and for the next few hours akua and for the next few hours , me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's it's theirs, and of it's mine, it's theirs, and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour , joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with deputy leader of reform uk, ben and also social ben habib, and also social commentator turner . commentator amy nicole turner. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with theo chikomba . with theo chikomba. >> good afternoon . it's 3:00. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm theo chikomba in the newsroom. a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants . that's been hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services

when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had recently been living in central israel . been living in central israel. at least 500 israelis are confirmed dead as fighting in gaza threatens to spiral into a major conflict. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take a mighty vengeance and said his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organ nation. more than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. hamas says israeli hostages are being held in secure places. the prime minister warned those in gaza to leave amid mounting signs that the conflict could spread . the conflict could spread. >> begum what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again. the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength

to hamas's capabilities to destroy hamas's capabilities . we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and its citizens . and its citizens. >> speaking to gb news, israel's deputy ambassador to the uk oren marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks . the attacks. >> he has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shoved her into a car . and the terrorist shoved her into a car. and her and the terrorist shoved her into a car . and her eyes, into a car. and her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they're going to do to me, what kind of people commit these atrocities to other people , to atrocities to other people, to children ? this home secretary children? this home secretary suella braverman has said she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas. >> it comes after videos have

emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags flying while clapping in celebration. immigration minister robert jenrick said one of the videos posted to social media he described those celebrating as disgusting and said there should. there is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas . in a statement, scotland hamas. in a statement, scotland yard said the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. speaking to gb news transport secretary mark harper also condemned the celebrations. >> mass is , of course, >> mass is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation in the united kingdom, so anybody expressing support for it is committing an offence . and i would hope that offence. and i would hope that the metropolitan police will investigate carefully any reports of anybody doing so and will take all the necessary steps aftennards . steps aftennards. >> is a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning . conference event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took

to the podium to officially open the event. labour's deputy leader took to the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government . conservative government. >> it has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. but the tories . also have one but the tories. also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise . power and hold centralise. power and hold wealth where it benefits them and staying with labour, the party says it would use counter—terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous violent offenders in england and wales. >> it's part of labour's mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the

next decade . shadow home next decade. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says officers would be to told relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk . a who pose the greatest risk. a significant quantity of what is thought to have been cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. the national crime agency is investigating after a fisherman discovered holdalls containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea of purbeck more washed up on a beach on the isle of wight. the nca say the class a drugs would have originated in south america. they are urging the public to report any similar packages to their local police force. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's return to nana . now let's return to nana. >> thank you, theo . right. so

>> thank you, theo. right. so before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to head as joining me, deputy leader of reform uk , ben habib, leader of reform uk, ben habib, and author and broadcaster and also author and broadcaster amy nicole turner . so here's amy nicole turner. so here's what's coming up this hour. it's conference season and following deputy leader angela rayner speech we'll be speech this morning. we'll be heading live to liverpool to speak news political speak with gb news political editor christopher hope to get all the latest years on from brexit as well. we'll be looking at the referendum and the telling admission from the bank of governor andrew of england governor andrew bailey, hailed some of bailey, who has hailed some of the opportunities created by brexit, that brexit has brexit, saying that brexit has helped the british helped to protect the british economy. so is it about time people admit that brexit was actually a good thing? as another war erupts in israel, the uk and western allies are still pouring billions of pounds to support ukraine. but as the battle rages on, showing no sign of abating, is it time to end our funding? there and to get starmer made a big song and dance yesterday about his support but this is

support for women. but this is the same starmer who previously struggled to define what a woman is and engaged in woke gender politics. do you trust him on women's issues? and the government is proposing a radical makeover of britain's sick regime to drive to get sick note regime to drive to get brits back to work. so after tories right to call an end to this sick note culture that's coming up in the next hour, as if you can get in touch, you can email me, me what you think email me, tell me what you think and we're discussing. and what we're discussing. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so we are vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so we are well vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so we are well and truly into the swing of party conference season. the lib dems kicked things off in bournemouth. did they ? a few bournemouth. did they? a few weeks ago. anybody remember nana followed by the conservatives last week and the greens on friday and reform yesterday and now it's labour's turn. perhaps their most important party conference in a generation up in liverpool. so joining me now to give us an update on what's on the agenda for the next couple of days and the mood of the

conference is gb news political editor christopher hope. christopher welcome. is christopher welcome. how is it faring? what's mood faring? what's what's the mood like are they talking like there? and are they talking to you? >> what's the mood? >> what's the mood? >> well, the mood is >> well, not the mood is interesting for me. interesting here for me. >> the kind of cardigan era, which is the german jeremy corbyn party leader, has corbyn was party leader, has gone by sharp suits gone to replace by sharp suits as keir starmer is here now, lots of people around here lobbying and activists who aren't wearing sharp suits. but what i mean aren't wearing sharp suits. but whati mean the aren't wearing sharp suits. but what i mean the money is what i mean is the money is going towards labour party going towards the labour party for that i can for the first time that i can remember since really well the early , the early 20, 2010s. early, the early 20, 2010s. that's the kind of feeling that this party may be on the edge of power. so far today we've had angela speak. she gave a angela rayner speak. she gave a good, speech about good, impassioned speech about how sunak taking the how rishi sunak taking the sledgehammer to the foundations of life. she's had the of british life. she's had the labour party will bring back decent jobs , affordable homes decent jobs, affordable homes and strong communities. decent jobs, affordable homes and strong communities . she she and strong communities. she she even unveiled something called a take back control unit. you mentioned brexit before, just then rebalance the scales of then to rebalance the scales of then to rebalance the scales of the system . i can hear the planning system. i can hear you laughing in the studio there, but interesting.

there, but it's interesting. i mean, think there's an attempt mean, i think there's an attempt here to rebrand what is. here to rebrand what brexit is. well, how make it work well, how it how to make it work for people because let's face it, the brexit vote that many people for back in people voted for back in 2016 has yet deliver any real has yet to deliver any real tangible benefits for those who voted it . earlier, we had voted for it. earlier, we had keir starmer talking. he talked about building 1.5 million new homes. that's that's about a third up on what the tories are doing. so far. for me it's the whole tone of it here is they don't want to mess it up. this kind of lead they've got in the polls like a ming vase they're carrying around the kind of political landscape , the dead political landscape, the dead drop. it's they're not doing anything to scare people. not going to increase inflation, income tax or had that from keir starmer already . they just want starmer already. they just want to get over the line almost tip toe power rather than go toe into power rather than go there with a massive acclamation of what we're going to do . and of what we're going to do. and that's that's why you see not a lot of big things happening just mood in a sense. you've mood music in a sense. you've got the tories there for 13 years, in scotland there for

years, snp in scotland there for longer. here's a new party with new ideas and that's the point of this tory of this labour conference in liverpool. >> i can see why you slipped up saying tory. i mean there's not much them. like your much between them. i like your analogy a ming vase because analogy of a ming vase because actually lead seems to be actually their lead seems to be sort coming even more. sort of coming down even more. i mean, heard it was 13 mean, we heard it was 13 percentage points. now so, so the their lead is really closing in. now the tory party seem to be catching them up in some way. is there any sense of that is there any sense of worry that they lose and have they could lose that? and have you to any body yet who's you spoken to any body yet who's mentioned suggested that they you spoken to any body yet who's ment concerned jggested that they you spoken to any body yet who's ment concerned ? gested that they you spoken to any body yet who's mentconcerned ? noted that they you spoken to any body yet who's mentconcerned ? no no, that they you spoken to any body yet who's mentconcerned ? no no, no, they you spoken to any body yet who's mentconcerned ? no no, no, noty were concerned? no no, no, not yet. >> they certainly feel they've got a chance to here beat the tories. i think that that result the best the biggest poll that matters this month has been the rutherglen and hamilton west. by election on friday morning, that huge swing towards the labour party, a 20% swing in scotland means that the party can now think about winning 25, maybe even seats in scotland. and even 30 seats in scotland. and that takes the heat off them, the pressure off them to win seats north of england, seats in the north of england,

the wall that they're the red wall seats that they're not sure about starmer not quite sure about starmer yet. hoping, of yet. the tories are hoping, of course, that these dominoes course, that this these dominoes do come back towards the tory party that's you're party and that's why you're seeing practical seeing these more practical ideas on on net zero and trying to trying to offer more practical solutions to people's problems. we may hear more from rachel reeves tomorrow. don't forget, she's the shadow chancellor about how labour might because what might enrich people because what for the for all these for me, the test for all these conferences is what's in it for our viewers? how might they conferences is what's in it for our vricheri? how might they conferences is what's in it for our vricher oriow might they conferences is what's in it for our vricher or not? night they conferences is what's in it for our vricher or not? ifjht they conferences is what's in it for our vricher or not? if they|ey feel, richer or not? if they vote for these parties ? vote for these parties? >> well, christopher, thank you so much. we'll come back to you throughout the day, will keep us updated. christopher updated. that's christopher hope. news political hope. he's a gb news political editor party editor at the labour party conference. right. so let's get started. let's let me welcome again head head as deputy again my head to head as deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, mr broadcaster amy mr author and broadcaster amy nicole so it's nicole turner. so it's conference season. it's fully and truly undennay. the tory, the tory party conference last week, had reform yesterday . week, we had reform yesterday. labour now in conference labour is now in conference season. ben and amy, what do you think? i'm going to start with

you, amy, actually, because what do you think? are they are they doing the right things? are they making right are you making the right sounds? are you feeling labour are ready? feeling that labour are ready? >> i think labour are on >> we, i think labour are on track reflects that track and polling reflects that . the mood reflects that any thing after the chaos that was last week's tory party conference is going to be an improvement on what a wasted opportunity that was . things opportunity that was. things like smoking bans, a—level scrapping and what was the other one? just oh , fantastical meat one? just oh, fantastical meat taxes as well . i mean, taxes as well. i mean, anything's going to be an improvement, but i think angela rayner's her new new jobs plan very is exactly what we want to hear at the moment. she's strong. she's actually giving us solutions to britain's problems , as anneliese dodds did. another amazing speech pointing out how labour really are the party. >> i struggle with her though, for women. no, no, no. i thought you might mention that i struggle with her because she was another one that couldn't say what a woman is. was another one that couldn't saywe're a woman is. was another one that couldn't saywe're going|an is. was another one that couldn't saywe're going to is. on to that

later. >> yes, we'll come to that. but ben habib. >> well, i mean, as you said, it nana, when christopher hope was speaking, there's hardly a sliver of difference between the conservative the conservative party and the labour parties have labour party. both parties have replaced or would replace given half opportunity, half an opportunity, the tory party unsuccessfully aspiration would wealth would dependency or wealth creation been set aside for creation has been set aside for wealth redistribution. we actually angela rayner actually heard angela rayner talk levelling up from, talk about levelling up from, you know , from the bottom up. you know, from the bottom up. but what she actually means is pulling the top down. that's what labour is going what the labour party is going to can you create wealth to do. can you create wealth unless redistribute it f i rst? first? >> surely that's the key to productivity . productivity. >> at all. the way you >> no, not at all. the way you have economy. that's have to grow the economy. that's both parties lack a vision for growth. we're going to talk about the labour markets. we're going to about how the going to talk about how the tories to get more people tories want to get more people back work. but of course, back into work. but of course, at heart of the at the heart of getting the united kingdom working is cutting the working and cutting taxes on the working and middle so there's not middle classes. so there's not a sliver between them. the party conference been was conference who have been at was reform conference reform uk's party conference yesterday, absolutely yesterday, which was absolutely stimulating . we talked about stimulating. we talked about every single major issue with a

solution on every single major issue in a way that neither the tories nor the labour party are even beginning able to begin with. so i mean we absolutely knocked it out of the park yesterday and he's not biased in any way whatsoever. >> being what is your position position at reform. >> i am now deputy leader of reform. reform. just just put it out there. >> all right. but listen, i want to talk about this because the government of the bank of england, he's england, andrew bailey, he's argued has created argued that brexit has created opportunities in opportunities for the uk. in an interview prospect interview with prospect magazine, actually admitted magazine, he actually admitted that while leaving the eu had a negative impact negative and short term impact on country, which a lot of on the country, which a lot of us who voted to leave predicted the post—brexit landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotentialzxit landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real scape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real longe gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real long term s us potential for real long term good outcomes. now this comes the same week as reports that the same week as reports that the bank of england dedicated 600,000 annually to promote diversity inclusion . the diversity and inclusion. the bank england sort of woke me bank of england sort of woke me up little bit, but is it time up a little bit, but is it time that admit that brexit was that you admit that brexit was actually a good thing? i'm going to with amy, again, to start with you, amy, again, because ben's going because i know what ben's going to pure smoke and

to say is pure smoke and mirrors. to say is pure smoke and mirror:suggest that brexit was a >> to suggest that brexit was a success in any meaningful way . success in any meaningful way. andrew bailey has previously gone on record to say the complete opposite to say. but i think what he's doing here is almost damage limitation. so he's said it's created opportunities in the same way a car crash could create opportunities. plenty to scrap, plenty fix , and a very plenty to fix, and a very expensive insurance claim. it remains the fact that brexit has shrunk the economy by 4% and imports and exports are down by 15. that's the fact. >> okay. but we were the mass importer, weren't we really? so if the imports are lower, we're importing less from them. we're obviously getting it from somewhere else. >> ben habib well, let me just say brexit nothing say this. brexit has got nothing to the state of the to do with the state of the united kingdom's economy. political up, constitutional political set up, constitutional status. feeling, the status. what we're feeling, the effects are the deals that we effects of are the deals that we did with the european union as we left . no one did with the european union as we left. no one can did with the european union as we left . no one can argue that we left. no one can argue that brexit is a failure. brexit is merely the united kingdom taking back becoming an back control, becoming an

independent sovereign nation along with another 167 nations across the world, there are 195. the vast majority of the countries in the world are not part of the eu and they survive perfectly well. but there is a stark contrast between what andrew bailey said yesterday and what his predecessor , mark what his predecessor, mark carney, said back in 2016, who said who set aside, by the way, £250 billion because he thought there'd be a run on the banks if we simply voted to leave, he said we'd lose 75,000 jobs in the city. actually, we've added 100,000 jobs to the city since we left . and brexit offers we left. and brexit offers a phenomenal opportunity. the financial services sector then the brexit offers a financial fantastic option city for the financial services sector , financial services sector, which, like so many other things with this government, we have not taken advantage of. >> amy makes a good point, she said. when are we going to get these things? >> well, we need this is the problem the conservative problem with the conservative party. aligned ourselves problem with the conservative partythe aligned ourselves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed ourselves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed talk elves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed talk about with the eu. when we talk about brexit as i as i said,

brexit failure as i as i said, brexit failure as i as i said, brexit can't fail by definition. but the reason we haven't taken advantage because we advantage of it is because we still remain entirely aligned with eu . we're still with the eu. we're still practising a socially based economic model with wealth redistribution and dependency at the heart of that model. well amy is making a good point. >> we haven't really brexited actually in many respects we're still tied to the eu, so we haven't got lot of those benefits. >> we've had no meaningful benefits at and anybody benefits at all. and anybody who's been living in the uk since referendum can see since the referendum can see that have to have that you don't have to have a meaningful benefit by becoming an sovereign nation. >> minute, that's that's >> wait a minute, that's that's what were promised. what people were promised. >> expected. >> that's what people expected. that's people voted no. that's why people voted no. >> people? >> what people? >> what people? >> one in power actually >> no one in power actually thought that that vote was going to through. nobody thought to go through. nobody thought we were leave. we were actually going to leave. we were actually going to leave. we were going to appease were just going to appease the eurosceptics. but now it happened on day when happened even on the day when that referendum result came in, bofis that referendum result came in, boris himself couldn't that referendum result came in, boris it. himself couldn't that referendum result came in, boris it. ino. ;elf couldn't believe it. oh, no. >> i mean, i completely agree. >> i mean, i completely agree. >> a plan. they don't >> we have a plan. they don't have a plan. and it's not working at the moment. >> i just just stop >> can i just can i just stop you because you just told

you there? because you just told me and those who voted what we voted why for it. voted and why we voted for it. >> did you vote for? >> what did you vote for? >> what did you vote for? >> well, for hopefully >> well, i voted for hopefully us actually empowering ourselves >> well, i voted for hopefully us aactually�*mpowering ourselves >> well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering urselves >> well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering ourelves >> well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering our own and actually empowering our own economy and breaking away from the rules and the european union rules and going getting trade going out and getting trade deals other countries and deals with other countries and also who also being able to decide who should come to this country as well. the eu. well. okay outside of the eu. >> back control of our >> so taking back control of our laws, economically less well laws, our economically less well off, but then also migrate in migration has gone up . migration has gone up. >> but that's got nothing to do with brexit. that's everything to do with the policies being practised by brexit to control immigration. >> that has not been real. >> that has not been real. >> and that's because we've got a government that's because we've got a government that simply unable, unwilling, simply is unable, unwilling, hasn't got the vision, hasn't got the execution skills to take back control . back control. >> well, you sound like a bad workman blaming his tools. >> i'm i'm just i've called >> i'm not. i'm just i've called out the eu deal that we did the two eu deals boris johnson did from the minute they were drafted. deals i >> why would you have us still

in there? we'd still be in there. so the eu is shrinking. it's interesting. their trade so far they're not doing very well. we are growing more than they are than predicted. you are more than predicted. you would have a slightly often would have a slightly we often talk democratic will talk about the democratic will of the people. >> can't be denied. >> right. that can't be denied. i that that vote went i know that that vote went through, unfortunately since through, but unfortunately since that of that the democratic will of the people shifted. people have people has shifted. people have buyers people has shifted. people have buyer's regret. no. if you did a second referendum, i don't think you'd have the same result because those promises were not realised. >> no, well, i'm not. i'm not regretful. ben is not. i'm. i keep hearing. i feel that's just stubbornness, though, because failed to find anybody who voted brexit that says, oh, i've changed my mind and i don't want to. and in fact, i found more people who voted to remain who actually want to leave. and i think this narrative, where's the benefit pushed? >> why does have to be >> why does there have to be a benefit independent benefit to be an independent country? is the country? because that is the benefit. the benefit to benefit. that is the benefit to the point because at the moment we're to up it we're trying to make up for it by saying, look, we've joined by saying, oh look, we've joined a bloc in timbuktu. a trading bloc in timbuktu. >> we trading bloc. >> we had a trading bloc. >> we had a trading bloc.

>> make no excuses for brexit >> i make no excuses for brexit is problem in the uk and we've is a problem in the uk and we've reduced it. we have a problem with productivity we're with productivity because we're practising a european union economic model which is dependent on wealth redistribution, not creation on cheap labour labour. the european union is interesting . i european union is interesting. i was in rome last weekend and i was in rome last weekend and i was speaking at a conference and this was meant to be a pro italian conference. they saw their salvation through the eu. what they don't recognise is the eu is part of the problem. the eu is part of the problem. the eu has a schengen zone. it doesn't want borders, it wants mass migration . it wants people mass migration. it wants people to be able to flow right across europe when they want to flow across europe. eu is a across europe. the eu is a problem practically. >> it's been his last disaster, but philosophically been but philosophically it's been a disaster well because it's disaster as well because it's prompted conversations prompted a conversations and disagreements since disagreements like this since 2016. referendum throwing out the in people. and the extremes in people. and that's what we've seen and that has that has directly contributed to the division that we see in politics rather than people who have not.

>> but silent i that's what it is. the division doesn't change just because people aren't saying anything. i do not like the referenda and the mechanism of referenda and i don't would you? i don't think >> but would you? i don't think it's anything for this it's done anything for this country keep talking about country we keep talking about and we still arguing many and we still arguing how many years later? >> listen, i don't think >> well, listen, i don't think that'll ever change. i the that'll ever change. i am the chief arguing. love it if chief of arguing. i love it if you join us. welcome on you just join us. welcome on board. head. i'm board. it's head to head. i'm nana this is gb news. nana akua. this is gb news. joining me, ben habib and also amy nicole turner. we've got loads come the way. loads still to come on the way. a radical overhaul of sicknote approvals be approvals by gp's is to be announced this autumn in a bid to people back to work. i'll to get people back to work. i'll be the tories be asking you, are the tories right to call for an end to

isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930 . six till 930. >> good afternoon . it's just >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 26 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, a dozen people were wounded, including a mother and her nine month old babyin mother and her nine month old baby in a russian attack on the southern ukrainian region of kherson today. now, this follows reports that us president joe biden is considering a one and done spending bill to fund the war in ukraine until the next presidential election. now, this with a general election on the honzon with a general election on the horizon for the next year in the uk, is it actually time to stop funding ukraine? joining me to battle it out, going head to head, author and broadcaster amy nicole turner and also deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. ben time ?

ben habib, is it time? >> well, we certainly need to reappraise precisely what it is we're hoping to achieve out of ukraine. and we have to be you know, we've got to put the united kingdom when we united kingdom first. when we decide it is we wish to get decide what it is we wish to get out ukraine. the chancellor out of ukraine. the chancellor the day described the the other day described the ukrainian war as the biggest contributor or one of the top three contributors to inflation, that it was really damaging the uk economy. and that's beyond obviously the 4 or 5 billion we've already spent. and the pressure that's on the government to spend another 2 billion on the ukrainian wall, i mean, i'm talking about the indian act, financial and economic impact. indian act, financial and economic impact . and if he's economic impact. and if he's right that this is having such a big burden on the uk economy, we have to think with british interests at heart and i think we're making a huge mistake now in ukraine because our geopolitical aim, which was to prevent russia from taking ukraine and parking its it's missiles on the polish border, that's been delivered. and we now need zelenskyy in my view,

we need zelenskyy to reappraise what his position is and we need to be influencing that decision. and the notion that this is a completely . see this is a war completely. see this is a war where all the money that we're putting in is going towards the war effort is a fundamentally flawed notion. all wars are corrupt. all wars result in in money being taken in nefarious ways. and i'm sure there are a lot of vested interests now wanting to keep this war going, including, of course, the military industrial complex. but a lot of other people will be skimming money out of it. and we need our politicians need to sit back now and decide what do we as a country need? we rushed into afghanistan . we regretted into afghanistan. we regretted it. $3 trillion later, the same with iraq, the same with the arab spring in 2011. and i fear we're beginning to make the same mistakes in ukraine. we need to think very carefully. >> amy. well i would argue that we are putting our interests first by remaining at the

forefront of the conflict , forefront of the conflict, because ultimately the ukrainian security is our national security. >> this is an attack on the west. so the west needs to come together to say, well , is it together to say, well, is it really? i think it really is. if you look at the actual foundations of the conflict , you look at the actual foundations of the conflict, all to do partially with the fact that, you know, there was a problem around nato expansion . problem around nato expansion. putin, putin's reasoning behind this war is a problem with democracy . democracy. >> but but that doesn't so it's an attack on democracy. so i think that's an attack on the west, though. >> i think it is an attack on the west. and i think that's why it's important that the west stand in solidarity against it. >> doesn't he just want the ussr as it originally? so he as it was originally? so he wants ukraine back in the fold? isn't that kind of way? >> i i personally >> i don't i personally would not on that. not be as sure on that. >> but we have to unpick, you know, i think we're in danger of conflating issues. so there are two issues going on here. what

does want the wall does putin want out of the wall and do we want of the and what do we want out of the wall? well, i agree as quickly as possible. we it over as as possible. we want it over as quickly possible. and we want quickly as possible. and we want the the west to go the threat to the west to go away. but we've that away. but we've achieved that aim. pinned down in the aim. he's pinned down in the south ukraine. south eastern region of ukraine. and a real risk, and i think there's a real risk, by the way, there's a real non—negligible risk that russian forces can break out of the east and eastern part of and south eastern part of ukraine and start attacking again. that spring offensive that told would break that we were told would break the resolve. it never the russian resolve. it never came about. they never broke the russian resolve. the russians are holding firm what would russian resolve. the russians are holctog firm what would russian resolve. the russians are holcto westermat would russian resolve. the russians are holcto western foreignld russian resolve. the russians are holcto western foreign policy happen to western foreign policy if russia, some miracle , if russia, by some miracle, managed to break out of being hemmed in south eastern hemmed in in south eastern ukraine? do you think russia would then do deal ? absolutely would then do a deal? absolutely not. it would be an emboldened russia. would be back on the russia. it would be back on the forefront. it would be its forefront. it would be on its fourth. would coming fourth. it would be coming fonnard with aggression . fonnard with super aggression. we've now got a position where russia is entrenched. they're stuck , and we should be using stuck, and we should be using that to try and bring peace. >> but the problem is that i think conversations this

think conversations like this can a fatigue, a war can promote a fatigue, a war fatigue and you forget that in ukraine at the moment, the humanitarian consequences of what's going on, we can't fall, we can't see. >> sure isn't a longer war more death, though. so if it carries on and carries on and we keep pumping weapons, but ignoring it is surely going to it's not ignonng is surely going to it's not ignoring it. but what we're doing now doesn't seem be doing now doesn't seem to be doing now doesn't seem to be doing much. i just think they're still fighting. haven't still fighting. we haven't achieved we're getting still fighting. we haven't achieveof we're getting still fighting. we haven't achieveof nuclear we're getting still fighting. we haven't achieveof nuclear we�*other:ting threats of nuclear and other threats of nuclear and other threats being attacked in threats of being attacked in this country, which is shocking, to do everything we can. >> so when grant shapps said he's going to send troops to train the ukrainian army, that was absolutely to suggest was absolutely daft to suggest that boots are going to that british boots are going to be on ukrainian soil, utterly daft. >> when this war started, one of the sensible things our government said and the americans said was that we wouldn't provide offensive weapons wouldn't put weapons and we wouldn't put boots ground. we are now boots on the ground. we are now provide now providing provide we are now providing offensive weapons. they have weapons are striking russia weapons that are striking russia repeatedly and supplied by us. this is escalating. we need to

be very careful how this war plays out. so you don't think america should have sent those jets ? i don't i don't think we jets? i don't i don't think we should be providing a weapons of aggression. doesn't think so. >> so. >> you think we should carry on with war? what you think with the war? what do you think at think we should end. at home? i think we should end. >> war. >> end the war. >> end the war. >> but the way to end it, it seems to be they're pumping in more if you pump more more weapons. if you pump more weapons, going to end it. >> well, i think you're wanting them to carry on fighting. i'd say we have absolutely say we have to do absolutely everything. also everything. that was also something cleverly something that james cleverly made was foreign made clear when he was foreign secretary, that would secretary, that we would not stop until was at peace stop until ukraine was at peace again. that would a again. and that would be a victory. again. and that would be a victright. well, listen, >> right. okay. well, listen, what you think home? what do you think at home? vaiews@gbnews.com. tweet me now. are your now. get in touch. what are your views the way be views on the way we'll be discussing sexual in discussing sexual harassment in the workplace, which will be given protections as whistleblowers a labour whistleblowers under a labour government. so therefore, if you are doing sort government. so therefore, if you ar(thing, doing sort government. so therefore, if you ar(thing, this doing sort government. so therefore, if you ar(thing, this willjing sort government. so therefore, if you ar(thing, this will be; sort government. so therefore, if you ar(thing, this will be a sort of thing, this will be a criminal offence. i'll be asking you, trust sir keir you, do you trust sir keir starmer issues? but starmer with women's issues? but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines with addison news headlines with ray addison

i >> thanks, nana it's 332. >> thanks, nana it's 332. >> our top story this hour, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday . he the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had recently been living in central israel . well, israel's prime israel. well, israel's prime minister says his entire government supports the decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation . those of you organisation. those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza now where smoke , the result of rocket smoke, the result of rocket blasts , can be seen drifting blasts, can be seen drifting across the skyline. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack, more than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of

rockets while gunmen stormed the border , describing it as border, describing it as a wicked city. the prime minister told gaza's people to leave with begum what happened today has never been seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not happen again. >> the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas's capabilities . we will destroy capabilities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and its citizens i >> well, home secretary suella braverman says she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas . it comes support for hamas. it comes after videos emerged appearing to show people in various parts of london with flags flying while clapping in celebration. in a statement , scotland yard in a statement, scotland yard said the met has increased patrols in the capital. well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning . he was

event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event . labour's deputy leader event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them. you can get more on all of those stories on our website, gbnews.com >> now let's get straight back to nana . good afternoon.

to nana. good afternoon. >> 35 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, coming up, a radical overhaul of sicknote approvals by gps is to be announced this autumn in a bid to get people back to work. i'll be asking other tories right to call for an end to the sicknote culture. but next angela rayner kicked off the labour party conference by labour party conference today by revealing that party plans revealing that the party plans to on sexual to clamp down on sexual harassment at work . sir keir harassment at work. sir keir starmer also made a big song and dance yesterday's dance about yesterday's yesterday about his support for women. but this is the same man who previously struggled to define what a woman is. do you remember he went a i as though he was. i don't know what he was doing with his hand. so can you translate party with women's translate the party with women's issues to discuss? joining me, ben also amy nicholl ben habib and also amy nicholl bev turner. they'll be discussing after

>> the people's channel. britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> so welcome back. if you've just tuned in, where on earth have you been? this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. just coming up to 40 minutes after 3:00 now, the labour party have unveiled new plans down on sexual plans to clamp down on sexual harassment the workplace. new harassment in the workplace. new figures show that almost 5 million women expose such behaviour at work each year and this , of course, follows sir this, of course, follows sir keir starmer's u—turn on gender in july, after he declared that a woman is an adult female. finally it took him two years, but at the beginning he thought that a woman did have a penis.

then she doesn't. but the party's hardened stance on gender contradicted previous gender contradicted his previous pledge law to pledge to change the law to allow to allow trans people to self—declare gender. so this is what they're talking about now. so joining me to go head to head is broadcaster turner is broadcaster amy nicol turner and deputy leader of reform uk, ben i'm to ben habib. amy, i'm going to start with do you trust the start with you. do you trust the labour party women's issues? labour party on women's issues? >> certainly do. >> yes, i certainly do. >> yes, i certainly do. >> but how is this the labour party? >> we are the party of the equal pay >> we are the party of the equal pay act. the labour party are the party that passed the right to choose the labour party are the architects of the equality act, which labour? the labour party you can trust on women's issues, but the labour party, they brought more female mps into politics than any other party, the behaviour towards rosie duffield then, because she was frightened to go to her own party conference because she had confirmed a woman you know confirmed that a woman you know as well as i do that rosie duffield is a trans exclusion free, radical feminist. oh she's not here to defend herself. >> so i just want you to explain why she would i think she would

be pretty open about that fact. >> what's a radical feminist trans exclusion? so rosie duffield accept trans duffield doesn't accept trans women women that's women as women, and that's why she herself a in spot she finds herself in a in a spot of bother . so you are going to of bother. so you are going to find yourself in a spot with that type of with that, with that type of with that, with that type of with that, with that type statement , because, that type of statement, because, you know, that would that would go against the equalities act. no, somebody is no, no. if somebody is undergoing gender reassignment, even if they're a social transition stage and they are recognised as the gender that they are by law. yeah. okay. so that would mean i'm stating biological fact. so it kind of becomes irrelevant. >> no, no, no. it is relevant to me. biological fact is that a trans woman is a biological man, okay? and that's not trans exclusionary. that is the truth . but it is truth, isn't it? but am i right or wrong? i think you're a trans woman, a biological man. just tell me that, amy, you're wrong. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> so. so you're saying that a that a trans woman is not a biological man in rare cases , biological man in rare cases, the sex you were assigned at birth biologically which

birth biologically sex, which is immutable, ? immutable, right? >> fine. okay. so you've admitted it. but. but your biological sex can become irrelevant in the of the irrelevant in the eyes of the law, the way of the way you law, in the way of the way you live. >> talking about facts in every fibre of your experience. so if a trans woman calls up a hospital who is a biological man and says, i think i'm having a miscarriage and i need somebody to and see me, you think to come and see me, you think they should send an ambulance? because eyes of law, because in the eyes of the law, that trans who is that trans woman who is a biological man is actually a woman. just completely woman. i've just got completely lost what saying. lost on what you're saying. >> imagine. you're talking >> so imagine. so you're talking about somebody that hasn't had about a somebody that hasn't had gender reassignment or i don't know the components of their biology. i don't know their physiological bearing . you don't physiological bearing. you don't know what my physiology is, really. you know, i'm a woman, but you don't know if i've got all these talking, do you think that after a man who has now decided to be a woman so you decided to be a woman so you decide nana that i need to finish. you right? >> let me finish the sentence. okay. if you interrupt, you know

what i'm saying? all right. so in your view, going to take in your view, i'm going to take some notes because going. some notes because it's going. trans a biological trans woman who is a biological man was born, once they've man once was born, once they've had reassignment, now had gender reassignment, can now claim that they are pregnant. >> no , no. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> so is a trans woman . when did >> so is a trans woman. when did i ever say that? i've just said you could get. so i've just asked you the scenario of a trans woman who's a man calling the hospital, saying, i'm pregnant, to send pregnant, i need someone to send me because i'm me an ambulance because i'm having of miscarriage having some sort of miscarriage or something that. you or something like that. you would hospital would think that that hospital would think that that hospital would ambulance. would send an ambulance. >> bizarre >> incredibly bizarre proposition to me. proposition to put to me. i don't that i don't think don't think that i don't think that scenario has ever happened . need give me an example . you need to give me an example of that. >> your trans woman. and so you're a man. >> your trans woman. and so youso a man. >> your trans woman. and so youso you an. >> your trans woman. and so youso you think the ambulance >> so you think the ambulance you're a fantasist. goodbye. >> called him. she >> surely she called him. she just because. just called because. >> is no trans there >> no, there is no trans there is woman who's saying is no trans woman who's saying they're miscarriage. they're having a miscarriage. i don't understand this proposition. >> the point making is that, >> the point i'm making is that, you know, that that's ridiculous . you've even called somebody who that who would say that as a fantasist. so, you their fantasist. so, you know, their biology point is biology matters. so my point is that a trans woman is a

biological man, and they cannot be they cannot have be pregnant. they cannot have a baby. >> i think i think you're you're conflating , which is something conflating, which is something rosie you're rosie duffield does. you're conflating with conflating biological sex with genden conflating biological sex with gender. that's not the way think. >> i think that you are you are actually separating biological sex from gender, and i don't agree with that . agree with that. >> i mean, make me well, i mean, l, >> i mean, make me well, i mean, i, you know, for me, there there are only two sectors, two sexes, and there are only two genders. and i wouldn't call a man who i identifies himself as a woman, as a trans woman. i'd say he's still a trans man. he's a man thatis still a trans man. he's a man that is trans. and i think part of the issue here, this is very digressing slightly. i'm digressing slightly. i'm digressing slightly, but it's an important point because language is often being to promote these kind of ideologies . he's still kind of ideologies. he's still a man. he's still a man. and he may have he may recognise himself to be a woman. he may wish to be called jane. and i'd be very happy to call him jane, but he is still a man and at best he's a trans man because he

identifies as something else. he's trans. he's a man, he's trans. he's a trans man. he's not a trans woman. there's nothing woman about him apart from and apart maybe a wig from and apart from maybe a wig and lipstick. >> or maybe he had cosmetic >> or maybe he had some cosmetic surgery. nothing woman about >> there's nothing woman about him. dysphoria, gender him. gender dysphoria, gender dysphoria. recognising yourself to is to be a sex which you're not is a condition. it's a psychiatric condition. it's not an ideological position. it's a psychiatric condition. and i agree with you that we shouldn't be prejudiced against people who have that have that gender dysphoria, but we must recognise in order for society to be sane and for government regulations and policies not to be made that are contrary to the women's interests. apart from anything else , we've got to be anything else, we've got to be sensible in the way that we address this issue. a man is a man in and thankfully because we're talking about testosterone levels off air. thankfully, women are women . and you know , women are women. and you know, and that's always been the case. >> this whole reductive way of

speaking about women's rights, women's issues , as if they boil women's issues, as if they boil down to who who isn't allowed in a toilet cubicle is where we're going wrong. we need to talk about women's issues , medical about women's issues, medical misogyny , unaffordable childcare misogyny, unaffordable childcare , a failure to tackle violence , , a failure to tackle violence, get women and girls. but if you can't define a woman focusing, if you can't define nonsense issue that affects not point nought 5. no, no, no , no. the nought 5. no, no, no, no. the trans community is 0.5% of the population . but what about population. but what about women? so why are we focusing and harassing this community then? the right? and harassing this community then? the right ? why not the then? the right? why not the right? >> our children are being taught trans community are not at odds with women's rights. >> they never have because the debate been compromised. debate has been compromised. >> debate has gone >> because the debate has gone ridiculous, frankly. yeah our children are children are being. they're being taught at school that if they wish to identify as another sex, they can they're being taught that there are 72 genders. >> they are not being taught

that that is precisely what they're also being taught that 72 genders thing actually came from. it was all the different ways, different cultures describe third sex, non—binary genden describe third sex, non—binary gender. that was just a list . so gender. that was just a list. so you have two spirit, third genden you have two spirit, third gender, whatever. was just it gender, whatever. it was just it was never 72 genders and it's been completely misrepresented across the board and it's incredibly frustrating to see. since 2010, we've had the equalities act brought in to just give trans people the dignity and respect they deserve. we've had no problems. we haven't had an upsurge in to say that these women's spaces kemi badenoch is working on making sure that biological sex actually matters. >> so she's making sure because at time was written , we at the time it was written, we didn't this division at the didn't have this division at the time it was written. sorry, we didn't we hadn't separated biology reality. so now biology from reality. so now things kemi things have changed. kemi badenoch is working on actually making sure that biological sex is what is actually what actually matters, not the sex that you are to get a big that you are going to get a big shock when all trans men shock when all the trans men come the women's loos because come in the women's loos because that's for

ulti m ately. >> b ut ulti m ately. >> but they ultimately. >> but they shouldn't be allowed women women, though, they're >> the women, though, they're women. why women. the biological women. why would about that? would i be shocked about that? >> in. yeah. sorry >> oh, coming in. yeah. sorry the women. yeah. keeping the beds going, but sharing a bedroom the load of women. >> and that's not the main issue. main issue is the issue. the main issue is the hijacking language the actual. >> yeah, i think and it doesn't stop just with gender ideology. it it moves into the ethnic it also it moves into the ethnic ethnic as it moves into ethnic minority as it moves into this, you know, equality die , this, you know, equality die, you know, diversity , equality you know, diversity, equality and inclusion and our children. and i want to focus on the children. our children are being taught a whole plethora of ridiculous ideological nonsense, such as, for example, if you're white and you don't recognise you've got a privilege, you're unconscious racist, that that just being white in itself gives you some kind of edge that you need to have taken away from you in order to level the playing field. >> critical race theory. critical race theory is here. that's whole nother that's a whole nother discussion. it's part of

discussion. no, but it's part of the same ideology plethora that they are promoting in schools . they are promoting in schools. >> and the other thing that our children are being taught is that effectively being a living organism carbon, organism and producing carbon, we our very existence is we are our very existence is a threat to the planet. and we're soon going to be measuring our own carbon emissions as individuals . our children are individuals. our children are being brought up not to have self confidence. that is deeply damaging a society and we are damaging to a society and we are hollowing out the united kingdom because we can't get our language straight. we need to start calling women, men start calling women, women, men , men. that makes no difference what colour you are, what creed you are, what religion you are. it's the content of your character, not the colour of your skin. >> endorsing transphobia, denying racism and claiming we live in a post—racial society. >> if you want to identify in which trans people don't exist just because that's what you've just because that's what you've just posited, i think. >> i think you've paraphrased that negative that and quite a negative manner, i think you've manner, and i think you've actually made that. that doesn't sound what he saying to sound like what he was saying to me. that's what you've me. so if that's what you've interpreted he's

interpreted from what he's saying, find quite interesting. >> i you could identify yourself as would. and i would as john and i would. and i would call you john and i would treat you ultimate respect it you with ultimate respect and it would make difference to me would make no difference to me in workplace that but in the workplace that way. but i would recognise you to be would not recognise you to be a man and who's that helping? >> people >> i've been around people who have routinely misgender id have been routinely misgender id and seen the damage it can and i've seen the damage it can do you. that is what do you. and that is what contributes to this horrendous self—esteem . self —esteem. >> amy, you self—esteem. >> amy, you said you've been misgendered. what? no i've been around people who been around people who have been misgendered somebody's misgendered so somebody's pointed out a reality so broken the illusion. pointed out a reality so broken the can sion. pointed out a reality so broken the can you not see what did it >> can you not see what did it cause the reality is that it harms people. the reality is that they're not the gender that they say they are. >> you could do your best. >> you could do your best. >> we are a compassionate and respectful society. we are civilised people. if i routinely called you man all the time, called you a man all the time, how would that make you feel ? how would that make you feel? you'd say, not a man. you'd say, he's not a man. >> but i'm not a man. >> but i'm not a man. >> amy exactly. as three gender conforming people , it's so conforming people, it's so simple here and simple for us to sit here and say this will and make

say how this will and won't make you but i can assure you, you feel, but i can assure you, if you were routinely misgender id, not have you would id, it would not have you would not good impact on your not have a good impact on your self—esteem, which you are apparently so about. apparently so concerned about. >> basically, order to >> amy basically, in order to keep people happy, we need keep those people happy, we need to lie. >> i can't understand why, including people not including so worrying , is changing the so worrying, is changing the language. >> changing language. language. >> talkingnging language. language. >> talking about language. language. >> talking about somethingje. you're talking about something else. we're going move else. listen we're going to move on we're not going to on because we're not going to get anywhere. too much get anywhere. we take too much time this. it's an time with this. it's an important though, because important thing, though, because i'm whether trust i'm asking whether you trust laboun i'm asking whether you trust labour. there are labour. there are so there are such plethora of issues facing such a plethora of issues facing women and the inclusion of trans people within conversation people within the conversation is not a concern really . is not a concern really. >> perhaps it's the broader ideology , ethical implication. ideology, ethical implication. >> i want a real world example of when it's actually impacted you, because i don't believe there is one. >> stop it. stop it right there. we're going to move on because i think it's important that we do because we've got loads more to discuss. i don't think we're going to get any agreement between those two or with me on that but the government is

that one. but the government is actually to radical actually planning to a radical overhaul regimes overhaul on sicknote regimes in this autumn the this country. the autumn in the autumn, a lot of people do get sick. so official data shows that workers take an average of 7.8 a year in terms of 7.8 days off a year in terms of illness, work and pensions secretary health secretary mel stride and health secretary steve barclay are working for a treat working on plans for a treat them first approach. the new plans could remove gps as the first port of call for those seeking approval for being signed from work . so are the signed off from work. so are the tories call for an end tories right to call for an end to sick note culture? ben to the sick note culture? ben habib they're absolutely right to end to the sick note culture. >> there are over 2 million people out of the workplace completely claiming to have mental health issues and that is obviously a record number for. and we need to understand why it is they claim to have mental health issues. and if they haven't got mental health issues, they need to get back into work or they need to have their benefits reclassified . but their benefits reclassified. but what worries me about the statement that the government's made is that it intends to do this and so much about what the government says is about

intention rather than why haven't they just done it? why haven't they just done it? why haven't they just got up in the morning, passed whatever statutory instrument they need to order to get this to pass in order to get this done. it's like everything else, you we know it's you know, we all know it's a problem. we all recognise it's anissue problem. we all recognise it's an issue the government recognises, we recognise an recognises, we recognise it's an issue. so they address in the issue. so they address it in the future but they never future tense. but they never action well , let's see what action it well, let's see what m53 action it well, let's see what ms3 do. >> do we all know it's a problem? do we all recognise it's a problem? >> no, i think it's a sick >> no. no, i think it's a sick note. culture has always wheeled out by rather ironically, lazy governments to place blame on people for why they're not in work and falsely equating ill ness with unfitness to work . so ness with unfitness to work. so really, if we want to solve this, let's look at why people aren't in work and look at the social problems. maybe it could be because there's no flexible working offered. maybe it's because they are under a lot of stress. you cannot underestimate what stress does to a person. so governments really could try and deal with the problems of why

people are off work and offer solutions rather than something punitive, which has actually been tried and tested. i think gordon brown had this fit to work rather than sick note and all it did was push people into inappropriate, insecure working environments which actually did them more harm than good in the end. and people suffered so let's look at the reasons why people aren't in work. >> there's a lot of people off work and a lot of them it's not because they're lazy. >> it's not because we've got this nation of the malingerer . this nation of the malingerer. brits actually our employment record in comparison to our european neighbours, we have more people in employment . it's more people in employment. it's more people in employment. it's more a case that there are circumstances preventing people from working . and we need to from working. and we need to look at those rather than just signing people off as well. i lazy i do agree with you that interesting by the way that you said we've got more people in work than the european union has. >> and you're absolutely right.

they have much higher levels of youth unemployment, particularly, which i think is very dangerous for a country to have high youth unemployment. but have staggering levels but we do have staggering levels of people on benefits. and i think the tax system really needs to be looked at very carefully. we also have staggering number of people on waiting lists. >> we also have a staggering ageing population. >> we also have a staggering ageing could ation. >> we also have a staggering ageing could gom. >> we also have a staggering ageing could go on. >> we could go on. >> we could go on. >> are so many reasons why >> there are so many reasons why people aren't working. >> lots of lists, lots >> we've got lots of lists, lots of you been getting in touch. let's some of your views on let's read some of your views on with regard angela rayner. with regard to angela rayner. richard angela rayner richard says angela rayner speeches an speeches always have an undercurrent of venom towards hard people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth . people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth . never people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth . never forget)eople undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth . never forget how .e undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth . never forget how she and wealth. never forget how she described the tories . leopards described the tories. leopards do not change their spots as she described them as scum, didn't she? says tories she? michael says tories virtually indistinguishable. she? michael says tories virtually indistinguishable . all virtually indistinguishable. all greens don't ever greens and liberals don't ever register in my consciousness reform. for me, one for reform. for me, that's one for you, ben, and then on the on rayner speech, if labour make misogyny would misogyny a hate crime, would they androgyny a hate they make androgyny a hate crime? feminists today can crime? some feminists today can be androgynous . emily be extremely androgynous. emily says reform is the way ahead again. another one for you.

crikey, ben and then andrew also says with regard labour, says with regard to labour, labour means more ulez net labour means means more ulez net zero and undoing of brexit and throwing more at france to throwing more money at france to stop boats . well, let's keep stop the boats. well, let's keep your thoughts coming. thank you so much to amy, nicole turner your thoughts coming. thank you so nben to amy, nicole turner your thoughts coming. thank you so nben habib.r, nicole turner your thoughts coming. thank you so nben habib. they'll) turner your thoughts coming. thank you so nben habib. they'll belrner your thoughts coming. thank you so nben habib. they'll be with and ben habib. they'll be with me for the next hour. you're with me akua. this is gb with me on nana akua. this is gb news the way. labour are in

it's 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv onune nana akua. we're live on tv online and digital radio for the next two hours. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. be debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing, we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is author is broadcaster and author christine and also christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. before we get started, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with ray addison . headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 4:00. our top story this hour, it's 4:00. our top story this hour , a 20 year old british man hour, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants and that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in

north london and had recently been living in central israel . been living in central israel. well, israel's prime minister says they will turn anywhere hamas terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas . now. people of gaza to leave those areas. now. now, people of gaza to leave those areas . now. now, those of you areas. now. now, those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where smoke, the result of rocket blasts has been seen drifting across the skyline as buildings are targeted. benjamin netanyahu , who vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. more than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. the israeli military say they're still fighting hamas in eight areas near gaza . hamas eight areas near gaza. hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places . held in secure places. >> begum what happened today has never been seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not

happen again. the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas's capabilities . we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and citizens . and its citizens. >> while speaking to gb news, israel's deputy ambassador to the uk oren marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks. >> she has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorists shove her into a car . and the terrorists shove her into a car. and her and the terrorists shove her into a car . and her eyes, into a car. and her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they are going to do to me. what kind of people commit these atrocities to other people , to atrocities to other people, to children ? this police in london children? this police in london are stepping up reassurance

patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel . the violence in israel. >> more videos have emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of the city some holding flags while clapping and cheering. immigration minister robert jenrick described those celebrating as disgusting and said there is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas. the met police says the situation in israel may lead to protests over the coming days . a protests over the coming days. a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning . he was event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories also have one

singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them . staying where it benefits them. staying with labour and the party says it would use counter—terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous, violent offenders in england and wales. >> it's part of labour's mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade . shadow home next decade. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says officers would be told to relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk . and who pose the greatest risk. and finally, the north of scotland is at risk of severe flooding after torrential rainfall yesterday and through the night. the met office has issued a warning of danger to life . while warning of danger to life. while landslides have blocked roads in the west of the country, at

least ten people were rescued from their cars by helicopter while many train services remain suspended . meanwhile, in the suspended. meanwhile, in the south, conditions are dry, with temperatures reaching 25 degrees in some areas . as this is gb in some areas. as this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's return to nana . as five minutes after to nana. as five minutes after 4:00. >> this is a gb news on tv, onune >> this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . now before we go any nana akua. now before we go any further, party season is in full swing . the lib dems kicking swing. the lib dems kicking things off in bournemouth a few weeks ago, followed by the conservatives last the conservatives last week, the greens on friday and reform yesterday and it's now the turn of labour. perhaps their most important conference important party conference in a generation . it's in liverpool. generation. it's in liverpool. so joining me now to give us an update on what's on the agenda for next couple days and

for the next couple of days and the mood of the conference, is the mood of the conference, is the gb news political editor christopher christopher christopher hope. christopher hope, now hope, it seems a bit busier now . have you managed to get to . so have you managed to get to speak anybody? and what are speak to anybody? and what are people what's what's the people saying? what's what's the mood like there? yeah hi, nana. >> yeah, it certainly feels to me that there's a different labour party here in liverpool to previous years. cardigans to previous years. the cardigans of jeremy corbyn's time in office in office, i should say. tom the party have been replaced by sharp suits because i think there's a feeling here of the party if that poll leads still holds 1720 points ahead of the tory party, this party should be in office at some point later next year , the general election. next year, the general election. that's certainly the feeling i'm getting here. looking at the hall there, i went to see angela raynen hall there, i went to see angela rayner, the deputy leader, speak earlier. talked there about earlier. she talked there about the fact that she said how rishi sunak has taken a sledgehammer to the foundations of british life, that she would bring back decent jobs, affordable, affordable housing and a strong community if labour win the next election. and that's the feeling

here of a party on the up. there's i think that there's nerves too. i think that that poll lead is one that many would say has not been fully earned by the labour party. in a sense, snp and the tories sense, the snp and the tories have surrendered their lead because of behaviour in because of their behaviour in office. it's like a kind ming office. it's like a kind of ming vase party is carrying vase that the party is carrying around. daren't it, around. they daren't drop it, therefore they don't say too much. that will frighten people. so you've heard a language already recent they already in recent weeks they won't increase income tax rachel reeves tomorrow is not expected to announce major tax rises to pay to announce major tax rises to pay for things they're going to borrow when they afford to borrow when they can afford to borrow when they can afford to borrow then forget this borrow and then forget this non—dom tax, that tax benefit for very rich people in this country that should pay for some parts of their policies. the other is removing the vat other part is removing the vat free of private schools . free status of private schools. othennise, we're not really clear on how labour might pay for it . for it. >> that's often the way with these things. they can't possibly raise taxes anymore because we're already taxed to the hilt, so that's not going to go down well. so who are the speakers today? is anybody going to today and if so,

to be talking today and if so, have got of what they have we got a sniff of what they might be saying? >> i say, angela rayner is the main person. she said earlier how she she wanted people to be able back control of the able to take back control of the planning . now you and i planning system. now you and i might remember that term as being phrase the being the catch phrase on the side during the side of the bus during the brexit referendum in 2016. the idea being i'm seeing it more and more for labour. they are starting to adopt some of the language of that brexit vote. the leave campaign and readopt it for their own it redefine it for their own terms. quite clever terms. that's quite clever politics because it's an idea of giving people back control over their their livelihoods and where they're living, their community parties. and that's the language they're adopting. quite we quite clever. i think. also we heard that they would boost the minimum no surprise there minimum wage. no surprise there because year that minimum minimum wage. no surprise there becal does year that minimum minimum wage. no surprise there becaldoes go year that minimum minimum wage. no surprise there becaldoes go lip,ii' that minimum minimum wage. no surprise there becaldoes go up, even: minimum minimum wage. no surprise there becal does go up, even undernum minimum wage. no surprise there becal does go up, even under the wage does go up, even under the tory government there's also tory government. there's also earlier from keir starmer plans to one, build 1.5 million to build one, build 1.5 million new homes over the first five years of a labour government . years of a labour government. about a third up on what the tories their current tories would do at their current rates. you seeing gentle, rates. so you are seeing gentle, incremental change here, but not

much more than that from from this labour which as i this labour party which as i say, does feel like here there's a feeling of optimism, but there always at these always is at these party conferences. appreciate conferences. i do appreciate that a bubble for that it can be a bubble for people covering the news here, but feel like there's but it does feel like there's a feeling of that the party is on the towards towards running the way towards towards running the way towards towards running the country again after a 13 year break. >> interesting. don't think >> interesting. i don't think she mentioned rwanda, she? >> interesting. i don't think she mersaided rwanda, she? >> interesting. i don't think she mersaid thatvanda, she? >> interesting. i don't think she mersaid that they], she? >> interesting. i don't think she mersaid that they would he? they've said that they would even working, they'd even if it was working, they'd get rid of it. just very briefly. sorry. >> no, we've heard that we've we've that from we've heard that from keir starmer morning, that starmer this morning, that elsewhere his morning elsewhere on his morning broadcast round that would broadcast round that he would actually reverse the rwanda plan if it were if it were made legal by the supreme court. of course, the first hearing is on on monday, and we're going to hear back from judges down in back from the judges down in london november. if london later in november. if they rule, it's okay. we'd think that the first flights to rwanda are to process and to deal with people who arrive here illegally over the southern border of england will not take place until easter. and that until easter. and if that happens, would start to do?

happens, what would start to do? well, the tories are licking their lips, but they can see said already that they would reverse plan and instead of reverse that plan and instead of relying on talking further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other talking further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other lawing further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other law enforcementith with other law enforcement agencies on continental europe to crack down further that way. but whether that works, we'll wait see. but whether that works, we'll wai christopher , thank you very >> christopher, thank you very much. that's christopher hope. he's a gb news political editor. he's a gb news political editor. he labour party he is at the labour party conference. i'm conference. you're with me. i'm nana this is news nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. now, every now and again i meet an ardent remainer, you know, the kind who looked down on brexiteers like me. you know, the ones who sarcastically called everyone who voted to leave racist, even though had leave racist, even though we had good like for example, good reason. like for example, the down wages by the driving down of wages by cheaper workers because cheaper eu workers because sterling was valued so much higher . sterling was valued so much higher. large companies who exacerbated this, they were drunk on cheap labour. there were the people who were fortunate and rich enough to own properties within eu countries or those wealthy enough to travel there regularly . upset travel there regularly. upset about the extra red tape and queues at immigration. oh dear,

my heart bleeds . but even worse, my heart bleeds. but even worse, i couldn't contend with countless members of the eu parliament on six figures salaries out on jollies every month in brussels. i didn't see why i, as a british taxpayer, should have to contribute. i saw the whole thing as a huge monolith , wasteful, stubborn and monolith, wasteful, stubborn and slow, and it turns out i was right. the eu have been wasting billions over the years. misspending the money on its of its contributors on defunct projects. and that is according to its own financial watchdog. their own auditors. the european court of auditors identified numerous projects where money had been allocated that frankly should never have been given , should never have been given, like, for example, an italian farmer who received money to maintain an orchard of lemon trees. but he hadn't been farming for years, or a chemical factory in poland claiming over the a grant for a pilot the odds for a grant for a pilot for friendly chemicals. for eco friendly chemicals. breaking eu rules. and these are just a few that have been identified. how many more are receiving subsidies or grants unnecessarily? and it transpires

in 2022 of the ,196 billion spent 4.3. so over 8 billion was spent 4.3. so over 8 billion was spent on dodgy projects. that was up 1.3% from the previous year , an eye—watering amount to year, an eye—watering amount to misapplied cypriot. the auditors found errors in 11 out of 13 post—pandemic grants and numerous cases of fraud . money numerous cases of fraud. money was also wasted on eu funded projects outside the zone . frank projects outside the zone. frank ferretti, the executive director of the mcc brussels think tank , of the mcc brussels think tank, said if auditors wrote such a report about a business, its chief executive and directors would be expected to resign. even bank of england governor andrew bailey has admitted that brexit has created opportunities despite the short term negative opportunities. and i keep heanng opportunities. and i keep hearing reports that most people who voted to leave wish they hadn't. but i haven't actually met anyone who's changed their mind . this is just an attempt to mind. this is just an attempt to make people uncertain make people feel uncertain of their decision . brexit, in my their decision. brexit, in my view, is a blessing. we need to seize day and thank god seize the day and thank god we left . ra right. so before we get

left. ra right. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking are labour ready for power? and would the labour party outlining their policies couple of policies over the next couple of days their conference? essex days at their conference? essex starmer's to starmer's party ready to actually take the reins, then at 450, take the reins like angela rayner rains that sounds oh dear dean rayner rains that sounds oh dear dear, no no no. rain doesn't. oh dean dear, no no no. rain doesn't. oh dear. no let's stop there then. at 450 it's worldview with the escalating crisis in israel after the devastating surprise attack mond, attack from hamas, gary mond, chairman the national jewish chairman of the national jewish assembly, be joining me to assembly, will be joining me to discuss . plus, we'll the discuss. plus, we'll get the latest from across the pond with paul duddridge, host the paul duddridge, host of the politics podcast. politics people podcast. will donald surprise bid donald trump make a surprise bid for of the house? and at for speaker of the house? and at five, it's this week's outside now mystery guest certainly now a mystery guest certainly knows make impression knows how to make an impression .even knows how to make an impression . even in 1981, he made his tv debut. but it wasn't until 1983 when he made his television breakthrough with live from her

majesty's, but who could it possibly be? i hear a big cycling christine. i think she's worked it out. that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you on everything we're you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. i'm not going to tell. right let's get started. welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, bbc broadcaster and author christie hamilton. oh, right . right. >> have you noticed nana that yet again? yes. danny has ignored the colour memo. >> i know we've done it again and you have ignored it. >> a bevvy of abrasive beauties, a bevvy of beauties . a bevvy of beauties. >> but you two are like you two are like the italian lemon farmer who didn't have any lemons. >> but for the radio audience , >> but for the radio audience, they're looking beautiful in summer yellow. and it's like a summer's day outside. >> it's i've driven 96 miles to get here. oh i wondered how long it take. i've had my it would take. i've had my sunglasses all the way . sunglasses on all the way. beautiful. i've come a hundred miles train. have you really? >> yes. so there you are.

>> yes. so there you are. >> competition on the train anyway . yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. right . anyway. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. right. danny anyway. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. right . danny kelly. yeah. all right. danny kelly. i haven't anybody who's haven't met anybody who's changed their mind brexit, changed their mind about brexit, have changed their mind about brexit, hav no, i don't think i have. >> no, i don't think i have. there ardent remainers out there are ardent remainers out there, there's that there, and there's still that sniping. accidentally sniping. if you accidentally tune stations tune into certain radio stations at certain times the morning, at certain times of the morning, you'll hear this bullying, sniping and all of these dog whistles and all of these subtle hints that everyone who voted for brexit is racist. the one thing that really annoyed me at the there was this the time, there was this horrible line not everyone who voted brexit is a racist, but all the racists voted for brexit. i mean, that's just obvious nonsense. there are so many reasons that people voted to so many reasons to remain and so many reasons that people voted for brexit. i know this guy. he's not a friend, but he's a business associate who is one of most associate who is one of the most racist individuals you'll ever meet. but voted remain meet. but he voted remain because he's involved with importing stuff italy, one importing stuff from italy, one of racist individuals. of the most racist individuals. so just complete garbage. so it's just complete garbage. and people voted brexit for a number of reasons and people voted remain a number of voted remain for a number of reasons. haven't single

reasons. i haven't met a single person it's not on the person and it's not on the agenda it's only on the agenda for it's only on the agenda for it's only on the agenda at certain times of the day. stations day. on certain radio stations or certain tv shows. they have a pathologic hatred towards brexit. they're pathological. >> it's i have met people who've changed their minds, but they've changed their minds, but they've changed their minds from remain to brexit. i've met people coming the other way, but you're absolutely most people absolutely right. most people have about it and have just forgotten about it and they're on. why have we they're getting on. why have we forgotten the forgotten about it? because the government nothing forgotten about it? because the goverr it. ant nothing forgotten about it? because the goverrit. we nothing forgotten about it? because the goverrit. we haven't nothing forgotten about it? because the goverrit. we haven't achieved about it. we haven't achieved brexit. we've got it on brexit. yes we've got it on paper , but that's all. what paper, but that's all. what annoyed me at the time. it was the sort of metropolitan elite with the noses in the air who thought that it didn't really matter what the little people thought. and they were so astonished when the vote came through as it did, they confidently thought that they were going to win these remainers suddenly remainers and they suddenly realised actually no realised that actually no ordinary people, people in working class areas and people who have none the privileges who have none of the privileges that they have, you know, they don't have second they don't have second homes, they don't have second homes, they don't swimming pools , they don't have swimming pools, they

don't have swimming pools, they don't they don't don't have yachts. they don't have that. have have any of that. don't have huge great pensions. they huge great fat pensions. they suddenly around suddenly turned around and said, no, enough. want to no, we've had enough. we want to govern ourselves. but we're seeing that obviously the seeing now that obviously the european union, which always european union, which i always thought was there will be elements corruption within it. >> there has to be. we're finding lots the finding that lots of the projects now, lot of the money projects now, a lot of the money that's been some of it's been misappropriated and these are only own auditors only the ones their own auditors have this is what have gone in. and this is what was the telegraph was reported in the telegraph today and found a lot of billions i 8 billion, a lot a lot money. it's a lot of money. >> and ukraine trying to get into the european union. there was a report last week was a report out last week saying ukraine is of saying that ukraine is one of the most countries on the most corrupt countries on planet earth. and they're wondering all of these billions of been of pounds that have been chucked at ukraine and they're the missiles, the war, the armaments. know where they armaments. we know where they are can be audited are because they can be audited and flying and they're currently flying oven and they're currently flying over. been questions >> there have been questions about yeah exactly. about that. yeah exactly. >> ben talking about >> well, ben was talking about it wasn't he? it just earlier, wasn't he? anyone in and the anyone who tuned in and the previous hour, he was saying exactly knows where exactly that. who knows where all is going and all this money is going and a lot of money's been we know lot of the money's been we know for fact zelenskyy fire

for a fact zelenskyy did fire a load people who seem to be load of people who seem to be buying porsches and all sorts of things. >> may i also just say what a great level brexit has been? great level of brexit has been? because of a sudden you've because all of a sudden you've got from parts got people from different parts of coming to the of the world coming to the united kingdom on merit. now united kingdom on merit. and now i benefited with i have actually benefited with my away from my business away from broadcasting leamington broadcasting in royal leamington spa. benefited because spa. i have benefited because there lot of indians there have been a lot of indians coming there working at coming in there working at companies i've companies like siemens, and i've started following started a real loyal following where are recommending me where people are recommending me as a used dealer and as a as a used car dealer and i am benefiting from indians coming in with their young families cleaning up. families and i'm cleaning up. it's and it's families and i'm cleaning up. it great and it's families and i'm cleaning up. it great leveller and it's families and i'm cleaning up. it great leveller because,:i it's families and i'm cleaning up. it great leveller because, you; a great leveller because, you know, if you're from europe, you have unfettered access to the great whereas a great britain, whereas all of a sudden you be unskilled sudden you could be unskilled and be tossing around at and you can be tossing around at the bottom of town in leamington spa, boozed a spa, getting boozed up, not a penny name and milking penny to your name and milking the of sudden the system. all of a sudden you're having qualified, you're having highly qualified, highly individuals highly intelligent individuals with it's with families coming in. it's a leveller. i think so. >> from other countries >> and from other countries outside european outside the european union, which actually which is great. so actually what's we've what's happened is we've actually with more actually ended up with more immigration from countries outside than outside the eu rather than unvetted immigration from within. we

within. it but unfortunately we haven't really used the rules properly and we've taken too many from outside the many people in from outside the eu with our own immigration system. done system. so we haven't done a proper points based, proper and we actually do better we could actually do better than that. we could do better. >> well, i think two of the big reasons why the eu is so furious with this is, first of all, because they fear landslide, because they fear a landslide, because they fear a landslide, because now done brexit. because we've now done brexit. we'll and can't we'll get brexit and i can't think the others think. think what all the others think. oh do. they think that others, oh i do. they think that others, which is why they're trying to make so difficult us so make it so difficult for us so that countries think, that other countries think, oops, we try they're oops, if we try that they're going also we were going to be. and also we were providing an enormous providing such an enormous amount is amount of the money that is being wasted. was the being wasted. that was the point. lost a massive, point. they've lost a massive, massive contributor. we were i just finally say then just finally say finally then i think ship has sailed about think that ship has sailed about them trying to it difficult them trying to make it difficult for because i think we've for us because i think we've i think through that. think we've come through that. >> i think other people >> and i think other people looking that we've looking in can see that we've come that and we are come through that and we are great britain and we are a success. well i hope you're right. >> course we're right. okay. >> of course we're right. okay. this is gb news. we are right. we're live. right online we're live. we're right online on radio. up next, it's

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great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are labour ready for power? i mean, would you trust control of trust them to take control of our labour are in our country? labour are in liverpool week as kick liverpool this week as they kick off their party conference and leader sir keir starmer is grappling with convert on grappling with how to convert on a commanding poll lead and how to that power to convert that into power before next general before the next general election. now labour has said their standards quite high, including misogyny a hate including making misogyny a hate crime . crime. >> the next labour government will amend the equalities to act introduce a legal duty for employers to take all reasonable steps to stop sexual harassment before it starts. but that's not all. we will make misogyny a hate crime . hate crime. >> they've pledged to take on tech titans who, in their view, are helping create toxic attitudes towards women . and attitudes towards women. and they also plan to reverse the government's rwanda migrants plan , even if the supreme court plan, even if the supreme court rules it as legal and it results in the fallout of the fall in small boat crossings. but do you believe them? i mean, that is

the big question. and let's not forget the numerous proposed policy u—turns, including a £28 billion annual investment in green which scrapped green energy, which was scrapped because was excuse me, because it was excuse me, because it was excuse me, because it was feared it could destabilise i mean, destabilise the markets. i mean, are too naive? for the are they too naive? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, are labour ready for power? joining now, ben power? so joining me now, ben habib, of reform habib, deputy leader of reform uk. nicholl, social uk. amy nicholl, social commentator peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist. edwina former edwina currie. she's a former conservative minister. right. so i'm going to start with well, you do fairness. is it just where are the others? all right. well, i'm going to start with you, amy. nick turner. >> thing that interests me >> the thing that interests me about the clip you showed is about the clip you showed is about angela talking about angela rayner talking about angela rayner talking about hate about making misogyny a hate crime. now this this is something that's been trialled and proven to work . so 2016 in and proven to work. so 2016 in nottingham, sure, they , they nottingham, sure, they, they trialled it and they saw a 25% increase in reporting at the time it was belittled as old criminalised, crying wolf whistling. how could this ever work? but it did work and it was

rolled out through ten different police forces in in nottinghamshire . so this is nottinghamshire. so this is something that i personally have been following for a while because i've seen how it can work and how it can improve lives of women. >> so i think this was a bit of a solid policy, but it is get behind, but it's sort of already a hate crime. i mean, if someone's misogynistic in in a certain way, you can report their behaviour to the police and that will be seen as hate and that will be seen as a hate crime. >> i have say, didn't >> i have to say, i didn't understand rayner's point understand angela rayner's point that she going to shut down that she was going to shut down sexual discrimination before it became workplace. became a thing in the workplace. i that? you i mean, how do you do that? you have to identify the problem. no, i mean, labour absolutely is not power. labour not ready for power. labour doesn't it believes doesn't know what it believes in. who takes in. you have a leader who takes the to black lives matter, the knee to black lives matter, which is, you know, completely political movement against white people. as far as i can see. you have a who can't, as we have a leader who can't, as we discussed in the previous segment, identify woman segment, identify what a woman is . won't he won't diverge is. he won't he won't diverge from the eu, so he won't take advantage of the brexit advantage of any of the brexit

freedoms we've got. he will practise wealth redistribution to the point of the distrust action of the british economy , action of the british economy, which is already in a very bad place. remember when tony blair came to power, he inherited a really strong economy and he handed over a broken one. they're inheriting a very weak economy. they will absolutely destroy it . destroy it. >> i think this is so funny. >> i think this is so funny. >> they're net zero. the labour party taking money from dale, vince and other people like that. they will destroy this country's economy. they'll destroy our culture. they won't do anything with brexit. they're not fit for power. sorry, amy. >> what about you? >> what about you? >> speak as if, those >> speak as if, though those things haven't already been destroyed . look at the state of destroyed. look at the state of the economy. look at the state of the economy. when the tories inherited it and look at it now. >> well, didn't they inherit it with a little note saying that there's money left in there? there's no money left in there? let's talk sabina curry. let's talk to sabina curry. edwina. what do you edwina. edwina. so what do you think? are your thoughts on think? what are your thoughts on this? are labour ready for power?

>> i don't think they are. >> no, i don't think they are. i don't they even ready for don't think they even ready for power their heads. i think. power in their heads. i think. angela let the cat out of angela rayner let the cat out of the saying labour is sick the bag by saying labour is sick of opposition. yeah, can get that. all these that. and that all these wonderful bold ideas are great for manifesto . yeah. see for the manifesto. yeah. see that? including the use of the union jack but practical policies for actually governing the country? absolutely not. we've got a load of old labour, tosh.i we've got a load of old labour, tosh. i mean, you know , doing tosh. i mean, you know, doing things like getting rid of right. to buy enhancing workers rights , getting rid of zero rights, getting rid of zero hours contracts, which are actually very popular with a lot of the people who use them. a convoluted, tiny, pathetic little peanut of doing something about the nhs , which even keir about the nhs, which even keir starmer admits is going to be voluntary. so it's not going to work. and being rotten to the non—doms, which says everything that you need to know about labour's attitudes to internationally successful business people, if you're going to do what was the other thing, rented property. you can't end a

contract with somebody that's renting from you. that's just going to mean fewer rented properties . it just pushes up properties. it just pushes up rents and it makes things hard. in other words, what labour are doing is coming up with slogans that produce cheers from their audience in the conference, but they're not practical policies and they won't help to make this country run well as it could be. >> peter edwards are they ready for power? are the labour party ready well they're on their ready? well they're on their way. >> but if you talk to anyone from the leader's office, they'll tell you they're not complacent. but keir starmer staff said it's kind of staff always said it's kind of three oh oh, we three phases. first, oh oh, we didn't get to hear phase one, sadly. >> that's a shame. never mind, we'll try and get peter back, but we'll return to let's return to you . i can't remember your to you. i can't remember your name now. amy oh, you, amy. nicole turner. cheers are they ready? >> a couple of things. edwina said so right to buy. right to buy had decimated our housing stock and left us in the housing crisis that we see today. also, the idea that angela rayner's

new deal for working people was anything less than completely inspirational and will promote growth, security is what growth, job security is what promotes growth. and ben habib saying wealth distribution as if it's a dirty word. i just find this all something that is going to stagnate. our productivity even further when labour do seem to have a plan that will invigorate our economy and grow it for a change, come back to edwina though. >> she said what a load of >> she she said what a load of absolute nonsense, right? >> doesn't decimate our >> if doesn't decimate our housing stock it will go then destroyed by it. wait a minute . destroyed by it. wait a minute. not a single property is destroyed by it. it's bought by an aspirational family. it's bought a family or bought by a family or a purchaser who really to go purchaser who really wants to go from a renter into being from being a renter into being an owner and recognises all the hard work and the risk that has to go with that. but they want to go with that. but they want to do it. that's what brought margaret thatcher such success in the recognise rising in the 1980s. recognise rising aspiration and encouraging it and coming up with really good practical policies that would improve the lives of millions of people and that's what people voted for. what labour wants to

do is sit on everybody as they used the policies in the used to. the policies in the 1960s and the 1970s were exactly like that and it very coming from liverpool and having grown up in a in a very ordinary family and having had opportunity, i recognise how important aspiration is. it's why i'm a tory and the whole of the labour approach to it is to flatten all that, to try and look after the worst performing. often in society , the people who often in society, the people who have some of the hardest cases and actually if you spend all your time looking after them, you're not looking after the majority of people who really just want an opportunity to get a job, work hard, to do a good job, to work hard, to do well at school college, and well at school and college, and to well for themselves. and to do well for themselves. and that's the group labour that's the group that labour will able to understand. >> thank you so much for that, edwina. that's edwina currie. there she's a former conservative minister. also. thank you to peter edwards very short, but briefly, was there a former editor for the labourlist, amy nicole turner.

thank you so much. also thank you so much. and also deputy uk, ben deputy leader reform uk, ben habib. what do you think habib. so what do you think then? are labour ready for power? that's the question i'm asking. your views? gb asking. what are your views? gb views com. you're views gb news dot com. you're with i'm akua. this is with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb we're continuing with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb greatwe're continuing with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb great britishontinuing with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb great british debateig with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb great british debate asking that great british debate asking you that question. do you think that ready for power? that they're ready for power? would take would you trust them to take control? you'll the control? you'll hear the thoughts panel broadcast thoughts of my panel broadcast from journalist danny who from journalist danny kelly, who broadcaster and author christine hamilton. but hamilton. all this and more. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> i'm ray addison. good afternoon . 432 our top story, afternoon. 432 our top story, israel's prime minister says they will turn anywhere hamas terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas. now. now those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where we've seen smoke , the result of rocket seen smoke, the result of rocket blasts drifting across the skyline as buildings have been targeted. israel says 800 hamas targets have been hit, killing

hundreds of fighters with dozens more captured and more than 500 israelis were killed. and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. at least 313 palestinian has also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed formed the border . border. >> begum what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again. the entire government is behind this decision in the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas capable cities. we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on state of israel and its on the state of israel and its citizens . citizens. >> well, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in in an attack by hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday . he was

border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had recently been living in central israel . been living in central israel. police in london are stepping up reassurance patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel. videos have emerged , appearing to show emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of the city some holding flags while clapping and cheering. the met police says the situation in israel may lead to protests over the coming days. israel may lead to protests over the coming days . well, the coming days. well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event . labour's deputy leader event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory government has never been so unified , so never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. >> but the tories is also have

one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them . wealth where it benefits them. >> you can get more on all of those stories on our website , those stories on our website, gb news.com. those stories on our website, gbnews.com. now let's get back to nana . thank. to nana. thank. you, ray, you're with me. >> i'm nana. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, the escalating crisis in israel as fighting continues between the israeli military and palestinian militants. gary mullen, chairman of the national jewish assembly, will have the latest. it's time latest. but up next, it's time for great british debate. for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, are labour ready power

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> so welcome back. if you're just tuned in, where have you been? this is gb news coming up to 40 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua here now. before the break, i was asking our labour ready for power. and who would you to take control of our you trust to take control of our country? of you country? well, lots of you who've getting in touch, who've been getting in touch, richard benefits should richard says benefits should only stopgap up to only ever be a stopgap up to work never a lifestyle. work and never a lifestyle. labour this labour will enable this lifestyle even more and bankrupt the purse once again ,

the public purse once again, phil says about brexit, we're talking about brexit earlier. far from thinking, brexit has been a good thing, i have to say, me and my family, it's say, for me and my family, it's been dreadful. we voted brexit, but really regret it. i found some who actually aren't some people who actually aren't happy it, says . do happy with it, ruth says. do people have such short memories that remember that it that they can't remember that it was our country which rolled out the covid vaccines? if we the first covid vaccines? if we had in the eu , many, had still been in the eu, many, many more people would have died . so we go. keep your . so there we go. keep your topics coming in, your emails coming in. i'll do a quick one here from barry. says, when here from barry. he says, when we regard reform, we with regard to reform, he says, we have elections, says, when we have elections, why we also have why don't we also have referendum the policy that we referendum on the policy that we want government follow, want the government to follow, not decide for us. not what they decide for us. that would be good. and finally, andrew says, oh, catherine says, i'm for reform next time. i'm voting for reform next time. well, you. but well, yeah, i hear you. but listen, are currently in listen, labour are currently in liverpool week they liverpool this week and they kick off their party. conference leader sir starmer is leader sir keir starmer is grappling convert grappling with how to convert a commanding poll lead into power for general election. for the next general election. so far, they seem to be losing in the polls, but they are ahead, they've lost 13

ahead, so they've lost 13 points. have set their points. labour have set their standards which include standards high, which include making crime and making misogyny a hate crime and pledging to take on tech titans who helping to create toxic who were helping to create toxic attitudes towards women. they also said reverse the also said they'd reverse the government's rwanda migrants plan even it was working so plan even if it was working so do you believe them? do you think have strength think they have the strength that ready for power? so that they're ready for power? so for great british debate, for the great british debate, this they this hour, i'm asking, are they ready for power? let's see what my panel that. i'm my panel make of that. i'm joined broadcaster and joined by broadcaster and journalist kelly, also journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster author christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton. christine hamilton, i'll first. i'll come to you first. >> anybody ready for power >> is anybody ready for power ever? probably not really . ever? probably not really. they're definitely very hungry for power. i think fortunately, i think they're going to win. i don't think to me, i had a brief moment of thinking maybe they wouldn't when rishi started behaving like a conservative for once. recently but the tories have not been behaving like tories, so no wonder people are saying we might as well have the real thing, as it were, and have laboun real thing, as it were, and have labour. their hands are going to be very, very tired. we be very, very tired. tied. we have debt . the have this massive debt. the government, is

government, the country is massively overspent. covid added to all that. they're not going to all that. they're not going to be able, for example, to dish out massive public sector pay awards. that just isn't the money. and i think somebody mentioned earlier about that, it was byrne, the treasury was liam byrne, the treasury minister, who left the note in 2010 saying there is no money left . well, there's less left. well, there's even less money left now, so their hands are be very, very tied. are going to be very, very tied. so whether they're ready for it, i don't know. they're very untried, untested, but that's often the case, isn't it ? but untried, untested, but that's often the case, isn't it? but a more important question possibly is, is the country ready for labour? and that's we're going to discover when the election comes round. >> danny, left a very >> danny, my wife left a very similar note the other week saying there is no money left in my in my little jar . my in my little jar. >> joe it's really curious. nana you raised two great points from today's speeches. one is about misogyny and sex pests in the workplace and the other is about rwanda and i would say that labour have lost complete connection with the working

class core voting voters and if they think that they are going to get swing voters to vote labour because labour have got a plan to eradicate misogyny and make it a hate crime, i think that they are mistaken and also so i think that the biggest error there is for them to think that the core working class voters, generally speaking , voters, generally speaking, don't want the rwanda planes to take off. i would argue that they want this illegal . they want this illegal. immigration in this illegal migration, delay the dinghies, whatever you want to call it, stop the boats. i think that if thatis stop the boats. i think that if that is going to deter this illegal i think illegal migration, then i think labour core voters would want to actually have a policy in place that stops it. so for him to say day one, if the planes do take off day one, we're going to stop them. we're going to ground them. we're going to ground them. that is error them. i think that is an error of judgement. i them. i think that is an error ofjudgement. i genuinely if ofjudgement. and i genuinely if we we if went to a pub now we if we if i went to a pub now in liverpool city centre, which is, know, socialist is, you know, the socialist socialist the and socialist capital of the uk and say listen, angela rayner say listen, okay. angela rayner wants misogyny in the wants to stop misogyny in the

workplace a scale of 1 workplace on a on a scale of 1 to 10, how important is that to you keir starmer is going to you and keir starmer is going to go ground the plane scale of go to ground the plane scale of 1 10. d0 go to ground the plane scale of 1 10. do you want the planes 1 to 10. do you want the planes to take off? yes. or no? i think a lot of people would say, well, actually, want control our actually, we want to control our borders, whether you voted remain or brexit. >> the bottom line is >> yes. but the bottom line is most people, they vote on the economy, they? they most people, they vote on the econo to , they? they most people, they vote on the econo to be they? they most people, they vote on the econo to be betterzy? they most people, they vote on the econo to be better off they most people, they vote on the econo to be better off or they most people, they vote on the econo to be better off or are zy going to be better off or are they not? and it seems to me that that both parties now are veering towards the centre ground. got, the ground. we've got, what, in the 50 butskellism 50 became known as butskellism when tory when butler was the tory chancellor gaitskell had chancellor and gaitskell had been chancellor and been the labour chancellor and was shadow chancellor, and was the shadow chancellor, and they basically they both basically had identical policies. there was almost nothing to put between them. you this sort of them. so you had this sort of mush the middle and that mush in the middle and that i think, what we're going to think, is what we're going to get. and i honestly think people are going to vote on how they feel, whether they feel better off think off now, whether they think the tories have their money tories have managed their money because our money better, because it is our money better, and whether labour manage and whether labour can manage it any doesn't any better and there doesn't seem to to to put seem to me to be much to put between them. i would think they're it very

difficult. >> but what about, what about all the reverse alls or the policies keir starmer has policies that keir starmer has come with? so the 28 billion come up with? so the 28 billion that was supposed to go into investment, into energy, which then realise it then they realise that it actually would destabilise the markets. what about the whole sort of notion of robbing peter to pay paul? so for private schools, he wants to start he wants charitable wants to stop the charitable status and them vat and status and charge them vat and business about business rates. what about the latest which about latest policy which is about getting wealthier students to pay getting wealthier students to pay students? it's pay for poorer students? it's just it's a bit i mean, do just it's all a bit i mean, do you think this is what there is an element of there is an element of socialism there, isn't there? >> you know, a large element with the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. so the bourgeoisie, the having to pay the middle class having to pay more case of school fees more in the case of school fees and students having to and wealthy students having to subsidise less wealthy students, that that is socialism. and that is that is socialism. and so is an element of so there is an element of socialism. tony blair was so successful because he managed to balance socialism and capitalism i >> well, you've i think you've hit one of the nails on the hit one of the big nails on the head there, which is that tony blair had charisma. he had a vision, a personality, and he had personality. people

had a personality. and people a bit the pied piper, people bit like the pied piper, people thought, go with him. thought, yes, we'll go with him. starmer does not have that. starmer just does not have that. so governments lose so i think governments lose elections, don't they? oppositions don't win them. there's are to there's no way labour are to going win the election. but the tories sure as hell are going to lose it. >> tony blair wouldn't wouldn't have taken the knee to black lives tony blair wouldn't. >> i don't know. i think he wouldn't. >> i dhavemow. i think he wouldn't. >> i dhave done.i think he wouldn't. >> i dhave done. ithink he wouldn't. >> i dhave done. i thinkhe wouldn't. >> i dhave done. i think he might have done. i think he might have done. i think he might have done if he thought that it would somewhere. that it would get him somewhere. but gb news. he's but this is gb news. he's unflushable where? online unflushable where? on tv, online and on digital radio on the way in next hour, the great in the next hour, the great british i'm british debate. this hour. i'm asking you to fix asking who do you trust to fix the education but next, the education system? but next, it's escalating it's worldview escalating violence in israel. i'll be joined gary mond, chairman of joined by gary mond, chairman of the jewish assembly. joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,.ssembly. joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,.ssemofr. joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,.ssemof the

just coming up to 51 minutes after 4:00. if you've just joined me, welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel and nana akua. and it's time now for world view. and this week we're focusing on the escalating crisis in israel. the palestinian islamic group hamas have its largest attack have launched its largest attack on israel this weekend . and as on israel this weekend. and as israeli officials reported , israeli officials reported, around 2500 rockets that have been fired from gaza, as well as sending fighters across the border. hamas militants unexpectedly stormed into southern towns across the region on a jewish holiday and also the 50th anniversary of yom kippur in the aftermath of the attacks across the world, we've seen scenes of solidarity for israel

condemning the attacks across the south of the country, except we should add, in britain, where we've we've yet to see. so see any such tribute . so joining me any such tribute. so joining me now is gary mond. he's the chairman of the advisory board of the jewish national assembly . gary, thank you very much for coming in and talking to me about this. so a lot of people get very confused with why and what is happening so can you just briefly explain the historical sort of context of this and why and what's going on? >> the hamas group are essentially murderous terrorists who wish to kill as many jews as they as they possibly can. >> they went into israel on saturday morning simply with the objective of finding jews to kill them and unfortunately, they found a large number men, women, children , an elderly women, children, an elderly people. they murdered them in their homes. >> and it is not an exaggerate nafion >> and it is not an exaggerate nation to say that their behaviour to towards the jews in israel was similar to that of germany in the early days of the second world war, before there

were gas chambers where they went to towns in eastern went in and to towns in eastern europe villages eastern europe and villages in eastern europe and villages in eastern europe massacred the jewish europe and massacred the jewish populations very populations there. very, very similar to. >> it is something that has >> and it is something that has been condemned and needs to be condemned all over world. condemned all over the world. what also particularly what is also particularly worrying is some views worrying is there is some views that that the palestinian population, as a whole actually does support hamas. what they're doing, it's not just the group hamas, not just the group acting hamas, notjust the group acting in isolation. >> various polls are suggest that hamas has got substantial support within the palestinian population, both that living within gaza and living in judea and samaria . and samaria. >> well, i can't understand why anyone one would support mass murder in this way , because murder in this way, because that's what they did. they came in and they just murdered a load of people just and there were even in this country, there have been scenes of people who are jubilant about this and that that that is a real worry. and frankly , it's disgusting. frankly, it's disgusting. >> it is absolutely 100% right.

it's completely sick. i fear that perhaps this has been developing for 20, 30, even 40 years with the way young palestinian children have been brought up. >> they've been brought up to hate israel. >> they've been brought up to hate jews. they have actually got militant training camps for three and four year olds carrying guns . carrying guns. >> but this is actually something that you have witnessed or this has been this has been happening years and years. >> they do not want peace. >> they do not want peace. >> world has to understand >> the world has to understand that does not want any that hamas does not want any form of peace with israel. it wants to destroy it , wants it wants to destroy it, wants it wants to destroy it, wants it wants jews essentially to be wants all jews essentially to be thrown into the sea. it wants to get. >> why? >> why? >> because it is it comes within its it's a fundamentalist islamist doctrine in that the area belongs to them, which it certainly does not. >> so how must believe that the area israel belong to them? yes. the people within it, they want to destroy so they can take over the land. so they that is that is it. >> you can't make peace with these people. the these people. this is the tragedy. and therefore , for my

tragedy. and therefore, for my organisation, national jewish assembly, view is that we assembly, our view is that we will whatever benjamin will support whatever benjamin netanyahu and his government in israel decide to do in response to the situation. but the gaza strip, which is a very, very small stretch of land, this is where they've come from, from this strip here. >> but it was a very coordinated attack. they couldn't have done this all by themselves, correct? >> right. you >> absolutely right. as you say, it's strip of land it's a very small strip of land andits it's a very small strip of land and it's been coordinated with outsiders, the principal outside body helping them body that has been helping them is and its revolutionary is iran and its revolutionary government , islamic government. government, islamic government. >> and so, how do you know >> and if so, how do you know that they would admit it? >> it's not it's not a question of being a secret. it's public knowledge that iran is supporting hamas and hezbollah in lebanon in the lebanon as well. >> it's absolutely case. and >> it's absolutely the case. and they're supporting both they're supporting them both strategically because strategically in plans because i don't think hamas will be able to plan this all itself. they're also them financially also supporting them financially in a big way with arms and other other assistance. >> and this is this is proven i mean, it's proven and admitted .

mean, it's proven and admitted. >> it's not a question of speculation. >> so what is the what needs to happen then to stop all this? because it needs to stop. we can't this can't carry on the destruction of hamas completely. >> and all islamist fundamentalist militant groups, terrorist groups , rather, that terrorist groups, rather, that are based in gaza and indeed in judea and samaria as well. >> but won't that, i mean, understand obe, i understand why you would say that. >> and i understand that that needs to be stopped. but won't this be like opening a can of worms and actually create more sort of cells of more destruction , people who want to destruction, people who want to destroy things? there is that risk and therefore a better solution, not a solution that could run alongside this is to ensure that young arab children who grew up in gaza are actually educated to work with israel, to work with jews, to accept that the area has got a large jewish population, just as much as well as it's got an arab population, too, that's that has to be a solution that goes alongside

side the military activity that i'm sure that the israeli government is planning . and what government is planning. and what about the gaza strip? what should happen to that, do you think? >> the same the same we should literally be they should just join it all up. >> now . stop. no, no. >> now. stop. no, no. >> now. stop. no, no. >> i'm saying i'm not >> i'm not saying i'm not advocating that gaza should be part israel. i'm part a part of israel. i'm simply referring to the education of children who are growing up in gaza , that they growing up in gaza, that they need to be educated , not hate need to be educated, not to hate jews, that is what is absolutely fundamental . and also the one fundamental. and also the one thing that worries me immensely over the next week or two is we're going to start hearing international politicians, indeedin international politicians, indeed in this country, too, are going start calling for, going to start calling for, quote, both sides quote, restraint on both sides in the war that's happening. and i'm sorry, but the israelis israel has been attacked and the israelis need to do whatever is necessary to safeguard israeli civilians and i have every confidence and would support mr netanyahu's government in doing the best it can in trying to achieve that objective . achieve that objective. >> emma pattison gary, thank you

very much for coming to talk to me about this. this is a tragic situation. i want it to stop. frankly, i don't want to see people being killed. nobody does. wants to see no does. nobody wants to see no there's justification for there's no justification for it. what right. what so ever. that's right. gary, so much for gary, thank you so much for joining me. really good to talk to thank you. of course, to you. thank you. of course, that gary who's been that is gary mond, who's been talking about the talking to me about the situation israel. he's the situation in in israel. he's the chairman advisory board chairman of the advisory board of national assembly of the jewish national assembly . well well, let's travel over to now and have a chat to america now and have a chat with the of the politics with the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, and out latest. but and find out the latest. but paul and find out the latest. but paul, start, though, paul, i want to start, though, with regard to what what with regard to israel. what what is the sort of what's happening in the states with regard to that? and what is joe biden proposing that his response will be, if any , joe biden did come be, if any, joe biden did come out and give his support to benjamin netanyahu? >> i mean , it's an underpowered, >> i mean, it's an underpowered, relatively short speech, but it was unequivocally supportive of israel . president trump has israel. president trump has drawn a and this is what's

happening in the united states. it's the jewish community here is perhaps even more prevalent. and this is an attack on the hamas would see it as well as being an attack on israel. donald trump has drawn a connection between the 6 billion of unfrozen iranian funds that were handed over by the biden administration to the ability to actually empower such an attack and such support. so that's the mood in the united states, is that drawing a direct line between on that $6 billion being returned to iran or unfrozen at least those assets and the ability and capacity to carry out such an organised and coordinated attack ? coordinated attack? >> i want to ask you now, because i want to move on to because i want to move on to because we're talking about border walls and now joe, joe biden, they did claim the democrats claimed they would not build border build another foot of border wall, but biden is apparently now miles of it. is now building 20 miles of it. is that right?

now building 20 miles of it. is tha yeah..? now building 20 miles of it. is tha yeah. i mean, he's kept that >> yeah. i mean, he's kept that . he's that promise. . he's kept that promise. >> build another . he's kept that promise. >> of build another . he's kept that promise. >> of border build another . he's kept that promise. >> of border wall. ld another . he's kept that promise. >> of border wall. he's other . he's kept that promise. >> of border wall. he's kept foot of border wall. he's kept that by now, building 20 more miles of it . miles of it. >> donald trump built against resistance from the political establishment. >> he built about 500 miles of wall. >> he ended up having to take the money out of the military budget and when biden came in, he said that he would not build another foot. they've now the situation is so untenable. what you have is now the united states sees every single state as a border state. and what you had for a long time was only those states like arizona, etcetera , or california, those etcetera, or california, those states that actually do border mexico being seen as border states. now, since we've seen migrant being moved to new york, chicago , et cetera. chicago, et cetera. >> it's on the doorsteps of the actual people that would normally be pro migrant. actual people that would normally be pro migrant . these normally be pro migrant. these are all the cities that were welcoming migrants, welcome signs being held up. >> so now they've been moved and

exported to all realms, all parts of the realm, rather the mood has changed and with an with an election coming , it's with an election coming, it's the democrats have suddenly discovered that walls do work. >> apparently . >> apparently. >> apparently. >> well, of course, as soon as those calling for them not to be initiated, suddenly you have to deal with the migrants and the whole situation changes. now, what the question what about the question i wanted to about president to ask you about president trump, speaker of the house, is he becoming the of the he becoming the speaker of the house? it. what's house? i don't get it. what's what's it's possible. >> it's actually possible. we talked about this weirdly like a year or so ago , that year or so ago, that technically, because you don't need to be a member of congress to be the house speaker, you don't actually need to be elected at all. you can just be brought in any joe schmo from kokomo can actually become speaker of the house. what's happenedis speaker of the house. what's happened is for the very first time in us history , a speaker time in us history, a speaker has been deposed by a little arcane rule. that means that one

person who and in this case matt gaetz, can summon a vote against them and they got deposed. so kevin mccarthy was the speaker. he was republican , but he was he was republican, but he was seen as not trumpian enough. and one of the things one of the things that we're running out of time, we've got about ten. >> he was seen as not keeping promises. >> trump could. trump >> but yes, trump could. trump has now said on friday, he said he's in being he's interested in being a temporary speaker until the house its affairs in order. house gets its affairs in order. so that's going to that's the optics. and with with israel it's likely then are you going on 20 now there's a ten. >> thank you >> paul duddridge, thank you very there he is, the host very much. there he is, the host of the politics people podcast. always with this always a pleasure with paul this is to come in the is gb news. more to come in the next hour . next hour. so stay tuned for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, my mystery outside guest. he may have been born in

surrey, he was often caught surrey, but he was often caught out in east end london. out in the east end of london. all revealed soon that all will be revealed soon that it's for the great british it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking who you trust to fix the who do you trust to fix the education system? first, education system? but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines addison . headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon . 5:02. our top story this hour, israel's prime minister says they will turn anywhere hamas terrorists are hiding into, quote, an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas now. now, if you're watching on tv, you can see live footage of gaza where smoke, the result of rocket blasts, had been seen drifting across the skyline earlier as buildings are being targeted. israel says it's hit 800 hamas targets in gaza, killing hundreds of fighters and capturing dozens more. at least 600 israelis were killed in yesterday's surprise attack . yesterday's surprise attack. that's according to israeli television . at least 313

television. at least 313 palestine aliens have also died. more than 20,000 palestinians are taking refuge in schools run by the united nations. benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance . vengeance. >> vengeance. >> begum . >> begum. >> begum. >> what happened today has never been seen in israel. and i will make sure that it does not happen again. the entire government is behind this decision. the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas's capabilities . we will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this day that they have this black day that they have forced on the of israel forced on the state of israel and its citizens . and its citizens. >> a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants . that's been hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family. nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had recently been living in central israel .

been living in central israel. while speaking to gb news, israel's deputy ambassador to the uk , oren marmorstein held the uk, oren marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks . scenes after the attacks. >> he has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shove her into and the terrorist shove her into a car . and her eyes, petrified a car. and her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they are going to do to me. what kind of people commit these atrocities to other people? police police in london are stepping up, reassuring patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel, videos have emerged , israel, videos have emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of london, some holding flags while clapping and cheering . cheering. >> immigration minister robert jenrick described those celebrating as disgusting and said there is no place for anyone who glorifies the

terrorist activities of hamas . terrorist activities of hamas. the met police says the situation in israel may lead to protest outs over the coming days. protest outs over the coming days . well, a protester briefly days. well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour conference event this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government. it's also have one single focus is to desperately cling on to power. >> that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down. the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them and staying with laboun benefits them and staying with labour, the party says it would use counter—terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous violent offenders in england and wales. >> it's part of labour's mission

to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. shadow home secretary yvette cooper saying that officers would be told to, quote, relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk . and finally, the greatest risk. and finally, the north of scotland is at risk of severe flooding after torrential rainfall yesterday and through the night . rainfall yesterday and through the night. the rainfall yesterday and through the night . the met office has the night. the met office has issued a warning of danger to life while landslides have blocked roads in the west of the country, at least ten people were rescued from their cars by helicopter. while many train services remain suspended. meanwhile, in the south, conditions are mostly dry , with conditions are mostly dry, with temperatures reaching 25 degrees in some areas . as this is gb in some areas. as this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to nana . to nana. >> good afternoon. it's just

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eastenders. stay tuned. all will be revealed very shortly. if you haven't worked it out then for the great debate this the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, asking who do you hour, i'm asking who do you trust to the education trust to fix the education system rishi sunak said system now? rishi sunak said he's going ditch a—levels and he's going to ditch a—levels and force students study maths force students to study maths and english and those plans have been criticised whilst sir keir starmer has been forced into another with another embarrassing u—turn with his plans to strip private schools of charitable schools of their charitable status. do you trust to status. so who do you trust to fix our broken system? and as even fix our broken system? and as ever, get touch usual ever, get in touch the usual way? vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb way? vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so did you work it out every sunday at 5:00? i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp , someone who's had an mp, someone who's had an extremely interesting career. we take a look at the job we took highs and lows, lessons learned, what next. this week , what comes next. and this week, i'm joined by very special guests. he's known he's made quite impression many. he quite an impression on many. he was may have been born in was also may have been born in surrey, but then he's often been caught out in east london in the

east of london. so these are east end of london. so these are all clues. yeah, definitely all clues. yeah, he definitely knew how to break the ice and continue to gain used to do so. both on screen and on stage. in 1981, he made his tv debut, but it wasn't until 1983 when he made his guest television breakthrough with live from her majesty's. between 2008 and two thousand and seven. he also appeared in 66 episodes of the bbc soap eastenders. dunk, dunk, dunk , dunk. you might not dunk, dunk. you might not recognise. i think you will. his impressions include tom jones, mick jagger and paul mccartney. we'll get him to do something. i'm sure you've guessed it. of course. fabulous actor course. it's the fabulous actor and comedian bobby davro. >> a lovely >> oh, what a lovely introduction. like it's introduction. it's like it's like world. it's like i'm leaving the world. it's my has gone before me. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> when you hear that you've done all that, it makes me feel old. makes feel old. old. it makes me feel old. >> you know, when i first >> now you know, when i first saw you, i thought you looked exactly way i've exactly the same way that i've ever on tv. you look ever seen you on tv. you look the same. >> well, do you remember >> yes. well, do you remember when off the telly? no when i was off the telly? no >> in my head. i'm still off the

telly, but i'm not off it. >> i'm here now in my mind. >> i'm here now in my mind. >> you've been on the tv all the time because i grew up with you. yeah i grew with you. yeah i grew up with you. >> it's getting more >> but it's getting more difficult now. you know, somebody of my age because i'm pushing now and i'm. i'm not pushing 50 now and i'm. i'm not pushing 50 now and i'm. i'm not pushing i'm dragging pushing it. i'm dragging it. >> i'm 60. oh it's gone. >> i'm 65. >> i'm 65. >> you great. yeah 60. >> you look great. yeah 60. >> you look great. yeah 60. >> and you? 13 nana. yeah i think it is. you try saying that to speed on the a3. to speed cameras on the a3. yeah, exactly. >> doesn't work out well, >> that doesn't work out well, yeah. i'm 65 and i've had a great career. >> good place, i'm >> i'm in a good place, i'm enjoying it and you're to enjoying it and you're meant to be thinking about be sort of thinking about retiring, but i'm not going to retire because if you do job that you love, you never work a day in your life. >> why would stop? so >> so why would you stop? so talk to about the early days. talk to me about the early days. >> days? >> what early days? >> what early days? >> to about your life >> talk to me about your life growing was it like? growing up. what was it like? >> when i was about it >> well, when i was about it must have about ten, 11 must have been about ten, 11 years and asked me, years old. and my dad asked me, my dad, and he me, my lovely dad, and he asked me, what want be when you what do you want to be when you grow said, all the grow up? i said, well, all the family were wanting to know. i didn't really. >> said, ever think >> i said, well, i ever think about said, i want to be a about it. i said, i want to be a comedian. know what they

comedian. and you know what they just laughed. >> you joking? >> were you only joking? no, they they're laughing >> well, they're not laughing now, they're now, are they? oh, they're not. that's is that's the bob monkhouse gag, is it? a soldier. it? look at me as a soldier. look that, bobby. look at that, bobby. >> soldier, were you >> as a soldier, were you actually a soldier? you weren't. >> i've done of work for >> i've done a lot of work for the a great the services. i'm a great supporter the services. i'm a great supiorter the services. i'm a great supiortea lot of stuff with jim >> i do a lot of stuff with jim davidson, over the world. >> to the falklands and >> went to the falklands and stuff yeah, been >> went to the falklands and stgreat yeah, been >> went to the falklands and stgreat career. yeah, been a great career. >> so how did you start? what was first break? was your first proper break? my first was working at first job, i was working at bentalls kingston, earning £18.50. >> school. was >> after i'd left school. i was earning food earning £18.50 a week, food coming bus fares coming out of that and bus fares and then i didn't and stuff and then i didn't really men's >> i was in the men's department. my department. i was doing my impressions and hignfy impressions of johnny and hignfy and things. and all those kind of things. >> was a bit just >> and i was a bit bored just messing because that was messing about because that was me. i went worked me. and then i went and worked for late father and he's for my late father and he's a lovely i miss my dad and an and then did he do he was used to restore furniture . but as he got restore furniture. but as he got older he just stained chairs . older he just stained chairs. and gag alert and go on and he he was a famous runner. my dad was a famous runner, actually.

>> so he ran for great britain in two olympics in 1948 . in two olympics in 1948. >> and 5248 was london, 52 was helsinki with roger bannister, who wrote the four minute mile. >> and my dad , he ran it and he >> and my dad, he ran it and he wanted he wanted to be like my dad and win the gold medal because he wanted to win it too. >> he came sixth. >> but he came sixth. >> but he came sixth. >> bless his heart. >> oh, bless his heart. >> oh, bless his heart. >> but i. i wasn't athletic. i was joke. my mum was was just a joke. my mum was the joker. my dad didn't get joker. my dad didn't really get me really. he had me as a comic, really. he had a strange of humour, strange sense of humour, but he was hero and i miss him every was my hero and i miss him every day would have to day and he would have loved to see to love see these. he used to love coming and me being coming and watching me being successful , but he didn't like successful, but he didn't like me these sort of like me when i did these sort of like dancing on ice and things like that. it was embarrassing for you. that? listen, won't do >> did that? listen, i won't do that because my knees. that because of my knees. i'm scared it's all about scared for that. it's all about your journey. >> say . you >> that's what they say. you know, i think mine was in an ambulance. that's was ambulance. that's what i was scared all. ambulance. that's what i was sca i�*d all. ambulance. that's what i was scai didn't all. ambulance. that's what i was scai didn't awell. >> i didn't do very well. >> i didn't do very well. >> mills mccartney >> heather mills mccartney was on the show and got through >> heather mills mccartney was onthe show and got through >> heather mills mccartney was onthe second nd got through >> heather mills mccartney was onthe second nd no;ot through >> heather mills mccartney was onthe second nd no punhrough to the second leg. no pun intended. i i dreadful. >> i was first out. >> i was first out. >> i was first out. >> i came of that. i >> i was first out. >> i came of that . i was the >> i came out of that. i was the first , celebrity first male skater, celebrity skater to be voted out. and les

dennis, who is a big friend of mine and just strictly mine and he's just done strictly on the bbc and he went out first as well. so both commiserated as well. so we both commiserated with he's a lovely lad. >> and were you glad secretly ? i >> and were you glad secretly? i was so glad . i don't pay you the was so glad. i don't pay you the same. right? you get out first. still get paid? yeah, exactly. and because and you're going to because i was my asian phoned and you're going to because i was productionasian phoned and you're going to because i was production officejhoned and you're going to because i was production office and ed up the production office and said, thinking of said, will you be thinking of using bobby for the for the tour. using bobby for the for the tou and on the other end >> and i heard on the other end of line and woman said, of the line and the woman said, what and put what do you think? and just put the down. the phone down. >> so your first big tv show ? >> so your first big tv show? yes, my first one was a show called up for the cup and it was it was it was a sports based football team based show where they had different comedians and entertainers on there represent i represented charlton athletic or as jim davidson calls it, charlton nil and i did a thing, and that was the first bit of telly i ever had up for the cup with david hamilton . with david hamilton. >> did he? hamilton lovely fella . then that i started . and then from that i started doing a few little shows here and there. did one called what

and there. i did one called what was the one called? oh heavens, there was so many of these shows around at the time. and then i did live at her majesty's and the second show i did one the first series didn't quite register, but they brought me back second went back for the second and i went on and did very well. on there and did very well. i did 33rd in person, you know , did 33rd in person, you know, when i've done, you know, could have got them funny eyes, you know, eyes and i did that and then did a bit of cliff richard high fans and just chatted then did a bit of cliff richard high fimpressions just chatted then did a bit of cliff richard high fimpressions jusyou.itted a few impressions for you. >> more. what else >> give me some more. what else have that. have you got? well, we did that. >> did piano >> and then and then i did piano impressions. did impressions. i did. i did impressions. i did. i did impressions of elton john, the great bought his great elton john. i bought his rabbit . do you know did rabbit off him. do you know did you rabbit? you buy a rabbit? i did. i bought i was bought a rabbit when i was a kid. bought rabbit off kid. i i bought his rabbit off him and, well, i didn't buy it. he gave it to me and it he actually gave it to me and it was brilliant, rabbit. you was brilliant, this rabbit. you know was know what he used to do? it was so. so. it was so so. it was so. it was so energetic. used to go in energetic. and he used to go in the gymnasium every day. elton energetic. and he used to go in the gy rabbit.m every day. elton energetic. and he used to go in the gy rabbit.m e'a ry day. elton energetic. and he used to go in the gy rabbit.m e'a true|y. elton john's rabbit. it's a true story. no, i can't. no, seriously. used on seriously. he used to run on the running no, running machine every day. no, elton john's rabbit. no, no, no. it's a little fit. bunny. i knew it. >> there you go. that's a guy.

>> there you go. that's a guy. >> so i started doing a lot of singing impressions. and then i did a show with a lot of my mates , people like gary wilmot mates, people like gary wilmot and. and and the late. just dustin and les and we did this show. alan stewart, and we did a show. alan stewart, and we did a show called copycats and that's where i sort of started doing sort of more contemporary impressions. >> do you do i wonder if you do a trump one? >> you probably don't trump >> you probably don't do a trump well, trump. you well, i do a bit of trump. you know, donald well, i do a bit of trump. you krtrump, donald well, i do a bit of trump. you krtrump, what)onald j. trump, what is it? what is the stand for? genius. genius thej stand for? genius. genius jail, maybe. know. maybe jail, maybe. i don't know. maybe >> very good. >> very good. >> very good. so, >> very good. so, yeah >> very good. so, yeah , >> very good. so, yeah , i >> very good. so, yeah , i still >> very good. so, yeah, i still keep the impressions. keep up with the impressions. i do an impression. i do a routine in i call still in my act, which i call still alive the apollo because alive at the apollo because that's should be the that's how we should be on the telly now. comedians, should telly now. comedians, we should be could call telly now. comedians, we should bestill could call telly now. comedians, we should bestill alive could call telly now. comedians, we should bestill alive at could call telly now. comedians, we should bestill alive at the could call telly now. comedians, we should bestill alive at the apollo. call it still alive at the apollo. and could the michael and i could do all the michael mcintyre's, and so i'm mcintyre's, you know. and so i'm going you know. yes. going to michael, you know. yes. and he's of and alan carr, he's one of my favourites. clary , favourites. and julian clary, thank you. and i still keep up with the impressions, you know, you're very good. very with the impressions, you know, you'rewell, good. very with the impressions, you know, you'rewell, i)od. very with the impressions, you know, you'rewell, i)od. it. very with the impressions, you know, you'rewell, i)od. it. verit good. well, i love it. i love it . i love entertaining. that's what on. what you end up on. >> the enders. yes you.

>> the east enders. yes you. >> the east enders. yes you. >> indeed. i was the lucky >> i did indeed. i was the lucky fellow. vinny fellow. i was vinny. vinny monks. i was the lucky fella that that snogged shirley . i that that snogged shirley. i thought that she was my romantic. oh yes. shirley. shirley. lovely shirley. not ronnie or roxy. shirley . ronnie or roxy. i got shirley. i should have got a bafta for that. an erm. look. good. i'm only being serious. and. no, she was lovely. and of course the picture don't. picture there is with i don't. that's linda. linda, henry. she played course played shirley and of course cheryl there. cheryl ferguson. who still stay in touch who are still stay in touch with. i still stay in touch with the fear that shirley is the blonde lady with. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> yeah . shirley is the one with >> yeah. shirley is the one with the hat there an and then it's good looking middle. good looking one in the middle. the good one. then the good looking one. and then of course, there's lovely heather, lovely. >> yeah. so. what are you >> yeah. so. so what are you doing what's going doing now then? what's going on in well, i. i'm normally getting >> well, i. i'm normally getting ready , but i'm ready for pantomime, but i'm not doing the first doing a pantomime for the first time in years. >> glad that sort of. >> i love pantomime . i'm, you >> i love pantomime. i'm, you know, i'm going to miss it. i hopei know, i'm going to miss it. i hope i do. i usually do one at easter and then i do another one at christmas. so i'm looking fonnard to having a year off.

i'm doing a lot of gigs. i've taken lot up stuff. taken a lot of stand up stuff. yeah, i love it. i'd do yeah, but i love it. i'd do anything like to do some yeah, but i love it. i'd do anyth acting like to do some yeah, but i love it. i'd do anyth acting actuallon some yeah, but i love it. i'd do anyth acting actually . some yeah, but i love it. i'd do anyth acting actually . i;ome yeah, but i love it. i'd do anyth acting actually . i think more acting actually. i think i'd like to get out there and do a something, know , a drama or something, you know, sort of like that. and sort of something like that. and you know, so. >> so what would you say your biggest career biggest moment in your career has your best? has been? your best? >> it's personally, yeah, >> well, it's personally, yeah, i would have thought it was having my first special at tbs in the series and lots of things. i loved eastenders. it was something i enjoyed. i didn't enjoy the dancing on ice. if i'm, you know, if i'm really honest. but i've done a lot of those kind of things. big brother did funnily enough, brother i did funnily enough, big and quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and and quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and you|d quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and you|d qu people yed that. and you know, people like me, telly me, we can't get on the telly doing entertainment. doing the same entertainment. i'd part of comedy in i'd love to be part of comedy in this country. still this in this country. still because enthusiastic . i because i'm enthusiastic. i don't think i'm dated. i think i'll keep up with modern i'll keep up with the modern stuff . i'm i'll keep up with the modern stuff. i'm not i'll keep up with the modern stuff . i'm not political, you stuff. i'm not political, you know, and i was going to say, let's get you on headliners. >> said, no, no, >> but you just said, no, no, no, to on. >> but you just said, no, no, no, you to on. >> but you just said, no, no, no, you do to on. >> but you just said, no, no, no, you do headliners on. >> but you just said, no, no, no, you do headliners yeah, i'd >> you do headliners yeah, i'd have swap on a few things.

have to swap on a few things. oh, kind of oh, would love that kind of thing. i'm not thing. and you know, i'm not into thing and i don't into this woke thing and i don't understand you understand it. i think that, you know, isn't given, know, offence isn't given, it's taken and i think this hoo taken and i think all this hoo ha fact i'm actually going ha in fact i'm actually going out a next week . i am out on a date next week. i am with actually with a girl. she actually identifies as a wheelie bin . identifies as a wheelie bin. yeah, she does. she identifies as a wheelie bin and. i don't know, i'm a bit worried because i don't know whether to take her out on tuesday wednesday out on a tuesday or wednesday when out. yes. yes when the bins come out. yes. yes shame you have to explain these jokes. really? shame you have to explain these jok(we're1lly? shame you have to explain these jok(we're running out of time. >> we're running out of time. >> we're running out of time. >> what a shame. >> what a shame. >> well, what are you up to next? want to catch next? if we want to catch you doing you're what doing what you're doing, what are up to? are you up to? >> well, going probably. >> well, i'm going to probably. i'm get i'm going to go and get something to eat. i've got my daughter middle daughter with me, my middle daughter, and we're nip daughter, and we're going to nip out a sandwich and or out and get a sandwich and or something to eat. you know, you're be not next something to eat. you know, you'r(that's be not next something to eat. you know, you'r(that's the be not next something to eat. you know, you'r(that's the pizza not next something to eat. you know, you'r(that's the pizza house. ext door. that's the pizza house. next door, it? are next door, isn't it? what are you doing? >> anyone see >> so if anyone wants to see you, come of it, you, you come to some of it, you'll see go the on you'll see me go on the on google it's called google or whatever it's called or tick, whatever it is. >> and you'll see what i'm doing there. i'm just getting back on the social network thing. >> complicated. >> it's all a bit complicated. there's so many them.

>> it's all a bit complicated. theyes, so many them. >> it's all a bit complicated. theyes, there ny them. >> it's all a bit complicated. theyes, there is. them. >> it's all a bit complicated. theyes, there is. andiem. but >> yes, there is. and then. but i'm enjoying it. i've had a good life. do. i do life. i'm a good boy. i do. i do loads there that loads of stuff out there that that excites me. and it's always great. you know, i've had i great. and you know, i've had i haven't had good year. i've haven't had a good year. i've had sadness in life had a bit of sadness in my life this year, i'm glad this year, which i'm glad you mentioned talk mentioned it. you want to talk about you know about that anymore. but you know what? begin what? new beginnings begin with painful . that's what it painful endings. that's what it is. so think positive . fonnard. is. so think positive. fonnard. full fonnard. >> bobby davro. thank you very much. >> lovely to see you. nana. >> lovely to see you. nana. >> a brilliant bobby >> that is a brilliant bobby davro. outside guest davro. he's my outside guest speakers ni fabulous. speakers. ni fabulous. well, just to 20 minutes just coming up to 20 minutes after you've just tuned after 5:00, if you've just tuned in, earth have you after 5:00, if you've just tuned in, you earth have you after 5:00, if you've just tuned in, you canarth have you after 5:00, if you've just tuned in, you can always'e you after 5:00, if you've just tuned in, you can always catch up been? you can always catch up via news but coming via the gb news app, but coming up, time great up, it's time for the great british and british debate this hour. and i'm trust i'm asking, who do you trust to fix system? fix the education system? whether it's keir starmer's proposal that on proposal to impose that on private schools rishi sunak's private schools or rishi sunak's plans to axe a—levels. what do you think? who do you trust that's way .

with me, michael portillo gb news britain's new . channel is news britain's new. channel is just coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. >> this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . and in some breaking news, prime minister rishi sunak has just speaking out about the just been speaking out about the atrocities israel . the scenes atrocities in israel. the scenes that we've seen in israel over the past 36 hours are truly horrifying thing. >> i want to express my absolute solidarity for the people of israel . now is not a solidarity for the people of israel. now is not a time for equivocation and i'm unequivocal. >> hamas and the people who support hamas are fully

responsible for this appalling act of terror , for the murder of act of terror, for the murder of civilians for and the kidnapping of innocent people, including children. >> i've just spoken with prime minister netanyahu to assure him of the uk's steadfast support as israel defends itself against these appalling attacks. >> we will do everything that we can to help terrorism will not prevail . prevail. >> um . >> um. >> um. >> what information do we have on missing british citizens in the region and what assistance is the government providing those citizens that could be caught up in the fight? >> this is a dangerous and fast moving situation on the ground, and i know that there will be families who anxious about families who are anxious about their to their loved ones. i want to reassure the foreign reassure them that the foreign office the government office and the government here is with our is in close contact with our israeli counterparts to establish the status of any british nationals on the ground . in the meantime, people should follow all the foreign office advice and indeed the advice from the israelis on the ground and contact the foreign office.

if you have any concerns or need any assistance . any assistance. >> and what of material >> and what kind of material assistance is the government providing to israel or is willing to provide the uk for a long time has been one of israel's strongest allies in supporting its right to self—defence and indeed providing the kinds of equipment that israel has used to defend itself from these appalling attacks over the past 36 hours. >> we will continue to do everything that we to can help. when i spoke to prime minister netanyahu recently this afternoon, i assured him of that support and said that uk support and said that the uk stood ready provide that stood ready to provide that support. that's support. whether that's diplomatic security support. diplomatic or security support. and he knows we are here and he knows that we are here and help. and ready to help. >> are you >> and how concerned are you that the conflict could descend into a wider regional war? >> you know, of course, no one wants to see regional escalation and both the uk and allies have urged everyone in the region not to use this as an opportunity to incite further violence or hatred . and in the meantime, we hatred. and in the meantime, we will continue to provide israel with every support that it

needs. we stand steadfast needs. as we stand steadfast with israel, including its right to self—defence, to ensure that these attacks do not happen and we will continue to support israel in that . israel in that. >> thank you very much. thank . >> thank you very much. thank. you very much. >> thank you. thank you. all right . right. >> that is rishi sunak speaking with atrocities in with regard to the atrocities in israel it's though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe it's though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe great t's though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe great british though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe great british debate h, for the great british debate this hour. if you've just tuned in, it's coming to 27 in, it's just coming up to 27 minutes after 5:00. we gb minutes after 5:00. we are gb news. the debate , i'm news. and in the debate, i'm asking, you trust to fix asking, who do you trust to fix the education whilst sir the education system whilst sir keir starmer proposed to impose that on private schools on their fees immediately upon winning the next general election. so he's going do that that he's going to do that and that caused amongst caused a lot of concerns amongst many and parents. labour many schools and parents. labour argues that removing the charitable status from independent schools could generate 1.6 billion to invest in state schools for hiring staff, mental health and counsellors and career advisers. however a lot of critics, including rishi sunak, view this move as detrimental, potentially forcing many students out of private schools . so for the private schools. so for the

great debate, this hour, great british debate, this hour, i'm asking you trust to i'm asking who do you trust to fix system? i'm fix the education system? so i'm joined now by former labour mp stephen pound, online editor of the milbank the critique. sebastian milbank and former labour adviser matthew lazar. i'm going to start with you, matthew lazar oh, i've missed somebody . i oh, i've missed somebody. i missed . oh, in the corner there missed. oh, in the corner there . i didn't did i not say yes. oh is it not? shall i introduce myself? oh, i'm sorry about that. well, i'll come to you in a moment. sorry about that. i'll start with matthew, but i'll come to you. apologies. matthew lazan >> so, i mean , i think that >> so, i mean, i think that we need in education need a reset in education policy, and i think we'll get there starmer. there with keir starmer. >> and putting vat on >> and i think putting vat on pubuc >> and i think putting vat on public private public school fees, private school and school fees is absolutely and totally acceptable because, you know, working parents pay know, hard working parents pay out on everything. bar children's clothes and food that out on everything. bar childbuy; clothes and food that out on everything. bar childbuy forothes and food that out on everything. bar childbuy for their and food that out on everything. bar childbuy for their kids, food that they buy for their kids, including computer that including the computer that every needs achieve every kid needs now to achieve at so why shouldn't at school. so why shouldn't there be a level playing field ? there be a level playing field? >> hardly. i don't think. >> well, hardly. i don't think. let's an sorry, let's go to an nadler sorry, ann, what earlier i >> and it's fine. it's joanne, by the way. >> it's joanne.

>> it's joanne. >> oh, yeah. i mean, i'm actually going to address your your bigger issue here, which is who do we trust with our education system ? education system? >> and i have to say regretfully , certainly not any politicians . what we've seen over the last 30 or 40 years is just constant reform. and i think, you know, whether you're a teacher or whether you're a teacher or whether you're a parent or whether you're a parent or whether indeed you are a student at school, this is just a kind of technocratic focus which isn't helping to concentrate on the real sort of philosophical issues of what we want from education. now, i'm not in favour of the reforms that you've discussed that the labour party want to bring in and i'm not particularly impressed by what rishi sunak had to offer last week either because i think in cases these are kind of in both cases these are kind of they're kind of tinkering around they're kind of tinkering around the edges and they're not looking at the really serious issues children should issues of what children should be taught, what the underlying values should be, and whether we want to kind of concentrate on the things that traditionally

we've been very good at in this country, which is a sort of knowledge based curriculum based on empirical sources and kind of take it from there rather than didn't need to sort of reform andindeed didn't need to sort of reform and indeed revolutionise the system . system. >> all right. well, i'm going to go to sebastian milbank. sebastian . the fact the vat sebastian. the fact the vat policy is simply a half measure. >> as we've said, many of these things. >> so on the one hand, you're punishing parents who are already paying into the tax system in school that system for places in school that their children are not using . their children are not using. >> so that but on the >> so think that but on the other hand, you are talking about , you know, other hand, you are talking about, you know, an average school fee of 15,000 or something year. so this is not something a year. so this is not you know, this not sort of you know, this is not sort of people minor institutions. >> these are elite schools and they do you know, you are looking at situation where something like two thirds of our judges went public school.

judges went to public school. even stars and even now, pop stars and entertainers sportsmen are entertainers and sportsmen are increasingly people who went to elite public schools. >> you know, i think that a far better policy would be rather than removing the charitable status of these schools or taxing around the margins , we taxing around the margins, we should simply say, if you want, you can have a charitable status for private institution, for a for a private institution, for a private but it has to private school. but it has to actually charitable. you actually be charitable. you actually be charitable. you actually teach the actually have to teach the children you have children of the poor. you have to have something more than to have something like more than 50% to be 50% of the students need to be on know, on scholarships. you know, something that will make something like that will make a meaningful so the meaningful difference. so the sebastian, are very charitable. >> i mean, the private school i went to a very charitable. so a lot of them do that. and lot of them do do that. and i and that stephen and i hear that stephen pound good anna. good afternoon, anna. >> look, i support anybody with the right to spend the money. >> spend >> how they wish to spend it within reason. >> how they wish to spend it witiwhatason. >> how they wish to spend it witiwhat lion. >> how they wish to spend it witiwhat i don't support the >> what i don't support is the idea that we should give them a discount we should discount on that. we should actually a, you know, actually give them a, you know, actually give them a, you know, a simply a vat discount. that's simply not look, we can't not right. look, we can't aboush not right. look, we can't abolish charitable abolish the charitable status for most for schools because most of these go back these charitable status go back to edward the fifth. >> know , to impossible. but >> you know, to impossible. but

look, think the person i trust look, i think the person i trust is bridget phillipson , who's the is bridget phillipson, who's the labour on education. >> and i think the important thing here that if you thing here is that if you actually teachers, you actually talk to teachers, you know, get past the know, once you get past the obviously money, know, once you get past the obviknow money, know, once you get past the obviknow who money, know, once you get past the obviknow who doesn't? money, you know who doesn't? >> condition, >> but it's the condition, the physical of the physical condition of the classrooms and schools in this country . country. >> and it's not just the situation. >> it just have a look at the schools we've around us and schools we've got around us and i teachers and what i think what teachers and what pupils teachers support pupils and what teachers support staff all, staff want is, first of all, a penod staff want is, first of all, a period of stability. them period of stability. leave them alone. don't set up another whole range of exams. >> so to create a further divide between commercial sector between the commercial sector and the state sector, where pubuc and the state sector, where public have their own public schools have their own exams have exams and state schools have theirs, forget that. >> let's give schools warm words. >> them warm >> let's give them warm classrooms , make decent, safe classrooms, make decent, safe classrooms, make decent, safe classrooms . let the teachers get classrooms. let the teachers get on teach and by all means on and teach and by all means remove vat because that's a ridiculous perk. >> but don't change the charitable status because we can't do it. >> matthew, i'm give >> matthew, i'm going to give you another briefly to. you another 10s just briefly to. >> stephen you another 10s just briefly to. >:absolutely stephen you another 10s just briefly to. >:absolutely right. stephen is absolutely right. >> mean, the rishi sunak >> i mean, the rishi sunak proposals this will just proposals this week will just are just nonsense because we

don't maths teachers are just nonsense because we do teach maths teachers are just nonsense because we do teach the maths teachers are just nonsense because we doteach the currentnaths teachers are just nonsense because we doteach the current curriculum ers to teach the current curriculum , everybody to teach the current curriculum , to everybody to teach the current curriculum , to he's everybody to teach the current curriculum , to he's livingybody to teach the current curriculum , to he's living in)dy maths to 18. he's living in cloud land and we a cloud cuckoo land and we need a fresh start for our schools. >> so let's ask >> all right, so let's i'll ask you all then. you trust you all then. who do you trust then? trust labour with then? do you trust labour with education? stephen pound, bridget labour bridget phillipson and labour jo—anne nadler do you trust them? i no, i absolutely don't because they want to instrumentalize schools . instrumentalize schools. >> they want to make schools, engines of critical social justice. they don't really want to educate people in the sense that we understand in this country or we done country or we have done traditionally. but as i said at country or we have done tradbeginninqut as i said at country or we have done tradbeginning of as i said at country or we have done tradbeginning of myi said at country or we have done tradbeginning of my comments, the beginning of my comments, i'm taken i'm not particularly taken with the agenda either. the conservatives agenda either. so say you've got to so i would say you've got to trust parents. you've got to trust parents. you've got to trust so you don't give trust teachers so you don't give them far more control . yeah. them far more control. yeah. >> okay, great. and also sebastian , who do you sebastian millbank, who do you trust? trust yes trust? do you trust labour? yes or ? or no? >> beholden to unions, >> labour is beholden to unions, not parents. don't trust them. >> and matthew lawson i trust labour as long as it puts peoples first and delivers a decent at end in decent school at the end of in everybody's and everybody's community up and down . right, down the country. all right, thank much, stephen down the country. all right, thank sebastian|uch, stephen down the country. all right, thank sebastian milbank,|hen pound, sebastian milbank, matthew lawson and also jo—anne nadler , thank you for nadler, thank you so much for your thoughts. their

your thoughts. that's their thoughts. what yours? this thoughts. what are yours? this is , online and on is gb news on tv, online and on digital with is gb news on tv, online and on digigreat with is gb news on tv, online and on digigreat british with is gb news on tv, online and on digigreat british debate with is gb news on tv, online and on digigreat british debate thisth the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking who do you trust fix education trust to fix the education system country? system in this country? you'll hear of my panel hear the thoughts of my panel broadcast journalist broadcast from journalist danny kelly author and kelly and also author and journalist christine hamilton. but get your latest but first, let's get your latest news headlines with ray addison i >> thanks, nana. it's 5:33. our top story this hour, the prime minister, rishi sunak , has told minister, rishi sunak, has told israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu the uk is ready to provide support after it was attacked by the terrorist organisation hamas. now, those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where israel says 800 hamas targets have been hit, killing hundreds of fighters with dozens more captured. earlier, mr netanyahu said they will turn anywhere hamas terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas immediately. more than 500 israelis were

killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack. at least 313 palestinians also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. litvinenko lieutenant colonel richard hecht is the idf's international spokesperson . international spokesperson. >> the visuals are isil visuals in a way , this is our 9/11. in a way, this is our 9/11. >> this is our 9/11. and you know, even more than that. i mean , it wasn't crashing into a mean, it wasn't crashing into a building. it's also mutilating and attacking a party that was happening around the gaza strip, nature party, attacking civilians . is nature party, attacking civilians. is kidnapping a grandmother. >> the 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants . that's been hamas militants. that's been confirmed by his family.

nathaniel young was serving with the israeli defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. he was a student at jfs jewish school in north london and had recently been living in central israel . been living in central israel. well, police in london are stepping up reassurance patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel . videos have violence in israel. videos have emerged online, appearing to show people in various parts of london, some holding flags while clapping and cheering. the met police say the situation in israel may lead to protests here over the coming days . a well, over the coming days. a well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at the labour conference this morning. he was quickly removed from the stage before angela rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. labour's deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule . a decade of tory rule. >> there has never been so

unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. but the tories also have one singular focus is to desperately cling on to power. that's why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. you cannot level up from the top down and the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them . wealth where it benefits them. >> you can find more on all of those stories on our website. gb news.com. now let's get back to nana. >> coming up in the mini debates, i'll be discussing if female football pundits are irritating to listen to. plus, on the way , the great british on the way, the great british debate this hour, who do you trust to fix the education system in this country? i'll be joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton and author

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>> gb news the people's. channel >> gb news the people's. channel >> if you just tuned in. >> if you just tuned in. >> welcome aboard. 41 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, i was asking who do you trust education trust to fix the education system in this country? and of course, lots of you been getting in touch. do think it's the in touch. do you think it's the case, proposal case, starmer, with his proposal to private to impose vat on private schools and his other proposal to and also his other proposal to sort charge private sort of charge private university students more so that

other people who are poorer can go to university? i mean, or lots people are concerned lots of people are concerned about this. or what about the charitable status, the removal of that ? is that a good idea of that? is that a good idea will 1.7 billion to will generate 1.7 billion to invest schools . but do invest in state schools. but do we need to complete overhaul of the system or do you trust the conservative party who've come up with different policies like get rid of a—level system get rid of the a—level system and, you know, change it all again? let's see what my panel make that. joining make of that. joining me now, broadcaster columnist broadcaster and columnist at no, you're you're an you're not columnist. you're an author, christine hamilton, whatever . whatever. >> housewife. >> i'm a housewife. >> i'm a housewife. >> danny kelly all right. >> danny kelly all right. >> well, i'll also authored a book, as know, did book, as you know, i did a cookbook about 15 years ago. i've told you this before. >> no, you have told us because i'm only. i'm an author only. >> many pages was it was it >> how many pages was it was it was more of a pamphlet. >> was to with just a it >> it was to do with just a it still has to be authored. >> yeah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> how yeah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> how pages yeah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> how pages ineah. >> yeah, but yeah. >> how pages in the >> how many pages in the pamphlet about 16. pamphlet was about 16. >> i've been pamphlet was about 16. >> author i've been pamphlet was about 16. >> author as i've been pamphlet was about 16. >> author as well. i've been an author as well. >> i've written two books >> then i've written two books on to education. >> yeah, let's on. >> yeah, let's move on. >> yeah, let's move on. >> not? >> yeah, let's move on. >> let's not? >> yeah, let's move on. >> let's not with nothing i've >> let's go with nothing i've

done for myself done all right for myself and for there who for kids out there who are struggling education, you struggling with education, you can life. can make something of your life. of course. you can. of course you can. one of your commentators that the lady, commentators said that the lady, joanne, said she doesn't trust labour because she's worried about the saturation of social justice ideology. i think that it's already saturated. i'm i'm not convinced it could be any more exacerbated and maybe it could be. and maybe that's a valid sunak valid concern. rishi sunak focusing on on core maths, was it an and english maths till the age of 18? >> you carry on with that? >> you carry on with that? >> yeah. i mean, english is a great one. i don't get maths, i'm not sure what the benefit of maths is. >> people can you've got to calculate . calculate. >> i maths more >> i know maths is more sophisticated more complex >> i know maths is more sophjustited more complex >> i know maths is more sophjust multiple more complex >> i know maths is more sophjust multiple and complex than just multiple and divisions. i get all of that. >> i think you might be talking mortgages and like that. >> i think you might be talking mortgagi'mlnd like that. >> i think you might be talking mortgagi'm hoping like that. >> i think you might be talking mortgagi'm hoping liithat's:. i mean, i'm hoping that that's kind talking about. so trying to instil >> so he's trying to instil a basic sense about how basic common sense about how to use money wisely. >> think. think so. but he >> i think. i think so. but he hasn't you know, there's hasn't been, you know, there's a lot just know how lot of classes just to know how to though, isn't it? to budget, though, isn't it? >> only >> it seemed to me he's only threw it out the other day. i

haven't seen much detail. it seems to absolute madness to seems to me absolute madness to think that everybody should do maths english until they're think that everybody should do ma yes, english until they're think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody until they're think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody should 1ey're think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody should do're 18. yes, everybody should do maths and english until they're say 16. but to continue to it to 80 and a lot of people just just 80 and a lot of people justjust don't head don't do maths, their head doesn't work properly to do maths is absurd to waste maths and it is absurd to waste a amount of money i think a vast amount of money i think in taking people on to 18. what is the point ? yes, people. is the point? yes, people. >> enough teachers >> there aren't enough teachers . so hadn't his own. . so he hadn't done his own. >> there aren't >> yeah, exactly. there aren't enough i what i would do enough do what i what i would do either party should do is they should teachers in the should pay the teachers in the scarce more money, get scarce subjects more money, get more teachers in, use the market economy to pay maths teachers because apparently they're very, very scarce. pay more very scarce. pay them more money. the market economy work. >> okay. so what about this idea? because labour are actually mulling over an to actually mulling over an idea to return student grants. have return student grants. so have student grants which would fund poorer , but it would poorer students, but it would actually paid for the actually be paid for by the richest students. that's of richest students. that's one of the plans . the labour party's plans. >> well, the first thing i would do number do is i would cut the number of university utterly university places. it is utterly , utterly absurd that that

everybody should go to university . they then end up university. they then end up with a degree in a pretty useless subject don't useless subject and they don't get they get anything back from it. they don't enhanced income don't get any enhanced income from it they wonder what the from it and they wonder what the hell, okay, they've lovely hell, okay, they've had a lovely three that's not three years, but that's not really point. far really the point. they'd be far better lot. but what about better off a lot. but what about the getting a job the specific getting a job or doing course ? well, doing a technical course? well, that would be a very socialist policy, wouldn't it? personally, i can't see why all students shouldn't be equal the shouldn't be equal at the moment. more when moment. if you earn more when you nearly said retire, when you leave university, if you earn more, you don't start paying back until you've earned a fairly reasonable amount anyway . so people who go into lower paid jobs, whether they're vocational jobs or whatever, they pay back . so they don't have to pay back. so in event, richest in any event, the richest students, he's underestimating the sacrifices of working class families as well who who go without summer holidays, who go. >> you're talking about keir >> you're talking about sir keir starmer talking about sir keir >> we're talking about sir keir starmer punitive starmer in a punitive way, punishing wealthier kids, supporting and compensating for less wealthy . i have yet to see

less wealthy. i have yet to see the complete detail in his policy. but but i have a good feeling that he'll be punishing hard working class mums hard working working class mums and who are sacrificing and dads who are sacrificing everyday that they can everyday things that they can put children into private put their children into private school. and just more thing school. and just one more thing he that his aspiration he did say that his aspiration is to every state school he did say that his aspiration is to playingery state school he did say that his aspiration is to playing field ate school he did say that his aspiration is to playing field with chool he did say that his aspiration is to playing field with public level playing field with public schools. that's just an ideological pipe dream because you need to understand that there in certain there are schools in certain areas city centres areas of towns and city centres everywhere in the united kingdom and they will never have that level of educational attainment . it's not an equitable system . . it's not an equitable system. >> unfortunately, it's not. they'll be lucky to have a playing field at all, never mind a level field, know. a level playing field, you know. >> matter how much >> exactly. no matter how much money from wealthy money he takes from wealthy people this people or presumably this business charging wealthier business of charging wealthier students more, they'll have to be some sort of means test for families. >> they will have to. that's what they used to be. when i went to university. you what? you tested and you were means tested and everybody minimum grant everybody got a minimum grant of £50. everybody literally £50. £50. so everybody literally £50. you got £50. however rich you were othennise you. >> but means testing doesn't

doesn't necessarily take into account the sacrifices of families means testing. you can't put on a means test. i'm not going on holiday to the price. >> no, you're right. when i was at university, i didn't get money because my dad earned more money. but that didn't he money because my dad earned more monemeyut that didn't he money because my dad earned more monemeyut tmoney.1't he money because my dad earned more monemeyut tmoney.1"didn't. he gave me his money. i didn't. i had dancing had to work in clubs, dancing clubs security , you know. >> were you a female bouncer ? >> were you a female bouncer? >> were you a female bouncer? >> a female bouncer. i >> i was a female bouncer. i would been more frightened would have been more frightened of annabel's i >> any male counterpart of yours? >> exactly. the mind boggles , >> exactly. the mind boggles, but yeah, so . so my dad didn't but yeah, so. so my dad didn't necessarily pass enough money over to me, and i had to take a loan out and stuff. yes, he did what he could, but you know . what he could, but you know. >> but it wasn't that a >> yeah, but it wasn't that a very about very good lesson for you about i might have got a better grade. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> but you've done for yourself. >> you've done all right, nana. you've right. you've done all right. what? i want is striking out want to see is striking out of all this woke in all this woke business in education. teachers education. stop teachers undermining parents. okay, well, let just let me see what the let me just let me see what the viewers of because i. >> well, let's find out what they because this show they think, because this show is nothing without them. let's welcome voices welcome our great british voices their opportunity on the

their opportunity to be on the show think show and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. i've got three of them. with them. i'm going to start with leigh webb in bedfordshire. do you labour or you trust the labour party or even the party who you even the tory party who do you trust the broken trust? trust to fix the broken trust? >> them? >> any of them? >> any of them? >> listened to their soundbites. >> i just don't trust any of them. >> what we need doing is >> what we need to be doing is bringing education back to its basics, making the cses really good, making a—levels really good, making a—levels really good gnvqs good because a lot of the colleges don't go up to nvq three. no more and the btec is really good. >> we need to be improving all of qualifications rather of those qualifications rather than new than bringing in new qualifications and making sound bites we're going shift bites that we're going to shift money from education money from private education right to state education. right over to state education. >> to , going you know, >> it's not to, going you know, sound what we've got. >> yeah, robbing peter to pay paul >> yeah, robbing peter to pay paul. elizabeth elizabeth in cheshire . cheshire. >> well, it's clear that the government, like many in politics, have little idea on what's going on in the countries they govern. >> proposals >> with recent proposals of scrapping a—levels and making maths the english compulsory maths and the english compulsory till 18, we have to till the age of 18, we have to ask ourselves, is that ask ourselves, why is it that older generations , evans, were

older generations, evans, were far better educated, despite leaving school earlier compared to generations? idea to younger generations? the idea that the longer one stays in school, the better educated they will be is simply buffoonery . so will be is simply buffoonery. so then control the then who should control the education system ? well, education system? well, certainly not any of the mainstream political parties in power right now. >> i like that word buffoonery that describes them all quite nicely, actually. and brian duganin nicely, actually. and brian dugan in solihull . dugan in solihull. >> hi, nana. um, yeah , i think >> hi, nana. um, yeah, i think it was. >> i think it was the mail actually a few weeks ago that wrote in an opinion column that that if there was a metaphor that if there was a metaphor that summed up the shambolic state of britain under this tory government more than more than anything, it's the it's the crumbling schools crisis . so crumbling schools crisis. so i can't say that you can trust the tory government in terms of education. i agree with lee . i education. i agree with lee. i agree with the previous speaker there. in terms of , um, agree with the previous speaker there. in terms of, um, i don't see what rishi sunak is talking

aboutin see what rishi sunak is talking about in terms of maths and english, in terms of it's another ill thought through slogan and policy punt in terms of there's not enough teachers for, for, for doing what he's proposing. so again, it's just it's running out of sorry you were on a roll. >> thank you so much . to the >> thank you so much. to the fabulous brian doogan in solihull, elizabeth. and also to lee webb. thank you so much. great to speak to you. those are my great voices. quickly my great british voices. quickly a story caught eye, a story that caught my eye, football keegan. football legend kevin keegan. got about a minute. daddy expressed about expressed his reservation about female men's female pundits discussing men's football. well, what do you think? because columnist on the daily mail, amanda patel, who's been , a dedicated been dedicated, a dedicated spurs she's followed since spurs fan, she's followed since her childhood, has enjoyed the success game, but success of the women's game, but acknowledges the differences while she recognised talents while she recognised the talents of commentators , she of female commentators, she believes fans believes many football fans prefer analysis from men. so danny, i agree. >> she's hit the nail on the head and a woman has finally said blokes prefer head and a woman has finally said talkingykes prefer head and a woman has finally said talking about'efer head and a woman has finally said talking about blokes blokes talking about blokes playing football. it's not rocket science football focus

back in. i think three years ago, the bbc are thinking about panning it because a woman footballer and it's footballer took over and it's just dramatically it's just deteriorated dramatically . deteriorated dramatically. >> christine hamilton i agree. good amanda. she has exactly good for amanda. she has exactly hit head . hit the nail on the head. >> sort of agree as >> yeah, i sort of agree as well. sorry i know. >> yeah, i sort of agree as welit's sorry i know. >> yeah, i sort of agree as wel it's terrifying, know. >> yeah, i sort of agree as wel it's terrifying, isn't/. >> yeah, i sort of agree as welit's terrifying, isn't it? >> it's terrifying, isn't it? all most women agree . we've just all most women agree. we've just said it. oh, we have. >> we have . some people said it. oh, we have. >> welike�*e . some people said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, some people said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, so, some people said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, so, you ne people said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, so, you knowyple said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, so, you know ,yle said it. oh, we have. >> welike it, so, you know , ia might like it, so, you know, i want them to be knowledgeable about the game. but right now it's supplements it's time for supplements sunday. this where the panel sunday. this is where the panel and stories that and i discuss some stories that caught danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with you )anny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with you strictly. going to start with you strictly. you've got about minute. you've got about a minute. strictly favourite mine. my >> not a favourite of mine. my wife you will love wife loves it. you will love it, no you're sporty no doubt, because you're sporty and and oh, you're and you dance and oh, you're looking at me as if you don't like it. i love it. oh, you do like it. i love it. oh, you do like it? guess how much the contestants there's contestants are paid? there's a flat is it? is it? flat fee. is it? what is it? £25,000. the weather, whether you the first round or you go out the first round or not, the dancers get between 30. yeah, get yeah, 25 grand. the dancers get between 35 and £50,000. if you make it to blackpool , you'll you make it to blackpool, you'll you get £75,000. if you win, you get

a £100,000 bounty. but and i have to ask, is this coming from the bbc licence fee? because i'm assuming it is. of course it is. and could the bbc pay something? yes, but it's such it's such a big show . would people do it for big show. would people do it for the 25 grand? that's all i'm saying . the 25 grand? that's all i'm say but. have to pay the >> but you have to pay the further they get, further through. they get, the more pay i more you have to pay them. i did masterchef was exactly masterchef. it was exactly the same. you the first one. got same. you the first one. you got x you through to the next x if you got through to the next round, you got x plus, etcetera, etcetera. okay. so because you have at it, have to spend more time at it, you to talk about you want to talk about your supplement talk me. supplement or not talk to me. yes. left mine behind, so yes. i've left mine behind, so i'm having to look on my i'm having to look at it on my phone. king charles used talk phone. king charles used to talk to we know to his plants. okay. we all know that. and that. i talk to my plants and they respond beautifully . but they respond beautifully. but now, have sing now, apparently you have to sing to your and research has to your plants and research has been done that if you play a play to the plants for five hours a day at 60 to 70db, which is apparently normal conversation. that's us. you conversation. so that's us. you get after five days, you get get a after five days, you get 10% greater leaf growth rate. i slightly wondered if this was an april fool. it's come from

china's tianjin normal university. so we'll see. but apparently if you sing to your plants and play music, you get when to people say it's the carbon dioxide coming from your mouth that helps when chatting to there's no mouth . to them, there's no mouth. you're playing electronic music i >> -- >> do they? do you find them wilting with boredom whenever you talk to them ? be all in your legs. >> let's move on to oh, my oh, i beg your pardon. well, listen, i'm off. what do you think? i love her. >> i love her. right >> i love her. right >> well, did you know that apparently drinking a matched match her on match? match matched her on match? i can't even say it. matcha latte or tea effectively or green tea could effectively inactivate covid. that's just new research that suggests that the omicron variant makes covid fighting molecules in tea even more powerful. did you know about that? >> well, i've never heard of matcha latte, for one. >> you've heard of green tea, though? i don't. >> i don't trust these funny drinks. stick to alcohol . drinks. i stick to alcohol. >> so what's wrong with you on about? >> but what that does demonstrate that does demonstrate that does demonstra of many in

properties of so many things in the where we the in the wild. look where we get from, for example. get aspirin from, for example. i'm sure is . get aspirin from, for example. i'm sure is. i'm not sure i'm sure it is. i'm not sure i knew it . no, i'm sure it is. i'm not sure i knew it. no, i'm not i'm sure it is. i'm not sure i knew it . no, i'm not sure. i'm sure it is. i'm not sure i knew it. no, i'm not sure. i think we get it from a laboratory. well there's a derivative of a tree that is some sort of painkiller honey, for example, if you cut your leg. >> well, opium is a painkiller. opium, poppy. >> opium . there you go. from >> opium. there you go. from a tree that's good for you. >> take opiates every day from plants. >> but what this but what this illustrates is a reminder that it could well be possible . well, it could well be possible. well, that actually there's a very simplistic potential remedies in the everyday things that we have. and it's not necessarily big pharma there to big pharma who are out there to make that you keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. that you keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. honeynu keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. honey onzeep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. honey on on) buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. honey on on grazesg their stuff. honey on on grazes and wounds. >> well, lot of these things, >> well, a lot of these things, they wives they are thought to be old wives tales, but there's a reason why they're because they're old wives tales, because they're old wives tales, because they're exist as they're true and they exist as well. be right. i'm not well. so may be right. i'm not to going try it, though. it doesn't. my boat. doesn't. doesn't rock my boat. no, no. just have cup of tea no, no. just have a cup of tea if covid. if you've got covid. >> just in case. >> just in case. >> a good cup coffee. >> thought saying a tea >> i thought you're saying a tea or like well, it or something like that. well, it depends on the of day. depends on the time of day. >> but, you >> covid is coming. but, you

know, more and more know, i know more and more people. friends who've got covid, it seems to be rampant. >> this like a cold now >> was this like a cold now these hopefully these days? so hopefully for most say first most anyway. but let's say first of on today's show of all, though, on today's show , asking, do you , we've been asking, who do you trust education trust to fix the education system? our twitter system? according to our twitter poll, you say labour , 26% poll, 71% of you say labour, 26% of you say conservative. 57% of you say reform uk. wow. wow. a lot of people go for reform. well, listen, thank you so much to my fabulous panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you, danny. >> author and author, best >> and author and author, best selling of a pamphlet and broadcast and author christine hampton joining me. hampton for joining me. >> and thank you to you at home for your company. fonnard for your company. i look fonnard to week, same to seeing you next week, same time, on saturday at time, same place on saturday at 3:00. enjoy the week . 3:00. enjoy the week. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. this weekend's heavy rain across scotland is slowly beginning to ease off. it will beginning to ease off. it will be turning patchier and lighter throughout the rest of this afternoon into this evening afternoon and into this evening as overnight as well into the overnight period, actually pushing it southwards. starting to see southwards. so starting to see some rain move into northern

parts of northern ireland and eventually galloway eventually dumfries and galloway , region as , the scottish borders region as well elsewhere. a drier night, but cloud pushing but quite a lot of cloud pushing into western coastal areas could turn murky here. turn quite foggy and murky here. but all that cloud but underneath all that cloud will relatively mild for most will be relatively mild for most of dropping of us. temperatures not dropping much below 11 to 15 c as we start off monday. then there will be this thick band of cloud for northern ireland, southern scotland into northern areas of england light england could bring some light outbreaks of rain drizzle outbreaks of rain and drizzle in places. of the cloud across places. some of the cloud across the will back to the the west will burn back to the coastal but it could coastal areas, but it could unger coastal areas, but it could linger places throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the places throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. aces throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. the throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. the besthhout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. the best partst much of the day. the best parts of sunshine central of the sunshine will be central areas wales into central areas of wales into central southern of england southern areas of england as well. temperatures 5 to 6 degrees where we'd degrees above where we'd normally at normally expect them at this point generally point in october, generally ranging 17 and 24 c. ranging between 17 and 24 c. there will be changes afoot there as we head into tuesday . there as we head into tuesday. and this frontal system going and this frontal system is going to its in to start pushing its way in from the north—west slowly moving its way south eastwards. so rain initially across northwestern areas scotland will be not as areas of scotland will be not as heavy as what we've seen over the falling the weekend, but it's falling oven the weekend, but it's falling over, ground. so over, very saturated ground. so there possibility of some

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of fighters with dozens more captured, we could see flames there in the distance on the gaza skyline. now, earlier on, israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu said they will turn anywhere hamas terrorists are hiding into, quote, an island of ruins. and he urged the people of gaza to leave those areas . now, more leave those areas. now, more than 700 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterday's surprise attack by hamas. at least 313 palestinians also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets and gunmen stormed the border . lieutenant stormed the border. lieutenant colonel richard hecht is the idf's international spokesperson . he described the scene on the ground, the visuals are isil

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