on full pay for men undergoing the andropause. that's the male menopause. have we become a nafion menopause. have we become a nation of complete hypochondriacs ? all of that to hypochondriacs? all of that to come tonight on dewbs & co with come tonight on dewbs& co with me bev turner. but first, the latest news headlines with polly i >> beth, thank you. and at 6:00, our top story is that the united nafions our top story is that the united nations says israel is order of a complete siege on gaza is deeply distressing. the country's declared war on hamas after the terrorist group launched an attack on saturday. more than 800 people are reported to have been killed inside israel and 500 others in gaza since then. well, the un

secretary—general, antonio guterres , has urged all parties guterres, has urged all parties to allow humanitarian aid in to help trapped palestinian orphans. >> the humanitarian situation in gaza was extremely dire before this hostilities. now only deteriorate exponentially . deteriorate exponentially. medical equipment and food, fuel and other humanitarian supplies are desperately needed , along are desperately needed, along with access for humanity , un with access for humanity, un personnel relief and entry of essential supplies into gaza must be facilitated and the un will continue efforts to provide aid to respond to these needs . aid to respond to these needs. and i urge all sides and relevant parties to allow united nafions relevant parties to allow united nations access to deliver urgent humanitarian assistance to palestinian civilians trapped and helpless in the gaza strip . and helpless in the gaza strip. >> un chief speaking a short time ago. well, scotland's first minister says his wife's parents are still trapped in gaza after visiting family humza yousaf, who unequivocally condemned hamas attack, says he's not sure

if they'll make it through the night . and here the foreign night. and here the foreign secretary says the government will review its support to israel and to british nationals in the country. speaking after a cobra meeting today, james cleverly said hamas's attack was unpressed indented. >> we reaffirmed our support to israel in its self—defence against this terrorist attack perpetrated by hamas against unarmed civilians . in many unarmed civilians. in many instances , i've been speaking instances, i've been speaking with with foreign ministers from around the region and beyond. the prime minister has engaged with the israeli prime minister and will be engaging with our allies. this is an ongoing situation and of course we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses . situation progresses. >> well, the shadow foreign secretary david lammy, said the labour party views attacks on israel as utterly appalling. there is never, never , never a

there is never, never, never a justification for terrorism, labour stands firmly in support of israel's right to defend itself, rest , rescue hostages itself, rest, rescue hostages and protect its citizens . and protect its citizens. >> the hostages was so cruelly taken in including children , taken in including children, should be released immediately . should be released immediately. and hamas's indiscriminate attacks set back the cause of peace . peace. >> well, that was inside the hall, outside the hall . hall, outside the hall. pro—palestinian demonstrations were held. a group of protesters heard chanting free palestine , heard chanting free palestine, some clashing with labour party members . the shadow chancellor members. the shadow chancellor said her party is ready to rebuild britain. speaking at the labour party conference in liverpool, rachel reeves spoke of a restoring of economic security of what she called the chaos of the tory years. she said labour was plans to revamp the uk's local town planning

departments were being planned in order to boost the economy. she also confirmed her ideas about overhaul , saying planning about overhaul, saying planning rules to speed up energy and five g projects . she said the five g projects. she said the choice at the next general election for the electorate was five more years of tory chaos or a changed labour party of the wreckage of tory misrule. >> labour will restore our economic credibility. we will lift our living standards , make lift our living standards, make work pay , rebuild our public work pay, rebuild our public services , invest in home grown services, invest in home grown industries in every corner of our country, and together we will get britain its future back well away from conference. >> today, the government's defending its plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda in the supreme court , eight lawyers supreme court, eight lawyers representing the home office told the court that the policy told the court that the policy to remove people to a country

thatis to remove people to a country that is safe but less attractive than the uk is lawful . and sir than the uk is lawful. and sir james eadie says the government has attached considerable importance to the deal . over importance to the deal. over three days, several cases collective known as the rwanda appeals , will challenge the appeals, will challenge the court of appeals decision to halt resettling migrants . more halt resettling migrants. more than 400 criminals have been jailed for a total of over 3700 years after an operation by the metropolitan police, operation eternal investigated organised crime groups over a three and a half year period by targeting an encrypted messaging platform. more than three tonnes of class a and b drugs and nearly 50 weapons were seized in the largest ever operation of its kind by the met with the force, calling it unprecedented. and that's the latest news. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and

on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> thank you, polly. so welcome to dewbs& co this evening with me bev turner joining me until 7:00 this evening. my panel, pr consultant alex dean and political commentator joe phillips. you can get in touch with us this evening. of course. usual email address gb views at gb news. com or on twitter or x as he wants us to call it. i'm not calling it that yet, alex. ah, you know, joe, still twitter at gb news. so get in touch with us this evening. so we're in day three of the israel—hamas war. rishi sunak has held an emergency cobra meeting this afternoon over 1300 people afternoon after over 1300 people have died so far in the conflict , and labour conference is , of , and labour conference is, of course, in full swing as well. today joe, let me come to you, first of all, just how do you reflect on this amount of barbarity and death and violence against completely innocent

people? well, it's just unbeliev able. >> and as many commentators have said, this is there. september the 11th moment, because it is unprecedented . there are many, unprecedented. there are many, many questions that need to be answered in due course , which is answered in due course, which is why the big one is why did israel, which is renowned for its security and its intelligence service , its intelligence service, its embedded informants in gaza, how did this happen? without it? i mean, there are reports that they were warned by egypt that's running on the news this evening, which the israeli government or prime minister netanyahu has dismissed. but this has got ramifications for all of us. you know, there are questions about iran's involvement. we know that iran has supported financially and with weapons. they support hamas , the terror group. they also support hezbollah in lebanon . support hezbollah in lebanon. are there. question is about the tentacles of russia and how far they go. and of course, you

know, you are talking, bev, as we all know, too, sadly , about we all know, too, sadly, about the most unstable area in the world. and the ramification is, you know, across that egypt's got elections coming up later this year . got elections coming up later this year. you got elections coming up later this year . you know, you've got this year. you know, you've got syria still in the midst of its civil war. you've got jordan, which has always played paid played peace broker . but it's played peace broker. but it's you know, it's the end of the two state solution. and anything that's been agreed over the years and it is just horrific . years and it is just horrific. >> and you wonder, alex, we've spent so much time in the last 12 months thinking about russia . in ukraine. we've kind of taken our eyes off the middle east and it seemed as though the situation in in israel was relatively quiet, relatively speaking. why now, do you think? >> i think there are two reasons. the first is it wasn't quiet in terms of domestic politics. in fact, it was quite fiery and disrupted. and netanyahu's attempted judicial reforms had led to widespread

discontent within the democratic and pluralist state of israel . and pluralist state of israel. people had had voiced real concern on sort of civil liberties grounds about their government's direction of travel. some had said they would no longer serve as reservists. thatis no longer serve as reservists. that is to say, i think they sent a signal to those who hate them that they were internally divided and internally focussed and inwardly focussed. and that meant that those around them got the impression that now is the right time to strike. so that's part one. part two is that israel has been on a push both for genuine desire for peace and concern about iran's position in the region to improve its relations with its neighbours. so we've seen bahrain, morocco , so we've seen bahrain, morocco, sudan all normalise relations with israel. and then the big one, potentially saudi arabia in in discussions with normalising their position with israel and that would have sent a real message in the region. so seeing that happen, hamas, i think, thinking it was the best possible time to strike against

israel and in a state of some desperation as their support base narrowed to iran and iran alone , thought it's now or alone, thought it's now or neven alone, thought it's now or never. but there is one sliver of positivity about this disgusting which is that disgusting episode which is that that indicates to me that hamas is desperate rather than in a position of strength. >> think hamas is desperate >> you think hamas is desperate rather than in position of rather than in a position of strength. but they must have felt they were in felt that they were in a position of strength on saturday day morning to enact such an invasion is the only word i mean, that's exactly what it was. and you you had the music concert with all of these just beautiful young people at a peace conference. you couldn't be more by paraglide for joe. it's like it's awful . it's just awful. >> and they arrive by paraglider and in trucks and they're machine guns, innocent people there for a good time. it's one of those singular reminders that israel is the country in which people, if they're gay, can enjoy themselves , whatever kind enjoy themselves, whatever kind of music they're in, rather than only having one chant, they're allowed. they can sing no death

penalty it's penalty and so forth. it's a country where people can be themselves and then hated for being themselves. have being themselves. people have gone them. gone and killed them. >> i think your point, >> yeah, but i think your point, beverly, which is quite interesting, said about interesting, that you said about moscow and thinking that we've taken our eyes off the middle east now, you know, there might be out there who think be people out there who think that this would quite help up moscow because it's taken our eyes off ukraine, because we're all focussed on the middle east for, you know, it's going to have huge geopolitical and diplomatic ramifications . diplomatic ramifications. >> and that's before we even start talking about oil and gas and the energy crisis that we're already feeling the effects of in this country. this is only going to make that much worse as we go into the winter, joe. >> but also, you know, at the end and the people who are suffering, whether they're palestinians or they're israelis, they are ordinary people . people. >> they are kids like you say, they're kids at a peace concert having a rave in the desert. they are people in their houses

and always the civilians and it is always the civilians who caught up in this. and, who get caught up in this. and, you know, we know about the numbers of deaths, but there are an lot more people who an awful lot more people who will injured. will be seriously injured. >> interviewing >> i was interviewing a journalist, a citizen journalist, a citizen journalist, alex, on on the tv this morning on gb news ephrat fenigstein and i asked her a question. are israelis fleeing? is everybody racing to the airport or not? well this is what was interesting. and somebody on twitter said that that was a very naive question of me. yes , i would hold my of me. and yes, i would hold my hands is a naive question. >> visitors have have left in droves, the israelis are droves, but the israelis are digging in. is their home. digging in. it is their home. they say that they're going to stand up for themselves and they're not going to be driven out. one fully out. and no one fully understands that position. understands that that position. and wanted answer the point and i wanted to answer the point you make talking to joe you would make talking to joe about does make one about oil. it does make one think, what are we doing allowing to allowing ourselves to be dependent in which dependent on a scenario in which hamas our energy hamas can disrupt our energy supply? i think supply? absolutely. i think without being party political, this about this informs my view about whether we should renew whether or not we should renew leases sea. it

leases in the north sea. it makes me think myself, why makes me think to myself, why on earth aren't approving earth aren't we approving more nuclear? should be nuclear? you know, we should be more efficient and energy more energy efficient and energy sovereign ourselves because if you like you allow terrorists like this to our of life, not to disrupt our way of life, not even with attack the uk, even with an attack on the uk, but with an attack on but simply with an attack on somebody else, you've got to think got the mix wrong. think we've got the mix wrong. >> pulls all sorts of things >> it pulls all sorts of things into doesn't it? this into focus, doesn't it? this situation now, it, like situation now, doesn't it, like we like i said in my we said, the like i said in my opening, we'll look opening, i think we we'll look back this as one of the most back on this as one of the most significant weeks in modern history. it might sound like history. and it might sound like an but think an exaggeration, but i think we've haven't begun to we've barely we haven't begun to see implications of see what the implications of events of last three days events of the last three days are be. let's a are going to be. let's have a listen what david lammy said listen to what david lammy said today. talking the today. he was talking at the labour party conference. this is what what he said. it what this is what he said. it was unequivocal. >> labour utterly condemns >> all labour utterly condemns hamas's attack hamas's appalling attack on israel . our labour stands firmly israel. our labour stands firmly in support of israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens. there will not be a just and last

peace until israel is secure. palestine is a sovereign state and both israelis and palestinians enjoy security, dignity and human rights. >> that was david lammy , of >> that was david lammy, of course, secretary of state for foreign commonwealth and development affairs of the united kingdom . it's very long united kingdom. it's a very long title, shadow sorry. thank title, shadow. sorry. thank you. yeah, quite there yet. yeah, we're not quite there yet. alex. good point. we may alex. a good point. we may neven alex. a good point. we may never. we'd like to think so. well, may never be. i thought well, we may never be. i thought that really great, that was a really great, emphatic, absolutely unequipped that was a really great, emphaiabsolutelyely unequipped that was a really great, emphaiabsolutely condemned led tackle. absolutely condemned nafion tackle. absolutely condemned nation of hamas. >> yes. and you know, there is no doubt that there are factions within the labour party who would seek to cause disruption an and, you know, if jeremy corbyn was still the leader, then they wouldn't be in the position then. >> and there was a fringe event there today, joe, at which hamas were applauded at the conference. is there a space for that? >> shameful. but they're not in charge and we must pay . it's not charge and we must pay. it's not a time for party politics,

really. i must say, as a conservative, i'm immense impressed by the labour party. this week. i am immensely impressed by the way that that those attitudes and those positions entire clearly on positions are entire clearly on the fringe and outside the complex rather complex protesting it rather than they're not on than inside it. they're not on the and i thought the platform. and i thought david lammy was tremendous today . know, he doesn't . you know, whilst he doesn't have votes himself as a have my votes himself as a labour and i'm tory, he labour person and i'm a tory, he shows that he's got the maturity and ability to be our foreign secretary. he's secretary. and he he's demonstrative the that demonstrative of the fact that this party has this labour party has transformed itself and have taken a mature position on a vital this. well vital issue like this. well done, labour. >> joe, to say >> it seems trite, joe, to say that the conference has been overshadowed by events in the middle east, but it's true. but it is true. >> you know, beverley, i worked on political conferences for many, many years and you know , many, many years and you know, these things happen. global events. they and you've worked so hard on your presentations, your backdrop, your speeches and everything and then you know, you're not on the front pages, you're not on the front pages, you know, for the of you know, for the worst of possible reasons. and so i think, you know, i think what alex said is, is absolutely

right and very generous as well . you know, it's about dignity . . you know, it's about dignity. it's about getting on with what you've got to do, saying the right things that need to be said, which i think david lammy did. and certainly rachel reeves in her media rounds this morning. and i think they still get on with the job. >> and yet we still have the bbc, who the stylebook does not refer to hamas as a terrorist organisation. how is that? >> i don't understand that because they are a proscribed organisation under the terrorism act. yeah so i'm not entirely sure why i'm sure they'll update it . it. >> i would have thought as they should have done it some time ago, someone will hopefully be editing that. >> let's look at some of the numbers. if you're just joining us. obviously horrendous this day. back very day. israel has hit back very hard gaza. death toll now hard at gaza. the death toll now over 1300 people are at least 800 israelis and 560 palestine have been killed . retaliation have been killed. retaliation has only just begun, said israel's benjamin netanyahu . but

israel's benjamin netanyahu. but thousands of hamas targets have been hit, says the israeli military . the israeli air force military. the israeli air force has carried out one of the largest ever air strikes against hamas in gaza. the other issue, alex, that we can't neglect is the kidnapping. so there have been over a hundred innocent civilians. how you would feel if your family members were in that situation and there are people left wondering if their family members are alive and if they are how they are being treated. >> we have seen we've seen the footage of people being seized off the streets and brutalised. there's much footage that is not fit for public consumption that has been circulated to you . has been circulated to you. women abused in the most base way alongside the corpses of their friends, weaponising of rape . correct. and hamas has rape. correct. and hamas has said that it will treat its prisoners with very well. well, i forgive me if i don't believe that. i forgive me if i don't believe that . and i i forgive me if i don't believe that. and i think if you were israeli and or indeed somebody

else snatched through a case of mistaken identity, when you hoover up people off the streets, you may not get the people you mean to, you will be terrified the fates of terrified for the fates of your loved ones. >> tonight. i mentioned earlier there was cobra meeting this there was a cobra meeting this afternoon by sunak afternoon hosted by rishi sunak , leni lynn owens, the deputy commissioner of the met police, was seen leaving the cabinet office following that meeting. what do we do now, joe? as the british government, what do we want them to do? obviously, the priority has to be, i suppose, getting out british citizens. >> yes. and the foreign secretary, james cleverly was there was a clip earlier after that meeting that he said, you know, there are flights available. well, the foreign office is advising , obviously office is advising, obviously not to go to israel unless it's absolutely urgent . but i think , absolutely urgent. but i think, you know, what you can do is what the government has done, which is absolute unequivocal support for israel to defend itself against a terrorist attack. and i think you have to talk to other world leaders

because it's you know, this isn't something that little england can do on its own. it's far too big. >> do you feel do you feel safe with rishi sunak in charge dunng with rishi sunak in charge during a situation like this? alex and do you feel safe with biden being at the helm? >> i certainly respect and admire rishi sunaks leadership , admire rishi sunaks leadership, and i think he's got a better grip on what's going on than some others may do. but your biden point, i think, is well made, but i wanted to answer your point about what should we do? there is another thing we should doing, which is should be doing, which is protecting own jewish people protecting our own jewish people in other areas in golders green and other areas of kingdom, which are of the united kingdom, which are heavily seen shops heavily jewish, we've seen shops vandalised. abusive vandalised. we've seen abusive signs. seems that signs. and it seems that if israel something, people israel does something, people don't like, the react is hatred towards our jews. and if israel is treated in a despicable way and its people violated, then the reaction is hatred towards our british jews and there is no winning to it. >> and we've seen people on the streets of britain today celebrating a young woman celebrating a young woman celebrating with a microphone, saying this is absolutely appalling. mind

boggling. you know, again, because >> you know, again, because hamas is a proscribed group that is illegal. yeah, well , let's is illegal. yeah, well, let's say it is like we say, only day three, but no doubt reverberates of this will be felt for many, many months, if not years to come. >> we are only just starting this conversation, right? labour conference is in full swing. will they your vote? will will they win your vote? will tell they said today . tell you what they said today. don't anywhere .

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alphabetical order. oh are you going to be problematic again? >> the dinosaur hour sunday, the 29th of october at 9:00 on . gb 29th of october at 9:00 on. gb news. welcome back to dewbs& co with me bev turner this week. >> thank you for keeping me company. i'm here until 7:00 with pr consultant alex dean and political commentator joe phillips. so do you wish you'd been at the conference today? both of you? >> do you know what, beverly? i have done conferences over >> do you know what, beverly? i hav lastne conferences over >> do you know what, beverly? i hav last 30 conferences over >> do you know what, beverly? i hav last 30 something'ences over >> do you know what, beverly? i hav last 30 something years. over >> do you know what, beverly? i hav last 30 something years. i'm' the last 30 something years. i'm very happy to never see the inside of a conference hall. alex it's awful. hotel rooms. >> for the first time in my life , having seen david lammy speak today , i do wish i'd been at today, i do wish i'd been at labour party conference. i do. i would have to have would have liked to have been there seen regard as there and seen what i regard as a transformative moment in our opposition well opposition party's life. well extraordinarily, have to extraordinarily, alex, i have to say, improved. say, they have improved. >> gone are the days >> you know, gone are the days of i remember going to one conference blackpool years conference in blackpool years and ago and, know, and years ago and, you know,

staying dreadful b&bs staying in those dreadful b&bs where you had to pay a £50 deposit for the plug in order to use the plug in the sink. >> i like the i like the blackpool b&b, i love a blackpool b&b, i love a blackpool b&b, i love a blackpool b&b, right. >> let's go to gb news political correspondent olivia utley who is liverpool for a rundown of is in liverpool for a rundown of the day's events. good evening, olivia . olivia. >> good evening, bev. >> good evening, bev. >> so what have been the highlights today? on monday ? highlights today? on monday? >> well, i think we can safely say that rachel reeves speech was the big highlight. whatever you make of reeves, whatever you make of labour in general, it was a pretty barnstorming speech and the energy in the room. i was there and it was just worlds away anything that happened away from anything that happened at the conservative party conference i think conference last week. i think there were seven stands ovations and the overspill of people who couldn't get a seat in couldn't even get a seat in a very, very large room was enormous . now, reeves sort of enormous. now, reeves sort of took on. she she definitely stole the tory clothes in lots of ways. she talked a lot about tax asian, saying that she would like to lower taxation in well,

obviously, that is normally a pretty conservative outlook. but now the conservatives have lumbered with the lumbered britain with the highest tax burden in 70 years. so it could well be that there are plenty of swing voters at home who listen to reeves home who listen to rachel reeves , news radio , perhaps on gb news radio tomorrow morning and think, hey, perhaps she has a point. it was notable, actually, how little there was of new policy information from rachel reeves speech. she talked about a genuine living wage age. britain, british national, british railways, all things that she's mentioned before or there wasn't very much there in terms of sort of nuggets of news, but that didn't really matter. she had the energy , she matter. she had the energy, she had the momentum with her. and in lots of ways , that's pretty in lots of ways, that's pretty reminiscent of blair. there was she was a total sort of central tory. she had all of her colleagues behind her standing up, clapping her, etcetera . but up, clapping her, etcetera. but notably , the big difference from notably, the big difference from blair was there was very little of anything ideological at all.

there was no talk of a sort of vision for the country. there was no talk for of a new day dawning. it was all about, well, who's more competent , dawning. it was all about, well, who's more competent, me or the conservatives the main the main message i got from her speech was labour will clear up tory messes . is your life any better messes. is your life any better under the conservatives than it was 13 years ago when they took office? she thinks no, it wasn't. and that will probably chime with quite a lot of people throughout the country. she talks cracking down on talks about cracking down on waste. well, there's nothing really ideological that. really ideological about that. and disagree and no one could really disagree that it would be good to get back that money that was back some of that money that was fraudulently, fraudulently claimed pandemic. so claimed during the pandemic. so nothing very ideological . but i nothing very ideological. but i think on the whole that didn't matter. she had the room with her and i think she might well have the country with her. and what about the mood, olivia? >> does it like >> does it does it look like a party that presumes that as long as they don't upset anybody too dramatically, will win the dramatically, they will win the next election? or are they just being a little complacent? do

you think? mark? >> i think they it does >> well, i think they it does feel as though they think they are going to win the next election, lisa nandy said at a fringe event today that she's expecting more than two terms in office. think labour on office. i think labour have on the whole briefed not the whole been briefed to not sound but but sound too complacent, but but that generally that message was was generally missed by her. a lot of people have said, and am feeling that have said, and i am feeling that today sort of today that it's a sort of reassuringly boring conference. we've so many conference we've seen so many conference dramas in recent years. if you remember theresa may coughing her speech , the her way through the speech, the p45 up, et cetera . et p45 coming up, et cetera. et cetera. has felt very , cetera. today has felt very, very slick. it's felt like labouris very slick. it's felt like labour is very much in charge. i've seen sort of lots of public affairs officials running around, lobbyists trying to talk to labour because they feel as though labour is now the party of government. >> and olivia, me just yes, >> and olivia, let me just yes, i would say there's some complacency. one last quick question. obviously, i was down in manchester, up in manchester for the conservative party conference last week. gb news had big presence we had a big presence there. we also a similar presence in also have a similar presence in liverpool, not quite as big as last week. are they greeting

last week. how are they greeting gb are nice to you? gb news? are they nice to you? did you tom hannood get did did you and tom hannood get any hugs from the labour any warm hugs from the labour party today ? party today? >> well, actually i was quite surprised at how friendly on the whole labour delegates have been . i've been speaking, i've been boxing labour delegates all day on the atrocities going on in israel and i was first interested to see that almost everyone i talked to was very much on the side of david lammy. they much all said that they pretty much all said that they stand completely behind israel very happy to israel and were very happy to talk gb news about it. good talk to gb news about it. good to know. reassuring for us. >> know. well, you've >> good to know. well, you've got on olivia. got your posh frock on olivia. you beautiful. she's you look beautiful. she's obviously a of obviously going out to a bit of a do the kind of doo that a do the kind of doo doo that you like to be swanky you would like to be swanky parties that labour now puts on. you should we have you know what should we have a little look at? rachel reeves and today, i mean, it and speaking today, i mean, it was very of her. was it was very kind of her. also that for them to the also that for them to choose the gb news backdrop. have a gb news branded backdrop. have a look the wreckage of tory look out of the wreckage of tory misrule, will restore our misrule, labour will restore our economic credibility . economic credibility. >> we will lift our living

standards, make work pay, rebuild our public services, invest it in home grown industries in every corner of our country, and together we will get britain. it's future back. it wasn't flashy, joe, but i thought she did a great job. >> i thought the fact that she was wearing the dark colour i thought was appropriate on a day like today, great hair. if you're listening on the radio. very slick, shiny black bob. not that matters. we wouldn't that it matters. we wouldn't talk about the men in that way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkimout the men in that way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkin a ut the men in that way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkin a way,5 men in that way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkin a way, youen in that way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkin a way, you know,1at way, that it matters. we wouldn't talkin a way, you know, shevay, but in a way, you know, she looked the part, didn't she? and i there a lot of i thought there was a lot of word as olivia said, word salad, as olivia said, there weren't revelations there weren't huge revelations in of the chorus in there. the kind of the chorus of speech labour is of her speech was labour is ready ready to lead ready to serve, ready to lead and to rebuild britain . it and ready to rebuild britain. it wasn't quite build back better, but was that, wasn't but it was almost that, wasn't it? but what did you make of it? did you think she a good job? >> yes, i think she did a great job. and i think the endorsement she got from mark carney, the former governor the of former governor of the bank of england, of course, was england, who, of course, was appointed by george osborne,

tory i think is tory chancellor, i think is hugely important. i mean, you know, things about know, one of the things about being opposition for 13 years being in opposition for 13 years means that you have an awful lot of time to hone your message. and i think, as alex said earlier, the labour party has transformed itself from the dreadful days jeremy corbyn, dreadful days of jeremy corbyn, you know, and boring isn't always bad , i think, you know, always bad, i think, you know, we'll see what keir starmer says later on in the week and we'll see what other speakers have got to say. they have to offer something that is not necessarily , you know, necessarily, you know, motherhood and apple pie or sunut motherhood and apple pie or sunlit uplands, but they've got to do more than say we're better than the current lot. there's got to be something for people to believe in. >> yeah, she talks about her secure genomics . alex which secure genomics. alex which sounds a bit like an 80s pop band to me. the secure genomics i >> yeah, you can hear the synth p°p >> yeah, you can hear the synth pop can't you? >> but it's also there was something a little bit sort of patrician about it that makes me uncomfortable. there's something i don't need them don't i don't need them to. i don't want them to look after me. just

let make my money. keep as let me make my money. keep as much it as i can and give me much of it as i can and give me the secure genomics. we're going to that always to keep you safe. that always makes a bit i think makes me a bit icky. i think it's a deliberate echo of bidenomics, misses the bidenomics, which misses the fact that the fact in the parallel that the dollar currency dollar is the reserve currency that a world role, and that plays a world role, and biden can afford to splurge on infrastructure in a way that the british economy can't, which labour has realised by at least postponing and not abandoning, but postponing its green deal. >> you know, they've talked about this 28 billion and it costs them politically to set that back and it was a realistic thing which demonstrated they're really thinking about government thing which demonstrated they're reallyhavingig about government thing which demonstrated they're reallyhavingig ab(so government thing which demonstrated they're reallyhaving 1g ab(so goveaboutlt . but having been so nice about the let's just the labour party, let's just remember reeves remember this. rachel reeves says, olivia tells us that they think will win. well, so think they will win. well, so did kinnock and on more did neil kinnock and on more than occasion. and it's than one occasion. and it's possible to get things possible to get these things wrong and i want to just point out that people say labour out that people say that labour played it ultra cautious under blair and brown going into the 97 election, but gordon brown, the shadow chancellor took a transformative minimum wage and a in the pound income tax

a £0.10 in the pound income tax rate. has given rate. rachel reeves has given you actually literally nothing of substance. >> well, this is what she did say. she said, i'm going to crack down on tory ministers, private jets, private jets, habit eight, which is quite clever to say the tory ministers private jet habit, because then if labour also take private jets, you can say, well they only said i was going to crack out the tories and stop the tories . tories. >> the thing that she >> i think the thing that she did say, which think will did say, which i think will resonate a lot of members resonate with a lot of members of the public, the covid of the public, is the covid clause because are clause back because there are many, millions of people many, many millions of people who feel absolutely disgusted that lot that people who made a lot of money us the public . off money ripping us the public. off £77.2 billion of covid fraud, to joe,% of the fraudulent grants have been recovered . have been recovered. >> and rishi sunak said wasn't even going to bother to pursue it. >> and you sort of think, well, i'm sure people watching and listening will have been pursued to the nth degree for an underpaid life tv licence or council tax or yeah , something

council tax or yeah, something like that. it is absolutely despicable that that has not been a priority . been a priority. >> but that's the covid corruption commissioner. but what bugs me sorry, just what bugs me about that. >> were labour when they >> where were labour when they were dishing out all they were asking for was more furlough , asking for was more furlough, more grants. asking for was more furlough, mo theyints. asking for was more furlough, mo they would say . and it's not >> they would say. and it's not my to for labour, but my role to speak for labour, but by any means. but they would say yes, more but yes, we wanted more spent, but we would be spent we assumed it would be spent appropriately fraud appropriately and that fraud would be clamped down on my position on because you would be clamped down on my posilots on because you would be clamped down on my posilots on business cause you would be clamped down on my posilots on business people ju see lots of business people today saying as if very today saying as if it's very wise ah, you see, you wise. ah, but you see, you failed consider the costs of failed to consider the costs of pursuing and got to pursuing it and you've got to balance the one against the other. pragmatically, other. and pragmatically, perhaps worth perhaps it's not worth the candle. don't give candle. my view is i don't give a it costs to catch a how much it costs to catch these fraudsters. if it costs twice as much to go and prosecute get try and prosecute them and get try and get money back that lost, get the money back that we lost, i'd rather that and send a i'd rather do that and send a message. you never off message. you never britain off again them get away with. >> absolutely. and i think, you know, there are many, many questions which will obviously come in baroness hallett come out in baroness hallett covid know, the

covid inquiry. but you know, the fast channels from covid inquiry. but you know, the fast hancock's1annels from covid inquiry. but you know, the fast hancock's pub els from covid inquiry. but you know, the fast hancock's pub landlord. matt hancock's pub landlord. >> absolutely. there's of >> absolutely. there's a lot of appetite of appetite for some sort of justice on that. >> i think whichever side of the political debate sit on political debate you sit on right. going to have more right. we're going to have more about party about the labour party conference don't conference next. don't go anywhere. is dewbs& co

listeners will know. but golders green is an area in london which is , you know, as a very . good is, you know, as a very. good evening, this is dewbs& co with me bev turner this evening, while michelle takes a well—earned earned holiday, you've been getting in touch at home you know, you've been home and you know, you've been saying lovely things. >> such difficult >> it's such a difficult conversation, talking the conversation, talking about the israeli so israeli situation. it's so inflammatory sides. inflammatory on so many sides. and all been and actually you've all been incredibly . micah incredibly complimentary. micah said, send a message to said, i must send a message to say and her team on israel say bev and her team on israel have been spot on. the summary by was superb by alex dean was superb explanation , clarity. explanation, clarity. description of fine, clear summary situation. anne summary of the situation. anne thanks well to joe. great thanks as well to joe. great amidst most of amidst the most awful of circumstances i couldn't agree more and well on youtube being brilliant, not on me, just just brilliant, not on me, justjust to be just to be clear when they

said it was you too, when they said it was you too, when they said it was you too, tonight i breathed a sigh of relief. i said, well, none of us are middle east political experts, let's this is let's be honest. but this is a massive, massive event in the last three days. in terms of last three days. and in terms of the labour party conference, terry has said, can we tie down the labour party conference, terthese said, can we tie down the labour party conference, terthese promises we tie down the labour party conference, terthese promises that.ie down the labour party conference, terthese promises that labour| the labour party conference, ter making? mises that labour| the labour party conference, ter making? they're1at labour| the labour party conference, ter making? they're sayingourl are making? they're saying they're rebuild they're going to rebuild britain. is going to britain. how long is it going to take? the timeline? take? what's the timeline? where's the fictitious non—dom money from and how long money coming from and how long will it dries up? will it last if it dries up? what's the plan? and that's because today because rachel reeves said today she allow for non—dom she wouldn't allow for non—dom status to live here. have to status to live here. you have to pay status to live here. you have to pay your take go down pay your tax take will go down significantly if a government pursues that because people who have ultra high worth are have ultra high net worth are very fleet of foot and they make their least in their decisions, at least in part based on what have to pay- >> and people say, oh, there's all sorts of cultural issues that keep people here. yeah, up to copper. to a point. lord copper. >> yes, institute of fiscal >> yes, but institute of fiscal studies that even if 100 studies reckon that even if 100 people, because it's a very small number of people, but with a large amount of money. >> even of them, >> but even if 100 of them, let's say three, 400 people who

would fall into that category left the country , you would left the country, you would still raise a signifi ficant amount. i mean, you know, they are sort of spending it many times over . yeah. are sort of spending it many times over. yeah. but i think it's about message. it's about nuance. it's about this sense of the tories looking after their mates, being wealthy, you know, the richest prime minister >> that's it's an easy it's an easy win. >> but i think rachel reeves because she's an economist, because she's an economist, because she's an economist, because she's got that background with the bank of england and people take her seriously in business and the world of economics , i think, you world of economics, i think, you know, it has a little bit more resonant resonance than it just coming out. you're right. >> she has she has immense credibility in that area. a lot of you are saying that it was a speech full of style and no substance. laughable says jean, to consider that labour will improve country's finances. improve the country's finances. look , look at london, look at wales, look at london, vote labour, lose the use of your car and have your council tax doubled . and now it was

tax doubled. and now it was a speech of social class today actually. and as you were saying, joe, it's very easy to play saying, joe, it's very easy to play that particularly emotive card quite quickly because rishi sunaks family are so are so rich and there's an interesting poll that's just come out which shows that's just come out which shows that working class people who were a key part of the coalition of voters that delivered the conservatives at 2019 general election are saying that they're deserting the conservative party in droves. and only 44% of working class voters who voted for the tories would now back them. that's >> so to just a two part response. the first is i think the labour party is quite ill advised to have a go at people's backgrounds, especially with this most diverse cabinet in history. and i think people mistake made the mistake of just looking at what they think the size of somebody's wallet is rather thinking about what rather than thinking about what their and where their background is and where they've come from. and if you look at the cohort of sunak and the who around him the people who are around him and may not the next and may or may not be the next leaders the conservative leaders of the conservative party, it's an incredibly

diverse badenoch to diverse group from badenoch to braverman sunak braverman to cleverly sunak himself forth, of himself and so forth, and of course educated, course all privately educated, i don't and no, i don't don't know. and no, i don't think kemi badenoch was actually . but doesn't. i'm not sure she was. but look, let's make it clear right. and clear i wasn't right. and i still think it's a mistake to have at people's putting have a go at people's putting their you well, their kids like you are. well, that's. is that a compliment or not? i don't the not? i don't know. in the current world anyway . so that current world anyway. so that was one. was part one. >> wasn't either, by the way. sure. >> i think having people's backgrounds is mistake backgrounds is a mistake and a lot of people think to themselves that's actually a bit below belt. the second below the belt. but the second thing about this labour party's approach about approach and your point about seeking working seeking to attract the working class may currently class vote, people may currently be disenchanted with the state of play. it doesn't necessarily mean their vote goes to the labour they're not, which labour party. they're not, which is polling is. is what your polling is. >> is so interesting >> this is what's so interesting about poll, joe, that about the poll, joe, is that they're vote for reform they're going to vote for reform for or not bother or not for reclaim or not bother or not bother or that's a real worry. >> i mean, these smaller parties which are which i think could be caused significant, i think it's, you know, as said it's, you know, as we said before we remember neil

before, we all remember neil kinnock, you know, the sheffield rally when we were. >> all right, everybody thought it was in the bag. >> course wasn't. and >> and of course it wasn't. and john surprised everybody john major surprised everybody by winning that 1992 election. so labour is very well aware and there is a lot of discipline in there is a lot of discipline in the labour party now under keir starmer that, you know, this is not about complacently, it is theirs to lose. but anything can happen between just remind us what happened with, with the kinnock. >> kinnock did a massive rally in sheffield where he we're all right he a weird , weird cry right he a weird, weird cry we're all right but it was at the time he made the speech about militant liverpool , a about militant in liverpool, a labour council, a labour council sending people in taxis to hand out their redundancy notices. and was a great speech. so he and it was a great speech. so he was taking on the pirate captain who is the leader of liverpool council merseyside , and it who is the leader of liverpool courutter merseyside , and it who is the leader of liverpool courutter chaos eyside , and it who is the leader of liverpool courutter chaos andie , and it who is the leader of liverpool courutter chaos and you and it who is the leader of liverpool courutter chaos and you know, was utter chaos and you know, the city was imploding . the city was imploding. >> i mean, it's interesting, isn't it? they're back in liverpool but but liverpool today, but yeah, but and he did. and you know, neil kinnock is, is and a great

kinnock is, is and was a great orator . sure. but he, you know orator. sure. but he, you know they assumed they were going to win . win. >> if we boil it down now >> but so if we boil it down now your be about people your point would be about people not being less than certain they will did last will vote the way they did last time. the point is that if time. yeah, the point is that if you look polling now, it you look at polling now, it doesn't actually show despite how starmer is doing in the how well starmer is doing in the polls, of belief polls, some surge of new belief in a leader. indeed, in starmer as a leader. indeed, he and the prime minister sort of and neck and sometimes of neck and neck and sometimes the prime minister is ahead of him. what it shows is that him. and what it shows is that people people are big swell him. and what it shows is that pedon't people are big swell him. and what it shows is that pedon't knowzople are big swell him. and what it shows is that pedon't know and> are big swell him. and what it shows is that pe don't know and thee big swell him. and what it shows is that pe don't know and the don'thell in don't know and the don't knows are made up wildly disproportionately of people who voted means the challenge for which means the challenge for the tory party is hard, but it's identifiable and back your identifiable and win back your own identifiable and win back your oerut you know what's >> but you know what's fascinating after the fascinating is that after the conference week, rishi conference last week, rishi sunak a bounce sunak did not get a bounce in the he didn't, the polls. he didn't, which would be incredibly disappointing to him. well, i think, know, questions think, you know, the questions to as to why, we've to be asked as to why, but we've got move on. i think we need got to move on. i think we need to take break. we can ask to take a break. we can ask those. we'll answer those questions. we've got take questions. we've got to take another go another quick break. don't go anywhere quick anywhere after this quick break. the menopause. alex

the male menopause. alex is alex is here. you're getting a bit of a hot flush here. and apparently you take a year work. you can take a year off work. full one nhs trusts full page with one nhs trusts and isn't a trans issue. and this isn't a trans issue. this is men. so are we medicalizing what is basically life's our life's vicissitudes. our emotions . so don't go

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£3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. good evening. thank you for joining me. while i keep the chair warm for michelle, she's on holiday this week . dewbs& co on holiday this week. dewbs& co with me bev turner alex dean and joe phillips. thankfully are still right this is still here right now. this is one of those stories that you just have to pause and think this can't be true. well, this is an nhs trust that is now recognising that the male menopause, it is a clinical condition. apparently when men's testosterone levels drop. but now these paramedic within this trust are being offered a year on full pay. joe for the male menopause. what's why what's happened to us? well that's not strictly true . strictly true. >> it's they are entitled to

sick pay. and they would still have to presumably go to their doctor or get , you know, put doctor or get, you know, put sick notes or whatever. sick pay- sick notes or whatever. sick pay. yes. well i mean, you know, you and i as women would think this is ridiculous. we might also think, actually, if men had penod also think, actually, if men had period pains, childbirth , period pains, childbirth, endometriosis and all the other, they'd be making the most of it. well, or we'd have found cures and pain relief a lot earlier than we're having to put up with. but i think typical talking about me whilst i'm here, i'm not sure how does your womb, alex, how are you menopausal. >> don't you worry your pretty little head about you girls talk. >> but i think this is it's a wider issue , isn't it? it's wider issue, isn't it? it's about the medicalisation an of things . is about the medicalisation an of things. is that. yeah. about the medicalisation an of things . is that. yeah. feelings things. is that. yeah. feelings i suppose. and this sense that everything has, you know, which isn't to denigrate very real symptoms and very real mental health issues beyond this one trust. >> it's been true in, in dozens

of pieces of guidance in prisons and in educational establishments and in hospitals that the manner pause should be recognised, which is, of course ridiculous because in order to suffer the menopause , you need suffer the menopause, you need to stop menstruating to stop menstruating, you need to have menstruating, you need to have menstruating to start with which menstruating to start with which men can't do which is completely ridiculous. >> okay , so this is about when >> okay, so this is about when testosterone levels reduce in men , which used to be called a men, which used to be called a midlife crisis or crisis would normally be when you go and get a fast car, a motorbike, a tattoo and possibly a younger girlfriend. >> but what we're now doing is we're using this we're pathologize using this stage and it stage of life and giving it a medical definition , which is medical definition, which is brilliant for pharmaceutical companies . companies. >> one, you take the >> and so one, you take the stages, first, and stages, medicalize it first, and then weaponize it and say, well, you can no longerjudge me for my absurd behaviour because i'm going the menopause. you going through the menopause. you suddenly when we once suddenly mean that when we once would said to somebody, would have said to somebody, pull together, pull yourself together, perhaps look perhaps one look in the mirror, perhaps one stiff to bed, up stiff drink, go to bed, wake up tomorrow, shave and work

tomorrow, shave and go to work instead. this sorry. instead. oh, this is i'm sorry. i'm very sympathetic. lots of therapy you and no blame therapy for you and no blame attached as up to a attached as you take up to a year off work. absurd >> well, i think. i think we need look at how we deal with need to look at how we deal with with the normal feelings of anxiety and nerves because we are in we use this word crisis . are in we use this word crisis. >> joe. well, everything's a blooming crisis, isn't it? but we are in a mental health crisis at the moment and for sure there are people out there who are really, really suffering and we've already had long term sick. >> yes, but unfashionably 6 million people this million people in this country are term. unfashionably are off long term. unfashionably enough. as far as i know, i have no mental health conditions currently, but you know, it's only a matter of time before we're medicalized and indeed we're all medicalized and indeed thinking any thinking you don't have any problems is probably a problem in and of itself. >> do you make of this >> what do you make of this then, the public sector then, joe? so the public sector average sick days is 10.6 days. good sector, good grief. private sector, average days is 5.8 half in average sick days is 5.8 half in the private sector. >> i mean, it's not really surprising. >> civil service >> civil service >> well, it's easier. you know ,

>> well, it's easier. you know, to take time off, you mean? >> yes, because and maybe in the private sector , you know, it's private sector, you know, it's smaller organisations and things likel mean, there are very many >> i mean, there are very many genuine and mental genuine reasons and mental health genuine issue for health is a genuine issue for many it is also a crisis many people. it is also a crisis for hospitals and the police who quite often have to deal with it. and i think this report from the nhs confederation talks about with mental health about people with mental health episodes waiting up to 50 hours in a&e. but but and there is a shortage of mental health specialists. but we are, as you say, in huge danger of medical. we started this programme talking about israel and the horror of what's going on there . we haven't even mentioned to thousand people dead in afghanistan . those are real afghanistan. those are real things. that's with the earthquakes. that's what's going on in ukraine. we need to slightly get a grip. >> yes , this is this is part of >> yes, this is this is part of the issue, though, isn't it, alex? is that we've we do have a we have a we have a safe existence. and we have a sort of

spiritual vacuum, let's call it, to some extent at and in the absence of life problems, people create some for themselves . create some for themselves. >> you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> it's looking abroad and >> it's worth looking abroad and seeing people have real seeing where people have real problems, realising how lucky we are getting on with it. are and then getting on with it. >> why? is it so >> but why? why is it so unfashionable to say the pull yourself together thing , pull yourself together thing, pull yourself together thing, pull yourself together? because you know when i think if i'm know, joe, when i think if i'm having a rough day or the kids are winding me up or me co—present was winding me up, you know, i think what you know, i think about what i could do to make me happy. and i go for a swim or i go for a walk. >> yeah, absolutely. well yes. and we're lucky that we're able to do know we're fit to do that. know we're fit enough and we've got access to it. you know, i'm very lucky i swim day. you? swim every day. do you? >> that's thing as well. >> that's your thing as well. >> that's your thing as well. >> love swimming. it's my >> i love swimming. it's my meditation. i've meditation. but you know, i've also to fresh air. i also got access to fresh air. i love gardening, lots of people don't those things for don't have those things for whatever are whatever reasons. they are either appalling either living in appalling housing they've got too many housing or they've got too many pressures around them. you know, there are people dealing with looking after elderly, elderly

parents that. parents and things like that. all things . but there all of those things. but there are, know , and it is for are, you know, and it is for every self—help book that sells that then gets into a remainder shop or into the oxfam bookshop, they are the little things. >> and i'm thinking about it. it is a little, but i'm thinking particularly about the younger generation, you know, the teenager is the young 20s who will to the doctor to say, will go to the doctor to say, i'm just been told all the time to be worried. >> and if told from the >> and if you're told from the time very small to be time you're very small to be worried the time, guess worried all the time, guess what? you worry, right? >> joe phillips, >> alex steen, joe phillips, thank you for helping me through my of the week. my first evening of the week. i will back gb news with will be back on gb news with britain's newsroom tomorrow morning andrew morning at 930 with andrew pierce. up next, nigel pierce. but up next, it's nigel farage. have a lovely evening. i'll see you first thing in the morning and then i'll be back here on wednesday evening. and i'll through the of i'll carry through the rest of the week. wednesday, thursday, friday. one. hello there. >> i'm greg and welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast. we'll see some patchy low and fog developing, low cloud and fog developing, particularly across southern parts and wales, parts of england and wales, but further pushing into

further heavy rain pushing into scotland. that's courtesy of weather fronts pushing through over next few days . this over the next few days. this weather front are dividing line between warm air to the south and to come and colder air trying to come into north by the middle of into the north by the middle of the week. we've already that into the north by the middle of the wand we've already that into the north by the middle of the wand rain'e already that into the north by the middle of the wand rain spilling y that cloud and rain spilling into parts of ireland, parts of northern ireland, pushing western as pushing into western scotland as we this evening we move through this evening into early hours, elsewhere into the early hours, elsewhere turning grey, there'll be turning quite grey, there'll be some mist and low cloud developing end of the developing by the end of the night, across south night, particularly across south western parts of the uk and fairly temperatures for all fairly mild temperatures for all staying up in double figures . so staying up in double figures. so it's a wet start across scotland to start tuesday morning . to start tuesday morning. outbreaks of heavy rain which will continue to push slowly south eastwards through the day here. we could see some here. so we could see some further flooding issues brightening parts of brightening up across parts of england some low england and wales, some low cloud though, lingering cloud, though, lingering across southern . plenty of southern counties. plenty of hazy sunshine here lifting temperatures to around 23 or 24, turning increasingly windy across the northern half of the uk as weather fronts push in those weather fronts slowly push their way southwards into

wednesday, turning heavy at times, particularly across parts of wales. north, of wales. further north, brighter , sunny spells and brighter, sunny spells and scattered showers , particularly scattered showers, particularly across scotland. some across northwest scotland. some of these heavy at times quite muggy across southern parts of the uk under that cloud and rain a bit fresher further north and turning cooler as we head towards weekend

>> good evening. well, horrendous events in israel will try and make some sense of it tonight if we possibly can. of course , it's the labour party course, it's the labour party conference, big speech today by rachel reeves and i have to say, in the light of what's happening in the light of what's happening in israel, lucky for them that jeremy corbyn is not still leader and the supreme court today has been hearing day one of rwanda challenge. we'll of the rwanda challenge. we'll find out what happened in the courtroom today. can the government actually win to get

this key policy through? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst i >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, with the time at 7:00, our latest news story is that hamas has threatened to kill hostages if israel continues attacks without warning . the terrorist warning. the terrorist organisation says it's going to begin executing israeli captives in return for any new bombing of civilian houses . without a civilian houses. without a warning, the country has declared war on hamas after the terrorist group launched an attack at the weekend. more than 800 people are reported to have died, so far in israel, and the number in gaza is 500. since then , israel has ordered then, israel has ordered a complete siege on gaza , wanting complete siege on gaza, wanting to cut off food supplies , to cut off food supplies, electricity and fuel to the palestinian territory. this afternoon, the un afternoon, the u n secretary—general, afternoon, the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, said the siege is

deeply distressing