at nigel. . at nigel. >> thank you. well, the top story tonight is that the greater manchester mayor has said axing the northern section of hs2 would be the desperate act of a dying government. that as a number 10 source told gb news that no decisions have as yet been taken. but andy burnham has called on the prime minister to end the shambles on hs2 and it follows increased speculation about the rail project future, with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs . the spiralling costs. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, said it shouldn't cost ten times more to build a railway in the uk than it does just across the channel in france . well, the chancellor in france. well, the chancellor announced plans to freeze the expansion of the civil service today and reduce its numbers to pre—pandemic levels. during his speech at the conservative party conference in manchester, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year. meanwhile, the chancellor

announced tougher benefit sanctions on those who are capable of working. but choose not to. and a national living wage rise to £11 an hour . wage rise to £11 an hour. >> we promised in our manifesto to raise the national living wage to two thirds of median income and ending low pay in this country . at the moment, this country. at the moment, it's £10.42 an hour and we're waiting for the low pay commission to tell us next years commission to tell us next year's recommendation. but i confirm today, whatever that recommendation, we'll increase the national living wage to at least £11 an hour next year . least £11 an hour next year. that's a pay rise for 2 million workers. chancellor well, liz truss has called on him to cut corporation tax back to 19% in his next autumn statement. >> speaking at a fringe rally at conservative party conference in manchester today, the former former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. her comments come after jeremy hunt

told gb news no substantial tax cuts were possible. this year. but ms truss said businesses are choosing not to locate in the uk and they shouldn't be treated like a cash cow . in other news, like a cash cow. in other news, a second police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell brand . in a statement, thames brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. they added it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation . it ongoing investigation. it follows an investigation by the sunday times and channel 4. russell brand denies all accusations of criminal obe and lastly, junior doctors and consultants in england started a three day walkout today. that's the longest ever period of joint strike action until thursday morning at 7:00. they're delivering what's being described as christmas day levels of staffing their last joint strike in september led to almost 130,000 appointments, having to be rescheduled. the

government says the walkout is doing a massive disservice to patients . this is doing a massive disservice to patients. this is gb doing a massive disservice to patients . this is gb news across patients. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and now on your digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> good evening. well, it's the first time i've been inside the security barrier at a conservative party conference since, believe it or not, the 19805. since, believe it or not, the 1980s. but they've let me in. and what i've seen over the course of the last 48 hours is very interesting. first thing to say, and it's a really positive thing is the number of young people here has literally people here has been literally astonishing. we're that astonishing. we're told that young people aren't interested in conservative politics. they're switched off from the whole this place was whole thing. this place was absolutely with them absolutely heaving with them today. what i've also seen is a party split in so many different ways. there isn't really time to talk about it. they're split still on brexit. many of them

appear to be embarrassed about the whole thing. they don't even want to talk about immigration, legal immigration, which i think is elephant in the room at is the elephant in the room at this conference. goodness only knows they stand on knows where they stand on the hs2 extension. i could go on to net zero policies and much else . i went the conservative . i went to the conservative democratic organisation dinner last was pretty much last night. it was pretty much open rebellion there on the stage today. the main event was the chancellor's speech and we'll discuss that in just a moment. but it was a fringe event headed by liz truss. that's where the buzz was, that's where the energy was . that's where the energy was. that's they were queuing that's where they were queuing for to get into the for simply ages to get into the room and not all of them did . room and not all of them did. what is interesting is this what i saw today was not the usual battle of personal vanities for who's trying to get to the top and who may lead the party after the next election. what i saw today was a battle of ideas . i today was a battle of ideas. i think there is a pretty broad acceptance s realistic acceptance s realistic acceptance . yes. they can't win acceptance. yes. they can't win the next election. what is going on now is a battle for the

conservative party is going to be after the next election . to be after the next election. to my mind, that's very necessary because i see the modern day conservative party and labour party. frankly as two forms of social democracy , big social democracy, big government, big spend , big tax, government, big spend, big tax, big deficit, huge immigration numbers and frankly, not much to choose. numbers and frankly, not much to choose . so i went out earlier choose. so i went out earlier and asked delegates a very simple question can you win the next election? have a look. so the big question is, can you win again next year? yes i think i mean, obviously, my seat changes significantly under the boundary changes. >> but the seat that a third of my seat goes into whitehaven to work at and i think absolutely is in play for the conservatives. i think most of cumbria is in play for the conservatives lives. i don't know. >> it depends on the strategies. >> it depends on the strategies. >> you know, i think if we were up against a more more charismatic, you know, kind of andy burn and wes streeting and i we would be in dire straits. >> it's going to be a struggle. i think bit of honesty here, a

i think a bit of honesty here, a bit of honesty here. >> it's going to be a huge struggle, isn't it? what would it need in your view? well somehow fulfil all manifesto promises within the next year. >> i think we're doing very well. rishi sunak definitely the man the job he's doing an man for the job he's doing an amazing job. >> it's possible doable . >> it's possible it's doable. it's herculean task, though. it's a herculean task, though. yes because i think there's enough conservatives who want what's right and we all stand for traditional values . for traditional values. >> and as long as everybody knows stand for. knows that's what we stand for. >> found in the last 20 >> what i found in the last 20 minutes or so going around is the older conservative loyalists would support the party, whatever it said, whatever it did at a pure tribal loyalty amongst the younger generation, there's a lot more thought. and i think the frankness is they all know they're going to lose the next election. the real battle of this conference is who wins intellectually after the election. and that's why liz truss is here shouting as loudly as she is . economics dominated as she is. economics dominated today . i mentioned liz truss

today. i mentioned liz truss earlier. he's a very quick clip of what she had to say at 12:30 today. >> so let's start with axing the tax . yes, we need to unleash tax. yes, we need to unleash business across britain. we need people to want to invest in our country. we need businesses to be able to export and to grow, to create new jobs, to create new ideas . and that's why i'm new ideas. and that's why i'm calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put corporation back tax, back down to 19. and frankly , if we can to 19. and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better . get it lower, the better. >> on the theme of taxes , here >> on the theme of taxes, here was the chancellor of the exchequer , jeremy hunt, giving exchequer, jeremy hunt, giving the main speech on the stage at 2:00 this afternoon. >> conservative will always protect public services, but we also honest about the taxes that pay also honest about the taxes that pay for them after a once in a century pandemic and the biggest energy crisis in a generation, the level of tax is too high. we

were right to protect jobs and families . and thanks to rishi's families. and thanks to rishi's furlough scheme , we recovered furlough scheme, we recovered faster from the pandemic than others. but with an ageing population and a war in europe, pubuc population and a war in europe, public spending is still growing faster than the economy . faster than the economy. >> to analyse all of this, i'm joined by liam halligan gb news is business and economics editor and by lord frost, the negotiator of our brexit deal. liam you chaired the liz truss meeting earlier on. it was like a revivalist meeting , wasn't it? a revivalist meeting, wasn't it? i mean, there was a real buzz in that room, a sense that the conservative party has gone too far away from where it should be. >> it reminded me of that famous church in the blues brothers. b rothers. >> brothers. >> i b rothers. >> i expected brothers. >> i expected people to start bat flipping down the aisle, so it to me, i mean, it it really felt to me, i mean, it would be written up as splits and gaffes and the tory party at war one another. it felt to war with one another. it felt to me democracy because there me like democracy because there you had a prime minister who, of

course, was voted in by tory activists openly challenging a prime minister who wasn't voted in by tory activists . in by tory activists. >> yes, i mean, they were her voters in that room were absolutely. >> and the media was there. the world's media was there, and it was deliberately timed. nigel it was deliberately timed. nigel it was one before the was one hour before the chancellor's speech and it was an open challenge to the chancellor. i want you to cut taxes now and liz truss wasn't alone. she was joined by former home secretary priti patel , home secretary priti patel, former business secretary jacob rees—mogg , former environment rees—mogg, former environment secretary jayawardena, and secretary ranil jayawardena, and within my questioning of those four people we learnt that the conservative growth group , a conservative growth group, a group of backbenchers, is now 60 strong and of those 60 backbenchers as many have pledged, that if at the autumn statement or the spring budget next year , the chancellor raises next year, the chancellor raises the total share of gdp that is, taxation . it's currently 37, the taxation. it's currently 37, the highest it's been for many, many

years . if taxation goes up in years. if taxation goes up in the next big fiscal statement, those mps have pledged to not vote with their government. now but he's not going to do that in an election year, is he? well, let's see. let's see. he certainly said today that he wasn't going you know, he was wasn't going to you know, he was pushing back against the idea that conservative parties that the conservative parties can taxes. i don't think can cut taxes. i don't think that means that he won't cut taxes before the general election. i it's election. i think it's a function of timing . i think hunt function of timing. i think hunt and sunak , what they want to do and sunak, what they want to do is want to save the big is they want to save the big tory tax cut, the clear blue water as near to the next water for as near to the next general election as they possibly can after years of possibly can after 13 years of taking to the highest tax taking us to the highest tax burden since so that means burden since 1951. so that means not in the november statement, as truss and her acolytes as liz truss and her acolytes want, possibly in the spring want, but possibly in the spring and thoughts on the hunt speech , the hunt speech, the , i thought the hunt speech, the centrepiece speech, centrepiece of the hunt speech, of was raising the of course, was raising the minimum well that's very minimum wage. well that's very easy for a government to do in line with inflation because businesses for that extra businesses pay for that extra minimum wage, and medium minimum wage, small and medium sized enterprises in particular,

that often pay the minimum wage in hospitality , pubs, in hospitality, pubs, restaurants and so on. they're the ones that will have to foot that bill, he said he wants to freeze the size of the civil service, but apart from that it was thin gruel. nigel was pretty thin gruel. nigel only lasted minutes. i was only lasted 15 minutes. i was amazed at how short it was and i know jeremy hunt well. he's quite an eloquent guy, despite his sometimes robotic delivery. it felt to me as if this was a speech that had been written by committee and that thinks it shows me how nervous downing street is. >> well, let's let's get on to the conservative party. lord frost . i the conservative party. lord frost. i mean, the conservative party. lord frost . i mean, there was frost. i mean, there was a battle for ideas going on, which in one way was very refreshing today. the party is split on today. but the party is split on every single issue. its split on hs2, on zero. half the party hs2, on net zero. half the party still doesn't believe in brexit. i mean, you're all over the place, aren't you? >> well, we i think the philosophical bounds of conservatism bit wide conservatism has got a bit wide in recent years. >> we definitely we definitely need to . need to. >> oh dear. >> oh dear. >> oh dear. dear >> oh dear. dear . >> oh dear. dear . oh >> oh dear. dear . oh dear. >> oh dear. oh dear. oh dear. down. we need to narrow down. we

need to give people what the activists want, what i want. >> but what people at the growth rally wanted, which is a bit of the old religion which is what we know delivers result, what delivers growth, which is cutting cutting spending , cutting tax, cutting spending, small estate deregulation on lifting some of the burden of net zero. and yes , the subjects net zero. and yes, the subjects that weren't talked about, which were immigration and brexit and brexit. b rexit. >> brexit. >> brexit, no . talk about fringe >> brexit, no. talk about fringe meetings , talking about brexit, meetings, talking about brexit, but almost no talk on the stage about arguably the one real achievement of this government since 2019. i put it to you that half of your party are embarrassed by brexit, but i do think that some of the party's embarrassed by brexit and it is a great, great pity because it is becoming established outside this room that that brexit is somehow failing and it is not true. >> we've seen from the economic figures in the last few weeks that growth is much higher than people thought. investment is

well above its 2019 level. we've got good trade programmes going ahead. got good trade programmes going ahead . what we need to do is ahead. what we need to do is explain and we need to use the benefits . we need to use this benefits. we need to use this legislative freedom to deregulate, to boost growth and control the borders . control the borders. >> but it's linked, david, to the other elephant in the room net migration is running at all time records. there is no prospect of it going down. and this is without even discussing what's happening in the english channel where, by the way, 900 have in the last three days have come in the last three days and more going to come and there are more going to come tomorrow. the reason people think brexit is failing is because one of the functions of a sovereign state is the ability to control your borders . the to control your borders. the basic promise and belief that by voting for brexit, we would be in control and the numbers have gone up. you see why there's gone up. can you see why there's such disappointment red wall? >> i absolutely can. i share it. immigration an legal illegal is too high. it is far too high and we need to bring it down. and illegal immigration is within

our powers. the government decides the conditions for visas . i know it can change that if it wishes and it needs to change it wishes and it needs to change it , not necessarily with a snap it, not necessarily with a snap of the finger , but we need a of the finger, but we need a programme to get it down very, very dramatically in the next year or two. >> the truth guise of >> isn't the truth guise of what's really going on here that sunak's made some comments over the course of the last couple of weeks. it's seen that the labour lead perhaps is a bit softer than we believed before, but most here, mps most delegates here, most mps realistically they can't realistically know they can't win election. isn't win the next election. isn't what's really happening here a battle what the party is battle for what the party is going to after an election defeat? >> i think that's true. nigel. when and i were the when you and i were the conservative democratic organisation dinner last night, priti patel gave a speech in which she lauded gb news nice. yeah, but it was basically a leadership pitch for who is going to control the post. sunak party. and in the interviews you did there with delegates , which did there with delegates, which you showed, it was interesting that the older people, many of whom will have conservative voting friends, thought they

could win. but the younger people in many ways are a lot more representative. many of them have votes, friends them have votes, have friends who aren't conservative voters, and they think that they're going lose. look in the last going to lose. look in the last few weeks, sunak has actually started to do some politics. he started to do some politics. he started to do some politics. he started to get beyond. i want to be nicey nice to everybody and be nicey nice to everybody and be a grown up. and he started to make some decision. ins. the art of political leadership is understanding that you're going to people you to annoy some people when you make decisions. bringing the ban on petrol and diesel cars, pushing it back to 2035, allowing drilling in the north sea, all of these things annoy the johnsons . they annoy the the johnsons. they annoy the political and media class . but a political and media class. but a lot of the silent majority out there across the uk will think , there across the uk will think, well, that's probably the right thing to do . so he started to thing to do. so he started to show some kind of grown up leadership . it's probably too leadership. it's probably too little, too late. they probably are going to lose , but at least are going to lose, but at least now i think delegates feel there's something to fight for. lord frost, final word to you. >> he turn around?

>> can he turn it around? >> can he turn it around? >> i he can turn it >> i think he can turn it around. if he does the right things. a conservative things. we need a conservative vision. country going vision. how is the country going to different under to be different under conservative need conservative leadership? we need the hope they do the tax cuts. i hope they do come in march. we need a proper energy proper look at energy policy, proper look at net zero fracking. there is no shortage things do. oh no, shortage of things to do. oh no, you need to do it in 12 months. >> we've got gentlemen, thank you very much indeed. >> in a moment, we're going to discuss something going on in our schools where we're literally indoctrinated kids to welcome people who cross the engush welcome people who cross the english channel and it's all being paid with tax payers being paid for with tax payers money. good enough. see money. it's not good enough. see you two minutes

radio. >> well, over the course of the last two years doing this show, we have been very critical of much of what's gone on within our education system. my view that our kids are being from a very early right the way very early age right the way through university being indoctrinated, but this is a new

one on me. it's the concept of sanctuary schools . charlie sanctuary schools. charlie peters, our investigative reporter, will tell us all. charlie, what have you found? >> we've been looking into this network called the schools of sanctuary network. it's part of a wider thing the city of a wider thing called the city of sanctuary now it sanctuary charity. now it campaigns it campaigns against what it describes hostile immigration describes as hostile immigration rhetoric and policies. it's a network of over 400 schools across britain, where it describes itself as engaging in collaboration and understanding between school children and refugees. it says its work is completely non—political. however, gb news has looked through the schools involved in that 400 strong family and found evidence of some controversial actions active committees and engagement by these schools. in one example, a school in lewisham conducted a march on whitehall after the schools of sanctuary network encouraged them to speak up against the government's illegal migration bill in a nursery in brighton in sussex, we heard that nursery toys were reordered in order to, quote, fit the experience of

colour. another example staff at a nursery were boasting towards the schools of sanctuary network that they'd put their staff through unconscious bias training, anti—racism training. and finally we also saw some examples of schools engaging in activities described by the schools of sanctuary network as befriending days where refugees and asylum seekers were invited to meet with school children and one school we saw the local town council had actually spent taxpayers money to engage and support that event. >> clearly, overtly political. miriam cates, mp for penistone and stocksbridge. i'm kind of you know, charlie says all this and i'm kind of not even surprised. >> yes, i agree. and i've not heard of this specific example before , but i'm very well aware before, but i'm very well aware of other ideologies being pushed in schools, gender, ideology , in schools, gender, ideology, critical race theory. and i think this speaks a much think this speaks to a much wider picture , doesn't it? and wider picture, doesn't it? and in democracy , making sure in a democracy, making sure children are not politically indoctrinated is a basic foundation. you know, it's a foundation. you know, it's a foundation. stone of any democracy that parents can send

their children to school and know they're to be taught know they're going to be taught to taught write, but to read and taught to write, but not doctrine, baited with not in doctrine, baited with controversial political ideas. and think upon time we and i think once upon a time we might not might have thought that not indoctrinating children meant don't children, don't say to children, vote conservative say conservative or don't say vote laboun conservative or don't say vote labour. but actually the contest now is around ideas and the thoughts immigration, thoughts about immigration, about gender. these are the politically contested space and it's absolutely wrong and probably for illegal schools to be putting these points of view. is illegal? is it illegal? >> is it illegal? well, think >> is it illegal? well, i think it because education act it is because the education act makes clear that you cannot makes very clear that you cannot indoctrinate a child and these specific issues are politically controversial. >> are political. >> they are political. you cannot present those ideas to children. but charlie peters. >> charlie peters keeps finding examples of this that are happening . and miriam, with happening. and miriam, with respect, you happening. and miriam, with respect , you guys happening. and miriam, with respect, you guys have happening. and miriam, with respect , you guys have been happening. and miriam, with respect, you guys have been in power for 13 years this power for 13 years and this level of indoctrination has accelerated during that time. what's wrong with your party? >> well, what's wrong with the western world, nigel? because i don't want make too many don't want to make too many excuses my party, but focus excuses for my party, but focus on no, and i do on your. yeah. no, and i do agree . there are no excuses. we

agree. there are no excuses. we should have sorted this out. but if do more broadly if you do look more broadly around the west, these, these ideologies taken over ideologies have taken over educational establishments ideologies have taken over educattheil establishments ideologies have taken over educattheil estai it's1ments ideologies have taken over educattheil estai it's1me|just across the west. it's not just in think in this country, but i think there's several here. there's several problems here. firstly is a complete inability to this as political. to recognise this as political. now that most now you and i know that most people the country think that people in the country think that immigration you immigration is too high. you know, that's position. but know, that's our position. but many polling the many people, the polling of the sunday times yesterday was ovennhelming, is absolutely incontrovertible . but lots of incontrovertible. but lots of people schools and in people working in schools and in left wing establishments, in universities think that the universities think that it's the other around, that all other way around, that all people more immigration and people want more immigration and they think it's okay tell they think it's okay to tell children about this and to make them is a big them see that this is a big moral that we need moral problem, that we need more, more immigration. so i think there's a genuine failure to recognise this as controversial also controversial bill. but i also think just a total lack think there's just a total lack of enforcement in area of enforcement in this area because ofsted schools because ofsted inspect schools and say, okay, you know, and they say, okay, you know, you're your maths gcse, you're passing your maths gcse, you're passing your maths gcse, you're your english, but you're passing your english, but they look at at these they don't look at all at these kind issues. are there kind of issues. are there political in school? political issues in school? and i on education committee i asked on education committee a few weeks ago that to soon be head of ofsted, you know what

have you done about this? and he said, oh, i've never seen this in my career. isn't the truth. how can you not have seen the truth of it that boris johnson in posh boys stayed in the posh boys stayed in control conservative control of the conservative party? metropolitans, their >> their metropolitans, their politically didn't >> their metropolitans, their politithey didn't >> their metropolitans, their politi they to didn't >> their metropolitans, their politithey to take didn't >> their metropolitans, their politithey to take thesel't have the guts to take these issues on. >> do think that certain >> well, i do think that certain members of the political establishment, like, establishment, if you like, think in your think it's unsavoury in your party, in my party and in others, think it's unsafe to take on. i do think that's take this on. i do think that's true. is quite difficult to true. it is quite difficult to talk about. we've seen what happens people they do happens to people when they do speak these issues. speak out about these issues. and is a big and i'm sure that that is a big part it. but, you know, we part of it. but, you know, we can't leave this any longer. we have to sort out. and, you have to sort it out. and, you know, there are increasing number of mps up on number of mps speaking up on this. for this. we are pushing for guidance schools. but the guidance in schools. but at the moment, as you say, it seems to be getting worse. >> yeah. and frankly, i don't think government will think a labour government will make it may make make it any better. it may make it but it's it marginally worse, but it's difficult frankly, difficult to tell frankly, between charlie peters between the two. charlie peters what the schools, schools of what are the schools, schools of sanctuaries schools sanctuaries say? schools of sanctuary they reject sanctuary said that they reject any this is political any claim that this is political work, that they network,

work, that they are a network, that engages understanding that engages in understanding and that engages in understanding ancand what we're hearing about >> and what we're hearing about how of course, how many mps are, of course, resisting of resisting the spread of progressive ideology in schools. we do know that the schools of sanctuary is reliant on funding from grants and ngos to sustain its work. it received £50,000 from the paul hamlyn foundation in a pro—migration campaigning group last year. the paul hamlyn foundation had recently received £1.36 million in government grants . so there is a case grants. so there is a case possibly here to say that the government is, while it says it's opposing progressive ideologies in schools through the channels of money the back channels of money supporting the back channels of money supand ng the back channels of money supand the sadness for me here >> and the sadness for me here in manchester is that miriam and what she stands for is actually where most conservative members are conference, where are at this conference, where most voters are, most conservative voters are, where majority of parents are where a majority of parents are in country. the sadness is in this country. the sadness is that miriam is actually in a minority in her own parliamentary party. i'm not going to allow her to answer that she can't. she that because she can't. she knows i'm right, aren't i? >> well, if you will allow me to have the last word. we had a rally this afternoon for the new

conservatives for conservatives rally for the manifesto. the biggest cheer manifesto. and the biggest cheer was for nick fletcher, said was for nick fletcher, who said that have the that parents should have the legal right to see what their children being taught in children are being taught in schools. the schools. and that was the biggest cheer whole biggest cheer of the whole event. is starting to event. and it is starting to capture the grassroots there. >> the >> there's no problem with the conservative membership that wasn't about. wasn't what i was talking about. it mps. thank you very it was the mps. thank you very much for joining it was the mps. thank you very much forjoining us. in much indeed forjoining us. in a moment, we'll look at claire coutinho's speech. we'll ask have really changed have the tories really changed policy on net zero is itjust policy on net zero or is it just a term sop to voters

radio. now, net zero, very much in the news over the course of the last couple of weeks. >> the prime minister making some adjustments to their policies, which seen them go policies, which has seen them go up in the polls. here policies, which has seen them go up in the polls . here was energy up in the polls. here was energy secretary claire coutinho speaking in the hall earlier on today . today. >> the transition to clean energy should be a cause of optimism for the country. it

should mean jobs and opportunities and pride that we are playing our part in a global challenge . however, for too many challenge. however, for too many people , it had started to feel people, it had started to feel like an intolerable cost at a time when, after the last few years they felt they could least afford it . across europe, we are afford it. across europe, we are seeing the consequences when the pubuc seeing the consequences when the public feel that they are being forced into the wrong decisions forced into the wrong decisions for their homes and their families . as in germany , the families. as in germany, the climate sceptic afd is now polling in second position in europe's largest economy in france over a quarter of people think that climate change is a conspiracy kwasi and in the netherlands, the rise of a new net zero sceptic party stormed their local elections . their local elections. meanwhile, in the uk, only 7% of people think net zero is going to be good for them and their

family in the near term . so that family in the near term. so that was claire coutinho talking about the intolerable cost of many net zero policies. >> well, i wonder whether they've been listening to my next guest . yes, it's our old next guest. yes, it's our old friend clive moffatt , our energy friend clive moffatt, our energy guru former governor guru and former governor advisor. clive, when it comes to some of the changes they've made a bit of realism coming in a little bit, yes . little bit, yes. >> but it's tinkering at and we've had a slight delay in electrification of heat and transport help consumers in the short term, but it's not going to do anything in terms of the longer term costs of net zero, because the big elephant in the room on this, which they haven't approached and not even discussed today, is the electric is the is the decarbonisation of the electricity system. >> by taking gas out altogether by 2035. now now that is totally unrealistic . i by 2035. now now that is totally unrealistic. i think by 2035. now now that is totally unrealistic . i think it's unrealistic. i think it's unrealistic. i think it's unrealistic for three main

reasons. one, we're not going to have enough renewable energy on the system to replace the demise of coal . the ageing gas reactors of coal. the ageing gas reactors and the ageing nuclear reactors . and secondly, we don't have any infrastructure to get the wind power to where it's needed. >> well, this is why they need to build huge pylons all over suffolk into london and the suffolk into london and all the rest we've had no rest of it. we've had no coherent that. coherent plan for that. >> had statements from >> we've had statements from national saying that it national grid saying that it would billions of pounds in would be billions of pounds in money to spend , but we've had no money to spend, but we've had no coherent plan about how timing and whatever developers are saying to grid, we won't build any more offshore wind farms, not least because the contract price is too low, as you know, because the auction fell completely , but also because we completely, but also because we don't have the infrastructure . don't have the infrastructure. and just to give you an idea about what this means in terms of cost in green levies and taxation , potentially, is the taxation, potentially, is the constraint cost, i.e. when we're

producing wind, we can't use it on the grid . now let's just on the grid. now let's just going to go from 100 million to 1.5 billion. >> i want to slow you down there, slow you down there to explain to the viewers and listeners, could constraint costs , clive, what costs basically, clive, what you're saying when the wind's you're saying is when the wind's blowing too much, we pay the wind farms not to give us energy because we can't do anything with the power that they're delivering because it's intermittent too intermittent energy. it's too much when we need it, not much when we don't need it, not enough often when need it. enough often when we do need it. so short , we've seen what so in short, we've seen what appeared to the public to be a big change, change in policy. but the basic strategy remains the same. we're going to build a huge amount more of offshore wind farms and we've are they stuck to the belief that wind energy can save us? >> i think they have to be bold if they wish to politically draw the line between themselves and laboun the line between themselves and labour, they have to be much bolder. my i believe. why is it that we've had a delay on electric cars yet? we still have

these sales targets imposed upon manufacturers? it's a bit like i thought last time i looked, i thought last time i looked, i thought we were in a market economy. i mean, here we have a government basically saying to a manufacturer, you will sell x product even though the consumer doesn't want it. yeah i mean, same with heat pumps. >> same with heat pumps, isn't it? >> it's the same with heat pumps. so i think one has to be bold. my view is that they should have said we will. in fact, take we will should have said we will. in fact , take we will not have should have said we will. in fact, take we will not have this deadune fact, take we will not have this deadline targets. we will allow the consumers to adjust their requirement if they want electric car or a heat pump, they can adapt to that when they can afford it and when it's realistic for them to do so. that's that's what i think we should do on that, because that would also take the sting out of everybody's talking in the business about, oh, are we going to have a 50% increase in electricity demand by 2030, 100% by 2050? yeah. the main driver behind that is electrification .

behind that is electrification. so you don't want to speed up electrification when in fact, as i've just said earlier, we don't have enough power. >> and next week the labour party conference, they're position similar . position similar. >> well, their position is we're going to decouple urbanise by 2030, which is even seven years away . there's no infrastructure, away. there's no infrastructure, there's not enough renewable energy and some stage it's going to be the political realisation when the labour party is that they're not going to be able to afford any of this because the green levy bill and potentially the tax bill is going to be very, very high. what we should be, what this government should be, what this government should be doing if it really wants to have a hope of driving a wedge in that and creating a dividing line is to say we're going to not have a draconian targets on consumption , on heat and consumption, on heat and transport and we're going to put a suspension . on the a suspension. on the decarbonisation of the system . decarbonisation of the system. um, until we have a full cost benefit analysis by an

independent body post—election . independent body post—election. >> and then there might be a choice for voters at the next, then may also be one more then there may also be one more important then there may also be one more import on which we haven't >> go on which we haven't discussed, changing discussed, which is a changing market governance they market governance of how they manage, energy market manage, how the energy market is actually governed. we've had a climate change committee which is basically keeps putting fonnard unrealistic and unaffordable plans. you've had ofgem, which is more in favour now of looking after energy suppliers, liquidity than it is consumers . and you have consumers. and you have a national grid which basically every now and then throws up its hands and says, we don't know what we're going to do about balancing the system . so balancing the system. so i suggest time has come . and suggest we time has come. and you've heard me before on this . you've heard me before on this. we an independent we should have an independent strategic energy authority and we should have an independent st should energy authority and we should have an independent st should belrgy authority and we should have an independent st should be tasked .hority and it should be tasked post—election with coming up with a trajectory which is much more affordable. and it's such a vital subject. >> clive moffat , brilliant as >> clive moffat, brilliant as even >> clive moffat, brilliant as ever. thank you. now what the farage moment the chancellor today talked about have a little guess de—banking didn't of course, mention my name . that

course, mention my name. that would be far too inconvenient, but have a listen to jeremy hunt on de—banking . on de—banking. >> but i'm going to surprise you with one equality and diversity initiative of my own . and trust initiative of my own. and trust me, you'll like this one. nobody should have their bank account closed because somebody else decides they're not politically correct . we'll tighten the law correct. we'll tighten the law to stop people being debunked for the wrong political views . for the wrong political views. >> what he's absolutely right. of course, that de—banking for political opinions is wrong. but there are many aspects to there are so many aspects to this . would you believe it? the this. would you believe it? the falkland islands have a stand at this conference and i spoke earlier to roger spink from the falkland islands and they're being debunked as well . this is being debunked as well. this is the falkland islands stall now , the falkland islands stall now, you know, it's a funny thing . you know, it's a funny thing. it's 40 years ago, more 41 years ago since the conflict. and a lot's happened since then. some economic regeneration of the

islands , oil, squid, etcetera . islands, oil, squid, etcetera. but would you believe it? i've struck upon a common issue that i've come across across the course of the last three months. this is a british dependent territory with british citizens living within it. but there is, rogen living within it. but there is, roger, a common problem , an roger, a common problem, an issue with banking and british citizens living in the falklands with only an address in the falklands. >> british banks are refusing to allow them to continue to have a uk bank account. there is no legal restriction. it is purely their internal systems that are they are saying that these people can no longer have bank accounts. >> are any banks helping with this? >> we have . this? >> we have. some bank managers seem to be more sympathetic than others, but in general, most banks now are closing accounts for citizens . british citizens for citizens. british citizens in the falkland islands . in the falkland islands. >> you see, i wasn't wrong. the banks are seriously bad news. and to think that 40 years ago

we sent a task force 8000 miles away at considerable loss of blood and money. and we're now treating british citizens like this. i think it's disgusting. what do you think ? once again, what do you think? once again, we must stand up for the people of the falkland islands as we do the other 1 of the falkland islands as we do the other1 million british people and businesses who've been debunked over the course of the last four years. i will keep this campaign going. it may well take for a final thought take years for a final thought in this segment on ukraine, we understand that ben wallace , who understand that ben wallace, who is leaving, left the government leaving parliament, to leaving parliament, wanted us to put further billion into put a further 2 billion into ukraine. but what i thought was really significant and almost missed over the weekend was an interview with the new defence secretary, grant shapps. we are now going to send british troops s wearing uniform to ukraine. they'll be there to train ukrainians. but i would suggest this is a mistake. i would suggest this risks escalation. all it needs is a russian drone

to take out a position with british soldiers in uniform and then, goodness knows where it leads to. i don't mind us training ukrainians here in the country. i believe it's a step too far. nobody else will say it . nobody else is talking about it in a moment, i'll be joined by professor matt goodwin and by gb christopher hope. gb news own christopher hope. when analyse how well is the conference going and realistically could they come back to win the next election

well, it's monday evening and the main events are over. but so much to look fonnard to tomorrow andindeed much to look fonnard to tomorrow and indeed the prime minister's speech which will come on wednesday. joined by wednesday. i'm joined by professor goodwin of professor matt goodwin and of course a man that's been doing a lot of polling and coming on this show regularly the this show regularly over the course few months. course of the last few months. and gb news christopher and gb news own christopher hope, editor , sir hope, our political editor, sir christopher i'm struck by christopher hope. i'm struck by a couple of things. i was here last night at the conservative

democratic organisation dinner. the splits within the parliamentary party are truly astonishing. >> they haven't gone away because the members here around the stand voted for two leaders who were forced out by by the mps . so we have got rishi sunak mps. so we have got rishi sunak with no real no real right to be prime minister. may that that position mps. liz truss is an position by mps. liz truss is an event. so across the way in the hotel i've been at tonight talk people have been lauded by people have been lauded by people . she she cheered people. she was she was cheered to rafters with her speech there. >> was there earlier. there. >> yeah. there earlier. there. >> yeah. make earlier. grow again >> yeah. make britain grow again you trumpian. your old you know pure trumpian. your old pal, your old pal mp saying to me, this isn't so much a u—turn as a roundabout on hs2 today. of course , to rewind, remind course, to rewind, remind viewers about this one. this whether we get this leg from from birmingham to manchester or not, we're not it's not clear tonight. saying tonight. they're saying no, no decision if you take a decision made. but if you take a step helicopter view of decision made. but if you take a stejcountryielicopter view of decision made. but if you take a stejcountry ,>licopter view of decision made. but if you take a stejcountry , if:opter view of decision made. but if you take a stejcountry , if thatlr view of decision made. but if you take a stejcountry , if that doesn'tf the country, if that doesn't happen, the tory happen, the government, the tory government billions government has spent billions tunnelling under beauty spots and to birmingham and and they get to birmingham and they of how does they run out of money. how does that the north? yeah.

that look to the north? yeah. how it look? how does it look? >> but also, christopher hope the they won't answer the fact that they won't answer the fact that they won't answer the question, mean, it the question, i mean, is it going come in sunak going to come in rishi sunak speech? won't say tonight. speech? they won't say tonight. >> and i've been with a lot of them tonight. i've been very, very senior people tonight from the government who would know. and made and they say no decision made yet when yet of course, it's like when you to go a you when you decide to go to a party go, haven't party or you go, you haven't made choice you've made that choice till you've told you're going. told your wife you're going. so maybe at that point you haven't told going yet. told anyone you're going yet. nigel they nigel but as things stand, they haven't decided. it's an haven't decided. i think it's an autumn issue , what autumn statement issue, what they're doing, they're looking at doing, probably, might it probably, but it might be. it might well i in the probably, but it might be. it migh'speech i in the probably, but it might be. it migh'speech on in the probably, but it might be. it migh'speech on wednesday,e probably, but it might be. it migh'speech on wednesday, what pm's speech on wednesday, what they're pm's speech on wednesday, what they'rnto repurpose 10 going to repurpose the 10 billion they're from billion they're saving from that into and into things around the north and trying that, do it that trying to do that, do it that way. trying to do that, do it that waybut trying to do that, do it that way but actually trying to do that, do it that waybut actually actually if >> but well actually actually if they spent a fraction of the money connection from money with a connection from hull across to blackpool , which hull across to blackpool, which took in leeds, manchester, or maybe a bit off to liverpool, that would be money better spent anyway. >> and there are andy burnham told week on gb news told us last week on gb news there at top there are some gaps at the top of route which are hs2 gaps of that route which are hs2 gaps so he that money to so that he needs that money to make those make to make that make those joining goodwin that i'm aware

>> matt goodwin that i'm aware of over the 48 hours here, of over the last 48 hours here, you know, we miriam cates in you know, we had miriam cates in earlier there were people earlier and there were people like are darlings like that who are darlings of the split the conference. but the split between the membership and the centre ground of the parliamentary party is astonishing. >> it's enormous . and the thing >> it's enormous. and the thing that i've really observed at this conference, the parliamentary party, i think is completely out of touch with where conservative members and activists and crucially me, nigel, those 2019 voters are. it's visible on immigration, it's visible on crime , it's it's visible on crime, it's visible on brexit, it's visible on woke ideology and the need to push back against that. the mps, most of the mps i speak to say this is beneath us. we're not interested in the cultural stuff. most of the members and the activists and the voters are saying, and we saw that poll this week for first time, this week for the first time, 2019, conservatives saying 2019, conservatives are saying immigration is more important to them than the economy, than the economy . economy. >> you been saying this for months been months and months. i've been saying it for years. >> you first say 20 >> you were first to say 20 years. your youtube videos,

years. and your youtube videos, you and there's you know, you were and there's two here because two things happened here because they people came they previously people came through they were through the tunnel. they were told the shipping lane was through the tunnel. they were tolc dangerous hipping lane was through the tunnel. they were tolcdangerous anding lane was through the tunnel. they were tolc dangerous and thatane was through the tunnel. they were tolc dangerous and that was was through the tunnel. they were tolc dangerous and that was shut too dangerous and that was shut off covid. so they thought, off by covid. so they thought, well, the market's still there, let's move the let's try and move across the channel. can channel. oh, hang on. you can get with loss of get there with some loss of life, get there. and life, but you can get there. and that's but that's what's happened. but i think the problem got is think the problem you've got is that tories nor that neither the tories nor labour about labour wanted to talk about small boats because neither have got hang on, got a good answer. hang on, hang on that. on one second on that. >> only the small >> it's not only the small boats. it's legal. the legal migration, 606,000. now, if you look at the that's the choice. if you look at polling right if you look at the polling right now, we're in control, disastrous for the conservatives. >> it it's you >> no, it is. it's odd. you know, many ways. in many ways know, in many ways. in many ways , my presence here for the last 48 hours has been very interesting because i've not been inside the security of been inside the security zone of a tory conference since the late 80s , and i wasn't sure what 80s, and i wasn't sure what reaction i was going to get . a reaction i was going to get. a lot of members of parliament really pretty frosty, seeing me here amongst the dangerous nigel, amongst the activists near you, amongst the activists, i found myself very popular.

>> it'd be too about, you >> it'd be too nice about, you know , but it remind me a bit know, but it did remind me a bit of cummings. i've seen of boris cummings. i've seen bofis of boris cummings. i've seen boris unscripted, boris appear unscripted, although half scripted. but not, you're saying. but people gather around him and you have this doughnut people and people doughnut of people and people look because believe doughnut of people and people lotsomethingecause believeve doughnut of people and people lotsomethingecause believe in in something and you believe in things membership things which the membership believe you believe in too. so they see you as and so many. as a and so many. >> and what's really interesting is people here. is so many young people here. yeah i mean, it was ovennhelmingly what i could see in the hall here, ovennhelmingly. >> is it time that you went the full hog and join the party? >> well, i couldn't join a party. i don't know what it stands . stands for. >> i don't think the conservative can even be conservative party can even be saved actually saved at this point. actually i think the big think if you look at the big issues about, issues that people care about, migration, , um, cost of migration, crime, um, cost of living crisis , we talk about living crisis, we talk about levelling up. i chris, every event i've been to is flat as a pancake. this is a party that has decided already knows it's going to lose the next election. i think because it's completely adrift with the rest of the country . country. >> and yet and yet at the liz

truss event at 12:30 today, there was a buzz. there was a real energy because here was here was a battle of ideas was that was going on. yeah this was a battle of ideas. it was almost like it was almost like a ukip meeting, you know , because meeting, you know, because everybody in the room below believed, you know, in this ideology of smaller government, lower taxes. >> it was tried by liz truss and fell apart because of the rush . fell apart because of the rush. you did it without any vetting . you did it without any vetting. that was her problem. >> she's not going away . >> she's not going away. >> she's not going away. >> no. and she should go away because would say, because the number 10 would say, why because i've why is she here? because if i've known, form of known, i've known any form of prime minister, let alone leader . hang such a presence. . hang on. be such a presence. >> here the people >> he's here because the people who paid good money to attend this conference voted for her. yeah so she's got every right to be here. talking of that , you be here. talking of that, you mentioned boris johnson a moment ago. there's one notable absentee from this conference andifs absentee from this conference and it's boris johnson . is he finished? >> no , he's not coming. the >> no, he's not coming. the

latest intel i have from team bofisis latest intel i have from team boris is that the chance in the in the shake up before next next years in the shake up before next next year's election? if it's october, november, if it's june, may or june when suddenly mps get knighthoods and then say they're leaving and then a northern seat becomes available and then there's a kind of acclamation getting in acclamation of him getting in there, gets back there, that's how he gets back until that point. might be until that point. so it might be a crucial a big it might be a crucial moment him to get back if he moment for him to get back if he wants to back when gets wants to come back when he gets acclaimed by members. and acclaimed by local members. and echr think, we want echr who think, yeah, we want him fight him on side to help fight the election because basically johnson is needed with sunak shows the south, johnson is shows up the south, johnson is the north with both of them working together. a working together. there's a chance can i can chance the tory party can i can i just sure that's i can i just i'm not sure that's true anymore. i can i just i'm not sure that's tru(can(more. i can i just i'm not sure that's tru(can inore. i can i just i'm not sure that's tru(can i just. >> can i just. >> can i just. >> can i just. >> can i just back >> yeah. can i just push back against i was against that? i mean, i, i was talking an today about talking at an event today about bofis talking at an event today about boris johnson's legacy , and i boris johnson's legacy, and i was actually was arguing that actually johnson was not a conservative at all because i think if you look at what on look at what he did on migration, liberalised the migration, he liberalised the whole look at whole system. if you look at what levelling he what he did on levelling up, he didn't in seriously . didn't invest in it seriously. if what he did on if you look at what he did on the he let them go out

the borders, he let them go out of control. you look at he of control. you look at what he did he didn't did on inflation covid he didn't see that stuff coming. did on inflation covid he didn't swas that stuff coming. did on inflation covid he didn't swas arguing1at stuff coming. did on inflation covid he didn't swas arguing1at siactually ng. i was arguing that actually i don't johnson is an asset don't think johnson is an asset to why governed to that's why he governed for the whole country, matthew, because try and do because he's able to try and do the like his stick , but the north like his stick, but like the north english, you say not >> they did. >> they did. >> stick like this >> they did stick like this jokes and took big calls. jokes and he took the big calls. right. definitely right. you could definitely argue on covid. he took big argue on covid. he took the big calls on vaccine. right on. he led on ukraine. led the way on on ukraine. i mean, got he's got the mean, he has got he's got the big picture. right. >> absolutely did connect >> so he absolutely did connect with the north and connected with the north and connected with that. well, frankly, it was a vote, much it. and a ukip vote, much of it. and they vote for him. they were happy to vote for him. they was different they were happy to vote for him. theyyour was different they were happy to vote for him. theyyour support was different they were happy to vote for him. theyyour support was difyou1t with your support because you were know. were two candidates. you know. absolutely. is it still absolutely. and but is it still there? that's the hard thing. >> i'm not sure if he needs to and he wants to get involved. we >> i'm not sure if he needs to and hthatnts to get involved. we >> i'm not sure if he needs to and hthat we to get involved. we >> i'm not sure if he needs to and hthat we can.3t involved. we >> i'm not sure if he needs to and hthat we can.3t irwroted. we >> i'm not sure if he needs to and hthat we can.3t irwrote inwe know that we can. he wrote in the mail hs2. he the daily mail about hs2. he wants to try and he started the daily mail about hs2. he wantnow try and he started the daily mail about hs2. he wantnow getting he started the daily mail about hs2. he wantnow getting more started the daily mail about hs2. he wantnow getting more and rted the daily mail about hs2. he wantnow getting more and more he's now getting more and more political, think political, i think. i think he still wants work with with still he wants to work with with tim not sure sunaks tim sunak. i'm not sure sunaks people like all. they people like him at all. they seem problem because he people like him at all. they seerthis problem because he people like him at all. they seerthis absolute.em because he people like him at all. they seerthis absolute touchecause he people like him at all. they seerthis absolute touch .ause he people like him at all. they seerthis absolute touch . ijse he people like him at all. they seerthis absolute touch . i mean, has this absolute touch. i mean, who passes that? the rainy night in stoke sunak gets off ten

people are there. johnson gets off a lot more of them maybe even nigel gets off there's more than sunak i mean people want to feel inspired by politics. i hope . hope so. >> there is something going wrong sunak's ratings. wrong with sunak's ratings. they're the wrong they're going in the wrong direction the worst direction. he had the his worst leadership ratings last week since he became prime minister despite the net zero stuff, the net zero stuff went down well among some key conservative voters . but a lot of those 2019 voters. but a lot of those 2019 ers are looking at rishi sunak and saying , i ers are looking at rishi sunak and saying, i didn't vote for this guy. who is this guy? what's his mandate , you think as what's his mandate, you think as far as the next election is concerned, they're doomed? there's of there's no chance of conservatives are going to win the election . no chance. the next election. no chance. there's a 5% chance, chris. but i'll bet you £100 right now they lose the next election. >> oh , chris. >> oh, chris. >> oh, chris. >> let's go, nigel. >> let's go, nigel. >> now you give me your hand. >> now you give me your hand. >> so, chris, hope you think that a 92 is possible. >> i do think that. i think that keir starmer was meant to be kinnock preparing the ground for a wes streeting who would a wes streeting in 97. who would be course blair, think.

be of course a blair, i think. i think a lot of the dominoes are coming with coming back. we saw that with the observer the opinion poll in the observer yesterday. there's yesterday. i think there's a chance here if tory party chance here if the tory party and they aren't and i think that they aren't sure don't love starmer sure they don't love starmer enough him numbers . enough to give him the numbers. you a beer? enough to give him the numbers. youwell a beer? enough to give him the numbers. youwell .a beer? >> well. >> well. >> well, the bet's been downgraded, but the bet is the bet . and look, you know , bet. and look, you know, predicting the future in life is always risky and always very difficult. i even though keir starmer doesn't have the real pizzazz that blair had back in 97, i just think the level of disillusion with the conservatives in those red wall seats is too much to overcome. that's my own personal view. now, going around today, seeing the speeches in the hall and around the fringe, the most eloquent speaker that i heard today making the case for if you cut taxes is how it should be done. how regulation has stifled industries like our steel industry and done it so much damage . without doubt, the most damage. without doubt, the most eloquent speaker heard today eloquent speaker i heard today was gb news own sirjacob

was gb news own sir jacob rees—mogg . and let me tell you, rees—mogg. and let me tell you, gb views is very popular at this conference. so .jacob gb views is very popular at this conference. so . jacob well, conference. so. jacob well, typically i could hear everything absolutely clearly until nigel asked his question. >> so i don't know what his question was, but i'm going to say i'm going to be say what i'm going to be speaking about, which is the growth the growth agenda. all the communication lines were perfect until the question, but i'm going talking about what going to be talking about what liz was talking about and i was talking it's so talking about earlier. it's so important this important that we grow this economy . we cut we economy. we cut taxes, we deregulate . and that's what i deregulate. and that's what i will be summarising for gb news viewers later . on viewers later. on >> you see, there we are. there's the mog out with the great british public, out with conservative party members and absolutely coming alive and loving every minute of it. but before that, let's quickly get the weather by evening. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news bright and breezy sums up tomorrow a

bit of a grey start in the south and it will be some showers, particularly north particularly across the north and overnight some and the west. overnight some pretty heavy moving in a pretty heavy rain moving in a very soggy out right very soggy one out there right now this area low now thanks to this area of low pressure. intense pressure. some intense downpours, even the odd rumble of thunder likely over the midlands eastern parts of midlands and eastern parts of england over the next hours england over the next few hours could for could be very wet indeed for a time across parts of norfolk, especially . but that all tends especially. but that all tends to scoot away through the early hours. many places will become dry, certainly across scotland and northern ireland. some clear spells chilly here, spells a little chilly here, down but down to single figures, but staying quite mild across the south. temperatures may stay in the teens in the capital, but quite start to tuesday. quite a grey start to tuesday. still some outbreaks of rain over midlands, east over the east midlands, east anglia and the south—east potentially still for the potentially still around for the rush gradually pulling rush hour. gradually pulling away through the morning, then brighter skies, for brighter skies, showers for western and parts of western scots and parts of northern england. a few for wales and too . northern ireland wales and too. northern ireland but much of the south and east having a dry afternoon, having a largely dry afternoon, a feel. temperatures a fresher feel. temperatures mostly mid teens at best. mostly in the mid teens at best. and similarly on wednesday, the

winds a little lighter . on winds a little lighter. on wednesday, much of central and eastern england looking dry and bnght eastern england looking dry and bright , but eastern england looking dry and bright, but more wet eastern england looking dry and bright , but more wet weather bright, but more wet weather coming to northern scotland. coming in to northern scotland. and further south along the and then further south along the west coast, that could west coast, that rain could be quite heavy and could cause a little disruption coming into northern on. northern ireland later on. to further places dry further south, most places dry and bright, there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £201.05, or £306.85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible

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well. i'm doing a session. >> hello . good evening. it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight, we'll be bringing you two extra large helpings of the push for growth and tax cuts . while the and tax cuts. while the chancellor told breakfast with eamonn and isabel this morning, i don't think it's going to be possible to do any big tax cuts on the basis, first of all, of the public finances as we see them, because our debt interest payments have gone lot, but payments have gone up a lot, but also , no, because it would also, no, because it would compromise our battle against inflation. the former prime minister, elizabeth truss, said this later in the day .

this later in the day. >> i'm calling upon the chancellor for at the autumn statement to put corporation tax back down to 19. and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better with both of them. >> and i'm going to try and square the circle as we talk about this, as time goes on. this conference is a golden chance conservative chance to reignite conservative ism. britain's economy needs unleashed , saying we ought to unleashed, saying we ought to scrap death duties , reverse the scrap death duties, reverse the corporation rise so corporation tax rise so streamline wasteful whitehall, tackle the problem of 5.4 million working age people on out of work benefits and of course cancel, abolish , get rid course cancel, abolish, get rid of hs2 . and speaking of which, of hs2. and speaking of which, there's been much talk today suggesting that the prime minister could be set to announce the cancelling of the northern leg of high speed rail two that would come right here or would have come right here to the city of manchester. this would be a right step in the long march of cutting waste so as taxes . and finally, as to cut taxes. and finally, are the british empire. it's under attack in response to the