by ulez gb news. >> good evening . the top story >> good evening. the top story tonight, the prime minister today confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is to be scrapped in his speech at the conservative party conference in manchester. speaking about the high speed rail network, after weeks of speculation, rishi sunak instead unveiled a plan for network north saying that the £36 million saved will be better spent on developing northern transport routes. the eastern leg to east midland parkway is also scrapped. hs2, though , will also scrapped. hs2, though, will still run from london. euston to manchester, but it will run on existing tracks from birmingham onwards. here's what rishi sunak had to say. we'll reinvest every

single . penny single. penny >> £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. this means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation . difference across our nation. >> well, in reaction to that, the former prime minister david cameron criticised the announcement, writing on twitter that a once in a generation opportunity city had been lost and just about an hour ago, former prime minister boris johnson added, i agree to david cameron's post and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham , said the new investment plan didn't create a coherent transport network. but the mayor of the west midlands, andy street, said although he was disappointed at the decision, he believed all in all, it was a good compromise. now believed all in all, it was a good compromise . now away from good compromise. now away from the party conference, five people have been arrested after just stop oil protesters interrupted tonight's performance of les miserables at

the sondheim theatre in london. take a look . singing. the sondheim theatre in london. take a look . singing . the song take a look. singing. the song of anneliese just. well, if you're not watching on television and you're listening on the radio, what we're looking at is four members of just stop oil holding up orange banners on the stage and then locking themselves to the front of the musical stage theatre actors stop their performance . they stop their performance. they were led off at the back of the stage . stage management stage. stage management attempted to remove the activists as well. audience members took it upon themselves to shouted at just stop oil to have shouted at just stop oil activists get off the stage . activists to get off the stage. to now the sunderland man who died after being attacked by an xl bully has been named by northumbria police as ian langley. police attended the incident last night following reports a dog had injured the 54 year old who was taken to hospital already with life threatening injuries . a 44 year threatening injuries. a 44 year

old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and an investigation has been launched. the dog was destroyed at the scene. a second had to be seized and a sixth person has been arrested in connection with the crooked house pub fire in staffordshire. a 23 year old man from leicestershire was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit arson with intent . he's commit arson with intent. he's been released on conditional bail while the investigation continues. four men and a woman were previously arrested in connection with the fire that destroyed the iconic pub back in august . and lastly , the uk and august. and lastly, the uk and ireland are possible set to host the euros in 2028, pending final approval from uefa's executive committee next week. that comes as turkey withdrew its bid to host the european football championships. it instead has planned to merge bids with italy. they're both going to go for 2032 in the uk, ten stadia

were earmarked to host the matches, including glasgow's hampden park. the principality stadium in cardiff. dublin's aviva stadium and wembley in london. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> hello and welcome to headliners. >> your first look at thursday's papers . papers. >> joining me tonight, we have the paul daniels and debbie mcgee of gb news. >> in no particular order, that is lewis schaefer and nick dixon. >> evening, gentlemen. so, which 1 am. i? 1a.m. i? >> no 1 am. i? >> no particular order? >> no particular order? >> particular order? >> in no particular order? >> in no particular order? >> , that pan and the >> well, that pan out and the audience. to debbie audience. i prefer to be debbie mcgee because wound up with the. >> millions. she did? >> with millions. she did? >> with millions. she did? >> absolutely . >> with millions. she did? >> i'llsolutely . >> with millions. she did? >> i'll takeely .take daniels >> i'll take i'll take daniels because he was talent. because he was the talent. >> was talent .

>> daniels was the talent. >> daniels was the talent. >> anyway, a much missed >> anyway, he was a much missed , understood individual, in my view , very like a genuine view, very like a genuine magician. view, very like a genuine ma he an. view, very like a genuine ma he had he had the craft, real magic. >> he did absolutely . >> he did absolutely. >> he did absolutely. >> the we have the front pages . >> the we have the front pages. we kick off with the telegraph . we kick off with the telegraph. >> huge decisions that change britain . we have rishi and his britain. we have rishi and his wife, their guardian. so sunak ignites tory civil war. after declaring he is the change candidate . but can that be candidate. but can that be plausible? >> the times son of a farmer wokeist casts himself as thatcher's heir in intriguing take on it. >> daily mail. >> daily mail. >> all day rishi gave tories a reason to believe he can save us from keir's wokery express game changer rishi's radical policy blitz to fix britain and the daily star an outlier. as ever, we've really hit the skids. supermarket forced to put security tags on bulger rolls to end shoplifting epidemic . those

end shoplifting epidemic. those were your front pages . so were your front pages. so kicking things off with the telegraph . lewis yeah, this huge telegraph. lewis yeah, this huge decision decisions to change britain and the three major decisions which will have relatively little impact on the global and our own situation in the first one is smoking is effectively to be banned for future generations with phased in a phased age limit, which is the new zealand method . the new zealand method. >> yeah. which is there'll be a time when someone who's 19 won't be able to smoke , but someone be able to smoke, but someone who's 20 will be able to smoke and then they'll just carry on rolling that up , carry on forever. >> actually you'll be a 48 year old man hanging around at newsagent. everything that a 50 year buy from year old man will buy you from some year old man will buy you from sonyeah, it'll and it'll be >> yeah, it'll be. and it'll be a state. yeah. a proper police state. yeah. which is. which maybe which is. which is maybe the dream what the powers dream of what? what the powers that want.

that be want. >> feel slightly >> i mean i feel slightly ambivalent this. ambivalent on this. >> i've got to say. i would imagine generally speaking, gb news of limited news our audience of a limited aryan would that aryan bent would think that adults can choose for themselves whether but on whether to smoke or not. but on the they've it the other hand, they've made it so ridiculously expensive. it's such a hostile environment for smokers. does feel like, smokers. now it does feel like, should just let other should we just let the other shoe and ban outright? shoe drop and ban it outright? would sense? would that not make more sense? it's obviously teetering in unsustainably on the edge of that, isn't it? what do you think, nick? >> well, yeah, i almost don't like talking about this because i'll online because i i'll get hate online because i am freedom side. am more on the freedom side. >> and as i said you before, >> and as i said to you before, talking pipe talking believed that pipe smoking good and smoking was a moral good and i understand all that, but i personally hate smoking so much that always say i'm a fascist that i always say i'm a fascist on this one issue. >> but i'm not saying i would go with i'm just saying with the ban. i'm just saying part me is not against part of me is not as against it as normally should be. as i normally should be. >> i know you mean. >> i know what you mean. >> i know what you mean. >> say, a stand >> and i have to say, as a stand up when they up comic as well, when they banned the banned indoor smoking, the environment for performing, it improved . i mean, improved immeasurably. i mean, it had a little bit maybe some of atmosphere missing. of the atmosphere was missing. you photogenic nature

you know, the photogenic nature of jazz club vibe. of the sort of jazz club vibe. >> eventually, over time , >> but eventually, over time, people would have banned smoking inside . they wouldn't have inside. they wouldn't have banned it wouldn't been banned it. it wouldn't have been a like a law, but there would be like you place where you go into a place where they're people they're smoking and people wouldn't wouldn't visited. >> mean, occasionally. you visited. >> go ean, occasionally. you visited. >> go ean, otremember you visited. >> goean, o(remember| you visited. >> go ean, otremember i think| ever go like i remember i think the time for was the last time for me was probably something probably abu dhabi or something like five like that massive five star hotel, and like that massive five star hotel and and like that massive five star hoteland people and like that massive five star hoteland people smoking and like that massive five star hoteland people smoking ind floor and people smoking in there. it was almost like watching really watching something really unsanitary, foul unsanitary, like some foul primitive activity. anyway and nietzsche said, i can't say i'm against it. nietzsche said, what is falling? against it. nietzsche said, what is fwe1g? against it. nietzsche said, what is fwe must push, but we don't >> we must push, but we don't need to push it because cigarette smoking is going down. when they make it illegal, it's going come right back. going to come right back. >> true. >> it's true. >> it's true. >> wasn't from you, >> and it wasn't from you, simon. i never saw that coming. >> that's. >> that's. >> yeah. what about he >> yeah. what about his. he didn't drinking either, didn't like drinking either, though, not how though, so i'm not sure how sound he was. what about a—levels? sound he was. what about a—ia—levels replaced >> a—levels will be replaced with that include with exams that include mandatory english and maths. i'm going to have this to going to have to give this to nick because the expert nick because nick is the expert in british school system, in the british school system, even though i've had this switching system switching to an american system , majors minors, , majors and minors, that's roughly although roughly what they although

that's rather that's a college thing rather than a what do think? that's a college thing rather tha it's what do think? that's a college thing rather tha it's thet do think? that's a college thing rather tha it's the one think? that's a college thing rather tha it's the one bit think? that's a college thing rather tha it's the one bit tithe? >> it's the one bit of the speech actually speech that i'd actually ignored, honest speech that i'd actually ign0|you. honest speech that i'd actually ign0|you. i honest speech that i'd actually ign0|you. i mean, honest speech that i'd actually ign0|you. i mean, i'm honest speech that i'd actually ign0|you. i mean, i'm sure1est speech that i'd actually ign0|you. i mean, i'm sure it's with you. i mean, i'm sure it's very important. mean, very important. i mean, scrapping a—levels, trying to do, appreciate do, which i appreciate this in theory, it's those theory, but it's one of those endless it's myth of sisyphus endless it's a myth of sisyphus kind scenario because you're kind of scenario because you're constantly work constantly trying to work against nature . against human nature. >> he to minimise the >> but he wants to minimise the sort of difference in esteem and status between a—levels and what they currently t levels , they currently call t levels, which practical which are more practical qualifications like. yeah, it's similar to an apprenticeship and, and i approve of that, but you will always struggle to convince people to what's the word conceal. there is an academic gap between work hard work and then learning how to use some tools. >> the question is can the state, can the government change this? and from what i know about this? and from what i know about this country, it's micromanaging the educational system. let the schools decide what they want to do. take the government out of it. >> and this would be you could go with that to an extent and say, i've been a long say, i've been saying for a long time, system for schools. >> teachers get some choice

where spend their voucher. where they spend their voucher. so you got, get so every child you got, you get six year, can six grand a year, you can spend it some schools it where you want. some schools might might it where you want. some schools migh baccalaureate might it where you want. some schools migh baccalaureate as might it where you want. some schools migh baccalaureate as they1ight it where you want. some schools migh baccalaureate as they call. offer baccalaureate as they call it. some might offer more it. some might offer a more american system. might american system. some might just say, kid . just say, we'll train your kid. just generally, it'll be a liberal education or something better, which which is not take which is which is not take people's money and not give it out . out. >> how about that? >> how about that? >> and not saying kids are cool, just like have them. >> you know what? if they're not trained, they're not trained and they has to the they and somebody has to dig the ditches country without ditches in this country without without laboun >> what do you think, nick? >> what do you think, nick? >> well, i think there's so much more to get on to in this speech, haven't even speech, which we haven't even touched to yet, which is the big it reveal because it wasn't a big reveal because it wasn't a big reveal because it wasn't a big reveal because it big was it wasn't a big reveal because it big part was it wasn't a big reveal because it big part of was it wasn't a big reveal because it big part of the was it wasn't a big reveal because it big part of the speech.was the big part of the speech. and he every penny would he said that every penny would be said, i'm be reinvested. so he said, i'm scrapping it. but 36 billion is going to the north. >> other types investment, >> in other types of investment, you could argue every penny would the 100 billion he would be the 100 billion that he was would wasted. would be the 100 billion that he was i would wasted. would be the 100 billion that he was i that's d wasted. would be the 100 billion that he was i that's perfectly ted. >> but i think that's perfectly i people seem to >> but i think that's perfectly i hs2. people seem to >> but i think that's perfectly i hs2. i people seem to >> but i think that's perfectly i hs2. i don'tjle seem to >> but i think that's perfectly i hs2. i don't most em to >> but i think that's perfectly i hs2. i don't most people think hs2. i don't most people many people think it a many people think it was a mistake . so i think going mistake. so i think he's going to trouble for

to get in too much trouble for that. the big question for me is, this enough? is, was this speech enough? they needed a kind of hail mary. i don't think it was that it was decent. sunak always don't think it was that it was decent across sunak always don't think it was that it was decent across smartrunak always don't think it was that it was decent across smart , nak always don't think it was that it was decent across smart , nice, lways comes across smart, nice, intelligent. about intelligent. he cares about fiscal responsibility. >> his wife gave him a great intro, which was to see. intro, which was nice to see. >> and a world where he's in >> and in a world where he's in all the photographs as well, she's livened up the she's obviously livened up the picture. >> interesting, >> it was interesting, but was it my question, i'm >> that's my question, and i'm not and not quite sure it was. and farage, as we know, has been dominating the conference. my big prediction i'm the first person farage big prediction i'm the first pers get farage big prediction i'm the first pers get the farage big prediction i'm the first pers get the tories. �*age will get into the tories. >> become leader and he >> he will become leader and he will win a general election. >> given at >> i've even given a date at 2029, person. 2029, not the first person. i'm the ring, but the first person to ring, but maybe this show, number one, maybe on this show, number one, it has been an ovennhelmingly positive front positive reaction on the front pages, front page, which is pages, one front page, which is possibly heretical , is the guardian. >> and they also have a story about england being the most difficult place to find home. difficult place to find a home. >> yeah . so england most >> yeah. so england most difficult place to find a home. it much does what says it pretty much does what it says on quite shocking on the tin. quite shocking really. the really. it comes from the organisation for economic cooperation and development. organisation for economic coowho.ion and development. organisation for economic coowho could d development. organisation for economic coowho could haveielopment. organisation for economic coowho could haveielbetterlt. organisation for economic coowho could haveielbetter name ? >> but the idea is that england has the percentage has the lowest percentage of

vacant capita and vacant homes per capita and other problems where a quarter of private renters are overburdened housing costs overburdened by housing costs and so on. plus they don't even mention, as as i can see, mention, as far as i can see, that whole process is a that the whole process is a nightmare you try buy nightmare when you try and buy a home could fall home in england could fall through any time. it can go through at any time. it can go on for. >> the thing that's >> but the worst thing that's happened >> but the worst thing that's happe atd >> but the worst thing that's happe at the moment is home at the moment surely is the elevation of interest rates. right. that has made it extraordinarily this extraordinarily difficult. this is the thing can't control. >> yeah, well, don't mention that million that there are a million people coming this coming into the country this yean coming into the country this year. and you know this year. and you know what this is? this that's this is something that's been put the builders put up by the home builders federation more federation who want more building. is basically building. so this is basically this is a pr pitch. it's not it's a non news item. >> you're only going to get that. well, that's the way the news operates these days. but you're that you're only going to get that from who build from people who want to build houses, but they're not necessarily to necessarily evil for wanting to do that. asking that do that. they're asking that most i think observers most i think neutral observers say laws are say that planning laws are extraordinarily draconian and impenetrable in this way . impenetrable in this way. >> they don't they don't say that. >> and reason. yeah >> and for good reason. yeah because you've got environmental laws. >> it is very difficult. can i just say one more thing well? just say one more thing as well? yeah. gone

yeah. the guardian have gone with ignites with the idea that sunak ignites tory after claiming tory civil war after claiming he's candidate . he's the change candidate. >> pitch >> that is a difficult pitch when for 13 when you've been in for 13 years. trying to years. yeah, he's trying to be the candidate. the change candidate. he's having starmer and it having a pop at starmer and it sounds like they're the opposition and starmer is in. that's strange is going opposition and starmer is in. th drift strange is going opposition and starmer is in. th drift to strange is going opposition and starmer is in. th drift to blairismi going opposition and starmer is in. th drift to blairism and 1g to drift back to blairism and finish with the daily star finish off with the daily star very quickly. >> hit the skids. >> we've really hit the skids. bogroll epidemic. what don't bogroll epidemic. what i don't understand there's a lot understand well, there's a lot of criminality going on out there because. >> no , because the laws >> because no, because the laws are enforced and are not being enforced and people aren't being punished. i mean, is it because the laws aren't enforced or is because aren't enforced or is it because there's in the there's been a change in the natural inclination of people just to respect the law? >> because think shoplifting >> because i think shoplifting would to police if would be impossible to police if everyone started doing it? well, it be easy police if it would be easy to police if they somebody and maybe they arrested somebody and maybe killed them. >> people need to killed. >> but people need to be killed. i'm need to be i'm not saying they need to be killed. making joke killed. i'm making a joke when i say of course. but at the say that, of course. but at the end of the day, people used to be australia. be used to be sent to australia. they killed , and then they used to be killed, and then they australia they were sent to australia for stealing . they were sent to australia for ste.weg . don't have the sort >> we just don't have the sort of moral code the of moral, the moral code of the pastoralist communities. the shepherds knew that you wouldn't

be able to protect all your flocks, the flocks, so you had to make the punishment so punishment for stealing ones. so extraordinarily vicious. >> got i didn't >> well, if you've got i didn't think shepherds come so think shepherds would come up so early in the show tonight. >> getting shepherds in >> i'm getting shepherds in earlier every night. earlier and earlier every night. do you have anything on do you have anything to say on that go to the break? >> i think they're going to we're about we're talking later about vigilantes civil arrests. vigilantes and civil arrests. so they're people they're going have to get people are for are going to be tackled for trying bog roll out of trying to get bog roll out of the shop. >> well, i think there is something we >> well, i think there is somithing we >> well, i think there is somithing one we >> well, i think there is somithing one the we >> well, i think there is somithing one the other we see i think one of the other things all talking things is and we're all talking about social about this all the time, social media of the world perceptions of how the world works. much video works. we see so much video content nowadays of people behaving , often behaving badly in shops, often from america. target and walmart. you know, people just blatantly shoplifting . i can't blatantly shoplifting. i can't be surprised that that's not shoplifting . shoplifting. >> that's rioting and looting, rioting and looting. >> take a look into the >> let's take a look into the next break. we have karl urban footprints in the sand and carnivore dogs in the doghouse. that's all coming up in the next section. keep it here. we'll see you in

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and welcome back to headliners. >> i'm simon evans joined tonight by louis schaefer and nick dixon . so louis we kick off nick dixon. so louis we kick off this section with the times and a new police initiative which should liven up the shop i >> well, i'm not saying it's a new police initiative because it was it was presented at some at the at some fringe event at the tory conference. this guy chris philp. yeah. is that the way you pronounce his name? i think so, yeah. chris philp i think that's a romanian name. i actually looked the minister looked it up. he's the minister for for crime policing and for state for crime policing and fire, and he's advocating retail was basically only grabbing people by the leg and doing a citizen's arrest and indeed fellow shoppers as well . fellow shoppers as well. >> citizen's arrest, of course, is one of those. it's almost a sort of mythical all possibility, isn't it, in you usually learn about it when you're 14 or 15 and you start fantasising about superhero action until you try it action until until you try it and you get arrested because you've used too much force or you've used too much force or you get stabbed, of course. or i

mean, i can't imagine many situations i'm 58. maybe it's not aimed maybe it's a not aimed at me. maybe it's a young game. citizens young man's game. citizens arrest, but i wouldn't recommend it anyone i know. it to anyone i know. >> we reached the >> no, it's. we reached the vigil stage our culture. vigil stage of our culture. encourage vigilantism. i mean, it's in a time it's extraordinary in a time where people have knives and will stab you just for fun, machetes . yes. swords. the machetes. yes. swords. the idea that you should be tackling people . i that you should be tackling people. i mean, philip that you should be tackling people . i mean, philip here says people. i mean, philip here says that where it's safe to do so i think where where is it safe? singapore. where is it safe to do so? >> really old lady taking a tin of cat food and you just read it, the magna carta. and you know that you're well, know that you're probably, well, someone some of, like, know that you're probably, well, someon deformity ne of, like, know that you're probably, well, someondeformityne somethinge, know that you're probably, well, someondeformityne something .. genital deformity or something. >> somebody who is, really >> somebody who is, like, really in . not that i'm in bad shape. not that i'm against any of that. i look at in bad shape. not that i'm agatie. any of that. i look at in bad shape. not that i'm agatie. you of that. i look at in bad shape. not that i'm agatie. you didn'tt. i look at in bad shape. not that i'm agatie. you didn't mention at in bad shape. not that i'm agatie. you didn't mention my my tie. you didn't mention my tie . look at tie. dee dee dee tie. look at my tie. dee dee dee john mauger this tie from john mauger got this tie from maybe or something. maybe carry mace or something. >> that. >> that's that. >> that's that. >> you know what? no, you >> it's, you know what? no, you can't it. because that would can't do it. because that would be probably some be that would be probably some violation of some british engush violation of some british engalso terrible because we saw >> also terrible because we saw it america where

it happen in america where daniel penny tackled that guy and a manslaughter and ended up with a manslaughter charge. even police charge. and even the police here are their guns are handing over their guns because protected. because they're not protected. what protection am i going to have i. how you punch what protection am i going to hav(in i. how you punch what protection am i going to hav(in sainsbury's? you punch guy in sainsbury's? >> is . the >> i know it is. the supermarkets have come supermarkets and co—op have come up occasionally. how up by name occasionally. how about a red button on about you have a red button on the that allows citizen the door that allows a citizen to just close doors until to just close the doors until help and then you can help arrives and then you can all run around shop ? all just run around the shop? >> well, seen in >> well, i've seen that in america. that. and america. they have that. and then is they smash then what they do is they smash through cause an through it and they cause an unbelievable of. unbelievable amount of. >> problem go >> the other problem is they go that the guy that pressed that was the guy that pressed the red last and the red button last week and then gets you. then the whole gang gets you. yeah, the yeah, nick, staying with the times, get moment times, time to get a moment of self—examination and reflection out the way. out of the way. >> story coming from >> this story is coming from inside the house. yeah. thanks for one to for giving this one to me. >> laurence by >> this is laurence fox by gb news arrested over ulez news and arrested over ulez vandalism claim. now the first part will come as no surprise. sadly, we've heard. i think enough about that probably. and i laurence best he i wish laurence the best and he knows that's knows that. and that's unfortunate. second was unfortunate. the second part was outrageous . these police came to outrageous. these police came to his house. there's so many more things the could be doing things the police could be doing

there house, there in laurence fox's house, looking for evidence that he's the of the guy behind the the sort of the guy behind the ulez, the blade runners. he's the kingpin of the blade runners and, you know, you think of all the other things the police could be doing. now, there is the that laurence the argument that laurence is sort of implied that he would take down and take these cameras down and therefore, perhaps he's asking for again, for it. but then again, you go chris on channel 4 on chris packham on channel 4 on a state broadcaster , openly state owned broadcaster, openly said, it's time to start said, i think it's time to start breaking law. is there breaking the law. so is there a two justice system? two tier justice system? >> and >> we have to ask? and it's funny, actually quite funny, they're actually on quite similar grounds well, aren't similar grounds as well, aren't they? on the climate they? it's all on the climate crisis. seems there crisis. so it seems like there is okay to break the is like it's okay to break the law you anxious the law if you are anxious about the climate , but not if you're climate, but not if you're anxious people trying to anxious about people trying to use climate in to order roll use the climate in to order roll out draconian measures against motorists. what do you think? well i think it's i think the whole thing is a tragedy because it affects us here at news, it affects us here at gb news, because, personally , you because, i mean, personally, you could say said something wrong. >> he said something illegal. but the fact is, is that seven police come to the guy's house without a warrant. you don't need in this country. need a warrant in this country. what soviet union ? i

what is this, soviet union? i don't know. >> i mean, no sense >> i mean, there is no sense that there's any connection between should between the two. so we should make i make that absolutely clear. i don't the police there is don't think the police there is there connection . there is a connection. >> they would have they >> they would not have they would arrested if would not have arrested him if he affiliated with gb he wasn't affiliated with gb news. that means any one of us. he wasn't affiliated with gb neils. that means any one of us. he wasn't affiliated with gb neil certainlyeans any one of us. he wasn't affiliated with gb neii certainly don't|ny one of us. he wasn't affiliated with gb neii certainly don't knowe of us. he wasn't affiliated with gb neii certainly don't know that. is. >> i certainly don't know that. we have no of that. we have no way of knowing that. and no indication and there's no indication he's been he's been certainly advocating damage. the question is, they will as will emerge is, as they will as will emerge in the courts, i imagine, is whether advocating is whether or not advocating it is considered to be a sort of accessory before. >> well, i apologise, but that's okay. >> i mean, but i think we have to be clear that there is no suggestion moment. to be clear that there is no sug no,:ion moment. to be clear that there is no sug no, there moment. to be clear that there is no sug no, there is moment. to be clear that there is no sug no, there is a moment. to be clear that there is no sug no, there is a suggestion, >> no, there is a suggestion, but it not it but there may not. it may not it may fact . so we're going may not be fact. so we're going to well, going to say, well, we're going to leave open. but it looks very leave it open. but it looks very dodgy. to say dodgy. are we allowed to say that, dodgy ? that, that it looks dodgy? >> to say that. >> you're allowed to say that. i think have to recognise that think we have to recognise that the police would dispute that. think we have to recognise that the |atice would dispute that. think we have to recognise that the |atice imoment.)ute that. yes, at the moment. >> you say that that's >> okay. you can say that that's your a connected good. your job, not a connected good. good simon. that's your good job, simon. that's your job. balance balance in a place where we know and climate change, tourism rather than activism was we used to call it

telly. >> i think this is yeah, well, well, i've been thinking about this a lot, about travelling around world. around the world. >> so this, this holiday >> and so this, this holiday firm, intrepid, intrepid travel, put out a little press release and that's what these that's what more and more of the news is. intrepid travel wanted is. so intrepid travel wanted their name in the newspaper so they did survey where they did a little survey where they did a little survey where they said what are the trends in climate change, tourism? what's going climate going to happen with climate change, and change, tourism? greece and majorca are going to be on fire and so people won't be able to go there. so going go there. so they're going to go slovenia, slovakia, fire. >> to public >> they used to be a public information films about that in the 70s. throw a wet tea cloth over it. >> that right? or was >> oh, is that right? or was that a campfire? that was that song fire . that was song wheels on fire. that was that the other one. and so that was the other one. and so and is this. so this is and so this is this. so this is saying be scared . the kids are saying be scared. the kids are scared. listen, the truth is , if scared. listen, the truth is, if the climate change is as serious as suggesting, britain the climate change is as serious as be suggesting, britain the climate change is as serious as be a uggesting, britain the climate change is as serious as be a destinationiritain the climate change is as serious as be a destination andin the climate change is as serious as be a destination and will will be a destination and will be earning fortune, will be earning a fortune, will be able overtake france. able to overtake france. >> what you think? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> undennater? >> won't we be undennater? well, no, glorious. no, we'll be we'll be glorious. >> just be like 32

degrees. >> guatemala . yeah. well, this >> guatemala. yeah. well, this i mean, yeah, it's one of these things that sounds like a conspiracy til it happens. i mean, carbon passports and personal carbon allowances, all very and remember the very dystopian. and remember the c40 cities group already suggested that we should have one short haul flight every three years, and they're a group that 96 major urban that covers 96 major urban centres in six continents. they're serious you they're a serious group, you know, up with know, and they come up with this bizarre so, know, bizarre stuff. and so, you know, it's reality , isn't it? >> and suppose the question >> and i suppose the question a question should the ability question is should the ability to travel enjoy long haul? if it does become evident that the world that there is a consensus, rightly or wrongly, that this sort of stuff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sortof stuff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uff is, you know, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uninhabitable w, us rightly or wrongly, that this sorto an uninhabitable earth in all to an uninhabitable earth in all to an uninhabitable earth in a couple of generations, should that can use that be something you can use wealth to overcome, or should it be distributed just fairly? should if you've got should we say if you've got enough money you pay the enough money you can pay for the carbon offset, can as carbon offset, you can fly as often want should we often as you want or should we say you've got a thousand miles each bank each per person. you can bank them couple years them for a couple of years and have or you have a decent holiday, or you can breaks, you can have three city breaks, you know mean? give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe mean? give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answerzan? give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to ? give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to this give can have three city breaks, you kn0ithe answer to this question, you the answer to this question, which no one should be

>> which is no one should be thinking about this. it's a waste our time. i'm still waste of our time. i'm still waiting for the maldives to be flooded. not flooded flooded. and they're not flooded and happening. and and nothing is happening. and they've in they've got tidal gauges in every major city around the world and there's no increase in the what's going on. the tides in what's going on. and impossible and it's almost impossible to measure the water is measure whether the water is going and down. so, listen to going up and down. so, listen to me. you're so me. you're only 58. you're so young. i wouldn't i wouldn't worry. i wouldn't about it worry. i wouldn't worry about it . i'm not i am not worried about climate change. >> now, and experts >> mirror now, nick and experts claim abuse claim that sexual abuse of children can be no worse than strict parenting. >> yeah, strict parenting habit can be as damaging to kids as sexual abuse experts warn. and you immediately think, nah, that's not true. i mean, that's ridiculous. but but it's saying 40% of children are affected by verbal abuse and they risk greater. have a greater greater. they have a greater risk of self—harm, drug use, and even life. even jail time in later life. i don't means greater don't know if that means greater than just than sexual abuse or just greater than greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididn'tn greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididn't get greater than than sexual abuse or just greaididn't get verbalter than than sexual abuse or just greaididn't get verbal abusen than sexual abuse or just greaididn't get verbal abuse . they didn't get verbal abuse. yeah. yeah. so they talk yeah. yeah. and so they talk about by about this characterised by shouting, yelling , denigrating shouting, yelling, denigrating the hasn't done the child. well, who hasn't done that? i mean, i'm not a parent,

but, know, i think the but, you know, i think the conclusion simon, conclusion is. simon, it's better them. i think better to hit them. i think that's that's what that's what that's what i'm getting piece. mean, that's what that's what i'm gettircan piece. mean, that's what that's what i'm gettircan you piece. mean, that's what that's what i'm gettircan you fyou�*. mean, that's what that's what i'm gettircan you fyou�*. meanjdo what can you do? you couldn't do it, right? >> it is famously it's >> i mean, it is famously it's one newspaper >> i mean, it is famously it's one endlessly newspaper >> i mean, it is famously it's one endlessly guilt newspaper >> i mean, it is famously it's one endlessly guilt nnyouiaper has endlessly guilt trip you about, that much. too much, about, not that much. too much, too less more less. about, not that much. too much, too course, more less. about, not that much. too much, too course, also more less. about, not that much. too much, too course, also the ore less. about, not that much. too much, too course, also the parents but of course, also the parents are constantly not getting enough sleep. constantly infuriated , constantly trying to infuriated, constantly trying to balance all kinds of one child's well behaved. the other one isn't well behaved. what do you do? behaved see do? let the well behaved one see that. the other one goes unpunished? impossible job. impossible. >> well, this is i think nick is right, basically it's right, because basically it's saying childhood verbal saying that childhood verbal abuse, shouting, yelling, threatening and criticising a child unfairly is not strict parenting , it's abuse. and so parenting, it's abuse. and so it's not that strict parenting , it's not that strict parenting, as the headline says , strict as the headline says, strict parenting habit can be damaging to kids. no, it's not that it's damaging. it's a bad parenting is damaging. it's a kid screaming at kids. >> there's always this distinction drawn in all the parenting manuals between authoritative and authoritarian, essentially. so are you are you like behaving like a tyrant,

like behaving like a tyrant, like a dictator, which who has no or is it the rule of law and you're strict in enforcing? >> you have both of those. >> well, no, you don't to >> well, no, you don't need to be then. be a tyrant because then. >> you be. but >> no, but you have to be. but you're boss. you have you're still the boss. you have to authoritarian. to be authoritarian. you've got to be authoritarian. you've got to you're not to tell the kid you're not running street because running into the street because if authoritarian and that if you're authoritarian and that means source of the means you're the source of the law, . law, you're judged. >> you at some times >> you need to you at some times you you're not going you need to say you're not going into road. into that road. >> sometimes you to say , >> sometimes you need to say, you not me. you know what, it's not me. >> all the time don't >> a rule all the time you don't need to be with. >> so you're >> yeah, well, so you're enforcing into enforcing it. you're going into the to be in the road. you're going to be in trouble. now, louis, trouble. guardian now, louis, i'm good dogs . trouble. guardian now, louis, i'm good dogs. i'm a very i'm a very good dogs. i'm a very good parent. >> are . in theory, >> of course you are. in theory, i was. >> it was for of years >> it was for a couple of years before stopped my kids. before i stopped seeing my kids. anyway so vegan dogs , dogs. anyway so vegan dogs, dogs. sorry. is in the guardian. sorry. this is in the guardian. of course. the guardian is pushing veganism. it's. they're saying dogs going vegan saying world's dogs going vegan could more emissions than could save more emissions than the produces. and these are the uk produces. and these are researchers at the university of winchester. they're saying that they are trying to get convinced dogs and cats to go vegan or the people who own them to go vegan

and because because they're eating plant. it is a lie , a eating plant. it is a lie, a total lie, which is animals cause co2 increases. that's a lie. it's a lie that co2 increases are destroying the planet , the whole thing. you've planet, the whole thing. you've got to start come in and say, lewis, most people don't believe this, but this is a lie. and anyway, dogs are omnivorous. but basically carnivorous. they eat a lot. >> i agree that dogs don't really like eating a vegetable and neither do i. am surprised. i'm amazed they're saying like ten. if they could cut out all something like 10% of the animal food that's produced. so food that's that's produced. so it goes into dogs , that's extraordinary. >> but you know what? it has no relationship with with pollution. has and which pollution. and it has and which whatever pollutant, not even pollution with this climate change ridiculousness . change ridiculousness. >> what do you think, nick? >> what do you think, nick? >> well, it's dog abuse, isn't it? we've already it? i mean, we've already domesticated dogs taking them from humiliated them from wolves and humiliated them and now can't even eat and now they can't even eat meat, which is appalling. and then , well, don't then you think, well, why don't they pets? and then you think, well, why don't they there pets? and then you think, well, why don't they there been pets? and then you think, well, why don't they there been suggested that there has been suggested by

these remember? so that's where this they go, this goes. and then they go, why don't get people? don't we just get rid of people? must planet. no must be a lovely planet. just no one that's where it goes. one on it. that's where it goes. >> exactly right. that's >> nick is exactly right. that's exactly what it's all about. i do think we hate people and we ate people's dogs and pets . ate people's dogs and pets. >> i do think possibly that, you know, we've seen things like lab grown and the fake and all grown meat and the fake and all that stuff no human that stuff and no, no human really that stuff. that stuff and no, no human real maybe that stuff. that stuff and no, no human real maybe couldiat stuff. that stuff and no, no human realmaybe couldiat stuff. with but maybe we could get away with that you can't. that with dogs. no, you can't. >> gates is my friend. >> bill gates is my friend. >> bill gates is my friend. >> one of my closest >> dog meat. one of my closest friends a beautiful, friends had a beautiful, beautiful that beautiful dog, even a dog that i liked. not a dog lover liked. and i'm not a dog lover and a beautiful died and a beautiful dog died of cancer crunchy cancer because she ate a crunchy , plant based diet that say, a crunchy bar. horrible that is it for part two. >> coming up , for part two. >> coming up, we have for part two. >> coming up , we have witchcraft >> coming up, we have witchcraft in animals in heaven and in devon. animals in heaven and naughty keegan and kevin. a little bit of a twist there to make that work. but anyway , make that work. but anyway, hopefully it's satisfied you. we'll a couple of

radio. and welcome back to headliners. >> so the guardian now, nick exeter university is likely to

become exeter university. oh yeah. >> get it? yeah, i got it. it's good. but of course they won't get it yet until i explain the story, which is that british university offers master's degree occult. degree in magic and the occult. so as you say, university of exeter and there's an interesting line here. this is exeter and there's an inteiguardian|e here. this is exeter and there's an inteiguardian byiere. this is exeter and there's an inteiguardian byiere.way. is the guardian by the way. it says, been getting the guardian by the way. it sayscrystals been getting the guardian by the way. it sayscrystals manifesting ng the guardian by the way. it sayscrystals manifesting your into crystals manifesting your dream board or exploring feminist readings of witchcraft, i thought you're probably a guardian the actual guardian reader, but the actual answer you can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito you can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the] can take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next take your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next leveltake your guardian reader, but the actual answeito the next level with {our hobby to the next level with basically a degree satanism. basically a degree in satanism. that's and you know that's what it is. and you know what? think this okay to what? i think this is okay to study were study academically if you were doing , but doing it purely objectively, but that's the vibe i that's not really the vibe i get. they talk about decolonisation. was the decolonisation. that was the thing i noticed. >> turning into >> she's turning it into a decolonisation stroke. racism feminism. it's being made into a left wing thing. whereas actually the occult and magic that's neutral politically , that's neutral politically, right? there's people, a lot of people are into that quite people are into that are quite right and the right wing libertarian and the church of satan. >> not really tends to be leftist. days, but yeah, leftist. these days, but yeah, exactly. decolonisation feminism, anti—racism and

they're talking about the growth of this kind of thing, which is because of the decline in organised another way organised religion. another way of declined of putting it is we've declined from christianity satanism. from christianity to satanism. >> the da >> it all started with the da vinci course which vinci code. of course, which re—established the notion of like the feminine like the divine feminine as being at the heart of all true religions and the and the patriarchal catholic church having ruined what do you having ruined that. what do you think, louis? >> i didn't read that book. >> you didn't read it? no. >> you didn't read it? no. >> this this is this >> i mean, this this is this sounds like one those classes sounds like one of those classes at school where that sounds like really fun and really easy and you get there and the teacher is like saying, we're going to this is business, and you is serious business, and you just regret taking it. took just regret taking it. i took a course like this at bard college called leisure, thought called leisure, and i thought it was so easy. was going to be so easy. >> mean, i'm going to you >> i mean, i'm going to say, you know, ago, if you know, 30 years ago, if you wanted a degree in magic, wanted to do a degree in magic, good luck to you. now you're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito k to you. now you're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito comeou. now you're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come outnow you're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out ofn you're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out of thatj're wanted to do a degree in magic, good ito come out of that with going to come out of that with 50 debt, at 50 grand's worth of debt, at least you're going to wonder how many to employ many people are going to employ you. going to open many people are going to employ y(shop? going to open a shop? >> necessarily vocation >> not necessarily vocation in new >> not necessarily vocation in neiunless you become it feels >> unless you become it feels like actual of luxury anyway i >> louis gay sex in the animal kingdom that valuable

kingdom that serves a valuable purpose. , nothing to do purpose. and yes, nothing to do with purpose. and yes, nothing to do witino, it's nothing but gay sex >> no, it's nothing but gay sex between animals evolved for a very reason. and the very important reason. and the reason that animals are reason is, is that animals are really, really beautiful . really, really beautiful. they're just lovely. lovely doe eyes and lovely rumps. >> and between animals here, not between animals . between animals. >> okay. anyway, i guess it's not gay sex then. these are researchers in spain who are saying that there are 1500 species who are who have some kind of gay sex thing. and. and and. and so they did a review of the studies and they came up with an answer, which is not an answer. it's just like a guess of why these animals are getting along. non—story along. this is a total non—story because they said that's getting along. animals can along. because if animals can have sex each other in the have sex with each other in the absence of opposite sex absence of mates of opposite sex mates, is that they can get along better with each other . along better with each other. >> so the idea is it reduces intrasexual competition, which can to bloodshed and can lead to bloodshed and destroy species . destroy the species. >> well, that's not covered that well article. well in the article. my favourite trying well in the article. my faifigure trying well in the article. my faifigure they'reing well in the article. my faifigure they're doing to figure out why they're doing it and it says it includes cases

of identity, of mistaken identity, limited availability partners availability of partners or sexual . so it's sexual frustration. so it's essentially shortsightedness , essentially shortsightedness, you know, prison conditions or incels . basically they're incels. >> this is animal incels we talked before about rene girard , probably rene girard. you talk about quite recent philosopher of french origin taught in stanford , taught peter thiel, stanford, taught peter thiel, the great investor , and taught the great investor, and taught him everything he knows and he has this theory that all desire is mimetic. you only want what you want, what you see other people wanting, what see people wanting, what you see there that this people wanting, what you see thercreate that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of that this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of friction this people wanting, what you see thercreate a lot of friction in s can create a lot of friction in human as well. all men human societies as well. all men tend decide 2 women tend to decide that 1 or 2 women are most ones. are the most beautiful ones. there scant there may be very scant difference , but as soon they difference, but as soon as they start become most desired start to become the most desired or because they or women like you because they see attractive see you with an attractive woman, exactly woman, that's classic. exactly who with. who they associate you with. a powerful or an expensive powerful watch or an expensive car, whatever. and an apple guy. i'm pointing this one, i'm not pointing this one, but you know, your man understands i'm not pointing this one, but yotthisiw, your man understands i'm not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway,man understands i'm not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway, son understands i'm not pointing this one, but yotthis anyway, son un isrstands all this anyway, so this is where says awful lot of where he says an awful lot of inter—tribal aggression comes from this because you can't all have the same thing. and it seems like animals have found a

solution this. solution to this. >> who came up solution to this. >> that who came up solution to this. >> that stuff who came up solution to this. >> that stuff was ho came up solution to this. >> that stuff was probably up with that stuff was probably thorstein , if you thorstein veblen, if you know him. did the theory, the him. and he did the theory, the theory the of the theory of the work of the leisure class is the idea of conspicuous consumption, right? and from the 1900s. and that was from the 1900s. anyway, there's no such thing as gay sex. >> can i say the gb news >> can i just say the gb news haters? sorry if they heard simon's position on giroux, simon's diss position on giroux, they'd the they'd be like, this is not the channel i've channel i thought, sorry, i've missed you. >> and thinking of the footballer. >> sorry . >> sorry. >> sorry. >> singapore news now in the guardian . nick it's putting ulez guardian. nick it's putting ulez into perspective. certainly. >> yeah . this is certificate to >> yeah. this is certificate to own a car in singapore. rockets to $106,000, which is extraordinary . it just seems extraordinary. it just seems absolutely mad. i mean , itjust absolutely mad. i mean, itjust seems to be that is the case. it's just rocketed. it's all to do with demand. and it was it was less during the pandemic then it went up . then it went up. >> this is essentially congestion charge. but you pay for one right. and congestion charge. but you pay for kind one right. and it's kind of. >> yeah. and what's so shocking is, know, people talked >> yeah. and what's so shocking is, singaporeople talked >> yeah. and what's so shocking is, singaporeoplithames. about singapore on thames. you thought meant some sort of thought that meant some sort of free market paradise. actually just rationing just means a sort of rationing system where it's hard system where it's very hard to afford thrown jail

afford even a car thrown in jail for well, that's afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. well, that's afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. at well, that's afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. at leastiiell, that's afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. at least they that's afford even a car thrown in jail for thing. at least they solved the thing. at least they solved the thing. at least they solved the what? we'll have the crime. what? we'll have if we down route a sort we go down this route is a sort of authoritarian of crime ridden authoritarian hellhole . at least they sort the hellhole. at least they sort the gun problem. this gun problem. but this sociologist is saying that sociologist tan is saying that it's the singapore dream that you have cash condominium and a car which is not a great dream. but that gone and car which is not a great dream. bu'says that gone and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the at gone and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the dream gone and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the dream ofie and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the dream of a and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the dream of a good and car which is not a great dream. bu'says the dream of a good life he says the dream of a good life has gone. now it's enough has gone. now it's a good enough life. have. life. well, they have. >> mean, i've been to >> i mean, it's i've been to singapore of times. singapore a couple of times. i can't you. i really like, singapore a couple of times. i can'i you. i really like, singapore a couple of times. i can'i don'tou. i really like, singapore a couple of times. i can'i don't i'mi really like, singapore a couple of times. i can'i don't i'm not|lly like, singapore a couple of times. i can'i don't i'm not|lly ligreat but i don't i'm not that great in of level of in that kind of level of temperature and humidity. but it's the most it's often held up as the most success. awful, like city state of the last 50 years. right. it took it from nothing, probably by cyclists. poverty to it's i think the second most like capitalist successful wealthy and yet it just seems to be incredibly dysfunctional in so many ways. well they have to do it. >> they have to do it because of the whatever. i'm not going to discuss with you, but discuss singapore with you, but it is dysfunctional. but the point the point is, is this is in the guardian, and point is, is this is in the guardie basically and point is, is this is in the guardiebasically preparing us, they're basically preparing us, nick and simon, for these kind of draconian taxes to prevent us

from owning cars to be net zero because they don't want us to drive. they don't want us to go anywhere. they want us to die. yeah. >> for balance, i do agree. i also like the position of on a story singapore refusing story about singapore refusing to discuss with you. to discuss singapore with you. yeah >> eccentric position as if it's some perversion of or some perversion of mine or something he's always something else. no he's always on singapore , yet more on about singapore, yet more vegan news enrage you now, vegan news to enrage you now, lewis. and it seems that carnivores lack genes lewis. and it seems that ca go 'ores lack genes lewis. and it seems that ca go vegetarianick genes lewis. and it seems that ca go vegetarian . k genes lewis. and it seems that ca go vegetarian . is genes lewis. and it seems that ca go vegetarian . is that enes lewis. and it seems that ca go vegetarian . is that right? to go vegetarian. is that right? >> yeah. well, that's what they you know, this is another of you know, this is another one of those is there's a study those stories is there's a study in plos one, which is a publication , a science publication, a science publication, a science publication that says that says that some of its headline is meat eaters may not have the gene genes to cope with vegetarianism , you need special vegetarianism, you need special genes that vegetarians are able to actually live on a vegetarian diet. the question is, what is a vegetarian diet? does it include eggs? does it include cheese? we don't know what it is anyway. do they mean a vegan diet? a vegan diet untenable . it's because diet is untenable. it's because it it misses 15 or more it has it misses 15 or more necessary nutrient .

necessary nutrient. >> and what i suppose is the question about cravings. and to be honest, think that's more be honest, i think that's more like than than like grease and salt than than some. it's what people think some. it's not what people think of as cravings. i don't of as meat cravings. i don't think cravings. think those are meat cravings. i think those are meat cravings. i think cravings for some think they're cravings for some flavour. , they are not. flavour. no, no, they are not. >> as a person who eats 100% meat and my thai says beef is not it's your body is not a craving. it's your body is missing necessary nutrients, missing the necessary nutrients, of which there are 15 that are not in a vegan diet. of which there are 15 that are not in a vegan diet . leucine, not in a vegan diet. leucine, all this stuff is not in there, so it's not in the genes. >> i mean, the genes do affect whether or not your tie is in close up. genes do affect whether not the you can give whether or not the you can give up smoking, for instance. that's been proven. some people find generation won't have face it. >> thanks to rishi. that's right but yeah have to say but yeah i mean i have to say i agree with louis again. i mean, vegetables make me ill and vegetarians me ill. vegetarians make me ill. but it's apparently 64% of self—identified vegetarians still eat fish or poultry. it's a myth . you can't actually a a myth. you can't actually be a vegetarian. what we're vegetarian. this is what we're learning. like occasionally except for, like occasionally there's some 102 year old woman on somewhere only on an island somewhere who only eat whatever . but eat algae or whatever. but mainly, a myth .

mainly, i think it's a myth. >> it is a myth. it is a myth. >> it is a myth. it is a myth. >> times now we balance. >> times now we need balance. kevin showing every one kevin keegan showing every one of years, as claims , of his 72 years, as he claims, women's is not women's football is not identical to men's. >> good luck to kevin . >> yeah, good luck to kevin. kevin criticises lady kevin keegan criticises lady footballers talking about england so i mean, look, england men. so i mean, look, obviously totally against obviously we're totally against any kind of misogyny, but you know , kevin keegan has said know, kevin keegan has said he's not it . he doesn't not as keen on it. he doesn't really to the ladies really listen to the ladies talking about england men's talking about the england men's team think team because he doesn't think it's the same experience. he thinks game. thinks it's a different game. essentially, though, did essentially, though, he did concede terry yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughterr yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughter ,yorath essentially, though, he did concede daughter , meaning gabby yorath's daughter, meaning gabby logan, is good. so you know, it's fair enough. really. it's a lot of people feel this way. you're not really allowed to say it, it's a different game. it, but it's a different game. you the men have played it, but it's a different game. you game the men have played it, but it's a different game. you game .ie men have played it, but it's a different game. you game . womenhave played it, but it's a different game. you game . womenhavecomeed on that game. women can come out on the and some people that game. women can come out on the think and some people that game. women can come out on the think two and some people that game. women can come out on the think two cross ome people that game. women can come out on the think two cross over. )eople don't think the two cross over. >> to although >> i tend to agree, although i suppose i am always feel a bit of a hypocrite because i don't really like watching football that still that much anyway. but i still feel kind of feel it's a bit more kind of authentic see somebody authentic when you see somebody who they've had who looks as if they've had a few on pitch. few bruises on the pitch. i mean, that's you're mean, i guess that's what you're doing doing doing is, is you're doing the right you're right thing, which is you're judging this article based on

the which is kevin the headline, which is kevin keegan lady keegan criticised lady footballers . footballers. >> yeah, but the truth is there was there was very was very little there was very little criticism, says little criticism, he says the presenters, we have now, meaning the lady. of girls are the lady. some of the girls are so better than the so good they are better than the guys. it's great time for the guys. it's a great time for the ladies to be presenters , so it's ladies to be presenters, so it's hardly a criticism . hardly a criticism. >> you no, the only criticism he made was he was saying when you watch man's game and you have watch a man's game and you have an x woman's an x female an x, an x woman's an x female player rather than commentator. yeah, she says, what would yeah, she says, what i would have done in that situation or what like, yeah , but what we and he's like, yeah, but it might not work in the men's game because different game because it's a different situation. actually quite situation. he's actually quite pro. women pro. he's certainly pro women playing, right? yeah. >> and because manager >> and because he was a manager , right about this , you're right about this. this is is lying. is the time is lying. >> it for this section in >> that's it for this section in the final section we have fitbit, fat lit, black cat and tit for tat got through it. see

to welcome back to the final part of headliners lewis kick us off now with the telegraph discussed feminine dietary challenges in language that should surely get them cancelled. >> yes because they use the fat word quarter of middle aged women are fit but not fat. study finds they did a study and they said that 27% of uk women men are metabolically healthy though they're fat. but at the same time , so this study says they're time, so this study says they're healthy , but they should lose healthy, but they should lose weight. they don't. why should they lose weight if they don't need to lose weight? >> i want to they're >> if i want to know if they're fat but fit or fit but fat, i feel but fit is they are feel fat. but fit is they are fat but fit. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> here's the but they say fit. but fat . but i >> here's the but they say fit. but fat. but i think it's fat. but fat. but i think it's fat. but fit isn't it what it is? >> going to tell what it >> i'm going to tell you what it is actually understand is because i actually understand this in the this thing and it wasn't in the article was on annual article and it was on the annual meeting of the european association of association for the study of diabetes is that it is possible to be healthy and fat because

what fat is, is a way for us to is a way to is a way to keep, to keep stores of food and water for the dark times during wintertime and people in northern climates , 27% of people northern climates, 27% of people in the north can are this way. but but asians and micronesia . but but asians and micronesia. asians less than 5% because they don't need to store their fat, so they don't have the ability to store fat. so store fat storage , if you have that storage, if you have that ability , you're in good shape ability, you're in good shape because fair enough. >> i know they have brown fat, which is also good for going into cold seas. >> yeah, because it produces heat. >> anything on this snake? don't forget to have to. >> nothing amazing. it just >> nothing amazing. itjust sounds like pearl davis sounds more like a pearl davis live telegraph live stream than a telegraph article. it live stream than a telegraph articomes it live stream than a telegraph articomes from it live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. it live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. andt live stream than a telegraph articomes from bmi. and the all comes from bmi. and the problem is a flawed problem is bmi is a flawed metric. >> absolutely excellent point, nick now and we stay with nick metro now and we stay with fitness and diet. >> we've seen a pill that kills appetite have magic appetite. now we have a magic muscle by the sound of it. muscle pill by the sound of it.

>> at least a magic >> well, or at least a magic cardio scientists >> well, or at least a magic cardiimade scientists >> well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scientists >> well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scito tists >> well, or at least a magic cardiimade a scito replace have made a pill to replace exercise, don't hang up the exercise, but don't hang up the train as yet. so there were two mice. simon in san diego in a facility. let take back facility. let me take you back to start this one was to the start of this one was called mouse , the called couch potato mouse, the other and other lance armstrong mouse. and you, cheated? that's you, like, cheated? well, that's the you sort of the thing. you think you sort of do that as a joke then do that as a joke and then you realise, it's taking realise, well, yes, it's taking a drug named gw 50151 6 realise, well, yes, it's taking a drug named gw 501516 or 5 one six for short, which is not a great abbreviation , but and that great abbreviation, but and that mimics effect of exercise on mimics the effect of exercise on the body. the only thing is it will boost metabolism and it will boost metabolism and it will them into thinking will trick them into thinking the muscles, thinking it will burn on. i'm burn more fat and so on. i'm not convinced stop lifting convinced you can stop lifting yet because it doesn't yet as mice because it doesn't give you muscle. although there is that moves is some evidence that it moves you twitch muscle you towards slow twitch muscle fibres. maybe that's on the fibres. so maybe that's on the on the horizon. but to me , i'd on the horizon. but to me, i'd consider taking this to stop the cardio because i hate cardio. but lifting in, but still, get your lifting in, still lifting and still get it lifting and mice and still get it lifting and mice ancdo whether still get it lifting and mice anc do whether mice still get it lifting and mice ancdo whether mice have >> do we know whether mice have the ratio of slow the same sort of ratio of slow and fast twitch or whether i mean, i know some have mean, i know some mice have human they? mean, i know some mice have human they've they? mean, i know some mice have human they've bred they? mean, i know some mice have human they've bred thnthat because they've bred them that way to be able to test

way in order to be able to test certain drugs them, they certain drugs on them, they actually like human lung actually have like human lung tissue. know . tissue. i know. >> i know. can i just say >> i don't know. can i just say this ? is just one more this? this is just one more newspaper drugs . this is newspaper pushing drugs. this is all they want to do. they want to they want to all to get they want to tell all of our going to be our problems. are going to be drug saved. the is the drug saved. the truth is the single you can do to get single thing you can do to get muscles is eat red meat. look at louis schaefer , 66 years old. louis schaefer, 66 years old. you can't feel do you want to feel the muscle here? you've still because still got to live because even with you live. with steroids, you don't live. >> a serious >> lewis is making a serious point here. i think there is an awful lot suggestion that we awful lot of suggestion that we can good behaviour by can eliminate good behaviour by just some miracle drug. just taking some miracle drug. at the moment, does seem at the moment, that does seem likeyeah, exactly . >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> i can't help thinking this is leading into , know, we've leading us into, you know, we've been kind of been warned about this kind of stuff. yes. >> they're right well >> they're pushing right or well , whatever. it all feels lift weights. >> it's like a forced impact or something, isn't it? >> don't have to lift >> you don't have to lift weights. >> okay, louis, over the >> okay, louis, over to the telegraph. further evidence that cats the cats are in league with the devil . devil. >> animals all the >> this is all animals all the time here. cats. we have mice. we dogs . this time here. cats. we have mice. we dogs. this is time here. cats. we have mice. we dogs . this is the we have dogs. this is the curator western

curator at the western australian museum. he found that 125 glow in the dark. 125 animals glow in the dark. wow. and this is like really big news, guys. wait a second. in 1911, they discovered this originally that humans that we actually glow in the dark. we do too. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah , we. and can i ask a >> yeah, we. and can i ask a question ? did did you. i read question? did did you. i read the article. i didn't see it. why glow in the dark? why do we glow in the dark? there was it postulated. >> is it phosphorescence normally it . normally isn't it. >> yeah. but why. no that's that's mysterious fluorescent properties. >> doesn't really answer it >> this doesn't really answer it does it. yeah. i love the sentence. people and rabbits were mammals have sentence. people and rabbits were fluorescentimals have sentence. people and rabbits were fluorescent property have shown fluorescent property people have you people and rabbits. have you ever noticed somebody ever noticed though somebody hair shining in the dark? >> i feel like that is a thing i've seen, although i can't remember where. but that feels right occasionally right that you occasionally nofice right that you occasionally notice glow coming notice a bit of a glow coming out people's heads. out of people's heads. >> could mine. >> yeah, it could be mine. look at magnificent hair at how magnificent my hair is. let's honest. let's be honest. >> mine certainly >> that's true. mine certainly glows kitchen bowls. glows more like kitchen bowls. >> it's very george clooney, nick. >> hello. win win for gaga . this >> hello. win win for gaga. this is in the times. yes, lady gaga

can keep $500,000 reward. >> she offered for stolen dogs. her stolen dogs. it should probably clarify not just any . probably clarify not just any. this is in 2021. ryan fischer was walking with these three french bulldogs and was shot in the chest quite horrifically . the chest quite horrifically. and jennifer mcbride has tried to claim the reward . the problem to claim the reward. the problem is she was in a relationship with the father of one of the robbers, and they did promise a no questions asked award. but it turns out there are some questions asked like , are you questions asked like, are you the is your boyfriend's son, the boy is your boyfriend's son, the boy is your boyfriend's son, the that stole the dog? the one that stole the dog? that's quite question, that's quite a key question, actually. a grift? yeah, actually. is this a grift? yeah, exactly. she's not going exactly. and so she's not going to get the money. and she claims she didn't know bulldogs she didn't know the bulldogs were no one were stolen property. no one thinks any sense . and thinks that makes any sense. and so, yeah, that's story. so, yeah, that's the story. i don't bulldogs don't know where these bulldogs came they're came from, but maybe they're yours gaga. mean, the most >> lady gaga. i mean, the most interesting thing i found out was lady real name , which was lady gaga's real name, which i'd never heard before . where i'd never heard before. where was it again? german yeah. interesting >> stefani germanotta. >> stefani germanotta. >> yeah , i think that's a better >> yeah, i think that's a better name than lady gaga .

name than lady gaga. >> i think the interesting thing about this story is, is that the chutzpah of the people who she was claiming the $500,000 prize as she wanted, another 1.5 million for damages for damages after the if they hadn't gone for that, they might have got away with it. >> it's hard to pick out. i can't work out whether they stole the dogs in hope that stole the dogs in the hope that a questions asked reward a no questions asked reward would whether they would be offered or whether they just because he he just shot this guy because he he was like target some other was like a target for some other purpose the dogs had some purpose or the dogs had some value . value. >> those at the time the dogs were that was very were taken. that was very bulldog. they very popular bulldog. they were very popular . think people are . for now, i think people are like throwing it feels to me like, a classic dog kidnapping. >> yeah. you know that she's going the dogs back. you going to want the dogs back. you kidnap can't prove this. going to want the dogs back. you kidrit) can't prove this. going to want the dogs back. you kidrit) feel:an't prove this. going to want the dogs back. you kidrit) feel:an't way,> this. but it does feel that way, doesn't it? the fact that this woman you woman who's adjacent to the you know, the she goes out with the father them, they father of one of them, they thought removed? thought that was enough removed? yeah and delivers them. yeah and then she delivers them. it's all. exactly. it's like a very crime. it's all. exactly. it's like a verja crime. it's all. exactly. it's like a verja strangers on a train where >> a strangers on a train where two strangers meet and discuss and realise they both need

somebody killed. so they agree to each other's target. to kill each other's target. yeah. mean, i probably got it yeah. i mean, i probably got it slightly but that's slightly wrong, but that's basically so there's plausible deniability . i can't possibly. deniability. i can't possibly. why i be there? why would i be there? and killing that person? why would i be there? and killyeah, at person? why would i be there? and killyeah, becausei? why would i be there? and killyeah, because somebody >> yeah, because somebody else was person >> yeah, because somebody else was out person >> yeah, because somebody else was out of person >> yeah, because somebody else was out of the person >> yeah, because somebody else was out of the killingn >> yeah, because somebody else was out of the killing and backed out of the killing and didn't want go ahead. it didn't want it to go ahead. it was just even backed was just did not even backed out. was just a joke that out. it was just a joke that mentioned other mentioned it. and the other person bit too person took it a bit too seriously . seriously. >> can happen. so that's a warning movie. finally, lewis , warning movie. finally, lewis, if you want to avoid speeding fines, do not take a leaf out of this bloke's book. >> motor fine for taping >> motor is fine for taping a leaf to obscure their licence plates. and this is in surrey and the surrey stop the speeding toyota corolla on the a3 in guildford yesterday and they have a picture possibly. >> keep talking. >> keep talking. >> yeah, it was a and there was a leaf taped to the front licence plate and the leaf taped to the back of the licence plate. >> you got to say it's really he's gone front and square with that, isn't he? >> yeah. fred i think i think well the guy said it was unbelievable . that's what i

unbelievable. that's what i didn't that. i i am didn't make that. i mean i am intrigued by all these ways that people speeding people try and beat speeding cameras. people try and beat speeding can buts. thing, people try and beat speeding canbuts. thing, he's got >> but one thing, he's got a leaf plates over the leaf on both plates over the same that to me is like same letter that to me is like his error. right because it's a coincidently it's obvious , coincidently it's obvious, whereas in reality, most speeding cameras only get you on the rear camera anyway , don't the rear camera anyway, don't they? not the case? they? is that not the case? >> . if they're >> right. but if they're stopped, stopped them. stopped, the cops stopped them. >> drive anymore. but >> i don't drive anymore. but yeah, he have right, yeah, he should have you. right, bill some of a yeah . bill in some more of a yeah. more elaborate less order in his leaf design on the same letter. >> yeah. you know, one. >> that's. yeah. you know, one. othennise with othennise spray it with hairspray and apparently that othennise spray it with hairsprthatid apparently that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when iarently that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when theitly that othennise spray it with hairsprthat when the flash|at othennise spray it with hairsprthat when the flash came meant that when the flash came it would just just dazzle it and it would just just dazzle it and it would just just dazzle it and it would read through. >> question is he >> the one question is if he advocate this, would advocate did this, would the police arrive at his house in a few days, just raiding few days, you know, just raiding his advocated his house because he advocated covering with a leaf covering your thing with a leaf thing? exact . thing? well, it's the exact. >> all our >> yeah, we covered all our niceness plates with leaves. that be quite you could that would be quite you could call it you leaves, couldn't you leave more leave the slightly more a slightly more gentle autumnal protest. >> but nick is right. they the police would come if the guy had been working for gb news.

>> yeah, i didn't say that part, lewis said. that part. >> now you say. say that >> now you say. you say that you're kidding. i'm kidding. even i'm kidding. what is or where is he? >> was. he was in guildford. okay yeah i honestly okay so it is. yeah i honestly think he's. he's overdone it there, but he's, you know, he's shown us some sort of path. the shown us some sort of path. the show is nearly over. let's take another thursday's another quick look at thursday's front we have the daily front pages. we have the daily telegraph with rishi and wife on the front there. huge decision is to change britain. that's banning smoking, changing a—levels and of course, closing hs2 . guardian sunak invites tory hs2. guardian sunak invites tory civil war after declaring he is changed candidate . the times son changed candidate. the times son of a pharmacist, cast himself as thatcher's heir daily mail day. rishi gave tories a reason to believe he can save us from keir's wokery express game changer rishi's radical policy blitz to fix britain and the daily star . we've really hit the daily star. we've really hit the skids. supermarket forced to put security tags on bog rolls to end shoplifting epidemic . those

end shoplifting epidemic. those were your front pages. that's all we have time for. thanks to my guest, lewis schaffer and nick doyle will be nick dixon. andrew doyle will be here tomorrow leo kurstin. here tomorrow with leo kurstin. lewis there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £201.05, or £306.85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments.

use with eamonn and isabel. >> and here's what's leading the news this morning. the prime minister has said people are right to be exhausted with politicians who are all talk and no action. of talk. in no action. plenty of talk. in his party conference speech will be getting reaction to a range of policies on health, education and transport that westminster is a broken system and the same goes for holyrood , cardiff bay goes for holyrood, cardiff bay and stormont. >> it is an anger , it's an

>> it is an anger, it's an exhaustion