by it's 9:00, ppy by 9:00, ha it's by it's 9:00, happy friday one and all on television, on radio, onune all on television, on radio, online and online. >> i should say. the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. in my opinion , my first air my big opinion, my first on air reaction to rishi sunak's conference speech compared to the one i wrote for him earlier in the week. who comes out on top ? it is versus dolan. top? it is sunak versus dolan. my mark meets guest has gone from addiction and suicide to military hero and now he's helping the likes of superstar harry kane . former marine ben harry kane. former marine ben williams tells his incredible and inspiring story. before the end of the hour in the big story has last night's shock by—election victory in scotland handed labour the keys to number 10? and are the snp and their dream of independence dead in the water? we're looking fonnard to this. in my take at ten football legend kevin keegan is the latest victim of the woke

mob for saying that only men should commentate on men's football. time to show football. it's time to show those attacking him. the red card . so two hours of big card. so two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. it is friday, the weekend starts here. let's have a laugh. let's make a splash as well. a few fireworks tonight. lots of some really lots of debates, some really brilliant as well. we'll brilliant guests as well. we'll be remembering lady cathy ferguson, wonderful wife of ferguson, the wonderful wife of sir alex ferguson. she's died today. we'll speak to sir alex, biographer. so lots to get through. kevin keegan rishi sunak , it's all happening. sunak, it's all happening. first, the news with tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. a man has been remanded in custody over an alleged plot to kidnap and kill tv presenter holly willoughby. gavin plumb , a

willoughby. gavin plumb, a shopping centre security guard , shopping centre security guard, is charged with soliciting a man to carry out the crimes the star pulled out of hosting itv's this morning after bosses were reportedly aware and alerted to the possible threat . but it's the possible threat. but it's understood she's been given around the clock security and support in other news, labour is describing its rutherglen and hamilton west by—election win as a seismic victory . michael a seismic victory. michael shanks took the seat with 58% of the vote, more than double that of the snp's katie loudon. labour leader sir keir starmer says scotland is key to security to securing a majority at the next general election in while former first minister and current alba party leader humza yousaf alex salmond says humza yousaf alex salmond says humza yousaf usaf has days to save his job after the by—election defeat . scotland's first minister says the snp needs time to reflect on that result. >> the snp we didn't do enough. we know that there was

contextual factors. margaret ferrier's reckless actions, the police investigation , of course, police investigation, of course, but we've got to reflect, i've got to reflect the party has to ensure we've got a good campaign machine behind us, but also that we're inspiring people with a message. we clearly got a message. we clearly got a message from the voters of rutherglen and hamilton west that the snp has lost some trust in that seat. we've got to make sure we regain it. >> a key supporter of the just stop oil protest group says he's redirecting his funding to a youth voting campaign . green youth voting campaign. green energy industrialist dale vince says he's given more than £340,000 since the group's foundation . but he says under foundation. but he says under the current government, protests cannot work . and he warns cannot work. and he warns further disruption may prove counter—productive. mr vince is instead supporting a new cause aimed at encouraging young people to vote. just stop, oil, says it will continue its campaign of civil resistance . a campaign of civil resistance. a conservative councillor has called for the home secretary's resignation over the handling of

scampton in the government is accused of ignoring a legal order to stop converting the former airbase into a migrant camp to house 2000 people. the home office says it's confident the project meets planning requirements. but councillor roger paterson described the department as liars . and department as liars. and finally, while much of the uk could see temperatures of up to 26 c at the weekend, a warning for rain is in place for parts of scotland . the met office has of scotland. the met office has issued both amber and yellow rain warnings for large parts of scotland and northern england from tomorrow until sunday morning . scotrail has announced morning. scotrail has announced there will be significant disruption to its services as a result, while in contrast, fine and dry weather for southern and central england, temperatures could rise as high as 25 c by sunday afternoon . in with gb sunday afternoon. in with gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to .

mark >> thanks, tatiana . welcome to >> thanks, tatiana. welcome to mark dolan tonight. happy weekend one and all. now in my big opinion, my first on air reaction to rishi sunaks conference speech compared to the speech that i wrote for him earlier in the week. who comes out on top? it is dolan versus sunakin out on top? it is dolan versus sunak in the big story has last night's shock by—election victory in scotland handed labour the keys to number 10 and are the snp and the dream of independence now dead in the water? my mark meets guest has gone from addiction and suicide to military hero and now he's helping the likes of football superstar harry kane . former superstar harry kane. former marine ben williams tells his incredible and inspiring story. before the end of the hour in my take, a ten football legend, kevin keegan is the latest victim of the woke mob for saying that only men should commentate on men's football. hardly controversial . it's time hardly controversial. it's time to show those attacking him the

red card will rishi sunak clear no nonsense definition of a woman win him the female vote at the next election. and are the bbc letting down listeners by axing local radio stations? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, bbc tv legend sue cook. plus we've got tomorrow's front pages at 1030 sharp with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't. follow the script tonight , nina follow the script tonight, nina myskow, david oldroyd bolt and linda jubilee . tonight, i'll be linda jubilee. tonight, i'll be asking the pundits as they lose asking the pundits as they lose a major backer are just stop oil running out of fuel. and after another crazy video emerges , do another crazy video emerges, do their supporters have a screw loose? plus, following the very sad news that sir alex ferguson's wife, cathy, has passed away after 57 years of marriage . we'll be speaking to marriage. we'll be speaking to sir alex's biographer about the importance of this amazing lady in his life . plus, the most in his life. plus, the most important part of the show, your emails, they come straight to my

laptop. mark at cbnnews.com . and laptop. mark at cbnnews.com. and this show has a golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch . ijust don't do boring. not on my watch . i just won't have it . a big . i just won't have it. a big two hours to come. we start with my big opinion. two hours to come. we start with my big opinion . so rishi sunak my big opinion. so rishi sunak finally made his conference speech. but how is it compared to the one that i wrote for him on monday night? what you're about to see are clips from my proposed speech on monday and what the pm actually said on wednesday. take a look. the immediate challenge for the economy is to get inflation down to 3, which is like a tax cut for everyone . once that's been for everyone. once that's been achieved , taxes will come down achieved, taxes will come down across the board. >> i know you want tax cuts. i want them too. and we will deliver them. but the best tax cut we can give people right now is to halve inflation and ease the cost of living . the cost of living. >> so how will i achieve these

tax cuts? two things. a government focussed exclusively and aggressively on growth . and aggressively on growth. >> we need our economy to grow faster. and for people across the country to feel the benefits of that . of that. >> unless you're physically unable to, you will get back to work. getting up in the morning, getting out of the house and putting a shift in has got to pay putting a shift in has got to pay more . putting a shift in has got to pay more. more than putting a shift in has got to pay more . more than sitting at pay more. more than sitting at home receiving handouts at the taxpayer's expense . taxpayer's expense. >> yes, we must end the national scandal where our benefit system declares that more than two 2 million people of working age are incapable of actually doing any. >> that's not conservative. that's not compassionate . that that's not compassionate. that must change. >> the nhs is too bloated , too >> the nhs is too bloated, too big, too inefficient, and employs too many diversity officers and not enough oncologists and nurses. our plan doubles the number of students training to be doctors and

nurses, but it is also a reform plan for the nhs with new ways of training and new roles, new ways of working, all driving up productivity. these crossings are an economic, national security and humanitarian disaster. our new law will ensure that if you come here illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed . and i'm and swiftly removed. and i'm willing to exit the echr and do whatever else it takes to end this daily nightmare. >> but know this i will do whatever is necessary to stop the boats . the boats. >> and i'm replacing net zero with what i'm calling smart net zero or smart zero. zero of smart zero. >> zero or smart zero. >> so i decided to take a pragmatic proportion , honest and pragmatic proportion, honest and realistic approach to reaching net zero, which means a long term plan to reduce emissions . term plan to reduce emissions. >> but one with three new red lines . number one, evidence lines. number one, evidence based science so that we can have tangible proof that renewables and electric cars and windmills and all the rest of it

are actually going to make a difference. number two, we will have the economy at the forefront so we don't bankrupt ourselves or clobber hard working brits with crippling extra costs. and number three, the will of the people so that each and every one of you are aware of the costs , are aware of aware of the costs, are aware of the sacrifices needed and support the plan . support the plan. >> but when i looked at the reality of what people were being asked to do, the thousands of pounds people would need to pay , of pounds people would need to pay , all of that pay, all of that disproportionately falling on the poorest in society by the way, and all of it not actually necessary in those timeframes to meet our net zero targets. and in spite of us doing more than any other country, i concluded it simply wasn't right. >> i will tackle crime, which is the new epidemic shoplifting, knife crime, burglaries , knife crime, burglaries, assault. it's getting out of hand. assault. it's getting out of hand . and i will create hand. and i will create a culture in which people are afraid to break the law and afraid to break the law and afraid they will be caught. i

will let police police again in too many parts of our permanent state. >> virtue signalling has replaced common sense as suella has said, there is no such thing as a minor crime. if the has said, there is no such thing as a minor crime . if the police as a minor crime. if the police tolerate crime and anti—social behaviour in any form will have more crime of all sorts. so that's why we now have record numbers of police officers and every crime should be investigated . our streets will investigated. our streets will be safer, our communities more secure. no one should be afraid to walk home alone at night. >> it's not acceptable for civil servants to be brainwashed into ideas like critical race theory, which divides our communities and goes against the wise words of martin luther king, who aspired to a colour—blind society . society. >> people of north yorkshire were not interested in my colour, but my character never let anyone tell you that this is a racist country. it is not. my story is a british story, a

story is a british story, a story about how a family can go from arriving here with little to downing street in three generations. it's not acceptable for the nhs to refer to women as birthing humans. >> sis , females or chest feeders >> sis, females or chest feeders . i'll make sure that the public sector embraces the fundamental facts of human biology. >> patients should know when hospitals are talking about men or women . or women. >> i will restore what it is to be a woman and protect it in law and let me put this on record zero women have penises . not zero women have penises. not even the butch ones. and we shouldn't get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be. >> they can't. a man is a man and a woman is a woman. i will be britain's first anti—woke prime minister that's just common sense . common sense. >> and there you have it. >> and there you have it. >> i couldn't have put it better myself .

myself. so who wins ? dolan or sunak? so who wins? dolan or sunak? your verdict on rishi sunak's speech and how it compared to the speech that i wrote for him on monday night, i'd say sunak did well , but on monday night, i'd say sunak did well, but didn't go far enough. let's get reaction from my top pundits tonight. fleet street legend nina myskow , street legend nina myskow, historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt, and journalist , broadcaster and and journalist, broadcaster and podcast host linda jubilee. linda your verdicts on the great battle dolan versus sunak who won? >> i think you might have done actually. >> you're not just saying that. you're not just saying that because the payroll. because you're on the payroll. >> i think that made >> well, i think that he made a clever do a lot of clever speech. i do a lot of pubuc clever speech. i do a lot of public speaking training for people. and i think it was a clever speech. it was a good speech. it wasn't barnstorming clever speech. it was a good sp(any. it wasn't barnstorming clever speech. it was a good sp(any. it was|of barnstorming clever speech. it was a good sp(any. it was|of the 1storming by any stretch of the imagination . but he's never imagination. but he's never going to be a great orator. i think you have to agree that. i think you have to agree that. i think he could have gone a little further but little bit further there. but actually, he nailed it.

actually, i think he nailed it. >> how about you, nina ? you can >> how about you, nina? you can be you be brutal. be honest. you can be brutal. you normally are. >> be preaching to the >> you could be preaching to the converted think expected. >> actually, having seen those two compared that they've somehow airbrushed out the strings like you were. you know, he was he was your puppet. and they airbrushed that out. very clever. no i mean, it was it was it was it was a very good tory speech and much better than people would have expected . but people would have expected. but on the other hand, where were his pledges been his five pledges that he's been banging me on my banging on aboutjudge me on my five pledges. what is it? you know, halve inflation, bring down the waiting lists, stop the boats, stop the boats and cobley and all and a partridge in a pear tree. what? what ever it is not word. and while he's not a word. and while he's talking about you know, everybody having to do english and maths till the of and maths till the age of 18, completely missing out, the point that children are now in crumbling day , dangerous school crumbling day, dangerous school buildings is nothing about that. nothing we will fix this quickly

. so it's all nothing to see here. we're looking into the future so there was nothing. there was nothing really practical that's going to help real people, ordinary people who are struggling with with with finance and heating bills coming up in a couple of months . there up in a couple of months. there was nothing concrete for them. >> speaking of which, no house building either? >> no, nothing about housebuilding. and that's the one thing this country is crying out for. we're desperate for houses. >> what do you think >> okay, well, what do you think about sunak about this speech from sunak david? we've noticed david? because we've noticed a change in tone and policy from sunak over the last 3 or 4 weeks. was that writ large in his speech today? did it feel on wednesday ? it like wednesday? did it feel like a radical speech? not particularly. >> it felt like a speech that tony have made and tony blair could have made and indeed, delivery indeed, his entire delivery reminds than anything reminds me more than anything else, more than any tory leader . he reminds me tony blair, . he reminds me of tony blair, the who three elections. the man who won three elections. exactly. that sort exactly. he's copying that sort of eyes. nice of compassionate eyes. nice hands, soft demeanour, because he thinks it's going help him he thinks it's going to help him win ground. he he thinks it's going to help him win to ground. he he thinks it's going to help him win to retain ground. he he thinks it's going to help him win to retain a ground. he he thinks it's going to help him win to retain a small)und. he he thinks it's going to help him win to retain a small majority needs to retain a small majority at the election, which at the next election, which i still probably evens

still think is probably evens outlook along with labour being the largest party but not majority. as for the actual policy, it was absolutely lukewarm. there was nothing for either the really hard tories who want zero migration, who want reducing debt. >> now pinning your hopes on bringing down inflation when we have an independent bank of england is ludicrous. >> he has zero control over this. it's entirely down to andrew bailey and the monetary policy committee of the bank of england do what they can england to do what they can stand up to. >> the striking unions he stand up to. >> 'cut striking unions he stand up to. >> 'cut spending.1ions he stand up to. >> 'cut spending. that's he can cut spending. that's certainly two levers. >> well >> cutting spending. well cutting spending will have at this limited effect this time a very limited effect on on inflation. i just don't think there was enough there of on on inflation. i just don't thin real>re was enough there of on on inflation. i just don't thin real substance. ugh there of on on inflation. i just don't thin real substance. andthere of on on inflation. i just don't thin real substance. and itere of on on inflation. i just don't thin real substance. and it came any real substance. and it came across to as yet another across to me as yet another cleverly focussed group, triangulated with zero triangulated speech with zero bottom zero impact and zero effect on people's lives. you're going to have to get off that that fence. pass me a letter. >> was going to say >> i was going to say i'm interested in that. you think that might a chance in that they might have a chance in the in the by—election in scotland, conservatives scotland, the conservatives lost his yes, but this is

scotland. >> i know. well still. but but still, that's a bit of an indication. well it's funny you should mention that, because coming up next in the big story, has last night's shock by—election victory in scotland handed and starmer handed labour and keir starmer the to number 10 and are the keys to number 10 and are the keys to number 10 and are the snp and their dream of independence now dead in the water will speak to a to top experts north of the border that is next .

more that's to going put off some voters . well on monday some voters. well on monday i presented the show 9 to 11 and let me tell you that i wrote it. >> rishi sunak's conference speech in advance so he didn't have to. and then, of course, we had his speech on wednesday . so had his speech on wednesday. so tonight's big opinion was a mixture of my speech , mixture of my speech, suggestions and sunaks what is your verdict? who won? dolan versus sunak? well, richard says your speech . don't forget to put your speech. don't forget to put an invoice in for writing the

prime minister's speech. unfortunately it's made as much difference in the polls as a lead balloon , allen says. do one lead balloon, allen says. do one for starmer tomorrow . allen i'm for starmer tomorrow. allen i'm not sure i get paid enough to put myself through that. sandra says. hi mark. i guess everything you said represented most of the british public, but whether or not sunak will get in is another matter. boris would have. stuart mark dolan for pm says stuart clearly been on the sherbets but thank you stuart richard yes , but sunak speech richard yes, but sunak speech has gone down like a lead balloon. actions speak louder than words , says richard. and than words, says richard. and last but not least , adrian mark last but not least, adrian mark gb news.com last but not least, adrian mark gbnews.com adrian says dolan for pm. i say well done mates a lot better than starmers speech will be. well i'm glad you mentioned that because we will have in—depth coverage of the labour party conference from sunday. that's right. mark dolan tonight looking at all the implications of what could be the next government this country? well government of this country? well it's time now for the big story. and labour has triumphed in the rutherglen and hamilton west

by—election in scotland, with sir keir starmer hailing it a seismic result for his party. michael shanks replaces the former mp margaret ferrier, who was ousted from her seat in august following a successful recall petition fine for breaching covid restrictions dunng breaching covid restrictions during the lockdown of 2020. so what are the implications of this result? what if labour pick up 50 or more seats north of the border? what does that all but guarantee that a labour government will happen at the next election? and what does this mean for the snp and their dream of independence to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome scottish political commentator dr. waiton and journalist dr. stuart waiton and journalist and former bbc presenter ian mcwhirter , whose article in this mcwhirter, whose article in this week's spectator magazine is headuned week's spectator magazine is headlined the snp hegemony in scotland is over . well, scotland is over. well, gentlemen, welcome to the show. stuart let me start with you. there is one clear winner in all of this, isn't there? keir starmer um, well, that's, that's

the outcome, but i think more than anything, what we're witnessing in scotland is the implosion of the snp. >> i think that's the dynamic . >> i think that's the dynamic. nick and it would have been a surprise , as if anyone other surprise, as if anyone other than labour had actually won the election . and so i think that's election. and so i think that's the interesting thing. i mean at the interesting thing. i mean at the level of politics, my big concern is that i can't see any difference between the labour party and the snp. other than the question of independence. on any of the major issues. i hardly saw politics in this discussion and the thing that's really peculiar at the minute, i'm doing a lot of work in education and where i see a lot of discussion about values is in schools where teachers are teaching social justice values to pupils , and that's where you to pupils, and that's where you get the politics. you get identity politics in school, and then you come to an election like this. and i don't see any politics and certainly no difference between the politics of labour and the snp. unfortunate u nfo rtunate >> so unfortunate >> so what you're what you're

saying , stuart, is that labour saying, stuart, is that labour are just as woke as the snp . are just as woke as the snp. >> yeah, essentially . and if you >> yeah, essentially. and if you look at all the all the votes over the last 15 years and their attitudes towards education, in their attitudes towards the trans question, the adoption of critical race theory in schools and experimentalism in the curriculum , it's almost like curriculum, it's almost like they're bypassing adults and having a discussion about values or rather enforcing a discussion of values onto children . of values onto children. >> ian, great to have you on the show . what does last night's show. what does last night's result mean for the future of the snp and independence ? the snp and independence? >> it's highly significant. >> it's highly significant. >> it's highly significant. >> i mean, for once , keir >> i mean, for once, keir starmer was absolutely right when he said that they had blown the doors off. they have blown the doors off. they have blown the doors off the snp in scotland . this is the beginning scotland. this is the beginning of the end of the snp's decade long hegemony in scotland. it's

not just because this is one result stunning result that it is , but also because it confirms is, but also because it confirms the general run of opinion polls indicated there's been a massive switch across to labour in scotland away from the snp and this is only going to build up in the next 12 months before the next general election because people are going to have the choice now in scotland. they're going do you want to going to say, do you want to vote for the snp? as you have donein vote for the snp? as you have done in the past ten years and achieve mediocrity? as is evident been the case? or do you want to make a big change? you can change the government in westminster. that's the deal that labour is going to be offering them and it's very offering them and it's a very persuasive one. you've got to remember before 2015, remember that before 2015, scotland always been scotland had always been a labour dominated country. in 2010, the general election in 2010, the general election in 2010, labour returned 41 seats in scotland. the snp returned six. now in this showing on on rutherglen showing they'll get back nearly all of those 40 seats. and as everyone says is

the road to number 10 for labour goes through scotland and it looks like this is going to deliver a working majority for keir starmer . keir starmer. >> well, yes, and of course ian , if labour do well in scotland , it takes the pressure off them to win back the red wall, which could be tight. to win back the red wall, which could be tight . yes, exactly . could be tight. yes, exactly. >> and i think though i understand stuart's dismay about the drift of intellectual policy and attitudes in academia in particular and in politics. but i think he's missing something very important in scotland that this by—election results has underlined. there's been a significant sea change in attitudes in scotland. if you look at labour's policies in recent months , they've been recent months, they've been tacking quite significantly to the right . in 2019, the tacking quite significantly to the right. in 2019, the snp tacking quite significantly to the right . in 2019, the snp was the right. in 2019, the snp was significantly labour rather was significantly labour rather was significantly to the left of the snp. when jeremy corbyn was in charge. now they are significantly to the right, right in all the key issues that stuart mentioned there.

stuart had mentioned there. genden stuart had mentioned there. gender, for example , a year ago, gender, for example, a year ago, the labour party leader in scotland , anas sannar, whipped scotland, anas sannar, whipped his mps to vote for the gender recognition reform scotland bill is hugely divisive and highly contentious piece of legislation which would allow 16 year olds to change their sex merely by making a declaration. he's now opposed to that . labour is now opposed to that. labour is now opposed to that. labour is now opposed to that. labour is now opposed to that. labour now says men are men, women are women and you can't change sex just exactly as rishi sunak . if you exactly as rishi sunak. if you look at welfare , labour now look at welfare, labour now accepts the conservatives . two accepts the conservatives. two child cap on child benefits, which labour used to call the rape clause. they make significant change there as well .labour significant change there as well . labour also, of course now accepts brexit and of course is totally opposed to any independence referenda in scotland. and even if you take energy and the rhetoric from labour has changed very significantly on that as well.

on net zero, you know the snp says well like the greens we've got to keep keep scotland's oil and gas in the ground. we don't want any of it to come out, we don't want rosebank, we don't want now labour is want cambo. so now labour is accepting the rosebank accepting that the rosebank highly controversial oil gas highly controversial oil and gas field should be developed. and he's that fossil he's also saying that fossil fuels will be around for decades to be to come. so as a whole, a whole range of issues in which labour has moved very significantly. if you like, to the right. and in fact , i mean the right. and in fact, i mean in many respects it's now occupying not just snp territory, but concern native territory, but concern native territory in scotland. conservative issues are nowhere. they came nowhere in rutherglen, they lost their deposit, but labouris they lost their deposit, but labour is now taking over their positions and most notably on tax , because this has been the tax, because this has been the defining issue for humza yousaf since she took over the snp in scotland. he says he wants to increase taxes even more on people earning more than £50,000 a year. labour has now said no, we're not having that anymore, we're not having that anymore, we don't want any more tax ,

we don't want any more tax, we're not getting any value from it labour now has it and labour now has a presumption against tax increases in scotland . that's increases in scotland. that's a huge change. huge. so i mean, you know, you're seeing a very significant development here ideologically and constitutionally as well . so constitutionally as well. so it's fascinating. again tells you is that independence and an independence referendum for scotland is off the agenda. >> off the agenda . fascinating >> off the agenda. fascinating stuff, stuart. last but not least to you, labour now have a very good leader in anas sannar, very good leader in anas sannar, very articulate guy, popular figure in scottish politics. do you think the snp are rueing the day they elected humza yousaf and do you agree that independence is now gone for a generation ? generation? >> um, i think there's a problem with independence, especially when it's scotland appears quite static, especially economically. and i think the snp working in cahoots with the greens have looked a little bit othennorldly in terms of how do we get out of

the problems that we have. humza yousaf is not a popular politician . um, i think the idea politician. um, i think the idea that the snp are competent , that the snp are competent, which is a kind of key thing and having a statesman like leader with nick nicola sturgeon, whatever you think of her, she was very, very competent . and so was very, very competent. and so that dynamic , that sense of that dynamic, that sense of a statesman like leader has had a huge blow. and of course , it's huge blow. and of course, it's so i still think the dynamic is more to do with the collapse of the snp and to some extent i think the independence question has been undermined by the snp's . what's happened to the snp over the last six months, whether labour are really shifting to the right. if you want to call it that. i don't know what right and left means anymore. know. i suspect anymore. i don't know. i suspect perhaps opportunistically, but i suppose that's not a bad thing because they should be trying to reflect the electorate rather than their values on the than force their values on the electorate. but um, i'm, i'm not going to hold my breath on that

one, but we'll wait and see. >> what a fascinating debate. stuart thank so stuart and ian, thank you so much valuable time. much for your valuable time. dr. stuart mcwhirter stuart waiton and ian mcwhirter weighing in on what was a massive result for labour in scotland last night. let me know your thoughts. has the success in that by—election north of the border gifted keir starmer the keys to number 10 and also is the snp's dream of independence now gone for a generation ? let now gone for a generation? let me know your thoughts coming up in tonight's top pundits as they lose a major backer are just stop oil running out of fuel. plus after another crazy video emerges, do their supporters have a screw loose? plus, following the very sad news that sir alex ferguson's wife , cathy, sir alex ferguson's wife, cathy, has passed away after 57 years of marriage. we'll speak to sir alex's biographer about the importance of this amazing lady in his life . plus, we've been in his life. plus, we've been asking you , will rishi sunak no asking you, will rishi sunak no nonsense definition of a woman win him the female vote at the next election? the results are

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radio. >> well , i've been conducting an >> well, i've been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight, people's poll. we've been asking will rishi sunaks no nonsense definition of a woman win him the female vote at the next election ? the results are in and election? the results are in and it's good news for the pm. 65% say yes, while 35% will say no. so i'll be debating that with bbc tv news legend sue cook in the next hour . now, lady cathy the next hour. now, lady cathy ferguson , the wife of the former ferguson, the wife of the former manchester united manager , sir manchester united manager, sir alex ferguson, and the woman he called his bedrock has died at the age of 84. a glasgow native, cathy holding met her husband to be whilst they were working together in a typewriter factory in 1964. they were married two years later and went on to raise three children and 12 grandchildren over a course of a relationship that lasted for more than half a century. for

reaction to this very sad news, i'm delighted to welcome television news journalist and the author of the boss, the many sides of alex ferguson, michael crick . michael, thank for crick. michael, thank you for joining us. short notice just how important a figure was. lady cathy in sir alex's life ? cathy in sir alex's life? >> well , very, very important >> well, very, very important indeed. and the fact that the marriage lasted more than 50 years says it all. >> i think i mean, alex ferguson, inevit ably during his time as a you know, a star in football , will have met many, football, will have met many, many glamorous women, very many women who are perhaps more sophisticated. >> but throughout at that time, he was utterly devoted to cathy. they had their ups and downs. they had their ups and downs. they had their rocky moments . they had their rocky moments. but he owed her a huge amount. she basically is the only woman probably or the only person that he was , i think, frightened of, he was, i think, frightened of, terrified of . and she ran the terrified of. and she ran the home when ferguson was out off night after night after night,

not just managing night after night after night, notjust managing his night after night after night, not just managing his football clubs, but i mean, the 1970s. i mean, he also ran a couple of pubs. mean, he also ran a couple of pubs . um, and mean, he also ran a couple of pubs. um, and he was if he wasn't going to football matches all over scotland , he was making all over scotland, he was making meals in his bar fergie's and she barely saw him apart from on sundays . and it was her job to sundays. and it was her job to bnng sundays. and it was her job to bring up the three young boys who all went on in to successful careers. i mean, she was a formidable woman. i met her once actually at a party and we had a, you know, quite a conversation . the trouble was a, you know, quite a conva�*sation . the trouble was a, you know, quite a conva glaswegian trouble was a, you know, quite a conva glaswegian accente was a, you know, quite a conva glaswegian accent was; a, you know, quite a conva glaswegian accent was so that a glaswegian accent was so strong that i, you know , i could strong that i, you know, i could only understand about half of what she said. but she clearly was a very formidable woman and she played a huge role in his career. actually at key moments when he might have moved, you know , to go and play football know, to go and play football for nottingham forest in 1969 or later on, ferguson agreed to go and manage tottenham hotspur in 1985. it was a deal . he and manage tottenham hotspur in 1985. it was a deal. he did it with the spurs chairman and apparently cathy ferguson said ,

apparently cathy ferguson said, no, i don't want to go and live in london. we're staying here in aberdeen. and it was only the following year that she was persuaded that by the compromise of going live in in of going to live in in manchester. but even then , i manchester. but even then, i mean, when ferguson got new jobs , he often i mean, he , he was often away. i mean, he was away nine living was away for nine months living in manchester before came in manchester before she came down she was you down with the boys. she was you know, didn't like football know, she didn't like football really. very rarely went really. she he very rarely went to matches. she thought it was a trivial game. and i suppose she was right . and, trivial game. and i suppose she was right. and, you trivial game. and i suppose she was right . and, you know, at was right. and, you know, at home, i think she was the boss. and of course, everywhere else, sir alex was the boss. >> well, indeed, briefly , if you >> well, indeed, briefly, if you can, michael. and to just touch on the religious divide , sir on the religious divide, sir alex ferguson faced prejudice, didn't he, for his choice of cathy as his wife, because he was a protestant and her family were catholic. yeah they got married in a registry office in glasgow in 1966. >> in the morning, catholic and protestant, very, you know , very protestant, very, you know, very controversial in those days in in the highly charged and

bigoted atmosphere of the west of scotland. and he went off to play of scotland. and he went off to play football in the afternoon and then went to off a european fixture with dunfermline the following week. when he was following week. but when he was at a year later, at rangers a year or two later, there was a lot of great glasgow rangers, an incredibly bigoted club . in those days. they hadn't club. in those days. they hadn't had a catholic player since the first a lot of the first world war and a lot of the directors and people at rangers and the fans were deeply suspicious of ferguson himself. for marrying a catholic and his time at rangers . it was probably time at rangers. it was probably the worst part of his entire football playing career , and football playing career, and eventually he had to leave . that eventually he had to leave. that was that was the atmosphere in scotland at that time because ferguson was not, you know, i mean, those kind of prejudices meant nothing. i mean, he was very angry about it, but he it was an a terribly unfortunate incident. but, i mean, he himself, you know, not only did he marry cathy, but his parents and his grandparents had also had marriages that crossed the divide, which is, you know,

quite unusual for that for scotland in those days . indeed. scotland in those days. indeed. >> so and i've only got a couple of seconds. great to of seconds. michael, great to have the show. have you on the show. ultimately, relationship ultimately, this relationship was underpinned by a deep mutual respect and deep love. >> indeed. and it was very touching, really. the devotion he had to cathy. and, you know, when he but she prolonged his career at united, thank goodness. you know , he announced goodness. you know, he announced he was going to retire in 2002. and she said i don't want you at home mooching around and moaning all the time. get back to your. and he and he gave the club and he did. and he gave the club another another what, 11 years? and they won the league about six times. the european cup six times. and the european cup again. so she did a huge amount actually to make ferguson into the legend that he became . the legend that he became. >> michael, come and see us again in the studio soon. my thanks to sir alex's biographer . he has written the boss, the many sides of sir alex, which is out now, came out a few years

ago. michael crick, thanks, michael. now reacting to the big stories of the day. tonight's top pundits, street legend top pundits, fleet street legend nina historian and nina meshkov, historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt and journalist and broadcaster , host of the common broadcaster, host of the common sense podcast , which is very sense podcast, which is very popular. it's nearly as popular as mine . the popular. it's nearly as popular as mine. the mark dolan, popular. it's nearly as popular as mine . the mark dolan, way as mine. the mark dolan, way less so . there you go, linda less so. there you go, linda jubilee now in a developing story, football club owner ecotricity founder and labour donor dale vince has announced this evening that he will stop funding the eco campaign group, just stop oil and instead spend the cash on campaigning for a new government in the run up to the election . he said it the next election. he said it had clear to him that no had become clear to him that no amount of protesting and direct action would prevent the government from drilling in the north he will instead focus government from drilling in the norefforts he will instead focus government from drilling in the norefforts onl will instead focus government from drilling in the norefforts on supporting d focus government from drilling in the norefforts on supporting just:us his efforts on supporting just vote 24, a campaign group which says it aims to empower the younger generation, especially first time voters, to exercise their right to vote. meanwhile, one of just off oil's increasingly unhinged campaigners made quite a name

for herself on sky news this week. take a listen . week. take a listen. >> how worse does it have to get ? >> how many kids have to die ? >> how many kids have to die? >> how many kids have to die? >> how many more young people have to do this stuff ? i >> how many more young people have to do this stuff? i don't know what else to say . why know what else to say. why aren't you on the streets with us? that's all i can say . us? that's all i can say. >> someone pass her a hanky. so are just stop oil running out of fuel and do their supporters have a screw loose? what do you think? is it the beginning of the end for just stop oil if they're going to lose a multi million backer ? million pound backer? >> i here is the >> what i think here is the backer has strategically done exactly the right thing . i'm not exactly the right thing. i'm not saying i agree with him. i'm not saying i agree with him. i'm not saying i agree with him. i'm not saying i agree with stop oil . saying i agree with stop oil. but if i knew that i wasn't having any impact at all on the government and the government was just going go ahead with was just going to go ahead with policies agree with, policies i didn't agree with, i'd take my money and i'd i'd take my money out and i'd put elsewhere and i'd it put it elsewhere and i'd put it exactly where he's going to put it. so hasn't said who he's it. so he hasn't said who he's going to back. he's not necessarily going to funnel all this party . this money to the labour party. but has said is he

but what he has said is that he is going for people who is going to go for people who weren't old enough vote last weren't old enough to vote last time or who were too apathetic for vote last time, but may for vote last time, but they may not time because i can not be this time because i can assure when to my assure you when i talk to my children who are all adults, what care in next what they care about in the next election is the environment they care about housing too. but i know because they've told me they care about the environment, he stands a reasonable chance . he stands a reasonable chance. but again, i'm not saying he's right . i'm but again, i'm not saying he's right. i'm saying i understand his . he is going to put his strategy. he is going to put money and effort into getting younger voters into the mix. >> now, this move by dale vince helps keir starmer, doesn't it? because now a major labour backeris because now a major labour backer is not supporting just stop oil. that was something that was being weaponised by the government , by the conservatives. >> it does . and it reminds me >> it does. and it reminds me actually of sir james goldsmith in setting the in 1997 setting up the referendum party take votes referendum party to take votes away from the conservatives because thought been because he thought they'd been utterly useless and wet on europe and in doing so probably helped tony blair get across the line with such enormous line with such an enormous majority. of majority. see these kind of individuals with great funds at

their disposal, on their disposal, taking on a popular cause, this case, popular cause, or in this case, a cause that is popular with a certain influential part of certain and influential part of the can really make the electorate can really make a difference . think very difference. i think it's very good stopped funding just good he's stopped funding just stop is a totally stop oil, which is a totally destructive i felt destructive movement. i felt terribly, sorry for all terribly, terribly sorry for all those mizraab this those people at mizraab this week whose trip to london was ruined because these are ruined by this because these are the very people that the labour party supposed to stand up party is supposed to stand up for. would imagine people for. you would imagine people who rarely and who come to london rarely and put time and effort put a lot of time and effort into so and to have it into doing so and to have it destroyed was destroyed in this way was absolutely callous. and besides which, just stop. oil makes no difference. everything difference. i think everything they voters against they do hardens voters against them. it makes people think if you are in favour of these policies , which i'm adamantly policies, which i'm adamantly against them because you are such dreadful people . such dreadful people. >> yes. if anyone didn't know that story, just stop. oil stormed a performance of les miserables in central london. really bad news for punters really bad news for the punters , except who enjoy , except those who don't enjoy musicals . , except those who don't enjoy musicals. nina. you saw musicals. nina. yes, you saw that video of that lady in on sky news very distressed, very hysterical. not the first. and there will be others. do these

people have a screw loose? >> i think a screw loose is kind of really a bit patronising that she obviously cares so passionately and can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't go along with it. and perhaps it's taken over her life , but detached from reality i >> hysterical. >> hysterical. >> i don't know if it's detached from reality, but. but so passionate that that that all her focus is on this. the thing is about the just stop oil and extinction rebellion and all these people, when they first started out, i, i think a lot of us were were very sympathetic because you can you can see the point climate change all of that. but particularly, for instance, the ones who are glueing themselves to the road. not i like that bit about not that i like that bit about insulation and insulating homes because that makes it enormous sense to insulate homes. and why it does our building regulations are so crap that, you know , we are so crap that, you know, we haven't built houses that have insulation and now we're trying to play. >> insulating is not

>> insulating homes is not a wacko idea. >> it's not a wacko >> no, it's not a wacko idea, but trouble gone but the trouble is they've gone around about this the wrong way. and the start, because and from the start, because extinction was extinction rebellion, i was seeing know, marching seeing them, you know, marching down the street at camden high street, i was standing and street, and i was standing and saying, and saying, okay, right. and i thought, do you want thought, well, what do you want me ? what do want me to me to do? what do you want me to do? like, do? and, you know, it's like, what want? know . what do you want? i don't know. when do you want it? not sure. what do? don't know. okay. what can i do? don't know. okay. you need to. you need to know. so, like michael moore in america, documentary maker, great documentary man. he would take it to the oil companies and that's where he would make his big protest . big protest. >> all right. well, look, what do think are supporters of do you think are supporters of just stop oil suffering mental health issues ? have they got a health issues? have they got a screw loose or is that harsh language? let me know. mark gbnews.com. coming in my take gbnews.com. coming up in my take at ten football legend kevin keegan latest victim of keegan is the latest victim of the mob for saying only men the woke mob for saying only men should commentate on men's football. contrary football. hardly contrary herschel. it's time to show those attacking him the red card. my take at ten. but card. that's my take at ten. but first my meets guest has

first my mark meets guest has gone from addiction and suicide to hero and now he's to military hero and now he's helping the likes of superstar harry kane. find out more.

n ext next is kevin keegan a sexist dinosaur ? that's the topic of my dinosaur? that's the topic of my take at ten. you won't want to miss it, let me tell you. but first, this . yes, it's mark first, this. yes, it's mark meets and this evening, ben williams was struggling with drug addiction and battling suicidal thoughts when he saw an advert for the royal marines commandos. that changed his life forever. serving ten years, he learnt the important lessons of purpose, integrity, motivation and teamwork. since leaving the military, he's been helping high performance companies and professional sports teams, including the england football squad, coaching them in the run

up to their successful performance at the 2018 world cup. his inspiring book is called commando mindset find your motivation. realise your potential, achieve your goals . potential, achieve your goals. and the book is winning rave reviews, i'm delighted to say. ben williams joins me now. ben, great to have you in the studio . can we talk about the beginning thing you struggled with drug addiction, suicidal thoughts . tell me more about thoughts. tell me more about your life at that time , i was a your life at that time, i was a very individual . very lost individual. >> well, and i believe i didn't have the role models in my life at the time. that could guide me to where i needed to be and who ineeded to where i needed to be and who i needed to be at. and i found myself in a place of those thoughts and using drugs as an escape for what i was feeling and thinking. and actually the royal marines advert was something that almost reached out and grabbed me and said to me, you're purpose is here, exists here. and that sent me on the path to become a royal marines commando. >> so remarkable. you saw the

advert what a moment of destiny for you. what made you go for it being outside my comfort zone and thinking this is something i should be doing, something i'm compelled to do? >> i was eight years old, i >> when i was eight years old, i had cam cream go to had the cam cream on. i'd go to the marines museum and the royal marines museum and it was who it's what was part of who i was. it's what i be, but i lost i wanted to be, but i lost that along the a young adult. along the way as a young adult. and for me, the advert found me to put that track. to put me on that track. >> what did life in the >> and so what did life in the marines ten years give you as a person ? person? >> lots of ups and downs, lots of challenges. the biggest thing , though, it's surrounded me with people who i needed to be around , people that around role models, people that i could look up to and motivated group of individuals who were operationally, professionally focus that we had ethos, we had values, we had a spirit discipline, discipline, structure . but something more structure. but something more than that. the spirit amongst all of us as royal marines is something that you can't really replace anywhere else . and i use replace anywhere else. and i use that model word very that role model word very clearly. i think a lot of that is actually missing in what we

need within society at the moment. special people like me between the of 20 and 35 between the ages of 20 and 35 years old, who do we look up to? where we find our where do we find our superheroes? and fortunately for me, i got to spend ten years alongside some of them. >> well, i think it's great. and i think message you've got i think the message you've got is nick, and is very authentic. nick, and probably more useful than andrew tate peterson, tate or jordan peterson, perhaps, because what you're offering is authentic life lessons , great tools with which lessons, great tools with which to move fonnard . so if i've got to move fonnard. so if i've got viewers listeners , because viewers and listeners, because you're also a professional you're now also a professional coach well, helping people to coach as well, helping people to achieve more in their lives , if achieve more in their lives, if i've got viewers and listeners who stuck , whose are who feel stuck, whose lives are not where they want them to be, or perhaps in a bad relationship, can they relationship, how can they provoke that change? how can they get out of the rut , get they get out of the rut, get comfortable uncomfortable ? >> well, most of our self—induced problems , exactly self—induced problems, exactly where i found myself, were induced by comfort and comfort is shrouded by fear . right. and is shrouded by fear. right. and we have this relationship with fear in this modern society that it's a bad thing. but fear is a

really good thing. it shows you where you can go. it shows you that, yes, there may risks. that, yes, there may be risks. there be harm, but there may there may be harm, but there may be other side be good. on the other side of that. when we work with that. and when we can work with fear opposed to against that. and when we can work with fea end opposed to against that. and when we can work with fea end upnosed to against that. and when we can work with fea end up having against that. and when we can work with fea end up having thoseist that. and when we can work with fea end up having those lives we end up having those lives where more purpose, more where we find more purpose, more fulfilment . and i'm coach and fulfilment. and i'm a coach and i'm author. now tech i'm an author. i'm now a tech founder and our purpose is around ensure that we help other people use our technology to live more fulfilled lives , live more fulfilled lives, better lives. it takes a lot of fear to push through and work with in order to find that purpose life. get imposter purpose in life. i get imposter syndrome all the time, out syndrome all the time, sat out there never , never. but it's there never, never. but it's there never, never. but it's there and people . it's that fear there and people. it's that fear that you need to get comfortable with. >> well, that brilliant . i >> well, that is brilliant. i know book is like a roadmap know the book is like a roadmap for the life that you want to have, to flash for the life that you want to ha\the to flash for the life that you want to ha\the details to flash for the life that you want to ha\the details of to flash for the life that you want to ha\the details of the to flash for the life that you want to ha\the details of the to f|inh up the details of the book in just a moment. you've helped elite sports stars , including elite sports stars, including the england squad, in the run up to the 2018 world cup. you've been working with people like harry kane. what did you say to harry kane. what did you say to harry kane. what did you say to harry kane ? harry kane? >> harry kane and people just like harry have incredible

mindsets and it takes a lot to tap into that mindset. and they're in the position they are now, but they still need your help, right? yeah. and when we work as part of work with them as part of the royal and aftennards, it royal marines and aftennards, it was about values, do you was about values, how do you instil group of instil values into a group of individuals that come from different where can different clubs where they can come together and have a unite set of values that can put them on the train towards success? and in the recent and you can see it in the recent world euros, it world cups in euros, that it clearly even now clearly works. and even now harry's reporting about how they still royal still reference the royal marines many years on. marines values, many years on. >> about that fear >> and what about that fear mindset? built mindset? because fear is built into the human psyche, isn't it? it's probably a survival instinct. so if i've got viewers and listeners who just and listeners who are just afraid of making leap, you afraid of making the leap, you know, quitting their job know, maybe quitting their job and they really want and doing what they really want to relationship, to do or ending a relationship, how can you break through fear? you need to be driven by something that inspires you , right? >> you have to have something. drive the goal, pulls you through exactly it pulls you through it. exactly it pulls you through. helps you build through. that helps you build courage. as i wrote in courage. and as i wrote about in the it drives enactment. the book, it drives enactment. but another part to it, but there's another part to it, which surround yourself

which is surround yourself with excellence yourself excellence. surround yourself with than with people who are better than you. and whether that's through the products like the form of using products like we're lupin or we're building at lupin or whether through reading whether it's through reading books following the right books or following the right people , you will find advice and people, you will find advice and knowledge and wisdom that i think many people are lacking at the moment, that they need more power to you. >> the book is out. dominique. let's have the older screengrab, if i can. and it's commando mindsets, okay? it's a bestseller. it's winning rave reviews and it's out now. there it is. find your motivation , it is. find your motivation, realise your potential, achieve your goals. it's by ben williams. ben, come back and see us soon. you've put me in a really good mood. you've motivated me for the weekend. okay, up , is kevin okay, folks, next up, is kevin keegan sexist dinosaur? keegan a sexist dinosaur? i don't think so. that's the topic of my take at ten. you won't want to miss

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here. what have you got planned? are you working? have you got some time off? either way, let's make it a good you are make it a good one. you are watching mark dolan tonight. it is 10:00 on tv, on radio and onune is 10:00 on tv, on radio and online in the united kingdom. and across the world. a busy show for you in my take at ten football legend kevin keegan is the latest victim of the woke mob for saying only men should commentate on men's football . commentate on men's football. hardly controversial. it's time to show those attacking him. the red card will rishi sunak clear no nonsense definition of a woman win him the female vote at the next election . and are the the next election. and are the bbc letting down listeners by axing local radio stations? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, bbc tv legend sue cook . plus, bbc tv legend sue cook. plus, tomorrow's newspaper , front tomorrow's newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits . so a packed show, lots pundits. so a packed show, lots to get through. is it kevin keegan, a sexist dinosaur? that is the topic of my take at ten. it's in three minutes time. i'm

not pulling my punches. i won't be censored. i won't be silenced . it's not in my nature. so a busy hour to come. don't go anywhere. first, the news with a good friend of mine, tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you and good evening . this is the latest from evening. this is the latest from the newsroom . a man has been the newsroom. a man has been remanded in custody over an alleged plot to kidnap and kill tv presenter holly willoughby. gavin plumb , a shopping centre gavin plumb, a shopping centre security guard, is charged with soliciting a man to carry out the crimes. the star pulled out of hosting itv's this morning after bosses were reportedly alerted to the possible threat. it's understood she's been given round the clock security and support . labour's describing it support. labour's describing it as rutherglen and hamilton west by—election win as a seismic victory . michael shanks took the victory. michael shanks took the seat with 58% of the vote, more than double that of the snp's

katie loudon . labour leader sir katie loudon. labour leader sir keir starmer says scotland is key to securing a majority at the next general election . the next general election. former first minister and current alba party leader alex salmond says humza yousaf usf has days to save his job after the by—election defeat . the by—election defeat. scotland's first minister says the snp needs time to reflect on the snp needs time to reflect on the result . the result. >> for the snp. we didn't do enough. >> for the snp. we didn't do enough . we know that there was enough. we know that there was contextual factors. margaret ferrier's reckless actions , the ferrier's reckless actions, the police investigation of course , police investigation of course, but we've got to reflect , i've but we've got to reflect, i've got to reflect the party has to ensure we've got a good campaign machine behind us, but also that we're inspiring people with a message. we clearly got a message. we clearly got a message from the voters of rutherglen and hamilton west that lost some trust that the snp has lost some trust in that seat. we've got to make sure we regain it. >> a key supporter of the just stop oil protest group says he's redirecting his funding to a youth voting campaign on green energy. industrialist dale vince says he's given more than

£340,000 since the group's foundation . but he says under foundation. but he says under the current government , the the current government, the protest cannot work . and he protest cannot work. and he warns further disruption may prove counter—productive . mr prove counter—productive. mr vince is instead supporting a new cause aimed at encouraging young people to vote. just o'boyle says it will continue its campaign of civil resistance . in other news, a conservative councillor has called for the home secretary's resignation over the handling of scampton. the government's accused of ignonng the government's accused of ignoring a legal order to stop converting the former air base into a migrant camp to house 2000 people. the home office says it's confident the project meets planning requirements. but councillor roger patterson described the department as liars . and while much of the uk liars. and while much of the uk could see temperatures of up to 26 c at the weekend, a warning for rain is in place in parts of scotland. the met office has issued both amber and yellow rain warnings for large parts of scotland and northern england.

from tomorrow until sunday morning. scotrail has announced there will significant there will be significant disruption to its service as a result. in contrast, fine and dry weather for southern and central england . temperatures central england. temperatures could rise as high as 25 degrees by sunday afternoon . you're with by sunday afternoon. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news. now it's back to . mark it's back to. mark >> thanks, tatiana. she returns in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan. tonight will rishi sunak clear no nonsense definition of a woman win him the female vote at the next election and are the bbc letting down listeners by axing local radio stations ? i'll be asking radio stations? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker , bbc tv tonight's newsmaker, bbc tv legend sue cook, live in just a few minutes . plus, tomorrow's few minutes. plus, tomorrow's newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from my

top pundits, nina myskow, david oldroyd bolt, no less , and the oldroyd bolt, no less, and the brilliant linda jubilee. they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes. so look , a packed hour to come. look, a packed hour to come. those papers are on the way. but first, my take at ten. and poor old kevin keegan . the footie old kevin keegan. the footie legend, kevin keegan, certainly has a pair of balls. he's upset the woke mob by complaining about female pundits commentating on men's football. the soccer icon who played for and managed england said he had and managed england said he had a problem with an england lady footballer. provide expert analysis of a match involving the men's england side in comments reported by the times, he told guests at a football event. i don't like to listen to ladies talking about the england men's team at the match because i don't think it's the same experience i have a problem with that.

experience i have a problem with that . well, this experience i have a problem with that. well, this icon of experience i have a problem with that . well, this icon of the that. well, this icon of the men's game has been condemned for his and i quote, archaic and nonsensical and uneducated remarks . however, these days remarks. however, these days being called uneducated , being called uneducated, outdated and being ordered to go and educate yourself is double speak for you have the wrong opinions which do not fit the prescribed political narrative and you need to fix your thinking. you need to change your unwelcome, unfashionable thoughts. but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. former england striker and top pundit niall aluko dubbed keegan a dinosaur. oh dear. isn't that a dinosaur. oh dear. isn't that a bit, you know, ageist? after all, keegan is 72. to call someone a dinosaur is a direct allusion to their age. but that's okay. you're allowed offensive slurs if you're on the right side of the argument. perhaps more egregiously , aluko, perhaps more egregiously, aluko, who is a huge talent in the game i'm a big fan, told the telegraph. no one wants to hire

dinosaurs laws. so his view is really his problem. no one wants to hire dinosaurs. really his problem. no one wants to hire dinosaurs . wow, nice to hire dinosaurs. wow, nice flavour of cancel culture thrown in there . yeah. let's stop the in there. yeah. let's stop the guy earning a living for wrongthink. well come to 2023. yvonne harrison, the ceo of women in football, claimed keegan's comments were symptomatic of widespread misogyny faced by women within the game. now that may well be the game. now that may well be the case. sexism in football is real and it's appalling, but this is a deeply unfair. our interpretation of keegan's words, far be it from me to defend the guy his language about ladies and all the rest of it was was a bit clumsy, but it's quite clear what he's saying , which is that those saying, which is that those offering commentary and punditry on, for example , premier league on, for example, premier league men's football or the national game ought to be people who have played at that level, which would be check notes , former would be check notes, former premier league or england male

footballers . it cuts both ways. footballers. it cuts both ways. i don't think retired male tennis players should be commentating on top level women's tennis. john mcenroe , women's tennis. john mcenroe, for all his trophies, should not be a pundit on matches featuring emma raducanu or the williams sisters . it should be martina sisters. it should be martina navratilova or chris evert . now navratilova or chris evert. now the aforementioned yvonne harrison, a great champion of women in football fair play, has unfortunate taken the language up a level by calling this gender apartheid in football what to invoke the evil crimes of the south african regime in the 80s in which people lived drastically different lives based upon their skin colour in a debate about who sits in a tv studio is, in my view, deeply offensive and trivialises that horrific original crime. it's like virtue signalling commentators who disgracefully invoke the holocaust to win any argument on twitter . for now, argument on twitter. for now, it's my view that female broadcasters in men's football

have made a brilliant contribution and i'd like to see more. i've got no problem with alex scott presenting football focus. she replaced dan walker, who let's be honest, has never kicked a ball in his life. jacqui oatley , clare balding, jacqui oatley, clare balding, sue barker, laura woods among the best sports presenters out there. but surely the pundits on there. but surely the pundits on the sofa and in the commentary box should be ex pros from the game. they're watching. they should surely have played at that level in order to be credible . kevin keegan is credible. kevin keegan is getting slated for saying what many people think , which of many people think, which of course is the norm now in the clown world of 2023, the backlash against his comments in which he spoke highly of women's football is typical of how everything has become politicised and anyone not augned politicised and anyone not aligned to the religious or woke scripture will have all hell unleashed upon them . worth unleashed upon them. worth mentioning that the all female line up of pundits, 13 of them for the recent women's world

cup, did not feature any men. not a fella in sight. hashtag equality and the promos for the recent launch of tnt sports. again in an all female line up of stars for the men's premier league . how is that equality? league. how is that equality? surely it should work both ways . i'm so confused, so . so you . i'm so confused, so. so you can agree with him. you can disagree with him. but those attacking kevin keegan for danng attacking kevin keegan for daring to have an opinion should be shown the red card and sent down the tunnel for an early bath. this story is balls. what's your view? mark gbnews.com i'll get to your emails shortly and of course my top pundits as well . but with me top pundits as well. but with me live in the studio is olympic gymnast and tv personal lisa mason. do you think kevin keegan is out of order? >> do you know what i'm going to sit on? >> not even sit on the fence because i think he has a valid

point. however, most of the people that are supporting the sport are not professionals and they don't have a clue what's going the time, let's be going on off the time, let's be honest included. >> i'm at the spurs. >> when i'm at the spurs. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> know, if it was >> i think, you know, if it was just a i don't want to say the word commentating just a i don't want to say the word then commentating just a i don't want to say the word then i commentating just a i don't want to say the word then i could commentating just a i don't want to say the word then i could understand ating on it, then i could understand the upset. >> but these are established footballers themselves. and i still think obviously people are still think obviously people are still looking down on women's football as it is, and it's still kind of a second hand joke to people, even though to a lot of people, even though they have proved themselves multiple i think he's multiple times. and i think he's definitely of people definitely one of those people that looking down on the that is looking down on the women's is england football team. >> i mean, to be fair to kevin, you know, he did talk up women's football. he thinks it's brilliant. mean, a top brilliant. i mean, you are a top gymnast, olympic gymnast, and what i'm saying in that take it and tell me if you disagree because you know, this is you're the expert . okay. if there the expert. okay. but if there was commentary or if there were pundits watching your performance in the olympics, i would to be women would expect it to be women who have you're currently have done what you're currently doing bars. doing on the bars. >> well , actually, there are

>> well, actually, there are people that are commentating that have never done high level gymnastics in their life that currently comment on the world championships. >> so i've just happened and i mean, tennis , football, you're mean, tennis, football, you're pretty much doing the same thing. >> gymnastics is very different. >> gymnastics is very different. >> you know, the skills are very different. the equipment's very different. the equipment's very different. so it's difficult. but you do have men commenting on the women's gymnastics and vice versa. but as i said, there are people that have never even played the sport at a high level that are commentating. >> see, if i had , maybe that's >> see, if i had, maybe that's the problem. >> but you know, if i was watching tennis, i'm big fan watching tennis, i'm a big fan of i love women's of tennis. i love women's tennis. what tennis. i'd rather hear what martina has to say martina navratilova has to say about women's tennis than john mcenroe. you know that . i think mcenroe. you know that. i think you're pundit on the sport you're the pundit on the sport that you've done. i can you compare. but why can't you have both? here's a question. both? well, here's a question. let's imagine it's the champions league final. can you compare let's imagine it's manchester united versus real madrid in the

champions league final. can you compare having roy keane commentating on that game given that he participated in the champions league for manchester united versus as the england women's captain ? can you make women's captain? can you make that comment? you know, is that the same? are they comparable? >> but when roy did his when he was competing , it was many, many was competing, it was many, many years ago. >> is completely different. so you can put it hand in hand with that. interesting you know, and ijust that. interesting you know, and i just think they're both educated opinions. i don't understand why it can't we can't have them both and have different views because i think that's what makes it more interesting because. >> it. well, look , >> well, that's it. well, look, it's opinions, which it's all about opinions, which is i want to on to you is why i want to hang on to you for moment, if you would, is why i want to hang on to you for starewment, if you would, is why i want to hang on to you for stare down if you would, is why i want to hang on to you for stare down the ou would, is why i want to hang on to you for stare down the barreljld, is why i want to hang on to you for stare down the barrel of, lisa, stare down the barrel of that bring that camera because let's bring in fleet street legend nina michkov, historian david oldroyd bolt journalist linda bolt and journalist linda jubilee. what do you think about this, david? is kevin keegan a sexist dinosaur ? sexist dinosaur? >> i don't think sexist dinosaur

is a term. he's symptomatic of a view that maintained until relatively recently . and i relatively recently. and i understand your instinct to leap to his defence because you don't want a man to be taken off air for airing what is a perfectly normal and well held view among men his vintage. i see men of his vintage. i don't see why it requires you to be of either to sex comment, or rather to be a man to comment on men's sport. a woman to comment on women's sport. if it's same women's sport. if it's the same game level , then you game at the same level, then you have equally applicable have an equally applicable reason to be commentating on that. if you've played for england, have the to england, you have the right to comment way . i just don't comment either way. i just don't see the fuss is here. kevin see what the fuss is here. kevin keegan a year man keegan is a 72 year old man saying something that most 72 year old men interested in football would believe intrinsically them football would believe intri people. them football would believe intri people. it them football would believe intri people. it just them football would believe intri people. it just means them bad people. itjust means they're of their time. and i'm sure someone out there, they're of their time. and i'm sure enterprising out there, they're of their time. and i'm sure enterprising channel,3, they're of their time. and i'm sure enterprising channel, will some enterprising channel, will provide football coverage where it is only men commentating on men's games and only women. commentator on women's games. and then people who are and then those people who are most with that will most comfortable with that will have or rather have have a view or rather have a channel to go to. and then if

they want to tune it's they want to tune in where it's a and woman commentating, a man and a woman commentating, there'll other channel there'll be some other channel for should for it. the idea that it should be cancelled obviously be cancelled for it is obviously ludicrous mitigating ludicrous and anybody mitigating for that is doing so in bad faith and ought ignored. faith and ought to be ignored. but i think you slightly miss the point, if i may, that it's not about, well, men have been at this level doing it. anybody who played at an who has played at an international level is more than qualified comment on football qualified to comment on football at an international level . at an international level. >> linda, you're nodding your head because i completely agree with this. >> the one thing i think david has been now is very, very measured and very about his measured and very fair about his comment on kevin keegan. it really annoyed me, i can tell you, but that's just an emotional view, not a rational one.the emotional view, not a rational one. the fact of the matter is it doesn't, as david says, matter which sex a person is. their commenting on the game. so i don't care whether john mcenroe comments on emma raducanu and i don't care whether the woman comments on a football match. i mean, after all, when you think about it, no

one worries that dan walker was originally a sports anchor and is now a news anchor. probably i'm not completely sure about this, but probably has never beenin this, but probably has never been in a foreign correspondent in his life, for example. so i think it's about the content . do think it's about the content. do you understand the content? do you understand the content? do you understand the content? do you understand football? do you understand tennis ? do you understand tennis? do you understand tennis? do you understand news? it's about the content aren't it doesn't really matter what sex the person is. >> oh, listen , i'm outnumbered >> oh, listen, i'm outnumbered by guests tonight. what by my own guests tonight. what do you think about this, nina? >> well, the thing is, as david said , he's a man of his said, he's a man of his a generation of my generation, as it happens. and i'd. i'm wondering if he's slightly peeved because although i care nothing about football , i admire nothing about football, i admire what the lionesses have done. it might be slightly peeved that for all the money that's spent on these pampered footballers and all the fuss and hoo ha and millions of pounds and all of that, the actual the women have

actually been far more successful than the men. and i think because it's a very sexy it is a terribly sexist industry that he may have had his you know, his nose out of joint because of that. and so whinging on about women is what he's done . all right. >> fascinating. well, look, there you go . this show is all there you go. this show is all about diverse opinion. it's probably the only show on telly where all the guests disagree with the host. that's how with the host. and that's how i love but what did you think? love it. but what did you think? you the balance power . you hold the balance of power. you hold the balance of power. you jury. you you are judge and jury. do you think keegan is think that kevin keegan is a sexist dinosaur market? gb news.com sexist dinosaur market? gbnews.com lisa, thank you for coming in to see us. we'll catch up soon. coming up, fascinating conversation i'm going to be having . you that rishi having. do you think that rishi sunaks clear definition of what a is will secure him, the a woman is will secure him, the female vote at the next election? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, bbc tv legend, the one the only sue cook. she's

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>> kevin keegan, not a big fan of women being pundits in relation to men's football. is he a sexist dinosaur? well, i love this show because of you. this show belongs to you and i love the emails that you send in. it's always the highlight market. gbnews.com i have had so many emails from women saying that the following june says mark, i agree with kevin keegan. i do not like women commentating on men's football. i'm a woman. they have their games. let them deal with those. valerie says, hi mark, i'm a woman and i much prefer to hear the voice of a man commenting on male football. it doesn't feel right. it doesn't require justification to have a women , morris says. you have a women, morris says. you need to take cricket as an example. mark men and women commentate on both, i.e. you have men with women on the men's game and vice versa. get a grip, says morris. and i could go on, but how about this last one from an unnamed listening to female

commentators on men's top football matches as well as female anchors on the side of the pitch, interviewing experienced male presenters is just not right . keep those just not right. keep those emails coming. mark cbnnews.com . but it's time now for the newsmaker . and in a bid to newsmaker. and in a bid to capitalise on keir starmer's difficulties in defining what a biological woman is , rishi sunak biological woman is, rishi sunak laid it out in no uncertain terms in his conference speech on wednesday . take a listen. on wednesday. take a listen. >> we shouldn't get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be. they can't . a man is a man and a woman is a woman. that's just common sense. >> so will rishi sunak is clear, no nonsense definition of a woman . win him the female vote woman. win him the female vote at the next election . and let's at the next election. and let's get the views of tonight's newsmaker , former bbc star newsmaker, former bbc star broadcaster and journalist sue cook. sue it's crazy that we need politicians to confirm what we were taught in gcse biology, but will it help? rishi sunak at the next election ? the next election? >> well, it went down very well

in conference, didn't it? so it probably will get some votes. >> but on the other hand, it's obviously gone down very badly with the trans lobby, the very vocal trans lobby . vocal trans lobby. >> and i think, well, for me it's just a little bit transparent. >> it's a little bit i'm going to say this because think it's to say this because i think it's going votes, going to get some votes, not it's not terribly sensible it's not a terribly sensible thing say . actually. a is thing to say. actually. a man is a woman is a woman a man and a woman is a woman because are a lot of trans because there are a lot of trans women who are completely acceptable as women if they want to be women, that's fine if and vice versa . i can't see anything vice versa. i can't see anything wrong with that. the only thing is i think any individuals with male bodies and male hormones should not ever have a part in any female sports events. they shouldn't be in female wards, in hospitals . they shouldn't be hospitals. they shouldn't be going into places where where women change changing rooms. they shouldn't go into women's prisons. all that sort of thing makes total sense to me. but i think it's a bit simplistic just to stand there to try and get votes and just say a man a

votes and just say a man is a man and woman a woman. man and the woman is a woman. there's a lot more say than there's a lot more to say than just short. well, i do just sells it short. well, i do agree but don't you agree with you, but don't you think chime with the think it will chime with the female writ that sunak female electors writ that sunak can define a woman? >> and sir keir starmer cannot? well i don't think it did define a woman, did he? >> did he? he just said a man's a man. and woman is a woman. i a man. and a woman is a woman. i know lovely know a couple of really lovely trans women, very trans women's women, very talented people. one's a musician, one's a broadcaster . musician, one's a broadcaster. they. they are not militant. they. they are not militant. they feel very upset about the fact that the bad press they were getting because of the very active, the activist lobby lobby. and itjust think it's lobby. and it just think it's too simplistic for me just to say a man's a man a woman is a woman. so just to get votes . woman. so just to get votes. >> fair enough. now sue scores of much loved bbc local radio presenters are signing off for the last time as the bbc drastically reduces its local radio output, with many drastically reduces its local radio output , with many shows radio output, with many shows now simply cast and networked

across the country . some local across the country. some local radio output, for example , all radio output, for example, all just features radio five live. so sue isn't local radio 1 of the things that we pay our licence fee for ? licence fee for? >> i feel really strongly about this . just this week, two people this. just this week, two people have finally bowed out of lovely , long, long standing radio jobs. paul miller from radio solent and john gilmore from the bbc, radio lancashire both gone this week and also this week. mark sir mark thompson, who used to be the dj at the bbc. he's done a podcast with my old boss, roger bolton, also saying that he regrets the demise of local radio and that something ought to be done about it. you know, local radio is so important to people . if you've got to feel people. if you've got to feel part of a community, part of a part of a community, part of a part of a community, part of a part of your the way you live and localities are different. so if you know , you want to know

if you know, you want to know about local issues , events, about local issues, events, local weather, you need good local weather, you need good local journalism with local stories to make you feel that you're part of. you've got a relationship with your radio. really and a lot of people who haven't got very good mobility, maybe they haven't got very good sight, they or they need sight, maybe they or they need the radios, the radios are a really important companion . i'm really important companion. i'm a patron of a charity called the british wireless for the blind fund , and i know how important fund, and i know how important radio is and local radio to people who can't see very well . people who can't see very well. >> most definitely. it's company. it's also important local information about crime activities that are going on. you're so right. you mentioned paul miller, john gilmore , paul miller, john gilmore, legends of local radio broadcasting, chuck's on the scrapheap in some cases. after two, 3 or 4 decades of wonderful service . and of course, the service. and of course, the other thing, sue, is what a great breeding ground local radio is for future broadcasters. legend like yourself. so, sue, i look fonnard to catching up really soon. thank you for drawing our

attention important attention to that important story . oh my thanks there to sue story. oh my thanks there to sue cook , former bbc star, cook, former bbc star, journalist and broadcaster . journalist and broadcaster. coming up next, we've got the papers with full pundit reaction . don't go anywhere

radio. >> well, it's exactly 1030 sharp. we've got the papers on the way. but let me just shout out to miss ghana today. brilliant member of my team who spent a lot of time sweating over big opinion monologue. over the big opinion monologue. it a lot of editing. if you it took a lot of editing. if you haven't seen it, it's on twitter now at gb news. on monday, i made my alternative prime minister's speech . on wednesday, minister's speech. on wednesday, rishi sunak did his and miss ghana spent the afternoon editing the two together. so well done. her okay it's time now for this . year yes indeed. now for this. year yes indeed. tomorrow's papers the mail newspaper man no pause. madness. dozens of councils,

universities, police forces and fire services have mail menopause policies. the mail can reveal in what critics say is a further erosion of women's rights. a string of public bodies have drawn up woke protocols that insist men may also experience menopause . also experience menopause. symptoms also , deeply troubling symptoms also, deeply troubling story. we can't go into the details, but here is the headune details, but here is the headline in the mail. holly willoughby kidnapped plot suspect tried to hire a hit man in america daily express. and this is the main story. there is now a police investigation undennay, but a man charged with hit man plots to kill holly willoughby, a truly chilling and devastating headline, heartbreaking , sir. alex's tower heartbreaking, sir. alex's tower of strength wife kathy dies at 84, had a great chat with michael crick sir , alex's michael crick sir, alex's biographer, earlier tonight . she biographer, earlier tonight. she was a remarkable lady and very much the steel that underpinned sir alex ferguson's great life and great career. the sun newspaper and look, this is a

big story. stop gear, bbc axe the show after freddie horror . the show after freddie horror. bbc chiefs have axed top gear ten months after host andrew freddie flintoff's horror crash whilst filming, a source said it's been an institution on british telly, but the feeling is there's no way it can continue . is there's no way it can continue. i'll is there's no way it can continue . i'll discuss that with continue. i'll discuss that with my pundits shortly . dad of two my pundits shortly. dad of two aged 36, charged us hitman plot to murder holly willoughby . the to murder holly willoughby. the times newspaper. ani my new life as a self—help guru. also one of their columnists. i'm not rich enough to have a baby. well, many of us aren't , let me tell many of us aren't, let me tell you. nhs must modernise or die. say labour. the nhs must modernise or die. the labour party will warn tomorrow as it pledges to double the number of diagnostic scanners in hospitals is to give tens of thousands of patients faster access to life saving treatment. wes streeting the shadow health secretary, said his party would save the health service from an

existential crisis that had left people unable to rely on it in emergencies . pru life my husband emergencies. pru life my husband wishes he'd married mary berry. well, don't we all? daily telegraph . this is a shocking telegraph. this is a shocking story, actually. let's just change gears slightly for a moment. rapists wrongly labelled as women by police. police have wrongly labelled hundreds of suspected rapists as women. the daily telegraph can reveal, despite the secretary despite the home secretary saying not so . saying they should not do so. figures obtained the figures obtained under the freedom of information act show for the first time, the scale of police adopts the self—declared gender of alleged sex attackers . over the past four years, police forces have referred 260 females to the crown. prosecute service to consider a charge of rape. i can't believe i'm saying those words out loud. plot to kidnap and kill. holly willoughby is in the daily telegraph as well. boy excuse me. body of boy aged ten, found

as missiles hit kharkiv in ukraine. metro bank calls for calm after share crash and cold symptoms can linger just like covid long colds may exist and are just as common as long covid. well, there's a surprise as daily mirror accused in the doc hit man from us was to kill holly willoughby , security holly willoughby, security guard, plotted to murder tv star. court is told those are your front pages. let's get full pundit reaction now. i'm delighted to be joined by fleet street legend nina michkov, historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt, and journalist and broadcaster, star of the hit podcast the commons sense podcast. linda jubilee. folks, lots of stories to get through . we are not able to get through. we are not able to get through. we are not able to speak in any detail about this devastating story about holly willoughby, so let's move straight on and can we go to the nhs? david? it must modernise or

die. say labour. is keir starmer, the man to rescue our national health service? >> well, i've long held it as a truism of british politics that it is only the labour party that will ever have any possibility of reforming the nhs because it is only the labour party that will be trusted to do so. whether that is true or not, or whether is correct or not, whether that is correct or not, i should hope, deeply hope that keir starmer is serious about this and it's not simply a way to get more votes from the people because nhs is people because the nhs is crumbling around us and if the people seem as they are in every poll wedded to this idea of a nationalised health service, free at the point of use, regardless of people's lifestyle choices, must choices, then i suppose it must be labour that does it. i would much rather that people woke up and saw that this is a failed model cannot possibly and saw that this is a failed model in cannot possibly and saw that this is a failed model in the|not possibly and saw that this is a failed model in the 21st possibly and saw that this is a failed model in the 21st century, succeed in the 21st century, that every other health system in europe gives better clinical outcomes that we are killing outcomes and that we are killing ourselves because this public ourselves because of this public ness. but as that seems unlikely to to be to happen, it's got to be starmer . starmer. >> david's exactly right that

the problem is the national health service was developed and set up when people retired at 60 and died at 65. now it's not that the model is bad , it's just that the model is bad, it's just that the model is bad, it's just that society has changed aged and now people retire at 60 and they live to 85, 1992. and that's the pressure on the nhs and tinkering around the edges, whether you're installing more scanning equipment, whether you're getting kids to be supervised , brushing their teeth supervised, brushing their teeth to reduce the stress on the nhs. none of these things are going to actually work and to properly address it in a wholesale, systematic way . systematic way. >> and it ain't about money, is it? well it is about money. >> it's always about we can't put more money into the nhs. >> surely about money. >> surely it's not about money. >> surely it's not about money. >> about the model. >> it's about the model. >> it's about the model. >> money important though, >> money is important though, because need money to pay because you need money to pay the doctors, the consultants beyond 180 billion, which it currently is. well, labour is promising to spend 177 £170 million a year over the next

parliament on new mri and ct scanners because he reckons that that early diagnosis , as we all that early diagnosis, as we all know, is and where streeting is backed this up by saying that he himself got early diagnosis for his kidney cancer. you himself got early diagnosis for his kidney cancer . you know, the his kidney cancer. you know, the shadow health secretary. so you know, people people know this, but i check to this idea that we put more money in david, because it's a money pit to do what you reorganise it, you have to reorganise it, you have to reorganise government after government after government of both stripes has tried reorganisation. >> you can only reorganise the deckchairs on the titanic so much before realising that the sliding deck because sliding down the deck because the is about to go into the thing is about to go into the thing is about to go into the atlantic. the thing is about to go into the i itlantic. the thing is about to go into the i itlantto the thing is about to go into theiitlantto be the thing is about to go into the i itlantto be controversial, >> i hate to be controversial, but maybe start some but maybe we could start some charging and get some revenue in that way . that way. >> but that means that my viewers listeners will pay viewers and listeners will pay twice. that's not either. twice. that's not fair either. >> they rather >> but would they rather pay once health that once for a health service that works, is a mixed model, works, which is a mixed model, which everywhere else in which is what everywhere else in europe the world europe and most of the world does? they rather does? or would they rather continuing to pay as they are now taxes get

now through their taxes and get a service because a substandard service because that is so a substandard service because that and is so a substandard service because that and is is so a substandard service because that and is so is so a substandard service because that and is so lifeis so a substandard service because that and is so life and stark and it is so life and death that we need to stop pussyfooting around issue death that we need to stop pusspretendingjund issue death that we need to stop pusspretending that issue death that we need to stop pusspretending that there isue death that we need to stop pusspretending that there is e and pretending that there is some way through reorganisation , refunding retraining that , refunding or retraining that this model can survive. , refunding or retraining that thispeople can survive. , refunding or retraining that thispeople do1 survive. , refunding or retraining that thispeople do notrvive. , refunding or retraining that thispeople do not want that >> people do not want that private health care coming in via american companies. >> but it's not just a choice between america and britain. that's a false dichotomy. >> but but but there is but >> but no, but but there is but but that that the danger, but that is that is the danger, isn't but that is that is the danger, isn'overcome the >> overcome this fear of the private sector. if they make health care cheaper, why not? >> they are in it >> well, because they are in it to money and consequently to make money and consequently they want better outcomes , not they want better outcomes, not in make people live longer in it to make people live longer or make people's lives healthier or make people's lives healthier or better . they are there. it is or better. they are there. it is putting profit before people, but there's and that's what's wrong with this country. >> there's plenty of other don't wrong with this country. >> tia re's plenty of other don't wrong with this country. >> tia crisislenty of other don't wrong with this country. >> tia crisis .enty of other don't have a crisis. >> we don't we don't have a crisis of finance. we have a crisis of finance. we have a crisis of finance. we have a crisis of greed because have crisis of finance. we have a crfinancejreed because have crisis of finance. we have a crfinance jree crisis. iuse have a finance of crisis. >> financing crisis. >> i'm so of course we have that. but actually, if you reposition and call it reposition it and call it a crisis because last crisis of greed because the last 13 we have been subjected 13 years, we have been subjected to greed from a tory government

which has put profits before unprecedented spending in the nhs. >> and it's not making us any more. well, linda, because it's not about the spending on the nhs , it's about devising a new model. >> and there's plenty of health services all over the world. it's not just america that have different models that do work very successfully , and maybe we very successfully, and maybe we should be taking a look at those. >> germany as well, of course, it's a private insurance scheme in which in which those businesses are forced to provide insurance for those on the lowest income. japan and how it handles its elderly population . handles its elderly population. >> that's worth very good instance . instance. >> kate, can i ask you , >> well, kate, can i ask you, nina, is there such a thing as a female rapist? >> well , there has been in the >> well, there has been in the past, actually . past, actually. >> you would you would be referring a very exotic case back in the 70s or 80s, and that would be a biological woman that was accused of rape, raping a man. >> yes, absolutely . >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> what it was it was it was. it was it was it was one of those

tabloid headlines. and i can't remember, but it was it was one of those very there are examples that sometimes attack that women sometimes will attack a . a man. >> actually, i do remember >> and actually, i do remember a couple that ilk. couple of stories of that ilk. but about what this but what about this what this story this, story what about this, nina? what the police officials what about the police officials really notifying labelling biological males who have been accused of rape as women ? does accused of rape as women? does that wash with you? >> no , it doesn't actually. it >> no, it doesn't actually. it really doesn't . you know , this really doesn't. you know, this is this is this is just nonsense, basically, because , nonsense, basically, because, you know, women women are oh, look, whatever you call it, whoever is the perpetrator , the whoever is the perpetrator, the women are the ones who suffer . women are the ones who suffer. we are the ones who are the victims. yes. correct. and i think we should be able to say who are perpetrators and who the rapists are. how have they even made this mistake? >> i can't really get my head. well, i don't think it's a mistake. >> i think it's politics. and i just wonder, linda, whether this is on all women. every is a slander on all women. every time a headline that time you read a headline that says arrested after

says woman arrested after attacking someone in the park , attacking someone in the park, you know of a sexual nature , you know of a sexual nature, it's not a woman. and it's a lie that it is. >> you mean you've got to rape an alleged rapist? they go into prison. they take these prison. they take all these statements , and the rapist, who statements, and the rapist, who is biologically a man, says, i'm not a man, i'm a woman. and they're they're logged as a woman forms and they're logged as a woman. they logged as a woman. the story, isn't it? >> yeah, that's exactly right. figures obtained under the freedom show freedom of information act show for the scale of for the first time, the scale of police ing police adopt ing the self—declared of alleged self—declared gender of alleged sex attackers . over the past sex attackers. over the past four years, police forces have referred 260 so—called female calls to the crown prosecution service to be considered for rape. >> you know, i think i think they should abandon that and start getting more convictions for rape. that's what the police need to do. correct. >> it's because it's what, under 3? >> it's 2 or 3. >> it's 2 or 3. >> david, i think that all of womankind could come together and collectively sue anybody that refers to a rapist as a

woman that's a biological male because it is a slander on womankind, isn't it? >> i think this is why the one bit of the prime minister's speech at the conference that was worth having and was actually worth having and heanng was actually worth having and hearing his insistence that a hearing is his insistence that a woman biologically is a woman and a man biologically is a man because is the whole nonsense. would cease if we simply averred that biological truism. >> but but you can't you can't. >> but but you can't you can't. >> you cannot just say it is black and white. it is not like that. it's not black and white. it's not black and white. there are areas of grey and people must feel comfortable in their own bodies and living their genuine lives that they want to live . live. >> because i'm sorry, i disagree. it is excess disagree. it is that excess of compassion led us to compassion that has led us to a situation where you can have the kind much i'm sorry , you kind of too much i'm sorry, you can't because is why you can't because this is why you end people. men in men end up with people. men in men in female prisons attacking female prisoners because hating them. because they. and it is that compassion which is perfectly well placed. but or

rather perfectly well intended but misplaced, that has led to that situation in i understand it, but i think it is where it takes us. >> but it's actually very clear if someone genuinely of a if someone is genuinely of a confused gender, like the young woman we had on the programme several weeks ago when i was in and were she was and we were talking, she was born with very tiny sort of split penis, if i can correct it. born a male is hidden inside her body. the surgeons made a decision to make her castrate her and make her oh, i her and make her feel, oh, i know the was horrific. and know the case was horrific. and there's lots it's there's and there's lots of it's called collateral exstrophy, i think. happens. that think. and that happens. that does happen. and it also only minutely, exceptionally minute. but not minute. the but not so minute. and the number people that are number of people that are genuinely born in the wrong bodies like bodies and they feel like they're born wrong bodies they're born in the wrong bodies and they go through therapy, they're born in the wrong bodies and �*goy go through therapy, they're born in the wrong bodies and �*go througthgh therapy, they're born in the wrong bodies and �*go through hormonerpy, they go through hormone treatment, they go through surgery, i think they can call themselves female if they've gone far. gone that far. >> absolutely. you as >> absolutely. well, you as women right than i. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but my view is that the epidemic of men calling themselves women for political and criminal is and criminal purposes is a result of this.

>> i agree with you that that is wrong. >> i don't think it's an epidemic. i don't think we need to think having >> do you think we'd be having this discussion 15 years ago or would we look fonnard and think this have this is utter lunacy? how have we reached this stage? the numbers in that telegraph piece are they're are truly disgusting and they're only going to grow. >> nina well, not necessarily. >> nina well, not necessarily. >> necessarily. >> not necessarily. >> not necessarily. >> not necessarily. >> not if we decide that that cannot happen anymore. >> it's not for you dictate >> it's not for you to dictate what people what a human being perceives themselves to be and how they want to live their life. no, but it's for society to say that in the majority of cases, true or we cases, this is true or we abandon objective reality transition can change sex. >> there are such infinitesimally small numbers taken as a whole of the population that, linda population that, as linda said, those must be taken into account. self—identify account. but self—identify education is not that way . education is not that way. >> but then why, if it's such a small number, why are you worried about it? >> because that is not the number we're talking the number we're talking about. the number we're talking about. the number here number we're talking about here is those self—identify is those who self—identify because grip because we've abandoned a grip of truth and reality of objective truth and reality and to and allowed people to self—identify. that is clearly

what has occurred for policing. who else is to make who else, who else is to make that decision? who else, who else is to make tha it'scision? who else, who else is to make tha it's such|? who else, who else is to make tha it's such an extraordinary >> it's such an extraordinary story. and i think we should concentrate on is maybe identifying misogyny in their own ranks. >> no doubt. no doubt. what do you think about folks? you think about this, folks? mark at gb news.com , can a mark at gb news.com, can a biological male be called a woman rapist? is there such a thing as a woman rapist? if you're referring to an intact biological man , let me know your biological man, let me know your thoughts. also we've been conducting a mark dolan tonight people's poll is kevin keegan right that only men should commentate on men's football? the results are in. that's next. plus, my pundits will be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes. plus more front pages. all of

n ext next well, thank you to dominique for firing up the mark dolan tonight people's poll. we've got the results they are in. is kevin keegan right that only men should commentate on men's

football? well . 72.5% say yes. football? well. 72.5% say yes. and 27.5% say no , no. so the and 27.5% say no, no. so the pubuc and 27.5% say no, no. so the public back keegan and linda jubilees mouth has dropped to the floor. she can't believe it . oh, let's get full reaction to the big stories of the day. fleet street legend nina michkov. got oldroyd michkov. we've got david oldroyd bolt , top historian and bolt, top historian and broadcaster and journalist linda jubilee . when you are ready, jubilee. when you are ready, folks , let's have a look at the folks, let's have a look at the star.i folks, let's have a look at the star. i don't know if it's up yet, but if not, we'll go to it shortly. there it is. well shortly. oh, there it is. well done as if by done. look at that. as if by magic heartache for sir alex as beloved wife cathy dies, fergie's agony. sir alex ferguson is in mourning after his wife of 57 years died at the age of 80. for the ex—man united boss described lady cathy as his bedrock of stability . and you bedrock of stability. and you just have to say, don't you , just have to say, don't you, linda? paul, sir alex on his own at home tonight. this woman was his life. >> i know. and you and i were talking earlier about the beckham documentary which launched on netflix.

launched this week on netflix. i've watched got everyone talking. it's fantastic. i think. but what's really clear , think. but what's really clear, it spends a lot of time with sir alex ferguson. it's got some excellent interviews with him. alex ferguson. it's got some excellereallyzrviews with him. alex ferguson. it's got some excelle really hiszws with him. alex ferguson. it's got some excelle really his whole:h him. alex ferguson. it's got some excelle really his whole life m. alex ferguson. it's got some excelle really his whole life ?. is this really his whole life? is this really his whole life? is football and family and what is football and family and what i can say about his view of football that manchester i can say about his view of footbalwasthat manchester i can say about his view of footbalwas aat manchester i can say about his view of footbalwas a family:hester i can say about his view of footbalwas a family andter i can say about his view of footbalwas a family and he kept united was a family and he kept everyone together . and so this everyone together. and so this loss will be enormous to him because as michael crick said earlier in the programme , he earlier in the programme, he valued his wife so much for holding everything together and he tried to instil this in the players as well. and it points out that he was actually against beckham's marriage to victoria because he worried that their marriage wouldn't have the kind of strength and durability that his own has. he's been proved wrong about that, but it must be a tremendous loss him. a tremendous loss to him. >> tough , nina, to move >> really tough, nina, to move on from your partner of 57 years, where do you go from there? >> how how can you begin to imagine? because that's his whole adult life. that's his whole adult life. that's his whole adult life . and they met whole adult life. and they met as teenagers. how early as teenagers. that's how early it yeah. and the thing is,

it goes. yeah. and the thing is, she strong glaswegian she was a strong glaswegian woman, you know, glasgow woman, you know, and glasgow women are strong. i mean, richard branson's mother know , richard branson's mother know, his wife, joan is the only woman he's terrified of. >> oh , that would do it. >> oh, that would do it. >> oh, that would do it. >> nina, can i ask you about this big showbiz story ? and this big showbiz story? and you've covered, of course , the you've covered, of course, the journalistic showbiz brief for many years. stop gear, bbc top gear after freddie flintoff crash horror. this is a big story. i mean, this is one of the most valuable franchises in british tv, isn't it? >> well , it survived the, you >> well, it survived the, you know , the clarkson affair and know, the clarkson affair and going. so it's been going and going. so it's been going and going and going and going. and this was a horrific crash. i saw a photograph recently of the actual it looked dreadful. i interviewed freddie last year, just about just over a year ago for the times, just before it happened. for the times, just before it happened . no, no, no, because it happened. no, no, no, because it happened. no, no, no, because it happened last december . so happened last december. so i interviewed perhaps about interviewed him perhaps about may something that. may or something like that. he was presenting an itv was he was presenting an itv sports contest programme . um,

sports contest programme. um, and he was absolutely delightful. i mean, what a what a warm hearted, lovely man . a warm hearted, lovely man. smart. very funny, very self—deprecating . had conquered self—deprecating. had conquered his demons . the alcohol self—deprecating. had conquered his demons. the alcohol and drugs all of that, conquered all of that. and come out the other side and was is such a mentor to two young cricketers as and he made that terrific programme and it seems so tragic . and you it seems so tragic. and you seriously you look at the photograph of him and you think, god, it's such a handsome guy and he's still handsome. but how hard must it be for him? who is, you know, physically very , very you know, physically very, very fit. i said to him, you look, how fit are you? he said, oh god, he said, i've got i've got i'm aching here, i'm aching there, this, i've there, i've broken this, i've broken years. but broken that down the years. but you here i am, more power you know, here i am, more power to him. >> i've worked with him. and to him. >> i'vnright, ed with him. and to him. >> i'vnright, he'sith him. and to him. >> i'vn right, he'sith absolute you're right, he's an absolute gentleman. i wish him a speedy recovery. it seems recovery. and it seems appropriate top gear to stop appropriate for top gear to stop

nina and david and linda. let's power through your headline heroes and back page zeroes. so briefly, you can, nina, who's briefly, if you can, nina, who's your headline? hero? my hero is naomi campbell. >> bizarrely, she's just been announced as the subject of a major exhibition next year at the v&a. yes, she was, you know, all diva moments from the all her diva moments from the past. forget that this is a woman who really has achieved an awful first awful lot. she was the first black to the cover of black woman to on the cover of vogue. she's gone through racism. gone through racism. she's gone through everything she everything else. and there she still she even put up with >> and she even put up with robert de niro few months. robert de niro for a few months. and one can survive and almost no one can survive that. briefly , if you that. david, briefly, if you can, your headline hero, my headune can, your headline hero, my headline is sir nicholas headline hero is sir nicholas coleridge, just been coleridge, who's just been appointed and appointed provost of eton and he's because today he gave an interview in the telegraph in which resurrected the great which he resurrected the great british mickey , taking in british art of mickey, taking in the manner by the most phenomenal manner by saying that he couldn't possibly understand why anybody who hadn't to eton hadn't gone, hadn't been to eton hadn't gone, and that of his ten and that eight out of his ten best were. best friends were. >> and it has annoyed exactly the people. it's punctured >> and it has annoyed exactly the horribleople. it's punctured >> and it has annoyed exactly the horrible earnestness1ctured >> and it has annoyed exactly the horrible earnestness oered the horrible earnestness of pubuc the horrible earnestness of public country. it public life in this country. it made a lot people laugh who

made a lot of people laugh who got and annoyed got the joke. and it's annoyed all couldn't get all the people who couldn't get it. well done, nick. >> zone from from >> the irony free zone from from all woke lefties . yes, all of those woke lefties. yes, linda, your headline hero, narges mohammadi , who was today narges mohammadi, who was today awarded the nobel peace prize for her role in supporting women , oppressed women in iran. >> she's been in prison for ten years. and at one stage, she was sentenced to 154 lashes for the kind of thing she did. i can't think of any woman at the moment who has shown more courage. >> okay. and i hope that that keeps her safe. >> they can't get rid of her, surely? well with with the eyes of the world upon her. now, now, let me tell you that the back page zeros are in the nominations. >> are there . and we've got . >> are there. and we've got. let's have a look suella braverman from nina and rishi sunak from david. last but not least , sunak from david. last but not least, mike sunak from david. last but not least , mike jeffries, your sunak from david. last but not least, mike jeffries, your back page zero. who is he and why he is the former ceo of abercrombie and fitch, and he is allegedly

the person that organised corporate properties where young men , young male models were men, young male models were pimped around . pimped around. >> and i say allegedly because i know we've got to be careful about this, but the fact the about this, but the fact of the matter these goings on matter that all these goings on at events , you know, at corporate events, you know, and there there have been many i've known about many in the past that come to the past that don't come to the pubuc past that don't come to the public think public attention. i think they've stop. they've all got to stop. >> amazing stuff. well, that's a good their >> amazing stuff. well, that's a good shirts their >> amazing stuff. well, that's a good shirts are their >> amazing stuff. well, that's a good shirts are way their >> amazing stuff. well, that's a good shirts are way overpriced. polo shirts are way overpriced. can i thank nina, david and linda brilliant pundits tonight. please come back soon. most importantly, you for your company headliners is back next. and i'll see you at nine. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided met office. this provided by the met office. this weekend is going to be one of contrast across the uk. high pressure charge across the pressure is in charge across the south, importing north south, importing heat from north africa and iberia. really south, importing heat from north africa averyneria. really south, importing heat from north africa avery warm leally south, importing heat from north africa avery warm for.ly south, importing heat from north africa avery warm for the time turning very warm for the time of but this trailing of year. but this trailing frontal system across scotland is going be providing much is going to be providing much wetter conditions. it will eventually clear off parts of northern northern northern ireland, northern england evening northern ireland, northern eng|then evening northern ireland, northern eng|then across evening

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by good evening. >> i'm tatiana sanchez. this is the latest from the newsroom. a man has been remanded in custody over an alleged plot to kidnap and kill tv presenter holly willoughby . gavin plum, a willoughby. gavin plum, a shopping centre security guard, is charged with solicitor a man to carry out the crimes . the to carry out the crimes. the star pulled out of hosting itv's this morning after bosses were reported alerted to the possible threat . it's understood she's threat. it's understood she's been given round the clock security and support court. labour's describing its rutherglen and hamilton west by—election win as a seismic victory . michael shanks took the victory. michael shanks took the seat with 58% of the vote. that's more than double that of the snp's katie loudon . labour the snp's katie loudon. labour leader sir keir starmer says scotland is key to securing a majority at the next general election . former first minister

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