and company on your tv online, and digital radio. >> so coming this hour, it is >> so coming up this hour, it is the start of the labour party conference. it's kicked off today in liverpool . a cautiously today in liverpool. a cautiously confident keir starmer says labour are bang on schedule to win the next general election. but if starmer right to be this confident with the general election still a year away, then an the death toll continues to rise as fighting between the israeli military and hamas continues in territory near gaza. through these attacks , gaza. through these attacks, hamas have killed at least 300 israelis throughout the day. skate back into gaza with dozens of citizen is being held hostage. we'll be bringing you the very latest. and coming up at the end of the hour, new uk guidance says the uk should retain, but explain statues of slave traders . keep the statues, slave traders. keep the statues, but make a conscious effort to explain the historical context as to why they are there . is as to why they are there. is that the right compromise ? and that the right compromise? and please do as always, get in touch. send us your thoughts on gb views at gbnews.com. send me

a message on our socials. we're at gb news. but first, let's get the news with theo . the news with theo. >> good afternoon. it's 1:01. theo chikomba in the newsroom is wales. prime minister says his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take. might vengeance after more than 400 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. more than 313 palestinian orphans have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. the israeli military say they are still fighting hamas in eight areas near gaza . hamas in eight areas near gaza. hamas in eight areas near gaza. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places . the being held in secure places. the prime minister warned those in gaza to leave begum what happened today has never been

seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not happen again. >> the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas capabilities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and its citizens i >> speaking to gb news, israel's deputy ambassador to the uk , deputy ambassador to the uk, oren marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks. >> this girl . and she has blood >> this girl. and she has blood all over her body , grabbing her all over her body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shoved her into a car and her eyes petrified wide eyes, thinking what are going to do to me ? what kind of people commit me? what kind of people commit this atrocity to other people , this atrocity to other people, to children ? these are the

to children? these are the terrorists we are dealing with . terrorists we are dealing with. >> home secretary suella braverman has said she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas. it comes after videos have emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags while clapping in celebration. immigration minister robert jenrick shared one of the videos posted to social media. he described those celebrating as disgusting and sad and said there is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas . terrorist activities of hamas. in a statement, scotland yard said the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. speaking to gb news transport secretary mark harper also condemned the celebrations. >> mass is , of course, >> mass is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation in the united kingdom, so anybody expressing support for it is committing an offence. and i would hope that the metropolitan police will

investigate carefully any reports of anybody doing so and will take all the necessary steps aftennards as a protest to briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event. >> this morning, he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open their event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government has never been so unified and so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefit them .

where it benefit them. >> and staying with labour, the party says it would use counter—terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous, violent offenders in england and wales. it's part of labour's mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says officers will be able to hold to use relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk by using all their tools at their disposal . a tools at their disposal. a significant quantity of what is thought to be cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire . the dorset and hampshire. the national crime agency is investigating after a fisherman discovered holdalls containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea of purbeck. more washed up on a beach in isle of wight. the nca says the class a drugs would have originated in south america. they're urging the pubuc america. they're urging the public to report any similar packages to the local police

force . this packages to the local police force. this is gb news packages to the local police force . this is gb news across force. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to gb news . sunday now it's back to gb news. sunday >> thanks very much. theo. now the labour party conference has kicked off today in liverpool. there's a cautiously confident keir starmer, who says labour are bang on schedule to win the next general election. he's told conference goers this is where we intend to answer the question why is labour so? joining me now is our gb news deputy political editor tom hannood . tom, you're editor tom hannood. tom, you're up in liverpool yesterday. you're in london for the reform party conference. quickly up there in liverpool. now angela rayner has delivered an opening speech to conference. any key takeaways ? takeaways? >> it's interesting , of course. >> it's interesting, of course. >> it's interesting, of course. >> angela rayner focusing in on perhaps what the conservative

party didn't talk about last week in manchester, where one of the watchwords from angela rayner's speech today was housing. >> now perhaps that's no surprise. >> she is now the shadow housing secretary and of course the labour party has been briefing about making housing a large part of its policy offer. >> of course , we're still yet to >> of course, we're still yet to see a great deal of detail when it comes to what the labour party is proposing , it comes to what the labour party is proposing, and we may well hear some more in the final day of this conference or the penultimate day, should i say, with with sir keir starmer's big speech. but ultimately what the labour party has been doing successfully over the last 12 months is perhaps winning by default. >> now we know that this poll lead that the labour party has built up is not aethereal. we saw that in the general in the by—election in in rutherglen and hamilton west just on thursday , hamilton west just on thursday, where the labour party has been

trying to win seats and has opportunities to. it certainly has been. it is definitely ahead in the polls , but the question in the polls, but the question is why is it ahead in the polls? >> is it simply winning by default? >> because people have turned off the tories? >> or is it winning with a positive message? and i think that's the question that the labour party has to answer over the next four days here in liverpool . liverpool. >> what can they have as a positive offer to the country thatis positive offer to the country that is more than just we're not the other guys . the other guys. >> another line that's come out this morning, keir starmer doing the media rounds, he was asked about the government's rwanda migrant plan . he seemed to migrant plan. he seemed to confirm that he would reverse it even if the supreme court rules it to be legal and even if it appears to work . appears to work. >> yes. and this is a shift in position from the labour party, which up until now has been arguing that it is unworkable and that is why they would not pursue it.

>> they've been dancing around the head of the pin on the issue, and yet right now we're heanng issue, and yet right now we're hearing calls nearer lines from the labour party on this issue that they feel bold enough to say they would reverse it . now, say they would reverse it. now, to one extent, it wouldn't be the most seismic issue to reverse this policy, because after all, the number of spaces in rwanda that have been reserved for those that arrive by small boats on the shores of south east england are not commensurate with the numbers that are arriving, i.e. if we filled up every single spot in rwanda that we have reserved, there would still be a large number of people with which we would not know what to do . and would not know what to do. and so i suppose the labour party's argument there is that this is a distract an this is a gimmick. what the government would say to that, however, is that this is not about the numbers that are sent, this is about the deterrent capability of this policy. this is about the chance that you arrive by small boat

that if you arrive by small boat to the southeastern coast of england, you might well be sent to rwanda. that's what the government would of government would say. but of course, this argument has now become more clear dividing become a more clear dividing line between the conservative party and the labour party, and that's what we've seen over the last week or so . more clear last week or so. more clear dividing lines. last week or so. more clear dividing lines . we're seeing dividing lines. we're seeing more clear blue water between these two parties. and that can only tell us one thing. we are approaching. well, we might even be in what we might describe as a long general election campaign i >> now, tom, the subject of israel—palestine is often hotly debated at labour conferences. how do we see this playing out? has it in any way so far ? has it in any way so far? >> it's interesting . outside the >> it's interesting. outside the labour party conference, there are protesters, pro—palestinian protesters waving flags, handing out leaflets inside the labour party conference. however, it is a lot more muted. let's not forget that a lot of those that

are the most fervent anti—israel campaigners have been expelled from the labour party in the last two or so years. this is a very different feel inside the labour party conference than it felt like in 2019. i remember that conference when delegates under jeremy corbyn got out palestinian flags and sort of swarmed the conference floor there with a big display in anti—israel feeling . that is anti—israel feeling. that is certainly less the case now . certainly less the case now. senior members of the shadow cabinet saying the words israel has a right to defend itself, words that i think we would never have heard from the previous iteration of the labour party's leadership. however, on the conference floor there is perhaps a more muted level of protest. some individuals , and i protest. some individuals, and i think quite a few delegates here, not a majority by any means, but quite a few delegates here have lanyards with palestinian flags on them. now, whether or not that's a show of support , of direct support for

support, of direct support for the terrorism that took place yesterday , i would question yesterday, i would question i don't think that that's the general feeling here, but certainly there is still a strong strain in the labour party that feels that the palestinian struggle is something they identify with . something they identify with. >> well, thank you very much indeed. tom hannood there live from liverpool. the labour party conference. of course our conference. he is, of course our gb news deputy political editor. so with me in the studio i have political commentator joe phillips and i also have the leader of the heritage party, david kirton, with me. thank you very much indeed for joining david kirton, with me. thank you very much indeed forjoining me. we've heard direct from the labour party conference there, tom hannood, our deputy labour party conference there, tom hareditorour deputy labour party conference there, tom hareditor .jr deputy labour party conference there, tom hareditor . thereuty labour party conference there, tom hareditor . there seems to political editor. there seems to be a positive feeling at the conference this year. >> well, i mean, all conferences try to produce a positive feeling for the people who are there on the ground, obviously. >> but what i would look at is their policies and are they going to do anything different to what we've over last going to do anything different to years. we've over last going to do anything different to years. ande over last going to do anything different to years. and from over last going to do anything different to years. and from what last going to do anything different to years. and from what we last going to do anything different to years. and from what we had

13 years. and from what we had in the 13 years before that with tony blair? and i look at their policies and looks like more policies and it looks like more wokeist, climate alarmism wokeist, more climate alarmism and more things that are to going ruin the economy of the country. i mean, he's talking about high growth . that's a good about high growth. that's a good thing. his solution to that thing. but his solution to that is a bigger state. we're going to have more spending on the nhs, more spending on more nhs, more spending on this, more spending taxes, spending on that, higher taxes, higher spending, higher borrowing. >> that's not what people though. >> well, it's what's going >> well, it's not what's going to produce the results. if you want higher growth, you've got to private sector . to release the private sector. you've got to reduce regulations and support businesses, particularly small and medium sized businesses , to create that sized businesses, to create that growth. you see, the whole fundamental understanding of the labour party is that a bigger state is a bigger economy . state is a bigger economy. that's not true. you need the private the private sector is the economy. the just is the economy. the state just is parasitical to the economy and they're never going to get away from that as their fundamental underlying ideology. >> now we've seen quite a lot , >> now we've seen quite a lot, joe, haven't we? we've seen wes

streeting talking about more money the nhs and money for the nhs and modernisation. we've seen angela rayner talking about women. she was specifically talking about making misogyny a hate crime. controversial, but that's where she stands . keir starmer talking she stands. keir starmer talking now about how to deal with illegal migration to this country. very much setting himself out as different to the conservative party . now on that conservative party. now on that one, we're starting very much to hear what a labour party in government would be like with angela rayner in her fashion, as she always says, she is strong, bold . she adds a bit of humour bold. she adds a bit of humour at the expense of the conservative party. of course, she says the conservative party have taken a sledgehammer to the foundations on which a good life can be built. yeah i'd pretty much agree with that. >> i mean, having seen the conservative party conference last week in manchester, which unfortunately and sadly for anybody who cares about democracy and cares about, you know, the very good and great

history of the conservative party in this country, which used to be, you know, it's not everybody's cup of tea, but it was a beacon of something that was a beacon of something that was decent. but having seen the cranks and the crackpots, the lies, who are the cranks and the cracks, let's see. let's think about mark harper, the transport secretary, talking about 15 minute cities and not being able to name one case of a council that he claimed was going to limit people going to the shops. let's talk about the energy secretary, claire coutinho, who talked about a tax on meat which has never been proposed by any party. and she got herself in a terrible tangle. you saw ministers of state coming out with absolute lies and garbage because they haven't got anything else left to say. and i think tom hannood is absolutely right . what is happening now and right. what is happening now and between now and the next election, we are going to see a dividing line because the tories have got nothing to offer . we

have got nothing to offer. we know perfectly well from all the polls and the polling data that comes through is that the two most important things that concern people are the nhs and the cost of living. and just to pick up on david's point about big state, if you have got a country where quite a lot of people can't work because they are sick, you need to sort out the health service so that they can get the treatment in order to become economically active again. know, can'tjust again. you know, you can't just how do it though. how you do it though. >> and it was disappointing that wes streeting thing wasn't talking about real of talking about real reform of the nhs. just shy nhs. our politicians just shy away from the prospect. david do you think joe's right that the conservative party is full of cranks? >> i mean, the thing's nonsense surely the thing. well, i mean, i'm no fan of what i call the fake conservative party. they're not conservative. that's the problem . the problem isn't the problem. the problem isn't the things that joe was saying there is problem 15 minute is a real problem with 15 minute cities brought in in cities being brought in in oxford. were to bring oxford. they were going to bring them canterbury , and them in in canterbury, and they're anymore. in them in in canterbury, and they'rplaces,1ymore. in them in in canterbury, and they'rplaces, which .. in them in in canterbury, and they'rplaces, which are in them in in canterbury, and they'rplaces, which are going to other places, which are going to restrict and restrict people's movements and put different areas

put gates around different areas of the city. that of the city. now that is something that that is something that is that is something that is that is something that is that is something that happening in something that is happening in oxford. true? it is true. it's happening. happened already happening. it's happened already happened you happened this year. but, you know, want to talk too know, i don't want to talk too much about because the much about that because the concert if you concert something we can if you want but the conservative want to. but the conservative party, say, is not party, as i say, is not conservative the conservative anymore. the problem is that they are not supporting traditional family values or low taxation. small estate. yes, we want good health care. but the thing is, what are you going to do, just pump more and more money into the nhs, which is vastly inefficient? we need to be smart about how we spend our money. that's exactly what wes streeting has been talking about. you wouldn't trust to able do trust labour to be able to do that. i mean, they've got a record the times before where record in the times before where i will say david is right. >> joe, and you must see this. how many times has the labour party getting rid of party spent getting rid of non—dom tax status? >> streeting is the >> aslef wes streeting is the first shadow health secretary who has actually talked about year 18 months ago when he was first appointed. he's actually

talked about the need to modernise and the need for the different from reform though. no, it isn't because reform is actually about the way they work. and we've seen in the last few weeks a couple of hospitals who failed to send out tens of thousands of letters to patients because of an it glitch or because of an it glitch or because of an it glitch or because of something. we've got it systems that don't marry up with gp surgeries. we've got an absolute lack of joined up thinking and the labour party , thinking and the labour party, who you could argue , hold the who you could argue, hold the nhs much more as a sacred cow, have been willing to say it needs to change. >> do you think it was a mistake, for david, keir starmer to come out so strongly against the rwanda migrant plan to say that even if it works, he's still will remove it? >> that is actually one thing i do agree with him on because i think it's a gimmick. from the very beginning it was only going to deal with a very, very small number of migrants that would be sent to rwanda and we would take

the number of people back the same number of people back from it wouldn't from rwanda so it wouldn't reduce number of people reduce the number of people in this anyway. we're this country anyway. and we're paying this country anyway. and we're paying government paying the rwandan government 120 the privilege. 120 million for the privilege. but do have to stop the boats but we do have to stop the boats and a grip of immigration as and get a grip of immigration as and get a grip of immigration as a whole. >> so i would just say on the 15 minute cities policy, we haven't seen that plays out. minute cities policy, we haven't seerit that plays out. minute cities policy, we haven't seerit is that plays out. minute cities policy, we haven't seerit is true that plays out. minute cities policy, we haven't seerit is true thatthat plays out. minute cities policy, we haven't seerit is true that local lays out. but it is true that local councils and also government have implemented anti—car have implemented quite anti—car policies . that's a different policies. that's a different thatis policies. that's a different that is that is very true. >> that is not stopping people from the shops, which from going to the shops, which is a conservative minister is what a conservative minister said on television and to the conference, he said. councils were allocating a period of time when people were allowed to go to the shops that is absolutely not and i'd love to have this debate in longer form, but you're watching and listening to gb me, emily carver. >> let me know what you what you think what you've heard so think about what you've heard so far from the labour conference. we've more coming up. we've got lots more coming up. but before we do, let's take a look the weather with jonathan. >> i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here your news vautrey here with your gb news weather the weather forecast provided by the met office. this weekend's heavy

rain scotland is slowly rain across scotland is slowly beginning it will beginning to ease off. it will beginning to ease off. it will be turning patchier and lighter throughout the rest of this afternoon and into this evening as well into the overnight penod as well into the overnight period actually pushing southwards. so starting to see some into northern some rain move into northern parts and parts of northern ireland and eventually and eventually dumfries and galloway, scottish borders galloway, the scottish borders region as well. elsewhere, a drier but quite lot of drier night, but quite a lot of cloud pushing into western coastal could turn quite cloud pushing into western coasteand could turn quite cloud pushing into western coasteand murkyld turn quite cloud pushing into western coasteand murky here.n quite cloud pushing into western coasts and murky here. but ite foggy and murky here. but underneath all that cloud will be for most be relatively mild for most of us. not dropping us. temperatures not dropping much below 11 to 15 c as we start off monday. then there will be this thick band of cloud for northern ireland, southern scotland into northern areas of england some light england could bring some light outbreaks in outbreaks of rain and drizzle in places. of the cloud across places. some of the cloud across the west will burn back to the coastal could coastal areas, but it could unger coastal areas, but it could linger some places throughout linger in some places throughout much the best parts much of the day. the best parts of the sunshine will be central areas wales into central areas of wales into central southern england southern areas of england as well. temperatures 6 well. temperatures 5 to 6 degrees above we'd degrees above where we'd normally them at this normally expect them at this point generally point in october, generally ranging between 17 and 24 c. point in october, generally ranginwilletween 17 and 24 c. point in october, generally ranginwilletwechangesd 24 c. point in october, generally ranginwilletwechanges afoot,. there will be changes afoot, though, we into tuesday though, as we head into tuesday and system going and this frontal system is going to start pushing its way in from the slowly moving its way

the west slowly moving its way south rain south eastwards. so rain initially northwestern initially across northwestern areas will be not as areas of scotland will be not as heavy as what we've seen over the weekend, but it's falling over very saturated ground. so there is the possibility of some further impacts here. we'll eventually arrive into southeastern areas as we head towards thursday towards wednesday and thursday with some cooler conditions following behind well for following on behind as well for the of your day. bye bye . the rest of your day. bye bye. >> thank you very much , >> thank you very much, jonathan, for that. we've got lots coming up on today's lots more coming up on today's show. conflict continues. israel and militant group and palestinian militant group hamas following the deadliest day of violence in israel since the yom kippur war. 50 years ago. we'll bring you the very latest as 480 people have now been confirmed dead. we've got all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver, and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

news. the people's channel, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv online and digital radio. now, the palestinian islamist group hamas launched its biggest attack on israel. israeli officials reporting around 2500 rockets fired from gaza , as well as fired from gaza, as well as sending fighters across the border. hamas militants unexpectedly stormed into southern towns across the region on a jewish holiday where residents were urged to stay close to bomb shelters. local media outlets are now reporting that more than 500 israelis have been killed in the attacks by

the terrorist group. now, joining me to discuss this is tel based journalist tel aviv based journalist natalie blanford. we spoke to natalie blanford. we spoke to natalie yesterday day on this show at about this time. now, natalie, yesterday you woke up to the sound of a siren warning you to take cover. i believe it was around 730 in the morning on the british press this morning. people are waking up to see the horror and barbarity of what has been happening. one of papers saying human shield, horror , saying human shield, horror, hamas terrorists kidnapped grandmas and children, hundreds slaughtered and hundreds die. hostages held as hamas assault shocks israel. it's unimaginable for many of us in this country to imagine what is happening over there . over there. >> yeah, well, you give a good summary. >> it has been a very horrific 24 hours, more than 24 hours now. of course . and yes, well . now. of course. and yes, well. you mentioned earlier we've more than 500 israeli citizens are confirmed as dead. there's another 2048 injured, which is

obviously more because it's a strange number. >> and hundreds are still missing . missing. >> and, you know, we're kind of used to rocket alerts going off. >> it's a kind of unfortunate reality of living here in this region. and it doesn't happen so often, but there's often a little bit warning. you sense little bit of warning. you sense it the news, you sense it it from the news, you sense it from from what's been happening. but this was they keep saying a surprise attack. don't surprise attack. i don't like that sounds far too that phrase. it sounds far too nice. surprise is nice. okay. surprise is something this was something nice this was a horrific attack . um, but i think horrific attack. um, but i think the element that nobody foresaw and when i woke up yesterday, what i didn't know about was that there was also this kind of siege taking place close to gaza with basically jeeps full of hamas terrorists who were just gunning down innocent people in broad daylight. and it looks as though and this is slightly speculative for me doing some maths, but it looks as though it was all coordinated with the rockets gaza because when rockets in gaza because when a rockets in gaza because when a rocket is launched , a siren will rocket is launched, a siren will sound and people will run for coven sound and people will run for cover. and i've actually heard this morning that whilst people

were they were running for cover, they were running for cover, they were shot by terrorists who were shot at by terrorists who had infiltrated israel. it had infiltrated israel. so it was pronged attack was like a double pronged attack . and now we have these absolutely horrifying stories of entire communities wiped out. we're talking about massacres on on the level that we read about in the history books. um, you know, it's the stuff you hear of from germany, jewish families opening the door and being rounded up and taken away. and this is what happened yesterday . and, you know, even before we get to the war and how we're going to resolve this, there are hostages in gaza and we need to see if they're still alive and see if they're still alive and see if they're still alive and see if we can get them back. and there are a lot of heartbroken people around israel this morning. it is an absolutely tragic day. >> of course, natalie, we >> now, of course, natalie, we cannot verify every cannot we cannot verify every single spoke about single scenario just spoke about and we have seen and described. but we have seen on social media footage , footage on social media footage, footage reported media outlets reported by media outlets showing the barbarity of what has happened in the last 24 hours or so . we've seen that hours or so. we've seen that this was across the papers, a 30 year old woman who was at this

music festival that was for peace, essentially being rounded up and killed. this is absolutely horrific . main absolutely horrific. main concerns among among israeli people besides their own safety must be how the israeli government and the defences get those hostages back. because we've heard reports of dozens of hostages being taken . hostages being taken. >> yeah. and it's a problem because that from what i understand from reading local media, is that the hostages are at multiple locations across the gaza area in secure locations, but they're spread out. so it's not as though the army, kind of the israeli army know how to get mean. i mean, they may know, right? let's hope they know. but but they're going to have to sort of locate them and, of course, itjust sort of locate them and, of course, it just makes it very complicated knowing their complicated knowing that their citizens in there. it's kind citizens are in there. it's kind of it's clever strategy from of it's a clever strategy from hamas potentially hamas because it potentially uses shields, uses israelis as human shields, which, not trying which, again, and i'm not trying to speculate, but it's often

reported that they use their own citizens as human shields. and so israeli so now they have israeli citizens. so, course, it citizens. so, of course, it might mean that the response from less strong in from israel is less strong in the gaza strip itself. so it's a very, very difficult question . i very, very difficult question. i you know, i have no idea how they plan to deal with that, but they plan to deal with that, but they have this afternoon established a situation room where to collate where they're trying to collate accurate information about who's there, people are there, how many people are there, how many people are there, and of course, they have a that are working on. a plan that they are working on. and what i can tell you is that as someone who lives in tel aviv and i'm friends with many israelis, i've been having endless texts from people telling been telling me that they've been called up to reserve duty. these are every year old men, are every day 25 year old men, 20 year old women who work in coffee shops, work high coffee shops, who work in high tech, professionals, tech, who are professionals, who are at university, and they're now to off fight try now going to off fight to try and secure the state of israel and secure the state of israel and to try and get these hostages back. and that's also equally terrifying. there's already been some heavy losses in i think it's 25 at in the army. i think it's 25 at last count, started releasing the ages are so young

the names. the ages are so young , it's painful. >> yes , incredibly so. and we're >> yes, incredibly so. and we're also hearing reports of missiles being launched from hezbollah in the northern border there, which obviously is deeply concerning. thank you very much indeed for your time. natalie blanford there live from tel aviv. thank you for talking to us. you're watching and listening to gb news with me, emily news sunday with me, emily carver . lots of questions as to carver. lots of questions as to how israel missed this. the intelligence services, how did they know this shock attack they not know this shock attack was ? questions of how was coming? questions of how this may or may not escalate further and continued questions as to how israel is responding . as to how israel is responding. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carville. we've got lots more coming up on the show. as we said before, starmer scrap said before, starmer would scrap rwanda migrant even if it rwanda migrant plan, even if it works, saying it's the wrong policy, and that it is policy, and also that it is hugely he have hugely expensive. does he have a point ? but hugely expensive. does he have a point? but first, let's get the news theo .

news with theo. >> it's 1:32. news with theo. >> it's1:32. i'm theo chikomba in the newsroom. a 20 year old british man served in the israeli army has been killed in a hamas attack that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border on saturday. this is a developing story. we'll bring you more as we get it. developing story. we'll bring you more as we get it . israel's you more as we get it. israel's prime minister says his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. more than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. the israeli military say they are still fighting hamas in aid areas near gaza. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places . the prime

in secure places. the prime minister warned those in gaza to leave . leave. >> assume what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again. the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas's capabilities . we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and citizens . and its citizens. >> home secretary suella braverman says she expects the police to use full force of the law against displays of support for hamas . it comes after videos for hamas. it comes after videos emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags while while clapping in celebration. in a statement, scotland yard said the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. labour's deputy

leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them . where it benefits them. >> you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com . website gb news.com. >> thanks website gbnews.com. >> thanks very much, theo. now we're to going be hearing a lot from the labour party conference over the next couple of days.

and one thing that keir starmer did say this morning is that he would scrap rwanda. the rwanda migrant plan, even if it works , migrant plan, even if it works, he said. the labour leader, he said he would the said he would scrap the deportation flight schemes because believes it's the because he believes it's the wrong and it's also wrong policy and it's also hugely expensive . expensive. he hugely expensive. expensive. he also said instead said he would target the smuggling gangs and that's how he would end the channel crossings. so joining me now stephen he's the now is stephen woolf. he's the director for the centre for migration economic migration and economic prosperity. interesting hi, nice to see you. outside in a in a forest. by the looks of things , forest. by the looks of things, i am examining the countryside and seeing real the real country. >> perhaps keir starmer should be doing exactly that . be doing exactly that. >> oh, there's feelings of the people. there's still cars behind you. yes so keir starmer was questioned this morning on what he would do with the rwanda migrant plan. the deportation scheme highly controversial and he's made clear that he would scrap it, come what may.

essentially, it's the wrong policy, far too expensive . this policy, far too expensive. this is not the way to deal with the migrant crisis . migrant crisis. >> well, we've had the head of the border force state that it was very clearly a positive plan that would lead to dealing with one of the biggest and the most important factors that people smugglers rely upon, and that is the ability to stay in the united kingdom. and what keir starmer's policy me view by rejecting rwanda, even if it works and let's see what he means by it works. if it works, it means that the people smugglers main policy is no longer available. if it doesn't work, he's going to try and smash them . and yet there are smash them. and yet there are three key points i take from his speech one, doesn't say how speech. one, he doesn't say how much the cost of rwanda actually is . two, he doesn't set out how is. two, he doesn't set out how he's going to smash the people smuggling gangs. and three, he he doesn't seem to address the real key factor for most people wanting to come here and staying here. that's actually being able

to stay here. he doesn't address any of those three key points at all. >> yes. and as it stands, we already have many efforts in place to try and stop the smuggling gangs. that's something that we can all agree on is highly important. but it's what else you do that is the key point when it comes to policy on this. i want to also get your thoughts on what we've heard this about rishi sunak and this week about rishi sunak and georgia meloni in italy . this georgia meloni in italy. this new alliance putting pressure on european countries, the european union to act . union to act. >> yes, i think it's a really important point here that rishi sunakis important point here that rishi sunak is reaching out to those who share his view that there needs to be a different policy makeup in stopping the gangs and slowing down the large numbers of people coming into europe. after all, if you look at the european union, 1 million people have claimed asylum this year. it's estimated that 350,000 are going to come in via italy and the four top countries of where asylum applicants and illegal migrants go are italy, germany,

france and the uk. so migrants go are italy, germany, france and the uk . so it's migrants go are italy, germany, france and the uk. so it's a natural alliance for rishi sunak to join in with italy who were in that top four is a natural alliance for meloni, who says she wants to try and achieve a reduction in migration but is being thwarted by the same types of argument that rishi sunak and bofis of argument that rishi sunak and boris johnson faced that you can't push them back at sea, that you can't close your borders. but there is growing support for both of their views in poland, in hungary , in in poland, in hungary, in denmark to an extent in sweden and even spain recently . so this and even spain recently. so this is a good point for him , but is a good point for him, but also very important for meloni to say that she's trying to reach out to others to stop the boats coming into italy. >> stephen, just lastly , why do >> stephen, just lastly, why do you get the impression that europe and its leaders is whether it's european union or or nation states , do you get the or nation states, do you get the feeling that they understand the scale of this problem ? no no, scale of this problem? no no, actually, i don't get the

feeling that all countries, all politicians and all civil servants understand it. >> i think there are those beginning to raise their heads and say that this is becoming significant. we saw it from borelli in the european union commissioner, but that commissioner, but he said that we these level of we can't take these level of numbers anymore , for saw it numbers anymore, for we saw it from a president tajani from a former president tajani of the european parliament, who's an italian too. he said that we need to slow down the numbers coming in. and of course, during the french general election, we had michel barnier even raised the issue of closing schengen. so senior people in the european union are beginning to recognise that the vast numbers coming in now no longer tolerable, both on economics, both on the numbers being able to be housed, the infrastructure, but also the costs . so it's good and it's costs. so it's good and it's important . costs. so it's good and it's important. but until we see real action at an international level where everyone joins together as as was suggested by suella braverman and this will continue for quite some time to come.

>> thank you very much indeed, stephen. wolf their director for the centre for migration and economic prosperity. thanks for talking to us this morning. so i still have panel with me on still have my panel with me on the , their sofa. the sofa, on their own sofa. thank you much indeed. joe thank you very much indeed. joe phillips david curtain . now, phillips and david curtain. now, this isn't well , we covered two this isn't well, we covered two points there. first, keir starmer on the rwanda plan very much against it, joe, but then also the european response and rishi sunaks attempts to try and form an alliance with those who agree with him on how to deal with the migration crisis . with the migration crisis. >> well, i think as steve just said, i mean, it is a huge issue for the whole of europe. and the only way it can be dealt with properly, humane and sensibly instead of looking for instead of people looking for short political , all short term political, all slogans is for people to work together. now, one of the problems that we've got in this country, as we know, is this massive backlog of people who have been languishing at huge expense to the public purse , to expense to the public purse, to the taxpayer in hotels when they could either be returned, if

they are found to be illegal asylum seekers, or integrating into the community, working, paying into the community, working, paying taxes and actually living sense able, dignified, proper lives . but because we've got lives. but because we've got this backlog we've got and the problem is that we've got successive home secretaries, but suella braverman actually takes the biscuit in ramping up the rhetoric of hatred and vilification without us actually being able to talk properly. >> i don't think it's fair to say that she's vilifying a hurricane, a hurricane. i don't think sorry, but i, i probably wouldn't have used the word hurricane. but there's a huge large numbers of there are a huge crossing into europe. there are huge. and she was using a word that emphasised how big the problem is, how high the numbers are . you asked about hurricanes are. you asked about hurricanes joe dido, with all due respect , joe dido, with all due respect, when we have these conversations, you always focus on the language and you're always highly perturbed by the language used by politicians who want to get a grip of this

problem. yes. now i agree with you. there's no having you. there's no point having this harsh if you're this harsh rhetoric if you're not to actually deal with not going to actually deal with the issue. but you can't blame it on backlog. we've got reports coming from charities saying 50,000 refugees could be homeless. this winter. why is that, because that, david? that's because there isn't the space. can i just respond? authorities can't deal numbers. deal with the numbers. there's no social housing. me just. no social housing. let me just. david, i'll let joe respond to what language? david, i'll let joe respond to whithere language? david, i'll let joe respond to whithere islanguage? david, i'll let joe respond to whithere is anguage? david, i'll let joe respond to whithere is a responsibility of >> there is a responsibility of people life, whether people in public life, whether they're or radio they're television or radio presenters, broadcasters or presenters, news broadcasters or particularly if they are senior politicians , to use language politicians, to use language thatis politicians, to use language that is appropriate to enable a proper debate. joe cox , the mp, proper debate. joe cox, the mp, was murdered by somebody who shouted out england first. >> this hasn't got anything to do with joe cox. we're talking about immigration. >> you're throwing things together in order to make your point. yes. and i don't think it's actually. it's fair, actually. >> i do, because i think >> well, i do, because i think ignonng >> well, i do, because i think ignoring the problem you use the language of hatred and vilification a sort vilification on it gives a sort of a carte blanche to people who may not be as bright, may not be

as educated and may not be as well informed to go out. >> and basically no , not to >> and basically no, not to plebs, the plebs. plebs, not the plebs. >> you >> i mean, you know. >> i mean, you know. >> do you what, though, >> do you know what, though, david? the problem is, joe talks about language. he has every right so, makes some very right to do so, makes some very strong know, strong points about, you know, having rhetoric isn't very having harsh rhetoric isn't very good. if you want people to live in harmony and unity, of course thatis in harmony and unity, of course that is true. but i'm sorry, i'm looking at what is happening looking at the what is happening on ground . and we have a on the ground. and we have a housing crisis or our infrastructure at breaking point . we had the backlog . even if we had the backlog gone tomorrow, where do we house these people? 50,000 refugees could be homeless , says could be homeless, says a charity where are people going to live? and this is what people are seeing, and particularly people on low income. yeah, i totally agree with you. >> we do have a crisis both in illegal migration and legal migration , which has gone migration, which has gone through the roof as well. there are no social council homes anywhere in many, many places. there aren't a small number of places, but you're half the

councils in the country. you try to go and get a home. if you're homeless, they won't be able to house you because there simply are none left. that's why a lot of coming across of people coming across illegally being housed in illegally are being housed in hotels or military barracks or converted large facilities. it's out of control . it's beyond a out of control. it's beyond a point where we can cope with it. >> well, it's interesting, joe, because yvette cooper came out to say that net migration is being too high. would you agree with that sentiment? yes, it probably has. >> infrastructure not >> but infrastructure is not definitely has infrastructure. culture failure of culture is about failure of investment. we've seen we've got railways that don't work . we're railways that don't work. we're going have a half railway going to have a half railway that in west that goes from somewhere in west london somewhere maybe london to somewhere, maybe birmingham costing an birmingham that is costing an absolute fortune, which could have been used for social housing. got sewage being housing. we've got sewage being pumped into our seas and rivers. we've got the nhs pays for it all. >> so how much do you want to be taxed in order to pay for infrastructure to support hundreds of thousands of the money that has been wasted? >> emily look at the money that has not even been pursued for an

inch to get back from the crooks and the con merchants who made so much out of covid. okay. >> i take your point. >> yes, i take your point. i would like that money to be returned, but that's not to going scrape the sides, is it? but it would mean, i do i do but it would i mean, i do i do agree that this government has wasted lot of money. wasted a lot of money. >> more irresponsible >> she's more irresponsible financially tony blair's financially than tony blair's government. that doesn't government. but that doesn't change the fact that since about 2000, popular version of 2000, the popular version of this country has increased by 10 million or nearly 10 million, almost all due to migration. and now we've got net migration legally of 600,000. add to that the nearly 50,000 coming illegally in boats. that's just simply is not enough homes for transport to cope with this. >> joe, you talk about language causing division and i completely, completely take your point. but i think what causes more division is the government lying, saying they want to reduce immigration, knowing that it is a deep , deep concern to it is a deep, deep concern to most people in this country and then not doing anything about it? absolutely. so we've got the

horrible where have horrible scenario where we have harsh rhetoric coming from the home secretary and others within the and little to no the government and little to no actual demonstrable action that they care about either care about legal migration and also illegal migration, although you could blame that on other factors that they haven't been successful in what they want to do. but let me know what you think you very think at home. thank you very much, and david. we've got much, joe and david. we've got lots more coming on today's lots more coming up on today's show, culture secretary, show, the culture secretary, lucy has revealed new lucy frazer has revealed new guidance we should guidance whereby we should retain explain statues retain and explain statues that have under pressure for have come under pressure for their is their ties to slavery. why is this good idea ? this guidance a good idea? should we keep the statues? but explain historical explain the historical context. is a good compromise? we've is that a good compromise? we've got of and more to got all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to .

monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv, online and digital radio quite a heated debate we had just now on migration and how the labour party conservative party are failing to put fonnard adequate ideas. but but yes, steve says the risk of being sent to rwanda will stop people coming to the uk. maybe this will help our situation for the better. well it waits to be seen. we do have the supreme court ruling coming at some point on voting for laboun at some point on voting for labour. yes, keir starmer is setting out his his pitch to be prime minister. ross says i want to vote conservative but find it

impossible to do given all the problems that have mounted. i think we should the labour think we should give the labour party a shot. there we go. and jeff says , what are the labour jeff says, what are the labour party to do differently? party going to do differently? as have never ever left as they have never ever left power economy in good power with the economy in good order. but it's very difficult for the conservatives to hammer that home and they've been in power in various different governments for 13 years. so that's where it falls apart. but we're going to move on to another story that caught my eye this week, new uk guidance has said the uk should retain an but explained statues of slave traders. now new guidance from the culture secretary, lucy frazer says we should use a strategy of retain and explain. this is for relics that have come under fire for their links to the slave trade or colonialism . therefore, by colonialism. therefore, by keeping the statues , but making keeping the statues, but making a conscious effort to explain the historical context as to why they are there, it seems like this is a compromise to deal with some of the more controversial statues and of course, the statue of edward

colston bristol that was torn colston in bristol that was torn down. so let's see what my panel make of this one. it's become a hot topic of discussion over the last few years. and it's something actually across the west we've seen statues being pulled down, vandalised for links to colonial ism, links to the slave trade , uh, racist the slave trade, uh, racist statues , people call them. what statues, people call them. what do you think about this retain but explain. well i think this is a little bit of a soft to the woke brigade in a way. >> i mean that's what they want or that's what they've sort of put fonnard as an idea. so some of the statues which are linked to colonialism, for example, like statue in like the cecil rhodes statue in oxford, they keep it up, oxford, well, they keep it up, but they'll put a plaque underneath explaining how and why a bad person and why he was such a bad person and everything he'd done is bad. okay yes. there were some things that did, but that were bad that he did, but there things that were there were some things that were good. you know, don't have good. so you know, i don't have a problem with someone putting up plaque say, you up a little plaque to say, you know someone thinks you know what? someone thinks you can it or you can not read

can read it or you can not read it, or you can take it as you want. i this whole want. but i think this whole focus statues of people 200 focus on statues of people 200 years ago, 300 years misses years ago, 300 years ago misses the point there is huge the point that there is huge modern going on. there's modern slavery going on. there's more than there more slaves today than there were past , and more slaves today than there were past, and no one were in the past, and no one seems want think about seems to want to think about those, in this country. but those, even in this country. but it's not the white people enslaving. it's not british people enslaving others. it's generally people in generally ethnic people in slaving their own ethnic people. you know, remember those vietnamese that . were coming vietnamese that. were coming over on the back of a lorry that were found dead in tilbury? they were found dead in tilbury? they were going into work in the black economy somewhere, probably for a very low wage or a wage by by other a slave wage by by other vietnamese people. know. so vietnamese people. you know. so that's just one instance, you know, that is representative of what's going on in this country around the world and even in places in africa, too. >> now, joe, just can i just say that the guidance, i understand, is only for england? >> yes, it's only for. yeah, it's not uk wide. >> yeah. it's only for england. thatis >> yeah. it's only for england.

that is true. sorry if we needed to correct. >> no, no, no. >> no, no, no. >> it's just it is, it is interesting that it's only for england, not the devolved nations. >> yeah. is tricky with >> yeah. what is tricky with this is that it sounds sensible, sensible compromise, but it depends what's on that . the depends what's on that. the explanation doesn't it, that's given to these statues. because these often relate to very contested times in history . contested times in history. >> yes, exactly. but i mean, i am totally against it. pretty much. you know , taking away much. you know, taking away statues or works of art or anything and destroying stuff. and i do think it's you know, we saw the taliban wreck and blow up statues. we saw what isis did to beautiful palmyra in syria. we've seen it time and time again . so, you know, i think it again. so, you know, i think it is much better to keep things and explain why they were there. and in the same way as you can walk into a million churches in italy and you'll see the depiction of whatever it is in the bible, whether you believe it or not, it will explain why. it will explain why it's important. it explains who wrote

it. jesus. it. i mean, jesus. >> mean jesus ? yes. >> sorry. you mean jesus? yes. if you go into. oh okay. yes. >> but in the same way, i mean, i'll give you a perfectly good example . very near where i live example. very near where i live in chilham castle , for instance, in chilham castle, for instance, which was owned by a sugar family. you know , they made family. you know, they made their money out of the sugar plantations and slavery. and by the time it had passed down to so many people, so many generations , one of the heirs generations, one of the heirs said he was so horrified that his family had made their wealth out of slavery that he basically sort of gave it all away . and sort of gave it all away. and there is a statue of him in the church with an explanation. an explanation of why he changed it. so i think you're absolutely right, emily. it is about how it's written, the danger is if it's written, the danger is if it becomes written by committee , it will be completely meaningless. and i wonder if this will stop protests anyway. >> and there will still be calls to remove statues across the country. but we'll come back to that. you're watching and

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get in touch. please do send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com. of course, we also saw angela rayner, the deputy leader , say she would deputy leader, say she would implement misogyny as a hate crime in this country. what do you make of that? send us a message on our socials. we're at gb news, but first, let's get the news headlines with theo . the news headlines with theo. >> good afternoon. it's 2:01 on theo chikomba in the newsroom. a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had been recently living in central israel . at living in central israel. at least 500 israelis are confirmed dead as fighting in gaza threatens to spiral into major

conflict . threatens to spiral into major conflict. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance and said his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation . more than 313 palestine indians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. hamas says israeli hostages are being held in secure places. the prime minister warned that those in gaza to leave amid mounting signs that the conflict could spread . spread. >> what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again . the entire happen again. the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas capabilities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the of israel and its on the state of israel and its citizens . citizens. >> speaking to gb news, israel's deputy ambassador to the uk oren marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks .

the attacks. >> and she has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her her body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shoved her into a car. and her hair and the terrorist shoved her into a car . and her eyes, her into a car. and her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they are going to do to me, what kind of people commit these atrocities to other people , to atrocities to other people, to children ? these are the children? these are the terrorists we are dealing with. >> home secretary suella braverman said she she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas. it comes after videos have emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags flying while clapping in celebration . immigration celebration. immigration minister robert jenrick shared one of those videos posted to social media. he described those celebrating as disgusting and

said there is no place for anyone who glorifies their terrorist activity of hamas. in a statement, scotland yard said that the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. speaking to gb news, transport secretary mark harper also condemned the celebrations . condemned the celebrations. >> mass is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation in the united kingdom. so anybody expressing support for it is committing an offence. and i would hope that the met tripolitan police will investigate carefully any reports of anybody doing so and will take all the necessary steps aftennards as a protest briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event, this morning, he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. >> labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government. >> as never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give

britain its future back. but the tories . also have one singular tories. also have one singular focus aukus to desperately cling on to power . that's why the on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival . you cannot dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them . where it benefits them. >> and staying with labour, the party says it would use counter—terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous, violent offenders in england and wales. it's part of labour's mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says officers would be told to relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk . a who pose the greatest risk. a significant quantity of what is thought to be cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. the national crime agency is

investigating after a fisherman discovered holes containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea of purbeck more washed up on a beach on the isle of wight. the nca says the class a drugs would have originated in south america . they are urging south america. they are urging the public to report any similar packages to their local police force . this packages to their local police force. this is gb news packages to their local police force . this is gb news across force. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to gb news . sunday now it's back to gb news. sunday thank you, theo. >> now in terms of domestic politics, the big story is the labour party conference up in liverpool , tom hannood is there. liverpool, tom hannood is there. we're going to be speaking to him in just one moment. keir starmer making it about the nhs . pledged an extra 2 . he's pledged an extra 2 million beds to tackle the million beds to help tackle the massive backlog which last massive nhs backlog which last time i looked is at about £76

million. last night, the labour leader, he said £1.1 billion per year will be spent to ensure 40,000 out of hours. appointments are made available each week. so here's what shadow health secretary wes streeting said about tackling the backlog . this was on camilla tominey show earlier today. >> grip the immediate crisis in the nhs of the backlog on the waiting list. if we're smart about how we use s the capacity that's there in the system. so using tried and tested methods that are already being used in a small number of nhs trusts in the country. but what i want to make sure is that no one in this country he ever feels forced to go private or gets left behind if they can't afford to go private. so joining me now is our deputy political editor tom hannood, who is live from the conference. >> tom, there make sense for the labour party to focus on the nhs when it is at crisis point at the moment? >> well, i think that speaks for itself . it's clearly one of the itself. it's clearly one of the labour party's big priorities as

it's certainly as well one of the prime ministers big priorities. if we think to rishi sunak's five pledges cut those waiting lists, is up there with those guys. but similarly, the labour party has its five missions for government now. they're not identical to the prime minister's missions, but certainly health care is a point of analogy between them. and i think that it is interesting that we've heard this specific pledge had to do with £1.1 billion a year extra in the grand scheme of things, it sounds like a lot of money, but shall we take a step back and look at the overall funding of the nhs? emily you might be interested to know that back in 2010, adjusted for inflation, this number is so this is in £2,023. back in 2010, we were spending around £130 billion on the nhs . it's this year it's the nhs. it's this year it's over £180 billion that we're spending on the nhs. that's a

£50 billion per year increase £50 billion per year increase £50 billion per year increase £50 billion being spent, more this year than in 2010. i think people might raise an eyebrow to think that just £1.1 billion would be the difference between an nhs on its knees and the nhs of yesteryear, where there were no waiting lists and all the rest of it. i think there's certainly some eyebrows being raised with the suggestion that .just raised with the suggestion that . just £1.1 billion extra plugged into the nhs would be the difference between an nhs that works smoothly and the nhs. that clearly is juttering along at the moment. that clearly is juttering along at the moment . after all, that at the moment. after all, that is just a fact . one of the is just a fact. one of the increases that we've seen in the last decade . last decade. >> now tom, this does tie in to their tax and spend policy too. we've seen wes streeting ing. he says that removing or scrapping the non—dom tax status will help

fund these types of improvements within the nhs . within the nhs. >> yes, and that's the problem really. the labour party feels hemmed in by these commitments to follow tory fiscal rules and therefore for every pound that is spent within the nhs they need to find a way to pay for it. but of course the labour party is very, very scared of saying publicly that it will deliver sweeping tax rises to ordinary people all so they try and find the least popular, the least unpopular way they can find money. so this idea of getting rid of the non—dom status, they hope can raise some money. they've done some analysis that says that it might raise between around 1.5 or just under £2 billion a year. now, that's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of government spending. so it really does limit the amount that they can do . now, a cynic might say, well do. now, a cynic might say, well , if they really want to massively increase the amount

thatis massively increase the amount that is spent on the nhs , they that is spent on the nhs, they might need to raise taxes massively elsewhere. but because they're not going to say that they're not going to say that they would raise taxes on on income , arm or elsewhere, that income, arm or elsewhere, that might affect or might be more politically damaging and they need to be more limited and specific in what they can say they can do to improve the nhs. so this non—dom status policy only raising less than £2 billion, perhaps £1.5 billion. some independent analysis said it could even be revenue neutral if it drives away rich people from the united kingdom. so it could not raise that much money. so you see there the very limited policy that it is supporting the £1.1 billion going into the nhs. >> yes, a lot of us will be sceptical over how much money scrapping this policy will actually produce to the treasury , but we shall see what happens . how have you heard anything radical? all from the conference? so far? because

we've seen some backers of the labour party calling on the labour party calling on the labour party calling on the labour party to be bolder for keir starmer to really say that he's going to do a lot that's different from the conservative party . anything they're it's party. anything they're it's interesting . interesting. >> i think sir keir starmer and his comms team will be delighted by the fact that the criticism of him so far this conference is he isn't being radical enough . he isn't being radical enough. his whole political brand is being built around being a safe pair of hands that middle england would feel okay to vote for that. those who perhaps have voted conservative in the past would feel comfortable switching to it and feeling like it's not going to too be radical of a change, that it's not going to overturn the system as things stand, i think if the criticism of the labour party this weekend is that it's not being radical enough , sir keir starmer will be enough, sir keir starmer will be a very happy man however a very happy man indeed. however for the difference here is there might be some radical policy sort of hidden behind the, i

suppose, surface level announcements. and one of those radical policies , if the party radical policies, if the party can be bold enough for it, would be seismic planning reform. that could be some pretty interesting and free supply side reform changing the regulations around how housing is built or how infrastructure is built. getting rid of some of that red tape. if the labour party were to genuinely take on that mantle , genuinely take on that mantle, that could raise a significant amount of money for the treasury for extra spending without out raising any taxes, that could be something quite canny, although it would take a lot of political guts to deliver and we haven't yet heard all of the detail. now regular viewers of this channel, regular viewers of this channel, regular listeners, listeners of this channel, will know that tom hannood would be absolutely delighted planning delighted to see planning regulations looked at and to see more housebuilding in this country. >> i know that the labour party have committed to well , several have committed to well, several hundred thousand a year , but it

hundred thousand a year, but it doesn't seem like it's enough. we have a shortage of 4 million. thank you very much indeed for your time. tom hannood, their deputy political editor at gb news. i'll bring my news. so i'll bring in my wonderful panel. we have joe phillips, political commentator , kirton, , and we have david kirton, who is leader the heritage is the leader of the heritage party. ever, we talked party. well as ever, we talked about tom hannood about a lot with tom hannood there, joe. >> he's having isn't he? >> well, he is. you know, he is a fantastic journalist for us here on gb news. he is enthusiastic. he was even enthusiastic. he was even enthusiastic about the liberal democrat conference. there democrat conference. so there you opportunities. you go. equal opportunities. >> explain things. and the whole point conference i am point about conference is i am so that i don't have to go so glad that i don't have to go to anymore. i did years to them anymore. i did 30 years of conferences to back, of conferences back to back, including the tuc and you just including the tuc and you just in the end you come out and you feel absolutely like a dish rag. you've eaten rubbish food, you've too late. you've stayed up too late. you've too much, you've you've drunk too much, you've had nonsensical conversation and you've learnt very you've actually learnt very little cheap wine. you've actually learnt very litt|a cheap wine. you've actually learnt very litt|a plenty wine. you've actually learnt very litt|a plenty . wine. >> a plenty. >> a plenty. >> i don't know. i had my conference a couple of weeks ago. it was wonderful. i made a speech and lots of other people made speeches . it was great

made speeches. it was a great time was a standing time and there was a standing ovation there lovely ovation for there was my lovely heritage party members. do you think do you think keir starmer will delighted, tom will be delighted, as tom hannood people like hannood said, that people like matt the general matt wrack, the general secretary fire brigades secretary of the fire brigades union, the tuc, union, and president of the tuc, is saying that labour shouldn't be manager and be too overly manager and instead they should be bold and radical. >> well, i think they do. there are calls coming from wrack are calls coming from matt wrack from graham, from unite, from sharon graham, from unite, the biggest union we've also heard lord peter heard it from lord peter mandelson. i think now keir starmer needs to be really clear about what he stands for and we're beginning to see it as we've just discussed about rwanda. we're beginning to see dividing lines coming up between them and the tories. i think they are still ahead in the polls, but they are absolutely right. not to go into this conference as andrew rawnsley said in the observer today , they said in the observer today, they can be confident, but they mustn't be cocky. we saw what happened with kinnock at happened with neil kinnock at that in that famous conference in sheffield . you know, we're still sheffield. you know, we're still possibly out from an possibly 18 months out from an election and we know those of us

that are old enough to remember what happened in 1992, you know , nobody thought the tories would win. and john major got back into power. so nothing is in the bag. but they will be buoyed. certainly by the rutherglen, rutherglen and hamilton by—election result, because if can make inroads because if they can make inroads into scotland against the snp, that gives them huge base , that gives them a huge base, massively so huge. if they can persuade people who may not. there are so many people before we went into the break, emily, you had a listener, a viewer writing saying that they'd like to vote labour. they didn't know . so many people i talked to say they , particularly conservative, they, particularly conservative, say they feel politically homeless. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and i think it's a big ask for people who've been conservative or life to make that switch to labour . but i that switch to labour. but i think there are decent, honourable people , you know, who honourable people, you know, who are fed up with the state of the country. they are still scarred by the appalling behaviour of bofis by the appalling behaviour of boris johnson , the mess that boris johnson, the mess that we've had after 13 years. and i think, you know, if keir starmer

can get through this conference sensibly , but he does need to sensibly, but he does need to come out with some takeaway. >> , he does need to come out >> yes, he does need to come out with some takeaway. we saw rishi sunak got a little bounce sunak got a little tiny bounce in personal approval in his personal approval ratings, nothing for the ratings, but nothing for the party that would raise their chancesin party that would raise their chances in the polls anyway. david rishi sunak, he wants to be boring because he wants to show that he's different from the chaos under the conservatives and that he's sensed all mr sir kissed . sensed all mr sir kissed. >> the thing with rishi sunak. he was part of the chaos of the covid years and he was the chancellor of the exchequer who wasted tens of millions, hundreds of millions of billions actually of pounds on the response and furlough and all this kind of stuff, which really didn't need to be done. and now we know that lockdown cross—party consensus mostly, that's a good point on that, because, you know, that's a very good point, because to me, there is no difference between the conservative gives and labour lib dem green in most of the

issues. they're all pretty much to interrupt you, but we haven't got much time before we before we move on. we move on. >> we move on. >> but i think so the labour party, stuck when it party, they're stuck when it comes the economy. they can't comes to the economy. they can't really anything radical. really do anything radical. they've you know, they've committed to, you know, similar fiscal ideas to the conservative party at least conservative party for at least a bit for. but on a little bit longer for. but on culture, this is where a lot of small c conservatives are worried. and so things like misogyny, crimes misogyny, hate crimes sounds nice. do we want that kind nice. but do we want that kind of legislation on our statute? >> sound nice . >> books sound nice. >> books sound nice. >> things like this , cultural >> things like this, cultural changes that concern people. >> wokery yes, essentially the labour party are the bastion of wokery , aren't they? but the wokery, aren't they? but the conservatives were pretty much the same as them. they've been in power and they've implemented a lot of these things. it's just now we're coming up to an election. unlike before all elections, the fake conservative party , as i call them, tries to party, as i call them, tries to sound conservative to get their base to come back and vote for them as soon as they get in again, they will continue with the programme. be

the woke programme. it'll be interesting turnout interesting to see what turnout is next general election. >> obviously we don't know what's going to happen between now and then we even now and then and we don't even know general election know when the general election is it'll be is going to be. but it'll be very interesting because as joe said, i think there will be a lot of former conservative voters who may just turn voters who may just not turn out really people who do really a lot of people who do not want to vote labour do not think better job, think they'll do a better job, but also so can't see themselves voting conservative either or bnng voting conservative either or bring to. we'll voting conservative either or bringwe've to. we'll voting conservative either or bringwe've still to. we'll voting conservative either or bringwe've still got. we'll voting conservative either or bringwe've still got a we'll voting conservative either or bringwe've still got a whilee'll voting conservative either or bringwe've still got a while to see. we've still got a while to go the next general go before the next general election. anything could happen in country called in this mad country we called britain. watching and britain. you're watching and listening sunday with britain. you're watching and liste emily sunday with britain. you're watching and liste emily carville. sunday with britain. you're watching and liste emily carville. we'veiay with britain. you're watching and liste emily carville. we've gotwith me, emily carville. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. now, videos have emerged lots more coming up on today's shov appearing eos have emerged lots more coming up on today's shov appearing eos have people ed lots more coming up on today's shovappearing eos havepeople in and appearing to show people in various parts of london flags flying, palestinian flying flying, palestinian flags flying , clapping in celebration to the attacks in israel. it truly is sickening stuff. suella braverman, home secretary she's come out very strongly. she says she expects police to use she expects the police to use the force of the law the full force of the law against displays support for against displays of support for hamas. it is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation in this country. if you've seen the footage, you

just saw it there. what is that make you? how does that make you feel? concerned the feel? are you concerned the police have come out very strongly say that they will strongly to say that they will be having more of a police presence to reassure communities in this country ? all of that and in this country? all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to gb news with britain's news channel

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sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv, online and digital radio. thank you for joining me this afternoon. now the palestinian islamist group hamas terrorist launched hamas terrorist group launched its biggest attack israel its biggest attack on israel with israeli officials reporting around 2500 rockets fired from gaza, as well as sending fighters across the border. hamas militants unexpec ridley stormed into southern towns across the region. it was on a jewish holiday . residents were jewish holiday. residents were urged to stay close to bomb shelters across the globe, we've seen scenes of solidarity for israel there. we are in new york, the empire state building condemning the attacks across the south of the country. we've seen images there. we've got the european commission lighting up with the flag of israel. we also saw in berlin as well. and other countries around the world. there we are in berlin. but sadly elsewhere, videos have emerged and they're appearing to show people in various parts of london flags flying, clapping in celebration in for what has happened. celebration in for what has happened . the home secretary,

happened. the home secretary, suella braverman. now she says that she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas . joining me now is former hamas. joining me now is former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram obe. philip, we see a shot. thank you for joining me. we see a sharp forjoining me. we see a sharp contrast between celebrations that unfortunately we have seen in parts of europe and also london and the signs of solidarity that have been shown by, as i showed you there in new york, in in the european commission to in berlin and many other cities and countries . we other cities and countries. we have and there's so many naive people who are trying to suggest that what hamas is doing is not terrorism. >> it is not they terrorise their own people in gaza and they're carrying out terrorist acts into israel. you do not go and kidnap civilians, raped women and children and attack into a country if you have got

some form of cause . and those some form of cause. and those that are waving palestinian flags and supporting it, the terrorism act brought hamas in as an illegal organisation in november 2021. and under section 12 of the terrorism act 2000, anyone who supports a proscribed organisation could be subject to prosecution. >> under that act . >> under that act. >> under that act. >> so these individuals that are waving flags , that are shouting waving flags, that are shouting pro—hamas commentary and everything else are potentially committing an offence under that act and that could have them locked away for up to 14 years. >> so do you think like various parties, including media outlets, are too cautious of calling hamas a terrorist organisation using the term militants instead ? militants instead? >> well, i do , because, you >> well, i do, because, you know, the law is quite clear . know, the law is quite clear. you know, the uk has proscribed it and described it as a terrorist organisation when it's on the statute books as a terrorist organisation. the eu has it proscribed as a terrorist

organisation and it's on the eu statute books as a terrorist organisation, as does the united states. so i think we should stop beating around the bush and trying to be all pc with this. describe hamas exactly as they are. they are are a bunch of terrorists and those that are in gaza get terrorised by hamas is to keep in line and to follow the cause in the same way that other terrorist organisations that we know of have terrorised their local communities to try and maintain some level of support . they do it through the support. they do it through the clues in the title of the organisation. they do it through terror, they don't do it through democracy or through cooperation i >> philip how concerned are you that this foreign conflict plays out on we've seen these celebrations, but plays out further in terms of protest, but potentially violent in other countries around the world. of course, close to israel, but also in the west . also in the west. >> well, i can see it causing increased polarisation. and this fits with what a lot of other

international leaders would like to see because it will create problems and create conflict. you know, vladimir putin will be rubbing his hands in glee when he sees flags being waved in london. he'll be rubbing his handsin london. he'll be rubbing his hands in glee whenever he sees shin fein in northern ireland, putting out posts with the palestinian flag as part of that, because he will be exploiting that in the information battle that's going on from his global perspective as will lots of others. and this is where we have to recognise that there is an international aspect from an information perspective that's going on here in a year running up to us presidential elections, uk parliamentary elections and other elections around the world and it will be exploited. >> many will be relieved to see that both the prime minister in this country and the leader of the opposition , keir starmer, the opposition, keir starmer, have come out very strongly in solidarity israel and solidarity with israel and defend their right to defend

themselves . and it's hard to themselves. and it's hard to overstate the barbarity that we've seen lots of footage , some we've seen lots of footage, some unverified, some verified that we've seen of the barbarity of the hamas terrorist group up in terms of looking to israel and their response to this , but also their response to this, but also in terms of this attack and the intelligence , as people are intelligence, as people are calling this a colossal lack of intelligence, colossal lack from the israeli security services , the israeli security services, to know that this was going to happen, not a a shock attack . happen, not a a shock attack. >> well, yes . and there'll be a >> well, yes. and there'll be a lot of questions to be answered by israeli intelligence. no israeli intelligence. you gather huge volumes of information and it's clear what hamas have done here probably helped by external influences. i've got some information to suggest that. but it hasn't been verified as yet . it hasn't been verified as yet. they've done something that you describe as below the threshold, hidden in the noise of all the information that's going on. so it's very difficult to pick out and see, you know, we expect our

intelligence organisations to have 2020 foresight to be able to look into future and to look into the future and predict what's going to predict exactly what's going to happen we criticise happen and then we criticise them happened them when something has happened and lens 2020 and we've got the lens of 2020 hindsight hey , you hindsight to say, hey, you failed in a massive way . what failed in a massive way. what lessons have to be learned if intelligence agencies had, you could predict what was going to happen the future. then happen in the future. then there'd no intelligence there'd be no intelligence officers. the officers. we'd have all won the national lottery every week as to what's going on. it's very to what's going on. it's a very difficult game. know, i'm difficult game. you know, i'm being flippant in difficult game. you know, i'm bnvery flippant in difficult game. you know, i'm bnvery serious flippant in difficult game. you know, i'm bnvery serious andyant in difficult game. you know, i'm bnvery serious and shocking in difficult game. you know, i'm bnvery serious and shocking act, a very serious and shocking act, but it's is too easy to blame intelligence failures , intelligence failures, hezbollah, hamas , hezbollah, hezbollah, hamas, hezbollah, iran, the russian go.you will have been examining what israeli intelligence is gathering . intelligence is gathering. they've been looking at how they can try and mask their activities in the preparation and planning for this. and they've brought that they've clearly brought that into the into what's going on. the broader sophistication broader level of sophistication we seen before. we haven't seen before. >> just it sounds >> and just lastly, it sounds like silly question almost, like a silly question almost, but what are hamas and also hezbollah now on the northern

border? they're motivation here. >> well, hamas is motivation is to you try and embarrass israel . and what the wider objective is , i don't know, because they is, i don't know, because they don't have the military capability to achieve it and they know that, um , israel will they know that, um, israel will come back and hit and hit them hard. so what they could be trying to do is create greater regional instability by bringing in, as you said, hezbollah and we've got some reports on the northern border with lebanon. bnngin northern border with lebanon. bring in iran and create greater middle east instability ity. that's what vladimir putin would like to try and take international oil focus away from what's going on inside ukraine and give a chance to ukraine and give him a chance to try recover a little bit. so try and recover a little bit. so i we could be seeing more i think we could be seeing more of an international playbook here that's happening and potential for more destabilisation in different countries around world. and countries around the world. and of we've seen the of course, we've seen the borders serbia and borders between serbia and kosovo. seeing what the kosovo. we're seeing what the remnants of wagner are doing with in in central africa with

destabilisation and coups that are happening there. i think we're in for a very unstable time over the next year. yes >> and of course, this will be a setback, no doubt, for israel . setback, no doubt, for israel. see arab rapprochement. in any case, thank you very much indeed, philip ingram there for us, former senior military intelligence officer . very intelligence officer. very interesting indeed, speaking to philip. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily kabul. we've got lots more up on today's show. more coming up on today's show. we'll be taking a look at the international reaction to the attack hamas israel, where attack by hamas on israel, where us condemned the us president biden condemned the assault, it as assault, describing it as as appalling. has appalling. but what has outspoken former us president donald trump had to say about the attack? we'll find out in just moment. but first, it's just one moment. but first, it's the news with theo . it's 2:32. the news with theo. it's 2:32. >> i'm theo chikomba in the newsroom. a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by

hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had been recently living in central israel . israel's prime minister israel. israel's prime minister says his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation. benjamin netanyahu , who vowed to benjamin netanyahu, who vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. more than 313 palestine lions have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. the israeli military say they are still fighting hamas in eight areas near gaza. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places. the prime minister warned those in gaza to leave as what happened today has

never been seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not happen again. >> the entire government is behind this decision in the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas capabilities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state israel its citizens i >> home secretary suella braverman says she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas . it comes support for hamas. it comes after videos emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags flying while clapping in celebration mission. in a statement, scotland yard said the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning. he was quickly removed before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event . to officially open the event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party

as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefit them. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news.com by visiting our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you, theo . now the us >> thank you, theo. now the us president joe biden has condemned the unconscionable assault by hamas militants and his administration pledged to ensure israel has what it needs to defend itself. that's

following the shocking attack on israel. however, the former us president donald trump took a different view, although he said israel has every right to defend itself with ovennhelming force. the republican candidate accused us accused biden of indirectly funding the attack on israel, adding to the republican claims that $6 billion released last month to iran as part of a prisoner exchange deal was used to fund the hamas attack . so to fund the hamas attack. so joining me now is us political analyst eric hamm. eric thank you very much indeed for joining me. lots that i just introduced there. so shall we start with biden's response ? yes sure. biden's response? yes sure. >> president biden did what every president before him has done and will do. >> and that is to pledge unequivocal support to israel and to provide israel with any resources that they may need . we resources that they may need. we also know that the united states has one of its largest stockpile falls outside of the united states. is actually located in israel . it's unclear at this

israel. it's unclear at this time if the united states has allowed israel to unlock that stockpile . but we have also stockpile. but we have also heard from the us secretary of state, antony blinken, who has made clear that additional us aid could begin to arrive in israel as early as today . israel as early as today. >> eric now republicans are saying that well, they're criticising his handling of the situation. they say iran has helped fund this war and joe biden's policies have gone easy on iran and that's helped them to fill their coffers as yeah, that's right. >> in fact, we know that the most recent prisoner swap where the united states got prisoners back in return for $6 billion that was released . but many that was released. but many republicans are saying it is that money that has actually led to hamas being able to carry out this sophisticated attack of course, we know that is not true . in fact, that money is held in an independent bank account and

it can only be used for humanitarian aid. and we have confirmed that none of that money has been moved at this time. so this was an attack that was independent of any resource us that was provided as a result of that of those $6 billion that actually belonged to iran. again, what we're seeing here are republicans using a foreign policy and of course, an attack on one of the united states closest allies as a wedge to continue to try to bolster their gains politically here at home. >> yes, donald trump, he said very strongly it sounds as though he will use this and double down on this, saying, sadly, american taxpayer dollars help fund these attacks, which many reports are saying came from the biden administration. he says essentially blaming us policy on iran for today's attack . you say this is not attack. you say this is not true, untrue . so is there any true, untrue. so is there any truth to these claims , eric, to

truth to these claims, eric, to weaken iran whatsoever? >> no , no, they're not. we know >> no, no, they're not. we know that as part of the exchange there was $6 billion. that was that was provided to iran . that was provided to iran. however, that that $6 billion can only be used for humanitarian aid in iran. and we know that it's held in an independent account in another other country. and it is that country that actually allows them to be able to access those resources and we know that they have not accessed those resources. so none of the none of that $6 billion was used for this attack. again, what you know, there was a time in the united states where we know that pol six, there was a saying politics stopped at the water's edge, which meant that if there was any type of attack of this kind on us soil or on a us ally , you typically did not engage in domestic politics and what we're seeing now is that line

has been broken and we know that given the polarisation in washington, politicians will now begin to use any avenue possible, even if it is untrue, to try to demean their their opposition. and that's what we're seeing play out right here, right now. >> and how does this play out in america in broader communities? we've seen, unfortunately, in europe that people have been in some areas. okay. it's limited. of course , but in some areas of of course, but in some areas of london, we've had celebrations for the attack on israel. we've seen this in canada, we've seen this in other countries in the west . what are we seeing this in other countries in the west. what are we seeing in this in other countries in the west . what are we seeing in the west. what are we seeing in the us ? us? >> well, you know, in the united states, there is a very robust jewish community. in fact, we know that in recent years there have been terrorist attacks against a jewish people . we know against a jewish people. we know that there have been mass shootings taking place at synagogues. we know that . we

synagogues. we know that. we know that some jewish burial sites have been defamed in recent years . so this is recent years. so this is something that is coursing through the country right now. but that has not in any way , but that has not in any way, shape or form diminished the us policy, which is to show itself to be an a stalwart ally for israel and to provide israel with the necessary and military support that they need to be able to fend off terrorist attacks like this. and so i think what you're going to continue to see, not only from the biden administration, but from a whole government from a whole of government approach , is that the united approach, is that the united states stands with israel. >> thank you very much indeed for your time. eric. eric ham there, a us political analyst . there, a us political analyst. thank you very much indeed for your time this afternoon. oh, well, i'm here. over here. there i am . that was very interesting i am. that was very interesting to speak to eric, get the american perspective there. donald trump saying that essentially the biden administration is in part responsible for what we're seeing in israel . and we are

seeing in israel. and we are going to be moving on because we've got lots more coming up on today's show. but please do keep your views coming through on what we've been talking about. now the labour leader there he is, pledged the is, has pledged during the laboun is, has pledged during the labour. not there. labour. oh, no, he's not there. has pledged during the labour women's to take on women's conference to take on social companies are social media companies that are helping to create toxic attitudes women in order helping to create toxic aticrack; women in order helping to create toxic aticrack down women in order helping to create toxic aticrack down on women in order helping to create toxic aticrack down on violencen order to crack down on violence against women and girls. is that the best tactic to take on the social media companies? we'll discuss one moment. i'm discuss in just one moment. i'm emily and you're emily carver, and you're watching listening gb watching and listening to gb news,

company right through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel people's. channel >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv online and digital radio. now, we were just talking to eric ham, who is a us political analyst, about the us reaction to what's happening in israel . and some people are israel. and some people are asking about what's happening closer to home in particular, why sadiq khan didn't choose to light up one of our buildings in central london in support for israel . we saw the european israel. we saw the european commission light up with a flag with an israeli flag. we also saw in italy , in berlin, germany saw in italy, in berlin, germany , new york, of course, the empire state building all lit up in the blue and white flag of israel. interesting question. will there be pressure? there is huge amounts of pressure, actually. we're already seeing on social media. but will there be pressure closer to sadiq khan to that kind of solidarity to show that kind of solidarity with israel because this was a

terrorist and it is a terrorist attack on the country , but we're attack on the country, but we're going to move on. so keep your views coming in. sir keir starmer has pledged to take on tech companies who he thinks are helping to create toxic attitudes towards women in dunng attitudes towards women in during they might be amplifying , i guess, but i'm not sure they're creating during the labour women's conference, the labour women's conference, the labour leader promised to drain the hate and inequality the swamp of hate and inequality by tackling online abuse and cracking down on violence against women girls. against women and girls. however, despite these promises, can labour be trusted to protect women . we also saw angela women. we also saw angela raynen women. we also saw angela rayner, the deputy leader, say that she would implement while she would make misogyny a hate crime. is that a good idea ? can crime. is that a good idea? can labour be trusted ? so i want to labour be trusted? so i want to go to my panel on this one because i have a lot of concerns about this talk of cracking down on social media companies. joe because sounds fantastic. yes there are some misogynists on there are some misogynists on the internet who get to say things that we don't find tasteful, but is the right idea

to make these companies censor the social media companies do have to take some responsibility because in effect, they are publishers . publishers. >> but are they? >> but are they? >> well, that is. >> well, that is. >> are they? they're not. >> are they? they're not. >> but there is. well there that is their argument. but maybe they should be. >> but they're not. well, that's that's the whole the that's the whole thing, the whole essence of the online safety and the whole safety bill and the whole argument that unfortunately legislate have legislate across the world have been up with been too slow to catch up with the technology . the technology. >> we'll have the same >> and we'll have the same problem got problem with al. you've got people or bots or whatever posting stuff online that nobody in their right minds would dream of saying in public or to somebody's face it is particularly unpleasant against women, as you and i both know. and as jess phillips, the labour mp , has talked about as yvette mp, has talked about as yvette cooper , shadow home secretary, cooper, shadow home secretary, has talked about, you know, not only it vile comments about only it is vile comments about the women look and whether the way women look and whether or not they are somebody that you would like to spend the

night let's put it in night with. let's put it in polite terms since lunchtime, but there's somebody that you'd actually like to cause great harm to that you'd threaten their children. it is vile and it is written off as banter . it it is written off as banter. it doesn't mean anything. it's just a bit of fun. who's the moral arbiter, though? >> who should be should it be government? should it be whitehall ? should it be the whitehall? should it be the social media platforms themselves? the themselves? because if the social sexist are very social sexist comments are very different from death threats. >> i mean, we've got to be >> yeah. i mean, we've got to be very, very careful where very, very careful about where we line and we've got we draw the line and we've got to maintain free speech because thatis to maintain free speech because that is part of our culture. i wouldn't to take away wouldn't want to take away people's but there people's free speech, but there already a line. if you already is a line. if you insight crime, if you incite violence, that's already against the law and then the police should be able to take action against anyone who does those things. and they frequently do. but do not want to see new but i do not want to see new legislation come in to say, well, they're going to tackle the toxic culture. i mean, what does that mean? how is that even

defined? that's not even what doesit defined? that's not even what does it mean, david, if the substitutes misogyny also because does a flippant sexist remark constitute misogyny , or remark constitute misogyny, or is that simply the showing off and being a bit distasteful ? and being a bit distasteful? >> well, you might be. i worry about that because i think women are strong enough to be able to cope with those kind of comments. and they also throw it back. >> but 14 year old aren't. >> but 14 year old girls aren't. and young boys and and i have seen young boys and any schoolteacher tell you, any schoolteacher will tell you, because they know better than the parents many cases, because they know better than the pare the many cases, because they know better than the pare the parents cases, because they know better than the pare the parents don't, because the parents don't know what kids looking at. what the kids are looking at. you kids are looking you see what kids are looking at. well, that's an abrogation of responsibility. at. well, that's an abrogation of rif ponsibility. at. well, that's an abrogation of rif it'ssibility. at. well, that's an abrogation of rif it's not, ty. at. well, that's an abrogation of rif it's not, it's actually >> if it's not, it's actually the they you the access to stuff they you know, somebody says, well, know, if somebody says, well, i'm using my phone, but i've i'm not using my phone, but i've seen on else's seen it on somebody else's phone, don't realise. seen it on somebody else's ptho don't realise. seen it on somebody else's ptho you'reion't realise. seen it on somebody else's ptho you're seeing alise. seen it on somebody else's ptho you're seeing kids. seen it on somebody else's ptho you're seeing kids who are >> so you're seeing kids who are in affected, if you like, by stuff that they think it's okay. i'll give you a perfect example. the disgusting person at the football match last week who held up a photograph , apparently held up a photograph, apparently making some vile, tasteless joke

about the little boy, bradley, who had died of cancer, who was the team's mascot. he was arrested and charged and sacked from his job within 24 hours. now that's what we need to see. and the point that you're making, david, i completely take. but if social media companies will not take responsibility , then you have to responsibility, then you have to look government. >> but when i was talking earlier about my concerns about laboun earlier about my concerns about labour, the labor party in terms of cultural policy rather than necessarily economic policy , is necessarily economic policy, is this type of thing . the left this type of thing. the left historically haven't had the most fantastic relationship with freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of expression. i worry that they will clamp down on anything they don't like. and i don't want to live in a country like that. >> i think should get >> well, i think we should get rid of the whole edifice of hate crime in there shouldn't be crime in law. there shouldn't be such a thing. mean, real crime such a thing. i mean, real crime is things like incitement to violence, assault, rape, murder , affray, burglar . those things , affray, burglar. those things are real crimes. but you know, i

was on the london assembly for a while, and i know sadiq khan under sadiq khan, the metropolitan police were totally obsessed with recording hate crime and they would record things like islam phobic burglary and homophobic nick arson to make it aggravated. yeah. and yeah, that would be aggravated. the thing is, all crime should be taken seriously and should have a high and appropriate. this is the thing. >> it creates a two tier and this is why the law commission said after consultation said after lengthy consultation that misogyny a hate that making misogyny a hate crime the best crime probably wasn't the best way tackling crimes . assault way of tackling crimes. assault of women and harassing and rape and all of that horrible stuff. it's a it's a difficult one. i do fundamentally really worry about this clampdown on social media platforms because it is a clampdown on free speech. >> we have already got a government that has clamped down on our right to protest without putting it through parliament properly. we've already seen that. >> yeah, i'm worried about that too. it's very it's very difficult. a vision. a vision

that, as joe is saying, a vision because nana akua has arrived in the studio and she is obviously looking lovely as always . and looking lovely as always. and i'm have to say that that's objectifying you, nana , you're objectifying you, nana, you're up next. not what's coming up on your show . your show. >> misogyny. i hate it. >> misogyny. i hate it. >> it should be hate crime. >> it should be hate crime. >> so i think it's unbelievable. ridiculous and not something that are but we're going to be looking at the labour party and just are actually just asking, are they actually ready for power? because some of the that they've the naive policies that they've put in put through the 28 billion in terms green funding that they terms of green funding that they were planning to initiate , that were planning to initiate, that it they were worried it turns out they were worried it turns out they were worried it destabilise it would destabilise the markets. they've with markets. they've come up with lots ridiculous policies that lots of ridiculous policies that they've on are they've u—turned on and we are to going ask that question because a lot of people are concerned. >> and the other side of it was yesterday when keir starmer was talking women, i found talking about women, i found that i found that quite that quite i found that quite jarring years he jarring because for two years he was say what one was. so was able to say what one was. so we're to going discuss whether he actually protect women's rights. >> it sounds like you're going to through to be picking through the detail, sorting the wheat from

the the spin from the chaff, sorting the spin from the chaff, sorting the spin from the reality. you're the reality. that's what you're going get on nana show going to get on nana show this afternoon. been afternoon. but you've been watching listening watching and listening to gb news with emily news sunday with me. emily carver, to joe carver, thank you to joe phillips. you to david phillips. thank you to david curtin, who've been with me throughout and throughout the two hours. and thank for joining throughout the two hours. and thank forjoining me thank you at home for joining me this afternoon. go this afternoon. don't go anywhere. nana's up next. but before that, let's take a look anywhere. nana's up next. but bethe that, let's take a look anywhere. nana's up next. but bethe weather.'s take a look anywhere. nana's up next. but bethe weather with (e a look anywhere. nana's up next. but bethe weather with jonathan. at the weather with jonathan. >> jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather the weather forecast provided by the met office. this weekend's heavy rain is slowly rain across scotland is slowly beginning to ease off. it will beginning to ease off. it will be turning patchy and lighter throughout of this throughout the rest of this afternoon into this evening afternoon and into this evening as into the overnight as well into the overnight penod period actually pushing southwards. to see southwards. so starting to see some northern some rain move into northern parts of northern ireland and eventually dumfries and galloway, the scottish borders region elsewhere. region as well elsewhere. a drier but quite a lot of drier night, but quite a lot of cloud western cloud pushing into western coastal turn quite coastal areas could turn quite foggy murky here. but foggy and murky here. but underneath cloud underneath all that cloud will be for most of be relatively mild for most of us. temperatures dropping us. temperatures not dropping much below 11 to 15 c. as we start off monday . then there start off monday. then there will be this thick band of cloud for northern ireland, southern scotland into northern areas of england some light

england could bring some light outbreaks rain drizzle in outbreaks of rain and drizzle in places. of the cloud across places. some of the cloud across the back to the the west will burn back to the coastal it could coastal areas, but it could unger coastal areas, but it could linger some throughout linger in some places throughout much day. the best parts much of the day. the best parts of the sunshine will be central areas of into central areas of wales into central southern england southern areas of england as well. temperatures 5 to 6 degrees we'd degrees above where we'd normally at this degrees above where we'd norm.iny at this degrees above where we'd norm.in october, at this degrees above where we'd norm.in october, generally|is point in october, generally ranging 17 and 24 c. ranging between 17 and 24 c. there be changes afoot, there will be changes afoot, though, into tuesday though, as we head into tuesday and frontal system is going and this frontal system is going to start pushing its way in from the slowly its the north—west slowly moving its way so rain way south eastwards. so rain initially northwestern initially across northwestern areas of scotland be not as areas of scotland will be not as heavy as what we've seen over the but it's falling the weekend, but it's falling over very saturated ground. so there possibility of some there is the possibility of some further here. we'll further impact here. we'll eventually into eventually arrive into southeastern we head southeastern areas as we head towards thursday towards wednesday and thursday with conditions with some cooler conditions following behind well. following on behind as well. enjoy the rest your day. bye enjoy the rest of your day. bye bye. >> in a world of dull and predictable radio and tv shows . predictable radio and tv shows. >> oh hi on mark dolan tonight, we've got big guests . we drill we've got big guests. we drill in to the big stories of the day . the show adds up to a brilliant listening and viewing

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the israeli defence services when