>> good evening . rishi sunak is >> good evening. rishi sunak is in spain at the european political community. didn't talk about that in manchester, did he? we'll find out. is he wasting his time trying to get a migration deal with other eu leaders? is the governor of the bank of england says brexit has wait for it helped the city of london. goodness me, you could knock me down with a feather and at the end of a very, very heavy political week on programs, we're going to finish up talking rugby. england doing well in rugby. england are doing well in the world cup finals in the rugby world cup finals in france. our next game is on saturday. we'll be joined by former international jeff probyn to ask about the game of rugby and what prospects england have

. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening. well, the news begins with the story of a man who broke into windsor castle armed with a loaded crossbow with intent of killing the late queen. he's been sentenced today to nine years in jail for treason and just one single wounded into the grounds for two hours on christmas day in 2021. while the late queen was still in residence , the old bailey in residence, the old bailey heard he'd been encouraged by an artificial intelligence virtue loyal girlfriend with which he'd exchanged thousands of messages . as the judge said, jail was non—psychotic and therefore culpable when he devised his plot. but it had lost touch with reality and became psychotic by the time he carried it out . sir the time he carried it out. sir keir starmer has revealed today an extra 700,000 urgent dental

appointments would be introduced under labour plans to improve the nation's oral health. the party says it will also introduce supervised toothbrush washing in schools across england in order to tackle preventable tooth decay in children . people in most need of children. people in most need of treatments , including fillings treatments, including fillings and root canal work , would be and root canal work, would be prioritised under proposals aimed at rescuing nhs dentistry, as they call it . the plans would as they call it. the plans would be backed. labour says by £111 million a year, which they say will come from abolishing non—domiciled tax status. sir keir says labour wants to target areas where people can't get a dental appointment too many places across the country there's a desert out where you can't get an nhs dentist, so we also have a scheme in place to ensure that we get a newly qualified dentists into to those areas. >> so that's the immediate fix. but obviously in the longer term we need to do preventative measures. so the third limb of this is , is tooth brushing at

this is, is tooth brushing at schools where we've got the biggest problems in our breakfast clubs to make sure that children are brushing the right way and therefore we prevent some of problems . prevent some of the problems. >> well, as you've just been hearing, the prime minister is in spain and he's been meeting with ukrainian president, in spain and he's been meeting with uizelenskyy esident, in spain and he's been meeting with uizelenskyy saying, volodymyr zelenskyy saying europe face down the threat europe must face down the threat from russia. rishi sunak is there for the european political community summit. the prime minister condemned today's attack in ukraine and reiterated the uk's support for the country in their ongoing war. at least 51 people died after a russian missile hit a cafe in north eastern ukraine. it's reported the victims were holding a memorial service . at the time, memorial service. at the time, ukrainian officials called it a heinous crime . it appears to be heinous crime. it appears to be one of the biggest single civilian death tolls since the start of the war. and rishi sunak said that the only person responsible for the conflict is the russian president, vladimir putin. >> i just come from meeting

president zelenskyy where we discussed this horrific attack that has just happened. it just illustrates russia's barbarity . illustrates russia's barbarity. and president putin can say all he likes. there is one person responsible for this illegal and unprovoked war and it is him and he should stop . and that's why he should stop. and that's why the uk has been steadfast fast in supporting ukraine and will continue to do so. i'm proud that we were one of the first and we are one of the largest supporters of ukraine. that will continue to be the case. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by play gb news. this is by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening. well, if you listen to rishi sunak yesterday, you would think all of our problems in the english channel have been solved and the numbers are down 20% this year. this time this year on last year. so should we all be happy that 25,000, mostly young men without

identities have crossed the engush identities have crossed the english channel? i don't think so. and the traffickers have got a new technique. you see, we have now given or promised the french up to £800 million to stop the boats leaving those beaches. and it is true that the french police do go up to those dinghies when they're in the sand dunes or making their way down across the beach towards the sea. they do go up and put knives in them. and it happens to many of the boats. so the traffickers have now got a new method in this footage. i'm going to show you right now was taken just outside calais earlier this week . so see what's earlier this week. so see what's going on here. the dinghy, the massive dinghy that will take between 70 and 80 people is already at sea. it hasn't launched from that beach. it's come out of one of the rivers and come around effectively. it's what's now called a taxi boat. it's what's now called a taxi boat . and you can see the people boat. and you can see the people that are getting onto that boat have to wade out into the water

virtually up to their chests in water before they're taken into the boat. you can see there someone falling out of the boat, another person falling out of the boat. what this means is these very, very heavy , heavily these very, very heavy, heavily laden. now, there are three people coming back off that boat.i people coming back off that boat. i think they're the traffickers that loaded the people onto it. but those people now that are setting off and all they've got to do is get 12 miles from dover and they'll get picked up by border force or the rnli those people before this journey even begins are soaked to the skin and cold. believe you me, whatever you're wearing , if you've been soaked in seawater up to your chest and you're going to sit in a stationary position for several hours, you are going to get cold very, very quickly indeed. and i will predict that that at some point in the next couple of months, when there is a sinking, unless we have the luck, as we

did of that scallop boat a few months ago, unless there is a helicopter or a lifeboat very close , or if we get 70 or 80 close, or if we get 70 or 80 people into the water who are already cold. i hate to think what the death toll is going to be all of that, i promise you, is going to happen. now, there was no mention in manchester of something called the european political community . this was political community. this was macron's idea . for some reason, macron's idea. for some reason, rishi sunak signed up to it. i, of course, want us to cooperate with our european friends , but i with our european friends, but i do not like the name political community. however rishi is in granada in spain this evening and the idea is he's going to speak to other european leaders about data sharing and cooperation to deal with the common problem of illegal migration for europe. it's predominantly across the mediterranean, although some does come in through the eastern borders . and for us, of course, borders. and for us, of course, it's through the english channel. he was rishi sunak

speaking in spain just a couple of hours ago , tackling illegal of hours ago, tackling illegal migration is a shared european challenge . challenge. >> numbers are up everywhere and i believe, as do other european leaders, that it should be us who decides who comes to our countries and not criminal gangs . that's why i was pleased that i could convene a meeting together with the italian prime minister, but also leaders from albania european union, albania, the european union, france and the netherlands to talk through this issue to see how we can work together to how more we can work together to strengthen cooperation , to strengthen our cooperation, to combat awful crime. and combat this awful crime. and there is more that we can do sharing intelligence, working upstream to disrupt supply chains , working with partner chains, working with partner countries to ensure effective returns. these are all areas where we can work more closely together. that's what we talk through. and the uk today has signed agreements with signed new agreements with serbia, and bulgaria serbia, belgium and bulgaria that will help strengthen our bilateral cooperation in. and you're seeing the fruits that you're seeing the fruits of that at home, numbers of arrivals into the uk year down by into the uk this year down by a fifth for the first time since

the small boats phenomenon emerged. we managed to get the numbers a result this numbers down as a result of this type of work. well rishi sunak, you're right. >> the numbers are down by a fifth, chiefly in my opinion, because the weather this summer has so dreadful. but if we has been so dreadful. but if we get a long settled spell, i'm quite sure the numbers will go back last year's level. but back to last year's level. but in going across to the european political community in seeking help in dealing with our problem in the english channel, let me ask you a very simple question. is rishi wasting his time? give me your opinion on farage gbnews.com because i think he is . well, joining me is a proper expert on these things, professor ian begg, professorial research fellow at the european institute london school of economics and political science . and ian, a man who has written about european cooperation and european deals over many , many european deals over many, many years. ian i just want to say to you, the idea that we can come to some agreement with other european countries on this, it

seems to me that they're actually at war with each other before we even start . well you before we even start. well you expect this from an academic? >> nigel? yes and no . the yes is >> nigel? yes and no. the yes is that there are differences of perspective right across the eu countries which have hosted huge numbers of migrants already, like germany and sweden are saying enough . those on the saying enough. those on the frontline, like italy and greece, are saying we can't cope with it on our own. and some within the eu, particularly countries like hungary and poland, are saying don't send them our way . however, in them our way. however, in poland's case, it's undeniable that they've taken a huge number of ukrainian refugees. so they are already facing plenty of difficulty . the reason i say difficulty. the reason i say that there is a different perspective on this is that there is a common problem. we can't stop the demand to come to europe. you may not like the european union in your day, but

a lot of people do. coming from other parts of the world, and they think it's a place to try to get to. if you're poor or if you're somehow discriminated against in other countries . so against in other countries. so there is a clear pool factor from the european union and unless there's some way of deaung unless there's some way of dealing with that , the pull dealing with that, the pull factor, it's going to continue indefinitely. >> yeah, i mean, ian , i was >> yeah, i mean, ian, i was there. i was there in strasbourg in 2015 when mrjuncker there. i was there in strasbourg in 2015 when mr juncker , who was in 2015 when mr juncker, who was then the commission president, unveiled , and it sort of dusted unveiled, and it sort of dusted off, i suppose, really, and activated the european asylum policy , which basically said policy, which basically said that anybody that set foot on eu soil, having crossed the mediterranean would be allowed to stay, don't they have to fundamentally readdress that policy and start returning people to libya, tunisia or wherever it may be? >> well, that's one solution. >> well, that's one solution. >> there's a question of whether returning somebody to libya , returning somebody to libya, which is, let's face it, one of the hellholes of the world now

is a morally appropriate thing to do. if someone has made this huge effort to get out of it. now you may not like the people coming to europe or eventually to the uk because you think we shouldn't be so generous towards them. but there is an imperative there to say, well, what's going on in the rest of the world and can we do something about solving the problem at source? understand that . understand that. >> no, do understand that. i >> no, i do understand that. i mean, gaddafi said to us, gaddafi us before gaddafi said to us before 2012, before launched those attacks before we launched those attacks on said, get rid of me on libya. he said, get rid of me and 5 million people will come to europe . and i'm beginning to to europe. and i'm beginning to wonder, did we cause this? and actually caused the birth of isis ourselves as well . isis ourselves as well. >> there's no doubt a long historical exercise to go into to work out who is most to blame in it. but yes, the chaos in libya is in many ways a direct result of dumping gadhafi. however, he'd gone so bonkers by the time he was kicked out . who the time he was kicked out. who knows what would happen shortly aftennards anyway, irrespective of whether cameron sarkozy

of whether cameron and sarkozy had agreed to intervene. so there there is a problem here that sub—saharan africa in particular, as a as a demographic profile , which means demographic profile, which means that young people are growing into this market. they don't find jobs at home. they want to go elsewhere. that is a swell of humanity , that wants to move to humanity, that wants to move to other places . and the solution other places. and the solution one way round would be to say, can we help economic development in these places to ensure that there is opportunity there for those who want to move instead of thinking of purely in military police enforcement terms, which is , i think where a terms, which is, i think where a lot of the drift in europe has been of late saying how do we stop it rather than how do we solve it at source ? solve it at source? >> no, ian, i get the argument. i don't expect any great agreement to come out from this granada summit. do you? >> well, no , because the >> well, no, because the european political community is so far next to nothing, it has no secretariat. there's no has

no secretariat. there's no has no powers. it's a grouping of up to 47 countries. but i think i checked carefully just before before i came on the only countries in europe which are not part of it are russia and belarus. yeah, yeah, yeah. turkey >> it sort of replaces the old european council, really. ian begg, thank you for your expert testimony. no easy answers, says ian begg. well, he's almost certainly right. joining me is henry bolton, former border security and management expert for the british government and intelligence adviser to the home office, henry , the point i was office, henry, the point i was making there to professor begg was it seems to me that when the german president says we've reached breaking point , yes, reached breaking point, yes, there's that phrase which is very familiar to me from the referendum . and when we hear referendum. and when we hear poland saying they will take zero, that have crossed the mediterranean, i just don't see any agreement coming. i feel rishi, with all respect to him , rishi, with all respect to him, is wasting his time.

>> yes . another yes or no? nigel >> yes. another yes or no? nigel look, one of the things to say, first off is ursula von der leyen, the president of the european commission, was there front and centre of this meeting. so this isn't just a coordination meeting. this is a united europe union orchestrated thing . we should make that thing. we should make that clear. they're using this to extend their foreign policy and their political reach, but that aside, as professor begg said, we do have to cooperate and coordinate and collaborate with our european neighbours . that's our european neighbours. that's a that's a one doesn't even need to sort of talk about that. that's obvious. but where is she is really on a hiding to nothing is really on a hiding to nothing is methodology . first of all, he is methodology. first of all, he doesn't seem to be taking the lead at all. secondly he i mean, he said he convened this meeting . he didn't convene this meeting. this meeting was effectively by the effectively convened by the european the european european union, by the european commission, and he wanted to be part of it. so you know, he's he's already sort of smoke and

mirrors up there. but he the main contribution, the main thing that he's done is agree with serbia, with bulgaria to particularly that bulgaria is important in this to provide them with intelligence exchange and equipment for their borders to detect people in trucks. basically it's the same stuff that we've got at dover and southampton, so on. now that's fine with bulgaria because on the roads, on the official crossing points with turkey, because obviously there's a lot of flow through turkey , but it's of flow through turkey, but it's not going to work. i of flow through turkey, but it's not going to work . i myself was not going to work. i myself was in the balkans. i was dealing with people, people smugglers, human traffickers and the people themselves who were being moved . and for three years, these people were coming across from turkey , not through the official turkey, not through the official border crossing point, but through the hills either side. they're not stupid. they know that that's a nexus point of law enforcement at the border crossing point. they don't move through there. they get off the trucks and the buses and they walk across. so you know, this

is going nowhere . what's really is going nowhere. what's really needed, nigel and professor begg is right about not dealing with the push factors. why people leave. and here we've got to deal with the enforcement things, why people come here. that's whole those are both that's a whole those are both huge complex packages. but in the this disruption of the middle this disruption of the middle this disruption of the smuggling routes the people smuggling routes themselves is crucial . and we themselves is crucial. and we did it until 2006. i was part of it until tony blair pulled the funding on it. in 2006, he cancelled the whole program. we had 12 government agencies. the intelligence agencies, including defence intelligence . we had defence intelligence. we had everything piled in and there was a pointy tip of the spear that was actually on the ground wearing body armour going in through doors with local law enforcement and intelligence. this just a intelligence this wasn't just a intelligence exchange . this was on the ground exchange. this was on the ground . tactical intelligence and operational disruption . an we're operational disruption. an we're not doing that. and until we do, this isn't going to work. >> henry bolton making your points with great force and

great passion and great experience. thank you for joining us again tonight on gb news. looking fonnard to your thoughts as to whether rishi is wasting his time at this summit. i fear that he is. now remember brexit was going to be the biggest since disaster to our biggest since disaster to our biggest industry , b of financial biggest industry, b of financial services. the city, as they call it. but the city, of course, is in every single town and city in this country with jobs and insurance and banking, etcetera . the brexit was going to be a disaster . and yet the governor disaster. and yet the governor of the bank of england, i'm not a big fan, suddenly says that it could be good for the city. we examine all of in just

radio. >> well, i asked you at home, do you think rishi is wasting his time in spain? nick says spain won't stop the boats coming. i live there part time. they need the younger generation that's coming from venezuela to do the

manual and fill the gaps manual labour and fill the gaps that have been created by young spanish leaving to work in other parts yeah, nick, parts of the eu. yeah, nick, that's but that actually that's true. but that actually would migration to would be legal migration to spain. really talking spain. what we're really talking about are the huge numbers about here are the huge numbers of vessels coming into places like lampedusa, says . like lampedusa, shirley says. wasting our money. another viewer says, i'm more concerned that any potential deal may see us taking a quota of the mediterranean migrants. we didn't vote. brexit for the government to continue striking these backroom deals. no, i have to say i absolutely agree with you. now, remember , in the run you. now, remember, in the run up to the referendum, remember project fear, one of them was brexit. it could kill . 820,000 brexit. it could kill. 820,000 jobs. yep that's what our chancellor george osborne told us. it would also lead to an £800 pay cut for the average worker. he also said that each household will be worse off by up to £4,000 every year . and

up to £4,000 every year. and then of course, we had another beauty. yes, the bank of england's mark carney, who warned of a city exodus . yep. he warned of a city exodus. yep. he said the city would lose jobs. businesses and company hqs for firms in the square mile would without question, cut back on business activity in london. so all pretty dire. i won't be voted brexit. we were told we voted brexit. we were told we voted to be poorer. we'd voted to be weaker. we'd voted to devalue . the city of london. devalue. the city of london. made me furious. having devalue. the city of london. made me furious . having worked made me furious. having worked in the city for 20 years, all i saw was eu regulation holding us back from being the global capital that really is london's destiny. what? you could not be down with a feather. this morning. when i saw the current governor of the bank of england , who i've not been a fan of on this program, as you know, i always call him andrew out to lunch bailey, because he always seems to the important seems to miss the important things. suddenly the things. but suddenly the governor says brexit has helped the city, not harmed it, despite

the city, not harmed it, despite the dire warnings of economists and experts . now, i thought that and experts. now, i thought that was pretty significant . it even was pretty significant. it even more surprising was nikko rafie, the chief executive of my great mates at the financial conduct authority . he says leaving the authority. he says leaving the eu has made it easier for the uk to tailor rules to its needs. well there we are. i'm absolute thrilled that what with that and with our gdp figures showing since the day we left, we have grown more quickly than france and germany. sorry still anemically and much of that propped up by large scale immigration. but we have grown more than france and germany. maybe we can end this ridiculous negative argument that you will see if you switch over right now to the bbc news channel because that's what they'll tell you. they'll tell you the whole thing is dire. well, joining me is a city man, lord jonathan marland, chairman of the commonwealth

enterprise investment enterprise and investment council, of course, the council, and of course, the former minister's former prime minister's trade envoy. former prime minister's trade envoy . jonathan, you know, as envoy. jonathan, you know, as a city man, the warnings were pretty bleak, weren't they? they were. >> i'm quite suspicious, by the way, about this announcement. i'm still yet to be persuaded that the blob, as we would call these people, really think that we have left europe. so i'm quite suspicious about these two announcements. yes, there's no real sign that they have cut the umbilical cord. i mean , you umbilical cord. i mean, you know, you look at the way that the civil servants are still bowing towards europe makes me suspicious. and so i will need some convincing. i'll also need convincing with our own government . and i'm a government. and i'm a conservative, as you know, and pleased to be a conservative. but there's no brexit dividend as yet. nigel yeah, regulation is bad getting. i actually get on very well with the fca , but on very well with the fca, but the amount of mountain of complaints you get about the

slowness, the lack of pace with which they're dealing with this and of course with the taxation levels that we have corporation tax and all these other taxes upon us, it's not paying the brexit dividend . and then one brexit dividend. and then one a further point, which i think shows in our foreign policy , our shows in our foreign policy, our great king, who is a great man , great king, who is a great man, has only been to two countries. where are they? france and germany. >> germ any. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and yet he is king of australia, new zealand , yeah, canada. >> and in your commonwealth. commonwealth, you must be furious. >> i'm cross because we can't get the message through and it's not his fault, by the way, he has done a fantastic job in establishing his position here as king. he's very well thought of, very popular, but but you know, if the commonwealth is going to survive and if our realms are going to be his realms, the foreign office have got to start getting a plan out there for him. >> so the here is clear >> so the argument here is clear from and however suspicious you may be, but actually from the

numbers we see that we haven't had the exodus from the city of london, etcetera. you know, there are big firms like deutsche bank taking out 20 year leases on office space. we know from the gdp figures , again, from the gdp figures, again, disappointing, in relative disappointing, but in relative terms to france and germany . so terms to france and germany. so brexit hurt us, but we brexit hasn't hurt us, but we haven't reaped well, it could yet hurt us if we carry on with this high taxation thing , this high taxation thing, because a lot of american bankers won't want to be here. >> they'll want to be somewhere else. of insurance else. and a lot of insurance people, which you and i know very well , will not want to be very well, will not want to be here. people like ian came and base themselves here when i was in government with george osborne, we set a reduction in corporation tax, which encouraged them to bring their headquarters here from chicago. now, what are they thinking now? >> what is the future? i mean, a 30% rise in corporation tax earlier this year. it does beg a belief . and yet from the leader belief. and yet from the leader of your party yesterday in his speech, our party, isn't it now , i saw you up there. oh, no. they they're sort of saying they

might they're sort of hinting they might me back, but i'm they might want me back, but i'm sure they i'll be like sure they would. i'll be like groucho i wouldn't join groucho marx. i wouldn't join a club that would have me, but almost nothing in the speech on business from rishi sunak other than this platitude with a party of small business with no ir35 reform, with the corporation tax rise that you've mentioned, and there was almost nothing for entrepreneurship and business. how is it? entrepreneurship and business. how is it ? jonathan marland how how is it? jonathan marland how is it that that a conservative government with an 80 seat majority be elected on a brexit ticket hasn't done these things, hasn't done the right thing? >> i think you're being a bit harsh and i think that obviously this speech was going to get sidetracked by hs2, which is a big. sure. and you don't tend to get leader's speech much get in the leader's speech much , business and tax . , much on business and tax. >> and with respect, i didn't hearit >> and with respect, i didn't hear it much from the chancellor either. >> no. >> no. >> well, that's more of a that's you're more just in pointing your finger there, because that's where you should hear it and well hear in the

and we may well hear it in the autumn so i'm giving autumn statement. so i'm giving them bit time to get them a little bit of time to get that out. i mean, they know what's going to happen at i what's going to happen at and i don't think get don't think they'll get re—elected or we get re—elected or we will get re—elected. and unless we do show path to business show a clear path to business that we are a low regulation, lower tax economy than the rest of our competitors, not by huge amounts, but marginal amounts better than europe, which and the united states in particular, where the fca boss, mr rathee, says we can now tailor rules to suit our own needs . suit our own needs. >> when are they totally right? when are they going to start doing it? >> well, i think the fca have got a bit of a problem because they've got apparently this working system where you can working system where you can work that you want to work the hours that you want to in time . work the hours that you want to in fime.um, work the hours that you want to in time. um, but in your own time. um, but imagine meeting if you imagine having a meeting if you want to work from four till 12 and someone else to say, and someone else wants to say, well, on, these sort well, hang on, these, these sort of got to stop. of things have got to stop. >> people are on the public payroll. >> well, they taxpayers paying for these people. >> can't government >> i mean, can't the government insist to insist they actually go to blooming work? insist they actually go to blo my ng work?

insist they actually go to blo my interface with the fca has >> my interface with the fca has actually been excellent over the last months, so i can't speak last 12 months, so i can't speak for myself. and we're interfacing them a in interfacing with them a lot in our insurance business. i am our insurance business. but i am heanng our insurance business. but i am hearing amount hearing a huge amount of complaints complacency hearing a huge amount of comthe nts complacency hearing a huge amount of comthe lack complacency hearing a huge amount of comthe lack of complacency hearing a huge amount of comthe lack of delivery. nplacency hearing a huge amount of comthe lack of delivery. therelncy and the lack of delivery. there i mean, they are obviously a target, but i do think he's doing a good i think he is doing a good job. i think he is trying very hard to improve the situation in and we need to give them a bit more time because he's fairly new on the job and he's fairly new on the job and he is actually, funnily enough, who take over from? who did he take over from? >> andrew bailey, right. >> oh, andrew bailey, right. >> oh, andrew bailey, right. >> yeah. >> your old friend. yeah. >> your old friend. yeah. >> and that, howard >> and before that, howard davis, of course, is still davis, who of course, is still all chairman the natwest all the chairman of the natwest banking friend of yours. >> they're best friends. and i've a bit to about i've got a bit to say about natwest later on in the program. >> well , i just hope he actually >> well, i just hope he actually gets this banking review gets on with this banking review because slow. because he was very slow. jonathan is sort of jonathan marland it is sort of it's good news in one way. it just could be so much better, couldn't it? >> inevitably , and it is all >> inevitably, and it is all about this brexit dividend that you fought very hard for and we

are now in. whether you like, whether we like it or not, we have got to get our mind around that. we are we are out of europe, that we have got the opportunity and we have huge markets and i spend my time in the commonwealth, as you know, it's a massive market and we're missing out on all these things. can we get a senior government minister, bangladesh , second minister, bangladesh, the second fastest economy in the fastest growing economy in the world, know amazing growth. yeah huge powerhouse that's becoming no because they're obsessed by going to places which and if we don't go the chinese will exactly jonathan marlon as ever thank you for joining exactly jonathan marlon as ever thank you forjoining me exactly jonathan marlon as ever thank you for joining me on the program. >> in a moment, an update. yes raf scampton, the base that we visited more than once . i've got visited more than once. i've got an update for you on what is going on. there is a local protest because the council have given an order to say stop developing this site . stop developing this site. stop ruining its history, and yet it appears the contractors are continuing the battle . scampton continuing the battle. scampton that famous dambusters base is

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radio. >> well, this show will not drop its support for our af scampton being kept as it is and being a living museum for the extraordinary exploits of those brave men during world war ii. gb news is local reporter will hollis sent us this report on the latest from scampton today . the latest from scampton today. >> home away from home. >> home away from home. >> so this is a cooking area and then this is where we keep everything . so spares of everything. so spares of everything, batteries , torches, everything, batteries, torches, tea, coffee, sugar, water. >> sarah only lives a mile away on the other side of scampton . on the other side of scampton. she's been living in a tent for a week, but her battle to stop asylum seekers moving into the old raaf base has lasted six months. the home office is

preparing scampton to house 2000 asylum seekers . but now west asylum seekers. but now west lindsey, district council has told the home office to stop work, saying it's breaching planning restrictions . it served planning restrictions. it served an enforcement notice and a stop nofice an enforcement notice and a stop notice the same powers used to control a dodgy builder. but the lincolnshire council and community says contract makers are ploughing on. >> i clocked in one hour between half, six and half seven in the morning and 47 vehicles going on the people that are making the laws are breaking the laws and so we're taking it upon ourselves to make sure that we document that they are breaking the law. >> the home is struggling >> the home office is struggling to the number of migrants to manage the number of migrants reaching britain's shores. old military bases are badged as a small solution for the growing problem . west lindsey district problem. west lindsey district council disagrees. a £300 million deal to transform the old base into a heritage centre was soaring. now now it's in freefall, according to the

council's director of planning and regeneration, sally grindrod smith. >> we are very concerned about the conditions on site. the state of the site. there's a huge amount of building eyes that are on that site that could come back into commercial use. we've spoken previously about the runway and the airfield, which very valuable asset. which is a very valuable asset. >> in a statement , the home >> in a statement, the home office said, we are aware that west lindsey district council hasissued west lindsey district council has issued a notice in relation to the works at scampton . we are to the works at scampton. we are carefully considering the implications of this notice back at scampton . support for the at scampton. support for the campaign isn't hard to come by. >> it's very noisy , but >> it's very noisy, but i normally sleep with a fan on anyway, even during the winter, so it doesn't bother me. >> the noise. sarah and other locals are staying here until the of october when a the end of october when a judicial review will decide if the home office plans for scampton can go ahead and scampton base can go ahead and outside locals are calling their makeshift camp dunkirk spirit people coming together .

people coming together. >> and the worry is that inside the base, history is being torn apart. will hollis gb news in scampton and as will hollis says , literally physically history is being torn apart. >> sarah you are very determined. keep up the good work. now. my what the farage moment is. do you remember two and a half weeks ago that the. the prime minister. i'm sorry , the prime minister. i'm sorry, said to us he was going to remove the cost of net zero from us? indeed when it came to energy performance certificates on our houses. energy performance certificates on our houses . and this could on our houses. and this could mean for older houses having to spend thousands of pounds to bnng spend thousands of pounds to bring them up to standard. don't worry , all of that will be worry, all of that will be dropped. and yet mortgage lenders , several of them, are lenders, several of them, are demand ing that houses are brought up to those standards . brought up to those standards. our old friends natwest. oh yes . on the website say our approach to climate change sets out net zero policies, including making 50% of our uk mortgage

customers homes at an epc rating of c or more by 2030. so if you're off to natwest to get a new mortgage or you want to buy a property, get a mortgage on it, you may find you have to spend thousands of pounds making it greener before they'll give you that mortgage. it's all well and nice words and good, getting nice words that come from the prime minister. banks don't minister. but if the banks don't play minister. but if the banks don't play what can you do? play ball, what can you do? talking of banks , metro bank was talking of banks, metro bank was set up by an entrepreneur called vernon hill. he set it up and establish eight branches across high streets around the country. the first new bank with multiple high street branches in this country since 1840. unfortunately only a few years on hill got shifted out by the board . metro bank now in dire board. metro bank now in dire trouble . all their share price trouble. all their share price has collapsed. 50% this week . has collapsed. 50% this week. they need to raise £600 million very urgently , or they may well very urgently, or they may well go bust . well, i'm sorry , but if

go bust. well, i'm sorry, but if you will, overnight on a whim, just d bank. the brexit party , just d bank. the brexit party, which a few months before had won a national european election . there may be you'll find metro bank that what goes around goes around, comes around in a moment on a slightly lighter note, it is the rugby world cup taking place france, england thus place in france, england thus far doing quite well. our next game on saturday. so let's talk about our prospects. let's talk about our prospects. let's talk about the game of rugby. and i'm joined by legendary tighthead pr°p joined by legendary tighthead prop jeff probyn, who's going to join me in a moment for talking

it's talking pints. it's going to be about life , about going to be about life, about rugby with jeff probyn, former tighthead, prop and england legend. cheers, jeff . thank you. legend. cheers, jeff. thank you. welcome to the program. now east end boy , growing up east end

end boy, growing up east end there you no one. well okay that end of town growing up where football was utterly dominant and you you overcame childhood disease as well. >> yeah. when i was i came out of caesarian when i was born . a of caesarian when i was born. a couple of years later, i developed osteomyelitis , which developed osteomyelitis, which meant i had my legs in plaster when i was about two years old, was in hospital for a number of weeks and months. but fortunately i got over it and you clearly got over it. yeah. yeah. >> but when you when you come from a part of town where football is so dominant and what team you support, why was it rugby for you ? rugby for you? >> well, it wasn't literally, you know , i'd say that you were you know, i'd say that you were born in middle of shoreditch . born in middle of shoreditch. there's no rugby anywhere, no. simply because there's no grass . and so you , you know, football . and so you, you know, football was would have been something i was, i, i might have got into. but when i went to my secondary

school, the london nautical school, they were south of the river. they played rugby. we used to have to travel from london all the way down to maldon at the end of the northern line, which was where the playing fields were. so by the playing fields were. so by the time we finished playing the school rugby morning , if we school rugby the morning, if we got back, you'd be too late to got back, you'd be too late to go to football . even if it was go to football. even if it was local football. to me. >> and you were obviously good at it too. >> um, i wasn't bad . wasn't bad. >> um, i wasn't bad. wasn't bad. the teacher. the teacher didn't think i was any good at it because i'm younger, two brothers. my brother had played before me and he said, you'll never be as good as your brother. >> well, there you go. there you go . so you kept on playing rugby go. so you kept on playing rugby and of course, you know, you had and of course, you know, you had a had job and it was a a you had a job and it was a completely see as you're going through rugby and you're through club rugby and you're working into the working your way up into the bigger clubs well. bigger name clubs as well. >> all the you >> wasps and all the things you did, was an don't forget, it did, it was an don't forget, it was a fully game, wasn't it? >> yeah, yeah. there was a, you know, even when you play for

england, i mean given think about a world cup now. about we're in a world cup now. players to going get players are to going get £100,000. i think plus potential win and things like win bonuses and things like that. played 1991, we that. when i played in 1991, we got through to the final. >> you played in the final? >> you played in the final? >> yeah. yeah. we got we got 20, 20 mile to drive to 20 per mile to drive to twickenham to play in a world cup rugby fight, play world cup rugby fight, play a world cup, rugby and it's only 30 years ago and it's only 30 years and we, we after the world cup we say we got to the final. i think, well rugby made about £70 million and i think the rfu got about 30 million. we got a pair of cufflinks . of cufflinks. >> i'm sorry to laugh, but but actually the interesting thing is that you only got the cufflinks if you also played in the back to back grand slams, which was the 91 and 92. >> if you didn't play in both, both the grand, both those grand slams and the world cup, you didn't get the cufflinks, but you got the cufflinks. >> obviously. you got the cup because you played. >> i still have them. i haven't

taken them out the box, but amateur or professional, you know, you've got through to that world final . world cup final. >> really gutsy to lose ? >> was it really gutsy to lose? uh, well , yes and >> was it really gutsy to lose? uh, well, yes and no. >> i say yes and no because getting to it was a fantastic feeling. yeah. play playing the game and. all right. when you've lost it, you've, you get that dejection a little bit. but the saddest moment for me was that we all left the field . we were we all left the field. we were in the changing room , and my in the changing room, and my wife tells me that as soon as that happened, the whole of twickenham burst into the song . twickenham burst into the song. always look on the bright side of life. >> that's terrific , isn't it? >> that's terrific, isn't it? >> that's terrific, isn't it? >> and. and i missed it. that's the only sad bit. >> rugby crowd's fantastic . you >> rugby crowd's fantastic. you know, i went to twickenham a couple of years back. england playing france , and all the playing france, and all the supporters mixed in together and huge amounts of mickey taking

and 1 or 2 of these going down before, during and after the game . it seemed to be no before, during and after the game. it seemed to be no aggro. oh no, no. rugby still has a fan tastic atmosphere doesn't it? >> it does. it does. um, you know, sadly, the game's altered. i think that professionalism in any sport alters it . people any sport alters it. people trying to protect their jobs, whether it's the coaches or the players. yeah. you know, so there's, there's elements in it that different people play play the for different reason the game for a different reason . when there's no money . i mean, when there's no money involved you're involved in something, you're playing you love it. playing it because you love it. will, love it? will, you love it? >> and you've got to work as well. and you're representing england you're kind of england and you're kind of day is pretty full with, know, is pretty full with, you know, you've were you've got to, as you were married with family quite married with family and quite difficult to of fit difficult to sort of fit everything together. and we had lots of england rugby players that, were that, you know, they were surgeons, were this, they surgeons, they were this, they were surgeons, they were this, they weroh they yeah. >> oh they were, yeah. >> oh they were, yeah. >> you know the problem rugby's got i mean one it's got some financial problems with its clubs. problem clubs. the other problem it seems jeff is seems to me, jeff probyn, is that rugby seem to be that rugby players seem to be fitter, faster, better,

stronger, more muscle , all more stronger, more muscle, all more heavily trained. the impact speeds are greater, the debate and conversation . around true, and conversation. around true, not true. go on, tell me what's true. >> where rugby the a lot of people think that rugby changed when the game went professional in 1995. no it didn't. it changed after the first world cup in 1987, between 19 up until that moment in training for england would consist of say, 50 scrums, 50 lineouts, a bit of unopposed , so the backs would unopposed, so the backs would get a bit of running around and then off to the pub for a few beers. after the first world cup, england introduced olympic trainers , we had tom mcnab . we trainers, we had tom mcnab. we had guys from loughborough, rex hazeldine, who was one of the professors who taught most of the fitness coaches that are involved premiership rugby involved in premiership rugby and current rugby with england took over our training and we changed from doing what i said to doing plyometric training, to doing anaerobic kick training, to doing aerobic training. we

got into this system of fitness , which is probably why we won 91, 92 grand slams, which you did, which was a fantastic achievement. >> so okay, the fitness changed all those years ago, but the worry is now around concussion, around injury. i mean, it is it is game, isn't it? is a dangerous game, isn't it? >> well , the issues around >> well, the issues around concussion, all that have come about since the world rugby allowed the influence of rugby league without actually taking in some of the safety measures that they have in rugby, which they've allowed rugby league defence to come into rugby union, which is a rush what's called a rush defence in union used to use a thing called drift defence, which would mean you'd take the player outside, you , so take the player outside, you, so you drifted across the field. rush defence, you run straight. so bannau yes, in, in rugby league, when you have a breakdown, both teams have to retreat. so you end up with a

space of between 15 and 20m and so you have a rush defence to close that space quickly . in close that space quickly. in rugby union they didn't bring that retreat into it. so when you have a breakdown in both sets of players are something like eight metres apart and you get a rush defence in that sort of situation and players don't have the time to adjust their body position. so you end up with more head collisions and that's why you've got more of this problem in evolved in the professional game then you had in the amateur game nothing to do with power, nothing to do with. >> that's very interesting. that's very that's a change of the the game is being the way the game is being played. is very i wasn't played. that is very i wasn't aware of that at all. so here we are . it's the rugby world cup in are. it's the rugby world cup in france , a much vaunted, much france, a much vaunted, much trailed. we're weeks and weeks into it. it seems that the games are so far spread apart. i can't quite get my head around it. >> well, i think, you know, if it's part of this aspect of player welfare. yeah, you've got to you've got to create space in

the game so that players have time to rest . and we which for time to rest. and we which for me seems quite funny because when i was playing as i say, i, i didn't train that much, but what i used to do is play rugby. so i'd , for instance, as so i'd, for instance, as a schoolboy, i played in maldon. we had a guy who was a barrister who who refereed and coached us and he wasn't doing arteries istically he used to we'd play the game first thing in the morning in maldon in surrey. i'm 17. he had drivers from maldon to saint albans , where i play to saint albans, where i play for old albanians in the afternoon. so i'd be having two games. yeah, no space of a few hours. >> obviously loved it. did you? obviously. so can this england team because they're off to a good start at least i think they're off to a good start. do you think they're off to a good start? >> well, it's funny because i've just been having a discussion with an ex wasp . player outside

with an ex wasp. player outside and we on it because england's performance in the six nations. right. but the reality was that if you actually looked at our world cup draw or without considering the six nations, we had the easiest draw of any nation, any of the superior nations. nation, any of the superior nafions.so nation, any of the superior nations. so in that sense , we nations. so in that sense, we should be winning. we should be the leaders of our pool. we should win our pool. we're probably going into a quarterfinal against fiji. >> yeah, we've got samoa on saturday. >> samoa on saturday. but. but you know, in normal circumstances , if you were circumstances, if you were saying england versus samoa, you'd say 30, 40 points. yeah and it's only because of the bad six nations that people are thinking . thinking. >> so we're going to get through the quarterfinals. we'll get through the quarterfinals, we get fiji for for the get fiji for the for the quarterfinals when we get into the then we get into the the semis, then we get into the serious stuff. >> yeah, we can win that >> yeah, but if we can win that one, what happens in a final is, well, course, 20

well, and of course, it's 20 years ago. >> it's 20 years ago, but the last johnny wilkinson last second, johnny wilkinson dropped. still one of the dropped. it's still one of the great sporting moments of any sport. >> it is. it is. of course it is. you know, and yet, you know, there is a bit of me that says, well, jonny wilkinson, you go jonny wilkinson. but remember that rugby is a team game. so the fact that jonny wilkinson dropped goal, you dropped that goal, i know, you know, we all remember that know, do we all remember that steve thompson threw the in steve thompson threw the ball in at lineout? lawrence dallaglio at a lineout? lawrence dallaglio and back lifted lewis moody and neil back lifted lewis moody in the air. he caught the ball and he fed matt dawson, who threw the ball out . threw the ball out. >> you're absolutely right. it is a team game, just like a tv station. it's a team game as well. of course. othennise it doesn't work. and yet in in common folk history , we, you common folk history, we, you know, we'll remember jonny wilkins. of course you will. of course you will remember the geoff hurst hat trick in 1966. and this is what sticks in our minds. geoff probyn, i want to say a huge thank to you, to you

for coming in, sharing your story about your life and career in rugby. and let's keep our fingers crossed that england can go on. >> win this world if >> yeah, win this world if england don't win. i hope that any of the northern any one of the northern hemisphere win, whether hemisphere teams win, whether it's france, whether it's ireland, whether wales . ireland, whether it's wales. because if you think about it, we've had ten world cups, nine have been won by the southern hemisphere down under. right. >> it's time for the northern hemisphere to take the trophy . hemisphere to take the trophy. there we are. that's what jeff probyn wants. i just want england win . that's all i can england to win. that's all i can say. and our cricket world cup off a great start. never mind off to a great start. never mind . have a what has . let's have a look. what has the weather got in store for us? >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office for news forecast office for the gb news forecast . fine in the far south. over the next 24 hours, a different story. elsewhere. there will be cloud. they'll be outbreaks of rain well. not everywhere all rain as well. not everywhere all the time, but some significant rain build in places by rain could build up in places by the low pressure at the the weekend. low pressure at the moment to the northwest of scotland. a number of trailing

weather fronts bringing lot of weather fronts bringing a lot of cloud uk for rest of cloud to the uk for the rest of thursday and into friday. those outbreaks rain continuing outbreaks of rain continuing over the over parts of wales into the midlands, northern england, northern ireland, southern scotland. band of rain scotland. initial band of rain clearing from the far north of scotland pushed away by scotland and pushed away by a strong wind . and it's going to strong wind. and it's going to be night everywhere with be a warm night everywhere with that the cloud . that wind and the cloud. temperatures many places, not temperatures in many places, not falling much below 15 degrees. then we start off friday with those cloudy conditions , the those cloudy conditions, the breezy conditions as well. plenty of brightness actually for central and northern scotland and much better day compared with thursday and certainly saturday. but for much of northern ireland into southern scotland nato as well as northern england, rain will persist through the day. it's to the where we're going the south where we're going to see the building and see the warmth building and increasingly high temperatures through weekend are through the weekend are expected. but for scotland, certainly it's to going be a wet start to the weekend. that rain really building up through saturday in the first part of sunday. western parts of scotland at risk of seeing 150mm

of rainfall. a very different story for the rest of the uk and certainly

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