the sunak is expected to address the issue at the tory party conference this week . well, the conference this week. well, the chancellor today announced plans to freeze the expansion of the civil service and reduce its numbers to pre—pandemic levels . numbers to pre—pandemic levels. dunng numbers to pre—pandemic levels. during a speech at conservative party conference in manchester today , jeremy hunt said it would today, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year. meanwhile he also announced tougher benefit sanctions on those who are capable of working but choose not to. and a national living wage rise to £11 an hour for and liz truss called on the chancellor to cut corporation tax from 25 to 19% in his next autumn statement . speaking at a autumn statement. speaking at a fringe rally at conference earlier on today, the former prime minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. her comments came after jeremy hunt told gb news recently no substantial tax cuts were possible. this year. ms truss said businesses are now choosing not to locate in the uk and they

shouldn't be treated like a cash cow . now a news away from cow. now a news away from politics for a second. police force is investigating allegations against the comedian russell brand . in a statement, russell brand. in a statement, thames valley police said it's received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. they added it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation . it ongoing investigation. it follows a joint investigation by the sunday times and channel 4 for russell brand denies all accusations of criminality . accusations of criminality. pretty bad weather tonight. thunderstorms set to batter the country throughout the evening as well . the met office issuing as well. the met office issuing as well. the met office issuing a yellow weather warning for areas right across the uk, particularly in southern and central eastern parts . there are central eastern parts. there are currently two dozen flood warnings in place in east anglia and the met office has warned of intense downpours, lightning and gusty winds, downpours expected

as well for the rest of the week with yellow storm warnings over parts of the uk until friday. and because of that bad weather, saw a huge fireball was seen in the skies over oxfordshire after a large explosion. if you're watching on television, take a look at this video which has been searching, circulating on social media of the fire lighting up, the night sky erupting after lightning struck a bio gas tank at a processing plant north of the city during a storm this evening. emergency services were immediately deployed to the scene. no reports of any injuries . you reports of any injuries. you with gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel .

britain's news channel. >> hello and welcome to headliners . headliners. >> i'm simon evans joining me tonight to wax lyrical on tuesday's news papers, we have news rappers dj paul cox and mixmaster nick. >> nick mc mixmaster, nick dixon. >> that was tough. they put that into the first passage. did you write that yourself ? write that yourself? >> no, i did not. >> no, i did not. >> never seen that before. >> never seen that before. >> give myself >> yeah, i don't give myself lots of x's and speak o's. >> yeah, i wouldn't want to misspeak on the tv. that can go wrong . wrong. >> let's have a look at tuesday's front pages. >> we have the daily mail to kick us off. >> britain is the best country to be black in says kemi. that's worth an option worth considering. the guardian sunak accused of cancelling the future with climbdown over hs2. that is not him pictured there. the sun . shirley i'm afraid to leave the house. don't know which shirley that is. >> maybe we'll come to on that telegraph transgender women to be banned from female wards and

liz truss, pictured there laughing as well she might the wounds have healed. >> the express rishi's path to victory by delivering what's best for britain and the daily star skunks done a bunk as usual , an outlier. those were your front pages as . so firstly, front pages as. s0 firstly, bizarrely , we're going to the bizarrely, we're going to the guardian rather than the skunk story. >> paul i hope they've got it lined up later. >> we are. i'm not laughing at anything i'm about to say. okay. so accused of cancelling so sunak accused of cancelling the cancelling the future with climbdown on hs2. now this is not something he's actually said yet. >> this is something that most people, commentators believe that he's going to say within his keynote speech later in the week. >> and from my perspective, my gut feel has always been on this that a great britain would maintain its commitment to deliver hs2. the reason i say

thatis deliver hs2. the reason i say that is because i'm acutely aware that it costs a tremendous amount of money and that it's probably not particularly affordable for any government at any point. but ultimately i think that we would we should deliver this in order to connect britain in the best way possible , even for future generations, even if we don't see this ourselves. simon that's quite interesting , paul, because interesting, paul, because almost panellist and almost every other panellist and every discussion i've had every other discussion i've had about since i've been about hs2 since i've been on this people have been this show, people have been sceptical it. people have sceptical about it. people have joked, , why you joked, obviously, why would you want to birmingham in want to get to birmingham in five of five minutes faster? and of course that is a slightly mean spirited joke in many other respects. birmingham has a history been squished history of having been squished deliberately by westminster over , especially in the 1950s and 60s. i think it's economic and industrial development was deliberately restrained for the benefit north rather than benefit of the north rather than for the benefit of westminster. so know, so there is a lot of you know, there's generally a of there's generally a lot of cynicism whole cynicism about the whole thing, but equally i also notice people sharing statistics. now you might have seen these nick suggesting more suggesting just how much more quickly in quickly and efficiently and in expensive that they can build

800 miles of high speed rail in china for instance. and we have to why it expensive here? >> yeah, feel like we're not >> yeah, i feel like we're not keeping up with china in so ways. >> did you see thing the >> did you see that thing the other chinese other day where the chinese delegate he delegate was just saying he doesn't see britain like doesn't even see britain as like a a serious a serious threat or a serious country? we're in many country? well, we're not in many regards, have regards, although we do have some centres excellence. and regards, although we do have so course tres excellence. and regards, although we do have so course ,'es excellence. and regards, although we do have so course , financial. llence. and regards, although we do have so course , financial. thece. and of course, financial. the trouble when you're a stand trouble is when you're a stand up tend to end up up comedian, you tend to end up arriving you after arriving places, you know, after dark you get the dark and, you know, you get the worst of it, don't you? walk worst of it, don't you? you walk from station through from the train station through the precinct, the if i were shopping precinct, you selfishly. i the if i were shopping precinct, you still selfishly. i the if i were shopping precinct, you still sgigs1ly. i the if i were shopping precinct, you still sgigs1ly. around was still doing gigs all around the like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because you, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because you cannot get need hs2 because you cannot get anywhere around country. anywhere around this country. it's that's one it's a nightmare. that's one reason like, i'm with reason i was like, i'm done with doing gigs i just doing all those gigs and i just doing all those gigs and i just do in london, so now i do this now in london, so now i don't and selfishly, don't care. and selfishly, i want the 100 billion. a lot want the 100 billion. but a lot of have for of people have said, for instance, tiny instance, you could spend a tiny fraction vastly fraction of that and vastly improve the networks across improve the 5g networks across all the rail lines in the country. and for people who are travelling for business, that would actually make train journeys , you know, journeys, you know, moot. really? yeah i think the really? yeah. yeah i think the trouble with this is there's there will always be some whataboutery you can take that

is an incredible amount of money and you can up and you can, you can come up with amount with an infinite amount of things spend it on. we can things to spend it on. we can clone for instance. we could, we could, we could know could, we could you know we could, we could you know we could to be could just if you wanted to be like in manchester and london, you clone yourself. that's you could clone yourself. that's a point. we just infinite. a great point. we just infinite. simon across the country simon evans across the country which who wouldn't want that but we keep we i think we need to look at britain as a whole rather than britain as a north and south. do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, somebody with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, somebody told that. moving on, somebody told me about the harrowing of the north recently. i hadn't heard about it before. did you know about it before. did you know about that? sounds like of about that? sounds like game of thrones. william the conqueror is really is terrible. they never really recovered. is terrible. they never really recov moving to the daily that. moving on to the daily mail are leading mail. what are they leading with? they've got. with? nick what they've got. >> the best country >> britain is the best country to black says to be black in, says kemi. >> is, course, kemi >> and this is, of course, kemi badenoch, business secretary >> and we've lot of chat >> and we've had a lot of chat about race of late because of suella speech, suella braverman speech, where she multiculturalism she suggested multiculturalism has although she has failed, although i think she was merkel but was quoting angela merkel but there's massive there's been this massive misunderstanding about what multiculturalism and multiculturalism is. and of course it's the course, she meant it's the failure to integrate . yes. so failure to integrate. yes. so you argue there's a pedantic you can argue there's a pedantic point if is it

point that if why is it a failure , if it's already about failure, if it's already about the lack integration ? but the lack of integration? but there's misunderstanding there's been a misunderstanding . when she failed, she . when she said failed, she meant not led to any good meant it's not led to any good outcomes that's outcomes for society. that's what i obviously mean. >> ideological >> it's a sort of ideological position that if ethnicities are siloed to an extent unnecessarily, instead of assimilating. >> so there's constant >> so there's this constant misunderstanding. kemi here misunderstanding. so kemi here is no, look, this is saying, no, look, this is a conservative. you should be proud of the country rather than ashamed. and that's what conservatives it's conservatives want and that it's a great place be black and so a great place to be black and so on, people people on, and that people see people not obviously , she's not labels. and obviously, she's done she's and done very well. so she's and let's two things. let's be honest, two things. one, that's obviously a more positive outlook than i can't achieve anything. so aside from what the facts are for a second, it's obviously much better it's obviously a much better even if it's delusion, let's say it's to it's a much better delusion to have. idea of have. and secondly, this idea of multiculturalism, . multiculturalism, peston says. he quotes this i tell my children, is the best children, this is the best country world to black country in the world to be black because see people not because people see people not labelled, said, some labelled, he said, which some will see as a statement that multiculturalism will see as a statement that multiculturalthe failure triumph, not the failure asserted braverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once braverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again raverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again isverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again is arman, and that once again is a complete misunderstanding that braverman said we should be assimilating and kemi saying the same thing.

>> the risks >> it is to be fair, the risks associated with soundbites, isn't it? it's very hard to use a people might a single word that people might understand and understand differently. and if you the to you don't get the space to explain exactly you're explain exactly what you're trying even sunak trying to say, well, even sunak got a different interpretation of i of it. absolutely i do know. i want it's a good want to know whether it's a good country in, country to be black in, regardless you're in regardless of whether you're in manchester, birmingham or london, of course, because that might to be might be maybe you have to be the business secretary. don't might be maybe you have to be the blweess secretary. don't might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry,:retary. don't might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry, sorry. �*. don't might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry, sorry. buton't know. we sorry, sorry. but i feel , as you're saying feel like, as you're saying this, often just adding to this, we often just adding to what we often what nick was saying, we often get culture get colour and culture mixed up terribly you can be of terribly because you can be of a culture and be any colour. yeah. you know, and, and i think that's the point. birds of a feather will together and feather will flock together and i'm not sure we're essentially kicking ourselves for human nature . well, it's not even just nature. well, it's not even just colour is it? lot of people colour is it? a lot of people have, that have, for instance, noticed that you get different you get very different educational outcomes at the moment caribbean moment from between caribbean people of caribbean. recent immigration and nigerian, for instance. you know , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked(ou know , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye(now , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye t01w , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a lot) like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a lot of ke to the naked eye to a lot of people, they would be exposed to exactly the same of racism exactly the same level of racism and different and have different outcomes. i think obviously always think there is obviously always that thing we assume that

that thing of we assume that it's so much better in europe, but really isn't. mean, but it really isn't. i mean, that's off because but it really isn't. i mean, that's what off because but it really isn't. i mean, that's what we're off because but it really isn't. i mean, that's what we're told. jecause but it really isn't. i mean, that's what we're told. yeah,;e that's what we're told. yeah, but but, all that's what we're told. yeah, but but , all of but but, but all kinds of surveys that actually surveys suggest that actually this is, you know, if you're going like this is, you know, if you're goingyou like this is, you know, if you're goingyou seen like this is, you know, if you're goingyou seen sweden like this is, you know, if you're goingyou seen sweden lately {e this is, you know, if you're goingyou seen sweden lately .�* this is, you know, if you're goingyou seen sweden lately . i have you seen sweden lately. i haven't, and multiculture haven't, no. and multiculture nightmare. and that's not just me . that's. that's you know, me. that's. that's you know, that's not an overexaggeration. they are having tremendous problems there. yeah. yeah >> did you write suella speech? >> did you write suella speech? >> did you that you wrote donald trump's speech in 2016? here we see what happened on sweden last night . what is on tuesday night. what is on tuesday telegraph nick oh, the telegraph i >> oh times the times with paul haven't we? >> i'd hate to usurp him. sorry. let's go to the times. thanks for this one. apologise. yeah for this one. i apologise. yeah no apology, simon. no need for the apology, simon. no need for the apology, simon. no pope no problem whatsoever. pope backs the blessing same sex backs the blessing of same sex marriage. so the pope has given a to the a cautious backing to the blessing of gay unions here for the first time, which i guess is nice. i mean, it doesn't seem it doesn't particularly in doesn't seem particularly in keeping with his religion and his beliefs. but you know, for

me, that's not important . i me, that's not important. i think what he's trying is not so important for me. what does stand out for me is it should probably be more important to him. however, you know, i mean , him. however, you know, i mean, what am i to say? i have what am i going to say? i have no gay no problem with gay relationships so relationships and gay unions. so good. yeah, well, nick, nick is a christian. let's see he says. >> well, the quote that bothered me is apparently said, am >> well, the quote that bothered ml is apparently said, am >> well, the quote that bothered m(i judge? rently said, am >> well, the quote that bothered m(i judge? to tly said, am >> well, the quote that bothered m(i judge? to which said, am >> well, the quote that bothered m(i judge? to which s.reply, am to i judge? to which i reply, the pope. is that the pope. i mean, is that churlish? isn't this churlish? i mean, isn't this largely job? who am i to largely your job? who am i to speak headlines in speak about the headlines in a light way? light hearted way? >> the show i mean, >> well, that's the show i mean, you had one job pope. you know , you had one job pope. you know, they have been i mean, caught between a rock and a hard place, i guess, for some years now. overnight the catholic church, obviously, they want to remain relevant. to continue relevant. they want to continue to grow or at least maintain the size of ministry. they are size of their ministry. they are still emerging from one of the worst scandals . it was only worst scandals. it was only about or 15 years wasn't about 10 or 15 years ago, wasn't it, that it finally emerged and they and look as if they have to try and look as if they're not just like kind of antiquated and hypocritical, the baby the same time, if they baby at the same time, if they if get rid everything ,

if they get rid of everything, if they get rid of everything, if if wash themselves, if they if they wash themselves, all out, then then people will just say, what's the point at all? exactly. >> point when you have >> at that point when you have no no to no boundaries and no rules to uphold, point, what uphold, at a certain point, what is of the religion? is the point of the religion? that's with that's what's happened with christianity general. the christianity in general. the church of england as well, of course, has watered itself down to nothingness . and to the point of nothingness. and someone think james all someone i think james all described it to me as the labour party so a party at prayer. so that's a good example. similar good example. and it's similar with church. i will with the catholic church. i will also give another point. peter hitchens also give another point. peter hi'gay1s also give another point. peter hi'gay marriage is a kind of of gay marriage is a kind of trap for conservative us because really it's a issue really it's a minor issue compared decline really it's a minor issue co marriage decline really it's a minor issue co marriage and decline really it's a minor issue co marriage and it's decline really it's a minor issue co marriage and it's used decline really it's a minor issue co marriage and it's used to :line of marriage and it's used to trap and make them trap conservatives and make them look and bigoted. look fusty and bigoted. >> remember andrew, you >> do you remember andrew, you probably andrew probably aware of andrew sullivan, a conservative gay american , and he was pro gay american, and he was pro gay marriage, right. and i think he not initially and but came around and i've been quite interested his of interested to read his sort of commentary . and it has commentary on it. and it has been ovennhelmingly successful for hoped it for the reasons he hoped it would be, that it has brought most i mean, the general trend is that it has brought more conservative, it has brought more homosexual men into the

potentially , you know, potentially, you know, conservative flock generally. we all know. i mean, this isn't a catholic thing. but it's interesting. >> i mean, although he always seems like a liberal to me. but >> i mean, although he always seenis like a liberal to me. but >> i mean, although he always seenis an) a liberal to me. but >> i mean, although he always seenis an interesting:o me. but >> i mean, although he always seenis an interesting i me. but >> i mean, although he always seenis an interesting i havebut that is an interesting i have noficed that is an interesting i have noticed and is may be on noticed and this is i may be on very ice here. very thin ice here. >> standby >> so, you know, standby for cancellation. noticed cancellation. but i have noticed in from like when in my lifetime from like when i was university, i shared a was left university, i shared a flat in the late 80s, early 90s, which was with a friend i've been with at university who came out as gay about 1989. there were 4 or 5 of us lived there, he started getting out on the gay scene and there it was gay scene and there was it was very obviously gay, do you know what i mean? like friends what i mean? it was like friends of his would arrive, like to go out wearing silver hot out clubbing wearing silver hot pants or whatever. and it was pretty you'd kind of go, wow, you of us had you know, none of us had encountered before. it it encountered that before. it it feels it's so much feels to me like it's so much less i could be just less like that. i could be just missing it now, just missing it now, but it just feels me like so much of the feels to me like so much of the heat much of the heat has been so much of the kind almost like aggressive, kind of almost like aggressive, you know, are you going to you know, what are you going to do about it? this has been taken out by marriage, by gay out of it by marriage, by gay marriage, made it so marriage, has just made it so

much . much more. >> unless you're on a pride march, smooth elision between. march, a smooth elision between. >> well, simon, you live in brighton, so i'll take word brighton, so i'll take your word for it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and|. stay >> yeah. >> and |. stay of >> yeah. >> and|. stay of it. >> and i'll stay out of it. >> and i'll stay out of it. >> ironically, it's a lot more acceptable to come out as homosexual than it is as a conservative or a catholic or a catholic. yeah what is in tuesday's , nick? tuesday's telegraph, nick? >> oh, the telegraph now. yeah. well it's transgender women to be banned from female wards, so this is a it sounds like it always sounds like a weird sentence, it? because sentence, doesn't it? because transgender famously, transgender women are famously, actually so it's health actually men. so it's health secretary steve barclay is pushing against wokery pushing back against wokery as the have started the conservatives have started threatening to do finally and it's good though, he's going to bnng it's good though, he's going to bring back sex specific language. so the horrors of things like chestfeeding will be replaced the far more replaced with the far more normal breastfeeding , which we normal breastfeeding, which we all carry on. >> doctor will be a watchable film yes, exactly . we film again. yes, exactly. we have to we have to clip it short, i'm afraid, because it's a welcome towards sanity. short, i'm afraid, because it's a wilcome towards sanity. short, i'm afraid, because it's a wi agree towards sanity. short, i'm afraid, because it's a wi agree . towards sanity. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> that's the front page. taken care of . join us in a moment for care of. join us in a moment for hs2 , h two h20 . see you

radio. and welcome back to headliners. >> so we've looked at the front pages. let's take a look inside. further grubbiness ahead . nick, further grubbiness ahead. nick, as according to the mirror, we won't be able to afford to wash. >> yeah, water bills could rise by huge £150 a year as companies demand more to fix demand more money to fix problems . so the average water problems. so the average water bill will be £7 per month higher rising to £13 per month more by 2030. not great news there, but water companies want to invest around 96 billion between 2025 and 2030 to build ten new reservoirs, cut leaks and my favourite bit stop the equivalent of 6800 olympic swimming of sewage swimming pools worth of sewage spills. imagine that. maybe. maybe. leah thomas could swim in them, but that's quite a nice butterfly pool. yeah, but anyway. but at least we have water. simon i mean, we're all struggling with cost of living,

but i've heard all sorts of things wars in the things about water wars in the future know, the future and, you know, the resource . so at resource based economy. so at least some water apparently. >> our water generally apparently. >mean, our water generally apparently. >mean, drinking er generally apparently. >mean, drinking wise,]enerally apparently. >mean, drinking wise, it'serally i mean, drinking wise, it's occasionally rivers occasionally swimming in rivers and all that sort of thing would be add on. but be a luxury. and add on. but yeah, we should never forget be a luxury. and add on. but yeahthereshould never forget be a luxury. and add on. but yeahthere areild never forget be a luxury. and add on. but yeahthere are stillzver forget be a luxury. and add on. but yeahthere are stillzver forgin that there are still people in the and the world who have to go and collect big jug on their heads. >> yeah, you can't drink it in london because it's hard to water fluoride. the you know this. put it this. simon you have to put it through and the filters. >> get that out, can filters. >> the get that out, can filters. >> the hormones. |t out, can filters. >> the hormones. you t, can filters. >> the hormones. you can|n filters. >> the hormones. you can get you? the hormones. you can get fluoride you can fluoride out and you can get 1 or 2 nasties but the or 2 nasties out. but the hormones, you're right. hormones, i think you're right. i serious issue i mean, it is a serious issue that. you know, i don't that. but, you know, i don't know solution is. know what the solution is. >> quite niche. so let's >> it's quite niche. so let's i will say i'm not will say i mean, i'm not belittling for some people that >> i'm sure for some people that is like the is a £7 a month is not like the worst shot going be worst shot we're going to be experiencing it's experiencing in the next. it's not been like by standards not been like by the standards of last year. no, it's very of the last year. no, it's very difficult. i mean, you know, that's a leading that's a bit of a leading question. and you know, i don't want undermine anyone's want to undermine anyone's financial this in this particularly in this in this climate. it's not unusual for bills to go up. i'm pretty proficient and well experienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying and well experienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills nell experienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills .ell experienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills . and xperienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills . and aterienced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills . and at no nced bills to go up. i'm pretty pr(paying bills . and at no point at paying bills. and at no point have they ever gone down. no. in the 20 odd years i've been

paying the 20 odd years i've been paying . what i'd like to paying them. what i'd like to see there's a bit of paying them. what i'd like to sfmisnomer there's a bit of paying them. what i'd like to sfmisnomer that ere's a bit of paying them. what i'd like to sfmisnomer that waterr bit of paying them. what i'd like to sfmisnomer that water companies a misnomer that water companies make they they a misnomer that water companies make they have they a misnomer that water companies make they have a they a misnomer that water companies make they have a hugey a misnomer that water companies make they have a huge amount don't. they have a huge amount of not of revenue and there's not always deal of profit. i always a great deal of profit. i think was only southern water think it was only southern water last that made any last year that actually made any profit. is the profit. i think thames is the biggest they made very biggest and they made very little. however, what i'd like to reinvestment to see is the reinvestment measured better because what we don't is is don't seem to do is take is measure the benefits that are delivered from the reinvest moment because they're private companies, i have no issue companies, which i have no issue with. to just look at with. we tend to just look at profit a thing. we profit as a good thing. but we need to reinvest that in a way because we leaking more because we are leaking more water than water in this country than a lot of a of sort of countries and a lot of sort of countries and a lot of sort of poorer countries have actually got. and we'll always be i mean, i live in i live in southern hampshire and it basically a lot of our water so much water collects there that we just pump it out to other counties because we've got loads. most of it's going into your lush garden. >> i've seen it. yeah. but the water bill is annoying because it's lump sum. it's like a largest lump sum. whatever basically whatever it is, you basically have because have to pay it because it's water. tv water. it's not like the tv licence throw it

licence where you just throw it away, right? it's just kidding. guys, the bbc. guys, we love the bbc. >> i had a picture of you doing a bit of trout fishing in that southern hampshire. i've never or don't live southern hampshire. i've never or far don't live southern hampshire. i've never or far there don't live southern hampshire. i've never or far there. don't live southern hampshire. i've never or far there . i'dion't live southern hampshire. i've never or far there . i'd lovelive southern hampshire. i've never or far there . i'd love toe too far from there. i'd love to do i don't, unfortunately. do that. i don't, unfortunately. no one do that. i don't, unfortunately. ncyour one do that. i don't, unfortunately. ncyour legacies one do that. i don't, unfortunately. ncyour legacies is one do that. i don't, unfortunately. ncyour legacies is a one of your great legacies is a river runs through it guardian now paul they are like a pig in muck stuff. preventative muck on this stuff. preventative policies aka shaming, scolding a nanny knows best. yeah i'm going to read the story and i've got so many views. i've made so many notes on this. calls for big increase in i did. i'm ridiculously . i know i know ridiculously. i know i know exactly but calls for big increase in uk spending on preventative policies so this is demos which is a think tank. yeah. a cross—party think tank. um, i hasten to add says that the treasury should create separate spending category to help prioritise measures and prevent problems from arising. and this largely focuses on the covid 19 pandemic and underlined the critical importance of prevention. now, the best way to prevention. now, the best way to

prevent anything is to understand what caused it in the first place and what caused covid 19 in the first place seems be world's biggest seems to be the world's biggest secret moment. we secret at the moment. i mean, we were wet markets. so if were told wet markets. so if it's wet markets that caused were told wet markets. so if it'sjust wet markets that caused were told wet markets. so if it'sjust wet ma'kets that caused were told wet markets. so if it'sjust wet ma coupleat caused were told wet markets. so if it'sjust wet ma couple of:aused were told wet markets. so if it'sjust wet ma couple of quid d it, just spend a couple of quid and bloke to clean up and tell the bloke to clean up his it's clearly his act. but it's clearly it clearly wasn't . clearly wasn't. >> no, bill gates. >> no, it was bill gates. >> no, it was bill gates. >> gates . isn't it >> it was bill gates. isn't it something with 5g? yes something to do with the 5g? yes yeah, absolutely yeah, you're absolutely right, matthew sweets hand moving towards receiver . but one towards the receiver. but one thing i would say because i don't want to i want don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want sort tread into don't want to sort of tread into some sort of massive conspiracy theory, but there's no point just chucking money at something. to identify something. we have to identify what the root was. you're what the root cause was. you're exactly i was annoyed exactly right. and i was annoyed when that when said when i read that when she said the pandemic and the vaccines had the efficacy of had demonstrated the efficacy of and wasn't preventative at and it wasn't preventative at all, we locked down. we all, we all got locked down. we didn't prevent anything, prevent measures might have been closed. closed. i'm not saying they should, but they could have included closing the airports, closing . could closing the ports. they could have like not, you have included like not, you know, allowing the as you say, the chinese to you know. but

aren't they. yeah sorry. >> aren't they saying that it's because people were obese and so on and their health was already bad? well, they didn't seem to be. >> they em ma emu“ >> they seem to be talking about the vaccines, which is not preventative. the vaccines, which is not preven' had 3. the vaccines, which is not preven'had e. vaccine, if she's you've had a vaccine, if she's saying but if saying that. but that's if you're i don't know. maybe. >> no, you're right. think >> no, you're right. i think i think i she was claiming >> no, you're right. i think i thas. i she was claiming >> no, you're right. i think i th as. i vaccine. e was claiming >> no, you're right. i think i th as. i vaccine. wow. claiming >> no, you're right. i think i thas. i vaccine. wow. ilaiming >> no, you're right. i think i th as. i vaccine. wow. i justing it as a vaccine. wow. i just read how i wanted but read it how i wanted to, but i was completely wrong. >> no, would good >> well, no, that would be good if you were right. bring down the yeah because if you were right. bring down the how yeah because if you were right. bring down the how preventionecause if you were right. bring down the how prevention asuse if you were right. bring down the how prevention as ae that's how i see prevention as a somewhat idea. that's how i see prevention as a sonit'shat idea. that's how i see prevention as a sonit's about idea. that's how i see prevention as a sonit's about personal idea. >> it's about personal responsibility. it's complex . s responsibility. it's complex. s whereas the top down approach , whereas the top down approach, the big state top down approach much harder prevention. much harder for prevention. >> and again, for the >> and again, going for the smokers that's she smokers. that's what she also mentions, stop mentions, that we can stop debate. i'm sorry, but you debate. well, i'm sorry, but you know, done a lot to stop know, they've done a lot to stop tobacco smoking short of actually making it illegal. now, there is great more. there is not a great deal more. you do some poor people who you can do some poor people who would. i'm sure , would. absolutely. i'm sure, love but find it love to give up, but find it unable, know, perhaps love to give up, but find it unable, them now, perhaps love to give up, but find it unable, them becausehaps love to give up, but find it unable, them because lips love to give up, but find it unable, them because i hate smoking. >> but then tolkien loved it so it good. it sort of must be good. >> make them smoke pipes. exactly contemplatively talking of shaming, nick, we have jeremy hunt. he wants the work show to

reconsider a life spent in a state funded cocoon. that's one way of looking at it, he says. >> mentally ill people could be given stay in work given treatment to stay in work before paid . that's before benefits are paid. that's from so he's done from jeremy hunt. so he's done this speech about this at the conservative party conference, and some reasonable and he makes some reasonable points. you know, it fair to points. you know, it is fair to make between those make a distinction between those who actively trying to work make a distinction between those who those :tively trying to work make a distinction between those who those who y trying to work make a distinction between those who those who aren't.| to work make a distinction between those who those who aren't. that'srk and those who aren't. that's reasonable, but it's also and it's also true that the definition of mental health and mental illness has radically expanded. but expanded. i'm sure. yeah, but i'm this will lead to some i'm sure this will lead to some inhuman examples that will be found by the media. there's always there that always examples out there that slip cracks. so slip through the cracks. so there well. and there is that as well. and there's the, there's the vacancies point he makes that we have a million vacancies, but a hundred thousand people on benefits, to set benefits, then you have to set that against of that against the sort of byzantine complexity of the benefits system and the way that it he it doesn't make work pay. he says need society says. here we need a society where pays , but no one's where work pays, but no one's actually crack to actually managed to crack how to do are. i mean , >> seemingly there are. i mean, there's the fine grain, there's always the fine grain, isn't it, when you get into it. but there will be, i think a lot of people probably in their 50s

or 60s who stopped working dunng or 60s who stopped working during pandemic don't feel during the pandemic don't feel like robust like really that robust mentally. but, you know, might have bit. but there's have been a bit. but there's probably lot of probably like a lot of incentives for to just go, incentives for them to just go, do might do you know what i might just see coast here. of see if i can coast from here. of course. mean, there's course. and i mean, there's a couple here. i think couple of things here. i think whichever way you vote, whichever way you vote, whichever i think whichever way you lean, i think the welfare state is the idea of a welfare state is an and we're an important one. and we're always and always going to need it. and these welfare these people are on the welfare state, them. and you state, a lot of them. and you can the cows come can argue till the cows come home, nuance is of who home, the nuance is of who should shouldn't work . should and who shouldn't work. the people simply the facts are some people simply can't. however, one thing that strikes me with these stories is whilst you know , i completely whilst you know, i completely understand and the emphasis behind it, but the way that they go about it, the way that they communicate it, the winning of the hearts and minds goes out the hearts and minds goes out the just open the window. it just leaves open like nick said, you'd be able to, know, be able to to, you know, you'd be able to pick out something go, well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick naboutnething go, well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick naboutneth person, go, well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick naboutneth person, this well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick npoortneth person, this well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick npoor person? rson, this well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick npoor person? here this well, to, you know, you'd be able to pick npoor person? here we;well, poor, poor person? here we what we need to i think we just need to little more cosy to be a little bit more cosy about we chat about about the way we chat about this. but this is obviously you know, election know, we're all in election mode now, they're

now, aren't we? and they're deciding, to sell deciding, are we trying to sell our party to those people who feel that their taxes have gone up, because are up, partly because there are other are just taking other people who are just taking advantage? i think that's what they're it? they're they're doing, isn't it? they're playing the numbers you playing the numbers game. you know, guardian now, paul and the unmistakeable whiff of alt right undertones as government ministers suggest people should. i can barely myself to say i can barely bring myself to say it, more children . that's it, have more children. that's a really interesting way . do you really interesting way. do you know what didn't strike me straight away? family we should have children to care for. have more children to care for. ageing population minister ageing uk population minister said minister being robert jenrick, who is the immigration minister and i don't think robert jenrick should be telling many people what to do and i don't think he should telling don't think he should be telling people to have sex essentially and i don't see it was asked . he and i don't see it was asked. he was to be fair. he was asked, wasn't he, by matt goodwin, who wasn't he, by matt goodwin, who was fringe was hosting one of these fringe meetings, like meetings, who is kind of like he understands channel understands populism channel yes, absolutely . i mean, it is a yes, absolutely. i mean, it is a thing. it's like we all know that there's a massive shortfall , all essentially the infertility across the whole of the west. >> no i mean, sorry, >> yeah. no i mean, sorry, paul, but to me, he is right. it's

just when he says in order to care for the ageing population, it's not the greatest enticement , it, have more children , is it, to have more children so after some old so you can look after some old people. he's right people. but he's right that he says need to encourage people says we need to encourage people domestically to have children, reduce domestically to have children, r( i iuce domestically to have children, riiiuce with those. and . i agree with all of those. and orban who had ideas about this is becoming more mainstream. it was seen vaguely far was sort of seen as vaguely far right. peyton right. but now jordan peyton stearns talking him, an stearns talking to him, not an extreme the question extreme figure. the question remains you know , remains how to do it. you know, it's not quite clear that orban had massive tax breaks, didn't he? >> i mean, i think if you had five you didn't have to five kids, you didn't have to pay five kids, you didn't have to pay tax ever again or pay income tax ever again or something . yeah, there's tax something. yeah, there's tax breaks of doing it. breaks is one way of doing it. >> and you come back >> and but and you come back again that the again to the thing that the tories have been the ones in power at power failing to do this, but at least is acknowledging now that we it well, we do need to do it well, this is i think this is quite interesting, although i we interesting, although i don't we can do it justice. >> started >> but i mean, probably started with idea that on >> but i mean, probably started witione idea that on >> but i mean, probably started witione yes, idea that on >> but i mean, probably started witione yes, thei that on >> but i mean, probably started witione yes, the tories,n the one hand, yes, the tories, the one hand, yes, the tories, the conservative party, you know, is the party of the family supports traditional infrastructures and the idea that you have a responsibility and that's passed down from father and mother to children

and so on. but at the same time, they're also the party of economic growth, aren't they, in the they try the free market? and they try and get everyone to be as economic. cannot have economic. and you cannot have both. well, that is a battle emerging conservatism. both. well, that is a battle emerging got)nservatism. both. well, that is a battle emerging got)nsefree;m. both. well, that is a battle emerging got)nsefree market, >> you've got the free market, the frost, truss the law of frost, the truss thatcherites other thatcherites and the other economic . yeah, economic nationalists. yeah, absolutely. >> pulling apart. >> two things pulling apart. yeah. mean , we built an annexe yeah. i mean, we built an annexe in house and moved my in our house and moved my parents in they are feral, parents in and they are feral, so i'm not going to save our kids in there and that's and that's how we managed to both work . that's it for part two. work. that's it for part two. join us after the break. we have nobel prizes. we have no phone classes. we have tesla fights . classes. we have tesla fights. see you in

listening to news radio. >> and welcome back to headliner . so the guardian now, to nick, start this half, we have controversial subject mind . controversial subject mind. there you go. matthew sweet will be watching very closely to see people in the midlands get that. >> that's such an online joke. hope gets but yeah

hope anyone gets that. but yeah , this is scientists work , this is scientists whose work enabled maher maaroufe tried three times to say this mrna covid vaccine when medicine nobel prize. so this is katalin kanko nobel prize. so this is katalin kariko and professor drew weissman. actually they're both professors. let's get that right . and they share the 11 million swedish chroma prize. that's £823,000. wow. and do you know what? i don't know what i can say about this, but it's the actual technology i'm sure has potential . but it's a pity that potential. but it's a pity that it was executed so poorly by governments and big pharma. and so now, as associated with so much misery. but when i'm not necessarily blaming them and her story kariko's catholic caitlin professor caitlin kariko is really interesting. it's growing up in a small town in hungary, having no running water, no refrigerator, television. refrigerator, no television. it's definitely an oscar winning movie, because they it's definitely an oscar winning movithe because they it's definitely an oscar winning movithe vaccine. because they love the vaccine. >> great. know, >> that's great. and you know, it's . do you it's quite interesting. do you remember the oppenheimer movie, which as which everyone watched as a double with the barbie? but double bill with the barbie? but i this anyway because i'm i knew this anyway because i'm slightly like slightly interested in it. like something half the

something like half of the manhattan project came from poor jewish families in hungary. many of them went to the same quite small school. hungary used to have this kind of capacity for somehow turning out extraordinary. well some people say it's hungary. some people would say would would say it would be the population within hungary. but whatever, good to see them whatever, it's good to see them back on the map anyway. don't back on the map anyway. i don't know whether maybe they've been quietly doing that, but you know, there is a sort of i mean, you're what you're right. it's what you would it, like an would call it, like an inspirational story. but the fact is, it often is the case that people who make the that the people who make the greatest breakthroughs don't come from particularly wealthy families. they're not necessarily legacy scholars at harvard. >> i thought you were going to say they're inventions get say that they're inventions get so badly used. it's like mrna atomic bomb. there is a similarity, not their fault. >> yeah, well , what do you >> yeah, well, what do you think? sorry, i was going. oh, they're going to move on now. i'm brilliant. i mean, it'd be remiss of me not to say actually, know who actually, as i know someone who has vaccine related has a vaccine related injury that , you know, there are has a vaccine related injury that, you know, there are a growing or a rising number of people that do have these

vaccine related injuries . and vaccine related injuries. and i'm not saying that there isn't damage , collateral damage. damage, collateral damage. whenever something whenever you create something like this, however, would be like this, however, it would be remiss to them. it remiss not to mention them. it could have been handled better. again, think that side of it, could have been handled better. athink think that side of it, could have been handled better. athink on|ink that side of it, could have been handled better. athink on balance,side of it, could have been handled better. athink on balance, probably, i think on balance, probably they're still a good thing. son now, paul and eve charges are sparking. get it sparking rows between drivers should they get the eve ? oh that's the question the eve? oh that's the question because that sounds a bit like eve as well. got it. absolutely lovely punch there. thank you. huge weight for ev chargers is sparking furious rows between angry drivers with marshals forced to keep the peace . so forced to keep the peace. so i mean this is just what we call in the profession a little bit of a balls up here. i think what's happened is there's a couple of things going on. there are growing number of people are a growing number of people who electric electric who are buying electric electric vehicles there enough vehicles and there aren't enough charging up. in charging points to keep up. in fact, cities and big towns fact, some cities and big towns around the country have zero. i know we a lot of them living know we see a lot of them living in, living in the in, you know, living in the south. do see a lot, south. we do see a lot,

particularly london. i don't particularly in london. i don't see lot live it's not see a lot i live in it's not nearly i keep nearly enough. no. and i keep saying thinks saying this, brighton thinks it's green and yet of it's so green and yet loads of people driveways . so, people don't have driveways. so, you it . but the you know, that's it. but the fascinating thing me is that fascinating thing for me is that the grid doesn't have sufficient sufficient capacity to maintain it at the moment to deliver the power we need at the time we need it. power we need at the time we needit.so power we need at the time we need it. so we are not infrastructurally ready this infrastructurally ready for this . no. >> right. i know. and it's a big problem. firstly, cumbria is a complete spot. could complete black spot. i could have you growing have told you that growing up there, terms of there, but they mean in terms of this. that's terrible. there, but they mean in terms of this. at that's terrible. there, but they mean in terms of this. at thiup terrible. there, but they mean in terms of this. at thiup tergood old nothing at all. up in good old cumbria, yorkshire. cumbria, somerset, yorkshire. and is a rather and then also this is a rather engush and then also this is a rather english sentence. there's a view in government that rather than provide guarantee provide the power to guarantee sufficient provide the power to guarantee suf should thinking provide the power to guarantee sufshould thinking about provide the power to guarantee suf should thinking about how we should be thinking about how we should be thinking about how we queues . it's just so we manage queues. it's just so ignorant . ignorant. >> managing disappointment since 1947. >> talk about prevention . why >> talk about prevention. why not? why not prevent the thing rather than anyway? >> i mean, you know, maybe the maybe they need this amount of pressure dam of opinion pressure like a dam of opinion almost like hydroelectric almost like a hydroelectric dam of angriness. it what was wrong with petrol? >> i liked it.

>> i liked it. >> it works. it works. yeah it's so phenomenally useful . petrol, so phenomenally useful. petrol, isn't it? people have no idea. they have no idea. i've got hybrid. >> petrol and meat. that's what i had. yummy >> you are the clarkson of gb news daily mail. now, nick and we have to remember to address this story to an audience that might not have memorised every word of man's over already. word of this man's over already. >> i have . so word of this man's over already. >> i have. so this is >> so. but i have. so this is a university professor cancelled by “p university professor cancelled by up a faculty of by student sets up a faculty of a common sense rival a common sense at rival institution fightwokeness. institution to fight wokeness. and is professor eric and this is professor eric kaufmann he the channel kaufmann. he was on the channel earlier. on my earlier. he's also been on my podcast, so podcast, the current thing. so i should an interest. and should declare an interest. and he very smart guy and he is a very smart guy and a good and has left the good guy and he has left the university of politics. he was head of politics at birkbeck and he's now gone to university of birmingham and he's done that in order more free to order to be more free to criticise ideas and criticise progressive ideas and wokeness and so on, because buckingham did you say is it it's university of buckingham? >> yeah. which is a >> buckingham yeah. which is a private isn't it? private university, isn't it? it's an unusual one. it's not part same system . part of the same system. >> me tonight,

>> and he said to me tonight, it's one of the only in the sort of apparently that there of 181 apparently that there are. the that are. it's the only one that would this. so would be prepared to do this. so it's run keep it's shocking and is run by keep interrupting interested this it's shocking and is run by keep interrujanthonyterested this it's shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon this it's shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , this it's shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , who is it's shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , who used run by anthony seldon, who used to be the headmaster of brighton college, school college, famous private school in in brighton, was also tony blair's great biographer and a very sort of strong blairite. >> but anyway, yeah, well , yeah, >> but anyway, yeah, well, yeah, you wonder mean is he's you wonder what i mean is he's not institution i >> university of buckingham. it's not some weird far right like that one in texas, but they're the only ones are they're the only ones that are prepared countenance prepared to even countenance a different . different attitude. >> felt he was getting >> so he felt he was getting well. in the article says well. in the article it says cancelled by a thousand he cancelled by a thousand cuts, he had reviews , he had had internal reviews, he had twitter open twitter pylons. he had open letters for having his own letters just for having his own views they and views. one thing they try and get nonsense about get him on is nonsense about identity, some identity, as if he's like some sort of white supremacist. he's just he just pointed out things like, i apparently the identity in—group preference has no psychological relation to the outgroup so you can say, outgroup hatred. so you can say, i'm proud to be irish or something. it doesn't mean you hate something . so hate the welsh or something. so he it's like that's hate the welsh or something. so hnkind it's like that's hate the welsh or something. so hnkind of it's like that's hate the welsh or something. so hnkind of nuanced; like that's hate the welsh or something. so hnkind of nuanced point..hat's hate the welsh or something. so hnkind of nuanced point. it'ss a kind of nuanced point. it's quite to get across these

quite hard to get across these days, also that. there's also that. >> i know whether it's one there's also that. >> his, know whether it's one there's also that. >> his, but know whether it's one there's also that. >> his, but there'srhether it's one there's also that. >> his, but there'srhetitable; one of his, but there's the table which that white which demonstrates that white people least in—group people have the least in—group preference of any race, right? certainly america and like certainly in america and like most other , like they break them most other, like they break them down or black or asian or down latin or black or asian or whatever , all think of their whatever, all think of their group as best white, white people think that group is not best. >> but he called i mean, on my podcast he called wokeness an iron radioactive iron fist in a radioactive velvet glove. so you can see why he's he's not you he's not a fan of he's not you know, doesn't on well know, he doesn't get on so well with a like with the woven into a glove like that. i know university of buckingham called false. >> no, i mean , superb. just >> no, i mean, superb. just listening to you guys talk about this. and i've not listened to the podcast, but i will do on my way home to recommend it, because having read this , it because having read this, it sounds very, very sounds like a very, very sensible mean, know, sensible idea. i mean, you know, it be taken wrong way. it could be taken the wrong way. faculty sense could faculty for common sense could be some, i don't know. but you could just imagine this environment. at the moment people common sense, people will say common sense, that's bit right wing, but that's a bit right wing, but it's well, it's not. is it? you know. well, his white shift i, i his book, white shift i, i haven't it, but i look at his book, white shift i, i heoccasionally, but i look at his book, white shift i, i heoccasionally, blamazon at his book, white shift i, i

heoccasionally, blamazon people his book, white shift i, i heotdavidially, blamazon people his book, white shift i, i heotdavid aaronovitch zon people his book, white shift i, i heotdavid aaronovitch you people like david aaronovitch you know, say reading. it's say it's essential reading. it's not it's not some kind of weird track. yeah , good luck to track. so yeah, good luck to him. paul, him. telegraph now, paul, it sounds last thing sounds like he's the last thing that want is kids that that teachers want is kids that are forced notice how good are forced to notice how good they their yes this they are at their jobs. yes this is a weird one actually, because , ovennhelmingly . let me , um, ovennhelmingly. let me read the headline first. we know exactly what talking exactly what i'm talking about. school will will make school phone ban will will make classroom . claim classroom behaviour worse. claim teaching unions are union leaders have attacked the person. the proposal sorry of claiming could create claiming it could create problems for teachers trying to enforce enforce discipline now enforcing discipline is kind of part of the job as a teacher, but let's park that for a moment because i think we probably all understand, though nick understand, even though nick hasn't not hasn't got children, it's not the easiest thing to do. you were a child once that we know of we know of the old of that we know of the old classic. you . but my gut classic. thank you. but my gut feel that there is a good feel is that there is a good idea to have these idea not to have these distractions within the classroom. now now i sort of rack my brains on this and say, am i saying that because i didn't and i'm old fashioned in some but no, course not.

some way. but no, of course not. any distraction of any kind, whether whatever whether that, you know, whatever that be. i agree. it has that might be. i agree. it has to be a bad idea. it seems to me like they've framed in like they've framed it in this way, they're saying way, that they're saying it will make rather make it worse rather than letting i letting them kids have phones. i think they're really saying letting them kids have phones. i think needsiey're really saying letting them kids have phones. i think needs to�*re really saying letting them kids have phones. i think needs to bereally saying letting them kids have phones. i think needs to be party saying letting them kids have phones. i think needs to be party seanlg is this needs to be part of an integrated that integrated program so that parent s have integrated program so that parents have some more support. there needs to be more help in the to remove and enforce the school to remove and enforce the school to remove and enforce the discipline of them not having you say having phones. if you just say no phones, but you leave that up to teachers enforce it, to the teachers to enforce it, then they've got they've got an extra that's extra job. i think that's roughly going on. roughly what's going on. >> that's generous. just >> that's more generous. i just thought of a wet thought it was a bit of a wet piece. my take is just do whatever birbalsingh whatever katharine birbalsingh does school. does at the michaela school. just she just copy her. i think she doesn't let them have phones. i could just her could be wrong. just copy her because discipline, could be wrong. just copy her bec less. discipline, could be wrong. just copy her becabsolutely discipline, could be wrong. just copy her becabsolutely correct. discipline, could be wrong. just copy her becabsolutely correct. dist need 5, >> absolutely correct. you need just would do. just do whatever she would do. she in charge of she should be in charge of everything nick. and everything times now, nick. and the wouldn't let you the reason they wouldn't let you wear your wear that hoodie in your passport picture? >> is passport >> yeah, this is passport database will used to catch database will be used to catch shoplifters and burglars. so britain's passport database of 45 million people used to catch shoplifters. burglars car and bike it's etcetera. and

bike thieves. it's etcetera. and they're going to put it together with footage. it's all with cctv footage. and it's all a bit sort of worrying. one a bit sort of worrying. no one loves shoplifters , but it's one loves shoplifters, but it's one of these things starts with a pack cnsps of these things starts with a pack crisps stolen, pack of crisps being stolen, ends demolition, ends up with demolition, man. you know what i mean? >> little bit >> yeah, it's a little bit chinese state surveillance kind of doesn't remember of doesn't it? i remember when we watched the chinese we when we watched the chinese state surveillance thing and they cameras could they had the cameras that could identify from their gate, identify people from their gate, like in which they like the manner in which they walk. and that was only 3 or 4 years ago. and we were all going, wow, that's terrifying. imagine that here. imagine if they did that here. they that. well, they could never do that. well, you we you know, when you say we were watching, it like watching, you make it sound like we out at your got we hung out at your house, got it it was one of the it was when it was one of the first did here. first stories we did here. anyway come the end of anyway we've come to the end of this the break and this section after the break and the a high male the day on a high male menopause. male men stop and smaller men sumo those are your three men. stories coming up after

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pool for the final section telegraph pool. and how's your male endocrine disruption . well, endocrine disruption. well, i appreciate you asking, simon. >> when are we coming up? when do we be coming? obscure youtube channel, men's issues. >> sorry. feel i want >> sorry. i feel like i want to do 90 minute straight do like a 90 minute straight to camera now nhs trust camera lecture. now nhs trust staff given paid leave for male menopause . so the andropause is menopause. so the andropause is characterised by symptoms of anxiety , depression and weight anxiety, depression and weight gain . they need. they need gain. they need. they need a little golden retriever puppy, don't they? the andropause puppy ? yeah the puns. you're absolutely smashing in tonight. i mean, i think i've been in the andropause for some time. >> i mean, i didn't like to say i >> well, i'm surprised no one else has reports . i mean, it else has reports. i mean, it says things. i mean, not all this applies me, hasten to this applies to me, i hasten to add, anxiety , depression, add, but anxiety, depression, weight arguably weight gain. i mean, arguably all serious cases, all those do in serious cases, it can lead to erectile dysfunction in man boobs . you dysfunction in man boobs. you know, hot flushes as well as drops in libido and energy levels. this just feels like a

direct hit at me. it's middle aged, basically, but you know my story. i found i had that i had i had low testosterone and i now get supplements . well, no, i get supplements. well, no, i don't know your story, but i think nick knows. >> discussed the >> we discussed it on the covid thing simon evans thing podcast with simon evans strongly recommend. >> about 50, i think >> i was about 50, i think 52, something and was something like that. and i was feeling low, know, feeling pretty low, you know, and i got blood test and my and i got a blood test and my testosterone was very low. i had noidea testosterone was very low. i had no idea how long it had been that but i had noticed that low, but i had noticed that i'd worse for about i'd been getting worse for about six months. >> got medication and >> well, you got medication and now beat to death with now you beat foxes to death with baseball bats. it's everything. >> it's growl muggers. baseball bats. it's everything. >> they t's growl muggers. baseball bats. it's everything. >> they back)wl muggers. baseball bats. it's everything. >> they back away. muggers. and they back away. >> they see jack nicholson in wolf . yeah. yeah. i mean, look, wolf. yeah. yeah. i mean, look, it's a serious problem. i mean, and men do that if they and men do need that if they have they have that, they need trt, they need strict of need to get on a strict diet of trt andrew videos and trt and andrew tate videos and just pick that testosterone back up you enough tate >> well, if you get enough tate videos, don't need don't videos, you don't need you don't even kitchen. videos, you don't need you don't eveyeah, kitchen. videos, you don't need you don't eveyeah, iwhatn. videos, you don't need you don't eveyeah, iwhat that's >> yeah, that's what that's what i it a serious i recommend. but it is a serious thing because it has all those effects and you know, people joke mock it, but joke about it and mock it, but it destroys men's and it it destroys men's mood and it creates health problems. >> it's usually

>> the irony is it's usually caused by domestic it's caused by domestic life. it's caused by domestic life. it's caused children, caused once you have children, for , that nature for instance, that nature wants your testosterone to lower so your testosterone to lower so you don't go off and cheat and everything. then people you don't go off and cheat and ev youring. then people you don't go off and cheat and ev your family, then people you don't go off and cheat and ev your family, the know, )eople in your family, you know, it's nice goes down a bit, nice that it goes down a bit, but it goes too far, you're but if it goes too far, you're not there for them. you can't do what not there for them. you can't do whithe other thing is, it's just not there for them. you can't do whitijusther thing is, it's just not there for them. you can't do whitijust in' thing is, it's just not there for them. you can't do whitijust in ahing is, it's just not there for them. you can't do whitijust in a completelyjust we're just in a completely wrong culture just culture for men. men are just neutered by the entire western society. physical society. they need more physical threats society. they need more physical thkiits society. they need more physical thr(| mean, know, really >> i mean, you know, a really good a good way of getting a testosterone boost is actually to it's weird you to get hit. it's weird you recommended this before. get a good a slap around the chops. you need to break you don't need to break anything. yeah , make your anything. but yeah, make your ears ring. >> i was wondering did >> i was wondering why you did that just by that to me earlier. just by anyone. own good. anyone. it was for my own good. >> amazingly rejuvenate >> it's amazingly rejuvenate thing. independent now. thing. nick. independent now. and young . none and they're saying young. none and done. although i prefer whip it and it . a and done. although i prefer whip it and it. a great it snippet and tip it. a great band so it's vasectomy and british men in their 20s young none and done stop coughing up my punchlines i'm so sorry that was more of headline than a punchline. >> but you know, it's the same point anyway. and men are

getting mean, getting vasectomies. i mean, some people are saying it's because of the overturning of roe versus wade would be a bit excessive if you one this excessive if you got one in this country that. country just because of that. in america, like america, it'd be like a solidarity, this america, it'd be like a soa:iarity, this america, it'd be like a soa strange this america, it'd be like a soa strange thing this america, it'd be like a soa strange thing going this america, it'd be like a soa strange thing going around is a strange thing going around on the internet. i don't want to alienate our normal viewers in the country who aren't terminally but terminally online like me. but there's of red there's this debate of the red pill world versus the trad con world. these pill men world. and these red pill men are saying actually are saying and women actually like get like pearl are saying, get a vasectomy . you know, it's just vasectomy. you know, it's just foolish to get trapped in sort of child custody battles and alimony. the smart alimony. just do the smart thing, a vasectomy. and it's thing, get a vasectomy. and it's kind a weird subculture kind of quite a weird subculture that's emerged. but i would say get freeze some sperm. >> mean , that's that's a >> i mean, that's that's a pretty affordable option. and that a perfectly that really is a perfectly reasonable solution. the question are they are they , question is, are they are they, though, they say? >> because sometimes they're not reversible ? i would frozen reversible? i would the frozen sperm , frozen sperm, and ideally sperm, frozen sperm, and ideally reversible . reversible. >> and then i honestly think it's idea because it's a really good idea because you're to it's a really good idea because you trapped to it's a really good idea because you trapped . to it's a really good idea because you trapped . and to it's a really good idea because you trapped . and it's to it's a really good idea because you trapped . and it's even get trapped. and it's not even a question of like, maybe there's 1 in 100, maybe 1 in 1000 women would do or just would actually do that. or just be it just you

be careless. but it just you just relax as well , you know? just relax as well, you know? you know what i mean? you're not thinking that, which thinking about that, which i thinking about that, which i think make most relations think would make most relations better, think. better, wouldn't it? i think. surprise. you were surprise. i didn't know you were going advocate on. going to advocate full on. >> , and here's >> i'm simon evans, and here's why you should. >> because i don't it has >> because i don't think it has an impact your testosterone an impact on your testosterone right. still right. because you're still producing yeah producing aren't. no. no. yeah it's yeah . pulls out too. yeah. >> yeah. pulls out too. yeah. but where does it go? >> where does it when it's if >> where does it go when it's if you snipped it doesn't on my medical . where does it medical expertise. where does it go if you know. go in if you know. >> have you had one of these. >> have you had one of these. >> i haven't had a vasectomy no. at all. no and it feels like a reaction to a problem that only exists for a for a small number of people. i mean , i'm a big fan of people. i mean, i'm a big fan of people. i mean, i'm a big fan of pearl, but when she says like, yeah, she is great. i am pearl, call but pearl, call me. but >> but when she says things like, you know, get the vasectomy, don't get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap,|y, don't get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it don't get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it just't get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it just seems aught in the trap, it just seems so cynical me because you can cynical to me because you can still have a happy you can still have happy life, you still have a happy life, you can still there are still out there there are still people out there that life happy that can make your life happy and you can have children. >> i remember >> but we you know, i remember our relationship. wife

our early relationship. my wife and i before we decided we did want to have children, then everything, everything changes and it's fantastic. but honestly, is quite difficult honestly, it is quite difficult to find . you know, it's one of to find. you know, it's one of those negotiations because as a couple of people say in there, very interventions very few of the interventions that can use come with, that women can use come with, you know , completely without you know, completely without cost or the pill really can mess with a lot of women's. you know, moods and so on. so i think it i mean, i have no idea how painful and risky it is , but but you're and risky it is, but but you're advocating it to the nation anyway. don't do it yourself. the symptom is for the telegraph . now it looks like relaxed rules might put one off your great sporting ambitions within your reach. after . all this was your reach. after. all this was the one i was going to run past . i'll be guessing all evening. japan's sumo wrestlers can now be shorter and skinnier. get in there short ditches, short ditches. she has sport ditches , ditches. she has sport ditches, strict physical requirements in a bid to reverse lower

participation, participation rates. i had a real trouble, but they're not that tall, are they? they're only supposed to be five foot five at the moment, which i suppose japanese maybe is a lot shorter. still big shorter. i still think the big fat win. yeah, fat lads are going to win. yeah, but think the, the point but i think the, the whole point of that there just of this is that there just aren't enough people that are interested in sumo interested in doing sumo wrestling. a really wrestling. it's a really rigorous, torturous sport, disciplined sport to get into. obviously it comes with great prestige in japan , but they go prestige in japan, but they go through an awful lot and you have to drink. >> a lot of you have to eat stew and drink a lot of beer apparently. is apparently. and eat rice. it is sad, isn't it's a decline of sad, isn't it? it's a decline of everything. like the one everything. it's like the one group people you actually group of people you actually want fat longer want to be fat no longer will be, everyone is getting be, and everyone else is getting fatter, but very fatter, but it's very ritualistic . ritualistic. >> am right? seem to >> am i right? i seem to remember was it brian? remember there was was it brian? blessed to commentate on blessed used to commentate on it. or it. maybe in the 90s or something. late night on something. i think late night on channel or something. channel 4 or something. recollection channel 4 or something. rec( it ection channel 4 or something. rec(it was n channel 4 or something. rec(it was just became it was a and it was just became it was a sort of ironic thing to watch after the pub but there was quite yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched it. yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched it. seriously. >> i watched it. seriously. yeah. no ironically, yeah. >> lot of talk,

>> there was a lot of talk, isn't there? a big clouds of talc and it's amazing. >> it's beautiful . well, not >> it's beautiful. well, not beautiful. i've to take that back, but you know, you had the honda as well street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi nda as well street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi rememberl street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi rememberl street figwrong . i remember probably the wrong reference . i remember probably the wrong refe maybe could combine it >> maybe they could combine it with . maybe we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind . maybe we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind of. . maybe we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind of. i . maybe we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind of. i i . maybe we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind of. i i sumo be we could >> maybe they could combine it with kind of. i i sumo robots.ould have kind of. i i sumo robots. that could be. and then you could just bulk those without them having to be put in their hearts news hearts at risk. nick us news in the this woman had an the metro. this woman had an absolute nightmare disney absolute nightmare at disney world, which i to say is world, which i have to say is kind i'd expect at kind of what i'd expect at disney world. >> know you didn't >> but yeah, i know you didn't enjoy woman enjoy it. well, it's woman sues disney wedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide wedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide . wedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide . and wedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide . and it wedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide . and it feelsedgie enjoy it. well, it's woman sues diswaterslide . and it feels like�* on waterslide. and it feels like a story cover in the a tough story to cover in the current but i'm going a tough story to cover in the cu have but i'm going a tough story to cover in the cu have crack but i'm going a tough story to cover in the cu have crack but i'mcaused to have a crack at it. it caused a it caused it really is . you a it caused it really is. you see the problem already. it caused vaginal lacerations , caused vaginal lacerations, which aren't. i know that is the correct that again, i know i didn't really want to do this one. i mean, like carrie or one. i mean, it's like carrie or something. it's unbelievably this is she became airborne which she became airborne briefly. >> sounds like a good thing, right? >> yeah, it's thing for >> yeah, it's a good thing for the but, it's the paratrooper, but, yeah, it's not good. they say the only

not so good. they say the only it was very painful anyway. and she's suing for $50,000, and it does sound very bad . and it does does sound very bad. and it does actually sound quite dangerous. normally health and safety oh, whatever. health and safety culture gone this one does culture gone mad, this one does sound whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i don't whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i don't knowther culture gone mad, this one does sound her i don't know .|er it was her fault, i don't know. but this part take slight but this part i take slight issue because of issue with because because of a woman's the of woman's anatomy, the risk of a painful wedgie is more common and serious for and more serious than it is for and more serious than it is for a man. question there, i've a man. question mark there, i've goti yeah, it could >> i mean, yeah, it could be quite a man, quite serious for a man, couldn't i don't like couldn't it? but i don't like those things, those massive. couldn't it? but i don't like tho on .hings, those massive. couldn't it? but i don't like tho on hing plus ose massive. couldn't it? but i don't like tho on .hingplus side,|assive. couldn't it? but i don't like tho on .hingplus side, you ve. couldn't it? but i don't like tho on .hingplus side, you you >> on the plus side, you you might the vasectomy. might not need the vasectomy. no. but anyway. sorry, no. anymore but anyway. sorry, paul no. anymore but anyway. sorry, paul. i know wanted to talk paul. i know you wanted to talk about this one. >> i absolutely >> yeah, go on. i absolutely wasn't. i mean , it's wasn't. but i mean, it's essentially an essentially you're giving an enema aren't the is enema, aren't you? the water is rushing so fast that it rushing at you, so fast that it disappears up into all the space it can find. where can i have to do one? very quickly it can find. where can i have to do paul. one? very quickly it can find. where can i have to do paul. sorry, very quickly it can find. where can i have to do paul. sorry, but/ quickly it can find. where can i have to do paul. sorry, but we'vezly it can find. where can i have to do paul. sorry, but we've got now, paul. sorry, but we've got one story. apologise one more story. never apologise for just an for that. it's just an opportunity me to say uranus opportunity for me to say uranus is a jumbo. is is nearly as big as a jumbo. is it ? it? >> you've been on the >> after you've been on the waterslide? yeah. yeah. >> discovery of jumbos may herald new astronomer an astronomical category, so i nearly fell asleep reading that

then. i mean, this is this may appeal to you , simon. i don't appeal to you, simon. i don't know but space for me there's a new category of free floating heavenly object. there is within what's not to love in the orion nebula . it's a long way away. nebula. it's a long way away. yeah. it's not going to clash into us. well, i mean, it's . into us. well, i mean, it's. they say physics says that, you know, these things shouldn't exist . and they do, apparently. exist. and they do, apparently. but if anyone wants to check them out, they called jupiter . them out, they called jupiter. jupiter, mass binary objects and they shorten that to jumbo. so at least they're not non—binary. >> that's all i've got. >> that's all i've got. >> right, let's have a look >> all right, let's have a look at one time. the at the papers one last time. the show nearly last show is nearly over. one last look tuesday's front pages look at tuesday's front pages before they're delivered your before they're delivered to your front britain front door. daily mail. britain is country to be black is the best country to be black in, says kemi, and she should know sunak accused know the guardian sunak accused of cancelling the future with climbdown over hs2 . the sun. climbdown over hs2. the sun. shirley i'm afraid to leave the house. the telegraph transgender women in to be banned from female wards. liz truss finds that very amusing. the express

rishi's path to victory by delivering what's best for britain and the daily star skunks done a bunk . we still skunks done a bunk. we still don't know what that means. those were your front pages. that's all we have time for. thank you to guest, paul cox that's all we have time for. tharnicku to guest, paul cox that's all we have time for. tharnicku to leo est, paul cox that's all we have time for. tharnicku to leo kearseul cox that's all we have time for. tharnicku to leo kearse willyx and nick dixon, leo kearse will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. with josh marks . i'll josh howie and kerry marks. i'll be back on wednesday you're be back on wednesday if you're watching at 5 stay tuned be back on wednesday if you're waibreakfast. 5 stay tuned be back on wednesday if you're waibreakfast. othennise,( tuned for breakfast. othennise, thank you.

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