to bring in the north needs to be paused to deliveryst to to bring in the north needs to be paused to delivery ,: to to bring in the north needs to be paused to delivery , what's to bring in the north needs to be paused to delivery , what's the bring in the north needs to be paused to delivery , what's the point that delivery, what's the point of gove doesn't of michael gove if this doesn't happen, there's happen, then? well, there's always there's always there's always there's always there's always there's a point . always there's always a point. there's always to having there's always a point to having michael stuff.

michael gove all of this stuff. where it? where is it? >> , well, this is part of >> well, well, this is part of the conversation. >> the whole the >> so the whole point of the conference is billed as taking the in the the long term decisions in the interests country. so the long term decisions in the in might country. so the long term decisions in the in might be country. so the long term decisions in the in might be the country. so the long term decisions in the in might be the casetry. so the long term decisions in the in might be the case that so it might be the case that taxpayers better spent taxpayers money is better spent on delivering projects and infrastructure up the infrastructure to level up the country north, country across the north, whether or west. but whether that's east or west. but we just have to and see we just have to wait and see because it be because i think it would be a project that people project that many people could still support. >> just say, because i'm >> can i just say, because i'm an patrick, and so i've been an old patrick, and so i've been in parliament for in parliament long enough for since thing of hs2 since the whole thing of hs2 first and when the last first started and when the last labour government actually they were the ones who brought fonnard idea of hs2, it was fonnard the idea of hs2, it was never to benefit the north. >> even said it was >> they never even said it was to the north. hs2 to the to benefit the north. hs2 to the whole of hs2 and it was whole point of hs2 and it was first envisaged was actually to stop the expansion heathrow stop the expansion of heathrow and to have a high speed line from heathrow leeds and from heathrow to leeds and manchester so that you could actually not have short haul flights heathrow and so you flights to heathrow and so you wouldn't have an extra runway at heathrow. >> it was nothing. >> it was nothing. >> never never even >> it was never they never even pretended the north. >> there's been a huge rewriting of it's become of history. it's become like a religion people like andy

religion for people like andy burnham, who's got no idea what on earth he's talking about. king north. he king of the north. well, so he claims. he's got he doesn't claims. but he's got he doesn't really speak for the north. he speaks himself. really speak for the north. he speand himself. really speak for the north. he speand hthingf. really speak for the north. he speand hthing is, look, just really speak for the north. he spearof hthing is, look, just really speak for the north. he spearof in.hing is, look, just really speak for the north. he spearof in.hing terms. k, just think of it in this terms. >> you've £180 billion >> if you've got £180 billion that's supposed benefit that's supposed to benefit cities like manchester, leeds, liverpool , cities like manchester, leeds, liverpool, birmingham, if you were say to all of those were to say to all of those mayors in those areas , here's mayors in those areas, here's £180 billion. yeah, of course . £180 billion. yeah, of course. >> what are the chances of all four of them saying, actually, do what, we're all four of them saying, actually, do here. what, we're all right here. >> everything's fine . >> everything's fine. >> everything's fine. >> so what we're going to is >> so what we're going to do is we're our we're going to pull all of our money build train line money and build a train line to london. can't think london. if they can't think of anything better to spend that on in north, train line anything better to spend that on in london.h, train line anything better to spend that on in london. they train line anything better to spend that on in london. they trairmake to london. they need to make way for can. for people who can. >> you still ahead with it. >> well, i think you've got to look at the costs. and i think, look, a case for it look, there is a case for it because undennay. because it's already undennay. and , you know, is there and i think, you know, is there going to be an additional cost to scrap the whole thing? what a total waste of money that might be. a to be. so there might be a case to just the thing . i mean, i just pursue the thing. i mean, i think for what worth, you think for what it's worth, you know, to get of know, we need to get rid of whoever's this whole whoever's mismanage this whole project and bring project from the start and bring

new in. more people new people in. like more people need talking that need to be talking about that side of it. okay. this is a monumental waste of money when you consider that your average man and woman out there. we've probably got more people paying higher had higher rate tax than we've had since would since arguably ever. i would imagine, country. imagine, in this country. now, if in return if someone fills in a tax return wrong, it's not long before hmrc are them . well, i'm sorry, are onto them. well, i'm sorry, but decide that you're going but you decide that you're going to hs2. could just to build hs2. you could just splash no splash billions around and no one seems mind. splash billions around and no onealso ns mind. splash billions around and no onealso part mind. splash billions around and no onealso part ofiind. though, in >> also part of this, though, in all fairness , and i've somebody all fairness, and i've somebody who's against right from who's been against it right from the is the the word go, but this is the cost democracy many respects. >> i mean, is about >> i mean, this is about building massive through building massive tunnels through the that was never the chilterns that was never envisaged start of the envisaged at the start of the process opposition process because local opposition to protect the southern landscape , by the way. landscape, by the way. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> absolutely . so that's a lot >> absolutely. so that's a lot of the costs has because of of the costs has been because of that, not because of anything else. >> i don't know . >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> well, i think the what's absolutely vital next few absolutely vital in the next few days next few hours days or the next few hours is that communication be that the communication has to be key. the case that key. so if it is the case that the leg from birmingham the northern leg from birmingham to is going be to manchester is going to be scrapped, to explain scrapped, you have to explain why. philip was why. and i think what philip was

saying is absolutely right, because be because that money could be better the because that money could be betterto the because that money could be betterto level the because that money could be betterto level up the because that money could be betterto level up this the because that money could be betterto level up this country) north to level up this country to deliver communities to deliver for communities that lent vote to the lent their vote to the conservative party in 2019 to regain support again at regain their support again at the which the next election, which we think next if think is next year. if you explain in terms, explain it in those terms, i think might support think people that might support hs2 in its full can get hs2 in its full length can get behind but it needs to be behind that, but it needs to be all comms. now the all about the comms. now the reason reason why we're reason why the reason why we're talking about it is because those scatty at those comms have been scatty at the not now. the moment are not long. now. final question would nigel farage nigel farage ever farage should nigel farage ever be allowed to rejoin the conservative party? >> i think anybody who wants to join the conservative party is a thinking about the right thing to do? >> yes , i would welcome nigel >> yes, i would welcome nigel farage into the would. >> of course i would. >> of course i would. >> yeah. he's a great politician. you know, and politician. and you know, and lots support him. politician. and you know, and lotswhy support him. politician. and you know, and lotswhy not? support him. >> why not? >> why not? >> interesting. he's a true conservative. >> well i ask >> interesting. well i ask because he's here and he'll be doing later. he's doing a show later. and he's been here. now, don't been making not here. now, don't worry, charlie. he's not here. all you all all right. there you go. all right, you. thank you right, both of you. thank you very much. lovely stuff. i've got way very much. lovely stuff. i've got next way very much. lovely stuff. i've got next hour. way very much. lovely stuff. i've got next hour. we way very much. lovely stuff. i've got next hour. we are way very much. lovely stuff. i've got next hour. we are goingay in the next hour. we are going to continuing to a to be continuing to talk a

little bit about we're little bit about hs2. we're going with the going to get to grips with the immigration is facing immigration issue that is facing britain. 25,000 channel migrants immigration issue that is facing britaiso 25,000 channel migrants immigration issue that is facing britaiso 25,(thischannel migrants immigration issue that is facing britaiso 25,(this year1el migrants immigration issue that is facing britaiso 25,(this year should rants immigration issue that is facing britaiso 25,(this year should we :s now. so far this year should we leave the and is it right leave the echr? and is it right to benefits of people if to take benefits of people if they're work shy? patrick christys gb news is afternoon . christys gb news is afternoon. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. bit of a north south split today. fairly dull the south. dull damp one in the south. something across something a bit brighter across scotland ireland. scotland and northern ireland. some rain developing some quite heavy rain developing though through evening though through the evening time over and eastern parts over central and eastern parts of england, particularly the east through east midlands up through lincolnshire and north norfolk could even see a few thunderstorms. we could see quite of heavy rain for a quite a lot of heavy rain for a time across parts of time overnight across parts of east anglia especially. it does all clearer skies all scoot away clearer skies will allow temperatures to drop down to single figures in the countryside across of countryside across parts of scotland, northern ireland, further south with a lot of cloud. it'll stay pretty warm overnight. a grey overnight. it's quite a grey start. then, of course, east anglia south—east but anglia in the south—east but that tend to drift that cloud should tend to drift away and then it'll be a case of sunshine and showers. most of the over north west the showers over north west england, western scotland, a few

for northern a for northern ireland. a sprinkling for wales, maybe south—west england catching a shower or two. but much of the midlands, southern eastern midlands, southern and eastern england most of england will be dry for most of the some sunny spells . the day with some sunny spells. a with a fresher feel, though, with a brisk particularly gusty brisk wind, particularly gusty across northern scotland and coming into western scotland . coming into western scotland. more rain through night more rain through tuesday night and into wednesday, and that could some problems. the could cause some problems. the rain starts to rain potentially starts to really later this week. really build up later this week. some of that rain on wednesday affecting parts of northern ireland, the north ireland, particularly the north coast england and wales . coast for england and wales. again, in the again, a few showers in the west, places dry and west, but many places dry and bright. around bright. temperatures around average for the time of year. there signs, particularly in there are signs, particularly in the south, that things will warm up later this week. bye for

>> hello. it's 4 pm, it's patrick christys. it's gb news. and as you can tell, i'm here in manchester at the conservative party conference. well, let me tell you , it's all going off. tell you, it's all going off. why well, nigel farage rocked up for his first conference since the mid 80s. he's been drawing the mid 80s. he's been drawing the crowds. he will join me on this show towards the end of the houn this show towards the end of the hour. tuned for that. hour. so stay tuned for that. jeremy and liz truss, it's jeremy hunt and liz truss, it's not out warfare, but not quite all out warfare, but it's that far off it. that's it's not that far off it. that's interesting. we're also, of course, going to be talking about hs2. i was stood over there an hour and ten there about an hour and ten minutes and we got the noise minutes ago and we got the noise that was scrapping the thing. that it was scrapping the thing. but told but now we're being told that's a rubbish. well, is a load of rubbish. well, what is it? who to believe, it? i'm not sure who to believe, but get to the bottom of

but we will get to the bottom of this and much more as well but we will get to the bottom of this arcourse, much more as well but we will get to the bottom of this arcourse, immigration. as well as, of course, immigration. 25,000 boats have crossed 25,000 small boats have crossed the channel far this year. the channel so far this year. patrick christys. gb news. yeah, look, there's absolutely loads on. i'm going to be joined by greg smith, conservative mp christopher hope , nigel farage christopher hope, nigel farage and a few others as well. but first it is, of course, your headunes first it is, of course, your headlines with polly middlehurst . patrick thank you. >> well, the top story this houn >> well, the top story this hour, a government source has told gb news that no decisions have taken on hs2 following have been taken on hs2 following reports that the manchester section of the line had been axed. it follows increased speculation about the rail project's future with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs . the due to spiralling costs. the chancellor, though, says it shouldn't cost ten times more to

build a railway in the uk than just across the channel in france . it's also in the news france. it's also in the news today . a second police force is today. a second police force is investing dating allegations against the comedian russell brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. they added it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation . it ongoing investigation. it follows an investigation by the sunday times and channel 4. russell brand denies all accusations against him . the accusations against him. the chancellor has announced plans to freeze the expansion of the civil service and reduce its numbers to pre—pandemic levels. dunng numbers to pre—pandemic levels. during his speech at the conservative party conference in manchester, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year. meanwhile, the chancellor announced tougher benefit sanctions on those who are capable of working but choose to , not and a national choose to, not and a national living wage rise to £11 an hour.

we promised in our manifesto to raise the national living wage to two thirds of median income , to two thirds of median income, ending low pay in this country. >> at the moment, it's £10.42 an hour and we're waiting for the low pay commission to tell us next year's recommendation . but next year's recommendation. but i confirm today, whatever that recommendation, we'll increase the national living wage to at least £11 an hour next year . least £11 an hour next year. that's a pay rise for two 2 million workers. jeremy hunt, will the former prime minister liz truss has called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax back . to 19% in his next tax back. to 19% in his next autumn statement . autumn statement. >> speaking at a fringe rally, the former prime minister urged the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. her comments come after jeremy hunt told gb news no substantial tax cuts are possible this year. ms truss said businesses are now choosing not to locate in the uk and they shouldn't be treated

like a cash cow to be milked. >> we need to unleash business across britain . we need people across britain. we need people to want to invest in our country. we need businesses to be able to expand, to grow , to be able to expand, to grow, to create new jobs, to create new ideas. create new jobs, to create new ideas . that's why i'm calling ideas. that's why i'm calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put corporation tax back down to 19. and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better. let's bring you some news from the united states now , where the former states now, where the former president donald trump, has arrived at a court in new york. >> he is due to stand trial in a civil fraud case. a warning for viewers. the following contains some flashing imagery. if you're watching on television. the former president accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure preferential loan and insurance terms is speaking outside the courtroom. mr trump claimed he was the victim . claimed he was the victim. >> it was never a problem. everything was perfect. there

was no crime . the crime is was no crime. the crime is against me because we have a corrupt system . corrupt system. >> attorney but we have a corrupt attorney general all and it all comes down from the doj that totally coordinated this in washington because i'm leading . washington because i'm leading. >> i'm the leading candidate. i'm leading biden by ten points. >> trump speaking there. now, here in the uk , using mobile here in the uk, using mobile phones, in schools should be banned, according to the education secretary, gillian keegan says the move would improve the overall behaviour and education of state school students and cut down on online bullying . new guidance from the bullying. new guidance from the department for education will back headteachers in banning them throughout the school day, including at break times , junior including at break times, junior doctors and consultants in england have begun a three day walkout. that's the longest ever penod walkout. that's the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing their last joint strike

in september led to almost 130,000 appointments, having to be rescheduled . and the be rescheduled. and the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients. but these doctors told us why they've gone on strike until and unless there is a credible pay offer , it will mean credible pay offer, it will mean that doctors of all grades, but especially senior doctors, will continue to leave the country for other places. >> and the nhs will continue to suffer. >> we are not planning for the future. there is going to be no staffing in the nhs, there's going to no nhs future going to be no nhs in the future if for our pay. if we don't fight for our pay. so is really necessarily a so this is really necessarily a fight about individual consultant we're consultant papers say we're actually fighting the very actually fighting for the very future the nhs. that's latest future of the nhs. that's latest news headlines. >> you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. this britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> while there is only one place

to start and that's of course is the future of hs2. but yes , the future of hs2. but yes, there's loads more on the agenda as well. we're going to be getting stuck into immigration. we're to be having a talk, we're going to be having a talk, of aren't we of course, as well, aren't we about there's a heck about net zero? there's a heck of on the agenda here. and of a lot on the agenda here. and fundamentally, of a lot on the agenda here. and fundamenta can actually the rishi sunak can actually win the next there is next general election, there is a sense not just here because next general election, there is a sen conservativezre because next general election, there is a sen conservative party cause are a conservative party conference, the conference, but amongst the polling you know polling as well, that you know what are getting bit what things are getting a bit closer they were and things what things are getting a bit closgetting they were and things what things are getting a bit closgetting closervere and things what things are getting a bit closgetting closer thanmd things what things are getting a bit closgetting closer than people gs are getting closer than people thought they might do. but a senior government source has told news now that no told gb news now that no decision about decision has been made about whether northern hs2 whether the northern leg of hs2 should be scrapped. after a week of speculation . an it's been of speculation. an it's been reported rishi sunak , reported that rishi sunak, though, has decided ditch the though, has decided to ditch the high link between high speed rail link between manchester and birmingham. a very confusing picture taking place, certainly mixed messages, but i am joined initially by our political editor, christopher hoh. christopher, thank you very much . it's great to have you on. much. it's great to have you on. what's roundup what's the political roundup before course, well, before we go to of course, well, where now, where we are right now, the government says last government says on my last whatsapp from them was saying these incorrect . these reports are incorrect. >> final decisions have been

>> no final decisions have been taken on phase two of hs2. that is what we're hearing the is not what we're hearing in the hall are from hall here. we are hearing from lots sources government lots of sources in government saying have decided saying that they have decided not ahead this link not to go ahead with this link between and between manchester and birmingham. birmingham that is denied. well, denied. they're saying, well, there's denial there's a non—denial denial saying no decision has been saying that no decision has been made. reports are made. the reports are inaccurate, saying what that inaccurate, not saying what that means. are reports here inaccurate, not saying what that mear now are reports here inaccurate, not saying what that mear now thatire reports here inaccurate, not saying what that mear now that around rts here inaccurate, not saying what that mear now that around 10 here inaccurate, not saying what that mearnow that around 10 billion right now that around 10 billion might freed up from by not might be freed up from by not going ahead with the hs2 link between manchester and birmingham other birmingham to spend on other northern in the northern rail projects in the northern rail projects in the north of england. that's what we think may come. it does fit rather with idea of a long rather with this idea of a long term decision for brighter term decision for a brighter future. pm is future. this is what the pm is talking at the moment. talking about at the moment. being brave and making big calls, though be calls, even though they might be unpopular, manchester. okay. well, yes, think >> okay. well, yes, i think where we now is actually where we are now is actually quite totemic isn't quite totemic really, isn't it? look, to going play a look, i'm just to going play a little because yesterday, little clip because yesterday, michael gove levelling up michael gove levelling up michael gove levelling up michael gove was asked by camilla tominey right here in this studio whether or not the northern leg of hs2 would be scrapped. and it's fair to say he did not give a definitive answer. a nswer. >> answer. >> i agree that we've been to

london centric in the past and that's why we have a long term plan for levelling up. so with lots of different. >> think that hs2 should >> so you think that hs2 should go manchester then? go to manchester then? >> levelling up >> well, i think levelling up involves doing many more things. >> your position on involves doing many more things. >> should our position on involves doing many more things. >> should it|r position on involves doing many more things. >> should it go osition on involves doing many more things. >> should it go to tion on manchester? >> well, i think we need to make sure we're getting absolute sure that we're getting absolute value sure that we're getting absolute val|oh, on. >> oh, come on. >> oh, come on. >> able to have >> you must be able to have an opinion whether it should go opinion on whether it should go to manchester i to manchester or not. i absolutely think most absolutely think the most important thing is making sure that level up, we take that when we level up, we take into all of the things into account all of the things that we need to do. so we've shifted arts council, but should it manchester and it go to manchester and development we're development funding? well, we're going should it not? going to have to. should it not? will should it to look will it should it have to look at conceivable pound that at every conceivable pound that we spend on transport in order to make sure that we get value for money? >> not an answer to the question whether it should go whether you think it should go to manchester. all right. >> joined by greg >> well, i'm joined now by greg smith, who's the mp for buckingham and is also a member of transport select of the transport select committee. greg what's going on? >> look , i really hope that the >> look, i really hope that the prime minister, the chancellor make the right decision and

scrap hs2 , not just the bit scrap hs2, not just the bit north of birmingham, but the whole got miles being >> i've got 19 miles of it being built through my constituency and actually working with a labour peer, tony barclay. he's worked out that we can get the overall loss down to still an eye—watering amount of money, but down to £8 billion. and my argument is, is it better to put our hands up, admit the mistake that hs2 should never have been given the green light in the first and lose that first place and lose that 8 billion, then spend more money after . after bad. >> another 100 billion, another 150 billion. where will this project end? >> why do you hate it so much? >> why do you hate it so much? >> i don't think we can afford it as a nation. >> i don't think it's what anyone is crying out for in the country. the ability to get to birmingham manchester 20 birmingham or manchester 20 minutes when talk to minutes faster. when i talk to my constituents, i talk to my constituents, when i talk to people my committee people with my select committee hat on, they want a regular commuter service to the nearest town or the to city where they are. be that in the north or the midlands or the south, they want to be able get seat on it.

to be able to get a seat on it. >> want wi mobile >> they want wi fi or a mobile signal that work on it so signal that will work on it so that can do work that that they can do some work that quite like toilet that doesn't quite like a toilet that doesn't resemble tent glastonbury. >> yeah , they don't have this >> yeah, they don't have this great clamour to get somewhere, but it's a handful of minutes faster on so long now hasn't it, that even if you pulled the plug on it, people would say it's a catastrophic waste money. on it, people would say it's a cat.chopper waste money. on it, people would say it's a cat.chopper waste rit'sey. on it, people would say it's a cat.chopper waste rit's meant, >> chopper your well it's meant, meant capacity meant meant to be about capacity , wasn't it? >> it's meant basically >> greg it's meant to basically have point to have a new line between point to point london to birmingham to manchester up the manchester and then free up the west to be west coast main line to be a stopping yeah. stopping service. yeah. >> the capacity argument crept in for and only after the in after for and only after the argument about speed was lost. >> and i'm sure absolutely confident that everyone that is a proponent of hs2 will come up with yet another reason why we should go ahead with it. >> but there's a reality we've got £400 billion worth of covid debt. we cannot afford it. >> yeah, okay, look , we are >> yeah, okay, look, we are where we are with hs2 in the future. massively mixed messaging here. you know , messaging here. you know, initially we were told. right. okay, that's it . it's been okay, that's it. it's been scrapped. been scrapped . now a

scrapped. been scrapped. now a big road back. i get the point that you've made. the other point, course, is, well, point, of course, is, well, look, be a waste look, it would be a waste of money. shame ever money. it's a shame it's ever got have we ended got to this. how have we ended up here? but whilst got up here? but whilst i've got you, i wanted to chat about a couple big topics couple of the other big topics that doing the that i think are doing the rounds at conference as well. the a big one. okay. so the echr is a big one. okay. so whether be out whether or not we should be out of , whether or not of the echr, whether or not we should it, what it should be staying in it, what it would britain's would mean for britain's reputation stage if reputation on the world stage if we pulled the echr where we pulled out of the echr where are you on that? >> look, we've got problem. >> we've passed two major bits of legislation in time of legislation in my time as an mp since 2019 to try and mp only since 2019 to try and combat illegal immigration. the smuggling of people across the engush smuggling of people across the english channel by the people traffickers, people that traffickers, the people that really villains and the really are the villains and the criminals in this bringing people in very dangerous conditions across the channel. yet it's still caught up in the courts. still can't actually courts. we still can't actually get with the rwanda get on with the rwanda partnership. can't on partnership. we can't get on with lot provisions in with a lot of the provisions in this and when the this legislation. and when the courts and the legal system of the blocker, the home secretary suella braverman is absolutely right to challenge. >> need to be in the echr

>> do we need to be in the echr or do we need to disapply the bits of it that are stopping us protecting our own borders from illegal protecting our own borders from ille okay protecting our own borders from illeokay , look, earlier on i went >> okay, look, earlier on i went out and just spoke to out and about and just spoke to a few people specifically actually some younger of a few people specifically acthonservativenunger of a few people specifically acthonservative party�* of a few people specifically acthonservative party�* are of the conservative party who are here their views how here to get their views on how they pulling out of they felt about pulling out of the echr. >> here's what to say . >> here's what they had to say. >> here's what they had to say. >> it would be the >> i think that it would be the wise thing to do for this country because a massive part of us leaving the european union is to take back control of our ability to dictate who gets into the country on our terms and i think the last major hurdle to thatis think the last major hurdle to that is the echr and the authority of the courts in strasbourg and in europe. >> i don't think the echr itself is the problem. >> the problem i think is the way it's translated into british law, such as the human rights act, the equality act. i think it just needs to be reformed and looked at again. the conservatives need come and looked at again. the cons at�*atives need come and looked at again. the cons at�*at again eed come and looked at again. the cons at�*at again and come and looked at again. the cons at�*at again and then ne and look at it again and then perhaps legislate it more properly in a more modern way so that it doesn't interfere with their agenda.

>> we need to be able to take back all our laws and back control of all our laws and one thing that the echr is doing is sorting out the boats issue and we need to sort that out. so we put our country first we should put our country first and we should leave the uk. >> yeah, okay. i mean , again, >> yeah, okay. i mean, again, not a massively diverse school of thought there, but i suppose that is what you get at conservative conference conservative party conference when the i when it comes to the echr. so i will say that did try. i did will say that i did try. i did try and mix it a little bit, try and mix it up a little bit, but go. people but there we go. so people basically you basically agreeing with you there. you say to there. what would you say to people that goes, if we pull out the makes us like the echr, it makes us like russia , we would no russia and belarus, we would no longer be talk people longer be able to talk to people on stage about human on the world stage about human rights. we would lose credibility. the same rights. we would lose credibilwere the same rights. we would lose credibilwere saying) same rights. we would lose credibilwere saying that1e rights. we would lose credibilwere saying that about people were saying that about brexit, that left the brexit, that if we left the european we'd lose european union, we'd lose credibility stage. credibility on the world stage. >> saying that about >> people were saying that about all sorts of things past. all sorts of things in the past. i'd say rest of the i'd actually say the rest of the world the united world looking at the united kingdom, can't kingdom, saying what? you can't even borders. even protect your own borders. i'd us a bigger i'd say that makes us a bigger laughing stock across the whole world. we just to take world. we just need to take whatever action is necessary. be that a notwith standing clause like bill cash suggest posted in the earlier legislation or full

withdrawal. is right that we withdrawal. it is right that we look at things. look at these things. >> got 25,000 >> i mean, we've got 25,000 people who've the people who've crossed the channel this year. i channel so far this year. i think 380 were intercepted today alone . it is think 380 were intercepted today alone. it is becoming an increasing issue. eight and a bit million pounds a day on hotels. it's hotels. you know, it's undeniably going to be at undeniably going to be huge at the doorstep. christopher how big is this in the big an issue is this in the conservative party in terms of the divide about the echr the divide then about the echr and what how do you see it going? i mean, priti patel last night and previously night was saying and previously we're no, wants kind we're saying, no, she wants kind of reform of the echr, but then we've got a home we've actually got a home secretary who . yeah, think we've actually got a home seshe ary who . yeah, think we've actually got a home seshe was who . yeah, think we've actually got a home seshe was reallylo . yeah, think we've actually got a home seshe was really strapped think we've actually got a home seshe was really strapped to :hink if she was really strapped to a lie detector test, i don't want to speak for her, but it's pretty obvious. i don't think she echr where she likes the echr so where is the party? the tory party? >> where right >> well, where we are right now is officially the table. is officially it's on the table. that's with torfaen echr. if you read the papers i read the sunday papers like i have say that have to yesterday say that language kemi language is used by kemi badenoch michael suella badenoch michael gove and suella braverman on the table. and that is that number 10 are is a line that number 10 are giving is for giving them, i.e. it is up for grabs right it's a live grabs right now. it's a live debate greg his whatsapp, grabs right now. it's a live debat(you greg his whatsapp, grabs right now. it's a live debat(you cang his whatsapp, grabs right now. it's a live debat(you can read his whatsapp, grabs right now. it's a live debat(you can read outaihatsapp, grabs right now. it's a live debat(you can read outaityoqup, which you can read out if you want to your whatsapp

want to on your whatsapp and also they are also within the party. they are keen this debate again. keen to have this debate again. it was mooted by david cameron in 2010. theresa may told told us in 2017 to be out by 2020. it's out there as an idea. it's the next stage of the brexit idea of sovereignty, giving sovereignty back to the supreme court, and can't have this court, and you can't have this row strasbourg. row with strasbourg. >> mentioned saying >> you mentioned whatsapp saying you famous for the you are world famous for the quality your whatsapp. okay, quality of your whatsapp. okay, now want to you because now i want to ask you because the topic that we're going on now i want to ask you because the to nextlat we're going on now i want to ask you because the to next is we're going on now i want to ask you because the to next is about going on now i want to ask you because the to next is about gcaboutl about next is about is about taxes. truss taxes. it's about liz truss versus hunt . what's been versus jeremy hunt. what's been said to you? we're going to play a shortly. but a clip of liz truss shortly. but what's said the what's been said to you, the whispers in your in your phone at this conference, what has happened the liz truss happened here with the liz truss intervention happened here with the liz truss interventi a] happened here with the liz truss interventia former happened here with the liz truss interventi a former leader, happened here with the liz truss interventia former leader, of >> she's a former leader, of course former prime minister, >> she's a former leader, of courtimeormer prime minister, >> she's a former leader, of courtime lastzr prime minister, >> she's a former leader, of courtime last year,ne minister, >> she's a former leader, of courtime last year, normallyer, >> she's a former leader, of courtime last year, normally a this time last year, normally a liz truss is not around the conference for a long period . conference for a long period. they they go and write a memoir. they they go and write a memoir. they witness they do charity work. witness david even boris david cameron even boris johnson, not here. theresa johnson, he's not here. theresa may instead, she's back here measuring . just before i measuring her bar. just before i got here, she's very jolly and she surrounded by people. she ever surrounded by people. and really big thing

and she had a really big thing to about tax. and she had a really big thing to okay,out tax. and she had a really big thing to okay, yeah,(. and she had a really big thing to okay, yeah, i think we've got >> okay, yeah, i think we've got a that we can a liz truss clip that we can play a liz truss clip that we can play right now , which is play to you right now, which is her talking about tax . her talking about tax. >> so let's start with axing the tax. we need to unleash business across britain . we need people across britain. we need people to want to invest in our country. we need businesses to be able to expand to grow, to create new jobs, to create new ideas. create new jobs, to create new ideas . and that's why i'm ideas. and that's why i'm calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put corporation back tax back down to 19. and frankly , if we can to 19. and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better . greg get it lower, the better. greg i've got to put you on the spot where she right all along . where she right all along. >> look, i'm a low tax conservative. >> i want to see the tax burden fall. >> i've signed the pledge that money many conservative mps have signed over the weekend to say we cannot let the tax burden increase . increase. >> can i just interrupt at that point? i actually think point? because i actually think that point. that is a really vital point. and it necessarily

and i don't think it necessarily got much as maybe it got as much coverage as maybe it could . so what is could have done. so what is that, what, 50 mps? >> it's a very simple pledge that nobody's proud that that says nobody's proud that we've got 75 year high in the we've got a 75 year high in the tax burden in the united kingdom . we cannot possibly comprehend increasing that further. i'd actually say that's quite a moderate pledge. that's that's not that's not rocket science. that's not some big poster board pledge for the head of the next election. it's a very modest look. we can't let the tax burden increase . there is still burden increase. there is still the challenges around inflation. there is still the whopping challenge of paying off the 400 billion that the treasury borrowed to pay for furlough and the business grants and everything pandemic. the business grants and everideally pandemic. the business grants and everideally , pandemic. the business grants and everideally , we pandemic. the business grants and everideally , we need pandemic. the business grants and everideally , we need ajandemic. the business grants and everideally , we need a lowernic. the business grants and everideally , we need a lower tax but ideally, we need a lower tax economy certainly to get businesses investing and growing. >> are you saying, greg, there that if the budget came along, which would increase the tax burden, would vote it down? burden, you would vote it down? >> the that's the pledge, >> that's the that's the pledge, the no? >> that's the that's the pledge, the you no? >> that's the that's the pledge, the you would . >> that's the that's the pledge, theyou would . that's deal >> you would. that's a big deal . and that shows the importance of dealing with tax in this party has gone up from 31% of gdp 34. but it's a big

gdp to 34. but it's a big increase . increase. >> it's massive increase. and >> it's a massive increase. and i anybody in the i don't think anybody in the conservative wants to see conservative party wants to see the tax burden that that sort of high that share of gdp. there are other challenges around inflation, paying off inflation, around paying off national debt, but actually what i most of us understand i think most of us understand and want to see is that the way that you challenge that, the way that you challenge that, the way that get more money into the that you get more money into the treasury coffers is through reducing burden . reducing the tax burden. >> this trust helps you, helps your case. yes. because she also signed the letter you signed. she signed the same pledge is talking that way over there in the midland hotel . helpful to the midland hotel. helpful to rishi sunak here. so i think conferences about a debate there. >> maybe not a bigger debating arena as they once were, certainly not compared to other parties, actually. but if we can't have this discussion, if we can't, as backbench members of parliament, as the party membership that hear many hardworking councillors and msps and members of the welsh assembly and everybody are selected to all manner of office in this country, can't have

their say, can't put that view fonnard . and that's a problem. fonnard. and that's a problem. >> case that she's >> is it the case that she's more the more in touch with the grassroots your your more in touch with the grasisoots your your more in touch with the grasis because your your more in touch with the grasis because they' your more in touch with the grasis because they voted your more in touch with the grasis because they voted for|r her. >> they didn't vote for her. rishi sunak look, that's a statement of fact, chris, that that summer . that happened last summer. >> rishi is the prime minister now think we to now and i think we do have to stick with rishi. do have stick with rishi. we do have to get but need to get behind him, but we need to have debate that have that policy debate that moves fonnard. rishi has moves things fonnard. rishi has take a massive step fonnard in terms of the net zero agenda on the plan for motorists. now we need to get that that hat trick completed actually start to completed and actually start to tackle this 75 year high in the tax burden. >> right. i'm going to ring the bell here. so you very bell here. so thank you very much. cracking to much. it's a cracking way to kick particular obe kick start this particular obe get this story on get loads more on this story on our website. greg smith there, mp very mp for buckingham and our very own hope , own as well christopher hope, our editor who got our political editor who got stuck in a bit there didn't he? more this on our website more on this on our website gbnews.com more on this on our website gb news.com fastest gb news.com is the fastest growing news in growing national news website in the best the country. it's got the best analysis, opinion the analysis, big opinion all the latest breaking news. but earlier than scheduled earlier than scheduled. nigel farage is at the tory party conference for

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ground, for what it's worth now. one of rishi sunak's famous five pledges boats . so pledges is to stop the boats. so it's perhaps for the it's perhaps unfortunate for the prime we've prime minister that we've reached landmark yes, reached a landmark today. yes, gb reveal 25,000 gb news can reveal 25,000 migrants have crossed the channel small this channel in small boats this yean channel in small boats this year. the big noise at this conference is about stopping the boats. it's about getting out the it's about tax , it's the echr. it's about tax, it's about hs2. but the biggest noise of all is sitting right next to me now is gb news. presenter it is, of course, nigel farage. at your first conference since the mid 80s. >> i know late 80s you yeah, well i'm here with gb news, but i'm because as a lot i'm also here because as a lot of things that i've campaigned about about for about and spoken about for nearly years are now being nearly 20 years are now being picked conservatives picked up by some conservatives . what's suella braverman said in a speech to the un? i've been saying for years and saying that for years and getting , so at least some getting abused, so at least some of its leaching the of its leaching into the mainstream, suspect mainstream, albeit i suspect that she's still a minority in her own party. but patrick, you put your finger on it. the elephant in the room here is immigration. is not immigration. and this is not just stopping the boats. it's legal net migration. it is the

massive population rise that's going on. and i've been out here for the last 5 or 6 hours talking to party members and mps and others , and they all know and others, and they all know that exploding population means a housing crisis . you can't get a housing crisis. you can't get a housing crisis. you can't get a gp appointment. the roads are more blocked than ever and nobody on that stage, even wants to talk about, oh, too scared . to talk about, oh, too scared. too scared of what? >> of winning an election. being called nasty things by their mates in central london. >> you know, and the times editorial be nasty to editorial might be nasty to them. the guardian might be beastly. the bbc might be even worse than they could be now , worse than they could be now, never underestimate the cowardice of people in elected politics and the desire to be part of a herd and the feeling that being in a herd gives you protection. >> well, you know, i would have thought just having walked around here talking to ordinary people, conservative party members, for goodness sake, i mean, know what mean, they know what conservative party members , by conservative party members, by and and they do want and large want and they do want controls to legal immigration and they want to stop the boats.

and yet they're scared. do you think, to go on stage and say that they've been scared for years to audience of years to an audience full of people would stand up and applaud? >> yeah, they you know, they >> yeah, but they you know, they it is the social unacceptability of saying these things . and of saying these things. and what's really interesting in 13 years of conservative government the centre of gravity on these debates has shifted so far to the left. it's almost unbelievable. i mean, there were things that david blunkett was saying as home secretary 20 years ago that would now be called bbc. right. called with the bbc. far right. yeah, is how far left we've yeah, that is how far left we've gone. yeah, that is how far left we've gone . but it also reflects the gone. but it also reflects the type of people in politics. most of the mps here are literally career politician barons. it'll be the same next week at the labour conference. they're in it for a career, not for the change they can bring or the conviction that hold and so the that they hold and so the disconnect the party and disconnect between the party and the active membership is huge. >> well, and we saw that, didn't we, lord cruddas, last night came and a barnstorming came out and gave a barnstorming speech straight off the traps, teeing off where he openly said

that people should not be donating to the conservative party. they should be donating to the which is, you know, a membership grassroots organisation that appears to be open warfare within the conservative party between dare i say it, people who may be a more closely politically aligned to you and said, well, people are charged, oh look, it's open warfare here. >> it's open warfare on hs2 , >> it's open warfare on hs2, it's open warfare on net zero. it's open warfare on migration, it's open warfare on brexit. that hasn't gone away . and what that hasn't gone away. and what we need to do with brexit, it's open warfare on every single issue. you can see differing wings of the party, you know. liz truss is group this morning with their trumpian type slogans , the one nation lot with damian green and the others. they're horribly split, but even even those of a more conservative perspective, perfectly clear suella and pretty don't like each other very much . they're each other very much. they're all over the place right now. >> look, i heard you being

interviewed earlier just in front this stand, and i think front of this stand, and i think they were asking you some questions. are you coming back into politics or all of that stuff? you was stuff? but what you said was just me. just just listen to me. just listen to . so rishi is to me. so if rishi sunak is watching this now, then winning the election . the election. >> be done . it can be >> oh, it can be done. it can be won. i mean. i mean, honestly , won. i mean. i mean, honestly, nobody outside the conservative party made a bigger contribution in towards their 80 seat majority than i did, and i say that not wanting to appear big headed or arrogant. i i turned the conservative party from an anti leave the eu to a pro brexit party. they may not have meant it, but that's what they said. i shifted that party almost single handedly to a position that gave them an 80 seat majority. see, i've got a better sense of where the centre ground a majority public opinion is than virtually everybody. rishi in your party. so i know you're listening to me now or beginning to on net zero and other issues, but you've got to go on one hell of a lot further

than you've gone. you've got to convince people in your speech on wednesday that you are the real deal, not just making reactive moves in response to opinion polls. it's a heck of a big ask . can it be done? well big ask. can it be done? well stranger things have happened in history . history. >> do you think you will ever rejoin the conservative party ? rejoin the conservative party? >> i can't see it, patrick. i think they're gone. >> i think they'd have you now. i think. oh if you asked this lot, you know the delegates who they'd vote for, i could become leader . leader. >> but a tribal leadership would never let me in. >> no, i mean, it would be fascinating. just. just from a from a journalistic point of view, would be a fascinating view, it would be a fascinating thing to watch unfold. i mean, that be it would that would be it would be tremendous. >> class white >> the middle upper class white overprivileged aged snobs who've never proper job in their never had a proper job in their lives would never me in the party. >> do think we've got >> do you think we've got a bigger disconnect than ever, nigel, way that gb nigel, between the way that gb news looks at the world potentially, and the way that, you know, twitter, you mentioned

some know, some snobs there. you know, potentially the media outlets a little bit later on the show, little bit later on in the show, i've a clip from priti i've got a clip from priti patel. from patel. i've also got a clip from liz about gb news. liz truss talking about gb news. you you talk about the you know, you talk about the disconnect you know, you talk about the discorroots of the party and the grass roots of the party and the conservative party, but what about between, conservative party, but what ab0|know, between, conservative party, but what ab0|know, us between, conservative party, but what ab0|know, us maybe neen, conservative party, but what ab0|know, us maybe the], media? >> well, yeah. i mean, of course, you know, i mean, what you've the when you've seen over the last when i was last week , very good was away last week, very good week from gb news was week to be away from gb news was all trouble was kicking off. all the trouble was kicking off. but i mean the adam boulton's we must shut down. the today must be shut down. the today programme interview ing our chief executive as if it was nuremberg. yeah i mean the way the whole thing's been dealt with has been unbelievable. and i've been here before. i've been here before for when ukip was rising and challenged ing we were demonised. we should be defunded, closed down, put in prison. god knows what. and. and the same is happening to gb news. what you'll notice here is , is the love for gb news amongst so many of these delegates and members of parliament and former cabinet

ministers that are here. so i think we are we are now a very established media brand, especially with this group of people. and you know what? >> it's not a bad thing. >> it's not a bad thing. >> no, absolutely. just very quickly, very finely, nigel, you're show here. what's on? >> well, sadly , we at 7:00, the >> well, sadly, we at 7:00, the punters will all have gone. it's going to be me and an empty hall, which will look terrible . hall, which will look terrible. and the guardian will say no one turned never mind . and turned up. but never mind. and we're have lord frost we're going to have lord frost on just to about the state on just to talk about the state of party. we're to of the party. we're going to have cates on. oh, good. have miriam cates on. oh, good. talk what's going on in talk about what's going on in our schools and i will give my take on what i've seen over the last 48 here. i can't last 48 hours here. i can't believe this party has ever been more divided than ever before. they're headed for defeat . but they're headed for defeat. but the real debate and battle that's going on here is what is what comes next and what comes next. >> it's interesting. you say they're headed for defeat because i'm going to be having a little on. i little conversation later on. i don't all don't disagree with you at all about this party is. about how divided this party is. i a depressing thing i think it's a depressing thing for in general for british politics in general that they are not necessarily

heading because what heading for defeat because what does that say about the alternative? right. alternative? well you're right. >> know, many , many >> i mean, you know, many, many would labour aren't would say that labour aren't very but it's still very inspiring, but it's still going to be defeat. >> yeah. no. okay. fair enough. nigel thank you very much. watch out for a show later. still, there's between now there's more to come between now and five. we'll hear from jeremy hunt. right. the hunt. yes, that's right. the chancellor. it's to chancellor. it's fair to say that not that he and liz truss are not singing off same sheet singing off the same hymn sheet on party conference, on this tory party conference, and loads coming and i'll have loads more coming your way polly your way as well. polly middlehurst there your middlehurst now there with your headunes middlehurst now there with your headlines . patrick, thank you. >> the top stories this hour. a government source has told gb news that no decisions have been taken on hs2 following reports that the manchester section of the line had been axed. it follows increased speculation about the rail project's future, with the number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs. the chancellor says it shouldn't cost ten times more to build a railway within the uk than it did to get just

across the channel to france . across the channel to france. and liz truss has called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax back to 19% in his autumn statement and speaking at a fringe rally today in manchester, the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. and lastly , a second police force is lastly, a second police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. it follows a joint investing station by the sunday times and channel 4. russell brand denies all accusations of criminality . all accusations of criminality. more on all those stories by heading to our website. gbnews.com .

gbnews.com. >> right? well, a little earlier this hour, we heard from liz truss, didn't we? she called for tax cuts at a conference fringe event this lunchtime. now, this is very important. we have more people in this country paying higher than pretty much higher rate tax than pretty much even higher rate tax than pretty much ever. i think so tax cuts, therefore, affect more therefore, would affect more people than ever. chancellor therefore, would affect more people hunt ever. chancellor therefore, would affect more people hunt ,ver. chancellor therefore, would affect more people hunt , though, 1cellor therefore, would affect more people hunt , though, failed to jeremy hunt, though, failed to clearly address the topic classic. during his keynote speech at the conference or sorry, i should say, conservative party conference. he says that he's focussed on the government's target to halve inflation by the end of 2023. keep your eyes open long enough to watch and listen to this . to watch and listen to this. >> we conservatives know if you get the economy right, everything else comes right too. so right now we are focussed on bringing down inflation. nothing hurts families more when it comes to the weekly shop and heating bills or pump prices , heating bills or pump prices, which is why the prime minister's pledged to halve it. jeremy from accounts there now just moments before i came on

air, liz truss herself walked up to me just off this stage and said, patrick love the show. >> i said, thanks very much, liz. she then went on to say, tax said yes. said, cut it, tax said yes. she said, cut it, cut it, cut it . and with me now cut it, cut it. and with me now is mark littlewood, director general at the institute of economic affairs. and after that , we're going to be talking about justin urquhart stewart, who's co—founder of regionally. mark, with you. look, mark, i'll start with you. look, to fair , liz had a go. to be to be fair, liz had a go. to be fair, you had a go and it imploded. so why is she right now? >> oh, she was right then. i mean , the overall issue the mean, the overall issue is the tax burden. patrick is just way, way, way too high. it's now at the highest level since the second world war. you wouldn't believe there'd been 13 years of conservative government now in order to cut taxes, you've got to make some bold decisions on spending as well, because spending as well, because spending has gone through the roof as well. so if you want to get taxes you've be get taxes down, you've got to be serious about getting spending down. slightly feel that this down. i slightly feel that this government is going to do neither. spending is sets the

sort of and then you tax sort of limit and then you tax to max to pay it. to the max to pay for it. >> but look, you've got >> but look, if you've got people watching this now, which we the uk, people watching this now, which we right, the uk, people watching this now, which we right, in the uk, people watching this now, which we right, in places the uk, people watching this now, which we right, in places like|e uk, people watching this now, which we right, in places like stoke all right, in places like stoke or wherever, why should they be bothered about things like tax cuts ? is that just a rich cuts? is that not just a rich persons offence. persons thing? no offence. everyone the everyone is stoked, by the way. i is some i appreciate there is some wealth there. >> no, absolutely not. >> no, absolutely not. >> i think the important >> i think the most important thing for thing is to cut taxes for ordinary families. absolutely ridiculous. people ridiculous. more and more people are paying are being dragged into paying income you don't have to be income tax. you don't have to be that rich before you're that rich now before you're paying that rich now before you're paying 40% rate. >> nurses did. >> nurses did. >> yeah, it's absolutely unbelievable. initially unbelievable. that was initially designed to for the super designed to be for the super rich. now a year. rich. it's now 50,000 a year. not bad salary, i grant you, not a bad salary, i grant you, but not an easy salary to bring up four on. right. up a family of four on. right. so we've got to get the overall tax down. don't think tax burden down. i don't think you target this at you need to target this at the super , but actually super billionaires, but actually if target corporation tax as if you target corporation tax as well, which liz truss has argued should go back down to 19, i think there's good evidence that would itself that a would pay for itself that a lower rate would encourage more business, more investment and in fact you'll still have as much

going into the treasury. >> i'll is i'll bring >> what i'll do is i'll bring in justin stewart now, justin urquhart stewart now, who's co—founder regionally who's co—founder of regionally regular on the regular on regular on the show, regular on the channel. and we'll just get his take on and then i'll put his take on it and then i'll put some of to mark. some of that to you, mark. justin yeah, to have you justin yeah, great to have you on you. look do on the show. thank you. look do we a socialist we just have a socialist government pretending to be conservative? us conservative? that's taxing us all to hilt and they're not all to the hilt and they're not doing about it? all to the hilt and they're not doiiwell, about it? all to the hilt and they're not doiiwell, it about it? all to the hilt and they're not doiiwell, it is about it? all to the hilt and they're not doiiwell, it is astonishing, >> well, it is astonishing, isn't it? >> as mark was saying, it's not just the amount of tax. >> sheer complication . we've >> the sheer complication. we've got tax guide, which is got tolley's tax guide, which is the book that accountants to take bed with them for some sort of excitement in the evening. >> i it's doubled in size >> i think it's doubled in size over 12 years. >> i think it's doubled in size oveso 12 years. >> i think it's doubled in size oveso that 12 years. >> i think it's doubled in size ove so that a 12 years. >> i think it's doubled in size oveso that a it'svears. >> i think it's doubled in size oveso that a it's just. >> i think it's doubled in size ove so that a it's just too >> so that a it's just too complicated and b, it's not creative taxation. >> one of the key elements where you really can get more bang for your buck is actually by creating more or using the incentives, things like enterprise investment scheme make regional as well. make those regional as well. >> we are very good at setting up small businesses. >> we're absolutely rubbish at financing make grow financing them to make them grow into something more significant, which become profitable then

which become profitable and then pay which become profitable and then pay which employs more pay more tax, which employs more people pay more tax. people and they pay more tax. >> those are the areas where >> so those are the areas where we're going to get proper growth. >> and what i can't see at the moment is that real moment is that that real incentive encourage greater incentive to encourage greater productivity, to productivity, productivity to get investment money coming in, not domestically but not just domestically but overseas as well. >> no shortage of money. >> there's no shortage of money. i don't mean the money tree, which the same way as the which went the same way as the hadrian's wall, of sycamore hadrian's wall, sick of sycamore . that's just printing the stuff. real using pension stuff. but real using pension money. erected not by dogma money. read erected not by dogma , but because they actually had kind of a mechanism to do so into good british businesses. you get most fund managers the moment they great asset moment they do great asset allocation around the world. how many? goes into british many? first it goes into british companies. they probably don't know . know. >> okay, i'll bring you in. mark, again, it's jeremy hunt. useless >> i don't think he's useless. i think he's a well—intentioned person. i just think he's looking at this problem down the wrong end of the telescope. >> why, why it >> why, though? why is it because, dare say it, he's because, dare i say it, he's never his life because, dare i say it, he's nebanking. his life in banking. >> well , i'm so sure that >> well, i'm not so sure that people who've worked banking

people who've worked in banking is qualification is the automatic qualification to be the chancellor of exchequer. think he exchequer. i just think he just sees in a different sees the world in a different way. and unfortunately, what this government is seeing is that amount of spending that the amount of spending is fixed. this all has to go up, spending has to up and up and spending has to go up and up and up, need raise up, and then we need to raise taxes i haven't taxes to match it. so i haven't heard hunt or sunak heard jeremy hunt or rishi sunak come imaginative plan come up with an imaginative plan for spending apart from for cutting spending apart from the completely blindingly obvious cancel obvious that we should cancel hs2. that's it. we need to hs2. but that's it. we need to get the welfare bill down. seriously i mean, jeremy hunt said 1 or 2 things about trying to get people back into work. i approve about the approve of that a bit about the pubuc approve of that a bit about the public sector as well. >> and about civil servants. but again, shift again, that's not going to shift an that's not again, that's not going to shift an to that's not again, that's not going to shift an to shift. that's not again, that's not going to shift an to shift. tha'littlet going to shift. that's a little bit from hiring bit of saving money from hiring 60,000 to many people during a pandemic that sort your pandemic. that doesn't sort your economy doesn't economy out. no, it doesn't. >> i've got. >> that's the problem i've got. it's at the edges. it's all fiddling at the edges. and actually , we've got to and actually, we've got to attempt the burden attempt to get the tax burden down radically. we are now not far off 50 pe in every pound being spent in britain is spent by the government and every pound. >> this is crazy. this is the real thing. and you've hit on

exactly the right that exactly the right note that i want to strike. justin, want to strike. and justin, if you're i'll you're still there, i'll bring you're still there, i'll bring you justin urquhart you back up. justin urquhart stewart, co—founder of regionally the big problem i have, and i think the big problem people problem that people in manchester it manchester have, dare i say it around is hear that around the uk is you hear that figure there , almost half figure there, almost half of your goes tax for what? your money goes in tax for what? we have rural bus we don't have rural bus services. the nhs is absolutely knackered. if you send your kids to school, you'll be lucky to get school and when get a school place and when they're be they're there they might just be indoctrinated with a load of stuff you don't to hear stuff you don't want to hear anyway. paying it? >> well, this is. is >> well, this is. this is ridiculous thing. >> had this you were >> we had this thing. you were talking about it earlier. more people tax people paying higher rate tax because it's not high rate tax. >> it's normal. >> it's normal. >> was fiscal >> this was fiscal drag. >> and i don't mean cross—dressing accountants. >> actually getting more >> this is actually getting more poorer people into higher rate tax. >> now , what we do know is with >> now, what we do know is with laffer curve is actually if you do bring tax down a bit to a reasonable level , you actually reasonable level, you actually get because people get more income because people will actually spend less time trying salt their trying to actually salt their money in places where we've money away in places where we've got attacked by. tax got attacked by. so make tax creative. so it's encouraging people to invest, put money in and okay they like paying tax

gradually to the position where actually it seems to be doing something i'm something at the moment. i'm just into a black just throwing money into a black hole in case it actually gets to a long black hole and with a very long black hole and with no benefit to at all. by the way, that indonesia's way, to i say that indonesia's just finished 300 miles of high speed track, slightly over costs, but managed to be able to speed track, slightly over costhat ut managed to be able to speed track, slightly over costhat pretty1aged to be able to speed track, slightly over costhat pretty effectivelye able to speed track, slightly over costhat pretty effectivelye abal to do that pretty effectively for a third . third world nation. >> no, absolutely. justin, thank you very much. down the line there, justin urquhart stewart, co—founder as co—founder of regionally. and as well, mark littlewood, director general of the institute of economic affairs. mark, just quickly, while i've got you, do you there's chance you think there's any chance that next election? there's always a chance. >> there's always a chance. politics unpredictable. >> there's always a chance. politito unpredictable. >> there's always a chance. politito the unpredictable. >> there's always a chance. politito the lastjredictable. >> there's always a chance. politito the last election le. >> there's always a chance. politito the last election .3. >> there's always a chance. politito the last election . the back to the last election. the labour party was apparently destroyed got worst result destroyed, got its worst result in since the 1930. in the 1930. since the 1930. now, apparently a certain to be the next government. but i think it's likely it's a thin chance, most likely the are in the conservatives are in opposition. ovennhelmingly opposition. yeah, ovennhelmingly likely interesting. >> interesting. interesting. and actually as well talk of actually as well the talk of a hung parliament people are of hung parliament if people are of a mind that could a conservative mind that could end up worse for them end up being worse for them because some kind end up being worse for them becoalition some kind end up being worse for them becoalition with some kind end up being worse for them becoalition with the some kind end up being worse for them becoalition with the liberale kind of coalition with the liberal democrats and who knows what. >> conservatives find

>> the conservatives won't find any hung parliament. >> they're not going know. >> they're not going to know. mark, much. mark, thank you very much. always a pleasure. take care. mark littlewood, director general for general of the institute for economic of course, economic affairs. and of course, we before that as we had justin on before that as well. conference, what well. so far in conference, what we've is essentially warfare we've had is essentially warfare between truss and jeremy between liz truss and jeremy hunt. we've had someone telling us that hs2 has been scrapped and somebody telling us that that's rubbish . we've that's a load of rubbish. we've got some people saying that we should some should get out. the uk, some people stay people saying no, we should stay into say we need people saying no, we should stay inidefund say we need people saying no, we should stay inidefund the say we need people saying no, we should stay inidefund the conservativee need to defund the conservative party. people no, party. other people saying no, that's then also some that's mad. and then also some people please nigel people saying please nigel farage, save us farage, come into us and save us and other people saying, no, keep him well out of the party. he doesn't here. so it's he doesn't belong here. so it's been quiet day. yes that's been a quiet day. yes that's right. going to been a quiet day. yes that's rightup going to been a quiet day. yes that's rightup another going to been a quiet day. yes that's rightup another goi because step up another notch because chancellor hunt has chancellor jeremy hunt has announced a benefits crackdown on people who aren't trying to get a job. is this an attack on the work? shy or are the tories the work? shy or are the tories the nasty party again ? patrick the nasty party again? patrick christys gb news is britain's

sunday mornings from 930 on news . we are back at it here in manchester at the conservative party conference. >> it is 4:47. you're watching or listening to me patrick christys on gb news coming to you live from manchester at five. i will have the latest on the future of hs2. this is kick right off. we have an impeccable source telling us that it has been scrapped . okay. but then been scrapped. okay. but then the government comes out. a number 10 spokesperson says this is inaccurate. interesting. who do you believe? i think i know who my money's on. but now

chancellor jeremy who my money's on. but now chancellorjeremy hunt who my money's on. but now chancellor jeremy hunt has announced a benefits crackdown . announced a benefits crackdown. he says that the government wants it easier to wants to make it easier to sanction claimants who sanction benefits. claimants who don't do enough work. okay is it time to get tough on the work? shy from last year for the first time ever , you can earn £1,000 a time ever, you can earn £1,000 a month without paying a penny of tax or national insurance . tax or national insurance. >> but despite that, even when companies are struggling to find workers , around 100,000 people workers, around 100,000 people are leaving the labour market every year for a life on benefits . mel stride gets this benefits. mel stride gets this 100, which is why he's replacing the work capable assessment and we're going to look at the way the sanctions regime works. it isn't fair that someone who refuses to look seriously for a job gets the same as someone trying their best. >> well, here we are in manchester, northern town, red wall area , and we have got a

wall area, and we have got a conservative chancellor standing up on stage and saying we've got too many people on benefits , but too many people on benefits, but it's too easy for too many people to be on benefits. they are draining the pockets of hard working individuals. he stopped short of saying this, but the implication , of course, is that implication, of course, is that there are too many lazy work, shy layabouts knocking about in this country and they need a rocket up the backside. former labour mp dennis mcshane joins me now . dennis, you very me now. dennis, thank you very much. agree with the much. do you agree with the chancellor that we need to get people into work and get people back into work and get them the couch . i think them off the couch. i think we i think we might have just lost your audio connection there, dennis, so we'll really just try to get that back. but what do you make of that at home? gb views gbnews.com. views at gbnews.com. interesting. from the chancellor, jeremy there. chancellor, jeremy hunt there. he's huge amount of he's not said a huge amount of things that are deeply popular with everybody here. i think people safe people see him as being a safe pair of hands. don't they? whether scraps hs2, whether or not he scraps hs2,

that interesting. but that will be interesting. but this that i think this is something that i think could relatively with could play relatively well with conservative . is it conservative party voters. is it too in your view , for too easy, in your view, for people to sack off a lower paid job and decide that they want to spend their life on benefits? how do we sort that out, though? because i think the conservatives have got a problem here going into a general election a away. this time election a week away. this time next be at next week i will be at the labour conference. and labour party conference. and can you if the conservative you imagine if the conservative party before then is we party policy before then is we are to going cut benefits? so how do you do that? how on earth do you sell that to the nation without again becoming the nasty party, without again seeming like plunge like you're going to plunge people poverty , people into a life of poverty, people into a life of poverty, people with disabilities, for example? are they to example? how are they going to actually handle all of that? this conservative has been this conservative party has been very issues, very weak on several issues, hasn't it's been weak hasn't it? it's been very weak when to immigration. when it comes to immigration. talking tough, not necessarily putting required action putting in the required action to boats legal to stop the boats or cut legal migration. very migration. they've been very weak, many people argue, weak, many people would argue, when comes zero until when it comes to net zero until recently when rishi sunak, by the way , did not stop the big

the way, did not stop the big net zero agenda entirely. he just delayed it a little bit. so do you really think that the conservative party have got the bottle to cut people's benefits to make it more difficult for benefit scroungers to live a life like that? i believe we are now rejoined by somebody who is a rejoiner actually is denis macshane . denis, thank you very macshane. denis, thank you very much. look, okay, on this, is it too easy to be lazy in britain? come on. i do. >> i worked hard all day life. >> i worked hard all day life. >> what i do know is that we have a labour market. >> really doesn't work. >> really doesn't work. >> all this yesterday , >> and read all this yesterday, headunes >> and read all this yesterday, headlines the sunday headlines in all the sunday papers hunts going to crackdown on disability benefits. >> listen to the speech and >> then listen to the speech and he's giving it to some junior minister. we've never heard of to out a review to the may to carry out a review to the may report next year or the year after that. >> or. wait a minute. >> or. wait a minute. >> be in power then. >> we won't be in power then. i mean, serious mean, it's just not serious politics. patrick is it? >> it's a joke. it's like he said. the other headline was said. the other big headline was , i'm going to cut civil service jobs. >> i'm going to freeze civil service jobs . rishi sunak service jobs. rishi sunak announced last november a bit

over a year ago. i'm going to cut 91,000 civil service jobs . cut 91,000 civil service jobs. >> if you go back through the years , i'll go back to 2009 years, i'll go back to 2009 where a labour government said it was going to freeze all civil service jobs with the blob keeps getting and bigger getting bigger and bigger because people want more police, they want more nurses . they want more nurses. >> dennis you've worked, you look, you've worked very hard in your life and in your career to get to where you got to, etcetera. i mean, unfortunately for you, it's culminated here now talking to me, but you can't have it all. you know, why should people be able to do absolutely nothing all day in and day out and know that you and day out and know that you and i are going to pay them ? >> why do they do it in other countries? >> is it sorted out in the workplace? the guys who know the grifters, a fellow workers works councils , joint management, councils, joint management, trade union bodies who simply say, hey, you can't be doing that. >> and that's the way we do it.

we have this insane system in which one man, jeremy hunt from today, somebody else tomorrow sits in whitehall and decides everything for 77. >> this is our problem. we're overcentralised and under managed and i've got no problems at all. >> you won't find a single trade unionist of mine or my acquaintance over many, many decades who supports any workplace benefit fiddle, who's long disabled, who who'd be very careful when you hand it over to the local bureaucrats, not the people in the workplace. >> this will start cutting benefits of someone who's got a real disability . real disability. >> then you're in the front page of the papers and then jeremy hunt, whoever is the minister gets it in the neck . gets it in the neck. >> all right, dennis , look, i've >> all right, dennis, look, i've got to ask you, because i've been asking basically every politician in your case, politician or in your case, former politician that i've had on nigel farage is on this show, nigel farage is here at the moment. was at a here at the moment. i was at a deal night where was deal last night where it was a massive nigel farage loving with some the some very senior members of the

conservative party. he's making noises about whether not he's noises about whether or not he's going into politics. going to get back into politics. do think that the do you think that the conservatives should have nigel farage their party? farage in their party? >> oh, i would love it because it would not acaa. forever. i love nigel. you worked with him i >> we've always got on personally very well. >> he's very kind with me. >> he's very kind with me. >> a few years ago i >> many a few years ago when i was trouble, he actually was in real trouble, he actually stepped to the plate and stepped up to the plate and never mind what he said, you never mind what he said, but you know, like a lot . know, i like nigel a lot. >> the plain is he's tried, >> the plain fact is he's tried, i think, seven times to be elected to parliament. >> we bbc big demand boosted material and he was all right. >> dennis i'll tell you what we're just going to knock it on the head there, i'm afraid, because to be honest with you, i can't dennis can't hear you as dennis mcshane, the former mp. mcshane, the former labour mp. i hope much better for hope that was much better for everybody it was hope that was much better for eve me)dy it was hope that was much better for eve me as it was hope that was much better for eve me as labour it was hope that was much better for eve me as labour spokesperson for me as labour spokesperson for me as labour spokesperson for number 10. that that for number 10. that said that reports leg of for number 10. that said that repo has leg of for number 10. that said that repo has scrapped leg of for number 10. that said that repo has scrapped areg of hs2 has been scrapped are inaccurate. i'll inaccurate. well okay, i'll believe that i it, believe that when i see it, because back, am because when i come back, i am going be speaking to the going to be speaking to the woman was directly that woman who was told directly that hs2 has scrapped we're hs2 has been scrapped and we're going blow the lid off the

going to blow the lid off the thing. christys gb news thing. patrick christys gb news britain's channel afternoon i >> -- >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met for gb news. a bit of met office for gb news. a bit of a north south split today. a fairly dull, damp one in the south, brighter south, something a bit brighter across scotland and northern ireland. heavy rain ireland. some quite heavy rain developing though through the evening central and evening time over central and eastern england, eastern parts of england, particularly the midlands particularly the east midlands up lincolnshire and up through lincolnshire and north norfolk could even see a few thunderstorms. we could see quite a lot of heavy rain for a time across parts time overnight across parts of east especially . it does east anglia, especially. it does all . clearer skies all scoot away. clearer skies will allow temperatures to drop down to single figures in the countryside across parts of scotland, northern ireland, further south with a of further south with a lot of cloud. warm cloud. it'll stay pretty warm overnight . it's quite a grey overnight. it's quite a grey start. then, of course, he's dangung dangling the southeast, but that cloud tend to drift away cloud should tend to drift away and then it'll be a case of sunshine and showers. most of the showers over north—west england, scotland, few england, western scotland, a few for northern ireland, a sprinkling for wales, maybe southwest england catching a shower two. but much the shower or two. but much of the midlands , southern eastern midlands, southern and eastern england most of england will be dry for most of

the some sunny spells. the day with some sunny spells. a though, with a a fresher feel, though, with a brisk wind, particularly gusty across and across northern scotland and coming into western scotland . coming into western scotland. more rain through tuesday night and into wednesday, and that could cause some problems. the rain starts to rain potentially starts to really build up later this week. some of that rain on wednesday affecting parts of northern ireland, the north ireland, particularly the north coast england and wales. coast for england and wales. again the west, again a few showers in the west, but places bright. but many places dry and bright. temperatures around average for the time year. there are the time of year. there are signs, in the signs, particularly in the south, that things will warm up later this week. bye for now

>> hello, i'm patrick christys and i am at the conservative party conference in manchester where today has been fizzing. we've had this big story about hs2. well, is it a story we're going to speak to a lady who thinks that, yes, realistically , hs2 has been scrapped. according to their sources, the manchester to birmingham leg. but then the government is saying, this absolute saying, no, this is absolute nonsense . not who nonsense. i'm not sure who i believe that. well, am, believe that. well, i am, but i can't say that loud can't really say that out loud now. the culture wars well. now. the culture wars as well. kemi been talking kemi badenoch has been talking a lot party lot about the conservative party being party knows being the only party that knows what to be what a woman is. i'm going to be going about in going out and about in conference and a little going out and about in conlaterce and a little going out and about in conlater on and a little going out and about in conlater on in and a little going out and about in conlater on in the and a little going out and about in conlater on in the hour, a little going out and about in conlater on in the hour, we're.e bit later on in the hour, we're talking about echr. we're talking about the echr. we're talking about the echr. we're talking and talking about immigration and we're whether or we're talking about whether or not actual conservative party members that rishi sunak members think that rishi sunak can win at the next election. some of the answers may surprise you. patrick christys . gb news.

you. patrick christys. gb news. yes and that's before we've even started about a little bit of open warfare between liz truss and jeremy hunt. who'd have thought it? but that big hs2 news coming our way shortly thought it? but that big hs2 news the�*oming our way shortly thought it? but that big hs2 news the headlines way shortly thought it? but that big hs2 news the headlines where hortly thought it? but that big hs2 news the headlines where polly after the headlines where polly . patrick thank you. >> good afternoon . well, the top >> good afternoon. well, the top story this hour is that the government has told gb news that no decisions have been taken on hs2 following reports that the manchester section of the track had been axed. it follows increased speculation about the rail project's future, with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs. the chancellor says it shouldn't cost ten times more to build a railway in the uk than just across the channel in france . also in the news today, france. also in the news today, a second police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell

brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. they added it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation . it ongoing investigation. it follows a joint investigation by the sunday times and channel 4 for russell brand denies all accusations of criminality against him. now the chancellor has announced plans to freeze the expansion of the civil service and reduce its numbers to pre pandemic levels during his speech at the conservative party conference in manchester today, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year. meanwhile, the chancellor announced tougher benefit sanctions on those who are capable of working. but choose not to. and a national living wage rise to £11 an hour. we promised in our manifesto to raise the national living wage to two thirds of median income.

>> i'm ending low pay in this country. see, at the moment it's £10.42 an hour, and we're waiting for the low pay commission to tell us next years commission to tell us next year's recommendation. but i confirm today, whatever that recommendation, we'll increase the national living wage to at least £11 an hour next year . least £11 an hour next year. that's a pay rise for 2 million workers. >> well, also at conservative party conference today, liz truss has called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax back to 19% in his next autumn statement. speaking at a fringe rally, the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. her comments came after jeremy hunt told gb news no substantial tax cuts are possible. this year. ms truss said businesses are now choosing not to locate in the uk as a result and they shouldn't be treated like a cash cow. we need to unleash business across britain . britain. >> we need people to want to

invest in our country. we need businesses to be able to expand, to grow and to create new jobs, to grow and to create new jobs, to create new ideas . that's why to create new ideas. that's why i'm calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put corporation tax back down to 19. and frankly , if we can get it and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better for well , in lower, the better for well, in news in the united states, the former president donald trump, has arrived at a courthouse in new york where he is due to stand trial in a civil fraud case and a warning if you're watching on television, there are some flashing images in the next part. >> well , the former president is >> well, the former president is accused of inflate the value of his assets by about $1 billion to secure better loan and insurance terms. speaking outside the courtroom, though, mr trump claimed he was the victim, was never a problem. >> everything was perfect . there >> everything was perfect. there was no crime . the crime is was no crime. the crime is against me because we have a corrupt district attorney , but

corrupt district attorney, but we have a corrupt attorney general and it all comes down from the doj that totally coordinated this in washington, because i'm leading . coordinated this in washington, because i'm leading. i'm coordinated this in washington, because i'm leading . i'm the because i'm leading. i'm the leading candidate. i'm leading biden by ten points. >> donald trump speaking earlier on today. now in news, back here at home, using mobile phones in schools should be banned . and schools should be banned. and that's according to the education secretary, gillian keegan has been saying the move would improve the overall behaviour and education of students and cut down on online bullying. new guidance from the department for education will back headteachers in banning them throughout the school day, including a break times . and including a break times. and lastly, junior doctors and consultants in england have begun their three day walkout, the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday at 7 am. they'll deliver what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing in their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments, being reschedule . and the

being reschedule. and the government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients. but these doctors told us why they'd gone on strike until and unless there is a credible pay offer , it will mean credible pay offer, it will mean that doctors of all grades, but especially senior doctors , will especially senior doctors, will continue to leave the country for other places and the nhs will continue to suffer . will continue to suffer. >> we are not planning for the future. there is going to be no staffing in the nhs. there's to going be no nhs in future going be no nhs in the future if we pay. we don't fight for our pay. so this a necessarily this is really a necessarily a fight about individual consultant say we're consultant papers say we're actually fighting for the very future nhs . future of the nhs. >> strike speaking >> doctors on strike speaking earlier on today, you're with gb news across the uk on in your news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital and now on car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gp news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> we start with the absolutely massive news of the day, which is the future or potential lack of hs2. a senior government

source has told gb news that no decision has been made about whether the northern leg of hs2 should be scrapped . but after a should be scrapped. but after a week of speculation, it is being reported another source that reported to another source that rishi sunak has decided to ditch the high speed rail link between manchester and birmingham. and let me tell you right here at conservative party conference thatis conservative party conference that is the noise, that is the buzz around this place. despite the denials , i am joined the denials, i am joined initially by gb news political correspondent catherine forster. now, catherine, just tell me before we go to conservative mp wendy morton. so this will be fascinating . what are you fascinating. what are you heanng fascinating. what are you hearing then ? come on. hearing then? come on. >> well, what i'm hearing is rather different from the government line that no decision has been taken and in impeccable source has told me that hs2 from birmingham to manchester, that there's been so much noise about for the last couple of weeks is going to be scrapped. and we expect that the prime minister will make that announcement in

his speech on his conference speech on wednesday . and apparently let's wednesday. and apparently let's see what happens. but the sort of sweetener, if you like, is likely to be that that money or some of that money at least because don't forget, one of the reasons they'll be given for axing it is it's ferociously expensive. but that some money will made available will instead be made available for northern transport port. improving the road network, potholes, things like that . and potholes, things like that. and also apparently the northern powerhouse rail , which is an powerhouse rail, which is an east west line, ideally high speed that the thing that loads of people wanted him to do anyway in the first place. liverpool manchester, to liverpool to manchester, to leeds, hull to newcastle leeds, to hull, to newcastle to connect these great northern connect up these great northern cities. of course 16 million cities. but of course 16 million people in the north of england , people in the north of england, a of will say they've a lot of them will say they've heard all of this before because northern powerhouse rail, george osborne they've heard it for years yet none of this has years and yet none of this has happened.soi years and yet none of this has happened. so i think if and when we hear that hs2 to manchester

has been axed, there will be a big row. now we are sitting in a disused former railway station that symbolic is running really symbolic. and also we're sitting in manchester where people coming up to conference yesterday or sorry, not yesterday, losing track of the days on saturday. couldn't get a train. there were no trains for the strikes. there'll be no trains going back. so so, okay. >> so right. an impeccable source is what you're saying there. so an impeccable source has told gb news, hs2 the birmingham to manchester leg . no birmingham to manchester leg. no it's not happening and you can see michael gove was in this seat yesterday refusing to answer the questions, the mood music around this place is quite clear that despite what the government are saying, realistically we are anticipating announcement in anticipating an announcement in the next or so. conservative the next day or so. conservative mp wendy morton who this time last year was the chief whip. >> i indeed, yes, a lifetime ago. >> it does feel like lifetime >> it does feel like a lifetime ago right . >> it does feel like a lifetime ago right. what's ago with hs2, right. what's going here? come the going on here? come on. the people clarity. is

people need clarity. this is ridiculous. >> i couldn't agree more >> well, i couldn't agree more with need some with you. we do need some clarity. isn't it? is all clarity. is it? isn't it? is all that i'm hearing. i've not heard the latest that picking the latest that you're picking up source . up from an impeccable source. i'm a west midlands member of parliament. i think it will be, you know , from my perspective, you know, from my perspective, birmingham absolutely needs hs2 . there's so much investment and the future that's built upon that. go to curzon street. you see the investment there . i see the investment there. i think for me, what we need more than ever is clarity . than ever is clarity. communities need clarity , communities need clarity, businesses need clarity. there will be people on the on the route whose properties businesses may have may be due for compulsory purchase. they need clarity . but i also just need clarity. but i also just got to this. >> so, wendy, with respect, how has it got to this? because this has it got to this? because this has been controversial since the day that somebody came up with the now here. the idea we are now here. however many years on and the amount of taxpayers money, we're in middle cost of in the middle of a cost of living got more living crisis. we've got more people paying higher tax people paying higher rate tax than ever . i people paying higher rate tax than ever. i mean, than pretty much ever. i mean, if one of them doesn't fill out

a tax return correctly, hmrc comes quickly. comes knocking pretty quickly. but you for but apparently if you work for hs2, spend it. hs2, just spend it. >> well, i think there's a really important point there, which is around accountability. and , we've talked about hs2 and yes, we've talked about hs2 for it feels like forever . it's for it feels like forever. it's a big infrastructure project . a big infrastructure project. surely questions have to be asked about accountability. if it was a business. s and you were the chief exec of that business or the chief financial officer, you would want to run a tight of costs . so tight ship of your costs. so there are lessons here that are going to have be looked at, going to have to be looked at, have learnt, because have to be learnt, because i think starts mean for think it also starts to mean for me, what does that mean for future infrastructure projects ? future infrastructure projects? so for clarity . so i am looking for clarity. say, you know. birmingham absolutely needs hs2, but also why would we be making the announcement in manchester in the middle of a party conference? >> well, yeah, i mean, why not? >> well, yeah, i mean, why not? >> should we not be making that announcement to parliament? that would one of questions would be one of the questions that i would be that that i would be i would be asking so that members of

parliament can actually ask questions as well. >> look, i completely agree with you. i think that time will probably come. we are here. conservative conference conservative party conference a lot flags not lot of union flags about not least studio gb news, least in the studio gb news, britain's news channel all that jazz. got to ask wendy, you jazz. i've got to ask wendy, you know, the conservative party, have they embarrassed britain with other with this hs2 thing? other countries build stuff. countries just build stuff. >> well, look, i've been fortunate and i've travelled quite a bit. i'm a former rail minister, but i have to say i was not rail minister for. we'll get that one in there. and there are countries that do build faster and again, to me this comes back to now asking really serious questions are we gold plating our projects? so safety absolutely matters. of course it does. but what is stopping us from actually getting on and delivering on some of these projects? because you know, people out there just want when we say we're going to do something, they want us to deliver on it. whether it's a railway, whether it's a road , railway, whether it's a road, whether a new school or whether it's a new school or whether it's a new school or whether a hospital. whether it's a new hospital. >> all right . what you >> okay. all right. what do you think politically we

think the fallout politically we could this ? because part could be to this? because part of me thinks i'm a little bit i'm a little bit on the fence. i think there is a massive cohort of the population that probably doesn't care that much about hs2 of the population that probably dwhether|re that much about hs2 of the population that probably dwhether|re thainever| about hs2 of the population that probably dwhether|re thainever goingt hs2 of the population that probably dwhether|re thainever going to s2 , whether it was never going to affect lives whether affect their lives or whether they just thought it was a big waste of then have waste of money, then you have got directly involved got the people directly involved and suppose you've got and then i suppose you've got the people think, the group of people who think, well, it wasn't going to affect my it like it's my life, but it looks like it's not well. therefore not been handled well. therefore i've stopped trusting the government. i've stopped trusting the ghow 1ment. i've stopped trusting the ghow1ment. going to if , how is this going to play if there's of the there's the cancellation of the manchester birmingham? there's the cancellation of the maiwell,:er birmingham? there's the cancellation of the maiwell, certainly|gham? there's the cancellation of the maiwell, certainly|gham are there's the cancellation of the maiw(peopleainly|gham are there's the cancellation of the maiw(people that |gham are there's the cancellation of the maiw(people that think are there's the cancellation of the maiw(people that think that it many people that think that it should be scrapped, it should be scrapped, that it should be scrapped, that it should built in should be scrapped, that it sho first built in should be scrapped, that it sho first place. built in should be scrapped, that it sho first place. but built in should be scrapped, that it sho first place. but givenyuilt in should be scrapped, that it sho first place. but given it lt in the first place. but given it was supposed to be a why, they lopped off the bit to leeds now they're probably going to lop they're probably going to lop the bit to manchester. they're going left with just a bit going to be left with just a bit to birmingham to maybe old oak common, not even in central london. i think there is london. and i think there is consensus amongst people from all across the political spectrum in terms of former prime ministers boris johnson, david cameron, of course, they viewed it as part of their legacy. people like andy

burnham, very cross indeed, that he's not even been in the room, not consulted . but i do not been consulted. but i do think real issue , too, think there's a real issue, too, for people in the north 16 million people in the north that levelling up. we heard the promise didn't we? boris johnson was elected largely on that promise. there's a real risk in building a bit of railway from outside of london to birmingham and not going anywhere near the north that they will think, oh, well, so much for levelling up. and of course these red wall voters are ones that are critical for the conservatives. keep hold of . they are the ones keep hold of. they are the ones that help johnson that keep hold of. they are the ones thaseatp johnson that keep hold of. they are the ones thaseat majority)hnson that keep hold of. they are the ones tha seat majority .|nson that keep hold of. they are the ones tha seat majority . so, n that keep hold of. they are the ones tha seat majority . so, okay,1at keep hold of. they are the ones tha seat majority . so, okay, they 80 seat majority. so, okay, they may make promises about northern powerhouse rail , but i certainly powerhouse rail, but i certainly think a lot of northerners will just think here we go again. you know, london's got the elizabeth line. beautiful shiny, new. but different treatment for the north of england. >> it's hard to argue with that, isn't it? you know, does the conservative about conservative party care about the well, i would say yes. and i >> well, i would say yes. and i am northerner. know, i'm am a northerner. you know, i'm from north manchester am a northerner. you know, i'm frorrgetting north manchester am a northerner. you know, i'm frorrgetting theth manchester am a northerner. you know, i'm frorrgetting the levelling|chester am a northerner. you know, i'm frorrgetting the levelling upzster and getting the levelling up

agenda right. is so important. we used to talk about the north south divide, levelling up was about not just levelling up of infrastructure, but levelling up of opportunity . and if you want of opportunity. and if you want to level up opportunity , that to level up opportunity, that means to have means you have to have infrastructure in place. and so that's why hs2 is one part of it, but it's much more than that as well, isn't it? and so that's why i'm waiting to see if this announcement is coming. but people do want clarity. i was at an event last night and lord cruddas stood up and i mean , cruddas stood up and i mean, teed off big time. >> okay . priti patel was at that >> okay. priti patel was at that event as well. there are a few other mps there. it must be said , openly, the , he said openly, the conservative party at the moment does not represent or listen to its members urged people its members and he urged people to donating the to stop donating to the conservative party until he felt like it re—engaged with its membership base. okay, how do you feel about that? >> well, i wasn't at that event , so i'll tell you, i'll take your word for it. i think look , your word for it. i think look, the party is always at its best when it's a broad church , but at

when it's a broad church, but at the moment it's feeling like we're finding our feet again . we're finding our feet again. and, you know , i my view is and, you know, i my view is i want to see something done on taxation because i think there are families who i think feel are families who i think feel are being squeezed in the middle. they go out to work all day. but the cost of living is putting a push on them and on business. and so that for me is a conservative value on that to be to be fair, because you were chief whip with with liz truss, right. >> and she was actually elected by the membership and then she was ousted and replaced by somebody who's never been voted for or the only time he actually stood for election, he lost to liz truss and you know, taxes are going up . okay. so when you are going up. okay. so when you hear someone like lord cruddas say you're heading for electoral oblivion and it's because there's a massive disconnect between the membership and the politicians , i mean, you can see politicians, i mean, you can see why he can make that case, can't you?i why he can make that case, can't you? i mean, i can nobody's voted for any of this.

>> so i can see that. so why i believe taxes , which i'm believe in taxes, which i'm trying show you how different trying to show you how different how party is. a broad church how the party is. a broad church can be a broad church, but we want to see some more of those conservative policies and values coming fonnard. ultimately it is down to the donors of the party, be that the big donors or the small ones, to make their own minds up as to where they put their to put their money. i mean, we saw , i would say, mean, we saw, i would say, a slightly more conservative approach on the net zero, a week or so ago. and i know in my patch, constituency , patch, in my constituency, that's played quite well, that's played out quite well, but you're absolutely right that , you know, the party members did not have a vote . did not have a vote. >> no. and i think that's important, isn't it? >> so engaging with them now , >> so engaging with them now, listening to them really matters and listening, i would say on something you just raised there on things like net zero. >> okay. because look, i'll say this. i think there's a variety of different topics. if we had a referendum on them tomorrow , referendum on them tomorrow, there wouldn't necessarily be there wouldn't necessarily be the establishment victory that people think there would be. net

zero of so do zero would be one of them. so do you think that rishi sunak has done right to row done the right thing to row back, to slow down the pace of the net zero agenda on the net zero? >> i think he has i think there's still the ambition there , but going at it at a steadier pace but the country pace. but taking the country with the right thing to with us was the right thing to do and you where would you be on on issue about pulling on another issue about pulling out echr , i'm waiting to see out the echr, i'm waiting to see where we get to on that one because again, there's a of because again, there's a lot of talk about it, but let's see where where we get to. but if we have have to. have to, we have to. >> because these are some >> okay. because these are some of questions. >> okay. because these are some of there questions. >> okay. because these are some of there areestions. >> okay. because these are some of there are somes. >> okay. because these are some of there are some really big >> there are some really big questions. for our questions. and they are for our for party and so it's but for our party and so it's but it's important that we it's most important that that we listen membership and we listen to our membership and we listen to our membership and we listen the country and that listen to the country and that members parliament members of parliament have their ability feed into this ability to feed into this as well. okay. ability to feed into this as wel interesting ability to feed into this as welinteresting . and catherine, >> interesting. and catherine, as we talk right now, latest as we talk right now, the latest round polling i saw , the round of polling that i saw, the tories about ten behind, which actually is not a bad return considering that they were about 20 been for a 20 behind and have been for a little while. things the little while. so things for the conservative moving in the conservative party moving in the

right the mood right direction. and the mood here, i mean, i'd it's here, i mean, i'd say it's a mixed bag, isn't it really? some people are thinking that, you know, they do it. there's know, they could do it. there's a talk a hung a lot of talk of a hung parliament going around. it's quite bleak. >> yeah. mean, i think rishi >> yeah. i mean, i think rishi sunak will have taken comfort from poll yesterday sunak will have taken comfort from put poll yesterday sunak will have taken comfort from put them poll yesterday sunak will have taken comfort fromput them onlywoll yesterday sunak will have taken comfort from put them only ten yesterday sunak will have taken comfort fromput them only ten points ay that put them only ten points behind. i mean, i use that advisedly , but they've been advisedly, but they've been about 20 points labour about 20 points behind labour consistently a year. so consistently for a year. so i think they will hope that this sort of more radical rishi sunak in the softening of the green targets coming out as the motorist's friend , etcetera, motorist's friend, etcetera, those sorts of policies are going to start to bear fruit. but certainly there's plenty of conservative mps here. yes, there's some that think it's still doable , but there's plenty still doable, but there's plenty of people that think the election's already lost. and i think that's we're seeing think that's why we're seeing all some all this posturing from some suella braverman badenoch suella braverman kemi badenoch both government ministers who would really like rishi sunak's job. well i've got to ask you, very finally, and i've asked every politician this every single politician on this show, so please don't be offended this, you offended by this, would you excuse ? excuse me? >> would you be in favour of

nigel farage rejoining the conservative party? >> oh, my goodness. what a question i've asked everyone because he's here. i don't think he's has he's applied for membership, has he's applied for membership, has he if did, i'm not saying interesting. >> typical politicians answer. >> typical politicians answer. >> i know it is. it's difficult. politicians answer, but it's possibly, possibly a while. i don't have a crystal ball . no. don't have a crystal ball. no. okay. fair enough. all right. well, wish we did, though, right? thank you much, both right? thank you very much, both of you. good way to kickstart the of show . the final hour of this show. that's morton, that's wonderful. wendy morton, conservative . this time last conservative mp. this time last yean conservative mp. this time last year, saying, the year, as i was saying, was the chief whip. slightly quieter conference imagine conference this year, i imagine . but there are. and of . but there we are. and of course, forster course, catherine forster as well. political correspondent, loads more on initial story loads more on that initial story about future or lack of hs2 about the future or lack of hs2 on website. go to gbnews.com on our website. go to gbnews.com fastest national news fastest growing national news site the country. the best site in the country. the best analysis, big opinion and all site in the country. the best analatestyig opinion and all site in the country. the best analatest breakingn and all site in the country. the best ana latest breaking news. all site in the country. the best analatest breaking news. but site in the country. the best ana latest breaking news. but we the latest breaking news. but we all that economy and all know that the economy and immigration will key immigration will be key battlegrounds next battlegrounds at the next election so the election, but so will the so—called culture wars. they will play an important role as well. kemi badenoch stood up and said, hey, at least this party knows what a woman is. we'll be

talking about that very talking about all of that very shortly. christys shortly. patrick christys

britain's news channel. >> welcome back. 524 you are watching or listening to me patrick christys here in not so sunny manchester at the conservative party conference. and what a day it's been so far, but it's only hotting up because a university professor who was cancelled by his own students has announced the creation of a faculty for common sense . that's

faculty for common sense. that's right. eric coffman was the head of politics at birkbeck university of london. he's now creating a centre of heterodox social science. it's more interesting than it sounds at the university of buckingham, which will investigate what woke attitudes controversy attitudes and controversy subjects such as trans rights and critical race theory. now this comes hot off the back of kemi badenoch speaking right here at the conservative party conference, saying that the tories are the only party on the side of common sense and if labour mps won't tell us what a woman else is, then what else aren't they telling us? well, it's interesting , isn't it? the it's interesting, isn't it? the culture wars for a long time was laughter scorned . say, oh, it's laughter scorned. say, oh, it's the only thing the tories have got is the culture wars. well, now we're starting to see some other row other things as well. like a row back et cetera . but back on net zero. et cetera. but actually it is an important issue , isn't it? you not issue, isn't it? do you not think important issue think it's an important issue for way that your for you, for the way that your children for children are brought up, for the attitudes and societal norms that you have and the conservatives badenoch in

conservatives kemi badenoch in particular, very strong on particular, being very strong on that , lgbt conservatives that today, lgbt conservatives board member and gb news contributor for favourite, a wonderful albie amankona joins me now . do you think that the me now. do you think that the conservatives are winning the culture wars and if so , why? culture wars and if so, why? >> well, first of all, i know eric kaufmann quite well and i think what he's doing at the university of buckingham is a very exciting venture for him. i do we more common do think we need more common sense in society. and when we listen brilliant mps and listen to brilliant tory mps and ministers like kemi badenoch or even people on the backbenches like priti patel, i do certainly think they're speaking in a language which is much more similar to the average voter than we hear from keir starmers labour party, where they're talking of these lofty talking about all of these lofty ideas. but they don't really have much in what is the have much bark in what is the culture wars. >> so what is it? >> okay, so, so, so what is it? is it as simple as there's an aggressive militant group of hyper woke individuals who want to shut everything else down? i mean, what are they fighting against? >> look, what i like about kemi badenoch is she's a rational

voice. i actually think that both the woke and anti—woke side of the culture war can actually be equally as bad as each other. they both want to cancel each other. they don't want to listen to each other. they don't actually solutions actually want to find solutions . have a fight . they just want to have a fight . whereas kemi badenoch, she wants find solutions. she wants to find solutions. she wants to find solutions. she wants a way fonnard. and wants to find a way fonnard. and that's i think the that's why i think the conservatives are winning the culture war. >> this is fascinating >> okay, now this is fascinating because we also had reports of i don't think you've gone public with this or anyone's really gone public with this so far. so this is potentially a bit of an exclusive for us about something that happened last night. am i right ? i'm that happened last night. am i right? i'm going to throw it over to you because it ties in. okay. i think between, you know, over to you because it ties in. ok aggressivebetween, you know, over to you because it ties in. ok aggressive culturel, you know, over to you because it ties in. ok aggressive culture waru know, over to you because it ties in. ok aggressive culture war and ow, an aggressive culture war and a potential cancel culture. but playing out in real life, go on. >> well, this is what i mean when i say it happens from both sides. so you've mentioned, sides. so as you've mentioned, i'm on the board of the lgbt conservatives. vice conservatives. i'm the vice chairman outreach . and i was chairman for outreach. and i was having conversation with one having a conversation with one of members earlier on our

of our members earlier on at our stand up conference down stand up conference just down from was telling me from here, who was telling me about how he and a bunch gay about how he and a bunch of gay conservatives a gay bar about how he and a bunch of gay co manchester, a gay bar about how he and a bunch of gay co manchester, i a gay bar about how he and a bunch of gay co manchester, i believegay bar about how he and a bunch of gay co manchester, i believe ity bar about how he and a bunch of gay co manchester, i believe it wasr in manchester, i believe it was called bar . and called the new union bar. and there was a drag act which was on that was making lots of rude and comments about and derogatory comments about conservatives and about suella braverman them feel braverman and making them feel very still in this very uncomfortable still in this venue and apparently some of the other patrons in the venue were being aggressive and rude being quite aggressive and rude and unkind towards them . and and unkind towards them. and then they decided that they were going their going to stay and have their drinks, they drinks, even though they were getting abuse getting all of this abuse hurled at them. then about half at them. and then about half an hour absolutely hour later out of absolutely nowhere, four security guards walked up to them and physically threw out of the bar, threw them out of the bar, physically manhandled them and threw them out of this bar. i just think that's absolutely appalling that that these places they say they want diversity, but not diversity of thought. and they're chucking people out just for being conservative. it's terrible. >> i mean, that is absolutely staggering. seriously. i mean, it should, you know , this just it should, you know, this just should be happening this should not be happening in this

country really, where if you happen have the conservative happen to have the conservative ideology and way of thinking that you will end up being kicked out of a bar of your choice. but that appears to have happened. >> i mean, it's appalling. i mean, if you actually look at the conservatives record on lgbt issues since 2010, we are the party that brought in same sex marriage. we are the party that brought in lgbt relationship and sex education in schools . we are sex education in schools. we are the party that's going to end hiv transmissions by 2030. and yet our party members who have been fighting for those causes are being thrown out of places where they want to spend their money just for their political. >> is why it's >> but this is why it's important, it? this why important, isn't it? this is why people kemi badenoch and people like kemi badenoch and talking whether say talking up whether it is i say what is or whether it's what a woman is or whether it's about people , you know, not about people, you know, not pigeonholing people. this kind of, cancel culture. of, you know, cancel culture. the issue that appears to exist, you know, the kind of woke mind virus, whatever elon musk would call it, and, you know, all the culture wars, this is why it's so important because it appears

that right now in this country, at this conference, we have had at this conference, we have had a group of gay conservatives who have been forcefully evicted from an eventjust for their beliefs. >> precisely. that didn't do anything wrong in the situation. they just wanted to be ordinary paying they just wanted to be ordinary paying customers and enjoying a night out on the town in manchester. and they had their night completely ruined just because of their political beliefs. if this was any other group, patrick, people would be crying from rafters . crying from the rafters. >> can i ask you forgive me for asking this? it's just popped into my really . but, you into my mind, really. but, you know, a as man and also know, as a as a gay man and also somebody who's ethnic somebody who's an ethnic minority you feel minority as well, do you feel more under threat for being a conservative than you do for any of those things? well i don't tend to feel that under threat by things in general, patrick. >> but >> i'm quite thick skinned, but i think certainly there is a real viciousness that people have towards minorities . that have towards minorities. that don't fit the mould and towards minorities. whether or not you are , black or a are gay, black or from a different kind of religion who

is not from the liberal left, if you don't if you don't agree with that dogma of wokeism, you are cast aside and seen as a stowaway. and i feel at home here at the conservative party conference. i'm here with my people think it is such people and i think it is such a shame that our members of the party and of the lgbt conservatives have been treated this way. yeah, i'll be. >> look, thank you very much and thank coming and thank you for coming on and highlighting that very real issue because that exactly highlighting that very real issue we'relse that exactly highlighting that very real issue we're talking exactly highlighting that very real issuewe're talking exacabout what we're talking about, about cancel about all of what we're talking about, about cancstuff about all of what we're talking about, about cancstuff in about all of what we're talking about, about cancstuff in action about all of what we're talking about, about cancstuff in action there. all of what we're talking about, about cancstuff in action there. so of that stuff in action there. so albie amankona wonderful . now, albie amankona wonderful. now, as promised, secretary as promised, business secretary kemi badenoch did tell the tory party conference that her party is on the right side of the culture wars by knowing what the definition of a woman is. here she is . she is. >> i pay tribute to the many women's and lgbt groups such as conservatives for women , sex conservatives for women, sex matters and the lgbt alliance, who, despite unbelievable opposition, kept fighting this policy, refusing to be cancelled and speaking the truth. there is

no other party that will defend common sense next week , labour common sense next week, labour will tell the country that it is ready for government. but ladies and gentlemen, let me ask you this . if labour, if labour and gentlemen, let me ask you this. if labour, if labour mps won't tell us what a woman is, what else aren't they telling us? >> well , there we go. kemi >> well, there we go. kemi badenoch there never knowingly undersold many people. tip her as the next leader of the conservative party, although i'm sure current leader of the sure the current leader of the conservative won't want conservative party won't want people talking about his successor soon. loads people talking about his succe still soon. loads people talking about his succe still to soon. loads people talking about his succe still to come. soon. loads people talking about his succe still to come. between ds people talking about his succe still to come. between now more still to come. between now and six, i will talk to a tory more still to come. between now and about will talk to a tory more still to come. between now and about the talk to a tory more still to come. between now and about the migranta tory more still to come. between now and about the migrant crisis that mp about the migrant crisis that will be happening in just a couple of minutes time. on the day gb news reveal 25,000 day that gb news reveal 25,000 people now crossed the people have now crossed the channel on small boats this yean channel on small boats this year. and one of the big arguments raging here at conference about the echr conference is about the echr should of it? should should we get out of it? should we take back control properly of our , and our laws, our borders, and crucially, our money? but first, your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst.

>> patrick, thank you. the headunes >> patrick, thank you. the headlines this hour. a government source has told gb news that no decisions have been taken on hs2 following reports that the manchester section of the line had been axed. it follows increased speculation about the rail project's future , with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs. the chancellor says it shouldn't cost ten times more to build a railway in the uk than just across the channel in france. greater manchester mayor andy burnham has called on the prime minister to end the shambles on hs2. the prime minister to end the shambles on hs2 . liz truss has shambles on hs2. liz truss has called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax back to 19% in his next autumn statement . his next autumn statement. speaking at a fringe rally, the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes and a second police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it had received new information

relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. it follows a joint investigation by the sunday times and channel 4. russell brand denies all accusations of criminality. those are the headlines. more on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com . website, gb news.com. >> direct website, gbnews.com. >> direct bullion sponsors the financial report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. >> looking at the markets today, the pound buying you 1.21 to 1 dollars and ,1.1552. the price of gold is £1,511.16 an ounce. the ftse 100 has just closed . at the ftse 100 has just closed. at 7510 points, a direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news investments that matter a . just fill .

a. just fill. >> that's true . >> that's true. >> that's true. >> well, i've got a very special treat for you , actually, because treat for you, actually, because i've ended up with two tory mps for price one, but one of for the price of one, but one of rishi pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to stop pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to stop the pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to stop the boat. pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to stop the boat. so pledges for the price of one, but one of ri to stop the boat. so it's edges is to stop the boat. so it's perhaps unfortunate for the pm that, of course we reached a landmark today. gb news can reveal the 25,000 migrants have now crossed the channel in small boats. year. we know boats. so far this year. we know the drill, don't we? £8 million a on hotels . whether or not a day on hotels. whether or not we can actually deport any of these people. what's going on? i'm now by sir robert i'm joined now by sir robert goodwill, who is the conservative mp for scarborough and whitby, and i've got sir john redwood as well , who's the john redwood as well, who's the tory mp for wokingham . so i'm tory mp for wokingham. so i'm the only person who hasn't been knighted yet by the looks of things, which makes me feel complete. matter of complete. it's only a matter of time. have to hold you time. yeah i'll have to hold you to that. look, robert, i'll start okay? in start with you, okay? and in fact, people at fact, i speak to people at scarborough quite regularly who say affected scarborough quite regularly who say use affected scarborough quite regularly who say use asylum affected scarborough quite regularly who say use asylum seekerted by the use of asylum seeker hotels so what's hotels in that area. so what's going on? why haven't we got to

grips with this yet? surely you need to. >> the hotels in >> well, the hotels in scarborough for scarborough have been used for afghan they've afghan refugees and they've actually by by actually been welcomed by by local people. most of those local people. and most of those have to permanent have now moved on to permanent accommodation . accommodation. >> didn't have quite the >> so we didn't have quite the same as of the same problem as some of the other parts of the country. i mean, the numbers are worrying, but it's down on last year and i think we're all sort of hanging out waiting to see what the supreme court judgement is because the appeal a because the appeal court was a 2 to 1 decision. and i think if the rwanda scheme can go ahead, that will be a real disincentive to people pay these horrible to people to pay these horrible people to actually people smugglers to actually bnng people smugglers to actually bring to the kingdom bring them to the united kingdom when safe country when they're in a safe country already namely already, namely france. >> key point that and sir >> it's a key point that and sir john, what would you do if the supreme court says that we can't do rwanda ? do rwanda? >> well, i would legislate. i think we have to assert ourselves and i and others did make a suggestion when they were planning the last lot of legislation that there would be an amendment you could make, which would be a clear instruction to our courts that they to obey the law as

they had to obey the law as parliament decided it and parliament had decided it and not refer it to on an overseas court. and i think that would be a necessary if our own a necessary step if our own court doesn't reflect the will of the british people, which i'm sure is to have a safe haven to send people to who come here illegally . illegally. >> one of the massive debates raging the moment this raging at the moment at this conference with people conference and just with people around, it about around, really, it is about the echr . sr there is a sense at the echr. sr there is a sense at the moment of desperation moment i think, of desperation when to what's when it comes to what's happening in the channel and the amount that's happening in the channel and the amou|used that's happening in the channel and the amou|used or that's happening in the channel and the amou|used or some that's happening in the channel and the amou|used or some saythat's being used or some may say wasted . where are you on the wasted. where are you on the echr ? echr? >> i think it would send out a very negative message because many, of the countries in many, many of the countries in the soviet union , in the the former soviet union, in the east of europe, you know , their east of europe, you know, their human something that human rights are something that are being eroded every day , are being eroded every day, being attacked every day. >> countries like belarus and the european of human the european court of human rights and the of rights and the council of europe. something they europe. it's something they really so i think it really hold dear. so i think it could send out some in the echr there are the belarus. no, they're not and neither are the russian that's. russian federation. and that's. but but the, the, the council of

ministers council of europe a very strong on on criticising some of the human rights abuses that go in those places. i just ask with that though, why is that any of our concern. >> well why why how does that affect people in britain right now seeing people come now who are seeing people come across channel that we can't now who are seeing people come across of? channel that we can't now who are seeing people come across of? cimean, that we can't now who are seeing people come across of? cimean, what'se can't now who are seeing people come across (got imean, what'se can't now who are seeing people come across (got to ean, what'se can't now who are seeing people come across (got to do |, what'se can't now who are seeing people come across (got to do |, what'sawellt belarus got to do with us? well all you know, the european all the you know, the european court of human rights, the sort of the standards that that many of the standards that that many of us like to want to see in terms of democracy and freedom are something that are protected by by that court. >> and those countries. >> and those countries. >> i think for us to leave it, would they would certainly be seen as undermining people in some countries . some of those countries. >> that's the argument, isn't it? i'll bring in it? so, john, i'll bring you in that were out of that if we were to pull out of the if we were to try and the echr, if we were to try and get that people get the deterrent that people will hope would deter the 25,000 people who are crossing english channelif people who are crossing english channel, if we were to pull out the echr, we would lose the right to lecture russia and belarus on the world stage about human would we?

human rights abuses. would we? >> that's arguable, by the >> well, that's arguable, by the way. >> i'm not recommending we do pull of the whole echr . what pull out of the whole echr. what i'm saying that we should i'm saying is that we should have legal have a targeted legal intervention through our parliament where we think it is impeding us in a perfectly legitimate aim to stop this awful people trafficking with the risk to lives and all the other negative that we other negative effects that we see. and we have done this before without pulling out of the echr because we had a the whole echr because we had a finding against us as a country that we needed to give votes to prisoners and our parliament said no, we've considered this. we do not wish to give votes to prisoners. we will not give votes we're votes to prisoners, but we're not the whole of not pulling out of the whole of the echr and that worked perfectly well. okay >> so do you think then that we should be making more noise about solution because about this solution? because at the does appear the moment it does appear a relatively black and white, your average man and woman. i think that it's either stay in the echr and accept whatever it is that court and then that the supreme court and then the echr tell us that we and the echr tell us that we can and can't do we pull out of the can't do or we pull out of the thing. but there is middle thing. but there is a middle ground, yeah

ground, isn't there? yeah >> said, you know, we're >> as john said, you know, we're an state. can an independent state. we can legislate and particular what i really find frustrating and annoying about this whole situation is that i was immigration minister under david cameron went out cameron and we actually went out to refugee around to the refugee camps around syria and we brought families to the uk . we were prepared for the uk. we were prepared for them. we had for housing them and at the moment, you know, these across these people are coming across are people chosen by organised criminals, not people who are most you know , 90% of most in need. you know, 90% of them young men . and, you them are young men. and, you know, there's a lot of women i think we should be helping around the world, the women around the world, not the women and , is the usual and children, is the usual thing that whenever i look at that i say whenever i look at one of these boats. >> the vast >> and i know that the vast majority people who do majority of the people who do see these videos say exactly the same are women same thing. where are the women and mean, do have and children? i mean, we do have and children? i mean, we do have a german ngos as a number of german ngos as well who are apparently operating in the who who are apparently operating in the know, who who are apparently operating in the know, are, who who are apparently operating in the know, are, again, who who are apparently operating in the know, are, again, i who who are apparently operating in the know, are, again, i will ho you know, are, again, i will argue, making it a lot easier for these people smugglers when we their human cargo. we clear their human cargo. >> when we cleared the camp at sangatte was 750 people sangatte, there was 750 people there that took . of those there that we took. of those 750, only eight were syrians and

90% were young men. and we really need to reach out. you know, there are people in desperate need of our help, but we've done it the hong kong we've done it with the hong kong people. it with the people. we've done it with the afghans. we've done it with ukrainians. we're ukrainians. so we're not a nafion ukrainians. so we're not a nation that doesn't understand our obligations. these our obligations. but these people are chosen by organised criminals and these are people who have money pay the who have money to pay the organised are organised criminals. these are not needy people in the world. >> now we've spoken quite a bit there about illegal immigration. okay side okay what about the legal side of know, for of it, sir john you know, for a lot people the next lot of people at the next election , that's going to be election, that's going to be a huge bone of contention for them because they're going to into because they're going to go into that and that election by the looks and the with two major the sounds of it with two major political parties in this country who aren't going to do anything about the legal numbers of immigration, well, i would like us to control all the legal numbers rather more . numbers rather more. >> i strongly take the view that we don't want to invite in a lot of people to take low paid jobs and our market. and undercut our labour market. and that may be cheap for and whilst that may be cheap for the companies, it's not cheap for the taxpayers and the state

because obviously if they're coming in for very low paid jobs , there are big costs in providing subsidised and providing subsidised housing and school and medical care school places and medical care and all the things they're and all the other things they're going which doesn't get going to need, which doesn't get weighed so weighed into the accounts. so i do think we need to have much more control on that and put more control on that and put more money behind products , more money behind products, equity raising measures, giving people the chance of a better paid job who are already settled here with more machine power and computing power at their elbows. >> but i do suppose that the argument that would be, look, argument to that would be, look, britain a massively britain is a massively multicultural country. we've absolutely thrived off it and we need low skilled immigration to pr°p up need low skilled immigration to prop up our economy, don't we? well certainly in my constituency, we have lots of care homes who are unable to recruit people. recruit local people. >> could argue whether >> now, you could argue whether some of those people should be in they're on in work when they're on benefits, they're desperate benefits, but they're desperate to and it's not to get people and it's not a cheap option company to cheap option for a company to bnng cheap option for a company to bring you've got cheap option for a company to bripay you've got cheap option for a company to bripay health you've got cheap option for a company to bripay health surcharge got cheap option for a company to bripay health surcharge .ot to pay the health surcharge. you've got to pay the cost of the but without those, the visas. but without those, you our elderly people you know, our elderly people would for at the

would not be cared for at the present present and that present, present time. and that really , similarly with really so again, similarly with seasonal with agriculture, seasonal work with agriculture, a attitude within a difference of attitude within again, within the conservative party that . party on that. >> but i think there's some good work on by the employment work going on by the employment department, work going on by the employment departm(and put resources progress and put more resources behind are behind because there are hundreds thousands of people hundreds of thousands of people of age who might like a of working age who might like a job, might be able to do so job, who might be able to do so with more support. eight who want a better rate of pay for understandable reasons. and i think need work on that. think we need to work on that. yeah, absolutely . yeah, absolutely. >> i mean, look, we've covered quite a lot of ground here really, which it comes really, which is when it comes to know, do you to the echr, you know, do you stay you stay out? is to the echr, you know, do you stay a you stay out? is to the echr, you know, do you stay a happyu stay out? is to the echr, you know, do you stay a happy medium?? is to the echr, you know, do you stay a happy medium? yes. yes, there a happy medium? yes. yes, there a happy medium? yes. yes, there is. so, you range of there is. so, you know, range of views it comes the views there when it comes to the legal yeah. legal immigration side. yeah. again of legal immigration side. yeah. agithe of legal immigration side. yeah. agithe side of legal immigration side. yeah. agithe side where of legal immigration side. yeah. agithe side where we of legal immigration side. yeah. agithe side where we to: on the side where we want to bnng on the side where we want to bring down. want get bring this down. i want to get people no point people there's no point importing people people there's no point impgoing people people there's no point impgoing to people people there's no point impgoing to do people people there's no point impgoing to do low people people there's no point impgoing to do low skilled jobs are going to do low skilled jobs and maybe a net benefit and maybe not be a net benefit to but then there is to society. but then there is very of it very much the other side of it as well, is, well, you as well, which is, well, you know, people these know, we need people in these roles. got ask a roles. i've got to ask you a slightly different question now roles. i've got to ask you a sthat's different question now roles. i've got to ask you a sthat's differ(but]uestion now roles. i've got to ask you a s that's differ(but would n now roles. i've got to ask you a s that's differ(but would you w . that's okay. but would you welcome nigel farage back into

the conservative party ? the conservative party? >> i know nigel very well . i was >> i know nigel very well. i was a member of the european parliament with him for five years and nigel could not be a member of any party, that he wasn't as simple wasn't the leader of, as simple as okay. as that. okay. >> so, okay, well, you're not ruling it out entirely. i mean, it would drastic shift. it would be a drastic shift. what sir? john? would what about you, sir? john? would you okay nigel what about you, sir? john? would yo come okay nigel what about you, sir? john? would yo come in? okay nigel to come back in? >> don't hypothetical >> i don't do hypothetical questions . if nigel to questions. if nigel asked to join the conservative party then asked it was asked me whether i think it was asked me whether i think it was a good idea or not. >> but he insists on being leader. he would only join a party he could be leader and party if he could be leader and there's he's going to there's no way he's going to be coming party, don't coming into the party, i don't think. no. >> the conservative >> okay. it's the conservative party is a team. >> know nigel. he's not >> and i know nigel. he's not really player he really a team player unless he can be the captain. >> interesting i asked >> okay. interesting i asked that because obviously he is here, he's present. he's going to doing his show here later, to be doing his show here later, probably around the corner. is he to be doing his show he going to be doing his show here just one final here later on? just one final one both. we can't get one to you both. we can't get around the fact that the conservative i think, conservative party are, i think, by the best polling at the minute, ten points behind what are you doing wrong ? we've had

are you doing wrong? we've had some very difficult situations in terms of the pandemic , in terms of the pandemic, followed by the energy crisis , followed by the energy crisis, and the government's had to spend a lot of money, which people agree that we should. >> you know, the furlough scheme helped >> you know, the furlough scheme helpthat's resulted in and that's resulted in unprecedentedly high levels of tax, which instinct we want to bnng tax, which instinct we want to bring down. and the question is, can we do that before, before the election? and i think we should look at how we can reduce tax, particularly those tax, particularly on those lowest paid, know, raising lowest paid, you know, raising the the lowest the tax threshold for the lowest paid , the minimum wage, paid increase, the minimum wage, which the chancellor which i think the chancellor has spoken need to spoken about. so we do need to demonstrate we a party of demonstrate we are a party of low tax. >> question i mean, >> same question to you. i mean, what's wrong ? what's going wrong? >> that we can do >> well, i agree that we can do more things. and would more popular things. and i would say something . things gone say something. things have gone right of right in the last couple of weeks , because if you'd me weeks, because if you'd asked me that weeks ago, weeks, because if you'd asked me that have weeks ago, weeks, because if you'd asked me that have we ieeks ago, weeks, because if you'd asked me that have we were ago, weeks, because if you'd asked me that have we were 201, you'd have said we were 20 points i think as points behind. so i think as soon you start talking and soon as you start talking and doing some things that more doing some things that are more popular authentically popular and are authentically conservative, the disappointed conservatives and that's the problem we're talking about start to say, well, all right,

okay, we understand it. so i would encourage the prime minister to do more of all of that. and yes, we need targeted minister to do more of all of tha'cutsd yes, we need targeted minister to do more of all of tha'cutsd yhelp e need targeted tax cuts to help the self—employed, help small businesses our energy businesses to get our energy costs down bit more. and they costs down a bit more. and they can be paid for. there are reductions in public spending, which making so which we should be making so that we have inflation that we don't have inflation problems on the back of it. >> well, watch this space. oh, very insightful conversation up, both of you. thank very both of you. thank you very much. as robert goodwill there, of the of course, he is the conservative mp for scarborough and redwood and whitby and sir john redwood , who's tory for , who's the tory mp for wokingham. well i have been sat here long enough, i think, haven't i? and i just want to get out, get amongst the action. i am here in manchester at the conservative party conference, so when i come back i'm going to be a little bit of be having a little bit of a walkabout. i'm just going to be well, the well, showing you around the gaff it's quite gaff a little bit. it's quite nice fair bit nice here. there's a fair bit going do a little going on, so we'll do a little bit walk and talk patrick bit of a walk and talk patrick christys are christys here on gb news, we are britain's

the people's. channel >> well, good evening , >> well, good evening, everybody. it is patrick christys here at the conservatory party conference in manchester. the show nearly manchester. the show is nearly finished, so i thought i'd give you walk you a little bit of a walk through. has through. this, of course, has been this is been our studio, so this is where all the action has been taking numerous different where all the action has been takingcabinet numerous different where all the action has been takingcabinet members, different where all the action has been takingcabinet members, etceterat where all the action has been takingcabinet members, etcetera , mps, cabinet members, etcetera, have been getting grilled by a variety of different presenters here. on round over here. spin it back on round over my way here. i'm going to walk you through a bit of the conference. so this is the nfu

stall here. farming obviously big on the agenda . now if you big on the agenda. now if you see catherine force the back of catherine foster's head here, she got the scoop of the conference so far catherine forster is running away from me. don't following me. forster is running away from me. don't got following me. forster is running away from me. don't got the following me. forster is running away from me. don't got the scoopllowing me. forster is running away from me. don't got the scoop ofwing me. she's got the scoop of the conference so far, which was the big that big news, which was that apparently is apparently rishi sunak is actually going scrap the actually going to scrap the manchester to birmingham leg of hs2. it's been furiously denied by insiders , but what they are by insiders, but what they are saying is, well, they're not denying it. they're saying it's inaccurate. they're not categorically that's categorically denying it. that's important. me here. important. come with me here. okay. what you're going to okay. so what you're going to see the bank of media see is the bank of other media outlets over there. none of outlets all over there. none of them, may say, with anything , them, may i say, with anything, anything quite like the setup that we've got here at gb news, may i add ? so there go. may i add? so there you go. that's where all the some people would call them the westminster elite hangout. and this is the main lobby. so we've got a map of great britain and northern ireland, which of course they've all painted blue because that is what the conservatives will be wanting to see at the next

general election . we are general election. we are currently here around the manchester area and there's a big sign up there at the top that says, oh , it's just change, that says, oh, it's just change, but it's long term decisions. okay, so look, this is the kind of things that they've got their their five pledges, their major priorities, their hard inflation, it long term inflation, that's it long term decisions brighter future. decisions for a brighter future. and that has been a big kind of mainstay of this conference. so far. follow me back in here. okay. we're heading towards the conservative party shop now where there is a heck of a lot of merchandise. bizarrely, i say bizarrely, you know, maybe get with the programme a little bit, but a lot of it has got margaret thatcher's and thatcher's face on it and cluding some knitwear . here we cluding some knitwear. here we go. so you could get. no, no , go. so you could get. no, no, no. for your loved one for christmas. so what have we got here? yeah. her. you turn if you want to. this lady's not for turning . i think one had turning. i think one had churchill on it. there we go . churchill on it. there we go. never give never never, never give in. never never, neven never give in. never never, never. sir winston churchill . never. sir winston churchill. now you can say what you like about them being icones. et

cetera. possibly cetera. there is possibly a question mark about if you have to this far back to your to hark this far back to your leaders. maybe, you know, the current one could a more current one could be a bit more inspiring. keep around inspiring. keep coming around with won't look at with me here. we won't look at this don't them. this lot. we don't like them. okay and got load of okay and you've got a load of stalls . these things like the stalls. these things like the for all of this stuff, there's a cafe through here. so a little bit earlier on, this is all abuzz. it's humming. and abuzz. it's really humming. and i'm back around i'm going to circle back around towards of the gb news towards the back of the gb news stall here where i'm hoping we might be able to introduce you, reintroduce you to a bit of a surprise guest. irregular a favourite on gb news, who has been missing for a week . okay. been missing for a week. okay. so she's been missing for a week , but she's back. can we see her? was she brave enough to wear red to a conservative party conference? hello oh, hello. how are you? very good. was our very own bev turner. you're back. >> i'm back. i was on the telly this morning and then jumped on the train. don't mention the

word train in here today. jumped on manchester. on the train to manchester. two hours. needs hs2 hours. here i am. who needs hs2 to go further than that ? to go any further than that? >> exactly. and you are going to be doing your show from be here doing your show from here am. be here doing your show from henl'm am. be here doing your show from henl'm going am. be here doing your show from henl'm going to am. be here doing your show from henl'm going to be am. be here doing your show from henl'm going to be here. be here doing your show from henl'm going to be here with >> i'm going to be here with andrew pierce in the morning. half 12. this is half nine till 12. and this is my first conference. i've been to one before, but i was just kind of an onlooker here. it's quite something, isn't it? politics interesting crowd i >> patrick no, it's alive. i must say, i've been actually quite struck the number of quite struck by the number of young conservatives that there are here you normally are here because you normally think, quite think, you know, it's quite a stuffy event. tories tend to be think, you know, it's quite a stbit/ event. tories tend to be think, you know, it's quite a stbit olderit. tories tend to be think, you know, it's quite a stbit olderit. 'whateverd to be a bit older or whatever the stereotypes there's a bit older or whatever the stere(quite there's a bit older or whatever the stere(quite a there's a bit older or whatever the stere(quite a of there's a bit older or whatever the stere(quite a of there' people been quite a lot of young people and of fringe and there's a lot of fringe events taking later on. events taking place later on. there's andrea there's no doubt. leadsom andrea leadsom just here. leadsom in fact is just here. let say a quick hello. hello, let me say a quick hello. hello, andrea okay. what andrea, how are you? okay. what do you make of what do you what do you make of what do you what do make scrapping of do you make of the scrapping of hs2? is happening or not? hs2? is it happening or not? well to wait see well you'll have to wait and see when minister when the prime minister says, okay. there we okay. all right. well, there we are. unfortunately, okay. all right. well, there we are. have unfortunately, okay. all right. well, there we are. have much unately, okay. all right. well, there we are. have much morely, okay. all right. well, there we are. have much more time i don't have too much more time to because are just to press her because we are just about to wrap things up, i think. be again think. but i'll be back again tomorrow. three till nigel tomorrow. three till six nigel farage here evening

farage is live here this evening , so make sure you stay tuned for that. but the wonderful michelle dewberry will with michelle dewberry will be with you the next hour. i've been you for the next hour. i've been patrick i'll see you patrick christys. i'll see you tomorrow three. take easy, tomorrow at three. take it easy, people. afternoon >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest update from the latest weather update from the met gb news. bit of met office for gb news. a bit of a split today. a a north south split today. a fairly damp one the fairly dull, damp one in the south, bit brighter fairly dull, damp one in the south, scotland bit brighter fairly dull, damp one in the south, scotland inorthernzr across scotland and northern ireland. heavy rain ireland. some quite heavy rain developing though through the evening central and evening time over central and eastern parts of england, particularly the east midlands eastern parts of england, parthrough the east midlands eastern parts of england, parthrough lincolnshiredlands eastern parts of england, parthrough lincolnshire and ds up through lincolnshire and north norfolk could even see a few thunderstorms. we could see quite of rain quite a lot of heavy rain for a time overnight across parts of east anglia especially. it does all scoot away . clearer skies all scoot away. clearer skies will allow temperatures to drop down to single figures in the countryside across parts of scotland , northern ireland, countryside across parts of scotlansouth rthern ireland, countryside across parts of scotlansouth withn ireland, countryside across parts of scotlan south with n lotand, countryside across parts of scotlan south with n lot of], further south with a lot of cloud. stay pretty warm cloud. it'll stay pretty warm overnight. it's quite a grey start . then of course, east start. then of course, east anglia in the south—east but that should to drift that cloud should tend to drift away it'll be a case of away and then it'll be a case of sunshine showers. of sunshine and showers. most of the over north west the showers over north west england, scotland , a few england, western scotland, a few for ireland. spring for northern ireland. spring fling for wales, maybe south

west england catching a shower or two. but much the midlands or two. but much of the midlands southern england southern and eastern england will most of the day will be dry for most of the day with sunny spells. with some sunny spells. a fresher with a fresher feel, though, with a brisk gusty brisk wind, particularly gusty across and across northern scotland and coming into western scotland , coming into western scotland, more rain through tuesday night and into wednesday, and that could cause some problems . the could cause some problems. the rain to rain potentially starts to really build up this week. really build up later this week. some of that rain on wednesday affecting parts of northern ireland, particularly the north coast and wales. coast for england and wales. again, showers in the again, a few showers in the west, many places and west, but many places dry and bright. around bright. temperatures around average for the time of year. there , particularly in there are signs, particularly in the that things will warm the south, that things will warm up this week . bye for now

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and put a stop to it. its critics , though, say he's critics, though, say he's scapegoating the poorest in society. what says you? and, of course, the talk of cutting tax rumbles on. i'm asking you now,

do you think the time for that is now? and if so, where would you begin? liz truss she reckons you begin? liz truss she reckons you could start perhaps with corporation tax, get that back down to 19% and the leg of hs2 will lay worthy. it rumbles on, whatever is going on there. i cannot help but wonder who on earth is leaking this stuff. this distract right now. what is to begin from it? we've got it all to come. but before we get into all of that tonight, let's grab the latest news headlines as . michelle, thank you. as. michelle, thank you. >> well, the main news tonight is that the greater manchester mayor is saying that axing the northern leg of hs2 would be the death corporate act of a dying government at that, as number 10 has told gb news that no decisions have been taken as yet . andy burnham has called on the prime minister to end this shambles on hs2 too, and it follows increased speculation about the rail project's future , with a number of government