it's 3 pm. is patrick christys this is gb news. now, rishi has just been talking, hasn't seen a seismic moment in british political history, but is he a winner or a loser for you? that's what i want to know. get the emails coming in. in other news, i'll be talking this news, i'll be talking about this . yes, tory mps, the verdict. the is in. it a good the verdict is in. was it a good conference do they back conference overall? do they back suella? a lot of people saying her too when suella? a lot of people saying her was too when suella? a lot of people saying her was talking too when suella? a lot of people saying her was talking about when suella? a lot of people saying her was talking about the when she was talking about the migrant crisis. she actually migrant crisis. if she actually just being realistic this is the one here for you as well that we're going to be getting stuck right into. you actually right into. would you actually see, yourself see, nick, shoplifters yourself ? is that safe to do? apparently, there are calls for you to do it. does that not seem like dereliction of duty like a dereliction of duty from the police, possibly dangerous if ask me. and a final one if you ask me. and a final one has king charles came in to prince andrew about what where he can live? is he going to remain at royal lodge in windsor

for the rest of his days or let it fall into disrepair and eventually end up somewhere like slough? patrick christys gb news is . windsor is not that far from is. windsor is not that far from slough, actually . anyway. all slough, actually. anyway. all right, get your emails coming in. gb views and gb news.com rishi sunak speech there . was it rishi sunak speech there. was it a a loser there for a winner or a loser there for you? gb views our gb news.com. but right now as your headlines i >> good afternoon. it's 3:01 i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. the prime minister has confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. speaking after weeks of speculation, rishi sunak told the conservative party conference in manchester that he's ready to make tough decisions for the country . he's defended the move, country. he's defended the move, saying the money will be better spent developing projects in the north and the midlands. hs2 will still run to euston in central

london, but current management will no longer be responsible for the site. >> we'll reinvest most every single penny. £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. this means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation . across our nation. >> the prime minister also reaffirmed his commitment to stopping small boats from crossing the channel our new law will ensure that if you come here illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed. >> now , i am confident that once >> now, i am confident that once flights start . >> now, i am confident that once flights start. going regularly to rwanda, the boats will stop coming. just look at how our returns agreement with albania has seen the numbers coming from there. fall by 90. it i am confident that our approach complies with our international

obugafions complies with our international obligations , but know this obligations, but know this i will do whatever is necessary to stop the boats when a raft of other policies were also announced in the keynote speech , which lasted nearly an hour and on education, he says he'll ang and on education, he says he'll bring together a—levels and t levels to create a new advanced british standard, with students studying five subjects. >> he also know he'll also bring fonnard measures to restrict the availability of vapes to children and he proposed raising the smoking age while opposition parties and westminster have reacted to the prime minister's speech, the liberal democrats accused the prime minister of rolling over for the right of his party and shadow cabinet member pat mcfadden. labour's says there's been a tory fiasco . the prime minister's problem is he's trying to present himself as a force for change

after 13 years when so much has gone wrong. >> the conservative party are not the change that the country needs. it's change from the conservative party that the country needs that can only come through a general election and a change of government . change of government. >> the countess of chester hospital is under investigation for corporate manslaughter. it follows lucy letby murder convictions . the former nurse convictions. the former nurse jailed for life after killing seven babies and attempting to murder six others at the hospital's neonatal unit. cheshire constabulary confirmed it's focusing on the indictment penod it's focusing on the indictment period between june 2015 and 2016, when it says it's considering areas, including senior leadership and decision making, to determine whether any criminality has taken place . an criminality has taken place. an army investigation believes a 19 year old soldier took her own life after relentless sexual harassment by one of her bosses

. royal artillery gunner james beck was found dead at larkhill camp in wiltshire in december 2021. a report described as an intense period of unwell behaviour and says it's almost certain this was a casual factor in her death . a murder in her death. a murder investigation has been launched after a dog believed to be an xl bully killed a man in sunderland. police responded just before 7:00 last night following reports a dog had injured a 54 year old. a 44 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. the dog was destroyed at the scene . a second destroyed at the scene. a second has been seized . and gb news has has been seized. and gb news has sacked laurence fox and calvin robinson. they were both suspended last week after the actor turned politician made on air comments about journalist ava evans in a separate development today, the reclaim party leader was arrested shortly after he posted a video

on social media saying his house was being searched by police . in was being searched by police. in a statement, scotland yard said a statement, scotland yard said a 55 year old man is being questioned on suspicion to commit criminal damage to ulez cameras . this is commit criminal damage to ulez cameras. this is gb news commit criminal damage to ulez cameras . this is gb news across cameras. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back over to . patrick now it's back over to. patrick >> the biggest problem for rishi sunakis >> the biggest problem for rishi sunak is that he doesn't seem to have the kind of raw appeal and popularity of nigel farage. nigel was walking around the tory party conference like a rock star. everybody young and old, wanted a moment with him. the press were more bothered about where nigel was and what he was saying than they were about rishi sunak's comments about rishi sunak's comments about new education about a new education qualification or not qualification or whether or not smoking be banned for smoking should be banned for fully grown, adults . fully grown, consenting adults. the hs2 stuff is a controversy

because it's an incredibly expensive and long winded mistake that embarrasses britain and the conservative party. it would have been more use to stack the billions waste on hs2 up in a big pile in a field and set it on fire. that way this winter , some elderly people winter, some elderly people could have used it for warmth instead of shivering in their own homes. but beyond that , hs2 own homes. but beyond that, hs2 doesn't really move the dial. the vast majority of people wouldn't have benefited from it anyway . and now slightly fewer anyway. and now slightly fewer people will. so what? who cares? the best thing that came out of this conference, though, for the tories was that are now the tories was that they are now the only party that really stands up for in view. they can for women. in my view. they can define woman is, which is for women. in my view. they can dnstart. woman is, which is for women. in my view. they can dnstart. don't|an is, which is for women. in my view. they can dnstart. don't want, which is for women. in my view. they can dnstart. don't want men:h is for women. in my view. they can dnstart. don't want men in is a start. they don't want men in women's prisons. they don't want men in women's hospital wards. they need to make more of this and say , you a woman, and say, if you are a woman, vote conservative because every other party happy to do away other party is happy to do away with or make less safe. with you or make you less safe. that's basically half of the adult population on side. but put simply, rishi sunak does not

caress the heart of conservative party members or basically the right wing population in the same way that i think nigel farage does. i was looking at the gb news email inbox during sunak speech and the ovennhelming consensus was decent speech. where's the action? nigel farage is perceived as a doer. he's a tsunami of personality and political opponents don't really know how to deal with him. do they? they don't seem to be able to handle him, possibly because he's disrupter . for he's a bit of a disrupter. for now , i started a rumour at now, i started a rumour at conservative party conference where i've just got back from when nigel walked in, flanked by everybody in the media and loads of tory members, i was stood to next him at the gb news stand and i decided just to decide to ramp up this talk of him rejoining the party, which, by the i don't think is going rejoining the party, which, by thnhappen don't think is going rejoining the party, which, by thnhappen andt think is going rejoining the party, which, by thnhappen and see nk is going rejoining the party, which, by thnhappen and see nk is came out to happen and see what came out of asked of it. i even asked our political to put political editor to put it to the minister directly. the prime minister directly. well, what came out of it was one that he'd get on one mp saying that he'd get on his and knees and beg him his hands and knees and beg him

to of other mps , to join loads of other mps, saying that they'd welcome him. rival media channels hour rival media channels doing hour long ins on whether or not long phone ins on whether or not nigel will be next tory nigel will be the next tory leader. home secretary leader. a former home secretary is sticking to him like glue and the prime minister not ruling it is sticking to him like glue and out. i actually don't think there is a huge gulf between what nigel politically believes in and what rishi in his heart and what rishi sunak politically believes in his heart. i do not think that there is an atlantic ocean of political ideology between them. but big difference, as far but the big difference, as far as i see it, is what they're prepared to say out loud. now nigel bets the house on the fact that he has the majority view when it comes to several key issues and would win a referendum on all of them in migration, illegal immigration, the echr net zero. i could go on rishi sunak is happy to send suella braverman out there to say all of that stuff. but the fact is , as i see it anyway, fact is, as i see it anyway, rishi sunak seems like a lovely guy and i think on the inside he's more sound than he lets on.

but currently he's too afraid of alienating potential liberal democrat voters to actually do what his own voters want . yeah, what his own voters want. yeah, i get your views coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. for what it's worth, i genuinely don't think that nigel farage is going to join the conservative party and i'm not saying that kind of stuff to try launch stuff to try and launch some kind leadership pitch for kind of leadership pitch for him. i think it's really him. i think it's a really fascinating contrast . having fascinating contrast. having spent the last two days at conservative party conference, having been around the kind of buzz that there was whenever nigel was there, and just comparing of comparing that to the kind of speech from speech that we've seen from rishi sunak and the overall mood having been on the ground in for manchester the last couple of days. manchester the last couple of days . but i am joined now by ben days. but i am joined now by ben houchen, who is the conservative mayor of tees valley . look, ben, mayor of tees valley. look, ben, thank you very, very much . i'm thank you very, very much. i'm going to ask you to comment initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it's the big announcement initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' ishe big announcement initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' is this ig announcement

initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' is this a announcement initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' is this a visible1cement initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' is this a visible sign ent initially on hs2. i suppose it's the it' is this a visible sign of: there. is this a visible sign of conservative, embarrassed and a waste of money? what do you think ? think? >> i mean, hs2 is an embarrassment to governments who have backed it for a long, long time. >> it's doubled its cost . it's >> it's doubled its cost. it's taken a lot longer to deliver. and it's still even if you did deliver the birmingham to manchester line , the £36 billion manchester line, the £36 billion it's projected to cost, which let's be honest, was always let's be honest, it was always going more these going to cost more because these things was going things invariably do was going to take another 15 20 years. to take another 15 to 20 years. so i think he's made a really obvious common sense decision, which is to scrap that complete white think you're white elephant. i think you're the only person i've so the only person i've heard so far even more strident far that is even more strident than on that point and then than me on that point and then actually use that money to relocate, reallocate relocate, to reallocate it across of england across the north of england on projects that will actually make a to local a real difference to local communities, a real difference to local commun ifes, a real difference to local commun if you take teesside, because if you take teesside, for instance, we really struggle with getting the money that we need a good bus service, need for a good bus service, good improving good rail connections, improving our is a real our roads. and this is a real thing, right? because instead of something benefits something that benefits manchester, when manchester, which again, when you most media outlets, you hear most media outlets, means north of england and

means the north of england and anybody north that anybody in the north knows that manchester is not the representative of the north of england, just one england, we're not just one homogenous , but actually england, we're not just one hom moneys , but actually england, we're not just one hom money will , but actually england, we're not just one hom money will nowut actually england, we're not just one hom money will nowut actia lly england, we're not just one hom money will nowut actia real, that money will now make a real, real because let's be real difference because let's be frank , the hs2 was never going frank, the hs2 was never going to north east. to benefit the north east. nobody north—east thought nobody in the north—east thought it idea. nobody in the north—east thought it now idea. nobody in the north—east thought it now in idea. nobody in the north—east thought it now in my idea. nobody in the north—east thought it now in my instance, idea. nobody in the north—east thought it now in my instance, teesside but now in my instance, teesside is going to get £978 million that it didn't have this morning . and i'm going to be able to use that to deliver on local priorities that will actually make a difference. >> interesting >> there is an interesting bit of here, isn't of politics going on here, isn't there? labour there? because if the labour party out bang in party now come out bang in favour and keep favour of hs2 and they keep beating with stick, you beating you with that stick, you didn't , you didn't didn't deliver hs2, you didn't deliver they would deliver hs2, then they would presumably to try find presumably have to try to find the money for both hs2 and this £36 billion worth of new transport projects that we are now allegedly going to get further up the country, which i'm not sure where they can really do. so from a political aspect, was that quite a shrewd move in the end? maybe, maybe snatching something like a victory from the jaws of defeat ? >> well, i think it's also more

straightfonnard than that in that people across the north of england, pretty much outside of manchester, didn't see any benefit hs2. so even separate benefit to hs2. so even separate from obvious from that, it's a pretty obvious political move. and i think rishi a pretty rishi is a pretty straightfonnard of guy. and rishi is a pretty straightthat|rd of guy. and rishi is a pretty straightthat from of guy. and rishi is a pretty straightthat from hisnf guy. and rishi is a pretty straightthat from his speech. nd rishi is a pretty strewillthat from his speech. nd rishi is a pretty strewill you from his speech. nd rishi is a pretty strewill you will| his speech. nd rishi is a pretty strewill you will you speech. nd >> will you will you apologise for waste of money? so far for the waste of money? so far though? i mean, in a cost of living or just at any living crisis or just at any point really, are point really, there are thousands , if not millions of thousands, if not millions of people in britain who could have done with a slice of the amount of that has been of money that has just been incinerated on this project so far. this is the whole point >> well, this is the whole point that rishi out his that rishi set out in his speech. we need to do it a different and he's he's different way. and he's not he's not minister not the prime minister that is going the going to continue with the politics the 30 years politics of the last 30 years that that wastage. politics of the last 30 years that again, that wastage. politics of the last 30 years that again, always iastage. politics of the last 30 years that again, always been e. and again, i've always been a believer local areas are believer that local areas are better able decide spend better able to decide and spend money rather than the more whitehall centric london machine that has delivered what i think is the way elephant of hs2. but he's also been very good politically on other parts of the speech as well. i mean, one of the things that think will of the things that i think will have of longevity and have a lot of longevity and i think cause labour think will cause the labour party will be

party a huge problem and will be a the next a talking point into the next election. very clear election. he made a very clear statement on immigration that he would necessary would do whatever is necessary to make sure that apart from leaving the echr, i mean , i leaving the echr, i mean, i don't i don't think he really spoke much about the echr did he? >> and how is he going to do everything he possibly can to stop the boats if we're in that ? >> well, i think that's the point of the statement that he made. and i think people over the read into the coming days will read into that realise that him saying that and realise that him saying that and realise that him saying that he will do whatever is necessary a much bigger necessary is a much bigger statement initially statement than it initially sounded . and i think there'll be sounded. and i think there'll be many conservatives actually many conservatives and actually many people across the country who expect him get it under who expect him to get it under control. made big, big control. he's made it a big, big priority of his. and if it means leaving the echr, my interpretation of that is if he can't reduce small boat crossings reduce illegal crossings and reduce illegal immigration and he has to leave the echr i'd interpret that the echr, i'd interpret it that he do whatever is he would do whatever is necessary meet pledge . necessary to meet that pledge. so it will give not just so i think it will give not just the conservatives, would you be in favour of that then, ben? >> would you in favour of >> would you be in favour of

that echr? that leaving the echr? >> as somebody who >> i mean, as somebody who supported brexit from day one anyway and was involved in the leave campaign, i still think we haven't really taken hold of all of tools in our arsenal. now of the tools in our arsenal. now we've left the european union and one of them is still an issue immigration issue around immigration because we tied by the we are still tied by the european on human european court on human convention on human rights and, you know, if we can come to an amicable arrangement where we don't have leave that seems don't have to leave that seems more collegiate, more sensible . more collegiate, more sensible. we good we still want a good relationship but as relationship with europe, but as an nation, the prime an independent nation, the prime minister has to commit to the electorate that he be electorate that he wants to be elected by, by and we want to get illegal immigration down. now, if that means ultimately the way to do that to the only way to do that is to leave echr, then i think the leave the echr, then i think the prime have prime minister is going to have to that. prime minister is going to have to are1at. prime minister is going to have to are you favour suella >> are you in favour of suella braverman's yesterday >> are you in favour of suella b rave was 1's yesterday >> are you in favour of suella bravewas a; yesterday >> are you in favour of suella bravewas a bit yesterday >> are you in favour of suella bravewas a bit of yesterday >> are you in favour of suella bravewas a bit of pushbackerday >> are you in favour of suella bravewas a bit of pushback on ay there was a bit of pushback on that. of word that. the use of the word hurricane . hurricane. >> i think lot of people , >> i think a lot of people, particularly within kind of the more london centric media, latched to on it, dare i say it, i'm back in teesside now. the people i've spoken to come up and of slightly whisper to

and kind of slightly whisper to me that they much agree me that they pretty much agree with suella with everything that suella braverman rishi sunak has braverman and rishi sunak has said. ultimately the proof said. so ultimately the proof will be in the pudding. but i think it's a pretty sensible approach will go approach and one that will go down in down well, particularly in the north probably north of england and probably across north of england and probably acr(all ben, look, tory >> all right, ben, look, tory party conference is done now. we're next week, we're at labour next week, probably of probably the last set of conferences a general conferences before a general election . what's your prediction ? >> well , i still ? >> well, i still think it's all to play for one, because this is the starting gun from rishi sunak about what a rishi sunak conservative government is all about. conservative government is all about . there's a lot more to do about. there's a lot more to do and he's going to set about. there's a lot more to do andeven he's going to set about. there's a lot more to do andeven mores going to set about. there's a lot more to do andeven more injoing to set about. there's a lot more to do andeven more in the; to set about. there's a lot more to do andeven more in the coming out even more in the coming weeks the weeks and months ahead. the interesting been interesting thing that i've been saying time now i saying for a long time now is i really want labour saying for a long time now is i reallyto want labour saying for a long time now is i reallyto start nt labour saying for a long time now is i reallyto start sayinglabour saying for a long time now is i reallyto start saying stuff r party to start saying stuff because we've seen it over the last . whenever last month. whenever they announce alignment announce anything on alignment with the eu, wherever they talk about immigration, whenever they talk hs2 , i talk about things like hs2, i think they're on the wrong side of when it comes to of the argument when it comes to the public. i'm the general public. so i'm hoping at next hoping they set that out at next week hope they keep week and i hope they keep talking keir talking because every time keir starmer opens his mouth, he gets it wrong and it gives us more of

starmer opens his mouth, he gets it chance.|nd it gives us more of a chance. >> but there something i >> but there is something i think a couple of weeks think to that. a couple of weeks ago we had for kids. we ago we had votes for kids. we had kerfuffle about asylum had a kerfuffle about asylum seeker had a meeting seeker quota. we had a meeting with macron with with emmanuel macron with another labour mp coming out and said he thought that some kind of been with of deal had been struck with him, which labour now denies, obviously. i think there is obviously. so i think there is something isn't something to that, isn't there, that keir starmer out that if keir starmer comes out and starts things and starts saying things and actually some policies to actually nails some policies to the mouth, you know, the public will to judge how will be able to judge how popular those are. will be able to judge how pthinkr those are. will be able to judge how pthink the those are. will be able to judge how pthink the big those are. will be able to judge how pthink the big thing those are. will be able to judge how pthink the big thing thate are. will be able to judge how pthink the big thing that keire. i think the big thing that keir starmer has going him starmer has got going for him now, will know, now, as you will well know, ben, after government, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself government, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself, government, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself , butjovernment, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself , but the'nment, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself , but the party t, now, as you will well know, ben, afteyourself , but the party is not yourself, but the party is that he's just not a tory. and i suppose that will be the big question at the next election. how does matter to the how much does that matter to the public? thank you very how much does that matter to the public'ben thank you very how much does that matter to the public'ben howchin,nk you very how much does that matter to the public'ben howchin, there very how much does that matter to the public'ben howchin, there isery how much does that matter to the public'ben howchin, there is the much. ben howchin, there is the mayor covering mayor of tees valley covering quite a lot of ground there. thank much, let's thank you very much, ben. let's go and speak go now to manchester and speak to political editor, to our political editor, christopher the christopher hope, who is on the scene second scene for us any second now. there is. okay what's the there he is. okay what's the what's reaction like? what's the reaction like? did sunak . off sunak lift the roof. off >> well, the roof didn't quite lift off, did it, patrick? we saw it on tv there. i thought

the suella braverman at the beginning, the suella braverman speech yesterday big beginning, the suella braverman spee penny :erday big beginning, the suella braverman spee penny mordaunt big beginning, the suella braverman spee penny mordaunt before big beginning, the suella braverman spee penny mordaunt before that one. penny mordaunt before that akshata murty spoke before the prime minister. that's course prime minister. that's of course the much more the pm's wife will see much more of her in coming weeks. if nothing that was the nothing else, that was the signal the election signal to me that the election campaign undennay. when campaign is well undennay. when you seeing the leaders, you start seeing the leaders, spouses speeches from the spouses making speeches from the stage the last last time i saw that happened at the party conference for memory, not conference for memory, i'm not sure cam spoke much for sure sam cam spoke much for david cameron back in with david cameron back in 2009 with gordon and sarah brown. so gordon brown and sarah brown. so i think we are seeing we'll see more murty very more of akshata murty very impressive speech. no autocue, just notes. but on the actual substance of the pm's speech, we know about hs2, we know he's spending billions on other projects . yes. applause in the projects. yes. applause in the hall. no one booed. there was one whoop. they're going to ban cigarettes for anyone under 41. you can't you can't buy them legally because they'll increase the age. the age you can buy them a every year going them by a year every year going fonnard . and that will happen fonnard. and that will happen before election. plans before the election. and plans to a—levels dropped to change. a—levels dropped three levels. replace them with

five. won't for be a five. that won't for be a decade. in to parliament decade. that's in to parliament time. whether these plans survive the test of time, we'll wait and see. >> are they? are they? yeah. also are they vote winners, though, christopher ? do they also are they vote winners, thoug thehristopher ? do they also are they vote winners, thoug the dial? jher ? do they also are they vote winners, thoug the dial? dor ? do they also are they vote winners, thoug the dial? do peoplehey also are they vote winners, thoug the dial? do people are move the dial? do people are people going to go to a ballot box confronted with numerous different crises facing this country and thinking that guy there, he's going to make sure that my child sits five a—levels, not three or that 20 year old one day is never going to be able to buy cigarettes. i mean, is that when your things . mean, is that when your things. >> well, patrick, if you're asking me, i don't think so. no. i think i think we knew virtually everything that was announced or announced was was was briefed or leaked to other newspapers, other . we reveal on our other other. we reveal on our own channel at gb news. nothing was surprising. i think the idea of banning cigarettes is going to be the next battle. the right will take on. liz truss, the former prime minister has already issued a statement saying she will not support the ban will be subject to ban that ban will be subject to a vote after the king's

a free vote after the king's speech the middle of speech in the middle of november. so at some point before there'll before the election there'll be a team around a free vote. the team around sunak they see it as sunak tell me they see it as totemic as the for legalising gay marriage , which david gay marriage, which david cameron did against against a lot of opinion in his own party. they feel that that's the importance of it as liz truss said didn't she in the hotel, just just behind the camera here in the midland hotel on monday ? in the midland hotel on monday? stop banning things was a big, big point . i stop banning things was a big, big point. i think that's the next battle tories will next battle the tories will fight. be a free vote in fight. it'll be a free vote in the commons, yes, but the house of commons, yes, but they feel it's the right thing for health, the right thing for people, thing, people, the right thing, frankly, to save lives. >> yeah . look, christopher, >> yeah. look, christopher, thank very, much. it's thank you very, very much. it's christopher news christopher hope gb news political editor. so rishi sunak has confirmed now that the northern leg of hs2 won't go ahead. labour's national campaign co—ordinator pat mcfadden says that this is a tory fiasco . tory fiasco. >> we've had two weeks of this and this announcement today is the culmination of a tory fiasco on hs2. we've always supported

building the line in the wake of this announcement and this cancellation. we are going to have to look at the numbers and see what we inherit whenever the election comes . election comes. >> the pm announced 36 billion in new transport projects in the north and midlands. >> would you scrap those then to go ahead with hs2? >> most of the transport projects he announced today were things they had already announced. example , northern announced. for example, northern powerhouse rail has been in the last conservative last three conservative manifestos and after the fiasco of the cancellation of hs2 , the of the cancellation of hs2, the second leg of it today, the question really is why should we believe the tories again on promising projects for the north of england when they haven't delivered the ones that were in the last three election manifestos ? m anifestos? >> manifestos? >> yeah. look, very quickly , a >> yeah. look, very quickly, a little bit of reaction in the inbox. views. the gbnews.com. inbox. gb views. the gbnews.com. this from meghan says this is from meghan who says brilliant speech brilliant conference on speech by rishi males can never be female . all talking about female. all talking about

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saw someone shoplifting, what would you do? a conservative minister wants you to detain them. so policing minister chris philp said the wind up public, including shop staff and security guards, do have the power of citizen's arrest. where it's safe to do so. i would encourage that to be used because if you do, just let people walk in and take stuff and out without a proper and walk out without a proper challenge, including potentially a , and it a physical challenge, and it will just escalate . look nice will just escalate. look nice idea. maybe, you know, you play these things in your head, don't you?i these things in your head, don't you? i don't know about you, but i do it. oh, if someone tried to take my phone, i chased after them. them the them. i'd wrestle them to the ground it back. in ground and i'd get it back. in reality, probably stand ground and i'd get it back. in realiopen probably stand ground and i'd get it back. in realiopen mouthed stand ground and i'd get it back. in realiopen mouthed too stand ground and i'd get it back. in realiopen mouthed too scared to that open mouthed too scared to do anything. but joined now do anything. but i'm joined now by harding, a former by simon harding, who's a former senior officer at senior investigating officer at the met police. thank the met police. simon, thank you very this era of not very much. in this era of not just knives, but rampant machete use is it quite use as well, is it quite irresponsible to suggest that people should shoplifters people should tackle shoplifters themselves ? themselves? >> well, i think it's a bit of a throwaway to that throwaway comment to say that everyone , you know, should and

everyone, you know, should and especially when you just say, you know, safe to do so . you know, safe to do so. >> i mean, that's the very little a big little comment in a big sentence, because sentence, isn't it? because that's the biggest that's one of the biggest things. for things. it's safety for yourself. consider yourself. you've got to consider also other people also the safety of other people and the person that you're detaining. i mean, we've seen in many occasions in many different industries where people are detained wrongly and, you know, positional asphyxia is created and people die. we've seen it in the leisure industry quite recently. so there's to recently. so there's lots to consider. know , if consider. and, you know, if you're to make a you're being asked to make a dynamic in front dynamic risk assessment in front of , you know, dynamic risk assessment in front of, you know, trying to look and suggest whether or not you would detain , you know, that suggest whether or not you would detairthat , you know, that suggest whether or not you would detairthat we've , you know, that suggest whether or not you would detairthat we've seen] know, that suggest whether or not you would detairthat we've seen of now, that suggest whether or not you would detairthat we've seen of those, at video that we've seen of those, not the one you're showing now, but one where those people but the one where those people did shoplifters that did detain shoplifters in that tesco's . and, you know, these tesco's. and, you know, these are ex—cops . they're people are ex—cops. they're people being trained in security. they're not they're not have a go heroes who are on their lunch break or, you know, from from a local they are they local business, they are they are people that have had previous are people that have had pr(sort|s put put that as a as to sort of put put that as a as a benchmark for people to get involved i think is a little bit

dangerous . dangerous. >> would have >> yeah, i would have reservations about it. i would also reservations about also have reservations about whether do detain whether or not you do detain someone, even if they are nicking then get nicking stuff. and then you get done for something and sued for because you've busted one of their knees something like their knees or or something like that. i mean, itjust also appears to me like they normally kind of come groups. it's kind of come in groups. it's like it can be a swarm of like a it can be a swarm of shoplifters . and so like we just shoplifters. and so like we just saw in that clip, there. so you tackle one them and their tackle one of them and their mates and they your mates come and they kick your head becomes a bigger head in and it becomes a bigger problem, doesn't it? i mean, this with respect, this is what with respect, police it? this police are for, isn't it? this is have cctv cameras so is why we have cctv cameras so that if somebody does nick something, go to the something, you can go to the police go, a police and you can go, here's a video can do video of it. can you do something about it, please? >> yeah, it and it's not. >> yeah, it is. and it's not. it's not the responsibility of the public deal with this the to public deal with this sort of thing. you it like sort of thing. you know, it like you say, you know, you'd all think it happened to you and think if it happened to you and you were standing you you were standing there, you know, i would still think as an ex—police officer that if i was standing happened. but standing there, it happened. but i assessment i think if that risk assessment was 15 or 20 of was that there was 15 or 20 of them running through the shop,

obviously make a obviously you've got to make a you decision for your you know, a decision for your own personal but there's you know, a decision for your 01 lot, ersonal but there's you know, a decision for your 01 lot, erso know, but there's you know, a decision for your 01 lot, erso know, security there's you know, a decision for your 01 lot, erso know, security guards a lot, you know, security guards and people that. you're and people like that. you're seeing now of them just seeing videos now of them just standing watching people. standing and watching people. and come and i think, you know, they come from paid from a very poorly paid industry. not willing to industry. they're not willing to put in front of these put themselves in front of these people . and why should if people. and why should they? if there's if there's a personal safety something ? safety to something? >> yeah, that's that's something i a big difference i think there's a big difference there between somebody who is paid guard. there between somebody who is paid not guard. there between somebody who is paid not decorationjuard. there between somebody who is paid not decoration .ard. there between somebody who is paid not decoration . they they're not decoration. they might well just be one of might as well just be one of those cardboard cut outs of police officers that you sometimes see at train stations standing newsagents. sometimes see at train stations standingdecide newsagents. sometimes see at train stations standingdecide nttryagents. sometimes see at train stations standingdecide nttry to ants. sometimes see at train stations standingdecide nttry to put. sometimes see at train stations standingdecide nttry to put off they're decide to try to put off somebody who's clearly so thick that they wouldn't realise that that's real person. you that's not a real person. you know, are in paying know, if you are in paying security i would security staff, then i would argue they should be the argue that they should be the ones to tackle and you know, ones to tackle it. and you know, it when you've got it does annoy me when you've got security staff there who think, it does annoy me when you've got seclit's staff there who think, it does annoy me when you've got seclit's notff there who think, it does annoy me when you've got seclit's not worthe who think, it does annoy me when you've got seclit's not worth it.'ho think, it does annoy me when you've got seclit's not worth it. 'h mean, , oh, it's not worth it. i mean, what's point that what's the point of that job just ? just to stand around? >> yeah, i mean, that's right. you do. it's frustrating to watch, but i think, you know, if when you're in that situation, obviously, looking obviously, and they are looking at outnumbered at being completely outnumbered

, they're they're going to , they're they're not going to put in risk for that. put themselves in risk for that. but you know, there's not there's not enough security guard. with the guard. i work a lot with the hospitality and door hospitality industry and door staff like to help staff and things like to help them. there's never enough them. and there's never enough of these people and they're so poorly paid that i don't really think you know, they think that they you know, they feel that they they want to do think that they you know, they fe so that they they want to do think that they you know, they fe so much.ey they want to do think that they you know, they fe so much. so they want to do think that they you know, they feso much. so you want to do think that they you know, they fe so much. so you know, .0 do think that they you know, they fe so much. so you know, soio it so much. so you know, so yeah, it's a difficult situation for them. but you know, it always comes back down to the police, isn't it? and i think just picking that, that just picking out of that, that story that story of those people that tackled those guys at tesco's and, you know, being called heroes. well i'm afraid that that was you know, one of them was nearly headbutted. yeah and then then you had then you had then then you had then you had the real the real for me the real the real issue for me and that the officers, and it was that the officers, then police officers that then the police officers that turned dealt and turned up and dealt with it and i'm so, i'm embarrassed to say so, bailed them. there's absolutely from what i can see, you know, in simple shoplifting in terms of that , you've got the person, of that, you've got the person, you've got the you take you've got the goods, you take the statements you charge the statements and you charge them. what reason that them. what is the reason that they've been conditionally bailed and that's that's bailed out? and that's that's probably we're falling probably where we're falling

down. might down. these people might be off the they are the streets if they are recidivist shoplifters, for example . example. >> yeah. simon, look, thank you very much simon there, very much, simon harding there, who's senior who's a former senior investigating officer at the met police quickly, police. just very quickly, jane's inbox gb jane's been on the inbox gb views gb views .com. views the gb views .com. i thought the rishi sunak speech was , energising and was inspiring, energising and invigorate writing regarding patrick's views this afternoon . patrick's views this afternoon. i do feel it's for easy nigel farage to be critical on handpicked subjects compared to our prime minister who has the responsibility of every aspect of our country and the running of our country and the running of it. she goes on to say, after the speech and conference as a whole, i feel very optimistic. so there you go. that's a view from jane. yep. fair enough. i think i think the mood around the conservative is the conservative party is probably the probably brighter after the conference going in. conference than it was going in. loads to come. loads more still to come. between 4:00, we will between now and 4:00, we will have talk the have a lot of talk about the tory ministers on tory ministers comments on women's rights and what they had to about trans people as to say about trans people as well. on female hospital wards and women's is it fair and women's prisons is it fair to say the conservative party is now only that stands now the only party that stands up women? but right now it's

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7413 points. direct bullion sponsors. >> the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . for gold and silver investment. >> there was some strong stuff that came out of the conservative party conference and not least i think where the conservative party and rishi sunak stand when it comes to or at least say stand it at least say they stand when it comes women's rights and the comes to women's rights and the trans debate well. declaring trans debate as well. declaring that common sense that it was just common sense when it came to defining what a woman is. rishi sunak made the comments during his keynote speech to the party conference. should we have a little listen to what he had to say? >> we shouldn't get bullied >> and we shouldn't get bullied into that people >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany that people >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany sex that people >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany sex theyiat people >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany sex they wantople >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany sex they want to .e >> and we shouldn't get bullied intrany sex they want to be. they be any sex they want to be. they can't. man is a man and a can't. a man is a man and a woman is a woman. that's just common sense . yeah common sense. yeah >> okay. there you go. i mean, it's clearly a message that the big guns of the tory party want hammering home. here's the health secretary speaking to the conference , saying conference yesterday, saying that on what a woman that he's clear on what a woman

is. i know as conservatives, we know what a woman is . know what a woman is. >> and i know the vast majority and the vast majority of nhs staff and patients do , too. staff and patients do, too. >> that is why i ordered a reverse dial of unacceptable changes to the nhs website and stopped it. the nhs ordering staff to declare pronoun issues to each . to each. >> yeah. so there's quite a lot there. kemi badenoch was also talking about it a lot, wasn't she ? and suella braverman she? and suella braverman mentioned it as well. a couple of big things about not allowing men into women's prisons is being much tougher as well. when it came to sex offenders and whether or not they were able to change gender or change their name. therefore go on and kind of disappear into the community and potentially pose more of a threat there. as you were just hearing, men hearing, there, no men on women's . and i think that women's wards. and i think that is, you know, powerful stuff for women everywhere, isn't it, if

you are of that mindset and whether or not other parties can say the same, you know, will you as a woman let me know, gb views or gb views .com. would you as a woman be inclined to vote conservative? simply because they are a party that appears able to define what woman is able to define what a woman is or enact policies or come out and say things like that? does that move the dial, particularly for you joining me now to discuss this is the diverse city and inclusion facilitator katy jon went katy , thank you very, jon went katy, thank you very, very much . how do you feel about very much. how do you feel about statements like that that a man is a man and a woman is a woman and that's that ? and that's that? >> well , in terms of being >> well, in terms of being common sense, i think you've i've been on enough times for you to know that i'm trying to be as common sense as possible about this myself, and i'm very comfortable with that kind of language. >> at same time , i just >> and at the same time, i just add trans add that third thing and a trans person a trans person. person is a trans person. >> trans people are here. they're not going anywhere .

they're not going anywhere. >> whether you were kind of trapped in the legal situation of existing law, that means certain things have been defined, a certain way. we have to live with that. and that is to live with that. and that is to here stay. but being able to talk about the common sense of what is a woman, what is a man biologically , yes, i can biologically, yes, i can completely uphold that. >> but to say that the tories are now the only party that knows what a woman is, i think that's just political point scoring. >> so with respect, katie, then so would you would you expect to be able to go on to a woman's hospital ward , do you think if hospital ward, do you think if you were in hospital, what do you were in hospital, what do you make of that? >> i don't think there are many people in the nhs who can't necessarily expect to gain access to a single sex ward anyway because the nhs is severely underfunded and doesn't have sufficient single sex wards for every particular hospital department? when you go into a&e , for example, you are treated based on trying to save your

life, not necessarily based on your sex. if you go on to an obs and gynae ward, you'll be treated for female issues. if you go to on a male cancer ward, you'll be treated because of, for example, prostate cancer. >> but trans women can get prostate cancer and would have to be on that ward for prostate . but you've also got trans men with their muscles and their beards and their tattoos who could equally end up on an obs and ward because they and gynae ward because they still female still might have female reproductive still might have female reproductabout it's not a solution? >> kind of, i think. >> kind of, i think. >> yeah. i get it. i think there's more of an overt threat, though, when it comes to people who were born male. right. and what i mean, what about in prisons? i mean, that something that was that was something that was discussed well, there discussed as well, that there wouldn't male convicts with wouldn't be male convicts with intact male genitalia in a woman's prison . woman's prison. >> i agree with that one. and i shifted my own dial on that one several years ago. >> and i've worked with prisons and in the past and their policies in the past on it. i do think that's a sensible decision. i do think other should arrived other people should have arrived

at earlier. i do at that decision earlier. i do think there's a as i say, there is a political point scoring game moment. grab game at the moment. let's grab all those transgender at all those transgender points at the moment around schools, around hospitals, around prisons . but i around hospitals, around prisons . buti do around hospitals, around prisons . but i do think that is a fair and is a common sense response . and is a common sense response. >> nobody with a history of sexual violence towards women who has an intact male body should be anywhere near a women's prison. >> actually they have >> and that actually they have had the right to not to put those over. erring those people over. so erring on the of on is the side of caution on that is 100% to do . 100% the right thing to do. >> but do agree it would be >> but i do agree it would be kind of traumatising some kind of traumatising to some women ward to discover women on a ward to discover there's on the same there's a person on the same ward as you with with a deep voice. but i think most of the time do try accommodate time they do try and accommodate by smaller . time they do try and accommodate by yeah. smaller . time they do try and accommodate by yeah. sm be er . time they do try and accommodate by yeah. sm be i'm not i'm not >> yeah. to be i'm not i'm not entirely it's the voice entirely sure it's the voice that's issue is it? that's the issue though is it? i think to be fair, but katie, look. thank you. thank you very much, john went there. much, katie. john went there. diversity and inclusion facilitator. that we facilitator. i believe that we might be able to hear a little facilitator. i believe that we migfrome able to hear a little facilitator. i believe that we migfrom from to hear a little facilitator. i believe that we migfrom from kemiear a little facilitator. i believe that we migfrom from kemi kemi.ittle bit from from kemi kemi badenoch, was also very badenoch, who was also very strong on this , was this

strong on this, was this conservative government that stopped shameful snp and labour politicians in scotland pursuing a self—id policy that let convicted rapists pretend that they were actually women. >> so they could be housed in a women's prison with potential new victims . new victims. >> yeah, let me know how you feel about all of this. if you are indeed a woman and let me know. vaiews@gbnews.com. do you now feel more inclined to vote for the conservative party i.e. the conservative party were also accused by one conservative party member who i actually caught up with last night after he was booted out of the conference of being transphobes nick and i wonder whether or not by virtue of saying things like, look, hey , we're going to we're look, hey, we're going to we're going to clamp down on this gender ideology , if they've gender ideology, if they've riled up arguments about being transphobic, i think from a purely political sense, i would argue as well, maybe from a from argue as well, maybe from a from a moral sense as well , being on a moral sense as well, being on the side of biological fact will probably gain you a lot more

traction at a general election than maybe pandering to a very vocal but very small minority of people. but i can bring you some breaking news now. another man has been arrested as police investigate hate the fire at the famous crooked house pub in the west midlands. staffordshire police arrested a 23 year old man from leicestershire on suspicion conspiracy to suspicion of conspiracy to commit with intent or commit arson with intent or being reckless as to whether life in danger. he has been life was in danger. he has been released on conditional bail while the investigate continues. the four men and the woman who were previously arrested all remain on condition bail we go. we are still asking those people who might have information which can help us to get in touch if they haven't already. the police say can call us on 101 or say you can call us on 101 or message us using live chat on our website. if you prefer to report anonymously. apparently you can call crime stoppers . on you can call crime stoppers. on (800) 555—1111. that's a message from the police, right? the good news for prince andrew is that he's being allowed to stay in

his home, which is set in 98 acres. by the way, the bad news is that he's got to find more than £2 million to do it up patrick christys on gb news

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conference speech and look at who's best to tackle the migrant crisis whether not the crisis and whether or not the language that was used in that speech, as hurricane, speech, such as a hurricane, is actually banned , or if people actually banned, or if people are deliberately being are just deliberately being offended by stuff. >> the good news prince >> but the good news for prince andrew he's being andrew is that he's being allowed stay home, allowed to stay in his home, which acres. lovely which is set in 98 acres. lovely stuff. it's all right for some. but the bad news is that he's got more than £2 got to find more than £2 million. othennise, you know, the might fall in love. the roof might fall in love. frogspawn his but i'm frogspawn in his pool. but i'm joined former royal joined by former royal correspondent sun , correspondent at the sun, charles rea. good luck, charlie. thank you very for joining thank you very much for joining us. so is this mean, us. okay so is this i mean, conflicting reports on this? okay. some people are saying that andrew spend the that prince andrew can spend the rest his days living there in rest of his days living there in windsor and king charles has caved in completely. other people that he can people are saying that he can only stay there if he can afford to, which don't think he can. to, which i don't think he can. what's to, which i don't think he can. whatthink the second part, to >> i think the second part, to be perfectly honest , that he can be perfectly honest, that he can stay there for as long as he can afford to pay for the upkeep. >> now, he's already had to spend something like £200,000 on the roof and that was just an

interim payment . and experts are interim payment. and experts are saying that the cost of repairs are for the foreseeable future is around about £2 million. >> now at the moment, andrew, i suspect, can can afford to pay that money, but can he afford to pay that money, but can he afford to pay it long term? because as we all know, houses always need something happening to them . something happening to them. >> and you know , andrew is going >> and you know, andrew is going to be have to dig deep into his pockets. >> one thing i would like to say is that don't anybody run away with the idea that this is a softening by the king on andrew, and andrew might one day, because of he's now going to state at windsor lodge is going to be back in the royal fold not at all. he's still in the doghouse . it's a very large doghouse. it's a very large doghouse, as you quite rightly say, massive house. say, a massive dog house. >> it's doggy a doggy >> it's a doggy is a doggy mansion. tell you what, mansion. i tell you what, i would be sent to the would happily be sent to the doghouse more often if it was something like that. i must say, charlie. but so what's he going to do then? prince andrew? i

mean, suppose charles has made mean, i suppose charles has made a of a political move here, a bit of a political move here, really saying, hey, i'm not going you out there going to turf you out of there live as you can live there as as long as you can afford to. i mean, does andrew live there as as long as you can afftheto. i mean, does andrew live there as as long as you can affthe old mean, does andrew live there as as long as you can affthe old mearequivalent rew live there as as long as you can affthe old mearequivalent reva do the old royal equivalent of a dirty and just just live dirty protest and just just live there old school there like those old school aristocrats with everything falling ? falling down around them? >> yeah , he's going to be like >> yeah, he's going to be like steptoe and son. >> that's one for older viewers and readers. he's going to let it go to rack and ruin. no, there will come a point where you know, it depends how things go. but there will point go. but there will come a point that andrew cannot afford to that if andrew cannot afford to continue to pay for the upkeep of the house, then he will be out and let's not forget that windsor is owned by the crown. >> you know , the monarch has use >> you know, the monarch has use of it and so it is not it is not a place that is owned by actual royals. >> they just lease it. i mean, andrew's had to pay , you know, a andrew's had to pay, you know, a rate. i think it was something like £1 million, which is cheap for a 90 acre place . but, you for a 90 acre place. but, you know, he's going to have to look

after it . after it. >> yeah, okay. and i mean, what is the general sense like amongst the royals now with andrew? is he he's not being welcomed back, i suppose. but i mean, is he he's not quite as much of a poisonous figure as he possibly was a toxic figure . possibly was a toxic figure. >> i think he's being tolerated , patrick, to be perfectly honest. he's look, the royals have made it quite clear he is not a working member of the royal family anymore . so he's royal family anymore. so he's going to spend his days at royal lodge. he'll go out for the occasional , lodge. he'll go out for the occasional, uh, lodge. he'll go out for the occasional , uh, event with his occasional, uh, event with his wife and be up at balmoral and at sandringham and all these sort of things. but that's that's it. >> that's his his own money. so he can earn money. i mean, is he , can he go out and earn money? i mean, we're going to see him working at waitrose or something i >> -- >> i'd pay l>> i'd pay money >> i'd pay money for that. >> i'd pay money for that. >> no, we're not. we're not going to see him earning money in the sense that he was earning

money before . money before. >> no. >> no. >> because who's going to who's going to employ him? >> christopher patrick. who's going to employ him? i mean , going to employ him? i mean, there's nobody going take him there's nobody going to take him on and sort of say, look, we'd like you this. remember, like you to do this. remember, he front charities. he was going to front charities. well, how many charities have come the virginia come fonnard since the virginia giuffre affair? not one. >> well, well, indeed . i mean, >> well, well, indeed. i mean, yes, it would probably have to go deep undercover, wouldn't he , really? although, i don't know. i can see i can see some kind of weird attempt to resurrect himself on one of those, you know , doing some kind those, you know, doing some kind of fly on the wall documentary . of fly on the wall documentary. i mean, he might come to that. he might come to that would be interesting, wouldn't but interesting, wouldn't it? but there interesting, wouldn't it? but the last time fly on the >> last time he did a fly on the wall documentary, patrick, it all in all ended in tears. >> yeah, actually , also on >> yeah, actually, also on second thoughts, maybe trying to maybe clean his accent maybe trying to clean his accent doesn't for him doesn't work that well for him before. very before. charlie, thank you very much. charles is the much. charles rea, that is the former royal correspondent of the a bit of time the sun. i've got a bit of time to delve into the inbox. look at the of the hour. the top of the hour. i was asking rishi sunak asking you rishi sunak speech, winner you?

winner or loser for you? he tackled issues, didn't see tackled a few issues, didn't see hs2. one of them? he hs2. who was one of them? he spoke a about gender. he spoke a bit about gender. he spoke a bit about gender. he spoke about the migrant spoke a bit about the migrant crisis on. cheney crisis cheney's been on. cheney says.i crisis cheney's been on. cheney says. i listened to rishi's speech. to be a wet speech. i found him to be a wet lettuce all mouth, no action. it's a bit of a mixed bag, actually. i must say. i think that rishi sunak really hit the nail on the head with his speech today. nigel different. today. says nigel different. nigel, of course, the one that you on on you might be seeing later on on this channel. common sense on scrapping of scrapping the northern leg of hs2. gender hs2. common sense on gender identity. a man is a man and a woman is a woman. i wonder if the truth there is somewhere in between, look, all between, which is look, it's all very saying very well and good saying the right we're to right things as we're going to go talk about suella go on to talk about suella braverman, know, did did braverman, you know, did did a really speech on really big tubthumping speech on immigration, on illegal immigration, on illegal immigration, on illegal immigration, on on things like saying the human rights act was really the criminal rights act and that labour want open borders that going to borders and that it's going to be they ever get in be terrible if they ever get in and of and think, and all of this and you think, okay, firstly , okay, fine, but well, firstly, do actually really want do labour actually really want open what are open borders? secondly, what are you about it? she didn't you doing about it? she didn't mention once . is there mention the echr once. is there a around the conservatives

a sense around the conservatives that the back end of the conference now there's been a lot of talk and a huge of lot of talk and a huge amount of action. where are you gb views a gbnews.com. and i did just ask you as well whether or not you feel as though the conservative party the only party party is now the only party standing janine standing up for women. janine says , yes, i will vote says, yes, i will vote conservative as have got three conservative as i have got three granddaughters aged 21, 15 and nine, worry about their nine, and i worry about their safety. that is the back of safety. that is off the back of the conservatives coming and the conservatives coming out and saying women's prisons saying no men in women's prisons and no men on female wards. but saying no men in women's prisons and primeen on female wards. but saying no men in women's prisons and prime ministernale wards. but saying no men in women's prisons and prime minister has wards. but saying no men in women's prisons and prime minister has warcthatjt the prime minister has said that he takes to he will do whatever it takes to solve the migrant crisis. one of his five pledges is, of course, stop boats . i'm going to stop the boats. i'm going to analyse said. i'm going analyse what he said. i'm going to a look at of the to have a look at some of the language suella braverman language that suella braverman been that been used. do you think that people who they are people who say that they are offended by words like invasion? she hurricane she used the word hurricane yesterday. do you think they're just pearl clutching and actually they're pretending to be offended instead of dealing with the real issue, which is, of course, rapid population growth. where are you on that ? growth. where are you on that? patrick gb news. this patrick christys gb news. this is bristol seashell . is bristol seashell. >> good afternoon, i'm alex

deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. >> a bit of a south split >> a bit of a north south split with today wet for with the weather today wet for parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. most of england and wales under influence wales dry under the influence of high further north, high pressure. further north, weather draped their way weather fronts draped their way and bringing a soggy feel to much of central southern scotland and the north of northern ireland. that rainy zone lingering well into the evening. perhaps we'll see some wet weather into the far north of england . much of northern of england. much of northern scotland turning dry scotland actually turning dry and and here it'll and clear and here it'll actually turn a little chilly with temperatures well down into single figures for much of the rest of the uk, temperatures holding double digits. we holding up in double digits. we start thursday then with quite a lot cloud, certainly for lot of cloud, certainly for north wales, north—west england, there'll be some outbreaks of rain for northern rain and drizzle for northern ireland going to turn a ireland going to turn into a pretty soggy morning fairly quickly. in here quickly. the rain moving in here and pushing into western and then pushing into western scotland as well. the winds will start to increase. so turning wet windy across north wales wet and windy across north wales as as north—west england . as well as north—west england. northern actually northern ireland actually turning through the

turning a bit drier through the afternoon, southern and eastern parts mostly dry and parts of england, mostly dry and bright, a bit of sunshine could poke and that'll see poke through and that'll see temperatures up degrees temperatures up to 19 degrees elsewhere . we're in the elsewhere. we're in the mid—teens at best. weather fronts continue to bring further rain across north—west scotland. that some issues by that could cause some issues by the time get the weekend. the time we get to the weekend. but further look at this, but further south, look at this, temperatures high temperatures on the rise, high pressure moving in. a lot of fine weather as we head into the weekend england wales. weekend for england and wales. and temperatures this weekend weekend for england and wales. and t(be)eratures this weekend weekend for england and wales. and t(be)erithe as this weekend weekend for england and wales. and t( be yerithe as th 20s eekend

>>s4 >> s 4 pm. is patrick christys is gb news and suella braverman . she used the word hurricane to describe what's coming when it turns to the migrant crisis. a lot of people saying they're offended by this. are you offended by this. are you offended by this. are you offended by that kind of language or do you think that she's we're also she's spot on? but we're also going to be having this because rishi delivered his rishi sunak has delivered his speech at the conservative party conference. i've got two tory mps to give their verdict, scrapping . is that the right scrapping hs2. is that the right thing? he was strong on gender ideology. he brought his ideology. he even brought his wife out at point, didn't wife out at one point, didn't he? you make of he? what do you make of rishi sunak's speech the sunak's speech and where the conservative at at the conservative party is at at the moment is labour. next week will be over that. other news. be all over that. in other news. well, is a weird one. okay, well, this is a weird one. okay, so apparently we are looking into whether we are going into whether or not we are going to send some of our own criminals abroad to foreign pnsons criminals abroad to foreign prisons because we're running out space. look, is this just out of space. look, is this just like mark? two? i mean, like rwanda, mark? two? i mean, how earth is this going to

how on earth is this going to work? but there we go. we'll have apparently have to wait and see. apparently some countries it. some other countries do it. i remain convinced. and remain to be convinced. and finally, you're thinking finally, yes, if you're thinking about whether not in the about whether or not in the future you're going to get a driverless apparently driverless car, well, apparently some people are saying that they could pose a risk china could pose a risk from china hacking them, russia hacking them or even terrorists. what's going on there? patrick christys . gb news loads. on this hour, we go back to manchester. we got michael fabricant. we got ben bradley. we're going to be talking suella language as talking about suella language as well. by the well. were you offended by the use of the word hurricane to describe mass migration? gb views gbnews.com. but right now it's your headlines with polly . patrick. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and hello to you. well, the top story from the gp newsroom is that the prime minister has confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped . hs2 is being scrapped. >> speaking after weeks of

speculation today, rishi sunak told the conservative party conference in manchester that he's ready to make tough decisions for the country. he's defended the move , saying the defended the move, saying the money will be better spent developing projects in the north and in the midlands. hs2 will still run from euston in central london, but current management will, i quote, no longer be responsible for the site. >> we'll reinvest it every single penny. £36 billion in hundred pounds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country . midlands across the country. this means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation . across our nation. >> well, the former prime minister david cameron, has criticised the announcement in the last few minutes , saying the last few minutes, saying that a once in a generation opportunity has now been lost . opportunity has now been lost. and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, says the new investment plan doesn't create a coherent network.

>> when money is given to projects. you want to support those projects , but the question those projects, but the question is do they form a coherent transport plan? because if you have to make the most out of investment, you've got to make sure it all it all knits together and it makes a coherent network. and i don't think this plan does that. they've localised what was a coherent plan and we've now got to try and kind of make sense of the good bits and work together with other mayors and leaders across the north to turn it into something actually something that will actually work us. work for us. >> well, aside from talking about hs2, in his speech, the prime minister also reaffirmed his commitment to stop small boats crossing the english channel. >> our new law will ensure that if you come here illegally , you if you come here illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed. now, i am confident that once flights start going regularly to rwanda, the boats will stop coming. just look at how our returns agreement with albania has seen the numbers

coming from there. fall by 90% and i am confident that our approach complies with our international obligations . but international obligations. but know this i will do whatever is necessary to stop the boats . necessary to stop the boats. >> well, a raft of other policies were also announced in the keynote speech , which lasted the keynote speech, which lasted nearly an hour on education. the prime minister said he'll bring together a—levels and t levels together a—levels and t levels to create a new advanced british standard, with students studying five separate subjects. he also said he'll bring fonnard measures to restrict the availability of vapes to children, and he proposed raising the smoking age as well. now in use away from party conference, the countess of chester hospital is under investigation for corporate manslaughter. it follows lucy letby murder convictions . the letby murder convictions. the former nurse jailed for life after killing seven babies and

attempting to murder six others attempting to murder six others at the hospital's neonatal unit, cheshire constabulary confirmed it's focusing on the period between june 2015 and 2016. it says it's considering investigating areas, including senior leadership, to determine whether or not any criminality has taken place . now an army has taken place. now an army investigation believes a 19 year old soldier took her own life after relent sexual harassment by one of her bosses. royal artillery gunner jason beck was found dead at larkhill camp in wiltshire in december 2021. a report describes as an intense penod report describes as an intense period of unwell behaviour and says it's almost certain this was a causal factor in her death . the murder investigation has been launched after a dog believed to be an xl bully killed a man in sunderland. police responded just before 7:00 last night after reports a

dog had injured a 54 year old man , a 44 year old other man has man, a 44 year old other man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. the dog was destroyed at the scene. a second dog has now been seized . gb news has sacked been seized. gb news has sacked laurence fox and calvin robinson. they were both suspended last week after the actor turned politician made on air comments about the journalist ava evans. in a separate development today, the reclaim party leader was arrested shortly after he posted arrested shortly after he posted a video on social media saying his house was being searched by police . in a statement, scotland police. in a statement, scotland yard said a 45 year old man is being questioned on suspicion of committing the criminal damage of ulez cameras . turkey has of ulez cameras. turkey has withdrawn its bid to host the ,2,028, meaning a joint bid withdrawn its bid to host the ,2,and, meaning a joint bid withdrawn its bid to host the ,2,and theeaning a joint bid withdrawn its bid to host the ,2,and the republicoint bid withdrawn its bid to host the ,2,and the republic oft bid the uk and the republic of ireland now stands unopposed . ireland now stands unopposed. italy and turkey have both

agreed to merge their bids for 2032. the joint bid needs to be officially approved by uefa's executive committee next week. ten stadia were selected , ten stadia were selected, including glasgow's hampden park , the principality stadium in cardiff, dublin's aviva stadium and wembley in london, with gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . lots to go out today. channel. lots to go out today. >> we start with rishi sunak and he confirmed the worst kept secret in british politics that the northern leg of hs2 has been scrapped. the pm said the facts have changed. the cost of a high speed rail scheme had more than doubled . but politically, is it doubled. but politically, is it a good move or a bad move? do you really care about hs2? was it not going to affect you and actually has the right decision, albeit it expensively and very slowly been made, which is to

actually just connect up the north and the midlands and the east of england that's crossed over now to manchester to speak to our political editor, christopher christopher to our political editor, christ(you r christopher to our political editor, christ(you r much. stopher to our political editor, christ(you r much. stophe|| thank you very much. before i get of two top tory get the views of two top tory mps on this, what's they actually said ? actually said? >> what he said there, patrick, is that they are getting not going to build this link between birmingham and manchester, hs2. two, they're going to spend £36 billion on new network north, which is a series of dozens really of developments across the england that could be transport that could be road or rail projects more spending to try and connect towns, villages, cities where i am in manchester. but a big surprise, a big shock for many tories has happened because it was not expected. notably, david cameron , a former notably, david cameron, a former prime minister, very rarely ever comments on politics. he's been quite clear today he is not happy about this at all. andy street, mayor of west street, the mayor of west midlands, he was on resignation watch for two hours. he is now

told gb news he is not resigning because, of course , he is the because, of course, he is the mayor of the mayor in birmingham. he wanted that link to manchester. big concerns. the mps voted it through mps already voted it through that it should should go as far as crewe. so the government is facing the rather embarrassing situation mps situation of forcing its own mps to axe the part of the hs2 from birmingham to crewe, which might be an awkward moment even for tory mps . tory mps. >> well, i suppose it could well be, couldn't it, really? i mean the vast majority of tory mps weren't going have weren't going to have their actual constituencies affected by hs2, were they though? so i wonder or wonder whether or not whether or not actually really care not they actually really care that but christopher, that much. but christopher, thank much. thank you very much. christopher, i hope that our political i'm just christopher, i hope that our politicto i'm just christopher, i hope that our politicto bring i'm just christopher, i hope that our politicto bring in i'm just christopher, i hope that our politicto bring in now ust going to bring in now conservative mansfield, conservative mp for mansfield, ben bradley, who joins us. ben, thank you very, very much . look, thank you very, very much. look, initially hs2, are you bothered ? >> bothered, yes, in the sense that there are lots of economic priorities that it feeds that we need to deliver. >> but i'm not unhappy from my point of view, in the sense of

the east midlands, which is where i'm from, we're not going to get the big expensive railway line am assured line anymore, but am assured that we're still going to get trains, going trains, we're still going to get trains, we're still going to get trains upgraded routes to trains via upgraded routes to the we were the stations. thought we were going to and we've going to get them to and we've now got the £8 billion that would have that railway now got the £8 billion that wouito have that railway now got the £8 billion that wouito have on that railway now got the £8 billion that wouito have on roads at railway now got the £8 billion that wouito have on roads andiilway now got the £8 billion that wouito have on roads and local line to spend on roads and local railway upgrades and buses and things that will benefit my constituents. >> so it's a relatively happy trade off from my perspective . trade off from my perspective. >> okay. i mean, a lot of people are saying that there is absolutely no point doing absolutely no point in doing any of actually. mean of it, though, actually. i mean , to get out , what are we going to get out of a quicker trip to of it? a quicker trip to birmingham , just about. and then birmingham, just about. and then that's it, is it? i mean, we've already got trains to birmingham, we? birmingham, haven't we? >> well, there's a capacity element as much as there is a speed one. >> so insomuch as they've already started to deliver those lines and expand capacity between london and birmingham, you might as well finish it. now, there's no point leaving. we the images there of we just saw the images there of the the works. you you the road, the works. you you want it there? are you want to leave it there? are you going to finish bits you've going to finish the bits you've started? other

started? but there are other options. always been options. and i've always been clear. a huge clear. you know, there's a huge economic hs2 trains economic benefit to hs2 trains arriving midlands , arriving in the east midlands, but also that, know, you but also that, you know, you don't need one big shiny track. >> i need the trains. >> i need the trains. >> and if that means we get multiple upgrades, east multiple upgrades, the east midlands opens up, you midlands element opens up, you know, newark and east coast and leeds wasn't on there before. >> there's new people before. >> be :here's new people before. >> be ables new people before. >> be able to new people before. >> be able to accessew people before. >> be able to access it.people will be able to access it. >> and from my selfish point of view, candidate the view, it's candidate to be the mayor of the east midlands. we've £1.5 billion in a pot we've got £1.5 billion in a pot for that spend on local priorities. >> the i imagine one of the i don't want to put words in your mouth. one of the annoying things you things for you might be that you didn't this to begin didn't just do this to begin with, this with, right? because this is actually good itself. actually quite good in itself. it's we've actually quite good in itself. it's this we've actually quite good in itself. it's this giant we've actually quite good in itself. it's this giant white we've actually quite good in itself. it's this giant white elephant got this giant white elephant that's of cash that's absorbed a load of cash and dug tunnels across the south of that's taken place of england. that's taken place for agree for years before it. but i agree with i really do. i really with you. i really do. i really honestly do think that there are now people across the now more people across the country who will benefit from this money. it's just this amount of money. it's just a there in the a shame that it got there in the first can i ask first place. can i ask you a little bit about suella braverman this little bit about suella branotheri this little bit about suella branother top this little bit about suella branother top topic this little bit about suella branother top topic for this little bit about suella branother top topic for us. this is another top topic for us. there's pushback there's been a bit of pushback

to that was used. to the language that was used. some people may be clutching some pearls , saying the use of some pearls, saying the use of the word hurricane was bit the word hurricane was a bit strong. she's previously used the invasion . does that the word invasion. does that bother you ? bother you? >> no, not really . i think it >> no, not really. i think it reflects what a lot of my constituents think. tell me their view is. and i imagine that's probably why she frames it in that way. that's probably why she frames it in that way . we need to be it in that way. we need to be tough on our borders. >> we need to be seen to be tough on our borders because there deterrent effect. >> the ?-- effect. >> the that we >> but in the actions that we take that prevent people thinking they arrive thinking that they can arrive illegally access to illegally and get access to loads of stuff that my constituents access . and constituents can't access. and fundamentally, think she's fundamentally, i think she's absolutely on say absolutely bang on both to say that the international treaties around this don't work for us, don't allow us to deliver . they don't allow us to deliver. they stop us from protecting our borders, that we can't borders, but also that we can't wait for those treaties and those renegotiate ones to get on with it. britain to act with it. britain needs to act and my constituents and i think my constituents expect that. expect us to do that. >> a lot of people >> yeah, indeed. a lot of people are saying, why didn't you mention the echr? mean, is mention the echr? i mean, is that the way that you that not the only way that you can enact some the

can actually enact some of the things to do things that you do want to do too? well maybe not mentioned it by name, but she has talked in in previous speech week in her previous speech a week or so she for a good half an >> she talked for a good half an hour about elements, including international treaties. she talked about refugee and settlement from the post world war ii that was intended to resettle 2 million people displaced by war. and now impacts or supports some 700 odd million people to move around the globe. it's not mod is not fit for purpose. it doesn't reflect live in now reflect the world we live in now . other examples, . and there are other examples, including echr . but think including the echr. but i think what out that what she's laying out is that she's take those she's prepared to take those things those things on, take those international to international agreements on to deliver deliver i >> okay. all right, ben, look, thank much. thank you very much. ben bradlee. a conservative thank you very much. ben bra|for>. a conservative thank you very much. ben bra|for mansfield a conservative thank you very much. ben bra|for mansfield who 1servative thank you very much. ben bra|for mansfield who joined ive thank you very much. ben bra|for mansfield who joined me mp for mansfield who joined me at joins me again at conference, joins me again today. so, like we were saying, rishi sunak has confirmed that the hs2 won't go the northern leg of hs2 won't go ahead. labour's national campaign coordinator, pat mcfadden aiden well, of course he's described this as a tory fiasco . fiasco. >> we've had two weeks of this, this and this announcement today is the culmination of a tory

fiasco on hs2. we've always supported building the line in the wake of this announcement and this cancellation. we are going to have to look at the numbers and see what we inherit whenever the election comes . whenever the election comes. >> the pm announced 36 billion in new transport projects in the north and midlands. would you scrap those then to go ahead with hs2? >> most of the transport projects he announced today were things they had already announced. >> for example, northern powerhouse rail has been in the last conservative last three conservative manifestos and after the fiasco of the cancellation of hs2 , the of the cancellation of hs2, the second leg of it today , the second leg of it today, the question really is why should we believe of the tories again on promising projects for the north of england when they haven't delivered the ones that were in the last three election manifestos ? m anifestos? >> manifestos? >> all right, i'm going to speak now conservative sir now to conservative mp sir michael fabricant. michael, thank very, very much . so at

thank you very, very much. so at 22:03 pm. on monday, i was stood to next gb news stand at the conservative party conference. someone told me categorically impeccable source he's the northern leg he's scrapping the northern leg of hs2. then i went on air and then the tories said that that was not true. and then it has turned out to be true . and then turned out to be true. and then andy street said he might go and then he didn't go. is it a bit of a fiasco ? of a fiasco? >> well, it all went wrong , >> well, it all went wrong, didn't it, when three weeks ago a treasury official was walking up to downing street holding a transparent folder and the folder was talking about the costs of getting rid of phase one. >> one. >> so it all got phase two, rather. so it all got out there andifs rather. so it all got out there and it's been pretty difficult to handle the media ever since . to handle the media ever since. but, you know, unlike my pal ben just now, you were interviewing . i actually am very, very enthusiastic about the fact that out phase two is going and i don't think that many commentators really understand exactly what is going to happen.

>> so let me just briefly explain , though. explain, though. >> the line will run from euston to birmingham. yes. everyone knows that. but in fact, hs1 phase one will carry on past lichfield and then join an upgraded west coast main line, an upgraded so that it can take high speed trains . and that high speed trains. and that means that there will be high speed trains in manchester not running slowly, not running at a full 180 miles an hour, but quite capable of going at 140 or 160 miles an hour. quite capable of going at 140 or 160 miles an hour . and there 160 miles an hour. and there will be delivered possibly within 7 or 8 years, rather than 20 years, which is what it would have been had hs2 carried on. okay look. >> hey, i suppose it's better than nothing . and there is this than nothing. and there is this £36 billion, i think it's better. >> i think it's a lot better solution, actually. >> and you know, pat mcfadden was looking very miserable there , as he usually does. but i'd like to remind pat mcfadden that actually the original hs2

proposal was very good. it originally was going to connect with paris and go into manchester, piccadilly and birmingham, new street, which would have made sense. >> instead, lord adonis, a labour transport minister , labour transport minister, totally redesigned it and redesigned it in such a way that it doesn't connect with any of those main stations and really is a bit of a white elephant. >> okay , now, michael, let's >> okay, now, michael, let's zoom out a little bit . zoom out a little bit. >> hs2, i'll be honest , i've zoom out a little bit. >> hs2, i'll be honest, i've had enough of it. okay, so there were some other issues. there were some other issues. there were some other issues. there were some other issues that took place at conservative party conference, which are going to be addressing later on the conference, which are going to be a one ssing later on the conference, which are going to be a one for|g later on the conference, which are going to be aone for me, later on the conference, which are going to be aone for me, we'veer on the conference, which are going to be aone for me, we've gotn the conference, which are going to be a one for me, we've got to he first one for me, we've got to get the language is get you on this. the language is suella you. she's suella braverman you. she's previously used invasion. she previously used an invasion. she spoke of mass spoke about a hurricane of mass migration, etcetera. are you bothered use of bothered by that? use of language you think most language or do you think most people it language or do you think most pe0|would it language or do you think most pe0|would use it it language or do you think most pe0|would use it themselves ? and would use it themselves? >> it's colourful language. >> look, let me absolutely >> look, let me be absolutely frank . i'm, >> look, let me be absolutely frank. i'm, you know, >> look, let me be absolutely frank . i'm, you know, very >> look, let me be absolutely frank. i'm, you know, very pinko on social issues . frank. i'm, you know, very pinko on social issues. i'm a patron

of the lgbt conservatives and i don't think she's either homophobic or sexist or or, you know, it's just excite fighting language. it's language that attracts attention. but i certainly don't think it's hateful language. not at all. >> no. that's obviously your your view on that. and i think as well, you know, these people potentially who do, oh, gosh, how come ? i'm outraged? i'm how come? i'm outraged? i'm absolutely outraged by what she said here. some people might argue, michael, why aren't you more outraged at the impending disintegration of society ? disintegration of society? >> well, precisely right . and, >> well, precisely right. and, you know, it does not work if you know, it does not work if you can't get to see a gp and it's because there are so many people moving into your area, it legally. we do have to tackle this problem now , as rishi sunak this problem now, as rishi sunak has pointed out, this problem now, as rishi sunak has pointed out , that because has pointed out, that because we've now got this deal with albania, we've managed to send back 10,000 people this year

back 10,000 people this year back to albania. and that's great. but we have to go further and we will go further and hopefully we will be allowed by the supreme court to fly people back to rwanda. and i share rishi's confidence that once these young people who've all got phones all follow, what's going on, they're not the aged and decrepit coming across to this country . once these young this country. once these young people realise they're going to be shipped off to rwanda or elsewhere, just like the albanians says, they won't come now. >> i mean, look, rishi sunak was strong on that. suella braverman has been strong on it. the criticism was levelled at them. of is, well, why of course, is, well, why didn't you are you mention the echr? why are you mention the echr? why are you quiet the echr ? >> well, he sort of did go on. >> well, he sort of did go on. >> he of did. and not many >> he sort of did. and not many journalists have picked up on this. and it was his this. and what it was in his speech, you rerun the speech, speech, if you rerun the speech, he he'll do anything it he said he'll do anything it takes anything to make sure that we can send these people back . we can send these people back. >> so, okay, you're the you're the second. yeah. you're the

second tory mp who's. come on to reliably assure me that that he was talking about the echr there without talking about it. i know for people i mean , look, we for people i mean, look, we respect mark. you know, this is we're staring down the barrel of an election at at some point relatively soon and yeah he's got to deliver i've said blindingly obvious. right. why isn't why he stand isn't why doesn't he just stand up say it? up there and say it? >> upset certain >> because he'll upset certain people in the conservative party as well as upsetting people in the labour party. look, at the end of day , we have got to end of the day, we have got to deliver what we say and i've said to rishi, i said it to him a couple of days ago, you know, we've to stop talking about we've got to stop talking about things. we've got to it things. we've got to deliver it and there's of good stuff and there's a lot of good stuff here speech. i mean, here in the speech. i mean, i've been i was been saying for years i was partly in the partly educated in the university southern partly educated in the universityin southern partly educated in the university in america 1 partly educated in the university in america , and kids california in america, and kids in america do five, six, seven subjects before they go to university . here we concentrate university. here we concentrate on just 2 or 3 of really pleased to see this initiative. what are

we calling it? the advanced british standards, the advanced british standards, the advanced british standards, the advanced british standards or whatever. >> there are five five subjects instead of three. yeah, absolutely . i instead of three. yeah, absolutely. i mean, instead of three. yeah, absolutely . i mean, the child absolutely. i mean, the child inside me is saying that you're not going to win the you're not going to win the youth vote without hey, maybe you without one. but, hey, maybe you will. you will. they will. maybe you will. if they end better educated , i end up being better educated, i don't to wait. don't know. we'll have to wait. see, very see, michael, thank you very much. fabricant, much. michael fabricant, thank you. the conservative mp you. that is the conservative mp for lichfield. what? for lichfield. you know what? i think rishi sunak's wife think that rishi sunak's wife could weapon and could be a secret weapon and maybe she should be wheeled out a bit often. i think that a bit more often. i think that was good she was quite a good move. she always comes rather well. always comes across rather well. i also think they could be making more of the fact making a lot more of the fact that they've come overtly that they've come out overtly now women defying , now in favour of women defying, saying clearly on numerous different occasions what a woman is that there's going to is saying, that there's going to be no women in female sorry, no men in female hospital wards, 40 years man in female years that no man in female prisons, know, if prisons, etcetera. you know, if they about they hammered that, that's about 50% population, isn't it? 50% of the population, isn't it? who and who could be signed up and voting women's rights voting on a women's rights ticket. but i'd be interesting to party do to see what the labour party do at their conference next week,

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isabel monday to thursdays from . six till 930 . . six till 930. is patrick christys on gb news 4:25. >> in a few minutes i'll look back on suella bravermans conference speech. she used the word hurricane of mass migration coming to this country. is she right to use language like that ? i suspect that many people will talk those terms will talk in those terms colloquially . what you make colloquially. what do you make of people who of the kind of people who are offended claim to offended or at least claim to be? are they the real be? are they missing the real issue? but we all know that the government send government wants to send migrants to rwanda now . it's migrants to rwanda now. it's also putting also looking at putting criminals, british criminals in pnsons criminals, british criminals in prisons . justice prisons abroad. justice secretary alex schalk revealed the plans in a speech to the conservative party conference. joining me now is former prison governor vanessa frake. vanessa, thank you very, very much. great to have you on the show. what is it worth about this idea then, that we're going do a deal

that we're going to do a deal with nation and we're with a third nation and we're going to put our prisoners in their jails? going to put our prisoners in theirjails? is going to put our prisoners in their jails? is that right ? their jails? is that right? >> well, it certainly sounds like it's workable, doesn't it? but but, you know, why don't we go the whole hog and start sending them back to australia ' 7 m. again? >> you know, this is absolutely unbeuev >> you know, this is absolutely unbeliev goal of this government, in my opinion . you government, in my opinion. you know, instead of addressing the actual problem was the fact that we're locking up around around 88,000 prisoners in this in the uk, including ireland, scotland and wales. >> um, no , once once our prisons >> um, no, once once our prisons are full, we're shipping them abroad. >> well, as anybody thought of the cost in this or the fact that prisoners are entitled to visits from families. >> so are we going to be paying families to go abroad to visit their loved ones? >> i mean, the cost is just incredible. >> instead of instead of that, why aren't we looking at the justice system in this country and finding out why we're locking up prisoners who have

mental health issues, prisoners who get locked up for a first non—violent offence for six months, do three months, you know, instead of doing their time serving their community. >> it's just ridiculous. >> it's just ridiculous. >> okay. so the government is saying the average prison sentence has increased by 57% since 2010. other sentencing changes have been made to ensure the most serious offenders spend longer behind bars. that's the government's line, they say, to meet this demand . and the meet this demand. and the government has embarked on the biggest prison expansion programme in over a century, including six new prisons , to including six new prisons, to create 20,000 more spaces. while it's chauke also said is he wants to, quote, explore the nonnegian model for want of a better phrase, and look at putting criminals in prisons overseas . if it's good enough overseas. if it's good enough for nonnay , why can't we do it? for nonnay, why can't we do it? well i think you have to you have to look at the fact that nonnay lock up a fraction of what we lock up.

>> we're not talking like 88,000. we're talking a couple of thousand here and there for nonnay, you know, it seems to me that, you know, we can't deal with our own, so we'll ship them out to somebody else to deal with. just seems madness . with. just seems madness. instead of looking at the root cause of the problem, why aren't we? >> we're just shipping them out of the country. >> it to just me, it just doesn't make any sense. apart from the cost that's going to be involved in it . involved in it. >> yeah, you say the root cause of the problem , i suppose. is it of the problem, i suppose. is it not easy maybe to go to places like the netherlands? excuse me, which is one of these countries apparently that other countries are so let's just assume are using. so let's just assume they decide to do it the they decide to do it in the netherlands to go and netherlands to go to them and go. right. apparently, have go. right. apparently, you have a of prisons. so can we a surplus of prisons. so can we lob load of these violent lob a load of these violent offenders over to you and we'll send them over to the lowlands over there. then it would to be deal with the issues such as fatherless homes or albanian

drug gangs. there's too many of . them. is it not easier just to go round? we're sending you to the netherlands . the netherlands. >> well, i don't i don't i don't think that i think we should deal with our own problems . deal with our own problems. >> don't i don't >> surely. i don't i don't understand that this mantra of like , passing it on to the like, passing it on to the netherlands. has anybody spoken to the netherlands ? to the netherlands? >> as you know, you know, before we start sending boatloads over over to, you know , holland, over to, you know, holland, i justi over to, you know, holland, i just i just think it's incredible. >> there's so many issues regarding this that that to my mind, practically and positively, the justice system in this country is broken and it needs fixing. it doesn't need just passing the buck to somebody else. >> i mean , we're almost >> i mean, we're almost definitely not going to be allowed to do this anyway , which allowed to do this anyway, which is why i'm kind of reporting on this with quite a big smile on my face because i can see this could famous last words. but could be famous last words. but i happening is we do do i can see happening is we do do a deal with the netherlands. we give tell

give them the money. we tell them it's happening, then we them it's happening, and then we go to people over there and go to fly people over there and they're runway we they're on the runway and we can't do it anymore. and lo and behold, we've just spent however many more billions it is. but vanessa, you very much. vanessa, thank you very much. vanessa, thank you very much. vanessa there, author, vanessa for right there, author, formerthis could well end up this is this could well end up just being another issue where they go, should we get out the echr do you think maybe we should out of echr foreign should get out of echr foreign judges stopping us from judges there stopping us from getting our our own getting rid of our our own criminals and then we won't do anything it? views anything about it? gb views at gb views loads still anything about it? gb views at gecomes loads still anything about it? gb views at gecome between oads still anything about it? gb views at gecome between now still anything about it? gb views at gecome between now and still anything about it? gb views at gecome between now and 5:00. to come between now and 5:00. talking echr after suella talking to the echr after suella braverman spoke about a hurricane migration and that hurricane of migration and that was coming to the uk. i will ask is the sort of language is this the sort of language that we want hear from the that we want to hear from the home people just home secretary? are people just pretending to be offended about it? to divert from the fact that maybe , just maybe, she's right? maybe, just maybe, she's right? but now, as the headlines were polly middlehurst. but now, as the headlines were polly middlehurst . patrick, polly middlehurst. patrick, thank you. >> will the top stories this houn >> will the top stories this hour. the prime minister has

confirmed today that the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. rishi sunak told the conservative party conference in manchester today that the £36 billion saved will be better off spent on other infrastructure projects in the north. the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, says the announcement is not a coherent plan . a is not a coherent plan. a corporate manslaughter investigation has begun following murders carried out by lucy letby, the 33 year old former nurse who killed seven babies and attempted to kill six others at the countess of chester hospital. senior leadership and decision makers will be investigated to determine whether or not any criminality has taken place. and a murder investigation has been launched after a dog believed to be an xl bully killed a 54 year old man in sunday island last night. a 44 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. the dog was destroyed at the scene. a second dog has been seized . those are the headlines.

seized. those are the headlines. more on all those stories by heading to our website , heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> gb news.com. >> well, pretty gbnews.com. >> well, pretty much this time yesterday i was speaking to nigel farage, who was absolutely scathing about suella braverman his conference speech, to say the least . but he wasn't the the least. but he wasn't the only one criticise the home only one to criticise the home secretary . the that secretary. so the language that she used has been condemned in some quarters. got to be some quarters. i've got to be honest i find honest with you, i find this faux maddening, faux outrage quite maddening, actually. if more actually. if you're more offended using the offended by somebody using the word hurricane you are word hurricane than you are about a housing shortage or not being able to get a gp's appointment, or maybe the loss of british culture, then i think you need to give your head a wobble. but anyway, here's what suella wobble. but anyway, here's what sueone wobble. but anyway, here's what sue one of the wobble. but anyway, here's what sueone of the most powerful >> one of the most powerful forces reshaping our world and is unprecedented mass migration . the wind of change that

carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared aired to the hurricane that is coming. it is labour that turbo charged their impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. i'm surprised that they didn't call it the criminal rights . act it the criminal rights. act >> yeah, there was quite a lot more of that. rishi sunak has reiterated his promise to stop the boats and clamp down on illegal migration as well. the prime minister said that although has made although the government has made progress there course progress, there is of course more done, stopping more to be done, like stopping the boats. many enter europe at the boats. many enter europe at the island of the small italian island of lampedusa. i wanted us to have a look now at this so called hurricane or a little bit of it. the tail wind of it, the suella braverman is talking about. all right. so it's from lampedusa that our homeland security editor, mark wire, has sent us this very special report a week

after more than 11,000 migrants arrived on this tiny italian island , we watched as the final island, we watched as the final batch of 101, mainly young men from sub—saharan africa left to board a ferry to the italian mainland . mainland. >> and authorities here took advantage of several days of bad weather in the med to clear the decks ahead of the next surge of migrant arrivals . it is decks ahead of the next surge of migrant arrivals. it is a seemingly never ending cycle in the mass movement of people across this sea . lampedusa's across this sea. lampedusa's geographical location. closer to north africa than italy puts it on the front line of europe's growing migrant crisis . but many growing migrant crisis. but many of the 6000 residents here say they feel forgotten, ovennhelmed by the constant arrivals with little concrete action from europe's politicians , the

europe's politicians, the italian red cross run the main migrant reception centre on lampedusa . they've been drafting lampedusa. they've been drafting in additional support to deal with the next surge in arrivals . the chaos of the last surge still fresh in their minds, where at 1.7 thousand people were crammed into this compound, many clashing with police as they tried to leave serena, cornelia said the volunteers here felt powerless to help. >> more difficult to give the support. but we try to give food, give, kid, give psychological support and health support. so we have tried to take care of all the people inside the centre . inside the centre. >> there are real concerns here on lampedusa that the tourist trade, the lifeblood of this island community, could begin to dry “p island community, could begin to dry up if a solution isn't found

to the crisis. you don't have to look far for evidence of its impact here near the entrance to the port, a migrant boat lies beached on the rocks , a gaping beached on the rocks, a gaping hole in its hull. the beached on the rocks, a gaping hole in its hull . the personal hole in its hull. the personal belongings of its human cargo hanging over the sides . inside hanging over the sides. inside the harbour, dozens of other migrant boats that made it here in recent days lie tied up, awaiting removal. many still full of tire inner tubes used by the migrants as makeshift life jackets further along the quay side, fishermen unload the last of their catch for local restaurants . they the winds that restaurants. they the winds that have kept the migrant boats away for several days have also forced these fishermen back to port giacomo. mino says the migrant boats are severely impacting their livelihood .

impacting their livelihood. >> so when we encounter a migrant boat, we call the authorities, they tell us to wait, not to do anything . wait, not to do anything. >> then the coastguard arrives or the police patrol. >> but it means we're financially ruined. >> it's a mess. >> it's a mess. >> our work is badly affected. >> our work is badly affected. >> it's too much . >> it's too much. >> it's too much. >> unlike the vast majority of african migrants who want to head to mainland europe , talaat head to mainland europe, talaat diouf has made a life for himself here. the senegalese national says the huge flow of fellow migrants onto this island is simply unsustainable . for, is simply unsustainable. for, say , the government must find say, the government must find a solution as quickly as possible because the island has 6300 inhabitants. >> then if 11,000 of my brothers come, it's a big problem. we have to find a solution quickly because nothing will be done until next summer. >> for now, these migrants are

headed for the mainland. but this is not just an italian problem . it's a europe wide problem. it's a europe wide crisis , as many here will crisis, as many here will eventually head north, some to the coast of north—west france and onto another boat, this time across the english channel. mark white gb news on lampedusa . white gb news on lampedusa. >> right. okay. so i think that's a bit of context, isn't it, in light of the kind of thing that suella braverman was talking about? joined by talking about? i'm joined now by gb senior political gb news, a senior political commentator, nelson. nigel commentator, nigel nelson. nigel thank you very, very much. words like hurricane. what's wrong with that? i would argue that if you lined up all of the boats that we receive across the engush that we receive across the english in the space of english channel in the space of a couple of months and set them all the same time, it all off at the same time, it probably look like an probably would look like an invasion. well well the invasion. well well and the trouble words like trouble with using words like hurricane, was hurricane, i'd rather it was just used used for wind rather than for migration. >> the difficulty is that what

what suella braverman was doing yesterday was was provoke fear and prejudice. yesterday was was provoke fear and prejudice . yes. and prejudice. yes. >> and that's that's what's wrong with the language that she was using. >> i mean, there were other other bits in her speech which were taken exception to could i could could i ask you now, just quickly on that, are you are quickly on that, are you not are you afraid? you not afraid? >> of us >> are you not afraid of us having a massive housing crisis 7 having a massive housing crisis ? the total disintegration of our public services and our national culture. >> well, but but it's not going to happen . to happen. >> i mean, one of the things she said was millions of migrants might be coming to our shores thatis might be coming to our shores that is not going to happen. millions of migrants won't be coming to our shores. >> and we had 1.2 million last year. yean >> well, what we had we had that was legal migration. >> and the reason that they came here, partly it was to do with ukrainians and hong kongers . ukrainians and hong kongers. >> the others were to do with people filling jobs over here.

>> so . so they were actually invited. >> do you understand what she's getting at? which is that every single to be single year there's going to be something whether something. so whether it's another conflict in sudan, whether africa , you know, whether africa, you know, there's another military coup somewhere africa, whether somewhere in africa, whether there's another humanitarian crisis , whether or not there's crisis, whether or not there's something to do with the environment somewhere, there's always something, always going to be something, isn't there? and i think it's right to be fearful of that . i right to be fearful of that. i mean, is it not fair to say that people using language, saying things like everything's fine? that's just lies ? that's just lies? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and everything is not fine . >> and everything is not fine. >> and everything is not fine. >> and everything is not fine. >> and you're absolutely right. there will be more migration rather than less . climate change rather than less. climate change is going to is to going cause more. >> but if there's any hurricane blowing, it's blowing, blowing in all directions across the world. >> it's not heading our way. so you've got 4 million migrants in turkey who are who are being housed in refugee camps there. in fact, they're not migrants. >> they're refugees. >> they're refugees. >> they're refugees. >> the same thing you've got in

neighbouring country , in the neighbouring country, in the middle east. so it's not actually all heading towards britain , which was the britain, which was the impression that suella braverman was was giving yesterday and that was purely part of her campaign to take the tory leadership . leadership. >> okay. so you saw that as kind of a naked attempt to try to clean up in the post. rishi sunak era, if indeed that ever comes. of course . and is she not comes. of course. and is she not correct, though , by saying that correct, though, by saying that the human rights act actually is used as a screen by a lot of criminals to get what they want? >> well , no. i criminals to get what they want? >> well, no. i mean, criminals to get what they want? >> well , no. i mean, when you >> well, no. i mean, when you say when you say the human rights act, that we're signed up to human rights conventions, both the un and the european convention on human rights . convention on human rights. >> so we sign up to these things because that is part of british values. >> that is what we believe in. >> that is what we believe in. >> now , there may be loopholes, >> now, there may be loopholes, there may be things that need to be tidied up and i think suella braverman is right to say we should we should look at the

refugee convention again , refugee convention again, because some some of it may not because some some of it may not be fit for purpose in the present day , but it doesn't mean present day, but it doesn't mean we abandon all human rights. and again , in her speech, i don't again, in her speech, i don't think that's what she's talking. >> you see, this is the thing. i don't that's what she's don't think that's what she's talking it? you know, talking about, is it? you know, she clearly raising she she she clearly is raising issues that. are issues like that. there are a huge amount of people, millions of possibly hundreds of of people possibly hundreds of millions under the millions of people who under the current definition of what a refugee could just could refugee is, could just could just turn up in britain or in europe . and they do want to come europe. and they do want to come to europe because europe is better than vast swathes of africa and the middle east. so they're not going go to they're not going to go to somewhere same or somewhere that's the same or worse, they're worse, are they? so they're going here. that's going to come here. so that's that's . that a that's obvious. that is a statement absolute fact. statement of absolute fact. okay. if they can come okay. and then if they can come here and stay here without the definition changing and they'll be that the un has said they're not going to change the definition. so that's not happening, it? so what's she happening, is it? so what's she lying what's she trying lying about? what's she trying to stoke up fear about? isn't she just looking ahead? we talk

about long term planning, don't we? long term . we? she's looking long term. >> yeah, but the whole thing is that asylum seekers are asylum seekers because they're fleeing persecution , action or threat to persecution, action or threat to their lives . their lives. >> everyone else, well , i mean, >> everyone else, well, i mean, there were confusing legal migration with illegal migrants an i'm sorry , i'm not confusing an i'm sorry, i'm not confusing it. >> and i actually really don't think, nigel, that the vast majority of british people are confused ng illegal migration with it . they know it when they with it. they know it when they see it. and that's what we're looking at. >> well, yeah, but. sorry, patrick which is which , which patrick which is which, which you were talking about. about the number of people who came here last year through legal routes and they came here because in effect, we invited them here. then we're talking about about people crossing the channel in the small boats that is something that quite rightly needs to be stopped. but there are two different things . the

are two different things. the whole point of our immigration policy is to take the people we need for the british economy and exclude people who are just coming here for economic reasons , ones that we don't particularly want. but all that, all that is actually set out now, there is no there isn't an issue with that. the issue is with boats crossing the channel and how we stop them . and how we stop them. >> okay, nigel, thank you very, very much as ever. nigel nelson gb news is senior political commentator. just reacting there to some of the language and whether or not there's any substance behind etcetera. substance behind it, etcetera. now, i don't want to scare you, do i? but apparently terrorists could now hack into driverless cars and use them to launch attacks . they're not my words, attacks. they're not my words, obviously. it's a bit of research that's been carried out. i'm going to out out. i'm going to find out whether any truth whether or not there's any truth to patrick christys to it shortly. patrick christys gebens .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . welcome back. news is. welcome back. >> it's 449. you're watching or listening to me. patrick christys at gb news now at 5 pm. i will have more reaction to rishi sunak's big tory conference speech . i'm asking conference speech. i'm asking whether or not you think a whether or not you think he's a winner where do you winner or a loser. where do you stand that? but look, here's stand on that? but look, here's a stark warning for us all, okay? just i'd okay? i just thought i'd highlight bring highlight this to you. i'd bring this attention briefly. this to your attention briefly. terrorists into terrorists could hack into driverless cars and use them to commit attacks. now look, when you read the word , could an

you read the word, could an introduction or a headline to a story, you should treat that with a massive pinch of salt. but this is particularly worrying, though, when you remember have remember that we could have self—driving on our self—driving vehicles on our roads in less than two years time. i'm going to go into a bit more detail on this in the next houn more detail on this in the next hour. what hour. but apparently what they're that because they're saying is that because of nature of these of the nature of these the technology involved, you technology that's involved, you know, authorities, know, nefarious authorities, whether it's the chinese or the russian government or indeed just just terrorists in general, could actually hack into your car use it as a weapon. but car and use it as a weapon. but this isn't just some kind of like document that's come like quack document that's come out. the local government out. no, the local government association's crime association's future crime horizon scan. so, you know , it's horizon scan. so, you know, it's good have come out and said this there was a particular concern about driverless vehicles automated are set to appear automated cars are set to appear on britain's streets from 2025 deep fake images created by artificial intelligence shared on social media could even be used to circumvent that facial recognition security. essentially, this is another example, another worry about technology erg developing much

quicker than human beings can actually be able to deal with it. and when you think about the keyless and it. and when you think about the keylncatastrophic and it. and when you think about the keylncatastrophic wrong and it. and when you think about the keylncatastrophic wrong that's how catastrophic wrong that's gone for some people, i mean, that was literally a gift wrapped present, wasn't it, for thieves , for car thieves, thieves, for car thieves, essentially, they could just nick your car without having to do so, yes, i do have do anything. so, yes, i do have some concerns. but watch this space. moving on from that, space. but moving on from that, the good news for prince andrew is that he's being allowed to stay which set stay in his home, which is set in good for him. the in 98 acres. good for him. the bad news, he's going to to bad news, he's going to have to find order to do find £2 million in order to do it apparently i'm joined now it up. apparently i'm joined now by commentator rich by royal commentator rich fitzwilliams. richard, doesn't prince have £2 million prince andrew have £2 million down back couch where down the back of the couch where all you see? >> i'm not surprised is that he's staying there because firstly, we must remember that king charles asked his ex—wife , king charles asked his ex—wife, sarah ferguson, who was there with him for christmas . and as with him for christmas. and as you know, she was very ill earlier in the year. and also so there is i mean, andrew has to

stay some where to be sure . stay some where to be sure. there apparently reportedly a lot of repairs required, but equally worth remembering that he got a 75 year lease on this property , royal lodge, in 2003. property, royal lodge, in 2003. now now, if one believes as what one reads, sarah ferguson last year bought a £5 million. so it was reported in mayfair and also there's the sale of the chalet. again, reports that talking about £19 million in switzerland that andrew and sarah shared . that andrew and sarah shared. now, however, that is being being divided in that i don't know . but there's no question know. but there's no question that it isn't just andrew's 250 zero zero £0 that he's supposed he gets from king charles, that

that has been reduced. this would cause a crisis. there's obviously, from what i can understand and quite a lot of money around and i'm not surprised at all that the press speculation about a moving out is not proven correct . yeah. is not proven correct. yeah. >> okay. yeah. i don't think he's going anytime soon. and also as well, it must be said, it wouldn't be that unusual for somebody who's an aristocrat to live in a relatively dilapidated but massive house. so it's not uncommon at all. loads of them do. there are loads of people actually, who members of the aristocracy who haven't that aristocracy who haven't got that much in fact, much money. in fact, they're quite of quite skin. they've just kind of asset rich in that sense. but richard, thank you very, very much. out time, much. we are bang out of time, i'm afraid. richard fitzwilliams, is a royal fitzwilliams, there is a royal commentator. only time i've commentator. the only time i've got, of course, is for you. wonderful people or on wonderful people at home or on your or watching your radio or watching us online. to delve into online. i'm going to delve into the terrifying world of my inbox, gb views and gbnews.com. a lot of interaction here about the language of suella braverman used and whether or not she was right to say things like hurricane previously on

hurricane or previously on invasion. where i stand. it invasion. look where i stand. it is pretty obvious if you did happen line all of the happen to line up all of the boats setting from boats that were setting off from calais period and boats that were setting off from cal.them period and boats that were setting off from cal.them off period and boats that were setting off from cal.them off at period and boats that were setting off from cal.them off at samed and boats that were setting off from cal.them off at same time , set them off at the same time, would look a little bit would it not look a little bit like invasion? so it like an invasion? so is it beyond beyond pale to beyond is it beyond the pale to call such? i'm sick call it as such? i'm sick to death the offended death of the offended brigade. no this no name on this one. this rational , this rationale. sorry. rational, this rationale. sorry. it's consistently brought into play it's consistently brought into play when they have no rational counter argument, they go on to say that they agree about the use of language of invasion, hurricane people will be heading our way . unfortunately, our way. unfortunately, globally, suella is alone on this, but politically, she's now gathering support. the ovennhelming majority of views in the inbox gbviews@gbnews.com because of course that they are in favour of suella bravermans use of language. other people would have undoubtedly find it quite offensive. but there we go.the quite offensive. but there we go. the prime minister has confirmed that the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. he says it's a courageous decision , but labour say it's a tory fiasco. who's right, who's wrong ? patrick christys gb news, britain's news channel

>> good afternoon, i'm alex deakin . this is your latest deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a bit of a north south split with the weather today de wet for parts of scotland and northern ireland. england ireland. most of england and wales of wales dry under the influence of high pressure further north. weather fronts draping their way and bringing a soggy feel to much of central southern scotland and the north of northern ireland. that rainy zone lingering well into the evening, perhaps we'll see some wet weather into the far north of england. much of northern scotland actually turning dry and clear . and here it'll and clear. and here it'll actually turn a little chilly with temperatures well into with temperatures well down into single for much of the single figures for much of the rest of the uk, temperatures holding double digits as holding up in double digits as we start thursday. then with quite cloud, certainly quite a lot of cloud, certainly for wales north—west for north wales, north—west england, there'll be some outbreaks rain and drizzle outbreaks of rain and drizzle for northern ireland going to turn pretty morning turn into a pretty soggy morning fairly the moving fairly quickly. the rain moving in here and then into in here and then pushing into western scotland as well. the winds will start to increase. so turning wet windy across turning wet and windy across north as north wales as well as north—west england, northern ireland bit

ireland actually turning a bit drier through afternoon. drier through the afternoon. southern and eastern parts of england, dry and bright. england, mostly dry and bright. a sunshine could poke a bit of sunshine could poke through that'll see through and that'll see temperatures 19 degrees temperatures up to 19 degrees elsewhere . we're in the elsewhere. we're in the mid—teens best. weather mid—teens at best. weather fronts continue to bring further rain across north—west scotland. that cause some issues by that could cause some issues by the time get to weekend. that could cause some issues by the further get to weekend. that could cause some issues by the further south,) weekend. that could cause some issues by the further south, look weekend. that could cause some issues by the further south, look atekend. that could cause some issues by the further south, look at thisid. but further south, look at this temperature the high temperature is on the rise. high pressure moving in. a lot of fine weather as we head into the weekend for and wales. weekend for england and wales. and weekend and temperatures this weekend could mid 20s

>> it's 5 pm. it's patrick christys , it's gb news and it's christys, it's gb news and it's been all go at the conservative party conference. and in politics in general. rishi sunak is he a winner or a loser for you after the last couple of days, it culminated in a big, big speech. however this guy was making a lot of noise. nigel farage yes, that's right. could he the tory leader? do he be the next tory leader? do you he'll really join the you think he'll really join the conservative party? of conservative party? a load of tory say, conservative party? a load of torjwant say, conservative party? a load of torjwant you say, conservative party? a load of torjwant you back. say, conservative party? a load of torjwant you back. one say, conservative party? a load of torjwant you back. one even say, conservative party? a load of torjwant you back. one even said we want you back. one even said they'd get their hands and they'd get on their hands and knees him to join the knees and beg him to join the conservative party . there's a conservative party. there's a massive issue taking place at the moment, which is whether or not actually not the tories are actually going to connect with their base or are they too afraid of losing people to say, the liberal democrats, etcetera . that is a democrats, etcetera. that is a problem, especially as we look ahead party ahead to the labour party conference which we will be covering next week. but it's not just all politics. no, that's right. there's the story as well for you. would arrest

for you. would you arrest a shoplifter if you saw that crime taking place yourself ? taking place yourself? apparently that's actually on the table now. i think he's rather dangerous, if you ask me . have a go, heroes. it's not the right way to go. patrick christys gb news is . yes, i am christys gb news is. yes, i am also going to be taking to task those people who claim to be offended by suella bravermans choice of language . stay tuned choice of language. stay tuned for that. vaiews@gbnews.com. but right now it's your headunes but right now it's your headlines with polly . patrick. headlines with polly. patrick. >> thank you and good evening to you. well, the main news today is that the prime minister has confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. speaking after weeks of speculation, rishi sunak told the conservative party conference in manchester that he's ready to make tough decisions for the country . he's defended the move country. he's defended the move as well , saying the money will

as well, saying the money will be better spent developing projects in the north and the midlands, hs2 will still run from euston in central london, but current manager moment will no longer be responsive symbol for the site . for the site. >> we will reinvest every single penny. £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. this means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation. well the former prime minister, david cameron , has criticised david cameron, has criticised the announcement this afternoon, saying that a once in a generation opportunity has now been lost and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, says the new investment plan doesn't create a coherent network. >> when money is given to projects. >> you you want to support those projects . but the question is do projects. but the question is do they form a coherent at

transport plan? because if you to make the most out of investment, you've got to make sure it all it all knits together and it makes a coherent network. and i don't think this plan does that . they've plan does that. they've localised what was a coherent plan and we've now got to try and kind of make sense of the good bits and work together with other mayors and leaders across the north to turn into the north to turn it into something actually something that will actually work us. andy burnham well, work for us. andy burnham well, also in his speech today , the also in his speech today, the prime minister reaffirmed his commitment to stop small boats crossing the english channel. >> our new law will ensure that if you come here illegally , you if you come here illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed. now, i am confident that once flights start going regularly to rwanda, the boats will stop coming . just look at will stop coming. just look at how our returns agreement with albania has seen the numbers coming from there. fall by 90. i am confident that our approach complies with our international obugafions

complies with our international obligations , but know this obligations, but know this i will do whatever is necessary to stop the boats . stop the boats. >> and there is a raft of other policies announced in the keynote speech too. it lasted nearly an hour on education. the prime minister saying he'll bnng prime minister saying he'll bring together a—levels and t levels to create a new advanced british standard, with students studying five separate subjects. he also said he'd bring fonnard measures to restrict the availability of vapes to children, and he proposed raising the smoking age as well, away from conference. in other news today , the countess of news today, the countess of chester hospital is now under investigation for corporate manslaughter. it follows lucy letby murder convictions. the former nurse jailed for life after killing seven babies and attempting to murder six others attempting to murder six others at the hospital neonatal unit, cheshire constabulary confirmed it's focusing on the period between june 2015 and 2016. it

says it's considering investigating areas, including clearly leadership, to determine whether any criminality had taken place . a british army taken place. a british army investigation believes a 19 year old soldier took her own life after relentless sexual harassment by one of her bosses a , harassment by one of her bosses , a royal artillery gunner. jaisli beck was found dead at larkhill camp in wiltshire in december 2021. a report describes an intense period of unwelcome behaviour towards her and says it's almost certain this was a causal factor in her death and a murder investigation has been launched after a dog believed to be an xl bully killed a man in sunderland last night. police responded to calls just before 7:00 following reports a dog had injured a 54 year old, a 44 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of murder. the dog was destroyed at the scene. a second dog has been seized . and a sixth person

been seized. and a sixth person has been arrested in connection with the crooked house pub fire in staffordshire . a 23 year old in staffordshire. a 23 year old man from leicestershire was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit arson with intent. he's been released on conditional bail while the police investigation continues for men and a woman were previously arrested in connection with the fire that destroyed the iconic pub last august . this company, destroyed the iconic pub last august. this company, gb destroyed the iconic pub last august . this company, gb news, august. this company, gb news, has sacked laurence fox and calvin robinson. they were both suspended last week after the actor turned politician made on air comments about the journalist ava evans. in a separate development today, the reclaim party leader was arrested shortly after he posted arrested shortly after he posted a video on social media saying his house was being searched by police. in a statement , scotland police. in a statement, scotland yard said a 45 year old man is being questioned on suspicion of conspiring to commit criminal damage on ulez cameras . this is

damage on ulez cameras. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> suella braverman has got serious guts to come out and say what she says. and i think that people clutching their pearls and claiming to be outraged by her use of language are frankly pathetic. a hurricane in that's what she called the incoming onslaught of human traffic that every single person with eyes in their head can see is coming to europe and the west over the course of the next decade or so . okay. are you more worried about the word hurricane or the fact that society, as we know it is probably going to completely disintegrate ? she's previously disintegrate? she's previously used the word invasion to describe what's going on in the channel. now, i think that word is a lot more on the nose, isn't

it? but let's be honest, if you lined up a year's worth of small boats packed with people, mostly young men, and set them off from calais at exactly the same time, well, would look a heck of well, it would look a heck of a lot an invasion, wouldn't lot like an invasion, wouldn't it? she said that the human rights should called rights act should be called the criminal act. well, criminal rights act. well, obviously we need human rights. but she's correct in the sense that criminals have used human rights legislation as a shield to keep themselves in britain . to keep themselves in britain. in some cases, they've gone along to commit further crimes. and yes , it can be exploited and so, yes, it can be exploited by villains. that's true. it's happened.she by villains. that's true. it's happened. she said that labour want open borders. all right. that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? but what she's really saying is if you think it's bad now, wait till you see how it wait till you see how bad it gets under labour . would gets under labour. you would never see a home secretary come out and say the things that suella says and no doubt many people will be thinking, i don't like the results that are being delivered right now, but at least to do something. least she wants to do something. she absolutely spot on about she was absolutely spot on about the luxury police brigade.

absolute spot on. there are so many people who just bumble about their lives wilfully ignonng about their lives wilfully ignoring the news or what's going on around them. it's also a solid group of people who've managed to do very well for themselves, often i find through no great personal genius of their own and live a life totally secluded and sheltered from the problems that their foe worthy dinner party luvvie beliefs actually cause to ordinary people. their kids are at private school and they can afford to keep sending them there. even with a hike in vat, they own a property they might even own two. they have private health care. they live in a predominant white area. they can pick and choose where they go on houday pick and choose where they go on holiday and everything is comfortable . all they actually comfortable. all they actually hate places like stoke and think everybody there is subhuman scum . they think the people of doncaster are vermin and that the residents of keighley are zoo animals. if they're being honest, they actually hate it and are repulsed by most other

people. they're not nice , people. they're not nice, they're not kind, and they don't actually care about you or this country. she made a point about institutions being completely captured by socialist or quite radical left leaning groups , and radical left leaning groups, and she's almost definitely right about that. any sector of society that is heavily unionised probably leans to the left. i mean, it was ever thus, wasn't it? and when i interviewed doctors about why they go on strike, we'll start talking about pay. and then before, you know it, they're talking about tory, this tory that. talking about tory, this tory that . we spent this much talking about tory, this tory that. we spent this much on talking about tory, this tory that . we spent this much on the that. we spent this much on the coronation boris broke lockdown rules and it becomes political, doesn't it? it veers away from the core issue of pay and conditions and becomes about hating the government and anybody to the right of tony blair. so no, suella says that stuff out loud. i think that's pretty good. i really do. but the enormous elephant in the room was , is how is she going to room was, is how is she going to do anything about any of that stuff? and do anything about any of that stuff ? and can do anything about any of that stuff? and can she will she be

allowed to? i look at suella. i listen to what she says and i don't really see or hear a woman who i think wants to stay in the echr. but she's not saying that , is she? it doesn't seem like she's allowed to say it . i like she's allowed to say it. i like her and i think that a lot of her and i think that a lot of her critics live in complete denial and pretend to be outraged by what she says, because that's easier than admitting that somebody who , for admitting that somebody who, for what it's worth, also happens to be an ethnic minority, holds genuine conservative views and is right about a lot of stuff. but she is in government and talking is one thing. doing is another . well, that's what another. well, that's what i think i want to hear from you. email me gb views. gbnews.com but it was rishi or was it? rishi is rallying cry or the prime minister's last stand today. his party conference speech received rapturous applause. educate nation

secretary gillian keegan. even shed a few tears. maybe she just saw her latest energy bill. but his announcement that the hs2 northern leg has been scrapped has received a mixed reception from his own party and we've just got this reaction from the tory mayor of west midlands, andy street . andy street. >> so obviously very >> so obviously i'm very disappointed that he announced that today. as you know, i fought for it to be maintained. i think fought hard valiantly on behalf of my region . so of behalf of my region. so of course, disappointed. but remember, the line is going to run from euston to handsacre, where it will join the west coast main line. so compared to what could have happened this is a good compromise position . a good compromise position. >> okay . there were less >> okay. there were less contentious parts of the speech . the pm declared his wish to make britain a smoke free generation by raising the smoking age by one year every year. smoking age by one year every year . why? i've just asked why . year. why? i've just asked why. but there we go. he also made his position clear on how a woman is defined and hit home. the message that he was planning for the long term , like banning

for the long term, like banning people from smoking long term. but anyway, we've got reaction to sunak speech from two cabinet ministers , claire coutinho and ministers, claire coutinho and first kemi badenoch. >> so first of all, we can't be distracted by people who are on the sidelines disgruntled . we've the sidelines disgruntled. we've got to listen to what the people in this room are saying, not the people who don't want to be in this room. and the fact is the prime minister has stood up there and something is prime minister has stood up therebrave. something is prime minister has stood up therebrave. he something is prime minister has stood up therebrave. he somiweng is very brave. he said. we have been looking at the wrong things for 30 years. lots of different parties, different politicians . parties, different politicians. turns have been making decisions for short term. he's making for the short term. he's making them for long term. them for the long term. what he announced today is going to deliver for not just for tomorrow decades to tomorrow but for decades to come. those three poly policies are going to change people's lives for good. and that's why i'm really proud . i'm not i'm i'm really proud. i'm not i'm not not going to get into not i'm not going to get into the details of the which station is going to have what network north is changing something. it's changing one simple project into one that delivers for people all across the north of

the uk. >> well , look, i the uk. >> well, look, i think the uk. >> well , look, i think the >> well, look, i think the really important thing to remember is that actually post—covid, the way that people are using the trains has completely changed. >> so if you look at the legs of hs2 that he's talked about shifting into the network north programme, actually people haven't come back to that train line in the way that we thought. so in terms of business travel, because of things like we because of things like zoom, we know way know post—pandemic. the way people doing has people are doing business has changed. recovered changed. that hasn't recovered in we had thought in the way that we had thought it before the pandemic . it would before the pandemic. and all of those changes that have across society. have happened across society. see, we're going see, so now what we're going to do spend every penny do is spend every single penny that was going to spent in that was going to be spent in the north terms and the north in terms of hs2 and the north in terms of hs2 and the midlands. the north in terms of hs2 and the midlands . every single penny the midlands. every single penny is invested in those is being invested in those areas. but into a programme of transport which is going to make a difference people, a real difference to people, which the way that they which reflects the way that they are travelling now . are travelling now. >> okay. right. me now >> okay. right. joining me now is gb news political editor christopher hope. christopher, thank you . so concludes thank you. so thus concludes a conservative party conference. the last one probably before the

next general election. hs2 kind of stole the headlines a little bit, but rishi sunak's overall departure, do you think in terms of from that, is he left in better shape than he arrived? is what i'm getting at badly. >> i think so, patrick. i think yet again we saw the division between grassroots party members and him. there's not a lot of love for him in the room. i think they respect him, but there's yet the membership there's not yet the membership i've to or been amongst i've spoken to or been amongst this week aren't yet in love with him the same way they they could have. i think liz truss has of visceral has a kind of visceral attraction of them attraction to some of them because least because they vote, not least because they vote, not least because for her be because they voted for her to be prime and leader before because they voted for her to be prinwas and leader before because they voted for her to be prinwas out leader before because they voted for her to be prinwas out leemps. efore because they voted for her to be prinwas out leemps. ande she was kicked out by mps. and we the support we saw, of course the support for our colleague nigel farage when the conference when he visited the conference last journalist last few days as a journalist with they want to see with us. so they want to see more of the kind of what is sunak believe in, i think and we haven't really seen that more of the operational stuff, big, long term rid term planning, getting rid of these we these three a—levels that we took, them five took, replacing them with five different . in ten years

different exams. in ten years time long term, then again, the hs2, 10 billion spending all this money on these new new developments around the north—west and the north of england and outside of london. that's the idea behind it. but i think i'm not sure that leaving here more more in love with him than before. patrick, if you asked me that question, yeah, no , look, thank you. >> thank you for that. christopher you very christopher and thank you very much, by the way. and congratulations genuinely on everything over everything that you've done over the course of that conference. i think a personal think yesterday, a personal highlight was thank you. you you physically down a physically hunting down a protester and then being turfed out of the conference during that during that time. so going above beyond for our above and beyond for our viewers, going above viewers, patrick, going above and for gb news viewers , and beyond for gb news viewers, christopher hope news christopher hope there gb news political and what political editor. and yeah, what do of this business of do you make of this business of long term, long term solutions and that ? long term, long term solutions and that? haven't we long term, long term solutions and that ? haven't we got and all of that? haven't we got quite a lot short term , very quite a lot of short term, very immediate going on at the immediate crises going on at the moment? i'm not against bit of moment? i'm not against a bit of long planning, the long term planning, but the cynic in me say that this cynic in me might say that this is a way ignoring some of the

is a way of ignoring some of the problems that we've got at the moment and then not dealing with them and maybe not being around in ten time to say, ah, in ten years time to say, ah, see, we haven't achieved anything would anything that i said we would achieve. but that's, that's just the cynic in me. i'm joined achieve. but that's, that's just theformer n me. i'm joined achieve. but that's, that's just theformer n me. mp i'm joined achieve. but that's, that's just theformer n me. mp simonned by former labour mp simon danczuk. . thank danczuk. simon thank you. thank you much. well, look, there you very much. well, look, there were quite few elements to were quite a few elements to this. conference. first and this. this conference. first and foremost, braverman foremost, suella braverman talking on talking a massive game on immigration, calling it a hurricane, and people just pretending to be offended by that. at least wants to do that. at least she wants to do something. labour something. she says labour want open . open borders. >> think she's playing >> yeah, i think she's playing a really game actually. >> yeah, i think she's playing a reaiiy game actually. >> yeah, i think she's playing a reaii think game actually. >> yeah, i think she's playing a reaii think between actually. >> yeah, i think she's playing a reaii think between herally. >> yeah, i think she's playing a reaii think between her and >> i think between her and sunak, i think they've played this really well and it was interesting to hear christopher this really well and it was interestalkto hear christopher this really well and it was interestalk aboutr christopher this really well and it was interestalk about the ristopher this really well and it was interestalk about the feeling r hawke talk about the feeling within the room, the feeling at conference, grass roots not conference, the grass roots not being that supportive of sunak . being that supportive of sunak. >> but i've been attending political conferences for over 30 years and what happens in the room is much less relevant than the optics outside the room. >> so the general public are observing this in much smaller doses than what christopher is. and the reality is they will see braverman talking tough on

immigration and welcoming it. they'll see sunak today making tough, strong decisions, challenge , urging labour to do challenge, urging labour to do something different, to contradict what he's proposed . contradict what he's proposed. >> and that's where he's doing some smart politics. the government have started , and i government have started, and i have to say, started doing some smart politics. >> so just to finish off there, sunakis >> so just to finish off there, sunak is challenging labour to contradict what he's proposing on hs2. on net zero, on immigration, and he will take these things to a vote in parliament and labour. starmer will either back him or fight against it. >> no, i think you make a good point there. actually a series of very good points genuinely, which the conservative which is that the conservative lives now i wonder if they've outmanoeuvred labour. so as we understand it, there's going to be votes or a series of votes on net zero related stuff in the house of commons which could potentially force labour into a position where they're having to vote might make position where they're having to vot(poorest might make position where they're having to vot(poorest in might make position where they're having to vot(poorest in societyjht make position where they're having to vot(poorest in society poorer, e the poorest in society poorer, quicker , weaker. okay, that's quicker, weaker. okay, so that's a obviously yeah. the

a problem. obviously yeah. the immigration thing. what immigration side of thing. what is plan? they're is labour's plan? they're saying, to saying, well, close to cooperation europe , cooperation with europe, basically based the fact basically based around the fact that a less brexity that we are a less brexity party. okay. but there's not much substance there. can you now see maybe for the first time the idea of the tories winning the idea of the tories winning the next election? >> well, i've always said that it will be a very close call, that it it will be a very close call, thatitis it will be a very close call, that it is possible for the conservatives to win very conservatives to win by a very small majority . and i've always small majority. and i've always said that always thought it. small majority. and i've always saiiandt always thought it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, always thought it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, ialways thought it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, i think, thought it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, i think, takes ht it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, i think, takes it it. small majority. and i've always saiiand this, i think, takes it a:. >> and this, i think, takes it a step further. let's be clear about this sunaks back is against the wall and he has had no choice but to come out fighting . fighting. >> he those contenders >> he silenced those contenders that were that were at parliament. >> many of them who i admire, priti patel, braverman . priti patel, braverman. >> et cetera. >> et cetera. >> so he silenced them with that speech today. >> but most importantly, his strategy is to challenge labour on where they are at. >> and yeah, yeah, that's. >> and yeah, yeah, that's. >> and yeah, yeah, that's. >> and he's already closed the gap in the opinion polls over net zero is closed it to ten,

ten points you know, so it's getting closer to business as well . well. >> now, you know i, it's a waste of money and it's embarrassing . of money and it's embarrassing. and it was a terrible project . and it was a terrible project. okay. there's no getting around that. but but i think people the vast majority of people will get over that quite quickly when they see £36 billion for the rest of the north. and the east, which is, i think what a lot of people kind of wanted in the first place. so i don't see that being a massive problem the being a massive problem at the ballot box. i've always been a supporter of hs2. >> i thought should be built. >> i thought it should be built. but point that it's running, but the point that it's running, the running out the costs are just running out of and the people who of control. and the people who are a are saying sunak is making a mistake , whether it's gordon mistake, whether it's gordon brown, johnson , osborne, cameron brown, johnson, osborne, cameron . well, but yeah, these are the people who've let the costs run out of control. the highest paid pubuc out of control. the highest paid public sector employee in the country is the chief executive of hs2 . so i think he has of hs2. so i think he has something to gain from this. absolutely. i have close relatives who've i get the train

up north nearly every week, so i know what it's like. but i have relatives who never who have never been to london. >> so there are people in the north—west, in burnley and lancashire who don't use these services. >> i do feel very sorry for the people who businesses or people who had businesses or houses they were houses that were they knew were going kind of going to come under some kind of compulsory purchase order and have a massive have made a massive life decision money have made a massive life detthat. money have made a massive life detthat. i money have made a massive life detthat. i given money have made a massive life detthat. i given the money have made a massive life detthat. i given the cost, money have made a massive life detthat. i given the cost, maybe( on that. i given the cost, maybe some compensation will come their way. i don't know . starmer their way. i don't know. starmer has a bit of a problem has he got a bit of a problem now he was seen as the now because he was seen as the heir apparent. it was going to happen for him. the prime happen for him. he was the prime minister in waiting. it was a risky position every risky position to be. every time he's in the he's opened his mouth in the last two weeks. i think something come out. >> and you alluded to this >> yeah. and you alluded to this earlier. his his solutions are a bit too sophisticated in terms of immigration. >> an it involves going back to the eu. >> nobody in this country hardly wants us moving closer , closer wants us moving closer, closer back to the eu. so is solutions are too nuanced . they need to be are too nuanced. they need to be quite basic and that's not what they are. so he is being challenged to be more forthright

and i'm not sure he can do that. >> if you were going to get back into politics, would you join the tories? >> oh, well, that's a question i've been asked previously. the rochdale conservatives have asked me to stand in in the general forthcoming general election, and i've not yet reached conclusion on that. reached a conclusion on that. but it's nice to have but but it's nice to have options, isn't it? so you certainly keep them open by the sounds things. sounds of things. >> so i must say. but there we go . former mp simon go. so former labour mp simon johnson, all johnson, good to see you. all right. yeah, loads. still right. okay yeah, loads. still to though. to come, to come, though. still to come, what arrest a shoplifter what do you arrest a shoplifter ? i quite like have a chat ? i quite like to have a chat with that as well. with him about that as well. would a shoplifter would you arrest a shoplifter anyway? says would you arrest a shoplifter anyvyou says would you arrest a shoplifter anyvyou should. says would you arrest a shoplifter anyvyou should. i'm says would you arrest a shoplifter anyvyou should. i'm not says would you arrest a shoplifter anyvyou should. i'm not sure that you should. i'm not sure about don't and about this. don't go and stop nicking watch. nicking shoplifters on my watch. patrick christys gb news business news .

britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> 5:26. you're watching or listening to me patrick christys on news. now, after nigel farage went to the conservative conference for the first time since the 80, in a few minutes, i will ask, would it be good or bad for the tories if you rejoined the party? a bit of context. i basically made well , context. i basically made well, essentially made that story up at tory party conference by just continually asking tory mps whether or not they thought that nigel should rejoin the party because he was there and he was cosying up to priti or she cosying up to priti patel or she was cosying to him. i think was cosying up to him. i think they they might have they thought they might have been even one been on the cards and even one of he'd get down on

of them said he'd get down on his hands and knees him his hands and knees and beg him and therefore have and therefore we now have a big story. a question story. but here's a question for you. if you saw someone shoplifting, you shoplifting, what would you do? a minister wants shoplifting, what would you do? a to minister wants shoplifting, what would you do? a to detain minister wants shoplifting, what would you do? a to detain them.;ter wants shoplifting, what would you do? a to detain them. policings you to detain them. policing minister the minister chris philp said the wider shops , wider public, including shops, staff and security guards, do have power citizen's have the power of citizen's arrest. where it's safe to do so. i would encourage that to be used because you do just let used because if you do just let people walk in and take stuff and out without proper and walk out without a proper challenge, including potentially a , then it a physical challenge, then it will just escalate. okay interesting. i'm joined now by mike neville, who's a former detective with the met police . detective with the met police. and mike, i can't help but wonder whether or not loads of people are going to get stabbed i >> yes, it's very odd, isn't it? >> yes, it's very odd, isn't it? >> and well, there are several points here. >> i think chris feltz making some good points about using cctv smarter and identifying criminals . that's a good point. criminals. that's a good point. the problem with the issue he's got here are several you've noficed got here are several you've noticed noted already that shoplifters carry knives. the chief executive of iceland has

said his staff have been threatened with needles and things like that. threatened with needles and things like that . so there's the things like that. so there's the injury thing, but there's a very legal issue here as well , legal issue here as well, patrick, that theresa may down graded shoplifting under £200 to a summary only offence . and that a summary only offence. and that means you cannot make a citizen's arrest. it's unlawful if the person steals more or less than £200, you're simply not allowed to make. >> this is the thing, mike. so i've got to be honest with you, i've got to be honest with you, i thought just purely about if you detain someone and then they say, oh, you know , i've slipped say, oh, you know, i've slipped a disc in my back or my knees gone, and then all of a sudden you find yourself on the hook for 200 grand compo . for like 200 grand in compo. that would thought. but that would be my thought. but what you're saying there is more important , which important actually, which is what allowed make what you're not allowed to make a arrest someone if a citizen's arrest of someone if the value of what they're stealing under £200. is that stealing is under £200. is that right. that. right. i mishear that. >> absolutely right. so >> that's absolutely right. so what the is you can what the law says is you can make citizen's arrest for an make a citizen's arrest for an indictable that's indictable offence. that's an offence that you can go to crown court for and can't to court for and you can't go to crown for shops or shops

crown court for shops or shops even under two. it's simple even under two. it's as simple as that. and also, patrick, you've workers you've got the shop workers aren't supported. there aren't being supported. there was manager of halfords who was a manager of halfords who was a manager of halfords who was badly injured while he was trying to detain two shoplifters who identified . but who were never identified. but the simply said, like the halfords simply said, like many shops, our policy that many shops, it's our policy that you don't intervene because what they don't want is their shop workers being harmed badly workers being harmed very badly and then they can sue the shop and then they can sue the shop and take the whole point of having what's the point of having what's the point of having in police service having cctv in a police service if going to be asked if we're going to be asked to tackle ourselves ? tackle shoplifters ourselves? yeah, the thing is with cctv, it's really this is my area of expertise. it's just horrendously badly used . just to horrendously badly used. just to give you an idea, for every 10,000 cases of people being caught on cctv , about 14 people caught on cctv, about 14 people will actually end up at court out of 10,000. wow. there's no national systems. the police minister is actually speaking about having a national system. there's no national database like fingerprints and dna. and that would really help to solve

lots of crime, not just shoplifting, but burglaries, robberies, rapes and murders. so there is some improvements . but there is some improvements. but this shoplifting idea of people making very making arrests is very troublesome . troublesome. >> yeah. and they often come in, go. we're looking at a video there from currys pc world or whatever and there's whatever it is. and there's loads they mob up, they loads of them. they mob up, they come in and it's one thing, you know, like a slow moving individual who decides to nick like a chest of drawers or something. yeah you could probably go after them and maybe, maybe have a word with them, but you've got gangs of feral kids as you don't want to be getting involved in that. do you really? >> it's really dreadful because as you say, you one, you've got gangs this. gangs like this. >> young men. you >> so they fit young men. you know, start fighting with know, you start fighting with them of them attack them and several of them attack you. bad you. you're going to get a bad beating tackling a beating if you start tackling a drug addict like, say, they've beating if you start tackling a drugknivest like, say, they've beating if you start tackling a drugknives and), say, they've beating if you start tackling a drugknives and particularler got knives and particularly these needles. there's these dirty needles. there's story of people story after story of people being, you know, having the worry having hepatitis worry of having hepatitis or aids they've been aids because they've been stabbed needles. stabbed with some needles. >> it really is bad. >> so it really is bad. >> so it really is bad.

>> and the way to deal with this is not citizen arrest. >> it's identify people from >> it's to identify people from cctv for multiple crimes and then put them in jail. you know. >> you know, i just thought mark anthony, chris felt we should send him to like the local tesco's or something and make him be a security guard and just see someone's chris he's just nicked , he's just nicked nicked, he's just nicked a laptop there. do you want to go after him and see what. see what happens. but there we we're happens. but there we go. we're going to have go. i'm sorry. going to have to go. i'm sorry. i'm of but i'm bang out of time, but you take mike neville. there take care. mike neville. there he detective he is, a former detective with the right. okay. he is, a former detective with the more right. okay. he is, a former detective with the more ito ht. okay. he is, a former detective with the more ito come ay. he is, a former detective with the more ito come to me loads more still to come to me now on 5:00. nigel got a now on 5:00. nigel farage got a great tory great reception at the tory party conference. obvious party conference. pretty obvious that that. but would that he did that. but would it be bad the party if be good or bad for the party if he rejoined them? but. and what does that say about the party actually? but first, it's your latest headlines with polly . patrick. >> thank you. the top stories this hour, the prime minister has confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. rishi

sunak told the conservative party conference in manchester today that the £36 billion saved will be better spent on other infrastructure projects in the north. mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, though, says the announcement is not a coherent plan . also today, not a coherent plan. also today, a corporate manslaughter investigation has begun following murders carried out by lucy letby. the 33 year old former nurse killed seven babies and attempted to kill six others at the countess of chester hospital. senior leadership and decision making will be investigated to determine whether any criminality has taken place. and a sixth person has been arrested in connection with the crooked house pub fire in staffordshire. a 23 year old man from leicestershire has been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit arson with intent. he's been released on conditional bail while the investigation continues. more on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com .

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all over him . our political all over him. our political editor christopher hope, even agreed to ask rishi sunak whether he'd welcome nigel back to the party and here's what he said. >> the tory party is a very broad church , right? i welcome broad church, right? i welcome lots of people who want to subscribe for our ideals to our values . values. >> yeah, i know . so there we go. >> yeah, i know. so there we go. and one of our competitors decided to do an hour long phone in off the back that. to in off the back of that. as to whether not farage whether or not nigel farage should rejoin conservative should rejoin the conservative party , that's what rishi sunak party, that's what rishi sunak said. but listening to said. but after listening to suella braverman speech yesterday, did not hold yesterday, nigel did not hold back. >> appear to be unchangeable. >> maybe only after they lose the next election and we get the real fight between the one nafion real fight between the one nation remainers and the leavers who want to become pro—business and low tax . and low tax. >> maybe then we'll get some idea whether this mob are worth supporting right now. i wouldn't join them . i wouldn't even vote join them. i wouldn't even vote for them. >> right. so that's that then. but would nigel farage rejoining the conservative party actually

be a good thing? i think i'm a little bit more intrigued as to what this says about the conservative party. going what this says about the co be�*rvative party. going what this says about the co be debatingrrty. going what this says about the co be debatingrrty. very, going to be debating this very, very shortly, it is a fascinating shortly, but it is a fascinating kind of side of this conservative party. so nigel turns and the way into the turns up and the way into the manchester conference centre, all of the press only want to know him. rishi sunak himself seriously could have walked past at the same time and they wouldn't have gone to rishi. they thought, we'll get him later. we've got to get nigel's entrance in and then you see a load of people coming up him entrance in and then you see a loatsayingople coming up him entrance in and then you see a loatsaying things ming up him entrance in and then you see a loatsaying things like; up him entrance in and then you see a loatsaying things like , up him entrance in and then you see a loatsaying things like , oh, him not saying things like, oh, nigel, you know, you're dividing the tory party oh, nigel, we know. you know, or, you know, all that no, not at all of that stuff. no, not at all. talking to him about whether going whether or not he's going to rejoin. have load rejoin. and then you have a load of tory mps who've actually subsequently and said subsequently come out and said they him they would accept him in the party. think it would be party. do you think it would be a thing for the tories? a good thing for the tories? what say about it? what would that say about it? does he appeal to a base of people that the current tory party does not appeal to? to debate this? i am joined by political alex political commentators alex armstrong and matthew stadlen .

armstrong and matthew stadlen. alex, i will start with you . any alex, i will start with you. any second now. i'm to going be asking you, of course, whether or not it will be a good thing. oh, matthew , i'll go to you oh, matthew, i'll go to you first. why not? there we first. why not? hey, there we go. do you think it go. so, matthew, do you think it will good thing for the will be a good thing for the tories to have nigel in the party? >> no, i don't think it would be a good thing. >> i think it would make the likes of margaret thatcher turn in her grave. nigel farage is not a true conservative, patrick. he's considerably to the right of what i would describe as sensible conservatism, a sort of conservatism, a sort of conservatism that i disagree with strongly myself, but that can reasonably be described as sensible . oh, this is desperate sensible. oh, this is desperate stuff. i think from the tories. this is the first party conference i can remember where the ruling party, the governing party, has been busy setting out its stall for opposition and they're clearly still terrified of nigel. nigel's very effective politician. we know that from the brexit referendum he himself

has tried to become an mp seven, eight times and failed every single time . but none of us can single time. but none of us can deny that he's had a huge impact on the national stage. and this suggests to me that the tories are running scared . we've just are running scared. we've just had a poll out in the last day or which suggests that or so which suggests that there are labour are are 99 points behind labour are nigel farage says himself the tories are going to lose the next election . i think that's next election. i think that's the most significant element of this okay look, alex, this story. okay look, alex, i mean, with respect , whilst mean, with respect, whilst matthew has said a lot of stuff there about why doesn't think there about why he doesn't think it thing for the it would be a good thing for the tories to welcome nigel farage back into the fray, you could quite easily take said quite easily take what you said there why there and said that is why they need nigel back need to get nigel farage back in. you think? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> mean, you're >> yeah, i mean, you're absolutely >> yeah, i mean, you're absilutely >> yeah, i mean, you're absi mean, look the >> i mean, just look at the reception he's had at the conference. he speaks the conference. he speaks to the real community roots of the conservative . what conservative party. what matthew's referring to is a group of tories who are basically corporatists at this point time, who have point in time, who have infiltrated party over the infiltrated the party over the last ten years, who actually don't any values at all. don't have any values at all.

>> i don't know what half of the mps in parliament in the conservative even for . stand >> nigel farage has clear values that speak to true conservatives. what matthew, i'd love for you to tell me what you think the values of the conservative party are mean. and you mentioned that, you you also mentioned that, you know, lost his attempt to know, he's lost his attempt to become an mp multiple times, but he was at that point leader of ukip and of course other parties that he's been, you know, headed up after that too. and so it's quite a different battle if he was to become a conservative mp and there's plenty of seats i know conservative seats that would love to have nigel on board, a man that actually has conservative values for a change. >> yeah , matthew, just respond >> yeah, matthew, just respond to that . no patrick, you know me to that. no patrick, you know me well enough and i think most people watching will know me well enough to say that i'm probably not the best spokesman for sort of conservative for any sort of conservative values . but as far as nigel values. but as far as nigel farage values are concerned, i'd like to know what they are. this is a man, don't forget who ahead

of that brexit referendum stood in a turning point in front of a turning point poster, which i thought was deeply xenophobic to say the least. this is a man who continues to see. >> look, i do. i do get that. look, i do understand that. and i can understand the optics of it. i would politely say that maybe what he could have done was and on the was just go and stand on the shoreline lampedusa instead shoreline of lampedusa instead and a picture of and someone take a picture of what's it would look what's there. and it would look very , bringing back very similar, bringing it back to the present day. >> this is a man who has obsessed about migrants and refugees coming across across the channel he's desperately tried to drag the debate to the right and what he is successful done. i've already said there's no doubt that nigel is a very successful political figure. what he's successfully done is helped drag the conservative party to the right to the point where rishi sunak doesn't say actually , no, nigel farage would actually, no, nigel farage would not be welcome in the conservative party. don't forget farage has been a bitter enemy of the conservative. in elections gone by. he's taken at

times millions of votes off them. so this is desperate stuff at a time the conservative at a time where the conservative party is trying find some party is trying to find some sort of soul and actually lurching further and further into soullessness as matthew . into soullessness as matthew. >> i mean, i disagree. >> i mean, i disagree. >> i mean, you're saying that the party is moving to the right . i mean, i think the political ground itself is moving. you know, so conservative party ground itself is moving. you kr mostly conservative party ground itself is moving. you kr mostly a conservative party ground itself is moving. you kr mostly a centreervative party ground itself is moving. you kr mostly a centre rightve party ground itself is moving. you kr mostly a centre right party. ty is mostly a centre right party. i think nigel's views have changed over time. >> he seems to be much >> he seems to be a much more well man. well rounded man. >> got very, very >> he's got some very, very sensible ideas and he's he's talking about things that the pubuc talking about things that the public want to hear. they don't want and want to have a cigarettes and vaping they don't want. why vaping band they don't want. why the why the conservative party banning things. it's a party meant to be a party of freedom of online privacy of speech. that online privacy bill through the bill that just went through the safety sorry mean what a safety bill sorry mean what a joke. these aren't conservative policies. so what nigel is doing is he's he's become is he's he's he's become a conduit for conservatives that actually to return to the actually want to return to the roots. >> i suppose . i wonder if, >> i suppose. i wonder if, matthew, some to matthew, there is some truth to that of pushback that right. so a bit of pushback on zero things about about on nasir zero things about about

banning things. the de—banking scandal.i banning things. the de—banking scandal . i think he he stood up scandal. i think he he stood up on he's very strong on, you know, the gender ideology debate as well. we've got, you know, immigration. ian i do. i dare say that if there was actually a referendum on any of those issues, his side would probably win. whether or you think win. whether or not you think that be the right decision that would be the right decision , you , like obviously you were against you know, against brexit. you know, there was on brexit was a referendum on that brexit one. understand you think one. i understand that you think that right thing, but that wasn't the right thing, but if of those if he if he put each of those things referendum, i think if he if he put each of those thi probably'eferendum, i think if he if he put each of those thi probably would :ium, i think if he if he put each of those thi probably would win, i think if he if he put each of those thi probably would win .i think he probably would win. >> i think the fact that nigel farage loves a, i think he still does. patrick, you know him better now , by the better than i do now, by the way, nigel, i used to get on perfectly well. he go perfectly well. he used to go and to when and have a chat to me when we were on, were both presenters on, on another because liked another station because he liked me. what the other me. likes to know what the other side that's why i side are thinking. that's why i appear on a channel where i broadly disagree with lots of the things i've said because i'm not a believer in no platforming. people within, within reason. of course, as the as channel has found as the channel has found out. but fact that nigel farage but the fact that nigel farage likes i mean, he's going likes a, i mean, he's not going to is i don't

to be happy, is he? i don't think you can ask him yourself, but he's not going be happy think you can ask him yourself, but ithisnot going be happy think you can ask him yourself, but ithisnot goinmaking happy think you can ask him yourself, but ithisnot goinmaking making with this idea of making making smoking no, with this idea of making making sm(no,g no, with this idea of making making sm(no, no. no, no, no, no. >> all fine. think >> all right, fine. i think i think things net zero is think things like net zero is more more pressing than more is more pressing than the cigarette i've cigarette issue, isn't it? i've got got the net zero got more that's got the net zero thing i think is so important because yes, as i keep saying , because yes, as i keep saying, when i come on gb news, it has to be done in an equitable way. >> we cannot hammer poor people. that's . poor people that's not fair. if poor people like rest of us are going to like the rest of us are going to pay like the rest of us are going to pay their pay their towards pay their pay their way towards net have to be net zero, they have to be subsidised. but the idea that this tory party is being responsible and thinking about the long term when what it's doing is axing hs2 and it's watering down green policies when we face an in dispute climate crisis i think is crazy stuff. >> all right. okay. let's let's let's let's laser like focus in on on on the matter at hand here then. so alex, if nigel farage join the conservative party or or let it. you think it'd get more votes ? yes. more votes? yes. >> yes, absolutely . do i think >> yes, absolutely. do i think the tories are going to notice

that when they lose the election considerably to the labour party in a few months time ? um, look, in a few months time? um, look, the at the end of the day , nigel the at the end of the day, nigel farage is to talking people on the street every day and through this channel i think you will find well gb news been an find as well gb news has been an amazing conduit nigel's amazing conduit for nigel's views to and their common sense policies. he wants to put out things and he wants to talk about things that really affect people, whether you are rich or poor and think those are vote winners. there's not many people poor and think those are vote vispeak. there's not many people poor and think those are vote “speak to here's not many people poor and think those are vote “speak to whos not many people poor and think those are vote “speak to who are it many people poor and think those are vote “speak to who are slightly people i speak to who are slightly centre, ground centre right centre, ground or centre right that don't think nigel farage speaks them and think that speaks for them and think that is what political parties are missing in this this day and age. they don't speak to real voters anymore. they come up with policies like rishi with lofty policies like rishi sunakis with lofty policies like rishi sunak is doing right now that really don't have any meaning behind them. all right, matthew, final behind them. all right, matthew, final, final word you. final, final word to you. >> you're >> quite briefly, if you're being you think being honest, do you think that actually, farage actually, if nigel farage was leader, probably would get leader, they probably would get more as said, this is a man >> no. as i said, this is a man who himself ran to mp 7 or who himself ran to be an mp 7 or 8 and failed . if you were

8 times and failed. if you were to parachute nigel farage into the tory party, think it would the tory party, i think it would actually off a lot actually scare off a lot of middle england who the tories absolutely have to cling on to if they've got any hope of winning next election. okay winning the next election. okay both of you, thank you. >> great that alex >> great stuff that sir alex armstrong there, political commentator and another political commentator, matthew stadlen, it is almost stadlen, as well. it is almost irrelevant to have that conversation . and i say that conversation. and i say that with my eyes wide open, given the fact i've just hosted a debate on it. but the reason i ask is it's fascinating. you know, opened up with know, a chasm has opened up with the conservative party. now, nigel presence nigel farage is very presence and couple of mps and me asking a couple of mps and me asking a couple of mps and all of a sudden boomph, there he come and all of a sudden boomph, there should he come and all of a sudden boomph, there should come he come and all of a sudden boomph, there should come back?ne and all of a sudden boomph, there should come back? what back? should he come back? what would you think, back? should he come back? what woulcthat you think, back? should he come back? what woulcthat shows you think, back? should he come back? what woulcthat shows thatyou think, back? should he come back? what woulcthat shows that there's1k, back? should he come back? what woulcthat shows that there's a. well, that shows that there's a void, doesn't it? at the heart of the government at the moment, void, doesn't it? at the heart of tt somehow nent at the moment, void, doesn't it? at the heart of ttsomehow needs. the moment, void, doesn't it? at the heart of ttsomehow needs. the nfilledit, that somehow needs to be filled ? find interesting. ? i find that quite interesting. comment i think, on where the conservative party is at at the moment anyway . so the moment anyway. so the conservative is over conservative conference is over . the question this was . the big question is this was it success or a failure for it a success or a failure for rishi sunak? i am bang up for the labour conference which i will be at monday and tuesday

next week. it is going to be a real eye opener. i think after both these conferences to see where we're at politically in this will know a lot this country, we will know a lot more , more i suspect, about the more, more i suspect, about the result of the next general election come next wednesday . election come next wednesday. patrick christys on gb news british there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £201.05, or £306.85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments.

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patrick christys on gb news now we heard rishi's rallying we all heard rishi's rallying call today, we? call earlier today, didn't we? at party conference in at tory party conference in manchester made a series of manchester he made a series of policy and policy announcements and attempted to set himself apart from sir keir starmer and laboun from sir keir starmer and labour. we we're seeing them both do that now, aren't we? which think, quite nice. which is, i think, quite nice. but to be the but this is likely to be the last party conference season before election before the next general election for weeks. sunak was about 2025 points, possibly even worse than that at one stage behind labour catastrophe . he then won poll catastrophe. he then won poll said that he was ten points behind as the conference was about to start. so how has this week a success the week been a success for the prime minister for or not? i cannot wait, by the way, to see the polls this time next week, labour conference ends . where labour conference ends. where will be at? but joining will we be at? but joining me now this to now to discuss this and to answer the question is polling guru is professor of politics at the university of strathclyde, sir john curtice . sirjohn, sir john curtice. sir john, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. so where are we at as tory party conference? been a net win or a

net loss for sunak and co? >> well, i think the first thing ihave >> well, i think the first thing i have to say to you, for all the excitement that people like yourself and myself and the interest that we have in party conferences, there is actually a lovely piece that came out just a couple of days ago showing that if you take all of the party conferences from 1955 through , on through to last year, on average, there effect is zero. >> so yes, occasionally the odd conference makes a difference , conference makes a difference, but usually by the end of october, the polls look very similar to what they were at the end of august. so we shouldn't set our expectations too high. and way , you know, so far and by the way, you know, so far as the prime minister's net zero statement is concerned , well, statement is concerned, well, basically. but now the conservatives at 27% are exactly where they were at the end of august. it's not clear that it's made that much impact. now that's not to say that today's speech is not without interest, because clearly this is an attempt by the prime minister to

convey a different style and in a sense to try and give some indication that perhaps he's not just simply somebody, somebody who can simply manage the ship, but can also to give it some sense of direction . ocean. and sense of direction. ocean. and i think it's particularly interesting challenge to labour , given that labour in this sense are deeply reluctant to say too much about how they would govern the country differently. >> well, that's interesting, john. primarily can i flip it on its head slightly for you, sir? johnif its head slightly for you, sir? john if that if that's all right, because in the last couple of weeks we've had keir starmer , whether he intended to starmer, whether he intended to or not, getting embroiled in issues involving things like like some eu asylum quota or votes for 16 year olds, he went and met macron. there was a lot to do with all of that . and i to do with all of that. and i actually wonder whether or not there's a case to say that . the there's a case to say that. the more we hear from sir keir , the more we hear from sir keir, the worse his polling is going to get, as opposed to rishi sunak

doing something proactive that leads to a late surge farage well, the trouble is, patrick, again, this is where people like yourself and myself have to be very careful about assuming how much of any of the news that we cover gets through to the wider public. >> so if look at opinion >> so if you look at opinion poll sunday, which asks poll on sunday, which asks people where thought the people where they thought the labour party stands on brexit and on the european union, the figures exactly the same for figures are exactly the same for all practical purposes, to what they had long before . sir they had been long before. sir keir starmer's trips to paris and to brussels. the public, frankly, have not taken much nofice frankly, have not taken much notice and that's the reason also why we have to be careful about conferences. but i think the interesting thing, however, is whether or not rishi sunaks attempt to change his style will make sir keir starmer think about whether he can simply , for about whether he can simply, for the most part, not say too much about how he would improve britain, but simply rely on attacking the government because

now we've got a government that in a sense is trying to distance itself from the past of both. bons itself from the past of both. boris johnson and liz truss and trying to address at least some of the concerns the public have in perhaps in a more substantive way than labour have. so far been inclined to do so if either of them had a personality , do of them had a personality, do you think they'd romp home? >> well , that of course is one >> well, that of course is one of the problems . of the problems. >> neither mr sunak nor sir keir are the most charismatic of individuals. neither of them are stand that highly with the public. when you ask them how whether they you think of them favourably or unfavourably . and favourably or unfavourably. and i think, you know, in so far as there were question marks about mr sunak's speech today, i mean there were question marks about mr sis1ak's speech today, i mean there were question marks about mr sis whatspeech today, i mean there were question marks about mr sis what is eech today, i mean there were question marks about mr sis what is itch today, i mean there were question marks about mr sis what is it that day, i mean there were question marks about mr sis what is it that joins mean one is what is it that joins together, getting rid of hs2? they eventual banning of cigarettes and changing the education qualifications of 16 to 19 year olds. how do you join those particular dots into a broader synoptic message age? and you know, one of the things

that so far we've not really got from is some coherent sense of the kind of country he wants to create. and i still think that country is left that question is still hanging. but the still left hanging. but the truth is, also a question truth is, it's also a question thatis truth is, it's also a question that is left hanging over secure. >> starmer yeah, indeed . look, >> starmer yeah, indeed. look, sir john, in a way, thank you. although, you to summarise although, you know, to summarise , what you have done is come on and say one have really and say no one will have really cared any of the topics cared about any of the topics that last three that you've spent the last three hours and they hours talking about. and they never thank you for never will. so thank you for a dose of realism at the end there. so sir john dose of realism at the end there. so sirjohn curtice dose of realism at the end there. so sir john curtice , the there. so sir john curtice, the professor of politics and polling guru, i love you , john. polling guru, i love you, john. take care. at the university of strathclyde. good grief. well, anyway , i'm excited for the anyway, i'm excited for the labour party conference next week. i don't know about you. i think it will be revealing. i think it will be revealing. i think do care. next, think you do care. but up next, we've got michelle dewberry with dewbs& co, followed by, of course, nigel farage, the man himself been of himself, who's been the talk of this he's been the talk of this show. he's been the talk of conference. what conference. let's see what his latest are. i will see latest hot takes are. i will see you three. oh, no, you tomorrow at three. oh, no, i'm nine. good afternoon.

i'm on at nine. good afternoon. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. bit of met office for gb news. a bit of a north south split with the weather wet parts weather today wet for parts of scotland and northern ireland. most of england and wales dry under high under the influence of high pressure . further north, weather pressure. further north, weather fronts dry shaping their way and bringing a soggy feel to much of central southern scotland and the north of northern ireland. that rainy zone lingering well into evening, perhaps we'll into the evening, perhaps we'll see some weather into the see some wet weather into the far england. much of far north of england. much of northern scotland actually turning dry and clear. and here it'll actually turn a little chilly with temperatures well down single figures for down into single figures for much of the rest of the uk, temperatures holding up in double we start thursday double digits. we start thursday then with quite a lot of cloud. certainly for wales, certainly for north wales, north—west there'll be north—west england, there'll be some rain and some outbreaks of rain and drizzle northern ireland some outbreaks of rain and drizzl(to northern ireland some outbreaks of rain and drizzl(to turn rthern ireland some outbreaks of rain and drizzl(to turn into �*n ireland some outbreaks of rain and drizzl(to turn into �*n prettyi going to turn into a pretty soggy morning quickly. soggy morning fairly quickly. the moving in here and then the rain moving in here and then pushing western scotland as pushing into western scotland as well. the winds will start to increase. so turning wet and windy wales well windy across north wales as well as north—west england, northern ireland turning a bit ireland actually turning a bit

drier the afternoon. drier through the afternoon. southern and eastern parts of england, dry bright. england, mostly dry and bright. a sunshine could poke a bit of sunshine could poke through see through and that'll see temperatures to 19 degrees temperatures up to 19 degrees elsewhere. we're in mid elsewhere. we're in the mid teens at best. weather fronts continue to bring further rain across that across north—west scotland. that could cause some issues by the time to the weekend. but time we get to the weekend. but further south, look at this, temperatures the high temperatures on the rise, high pressure moving in. a lot of fine weather as we head into the weekend for england and wales and weekend weekend for england and wales and be weekend weekend for england and wales and be in weekend weekend for england and wales and be in the weekend weekend for england and wales and be in the mid weekend weekend for england and wales and be in the mid 20s>ekend

doing. hs2 will be invested there instead . do you believe there instead. do you believe that you tell me. also, smoking is going to be phased out. is that a good health policy or the nanny state gone mad? and today there was lots of talk today about being tough on crime. and get this, the policing minister has suggested that you and i, the great british public, we need to start getting out there, getting more involved and starting to make citizens

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