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usual. and we also welcome back the self—titled wokeist man in great britain , benjamin great britain, benjamin buttennorth. and our special guest tonight is definitely not the wokeist man in britain. hello. leo kearse . hello. leo kearse. >> hello. he's definitely not now , as usual, in the first hour now, as usual, in the first hour tonight, each of us gets about a minute to outline our argument about whatever our chosen topic is. >> then the rest of us tell them what utter rubbish they're talking. then we've got lots more fun in the second hour, including the five of us revealing our very, very unpopular opinions . and we've unpopular opinions. and we've got new for lummox, got a new feature for lummox, the five. yes. our producer came up with that one. and as well as your views on all of our topics tonight, we also want your questions, will all be questions, which will all be read and on filtered read out live and on filtered later on show. on later on the show. later on in the show . now, do you want to the show. now, do you want to know if albie amankona his middle also starts with an middle name also starts with an a? does darren grimes think about other than about anything other than immigration and the bbc and has benjamin buttennorth ever offered a sensible opinion? you can ask us anything, however
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outrageous. do get in touch with us emailing gbviews@gbnews.com. we'll get to the best, but before we start tearing each other apart and before we get into all our new features, it is time for your saturday night news with ray addison . news with ray addison. >> thanks, emily, and good evening. our top story tonight , evening. our top story tonight, nearly 200 palestinians and at least 200 israelis have been killed with more than 1100 injured. this after the hamas terrorist organisation launched a surprise attack on israel . for a surprise attack on israel. for those of you watching on tv can see live footage now of the gaza skyline after thousands of rockets were fired and gunmen crossed the border in a deadly assault. local news reporting that civilians in border towns barricade themselves in their homes and were pleading for help. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places, including tunnels. israel's energy minister said they would cut off
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the energy supply to gaza for an secretary. james cleverly says the uk will not tolerate terrorism. >> the uk completely condemns these terrorist acts against israel and we support israel's right to self—defence. and of course we will be working closely with the israeli government. we're already contacting with them and we'll continue to do so both to protect british nationals in israel and to try and bring peace as quickly as possible . peace as quickly as possible. >> well , dozens of hamas >> well, dozens of hamas terrorists have been stopped by israeli naval personnel, according to israel's defence forces. a warning for those of you watching on tv, you may find the following footage distressing . now, earlier on distressing. now, earlier on this morning, the idf pursued dozens of terrorists along the southern maritime area as they tried to enter israeli territory via the water. soldiers opened fire on the militants successfully destroying four vessels. hamas terrorists were also stopped as they tried to
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cross into israel along the southern border . well, back southern border. well, back here, 260 suspected rapist have been labelled as females by police over the last four years. that's according to data from the crown prosecution service, which was obtained by the daily telegraph. the classification comes despite the home secretary urging police not to label rape suspects as women as by law it can only be committed by a biological male. the figures show a further 209 suspects were recorded with sex unknown . and recorded with sex unknown. and finally , the british film finally, the british film director, terence davies has died aged 77, following a short illness. he came to prominence in the 1970s and 80s with a string of successful films, including distant voices and still lives. much of his work was drawn from his own experiences growing up as a working class boy in liverpool. more recently, he wrote and directed a quiet passion in which he dramatised the life of
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american poet emily dickinson . american poet emily dickinson. in this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to the . saturday five. >> thanks ray. it's saturday night and you are with the saturday five tonight. i'm emily carver . it's been pretty hot carver. it's been pretty hot outside today and things are about to get similarly heated in here as we debate some of the biggest topics of the week. and some might have missed. some that you might have missed. so let's crack with tonight's so let's crack on with tonight's first hot topic. now then, darren is going to tell us why he is distinctly unimpressed by the bbc's new jimmy savile drama. yes it's grim time indeed i >> we'll go back to 2012. first of all, the year that the bbc decided to throw its own integrity under the bus faster than you can say, like fee robbery. shortly after glowing eulogies for jimmy savile, the
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bbc's powerful presenter , pedoe bbc's powerful presenter, pedoe swiftly followed by a domino effect of resignations and accusations. the kicker , though, accusations. the kicker, though, was that newsnight had the ammo it needed for a savile expose, an expose that would have been the journalistic equivalent of a nuclear bomb . but what happened? nuclear bomb. but what happened? well, the bbc chickened out faster than a vegan at a butcher shop. faster than a vegan at a butcher shop . now here we are with the shop. now here we are with the beeb, serving us a helpline of historical revisionism. star and steve coogan, no less , as the steve coogan, no less, as the monster himself . a fascinating monster himself. a fascinating choice, but hey , where's the choice, but hey, where's the missing chapter ? beeb where's missing chapter? beeb where's the newsnight probe that got shelved like last year's christmas decorations ? they'd christmas decorations? they'd rather do the cha cha with their own shame than admit that they let a predator off the hook. could you imagine being one of those poor souls who'd bared their agony to newsnight's investigators, only to be told, i'm sorry, love, but we've decided not to go ahead with the piece. would you like a cuppa?
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talk about adding salt to an already festering wound. former tory bigwig iain duncan smith has rightly insisted that if the bbc is going to revisit this cesspool , it should be an cesspool, it should be an unfiltered plunge, showing a whole new generation how awful it was by spilling, these are his words, the true story and i say here, here too, that if anti beeb's going to give us a rerun of this tawdry tale, it's high time that they own up to their partner. it no more sugar coating , no partner. it no more sugar coating, no more partner. it no more sugar coating , no more convenient coating, no more convenient omissions , and certainly no more omissions, and certainly no more pretending that they're the moral compass of the nation. so bbc, if you're going to make us relive the savile years all over again , then don't dare edit out again, then don't dare edit out your own incompetence and moral failure. we're all footing the bill for this soap opera , so at bill for this soap opera, so at least the very least that you can do is give us the director's
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cut. the ugly, the uglier, and the downright grotesque . now, the downright grotesque. now, benjamin buttennorth , i know benjamin buttennorth, i know you're all for this documentary . you were very pleased with the bbc for doing it, for one. but surely even you can recommend and recommend lies that your beloved, beloved bbc has got it wrong here by not showing that the fact that newsnight had it rare and ready to go. >> i mean, look, this starts on monday night and we'll see exactly what they do reveal. i'm sure that given that he worked at the bbc for decades, his bbc career and the bbc behaviour is a big part of the story line because that's unavoidable. and i know the papers have said that this is a very well done drama, those who have seen it already, but the idea that you could say that that was the only mistake when charles friends when prince charles was friends with margaret thatcher was with him, margaret thatcher was said one of his biggest said to be one of his biggest fans. letters fans. and you have letters between both those people between both of those people adonng between both of those people adoring savile. it was the adoring jimmy savile. it was the institutions that protected jimmy savile and protect did his
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evil. louis theroux , who made evil. louis theroux, who made a bbc documentary, got closer than anybody else. and that was aired in the noughties. and he's spoken about his regret about being hoodwinked out of it. but ijust being hoodwinked out of it. but i just quickly make one other point that there will be a lot of people watching who of people watching this who think that because behaviour think that because his behaviour was that was clearly so abhorrent that they make a drama and they shouldn't make a drama and that would be a mistake. by that argument, have argument, we would never have extraordinary films like schindler's . i think schindler's list. i think showing and how it was showing the evil and how it was made possible is a way to try and stop these things happening in future. >> well, i mean, leo, i don't think anyone watching this bbc drama on jimmy savile, who potentially may have been a, is going to watch it and think, well, i'm not going to be a anymore. in the same way that watching schindler's list, you wouldn't think, well, can't wouldn't think, well, we can't make mistakes of the past. >> sorry, i don't think anyone thought i'm going to be a jew murdering and then watch schindler's change schindler's list and change their point is that their mind. the point is that you to not make you see, to not make the mistakes the no one's mistakes of the past, no one's going watch the bbc be going to watch the bbc and be
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like, oh, well, actually i won't be a anymore. >> dory happy days. jimmy >> hunky dory happy days. jimmy savile they might see ways in >> but they might see ways in which could prevented, but which it could be prevented, but i that we already know i don't see that we already know the up and the the full cover up and the protection of, of man. but protection of, of the man. but as i said, they're not as i just said, they're not they're not airing completely with . i completely agree with you. i completely agree with you. i completely agree with bbc should with you that the bbc should very be shining light on very much be shining a light on their failings when it comes their own failings when it comes to savile. like when their own failings when it comes to have savile. like when their own failings when it comes to have othere. like when their own failings when it comes to have other broadcasters1en their own failings when it comes to have other broadcasters that you have other broadcasters that have similar things going on, they should also too. i think that's fair enough to say . they should also too. i think that's fair enough to say. but we have to see the we will have to see the documents itself, the series, the drama series, sorry. >> i think we've also got to remember jimmy may remember that jimmy savile may have some terrible things, have done some terrible things, but of best but he made some of the best saturday night tv that has ever been on british terrestrial broadcasting . and i think we broadcasting. and i think we have to we have to remember that. so it was it was it was you cannot miss a jim'll fix it know my mother my mother told me that she used to write in every week asking jim to fix it. >> and do you know what i thank god that he never did, frankly.
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but it just showed the cultural phenomenon that he was. i was very that leo has come dressed as a 1970s entertainer . as a 1970s entertainer. >> for those listening on radio benjamins come dressed as one of the victims, i've come as a cabbie, actually, leo got it. >> so good to have you two back together, going for each other. but on jimmy savile, i think i'm actually with both emily and ben on one. darren i do think on this one. darren i do think it's right that the has it's right that the bbc has made this a drama. i know there this into a drama. i know there was some controversy about whether or not should be whether or not it should be a drama a document tree, and drama or a document tree, and i wasn't sure about it. but but after giving it some thought, i think there's just something about which allow about drama us which allow people understand exactly about drama us which allow peop|happened 'stand exactly about drama us which allow peop|happened'standthan tly what happened more than documents. and actually, there are be some scenes in are meant to be some scenes in this documentary which are pretty actually. pretty awful to watch, actually. and things that and they're not things that people normally see. and i think it sometimes it is important sometimes to be able dramatise that so people able to dramatise that so people actually understand the hardship that people went accurate. >> do you think should is a >> do you think it should is a drama series, not a documentary? do you think there should
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therefore be creative licence? or when it comes to something as important as this and what jimmy savile, the crimes that he committed , do you think that it committed, do you think that it should they should stick to exactly what happened ? because exactly what happened? because people often talk about this when there's royal drama. yeah. >> like the crown. yeah. >> like the crown. yeah. >> about licence. >> they talk about licence. yeah. of creative yeah. what level of creative licence is there? >> , i think ultimately with >> look, i think ultimately with any drama, there's going to be some licence some creative licence because it's creative process. it's a creative process. when you something . and you make something. and of course only people course the only people that actually know exactly what happened jimmy happened might have been jimmy savile people who were savile and the people who were involved. there will some involved. so there will be some level licence and level of dramatic licence and that allowed, but it that should be allowed, but it should something which is should not be something which is a . we should be a total fantasy. we should be trying the facts and trying to stick to the facts and making it as realistic as possible being possible without it being inappropriate for bbc. >> bbc has got a pretty good >> the bbc has got a pretty good track this with track record of doing this with dramas like with three girls, which dealt with the which which dealt with the grooming issue. they grooming gang issue. so they dealt sensitively but dealt with that sensitively but also shy away from some also didn't shy away from some of the worst crimes of the worst at the worst crimes that they committed. >> darren, do you actually >> and darren, do you actually think they shouldn't be
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think that they shouldn't be doing this, this at all? doing this, this drama at all? >> i'm on fence that. >> i'm on the fence about that. i do think there's something to be about the bbc marking be said about the bbc marking its failures here. its own past failures here. yeah, and actually, perhaps it would have been better for a different broadcast master to have produced something like this. personally, i don't think i'm going to be able to watch it because i find whole because i just find the whole tale. utterly gruesome and tale. so utterly gruesome and the there was so much the fact that there was so much establishment collusion and turning a blind what this turning a blind eye to what this man did, but maybe that's why we should be glad that that this drama has made. drama has been made. >> and actually, think it >> and actually, i think it speaks about the bbc speaks volumes about the bbc that to that they've been willing to take on. that they've been willing to taknbuton. that they've been willing to taknbut benjamin, i mean, after >> but benjamin, i mean, after there was briefly there's an incident on gb news where somebody something somebody said something inappropriate about a woman. people bbc were calling people on the bbc were calling for gb news actually be shut for gb news to actually be shut down. why is the bbc not down. why why is the bbc not calling for itself to be shut down? mean, what jimmy savile down? i mean, what jimmy savile did you know, forgive me, did is, you know, forgive me, but slightly worse. >> well, there'll be lots of views coming and fast views coming in thick and fast on email about that one. but we're to go to albie now
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we're going to go to albie now because albie is going to be asking why minority right wing voters for bigotry. take voters suffer for bigotry. take it away, albie . it away, albie. >> bigotry is never acceptable . >> bigotry is never acceptable. well, except if you are a right wing ethnic minority or indeed religious minority or lgbt. q if you are gay and black, well , you you are gay and black, well, you must be self—hating or confused or a labour mp like rupert. hark will say that you're not really black gay and right wing. you're a self—hating transphobe or if you're a hindu and right wing and you don't believe in open borders, the guardian will draw a caricature sure of you, of a of a cow, which is a sacred animal in the hindu faith. now i believe that bigotry and discrimination are unacceptable . all but it's very clear from information that i find found out at the conservative party conference earlier on this week that that is not the opinion of many on the left, far from it. in fact, i was told many stories
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about conservative party members who were discriminate against in manchester just for being conservatives . i heard a story conservatives. i heard a story about a young gay man who was ambushed at 3:00 in the morning by a group of five. he was told that he was tories scum and that he should go and f himself off. thanks for that, angela rayner i was told about a group of gay conservatives who were out in the village who were the gay village who were enjoying a drink, quietly getting their own getting on with their own business, then he were getting on with their own businesout then he were getting on with their own businesout of then he were getting on with their own businesout of the bar�* were getting on with their own businesout of the bar juste getting on with their own businesout of the bar just for thrown out of the bar just for being conservatives, though it has to my attention has been brought to my attention that a drink may have been thrown as the as the group of people were being thrown out. some might, some might say good on them . the simple fact of the on them. the simple fact of the matter is bigotry and discrimination are not acceptable. so why is it that left wingers want people like me to submit to the woke dogma ? i'm to submit to the woke dogma? i'm not going anywhere . and to those not going anywhere. and to those people at home who are from ethnic minority backgrounds or
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gay or from a religious minority who don't submit to the woke dogma , i'm right behind you to dogma, i'm right behind you to those to those of you who hate us, we're not going anywhere . we us, we're not going anywhere. we won't shut up. we won't go away. and we'll never be left wing . and we'll never be left wing. benjamin you must consort with these types of people quite a lot who seem to be very able people. you do ? you're not one people. you do? you're not one of them yourself. who seem to be very confused by people like me who will say things like, i'll be you're a self—hating gay or i'll be you're an do you ever tell them to? not >> well, i mean, i wouldn't use those words, the latter being racist, in my opinion. but look, frankly, i listened to that monologue and i thought, get over yourself. actually over yourself. i actually i think is a special place think there is a special place in hell reserved for people from minority pull the minority groups who pull the ladder up after them. when you have has benefited have someone who has benefited from the people that fought racism and let this country be welcoming to immigrants, then making other immigrants and racial minority is be on the
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receiving end of abuse and empower racists. i think empower the racists. i think they're be out. they're right to be called out. when you people like you when you have people like you who run the lgbt wing of the tories and then watch and clap along as the home secretary targets and abuses trans people who've got nothing to do with her failed policies in government. i think you are a hypocrite . hypocrite. >> it what was the abuse of transgender people ? transgender people? >> by mocking and ridiculing them in the way that when rishi sunak gets up there and essentially says that trans people don't exist , that is not people don't exist, that is not because it's didn't say great intellectual remark. he did. he said a man is a man and a woman is a woman. now what that means is a woman. now what that means is that you can't change a trans woman. >> he didn't say a trans woman, but you know full well the only reason says that to appeal reason he says that is to appeal to bigots. to the bigots. >> now, that's fine. hang on. >> now, that's fine. hang on. >> hang on to that appeal to people who believe in biological reality, which is the vast majority. m ajority. >> majority. >> argument >> but that is the argument i'm making saying that making that that's saying that transgender people and people that exist know that gender don't exist know they that gender don't exist know the�*benjamin, can't.
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>> benjamin, i can't. >> benjamin, i can't. >> transgender moral superiority here, i think. albee maybe he needs to get over himself, but i think he makes a good point. i think he makes a good point. i think he makes a good point. i think he makes a very good point that it very that the left find it very uncomfortable to see minorities not support left wing ideology and i think it's simple case of bullying. they're trying to bullying. they're trying to bully them into some kind of submission or to just at least stay quiet. but when he when you have people that support government policies that i consider to be bullying, think consider to be bullying, i think rishi bullied transgender rishi sunak bullied transgender people this country with his people in this country with his speech party conference. speech at party conference. >> and i don't know how you, as someone who claims to be a trans ally lgbt group that you ally in an lgbt group that you run, can support that. >> i'm actually interested >> well, i'm actually interested in thinks about in what darren thinks about bullying, because i think you are the most are possibly one of the most targeted gay men in targeted right wing gay men in social media, in media in general, because of your political views, how do you feel when you are personally targeted and people like ben say and when people like ben say that you should get over yourself? >> benjamin well, i have asked him tweeting me, but you him to stop tweeting me, but you know, does anyway. know, he does it anyway. >> and, you know, i actually
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>> and, you know, i was actually i've thrown gay bars i've been thrown out of gay bars in newcastle and told that actually it's because of my view on the trans debate , which my on the trans debate, which my view putting it plainly and simply, is wear what you want call yourself whatever you like, but man is a man and a woman but a man is a man and a woman is a woman. you are a trans person and therefore know person and therefore you know your biological sex is immutable and can't be changed. that's my view. it's a pretty simple view, but gets you thrown out and but that gets you thrown out and cast by the people that cast out by the people that accuse us of being bigoted and small minded and not diverse enough and all the rest of it. but when it comes to inclusion, you people want to narrow down and have a very small and increasingly narrow world view allowed into establishments that you say are inclusive of people come in here because i, benjamin darrow is pitch there of what he believes is that not quite a liberal view. >> he says biological sex is immutable , but he doesn't care
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immutable, but he doesn't care if someone wants to present themselves as another gender. what's the problem with. but he does care because if you support someone like suella braverman, who basically constantly tries to paint transgender people as being a threat to biological women, as being a threat to the social fabric as that country thatis social fabric as that country that is bullying and that is unfair , but that's unfair, but that's a misrepresentation. >> we've seen biological males exploit gender ideology to get into women's spaces. nobody's got an issue with genuine trans women in. it's the a lot of people do. >> and this government empowers those people and, you know, this policy was you couldn't policy was that you couldn't have trans woman in a women's have a trans woman in a women's ward. no one had ever complained about that. >> woman who was raped >> foi the woman who was raped by transgender by a transgender woman complained by a transgender woman con there ed by a transgender woman conthere have been no cases in >> there have been no cases in 102 nhs trusts and of course someone who is a rapist is the lowest of the low. i don't think every other trans person should live like that. and to come back to point, you know, when to albee's point, you know, when people of people talk about sections of the a the black community, a disproportionate number to disproportionate number go to prison. if they were to talk prison. but if they were to talk about your and your
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about your rights and your quality based on people quality of life based on people that done reprehensible that have done reprehensible things that things and are also black, that would racist, do you would clearly be racist, do you not that these other things not see that these other things supported party you supported by the party you advocate in a advocate for, behave in a similar a similar way? similar in a similar way? >> party that >> benjamin the party that i advocate introduced same sex advocate for introduced same sex marriage, that marriage, the party that i advocate for voted against advocate for mps voted against party in northern ireland in 2019, where was 2019, where there was a conservative for the conservative majority for the policy. the party that i advocate for introduced lgbt relationships, sex education in schools , the party that schools, the party that i advocate for. benjamin every time you go to the clinic and pick up your prep, which i hope you do, by the way, you can thank jeremy hunt and matt hancock for that. introducing a strategy which is to going reduce, fact, eliminate hiv reduce, in fact, eliminate hiv transmissions by 2030. that is what the party i advocate for and not just words, you know, and notjust words, you know, i mean, you're so sensitive. >> people are allowed to have different opinions on things . different opinions on things. >> i'm not sensitive. i'm willing to stand opinions on turning up as one the turning up as one of the teletubbies, but i don't go on about it, do i? >> well, glad took the joke. >> i gave ten minutes ago, but
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look, ben, the flowerpot, man, i don't need medicines don't need those medicines because i don't have a sex life, so doesn't affect me. so it doesn't affect me. >> of that. we >> that's enough of that. we don't to know, do we? don't want to know, do we? right. okay, well, still to come, still to come tonight on that yes. and think that bombshell. yes. and i think benjamin nice in benjamin looks rather nice in his outfit. still his orange outfit. anyway. still to dale , vince is going to to come, dale, vince is going to stop funding , just stop oil. so stop funding, just stop oil. so we'll see what leo thinks about that. he reckons there is more than meets the eye to all this. and benjamin will tell what and benjamin will tell us what he labour's plans to he makes of labour's plans to solve the housing crisis. but next, angela rayner wants the hatred to be a hate hatred of women to be a hate crime. should it be? it's almost time for the carver palaver . time for the carver palaver. you're the saturday five live on gb news. stay with .
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emails. maria has written in and maria says thank goodness benjamin has changed out of his deck chair shirt, which she says is just as bad as his jumble sale. jersey >> liz well, there we are . >> liz well, there we are. >> liz well, there we are. >> fashion critique on the bbc. richard has written in and he says the bbc is a hypocritical airbrushing temple of woke. what else do you expect? adam says, i'm completely shocked that the bbc thought that a savile drama was the right move. i think a drama could potentially glamorise it. a documentary would provide the proper tone . would provide the proper tone. yeah, that's an interesting point. it is, isn't it? and on right wing bigotry, christians written in to say, i'll be as right this country has such a serious problem. anybody who thinks an open borders is not a goodideais thinks an open borders is not a good idea is branded as a racist . it's absolutely stupid and is crippling progress of discussion, which is a good point. on free speech, is it not, albie? now it's time,
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though , for our next debate. up though, for our next debate. up next, it's emily. and emily is to going tell us whether labour are getting it right with their plans to make misogyny a hate crime. so she's here. she's fresh from the kitchen. >> it's emily with her carver palava . palava. >> i was about to say, i don't want misogyny to be a hate crime, but maybe after that one, we should get him banged up anyway. angela rayner the lovely angela rayner has announced that misogyny will be a hate crime under is this what under labour. so is this what women want? but i think it's safe to say we certainly don't want rampant, unchecked misogyny, do we? darren so what's the problem with making misogyny a crime? why not make it illegal? surely that's the only way to stop this horrible misogyny and hatred of women. in her speech , rayner gave no real her speech, rayner gave no real explanation as to why. it's a brilliant idea, though. let's bnanntidea,though.lets have brilliant idea, though. let's have a look next. >> labour government will amend the equality act to introduce a legal duty for employers to take
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all reasonable steps to stop sexual harassment before it starts. but that's not all we will make misogyny a hate crime i >> well, there you go. rapturous applause. but rape is already a crime. sexual assault is already a crime. persistent sexual harassment is already a crime. last time i looked. now the law commission looked into this . commission looked into this. they had an intensive consultation and they came to the conclusion that making misogyny a specific hate crime would not be effective in countering the very real problem of violence, abuse and harassment of females. and it may actually be counterproductive. so what i think we need is better policing, better enforcement of the law and a better resourced just system not piling ever more laws on top of laws. a top on top of other laws now full disclosure, i have a problem, i think, with hate crimes as a concept. if you punch someone in the face and it's deemed to have have have had a sexist motive, should it be punished more severely, just by
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severely, severely, just by virtue that ? and who decides virtue of that? and who decides the definition of the legal definition of misogyny? do we then need misogyny? and do we then need misandry to be on the statute books? i'm not so sure. but as the great claire fox said in the house of lords, it's tokenistic , avoids the real problems that face women and is in like unlikely to help us at all. so there we go. now hate crimes. it's quite a controversial topic. darren do you think we need misogyny to be a hate crime? >> well, i'm the proud owner of a non—crime hate crime. >> so which was one of those things that they got rid of hate incident, hate incident? yes. hate incident. that's that's the title of it. look, i think that this is the infantilization of people, right. where do we then have a chilling effect on comedy? for example ? i mean, you comedy? for example? i mean, you might not like a comedy. i'm trying to think of a sketch of maybe a roy chubby brown of this world or mother law or a world or mother in law or a mother in law joke anything. mother in law joke or anything. >> misogyny is that misogyny? >> misogyny is that misogyny? >> i just said at the start >> what i just said at the start there about you being in the
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kitchen? joke . you kitchen? obviously a joke. you weren't the kitchen. you're weren't in the kitchen. you're not good in it . not very good in it. >> she is, actually. >> she is, actually. >> i've had her food very, very good. >> and the point is, does this have a chilling effect on speech? does this have a chilling effect where people feel so scared, terrified to say anything that slightly risky for being accused of one of these new words ? new words? >> i've got to be honest. i am more interested in the fact that the law commission actually looked into this very policy and made a recommendation to dominic raab, who was the minister in charge of this issue at the time, which was not to make not to misogyny hate crime. to make misogyny hate crime. now, this was an independent commission commissioned by the government into this government to look into this very issue and that commission said, not going to said, no, this is not going to help the situation at all. and if look at all the if we look at all the legislation that has been put in place, put crime place, let's put hate crime legislation in first legislation in in the first place, has actually stopped place, has it actually stopped hate no we have actually hate crime? no we have actually seen hate crime in some groups.
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let's take against transgender brits, for example , most brits, for example, most recently year in some data recently this year in some data which out transgender hate which came out transgender hate crime 11. the point is, crime is up 11. so the point is, when we legislate against something, it doesn't always end. problem we're end. the problem that we're trying and maybe we trying to solve. and maybe we should find means should try and find other means of the problem other of solving the problem other than legislation. >> hate don't end in very >> hate crimes don't end in very many convictions either because. >> i think alby's made made >> but i think alby's made made the complete wrong point because as as a gay person , as you know, as a gay person, the numbers of hate the reason the numbers of hate crimes hate crimes have reported, hate crimes have reported, hate crimes has a lot to crimes have risen, has a lot to do, actually, with people feeling able to report and to pursue some of the things that they've been on the receiving end you know, i'm a gay man. end of. you know, i'm a gay man. i'm a practising homosexual male, i empowered by male, and i feel empowered by you practising my i feel empowered by that law. if somebody is abusive to me in the street and i managed to get a hate crime conviction. no, but what about a man who threatened to stab and so let me say to stab me? and so let me say this. we had wayne couzens that monster who murdered sarah everard. and from that everard. and we know from that trial all trial that he had written all sorts horrendous messages. sorts of horrendous messages.
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what people would call what some people would call jokes, weren't funny jokes, but clearly weren't funny in whatsapp i think if in whatsapp groups. i think if you had a law that said that that kind of behaviour could be confront covid, then you might stop some those monsters stop some of those monsters before they go. >> do you think everybody that makes joke at women's expense makes a joke at women's expense is a monster is going to go on to kill someone? >> that's the most ridiculous, asinine thing that i've ever heard in my life. i mean, instead of adding more recognise when are behaving in when people are behaving in those ways. >> nonsense. >> and this is a nonsense. >> and this is a nonsense. >> danger of this >> this is the danger of this kind of we should be scrapping hate laws instead of hate crime laws instead of adding categories to adding more categories to them because abused by the because it can be abused by the state persecute whoever they state to persecute whoever they want. you can say , oh look, want. so you can say, oh look, this made a joke in this person made a joke in a whatsapp, even though it's a joke 80% joke that perhaps, you know, 80% of might make or of the population might make or might at person made might laugh at this person made that so it gives the state that joke. so it gives the state an excuse to persecute that person also. >> i mean, you make a good point. someone assaults point. if someone assaults someone, i said in my someone, as i said in my monologue, you monologue, there, if i punch you on nose and it's because on the nose and it's because i you perceive that it's because
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i'm a homophobe, should i get a longer sentence ? yes. i don't longer sentence? yes. i don't know. what do you think ? know. what do you think? >> i don't care why you're punching me in the face. i care that you've punched me in the face. yes. you know, i want you to go to prison for punching me in the face. i don't want people to prison hurty. words to go to prison for hurty. words we're concerned we're getting too concerned about this country about offence in this country and taken offence. but, darren, there are are criminals and taken offence. but, darren, ther(are> are criminals and taken offence. but, darren, ther(are violentare criminals and taken offence. but, darren, ther(are violent towards nals and taken offence. but, darren, ther(are violent towards people who are violent towards people because they are gay or because they black or because of they are black or because of their religion. >> we've spoken about it on this show before. exactly. i don't show before. exactly. so i don't like it when make you like it when people make you make that, oh, it's make the argument that, oh, it's about hurty words. it's not about hurty words. it's not about people are about hurty words. people are i'm leo. it's not is i'm sorry, leo. it's not is people are just. i'm sorry, leo. it's not is peo but are just. i'm sorry, leo. it's not is peo but that'sst. i'm sorry, leo. it's not is peo but that's not that is not >> but that's not that is not what are talking about what we are talking about lecture on isn't it. >> oh, since we can >> oh, since we what can straight white men be added to >> oh, since we what can strailist white men be added to >> oh, since we what can strailist ofiite men be added to >> oh, since we what can strailist of categoriese added to >> oh, since we what can strailist of categories for ded to >> oh, since we what can strailist of categories for hate :o crimes? >> you just you just minimise me because i'm a straight white man, is hate crime. so man, which is a hate crime. so you be in jail because you should be in jail because you should be in jail because you institutional power you have institutional power over someone like me in that case, that's why hate fire exists. >> you're i'm my
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>> you're fired. i'm using my power . power. >> benjamin should misandry be a hate crime? but the truth, hatred of society isn't structured in that way . structured in that way. >> yes, men have that ability to overpower women in day to day lives. know, a man lives. you know, find me a man who been wolf, whistled by who has been wolf, whistled by a woman in the street . it who has been wolf, whistled by a woman in the street. it ain't happened. >> what about a man that had been wolf whistle by a man? >> well, if you wolf whistle never happened. >> never wolf >> i have never been wolf whistled. therefore, whistled. and therefore, it clearly your breath, clearly don't hold your breath, love. clearly don't hold your breath, lowanyway, moving on. >> anyway, moving. moving on. >> anyway, moving. moving on. >> vince, he's. stop >> dale. vince, he's. stop funding. just stop. oil and leo kearse thinks that actually there's more to it than meets there's more to it than meets the eye. find out what that is in a and forget to in a mo. and don't forget to keep your questions coming in for flummox five on for flummox the five later on tonight. nothing off the tonight. nothing is off the agenda. tonight. nothing is off the agenda . god help us. but next, agenda. god help us. but next, benjamin is going to be talking about labour's housing plans. he wants to destroy our green and pleasant land here with the saturday five live on .
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welcome back to the saturday five. welcome back to the saturday five.thank welcome back to the saturday five. thank you for your emails to susan . there's a lot of to susan. there's a lot of bullying going on for benjamin and his outfit choices . yes, and his outfit choices. yes, benjamin benjamin's outfit actually looks like he's a just stop oil protester. oh, there we go. >> that is quite accurate, to be fair, susan. >> and terry says leo was dressed like a 70s clown. so there you go. equal opportunities for you to. there's no hierarchy here. and on misogyny, says hatred se on misogyny, mike says hatred se should never be a crime in itself. hatred is normal human itself. hatred is a normal human emotion that should be taken into account a court. but into account by a court. but thatis into account by a court. but that is all. and alistair says if we're going to make misogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, going to make misogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, then to make misogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, then we make misogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, then we need misogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, then we need toisogyny that is all. and alistair says if crime, then we need to makey a crime, then we need to make misandry crime too. well, misandry a crime too. well, thank you much for your thank you very much for your emails. them coming emails. keep them coming through. also, give us your question to question because we're going to get very shortly as get to those very shortly as well. up next, yes , yes, well. but up next, yes, yes, it's benjamin and benjamin's to going tell us why the time has apparently to goodbye apparently come to wave goodbye to our beautiful countryside. >> wait. he's going to
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>> can't wait. how he's going to justify this one? away you go, benjamin. yes that's right. >> i agree with angela rayner. the shadow and future housing secretary, who says we need to build new towns and new houses right across britain. britain doesn't have anything like enough homes for millions of people under the age of 40. the chance of getting on the housing ladder and fulfilling the dream. thatcher spoke of being a home owner is over . even really quite owner is over. even really quite well—paid. people if they live in the south east, if they live in the south east, if they live in city like london, can't get on the housing ladder. and i think a lot of boomers don't recognise the damage they've done. you go back to the 1970s and the average house price was £5,000. the average salary was £1,000. well, i'll tell you what, now it's a quarter of £1 million for the average house. if you live in london, you're looking at 6 or 700,000 for a little flat. and that is completely unfair . now, look, if completely unfair. now, look, if those rich pensioners who are
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living in those houses had the decency to let building go ahead, then maybe things would be all right. but the people who got rich living in their big houses are blocking people building. that's why we need to rip up planning laws. we need to stop caring about the greenbelt. you people that think the view of the golf course is more important my right to important than my right to have a house. your days are numbered. and let's drown out those and so let's drown out those people moaning house people moaning about house building sound of building with the sound of diggers britain . let's diggers across britain. let's get building. gosh you sound obnoxious and entitled. >> no , he sounds like a supply >> no, he sounds like a supply side reformer. >> and that is what did you see the hatred? >> i sound like that exactly. >> i sound like that exactly. >> precise. only this is exactly what liz truss wanted to do, by the way. it's what theresa may tried to do. they wanted to reform planning regulations to allow more homes and more development to happen in britain. so benjamin, i'm right behind on this. you sound behind you on this. you sound like thatcherite like a right wing thatcherite and congratulations on coming over the side talking over to the dark side talking about sounds like. about what it sounds like.
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>> sound like someone with >> you sound like someone with a vehement hatred of old people. oh, like someone with oh, you sound like someone with a vehement hatred of who a vehement hatred of those who actually nation into actually built this nation into what is today. they didn't what it is today. they didn't sit on their behinds writing for a paper or coming on a newspaper paper or coming on a tv show . they actually put the tv show. they actually put the work in. >> they sat in their homes. >> they sat in their homes. >> sat in their homes >> they sat in their homes whilst quantitative went whilst quantitative easing went on saw asset on and they saw their asset pnces on and they saw their asset prices up and they and that prices go up and they and that is how paid. is how they paid. >> that is how that is how than what we're paying. that is how house prices have risen. >> people haven't worked >> these people haven't worked for houses to up. these for their houses to go up. these people 20, 30% in value. >> are you suggesting that i'm talking about once they're living the house, the prices living in the house, the prices of houses going up since the year by ten, 20, 30, 40, 50? >> it's not. it's not gone up in value because of people's hard work. what else? what i'm saying what has happened since the work. what else? what i'm saying wha'that's has happened since the work. what else? what i'm saying wha'that's caused pened since the work. what else? what i'm saying wha'that's caused house since the work. what else? what i'm saying wha'that's caused house prices the work. what else? what i'm saying wigo hat's caused house prices the work. what else? what i'm saying wigo up?s caused house prices the to go up? >> we've had mass immigration, immigration to be quite immigration used to be quite a sustainable level in the uk. come we had over a million come on. we had over a million visas issued last you visas issued last year. you think, everybody just nobody think, oh, everybody just nobody needs to live in house when
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needs to live in a house when they here. i think i think they come here. i think i think they come here. i think i think they bring a semi detached house with them. it's an absolute nonsense. coming nonsense. all the people coming into are pushing up into the country are pushing up pnces into the country are pushing up prices for everybody. >> think britain is rich >> i, i think britain is rich because of immigrants. but if you have a problem with that ficher you have a problem with that richer and richer in terms of gdp but not richer in terms of do you have a problem housing with all the greedy landlords who bought houses to rent? who bought ten houses to rent? and why others can't get and that's why others can't get landlords landlords landlords should and landlords should landlords should and landlords shoand if there were if we had a >> and if there were if we had a sense able immigration policy, there be masses there wouldn't be the masses clamouring to get into. >> i can just quote suella >> so if i can just quote suella braverman from her speech at the un, housing demand comes un, 45% of housing demand comes from immigration. un, 45% of housing demand comes frorthatnigration. un, 45% of housing demand comes frorthatnigratic55% itjust >> that means 55% of it just comes from the native, from the native. population i'm not native. so population i'm not i'm not saying 45. i'm not saying 45% isn't a large amount. but the majority of housing demand. leo comes from the nafive demand. leo comes from the native native population and we've not been doing we've not been doing enough to cater for that might come from people who are actually already in the country. >> yes. >> yes.
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>> so nearly half. >> so nearly half. >> so nearly half. >> so let's not just talk about immigration. >> immigration, no, immigration is clearly the main driver of housing. >> you 45% of it, 45. it's not the major thing. it's not the majority are you are you nuts? >> so, like we've got we've got the people, all the people in the people, all the people in the country, all the people in the country, all the people in the country, all the people in the country that are already here are just driving 55% of housing demand. so that's i mean, to me, that's that's an insane amount for just the small proportion that are coming into the country driving 45. >> i did my degree is actually i think albie did the london school of economics, place school of economics, a place that has overseas students that has 70% overseas students close that down and turn it into flats. >> it has it has it has the highest graduate income of any university in the country. >> produces that >> it produces people that create businesses billions create businesses worth billions of pounds some cases, and of pounds in some cases, and that immigrants do. that is what immigrants do. yeah, i, i pay a lot of tax and happily so. but i tell you what, it's still hard to get on the housing ladder because you've got houses. got people hoarding houses. you've people who don't have you've got people who don't have a family living in a five bed house. up and
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downsize. >> god. >> mean god. >> mean god. >> well, a big reason why people don't sell when they want to don't sell up when they want to is because stamp duty, which is because of stamp duty, which is because of stamp duty, which is punitive and other is hugely punitive and other reasons to also because don't reasons to also because we don't have supply of the right have enough supply of the right types of homes for older people when they do want to leave. but there is no point denying that despite the great things that come with immigration, that it has had an absolutely huge impact on housing. it's as simple as supply and demand . simple as supply and demand. it's economics 101. but i imagine you didn't study economics at the lse. so no, it's just ludicrous to deny that that's an issue. and the problem is successive governments have seemed to think that they can have record levels of immigration only build a immigration and only build a couple of hundred thousand houses each year. it's absolutely absurd. sorry absolutely absurd. and i'm sorry governments that. governments didn't believe that. it's hang let it's young people. hang on, let me it's young people who me finish. it's young people who are so pro almost open borders. and think need to and i think they need to actually think about what actually have a think about what they're saying because it's pushing up prices. look at rental prices. >> it's not governments. you've got people lining their pockets with werther's originals,
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blocking being blocking new houses from being built. but built. and i'm sorry, but i think they should be confronted on. >> on. >> i agree with nimbyism is wrong and agree that planning wrong and i agree that planning regulations to be looked regulations need to be looked at. think you're in denial. >> i think you need to leave in any river alone. there we are. >> right? still ahead tonight, very good. >> we're going to be revealing our most controversial opinions in answering in the truth hurts and answering viewer questions the viewer questions in flummox. the five. next it's leo's five. but next up, it's leo's lament he has dale vince lament and he has dale vince firmly in his sights. you're with the saturday five live on
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gb news. >> welcome back to the saturday five. i've got some more emails from you on misogyny which was what my palava was about, anthony says. i grew up with the expression sticks and stones may break my bones. words cannot hurt me. what has happened to create this ever so sensitive society? i guess you can put that one to benjamin buttennorth . sensitive, isn't . he's awfully sensitive, isn't he labour doesn't
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he? alan says labour doesn't even know what a woman is, so how can they make a how can they make misogyny a hate crime? yes this could open a barrel a can of worms, not a barrel of a can of worms, not a barrel of a can of worms, not a barrel of worms. a can of worms. i think with the whole trans debate, green belt trans gender debate, green belt says we must never, ever , says an we must never, ever, ever build on the green belt. there are plenty of brownfield sites that need to be redeveloped current redeveloped within current villages, and very villages, towns and cities. very good point. rosie says we good point. and rosie says we should exploring we should be exploring how we can build underground. >> oh, lots of innovative projects. benjamin wood looking at what we can do there, should we send benjamin with a digger? >> won't. >> so i won't. >> so i won't. >> i won't bully you anymore, but send leo underground. but let's send leo underground. >> then at least >> can't do well, then at least you'll be able to see me in this outfit. >> well, yeah, right. but it is time for debate. time for our next debate. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> up next, kearse with >> up next, it's leo kearse with his on dale. vince's his take on dale. vince's decision stop funding. decision to stop funding. just stop oil. away you go, leo. so dale vince is the millionaire finance backer of just stop oil i >> at least he was until recently . he's decided that he's recently. he's decided that he's going to get more impact in green policy if he funds labour
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instead and directs his resources there. and everybody's like, oh, dale vince. oh, he's such a good guy. he just wants everything . everything. >> he wants to save the environment. that's nonsense. >> dale vince is just worried about the bottom line. he's a business man. he's worth over £100 million under the last labour government. he donated £1.5 million to them and got £36 million in subsidies in return . million in subsidies in return. thatis million in subsidies in return. that is the best investment. a businessman could possibly make. he's not trying to save the environment. he's trying to line his pockets . and even funding his pockets. and even funding just stop. oil was just was was a way to try and make it seem as if the public there's this pubuc if the public there's this public surge of support for green policies the that was so strong that people were throwing themselves into the roads. no, he's paying them. he's paying them to do that. and what i don't understand is when some people are being arrested for saying they want to encourage or want to fund criminal anality, for example, cutting down ulez cameras, they're apprehended by
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the police. why is dale vince not being apprehended by the police as well for funding just stop oil. so dale, vince i think he's a fraud and a phoney and he's a fraud and a phoney and he's just out for himself . he's just out for himself. >> did he really get £36 million, what, directly to his business for subsidies? ecotricity yeah. >> and then he got subsidies from the tory government as well because obviously they're just like these days. like labour these days. >> you think he's a grifter basically. >> see all this? all the green energy stuff is supported by subsidies. while i think subsidies. and while i think it's we're it's great that we're transitioning to oil and gas sales, sustainable renewable energy, because i don't want to give to the give to money russia or to the middle east oil. i mean, middle for east oil. i mean, i think it's ridiculous to be to be handing money hand over fist to to these people. and to these to these people. and it's mean, is like it's it's i mean, it is like it's sheer graft at this point when somebody is enriching themselves to point . to that point. >> mean, leo, if you were in >> i mean, leo, if you were in charge of sunak campaign, charge of rishi sunak campaign, would now be saying on dale? would you now be saying on dale? vince, look, this proves. vince, look, what this proves. just stop oil labour party, they're both the same thing. >> yeah, exactly , exactly.
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>> yeah, exactly, exactly. >> yeah, exactly, exactly. >> and if you're worried about corruption, i mean, here's here's a prime example of buying government influence. >> i mean, i think that's highly dubious. and completely untrue. and i'm sure dale , vince would and i'm sure dale, vince would would aggressively disagree with that refute it. and that and refute it. and the truth is that actually, you know, the idea you're trying to paint stop as some paint just stop oil as some establishment organisation is clearly absurd. >> well, they're richer than i am. >> this is someone who's put his money where his is to fund money where his mouth is to fund a that's trying take on a group that's trying to take on the quo . the the status quo. the establishment the massive oil establishment is the massive oil companies fund the tory party. >> they're committing crimes , >> they're committing crimes, final acts to pursue their agenda. final acts to pursue their agenda . they're not just, you agenda. they're not just, you know, people in the know, stopping people in the street asking to take street and asking them to take a leaflet. they're just stop. >> oil does a lot of things and they've clearly worked because everyone right everyone watching us right now knows just stop is knows what just stop oil is they've highlighted campaign. hang it hasn't worked >> hang on. it hasn't worked because we've got new licences in well that's in the north sea. well that's because tory party because you've got a tory party who paid and funded who is funded, paid and funded by the oil industry. >> sorry, benjamin, have you got gas boiler?
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>> benjamin gas boiler. how you do. so you also make how would you, how would you take your 18 flights year or how many flights a year or how many flights a year or how many flights taken year flights you've taken this year if stopped oil? if we just stopped oil? >> look, i get it. you are pro net zero. you support just stop oil. but you're not actually you're you're not actually you're not you're not actually doing well, whatever doing anything. well, whatever you do, you defend your defending. you're defending net zero, you at the zero, benjamin. but you at the same time took 18 flights. so you boasted in the green room, you're not doing anything to get to net zero. >> you've got worse carbon footprint than emma thompson. >> hang on. >> well, hang on. >> well, hang on. >> just lived. i've >> i've just lived. i've just lived with a tribe in the ocean, so i achieve zero for so i achieve net zero for a week. i lived off trees a week. >> you a bike too hard. but >> you ride a bike too hard. but look, you the serious look, you know, the serious point is that we need to point here is that we need to develop technologies that point here is that we need to devel(that technologies that point here is that we need to devel(that techrlikejies that point here is that we need to devel(that techrlike flightst point here is that we need to devel(that techrlike flights or mean that things like flights or cars have the damage that cars don't have the damage that they do. >> right now. now, vince is >> right now. now, dale vince is a who runs companies. a man who runs companies. you named ecotricity, runs named ecotricity, who runs companies us do that. companies that help us do that. we be supporting him. we should be supporting him. governments should be giving we should be supporting him. govern to nts should be giving we should be supporting him. govern to companies be giving we should be supporting him. govern to companies like iving we should be supporting him. govern to companies like that . money to companies like that. >> do think that the >> do you think that the government should be subsidising
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companies because his company companies because if his company had decent business model and had a decent business model and there was demand, why would they need subsidies? >> didn't say subsidies. >> well, i didn't say subsidies. >> well, i didn't say subsidies. >> i said that's funding. >> i said that's funding. >> well, because first of >> well, no, because first of all, might in ideas all, you might invest in ideas such as research and development that do this . and, you know, that do this. and, you know, government has big government obviously has a big sway in lots of contracts. and the is that the idea that the truth is that the idea that you think that that the you think that that is the corruption and the dodgy part of british politics is complete nonsense. >> that is corruption , that is >> that is corruption, that is money flowing, that is money, government influence being political influence being bought, somebody receiving bought, and somebody receiving huge amounts of largesse in return . return. >> leo might be a surprise >> leo this might be a surprise to you, but some people actually believe in things. to you, but some people actually bel emilyi things. to you, but some people actually bel emilyi thi|interested in the >> emily i'm interested in the point you were just making. are you government you anti the government subsidies using innovative companies ? um, i think it's very companies? um, i think it's very difficult because the government will choose often those with the loudest voices or those who already have the most influence. >> so it's unlikely that they're going to be giving subsidies to
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a lot of newcomers and start—ups that don't happen to have whatever power this guy has , whatever power this guy has, whatever power this guy has, whatever del vince has, or in other areas. so i worry that they pick winners and they don't always get it right when it comes subsidies. but no, i'm comes to subsidies. but no, i'm not against the government investing research and investing in research and development and giving companies investing in research and dev chancent and giving companies investing in research and dev chance to and giving companies investing in research and dev chance to sortgiving companies investing in research and dev chance to sort ofing companies investing in research and dev chance to sort of putcompanies investing in research and dev chance to sort of put theiranies the chance to sort of put their hat in the ring when it comes to some funding. but i do worry about the broad scale subsidies i >> -- >> i'm against it. governments are terrible at allocating money. that's why the soviet union failed. well, america , union failed. well, america, becca rose is ridiculous . and becca rose is ridiculous. and from my experience seeing the arts council funding comedy, they always pick the absolute worst comedians. if they're doing that across the science and technology sectors, then they'll picking the worst they'll be picking the worst companies in the world. >> there's the argument >> there's also the argument that companies that can't that bad companies that can't sustain on own sustain themselves on their own should it makes way should die because it makes way for companies to grow in for other companies to grow in their place. and also , how can their place. and also, how can they decide which technology is going to be the future winner?
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they can't really, but if you are, i mean, it's really that difficult to groups of difficult to when groups of entrepreneurs pitch to entrepreneurs go and pitch to venture capitalists, for example, there's a scheme called innovate example, there's a scheme called inn they know what they're >> they know what they're talking no, but but talking about. well, no, but but they with their own money. >> so they're doing they've >> so they're doing it. they've got skin in the game. got some skin in the game. governments don't allocate money like that. no government is somebody spending somebody else spending somebody else's money on stuff they have no and that's why no clue about. and that's why governments terrible governments are terrible at spending money. >> gone off on a >> but you've gone off on a tangent because solar power and those what we need, right? >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> good with your flight, >> good luck with your flight, with the solar power. >> well, that's it for our first hour tonight. >> but there's plenty more to come. saturday five, come. on the saturday five, we're answering we're going to be answering all of questions flummox the of your questions in flummox the five. keep emailing five. so do keep emailing in gbviews@gbnews.com. a gbviews@gbnews.com. we'll have a great guest tell us how great guest along to tell us how you make over 100 grand by you can make over 100 grand by being left a whatsapp being left out of a whatsapp group. it's coming up and more. you're watching the saturday five on
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welcome . back to the saturday welcome. back to the saturday five cheers. very much for your company. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona emily carver , benjamin buttennorth and carver, benjamin buttennorth and lucas lords. more on the show coming up. what have we got for you ? well, we're going to you? well, we're going to discuss the plumber who got a 130 grand payout forjust being 130 grand payout for just being left out of a work whatsapp group, not bad work. if you get it. we're to going reveal our unpopular opinions in a brand new feature. can't wait to see benjamin struggle with that one. now >> and don't forget that we've also got flummox the five. i'm excited for this one. we want your questions tonight. they're flying in already and we will be answering them live and on scripted later on this hour. possible questions could be anything from should hs2 be extended to scotland so we can send leo kearse back home and please, has anyone out there got anything positive to say about
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benjamin's top? nothing is off limits tonight. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com. you can also tweet us as well at gb news. facebook us whatever it is. your social media of choice. but before we start another hour of chaos, it is your saturday night news with ray addison . night news with ray addison. our top story tonight, 200 palestinians and at least 200 israelis have been killed with more than 1100 injured after the hamas terrorist organisation launched a surprise attack on israel . israel. >> those of you watching on television can see live footage of the gaza skyline soon after thousands of rockets were fired and gunmen crossed the border in and gunmen crossed the border in a deadly assault. local news reported. civilians in border towns barricading themselves in their homes and pleading for help . hamas says israeli
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help. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places , including secure places, including tunnels. israel's energy minister said they would cut off the energy supply to gaza . the energy supply to gaza. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk will not tolerate terrorism. >> the uk completely condemns these terrorist acts against israel and we support israel's right to self—defence and of course we will be working closely with the israeli government. we're already contact with them and will continue to do so , both to continue to do so, both to protect british nationals in israel and to try and bring peace as quickly as possible . peace as quickly as possible. >> dozens of hamas terrorists have been stopped by israeli naval personnel, according to israel's defence forces. the warning for those watching on television, you may find the following footage distressing. earlier this morning, the idf pursued dozens of terrorists along the southern maritime area as they tried to enter israeli territory via the water. soldiers opened fire on the militants, successfully
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destroying four vessels. hamas terrorists were also stopped as they tried to cross into israel along the southern border . well, along the southern border. well, it's a breaking news this evening. a significant quantity of what is thought to be cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. the national crime agency is investigating after a fisherman discovered holdalls containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea off saint aldhelm's point and durdle door in purbeck more washed up on a beach on the isle of wight. the nca says the class a drugs would have originated in south america . originated in south america. they're urging the public to report any similar packages to their local police force . 260 their local police force. 260 suspected rapists have been labelled as females by police over the last four years. that's to according data from the crown prosecution service, which was obtained by the daily telegraph. the classified action comes despite the home secretary urging police not to label rape suspects as women as by law it
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can only be committed by a biological male. the figures show a further 209 suspects were recorded as sex unknown . and recorded as sex unknown. and finally, the british film director, terence davies has died aged 77, following a short illness. he came to prominence in the 1970s and 80s with a string of successful films, including distant voices and still lives. much of his work was drawn from his own experiences growing up as a working class boy in liverpool. more recently, he wrote and directed a quiet passion in which he dramatised the life of american poet emily dickinson . american poet emily dickinson. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now let's get back to all five of them . get back to all five of them. >> cheers. welcome back to the saturday five. now we're going to tackle the thorny issue of
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work whatsapp groups. so stay tuned for that. but first, it's time for the truth hurts. it's the part of the show where we all reveal our most unpopular opinions. >> yes , the time has come to >> yes, the time has come to think the unthinkable and say the unsayable . the unsayable. >> we're going out of our comfort zone to those dark places in our psyche. we only normally visit after a particularly painful keir starmer speech who could possibly lead the way as we embark on this journey into the unknown? ben buttennorth what is your unpopular opinion tonight ? your unpopular opinion tonight? >> well, as you observe, i think i've had six months of unpopular opinions on this show. but look, i not going to sound i know i'm not going to sound like i old people and like i hate old people and i don't. but you ain't going don't. okay? but you ain't going to a bus pass at 60 if i'm to get a bus pass at 60 if i'm running the country right. who cares that you're it's not cares that you're 60? it's not the retirement age. you're not so old that you can't sort of walk and mobilise. in most people's idea that people's cases, the idea that you're getting free travel in london the tube, discounts on london on the tube, discounts on the trains, free bus pass. the trains, a free bus pass. i think there's gravy bus of free travel needs do know what travel needs to do you know what my just texted me saying
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my mum just texted me saying justin my mum just texted me saying just in the break saying bitter bean really hates old people because this is the thing you make sometimes make very sensible points because i don't think all over 60 need free bus passes , but you make them in passes, but you make them in such a bitter and twisted way. >> well, i don't think 60 year olds are old. >> i'm sure they'll be pleased to get to hear that. >> that's why they shouldn't. >> that's why they shouldn't. >> you know what's to >> but you know what's going to happen as he gets to 60, happen as soon as he gets to 60, he'll be making all the demands that criticises. that he criticises. >> now, i'll to make >> now, i'll be lucky to make it, but yeah, you'll get all the freebies. >> think that is one freebie >> i think that is one freebie that we need to act. >> and know that's unpopular >> and i know that's unpopular because they all like the free travel. >> all right, that's enough of you, for your you, leo. it's time for your unpopular opinion. >> unpopular opinion is >> oh, my unpopular opinion is that basically we people, people always say hunting, always come in and say hunting, shooting, shooting, shooting, grouse, shooting, things the things like that are bad for the environment, animals. environment, bad for animals. actually, and shooters environment, bad for animals. act|fantastic. and shooters environment, bad for animals. act| fantastic. conservationists; are fantastic. conservationists the steward, the land . and make the steward, the land. and make sure it can be where these animals can live and thrive . and animals can live and thrive. and it provides a great environment
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for various other rare flora and fauna. and with the grouse moors in particular, if they weren't being used for grouse shooting , being used for grouse shooting, the next most lucrative use for the next most lucrative use for the land usually blanket the land is usually blanket coniferous which coniferous forestry, which poisons acidifies poisons the soil acidifies watercourses downstream affects the ecosystem far away from. >> you've looked into this, leo would you approve of trophy hunting then? of course. >> yeah. trophy hunting in africa sustains the environment in that area and puts a lot of money into into the local economy and i think it's an absolute nonsense that you take that you take that economy away and take that environment away. people have to make a living and people have to make a return off the land. sorry for killing endangered species like the white rhino and elephants in south africa and botswana, you think is a good thing? i'll be. how do you think you're going to stop them from being endangered and you're going to by shooting them to create habitat. create habitat where they can live and where they can breathe and where they can thrive we are they can thrive anyway, we are on darren's.
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on to darren's. >> we haven't got for >> we haven't got all day for these. these to be these. these have got to be quick and snappy. that's the name of the game. darren, what's your know what i want your do you know what i want emily raise the voting age. emily to raise the voting age. >> don't people like >> i don't want people like benjamin and include myself in benjamin and i include myself in that i think that because actually i think i'm him. that because actually i think i'm i, him. that because actually i think i'm i, i him. that because actually i think i'm i, i would him. that because actually i think i'm i, i would givelim. that because actually i think i'm i, i would give up. >> i, i would give up. >> i, i would give up. >> i, i would give up. >> i would give up my right to vote to ensure that people like him who hate old people can't get way because old get their own way because old people sensible decisions. people make sensible decisions. how are talking? how old are we talking? >> i think we should >> like 60? no i think we should make it 50. >> like 60? no i think we should ma and 50. >> like 60? no i think we should ma and at. >> like 60? no i think we should ma and at a property >> and at a property qualification stop people qualification to stop people like having the vote. like you from having the vote. >> there we go. the truth >> well, there we go. the truth about darren grimes free speech credentials. >> speech . >> speech. >> speech. >> say what you want. i give you free licence this show, but free licence on this show, but i don't think you should be able to vote no. >> i agree with benjamin here. you're i mean, that's destroyed my of you. the state. my opinion of you. the state. and it was already bad. an evil dictator would just in dictator would just come in and abuse law to stop people voting. >> well, sir keir starmer being one of them, he wants to lower it to 16. >> that is gerrymandering, >> well, that is gerrymandering, in yeah, well , people in my view. yeah, well, people with benjamin
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with worse opinions and benjamin buttennorth are going to get a c. buttennorth are going to get a c, i do. well he said the unthinkable. he the unthinkable. he said the unsayable so going to unsayable. so i'm going to ask myself unpopular opinion myself what my unpopular opinion is. look, we don't is. and i think, look, we don't say you enough to all the say thank you enough to all the rich people in this country who fund right . we need fund everything right. we need to say thank you for paying all your tax bill. thank you and keeps us nhs going. it keeps our roads relatively be surfaced in a nice way, you know. i mean the potholes probably need some work, but you know, it keeps the teachers going and you know what? they pay a lot of tax. >> are you thanking your parents in particular? emily no , i'm in particular? emily no, i'm thanking every person who has paid, you know, the top 1% of pay paid, you know, the top 1% of pay something like a third of all income tax , we should say. all income tax, we should say. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry. thank you. >> i'm sorry. thank you. >> thank you. i will not be grateful to the greedy. i think it's the poorest. we should be saying thank you to. because the fact saying thank you to. because the facioh, do you enjoy a payslip, benjamin? >> the fact they haven't had an uprising try and get some of
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uprising to try and get some of the money back, that's miracle. >> but emily is right that about 30% of all tax revenue is 30% of all tax revenue taken is from band of tax, at from the top band of tax, at least income tax. income tax? >> well, i think emily's been unpopular enough after that one. >> benjamin, the >> yes. benjamin, you see, the poor to the poor should uprise to take the money as if it's their money. do you not believe in property rights? individual property rights? you think all property is that why is communal? i mean, is that why you're like that? so you're dressed like that? so nobody steals your clothes. you're dressed like that? so noi:it's steals your clothes. you're dressed like that? so noi:it's richrls your clothes. you're dressed like that? so noi:it's rich coming clothes. you're dressed like that? so noi:it's rich coming from as. you're dressed like that? so noi:it's rich coming from you. you're dressed like that? so noi:those:h coming from you. you're dressed like that? so noi:those listening from you. you're dressed like that? so noi:those listening onym you. you're dressed like that? so noi:those listening on radio,|. for those listening on radio, believe me, he's not going to leg stand on. leg to stand on. >> can probably hear this >> they can probably hear this on fair. on radio, to be fair. >> i it's no wonder you >> i mean, it's no wonder you support trophy hunting because it's lucky no one wants to chop that and it on the wall. >> all right, that's enough of that. let's sorry. it's really funny. okay. alvy, what is your on? i've got i've got an unpopular about victoria beckham. she david beckham have >> she and david beckham have got netflix documentary got a new netflix documentary out where basically she claims to working class even though to be working class even though that her class, even though her grand grandfather, even though her father drove her to school in a rolls think we can in a rolls royce. i think we can get funny clip of that video.
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get a funny clip of that video. but i'm arguing that victoria is right. you can drive to school in royce. we in a rolls royce. should we watch class? let's watch the working class? let's watch the clip. >> a very working working class. >> a very working working class. >> honest . >> be honest. >> be honest. >> i am being honest. i am being honest . honest. >> did your dad drive you to school ? school? >> so my dad . no, my dad was it. >> so my dad. no, my dad was it. it's not a simple answer because did you get your dad to drive? it depends . it depends. >> no, no, no, no, no. okay. >> no, no, no, no, no. okay. >> in the 80s, my dad had a rolls royce , but it's true. rolls royce, but it's true. >> because if you are . if you're >> because if you are. if you're working class done good. you are someone that's born into a working class household. and then start a business, you then you start a business, you earn money be able to earn enough money to be able to drive to school in drive your daughter to school in a royce. course, you're a rolls royce. of course, you're still working class. don't still working class. you don't suddenly class suddenly become upper class because started company because you started a company and money to buy and have enough money to buy a nice car. >> how does does this last >> how long does does this last for? how many generations? i mean, i still a miner ? mean, am i still a coal miner? this absolute nonsense . this is an absolute nonsense. >> yeah, it's elon musk still working class.
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>> yes. >> yes. >> i mean, that's good >> i mean, that's a good question. i suppose the argument that making that you that i'm making is that if you are born into a certain class, just because you earn a certain amount money. benjamin all of amount of money. benjamin all of amount of money. benjamin all of a sudden you don't jump up to a sudden you don'tjump up to being. you saying if you being. are you saying if you happen to have a cockney accent, you'll always be working class? >> sorry, if you >> because i'm sorry, but if you look generations of most look at generations of most people's who have ended people's family who have ended up class couple up middle class only a couple of generations back, you know, there grandparents there are their grandparents were stairs and were working under stairs and benjamin's a good example of this because he started off really class and now he really working class and now he directs tribes in some jungles. >> now he's snoozeville, arizona. >> i was born into a councillor state in macclesfield, then state in macclesfield, and then i a place called i moved to a place called alderley with alderley edge and grew up with the beckhams as my neighbours. so that class is complicated. >> anyone can make but >> anyone can make it, but i think there's something to be said there are lots of said that there are lots of middle class people who like to cosplay as working class because it's yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well yeah. well true. >> well yeah. well that's true. but you're evidence anyone but you're evidence that anyone can make in this country. can make it in this country. okay it's time for our first
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guest of this evening. and for some reason, darren, a story about being left out of whatsapp groups has caught your attention . why has it indeed ? . why has it indeed? >> because anyone who doesn't recognise the cold, lonely feeling you get when you think you've been left out of a thriving whatsapp group, which of course benjamin can identify, he still doesn't know that we've actually got saturday five actually got a saturday five whatsapp . whatsapp group. >> but anyway, now it turns out you can make money out of it. >> so benjamin is going to be in the plumber mark the money after plumber mark brosnan more than brosnan was awarded more than £130,000 in compensation in having not been included in a group which contained important safety information. well with me now to discuss this is the barrister and employment law specialist astra amir astra. thank you very much for your time. can you tell us briefly a little bit about this case and what the background was to it? >> hello. yes. so mr brosnan, as you said, was a plumber , and he you said, was a plumber, and he had he had a work injury. he injured his back . and as
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injured his back. and as a result , had a injured his back. and as a result, had a disability and he was off sick . and what his was off sick. and what his employer decided to do was to make a whatsapp group for all the employees and to impart important information on that. and part of it, which was health and safety information. and they decided to leave him out because he was off sick. and now so he brought a claim and it wasn't just because he was left out of the whatsapp group. he brought a claim for constructive dismissal and loads of other things. but the employer didn't turn up to court and they could have tried to justify leaving him out . they to justify leaving him out. they didn't dispute the evidence and he won his case. and as you said , for the overall case, he was awarded £130,000. so there are a couple of things that we can take from that case. first of all, it's not everybody who is going to be left out of a whatsapp group is going to be able to get £130,000 from it.
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it's very much on its own facts. it's very much on its own facts. it was just one small element of his claim and the employer didn't dispute it. he didn't they didn't try to defend it . they didn't try to defend it. the other thing that we should take away from it is that it's not binding on other courts. so just because this person was just because this person was just because this person was found to have been discriminated against, because he was left out , that doesn't mean that every other court has to make the same decision. it was only an employment tribunal. >> what does this mean then? >> so what does this mean then? >> so what does this mean then? >> have you had businesses getting in touch with you saying, oh my goodness , i'm saying, oh my goodness, i'm worried now that i haven't got all of my staff in a single whatsapp group and they're worried about extra additional cost all the rest of cost burdens and all the rest of it. is this something that businesses should be concerned about? this , you know, fear about? is this, you know, fear of missing out being a problem that actually impacts the balances of company books ? balances of company books? >> absolutely. that's a really good question. it does raise a lot of wider issues of having
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whatsapp groups. and i think since the pandemic and since people started working from home, there have been there's been an exponential rise in whatsapp groups for employees because people need to keep in touch , etcetera. and the touch, etcetera. and the difficulty for employers with whatsapp groups is that there unlike work emails or internet usage, they can't really control them and they can't monitor them because they're on people's private phones . so the employer private phones. so the employer might not necessarily know that there is a whatsapp group until something goes wrong . yeah. and something goes wrong. yeah. and something goes wrong. yeah. and so they have they have less control over that. and if somebody's left out , if the somebody's left out, if the reason they're left out is one of the protected reasons in the equality act. so for example, if they're left out because of their race or their gender, then that could be discrimination. but there's also the issue that there could be bullying or there could be harassment . so, for could be harassment. so, for example, there was there was
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another case in 2019 and somebody set up a whatsapp group and they they decided it was somebody called mr case , set up somebody called mr case, set up a whatsapp group, and he decided there was one employee he didn't like. so he left her out, right. and then he started making some comments about her when the employer found out they sacked mr case and the employment tribunal found that they were right to do that because what mr case had done was bullying behaviour. so what the employer really has to do is make sure that they have a policy in place , a whatsapp policy and they have to say what is and what isn't acceptable. >> another thing to think about, you know, businesses have got a lot on their plate, haven't they? but strohmier, thank you very much for your time and your explanation there that was the astro me, the barrister and employment on employment law specialist on whatsapp. now this is quite worrying, is it not? >> well, i'm worried to find out. >> there's a whatsapp group and
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i'm not in it. darren that's what's. >> well i haven't got £130,000 to i'm afraid. to give you, i'm afraid. >> am but i mean, do you think this is fair? >> because actually this is about a health issue that he wasn't aware of because it was shared in that way. and you know what? employers have a responsibility to give out the same everyone same information to everyone that them. that works with them. >> guess in that context >> yes. i guess in that context , it's fair. but i mean, the idea, though, that businesses , it's fair. but i mean, the ide.going|gh, that businesses , it's fair. but i mean, the ide.going |gh, thathaving sses , it's fair. but i mean, the ide.going|gh, thathaving to as are going to start having to say, oh, dear, i don't think linda from accounts is in this whatsapp . i mean, why told whatsapp group. i mean, why told her why? well i have why i sent out, thankfully we haven't got a linda an account but why would actually we add additional burdens onto employers is this not all getting a bit silly? there is so many hoops that employers have to go through and so many potential legal cases that can be brought for discrimination. >> and it's they end up paying these big payouts to just not go through the rigmarole of the court process. often in. but i will say that these groups not
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whatsapp, but groups that companies use like team games and slack and various others can be hotbeds of nastiness. do you remember the monzo story this was with the whole de—banking scandal of nigel farage, monzo, which is a digital bank. fantastic bank. but they were found to have had all of these awful conversations going on on, i think teams or slack it was reported anyway and this is what happens you can have bullying through the digital . you know, through the digital. you know, your boss can be slagging you off to someone else and it's not monitored. but this is this is well, this is the thing with with whatsapp and with other digital media you can you can see things you can make comments about people that you make about people that you maybe make in in the past. in the pub in the past. >> now you're putting them in whatsapp there is a whatsapp and then if there is a legal during disclosure legal case during the disclosure part of when the legal teams part of the when the legal teams are gathering all the data, they can request all the logs from all these things and then, you know, stuff can be revealed that
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can get you into trouble. can really get you into trouble. >> i think what's interesting is where the digital and the where does the digital and the physical physical end and where does life and personal life does work life and personal life end , you know, slack and teams, end, you know, slack and teams, they are they business chat they are they are business chat functions. whereas whatsapp, yes, some people might have a whatsapp group for work, but they also have a whatsapp group for their friends. and there might be a group of people who work together who also work together who are also friends, a whatsapp friends, who make a whatsapp group. how do decide group. so how do you decide whether it's an appropriate group. so how do you decide whether it grouprppropriate group. so how do you decide whether it grouprppinappropriate? whatsapp group or inappropriate? >> go. these >> well, there you go. these tribunals clearly decide. still to tonight , tribunals clearly decide. still to tonight, don't miss your to come tonight, don't miss your chance to flummox the five. we're questions we're taking your questions unfiltered the end of the unfiltered at the end of the show. we're going to show. but next, we're going to tackle five topics in bunch of five. include bedbugs five. and they include bedbugs invading france, pets being invading from france, pets being urged to go vegan and people getting charged just for sitting in deck chairs. this is britain. this is saturday, five live on gb news. stay with
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>> gb news radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. plenty of emails as always. barbara says. this is on our unpopular opinions, which were quite unpopular. some of them, barbara says. obviously benjamin buttennorth is so london centric , he doesn't london centric, he doesn't realise only londoners get free travel. at 60, the rest of us in more rural areas have to wait until we're 66 years old to get free travel on a service that barely exists . so how good. barely exists. so how good. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> there's your response. barbara joe, as benjamin keeps saying, i'm picking on you. sorry. as benjamin keeps pointing everything towards our elderly population, how best can we can we actually deal with this section in our society? are you talking about how we deal with the benjamin buttennorth section or the or the elderly population? not and on population? i'm not sure. and on the whatsapp issue, lionel says, gosh , we never to deal with gosh, we never had to deal with whatsapp groups working whatsapp groups in my working day. happened to day. what ever happened to people just talking one people just talking to one another and getting along well? this the thing. whatsapp
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this is the thing. whatsapp groups catty indeed, groups can be very catty indeed, but it's time now for bunch of five where we spin through five of the week's biggest stories and give our always welcome , and give our always welcome, considered and thoroughly thoughtful . all opinions. thoughtful. all opinions. >> yes and where better to start than with labour's plan for children to brush their teeth under supervision in schools. the scheme has been derided in some quarters, but you can't get a dental appointment for love nor money. these days our teeth are rotting away faster than you can say milk and two sugars, please. and some are please. and some people are resorting using their pliers. resorting to using their pliers. gosh to pull out their teeth . is gosh to pull out their teeth. is this a sensible attempt to tackle a national crisis? >> leo? >> leo? >> well, why don't they sell the pliers and go to the dentist with the money they got from selling the pliers? i mean, that's nothing. that's a bit dramatic, isn't it? and also i'm worried the state. the worried about the state. the state to encroaching on state seems to be encroaching on territory traditionally territory that has traditionally been of parents. been the preserve of parents. parents be teaching parents should be teaching their kids brush teeth. where kids to brush their teeth. where is end? are we is this going to end? are we going to have parents? >> going to have official
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>> are we going to have official government stasi officers coming >> are we going to have official governrand. stasi officers coming >> are we going to have official governrand teaching icers coming >> are we going to have official governrand teaching usrs coming >> are we going to have official governrand teaching us howning >> are we going to have official governrand teaching us how totg around and teaching us how to wipe our bums? >> i mean, you're not doing >> i mean, if you're not doing that, shouldn't a parent. that, you shouldn't be a parent. but not actually but if you're not actually telling your kid how to brush their have their teeth, britons have historically had bad teeth. >> clearly a nation which >> we are clearly a nation which doesn't dental hygiene doesn't take dental hygiene seriously. how many of you floss? yeah. >> i don't floss very >> okay. i don't floss very often. >> france was a dance >> i thought france was a dance move. >> i thought france was a dance mowell, and this is my >> well, exactly. and this is my point. people need to be taught good hygiene from young good dental hygiene from a young age aren't doing it. >> so unfortunately, the schools have to. >> are true. >> you are true. >> you are true. >> are pretty bad when it >> we are pretty bad when it comes to our teeth. if you look at the us, for example, they take much more care over their their gnashers. their pegs, over their gnashers. i a difficult one i think it's a difficult one because actually speaking because actually i was speaking to people who know more about this do, they said this than i do, and they said that actually been that this has actually been quite the past. in quite common in the past. in previous decades, dentists or nurses checked nurses came in and checked teeth. we really need teeth. but do we really need that in this in this day and age? it's not that hard age? surely it's not that hard to get a toothbrush to your kid. yeah but the thing is, there are some are some families that are dysfunctional they dysfunctional and maybe they shouldn't but they
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are. >> and those kids should be able to get into that routine. i think public health in doncaster already a scheme like this, already has a scheme like this, and the you talk and apparently the kids you talk about olds they about five year olds here, they loved come in and loved having them come in and teach how to brush their teach them how to brush their teeth. i think setting this routine not very expensive. it'll a good way. it'll get them in a good way. >> though, that if >> do you worry, though, that if we aggregate more more we aggregate more and more responsible they responsible to parents, they will actually will feel like they actually don't be responsible parents? >> so you add thing on top >> so you add one thing on top of another. and also, should we make blanket policies based on a small of poor parents small proportion of poor parents as in poor as in not good as in poor as in not very good parents, responsible parents, not very responsible parents? i think parents? i'm not sure. i think it's difficult one because we it's a difficult one because we also want people's teeth also don't want people's teeth falling out. >> if only out of five >> but if only one out of five people on this panel flosses, clearly the problem clearly the scale of the problem is huge. >> i all find two out of >> i and we all find two out of five floss oh, come on. >> the teachers aren't we >> the teachers aren't going. we all be. all need to be. >> well, i'm i'm just >> well, i'm just i'm just making the point that we don't take dental take our dental hygiene seriously. take our dental hygiene serido ily. take our dental hygiene serido;ly. use interdental sticks? >> well, no, i floss. well, there you go. >> only one of us is into dental sticks, right? >> right, well, >> well, right, well, well, well. enough of that. let
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well. that's enough of that. let us know what you think home us know what you think at home about toothbrushing supervision us know what you think at home ab schools. |brushing supervision us know what you think at home ab schools. |bruslet's supervision us know what you think at home abschools.|bruslet's supeourion in schools. but let's turn our attention to the conservative, shall they've been shall we? because they've been holding this holding their conference this week. of big news week. and one of the big news stories has been the announcement that far from going to even manchester, the to leeds or even manchester, the hs2 will be hs2 rail project will be stopping birmingham. don't stopping at birmingham. we don't even it's going even know where it's going to land so i'll be i'll land in london. so i'll be i'll ask you , the money be going ask you, the money will be going to transport projects to other transport projects around that's what the around britain. that's what the prime minister insists . it's prime minister insists. it's others have sort of been pulling pulling at these plans and actually revealing that they're not that fantastic . but do you not that fantastic. but do you think sensible move or no? >> i think it's absolutely appalling. and i think i think history will judge rishi sunak very not only very poorly for not only cancelling the manchester leg of hs2 , but cancelling the leeds hs2, but cancelling the leeds leg of hs2 for cutting northern powerhouse rail. what the conservatives had a plan for at the 2019 general election was a new 21st century rail network for britain , which was going to for britain, which was going to take trains off local rail networks to allow for more commuter trains, allow for more
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freight on the rails and get people around this country more quickly . and it wasn't just quickly. and it wasn't just about london. it was about bradford. it was about leeds. it was about doncaster, it was about sheffield, it was about manchester. was about manchester. it was about liverpool. about and liverpool. it was about hull and rishi sunak has, has, has destroyed this project and history will not judge him well for it. is it him that's destroyed it or have management and successive governments destroyed it? >> leo yeah, i think the ballooning cost because the original cost was billion, original cost was 38 billion, which like lot , but it which sounds like a lot, but it ballooned 100 billion. but ballooned to 100 billion. but what mistake i think rishi what the mistake i think rishi has is he's, he's closing has made is he's, he's closing down bits that would be the down the bits that would be the cheapest to and bring the cheapest to build and bring the most benefit. routes the most benefit. the routes in the south—east and route between south—east and the route between london birmingham, they're london and birmingham, they're pretty well served. they're not too but it's when you too expensive, but it's when you get up to manchester and when you get up to glasgow, that's when when train trains when that's when train trains are slower. yeah, we could be going to scotland in 2 hours or 2 hours. not not a lot of people would want to, but. >> but it's good to get out of
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scotland because we did. >> yeah. people could live in glasgow and commute to london. >> rather be scotland >> i'd rather be in scotland than birmingham, to be honest. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> how many people are we >> gosh, how many people are we going who are watching going to insult who are watching from in scotland? from birmingham in scotland? i love and have lovely love scotland and i have lovely family up there. >> suella braverman >> benjamin suella braverman spent the last year shouting stop the boats. i think rishi sunak the sunak misheard and stopped the trains that's what trains instead. that's what we've here. we've got here. >> doesn't sound like boats. >> yeah, it doesn't really work with. >> right. next topic. bedbugs paris is apparently awash with the little critters and bedbugs and there are concerns they could hop across the channel and start plaguing us over here. some experts are even saying the problem is already just as bad in london, but a stiff upper lip . brits are not talking about it much. well, here we are talking about it, giving it some air time . abby, have you ever had time. abby, have you ever had any strange creatures in your bed? no >> no comment? no comment at all. but look, on the issue on theissue all. but look, on the issue on the issue of bedbugs, which is actually quite a serious issue. >> if we are expecting a swarm
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of bedbugs to be crossing the channel of bedbugs to be crossing the channel, hopefully suella braverman can stop them. what would give you that idea? >> she isn't able to stop anything coming across the channel i've actually had bedbugs before when i lived on edgware road and. oh my god, they're. they're horrific. they're not like little things that just bite you or whatever. and i didn't even know i was. i was bitten. then my was being bitten. but then my girlfriend stay and she was being bitten. but then my girlfall|d stay and she was being bitten. but then my girlfall these, stay and she was being bitten. but then my girlfall these, like, itay and she was being bitten. but then my girlfall these, like, welts1d she was being bitten. but then my girlfall these, like, welts all he had all these, like, welts all over her body. and we were like, what's going on? and then we turned over. we thought there might turned over the might be bugs turned over the mattress and things are mattress and these things are biblical. it's like a bush tucker in own bed. tucker trial in your own bed. >> taste horrific. >> they taste horrific. >> they taste horrific. >> you put your >> how did you put your girlfriend through that? >> didn't mean to wash >> well, it didn't mean to wash your your ex—girlfriend your wash your ex—girlfriend about . about washing. >> get rid of that. you could just wash them. >> you just, like wash under your pits with a bit of soap. and the bedbugs disappear. >> so what you have to do, do you have to throw out your m attress? >> you mattress? >> you basically have to burn your house to the ground.
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>> it's insane. i had to get diatomaceous dust. i had to get all these chemicals. think all these chemicals. i think you've everybody you've just offended everybody in okay, when in france, but okay, just when we thought measures to protect in france, but okay, just when we planett measures to protect in france, but okay, just when we planet couldn'tes to protect in france, but okay, just when we planet couldn'tes t(more5ct the planet couldn't get more ridiculous, come up with ridiculous, they've come up with something else. >> that pets should >> a study says that pets should be vegan diets order to be fed vegan diets in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from industry. from the meat industry. incredibly, case be incredibly, there's a case to be made apparently as it made for this. apparently as it turns out, that the production of dog food generates of meat based dog food generates more greenhouse than the more greenhouse gases than the whole output of the uk . or so whole output of the uk. or so this study claims . whole output of the uk. or so this study claims. ipp. whole output of the uk. or so this study claims . ipp. should this study claims. ipp. should we make our pooches go veggie? >> well, look, i'm more of a cat person than a dog person, and i know that cats have to eat meat, so this wouldn't work for cats, but it might work for dogs because they can have because they can actually have these vegetarian diets . emily these vegetarian diets. emily you a dog. would your you have a dog. so would your dog. your parents dog dog. would your parents dog rather like being on a vegan diet? absolutely not. >> loves cheese and he loves >> he loves cheese and he loves his. do you know what he really loves? christmas time, he loves? at christmas time, he gets special tin and is gets a special tin and it is a christmas dinner in a tin. so it's got everything in there, you know, a bit of what do you
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have turkey? turkey stuffing have on turkey? turkey stuffing , a bit of potato. >> are there and blankets? >> are there pigs and blankets? >> are there pigs and blankets? >> blankets , those as >> pigs in blankets, those as well . well. >> but even you must admit that this is all going a bit mad. >> i mean, the gases that come from your mouth are probably, you know, more of a threat to britain than our dogs. and cats. >> this time last year. exactly. this time last went this time last year, i went vegan for about two months. it was partly for a project i was working wouldn't have done working on. i wouldn't have done it othennise. you know what it othennise. but you know what i felt so better. i felt so much better. >> i thought me that >> i thought you told me that you really tired and you got really tired and i fainted. couldn't get off. say i was so skinny . he was so skinny. was so skinny. he was so skinny. nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. that's benjamin's motto. but last and definitely least, how much would you pay to sit on a deck chair in a public park? absolutely nothing . i hear you absolutely nothing. i hear you cry. and that's why social media users have been outraged to see chairs cropping up in public spaces which can be rented for
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guess what, £3 an hour for £11 for a day. and you can even get your hands on a season ticket for a whopping £150. pounds is that a snip? leo i think . that a snip? leo i think. >> why can't people just sit in the grass if you don't want to? i mean, i'm a capitalist if you don't want to vote entirely, pay for a deck chair, don't pay for a deck chair. the deck chair wouldn't there unless people wouldn't be there unless people were paying for it. >> you think is a you >> so you think this is a you know, it's probably the local authority, council, a authority, the local council, a little why not little money maker. why not charge? things are charge? and these things are usually central london, usually in central london, aren't they? so they're charging tourists mainly. >> green and >> yeah. green park. and there's not get for £3 not much you can get for £3 in central know, central london. so you know, that even get you a bit that wouldn't even get you a bit of a bit of lettuce on an m&s sandwich. >> but let us know at home, are these cropping all over the these cropping up all over the country? i've seen country? because i've only seen them green park by them in in green park by buckingham palace. >> be found one that >> and if i'll be found one that was had the was blue and had the conservative party logo on it and it said safe seat across it, you'd be than happy pay you'd be more than happy to pay and down that one, and sit down in that one, wouldn't you?
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>> nothing i wouldn't >> there's nothing i wouldn't pay >> there's nothing i wouldn't pay seat. pay for a seat. >> darren. but i actually agree with with darren on this. darren with on this point. look, at with leo on this point. look, at the end of the day, it is a capitalist world and if a council or a or a businessman is going to say, could make some going to say, i could make some money of selling deckchair money out of selling deckchair time , then good on them. well, time, then good on them. well, you know what happens. >> have people sneaking >> you have people sneaking and seeing how they can sit on seeing how long they can sit on the chair without getting the deck chair without getting in trouble. they've had in trouble. i think they've had to putting them in chains. to start putting them in chains. >> wonder if i if >> so i just wonder if i if i haven't paid my £3 chair fee and i go sit down, what are they i go and sit down, what are they going to physically drag me off? yeah, they do. >> how they do that? >> how do they do that? >> how do they do that? >> they do it. if >> but they can't do it. if you're woman because that you're a woman because that would a hate crime. would be a hate crime. >> anyway, look, still >> well, anyway, look, still ahead, all to going ahead, we're all to going be answering questions answering your questions in flummox in one more flummox the five and in one more thing, give our final thing, we'll give our final thoughts tonight'stopics. thoughts on tonight's topics. >> but coming up, business secretary kemi badenoch says there's no place in the world better to be black. and modern britain . was she right? we'll be britain. was she right? we'll be joined another great guest. joined by another great guest. you're the saturday five
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radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five cheers for your company. now i want you to keep your questions coming in for flummox the five that's going to be coming up before the end of the show. though, time for show. now though, it's time for our of this evening. our next guest of this evening. some talking points some interesting talking points coming of the tory party coming out of the tory party conference, sarah and emily. >> yeah, i think you're right. there certainly are amongst all of noise around bans of the noise around smoking bans and kemi badenoch knox said and hs2 kemi badenoch knox said in her speech that britain is the best country in the world to be black. now this comes after home secretary suella braverman said only a couple of weeks ago that multiculturalism has failed. and once again appears to be some disagreement within the tory party, although i'm not sure that is direct disagreement, but we'll find out from our next guest who is
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raqeeb ahsan , dr. raqeeb ahsan, raqeeb ahsan, dr. raqeeb ahsan, who is the author of beyond grievance what the left gets wrong ethnic minorities . wrong about ethnic minorities. so he is extremely well placed to talk on this point. ken, we got hierarchy. ken we got a lot of pushback on this, but is britain the best place to be a black person? >> well , those who oppose kemi >> well, those who oppose kemi badenoch views , i'd ask them, badenoch views, i'd ask them, name one country where a black person would enjoy a greater national package of demographic demographic , democratic freedoms demographic, democratic freedoms , legal protections, social stability and economic opportunities . i think what she opportunities. i think what she said was largely correct. i think in the western european context post brexit, britain comfortable , she outperforms comfortable, she outperforms other countries such as germany . other countries such as germany , the netherlands, france, spain and italy when it comes to providing anti—discrimination protections on the grounds of race, ethnicity and religion . race, ethnicity and religion. >> and now i'll be here, who's very interested in race
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relations in this country, i think has a question for you. >> raqeeb raqeeb another thing which happened in the news of course, was a controversy which has fiona bruce for has surrounds fiona bruce for identifying one of the people who was asking a question on question time as that black guy over there. do you think that controversy was justified if someone described you as that asian guy , would find that asian guy, would you find that offensive ? offensive? >> well, i'm asian , and i think >> well, i'm asian, and i think that if that was a useful way to point me out in the crowd, then i'm very proud of my asian identity . so it takes a lot to identity. so it takes a lot to offend me. and that wouldn't offend me. and that wouldn't offend me. and that wouldn't offend me if truth be told, is it a case of political correct gone mad ? gone mad? >> and why is it that people do find it offensive just to be described as asian or black? even though i am black and you are asian? and if emily was to describe me as that black guy, i wouldn't be offended. why do you think people are offended by it? >> well , it's quite often the >> well, it's quite often the people are offended are people who are offended are
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those emphasise those who usually emphasise their identity . and i their minority identity. and i think that if you're so incredibly proud of your minority identity, then why all of a sudden , if someone refers of a sudden, if someone refers to you to that particular element of your personal identity? so i think there's somewhat of a contradiction there . there. >> thank you very much indeed , >> thank you very much indeed, dr. rakib ehsan thank you very much indeed for your time. interesting one that, isn't it? alvi the fiona bruce insult, isn't that black guy? because maybe it does sound a bit abrupt in this day and age. what do you think? >> darren well, in that i agree with what raqib said in the context of the crowd , the guy, context of the crowd, the guy, what could she have said ? what could she have said? >> the guy with the blue t shirt on? it wouldn't have been a very good way of pinpointing who she was talking about. but i assume i didn't watch it. i don't watch the bbc, assume he was . he the bbc, but i assume he was. he was the only black guy. wasn't. >> well, maybe the only >> well, maybe not the only black but i guess >> well, maybe not the only black buti guess does black guy, but i guess it does feel a bit politically incorrect to say that black guy over there
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when wouldn't say it to you when you wouldn't say it to you or leo. you would though, to or to benjamin. imagine if someone said that gay guy over there, would that be offensive? >> i think, you know, fiona bruce that would bruce said that she would usually someone's usually refer to someone's clothing. might say for clothing. so i might say for leo, know, person leo, you know, the person wearing curtains over wearing my nan's curtains over there clearly identify who there would clearly identify who i give your nan my i meant and give your nan my regards. but look, you know , regards. but look, you know, this person didn't say they were offended . she volunteered to offended. she volunteered to ring him personally to ring him up personally to apologise apologise publicly apologise and apologise publicly . and maybe there's sometimes an anxiety about this that isn't really there. that's really nice. >> from you, benjamin, because you often see, you know, oppression and offence where it doesn't necessary exist. and to your point, if i was in a crowd of mostly asian or mostly black people, they might be, say, the white woman with the ginger hair. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. let's see what people at home think. >> i think it would draw more attention to the fact if you tiptoe around the fact that, you know, is the thing that know, this is the thing that would quickly easily
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would quickly and easily identify i think you identify that man, i think you even why isn't it even said, man, why isn't it offensive that's offensive to say, man, that's a that's gender classification. that's a gender classification. >> badenoch just very >> kemi badenoch just very quickly , i surprised that quickly, i was surprised that she said that britain was the best country in the world to be black. but last week we were talking about the black british voices survey that found over 50% of black aren't proud voices survey that found over 50 be)f black aren't proud voices survey that found over 50 be british. aren't proud to be british. >> stuff. okay. right. >> sad stuff. okay. right. >> sad stuff. okay. right. >> ahead, roll up. roll >> still ahead, roll up. roll up. we're about to answer questions from you. our wonderful in flummox, wonderful viewers in flummox, the plus our final thoughts the five plus our final thoughts in you're with in one more thing. you're with the saturday live on
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gb news on mark dolan tonight. >> we'll bring you the latest on the tragic scenes playing out in israel with voices in the field and top analysis closer to home. in my big opinion , as the police in my big opinion, as the police give into gender madness. let's be clear there is no such thing as a female rapist, and it might take a ten irish premier, leo varadkar says britain is disengaging from the world.
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rubbish. he's disengaged from reality. we're live from . reality. we're live from. nine >> welcome back to the saturday five. now then it is finally time for flummox the five where you wonderful viewers set the agenda. thanks very much for sending in all your questions. we haven't seen them in advance, so goodness knows what you have written i'm to get the written in. i'm going to get the ball this question ball rolling with this question from um, sandra says , from, um, sandra. sandra says, if you could choose any politician to be the new government leader to get things done, who would it be? benjamin . for me, this is easy because i think a new tony blair is in parliament right now, and that's wes streeting, the shadow health secretary >> i think he should be prime minister. >> leo i think suella braverman should be prime minister. >> i like the cut of her jib. i >> i like the cut of herjib. i think she talks a lot of sense and she can make things happen. >> darren suella braverman i
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think she's the voice of a nafion think she's the voice of a nation to suella bravermans i'm going say myself because going to say myself because i think be fantastic prime minister. >> i'm not yet the you know, >> i'm not yet on the you know, i'm yet on that track, but i'm not yet on that track, but i'll be. what do you think? >> i think it would have to be either badenoch or penny either kemi badenoch or penny mordaunt. excellent mordaunt. who are excellent conservatives in the conservative and should conservative party and should have final ballot. have been on the final ballot. members last year. yeah, members put out last year. yeah, liz rishi, wouldn't mind liz and rishi, i wouldn't mind kemi to be fair. >> now our next question comes from malcolm. says, from malcolm. malcolm says, what is of the five on kevin is the view of the five on kevin keegan's comments about female pundits, women pundits ? oh, pundits, women pundits? oh, that's a tricky one. abby what do you think? >> well, i think that you don't have to be from a certain group of people in order to comment on that group of people. >> i think anyone can talk about anything. so i don't necessarily think male pundits can think only male pundits can comment sports. yeah but comment on male sports. yeah but former footballers , former male former footballers, former male footballers who've played for england have probably got a better idea of what it's like to play better idea of what it's like to play for england as a male footballer than the women's
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team. >> i just just different women are different than men. >> i mean, as a woman, as a woman, i don't really find it offensive. like he's entitled to his own opinion and it is his opinion . i think it's quite opinion. i think it's quite remarkable that it became such a talking point. but that is the world we live in, isn't it? >> leah yeah, and if you look at the whole interview, the context, what he said, he was actually some very actually saying some very progressive wasn't progressive things. he wasn't being sort of , progressive things. he wasn't being sort of, you progressive things. he wasn't being sort of , you know, being the sort of, you know, throwback dinosaur misogynist dinosaur that he's being painted as. ridiculous . as. it's ridiculous. >> the more you have >> i think the more you have alex scott, the former women's football think she football player, i think she could commentate on any football game, female. she's well game, male or female. she's well , going to say something , i'm going to say something controversial because watching the sports the what used to be bt sports these is like watching an these days is like watching an episode loose women. episode of loose women. >> but never mind. episode of loose women. >> another er mind. episode of loose women. >> another question here from now we should make misogyny a hate crime . hate crime. >> so here we go. here we go. >> so here we go. here we go. >> ian asks, why do the tories insist on making up stuff like the meat tax? do they think the pubuc the meat tax? do they think the public are actually that stupid?
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>> yes, they do . >> yes, they do. >> yes, they do. >> you think they think the public? >> i think our politicians think we're stupid. they don't think we're stupid. they don't think we can see through what they say . they don't think we can see through their propaganda and they don't think that we can see through their their spin. but what i will say the meat what i will say about the meat tax the meat tax has been tax is the meat tax has been proposed by public health lobbyists. has been something lobbyists. it has been something that has been discussed , at that has been discussed, at least among politicians, even if it actually a yes. it wasn't actually a yes. >> the threat apparently the threat that labour will bring threat is that labour will bring in a meat tax right. >> but then you know how vegan food is always disguised to look like you could get like burgers? you could just get sirloin disguise it to sirloin steak and disguise it to look cauliflower. well is look like cauliflower. well is that what you're going to ben? >> that's that's the kind >> well, that's that's the kind of insight we pay for. leo >> look, you know, i think emily's right. take the emily's right. they take the pubuc emily's right. they take the public idiots, it kind emily's right. they take the puworks idiots, it kind emily's right. they take the puworks because it kind emily's right. they take the puworks because then. kind emily's right. they take the puworks because then everyone of works because then everyone sits programs this and sits on programs like this and other a meat tax other ones debating a meat tax and whether labour would do it. it never suggested. it was never suggested. >> think it might be coming >> i think it might be coming though think it might though about i think it might be coming. though about i think it might be conand from george.
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>> and finally from george. george asks what with the by—election scotland, george asks what with the by—thinkon scotland, george asks what with the by—think labour scotland, george asks what with the by—think labour ston and, george asks what with the by—think labour ston course you think labour are on course to the next general to win the next general election? it does seem like it's going that way unless you know, the party conference is the labour party conference is an absolute stinker here. i can't tories winning. can't see the tories winning. >> look, it was a very, very low turnout, right? it's lower than a buttennorth birthday a benjamin buttennorth birthday party. don't we can party. so i don't think we can i don't think we can take this too serious . serious. >> darren will turn up to the opening of an envelope by birthday. >> look, i think that the labour is going to win an extra 30 seats in scotland and a lot of people in westminster haven't realised that rewrites the road to downing street favour of to downing street in favour of keir starmer. to downing street in favour of keiii'mrrmer. to downing street in favour of keiii'mrrmesure i'm to going be >> i'm not sure i'm to going be invited benjamin invited to benjamin buttennorth's night buttennorth's election night party, left party, but anyway, not long left on show thank you for on the show now. thank you for your by the way. i your questions, by the way. i really enjoyed those. they were great. not long left the show great. not long left on the show now, has any now, so if anyone has any burning they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speakey still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now ill want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now or want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now or forever to bring up speak now or forever hold your peace. it is time for one thing. this is where we one more thing. this is where we briefly have our final say. now, benjamin , i feel we've probably benjamin, i feel we've probably heard enough from you already, benjamin, i feel we've probably
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hea what)ugh from you already, benjamin, i feel we've probably hea what else from you already, benjamin, i feel we've probably hea what else don you already, benjamin, i feel we've probably hea what else do you u already, benjamin, i feel we've probably hea what else do you havezady, benjamin, i feel we've probably hea what else do you have on y, but what else do you have on your mind? but what else do you have on youwell,d? but what else do you have on youwell, i’ but what else do you have on youwell, i have to confess, >> well, i have to confess, someone emailed in saying that you bus pass at you don't get your bus pass at 60 in england. and so i've learned that i apologise to them. think that them. i just think that everywhere else should be as old as is in the english as it is in the english counties. as it is in the english cou leo s. as it is in the english cou leo you're one more thing. >> leo you're one more thing. >> leo you're one more thing. >> i was actually shocked by albee saying that 45% of the demand for housing comes from immigration. he was trying to make the point that it's not that much. that's a huge amount like to considering that last year we issued a million visas in a country of what, 65 million people. and that's still almost half of the housing demand came from those people. i think that really shows the impact that that, you know, our sort of unfettered immigration policy has on people's standard of living in the uk. >> well, there you go. final word, leo um. darren. >> well, i've learned that albee thinks we're all scruffy beggars for not flossing our teeth on a night . you are. and i'm going to night. you are. and i'm going to go home tonight and make a pledge. i will. i will floss my
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teeth. and that's all. >> floss our teeth. tonight i mean, he's got nothing else to do, so i'm not. >> i know, i know. >> i know, i know. >> i know, i know. >> i said i would make a great leader of this country. >> i didn't really mean it, but my one more thing tonight that i have sayis my one more thing tonight that i have say is that i am, in have to say is that i am, in fact, sleeping in the studio tonight because tomorrow am tonight because tomorrow i am back till three for gb news back one till three for gb news sunday the very sunday to bring you the very latest and lots of serious and light—hearted journalism for you. do in you. so please do tune in tomorrow . tomorrow. >> i'll be shameless plug there . emily. my one more thing would be that all dogs should go vegan. because if all the meat which is produced for dogs is the same the uk's emissions, the same as the uk's emissions, it means we wouldn't have to get to well i mean, the to net zero. well i mean, the poor dogs. >> the dogs, the poor dogs. no christmas vegan christmas dinner for bob, but no net zero. >> we could stay with our boilers, but the dogs might die and also, what about what about the emissions from the dog? >> the dogs going to be if >> the dogs are going to be if they feed beans, they just feed them beans, they're going be farting all they're going to be farting all night long. >> know, actually, pip
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>> do you know, actually, pip tomson, who presents this tomson, who presents on this channel, she actually wrote something this. dog something about this. her dog has to vegan for health reasons. >> oh, well, there we are on that we'll leave that bombshell. we'll leave it there. our special there. thanks to our special guest the brilliant leo guest tonight, the brilliant leo kearse. up, it's the kearse. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan, sir. don't miss that. cheers very much for watching we'll see you next watching us. we'll see you next week. first up, let's get week. but first up, let's get your latest from your latest weather from jonathan . jonathan. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news? weather forecast provided by the met office. today's weather was a contrast from north to south and that will be continuing into sunday as well. and high pressure is situated close towards southern areas of the uk, allowing things be uk, allowing things to be relatively and also relatively settled and also importing rather warm air. importing some rather warm air. but it's this trailing frontal system across areas of scotland thatis system across areas of scotland that is continuing bring that is continuing to bring outbreaks heavy and outbreaks of heavy and persistent and amber persistent rain and amber warning is still in force until the early hours of sunday morning. do continue to take care if you are travelling here as there be further as there will be further disruption times elsewhere, disruption at times elsewhere, it be a relatively mild it will be a relatively mild night underneath clouds night underneath all the clouds and temperatures generally
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around 12 14 c might drop around 12 to 14 c might drop into figures in some into single figures in some valleys sheltered areas . the valleys and sheltered areas. the rain across scotland will spread from the outer hebrides, then into of highlands. into parts of the highlands. aberdeenshire, murray over towards the northern isles. a little on in the day we'll little later on in the day we'll be cloudy to start off be quite cloudy to start off sunday across eastern areas of england, a few brighter england, but a few brighter spells and england, but a few brighter spellthe and england, but a few brighter spellthe clears and england, but a few brighter spellthe clears across and once the mist clears across southern areas of england and wales as well, we will see some sunshine in sunshine and temperatures in that climb towards that sunshine will climb towards 24 c, above where we 24 c, notably above where we should time of year. should be for the time of year. looking fonnard to monday then and a relatively and it will be a relatively cloudy particularly and it will be a relatively cloudywestern particularly and it will be a relatively cloudywestern particwhere we'll across western areas where we'll see some cloud pushing in across coastal its way coastal areas might make its way further as well, further inland as well, providing outbreaks providing some drizzly outbreaks at times the best of the sunshine further towards the south and where again, it south and east, where again, it will quite warm for the time will be quite warm for the time of year. temperatures though, will the way as we will be on the way down as we head throughout the next week
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by >> good evening. i'm rae addison in the newsroom. our top story this evening, prime minister benjamin netanyahu says israel will take mighty vengeance against the terrorist organisation hamas after more than 200 israelis were killed and 1100 injured due to a surprise attack. nearly 200 palestinians have also subsequently died after hamas fired thousands of rockets and gunmen crossed the border. local news reported israeli civilians in border towns barricading
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themselves into their homes and pleading for help. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places, including tunnels . netanyahu said hamas tunnels. netanyahu said hamas wants to murder us all. >> what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again. the entire government is behind this decision . the idf will decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas's capable cities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for black day that they for this black day that they have forced on state of have forced on the state of israel its citizens . israel and its citizens. >> dozens of hamas terrorists have been stopped by israeli naval personnel . according to naval personnel. according to israel's defence forces . warning israel's defence forces. warning for those watching on tv, you may find the following footage distressing . earlier this distressing. earlier this morning, the idf pursued dozens of terrorists along the southern maritime area as they tried to enter israeli territory via the water. soldiers opened fire on the militants successfully destroying four vessels. hamas
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