>> it's 3 pm. it's patrick christys here from the conservative party conference in manchester. and i've got an absolutely stellar hour coming your patel, the your way. priti patel, the former home secretary, joins me at top, teeing up the speech at the top, teeing up the speech from the current home secretary, suella just suella braverman, who has just walked here walked through these doors here into have interview also have an interview with rishi sunak, the minister, rishi sunak, the prime minister, christopher political christopher hope, our political editor, some great lines editor, has got some great lines of that. even of him out of that. even a potential vote in the house of commons what will commons on net zero. what will that mean? oh yes, that really mean? oh yes, and he's left the open. he's left the door open. the prime minister for nigel farage to conservative prime minister for nigel farage to i've conservative prime minister for nigel farage to i've cons hour ve prime minister for nigel farage to i've cons hour stack prime minister for nigel farage to ofi've cons hour stack prime minister for nigel farage to ofi've nameshour stack full of top name mps and top topics come and join topics as well. come and join

me. get the popcorn ready me. yes, get the popcorn ready because patrick because it's me. patrick christys here at conservative party conference in manchester. and for you. and a little update for you. nigel going on nigel farage is going to be on this show reacting live to suella braverman speech, which is in about 15, maybe 20 is due in about 15, maybe 20 minutes. so it's all to play for here. i will be with you after your headlines . good afternoon your headlines. good afternoon to you. >> it's 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom battle lines are being drawn with the prime minister telling gb news he's the person to deliver change rishi deliver change to britain. rishi sunak has also defended his record illegal immigration, record on illegal immigration, saying for the first time ever, the of small boats the number of small boats crossing is down by crossing the channel is down by a fifth. he also reiterated his plan to half inflation and accused the labour leader of being weak on his policies. >> as you've got keir starmer , >> as you've got keir starmer, who no one knows what he stands for, flip flops left and right. the country can see through that. that's not leadership. what offering different. what i'm offering is different. i people want change. i'm i know people want change. i'm the to deliver it because the person to deliver it because we're going to politics

we're going to do politics differently. you saw that on net zero. that this week. zero. you'll see that this week. that's from a that's what you get from a conservative government. and on the subject of stopping the boats, one of the prime ministers, five priorities. >> the latest figures show more ministers, five priorities. >> t25,000it figures show more ministers, five priorities. >> t25,000 it figure havew more ministers, five priorities. >> t25,000 it figure have been'e than 25,000 people have been intercepted the channel intercepted crossing the channel this . this time last year, this year. this time last year, the number was 33,000. and it comes as the home secretary criticised some immigrants for not embracing british values . at not embracing british values. at an event in bolton, suella braverman said many who come to live in the uk are failing to learn english and are living parallel lives to the rest of the country. she added it is her job be fearless in calling job to be fearless in calling that out . that out. >> if we have a great multi—ethnic society and in many parts of our country , parts of our country, integration has worked. but there are also many towns and cities around the united kingdom where it hasn't. and communities are living parallel lives as they are coming from abroad. they are not learning the language. they're not embracing british values and they're not taking part in british life. and

that needs to be identified. we need to be fearless in calling that out . and that's my job. that out. and that's my job. >> meanwhile, the prime minister is yet to confirm the government's position the government's position on the future of the northern leg of hs2 . businesses are demanding hs2. businesses are demanding immediate clarity following reports rishi sunak is planning to scrap the line from birmingham to manchester. it's understood the prime minister, though, soften the blow by though, will soften the blow by announcing on other announcing spending on other infrastructure projects for the north. in a speech tomorrow , north. in a speech tomorrow, trans women could be prevented from using female only hospital wards under new government plans, trans patients would be treated in separate accommodation, which the campaign group stonewall says will and will be humiliating and dangerous . health secretary dangerous. health secretary steve barclay outlined the proposal at the conference earlier. >> we will change the nhs constitution for allowing a consultation later this year to make sure we respect the privacy , dignity and safety of all patients. recognise the importance of different

biological needs and protect the rights of women . rights of women. >> junior doctors have threatened further industrial action in november and december unless they receive a credible pay unless they receive a credible pay offer. they've been demonstrate outside the conference centre in manchester, alongside consultants . on day alongside consultants. on day one of a three day strike. radiographers have also walked out for 24 hours. the bma are demanding a return to the negotiating table. the government says this year's 6% pay government says this year's 6% pay rise is final while murder is who carry out sexually motivated attacks will automatically face a whole life sentence under new powers . the sentence under new powers. the legal expectation on judges will apply retrospectively to those who've already been charged with the crime , but are yet to be the crime, but are yet to be sentenced just as secretary alex chalk says , for the most chalk says, for the most dangerous and depraved killers, life should really mean life . a life should really mean life. a 13 year old boy has admitted killing his grandmother in sheffield. mark grant died when the child who was driving her car hit her with the vehicle. the boy who can't be named for

legal reasons, was 12 at the time. he will be sentenced in december after pleading guilty to causing death by dangerous driving . a 12 to causing death by dangerous driving . a12 year old boy is in driving. a12 year old boy is in a critical condition after being struck by lightning in hertfordshire. it happened dunng hertfordshire. it happened during a football tournament at the school in hertford the seel school in hertford yesterday . a man in his 50s was yesterday. a man in his 50s was also hit. lightning also struck also hit. lightning also struck a recycling plant in oxfordshire, causing a huge fire. a fireball lit up the sky when a gas tank exploded at a food processing plant in cassington yesterday. firefighters tackling the blaze have been monitoring the site this morning . no injuries have this morning. no injuries have been reported . and donald trump been reported. and donald trump has arrived for the second day of his fraud trial in new york. the former president is accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars in order to secure better loans and insurance terms. if found guilty, he could face a permanent ban from running businesses in new york and a large fine . trump has called the

large fine. trump has called the trial a sham and has denied any wrongdoing . the prince and wrongdoing. the prince and princess of wales are in cardiff to meet members of the windrush generation. prince william and princess catherine were greeted by cheering schoolchildren as they arrived for an event marking the start of black history month. the couple will meet windrush organisations to hear about their contribution to the welsh . community. this is gb the welsh. community. this is gb news across the uk , we're on tv, news across the uk, we're on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. now it's back over to patrick at the conservative party . conference conservative party. conference >> welcome along. now there is not long to go until one of the biggest events of the tory conference. we conference. of course, we will bnng bring you the current home secretary live on secretary suella speech live on gb news just a few moments gb news in just a few moments time. but we do start with our interview with prime minister rishi sunak . interview with prime minister rishi sunak. now he has told gb news political editor christopher hope that his plan

to tackle the migrant crisis is working. the number of migrants who have come across the channel in 2023 has fallen by 25, compared to this time last year. down because of all the things we're doing. >> the new deal i signed with albania, we've returned almost 3000 illegal migrants to albania and you know what? they've stopped coming . that's why we stopped coming. that's why we need to get rwanda up and running i confident that running now. i am confident that the got in place the plans we've got in place will work. they will deliver . will work. they will deliver. they've to do. of they've got a lot to do. of course , we've lot to do. course, we've got a lot to do. but a huge priority for but this is a huge priority for me and we're making a difference i >> well, we've got some great exclusive lines out of the prime minister as well, because he also spoke about his decision to water down government's net also spoke about his decision to watepolicies. government's net also spoke about his decision to wate policies. and)vernment's net also spoke about his decision to wate policies. and he'nment's net also spoke about his decision to wate policies. and he told nt's net also spoke about his decision to wate policies. and he told us; net zero policies. and he told us that he's being honest, unlike some politicians in the past, the things i pointed out in my new approach to net is new approach to net zero is we've to be more we've got to be more transparency around that. >> again >> when that vote happens again in when i said in the future. so when i said very when mps vote on very clearly, when mps vote on the amount of carbon reduction that we're going to do alongside

that, considering that, they should be considering all that are all the measures that are required deliver that carbon required to deliver that carbon reduction. that's the kind of honesty transparency that honesty and transparency that politicians should have with the country . didn't this kind country. i didn't like this kind of consensus that of westminster consensus that all stuff was being cooked all this stuff was being cooked up people weren't all this stuff was being cooked up open people weren't all this stuff was being cooked up open with ople weren't all this stuff was being cooked up open with oplecountry: being open with the country about what required. about what was required. i wanted to change that. look, and as there were as you could see there were people who criticised me for the decision made. i'm going decision i made. but i'm going to i believe is right to do what i believe is right for term this for the long term of this country. i'm going to take country. i'm not going to take the easy out. the easy way out. >> arguably , the biggest >> well, arguably, the biggest story out of this now is that the could genuinely the parliament could genuinely get a vote elements of get a vote on some elements of net zero. what will this mean? is it a political masterstroke from the prime minister? it from the prime minister? is it not going be? we'll have to not going to be? we'll have to wait like i said, we're wait and see. like i said, we're going to suella braverman wait and see. like i said, we're going tntoday suella braverman wait and see. like i said, we're going tntoday suellavery,erman wait and see. like i said, we're going tntoday suellavery, very n speech today to you very, very shortly. farage will be shortly. nigel farage will be hotfooting it into the studio from after that, from that speech. after that, the justice secretary has popped up well, talking about up today as well, talking about whole life tariffs for people retrospectively. that even retrospectively. does that even work under the but i am work under the law? but i am joined by the man was joined by the man who was speaking to minister speaking to the prime minister christopher else ,

christopher hope, and who else, the former home secretary, chris patel. it's a wonderful way to kick start the show. but before we talk to them, let's just have a quick look. she's going to kill for this . am you. last kill me for this. i am you. last night . la la kill me for this. i am you. last night. la la la la la la la. la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. >> patrick oh, are you all right? >> i am. >> i am. >> thank you very much. and thank you for showing that clip, by the way, folks. i was literally there for around 15 minutes. >> you were? no, it was it was it out job, i must it was an in and out job, i must say. i was there. i can verify that. for hosting such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful for hosting such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful partior hosting such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful part of hosting such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful part of the:ing such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful part of the gb such say. i was there. i can verify tiwonderful part of the gb news. a wonderful part of the gb news. >> very to see everyone. >> very nice to see everyone. and done. >> very nice to see everyone. an(well done.. >> very nice to see everyone. an(well done. thank you very >> well done. thank you very much support. and >> well done. thank you very m|course support. and >> well done. thank you very m|course was support. and >> well done. thank you very m|course was thelpport. and >> well done. thank you very m|course was the gb)rt. and >> well done. thank you very m|course was the gb news d of course it was the gb news party which was a rip roaring success. anyway, that's more success. but anyway, that's more important matters facing the country conference. country facing this conference. look, christopher, i'll start with you, because you've sat down minister. with you, because you've sat down a minister. with you, because you've sat down a couple minister. with you, because you've sat down a couple ofiinister. with you, because you've sat down a couple of really�*. you've got a couple of really big out him. of big lines out of him. and of course, we're gearing up for this home this speech from the home secretary so the scene. this speech from the home sec so ary so the scene. this speech from the home

secsoary so saying,cene. this speech from the home secsoary so saying,cen our >> so he was saying, so our big thing about this thing now is to ask about this issue net zero, the target of issue of net zero, the target of cutting net zero cutting emissions to net zero net 2050. always being net by 2050. i'm always being troubled. a troubled. there's never been a single on this. it's single vote of mps on this. it's pushed into parliament by june, in the prime in june 2019, by the prime minister, just last minister, theresa may. just last week, when the pm watered down the targets of abandoning new new and diesel cars by new petrol and diesel cars by 2035, 2030 to 20, 25, 35, he said. there's a concern about a lack of consent of the british people and the issue of consent. so interesting, i said to him, why not do referendum? he why not do a referendum? he said no. say in no. but he did say in this interview he would give vote interview he would give a vote to all mps about whether they would watering down would support the watering down of the commitments. and i think going to the election, that's a real moment that allows real big moment that allows allows tories to show labour mps voting 2030, voting to keep the ban at 2030, whereas the tory party would give more years to deal give you five more years to deal with your issues with you with your issues and your priti patel your boiler. i mean, priti patel , a, you're a big , you're a, you're a big politician, know how it politician, you know how it works. we're a clever idea here. >> it is and sensible. >> so it is and it's sensible. >> so it is and it's sensible. >> out potentially >> we're a year out potentially from election and from a general election and these dividing lines. these become the dividing lines. >> don't they? how you >> don't they? you know how you take to your take the challenge to your

opponent oppositions, opponent and your oppositions, you the of you know, are you on the side of the public? you the british public? are you going them with more going to hammer them with more taxes initiatives or going to hammer them with more tax(you initiatives or going to hammer them with more tax(you going initiatives or going to hammer them with more tax(you going t01itiatives or going to hammer them with more tax(you going to support or going to hammer them with more tax(you going to support our are you going to support our initiative, which is actually to put moratorium ? liam, pause put a moratorium? liam, pause all this and vote for in all of this and vote for it in parliament. these are the type all of this and vote for it in pa parliamentarye are the type all of this and vote for it in pa parliamentary e are tithatpe all of this and vote for it in pa parliamentary e are tithat we of parliamentary tactics that we use . suspect might use them use. i suspect we might use them more frequently . more frequently. >> surprised to see that more frequently. >> pm surprised to see that more frequently. >> pm be surprised to see that more frequently. >> pm be a|rprised to see that more frequently. >> pm be a bitised to see that more frequently. >> pm be a bit more) see that more frequently. >> pm be a bit more political? your pm be a bit more political? because until been because until now he's been pretty boring for covering? because until now he's been pre'iy boring for covering? because until now he's been pre'i mean,g for covering? because until now he's been pre'i mean, i'mr covering? because until now he's been pre'i mean, i'm veryering? because until now he's been pre'i mean, i'm very candid about >> i mean, i'm very candid about this. you i want us to win this. you know, i want us to win the election need the next election and we need substance and policies and approaches. it's about deliveries. it's all about the delivery . and votes in delivery. and votes in parliament demonstrate parliament will demonstrate we're changing legislation. we're changing the legislation. so we can the so actually we can go to the pubuc so actually we can go to the public next year in the general election. so we are the ones that and voted this that led this and voted this through parliament. there's one question i asked him there at the weekend. question i asked him there at the week(ofi. question i asked him there at the week( of your colleagues question i asked him there at the week(of your colleagues in >> three of your colleagues in cabinet said that leaving the echr was on the table. that to me is the agreed line from 10 downing street. i asked that question of the prime minister. he wouldn't go he may he wouldn't go there. he may talk to more about small boats. is mistake? talk to more about small boats. is so, mistake? talk to more about small boats. is so,i mistake? talk to more about small boats. is so, i mean, le? talk to more about small boats. is so, i mean, look, it's not >> so, i mean, look, it's not straightfonnard. we've discussed this before. everyone

this many times before. everyone says , just leave. this many times before. everyone says , jus do eave. this many times before. everyone says , jus do you think ? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> there's endless mission creep from the european court in strasbourg, we've seen that. strasbourg, and we've seen that. do remember the whole do you remember the whole prisoner vote? >> enough for that >> i'm old enough for that prisoner voting issue in prisoner voting rights issue in 2000 prisoner voting rights issue in 20(i) prisoner voting rights issue in 20(i think was . david cameron >> i think it was. david cameron was firm on and all was very firm on that. and all credit to him. but they credit to him. but even they block our ability to remove foreign offenders . foreign national offenders. these murderers rapists these are murderers and rapists who not british. you know, who are not british. you know, the block action there. the courts block action there. and course, famously and of course, they famously blocked the rwanda flight as well . i'm a blocked the rwanda flight as well. i'm a great blocked the rwanda flight as well . i'm a great believer in well. i'm a great believer in reform, but but there's an opportunity here. britain post—brexit, for us to do much more the next way fonnard reform echr perhaps even look at how we can move it out of the decision making space in our own laws. and i think the public will really welcome that because currently like the currently it feels like the government isn't control. and government isn't in control. and i this, there. i can say this, i've been there. when rule judgements when you've got rule judgements or, know, rulings that are or, you know, rulings that are outside of our own territories , outside of our own territories, you know, basically stopping the british government from doing what people it british government from doing wido people it british government from doing wido . people it to do. >> and look, do you want to hear to do. >1bitnd look, do you want to hear to do. >1bit more)k, do you want to hear to do.

>1bit more of do you want to hear to do. >1bit more of that? u want to hear to do. >1bit more of that? i want to hear to do. >1bit more of that? i mean,o hear a bit more of that? i mean, we're going to be we're obviously going to be taking very shortly taking a speech very shortly anyway room behind taking a speech very shortly anyv nigel room behind taking a speech very shortly anyv nigel is room behind taking a speech very shortly anyv nigel is to oom behind taking a speech very shortly anyv nigel is to going ahind taking a speech very shortly anyv nigel is to going be1d me, nigel farage is to going be reacting of what reacting off the back of what suella say. but reacting off the back of what sue|kind say. but reacting off the back of what sue|kind stuff, say. but reacting off the back of what sue|kind stuff, presumably but this kind of stuff, presumably is what you want to hear, is what party members hean >> it's delivery. i mean, >> it's about delivery. i mean, you know, on this you know, i do go on about this a lot. it's about a hell of a lot. it's about delivering the british delivering for the british people public be people and the public will be tired you know, seeing lot tired of, you know, seeing a lot of politicking, know, of politicking, you know, speeches. political speeches. it's a political conference. speeches. it's a political confe speeches, they to hear speeches, but they want to know. i've heard this know. right. i've heard this from minister today. know. right. i've heard this frorr heard minister today. know. right. i've heard this frorr heard so 1ister today. know. right. i've heard this frorr heard so and r today. know. right. i've heard this frorrheard so and s0)day. know. right. i've heard this frorrheard so and so and so i've heard from so and so and so and so. what does that mean ? is and so. what does that mean? is something going to change votes in important. in parliament are important. i think a reinforced think this will be a reinforced by king's speech, his by the king's speech, his majesty's november as majesty's speech in november as well, you will see that well, where you will see that programme work potentially programme of work potentially come together, can come together, which can absolutely a good, absolutely help catalyse a good, solid conservative message and proposition as we go into the next election . yeah, absolutely. next election. yeah, absolutely. >> the we asked the pm in this in this interview about small boats. said it's down by a boats. he said it's down by a fifth because his deal with fifth because of his deal with albania . is that enough? mean, albania. is that enough? i mean, rwanda your idea. in rwanda was your idea. it's in the now . is suella the courts now. is suella braverman enough on small

boats? >> so it's a collective position. you know, it's not down to one individual at all. the whole of government . we used the whole of government. we used to have an illegal migration task across whole of task force across the whole of government work on this. i government who work on this. i work the ben wallace work with the mod, ben wallace at the government has at the time, the government has said stop the said it's going to stop the boats actually i think boats and actually i think they're to have explain they're going to have to explain that its entirety. what are that in its entirety. what are the policies that will the key policies that will lead to stopping boats? the to stopping the boats? the crucial thing, though, people are it's are still crossing and it's still putting all the pressures are still crossing and it's sti|our|tting all the pressures are still crossing and it's sti|our systems the pressures are still crossing and it's sti|our systems domestically; are still crossing and it's sti|our systems domestically . and on our systems domestically. and actually, you know, we've got the sorry, the the strasbourg sorry, the supreme judgement supreme court judgement that's coming week. think it coming up next week. i think it could or the week after could be or the week after it starts week. next week starts next week. next week around flights. can around the rwanda flights. can i ask how you would feel about turning back? have turning boats back? so we have already that so i can already tried that. so i can tell you now i've been there many times. >> you actually talk to us a little bit about that process because i know that that was involved with it's very controversial it's controversial and it's not straightfonnard . strai ghtfo nnard. >> so the straightfonnard. >> so the french absolutely resist the whole concept and the principle of turning boats back. that would also mean entering

french territorial waters , french territorial waters, british vessels entering french territorial waters. french entered our territorial waters. you know, we wouldn't take too kindly to that for obvious reasons. so we tried to work in partnership and our approach working with the mod. so with ben wallace as defence secretary back then, was to bring in the navy, bring in navy personnel l to work with border force officials to actually try and look at the turn back process . look at the turn back process. but it is controversial because you risk lives being lost at sea. yeah, it's very, very difficult and not everybody agrees with this as well. and as i've said, the french fundamentally disagree with turning boats back. and sending them back to france. this is the whole thing. they do not want them once they leave. and then you argue and you could you could argue and you could argue, what, i'm about argue, you know what, i'm about to now, once leave to say now, once they leave france, the french think, well, that's problem, brit. that's now your problem, brit. you we're not to that's now your problem, brit. you take we're not to that's now your problem, brit. you take them we're not to that's now your problem, brit. you take them back'e're not to that's now your problem, brit. you take them back type 1ot to that's now your problem, brit. you take them back type thing. going take them back type thing. so a of toing and so there's a lot of toing and froing that . froing on that. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly.

>> when you were there before suella braverman home office, suella braverman in home office, did your did you feel that all your efforts thwarted by efforts were being thwarted by officials? a about officials? we hear a lot about the and civil servants the blob and civil servants stopping you doing stuff because we how much you believe in we know how much you believe in it. yeah, i mean, i can candidly say it wasn't like that because all credit to boris johnson, he basically said this is not just a home office issue. >> the whole of government has to so we had an to get behind this. so we had an illegal migration task force. every member of the cabinet had a role to play. even the chancellor were you backed by your officials? our officials did work to me, there's no doubt about not about that. rwanda would not have the have happened without the support of my officials . we had support of my officials. we had to there, do country to go there, do country profiling, know, negotiate profiling, you know, negotiate with the government rwanda . with the government of rwanda. and because of my past role in differed as well, i understood all the issues with un conventions and things that conventions and things of that nature. so they supported me on that. real challenge is that. the real challenge is around getting the flights to going rwanda but actually going rwanda now, but actually it's still more than that. what can we practical do to either stop boats or go upstream

stop the boats or go upstream and actually have the interventions to stop the people smugglers? and our focus should always be going after the gangs , going after the evil people smugglers , because they're the smugglers, because they're the ones that perpetrating these crimes. i there's a bit of >> i think there's a bit of pearl about pearl clutching going on about rwanda i've got a sneaky rwanda because i've got a sneaky suspicion if it works for suspicion that if it works for us, countries will do us, other countries will do something very similar. so this is well documented and it's already public. >> denmark were also looking to negotiate with rwanda to at the same time we were having discussions with rwanda . and i discussions with rwanda. and i think i've read that germany more recently, and there are other countries that are looking to negotiate as well . to negotiate as well. >> interview us did say >> and interview with us did say we world leading in other we are world leading in other countries example. >> correct. and what's >> so it is correct. and what's interesting, i have been i do know what's going on in rwanda . know what's going on in rwanda. they themselves, the government, have actually been welcoming refugees afghanistan . more refugees from afghanistan. more recently, girls . and also recently, women, girls. and also we know about the conflict in sudan.so we know about the conflict in sudan. so they've taken the medical students who've been displaced sudan , and now displaced in sudan, and now they're educating and training them resettled in

them and they're resettled in rwanda. the key thing about rwanda. and the key thing about the policy was it was the rwanda policy was it was absolutely designed to raise the bar when it came to global resettlement. it's not a punishment. we should be clear about that . we are investing in about that. we are investing in people to resettle in rwanda to be reskilled, retrained. we've got plenty of case studies, actually, of people of other nationalities that have resettled in rwanda who've actually become actually gone on to become entrepreneurs and business leaders and of that leaders and things of that nature. i think it's about nature. and i think it's about time the debate went higher, not low . and literally we had that low. and literally we had that discussion about how do we resettle people in a humane way so they rebuild lives i >> and yeah, indeed, there's a lot of talk today. think tank >> and yeah, indeed, there's a lot of tthetoday. think tank >> and yeah, indeed, there's a lot of tthe cornerthink tank >> and yeah, indeed, there's a lot of tthe corner from tank >> and yeah, indeed, there's a lot of tthe corner from here around the corner from here about i wonder about foreign aid and i wonder if a bit you talked if this ties in a bit you talked about doing things upstream okay so marry up with so how does that marry up with i think a desire from a of think a desire from a lot of people at this conference and dare i say it, maybe the wider pubuc dare i say it, maybe the wider public well to foreign public as well to cut foreign aid. that work? aid. how would that work? >> doesn't to be quite >> so it doesn't to be quite candid, at the state of the candid, look at the state of the world. you know, we see parts of the world where there are global

migration climate change migration issues, climate change issues, , a of issues, quite frankly, a lot of persecution place and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot1 place and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot be place and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot be tone place and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot be tone deaface and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot be tone deaf to�* and issues, quite frankly, a lot of percannot be tone deaf to that we cannot be tone deaf to that at all if you even at all if you look even in africa, sahel , you know, africa, the sahel, you know, we're seeing we've seen all sorts of uprisings as well . you sorts of uprisings as well. you know, places like drc , know, even places like drc, parts africa have had some parts of africa have had some really times. people parts of africa have had some really a times. people parts of africa have had some really a flight times. people parts of africa have had some really a flight of1es. people parts of africa have had some really a flight of peopleyple parts of africa have had some really a flight of people when there's a flight of people when there's a flight of people when there's destabilised nation. now, with the aid budget, we fundamentally believe in investing in those countries and actually rebuilding governments and the foundations for democracy and their institutions. the thing is, though, on the upstream piece, particularly with people smugglers, we know through our intelligence networks, which countries are really at the forefront of, you know, forged documents , for example. documents, for example. >> are they. are you able to say so they tend to be around the middle east. >> so there are a lot of countries, afghanistan has recently used as a route, countries, afghanistan has recwely used as a route, countries, afghanistan has recwe know, used as a route, countries, afghanistan has recwe know, foried as a route, countries, afghanistan has recwe know, for example,yute, countries, afghanistan has recwe know, for example, and as we know, for example, and that's understandable . but then as we know, for example, and thatstilliderstandable . but then as we know, for example, and thatstill haveandable . but then as we know, for example, and thatstill have people�* . but then as we know, for example, and thatstill have people cominglen as we know, for example, and thatstill have people coming in| you still have people coming in through the mediterranean, turkey . there are some middle turkey. there are some middle eastern countries which i'm not going to name that are obviously

part networks , but are part of the networks, but are obviously being watched by the intelligence services as well . intelligence services as well. and there's lots of information and cooperation that takes place in countries, too , which in those countries, too, which is that is the is really important. that is the upstream that we need . but upstream work that we need. but they need to be able to take the legal interventions to smash the gangs there. so we don't have the repercussions, you know, in europe, time these people europe, by the time these people come just come to europe, it's just too late. >> exactly . >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> you're here with all you're talking about security. but why are you here and why were you with farage night? with nigel farage last night? is it join the tory party >> oh, well, that's a matter for nigel. really people know i >>i >> i mean, lam >> i mean, if you were a leader. >> i mean, if you were a leader. >> well, i'm not leader. and it's public record that nigel and i, because of our, you know, campaigns on brexit and everything else , we go back. we everything else, we go back. we absolutely back and we've absolutely go back and we've shared platforms. comes shared platforms. when it comes up for britain post up to stand up for britain post et cetera and i suspect we'll et cetera. and i suspect we'll continue to do the have continue to do the same and have many those discussions on gb many of those discussions on gb news many of those discussions on gb neichristopher, were >> christopher, you were interviewing the prime minister earlier and you earlier on, weren't you? and you were cheeky with one of

were a bit cheeky with one of the questions him, the questions you asked him, didn't about yeah, didn't you, about nigel yeah, that's asked at the that's why i asked him at the end question, would you end of the question, would you like farage? end of the question, would you like wasage? here the end of the question, would you like timesage? here the end of the question, would you like time inge? here the end of the question, would you like time in weeksere the end of the question, would you like time in weeksere join. le first time in weeks to join. >> just crack on because >> let me just crack on because we're going to go now to the current home secretary, suella braverman, who is talking at the conservative in conservative party conference in manchester. she's taking the manchester. she's taking to the stage . we'll be stage any moment now. we'll be heanng stage any moment now. we'll be hearing her people hearing from her people obviously applauding i obviously are applauding her. i think to it now. it think we can go to it now. it looks like she's to start looks like she's about to start talking. braverman alex talking. i suella braverman alex norris good to norris party conference. good to see you. >> start out, ladies and >> let me start out, ladies and gentlemen, by thanking a few people . people. >> first of all, my brilliant ministerial team , they're here. ministerial team, they're here. >> chris philp, robert jenrick, tom tugendhat sarah, simon murray, andrew sharp, and my parliamentary team, james sunderland, sean bailey. >> kieran mullen, scott mann and byron davies. thank you for your fantastic work .

fantastic work. >> i'd also like to thank all the home office civil servants who work flat out to keep this country safe and of course, the greater manchester police and all the officers from around the country who are doing their duty . here >> now, i don't know if you've noticed, but as home secretary, i do occasionally receive a modicum of criticism or sometimes i'm asked if i ever read what my critics say about me. well the answer is yes, i do . i'm made of strong stuff. so i'm prepared to wade through the personal abuse, the wild invective and the wilful misrepresentation , because i misrepresentation, because i believe that all of us should strive for improvement and if we

close our ears to anyone who disagrees with us, we're less likely to identify our mistakes. one of the reasons why the conservative party has survived and thrived for so long is because we are not afraid to admit when we get it wrong and adapt accordingly. we listen and we learn and we renew ourselves and that's what we're doing here this week in manchester. we're raising our game because next year this country will face a clear choice at the general election . who do people trust to election. who do people trust to deliver the change that britain needs ? because there are huge , needs? because there are huge, huge challenges ahead . the world huge challenges ahead. the world is being transformed by powerful forces and i think the british

people see that perhaps more clearly than some of those in westminster who live in the bubble of complacency . i also bubble of complacency. i also think most british people have a pretty good sense of how they expect their government to respond to those challenges . and respond to those challenges. and i'm confident that when push comes to shove , the voters will comes to shove, the voters will realise is that they are much more likely to get the change they really want from rishi sunak and the conservatives than from any of the left wing parties . and the reason is parties. and the reason is simple and i'll explain it with an example from my responsibilities as home secretary . now one of the most secretary. now one of the most powerful forces reshaping our world is unprecedented mass migration , the wind of change migration, the wind of change that carried my own parents

across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared dad to the hurricane that is coming because today the option of moving from a poorer country to a richer one is not just a dream for billions of people. it is an entirely realistic prospect . every human, every prospect. every human, every single person has the right to aspire to, to a better life. as conservatives . that's one of the conservatives. that's one of the cornerstones of our philosophy. indeed without that dream, i wouldn't be standing before you today . but conservatives are today. but conservatives are also practical and realistic. no body can deny that there are far, far , far more people in far, far, far more people in poorer countries who would love

to move to britain than could ever be accommodated . i'd even ever be accommodated. i'd even even if we concreted over the countryside, turned our cities into one vast building site and erected skyscrapers from eastbourne to elgin , from hull eastbourne to elgin, from hull to holyhead . it still wouldn't to holyhead. it still wouldn't be enough. demand will always outstrip supply . i know it . be enough. demand will always outstrip supply . i know it. you outstrip supply. i know it. you know it , outstrip supply. i know it. you know it, and the outstrip supply. i know it. you know it , and the voters outstrip supply. i know it. you know it, and the voters know outstrip supply. i know it. you know it , and the voters know it know it, and the voters know it . this country has been generous in taking in refugees from afghanistan, from ukraine, from syria, from hong kong. the decency of the british people cannot not be questioned . but cannot not be questioned. but they also they also care deeply about overall numbers in poll after poll, the british people all have been clear . immigration all have been clear. immigration

is all already too . is all already too. high and they know another thing that the future could bring millions more migrants to these shores, uncontrolled and unmanageable unless the government they elect next year acts to decisively to stop that happening. and we are the only party that will take effective action . effective action. on now , i can't pretend that now, i can't pretend that politicians have done a great job of managing immigration for the last 30 years. we were too slow to recognise the scale of

the problem , too unwilling to the problem, too unwilling to accept that our legal framework needed to be updated . and let's needed to be updated. and let's be honest , far too squeamish be honest, far too squeamish about being smeared as racist to properly bring order to the chaos. properly bring order to the chaos . but under rishi sunak's chaos. but under rishi sunak's leadership, things are changing. we are raising our game . for we are raising our game. for years . to many overseas students years. to many overseas students were bringing their dependents here to the uk. so we've changed the rules to ensure that a student visa is not a route for whole families to come and live and work in the uk. whole families to come and live and work in the uk . when i stood and work in the uk. when i stood before you at conference last year , we were dealing with year, we were dealing with a surge of albanian illegal migrants coming on small boats. over £12,000 in 2022 alone. fast fonnard a year and thanks to the

returns deal with albania that we put in place and changes that we put in place and changes that we made to our rules , those we made to our rules, those numbers are now . down by 90% numbers are now. down by 90% indeed , against a backdrop of indeed, against a backdrop of increasing illegal migration into europe by small boat crossings to the uk, are down by 20% compared to last year . and 20% compared to last year. and conference. we will soon begin closing down asylum hotels .

closing down asylum hotels. thatis closing down asylum hotels. that is not nearly enough. i accept that, but it is a start andits accept that, but it is a start and it's a hell of a lot more than labour would do. i said at conference last year that we had to change our laws and we did . to change our laws and we did. our legal migration act, which will come into force in the coming months , now means that coming months, now means that the only route to asylum in the uk is a legal route. the act means that those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country if possible, or to a safe third country like rwanda . safe third country like rwanda. but all of this is ultimately a question of political will and be under no illusion we will do what ever it takes to stop the boats and deter bogus asylum seekers as .

seekers as. we will also ensure that legal migration comes down to reasonable levels and that it occurs only when there is a clear benefit to the british people. that's our pledge. that's our plan. and i believe the public will back it. because everyone knows what labour will do on migration. labour will do what labour always does open our borders at heart. labour doesn't believe that we have the right to keep people out. sure they may mouth a bit of occasional rhetoric about controlling our borders, but that's not what the labour party has ever done in government and it's not just negligence or incompetence ,

negligence or incompetence, although you can be guaranteed of plenty of that if labour wins, it's actually deliberate . wins, it's actually deliberate. the biggest reason why conservative governments have struggled to get illegal migration under control is because labour governments passed laws that inhibit effective action because the truth is we struggle to remove foreign criminals. we struggle to get accurate data on the ages of the asylum seekers. we struggle even to confiscate their phones when they arrive on our beaches . let me tell you , our beaches. let me tell you, our beaches. let me tell you, our country has become enmeshed in a dense net of international rules that were designed for another era and it is labour that turbo charged their impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. i am surprised caused they didn't call it the

criminal rights . criminal rights. act because i tell you, every time i've gone to parliament to improve the law on immigration, labour has tried to block us, always aided by their allies in the third sector, some of whom openly declare that they oppose national borders merely on principle. all of them bleating the same incest accusation race based, racist, racist . they've based, racist, racist. they've always used that smear. they tried it against margaret thatcher. it didn't work. >> they tried it against david cameron . cameron. >> it didn't work a couple of years ago. they even tried it against winston churchill , years ago. they even tried it against winston churchill, our greatest ever leader . and it greatest ever leader. and it didn't even work then . and i can didn't even work then. and i can promise you that it won't work

against rishi sunak and it won't work against me. because the truth is , every one because the truth is, every one of us in this room should be proud of our roots and proud of our conservative values , as we our conservative values, as we believe that britain has the right to secure borders, to decide who gets into our country and who does not. we are the party to confront the challenge of global migration in the years ahead. of global migration in the years ahead . not a labour party that ahead. not a labour party that will open the borders and then cw will open the borders and then cry racism to anyone who objects . so let's be clear . the choice . so let's be clear. the choice between conservatives and labour is the choice between strong

borders and no borders . borders and no borders. now the next election will also be fought out on law and order. between a conservative government that wants the police to focus on criminal justice and a labour party that thinks the police should focus on social justice. but within a conservative government that stands up for the police and a labour party that wants to see them take the knee between a conservative government that wants to help ordinary people go about their lives and impeded and a labour party that sympathises with the eco idiots that block our roads and stop mums from taking their kids to school, stop workers from getting to their jobs and stops ambulances from getting to

hospitals because is when it comes to just stop oil. labour's lawyers advise them and labour's donors fund them . donors fund them. that's exactly why labour resisted the legislation that we passed to crack down on this madness, because thanks to our new laws, the police can now get these clowns off our streets and get traffic moving in a matter of minutes . as the prime of minutes. as the prime minister and i are firmly on the side of the law abiding majority . that's why we've backed our police officers with one of the largest ever rises in police pay . it's why we ensured we hit our target of 20,000 additional police officers. so that we now have more officers in england and wales than ever before . it's

and wales than ever before. it's why we've backed the police's use of stop and search as an effective way to get knives off our streets. it's why we secured agreement from the police to investigate all burglaries and follow all reasonable lines of inquiry. when someone reports a crime and it's why we've reformed hate crime guidance so that officers aren't wasting hours investigating squabbles on twitter. it's why we're making sure the police are not inadvertently helping mobs to enforce non—existent blasphemy laws. and it's why we've prioritised tracking down grooming gang perpetrators and getting justice for their victims after authorities turned a blind eye. it's why we've made sure that prevent it. the government program that stops people sliding towards terrorism is focussed on the main security threat to the british public. islamist extremism . and let

islamist extremism. and let me take a moment to recognise that in all of this we have been assisted by some truly excellent police and crime commissioners who share our commitment to common sense and law and . common sense and law and. order there is so much more to do and the public knows that. but labour certainly won't do it. there's more to do to reform our vagrancy laws because we cannot let british cities go the way of san francisco or seattle . san francisco or seattle. there's more to do to ensure that foreign national offenders aren't clogging up our prisons for less serious crimes, but are booted out of britain as soon as possible . there's much more to possible. there's much more to do to end the scandal of rapists

and files, changing their names to evade sanction fines and criminal record checks . and so criminal record checks. and so we will bring fonnard legislation to prevent registered sex offenders from changing their identities . we changing their identities. we will work to strengthen background checks so that they can catch undisclosed change pages of identity . pages of identity. let me tell you something. i don't care if anyone thinks this is interfering with their human rights. it's time to worry less about the rights of sexual predators and more about the rights of victims .

rights of victims. i want to thank the safeguarding alliance for their tireless campaigning on this issue and let me go on and say this. i have a particular message to those brave police officers who risk their lives, risk their lives to protect the rest of us by carrying firearms into situations where they could be harmed or even killed . harmed or even killed. you are the thin blue line . you you are the thin blue line. you have our support. we are grateful for the vital work that you do day in, day out, and that's why i announced a review to report to me by the end of the year to ensure that the legal and operational framework in which they operate is robust

and commands the confidence of both officers and the public. and to those who ask whether labour can be trusted to fight crime, i have a two word answer for sadiq khan . for sadiq khan. if there's any justice in this world, susan hall is going to wipe the floor with him in . may wipe the floor with him in. may they've already started the character assassination against sue.the character assassination against sue. the distortions , the sue. the distortions, the insults, the lies , because insults, the lies, because that's what the labour party always does. it prefers smears to debate . now, personally, to debate. now, personally, i take their abuse as a compliment

. i know they've tried to make me into a hate figure because i tell the truth . the blunt, tell the truth. the blunt, unvarnished truth about what is happening in our country. unvarnished truth about what is happening in our country . and i happening in our country. and i know , i know there are some who know, i know there are some who think that emphasis being the importance of law and order or secure borders is unedit dying. they look down on those of us who care about such things of course they are entitled to their beliefs , but let's be their beliefs, but let's be honest . these are luxury beliefs honest. these are luxury beliefs . what do i mean by that ? our . what do i mean by that? our politically correct critics have money. they have status. they have loud voices . they have the have loud voices. they have the luxury of promoting seductive but irresponsible ideas , safe in but irresponsible ideas, safe in the knowledge that their privilege will insulate them from any collateral damage. the

luxury beliefs brigade sits in their ivory towers, telling ordinary people that they are morally deficient because they dare to get upset about the impact of illegal migration. net zero or habitual criminals. impact of illegal migration. net zero or habitual criminals . and zero or habitual criminals. and you can be sure of one thing people with luxury beliefs will flock to labour at the next general election because that's the way to get the kind of society they want . what is that society they want. what is that they want? and they like open borders . the migrants coming in borders. the migrants coming in won't be taking their jobs . borders. the migrants coming in won't be taking their jobs. in fact, they're more likely to have them mowing their lawns or cleaning their homes . they love cleaning their homes. they love soft sentences because the criminals who benefit from such ostentatious compassion won't be terrorising their streets or grooming their children . they're grooming their children. they're desperate to reverse brexit, but they think patriotic ism and is embarrassing and have no use for

their british passport unless it's taking them to their second homes in tuscany or the dordogne . for these people, i have a simple message you are entitled to your luxury beliefs, but the british people will no longer pay british people will no longer pay for them . pay for them. there's another reason i think we will win the next election. you see, we have a secret weapon . well, not that secret . . well, not that secret. everyone in this hall knows it. i think everyone who will be at labour conference knows it too. and our friends in the media definitely know it . our secret definitely know it. our secret weapon is sir keir starmer .

weapon is sir keir starmer. you see, the british people have no enthusiasm for sir keir starmer . they know that he believes in nothing. they know that he will say anything to anyone and then change his mind at the first sign of trouble . keir starmer sign of trouble. keir starmer lacks the personality to lead this country effectively. imagine an imagine what would happenif imagine an imagine what would happen if he became prime minister . luxury beliefs would minister. luxury beliefs would reign supreme. britain would go properly woke . things are bad properly woke. things are bad enough already . we see it in enough already. we see it in parts of whitehall, in museums and galleries and the police and even in leading companies in the city under the banner under the banner of diversity equity and inclusion , official policies inclusion, official policies have been embedded that distort the whole purpose of these institutions highly controversial ideas are presented to the workforce and

to the public as if they're motherhood and apple pie, gender ideology, white privilege or anti british history . and the anti british history. and the evidence demonstrates that if you don't challenge this poison things just get worse . whole things just get worse. whole institutions , organs become institutions, organs become captured . and of course, as captured. and of course, as always happens, when the left gets the upper hand, those who fail to conform are persecuted , fail to conform are persecuted, chased out of their jobs for saying that a man can't be a woman, scolded for rejecting that they're beneficiaries of institutional racism , institutional racism, disciplined for using the wrong words . this conservative words. this conservative government has begun the task of clearing out this pernicious nonsense . s .

nonsense. s. the british people will get to decide if they want to kerb woke with rishi sunak or let it run riot with keir. take the knee starmer lay labour is the party of pressure groups, rich zealots and trade union activists . but and trade union activists. but you know the conservative party conservative party is also a kind of trade union because we are the trade union of the british people . and i think we british people. and i think we should adopt as our motto , these should adopt as our motto, these lines from the poet shelley, which i'm shamelessly taking back from labour rise like lions after slumber in unvanquishable number. shake your chains to earth like dew , which in sleep earth like dew, which in sleep had fallen on you . you are many

had fallen on you. you are many , they are few . we stand with , they are few. we stand with the many the law abiding , hard the many the law abiding, hard working commie sense majority against the few . the privileged against the few. the privileged woke minority with their luxury beliefs who wield influence out of proportion to their numbers . of proportion to their numbers. our message to the people all is clear . we are our message to the people all is clear. we are raising our game . clear. we are raising our game. we are fighting for a britain that puts you first. we are on your side . that puts you first. we are on your side. thank you . your side. thank you. >> okay, so that was the home secretary >> suella braverman. they're speaking to rapturous applause at the conservative party conference in manchester. i think you may have managed to pick up that. it appears as though a brief moment

though there was a brief moment of protest. somebody's being escorted out after a little bit of shouting. our political editor christopher hope has gone to check out exactly what happened he will report happened there. he will report back i'm going back shortly. i'm going to summarise back shortly. i'm going to summebraverman had say suella braverman had to say there. she said britain has there. she said that britain has been migrants, been generous to migrants, asylum seekers . she says that we asylum seekers. she says that we need stop asylum need to stop bogus asylum claims. she also said that labour worse. she labour will be much worse. she was at to say that she was at pains to say that she also very strong, saying also was very strong, saying that essentially that labour has essentially deliberately rigged the migration and the illegal migration system and the illegal migration system and the illegal migration system and the illegal migration system in order to allow people in. she said that the human rights act should be renamed criminal rights act, renamed the criminal rights act, that against that labour will vote against everything she everything they tried to do. she moved fonnard then from migration about justice. migration to talk about justice. she said that a just stop oil are funding the labour party and that they are backing them up and that actually under labour you get social justice, not strong justice. she spoke about the work that the conservatives have grooming have done to tackle grooming gangs fight islamist gangs and to fight islamist terrorism. at pains terrorism. she was at pains again to say that is the most prevalent form of extremism that we also said that

we face. and she also said that registered sex offenders should not be allowed to change their name and gender. got quite name and gender. that got quite a of applause in the a lot of applause in the conference hall as well. she says that it's time to worry less about the human rights of sexual offenders like rapists and more about the human rights of the rest of us. and one last one for you as well. she was very strong saying that a lot of people have what she called luxury beliefs. she called them people have what she called lux1luxuryiefs. she called them people have what she called lux1luxury belief1e called them people have what she called lux1luxury belief brigade. them the luxury belief brigade. these are lofty are the people who have lofty ideas actually in ideas but aren't actually in impacted the real world impacted by the real world impacted by the real world impact of their ideology. such as open borders, etcetera. now, without further dither and delay, i am joined by the man himself. yes, that's right, matt vickers, mp, thank you very much. sitting there much. you've been sitting there throughout of that. throughout hours. all of that. let's start with immigration let's start with the immigration asylum first. she was asylum issue first. she was saying that the conservative party are strong borders and the labour party are no borders . is labour party are no borders. is she being a bit odd there ? not she being a bit odd there? not massive a strong borders at the minute. are you a few years ago we had this slogan of it and it was something are was it was something about are

you thinking are you thinking what we're thinking? >> know what? what we're thinking? >> when know what? what we're thinking? >> when know the|t? what we're thinking? >> when know the doorsteps in >> when i'm on the doorsteps in stockton, issue. stockton, this is a top issue. >> and the people of stockton are what are thinking exactly what what suella not thinking it >> and they're not thinking it because racist. they're because they're racist. they're not thinking. they're thinking it because they're concerned about the security of the country. about country. they're thinking about the of housing. >> so many people in hotels, etcetera, . it's etcetera, etcetera. it's a really big issue for the country. and i think suella country. and i think what suella was about a was talking about there made a lot of sense. >> and actually there is big >> and actually there is a big wedge issue there that wedge issue there in that the labour party have opposed every effort our borders more effort to make our borders more secure. they've opposed everything brought everything we've brought fonnard. consequence is fonnard. and the consequence is are the country. are huge for the country. >> moreover , for if we can >> but moreover, for if we can get the rwanda across the get the rwanda deal across the line, to see it line, we're going to see it in the courts in the very near future for the last final time. >> we start >> hopefully, and we can start putting that deterrent in place. it's going big change. it's going to make a big change. >> was really >> look what she was really stressing throughout stressing heavily throughout that are going that speech was things are going to under to be so much worse under laboun to be so much worse under labour. they don't actually want to is all to do anything. is that all you've look, not you've got now? look, it's not great with it'll much great with us, but it'll be much worse don't think at all. >> no, i don't think at all. i think actually what we're doing is the thing because if is the right thing because if you albania, you look at you look at albania, we've place

we've got a scheme in place now where if you arrive in this country from albania, you are going where you going back from to where you came and working came from and it's working because the number of people coming is down coming from albania is down 90. so if we can get the rwanda deal across it through across the line, get it through the through, the courts, get it through, pass these lefty lawyers, which is hopefully happen hopefully going to happen very, very soon. and people know that when they arrive in this country, be country, they are going to be detained will be detained and they will be returned. what we've returned. that's what we've got to took too long to to do. it took way too long to do if we can get it do it. but if we can get it across the line, going to across the line, it's going to be game changer. be a game changer. >> so those >> okay. all right. so those are your believe. i might >> okay. all right. so those are yotable believe. i might >> okay. all right. so those are yotable to believe. i might >> okay. all right. so those are yotable to bringieve. i might >> okay. all right. so those are yotable to bring in'e. i might >> okay. all right. so those are yotable to bring in johnnight be able to bring in john mcternan former mcternan now, who was a former adviser to tony blair. i'm getting in my ear as well getting it in my ear as well that i've got stephen pound, former labour mp . i was john former labour mp. i was john mcternan first though. there we go. good to see you and go. john good to see you and look suella braverman was basically blaming you for the state of the country , saying state of the country, saying that deliberately that you have deliberately figged that you have deliberately rigged it. that you have deliberately figgedit.the that you have deliberately rigged it. the human rights act should be called the criminal rights act and that the labour party well , essentially want party well, essentially want criminals immigrants criminals and illegal immigrants here for reason. your here for some reason. your thoughts ? thoughts? >> thought was making a >> i thought she was making a leadership speech and contesting

with nigel farage to be the next leader of the of the tory party i >> -- >> it's the most ludicrous speech.i >> it's the most ludicrous speech. i think i've seen. one which failed address her own which failed to address her own record in the last four days over a thousand refugees have arrived on our shores in small boats . boats. >> she says her policy for that is that those people are going to be detained and deported . she to be detained and deported. she doesn't have a rwanda policy . if doesn't have a rwanda policy. if the rwanda policy is eventually proved to be lawful, there's only, what, 180, 200 places there . she doesn't have any plan there. she doesn't have any plan at all apart , of course, from at all apart, of course, from attacking the labour party. >> and as you said, it's . is she >> and as you said, it's. is she right, though, john, to say that things will be will be worse under the labour party? i mean, you they might bad you know, they might be bad now, but she , she it will be worse but she, she it will be worse than the labour. no every every word in that speech including and, and thee were a lie of course it would be better under labour party. >> labour can do deal with >> labour can do a deal with france to processing in france to do processing in france to do processing in france you can actually france and then you can actually return people from france, the

countries from . if countries they came from. if they the right to come they don't get the right to come to britain. labour can do a deal with and to with europe and europol to actually know, actually have a, you know, a country be trusted country that can be trusted unden country that can be trusted under, under keir starmer, a prime ministership can actually do europe and that's do deals with europe and that's much effective. what got much more effective. what we got there was the invention of lie after lie after labour after lie after lie. labour doesn't believe in open borders. labourin doesn't believe in open borders. labour in the last labour government regularly deported far more people who claims that failed. that's the country they came from. so, you know, we can stand on our record as a labour government. it's clear suella braverman doesn't believe you can stand on record. can stand on the record. >> okay. >> interesting. okay. okay. okay. all right. i'll okay. okay. okay all right. i'll go back to you. that's interesting. matt, what john's saying there labour saying there is the labour government can stand on their record it comes to record when it comes to immigration. he was saying that labour apparently magically can do a deal with europol and with the french in a way that the tories can't. is he right? >> i think the uk needs to determine who's coming to this country, not brussels. and i think of has be think any sort of deal has to be a if you're taking your

a loser if you're taking your share eu's migrants. but share of the eu's migrants. but moreover, terms of record , moreover, in terms of record, keir starmer and his labour party have against every party have voted against every single measure we've put fonnard to up our immigration to toughen up our immigration system. they've bought it well, they've against the they've campaigned against the deportation they've campaigned against the deportatio they've voted against criminals. they've voted against tougher sentences for people smugglers. these evil smugglers. yes, these evil people who put people in the boats profit on the back of boats and profit on the back of it, they've voted against tougher sentencing those tougher sentencing for those people. out of people. it's completely out of kilter. it will be big kilter. and it will be the big dividing this election comes. >> i'm going bring comes. >>i'm going bring stephen >> i'm going to bring in stephen pound former pound now, if i can, former labour stephen, i labour mp. okay. and stephen, i will put that to you, which is actually the labour record isn't particularly good. in fact, they have, as matt was saying, they're actively voted against pretty well that pretty much everything well that could control what's going on in the channel. so i mean she's got a hasn't she? suella no, a point hasn't she? suella no, no patrick completely >> patrick that's completely wrong. i have say, wrong. look, i have to say, i ran out of counting the pork pies speech hers . ran out of counting the pork pies speech hers. i pies in this speech of hers. i mean, basically mean, the idea that basically she was trashing the conservative government the conservative government for the last years, was saying last 13 years, she was saying whitehall has taken over by whitehall has been taken over by these hydra headed,

these monstrous hydra headed, woke, it is, this great woke, whatever it is, this great wild beast who's been in power for the last 13 years. is she saying that the tories have got no ability , no authority, no ability, because if they can't get it right in 13 years, how in the name of that's can name of all that's holy, can they get it right they be expected to get it right in five years? i'm in the next five years? i'm sorry. all this sorry. and as for all this nonsense this we've been nonsense that this we've been coming on meat coming out about taxes on meat and flying and everything, this is desperation. what is absolute desperation. what i'm , patrick, i'm not hearing, patrick, i think, is anything that's actually saying to the country, this we're going to do this is what we're going to do to make you feel better. this is what to about what we're going to do about energy security. this is what we're doing about we're going to be doing about the living. we're not we're going to be doing about the to living. we're not we're going to be doing about the to do .iving. we're not we're going to be doing about the to do about we're not we're going to be doing about the to do about there not we're going to be doing about the to do about the health going to do about the health service, about housing. not service, about housing. i'm not heanng service, about housing. i'm not hearingyou get that, stephen? but service, about housing. i'm not he beigyou get that, stephen? but service, about housing. i'm not he be fair,| get that, stephen? but service, about housing. i'm not he be fair, she's.1at, stephen? but service, about housing. i'm not he be fair, she's. yeah,:ephen? but service, about housing. i'm not he be fair, she's. yeah, buten? but service, about housing. i'm not hebe fair, she's. yeah, but you but to be fair, she's. yeah, but you didn't she's didn't hear that because she's the secretary right? i the home secretary right? i mean, if she mean, it'd be weird if she started about wind started talking about wind turbines, i mean, started talking about wind turbinwnot. i mean, started talking about wind turbinwnot. that's i mean, started talking about wind turbinwnot. that's not i mean, started talking about wind turbinwnot. that's not i me.she that's not. that's not what she was be was there to do. she should be talking law and order. talking about law and order. >> nothing about the >> i heard nothing about the police, fear police, nothing about the fear in our the horrors in our streets, the horrors that most people i used to most of the people i used to represent yeah. most of the people i used to rep okay. yeah. most of the people i used to rep okay. right. yeah. most of the people i used to rep okay. right. ye right, >> okay. all right. all right, stephen. them up stephen. i'll just bring them up back actually, back in now because actually, she the police. she did talk about the police. okay she did praise the police

and commissioner. and crime commissioner. she called and crime commissioner. she callknee. starmer, was the knee. starmer, which was pretty says she pretty strong. she says that she wants law and order, whereas i'm sorry, proper justice. she said sorry, properjustice. she said , whereas under labour you would just get social justice, i suppose she's trying to say there that that really you do care about things like violent crime and knife crime. >> we we actually saw >> well, we saw we actually saw announced that was, announced amongst that lot was, was whole life sentences for some most violent some of the most heinous violent sexual fonnards, sexual crimes moving fonnards, toughening up on sentencing , toughening up on sentencing, carry on toughening up on sentencing is fundamental. but moreover , we talked about, you moreover, we talked about, you know, party of protest, the know, the party of protest, the party is not only not only party that is not only not only thinks is acceptable for these people to glue themselves to rod and cause absolute chaos for anybody wants to get on with anybody who wants to get on with their lives, actually is their lives, but actually is selling off their policies on that going to that front. they're going to stop licences for stop us giving out licences for british they want stop us giving out licences for britoh they want stop us giving out licences for brito import they want stop us giving out licences for brito import it they want stop us giving out licences for brito import it 'abroad,1t us to import it from abroad, costing costing our costing us jobs, costing our economy things economy and making things miserable. i miserable. all right, matt, i will leave there with you and will leave it there with you and release from your duties. will leave it there with you and releand from your duties. will leave it there with you and releand i from your duties. will leave it there with you and releand i amrom your duties. will leave it there with you and releand i am aboutnur duties. will leave it there with you and releand i am aboutnur dutiis. >> and i am about to go, i think, toe with think, toe to toe with john mcternan and stephen if mcternan and stephen pound, if possible . john, i'll bring you

possible. john, i'll bring you back in. john watson, a former adviser to tony blair. let's talk about a couple of the other things that suella braverman mentioned there, which is about registered offenders . registered sex offenders. they're going to stop them from being able to change their name and gender and basically mask their identity and then clearly, potentially find it easier to go on and commit the most heinous crimes. i've got to be honest with you, john, i did wonder why on earth that hadn't been done already. well you if you listen to the footnote she put into her speech , uh, well, she sort of speech, uh, well, she sort of said, we need to find better ways to enforce the criminal checks and the she was actually acknowledging , saying that if acknowledging, saying that if people choose to misrepresent who they are, you have to have a process for checking who they are. >> and she didn't really have an answer to it. she wants to issue answer to it. she wants to issue a ban. okay. she can say that. she can say it in parliament. say in manchester, say on a say in manchester, say on on a train , wherever she do. train, wherever she wants to do. she didn't indicate there was any mechanism she knew of to

actually stop people misrepresenting who they are. and, you know, fraud is probably one of the biggest, uh, areas of crime that's exploded in the last years . and there's not last few years. and there's not really coherent strategy from really a coherent strategy from the government the police the government or the police service do anything it. service to do anything about it. >> absolute . yeah, >> look, with absolute. yeah, i'm i'm just going to cut i'm just i'm just going to cut across you there just because we've bit of we've got a little bit of a potential scoop , i think, from potential scoop, i think, from our political editor, christopher hope , who you might christopher hope, who you might have seen that there was a little bit of a protest that took place during ng suella braverman speech there. okay. and shoppers saw it and legged it over and i believe, christopher, that you had a little bit of an interaction with the protester, is that right? >> that's right. just been with him, literally sprinted from this studio here with you, patrick, and find him. patrick, to go and find him. yeah, i've interviewed him on my mobile air mobile phone. it's going to air on imminently. he is. he on gb news imminently. he is. he says boff . okay. says he's andrew boff. okay. he's of the london he's a member of the london assembly . he's tory, tory assembly. he's a tory, a tory elected member of the london

assembly who was shouting there about us, about suella braverman. it's deeply embarrassing . the last time this embarrassing. the last time this ever happened in the party conference, i was there when it was a comedian hand gave a p45 statement to theresa may. i've never known an elected member of a london assembly to heckle suella braverman, the home secretary. this is. this is a disaster for the tory party , right? >> okay. and you've got the footage of that which we're going to air shortly. >> surely cut by >> surely it's been cut now by our in manchester. our team here in manchester. >> okay. right interesting stuff. much, stuff. thank you very much, christopher. and look, thank you very john mcternan as very much to john mcternan as well pound, former well as stephen pound, a former labour and labour mp, stephen pound, and nigel farage is hotfooting it on his from the conference hall his way from the conference hall to studio as well. look, to the studio as well. look, it's obviously going to be an action packed hour coming your way couple of minutes way in just a couple of minutes time. don't you move. get time. don't you dare move. get the ready . we're off. the popcorn ready. we're off. okay. right. yeah there we go. i

believe we can go to your headunes believe we can go to your headlines now. and like i said, it is going to be a very, very busy hour coming your way. we're going to have footage of that press tester speaking exclusively hope exclusively to christopher hope , our political and , our political editor, and nigel show . in , our political editor, and nigea show . in , our political editor, and nigea dated show . in , our political editor, and nigea dated. show. in just a text dated. >> patrick. >> patrick. >> thanks very much indeed . >> thanks very much indeed. well, the top stories this hour. we're hearing at conservative party conference in manchester that's stopping the boats is one of the prime minister's five priorities. the latest figures show more than 25,000 people have been intercepted crossing the english channel in small boats so far this year. this time last year, the number was 33,000. we have a great multiethnic society and in many parts of our country, integration has worked. >> but there are also many towns and cities around the united kingdom where it hasn't. and communities are living parallel lives. they are coming from abroad. they are not learning

the language . they're not the language. they're not embracing british values , and embracing british values, and they're not taking part in british life. and that needs to be identified. we need to be fearless in calling that out. and that's my job. >> i was suella braverman the home secretary talking a short time ago the conference hall time ago in the conference hall in in manchester. well, battle lines are being drawn. the prime minister telling gb news he's the person to deliver change to britain. rishi sunak has also defended his record on illegal immigration, saying for the first time ever, the number of small boats crossing the channel is down by a fifth. he's also reiterated his plan to halve inflation and accused the labour leader of being weak on his policies . policies. >> you've got keir starmer, who you know, no one knows what he stands for, flip flops left and right. the country can see through that's not through that. that's not leadership. what offering leadership. what i'm offering is different. i know people want change. person to change. i'm the person to deliver it because we're going to differently . you to do politics differently. you saw net zero. you'll see saw that on net zero. you'll see that this week. that's what you get conservative get from a conservative government. meanwhile the prime minister is yet to confirm the

government's position on the future of the northern section of the hs2 rail project business is are demanding immediate clarity following reports. >> rishi sunak is planning to scrap the line from birmingham to manchester. it's understood the prime minister will soften the prime minister will soften the blow by announcing spending on other infrastructure projects in the north in a speech tomorrow . the now trans people, tomorrow. the now trans people, male to female trans women could be prevented from using female only hospital wards under new government plans. trans patients would be treated in separate accommodation , in which the accommodation, in which the campaign group stonewall says will be humiliating and dangerous . this the health dangerous. this the health secretary, steve barclay, has outlined the proposal at the conservative party conference. >> we will change the nhs constitution following a consultation later this year to make sure we respect the privacy , dignity and safety of all patients. recognise the importance of different

biological needs and protect the rights of women well away from events in manchester, junior doctors have threatened further industrial action in november and december unless they receive and december unless they receive a credible pay offer . a credible pay offer. >> they've been demonstrating outside the conference centre in manchester alongside consultants on day one of a three day strike. radiographers have also walked out for 24 hours. the bma are demanding a return to the negotiating table, but the government says this year's 6% pay government says this year's 6% pay rise is final . now murderers pay rise is final. now murderers who carry out sexually motivated attacks will automatically face attacks will automatically face a whole life sentence under new powers. the legal expectation on judges will apply retrospectively to those who've already been charged with the crime, but are yet to be sentenced. justice secretary alex chalk says for the most dangerous and depraved killers, life should really mean life . life should really mean life. now in news away from home, donald trump has called new york's attorney general corrupt. on the second day of his fraud

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now, here, the prince and princess of wales are in cardiff today of the today to meet members of the windrush generation . when prince windrush generation. when prince william princess catherine william and princess catherine were greeted by cheering schoolchildren arrived schoolchildren as they arrived for an event marking the start of black history month, the couple will windrush couple will meet windrush organisations to hear about their contribution to the welsh community. this is jb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . channel. >> wow. well it certainly kicked off here at the conservative party conference in manchester. we start with suella braverman. she was giving her speech quite a tubthumper of a speech covered a tubthumper of a speech covered a load of issues will get stuck into a tory member of into that. but a tory member of the london assembly was thrown out of the conference hall after heckling the home secretary. now, before that , braverman told now, before that, braverman told the conservative party conference they will do whatever

it takes to stop the boat. she warned that the country faces huge challenges, she says, of course , that the knows course, that the public knows that are the best that the tories are the best party to deal with them. she went on talking about the fact that we do too much as a nation at the moment to for stand up the human rights of criminals. she mentioned sexual she even mentioned sexual predators. mentioned predators. she even mentioned actually, said that we need actually, and said that we need to start protecting the human rights else. rights of everybody else. okay. she there is the she also said that there is the luxury which luxury belief brigade which exists in this country, who have these lofty ideas about things like open borders, but whose lives really touched by lives aren't really touched by the world consequences of the real world consequences of their own ideology. so the human rights act should be renamed the criminal rights act and that it would be much worse. she says , would be much worse. she says, under labour. okay lots to unpack i joined by gb unpack here. i am joined by gb news political editor christopher hope and also the conservative for mansfield, conservative mp for mansfield, ben bradley . both of you, thank ben bradley. both of you, thank you very, very much . and you very, very much. and christopher, can i just start with because look, shortly with you? because look, shortly we're having we're going to be having a little of video, i think, little bit of video, i think, from but what from this protester. but what happened? you caught up with

this was. this guy as he was. >> i was hotfooted it your >> i was hotfooted it from your stand find him. stand here to go and find him. found him out there interviewed on phone. found him out there interviewed on phone . we'll see on my mobile phone. we'll see that shortly. aired news. that shortly. aired on gb news. he's a tory party he's andrew boff a tory party member years. stood to member for 50 years. he stood to be the conservative candidate for london mayor when they were looking for the right candidate. a couple of times. he's a man who's respected the who's respected within the party, certainly within the capital. protesting, he capital. he was protesting, he says, about what he sees as transphobia in the government policies. and he's wearing, i think it was a rainbow lanyard . think it was a rainbow lanyard. so about that. so he's concerned about that. the the way the the home secretary the way the home office has taken some stand in that point. he's very concerned. i've never my time in that point. he's very coryearsd. i've never my time in that point. he's very coryears covering ver my time in that point. he's very coryears covering politics,y time in that point. he's very coryears covering politics, seene 20 years covering politics, seen a mayor of a conservative elected mayor of an shout at the home an assembly shout at the home secretary in such an embarrassing public way. >> okay. but before we get stuck into actual substance of into the actual substance of what is she what suella said, i mean, is she transphobic ? transphobic? >> no. >> no. >> i think the government suella are putting are quite rightly putting safeguarding at the forefront of that. safeguarding at the forefront of that . it was safeguarding at the forefront of that. it was around and that. it was around prisons and where trans people go in male or female prisons. and we've seen some horrible examples of what

happens if that goes wrong and if at the if safeguarding is not at the forefront that. i don't think forefront of that. i don't think it's transphobic that, it's transphobic to say that, you biology is really you know, biology is really important that conversation. important in that conversation. and we have to protect the rights women in female rights of women in female pnsons rights of women in female prisons and female spaces. so i think spot on. inevitably, think she's spot on. inevitably, it's a contentious conversation think she's spot on. inevitably, it's a (it?tentious conversation think she's spot on. inevitably, it's a tit?teniyeah,:onversation think she's spot on. inevitably, it's a (it?teniyeah, notersation , isn't it? so yeah, not surprise some people disagree, but think spot on. >> on. >> okay. all right. we will have more that a little later >> okay. all right. we will have mo because it a little later >> okay. all right. we will have mo because it a liigoing later >> okay. all right. we will have mobecauseit a liigoing laget on because we're going to get a bit video footage. and in bit of video footage. and in fact, i doing segment on fact, i am doing a segment on that thing later in the that very thing later in the show, about whether or that very thing later in the sho somebody about whether or that very thing later in the shosomebody ab0|was1ether or not somebody who was born biologically end in biologically male can end up in a prison. would a women's prison. one would imagine would apply imagine the same would apply the other although imagine the same would apply the other a although imagine the same would apply the other a less though imagine the same would apply the other a less threatening. imagine the same would apply the othe ben, a less threatening. imagine the same would apply the otheben, i'll less threatening. imagine the same would apply the othe ben, i'll get;s threatening. imagine the same would apply the othe ben, i'll get you reatening. imagine the same would apply the otheben, i'll get you ontening. imagine the same would apply the otheben, i'll get you on some. and ben, i'll get you on some of the substance now of what she said. said we have to said. she said that we have to stop asylum claims that stop bogus asylum claims that the rights should the human rights act should be renamed rights act, renamed the criminal rights act, that voted against that labour had voted against everything have that labour had voted against everyto ng have that labour had voted against everyto ng to have that labour had voted against everyto ng to stop have that labour had voted against everyto ng to stop the have that labour had voted against everyto ng to stop the boats 'e tried to do to stop the boats and kerb illegal migration and that we have a choice now between strong borders under the tories borders under tories or open borders under laboun tories or open borders under labour. fair? i think so. >> so. >> i think we have been trying really hard for a long time to tackle this issue of illegal

migration. i've been your migration. i've been on your programme before talking about what that means to our communities. about communities. it's not about race, it's not about what country come it's country people come from. it's about fairness and the access to pubuc about fairness and the access to public services and the impact that it has on those communities. i you communities. and i think you were your of were right in your your kind of intro to it intro earlier on to say it affects some communities really acutely and other people, you know, it means there's a new interesting the interesting restaurant on the corner. exactly i she's corner. exactly so i think she's spot raise it. i think she spot on to raise it. i think she has consistently in the last few weeks, particularly a immigration weeks immigration speech a few weeks ago, into these ago, got into these international treaties and this international treaties and this international obligations that we have that consistently seem to prevent us from the to prevent us from taking the action need to take to tackle action we need to take to tackle those border issues. and really important she's willing to important that she's willing to now into that and to make now dig into that and to make changes. >> are happy with the >> but are you happy with the language being for me, immigration is all about language it. language and how you term it. she described there about unprecedented mass migration, a hurricane in this language, which you want to see the modern day tory use its language day tory party use its language more ukip in the old days. more of ukip in the old days. >> no, we'll have to we have to accept really accept this is a really important that people

important issue that people really about. and really care about. and i think lots people that lots of people feel that way, rightly again, rightly or wrongly. but again, there's from the outside, there's always from the outside, there's always from the outside, there's always from the outside, there's a kind of racial overtone that's added to it, which is not actually there in what she ever says. it's entirely that fairness entirely about that fairness issue. and if you live , you issue. and if you live, you know, if you rely on public services you are services in particular, you are impacted by the fact i'm a council leader. right. increasing amounts of our funding that is meant for vulnerable kids vulnerable vulnerable kids or vulnerable adults is spent on housing illegal migrants is spent on things that it's not there for. >> the one thing that you can't really get around is that this has on your watch, has happened on your watch, hasn't it? >> it's a particular covid >> well, it's a particular covid issue, so used issue, isn't it? so people used to the of lorries. to come in the back of lorries. nobody noticed. we nobody really noticed. we didn't. it and didn't. we looked at it and there tragedies that there were some tragedies that happened circumstances there were some tragedies that happeneit circumstances there were some tragedies that happeneit became circumstances there were some tragedies that happeneit became incrediblylces too. but it became incredibly visible lorries weren't visible when the lorries weren't coming people started to coming and people started to come small so it's come on small boats. so it's quite recent issue and one quite a recent issue and one that are trying really hard that we are trying really hard to it's pretty to tackle. i think it's pretty clear what suella says right clear what suella says is right that only party that we are the only party that's likely to be in government soon is government any time soon that is going tackle there going to tackle it. but there

are clear barriers, are these clear barriers, particularly review, particularly judicial review, particularly international obugafions particularly international obligations really particularly international obligati(that really particularly international obligati(that suella really particularly international obligati(that suella is eally particularly international obligati(that suella is saying pleased that suella is saying now, you know, we want to renegotiate those things internationally, but actually we're not going for we're not going to wait for that. we to get on and do that. we need to get on and do what we need to do. >> right. did also >> okay. all right. she did also hit law and order. so hit on so law and order. so it wasn't just all about immigration. strong immigration. she was very strong on order. alluded to on law and order. she alluded to the of just stop oil being the idea of just stop oil being the idea of just stop oil being the kind of power behind labour's potential throne . she labour's potential throne. she said that the tory party have done a lot to tackle on grooming gangs they are focussed gangs and that they are focussed laser focus cracking laser like focus on cracking down biggest terror down on the biggest terror threat, which the islamist threat, which is the islamist extremism threat , she said. extremism threat, she said. thank you very much to all of the police and crime commissioners that were there, but there is a perception in this country at the moment that law and order has gone to the dogs. >> well, think we are getting >> well, i think we are getting back place we've back to a place where we've got more police officers. certainly in nottinghamshire i'm in nottinghamshire where i'm from, about the same from, we're back about the same level historically ever level as we historically ever have which is good. have been, which is good. i think neighbourhood think there's a neighbourhood element there's element to that. i think there's something about priorities and focus touching

focus that suella is touching on there a lot about there and she talks a lot about people pulled off in people being pulled off in directions that shouldn't necessarily be priorities . and necessarily be priorities. and actually need focus actually we really need to focus that neighbourhood and that local policing crime that local policing on the crime that affects people, the burglary, the behaviour. the anti—social behaviour. and we've seen crackdown in recent months on things like the anti—social that anti—social behaviour that blights think blights communities. so i think they're to the right they're getting to the right place. government doesn't directly police directly always run the police and those priorities, so and set those priorities, so it's not always a straightfonnard thing her to straightfonnard thing for her to tackle. also , you tackle. but there's also, you know, complex know, it's increasingly complex crime, online, crime, increasingly online, increasingly side of increasingly that terror side of things see as the things we never see as the pubuc things we never see as the public because it's managed outside of sphere. outside of our sphere. >> about a lot of >> we don't hear about a lot of expensive and complicated things. of near things. a lot of the near misses. no, is misses. yeah no, that is absolutely . i'm just misses. yeah no, that is absolltoly . i'm just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go . i'm just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go now, . i'm just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go now, i . i'm just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go now, i thinki'm just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go now, i think t0| just misses. yeah no, that is absollto go now, i think to this: going to go now, i think to this images and the videos that we do have of. so this is a chap who was saying is andrew boff conservative am assembly member in london and he was kicked out of suella braverman's speech for heckling her supposedly over being transphobic. i think we can play this now .

can play this now. >> he officer my name is andrew boff. >> i'm a member of the london assembly and a loyal and a loyal tory for 50 years. >> so why always set out to trash why this gb news? >> why are you saying that trash about gender ideology is making our conservative party look transphobic and homophobic ? transphobic and homophobic? >> this is not what the conservative party is about. >> we have a proud record for standing up. >> get in our way. okay. thank you. >> but you're a conservative. of course i'm a conservative. are you? about the party now? >> of course i am . so? >> of course i am. so? >> of course i am. so? >> so why are you shouting about the ? the cloakroom? >> the cloakroom? >> the cloakroom? >> no, we'll get, you know , get >> no, we'll get, you know, get you. going to be leaving >> no, we'll get, you know, get you site. going to be leaving >> no, we'll get, you know, get you site. please,g to be leaving >> no, we'll get, you know, get you site. please, sir. be leaving the site. please, sir. >> name, sir, andrew boss. >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of assembly, member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the assembly, member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the party assembly, member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the party forissembly, member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the party for 50lmbly, member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the party for 50 years member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of the party for 50 years and ember of the party for 50 years and a proud member. >> going shout at >> i'm not going to shout at your because she your home secretary because she was absolutely about genden >> i'm ideology about wokeness and all the rest of it. >> our party has a proud record

of standing up for lgbt rights, and she's destroying it. it's time she sorted out her own department rather than giving this trash away . this trash away. >> if you are leaving the site, you'll have to come here. >> why are you saying that, though? sorry? why is it. >> why are you saying that, though? sorry? why is it . why though? sorry? why is it. why are you saying can i have my thing out of the party? >> sorted, sir, you're here for me. thank you. >> and you? why are you saying. >> and you? why are you saying. >> why are you saying like that? about of braverman. well because she's trans people, she's scapegoating trans people, gay anybody who doesn't gay people, anybody who doesn't fit her model. >> she's dogwhistling . and she's >> she's dogwhistling. and she's also over a department also presiding over a department thatis also presiding over a department that is failing dismally in terms of process and asylum seekers . seekers. >> okay , so that's strong stuff >> okay, so that's strong stuff there from andrew boff. >> i will just reiterate a couple of things he said. he says it's suella braverman is talking trash about gender ideology it's the ideology. it's making the conservative look conservative party look transphobic. suella transphobic. he accused suella braverman of engaging in dog whistle politics. it's basically that he's ashamed of the conservative party. yeah. ben,

your ? your reaction? >> well, i disagree. i think it's of those issues it's one of those issues frustratingly that always frustratingly, that it is always seemingly . right. and seemingly so binary. right. and you raise concerns or you can't raise concerns or criticise without being accused of those kinds of things. i don't think that's fair or reflects what she said. i think there are a lot of people in this country who are really concerned kind concerned about this kind of creeping conversation, creeping gender conversation, whether in prisons and whether that is in prisons and the safe guarding stuff. we talked in talked about, whether it's in schools teach our schools and what we teach our kids. really kids. i think it's really important right that as important and it's right that as the of government, we the party of government, we tackle i've tackle important issues. i've got here the tory party. >> i said, any any comment on the protester ? they say he's not the protester? they say he's not coming back in. >> he's not coming back in. what's noting as what's worth noting there as well christopher hope well is that christopher hope got out with him the pi'ocoss. >> process. >> i disappear without my pass. i couldn't back in. i was i couldn't get back in. i was late for show. all for late for your show. all all for the viewers, patrick, we the gb news viewers, patrick, we will off. will let you off. >> will definitely let you >> we will definitely let you off. it tie in a little bit off. does it tie in a little bit with suella was with what suella braverman was also mention also saying? she did mention about gender ideology. she also said history being about gender ideology. she also said correctly history being about gender ideology. she also said correctly to history being about gender ideology. she also said correctly to children eing about gender ideology. she also said correctly to children ing taught correctly to children in schools. she said that several

institutions had been captured by a group of people who are the luxury belief brigade are of a certain ideology . is that true? certain ideology. is that true? have they been captured? >> i think so. i think it's a minority of places , but i think minority of places, but i think it is really important to tackle at its root and whether that is revisionist versions of british history or whether that is the gender conversation, you know, you see some really extreme examples where people do have some independence to teach and deliver things in the way that they actually we would they want, but actually we would want a government they want, but actually we would wan'as a government they want, but actually we would wan'as a a government they want, but actually we would wan'as a country, a government they want, but actually we would wan'as a country, a clear'nment they want, but actually we would wan'as a country, a clear setent they want, but actually we would wan'as a country, a clear set of: and as a country, a clear set of british and i think that british values and i think that needs been needs to be clearer. i've been one those. needs to be clearer. i've been onewhat ose. needs to be clearer. i've been onewhat are british values? >> what are british values? >> what are british values? >> it's a complicated >> well, it's a complicated thing, to explain thing, right, to explain and justify. what think on justify. but what i think on education need education is that you need to have set parameters have a clear set of parameters as to what it is we teach our kids. i've been working with miriam cates on the conversation about sexual education in schools and how that has crept and how ideology of different teachers has led to people being taught is not what's taught stuff that is not what's in the biology textbooks, shall we . and that shouldn't be

we say. and that shouldn't be allowed okay fair enough. >> christopher, what's your take on boff ? is it should he on andrew boff? is it should he be out the party? it's be thrown out of the party? it's all leave the all very well saying leave the conference. but that conference. but is that appropriate the appropriate to embarrass the home a way on home secretary in such a way on a national stage? >> it's not helpful, it? >> it's not helpful, is it? clearly. know, it's clearly. but, you know, it's he's member of your party. >> not normal person. party. >> aret normal person. party. >> are only ormal person. party. >> are only a mal person. party. >> are only a few person. party. >> are only a few hundred party. >> awhotly a few hundred party. >> awho are] few hundred party. >> awho are elected ndred people who are elected to be represent the in public. represent the party in public. he is one. yeah. >> decision somebody above >> decision for somebody above my if you my station. obviously, if you were of parliament, i'm were a member of parliament, i'm sure would have sure the whips office would have a that. i'm they a view on that. i'm sure they i imagine equivalent in imagine there's equivalent in the there the assembly. i imagine there will be a conversation, but ultimately . both political ultimately right. both political parties, major parties are a broad the point broad church of views. the point of conference many ways is we of conference in many ways is we have a debate, discipline is have a debate, but discipline is disintegrating here. >> hs2, disintegrating here. >> about hs2, disintegrating here. >> about the hs2, disintegrating here. >> about the net hs2, disintegrating here. >> about the net zero.hs2, disintegrating here. >> about the net zero. you've leaks about the net zero. you've got a person yelling at in pubuc got a person yelling at in public at the home secretary. it's not great. >> i don't think discipline is disintegrating. inevitably and you we you know, social media world we live are sniffing you know, social media world we live everything.re sniffing around everything. >> him to do >> we're not causing him to do that he just does it and we that. he just does it and we report on it. >> look on unfortunately has >> no, look on unfortunately has dominated conversation dominated the conversation over the days, it? the last few days, hasn't it? i'm sure get some clarity

i'm sure we'll get some clarity on that. >> t- w— >> taking the heat off that, to be fair. >> taking the heat off that, to be well, yeah, i'm sure >> taking the heat off that, to be wget yeah, i'm sure >> taking the heat off that, to be wget some i'm sure >> taking the heat off that, to be wget some clarity i'm sure >> taking the heat off that, to be wget some clarity from sure >> taking the heat off that, to be wget some clarity from the we'll get some clarity from the pm. what all want in that pm. but what we all want in that conversation certainty conversation is the certainty of knowing which conversation is the certainty of knowinglike which conversation is the certainty of knowinglike it's which conversation is the certainty of knowinglike it's on which conversation is the certainty of knowinglike it's on way. which sounds like it's on its way. yeah, exactly. >> thank you. >> look, ben, thank you. slightly twist slightly unexpected twist to this appreciate slightly unexpected twist to th nonetheless. appreciate slightly unexpected twist to th nonetheless. bradlee, te it nonetheless. ben bradlee, conservative for mansfield, conservative mp for mansfield, right . loads conservative mp for mansfield, right. loads more conservative mp for mansfield, right . loads more still to conservative mp for mansfield, right. loads more still to come on suella big speech. that's on our website as gb news.com. our website as well. gb news.com. the national the fastest growing national news website country. all news website in the country. all the analysis, big opinion the best analysis, big opinion and latest breaking news. and the latest breaking news. but because we but don't go anywhere because we are to hear from nigel are about to hear from nigel farage, his hot take on suella braverman speech don't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss|an speech don't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss that. leech don't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss that. andi don't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss that. and we don't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss that. and we willon't want farage, his hot take on suella br.miss that. and we will bet want to miss that. and we will be playing you that clip again from christopher political christopher hope, our political editor to corner editor who managed to corner a protester shortly before and during, then immediately during, and then immediately after he was thrown out of conservative party conference. don't patrick

monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> welcome back. 4:23. you are watching or listening to me, patrick christys right here on gb news. now, later this hour, we will discuss a policy that could see more murderers given whole life orders. but let's get more now on suella braverman big speech. and to do that, i am joined by nigel farage. nigel, you don't seem a happy man. >> oh , lots of rhetoric. >> oh, lots of rhetoric. >> oh, lots of rhetoric. >> there's a hurricane of immigration coming from north africa and elsewhere. we must be prepared. we will do whatever it takes to stop the small boats and then when it comes to solutions, do you know what she

offered? nothing >> the echr nothing . >> the echr nothing. >> the echr nothing. >> she didn't even mention echr. we'd all expect id this to be the big policy announcement on what is one of the top 2 or 3 policies in the country . you policies in the country. you know, we've got to stop the small boats. the public wants it. want the small boat it. 70% want the small boat stopped . i think crossings stopped. i think the crossings are wrong . she's offered are wrong. she's offered no solutions. is the most solutions. it is the most disappointing speech from a so—called hard line , you know, so—called hard line, you know, home office minister we could ever have expected . ever have expected. >> do you think that not mentioning the echr and just talking about things like it will definitely be worse under labouris will definitely be worse under labour is particularly weak . labour is particularly weak. >> oh, so we're useless . labour >> oh, so we're useless. labour will be worse . it's a rainy will be worse. it's a rainy thursday evening . shall we go thursday evening. shall we go and vote? do you know what we're pour another drink. what is the point of it? yeah what is the point of it? yeah what is the point of it all? that does is lead to tory abstention ism labour would be worse. how much worse ? how much higher taxes?

worse? how much higher taxes? well, she spoke about. >> she spoke about open borders . she said that there's a choice now got open borders, now they've got open borders, net migration is running at record levels. >> 1.2 record levels. >>1.2 million people record levels. >> 1.2 million people settled in >>1.2 million people settled in britain last year. even in the blair days, we didn't see numbers even approaching this . numbers even approaching this. i'm sorry. it is absolutely pathetic. >> okay. all right. and she accused labour of deliberately rigging the deck, saying that they were instilled the human rights don't care about labour. >> i don't care about labour. this is a government that's been in for 13 years that is asking for your vote. and they're saying the other lot are worse. we're useless. the other lot are worse. i'm sorry. okay? i'm sorry. all right. >> what should she have said ? >> what should she have said? >> what should she have said? >> that we will stop the boats . >> that we will stop the boats. we will prevent an unnamed judge at 10 pm. who probably very likely wasn't even legally trained from stopping that plane going to rwanda . we will leave going to rwanda. we will leave the echr . we will complete the

the echr. we will complete the brexit process . we will have, of brexit process. we will have, of course , every sense of liberty course, every sense of liberty and human rights in the uk, but we'll be in charge . she has we'll be in charge. she has ducked this. this is this speech is the biggest failure of this conference so far. >> wow . i mean, that really is >> wow. i mean, that really is quite a claim given that this conference has also had to rearing its head. well i mean, you know, can you can you believe it? >> here are in manchester. we >> here we are in manchester. we don't know whether they're going to the manchester to cancel cancel the manchester leg suella performance leg and given suella performance today, maybe rishi tomorrow won't give an answer either . won't give an answer either. they clue . they they haven't got a clue. they literally they run out of ideas. they run out of energy . there's they run out of energy. there's nothing in that room in that hall worth seeing . the real hall worth seeing. the real debate is out here on the fringe. that's where the real debate is. >> do you think that there is a bigger discussion act than arguably there has been in the last ten, 20 years, maybe between conservative voters , between conservative voters, conservative members and the actual politicians , the centre actual politicians, the centre of gravity of the parliamentary party is so far apart.

>> and these people standing around here now, it's unbelievable. >> but look, she she used quite a lot of language there in terms of like i was saying, oh, labour want open borders, etcetera. i know you've addressed that. i know. she also know you've addressed that. i know on she also know you've addressed that. i know on to she also know you've addressed that. i know on to talk she also know you've addressed that. i know on to talk aboutshe also know you've addressed that. i know on to talk about thingso went on to talk about things like you know, like are, look, you know, these people beliefs. people have got luxury beliefs. the their the luxury belief brigade, their lives aren't touched. i think she's previously called them something along the lines of your people in your tofu eating people in islington or whatever. she mentioned ideology . she mentioned gender, ideology. she mentioned, being proud mentioned, you know, being proud of history. of british history. she mentioned that kind mentioned challenging that kind of groupthink amongst of left wing groupthink amongst our institutions. spoken our institutions. she's spoken there about the fact that, you know, doing the main know, we're doing the main threat country is threat to this country is islamist terrorism. do you think she was just saying all of the right phrases there without trying to mask that? there wasn't a huge amount of substance playing all the right notes, but not offering one single not one single point or promise in that speech to fix any of it. okay. well then my next question to you is this on the day that rishi sunak , the

the day that rishi sunak, the prime minister, caught up with our political editor and did not rule out you rejoining the conservative party, you can hear about britain. you say that the thing that matters most to you is this country and the future of this country. well, why don't you join the conservative you then join the conservative party and try to lead it? >> well, after this speech ? i >> well, after this speech? i mean, are you having a laugh ? if mean, are you having a laugh? if i mean a party of high tax, a party of huge legal, let alone illegal, wouldn't you be able to change that? no no, no, no. this lot appear to be unchangeable. may be after they lose the next election and we get the real fight out between the one nation remainers and the leavers who want to become pro—business and low tax . maybe then we'll get low tax. maybe then we'll get some idea whether this mob are worth supporting right now. i wouldn't join them . i wouldn't wouldn't join them. i wouldn't even for them. even vote for them. >> and there's has it >> and there's actually has it been speech seriously that been that speech seriously that has crystallised putting has really crystallised putting you off? >> it proves their gutlessness. it weak they are. it it proves how weak they are. it

proves they can't be bold in absolutely anything they do. this was billed to be one of the major speeches of the week and the centrepiece was the european convention on human rights . she convention on human rights. she didn't even mention it. convention on human rights. she didn't even mention it . gutless, didn't even mention it. gutless, weak, useless . weak, useless. >> no, i mean, it is fascinating . she also went on to talk about the fact that they've she says they've done for grooming they've done a bit for grooming gangs and stopping them and making sure that those people are she are going to be centres. she said she going to make said that she is going to make sure registered sure that registered sex offenders from offenders are stopped from changing their name and gender, therefore being able to mask their identity until she gets challenged in court under the european human european convention of human rights . rights and loses. >> can't do anything. >> well, we can't do anything. we can't do anything. i mean, ben wallace made this clear when he resigned as defence secretary. we can't do anything . all the while, we're under the auspices of this bizarre organisation. >> what's she afraid of? because, again, you know , you because, again, you know, you ask most people here, are you afraid of her own party because they're split down the middle.

>> they're 5050. it's like leave and remain this is a divided party. you know what? and a house divided against itself can't stand, can't succeed , and can't stand, can't succeed, and they won't. so having now attended two days of the conservative party conference, you will, of course, be doing a show later on. >> i'll get you to preview what you got coming up on that. but are you now, now more or less certain about a labour victory in the next election? >> more certain, more , more sap? >> more certain, more, more sap? what is coming out of this to the country? indecision on hs2. what else? what's the what's the big sell to the country coming out of manchester from this conference? can you tell me? no there you are. >> no, no, i can't. and i have been listening intently. i'm quite there. you are. i am quite literally paid to be here. and so, there go. but but, so, yes, there we go. but but, of doubt we'll be of course, no doubt we'll be talking other conservative or talking to other conservative or conservative mps later on in the show who i ask them that. i show who i will ask them that. i will them, okay, is will say to them, okay, what is the what is the the big sell? what is the big sell going fonnard? sell of this going fonnard? and

what's your show later? what's on your show later? >> ian duncan smith sir sir >> ian duncan smith sir ian sir ian i'll ask him that very question . we'll have a special question. we'll have a special report lampedusa . good from report from lampedusa. good from mark white, our home affairs correspondent, who's been down there, and we'll realise that there, and we'll realise that the vastly increased numbers crossing the med means even more across the channel next year . across the channel next year. unless we act and do something . unless we act and do something. and i, i have to say my tone tonight will be on the show . one tonight will be on the show. one of the tories at manchester our i've let themselves down and the country as well . country as well. >> okay. just sorry. very quickly actually, because this is something that we were having a little chat about off air. i think it's quite interesting for people know that when nigel people to know that when nigel does walk in here, the paps are out in force. you're kind of to be fair, the big draw of this , be fair, the big draw of this, okay, you get a lot of attention wherever you go. people do hang off every word that say. but off every word that you say. but the that you've had the reaction that you've had generally conservative generally from conservative party is surprised party members, is that surprised you? blowing? you? mind blowing? >> i thought there could be some

lingering resentment in a ukip fighting them as candidates in general elections. it's been unbelievable . i've been unbelievable. i've been gobsmacked the response . and gobsmacked by the response. and what's been really interesting here, how many young people here just look around you now there are many young people here are so many young people here hungry for genuine pro business conservative ideas, worried they may never have a house, can't get on a gp list, will never have an nhs dentist and will have an nhs dentist and will have to pay off the debt for our generation and our parents generation. these people are hungry for something and the way i've been received, patrick has been unbelievable. >> okay, well, tell you >> okay, well, i'll tell you what, we'll be on what, nigel, we'll be live on your from your television screens from seven until 8 pm, and it's going to be fiery . it's going to going to be fiery. it's going to be fantastic stuff. nigel grey, thank you very much for coming on more still to on the show. loads more still to come 5:00, come between now and 5:00, i will reaction of will get the reaction again of suella braverman's conference speech from tory this speech from a tory mp, but this time i'm time from home the red wall. i'm also to be talking about also going to be talking about whether it's okay to whether or not it's okay to install full live tariffs, whole life tariffs on the most serious

criminals , but retrospectively criminals, but retrospectively that was something that went under the radar today. and amongst all the chaos. but first, it's your latest headlines. we're polly middlehurst . patrick thank you. middlehurst. patrick thank you. >> will the top stories this hour at this hour, rather, are that the home secretary, suella braverman, has warned of a hurricane migration into hurricane of mass migration into the uk in future. speaking at the uk in future. speaking at the conservative party conference earlier on, ms braverman said she will stop criminal banks gangs , small criminal banks gangs, small boats and make sure legal migration is at reasonable levels . gb news presenter nigel levels. gb news presenter nigel farage. though criticised the speech, saying it offered no fixes to any problems and adding the government was out of touch with ordinary voters. well, the home secretary's speech was also interrupted halfway through by a heckler these exclusive heckler in these exclusive images obtained by gb news andrew boff, a london assembly member , was escorted from member, was escorted from the hall. criticised and the home hall. he criticised and the home secretary and accused her policies of homophobia in the

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the price of gold is £1,513.90 an ounce and the ftse100 is . at an ounce and the ftse 100 is. at 7475 points. >> direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. >> let's get more reaction now to suella braverman conference speech, which we brought to you a little earlier on in the show. and i'm joined by brendan clarke—smith, is the mp for clarke—smith, who is the mp for bassetlaw in nottinghamshire . bassetlaw in nottinghamshire. it's one of the red wall seats that the tories won in 2019. brendan thank you very, very much. well, we have just had a catastrophic, indictment of suella braverman speech there from nigel farage. where are you on i think nigel is a hard man >> i think nigel is a hard man to please, but we're all fed up at moment a lot of the at the moment with a lot of the small boats crisis issues and a few things. few other things. >> i think suella tried to address today. really. address that today. really. i thought gave speech. thought she gave a good speech. she's very committed to she's very, very committed to doing you know, they're doing this. you know, they're not words. something doing this. you know, they're not reallyords. something doing this. you know, they're not really believes. something doing this. you know, they're not really believes. passionate she really believes. passionate in. and she was talking about getting that legislation through as other things as well and a few other things as well and a few other things as i suppose, though , in terms

>> i suppose, though, in terms of just being words, of it not just being words, but having substance having a bit more substance behind out and saying behind it coming out and saying we're get the we're going to get out of the echr we're to back echr, we're going to take back control borders. no more control of our borders. no more foreign dead foreign judges in the dead of night a darkened room night in a darkened room somewhere telling us what we can and do. would have and can't do. that would have been wasn't that been good. and there wasn't that in there? in there, was there? >> well, that may come next. so we're waiting for the ruling that's we're waiting for the ruling thethe supreme with the supreme on the supreme with the supreme court rwanda policy . court over the rwanda policy. see if that goes ahead, then that's complete game changer. that's a complete game changer. now, doesn't, then there now, if that doesn't, then there may be something else that we need but she need to do there. but what she also speech and i'm also said in that speech and i'm glad did, she glad she really did, she mentioned rights act. mentioned the human rights act. so when tony brought that so when tony blair brought that in piece of in in 1998, huge piece of legislation and we've been subject to it ever since. so even though we've gone into government, of course, we had five years in coalition the five years in coalition with the liberal they're not liberal democrats. they're not going scrap that act. then going to scrap that act. we then had the referendum. we've had brexit, we lost our majority. we've then had covid and other things to deal with and we've never really managed to take this piece of legislation to task. so i think domestically

that may be something that comes in the future . in the future. >> okay. all look, she >> okay. all right. look, she also went about culture also went on about the culture wars and i do wonder whether this stuff gets enough attention, actually, because as as far as she's concerned, we have group who have a group of people who are the belief brigade. their the luxury belief brigade. their life not touched by a lot of life is not touched by a lot of theissues life is not touched by a lot of the issues that they tend to say that care about . so mass that they care about. so mass migration, gp migration, their gp appointments, because they all go or school places go private or school places because are at private because the kids are at private school. kind of school. we all know the kind of people braverman people suella braverman is talking also talking about there. she also mentioned about, you know, gender ideology, trans stuff, being ashamed of britain's being less ashamed of britain's history. and that crucially , our history. and that crucially, our institutions have been captured by people who have this ideology. do you recognise that? >> absolutely. and i've been in debates on that this week. i've been on panels about exactly the same we keep using same thing, and we keep using this culture war. now, i'd this term culture war. now, i'd say not a culture war at say it's not a culture war at all. know, women's all. you know, women's rights are a culture war. child are not a culture war. child safeguarding is not a culture war. are basic values. and war. these are basic values. and common that we common sense beliefs that we have in britain now. and they're

being challenged by extreme groups who are trying groups of people who are trying to force this critical race theory or gender ideology onto us. and really, it's about pushing back there. and i'm glad that identified that. and that she's identified that. and she's been brave to say, she's been brave enough to say, actually, police , actually, even in the police, even whitehall, this is this even in whitehall, this is this is still going on, really. and you'll have seen speeches from steve today as well. steve barclay today as well. we're talking about the language that's used in nhs . this is that's used in the nhs. this is something that is going all the way society think way through society and i think a proper conservative party would and i'm would push back on that. and i'm glad it. glad we're doing it. >> look, earlier on i >> yeah, look, earlier on i actually out and about and actually went out and about and was people at this was speaking to people at this conference they made conference about what they made of doctors strike and the of the doctors strike and the consultants strike and the radiology strike that have been taking today . they just taking place today. they just out here. so we'll play that to you a lot of people you shortly. but a lot of people were saying that they feel as though you though that's political. do you think strikes aren't think these strikes aren't political you pay political or should you just pay them think they are. >> well, i think they are. and i think the independent pay review body set up, they've body that's been set up, they've offered that's than offered 9. that's more than nurses got. more nurses have got. that's more than have got. that's than teachers have got. that's more else has got .

more than anybody else has got. and some people want 35, which i think just unreasonable . and think is just unreasonable. and we know doctors do a really great and they work very great job and they work very hard, but they've got to be hard, but they've also got to be fair. think of fair. and i think some of the things asking it's things they're asking for, it's not just i'm things they're asking for, it's notjust i'm married to notjust pay. i'm i'm married to a myself. she hasn't gone a doctor myself. she hasn't gone on strike. i'm very, very proud of hippocratic oath. of her. hippocratic oath. >> do you want more money, though? >> that well, you >> all of that and well, you know, i declare an interest. >> you should you >> should you pay? should you pay >> should you pay? should you pay your wife more ? pay your wife more? >> i'm she would be >> well, i'm sure she would be married to me. i think probably she's already won the lottery. >> you gone that >> oh, you gone down that route. you gone that you could have gone down that route. it, patrick. route. i can't say it, patrick. i'll away from your home i'll veer away from your home life. don't worry. and let's talk about okay? talk about hs2. okay? so you are, wall mp. are, of course, a red wall mp. i know that hs2 wasn't really going go directly to your know that hs2 wasn't really goingso go directly to your know that hs2 wasn't really goingso you directly to your know that hs2 wasn't really goingso you wouldn't: your know that hs2 wasn't really goingso you wouldn't have been area, so you wouldn't have been affected you affected by that. you could argue that area argue maybe that your area wouldn't the wouldn't have actually seen the direct benefits of hs2. but if what rumoured to happen, what is rumoured to happen, which potentially rishi sunak which is potentially rishi sunak stands up tomorrow and says something along the lines of we're going to use some of that money, gone to money, that would have gone to

manchester, etcetera, and try to link up the north with the east, with the and do on with the midlands and do it on a regional suppose regional level. i suppose that would benefit wouldn't it? would benefit you, wouldn't it? >> think looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it think looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it and think looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it and he think looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it and he said 1ink looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it and he said he's looked would benefit you, wouldn't it? >>it and he said he's concernedi at it and he said he's concerned about the cost and he speaks a lot making term lot about making these long term decisions , decisions and he thinks well, long term, isn't the long term, maybe this isn't the best . maybe we can best option. maybe we can deliver powerhouse rail deliver northern powerhouse rail in full without it. or maybe we can those local upgrades can look at those local upgrades . so, for example, where you've not electrified your track, i've got old trains going got rickety old trains going through my constituency where they actually want better local links now wouldn't had links. now we wouldn't have had the benefit from but the same benefit from hs2, but if reinvest that in our if we can reinvest that in our communities at a fraction of the price, think ben houchen said price, i think ben houchen said something about that as well. so there's that's actually there's a mayor that's actually on making on board with us making some changes then it could changes there. then it could actually us more. okay actually benefit us more. okay >> now nigel said very clearly, what's the big sell here? what's the big message for the conservatives? this is the last chance saloon before the next election in terms of a conference, what is the big sell ? >> we're actually portraying a conservative message again, and i think that's really important

. so last couple of weeks you'll see our polling . we've it see our polling. we've got it down to 10% ish in some of them. now we're actually moving in the right so net zero is right direction. so net zero is one of these things. i've been quite sceptical about but quite sceptical about it, but we've actually bit of we've actually had a bit of common bit of common sense, a bit of pragmatism brought the pragmatism. so we brought the petrol diesel cars in line petrol and diesel cars in line with europe . we've with the rest of europe. we've looked boilers and so on. looked at boilers and so on. we're listening on we're listening to people on other pushing back on all other issues pushing back on all the stuff, looking at the the woke stuff, looking at the immigration people immigration issues that people are and is are talking about. and this is what people want to hear. >> christopher hope, our >> well, christopher hope, our political up with political editor, caught up with rishi little bit earlier rishi sunak a little bit earlier on, he did actually him on, and he did actually ask him about of about the net zero side of things . and rishi sunak appeared things. and rishi sunak appeared to suggest that there might end up being a series of votes in parliament whereby you would vote specifically on what kind of carbon emissions targets that you want to hit and also then about potentially wider net zero packages as a whole . now that's packages as a whole. now that's not a referendum, obviously, but it's as close clearly as we're going to get to it. i think it could be an interesting political move because

presumably that would force the labour party to come out publicly and say , all right, publicly and say, all right, these are the carbon targets that we want. this is the year that we want. this is the year that we want your petrol or diesel car to be banned from them. and ultimately, if that if that does mean costing the poorest in society the most, i suppose it could put labour on the back foot . the back foot. >> exactly. and i think that's the test with labour at the moment. they've sat, sat on their hands really. they've said nothing. and whenever they put a policy out and whenever they actually scrutiny and actually have some scrutiny and as closer to general as you get closer to general election to get election, you're going to get that struggled . that they've really struggled. so immigration you so their immigration policy, you turned on that within a week. and again , net zero. put and again, net zero. okay, put your your mouth is. your money where your mouth is. vote vote against it. vote for it. vote against it. but what we have said is we're going stick to that 2050 going to stick to that 2050 target. we've actually had target. but we've actually had a bit common sense introduced bit of common sense introduced into probably into it. now we'll probably have more between now and more debates between now and 2050. new technology 2050. we'll have new technology , maybe we'll change some , maybe we'll maybe change some of the policies we're doing of the policies that we're doing as along that but as we go along on that path. but what actually done is what we've actually done is we've you know these

we've said, you know what, these are the concerns you've got. we've people living we've got people living in the countryside worried countryside who are worried about spending grand rip in about spending 15 grand rip in their boilers, out and so on. and said, you we're and we've said, you know, we're not that. we're not going to do that. we're actually everybody actually going to take everybody with people a little with us. so even people a little bit sceptical, like me, bit more sceptical, like me, have said, actually can accept have said, actually i can accept that is reasonable. that this is reasonable. >> look, we can't ignore the fact was a heckler fact that there was a heckler and that heckler happened to be and that heckler happened to be a member . he a london assembly member. he accused home secretary of accused the home secretary of talking trash about transgender issues and making us was what he said about the conservative party. look transphobic. he accused her of dog whistle politics. look, i'm going to have a look at some of the things she's saying here. the luxury belief brigade islamist extremism. she mentioned she spoke about grooming gangs. she spoke about grooming gangs. she spoke about, you know , we need spoke about, you know, we need to standing up for the to start standing up for the rights our own people and not to start standing up for the righrightsnur own people and not to start standing up for the righrights of own people and not to start standing up for the righrights of and people and not to start standing up for the righrights of and rapists�* and not to start standing up for the righrights of and rapists and not the rights of and rapists and all that. was it a big dog whistle? why >> well, these all things >> well, these are all things that patrick. and that happened, patrick. and these are things have been these are things that have been identified, really. and if you look this is one

look at that hall, this is one person there. now, i can do my arsene wenger impression. say i didn't see the incident or whatever . i saw her in whatever it was. i saw her in being taken out and i think obviously wanted to make a point there and there's opportunity there and there's an opportunity to enough to do that. we have enough panels can discuss panels where you can discuss it and it's to cause and sometimes it's to cause a bit a scene. but think if bit of a scene. but i think if you people, you know, you ask most people, you know, i'm going to the lgbt reception later , you know, we're a very, later, you know, we're a very, very inclusive party. we want to inject some common sense into this debate again. >> okay . all right, brendan, >> okay. all right, brendan, look, very it's look, thank you very much. it's great on the show. great to have you on the show. it's clarke—smith mp it's brendan clarke—smith mp there, conservative for bassetlaw. well, look, hey, you know the phrase life means life . well, the tories revealed . well, the tories have revealed that they want more murderers to be given whole life orders . but be given whole life orders. but i'm wondering, especially considering some of this might even come into force retrospectively on earth even come into force retrcisectively on earth even come into force retrcis goingly on earth even come into force retrcis going to on earth even come into force retrcis going to work on earth even come into force retrcis going to work .n earth even come into force retrcis going to work . and rth even come into force retrcis going to work . and to this is going to work. and to help me pick through that, i will be joined by everybody's favourite barrister . it is, favourite barrister. it is, of course, barrett patrick course, stephen barrett patrick christys on news, britain's

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news as . welcome back . news as. welcome back. >> it's 448 you're watching or listening to me patrick christys on gb news at five i will get reaction to suella bravermans big conference speech. nigel farage was very unhappy with it. he made the point that she didn't mention echr once and didn't mention the echr once and thatis didn't mention the echr once and that is the issue on many people's lips here at conference. he said it was weak. he was poor. however, a he said it was poor. however, a procession conservative mps procession of conservative mps have the exact opposite. so procession of conservative mps havwill the exact opposite. so procession of conservative mps havwill continue act opposite. so we will continue that discussion. this is another

discussion. but this is another big issue that went under—reports earlier on, justice secretary alex chalk has announced reforms to how whole life orders are applied now. it means that murderers who carry out sexually motivated attacks will automatically face a whole life sentence , even if they were life sentence, even if they were charged before the new law is introduced. justice secretary alex chalk says that for the most dangerous and depraved killers, life really should mean life . life. >> life now becomes the default . so it's what should happen unless , of course, the judge unless, of course, the judge decides there are exceptional circumstances. and we think that puts law in the right place, puts the law in the right place, that meets instincts of the that meets the instincts of the british people and, as i say, does justice and provides, you know, crumb comfort for know, a crumb of comfort for families after the most appalling crimes that they feel justice is truly being served . justice is truly being served. >> i'm joined now by barrister and writer stephen barrett. stephen thank you very much. i suspect that to a lot of people watching and listening to this, that will sound like good law. that like proper

that will sound like proper justice. what's your view? is it even possible ? even possible? >> well, that's the important question because i, i would worry that the ainnaves will very soon be full of political lawyers or lawyers who give political opinions , each saying political opinions, each saying whether they like this or not. >> and i'm not going to say whether like this or not, i'm whether i like this or not, i'm going to that it's lawful going to say that it's lawful and what what the tension is, is there's a very old tension here. >> so neither you nor i would want an incoming government next year to pass a law saying that anybody who's been on the telly has committed a criminal offence and is going to prison for life. >> we wouldn't want that, would we? both be we? you know, we'd both be hoisted by our own petard. we'd be in prison for life. and there is a fundamental tenant of our law. >> it's a tenant. >> it's a tenant. >> it's a tenant. >> it's the word i use principle is that you don't create a historic effect. >> now, when we re—created europe after the second world war, we decided to give them a list of these tenants. >> and over time they've morphed into law and they've morphed

into law and they've morphed into enforceable rules by the human rights act and by the human human courts. >> but we put this tenant that you shouldn't create a brand new offence people offence and punish people retrospectively by the way, the people wanted that because before that norman overlords before that the norman overlords had been so horrendous that they had been so horrendous that they had just inventing had just been inventing new things throwing you the things and throwing you in the oubliette whenever they felt like know, there was like it. so, you know, there was a a real need in sort a there was a real need in sort of english history to of english national history to have a principle. and of english national history to have we a principle. and of english national history to have we gave| principle. and of english national history to have we gave itwrinciple. and of english national history to have we gave itwrinthe 3. and of english national history to have we gave itwrinthe europeans then we gave it to the europeans . we gave it as article seven of the rights convention. but the human rights convention. but then because the creation of then because of the creation of a all come back to a court, it's all come back to us as law. now as law. and i want your listeners to understand that there's a difference between a tenant or a general principle and a law . a general principle and a law. a general principle and a law. a general principle and a law. a general principle is something that you enforce 99% of the time. a law is something you have to follow 100% of the time. >> now , that might sound that's. >> now, that might sound that's. >> now, that might sound that's. >> stephen that's that's an important thing. let me just cut across that's an across here because that's an important okay so what, important moment. okay so what, alex the justice

alex chalk the justice secretary, was saying there, my understanding was that if understanding was, was that if somebody murders somebody in a sexually motivated attack , they sexually motivated attack, they would have to face a whole life tariff . is that right? well no, tariff. is that right? well no, he he he did explain that the judge will have some discretion and so what they're not doing is inventing a new crime of murder i >> but there is a bit of a tension in the human rights bit because when we translate it into all of these languages, we use the word penalty and that caused a massive court case that came about. it was actually this year that they fixed it where the judges did manage to work out actually this sort of out that actually this sort of stuff is perfectly legal. you're out that actually this sort of stufcreatingectly legal. you're out that actually this sort of stufcreatingecinewgal. you're out that actually this sort of stuf creating 5ci new offence 're out that actually this sort of stuf creating 5ci new offence , 'e not creating a new offence, you're just changing the punishment . you're just changing the punishment. and that's that too, is quite important because if you go into sort this this you go into sort of this this brittle, this absolute position of you can never have retrospective law , well for retrospective law, well for a start, that's difficult for taxation because in taxation because we do it in taxation because we do it in taxation quite often. taxation law quite often. secondly, and feelings change. >> so with historic sex offences in particular, you know, in the

past we didn't take them very seriously. do you really want people punished to lesser standards? >> you know, and the and the other one, by the way, that's always good on historic sex offences is that we've invented this thing called the sex offenders register. >> we don't want we wouldn't >> now we don't want we wouldn't want to be in position where want to be in a position where anybody a crime anybody who committed a crime before that register was invented to go on it invented didn't have to go on it because we want them on the register now so that we can keep an them. so you don't an eye on them. so you don't have general that have this general principle that retrospective laws are banned . retrospective laws are banned. >> you have a sort of we've we've got it back through, through the cleverness of judges. >> we've got it to being >> we've got it back to being a sort of understandable or sort of an understandable or more situation . more tolerable situation. >> but but the problem and the expense of the court and expense of the court case and the period of confusion, that's because rather than just admitting, we've always had a general tenant of our law that you can't create a brand new offence. >> we reinvented the wheel with the human rights act and we reinvented, you know, just ability by submitting ourselves to strasbourg this time. >> luckily, strasbourg got it

right . i >> luckily, strasbourg got it right. i mean, it's >> luckily, strasbourg got it right . i mean, it's always a bit right. i mean, it's always a bit like playing a of gun like playing with a load of gun whenever you with strasbourg. >> but what they're >> but but what they're proposing will be all right, stephen, thank you very much. >> always great to have your legal wisdom . stephen barrett legal wisdom. stephen barrett there, course, the barrister there, of course, the barrister and what the and writer reacting to what the justice secretary said right here gb little bit here on gb news a little bit earlier on about increasing whole life tariffs some of whole life tariffs for some of the depraved, violent whole life tariffs for some of the sexualepraved, violent whole life tariffs for some of the sexual criminals violent whole life tariffs for some of the sexual criminals in violent whole life tariffs for some of the sexual criminals in thislent and sexual criminals in this country . absolutely loads coming country. absolutely loads coming your way in the next hour, we're going to be hearing from the prime minister who's been talking about whether or not nigel farage could actually re—enter the conservative party . we're also going to be hearing from had to say about from what he's had to say about immigration. and we're going to be big be hearing about the big exclusive that christopher hope, our political editor, got from him, not we're our political editor, got from him, to not we're our political editor, got from him, to now not we're our political editor, got from him, to now see not we're our political editor, got from him, to now see parliamentary going to now see parliamentary discourse on net zero. and nigel farage has launched a scathing attack on suella braverman speech today at conservative party conference. he told me that it was the biggest failure of this conference so far and that she didn't offer one single promise to fix anything. i will

also be talking about whether trans men should ever be allowed into women's prisons . patrick into women's prisons. patrick christys gb news business news channel. >> hello again . welcome to your >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news. whether bulletin. i'm alex burkill and we have a bit of a north south split as we go through the next few days. the winds wetter and windier towards the north. meanwhile the we're meanwhile in the south we're going to see high pressure building and that's going to quieten weather quieten the weather down somewhat across northern areas, tightly packed isobars show. it's to blustery. and it's going to be blustery. and there system there is a weather system waiting the atlantic. but waiting out in the atlantic. but through tuesday, through the rest of tuesday, showers continuing , particularly showers continuing, particularly towards and some towards the north and west. some clearer towards eastern clearer skies towards eastern and southern parts. but and more southern parts. but that system i just that weather system i just mentioned pushing its way across parts scotland fringing parts of scotland and fringing into northern ireland, bringing some through some heavy rain as we go through the for many the night. temperatures for many not huge amount. but not dropping a huge amount. but in with clear in the east with some clear skies, spots could skies, some rural spots could dip into single figures . then dip into single figures. then through wednesday, we have a north south split, a pretty cloudy , wet and blustery picture cloudy, wet and blustery picture across many northern parts, particularly where the particularly scotland, where the rain heavy at times. rain will be heavy at times. meanwhile all across england and

wales, a drier picture. wales, it's a drier picture. there will be some sunshine around. also showers . but around. also a few showers. but i'm not expecting these to be as frequent the frequent or as intense as the showers we've through showers we've seen through today. will today. temperatures will be similar , though, get similar to today, though, get just into very just about getting into the very high. may scrape high. teens may scrape a 20 celsius, winds will be celsius, but the winds will be a little bit lighter. so may feel a some of us. a touch warmer for some of us. then through thursday, we are going some further wet going to see some further wet weather way from going to see some further wet weawest. way from going to see some further wet weawest. and way from going to see some further wet weawest. and we're way from going to see some further wet weawest. and we're likely from going to see some further wet weawest. and we're likely to om the west. and we're likely to see further rainfall totals really building up go really building up as we go through later thursday into friday, across friday, particularly across western parts scotland . but western parts of scotland. but as we into the weekend, we're as we go into the weekend, we're likely see something drier likely to see something drier and pushing the

south hello , it's patrick christys hello, it's patrick christys here at the conservative party conference in manchester. >> an action packed hour coming conference in manchester. >> away. :ion packed hour coming conference in manchester. >> away. we're|cked hour coming conference in manchester. >> away. we're goinglour coming conference in manchester. >> away. we're going to r coming your way. we're going to be heanng your way. we're going to be hearing nigel farage, hearing from nigel farage, who's teed that suella teed off. he said that suella braverman making braverman attempt at making a speech boats speech about the small boats crossings controlling crossings and controlling our borders worst crossings and controlling our border:that worst crossings and controlling our border:that he's worst crossings and controlling our border:that he's ever worst crossings and controlling our border:that he's ever seen. 'st things that he's ever seen. we're be talking we're also going to be talking about things that badenoch we're also going to be talking ab01to things that badenoch we're also going to be talking ab01to sayjs that badenoch we're also going to be talking ab01to say about. badenoch we're also going to be talking ab01to say about keepingadenoch we're also going to be talking ab01to say about keeping prisons had to say about keeping prisons single trans men are single sex. so no trans men are going be allowed in female going to be allowed in female prisons. we've also got our political editor, christopher hope, got us a bit of an hope, who got us a bit of an excuse exclusive because because he managed to chase after a protester who was booted of protester who was booted out of suella braverman speech, who happened to actually be a member of conservative party and of the conservative party and a conservative member, conservative assembly member, and the prime minister, rishi

sunak, has also given us a little bit of an exclusive. he. he's been talking to us about whether or not we're now going to votes in parliament on to see votes in parliament on net zero. it's not quite a referendum, but they're getting there. there's loads on the there. there's loads more on the agenda as well. patrick christys here on gb news as. agenda as well. patrick christys here on gb news as . oh, yes here on gb news as. oh, yes, loads on this hour, i'll also be joined by a whole host of conservative mps and a few dissenting voices along the way as well. we're the meat as well. we're right in the meat and bones here now of the conservative party conference and hear from them in and what you hear from them in the hour could well the next hour could well determine how vote the determine how you vote at the next general so keep next general election. so keep your eyes peeled. but right now, it's time for your headlines with . patrick. with polly. patrick. >> thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story today from the gp newsroom is that the home secretary suella braverman, has of a future hurricane has warned of a future hurricane of mass migration into the uk in

her speech to the tory party conference in manchester, ms braverman says that as well as stopping illegal migrants from coming to the uk , she's going to coming to the uk, she's going to make sure that legal migration is held at reason levels. gb news presenter nigel farage criticised the speech , saying criticised the speech, saying the government is out of touch with ordinary voters. ms braverman says the conservative party will do whatever it takes, though , to stop illegal though, to stop illegal migration. migration act, which will come into force in the coming months. >> now means that the only route to asylum in the uk is a legal route. the act means that those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country if possible , their home country if possible, or to a safe third country like rwanda . but all of this is rwanda. but all of this is ultimately a question of political will and be under no illusion we will do whatever it takes to stop the boats and deter bogus asylum seekers .

deter bogus asylum seekers. >> well, the home secretary speech was briefly interrupted halfway through by a heckler in these exclusive images obtained by gb news andrew boff, a london assembly member, was escorted from the hall. he had criticised the home secretary and accused her policies of homophobia and now the prime minister has told gb news he's the person to deliver change to britain . rishi deliver change to britain. rishi sunak has also defended his record on illegal immigration, saying for the first time ever , saying for the first time ever, the number of small boats crossing the english channel from france is down by a fifth. he also reiterated his plan to halve inflation and accused the labour leader of being light on policy . policy. >> you've got keir starmer, who no one knows what he stands for. flip flops left and right. the country can see through that. that's not leadership. what i'm offering is different. i know people want change. i'm the person to deliver it because we're going to do politics differently. saw that on net differently. you saw that on net zero. that week.

zero. you'll see that this week. that's you from that's what you get from a conservative government, foreign presence could be used to help combat the crisis of britain's overflowing jails. >> the government's considering renting prison cells overseas . renting prison cells overseas. seis to tackle prison overcrowding here. speaking at the tory party conference, the justice secretary, alex chalk, proposed the move with spare male prisoner capacity . down to male prisoner capacity. down to 258 places. at the moment . 258 places. at the moment. >> and i can tell you today conference that we also intend to look at the nonnegian example and explore for renting overseas capacity . now the prime minister capacity. now the prime minister will confirm in his conservative party speech tomorrow exactly what his position is on the future of the northern section of the hs2 rail project. >> businesses are said to be demanding immediate clarity following reports. rishi sunak may be planning to scrap the line from birmingham to manchester. it's understood the prime minister will announce spending on other infrastructure projects for the north in his forthcoming speech . male to

forthcoming speech. male to female trans people could be prevented from using female only hospital wards under new government plans, trans patients would be treated in separate accommodation , which the accommodation, which the campaign group stonewall says will be humiliating and dangerous. the health secretary steve barclay, outlined the proposal at the conservative party conference earlier . party conference earlier. >> we will change the nhs constitution following a consultation later this year to make sure we respect the privacy and dignity and safety of all patients. recognise the importance of different biological needs and protect the rights of women well away from conference, junior doctors have threatened further industrial action in november and december unless they receive a credible pay unless they receive a credible pay offer. >> they have been demonstrating outside the conference in manchester alongside consultants on day two of a three day strike, radiographers have also walked out for 24 hours. the bma

is demanding a return to the negotiating table, but the government says after accepting the findings of an independent don't pay body, this year's 6% pay don't pay body, this year's 6% pay rise is final and murderers who carry out sexually motivated attacks will automatically face attacks will automatically face a whole life sentence under new powers planned by the government. the legal expectation on judges will apply retrospectively to those who've already been charged with the crime, but are yet to be sentenced . the justice sentenced. the justice secretary, alex chalk, says for the most and dangerous, depraved killers, life really should mean life . you're with gb news across life. you're with gb news across the uk , on tv, in your car, on the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> well, a heck of a lot to get through. in the next hour, we start with the home secretary who has warned that a hurricane of migration is coming to

of mass migration is coming to the she vowed to do whatever the uk. she vowed to do whatever it takes to stop the boats and said that many immigrants lived parallel lives in uk towns and cities . cities. >> who do people trust it to deliver the change that britain needs ? because there are huge , needs? because there are huge, huge challenges ahead . the world huge challenges ahead. the world is being transformed by powerful forces is and i think that the british people see that perhaps more clearly than some of those in westminster who live in the bubble of complacency . i also bubble of complacency. i also think most british people have a pretty good sense of how they expect their government to respond to those challenges . and respond to those challenges. and i'm confident that when push comes to shove , the voters will comes to shove, the voters will realise is that they are much more likely to get the change they really want from rishi sunak and the conservatives than from any of the left wing

parties . parties. >> well, what she's doing there is doubling down on what she said in washington last week, where she said that there were around 780 million people who conceivably , under the current conceivably, under the current way that we class refugees make their way the western world their way to the western world and live there as a refugee. that's what i think she was getting on when she was talking about a hurricane and she also, of was talking there of course, was talking there about fact she really about the fact that she really wants clamp down on the small wants to clamp down on the small boats. what she really wants to do clamp well on what do is clamp down as well on what she as people living those she sees as people living those parallel lives in uk towns and cities. didn't she say well cities. didn't she say as well that ism has that multicultural ism has failed, doubling down yet again on that key issue , which she did on that key issue, which she did take a lot of stick for, but one person who wasn't happy was a man called andrew boff, who is a conservative member of the london assembly, who interrupted the home secretary's speech in protest over her comments over gender identification . he was gender identification. he was thrown out of the conference hall and aftennards he spoke

exclusively to our breathless political editor, christopher ! political editor, christopher! >> how's he up here, sir? >> how's he up here, sir? >> my name is andrew boff. >> my name is andrew boff. >> i'm a member of the london assembly and a loyal and a loyal tory for 50 years. why are you up to this crash? >> why . gb news? >> why. gb news? >> why. gb news? >> why. gb news? >> why are you saying that trash about gender ideology is making our conservative party look transphobic homophobic? transphobic and homophobic? nick, the nick, this is not what the conservative party about. conservative party is about. >> proud of >> we have a proud record of standing up in our way. >> okay , thank you. >> okay, thank you. >> okay, thank you. >> but you're a conservative. of course i'm a conservative. are you around the party now? >> of course i am. >> of course i am. >> so why are you shouting about the cloakroom ? the cloakroom? >> the cloakroom? >> the cloakroom? >> we'll get, you know, get you going be leaving the site, going to be leaving the site, please, name, sir, is andrew boss. andrew boff , and i'm a member >> andrew boff, and i'm a member of london member of the london assembly, a member of the london assembly, a member of for 50 years and of the party for 50 years and a proud member. going to proud member. i'm not going to shout home secretary shout at your home secretary because she was talking absolutely outrageous about gender ideology, about wokeness

and all the rest of it. our party has a proud record of standing up for lgbt rights, and she's destroying it. it's time she's destroying it. it's time she sorted out her own department rather than giving this trash away . this trash away. >> if you are leaving the site, you'll have to come here. >> why are you saying that, though? sorry? why isn't it? why are you saying can i have my thing out of the party? >> sorted, sir, you're here for me. >> andrew, why are you saying. >> andrew, why are you saying. >> why are you saying like that about of braverman? >> well, because she's scapegoating people , gay scapegoating trans people, gay people, doesn't fit people, anybody who doesn't fit her model. she's dogwhistling . her model. she's dogwhistling. and she's also presiding over a department that's failing dismally in terms of processing asylum seekers. >> yeah, more on that shortly. okay. with the man himself who managed to get us exclusive chasing him out, political editor christopher hope. but another happy another man who wasn't happy with braverman speech was with suella braverman speech was nigel farage, who will be live until 8 pm. from this very seat. fact, he was absolutely seat. in fact, he was absolutely scathing the home scathing about the home secretary's performance

rhetoric. >> there's a hurricane of immigration coming from north africa and elsewhere. we must be prepared. we will do whatever it takes to stop the small boats and then when it comes to solutions , do you know what she solutions, do you know what she offered? nothing >> echr nothing . >> echr nothing. >> echr nothing. >> she didn't even mention the echr we'd all expect id this to be the big policy announcement on what is one of the top 2 or 3 policies in the country. you know, we've got to stop the small boats. the public wants it. 70% want the small boats stopped. i think the crossings are wrong . she's offered no are wrong. she's offered no solutions. is the most solutions. it is the most disappointing speech from a so—called hardline , you know, so—called hardline, you know, home office minister we could ever have expected . ever have expected. >> doesn't this just about completely sum up where the conservative party, arguably the country is at at the moment? you've got one chap standing up saying , this is absolutely saying, this is absolutely outrageous. you're transphobe outrageous. you're a transphobe . this is dog whistle politics. we can't have this. and we can't possibly have this. and he from the

he gets evicted from the conference. you've got conference. then you've got another here, another chap standing up here, nigel who's frankly another chap standing up here, nigeof who's frankly another chap standing up here, nigeof the who's frankly another chap standing up here, nigeof the biggests frankly another chap standing up here, nigeof the biggest draws frankly another chap standing up here, nigeof the biggest draws that(ly one of the biggest draws that we've political we've seen at the political conference saying there's conference so far saying there's no way she's gone far no way that she's gone far enough. here. enough. there's no action here. this empty words here to this is just empty words here to pick through this noise is gb news political editor christopher hope, who you may have actually was in his have noticed actually was in his in his in his efforts to try to get us an exclusive inadvertently turfed out of conference as well. you lost your pass . you're with your pass. you're back with us now. look was that as much of a mess as it's been made out? now. look was that as much of a mess agots been made out? now. look was that as much of a mess agot nigel] made out? now. look was that as much of a mess agot nigel farage out? now. look was that as much of a mess agot nigel farage on:? you've got nigel farage on the right , quite literally right, quite literally criticising it. you've got andrew the left , also andrew boff on the left, also criticising i mean , who's right? >> well, i thought the language was suella braverman . i mean, was suella braverman. i mean, they loved it in hall. let's was suella braverman. i mean, they with! it in hall. let's was suella braverman. i mean, they with! it in so hall. let's was suella braverman. i mean, they with! it in so did.l. let's was suella braverman. i mean, they with! it in so did theyt's start with okay, so did they then. members loved then. yeah. the members loved it. okay. he she said human it. okay. he she said that human rights rights rights act was a criminal rights act. know language he's act. you know the language he's talking language, talking there. his language, which maybe which i think maybe mr farage worry approve it. worry here might approve of it. the hurricane of immigration, i think, be problem for think, will be a problem for those the left of the party. those on the left of the party. is this like the line invasion again? invasion again? yeah, the word invasion swarm. kind of language swarm. this kind of language is

can the right to try swarm. this kind of language is can energise the right to try swarm. this kind of language is can energise voters right to try swarm. this kind of language is can energise voters . ght to try swarm. this kind of language is can energise voters . butto try swarm. this kind of language is can energise voters . but it try swarm. this kind of language is can energise voters . but it also and energise voters. but it also can be used to be using to be slightly inflammatory in terms of race relations as much as with with migrants. and that's the concern about it. and the left will be uneasy about that form of language. but no question, suella braverman, you know, she's one to watch. we are celebrating priti patel here moments ago , didn't we? she's moments ago, didn't we? she's obviously she and suella are fighting out for the right wing of the party. if there's a leader election next yeah. leader election next year. yeah. >> shortly i'm hoping >> look, very shortly i'm hoping to be joined by the former justice secretary, sir robert buckland, who also happens to be the conservative mp for south swindon . that will happening swindon. that will be happening very, and she also very, very shortly. and she also went on, didn't she, to talk about a vote for labour is a vote for open borders is okay. she says that labour had deliberately tried to rig the illegal migrant set up and that the conservatives were the only party who could possibly control borders. is there any truth? i mean, we're going to be at the

labour conference next week. i mean, are they going to have to now come up with something that mean, are they going to have to no least1e up with something that mean, are they going to have to no least shows vith something that mean, are they going to have to no least shows thatiomething that mean, are they going to have to no least shows that iometwantthat mean, are they going to have to no least shows that iometwant to it at least shows that they want to stop migration? at least shows that they want to st0|that's migration? at least shows that they want to st0|that's notjration? at least shows that they want to st0|that's not entirely true, is >> that's not entirely true, is it? a conference it? we're at a party conference here you make points to here where you make points to make they're here where you make points to maithey're they're here where you make points to maithey're on they're here where you make points to maithey're on the they're here where you make points to maithey're on the openre here where you make points to maitheparty on the openre here where you make points to maitheparty labour. |e openre here where you make points to maitheparty labour. what nre border party labour. what they're is the extra border party labour. what thethe is the extra border party labour. what thethe rwanda is the extra border party labour. what thethe rwanda plan, he extra border party labour. what thethe rwanda plan, he extris bit the rwanda plan, which is meant business meant to break the business model send model of these people who send migrants across from from from france . but what they're doing france. but what they're doing is they're to strengthen is they're trying to strengthen the idea of more support for the french police, for the enforcement agencies , which the enforcement agencies, which the uk government are trying to do with the but they're with the tories. but they're going think going a bit further. they think labour would. >> yes. the angle on >> yes. so the labour angle on this international this is international cooperation . let's do as much as cooperation. let's do as much as we possibly can with the french, let's do as as possible can let's do as much as possible can with union, do as with the european union, do as much come with much as possible, come with europol, etcetera. >> better, don't >> they get on better, don't they? idea is they >> they get on better, don't theywork idea is they >> they get on better, don't theywork better, idea is they >> they get on better, don't theywork better, more s they >> they get on better, don't theywork better, more closely can work better, more closely with that might lead to, with the eu. that might lead to, you know, us, us, uk working you know, us, us, the uk working more with the eu, which you know, us, us, the uk working more a with the eu, which you know, us, us, the uk working more a problem the eu, which you know, us, us, the uk working more a problem for eu, which you know, us, us, the uk working more a problem for somehich you know, us, us, the uk working more a problem for some some may be a problem for some some people about brexit. >> there would >> i mean the irony there would be vote labour to be if what we vote labour to protect borders, i suppose protect our borders, i suppose that would be that would be, i

suppose spin we're suppose the spin that we're going week, can going to hear next week, i can bnng bring in benjamin buttennorth now, who is a news now, who is a gb news contributor here at benjamin. the first thing i've got to ask you. okay is we did have an individual , you. okay is we did have an individual, a protester you. okay is we did have an individual , a protester there, individual, a protester there, a conservative member who was thrown out the initial issue that he was thrown out for was he basically he basically accused the home secretary of being transphobic. are of being transphobic. you are of course, member the lgbtq+ course, a member of the lgbtq+ community. do you think she's transphobic ? transphobic? >> yes , absolutely. and i think >> yes, absolutely. and i think what you saw today was suella scapegoating a group to try and excuse her obvious failings. >> you know, it's not transgender people who have been coming over the border in boats or transgender people that are coming over in numbers as immigrants, far greater than she says. >> but she obsesses over this tiny group of people all who have so little power in society and in institutions is because she thinks she can get people. >> she was saying, i do just want to clarify one thing. she

wasn't talking about transgender people coming over in boats. she was talking about them in pnsons was talking about them in prisons as well, wasn't she? so whether or not me as a man could commit a violent sexual act and then go to a women's prison, that's what she wants to stop. right? exactly >> i mean, that's my point, right? she should be talking about coming over about people coming over in boats, people. about people coming over in boatwhen people. about people coming over in boatwhen talks people. about people coming over in boatwhen talks aboutyple. about people coming over in boatwhen talks about ,wle. about people coming over in boatwhen talks about, for and when she talks about, for example, single sex prison spaces or endorses the health secretary saying that trans women will be banned from single sex hospital beds , i think the sex hospital beds, i think the real question here is what does she mean by transgender? because legally there are people who have had their gender, their sex rather changed on their birth certificate . now, will she be certificate. now, will she be intending to undo that? and the equalities legislation in order to introduce this ? i think what to introduce this? i think what she's suggesting in terms of both prisons and the endorsement of the hospital decision is actually going to be very difficult to implement. and i think much like how she has implied, it's interesting .

implied, it's interesting. >> no, but benjamin, that's that's interesting that benjamin that's interesting, that's really interesting, right. say right. because because you say it's going really it's going to be really difficult implement. it may difficult to implement. it may well difficult to implement well be difficult to implement because up being well be difficult to implement because by up being well be difficult to implement because by the up being well be difficult to implement because by the echr, up being well be difficult to implement because by the echr, up bei|is blocked by the echr, which is something that she didn't mention. nigel farage mention. i mean, nigel farage kicked that and kicked right off about that and i've tell you, walking i've got to tell you, walking around people i've got to tell you, walking arourout people i've got to tell you, walking arourout , people i've got to tell you, walking arourout , okay? people i've got to tell you, walking arourout , okay? there'szople i've got to tell you, walking arourout , okay? there's note want out, okay? there's not everyone who wants out, but the vast majority do want out. she didn't mention you didn't even mention it. you could not even could argue she's not even played to base. there played to her base. there >> mean, the truth is that the >> i mean, the truth is that the time it would take to leave the echr it would not only divide the parliamentary conservative party and they may well not have the numbers to get it through parliament. the parliament. that's the first reality. the second is that we're now increasingly looking at the chance of an election in may. a lot of the chatter is that they're trying to nosedive into earlier election into a slightly earlier election than and trying to whip than imagined and trying to whip up the frenzy around these issues. now there ain't a chance they could do that by may. and i think the truth is rishi sunak is the echr . and is against leaving the echr. and i think this plays into this idea that the tory party is

bereft of ideas and tearing itself apart. that's what you see when you have people like andrew boff, the assembly andrew boff, the london assembly member who christopher hope managed the interview managed to get the interview with criticising after 50 years in party. i think it's out in the party. i think it's out ofideas. of ideas. >> okay. all right. look thank you very much, benjamin benjamin buttennorth there. just stay on the line for me a second in case i come back to you. gb news contributor hope is contributor christopher hope is still on stand still with me here on our stand here conservative party here at conservative party conference now, conference in manchester. now, earlier you interviewed earlier on, you interviewed rishi sunak, didn't you? and there killer lines there were some killer lines that came out of that. could you run it? because run us through it? because there's important there's some important updates here. right. here. i think that's right. >> took across a lot >> we took we went across a lot . >> we took we went across a lot , of areas in five , a lot of areas in our five minutes prime minister minutes with the prime minister he about the idea he talked there about the idea of i've been troubled of net zero. i've been troubled for while. there's never been for a while. there's never been a mps on net a single vote by mps on net zero. course, it was passed zero. of course, it was passed without parliament without a vote in parliament that hit this net that we're going to hit this net zero target back in june 19th, 2019, there will be 2019, he says there will be a vote on plans to roll back vote on his plans to roll back on some of the targets. they'll put bind. labour put labour into a bind. labour must this 20, 30 must either vote for this 20, 30 target or 2035 target for

banning sales of new car, banning the sales of new car, new petrol diesel cars . so new petrol and diesel cars. so it's for the labor party it's a trap for the labor party coming up and that shows an increasing . increasing. >> that force the >> so that would force the labour into a position labour party into a position where of conceivably where at the time of conceivably were time of next were at the time of the next election , they they election, they must say they they could be battered with the stick of you wanted to make the worst off in society poorer by making them get heat pumps and electric cars. exactly >> that's right. that's why >> that's right. and that's why it's they're it's a bit clever what they're doing. shows degree doing. it shows a degree of being political, you being political, which you haven't from haven't seen before from the operation. said. i asked the operation. he said. i asked the 3—3 cabinet ministers at the weekend said that leaving the echr, the european convention of human table . echr, the european convention of human table. he human rights is on the table. he avoided and went avoided that question and went on small boat, saying on about the small boat, saying that we cut the number by 20. >> is a subtle >> now this is this is a subtle shift because we have the shift because we have seen the line leaving echr line about leaving the echr being very much on the table . being very much on the table. >> that was used by three ministers at the weekend. >> and then today not use it by at all, by her not used at all by suella braverman rishi by suella braverman or rishi sunak. >> person used that >> and was one person used that was mail >> and was one person used that wa sunday. mail >> and was one person used that wa sunday. michael mail >> and was one person used that wa sunday. michael gove mail >> and was one person used that wa sunday. michael gove usediail >> and was one person used that wa sunday. michael gove used itl on sunday. michael gove used it

and another kemi badenoch used it too . and i thought that's it too. and i thought that's obviously a line approved by the by the government. it wasn't used. it's interesting, he talked about inflation being the evil, there , evil, a big word there, inflation. so that shows how they're taking on inflation rather tax cuts. and rather than tax cuts. and the issue nigel farage, our old issue of nigel farage, our old friend here, the colleague here. >> gb news asked , >> oh, yes, gb news i asked, should he allowed to rejoin should he be allowed to rejoin the tory party many, many the tory party left many, many years over brexit. years ago over brexit. >> he said the tory party is a very broad church, right? not broad church. itv drama broad church. the itv drama series where someone gets murdered , but well, not known yet. >> tell you the mood nigel was in earlier? you never know. >> but broadchurch being we take anybody. even nigel farage, even nigel anybody. even nigel farage, even nigwell, door's open for him >> well, the door's open for him anyway. thank very anyway. look, thank you very much what worth. slam much. for what it's worth. slam that shut himself his that door shut himself of his own will it own volition. some will call it the tail wagging the dog. they're that they're actually saying that after just from after what he just heard from inside room, inside that conference room, there rejoin the there was no way he'd rejoin the conservative christopher, conservative party. christopher, thank you. i'll go back to you shortly. thank you thank you. i'll go back to you shon much thank you thank you. i'll go back to you shon much as thank you thank you. i'll go back to you shon much as well. thank you thank you. i'll go back to you shonmuch as well. benjamin you very much as well. benjamin buttennorth, gb news, contributor, shortly, the buttennorth, gb news, con'forutor, shortly, the buttennorth, gb news,

con'for south shortly, the buttennorth, gb news, con'for south swindon.y, the buttennorth, gb news, con'for south swindon and e buttennorth, gb news, con'for south swindon and the mp for south swindon and the former justice secretary, sir robert will be sitting robert buckland will be sitting exactly where christopher hope robert buckland will be sitting exacsitting, re christopher hope robert buckland will be sitting exacsitting, having topher hope robert buckland will be sitting exac sitting, having to chat hope robert buckland will be sitting exac sitting, having to chat with! was sitting, having a chat with me well , me about what was well, potentially a bit of a damp squib from suella. what did you make of it? you think was make of it? did you think it was good gb ag good or bad? gb views ag news.com. get those views coming in. but culture war issues have played out heavily during this conference as well. kemi badenoch, minister badenoch, the minister for women and has been talking and equalities has been talking up conservatives position on up the conservatives position on single sex prisons and stopping convicted rape lists from entering women's jails in scotland. i will be joined by people who want to keep prisons single sex patrick christys on gb news

>> britain's news channel . dodi. >> britain's news channel. dodi. >> britain's news channel. dodi. >> shut up. welcome back, all action here at conservative party conference. 5:25. you're watching or listening to me. patrick christys on gb news. now, i'm very pleased to be joined by the conservative mp for south swindon the former for south swindon and the former justice sack is sir robert buckland. that's first and foremost. so sir robert, i will start with you on this, of course. so we've just heard from suella braverman . okay. now, suella braverman. okay. now, suella braverman. okay. now, suella braverman. okay. now, suella braverman spoke a lot about a hurricane of mass migration . now, you disagree migration. now, you disagree with that, do you? >> well, look, i think we've got to be very careful with the language. i don't disagree with looking , at the problem looking frankly, at the problem of mass migration . we've got all of mass migration. we've got all these people sub—saharan these people in sub—saharan africa clearly, you know, life there is not sustainable. it's becoming increasingly unsustainable people unsustainable. and people are

coming reasons to coming for economic reasons to europe. not? it's europe. why not? it's an attractive place to come. of course it i think rather course it is. but i think rather than language about than using language about extreme conditions, we extreme weather conditions, we should be looking at the why and deaung should be looking at the why and dealing why is that dealing with why it is that people therefore people are coming and therefore working as hard as we can to deal the problem of source. deal with the problem of source. >> you that maybe >> i put it to you that maybe you're this luxury you're part of this luxury belief brigade that was belief brigade that she was talkingtheir local hotel and about their local hotel and whether or not that's going to be turned to centre. be turned to asylum centre. they're you're talking they're taxpayer. you're talking about international issues, they're taxpayer. you're talking about irno,|ational issues, they're taxpayer. you're talking about irno, people issues, they're taxpayer. you're talking about irno, people wants, they're taxpayer. you're talking about irno, people want to know robert. no, people want to know what's on because because what's going on because because they're because people what's going on because because they'r(stupid. because people aren't stupid. >> their >> don't insult their intelligence that intelligence by saying that somehow just arrive at a somehow people just arrive at a hotel and it's not related to what's happening globally. of course think that course it is. and i think that what rise to what we need to do is rise to the level of events, talk about what we need to do is rise to the reasons events, talk about what we need to do is rise to the reasons forents, talk about what we need to do is rise to the reasons for this talk about what we need to do is rise to the reasons for this and about what we need to do is rise to the reasons for this and dealit the reasons for this and deal with them internationally at source. that's what responsible politicians should do. that's what to do when i was in what i try to do when i was in government, and it's certainly not a luxury. you know, i'm a very bitten former criminal very hard bitten former criminal barrister all sorts barrister dealing with all sorts of sorts of of people from all sorts of walks life. and i have hotels walks of life. and i have hotels in live this

in my constituency. i live this . i know the reality. >> labour open borders . >> labour want open borders. >> labour want open borders. >> look, i don't rely on the >> oh look, i don't rely on the labour for anything. labour party for anything. i mean, every fairy mean, they talk every fairy stuff they they stuff about what they think they can about immigration. the can do about immigration. the truth their policies can do about immigration. the trutiup their policies can do about immigration. the trutiup and their policies can do about immigration. the trutiup and i their policies can do about immigration. the trutiup and i don'teir policies can do about immigration. the trutiup and i don't thinkicies can do about immigration. the trutiup and i don't think they add up and i don't think they can be trusted to be as firm and clear about the problem and the challenge of mass migration as the conservatives . the conservatives. >> i mean, to be fair, you are obviously relying quite on obviously relying quite a lot on them getting their act them not getting their act together based together over immigration based on braverman i'd on what sort braverman i'd say now move from now i'm going to move on from this now because i think it's worthwhile having the worthwhile really having the justice justice secretary worthwhile really having the justice well justice secretary worthwhile really having the justice well as stice secretary worthwhile really having the justice well as kate secretary worthwhile really having the justice well as kate coleman, here, as well as kate coleman, who you know, keeping who is, you know, keeping pnsons who is, you know, keeping prisons single sex. that's the group that you're from. and this was another of suella was another big aspect of suella braverman speech. she talks about gender, ideology , which i about gender, ideology, which i thought was really good, but also by the minister women also by the minister for women and equality. also by the minister for women and equality . she's kemi and equality. she's kemi badenoch praising the conservatives record on single sex prisons. i think we can have a listen to kemi now. was this conservative government that stopped shameful snp and labour politicians in scotland pursuing

a self—id policy that let convicted rapists pretend that they were actually women so they could be housed in a women's pnson could be housed in a women's prison with potential new victims . victims. >> is kate, great to chat to you. >> thank you very much for coming on on the show. that must be music to your ears then. so we've kemi badenoch there we've got kemi badenoch there saying convicted rapists we've got kemi badenoch there saying menonvicted rapists we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should! rapists we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should notyists we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should not be; we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's should not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's prison. not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's prison. no bite going into women's prison. a bit of common well it is a bit common sense. well it is a bit of common really, isn't it? >> and in fact, the moj went further this at the further than this at the beginning of the year, actually, actually at the end of march, when it's any male prisoner who's been convicted of any violent or sexual offence , not violent or sexual offence, not just against women or any male prisoner who's got intact male genitalia is not eligible to be held in the female estate at all. >> and i think what's really significant about this is that it cuts across gender recognition, certificate status and the moj has really gone above and beyond and i think above and beyond and i think above all other departments in government to actually centre

safeguarding , which is a real safeguarding, which is a real it's a real shift because up until now we've been very much focussed on rights, we've been very much focussed on individual rights of transgender prisoners. >> so what suella braverman said as well today , which is that as well today, which is that it's about time that we worry less about the rights of sexual offenders and more about the rights people . rights of ordinary people. absolutely. frankly, which i think an important thing. think is an important thing. what would say? playing what would you say? just playing devil's advocate to people who go it's it's a fraction of go, it's less it's a fraction of a percentage of people who who are in this practise, so why bother? >> well, why bother? >> well, why bother? >> because is women in prison are amongst one of the most vulnerable and marginalised populations in the country that you can have a single male prisoner in one women's prison who can quite successfully terrorise the entire population of that prison. >> and i know from the conversations i've had with both officers and prisoners that this happens. you know, you'll get a male prisoner who terrorised is

a prison wing. he'll get transferred to another prison wing. he then terrorises that the population there are violent because of violence or because they're just simply men . they they're just simply men. they are just simply men. and we are deaung are just simply men. and we are dealing with a population of women. most of whom who have you know, they've experience violent and sexual offences against them, often since child hood. and they need a place of safety. and they need a place of safety. and to then gaslight them by holding them with a man and saying, no, no, no, no, this is a woman and you must refer to that prisoner as such , which is that prisoner as such, which is it's ridiculous. it's ridiculous . it's absolutely ridiculous. >> you know something similar issues going on in the schools at the moment. we haven't got time to go that. so, time to go into that. so, robert, very robert, look, you were very strong the strong that you thought the language of as a hurricane of mass legal migration, language of as a hurricane of masthought legal migration, language of as a hurricane of masthought iwas. migration, language of as a hurricane of masthought iwas toogration, language of as a hurricane of masthought iwas too strong. you thought that was too strong . the strength of . what about the strength of suella braverman saying it's time to worry less about the rise of sexual offenders, and rapists? more time to worry

rapists? it's more time to worry about us. was dog whistle ? about us. was that dog whistle? >> when was in government, >> when i was in government, i made that sex offenders made sure that sex offenders committed offences of committed committed offences of more than four years, stayed in pnson more than four years, stayed in prison for longer. because i believe in public protection . believe in public protection. absolutely. no about that. absolutely. no doubt about that. and absolutely and i think i absolutely endorse what's just been said about the need protect prisoners need to protect women prisoners from predatory males who have intact genitalia. i mean , it's intact genitalia. i mean, it's as plain a pikestaff. and as plain as a pikestaff. and that's absolutely the right approach former approach by my former department. but, you know, look, coming the point, coming back to the point, it's all well to sound tough all very well to sound tough about immigration. it's what's it's what's important is being smart about immigration. now it's a tough, difficult issue. but i think with intelligent answers about the why, why people are coming to europe, i think then we can actually start to crack this. but we won't do this on our own. we've got to work with other countries. >> part not >> but what's part of that? not i mean, we've returned i mean, look, we've returned back immigration now, but was back to immigration now, but was part what suella part of that not what suella braverman was saying when she was un refugee was begging the un refugee council to say, look, come on, change the definition of refugee. >> i don't disagree with

discussion. yeah, hold on. the un refugee convention, i think is a product of many countries and therefore you need to look at it internationally. i don't disagree with the fact it's now 70 years old and needs looking at, but it's a question also at, but it's a question of also being honest with the british people realistic about people and being realistic about the extent of what we can do. okay. there's still more to do . okay. there's still more to do. i think the government. but we've got to also be honest with the people , british people. the people, british people. >> the reason why cutting >> the reason why i'm cutting across, to rude. across, you is not to be rude. and sorry about this, and i am very sorry about this, but have got some breaking but i have got some breaking news bring which is that news to bring you, which is that suella said suella braverman has said that senior london tory andrew boff, who her who heckled her during her conservative speech , conservative conference speech, should be forgiven and let back into conference. >> right. >> right. >> well , that is interesting . >> well, that is interesting. you you all heart. oh, i totally agree with suella. >> i mean, i'm sure she would have been mortified. >> we've heard from you. you you let anyone in? >> no, hold on. i've been coming to conferences 30 years. >> i've only speech is part >> i've only free speech is part of we are. >> i've only free speech is part of andne are. >> i've only free speech is part of and ia are. >> i've only free speech is part of and i know suella agrees with >> and i know suella agrees with

that not that as well. so i'm not surprised by her comment. and i entirely endorse. >> pulling leg. >> i was only pulling your leg. don't just don't worry. don't worry. just one kate, don't worry. don't worry. just one i've kate, don't worry. don't worry. just one i've got kate, don't worry. don't worry. just one i've got you kate, don't worry. don't worry. just one i've got you very (ate, don't worry. don't worry. just one i've got you very quickly, while i've got you very quickly, is out you've heard from while i've got you very quickly, is otwo you've heard from while i've got you very quickly, is otwo political u've heard from while i've got you very quickly, is otwo political u've he at from while i've got you very quickly, is otwo political u've he at then the two political parties at the moment of your issue moment in line of your issue about single sex, about keeping prison single sex, where where are you? who are you? are you leaning towards you? who are you leaning towards ? heanng? ? what are you hearing? >> not a question, is >> it's not even a question, is it? the it? i mean, it's the conservatives lives the way. conservatives lives all the way. okay >> braverman did say >> and suella braverman did say that allude to and kemi, that keir starmer can't even tell you what a woman is. >> he doesn't know. he doesn't know a woman is. course know what a woman is. of course it's course. is it it's a problem. of course. is it a problem? >> both of you, thank you very much. we're wide much. because we're quite wide ranging much. because we're quite wide rangir but much appreciated. forth. but much appreciated. thank there's more thank you. so there's loads more still now still to come between now and 6:00 tories will their 6:00 to tories will give their reaction to suella braverman conference forget reaction to suella braverman confn nigel forget reaction to suella braverman conanigel farage, forget reaction to suella braverman conanigel farage, course,|et that nigel farage, of course, was of it. we'll that nigel farage, of course, wa hearing of it. we'll that nigel farage, of course, wa hearing from of it. we'll that nigel farage, of course, wa hearing from of it asie'll that nigel farage, of course, wa hearing from of it as well. but be hearing from him as well. but first, it is time for your first, yes, it is time for your latest with polly latest headlines with polly middlehurst. back to you . middlehurst. back to you. >> well, the latest headlines this hour are that the home

secretary, suella braverman, has warned of a hurricane of mass migration into the uk in future. speaking at the conservative party conference earlier on today, ms braverman said she would stop criminal gangs small boats and make sure legal migration was at reasonable levels. gb news presenter nigel farage, though, criticised the speech , saying it offered no speech, saying it offered no promises to fix any problems, adding that the government was out of touch with ordinary voters . also today, the home voters. also today, the home secretary said the heckler , who secretary said the heckler, who interrupted her conservative party conference speech should be forgiven and let back into conference these exclusive images obtained by gb news show andrew boff, who's a conservative london assembly member. he was escorted from the hall after saying that the home secretary's anti trans policies amounted to homophobia. gb news interviewed him outside the conference hall and the prime minister is yet to confirm the government's position on the

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investments that matter. for >> okay. >> okay. i've >> okay. i've let's >> okay. i've let's get >> okay. i've let's get more reaction to suella braverman conference speech, which we brought to you a little bit earlier on in the show. >> nigel farage told was >> nigel farage told me it was the failure of this the biggest failure of this conference far and that she conference so far and that she didn't one single promise conference so far and that she ditfix. one single promise conference so far and that she ditfix anything! single promise conference so far and that she ditfix anything .single promise conference so far and that she ditfix anything . butle promise conference so far and that she ditfix anything . but what mise conference so far and that she ditfix anything . but what do ie to fix anything. but what do tory mps make of it? you might have got a sneak preview of them earlier on there. damian green, who's former first secretary who's the former first secretary of state, and james daley, who's who's the former first secretary of smpl, and james daley, who's who's the former first secretary of smpl, arburynes daley, who's who's the former first secretary of smpl, arbury north, ley, who's who's the former first secretary of smpl, arbury north, justwho's who's the former first secretary of smpl, arbury north, just upy's the mp for bury north, just up the mp for bury north, just up the road from here, actually. join now chaps, thank you join me now chaps, thank you very, very much. believe very, very much. and i believe that a bit of context. that look for a bit of context. shall play little clip shall we just play a little clip of farage to say of what nigel farage had to say about steamed about it? so, nigel steamed out of particular meeting of that particular meeting there, came here and unload it. let's hear it, and then we'll get some reaction . get some reaction. >> it's a wreck. there's a hurricane , an of immigration hurricane, an of immigration coming from africa and coming from north africa and elsewhere . we must be prepared. elsewhere. we must be prepared. we will do whatever it takes to stop the small boats and then when it comes to solutions, do you know what she offered?

nothing >> echr nothing . >> echr nothing. >> echr nothing. >> she didn't even mention echr we'd all expected this to be the big policy announcement on what is one of the top 2 or 3 policies in the country. you know, we've got to stop the small boats. the public wants it. 70% want the small boats stopped . think the crossings are stopped. think the crossings are wrong . she's offered no wrong. she's offered no solutions. it is the most disappointing speech from a so—called hardline , you know, so—called hardline, you know, home office . home office. >> damian green, i'll start with you . was she wrong to not you. was she wrong to not mention the echr ? mention the echr? >> no, i think she made a series of points about migration on the echr is largely it's much more irrelevant to the whole debate than people think. people think, oh, you can't do the rwanda policy because of the echr . policy because of the echr. >> actually, it's the english courts operate and as they would operate if the echr had never been written under english common law, you can't deport people to somewhere that's dangerous. >> and the argument is whether rwanda dangerous not. >> and the argument is whether rw('i|da dangerous not. >> and the argument is whether rw('i don't dangerous not. >> and the argument is whether rw('i don't thinklrous not. >> and the argument is whether rw('i don't thinklro is. not. >> i don't think it is. >> i don't think it is. >> the british government

doesn't i hope doesn't think it is, and i hope the agrees with the supreme court agrees with that. way, the echr that. but either way, the echr is smokescreen. it's is a smokescreen. it's irrelevant . irrelevant. >> and on the whole , if nigel >> and on the whole, if nigel farage disliked the speech, then it makes me warm to it really ? it makes me warm to it really? >> well, that is interesting. james, you think the echr is james, do you think the echr is an irrelevant smokescreen? >> the most important >> i think the most important thing that people want when you see the words echr to most people there, they're people out there, they're not interested in that. >> to know that >> they just want to know that the government going the government are going to take strong measures illegal migration. >> agree with damian that >> and i agree with damian that the has the rwanda policy is what has broad constituency broad support in my constituency . i think in damon's as . i think probably in damon's as well. just get on with it. well. let's just get on with it. >> the thing home >> the one thing this home secretary does show is a determination very determination to address a very real small real concern regarding small boats and illegal migration. >> much and i like nigel >> i think much and i like nigel personally, i think suella could have said literally anything and he come out and said that, he would come out and said that, okay, right. you don't okay, all right. so you don't think that the echr is going to hold us back from getting flights off to rwanda then? because, i mean, that is a massive issue. people think that is of us offering that is a way of us offering that deterrent. mean, that, is a way of us offering that dewasznt. mean, that, is a way of us offering that dewas just mean, that, is a way of us offering that dewas just a nean, that, is a way of us offering that dewas just a lot n, that,

is a way of us offering that dewas just a lot of that, is a way of us offering that dewas just a lot of words that, is a way of us offering that dewas just a lot of words and|t, it was just a lot of words and not lot of potential action. not a lot of potential action. >> you >> i agree with james when you say issue . say it's a massive issue. >> yeah, it's you know, i don't get emails about it about immigration. >> oh, immigration is a massive issue. thought meant >> oh, immigration is a massive issuechr thought meant >> oh, immigration is a massive issuechr is.hought meant >> oh, immigration is a massive issuechr is ayught meant >> oh, immigration is a massive issuechr is a massive meant >> oh, immigration is a massive issu echr is a massive issue. it the echr is a massive issue. >> immigration absolutely is a massive issue . massive issue. >> need to get the >> and we need to get the numbers of people coming across in boats coming down. rwanda will help as a deterrent on that. >> so as i say, i hope the supreme court comes to a decision that says we can start the flights to rwanda . but but the flights to rwanda. but but my point is that it is the british courts deciding this. >> okay . all right. well, look, >> okay. all right. well, look, what would you say to people like that london assembly member there may or may not be back in any apparently said any moment. apparently who said that was dog whistle stuff. that this was dog whistle stuff. i've got some of the quotes here from suella braverman . you know, from suella braverman. you know, we should labour the party of open borders. we're the party of strong borders. the human rights act should called act should be called the criminal she spoke criminal rights act. she spoke about . is it about bogus asylum claims. is it is it dog whistle transphobic? well, the transphobic stuff came later . is it dog whistle stuff ?

later. is it dog whistle stuff? it's not people , i think. thank it's not people, i think. thank god we live in a country where people have got the ability to be to things way. be able to say things in a way. we want to be we don't want people to be offended way. you know, offended in any way. you know, we best as politicians to we do our best as politicians to be , to be be reasonable, to be proportionate in our language. if chooses use that if suella chooses to use that language, should language, then people should judge . judge her on that. >> suella on is >> what i judge suella on is actually doing. >> what i judge suella on is act|and doing. >> what i judge suella on is act|and so doing. >> what i judge suella on is act|and so talking doing. >> what i judge suella on is act|and so talking what|g. >> what i judge suella on is act|and so talking what i. >> what i judge suella on is act|and so talking what i do >> and so talking what i do agree with nigel on this point is if people want the reduction in small boats and a reduction in small boats and a reduction in illegal immigration into this country, just having country, rather than just having a words , let's a discussion about words, let's have at actions and deeds have a look at actions and deeds and are and what's actually what are they what they there? what are what are they there? what are what are the and that we the actions and deeds that we can we're can do? we're paying we're paying can do? we're paying we're paying load paying the french a load of money. boats money. we can't turn the boats back. paying eight, back. we're paying eight, £8 million hotel. what can million a day in hotel. what can we do? yeah, the legislation is going think going through rwanda, i think will deterrent to going through rwanda, i think willhouse deterrent to going through rwanda, i think willhouse well, eterrent to going through rwanda, i think willhouse well, listen,t to the house on. well, listen, i was i'm on the home affairs select i was i've select committee. i was i've actually french. actually met the french. >> i actually on beaches >> i was actually on the beaches in were in calais. not only were the french saying this in calais. not only were the french be saying this in calais. not only were the french be a saying this in calais. not only were the french be a real saying this in calais. not only were the french be a real deterrent,1is in calais. not only were the french be a real deterrent, the would be a real deterrent, the french police were saying this would be a real deterrent, the frewell. olice were saying this would be a real deterrent, the frewell. olice people aying this would be a real deterrent, the frewell. olice people don't this would be a real deterrent, the frewell. olice people don't want as well. and people don't want what blocked . what if we blocked. >> confident that our

>> i'm very confident that our justice system will act in line with its responsibilities and respect the democratic view of parliament, which i know you do as well. i do. i do. i respect. ihave as well. i do. i do. i respect. i have the utmost respect for it, as you well know. let's it, as you well know. look let's just quickly rishi just hear quickly from rishi sunak, earlier with sunak, who spoke earlier with christopher , political christopher hope, our political editor migration , because of editor on migration, because of all the things we're doing, the new deal i signed with albania, we've returned almost 3000 illegal migrants to albania . illegal migrants to albania. >> and you know what? they've stopped coming. that's why we need to get rwanda up and running i confident running now. i am confident that the we've got in place the plans we've got in place will they deliver , will work. they will deliver, but got lot to do. of but they've got a lot to do. of course to do, course, we've got a lot to do, but is a huge priority for but this is a huge priority for me and we're making a difference i >> okay, so off the back of this conservative party conference, are you more or less confident of winning the next election ? of winning the next election? >> oh, i'm more confident. >> oh, i'm more confident. >> and we haven't yet heard the prime minister's speech. i think the truth is all parties, which, by that speech, by the way, during that speech, he expected he is expected, widely expected to in to announce that here in a disused station in disused railway station in manchester, not going to

manchester, hs2, is not going to come manchester. well, let's. come to manchester. well, let's. >> you're confident. >> and you're more confident. let's what says let's let's see what he says about first. about that first. >> . >> okay. >> okay. >> yeah, let's not anticipate. but but genuinely all conferences is just a huge bubble and we all get obsessed by it. >> and there, the end of >> and out there, by the end of this will remember this week, people will remember what the prime minister said and probably about conference. >> so truth it is too >> so the truth is it is too early about this early to tell about this conference haven't early to tell about this conferthez haven't early to tell about this conferthe prime haven't early to tell about this conferthe prime minister's'en't speech. >> and of course it's an unusually important all prime minister unusually important all prime miparty conference. this is an at party conference. this is an unusually important one because we know there's going to be an election in the next year and election on in the next year and he done one. he hasn't done one. >> know when is election? >> yeah, no but i'm i'm >> yeah, no idea. but i'm i'm guessing you wouldn't tell me even if you did know, would you? that's certainly true. but the only can decide is only person who can decide is the prime minister. >> and he hasn't told me. my guess is it's october. >> yeah, that would seem perfectly >> yeah, that would seem perfewthen economic we'll then see the economic recovery just recovery that would just beginning by this beginning to see now, by this time people will time next year, people will have will of will have seen the benefit of the tough decisions. >> we've all had tough times , >> we've all had tough times, but tough decisions the but the tough decisions the government , we'll government has taken, we'll be getting this by

getting the benefits of this by the summer and autumn of next yean >> what do you want, richard? to you to his speech, you not to say in his speech, though? i want the country to see rishi sunak sunak. though? i want the country to see know;hi sunak sunak. though? i want the country to see know thatjnak sunak. though? i want the country to see know that damian ak. he's >> i know that damian knows he's a man with a bold vision. >> man who is committed >> he's a man who is committed to levelling up. >> believes all of >> he believes that all parts of the and the country should be funded and provided resources provided with the resources to make what make sure that no matter what your can your background, that you can achieve while achieve your potential. while rishi . rishi is. >> whether take >> and whether people take a different view is matter different view is a matter for them. is great man . he is a them. he is a great man. he is a kind he's a man kind man. he's a man who's committed to this country and wants right thing. and wants to do the right thing. and when people see that, i think they're going to a they're going to see a politician to politician that they want to back, certainly over. >> keir starmer. >> keir starmer. >> so red >> mr flip—flop right. so red wall okay . you've said that wall mp okay. you've said that rishi a man who cares rishi sunak is a man who cares about , likes delivering about britain, likes delivering things. we're possibly on things. look, we're possibly on the brink of hs2. not happening when it comes to manchester. that's going to go down badly in the wall, isn't it? were the red wall, isn't it? we were supposed you know, supposed to be, you know, connecting, we're connecting, connecting. we're getting up. getting back to levelling up. we're politics we're getting back to politics like reasons like this. one of the reasons why like gb news is what you, why i like gb news is what you, when you present shows you're interested in what people in kent constituents,

kent damon's constituents, what people to people in bury, what matters to them issues hit them them, those issues that hit them between when they go between the face when they go out the every single day between the face when they go o hs2 the every single day between the face when they go o hs2 the big every single day between the face when they go ohs2 the big infrastructure day . hs2 is a big infrastructure project, but it is what my constituents are reasonable, pragmatic people . pragmatic people. >> they want to know that they're getting bang for their buck. >> they want to know that it's value for money. >> they want to know the >> they want to know that the costs are spiralling of costs are spiralling out of control, how much that is going to minister >> and so if the prime minister has i don't know has taken a view, i don't know that costs are spiralling. has taken a view, i don't know tha wests are spiralling. has taken a view, i don't know tha we are are spiralling. has taken a view, i don't know tha we are notspiralling. has taken a view, i don't know tha we are not getting,|. know, >> we are not getting, you know, a on a significant return on our money. an important i >> that's an important thing. i know. think know. i get that. i think i think that regardless, people's views unfortunate views on hs2, the unfortunate thing if it doesn't end thing is that if it doesn't end up it's difficult up happening, it's difficult to say it's not a little bit say that it's not a little bit embarrassing, i suppose, given the of money that's the amount of money that's gone into it. one last one for you. net rishi sunak net zero. we heard rishi sunak there. our political there. talk to our political editor christopher about editor christopher hope about not parliament, not having votes in parliament, about things like our carbon targets and the pace at which net zero is going to take place. backing labour into a corner to make come out and say, make them come out and say, yeah, want to hurtle towards make them come out and say, yeaiby want to hurtle towards make them come out and say, yeaiby 2030. t to hurtle towards make them come out and say, yeaiby 2030. the hurtle towards make them come out and say, yeaiby 2030. the insinuation'ds

make them come out and say, yeaiby 2030. the insinuation in this by 2030. the insinuation in there would be that the labour party would then the party party would then be the party that make some of the that voted to make some of the worst in society worst off in society poorer, with things like heat pumps and getting do you getting electric cars. do you think or not? >> think very important not? >> we nk very important not? >> we stick very important not? >> we stick to ery important not? >> we stick to theimportant not? >> we stick to the net)rtant not? >> we stick to the net zerot that we stick to the net zero target for 2050. >> and how we get there. >> yes, and how we get there. i appreciate we can have a discussion about if labour want to say that everything is stuck in stone now or between now and 2050, then they'd be mad to do that. >> so i think i think rishi's approach is perfectly sensible to the people bury north to the people of bury north carabao to the people of bury north car.doo to the people of bury north car.do you think? think there's >> do you think? i think there's certainly some people i think there who think there are other people who think there are other people who think there pragmatic there are other more pragmatic view the view in respect of it. and the one thing they do care about, patrick is they want patrick is they don't want ordinary people to be taxed into oblivion, to oblivion, and businesses are to be into oblivion, to reach be taxed into oblivion, to reach a target is long way a target which is a long way off. got very off. right? i've got a very quick bring you of rishi quick clip to bring you of rishi sunak about our sunak being asked about our political editor, christopher hope , about whether or not hope, about whether or not there's a place for nigel farage in the clip. oh, let's have a look. oh, unfortunately, we haven't got that clip, but there we go. sunak did say that

we go. rishi sunak did say that the was a broad church , the party was a broad church, and so didn't rule out nigel and so he didn't rule out nigel farage rejoining the conservative . your view? farage rejoining the con it�*rvative . your view? farage rejoining the conit is1tive . your view? farage rejoining the conit is ave . your view? farage rejoining the conit is a broad . your view? farage rejoining the conit is a broad church r view? farage rejoining the conit is a broad church based? farage rejoining the conit is a broad church based on >> it is a broad church based on conservative principles. >> if nigel wants to announce that he's taken up conservative principles and mean it, then whatever. >> but i would be i would be sceptical that we were to going hear that. >> would you have him? of course, yeah. nigel's a conservative. i've, you know, we know. we all know that he may go . he calls himself ukip and various a various other things, but he's a conservative i'm that conservative and i'm sure that he wants to come back the he wants to come back into the party party party and the party that espouses beliefs. well, espouses his same beliefs. well, this the tory party this is the tory party difference opinion. difference of opinion. good stuff. right, guys, thank stuff. all right, guys, thank you very great have you you very much. great to have you on much appreciated on the show. much appreciated there. damian green, on the show. much appreciated thncourse, damian green, on the show. much appreciated thncourse, welliamian green, on the show. much appreciated thncourse, welliarrjameseen, of course, as well as james daly, mps now , we daly, two tory mps there now, we are be very shortly are going to be very shortly having a little of having a little bit of a conversation about about foreign aid. yes, that's right. we're going to finish the show with a debate about whether or not foreign too high, whether foreign aid is too high, whether or should be rowing back or not we should be rowing back on news. on it. patrick christys gb news.

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on gb news, the people's channel . on >> okay, so foreign aid massive talking point here at conference especially today. but just how much money should britain be sending abroad ? yes, that's what sending abroad? yes, that's what i went out and about and spoke to a couple of people here at conference to get the views of to a couple of people here at con'generalto get the views of to a couple of people here at con'general public. 1e views of to a couple of people here at con'general public. britains of to a couple of people here at con'general public. britain isnf the general public. britain is my home and that's what i care about most. >> i'm not particularly interested in propping up failing governments and their failing governments and their failing projects . i'm interested

failing projects. i'm interested in improving our british citizens lives and their futures. you know, i'm a young person myself. you know, there's so things so many different things that i want in life, and want to achieve in life, and i want to achieve in life, and i want to achieve in life, and i want to know that my government's on my own side. >> helping people >> we're helping people in genuine understanding that, >> but my understanding that, like money, to like loads of money, is going to climate change, rubbish initiatives, total scam in india, in places like that. so we should not be doing that. >> no, i support the foreign aid budget. >> i would prefer to see reinstated at 0.7. that reinstated at 0.7. i know that there are lots of international development charities that do fantastic work. i think it's very good value for money be very good value for money to be able a lot of able to cut off a lot of problems at the source. you know, the big problems know, one of the big problems that's here is, know, one of the big problems that know, here is, know, one of the big problems that know, large here is, know, one of the big problems that know, large scale here is, you know, large scale immigration from places that are being famine and being affected by famine and droughts. instance, in east droughts. for instance, in east africa , for. africa, for. >> all right, let's finish the show with a bit of a debate. i'm joined now by the head of campaigns at the taxpayers alliance, elliot keck, and the chief executive officer at the coalition prosperity. coalition for global prosperity. ryan hanson. elliot, i'll start with scrap it. with you. foreign aid, scrap it. >> i think certainly need to >> i think certainly we need to look cutting we need to

look at cutting it. we need to be honest about what foreign aid is. >> it's humanitarian >> it's not humanitarian spending save lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe ining save lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe in reality. save lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe in reality. what save lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe in reality. what it save lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe in reality. what it is, ve lives, >> it's not humanitarian spe in reality. what it is, is lives, not in reality. what it is, is a vast sum of money that goes towards often an absurd and at the very least, absurdly optimistic projects. let's just take a couple, for example. so in recent years, we've given about £12 million to a project to provide condoms in pakistan, a highly conservative religious society, which you're not to going change overnight with £12 million. another one, 1.6 million. >> that's a lot of condoms . >> that's a lot of condoms. yeah, that's true. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> £1.6 million for peace and reconciliation in sudan, a country which , following that country which, following that project into utter project descended into utter civil war. >> we need honest . >> so we need to be honest. >> so we need to be honest. >> i get point. is it >> i get that point. is it a waste of money? >> absolutely not. i mean, i support overseas aid for two reasons. >> first, it's the right thing to do. it could be we have a to do. it could be us. we have a duty as a relatively wealthy country those who country to look after those who can't help themselves. i can't help themselves. but i also because it's also support it because it's in our interest. our national interest. >> makes more to >> it makes far more sense to help people they are help people where they are rather than have them come to the with the the uk or have to deal with the consequences of a failed state.

>> far effective to help >> far more effective to help people as they are rather than deal people as they are rather than deacan have a couple of >> can we have a couple of examples how somewhere where examples of how somewhere where it's really sure. it's worked really well? sure. well, at well, i think let's look at vaccines, example. vaccines, for example. >> world in >> the uk led the world in creating to covid. we creating a vaccine to covid. we shared that vaccine with countries in the developing world. we're now doing the same on malaria. so the british people be really, really people can be really, really proud that we've done much to proud that we've done so much to keep alive who keep people alive who may othennise from othennise have died from malaria. come that malaria. did that come out, that came aid then ? came out of foreign aid then? >> that we sent >> yeah, the fact that we sent some . some vaccines. >> yes. through the gavi vaccine alliance. >> i mean, all >> yeah. i mean, that's all right, certainly right, isn't it? certainly a good where foreign good example of where foreign aid spending has been used. >> as viewers >> well, but as your viewers will know and as british taxpayers not taxpayers will know, that's not the listen, ultimately , if >> and listen, ultimately, if you use british aid you want to use british aid money in way that actually money in a way that actually saves estimate saves lives, they estimate there's an organisation that estimates that the cheapest way to life is give $5,000 to save a life is to give $5,000 to save a life is to give $5,000 to fund malaria treatments. >> if we really wanted to save lives, it would be going exclusively to that essentially. >> this >> but because there's this nebulous for what we call nebulous desire for what we call soft power, but which nobody can ever and which

ever really define and which nobody really measure, ever really define and which nolend really measure, ever really define and which nolend up really measure, ever really define and which nolend up pumpinglly measure, ever really define and which nolend up pumping moneysure, ever really define and which nolend up pumping money into we end up pumping money into projects that at best fail and at worst are just frankly absurd right from the off. >> yeah, i mean, there is a perception , isn't there, that perception, isn't there, that quite a lot of british taxpayer money does way into the money does find its way into the back pockets dictators back pockets of grubby dictators or completely pointless girl bands like the ethiopian spice girls yagna, which is one of the infamous cases the daily mail wheels out every now and again. so stuff happen, so that stuff does happen, doesn't but i think doesn't it? it does, but i think we be cautious to not we need to be cautious to not throw out with the bath water. >> if you abolish the mod every time there was a procurement scandal , there'd be no army scandal, there'd be no army left. example , most is left. for example, most aid is really well spent it's well really well spent and it's well spent are right spent because here we are right now parliament now scrutinising it, parliament scrutinising it. the daily mail scrutinises it as do . scrutinises it as you do. >> yeah. yeah. no, exactly. we are we are middle of a are we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis at the moment. the highest. moment. tax is the highest. it's ever since ever been, i think since the second anyway. it second world war anyway. is it now harder to justify spending somewhere in the region of £11 billion a year on foreign projects , some of which i think projects, some of which i think i believe right in saying

i believe i'm right in saying some of which goes to china. >> since been >> i think that has since been wrapped up. >> you're absolutely right . >> you're absolutely right. >> you're absolutely right. >> gone to china in the >> it has gone to china in the past. >> still fin- past. >> still to india. >> it's still going to india. >> it's still going to india. >> think problem >> and i think the problem is, listen, at listen, we're not very good at spending money, even domestically. is very, domestically. whitehall is very, very bad at spending money, even domestically. that domestically. so the idea that it's going be at it's going to be better at spending money abroad at precisely places where precisely the places where british actually british taxpayers won't actually directly experience it, i think is for the birds. >> they are justify. then, >> they are to justify. then, you people in you know, you've got people in this moment who you know, you've got people in thisthinking moment who you know, you've got people in thisthinking , moment who you know, you've got people in thisthinking , i've moment who you know, you've got people in thisthinking , i've momehaveio are thinking, i've got to have to new electric car . at to buy a new electric car. at some point. i'm going to have to get pump. been told some point. i'm going to have to ge do pump. been told some point. i'm going to have to ge do ofyump. been told some point. i'm going to have to ge do of this.. been told some point. i'm going to have to ge do of this. you been told some point. i'm going to have to ge do of this. you know, told some point. i'm going to have to ge do of this. you know, the to do all of this. you know, the cost weekly shop is going cost of my weekly shop is going through you through the roof. but, you know, but assured, there's but rest assured, there's a family got family in nigeria who've got a few more goats. >> look, the point i would >> well, look, the point i would make we do overseas make is if we don't do overseas aid, the problems that will affect anyway. affect us will happen anyway. it's worse. it's just that they'll be worse. take, example, jim mattis, take, for example, jim mattis, who trump as who served donald trump as defence heart by bleeding heart liberal by any means. the means. he said to congress, the less spend on aid, the more less you spend on aid, the more ihave less you spend on aid, the more i have spend on bullets. i have to spend on bullets. better deal with now better to deal with problems now than consequences aftennards. >> way to finish the aftennards. >> chaps. ay to finish the

aftennards. >> chaps. thankinish the aftennards. >> chaps. thank you the aftennards. >> chaps. thank you very show, chaps. thank you very much. that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that is that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that is , that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that is , of that show, chaps. thank you very much stuff. that is , of course,: great stuff. that is, of course, the head of campaigns at the taxpayers alliance, keck, the head of campaigns at the taxpthe's alliance, keck, the head of campaigns at the taxpthe chief ance, keck, the head of campaigns at the taxpthe chief executive keck, the head of campaigns at the taxpthe chief executive officer. and the chief executive officer of the coalition global of the coalition for global prosperity, hey prosperity, ryan henson. hey which fence are which side of the fence are you on? views and news.com. can on? gb views and news.com. can i just thank very much, just say thank you very much, everybody who's tuning everybody who's been tuning in, watching and listening throughout the course of this conservative conference, conservative party conference, michelle dewberry will be up next from our paddington studios .then next from our paddington studios . then after that, of course, you've himself , the you've got the man himself, the man the conference, really, man at the conference, really, nigel farage will with you nigel farage will be with you seven got seven until eight. he's got a whole great whole host of great guests, including duncan smith with including ian duncan smith with him. make sure that you don't him. so make sure that you don't miss that. he's got a lot to get stuck least, stuck into, not least, of course, home secretary course, our home secretary speech. some people thought it was she said speech. some people thought it wasthe she said speech. some people thought it wasthe right she said speech. some people thought it wasthe right things. she said speech. some people thought it wasthe right things. nigelsaid all the right things. nigel thinks didn't mention the thinks she didn't mention the echr and that's bad. where are you?

ideology situation and what should be the most important in the nhs? should it be gender or should it be things like your actual biological sex when it comes to same sex wards? lol lots of conversation, lots of criticism coming his way. where