ideology situation and what should be the most important in the nhs? should it be gender or should it be things like your actual biological sex when it comes to same sex wards? lol lots of conversation, lots of criticism coming his way. where

do you stand on it all and as well, michael gove, he's been speaking out. he reckons that this parliament is on track to deliver a million homes before the end of the parliament. do you agree with that? it you agree with that? is it realistic and it enough? and realistic and is it enough? and of course, the big news of the day suella suella braverman doing yet another speech. of course, you know the drill by now. she talks tough, she gets criticised. she's talking about hurricanes. when it comes to migration and lots , lots more. migration and lots, lots more. we're going to have it all and more. but before we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well as you've been hearing, the home secretary suella braverman, has been warning a future hurricane warning of a future hurricane of mass migration the uk. in mass migration into the uk. in her speech to the tory party conference in manchester today , conference in manchester today, ms braverman said that as well as stopping illegal migrants from coming to the uk, she'll

also make sure that legal migration is held at reasonable levels. gb news presenter nigel farage criticised the speech , farage criticised the speech, saying the government was out of touch with ordinary voters. ms braverman said the conservative party would do whatever it takes to deter the boats illegal migration act, which will come into force in the coming months , now means that the only route to asylum in the uk is a legal route . route. >> the act means that those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country if possible, or to a safe third country like rwanda . but all of this is rwanda. but all of this is ultimately a question of political will and be under no illusion on we will do whatever it takes to stop the boats and deter bogus asylum seekers and the home secretary says the heckler who interrupted her conservative conference speech should be forgiven and let back

into conference in these exclusive images obtained by gb news andrew boff, who is a conservative london assembly member, was escorted from the hall after saying the home secretary's anti—trans policies amounted to homophobia for the prime minister has told gb news he's the person to deliver change to britain. >> rishi sunak defended his record on illegal immigration, saying for the first time ever, the number of small boats crossing the english channel from france is down by a fifth. he also reiterated his plan to halve inflation and accused the labour leader of being light on real policy . real policy. >> he you've got keir starmer who you know no one knows what he stands for. flip flops left and right. the country can see through that. that's not leadership. what i'm offering is different. i know people want change. the person to change. i'm the person to deliver it because we're going to do politics differently. you saw zero. see saw that on net zero. you'll see that this week. that's what you get from conservative government >> the prime minister is >> well, the prime minister is expected to confirm in his

conservative speech conservative party speech tomorrow exactly what his position is on the future of the northern section of the hs2 rail project . businesses are said to project. businesses are said to be demanding immediate clarity following reports rishi sunak may be planning to scrap the line from birmingham to manchester. it's understood the prime minister will announce spending on other infrastructure projects for the north in his forthcoming speech . arch foreign forthcoming speech. arch foreign pnsons forthcoming speech. arch foreign prisons could be used to help combat the crisis of britain's overflowing jails . the overflowing jails. the government is considering renting prison cells overseas to tackle prison overcrowding here. speaking at the party conference, the justice secretary, alex chalk, proposed the move with spare mail capacity . down 258 places left capacity. down 258 places left in uk jails. only now, murderers who carry out sexually motivated attacks will automatically face attacks will automatically face a whole life sentence under new powers planned by the government. the legal experts caution on judges will apply

retrospective hinckley to those who've already been charged with the crime but are yet to be sentenced. justice secretary alex chalk saying most dangerous and depraved killers when they get life, it should mean life . get life, it should mean life. male to female. trans people could be prevented from using female only hospital wards under new government plans. trans patients would be treated in separate accommodation, which the campaign group stonewall says will be humiliating and dangerous for them. the health secretary, steve barclay, outlined the proposal at the conservative party conference earlier . earlier. >> we will change the nhs constitution for during a consultation later this year to make sure we respect the privacy and dignity and safety of all patients. recognise the importance of different biological needs and protect the rights of women . gina doctors rights of women. gina doctors have threatened further industrial action in november and december unless they receive

and december unless they receive a credible pay offer and they've been demonstrating outside the conference centre in manchester where the conservatives are holding their conference alongside consults on day two of alongside consults on day two of a three day strike. >> this week. radiographers have also walked out for 24 hours. the bma is demanding a return to the negotiating table, but the government says after accepting the recommendations of an independent pay body, this years independent pay body, this year's 6% pay rise is final . year's 6% pay rise is final. while the prince and princess of wales have been in cardiff today to meet members of the windrush generation , prince william and generation, prince william and princess catherine greeted windrush veterans and descendant dunng windrush veterans and descendant during their visit, marking the start of black history month. they met with windrush generations at the grange pavilion community centre to hear about their contribution to the welsh community. the royal couple joined members of the grange pavilion youth forum as well for a quick competitive game of table tennis with gb

news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio and on your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> thanks for that, polly. our michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. the pr consultant alex dean and the contributing editor at novara media , michael walker. novara media, michael walker. good evening , both of you. good evening, both of you. you're very welcome tonight. and you know the drill. don't you, on this programme. it is not just about us. it is very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can with me all the can get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email gbviews@gbnews.com or you can tweet x or whatever it's tweet me or x or whatever it's called these days at gb news. now, of course, the story that is dominating all of the news agenda today is another day at the tory party conference over in manchester. shall we just take a moment to bring ourselves up to speed with all of the

day's goings on? i'll cross live there. now our political correspondent catherine foster keeps us company. good evening , keeps us company. good evening, catherine. my viewers, please bnng catherine. my viewers, please bring them up to speed with the highlights or the lowlights, whatever you want to reflect on of the day . of the day. >> yes. well rishi sunak today trying to get everybody talking about what he wants them to talk about what he wants them to talk about rather than what he really doesn't want us to talk about, which is hs2. we do expect it to be scrapped. the birmingham to manchester part tomorrow in his speech. what we don't know is what he's going to do in its place. but he spoke to our political editor, christopher hope earlier. he was highlighting his successes, those five pledges that he trots out at every opportunity he is having a bit more luck than he was because inflation is falling. he's confident it will be halved by the end of the year from what it was and the economy is not in recession. just about . and the small boats. okay he's

promised to stop the boats. it's not going very well. but he is keen to point out that the numbers are down about 23% on last year, though . sure, 25,000 last year, though. sure, 25,000 people have still crossed the channel illegally, but this afternoon the big speech was, of course, the home secretary, suella braverman . and she has suella braverman. and she has again , as she has a habit of again, as she has a habit of doing rather set the cat among the pigeons. she has warned of a hurricane of people trying to get into britain illegally. of course, they've pledged to stop the boats . her rwanda plan and the boats. her rwanda plan and priti patel's before her. rwanda plan were still waiting on a court judgement. so in the courtjudgement. so in the absence of really great success on this, she's talking very, very tough indeed . talking about very tough indeed. talking about she says, her comments on multicolour all have multicultural ism. sorry, having

failed have been sort of misinterpret it, but she is saying that lots of people haven't integrated into british society, that they sort of live in little pockets, talking only their own language and not mixing and she's also upset many lgbtq+ people today and in the last days and during the speech, andrew boff, who's a member of the conservative london assembly , he's been a conservative member for about 50 years, was marched out of the hall , all for marched out of the hall, all for heckling her. now, he's very angry. he's basically saying that she's behaving atroa nervously towards that community. now suella braverman has sub6 said yes. his comments were ill advised, but he should be let back in. so rishi sunak very much trying to present a united party, but plenty of rouse going on suella braverman upsetting lots of people and

also lots of unhappiness about hs2 , most notably the west hs2, most notably the west midlands mayor andy street, the conservative mayor. and bear in mind that hs2 is definitely going to birmingham is very , going to birmingham is very, very angry indeed about the prospect of it not continuing to manchester. >> well, interesting stuff, catherine. thank you for that update . you are a tory party update. you are a tory party member. you join me. you're not in manchester. >> i was there until coming down for this. >> oh, did you come back, especially especially for you. what a treat. well as what a treat. as well as a member, put something to member, i will put something to you in a second. but we asked rishi sunak christopher faux pas rishi sunak christopher faux pas rishi question and rishi sunak a question and i thought it was quite a ballsy question, just question, actually. let's just listen get the response listen and i'll get the response from you. >> to be in >> it feels to be in a conference when most members didn't you. didn't vote for you. >> i the conference, the spirit of conference is great. you know, been out about know, i've been out and about talking to members, talking to colleagues. spring colleagues. people have a spring in see that in their step. they can see that we're progress massing we're making progress massing because that is one of the things that comes through so

thick in my inbox. thick and fast in my inbox. >> know, he wasn't elected. >> you know, he wasn't elected. we voted truss and all the we voted for truss and all the rest of it. what do you think his response then? >> well, it's good to be honest, right? i was the last right? i mean, i was the last japanese soldier on my jungle island boris johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswasi boris johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did boris johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did a boris johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did a roundboris johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did a round of'is johnson. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did a round of media son. japanese soldier on my jungle iswas did a round of media oni. i was did a round of media on the morning he went saying he shouldn't go. i must have been the last tory on tv saying that . and then voted for liz truss . and then i voted for liz truss . so of doubly of that .so i'm kind of doubly of that position. but you know what? now he's in the role and doing it. i'm pretty glad that rishi sunaks, our prime minister, it's possible think those possible to think all of those things right the time that things right at the time that bofis things right at the time that boris was in post, boris johnson was in post, i thought it was wrong, especially given he'd won the 2019 election so to so handsomely for the party to do and then i thought do as it did, and then i thought liz truss never really got a chance to get out of the starting blocks. but my point is i'm about it. i voted for starting blocks. but my point is i'm and about it. i voted for starting blocks. but my point is i'm and forbout it. i voted for starting blocks. but my point is i'm and for not. it. i voted for starting blocks. but my point is i'm and for not sunak. ted for starting blocks. but my point is i'm and for not sunak. nowor starting blocks. but my point is i'm and for not sunak. now he's her and for not sunak. now he's there. i he's doing a good there. i think he's doing a good job. was morale good? >> honestly, far better >> honestly, it was far better than seen reported in in than i've seen reported in in the press. >> i saw that one journalist who

contributes channel contributes to this channel occasionally said that manchester town. manchester was a ghost town. i mean, don't recognise mean, i just don't recognise that at all. it felt pretty busy to me. >> it was raining so people do try take cover, i mean, try and take cover, but i mean, ghost that's a bit odd. ghost town, that's a bit odd. look, before bring michael in look, before i bring michael in as let's listen to one as well, let's listen to one more clip from rishi sunak asked by earlier on. by christopher hope earlier on. >> minister, what do you >> prime minister, what do you for? >> prime minister, what do you for'=i stand for doing the right >> i stand for doing the right thing for the country in the long term, not taking the easy way out. i think that's the change to see change that people want to see in politics. that's in their politics. that's the change i'm going to bring. change that i'm going to bring. and you saw that with my decision on net zero. i did something thought was something that i thought was right. it a big right. you know, it was a big decision. and people can decision. and look, people can criticise that, criticise me for that, but i thought what we're the thought what we're doing, the path we're on, is going to cost ordinary families. five, ten, £15,000. didn't that £15,000. i didn't think that was right. >> i'm going to get >> so, michael, i'm going to get into before the the into before the end of the programme, want touch on programme, i want to touch on the stuff towards the the suella stuff towards the end. course, the stephen end. of course, the stephen barclay, the stuff and all barclay, the nhs stuff and all that. specifically on that that. but specifically on that point rishi sunak is point where rishi sunak is basically look, the basically saying, look, i am the man stand for the man for the job, i stand for the long term tough decisions. do you that?

long term tough decisions. do youi that? long term tough decisions. do youi don'tat? long term tough decisions. do youi don't think we've seen the >> i don't think we've seen the evidence of that, that he's here for long decisions. i for the long term decisions. i mean, in favour mean, personally, i'm in favour of i would build all the of hs2. i would build it all the way to scotland if i could. way up to scotland if i could. i think that's the kind of thing that's kind investment that's the kind of investment that's the kind of investment that bring rewards. we'd that would bring rewards. we'd get that investment. get returns on that investment. i scrapping that seems i think scrapping that seems like short decision to like a short term decision to please the bean counters please some of the bean counters in the treasury. essentially, i think oh, we can we think he's saying, oh, we can we can save a bit of money here. that will make life easier. that will make my life easier. and that's really and i think that's really letting future generations letting down future generations who would benefit from it. >> saying he's who would benefit from it. >> bothered saying he's who would benefit from it. >> bothered aboutaying he's who would benefit from it. >> bothered about asng he's who would benefit from it. >> bothered about as i'm he's not bothered about as i'm interpreting what he's saying, he's not bothered about being popular. he's not bothered about being popula hitting people in their zero is hitting people in their back pockets. he's got the chops to up and say, know to stand up and say, you know what? a lot of people will disagree with disagree disagree with that. disagree with say. but with what i'm about to say. but so what this is my principle. this is what for. stand this is what i for. stand >> well, a lot of people do agree with him on that. >> mean, that, to me seems >> i mean, that, to me seems like that was an electoral play. he a divide on he wanted to create a divide on climate there climate change where there wasn't what wasn't one. and i think what we've this conference in we've seen at this conference in

general the general as well is that the tories are really struggling to find the labour find a divide with the labour party and that they they party and that means they they keep making things up essentially. so we sort of a government minister yesterday sort the sort of announcing that the government meat government would scrap the meat tax place, which tax which isn't in place, which no which no one has proposed, which the labour in favour labour party aren't in favour of. think they are sort of. and so i think they are sort of. and so i think they are sort of desperately searching for divisions which aren't necessarily sunak in necessarily there. also sunak in your bulletin saying necessarily there. also sunak in your he's bulletin saying necessarily there. also sunak in your he's the lletin saying necessarily there. also sunak in your he's the change saying necessarily there. also sunak in your he's the change candidate. that he's the change candidate. i years of i mean, we've had 13 years of tory and calling tory government and he's calling himself candidate. himself the change candidate. >> michael makes a good point because little bit odd because it is a little bit odd because it is a little bit odd because there was the reference to the meat tax. then there was also that was it seven or also that was it seven bins or something like that that was scrapped that scrapped the other day that didn't what didn't really ever exist. what is going on? >> so michael completely >> so michael is completely right. those were right. neither of those were labour policies. they were labour party policies. they were both by relevant both policies mooted by relevant select committees. and so the government something select committees. and so the gove never|t something select committees. and so the gove never actually something select committees. and so the gove never actually son its 1ing that never actually had seen its way being way onto the potentially being on books yet. but on the statute books yet. but i think the climate think on the on the climate change that michael makes, change point that michael makes, the government's done three things which are things which i think are slightly different in in their tone. shifting tone. the first was shifting back deadline from 2030 to back the deadline from 2030 to 2035 for the sale of new combustible engine cars that for

me was just pragmatic, given that germany and france are major competitors in that space had done the same. so that one i just the pushback will be hang on, because your business is they're geared up to the 2030 deadline. >> i know, i know. now you're messing business around. >> point would be >> i know. but my point would be it be a complete different it would be a complete different debate if britain was debate if britain alone was changingit backwards. in fact, pushing it backwards. in fact, we european motor we were in european major motor manufacturers, the last one hanging on that earlier hanging on to that earlier deadline. one i just deadline. so that one i just thought pragmatic. the thought was pragmatic. the second on anti ulez type second one on anti ulez type stuff, if i just bracket it like that, michael's right is wildly popular. and let's be honest, again, it's the only reason the conservative party won the by—election in uxbridge and south othennise we were south ruislip. othennise we were doing pretty badly in boris johnson's old seat and we hung on to that solely because of ulez. i've never seen a single issue play so prominently a role . so the conservative party has taken a position that is very popular. the third on the popular. the third one on the housing and insulation and housing stuff and insulation and so in the long term so forth, that in the long term people are going to have of people are going to have more of an with. but there's no

an issue with. but there's no doubt going to impose doubt it was going to impose more costs on householders. so he's got a point. >> think about this? >> what do you think about this? i mean, it has dominated the conference since time conference since this time around. the you just michael around. the to you just michael says it would agree send it all the way to scotland. where are you? >> a great demonstration >> it's a great demonstration of my failure to think my party's failure to think things terms of things through in terms of political capital. if we'd started hs2 at the northern end where it was actually wanted the most and was popular, then by the got down to the time you got down to the leafy chesham amersham leafy chesham and amersham seats, we because of hs2 seats, we lose because of hs2 type arrangements. might type arrangements. you might have , no pun intended, some have had, no pun intended, some momentum behind you to carry on through it . instead, we've through with it. instead, we've taken of the political pain, taken all of the political pain, building it where it was the hardest to build, where the opposition the strongest. opposition was the strongest. >> was that ? >> why? why was that? >> why? why was that? >> sure that some people >> i'm sure that some people were that was were maintaining that was the smartest to on smartest thing to do. on engineering so forth. and engineering and so forth. and there some technical there were some technical reasons. you've got reasons. the thing is you've got to political to be more political about these things. the things. some people the thing is, come at this is, people come out at this conference saying the tory party have too political have been too political with stuff. were more stuff. i'd rather we were more political over stuff like hs2. >> well, suppose i mean, the

>> well, i suppose i mean, the problem was short term problem with hs2 was short term political sort of bargaining, wasn't it? >> you had is >> because what you had is you had these tory mps who had all these tory mps who didn't a high speed didn't want to see a high speed train like i think a high speed train like i think a high speed train the train going through the countryside nice enough countryside is a nice enough thing at. they all thing to look at. they were all complaining. so complaining. that means that so much is tunnelled that the much of it is tunnelled that the costs ballooned. so costs completely ballooned. so it was party leadership it was a party leadership which was on its was unwilling to take on its backbenchers. rose backbenchers. that meant it rose to £100 and now it's to £100 billion. and now it's not going to go from manchester. we're just to going get something of something from the outskirts of london to the outskirts of birmingham. >> the ballooning costs are about things, you've about lots of things, but you've certainly about the certainly got a point about the increased think there increased cost. i do think there is lesson learn from hs1 is a lesson to learn from hs1 there. the first is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it the first is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it can the first is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it can work the first is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it can work andiirst is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it can work and it;t is is a lesson to learn from hs1 ther(it can work and it can be that it can work and it can be even people regard these even though people regard these things as expensive white elephants, real elephants, they can have real impact. that impact. but the second is that people may build without tunnelling may give you tunnelling and they may give you a they're a station to say that they're to going deal help going sweeten the deal and help it. sometimes when it it. but then sometimes when it suits contractors, they'll suits the contractors, they'll close the people close the station and the people right or right now in ashford or ebbsfleet khalife brighton ebbsfleet or khalife brighton know that. so know all about that. so sometimes be sometimes you're right to be sceptical effectively sceptical when you effectively get a local get bought off as a local community people say, community because people say, don't going give

community because people say, don a going give community because people say, don a station going give community because people say, don a station and going give community because people say, don a station and it'sng give community because people say, don a station and it's going give community because people say, don a station and it's going toe you a station and it's going to bnng you a station and it's going to bring lots of economic growth because got to take those they've got to take out those intermediary stations sometimes the stop the train companies stop providing them. >> but then why are they being so slow to act? because in july 2020, the infrastructure and projects authority gave hs2 the highest risk warning possible . highest risk warning possible. so, i mean, this is what almost well, yeah, three years ago. so why is it now taking to obviously we've scrapped the leg up to leeds as well. that bit has gone . so why up to leeds as well. that bit has gone. so why is it taking to this kind of timing now to say. right. actually, you know, things are getting out of control? because what i don't understand about the tories, it's like it's almost like you've just come along last week and like you're sitting up and going, project wildly and like you're sitting up and goirof project wildly and like you're sitting up and goirof control)ject wildly and like you're sitting up and goirof control .ect wildly and like you're sitting up and goirof control . well, wildly and like you're sitting up and goirof control . well, well,' and like you're sitting up and goirof control . well, well, hang out of control. well, well, hang on a second, because you've been overseeing government in this country now for a decade plus you've regular from country now for a decade plus yotofe regular from country now for a decade plus yot of these �*egular from country now for a decade plus yotof these bodies from country now for a decade plus yotof these bodies and from all of these bodies and committees. god knows committees. has been god knows how reviews. why it how many reviews. so why is it only now that people have realised on my watch it's got

out of control ? out of control? >> there is a small and partial excuse which i don't pretend is sufficient, which is the impact of covid on grand infrastructure projects around the world has been but if you put been significant. but if you put that to one side, i think in answer your question, there answer to your question, there are the first are three answers. the first is each time people it, each time people looked at it, they you've they said, ah, you've highlighted the risk. we're going and we're going to control that and we're going to control that and we're going it better. we're going to control that and we're going to it better. we're going to control that and we're going to bring it better. we're going to control that and we're going to bring costs:ter. we're going to control that and we're going to bring costs down 'e're going to control that and we're going to bring costs down and we're to control it. we're going to control it. instead, every review showed the costs were still going up, but that was the mindset with that that was the mindset with which people went into it. the second issue second was that this is an issue on genuine , on which there are genuine, strongly on strongly divided opinions on both political both sides within political parties, between them. parties, not just between them. there strong hs2 advocates there are strong hs2 advocates and critics within and strong hs2 critics within the as well as on the the tory party as well as on the other side . other side. >> well, know what? i'll let >> well, you know what? i'll let you the final word at home. you have the final word at home. what do you make to the goings on, do you on, rishi, as the leader, do you back him? are you still kind of championing did you ever championing him or did you ever championing him or did you ever champion actually and now champion him? actually and now you're you know you're just saying, you know what, back him, but what, i didn't back him, but i have for the good of the have to now for the good of the party, for the greater good of the country. your thoughts on

hs2 when come back, hs2 as well. when i come back, i'll talking about another i'll be talking about another aspect of the conference which has today. aspect of the conference which has health today. aspect of the conference which has health secretary, today. aspect of the conference which has health secretary, wants |y. the health secretary, he wants to wokery in to stop basically the wokery in the wants things like the nhs. he wants things like single sex wards and also he's saying that and making saying that the bma and making the strikes political. now, do you with him there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £201.05, or £306.85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments.

radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry . i'm with you till 7:00 dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. get your views coming in. i'm talking to you about the goings on at the tory party conference in manchester. alex stein and michael walker remain a long side. me lots to get into tonight. i'll bring in some of your conversations . lots of you your conversations. lots of you getting in touch. i have to say you're quite divided and some strong words coming through the inbox. i have to say you're strong words coming through the making me blush. anyway look, i want to move on. we've just discussed rishi at the top of the programme, and i want to move because of the other move on because one of the other key speeches today came key major speeches today came

from secretary steve from the health secretary steve barclay. a listen in. barclay. let's have a listen in. >> the militant bma leadership who strikes have resulted in countless cancelled appointments and pose a serious threat to the nhs recovery from the pandemic . nhs recovery from the pandemic. look, their consultant and junior doctors committee are relentlessly demanding massive pay relentlessly demanding massive pay rises, even if that means is diverting resources from patients . and despite junior patients. and despite junior doctors having already received a pay doctors having already received a pay rise of up to 10.3% >> i want to pick up with you. so much has been picked up on about lots of nhs worker and all the rest of it and we'll move on to that bit in a second. but specifically when it comes to the strikes and the bmas and the bma and who's to blame and all the of it, what do you make the rest of it, what do you make some stuff he said today? some of the stuff he said today? >> well, think there's a real >> well, i think there's a real attempt conservative attempt by the conservative party paint nhs workforce attempt by the conservative paiav paint nhs workforce attempt by the conservative paia bunch nt nhs workforce attempt by the conservative paia bunch of nhs workforce attempt by the conservative paia bunch of radicals, workforce attempt by the conservative paia bunch of radicals, andzforce as a bunch of radicals, and i just don't buy it. >> you know, it's just workforce or the union, the bma. well,

well, union are well, the point is the union are being by the being supported by the workforce, the votes being supported by the w0|these , the votes being supported by the w0|these strikes the votes for these strikes are ovennhelming. and they are ovennhelming. ming and they are by same people have been by the same people who have been consultants 20 consultants for the past 20 years. be by years. it's going to be led by guidance the union. years. it's going to be led by gui they're the union. years. it's going to be led by gui they're right.e union. >> they're right. >> they're right. >> well, because every >> well, no, because every time they strike, have to they go on strike, they have to have a ballot across the workforce. we actually have workforce. and we actually have quite in this quite strict union laws in this country. you at least country. so you need at least 50% people to vote. need 50% of people to vote. you need at the total at least 40% of the total workforce have voted go workforce to have voted to go on strike. so this isn't the case of just sort of a minority leader the rest the leader ing the rest of the workforce, the workforce are in favour strikes so favour of these strikes and so you've explanations, you've got two explanations, one which is that suddenly all doctors become doctors have become radical leftists bring leftists who just want to bring down government the down the government or the other one, i think little one, which i think is a little bit more plausible, is that these normal, these are very normal, professional people. but you professional people. but if you cut people's wages by 17% over a 13 are 13 year period, then you are going some kind of going to get some kind of backlash. how you backlash. now, how would you end these now? know people these strikes now? i know people say they've asked say this 35% they've asked for is dramatic. clearly, is very dramatic. now, clearly, that i think that is right. but it i think you probably end them you could probably end them tomorrow government tomorrow if the government said we restore your pay over a we will restore your pay over a five period, right? yes, we five year period, right? yes, we have your since we five year period, right? yes, we havithat your since we

five year period, right? yes, we havithat your upset.:e we five year period, right? yes, we havithat your upset. we we five year period, right? yes, we havithat your upset. we will,ne see that you're upset. we will, over five year period, restore over a five year period, restore your where it was in your pay to where it was in 2010. would 2010. i'm sure they would go back work. back to work. >> i was just about to >> well, i was just about to respond, but i'm going to bring you instead. you in instead. >> know, i think >> alex, you know, i think there's michael there's a lot of michael makes his very the first his case very well, the first being the strategic concession his case very well, the first bein 35%> strategic concession his case very well, the first bein 35%> strean|ic concession his case very well, the first bein 35%> strean unreasonable that 35% was an unreasonable demand , which true. demand, which is true. >> but let's remember the >> and but let's remember the timing. it became even more unreasonable as others around them in the public sector paid less than doctors settled for lower rises. that's when it became so ultra that the bma was demanding what they were demanding what they were demanding . and i think to what demanding. and i think to what michael says about voting turnout is unarguable. michael says about voting turnout is unarguable . you're turnout is unarguable. you're correct that that they've turned out in the numbers that they have and in the percentages that they but the health they have. but the health secretary , too, that secretary is right, too, that the bma has become a great deal more hard line. and whereas once it was a much more kind of pragmatic of the industry, pragmatic voice of the industry, there are, it seems to me , some there are, it seems to me, some at in that now at least involved in that now who see as their full time who see it as their full time job be agitators. if you job to be agitators. and if you don't like the point in principle, consider in principle, i'll consider in

practise they practise that they said they were to with were more willing to talk with the government than the government in scotland than they government in they were with the government in westminster because they were more in tune their values, more in tune with their values, not actually about what they were negotiating, because were negotiating, but because they government in they preferred the government in north of the border. and when that it's good that happens, it's a good demonstration. just demonstration. they're not just negotiating their members. >> you're absolutely right. how would the would you respond to that? the scotland thing, as well? >> mean, think the issue >> i mean, i think the issue here what has changed, right. >> i mean, i think the issue he|you're1at has changed, right. >> i mean, i think the issue he|you're saying changed, right. >> i mean, i think the issue he|you're saying that|ged, right. >> i mean, i think the issue he|you're saying that the, right. so you're saying that the doctors used to be pragmatic. now quite militant. now now they're quite militant. now the go into the demographics that go into medicine right. the demographics that go into medsame right. the demographics that go into medsame when right. the demographics that go into medsame when we're ht. the same people when we're talking consultants, talking about consultants, because older, because they'll mainly be older, they've workforce they've been in the workforce for time. so if for a very long time. so if these doctors been these doctors have been radicalised, not by left radicalised, it's not by left wing ideology , it's by 13 years wing ideology, it's by 13 years of tory government. >> i mean interrupt. >> i didn't mean to interrupt. i have answer on your have a specific answer on your question believing question because i believing it wasn't and you're wasn't rhetorical and you're asking changed? asking what's changed? i think in the age at in part the answer is the age at which think themselves which people think themselves worthy to go take full worthy to go in and take full representative positions within the once upon a time it was the bma. once upon a time it was seen become a seen that you would become a senior consultant and a super 50 something surgeon or something leading surgeon or whatever. now there are people

who barely get their certificate before they think, right, i'm going become a full agitator. >> think the problem is >> but i think the problem is they're the they're you're falling into the same see the same trap, which is to see the union action as a result of decisions the decisions made by the leadership, fact, leadership, when in fact, there's mandate across there's a huge mandate across there's a huge mandate across the workforce. so you do have to answer question, has answer the question, what has changed? workforce answer the question, what has changed strikes workforce answer the question, what has changed strikes when workforce answer the question, what has changed strikes when work'didn't backing strikes when they didn't used it's very used to? because it's very, very rare junior and rare for junior doctors and consultants on at consultants to go on strike at the it is it the same time. it was. is it that suddenly there is this this new radical demographic that have degrees have all got medical degrees and are senior doctors, or is it are now senior doctors, or is it that of very that a group of very professional, hard professional, loyal, hard working come to the working people have come to the end of their tether when it comes years of tory government? >> so it's interesting. i think that of reasons the that one of the reasons the government trying to government is sensibly trying to make distinction that make the distinction that michael is that michael denies is that any government that's seen as going to with nhs will have to war with the nhs will have been its own death been signing its own death warrant will find nobody warrant and will find nobody willing to treat it in the environment that i that i point to . if having these to. so if you're having these kind of disputes with the medical profession , you are not medical profession, you are not just, my view, right anyway just, in my view, right anyway to this, but it's to point to this, but it's sensible to peel away

sensible to seek to peel away the more extreme end of the union representing people in that from the that discussion from the workforce a whole, because workforce as a whole, because there's wellspring there's a great wellspring of support about our support and positivity about our health service . there is one health service. there is one thing that health secretary thing that the health secretary could think would help could do that i think would help us to us as a country, which is to seek, examine what the seek, seek to examine what the nhs does well and does badly, because any major because like any major institution , does some things institution, does some things well, some things badly well, it does some things badly . trouble we treat it so . the trouble is we treat it so much the moment much like a cult at the moment in we are all members. by in which we are all members. by the much easier to the way, it's so much easier to say much like a cult, that we don't get any meaningful conversation results. conversation about results. >> other >> let's talk about the other aspects steve barclay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay steve barclay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay as steve barclay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay as well. ive barclay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay as well. is barclay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay as well. i think lay >> let's talk about the other aspectssay as well. i think i've had to say as well. i think i've got clip some of this too, i got a clip some of this too, i know as conservatives , we know know as conservatives, we know what woman is and i know the what a woman is and i know the vast majority and the vast majority of nhs staff and patients do too. >> that is why i ordered a reversal of unacceptable changes to the nhs website that erased references to women for conditions such as cervical cancen conditions such as cervical cancer. and that is why today i

am going further by announcing that we will change the nhs constitution following a consultation later this year to make sure we respect the privacy, dignity and safety of all patients . let's recognise all patients. let's recognise the importance of different biological needs and protect the rights of women. what did you make of that? >> michael i, i have i'm a bit exasperate by it, i suppose. >> and the reason i say that is because we've got 7 million people on waiting lists for nhs care. you've got people waiting for year for a hip replacement for a year for a hip replacement and we a health secretary and we have a health secretary standing up and getting an applause out sort applause line out of sort of shifting deckchairs it shifting the deckchairs when it comes what patient goes to comes to what patient goes to what don't actually what ward now i don't actually personally what ward now i don't actually personfeelings trans strong feelings about trans people on on hospital wards. i think it's up hospital think it's up to hospital management. i can see how there are sort of potentially conflicting rights here. but the idea should be sort of conflicting rights here. but the idpiece should be sort of conflicting rights here. but the idpiece of should be sort of conflicting rights here. but the idpiece of political.d be sort of conflicting rights here. but the idpiece of political footballt of a piece of political football just nonsense me. this just seems nonsense to me. this is of thing should is the kind of thing that should be managers in be decided by nhs managers in response , in conversation with

response, in conversation with experts and yes, maybe some people in the health department. theidea people in the health department. the idea that this should be a sort of manifesto issue, a general election issue, when we've on we've got 7 million people on waiting to waiting lists, you've got to remember the of trans remember the number of trans people very, very small. so people is very, very small. so essentially saying essentially what you're saying to no, that's to someone is, no, that's defined the last census. defined in the last census. >> as that life >> and as we know, that life will massive moved on from will have massive moved on from there. and there some there. and there was some contention the contention about how the question in question was asked in that census anyway. >> well, it's still going to be very small, isn't it? so the chances of going into hospital very small, isn't it? so the charbeing' going into hospital very small, isn't it? so the charbeing' going ia:o hospital very small, isn't it? so the charbeing' going ia trans pital very small, isn't it? so the charbeing' going ia trans person and being next to a trans person is i can. is relatively low. now, i can. sorry, sorry. >> the trouble with michael's position guidance position is that the guidance that the nhs has, this is unlike where were people where you were saying people were railing against policies that didn't exist. was that didn't exist. this was current nhs guidelines that said people, transgender people could be placed on single sex wards on the basis of the gender with which they identified rather than the gender that they actually so was the actually were. so that was the status the trouble is status quo. and the trouble is that position had been reached by having the kinds by nhs managers having the kinds of conversations with experts and consultants, groups. and so

forth you were suggesting forth that you were suggesting they this the they had. so for me, this is the kind thing where a political kind of thing where a political leadership and leadership is required and the elected says in the end, elected person says in the end, yeah, all right, all very elected person says in the end, yeah,but right, all very elected person says in the end, yeah,but i'm|t, all very elected person says in the end, yeah,but i'm going all very elected person says in the end, yeah,but i'm going to all very elected person says in the end, yeah,but i'm going to tell'ery elected person says in the end, yeah,but i'm going to tell you nice, but i'm going to tell you how it's going to be. >> but he's the health secretary, so i don't secretary, right? so i don't think a health think intervention from a health secretary but secretary is unwarranted. but this conference this is a conference speech, right? is key right? this is this is your key message to the party faithful and and key and the country. and his key message party faithful message to the party faithful and the country is that this very which doesn't very small issue, which doesn't affect is now affect many people, is now the centrepiece the tory when it centrepiece of the tory when it comes to the nhs. >> affects lot. mean, >> it affects a lot. i mean, you're saying a small issue you're saying it's a small issue that doesn't affect many people, many particular many women in particular watching be watching this will really be yelling screens saying yelling at their screens saying a who just wakes up one day a man who just wakes up one day sticks his pronoun badge on and a skirt on and says, today i identify as shirley , so identify as shirley, so therefore i am going into the same ward as you, the same this or the same that and the other. thatis or the same that and the other. that is a concern for women. that is a big concern for women. they will say that we've worked very get access to very hard to get access to protected spaces and single—sex spaces and the of it. spaces and all the rest of it. so they will really be pushing back, that you,

back, saying that against you, saying a tiny issue saying it's a tiny issue affecting amount of people. >> there's two issues >> well, there's two issues here. one distinction that i here. so one distinction that i think unhelpful that here. so one distinction that i think barclaynhelpful that here. so one distinction that i think barclay didn'tul that here. so one distinction that i think barclay didn'tul thaiis, steve barclay didn't make is, is there's question of there's this question of self—id. does someone just self—id. does someone who just says, a woman get says, i identify as a woman get to a on female ward, to stay on a on a female ward, but he's saying all trans people altogether so you can have someone who's lived half their life everyone life as a woman who everyone recognises, who's recognises, as a woman who's legally as a woman, legally identified as a woman, and from those and they're banned from those wards. i think that's one issue there. thing i do there. the other thing i do think we need to remember is that some evidence that we do have some evidence about are about how many people are concerned in concerned about this in hospitals because there have been information been freedom of information requests has requests to hospitals to say has any woman was a woman, any woman who was born a woman, complained trans women on complained about trans women on their ward zero zero. so that's what i mean when i say this seems to a problem which has seems to be a problem which has been out proportion for been blown out of proportion for political purposes can't be zero. >> it must be about the reporting process. in that case, i accept it's going can be very low. right. but given that people talked about their people have talked about their experiences online so forth, experiences online and so forth, that about how nhs that must be about how the nhs logs than logs complaints rather than about actually zero about their actually being zero complaints. to talk

complaints. but i wanted to talk about something different the about something different to the conversation were conversation you two were having, think does having, because i think it does matter many make it matter to many people. make it very brief when you think about only cervical only women can get cervical cancen cancer, but cervical cancer guidance the nhs had removed guidance in the nhs had removed any reference women fear any reference to women for fear of offending men who are pretending to be women. >> there you go again. you >> well, there you go again. you know how the show works. by now, the final word goes over to you on topic. different on this topic. different opinions on the panel. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get a of when i come get a hold of me when i come back, be bringing back, i'll be bringing in some of i also of your comments. and i also want talk about michael want to talk about michael gove and about and specifically about housebuilding in this country. are we building enough or not? you tell

news radio show. >> hi there, i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me , pr tonight. alongside me, pr consultant alex dean and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker. and in stockport has been in touch saying please can you say thank you to your guests? they're both putting fonnard differing views, conceding when a good point is

raised on opposite side. raised on the opposite side. it's healthy, informative conversation options. there you go. agree says go. couldn't agree more, says and we want. and that's what we want. i actually think in society, we actually think in society, if we had more respectful debate respect full disagreement the country perhaps might end up in a slightly better place than it has been for quite some time. keep your thoughts coming in. let me just see what some of you keep your thoughts coming in. let saying.. see what some of you keep your thoughts coming in. let saying. darren1at some of you keep your thoughts coming in. let saying. darren says, me of you keep your thoughts coming in. let saying. darren says, i've)f you are saying. darren says, i've been a lifelong tory voter, but my loyalty has been fatally challenged . and now he talks challenged. and now he talks about challenges in a few different areas. actually and he says he's struggling now to justify incompetence and the outcome remaining. the same. change the people he says. but surely the public will make the same decision again next year. liz are you saying are you seriously telling me, michael, that there is no divide over net zero? a lot of people disagreeing with that point that you made there as well? well, eileen said i'd vote for rishi purely because the alternative, i.e. starmer , is very, very i.e. starmer, is very, very scary for this country. she

scary for this country. and she says and that is coming from a person that's voted labour for most my life. hs2 divided most of my life. hs2 divided opinions on that one. leon says the reason it was started in the south was due to the cost of land. he says northern land is so much cheaper that they left the cheaper part until the end to try and insulate themselves against inflationary costs. that's liam's perspective of ross says the money spent on hs2 should have been spent updating the existing networks and try and get people onto the trains that we currently have. good luck with that when they're running half the time anyway. michael gove let's talk about him. he took to the stage today. let's have a listen . let's have a listen. >> we need to ensure that every family, every family has a safe, decent, warm home. we need to ensure that many more young people can have a home of their own. and we're on track to deliver a million new homes in this parliament. but we need many more. and our long term

plan for housing will deliver the attractive, affordable new homes that we need. we'll build in the hearts of towns and cities and on brownfield land because that cuts commuting times. it helps revitalise high streets and it protects the green belt . we will ensure that green belt. we will ensure that our new homes are energy efficient. zero carbon ready and built to the highest aesthetic standards . standards. >> alex you like what you hear ? >> alex you like what you hear? >> alex you like what you hear? >> i like a lot of it. the trouble is that you say that at national level, then you get to local and permission for local level and permission for these refused . and you these things is refused. and you know, as creative as know, you can be as creative as you developer. and you you like as a developer. and you know, you put in your plans for the that the brownfield site that government want government tells you they want you to build on and least you to build on and not least because who in theory because people who say in theory that somewhere to that they want somewhere to be bought because they bought, not least because they want their children or grandchildren to buy grandchildren to be able to buy a house, always not in a house, always say, no, not in my yard . so there's my back yard. so there's a cultural problem there . whatever cultural problem there. whatever the secretary state says , the secretary of state says, then just and i'm a good tory, but i can't help look at the maths and say that if we've said

we're going to build a 300,000 homes a year is where we need to be. a million in a parliament isn't enough . there's bit isn't enough. so there's a bit of a problem on the maths. and the and this is the other trouble, and this is not it's been not partisan because it's been true labour party and the true of the labour party and the tories, is that and every tories, is that each and every year says we need year government says we need 300,000 in this 300,000 new homes in this country every they country each and every year they fall next year fall short and the next year they say we need new they say we need 300,000 new homes there is homes in this country. there is a basic problem. if a there's a basic problem. if you do what you needed to you didn't do what you needed to do last year, you to grow you didn't do what you needed to do letargets you to grow you didn't do what you needed to do letargets youit to grow you didn't do what you needed to do letargets you it seems grow you didn't do what you needed to do letargets you it seems wen your targets and it seems we never do it. >> michael yeah, to say, >> michael yeah, i have to say, i actually sorry for i actually feel sorry for michael gove. >> as you say, he's sort of standing front of conference >> as you say, he's sort of stanspeakingont of conference >> as you say, he's sort of stan speaking to: of conference >> as you say, he's sort of stanspeaking to the conference >> as you say, he's sort of stanspeaking to the nation nce >> as you say, he's sort of stanspeaking to the nation and and speaking to the nation and bragging his bragging about having missed his targets. been said targets. they've been said or they want to they have said they want to build homes, homes they have said they want to b|year, homes, homes they have said they want to b|year, sorry. homes, homes they have said they want to b|year, sorry. clearlys, homes they have said they want to b|year, sorry. clearly they're homes a year, sorry. clearly they're only 200,000. only managing 200,000. and actually, michael gove was, i think cabinet think the current cabinet minister who went in with the best ideas he had to two big policies, which was sort of the centrepiece of his idea when he went into that department. one was to make it was planning reform to make it easier harder to easier to build and harder to block nimbys and two block housing by nimbys and two renters. to make it more

renters. reform to make it more stable. if you are in the private rental sector like myself. then you wouldn't myself. so then you wouldn't have risk being kicked have the risk of being kicked out every 12 months because you'd term tenancy. you'd have a long term tenancy. they were both good policies, both destroyed both completely destroyed and blocked backbenchers . so blocked by his backbenchers. so now got to stand up in now he's got to stand up in front of the conference and basically nothing , brag the basically say nothing, brag the brag that he's brag about the fact that he's missing his own targets. i mean, it's than his his it's even worse than his his policies blocked he policies got blocked because he actually policy actually had to make policy worse already was worse than it already was because the case that because it was the case that there a legal target for there was a legal target for 300,000 homes it wasn't 300,000 homes a year. it wasn't met, he scrapped that the met, but he scrapped that on the whim nimby backbenchers. whim of nimby backbenchers. so he someone , i think, did he is someone, i think, who did go that with go into that role with relatively good intentions and has been completely thwarted by relatively good intentions and hasparty'sompletely thwarted by relatively good intentions and hasparty's backbenchers'arted by relatively good intentions and hasparty's backbenchers .rted by his party's backbenchers. >> a bit that i like >> there is a bit that i like that under recognised. you that gets under recognised. you know, guy know, he's brought in a guy called be called nick boys—smith to be adviser this create adviser in this space, create streets campaign for gentle streets the campaign for gentle density and basically city centres look a bit more centres that look a bit more like you know, or like, you know, amsterdam or paris with 3 or 4 storey nice townhouses rather than the sprawl that we've encouraged with our or indeed high rises , with our or indeed high rises, massive high that we've massive high rises that we've built, of which bad

built, both of which are bad actually for city centres actually for, for city centres and urban development . that and for urban development. that stuff may hindsight's very interesting. people may look back and say the tories missed this, that or the in this, that or the other in government, but that was government, but that policy was right lasting impact right and had a lasting impact and hope see of it. and i hope we see more of it. >> you've got to build and i hope we see more of it. >> though.ve got to build and i hope we see more of it. >> though. is got to build and i hope we see more of it. >> though. i mean, build and i hope we see more of it. >> though. i mean, that's a them though. i mean, that's a preference, isn't it? i don't think they've actually managed to of them are there any >> many of them are there any nimbys because you do nimbys out there? because you do get blame for quite get the blame nimbys for quite a lot. are someone that's lot. if you are someone that's nodding yeah, nodding along and yeah, we definitely homes while definitely need more homes while simultaneously but simultaneously saying yeah, but not street. not at the end of my street. thank much. i'm thank you very much. i'm fascinated if not at the fascinated to hear if not at the end of your street, then where? and do you think actually if everyone that nimby attitude everyone has that nimby attitude we ever will close to where everyone has that nimby attitude we need will close to where everyone has that nimby attitude we need tol close to where everyone has that nimby attitude we need to be? close to where everyone has that nimby attitude we need to be? i'm se to where everyone has that nimby attitude we need to be? i'm interestede everyone has that nimby attitude we need to be? i'm interested on your thoughts on that one after the break. the big one, suella braverman. she has been speaking out. it won't surprise out. of course it won't surprise you to know she's been absolutely battered for some of the that she says. we'll the stuff that she says. we'll look into it and get a response

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in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with your tool seven. alex michael walker remain alongside me. one of my viewers and i must say i've just scrolled on and i've lost your name. but you'll know who you are. you said, michelle, it's time for democracy respected democracy to be respected in this country. to make this country. if we want to make big you're telling me big changes. you're telling me it go the people via it needs to go to the people via referendum decide ? cor referendum to decide? cor blimey, do you think we'd get anything done if every major decision went to the public? what about how divided we would all become? do you remember? we never from the never really recovered from the division we. division of brexit, have we. anyway you tell me your thoughts on that. but of course the big speech today was suella braverman. she had lots to say. let's straight into it. let's get straight into it. >> the wind of change, change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared paired to the hurricane that is coming . let

paired to the hurricane that is coming. let me paired to the hurricane that is coming . let me tell you, our coming. let me tell you, our country has become enmeshed in a dense net of international rules that were designed for another era , and it is labour that turbo era, and it is labour that turbo charged. there impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. i'm surprised they didn't call it the criminal rights . act it the criminal rights. act there's another reason i think we will win the next election . we will win the next election. you see, we have a secret weapon . well, not that secret . . well, not that secret. everyone in this hall knows it . everyone in this hall knows it. i think everyone who'll be at labour conference knows it too. and our friends in the media definitely know it . our secret definitely know it. our secret weapon is sir keir starmer . weapon is sir keir starmer. >> now tell you she. i've got some other clips, but for time reasons, i'm just going to bring you guys in instead, because she also was saying stuff about

people in the labour party have what she's calling luxury what she's almost calling luxury beliefs. they don't need to worry much about people worry so much about people coming and taking their jobs coming in and taking their jobs because likely to because they're more likely to employ those to mow their because they're more likely to emplo and )se to mow their because they're more likely to emplo and all to mow their because they're more likely to emplo and all the to mow their because they're more likely to emplo and all the resto mow their because they're more likely to emplo and all the rest ofnow their because they're more likely to emplo and all the rest of it.v their lawns and all the rest of it. i can tell you i've got a huge round of applause. her speech, as what did you as we just heard. what did you make it? make to it? >> so that point about luxury beliefs, phrased different >> so that point about luxury beliefhas phrased different >> so that point about luxury beliefhas beened different >> so that point about luxury beliefhas beene(mainstay>nt >> so that point about luxury beliefhas beene(mainstay of our ways, has been a mainstay of our debate in this country some debate in this country for some time. wealthy, time. people who are so wealthy, they don't need to worry about tax is a very good tax rises is a very good example. so people lots example. so people have got lots of investments and savings and can live can afford basically to live almost working care can afford basically to live alnless working care can afford basically to live alnless about. working care can afford basically to live alnless about. there's; care can afford basically to live alnless about. there's; less far less about. there's far less sensitive rates of sensitive to rising rates of tax on than others . on working people than others. so i think that's a long standing and there's a lot standing one. and there's a lot of truth to it. but i thought the interesting the the interesting thing from the clip played was the clip that you played was the keir stuff. i think keir starmer stuff. i think there's some to go on that there's some way to go on that actually define the actually to define the conservative party's position vis starmer, because on vis a vis starmer, because on one hand, i don't think he's a good politician i don't good politician and i don't think is on him think the country is sold on him at other hand, at all. but on the other hand, i think it's unambiguous that he's a better his a magnitude better than his predecessor. i just one of

predecessor. and i just one of the big advantages the conservative the conservative party had at the last election jeremy corbyn. last election was jeremy corbyn. and that's a factor that's now whatever he whatever you think of him, he was disaster for was an electoral disaster for the labour party. so if the conservative party is going to successfully conservative party is going to successfufaults in keir or keir apparent faults in keir or keir starmer, we've got get on starmer, we've got to get on with i think there's >> michael i think there's a couple of problems with the luxury i luxury belief issue, so i suppose that sort suppose one is that it's sort of imposing these views on the labour doesn't labour party that it doesn't actually there are actually hold. yes, there are some want to some academics who want to aboush some academics who want to abolish prisons and abolish borders, but the labour leadership, no one in the shadow cabinet wants to do that right? it's actually a very moderate labour party who is standing to be the other problem be elected. the other problem i think that we've think with it is that we've we've a conservative party we've had a conservative party that really be standing we've had a conservative party thetheir.ly be standing we've had a conservative party thetheir record. be standing we've had a conservative party thetheir record. they'veanding we've had a conservative party thetheir record. they've been] we've had a conservative party thetheir record. they've been in on their record. they've been in power but they power for 13 years, but they can't what's happened can't because what's happened over years, we've had over those 13 years, we've had the of the longest period of wage stagnation in history. now, for me, is thinking me, a luxury belief is thinking that other than that is that anything other than that is the key issue facing this country. you've people country. if you've got people who waiting a year for a hip who are waiting a year for a hip replacement, who are waiting a year for a hip replacemenihaven't alone people who haven't had let alone haven't rise for 13 haven't had a wage rise for 13 years, had their wage years, they've had their wage cut over the past 13 years, not

caring about and thinking cut over the past 13 years, not caringissues and thinking cut over the past 13 years, not caringissues are and thinking cut over the past 13 years, not caringissues are and important these issues are more important that luxury belief. that for me is a luxury belief. yeah, it's not. >> i've got to just get it off my chest. everyone complains >> i've got to just get it off my cil st. everyone complains >> i've got to just get it off my cil go everyone complains >> i've got to just get it off my cil go oneryone complains >> i've got to just get it off my cil go oneryonlittlelplains >> i've got to just get it off my cil go oneryonlittle rant,s when i go on this little rant, but it really annoys me everyone criticising the tories to criticising or the tories are to blame nhs waiting blame for all this nhs waiting list everyone at home blame for all this nhs waiting list cheered tryone at home blame for all this nhs waiting list cheered the|e at home blame for all this nhs waiting list cheered the fact at home blame for all this nhs waiting list cheered the fact that1ome blame for all this nhs waiting list cheered the fact that thee and cheered the fact that the nhs basically became, for lots intents purposes, covid only intents and purposes, covid only service. lots of people cheered that now sit there. that that on, but now sit there. that is arguing about waiting lists. >> and that's one of the reasons our waiting lists went up. so much. the let's be much. but the other let's be clear, other is the strikes clear, the other is the strikes that have their are that people have got their are entitled their entitled to withdraw their laboun entitled to withdraw their labour, pretend labour, but we can't pretend they haven't increased waiting lists. hurricane lists. let's ask this hurricane thing clip thing because she that clip i just she's calling just played then she's calling migration like hurricane. just played then she's calling migshe's like hurricane. just played then she's calling migshe's been hurricane. just played then she's calling migshe's been criticised|e. just played then she's calling migshe's been criticised for >> she's been criticised for that. are what's that. people are saying what's the the the matter with her? with the language and the rest of it? language and all the rest of it? but you now there's but i can tell you now there's a lot support for that kind of language. >> well, of course, between over two years we'll have had more than people than a million people net migration this migration coming into this country. sort of migration coming into this couimore sort of migration coming into this couimore flowery sort of migration coming into this couimore flowery rhetoricyf migration coming into this couimore flowery rhetoric at use more flowery rhetoric at that when 2 that point, when is it 2 million? million? so it seems million? 3 million? so it seems to me that she's perfectly entitled i might

entitled and i might not use that but she's that phrase myself, but she's perfectly it. perfectly entitled to use it. >> dangerous, that kind >> is it dangerous, that kind of i rhetoric, whatever i mean, rhetoric, whatever you want it, that is it want to call it, is that is it dangerous or not? >> i'm not sure it's particularly accurate, sort of explanation we've been explanation of what we've been seeing the couple of years. >> yes, there are more people who move than than who want to move now than than before. because of before. that's partly because of awareness. have awareness. more people have smartphones sub—saharan smartphones in in sub—saharan africa. they see what life africa. they can see what life is like in europe and think maybe they want a part of that. perfectly reasonable. i'd probably do the same probably want to do the same if i sub—saharan you i was in sub—saharan and you wouldn't pretend to be seeking asylum or a refugee if you were actually economic migrant? actually an economic migrant? well, the issue what we're talking many talking about here is that many people britain people who are coming to britain or crossing or most people crossing the channel or most people crossing the channel, actually have channel, we don't actually have many coming channel, we don't actually have manyand coming channel, we don't actually have manyand if coming channel, we don't actually have manyand if they coming channel, we don't actually have manyand if they do, coming channel, we don't actually have manyand if they do, they're coming here. and if they do, they're probably from sudan or ethiopia, countries where nearly everyone leaving asylum leaving is actually an asylum seeken go seeker. so i suppose to go back to original terms of to my original point in terms of we where they're from we don't know where they're from because they've tossed their because they've tossed all their passports away and tell themselves, tiktok, themselves, well, if tiktok, i mean would a bit of mean i would say that's a bit of a misleading explanation a misleading sort of explanation as seeing on the as to what we're seeing on the border. well, because we have the data, most people are from iran, afghanistan, these countries where we recognise

there a deal there is a great deal of political repression, often because we intervened in catastrophic because we intervened in cat.butnphic what say. >> but that's what they say. they're at least that's they're from at least that's that's you're making. that's the point you're making. the they see the smartphone in which they see the life in the better quality of life in the better quality of life in the them to the west also tells them how to pull over the eyes of pull the wool over the eyes of those assessing them. >> i mean, if you're >> well, i mean, if you're saying you're from iran, mean, saying you're from iran, i mean, there's so many of these countries in the middle east that that it that we have bombed that it would be difficult to of would be difficult to sort of pretend that you were from a from somewhere else. >> you're going a claim >> you're going to have a claim wherever you're i suppose wherever you're from. i suppose the calling it a the issue with calling it a hurricane, have net hurricane, why have we had net migration, so high? migration, which is so high? we've people we've had 300,000 people come here our here to study at our universities. had 200,000 here to study at our universwho've had 200,000 here to study at our universwho've been|ad 200,000 here to study at our universwho've been offered ,000 people who've been offered a job. know, is all quite job. you know, this is all quite normal , job. you know, this is all quite normal, right? this is what's this what's keeping our this is what's keeping our universities this is universities afloat. this is subsidising students to subsidising british students to call hurricane makes it call it a hurricane makes it seem like a natural disaster when actually there's been a decision policy makers, decision made by policy makers, which is having this many people come the country is actually come to the country is actually very number come to the country is actually ve reasons. number come to the country is actually ve reasons. so number come to the country is actually ve reasons. so it number come to the country is actually ve reasons. so it seems number of reasons. so it seems dishonest make it seem dishonest then to make it seem like a weather event and there's going be some going to have to be some unpicking position if unpicking of that position if the deal is to going the india trade deal is to going get because very

the india trade deal is to going get the because very the india trade deal is to going get the indians:ause very the india trade deal is to going get the indians:ausnleastvery the india trade deal is to going get the indians:ausn least want clear the indians not least want more available to their more visas available to their workforce and to their students. >> whatever you think about our university basically university system basically being dependent on foreign students as it is, the students now as it is, the nofion students now as it is, the notion that we've somewhere notion that we've got somewhere between and a sixth of between the fifth and a sixth of the numbers of students, the numbers of indian students, of students from india, of chinese students from india, democrat , basic english, fluent, democrat, basic english, fluent, i'd rather, frankly, have more students from india . students from india. >> well, there you go. that is a conversation that will on conversation that will rumble on and on. lots of you guys getting in touch. ruth says she's a proud nimby. she don't want all these houses near hers. she says, why ? because it's all well says, why? because it's all well and good building the houses ? and good building the houses? she but what about the she asks. but what about the infrastructure? what do all these do ? the these people do? the infrastructure, says, is infrastructure, she says, is lacking. look, i'll tell you what's flies what's lacking. time flies when you're fun. michael, you're having fun. michael, alex, thank you very much . alex, thank you very much. company thank you at home. don't go anywhere. nigel farage. up next. hello again. next. nana. hello again. >> i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news weather bulletin . we have some pretty bulletin. we have some pretty wet weather to across wet weather to come across northern parts through the next 24 further south it

24 hours. but further south it is drier picture and that's is a drier picture and that's because of this area of high pressure. that's going to build and a quieter spell as and lead to a quieter spell as we through rest the we go through the rest of the week. for southern areas further north packed isobars north and tightly packed isobars show it's blustery. and we show that it's blustery. and we have weather that's have a weather system that's to going through going push in as we go through tonight and into wednesday. some heavy affecting heavy rain affecting particularly western parts of scotland through the next 24 hours or so. but even some of that spreading further eastwards. are going to see eastwards. we are going to see increasing cloud increasing amounts of cloud across and across parts of england and wales. east, where we wales. but in the east, where we have clear skies, rural have some clear skies, rural spots dip into spots could just about dip into single figures as we go through wednesday. a north south wednesday. then a north south split, cloudy and wet split, quite cloudy and wet across northern areas, across many northern areas, particularly west and south across many northern areas, particulipartsest and south across many northern areas, particuliparts of. and south across many northern areas, particuliparts of scotlandh across many northern areas, particuliparts of scotland . here, western parts of scotland. here, rainfall totals could build up . rainfall totals could build up. there could a little bit of there could be a little bit of localised flooding also some localised flooding and also some disruption to travel further north across scotland. it's going showery day and going to be a showery day and also a few showers across parts of wales, but also of england and wales, but also some bright, sunny spells and with little bit lighter with winds, a little bit lighter than recently. than they have been recently. and temperatures to and temperatures getting to highs it should highs around 1920, it should feel warm as we go feel relatively warm as we go through thursday. then staying

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south >> good evening. we're live here in manchester for it. today was the big speech of suella braverman, the home secretary. i'll be joined tonight by sir iain smith, nadhim zahawi iain duncan smith, nadhim zahawi i'm to ask will any i'm going to ask will any actions really come from that speech today? and the other big question is, is there a message that goes out to the country here from manchester? if there is, i have no idea what it is, but doubt, sir ian and the but no doubt, sir ian and the team can make me make me aware of because can't out of it because i can't work out what it is. first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .