who support hamas are people who support hamas are fully responsible for this appalling act of terror , for the appalling act of terror, for the murder of civilians for and the kidnapping of innocent people, including children. i've just spoken with prime minister netanyahu to assure him of the uk's steadfast support . uk's steadfast support. >> well , lieutenant colonel >> well, lieutenant colonel richard hecht is the idf's international spokesperson. he described the scene on the ground . ground. >> the visuals are isil visuals . in a way, this is our 9/11. this is our 9/11. and, you know, even more than that, i mean, it wasn't it crashing into a building . it's also much building. it's also much oscillating and attacking a party that was happening around the gaza strip nature party , the gaza strip nature party, attacking civilians , kidnapping attacking civilians, kidnapping attacking civilians, kidnapping a grandmother . for what we can a grandmother. for what we can see live footage there of the gaza skyline where there has

been incidents taking place with retaliatory strikes from israel against hamas. >> and you can see smoke there in the distance. this as one of those rockets has made contact with a target . on with the show with a target. on with the show and number 10 has projected the israeli flag onto downing street , sharing the image on x. the prime minister said it showed solidarity with the people of israel. it comes after the flag was flashed on to several public locations in the ukrainian capital, kyiv . the flag has also capital, kyiv. the flag has also been shared on public buildings in cities around the world, including and new york. including berlin and new york. well gb news understands that labour plans to appoint a covid corruption commissioner if the party wins the next general election. the new role is designed to help recoup billions of pounds of taxpayers money lost during the pandemic. labour believes there were cases of waste, fraud and fraud contracts. shadow chancellor rachel reeves is expected to make the announcement at this is

gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's time for headliners as . headliners as. >> hello and welcome to headliners. your first look at monday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle and tonight i'm joined by comedian victor daniels, who began his stand—up career in 1999. around the same time, my other comedian guest achieved the history a—level result the best history a—level result in the country. but he doesn't like talk about it. so nick like to talk about it. so nick dixon, you both? it was dixon, how are you both? it was actually third let's be actually third best. let's be factual. facts . factual. oh, gb news the facts. yeah. still. that's yeah. third best still. that's not too shabby. >> not bad. i know , but no one. >> not bad. i know, but no one. no one said oxbridge or anything because comprehensive because i was at a comprehensive school . i could talk about it school. i could talk about it all night. >> but let's not get too >> yes, but let's not get too much. how are you, victor? are you good? yeah. want to you good? yeah. i just want to correct

you good? yeah. i just want to cor|| ct you good? yeah. i just want to cor|| started comedy in 2022, >> i started comedy in 2022, year 21. >> f year 21. >> to nigerian >> according to my nigerian passport. thank you passport. there we go. thank you for it's for the correction. it's important facts important we get these facts absolutely right. we're to absolutely right. so we're to going have a quick run through of monday's front before of monday's front covers before we daily mail. we begin the daily mail. leading with merciless with pawns of merciless terrorists . most of the front terrorists. most of the front covers will, of course, be covering the situation in israel. telegraph has us sends warships and jets to help israel. the guardian violence escalates as death toll surges to over 1000 and the times is running with stunned israel goes to war. the news fears grow for 100 hostages. and finally , the 100 hostages. and finally, the financial times. israel at war after deadly hamas attack. those were monday's front pages . so were monday's front pages. so obviously very horrific news coming out of israel and they're all covering it. we're going to start with the times. how are they reporting on this situation, nick? well, the times has stunned israel goes to war and they're covering the key

parts that britain amongst more than a thousand dead. >> they're referring to nathaniel young, who's tragically and there's nathaniel young, who's tragijake and there's nathaniel young, who's tragijake marlow, d there's nathaniel young, who's tragijake marlow, a there's nathaniel young, who's tragijake marlow, a british also jake marlow, a british person feared kidnapped . person who is feared kidnapped. and sunak has offered intelligence and military aid and us warships have moved closer to and they're saying at least 700 israelis have died. so it's obviously horrific . someone it's obviously horrific. someone just referred to it as a sort of new 9/11 there, which it does it does feel like that, doesn't it? yeah. and it's fascinating. we get the story on x now, formerly twitter way wouldn't twitter in a way we wouldn't have we really it's have before. so we really it's horrific. but we sort of see the real story. >> interesting, >> that's very interesting, isn't these. isn't it? is that these. absolutely. it's impossible to watch videos watch some of these videos that are israel. and are coming out of israel. and but being updated but but we're being updated just continually what's going continually about what's going on there , which i suppose on over there, which i suppose is important. we need to know what's going this is what's going on. this is described as their 911, and i think that's right, because it's specifically young specifically targeting young civilians. i mean, there can be no justification for anything like this. >> can't say jokes on this one. >> no, no, absolutely not. the only would say is it's

only thing i would say is it's forming our opinion. >> so just to give a more balanced view, we don't know exactly what's going on with regards to the pricing because the palestinians seem to have done something that's instigated a war. and itjust done something that's instigated a war. and it just seems done something that's instigated a war. and itjust seems like an a war. and it just seems like an odd a war. and it just seems like an odcyeah, i mean, it's >> yeah, well, i mean, it's terrorist let's be terrorist activity, let's be honest. that's what that's what it know, don't think it is. you know, i don't think there's around it. we're there's any way around it. we're going go on to front going to go on to the front cover of monday's telegraph. going to go on to the front cowthey'relonday's telegraph. going to go on to the front cowthey're obviouslyelegraph. going to go on to the front cowthey're obviously also aph. so they're obviously also leading with the israel story. there's a couple of other stories on this front cover. it's worth looking at. >> they've got border >> yeah, they've got border force staff flaunt pride , force staff flaunt pride, epilepsy. and this is kind of kicking on x at the moment. kicking off on x at the moment. so the home office policy seems to suella braverman to ignore suella braverman concerns a suella concerns and we do a suella braverman concerns ignored braverman is concerns ignored story every night? well, they are ignored . they're are routinely ignored. they're all so what all ignored. and so what happenedis all ignored. and so what happened is on september 29th, 40, home office officials participated in an online discussion of lgbt issues in which a transgender border force official based at gatwick airport told civil servants that wearing pride, epaulettes is

wait for both welcoming and wait for it both welcoming and a little you may have little warning that you may have your but we're not your prejudices, but we're not going them. and they going to tolerate them. and they later about we're an later talk about we're an inclusive department and inclusive department and inclusive whatever you inclusive country, whatever you happen so it's happen to think. so it's an inclusive andrew look, inclusive warning. andrew look, this is my favourite type of warning. so my understanding is that policy, so that the home office policy, so you have to be you can't you have to be impartial, ? impartial, right? >> point is that >> and braverman's point is that if pride epaulettes if you wear the pride epaulettes , you are violating that impartiality. is a fair impartiality. is that a fair point? victor, think it's point? victor, i think it's a fair point. >> and as well, it's like what message we sending to people message are we sending to people coming the uk that have message are we sending to people corarmy the uk that have message are we sending to people corarmy gay�* uk that have message are we sending to people corarmy gay�* uk thathat have message are we sending to people corarmy gay�* uk thathat might an army of gay people that might strip searches think strip searches? i think it's a well, you know what, alexander the great was, was a was a gay military leader and he did pretty well . pretty well. >> so maybe we need to frighten them. the spartans. i'm scared . them. the spartans. i'm scared. there we go. >> it does impartiality in >> it does put impartiality in jeopardy. the person jeopardy. i mean, the person here said, two here continued and said, oh, two mormon missionaries had a problem with me and they were staying soho that made staying in soho and that made him person smile. it's him that person smile. it's like, one, prefer like, well, one, they prefer church jesus christ of latter church of jesus christ of latter day saints. anyway, it day saints. but anyway, it suggests it's an suggests a set of it's an ideology meeting you at

ideology we're meeting you at the with an ideology and the border with an ideology and a very strange. will a warning. very strange. will they to wear sort of they be allowed to wear sort of like images of, i don't know, they be allowed to wear sort of like guevara jf, i don't know, they be allowed to wear sort of like guevara ori don't know, they be allowed to wear sort of like guevara or somethingw, they be allowed to wear sort of like guevara or something or che guevara or something or probably that one. you picked a bad example because , yes, they bad example because, yes, they would allowed that probably, bad example because, yes, they wouthey allowed that probably, bad example because, yes, they wouthey allowed be|t probably, bad example because, yes, they wouthey allowed be allowed ly, but they wouldn't be allowed something a cross. something else like a cross. that's a good question, actually. they a actually. could they have a cross? actually. could they have a croscould have something >> could they have something that of that promotes a sort of ideological do ideological worldview? i do wonder sort stuff, wonder with this sort of stuff, when pride flag, when it comes to the pride flag, i lot of people don't i think a lot of people don't understand what it means. you know, pride flag was know, the old pride flag was a rainbow which all rainbow flag, which was all about and inclusion about unity and inclusion and all it. the new all the rest of it. the new progress which has progress pride flag, which has black stripes, brown stripes, blue pink red blue stripes, pink stripes, red circles people, all circles for intersex people, all this lot gay people this stuff. a lot of gay people hate they consider this hate this and they consider this to be quite anti—gay. a lot of women it to be quite women consider it to be quite misogynistic. so much a misogynistic. so much so it's a bit of minefield, right? yeah. bit of a minefield, right? yeah. so maybe maybe they think so maybe maybe they should think more go more about it before they go through with it. >> no, but andrew, they're right. the right. and their views are the only ones. only moral ones. >> correct? yeah, >> was that correct? yeah, i forgot about that. >> key. >> yeah, that's key. >> yeah, that's key. >> it's important that we >> yeah, it's important that we remember that. okay, we're going to now the i the to move on now to the i the i news. the. i has story

news. what the. i has a story about it's also about hostages. it's also talking about reeves ruling out further tax rises. have you got this one, victor ? yes this is this one, victor? yes this is labour rules out announcing any more tax rises before next election . election. >> yeah, you called it reeves any tax, further tax rises? >> well, that's a good thing, isn't it? i think it is a good thing, but only problem is, does it matter because you're going to freeze on taxes , but to freeze on taxes, but everything else is going up. >> . so it's what does >> yes. so it's like, what does it matter anymore? >> it's also i mean, this kind of gesture will obviously be a vote winner. i guess that's what they're trying there. but they're trying to do there. but do they need a vote winner? i mean, nick, mean, at this point, nick, they've matter they've been getting no matter what they said. >> well, they would struggle to get wouldn't get them any higher, wouldn't they? i mean, much they? i mean, i mean, how much higher really go? so higher could they really go? so it's great news. it's not it's not great news. yeah, not that yeah, it's a sort of not that it's massive story is it? it's not a massive story is it? i mean, they're going to use this vat revenue from private schools, a bad policy. this vat revenue from private sch(yeah, a bad policy. this vat revenue from private sch(yeah, be a bad policy. this vat revenue from private sch(yeah, be a itoi policy. this vat revenue from private sch(yeah, be a ito sunak,. but yeah, to be fair to sunak, he said i mean, it's he has said i mean, it's obviously it's terrible how high taxes, out taxes, but he's pointing out that the key

that inflation is the key because that's the real tax rise by inflation in real by halving inflation in real terms, have money. by halving inflation in real ten i 5, have money. by halving inflation in real terrl mean, have money. by halving inflation in real terrl mean, moste money. by halving inflation in real terrl mean, most of money. by halving inflation in real terrl mean, most of the money. by halving inflation in real terrl mean, most of the morey. >> i mean, most of the more interesting stories been interesting stories has been from party from the conservative party conference week that was conference this week that was just generator. >> all labour do >> yeah, all labour have to do is any massive is not make any massive mistakes. that's it. >> all have to do. so. >> so we will nothing. that's >> so we will do nothing. that's basically they're trying basically what they're trying to say. could take the say. well they could take the biden just hide in a biden approach, just hide in a basement campaign basement for the whole campaign and win they and they'll probably win if they do very much. and they'll probably win if they do yeah.ery much. and they'll probably win if they do yeah. okay. jch. and they'll probably win if they do yeah. okay. well, we're going >> yeah. okay. well, we're going to move on the next front to move on now to the next front coven to move on now to the next front cover. this oh, the cover. what's this one? oh, the daily victor, this makes daily star. victor, this makes me this story. daily star. victor, this makes me bad. this story. daily star. victor, this makes me bad. hello?1is story. daily star. victor, this makes me bad. hello? hello?/. daily star. victor, this makes me bad. hello? hello? the >> it's bad. hello? hello? the bedbugs. i mean. >> just because the >> yeah, just because the headune >> yeah, just because the headline terrible. headline is terrible. that's what we say this what upsets me. we will say this only goodness sake. only once, for goodness sake. >> basically they're saying >> but basically they're saying that french sending not that the french are sending not sending saying sending over, but they're saying that are coming that a lot of bedbugs are coming over france. and they've over from france. and they've even found bedbugs even found some bedbugs from france underground. france on london underground. >> happened? so france on london underground. >mean, happened? so france on london underground. >mean, it happened? so france on london underground. >mean, it is happened? so france on london underground. >mean, it is a happened? so france on london underground. >mean, it is a seriousappened? so france on london underground. >mean, it is a serious pointed? so france on london underground. >mean, it is a serious point in? so i mean, it is a serious point in a way. is that in paris, they're having this massive explosion of bedbugs and they're having a serious problem with this infestation. but they're talking now how it's going to come now about how it's going to come over to the uk. do do bedbugs swim? how would they

swim? how do they how would they achieve , come on. achieve this eurostar, come on. they bought a kit and then they just get on board. they're smarter we thought. i mean, smarter than we thought. i mean, bedbugs, grim. bedbugs, it is properly grim. those creatures , but shocking. >> i just looked and thought, it's just another decline of london. britain. london. decline of britain. sorry like bedbugs on the tube, you that people you know, suggests that people are sleeping there. maybe you know, suggests that people are sbutiing there. maybe you know, suggests that people are 5 but they're re. maybe you know, suggests that people are sbut they're notviaybe you know, suggests that people are 5 but they're not just e they are, but they're not just bedbugs, they're mutant. bedbugs, a&e. they're mutant. super sorry. it super bedbugs. i'm sorry. yes it says mutant. says clearly here. mutant. super bedbugs. says clearly here. mutant. super bedbugs . and that. what bedbugs. and i doubt that. what does mean? i doubt that's does that mean? i doubt that's hyperbole star. hyperbole from the star. no, they technical that's hyperbole from the star. no, tttechnical technical that's hyperbole from the star. no, tttechnical description. l that's hyperbole from the star. no, tttechnical description. andat's a technical description. and they of all they come from france, of all places , as if they haven't done enough. >> it's the only acceptable form of isn't it? of xenophobia, isn't it? >> is. i'm utilising it. >> it is. and i'm utilising it. yeah >>i yeah >> i think it's a bit of bang out of order france because, out of order on france because, i mean, you been to london i mean, have you been to london underground in amount mice? underground in amount of mice? there's london than there's more mice in london than there is people. >> so we can't say we're some wonderful, clean country. >> so we can't say we're some wor exactly. clean country. >> so we can't say we're some worexactly. the1 country.will >> exactly. the bedbugs will make things better. anything. make things better. if anything. just more diversity. >> mice are >> yeah, but the mice are citizens that's citizens of this country. that's the they paid the key difference. they paid their . their mice taxes. >> british mice. have >> british mice. you have to conclude into the conclude the bedbugs into the lgbt flag. that's what they probably will. don't give them

ideas. absolutely ideas. they absolutely might. okay, the okay, well, look, that's the front covered. do join front pages covered. but do join us part two for criticism of us in part two for criticism of the bbc. starmer planning to scrap rishi's plans and the dangers of relying on it. see you in a moment

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comedians. victor daniels and nick dixon. we're to going kick off section with daily off this section with the daily mail, secretary not mail, the home secretary is not her words about what's going to happen to hamas supporters. victor, you've got this. yep >> she's not mucking about. suella braverman warns full force the law will be used force of the law will be used against support the against those who support the hamas and intimidate jews in britain. as the met police steps up patrols in london after israel attacks. wow >> well, it's been pretty grim. i mean, some of the footage of sort of people celebrating these terrorist activities on the streets of london, that kind of thing. just it's just thing. like it's just it's just gross. it's just so unpleasant that it's celebrating. >> but there voicing their >> but but there voicing their concerns attacking palestine. >> that's not what it looks like, though, is it? >> it can look. it can look however once looked. however it once looked. but that's happening because however it once looked. but that' they happening because however it once looked. but that' they supportiening because however it once looked. but that' they support their; because however it once looked. but that' they support their country.) they they support their country. i'm not. >> yeah, but the point i mean, the know, the the point is, you know, the image celebrating , it's just image of celebrating, it's just not surely, to not appropriate, surely, to be celebrating when is citizens celebrating when it is citizens being paraded , tortured, abused. being paraded, tortured, abused. you what mean? it's just you know what i mean? it's just it's just not whichever political aspect you take on

this, there surely has to be some level of just restraint, just as a matter of human decency, right? yeah >> someone on sky news said they were full of joy, of were really full of joy, full of pride happened. you pride at what has happened. you see, ask palestinians pride at what has happened. you seethe ask palestinians pride at what has happened. you seethe street ask palestinians pride at what has happened. you seethe street or|sk palestinians pride at what has happened. you seethe street or somelestinians on the street or some anyway, about the attacks. so it's pretty shocking. and suella had a saying a lot of criticism for saying multiculturalism has failed very recently is surely recently. but this is surely what meant, that the what she meant, that the downside multiculturalism what she meant, that the downshave multiculturalism what she meant, that the downs have people ulturalism what she meant, that the downs have people ultur. don't if you have people who don't feel haven't assimilate feel british haven't assimilate or integrated they obviously or integrated and they obviously feel because the feel palestinian because the only who probably feel only people who probably feel british who feel this way are left we've left wing intellectuals. we've noticed, and since this has happened. know , why else happened. so, you know, why else can you say? but even if you if you only feel palestinian, you can still you're still a human being with basic human empathy . being with basic human empathy. >> right. you know, i mean, i don't see why that goes out. the window. >> i do agree with you. but i think what they're saying is that israel attacks palestine. so do something that israel attacks palestine. so there, do something that israel attacks palestine. so there, they do something that israel attacks palestine. so there, they see) something that israel attacks palestine. so there, they see it.omething that israel attacks palestine. so there, they see it. inething that israel attacks palestine. so there, they see it. i knomg back there, they see it. i know it's bad, they're seeing it it's bad, but they're seeing it as of to celebrate. and as a form of to celebrate. and also protest. >> well, then this comes into the what be

the question of what should be permitted of permitted in terms of expression, right? because this sort going on the sort of stuff going on on the streets. but all know is i streets. but all i know is i look at that and i just think it's so deeply it's so it's so deeply unpleasant. i i sort of don't know to i can't get know what to again, i can't get into mindset. i agree with into the mindset. i agree with you again. >> but think the key issue is >> but i think the key issue is how america how can britain and america stop israel and palestine from fighting? won't israel and palestine from fig any]? won't israel and palestine from fig any of won't israel and palestine from fig any of this? won't be any of this? >> that is a massive issue >> well, that is a massive issue thatis >> well, that is a massive issue that is huge. well, we're that is huge. okay. well, we're going to on the going to move to on the telegraph. is story telegraph. this is a story about the importance language. nick the importance of language. nick i got this. i think you've got this. >> pressure to rip up >> yeah. bbc pressure to rip up style guide for refusing to call hamas fighters terrorists. so a lot noticed this. they lot of people noticed this. they noficed lot of people noticed this. they noticed using like noticed the bbc using words like gunman and militants and people thought, you know, especially lots bbc refusing to say the bbc refusing to say terrorists what seems like terrorists for what seems like an ostensible terror attack? horrific videos we've horrific images and videos we've seen and the answer is it seen on x? and the answer is it comes the bbc style comes down to the bbc style guide, do that, guide, where they do that, right? they don't want to right? so they don't want to call them terrorists. and presumably a concern presumably because of a concern about doubt. about impartiality, no doubt. and hard. and obviously it's hard. but this clear example, i would this is a clear example, i would say, going wrong. and say, of that going wrong. and it's not by way, it's say, of that going wrong. and it's ast by way, it's say, of that going wrong. and it's as if by way, it's say, of that going wrong. and it's as if palestinians vay, it's say, of that going wrong. and it's as if palestinians as, it's say, of that going wrong. and it's as if palestinians as alls say, of that going wrong. and it's as if palestinians as all of not as if palestinians as all of hamas, it's not as if. so it's

not as if it's the bbc trying to be impartial, but they're too going far because it's reasonable to use the word terrorist for hamas. it reminds me of the me a little bit of when the washington called al washington post called al baghdadi religious baghdadi an austere religious scholar. not scholar. that's right. it's not quite as that, but quite as absurd as that, but it's in that ballpark of language tries tone down language that tries to tone down things be things that really shouldn't be toned down. >> know, back day >> you know, back in the day when the ira active, if my when the ira were active, if my memory me, bbc did memory serves me, the bbc did describe them terrorists at describe them as terrorists at that they? i don't know. >> that would be an interesting question because similar mean, question because similar i mean, in you know, hamas is question because similar i mean, inproscribed you know, hamas is question because similar i mean, inproscribed terroristw, hamas is question because similar i mean, inproscribed terrorist group.ias is a proscribed terrorist group. >> it's not just about about >> so it's not just about about the language that's the delicacy of language that's a fact. so that's just in terms of accurate reporting , surely of accurate reporting, surely they should be described as terrorists . yes. terrorists. yes. >> but to bbc, i think they've got a lot on their plate right now. so they just don't want to go into that world of terrorists. they just look, let's be impartial on everything. >> i would say they definitely have their plate. but have a lot on their plate. but on hand, they're being on the other hand, they're being condemned, they're being criticised sorts of criticised by all sorts of people you people on this. you know, getting you would

people on this. you know, gettirthought you would people on this. you know, gettirthought was you would people on this. you know, gettirthought was was would people on this. you know, gettirthought was was important have thought was was important anyway we're to on anyway, we're going to move on to next story . oh, victor, to this next story. oh, victor, i this is the express keir i think this is the express keir starmer want to take starmer doesn't want to take credit else's work. credit for someone else's work. yeah, starmer, said. >> keir starmer announces he will plans as will scrap rwandan plans as prime minister, even if it's working . working. >> but that's the key thing, isn't if it's working, isn't it? even if it's working, he of it. he will get rid of it. >> how can it be working? so some catch me if i'm wrong. yeah. someone comes into the uk illegally? going yeah. someone comes into the uk illwsendi? going yeah. someone comes into the uk illwsend them going yeah. someone comes into the uk illwsend them to going yeah. someone comes into the uk illwsend them to rwanda? going to send them to rwanda? >> apparently plane. >> apparently on a plane. >> apparently on a plane. >> could that ever be >> how could that ever be working? >> how could that ever be worwell, i mean, they're trying >> well, i mean, they're trying to find some way to deal with the migration issue. says the migration issue. labour says it's got the magic formula. you know, labour said that they will it's got the magic formula. you know,this. nur said that they will it's got the magic formula. you know, this. well, d that they will it's got the magic formula. you know,this. well, i'veat they will it's got the magic formula. you know,this. well, i've gotley will it's got the magic formula. you know,this. well, i've got av will solve this. well, i've got a reverse question then. >> somebody to >> okay, so somebody goes to rwanda illegally? yes. can we send to croydon? send them to croydon? >> wish on >> i wouldn't wish that on anyone to be fair. nick, what do you think about that ? i mean, you think about that? i mean, laboun you think about that? i mean, labour, they claim that way labour, they claim that the way to this to deal with to tackle this is to deal with the criminal gangs. you know, you stifle the criminal gangs the criminal gangs. you know, you then the criminal gangs the criminal gangs. you know, you then the crimiwithjangs the criminal gangs. you know, you then the crimiwith the|s and then you deal with the situation know, it is situation and you know, it is absolutely all the absolutely true for all the flack the tories flack that the tories are getting trying deal getting about trying to deal

with sake of the with this for the sake of the people on the boats, you need to deal it because it's deal with it because it's incredibly die incredibly dangerous. people die as they cross. they're being exploited so exploited by gangsters. so is laboun exploited by gangsters. so is labour, they the labour, right? do they have the magic deal with this? magic formula to deal with this? >> say when >> well, easy to say that when you're isn't you're not in government, isn't it? what happened here was victoria asking victoria derbyshire was asking him if it's him the question if it's working, not working, would you still not support he was like, support it? and he was like, correct. was she correct. and the reason was she was the numbers was saying, what if the numbers are but his argument was saying, what if the numbers are it's but his argument was saying, what if the numbers are it's a but his argument was saying, what if the numbers are it's a tiny but his argument was saying, what if the numbers are it's a tiny number argument was saying, what if the numbers are it's a tiny number ofgument was it's a tiny number of individuals who go to individuals who will go to rwanda. he's saying even if rwanda. so he's saying even if the in decline, the numbers are in decline, it wouldn't enough decline wouldn't be enough of a decline . you've tackle the . you've got to tackle it at the source. and he's basically source. and then he's basically saying doesn't in the saying he doesn't believe in the policy. she asked it, policy. so the way she asked it, he essentially refused the premise question. is premise of the question. she is saying even if there was a great success, everyone could see the numbers it was numbers were going down, it was working, he's working, you'd still scrap. he's like, yes, i would, because he doesn't believe will doesn't believe it will ever work degree. work to a sufficient degree. >> this is one of those >> but this is one of those issues parties, issues that both parties, both major say they to major parties say they have to resolve aware that resolve and they're aware that this to this is really important to the electorate. poll poll this is really important to the ele(that.e. poll poll this is really important to the ele(that everyone ll poll this is really important to the ele(that everyone is poll this is really important to the ele(that everyone is concerned say that everyone is concerned sending them to rwanda is not even an option. >> it doesn't sense. >> it doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't make sense. >> they think it

>> well, i mean, they think it makes sense. i don't think it particularly makes sense either. >> to stick up for >> i think just to stick up for the gives britain the rwandans, who gives britain the rwandans, who gives britain the people to rwanda? >> well, the rwandan >> well, i think the rwandan government is quite keen on this. >> i'm sure the government are give them a of but give them a bit of money, but what about people? have the what about the people? have the people voted this in? no, they haven't. people voted this in? no, they havwell, no, i'm not sure what >> well, no, i'm not sure what the themselves are. the people themselves are. i think the people themselves who are traffickers to are paying traffickers to come over want be are paying traffickers to come over yeah want be are paying traffickers to come over yeahi want be are paying traffickers to come over yeah i mean want be are paying traffickers to come over yeah i mean that's. nt be are paying traffickers to come over yeah i mean that's. but. be here. yeah i mean that's. but. but illegal. that's but it's illegal. yeah, that's illegal. >> so tackle that. but don't send rwanda. >> so tackle that. but don't send okay. rwanda. >> so tackle that. but don't send okay. rwarwe'll what >> no. okay. well we'll see what happens labour sort of happens when labour sort of i think at this point think inevitably at this point get in and see they can solve get in and see if they can solve this issue as they claim. we're going express. going to stick with the express. this inspiring story for this is an inspiring story for anyone erase their anyone who wants to erase their mistakes the digital age. mistakes in the digital age. >> would nice. yeah the >> that would be nice. yeah the express ignore tory express say ignore it. tory defends starmer defends keir starmer over terrifying him terrifying fake video of him swearing not swearing at staff. it's not terrifying. word terrifying. ridiculous word there. talking about there. they're talking about sir simon clarke, who said you should ignore this because it's a you don't know a deep fake if you don't know what video is. been what the video is. it's been massive today. massive on the today. >> can't it. >> we can't play it. >> we can't play it. >> we can't play it. >> we play it because we >> we can't play it because we go out of 5 am. but it's starmer saying that tablet f sake told you didn't sake i literally told you didn't i. f sake etcetera. he says

i. f sake etcetera. and he says a of things that we a lot of things like that and we know can't be starmer because know it can't be starmer because he's opinion. he's expressing a clear opinion. yes. so that's how we know yes. and so that's how we know it's him. and a degree of it's not him. and a degree of emotion. that's emotion. exactly. and that's probably why sir simon clarke wants cause he wants to tone it down, cause he doesn't people to think doesn't want people to think that suddenly got passionate. >> well, it's kind important >> well, it's kind of important as that tories step as well that the tories step up and doni as well that the tories step up and don't listen deep and say, don't listen to deep fakes, course this fakes, because of course this could to them just as could be applied to them just as easily. could get a easily. you could easily get a deepfake listen to deepfake of anyone i listen to the record. does. mean, the record. it does. i mean, scary. it sounds accurate. scary. it sounds very accurate. have it have you heard it? because it sounds it's more sounds like starmer. it's more scary anything because scary than anything because are you me that this we've you telling me that this we've got technology can got technology now that can mimic voice? got technology now that can miryes. voice? got technology now that can miryes. and)ice?that i've got >> yes. and say that i've got three wives and i get blamed for having three wives and i get blamed for havllg three wives and i get blamed for havi mean, and you're saying >> i mean, and you're saying that now because recording that now because that recording has yes. has gone out. yes. >> want it known >> and you want it known that you and don't want you have four and you don't want people you're reduced people to think you're reduced your wife. >> that's other problem, >> that's the other problem, isn't things are isn't it, that when things are authentic, they can claim it's deepfake. so, you know, that's the could have >> i mean, trump could have used that in with the that back in the day with the locker talk. he have locker room talk. he could have said, folks, know, locker room talk. he could have s mean, folks, know, locker room talk. he could have smean, got folks, know, locker room talk. he could have s mean, got outolks, know, locker room talk. he could have s mean, got out of:s, know, locker room talk. he could have s mean, got out of the know, locker room talk. he could have s mean, got out of the wholew, thing. >> well, exactly. i think i do

find this quite quite. we need to this technology will to destroy this technology will destroy i'm with on that destroy it. i'm with you on that terminator. to the terminator. yes. go to the source. absolutely. absolutely take source. absolutely. absolutely takyes, skynet. that's what it is. >> no, what else is concern me, though, people like though, a number of people like sophy tom tugendhat though, a number of people like sophy politicianstugendhat though, a number of people like sophy politicians haveidhat and various politicians have said a threat to said that it's a threat to democracy and that always scares me that me when they start using that kind because usually me when they start using that kind means because usually me when they start using that kind means they're ecause usually me when they start using that kind means they're about usually me when they start using that kind means they're about to sually that means they're about to say that means they're about to say that should shut down that gb news should be shut down and all stop eating and we should all stop eating meat. you know what mean? when meat. you know what i mean? when they threat to they start saying threat to democracy, it is essentially actually a threat to the >> well, it's a threat to the human is. but you know, human race. it is. but you know, listening to that and hearing what will they do? >> but on the other hand, even if that real, it actually if that were real, it actually wouldn't bother me if keir starmer caught off starmer was caught in an off camera swearing. so what camera moment swearing. so what you're telling me the other politicians they politicians don't swear. they turn we swear turn the air blue. we swear as soon as camera oh, soon as the camera stops. oh, mean foul mouth. yeah. you are so would it that bad anyway? >> no, it would prefer >> no, it would make me prefer starmer he starmer and think that he actually has some standards and wants he's wants to get things done. he's like, messing with my like, you're messing with my ipad. i've you many ipad. i've told you so many times. competence. times. i want competence. >> what about? >> is that what it's about? >> is that what it's about? >> it's about idea. it's >> it's about an idea. it's about yeah. about an ipad. yeah. >> so message to starmer

>> so the message to starmer is just you and you'll just say it was you and you'll get more votes. just say it was you and you'll get i nore votes. just say it was you and you'll get i nore vthat's probably just say it was you and you'll get i nyeah,hat's probably just say it was you and you'll get i n yeah, absolutely. )ly just say it was you and you'll getinyeah, absolutely. it right. yeah, absolutely. it makes more interesting. makes it more interesting. certainly okay. monday's guardian certainly okay. monday's guard students coventry three students in coventry because computer because a computer said no. >> glitch has left us >> yeah. it glitch has left us facing from facing deportation from uk claimed basically facing deportation from uk claimnstudents basically facing deportation from uk claimnstudents tried basically facing deportation from uk claimnstudents tried b hand ly these students tried to hand in their are international >> these are international students >> these are international stuwlnternational >> these are international stuw international students? >> these are international stuwlnternational students? yeah. >> international students? yeah. trying their work. trying to hand in their work. but because a glitch, it they but because of a glitch, it they missed and if missed a deadline. and now if they the uk to catch up, they stay in the uk to catch up, yeah, they will be deported . so yeah, they will be deported. so they've got a dilemma right . but they've got a dilemma right. but my question is , how is it they my question is, how is it they can afford £17,000 a year? well it's 17,000 a year for international. >> this is why uk universities have so many international students . they pay so much more. students. they pay so much more. but they don't get no student loan or anything like that. so they've be rich . they've just got to be rich. >> so question is, who >> so the question is, who is the country? britain the third world country? britain or these other countries? because kids from london can because no kids from london can be afforded no £17,000. >> i would say they definitely can't. this looks like just a glitch the computer. can't glitch with the computer. can't you just fix it? can't someone just fix it? >> well, no, because they now

elapsed visa because elapsed their their visa because it put them their visa it put them over their visa time. they can't they're time. so now they can't they're due deported because they due to be deported because they can't get their degree in time. they can only apply for a graduate degree, but they can't get their graduate degree because get their graduate degree becausnbecause glitch. so degree because of the glitch. so they're in a catch 22. they're in situation . in an impossible situation. >> resolve. just >> it's easy to resolve. just go back about palestine. it's pakistan. think >> it's pakistan. i think pakistan. sorry. >> and just work from home because did exam because they did the exam working from home anyway. >> seems the >> well, that seems to be the way going. way things are going. >> the british >> yeah, but then the british universities get their universities wouldn't get their money say, money because, as you say, i mean, the guardian has found that harsh example here that a very harsh example here is very unfortunate. but in general, university thing is very unfortunate. but in ge a eral, university thing is very unfortunate. but in gea bit, university thing is very unfortunate. but in gea bit, scam, rsity thing is very unfortunate. but in gea bit, scam,rsity it?1g is very unfortunate. but in gea bit, scam, rsity it? so is a bit of a scam, isn't it? so many coming in, they many people coming in, they have family in and they do family that come in and they do some is not some dodgy degree. this is not one, good this one, this is a good one. this is structural engineering. but there of one of there is a bit of this is one of there is a bit of this is one of the proper degrees, proper degree. i allow. yes that's my new degrees. new job. stamping degrees. >> that. new job. stamping degrees. >> dixon that. new job. stamping degrees. >> dixon approved that. new job. stamping degrees. >> dixon approved degrees t. new job. stamping degrees. >> dixon approved degrees .. new job. stamping degrees. >> dixon approved degrees . not nick dixon approved degrees. not these mickey degrees like these mickey mouse degrees like drama although only drama, although it is only university of coventry. >> can calm down. >> so we can all calm down. >> so we can all calm down. >> well, and >> yeah, well, swings and roundabouts, isn't it? well, we're move now that we're going to move on now that is two. do is the end of part two. but do come for part three. we're

come back for part three. we're going to discussing water going to be discussing water security, oil security, editing the bible, oil and relief . don't and unusual pain relief. don't go

you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to headliners . >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at monday's newspapers . we're getting newspapers. we're getting straight into it with monday's independent. and nick, what is anneliese dodds up to ? anneliese dodds up to? >> well, she said that labour would introduce no loopholes ban on conversion therapy , and it's on conversion therapy, and it's one of these euphemistic terms where you go, oh, that sounds

fine, course you fine, but then of course you look it's trans look into it. it's a trans inclusive conversion inclusive ban on conversion therapy, basically means therapy, which basically means you won't able to guide a kid you won't be able to guide a kid anymore sure anymore and say, are you sure this great idea ? they this is a great idea? they call that now. that conversion therapy now. so this children risk if this puts children at risk if you rid of that idea. so a you get rid of that idea. so a very worrying development , the very worrying development, the kind going to kind of thing that's going to happen kind of thing that's going to hapreople should be worried why people should be worried about them, people saying it can't worse tories. can't be worse than the tories. it absolutely can. the other thing says, people thing is, she says, people responsible hate responsible for anti lgbt+ hate crime receive the crime would also receive the tougher sentences deserve, crime would also receive the toughtcouldtences deserve, crime would also receive the toughtcould mean, deserve, crime would also receive the toughtcould mean, let'sdeserve, crime would also receive the toughtcould mean, let's faceve, crime would also receive the toughtcould mean, let's face it,. which could mean, let's face it, a rude tweet or something , which could mean, let's face it, a rude tweet or something, and then suddenly you'll be cracked down . down on by labour. >> you do? you >> yeah. what do you do? you have this, victor? >> yeah. well i mean, if this comes in, i can see a lot of african priests are going to be out of work. >> it is worry. it is a worry. >> it is a worry. it is a worry. >> it is a worry. it is a worry. >> some ways i'm >> but i'm in, in some ways i'm with buti >> but i'm in, in some ways i'm with but i think you're with it. but i think if you're allowed to encourage. yes, then you should be allowed to discourage. yes one thing. yeah. and the other thing is, if people want to say they want to identify as a woman, a bear, a flying eagle, whatever, you need to go all the way with the

operations . now, i want a full operations. now, i want a full be able to have operations to be like bear. be able to have operations to be like if bear. be able to have operations to be like if that's an eagle, if i'm >> if that's an eagle, if i'm talking you and you say talking to you and you say i identify a bear, yes, i want identify as a bear, yes, i want the full operation. >> if identify as a >> even if you identify as a woman, to full, woman, you have to be a full, very rigorous standards . very rigorous standards. >> enough. >> victor, enough's enough. >> victor, enough's enough. >> i'm talking to i'm >> i'm. i'm talking to i'm talking to a man who's dressed as and saying as a woman and he's saying i should sheila, he's should call him sheila, but he's got no, you need to got a beard. no, you need to have full operation. this is have the full operation. this is if bear. if you're a bear. >> actually, cash , salmon. >> actually, cash, salmon. and with mouth and attack with your mouth and attack people in the woods. yes >> this is something that graham linehan has talked about because he a lesbian dating site he went on a lesbian dating site and didn't change anything about his to make the point his appearance to make the point that this lesbian . how did he that this lesbian. how did he do? he pretty well he do? yeah, he did pretty well. he pulled he was quite happy with do? yeah, he did pretty well. he pu but he was quite happy with do? yeah, he did pretty well. he pu but he ihe quite happy with do? yeah, he did pretty well. he pu but he ihe was:e happy with do? yeah, he did pretty well. he pu but he ihe was making with it. but but he was making exactly point. there are exactly that point. there are people and lesbians people with beards and lesbians don't like men really don't like men that really shouldn't be controversial, shouldn't be controversial, should it? >> i know it shouldn't. and doddie weir says, i know it's been a difficult year for many lgbt people rising hate lgbt plus people rising hate crime . i lgbt plus people rising hate crime. i mean, has it lgbt plus people rising hate crime . i mean, has it really? crime. i mean, has it really? no, really. it seems they

no, not really. it seems they dominate the entire culture. it's crime it's the way that hate crime statistics . statistics are reported. >> elevates >> it's actually it elevates every year because it has to. right. because it's all about perception. anyone who says i perception. so anyone who says i perceive thing perceive that this thing happened because it was happened because of it was motivated homophobia , they motivated by homophobia, they add the stats actually add it to the stats and actually , crime has , in real terms, hate crime has continually been going down for many, years . yeah. so this many, many years. yeah. so this sort but is sort of stuff. but this is interesting about conversion therapy gay therapy because we think of gay conversion they conversion therapy as what they used in the 60s where used to do back in the 60s where they plugged gay up to they plugged gay men up to electrodes, of electrodes, cruel forms of torture. yeah, but that's not what's going on here. they're now about conversion now talking about conversion therapy trans conversion therapy for trans conversion therapy. a therapist therapy. that's just a therapist saying kid , maybe there's therapy. that's just a therapist sayingissues> but it to talking able to do whatever they want. >>children, it to talking able to do whatever they want. >>children, talking to talking to children, talking to children, are children, you know, children are not where they can not at the stage where they can make they don't make those kind of they don't care as i can see. but care as far as i can see. but i mean, hope you're wrong, nick,

mean, i hope you're wrong, nick, that labour make things that labour won't make things worse. going to be so worse. but it's going to be so much and everyone's going much worse and everyone's going to thought it to be like, oh, we thought it could be worse. >> it's to so and >> it's going to be so bad. and then going then farage is going to come through win, right? through and win, is that right? >> remember, all of >> but remember, nick, all of the ideology, the gender identity, ideology, madness has come in under under the tories that is true. >> just that going to >> it's just that it's going to get great. i know it get even worse. great. i know it seems impossible . seems impossible. >> shot and then >> set up the shot and then starmer yeah. a starmer scores. yeah. to use a football analogy, which i never do. you nailed. i don't understand sport. okay, do. you nailed. i don't undergoing sport. okay, do. you nailed. i don't undergoing to sport. okay, do. you nailed. i don't undergoing to move. okay, do. you nailed. i don't undergoing to move. oinow to we're going to move on now to mondays. . and this is mondays. i victor. and this is another issue that is dividing the british public into two halves because we don't have enough . i think it's enough of that. i think it's a nonsense story. >> anyway, there we go. half >> but anyway, there we go. half of think of british public think the government provide government is failing to provide access safe drinking water. access to safe drinking water. >> do they ? >> do they? >> do they? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> i've never heard anyone talk about this issue. is it really the case that this is a hot button topic? >> i mean, i can't speak for croydon, but britain's not a third world country. there is enough country. enough water in this country. i'm , this a weird i'm sorry, this is just a weird i've never had the issue of turning a tap and water not

emerging. >> never. no this does seem a weird one. as someone just made this up. nick. >> well, this very strange. >> well, this is very strange. 70% surveyed answered 70% of those surveyed answered that the was either currently that the uk was either currently experiencing drought or was at risk over the next risk of drought over the next year. idea that we're year. the idea that we're in drought, they're obviously don't live tell live in the lakes. i can tell you that where i'm from, yeah, i mean, look, we could be in future because terrible future because of just terrible mismanagement is mismanagement of resources is that's definitely possible. and the is being the water companies is being terrible going terrible and population going up. but what they're saying is climate population up. but what they're saying is climaiup, population up. but what they're saying is climaiup, combined population up. but what they're saying is climaiup, combined with opulation up. but what they're saying is climaiup, combined with climaten going up, combined with climate problems means we're going to have can definitely have no water. i can definitely see don't have see a future where we don't have like as much water. we have limited in the house limited water in the house probably population , mismanagement, population, probably more than climate. yeah, they're talking a lot yeah, but they're talking a lot about which climate about the way in which climate change might to water change might lead to water shortages in future years. >> what they're >> that's what they're saying here. scaremongering. here. this is scaremongering. well, my well, maybe. well, exactly my point know that point is, people don't know that this just something that this is just something that we're being now. 48% we're being told now. yeah. 48% think the government is not fulfilling responsibility. think the government is not fulfillin i responsibility. think the government is not fulfillin i don'tsponsibility. think the government is not fulfillin i don't think bility. think the government is not fulfillin i don't think bility know luckily, i don't think they know or one cares. also the or care. no one cares. also the idea that people are worried about that's simply about this, that's just simply saying working

i >> -- >> you know, we spend all day scaring people about climate and lo behold, scared . lo and behold, they are scared. so it's kind of a successful nudge story. nudge unit story. >> see the >> i would like to see the actual questions polling >> i would like to see the actual qimaybe; polling >> i would like to see the actual qimaybe that's polling >> i would like to see the actual qimaybe that's pwayg because maybe that's the way they're it. that's what they're doing it. that's what i'm saying. know by i'm saying. did you know that by this going to in this year we're going to be in this year we're going to be in this are you worried this year we're going to be in this that? are you worried this year we're going to be in this that? well,e you worried this year we're going to be in this that? well,e you when 5d about that? well, yes. when you put it like that, i'm worried about 1267 people about it. and only 1267 people were ask the same >> i mean, if you ask the same 1267 people, is darth vader's coming? and they say, yes. does 1267 people, is darth vader's cominow and they say, yes. does 1267 people, is darth vader's cominow meaniey say, yes. does 1267 people, is darth vader's cominow mean thatay, yes. does 1267 people, is darth vader's cominow mean that darth s. does 1267 people, is darth vader's cominow mean that darth vader that now mean that darth vader is nonsense . is coming? it's nonsense. >> is absolute nonsense. but >> it is absolute nonsense. but i'm we've covered i'm glad we've covered it. anyway, a story now anyway, we've got a story now about remakes the daily star about remakes in the daily star . nick, but it's not one that you're going to be happy about. i should imagine. >> this is shocking. china >> this is shocking. so china has rewritten the bible to reject grip reject the west and tighten grip on the country. so it's insane stuff. i'll give you a few examples here. >> yes, please do. >> yes, please do. >> the best one here actually comes from the, uh. well, they've changed. thou shalt have no other gods before me. yes, right. resolutely guard right. to resolutely guard against the infiltration of western ideology. i mean, that's. that's ridiculous. >> i think that's brilliant. i

think they should be congratulated, bleakly amusing. the that is very. the audacity of that is very. >> apparently, instead >> and apparently, instead of jesus , you know, he jesus saying, you know, let he who without the who is without sin cast the first stone, just stones the first stone, he just stones the adulterous . i adulterous woman to death. i mean, apparently it's almost beyond belief. but that's china for you. although we can't be that smug because we these that smug because we have these children's books. we have these programs rewrite programs trying to rewrite engush programs trying to rewrite english history, british history to be more politically correct and there was sorts of and claim there was all sorts of demographics weren't . demographics here that weren't. and roald dahl and we also changed roald dahl and, know, bond books and, you know, james bond books . and on a related not exactly the same note, we had a paivi rasanen in finland who has faced this lengthy trial for quoting the bible. yes. and has faced hate crime charges just for quoting the bible. so not quoting the bible. so we're not that china, although that far off china, although this particularly obscene, this is particularly obscene, at least with chinese revision least with the chinese revision of the bible. least with the chinese revision of iit's3ible. least with the chinese revision of iit's quite funny. i mean, it >> it's quite funny. i mean, it sounds like what a comedy writer would do. >> unintentionally >> it is so unintentionally funny it seems another funny that it seems like another chapter . chapter. >> it seems like king james is still he's moved to still alive and he's moved to china and just adding china and now he's just adding more to the bible. >> there different >> well, there are different

versions this versions out there, but this one, to is pretty one, i have to say, is pretty unlikely. jesus stoning someone . absolutely terrible. mean, we know >> i mean, look, we all know the chinese party are chinese communist party are pretty and pretty anti—christian and they've destroy they've done things like destroy megachurch and because megachurch. and because christianity , to be fair, christianity, to be fair, growing around the world. >> which country is pro—christian loads. >> massive in nigeria. it's >> it's massive in nigeria. it's loads of countries that are massive in terms of people in their but in terms of the government. >> oh, the government. there's not much government. not really much government. romania one. one. >> one. >> no , poland, not many. >> no, poland, not many. >> no, poland, not many. >> probably not the uk, >> hungary probably not the uk, no , no. so i mean, but you make no, no. so i mean, but you make a good point, though, about the way that we are. we've got this onnellian quality as well, the rewriting of books , rewriting rewriting of books, rewriting of history, the roald dahl ones were baffling to me. didn't they make one of the fat characters thin? have, you thin? and then they have, you know, witches wear those know, the witches wear those wigs it say something wigs and didn't it say something like, wigs is like, but women wearing wigs is absolutely nothing to absolutely fine and nothing to be of. they're supposed absolutely fine and nothing to be be of. they're supposed absolutely fine and nothing to be be changed. they're supposed to be changed. >> secretaries profession to be changed. >> she cretaries profession to be changed. >> she was ries profession to be changed. >> she was suddenly ssion to be changed. >> she was suddenly a on to be changed. >> she was suddenly a woman stem. she was suddenly a woman in the stem fields. that's right . yeah. >> but can you really compare that changing bible? >> but can you really compare tha well,1anging bible? >> but can you really compare tha well, you ing bible? >> but can you really compare tha well, you can bible? >> but can you really compare tha well, you can arible? >> but can you really compare tha well, you can a way,�*

>> well, you can in a way, because that because it's that same revisionist same revisionist idea. it's the same scale. not the same scale. scale. it's not the same scale. these are fictionary books. yeah, but yeah, but it's the idea that you have to modify everything past. so everything from the past. so that the that it's palatable to the present. involves a kind present. if it involves a kind of complete negation or misunderstood the idea misunderstood ending of the idea that things change over time, that's basic that's fine, which is the basic premise of history. i would have thought, difference is thought, yeah, the difference is in doing in west >> we're doing it in the west because ideology has because of woke ideology has taken over and it doesn't allow for anything they're doing for anything else. they're doing it because they're saying she is great must be great and everything must be about the same sort about g but it's the same sort of i mean, it's both it both comes an ideological position. >> all right. so the telegraph now sack . now teacher is facing the sack. victor we've had a number of stories like this. what's this one about specifically? >> oh, the teacher sacked by kofi school. >> it's a c of e school, c church of england, c, my bad school. >> after refusing to teach. wait for it extreme . um, lgbt lessons. >> you see, in my mind, it's probably very different to what they're describing. i think for it be extreme, it would have

it to be extreme, it would have to extreme . to be extreme. >> i'm thinking lgbt horror with 3d glasses. >> i'm thinking lgbt horror with 3d right?;. >> i'm thinking lgbt horror with 3d right? there that >> right? there we go. that would pretty extreme. would be pretty extreme. freddy krueger well , krueger goes gay. yeah, well, but this an interesting one but this is an interesting one because it is a religious school . because it is a religious school , the teacher has made , so and the teacher has made the believes the point that she believes homosexuality is sinful, although she said that although actually she said that she thinks that being gay is sinful, which is not the church's teaching, it's its activity that's just going back to the china story in the bible, it say that. it does say that. >> i think it does. i could be wrong . it says homosexuality is wrong. it says homosexuality is wrong. it says homosexuality is wrong. so if she's got a teacher and she going with the bible, then she's got a slight point. >> well, this is the thing, isn't it? we had this recent case. was it in. it's one of the scandinavian countries where an mp quote . i just mp posted a bible, quote. i just said, it's finland, it's prithvi rusline in finland. >> right. >> right. >> and ended up prosecuted >> and ended up being prosecuted a >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so what what's the difference? well, okay, so i suppose difference that suppose the difference is that you a school you would say that in a school environment it's important that the saying the teachers are not saying things that are attack children

, you know? so if a child is homosexual, if a child is of a certain race or whatever, that attacking that individual, particularly for children, is a is a problem. but it's really easy as a teacher to avoid that kind of thing. just don't talk about it . about it. >> you know that in this story, she's saying doesn't want to she's saying she doesn't want to do lessons. she's do lgbt lessons. she's not attacking , but she's saying, attacking lgb, but she's saying, i don't want to teach the lesson, extreme ones. i don't want to teach the les:well, extreme ones. i don't want to teach the les:well, eshe's e ones. i don't want to teach the les:well, eshe's saying >> well, yeah, but she's saying that being gay is sinful. >> didn't teach that. >> no. what do you think, nick? >> no. what do you think, nick? >> she trying >> well, she was trying to give some she said >> well, she was trying to give some sending she said >> well, she was trying to give some sending their she said >> well, she was trying to give some sending their kidse said >> well, she was trying to give some sending their kids to aid they're sending their kids to a christian school. they're getting other ideology, christian school. they're gettinrthey other ideology, christian school. they're gettinrthey other insigned�*, which they haven't signed up for. give for. and so she wanted to give another she another another angle. and she says that are male says that humans are born male and that part's and female. so that part's correct. but then she does say she it's outside. she says it's sex outside. marriage is a sin. so that incorporates swathes of the incorporates huge swathes of the heterosexual well. heterosexual population as well. it and it's a it does, yeah. and it's a theological term. it's a similar problem had problem that tim farron had people sin as people are using sin here as synonymous bad or evil. synonymous with bad or evil. yeah, really, yeah, but really, it's just a theological term that doesn't really outside of theological term that doesn't reallcontext outside of theological term that doesn't reallcontext . outside of theological term that doesn't reallcontext . right? outside of theological term that doesn't reallcontext . right? sotside of theological term that doesn't reallcontext . right? so that'snf that context. right? so that's how and that's how they try and get you. that's how they try and get you. that's how farron. really how they got tim farron. really what don't think what she's saying. i don't think it's when it's actually that bad. when you

look look at this. look at it. look, look at this. the teaching agency the teaching regulation agency said that what she said was contrary fundamental british contrary to fundamental british values. had to get values. and so they had to get rid of it, which lacked tolerance . well, then they were tolerance. well, then they were intolerant get rid intolerant and they get rid of it. those values come it. and also those values come from christianity, these alleged british come from british values come from christianity anyway. so i have british values come from ch point|ity anyway. so i have british values come from ch point that nyway. so i have british values come from ch point that nyway. well. 1ave to point that out as well. >> wouldn't just >> but wouldn't it be just better with children just to not invest ideological. invest any kind of ideological. >> getting >> well, they're getting it. they're getting they're going to be that be told in age 11 to 13 that their identity like pan their identity is like pan sexual, transgender, sexual, asexual, transgender, etcetera. they're going to etcetera. so they're going to get ideology school . it's get an ideology at school. it's just of which one. just a question of which one. >> , that's interesting. >> if you see see >> if you see if you see christianity as an ideology. i don't it's religion . don't exactly. it's a religion. but they're going to get some sort indoctrination beliefs. but they're going to get some sort icanctrination beliefs. but they're going to get some sort ican understandeliefs. but they're going to get some sort ican understand why. but they're going to get some sort ican understand why that's >> you can understand why that's comparable >> you can understand why that's comparas.e a set of insofar as there is a set of beliefs, indoctrination. >> pointed recently, indoctrination. >think pointed recently, indoctrination. >think it pointed recently, indoctrination. >think it was pointed recently, indoctrination. >think it was liz1ted recently, indoctrination. >think it was liz wheelerrecently, indoctrination. >think it was liz wheeler onmtly, indoctrination. >think it was liz wheeler on on y, i think it was liz wheeler on on x. i think it was liz wheeler on on x, you're going to be indoctrinating into indoctrinating children into something. just something. it depends. just just whose the whose values is it? is it the values had like free values we've had like free speech, christianity, etcetera? values we've had like free spee(it christianity, etcetera? values we've had like free spee( it the 'istianity, etcetera? values we've had like free spee(it the new 1ity, etcetera? values we've had like free spee(it the new woke tcetera? values we've had like free spee(it the new woke ideology? or is it the new woke ideology? >> and i think in this story as well, rename the well, they should rename the school can't be school because it can't be church england should church of england. it should have with

have nothing to do with the church, with church, have nothing to do with bible, school . bible, just call it school. >> yeah >> just school. yeah. yeah >> just school. yeah. yeah >> well, teach them whatever you want them. want to teach them. >> i'm sure they'll take that on board. we're to board. victor, we're going to move daily now move on to the daily mail now with the story that is going to make unpopular make greta thunberg unpopular on mumsnet. nick this? mumsnet. nick what's this? >> this women in >> yeah, this is women in childbirth swap and childbirth urged to swap gas and air water injections to save air for water injections to save the planet . and the air for water injections to save the planet. and the nhs warns the planet. and the nhs warns the use of the popular pain relief to 18,000 relief is equivalent to 18,000 transatlantic flights . okay, but transatlantic flights. okay, but tell that to a screaming woman who's dealing with labour. i mean, this is going to be awful . they're claiming that . i mean, they're claiming that you four you inject this at four points in lower like some sort in the lower back like some sort of or something. and of acupuncture or something. and this will just equivalent to this will just be equivalent to gas many are gas and air. but many are doubtful, say. i mean , has doubtful, let's say. i mean, has it been tested? >> know? yeah apparently >> do we know? yeah apparently six. >> been 6 in 10 women >> it's been 6 in 10 women described the jabs as effective, tough times for the other four. yeah. you what i mean? yeah. >> i because i hear it's >> i mean, because i hear it's painful whole child. painful the whole child. >> heard as >> i've heard this as well. obviously, experts on obviously, we're not experts on this panel, but we've heard the noise. basically noise. it's basically i've seen it you , victor? it firsthand. have you, victor? seen and he's here. it

seen it? and he's still here. it wasn't tale. wasn't a to tell the tale. >> women . i commend >> it's women. i commend you. it is very , very painful just is very, very painful just watching it. and what would have happened if you'd to happened if you'd tried to just inject with water? >> can you imagine? water? >> am you imagine? water? >> a doctor'snagine? water? >> a doctor's dying,? water? >> a doctor's dying, but . >> a doctor's dying, but. >> a doctor's dying, but. >> but you could say to the woman in labour, know, but woman in labour, you know, but this planet. you this is for the planet. you know, probably be know, i know they'll probably be guardian readers will be fine with that, but the rest of them will be furious will just be furious because look, the national childbirth trust normally trust is saying it's normally used experiencing pain. >> fi- e- @ clark of the pain. >> clark of the she's >> and rachel clark of the she's a nice i don't know who they are, but she's she said it's mind boggling anyway loads of people the ofsted anaesthetist association has said that it's terrible so i highly question it and it doesn't really make sense. >> i mean, it's here to save the planet. if it's to here save the planet, then what's ulez about? ulez to stop this. let's ulez is here to stop this. let's just let deviating a just let ulez deviating into a whole other story. >> right, look, we've >> there. all right, look, we've got. we've come to end of got. we've come to the end of part do join us in part three, but do join us in the the the final section for the secrets comedy. price of secrets of comedy. the price of being funny and an unusual technique improving your technique for improving your garden. see in

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welcome back to headliners . your welcome back to headliners. your first look at monday's newspapers . we're going to start newspapers. we're going to start this final section with the daily mail and a radical idea about humour being essential for joke writing. well, victor, that seems fair enough. well, yeah. >> the story is no joke should be off limits, says comedian lee mack. but the star says the golden rule should be that the punchline needs to be more funnier than shocking . funnier than shocking. >> well, that's no great insight there. we all know this. there. i think we all know this. >> totally i agree. >> i totally agree. and i agree. and because i think and i disagree because i think it's should off it's no joke. should be off limits. disagree limits. but i disagree because it's to audience. it is it's up to the audience. it is up audience. up to the audience. >> is the thing that >> but this is the thing that we're always talking about, >> but this is the thing that we're alicomedians; about, >> but this is the thing that we're alicomedians are out, >> but this is the thing that we're alicomedians are punching whether comedians are punching up down or whether up or punching down or whether they whether they up or punching down or whether they red whether they up or punching down or whether they red lines whether they up or punching down or whether they red lines ultimately,1ey up or punching down or whether thejaudiences ultimately,1ey up or punching down or whether thejaudiences ultirlaugh,1ey the audience don't laugh, it doesn't work. they've doesn't work. and they've made the judgement so you rely on the judgement so you can rely on them, know, and you can talk them, you know, and you can talk about any topic at all. if you can it funny, it can make it funny, yeah, then it will work. >> i have that you go >> i have learned that if you go with topic and

with a controversial topic and it's that's it's not funny, yeah, that's when becomes controversial when it becomes controversial and got to whole lot better. >> the writing has better, >> the writing has to be better, the be better. yeah, the joke has to be better. yeah, exactly. this isn't exactly. i mean, this isn't anything that we don't already know, is it? >> problem with what >> no, but the problem with what he's a gamble, >> no, but the problem with what he's it? a gamble, >> no, but the problem with what he's it? it a gamble, >> no, but the problem with what he's it? it has a gamble, >> no, but the problem with what he's it? it has to a gamble, >> no, but the problem with what he's it? it has to a morele, isn't it? it has to be more funny than shocking. but you can't tell can't find out until you tell the then even you can't find out until you tell thetell then even you can't find out until you tell thetell the then even you can't find out until you tell thetell the joke en even you can't find out until you tell thetell the joke like ven you can't find out until you tell thetell the joke like jemmyou can't find out until you tell thetell the joke like jemmy carr do tell the joke like jemmy carr did with traveller joke, he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did inth traveller joke, he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did in so traveller joke, he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did in so much veller joke, he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did in so much troublenke, he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did in so much trouble for. he do tell the joke like jemmy carr did in so much trouble for. and got in so much trouble for. and even if the audience are laughing, be laughing, you can still be attacked taken attacked because it's taken out of politicians might of context and politicians might tweet a statement tweet saying it was a statement that made rather that jemmy carr made rather than a say a joke. they say it's a statement. where lee statement. and this is where lee sort points out the intention sort of points out the intention has the window that has gone out the window that it no doesn't matter what no longer doesn't matter what your just your intention was, it's just what you did. and that's the thing away intention, thing they take away intention, they so no they take away context. so no one's kind literal >> that kind of literal mindedness, just hate that. mindedness, i just hate that. i mean they did with louis mean they did that with louis c.k. those jokes c.k. when he made those jokes about shootings. and about the school shootings. and i was independent about the school shootings. and i one was independent about the school shootings. and i one those independent about the school shootings. and i one those ind of endent or one of those sorts of newspapers that wrote a headline that said louis c.k. mocks survivors school shootings. survivors of school shootings. no, obviously wasn't doing no, he obviously wasn't doing that. he making a joke that that. he was making a joke that was a little bit more sophisticated maybe sophisticated than maybe they understood, but isn't literal minded interpretation? >> because if it literal

>> because if it was literal minded say joke minded, they'd say it's a joke at comedy show . they're at a comedy show. they're actually even being actually they're not even being literal. further literal. they're going further and saying, know it looked and saying, i know it looked like by comedian like a comedy show by a comedian with front of with on a stage in front of people. actually a people. it was actually a statement from a press conference just lying, basically. >> but that's what i mean. if the strong enough, the joke's not strong enough, then the newspapers then maybe the newspapers are right. problem this, >> the problem with this, i mean, is talking about mean, lee mack is talking about how be funny how it needs to be more funny than but of those than shocking. but both of those ideas are incredibly subjective . something that you find hilarious, find hilarious, i might find completely hilarious, i might find comfindely hilarious, i might find comfind shocking. i might you find shocking. i might think, oh, that's fine. >> that's why let the >> and that's why we let the audience decide the audience audience decide and the audience also newspapers . also includes newspapers. >> i can. >> i can. >> i can. >> i one slightly >> i had one slightly controversial lee mack controversial point. lee mack seems nothing against seems cool, so nothing against him, general, comedians him, but in general, comedians have gone along with of have gone along with sort of very industry . they haven't very woke industry. they haven't spoken except for spoken out against it except for a like us and now, a few legends like us and now, of course, you can say less and less things because they didn't people out in this people didn't speak out in this very woke. people didn't speak out in this very wo more people they people didn't speak out in this very now more people they people didn't speak out in this very now noticed. iple they people didn't speak out in this very now noticed. we they people didn't speak out in this very now noticed. we are they trailblazers. >> we are the pioneers. andrew exactly. welcome to pioneers with nick dixon and andrew doyle be the name of the show.

>> okay, the telegraph >> okay, so to the telegraph now, nick is £10 million the going rate for a sense of humour. now now, this is interesting. >> walliams says he can no >> david walliams says he can no longer funny million. longer be funny in 10 million. britain's got talent now britain's got talent lawsuit now his point is actually not bad. and firstly, david walliams was very on britain's got very nice to me on britain's got talent, get four talent, and i did get four yeses, was he was. yeses, but he was he was. >> what happened, you >> what happened, nick, you didn't it's didn't get through because it's rigged. get the four >> andrew you get the four yeses, still don't yeses, but you still don't get through because you're not the right. have story, right. you don't have the story, man. the story . why don't man. and the story. why don't you just lie? i could have made one up. i should have one up. i know. i should have just just too honest. just lied. i'm just too honest. andrew i mean, they didn't literally very literally say to me, to be very clear, you a story. clear, that you need a story. that's suspicion. that's my suspicion. >> you should've said you >> you should've just said you had smashed had a wasting disease, smashed a gig, four yeses. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso four yeses. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso i four yeses. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso i win four yeses. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso i win awur yeses. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso i win a morales. had a wasting disease, smashed a gigso i win a moral victory, as had a wasting disease, smashed a gsoso i win a moral victory, as had a wasting disease, smashed a gsoso i win abutral victory, as had a wasting disease, smashed a gsoso i win abut yes, ctory, as had a wasting disease, smashed a gsoso i win abut yes, they, as had a wasting disease, smashed a gsoso i win abut yes, the back i so often do. but yes, the back to walliams. was to david walliams. so he was nice to and that's all that nice to me. and that's all that matters. point is they matters. but his point is they actually he claims they were recording his recording him without his knowledge. was recording him without his kn an.edge. was recording him without his kn an atmosphere was recording him without his kn an atmosphere where was recording him without his kn an atmosphere where he was in an atmosphere where he couldn't settle anything couldn't settle because anything he and he said might be recorded. and in general, he started to worry that spontaneous that he couldn't be spontaneous and robbed of that he couldn't be spontaneous anc ability robbed of that he couldn't be spontaneous anc ability to robbed of that he couldn't be spontaneous ancability to do robbed of that he couldn't be spontaneous ancability to do his'obbed of that he couldn't be spontaneous anc ability to do his job ed of that he couldn't be spontaneous ancability to do his job and of his ability to do his job and his ability to do his job and his identity, it's caused his identity, and it's caused him distress.

him great distress. >> disagree >> i'm going to disagree with this read the this one because i've read the jokes. he called the man jokes. i mean, he called the man the three times. said, jokes. i mean, he called the man ttwoman's three times. said, jokes. i mean, he called the man ttwoman's thboringies. said, jokes. i mean, he called the man ttwoman's thboring he said, jokes. i mean, he called the man ttwoman's thboring he wouldn't a woman's so boring he wouldn't want sleep with her. i mean, want to sleep with her. i mean, these jokes. david these are not funny jokes. david walliams. found him walliams. i've never found him funny. other guy. walliams. i've never found him funny. are other guy. walliams. i've never found him funny. are the other guy. walliams. i've never found him funny. are the othwhejuy. those are the things he said, not realising being not realising he was being recorded . recorded. >> right. >> right. >> isn't point when >> but isn't the point that when people are in their private conversations people are in their private conversati they're around, know and they're joking around, they jokes they take risks with the jokes and things and some of the things may not land. you know, not land. and, you know, i'm not talking offensive. land. and, you know, i'm not tali i'm offensive. land. and, you know, i'm not talii'm talkingnffensive. land. and, you know, i'm not talii'm talking aboutre. land. and, you know, i'm not talii'm talking about it's not >> i'm talking about it's not funny. like funny. right so it's like with the microphone on or off, it's just not a fan. >> he wasn't to be funny. >> he wasn't trying to be funny. they like we heard they were catching like we heard the stuff you said the the stuff you said during the break. like it's like if we break. it's like it's like if we captured everyone captured that and everyone could hear lot of hear it, you'd be in a lot of trouble, though, if we were constantly recorded. constantly being recorded. >> are. constantly being recorded. >> i are. constantly being recorded. >> i wouldn't are. constantly being recorded. >> i wouldn't bother are. constantly being recorded. >> i wouldn't bother me'e. constantly being recorded. >> i wouldn't bother me if i'd known the known that i'd even stop the jokes offstage as well. jokes up offstage as well. >> can you can that the >> can you can do that in the when show after this. so you when the show after this. so you can't performing the time. >> that's what is. >> that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> always on, always on, never off. >> moving the times now, >> moving to the times now, victor, story victor, a story about multitasking. this. multitasking. i love this. >> story. on. multitasking. i love this. >> headphonesory. on. multitasking. i love this. >> headphones are on. multitasking. i love this. >> headphones are in. on. multitasking. i love this. >> headphones are in. how. the headphones are in. how a little editor to love little editor learned to love the audiobook. so basically what

they're is people are they're saying is people are learning to read books just buy for the headphones. and i am one. >> one. >> are doing >> are you doing it? >> are you doing it? >> oh, do you know how many books read ? books i've read? >> couldn't guess. >> i couldn't even guess. i've even down. even written them down. >> jessica george. >> ma'am. from jessica george. stronger by fern brady. stronger female by fern brady. i'm going in. >> you're writing down the list of you write so. but of books, and you write so. but you're listening to them rather than listening. than reading them listening. is that experience? that a better experience? >> better experience >> it's a much better experience cause work. cause you could be at work. you could you be. could be at. you could be. >> one right now. >> done, right? yeah >> done, right? yeah >> you got. i haven't >> nick, have you got. i haven't got with the audiobook . i did got on with the audiobook. i did try it. | got on with the audiobook. i did try it. i understand the point. you know, i don't think it's a bad thing. you know, and as kids we will to you know. we all will read to you know. >> that it's back. >> yeah, i love that it's back. it seems like quite a quaint medium have resurfaced. and it seems like quite a quaint mel ium have resurfaced. and it seems like quite a quaint mel love have resurfaced. and it seems like quite a quaint mel love that ve resurfaced. and it seems like quite a quaint mel love that ve rback. ced. and it seems like quite a quaint mel love that ve rback. led. and so i love that it's back. i listen to lot. won't listen to him a lot. i won't listen to him a lot. i won't listen me, listen to fiction. to me, fiction an aesthetic fiction is like an aesthetic experience but experience has to be read, but i'll listen to non—fiction because it's basically information or an argument. and it's very useful because i'm interviewing week it's very useful because i'm intwmy ewing week it's very useful because i'm intwmy podcast, week it's very useful because i'm intwmy podcast, so week it's very useful because i'm intwmy podcast, so i'm week it's very useful because i'm intwmy podcast, so i'm always eek on my podcast, so i'm always listening you on my podcast, so i'm always listed0|g you on my podcast, so i'm always liste do it you on my podcast, so i'm always liste do it when you're you on my podcast, so i'm always liste do it when you're thevou can do it when you're on the move, yes, yeah, exactly. move, right? yes, yeah, exactly. and spotify are competing now with sorry, with with audio audible. sorry, i'm going bring in this thing

i'm to going bring in this thing where a month. where it's 15 hours a month. the problem book's problem with that is if a book's really long, andrew, your book is minutes. is 11 hours, 28 minutes. so you'd i want to you'd be like, do i want to commit my entire month? almost you'd be like, do i want to co andrewy entire month? almost you'd be like, do i want to co andrew doylee month? almost you'd be like, do i want to co andrew doyle you )nth? almost you'd be like, do i want to co andrew doyle you shouldlmost you'd be like, do i want to co andrew doyle you should askit to andrew doyle you should ask ourselves you can put me ourselves this. you can put me on double can't but on double speed, can't you? but you're sap that many on double speed, can't you? but you're won'tap that many on double speed, can't you? but you're won't you? at many on double speed, can't you? but you're won't you? because you're on double speed, can't you? but yc hours.on't you? because you're on double speed, can't you? but yc hours. you're u? because you're on double speed, can't you? but yc hours. you're onlyzcause you're on double speed, can't you? but yc hours. you're only allowed)u're on double speed, can't you? but yc hours. you're only allowed 15 re 11 hours. you're only allowed 15 when count ? when it still count? >> i don't know. but that's a book month. >> i don't know. but that's a book m(what. that's what he's >> that's what. that's what he's talking about. is it? you think it's thing? yeah talking about. is it? you think it's one thing? yeah talking about. is it? you think it's one booking? yeah talking about. is it? you think it's one book a g? yeah talking about. is it? you think it's one book a month. >> one book a month. >> one book a month. >> just can't listen to >> i just can't listen to andrew's book. the new puritans. very be if i've read >> i'll be angry if i've read your i'm happy your book, and i'm not happy aftennards. my aftennards. i mean, that's my book for the month. the telegraph. >> now, nick, this? >> now, nick, what's this? colours smells. explain colours having smells. explain this me, please. true colours this to me, please. true colours come through thanks to come shining through thanks to what we smell. what we can smell. >> so idea is if you just >> so the idea is if you just smelt coffee and you look at a colour that's neutral grey, you'll you'll choose a more red brown colour and you'll go for more blue version. if you've just had caramel pumped into the room . apparently really room. apparently i don't really get isn't really get that. but this isn't really new. cialdini discovered new. robert cialdini discovered this. he had a book called persuasion. another this. he had a book called persucalled another this. he had a book called persucalled persuasion, another this. he had a book called persucalled persuasion, where er book called persuasion, where like if you if you touch

something cold, whatever, you'd make different choice and all make a different choice and all these kind of things. it goes these kind of things. so it goes for goes for for temperature, it goes for colour pitches. can colour, sound pitches. you can influence . i don't know influence people. i don't know if it's influencing their vision, it's influencing vision, but it's influencing their it claims it's their vision, but it's influencing their maybe claims it's their vision, but it's influencing their maybe it aims it's their vision, but it's influencing their maybe it is. is it's their vision. maybe it is. >> this isn't something vision. maybe it is. >> anythingsn't something vision. maybe it is. >> anything about.nething vision. maybe it is. >> anything about. buting vision. maybe it is. >> anything about. but victor, know anything about. but victor, what this? i can what do you make of this? i can agree cares? agree with it, but who cares? >> just work >> do you scientists just work for free? >> i think that's a great question. cares? question. who cares? >> need to come up >> like they need to come up with need to come with some they need to come up. scientists there. go scientists out there. yeah, go home. get your laboratory home. get into your laboratory here and a way of me going here and find a way of me going to work and not paying taxes . to work and not paying taxes. now, that's something that's something that you can get behind. get behind smells behind. i can get behind smells is within the is that's really within the realm care because realm of scientific care because they're up nonsense i >> yes, there are a lot of those sort of stories where scientists have done a study and you think, what's necessary? what's that really necessary? yeah, that going. >> can this >> they can use this in marketing, and marketing, though, to try and trick you more money. trick you to spend more money. that's it from that's why it comes from persuasion and see. >> that's of >> yeah, well, that's kind of important. well, >> yeah, well, that's kind of imp0|thet. well, >> yeah, well, that's kind of imp0|the show well, >> yeah, well, that's kind of imp0|the show is well, >> yeah, well, that's kind of imp0|the show is nearly.l, >> yeah, well, that's kind of imp0|the show is nearly over, look, the show is nearly over, but before we leave, let's just take look at take another quick look at monday's daily monday's front pages. the daily

mail merciless mail has pawns of merciless terrorists. the telegraph also leading israel story. leading with the israel story. us sends warships and jets to help israel. the guardian violence escalates as death toll surges to over 1000. the times is leading with stunned israel goes to war. the eye news as fears grow for 100 hostages. and finally , the financial times has finally, the financial times has israel at war after deadly hamas attack. obviously, most all of the front pages are running with the front pages are running with the same story . they're very the same story. they're very chilling news from israel. that's all we got time for. but thank you to my guests, victor daniels and nick dixon. simon evans will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. he'll be joined by bruce devlin and nicholas de santo and if you're watching the repeat of this show at 5 am, do stay tuned because it's time for

on the 9th of october. you're tuned into breakfast on gb news with eamonn and isabel. >> here's what's leading the news this morning . israel news this morning. israel continue its bombardment of the gaza strip in retaliation for hamas rocket assault. there are now over 1000 israelis in palestinians dead as the escalation enters its third day. >> there are fears that the conflict will spread across the region . america is sending region. america is sending warships to support israel. we'll have the latest on that throughout the program . throughout the program. >> in other news, the labour party conference is in full swing after a strong opening from angela rayner, the shadow chancellor will take to the podium and our deputy political editor tom hannood will tell you what to expect . the watchword of what to expect. the watchword of

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