hamas after the declared war on hamas after the terrorist group launched an attack at the weekend. more than 800 people are reported to have died, so far in israel, and the number in gaza is 500. since then , israel has ordered then, israel has ordered a complete siege on gaza , wanting complete siege on gaza, wanting to cut off food supplies , to cut off food supplies, electricity and fuel to the palestinian territory. this afternoon, the un afternoon, the u n secretary—general, afternoon, the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, said the siege is deeply distressing . deeply distressing. >> the humanitarian situation in gaza was extremely dire before these hostilities only deteriorate exponentially . deteriorate exponentially. medical equipment and food, fuel and other humanitarian supplies are desperately needed , along are desperately needed, along with access for humanitarian personnel , relief and entry of personnel, relief and entry of essential supplies into gaza must be facilitated. and the un will continue efforts to provide aid to respond to these needs . aid to respond to these needs. as >> meanwhile, here at home,

scotland's first minister says his wife's parents are trapped in gaza after visiting family humza yousaf , who unequivocally humza yousaf, who unequivocally condemned the hamas attacks at the weekend, says he's not sure if his parents in law will make it through the night. speaking after a cobra meeting today, the foreign secretary, james cleverly said hamas hamas's attack rather, is unprecedented i >> we reaffirmed our support to israel in its self—defence against this terrorist attack perpetrated by hamas against unarmed civilians . in many unarmed civilians. in many instances , i've been speaking instances, i've been speaking with foreign ministers from around the region and beyond the prime minister has engaged with the israeli prime minister and will be engaging with our allies. this is an ongoing situation and of course we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses .

situation progresses. >> james cleverly there, speaking earlier on. well, as you've been hearing, the government is defending its plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda in the supreme court today. sir james eadie, kc, representing the home office, told the court the home office, told the court the policy is safe and lawful despite the east african country being less attractive to migrants than the uk. meanwhile a lawyer representing a number of asylum seekers said rwanda's asylum system is woefully deficient. marked by unfairness and serious safeguarding issues that comes after the court of appeal ruled the policy was unsafe as there was a risk that rwanda could send migrants back to their country of origin . here to their country of origin. here more than 400 criminals have been jailed for a total of over 3700 years after an operation by the metropolitan police . s the metropolitan police. s operation eternal investigated organised crime groups over a three and a half year period by targeting an encrypted messaging platform. more than three tonnes

of class a and class b drugs and nearly 50 weapons were seized in the largest ever operation of its kind by the met with the force, calling it unprecedented . this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good evening, will. it began on saturday morning with thousands of rockets being fired into to israel. there were also ground attacks and even paraglider is being used to attack a music festival, something like 10,000 rockets have now been fired into israel from gaza . and i have to say, from gaza. and i have to say, maybe 900, maybe a thousand people now being killed in israel. several hundred, of course , being killed with course, being killed with counter attacks that have taken place. aerial counter attacks in gaza itself. the numbers of

that, we don't know , maybe 4 or that, we don't know, maybe 4 or 500, perhaps it's even more than that. ten britons are thought to be amongst those who have been killed . apart from being killed. apart from being slightly shocked with it all, it was the 50th anniversary, of course, of the previous war, the yom kippur war that took place. i was stunned at the failure of intelligence . yes, absolutely intelligence. yes, absolutely stunned that the americans hadn't picked something up and that the israelis themselves who take intelligence very seriously, did not feel something was coming. the egyptian intelligence minister has claimed today that he gave them ten days notice that something very sinister and very bad was about to happen . but bad was about to happen. but israel denied this . i have to israel denied this. i have to say, my initial response , yes, say, my initial response, yes, on saturday and into sunday was one of real anger at the bbc. they kept referring to palestinian militants. that was the word they used militants as if somehow they're just political protesters will. of course, they're nothing of the

kind. they are obscene terror ist mass murderers . and one of ist mass murderers. and one of the factors that i think has led to this is the deal with iran struck by president biden not so long ago, which freed up $6 billion for the iranians to use. and by the way, we're not exempt from this because as eu members for many, many years, we were giving money to various palestinian organisations, often not asking how the money was actually going to be spent. i do believe that weak american leadership has led directly to the war in ukraine and been at least not a contributory factor into what is going on in israel today . where do we go from here? today. where do we go from here? it's not simple. as you know , it's not simple. as you know, they have taken hostages as those hostages have gone into gaza. those hostages have gone into gaza . gaza is one of the most gaza. gaza is one of the most heavily populated parts of the world. about 2.4 million people living in that small territory. now, clearly , israel has to

now, clearly, israel has to fight back . it has to do its fight back. it has to do its best to try to eliminate hamas. the problem is that in doing so, we're likely to see not just the execution of hostages, but possibly very large civilian casualties, too . we are in a casualties, too. we are in a very, very bad place. but be in no doubt a sovereign, democratic nafion no doubt a sovereign, democratic nation . it may not be perfect by nation. it may not be perfect by any means, but the sovereign democratic nation of israel has been viciously attacked and we have to stand 100% behind them . have to stand 100% behind them. now, i talked about that festival that took place in the desert. the supernova festival , desert. the supernova festival, a festival of joy , people a festival of joy, people staying for a couple of days . staying for a couple of days. and nadav morag is a survivor of that attack and joins me live now down the line from tel aviv. well you've been through the most horrific experience . yes, most horrific experience. yes, i understand 250 people killed and many wounded as well . how how

many wounded as well. how how quickly did this all occur ? quickly did this all occur? >> hello . i'm very excited to be >> hello. i'm very excited to be here. thank you for having me. and it was all very quick . what and it was all very quick. what started as a normal rocket attacks that we got used to it about 40 minutes after the first rocket launch , we started rocket launch, we started heanng rocket launch, we started hearing a rifle shot and a . an hearing a rifle shot and a. an and terrorist coming to us from the south, from north. and it was all happening very fast . and was all happening very fast. and they even used they even used paragliders to attack this this concert. >> i've seen the pictures of paragliders with people on them with guns . i mean, this was just with guns. i mean, this was just so this was from what i can see of it. and you were there. this was just indiscriminate murder . was just indiscriminate murder. >> yes . there was no it didn't

>> yes. there was no it didn't have to do anything with war. it was just a i would like to share my story. i mean, we were just, you know, partying and celebrating life with beautiful people and no army near us. and terrorists just guess they knew about it or heard about it. and they just came wasn't there to see how how they slaughtered everyone but the but it was just a they came to kill civilians. they didn't have any other to kill and take hostage. a lot of many, many israelis from the party are now in gaza being held hostage and yes , and.

hostage and yes, and. >> and how do you feel, nadav ? i >> and how do you feel, nadav? i mean, do you do you feel that israel has to fight back as as hard as it can? >> i think my opinion right now is not what matters because i was there. i'm affected with the my own personal experience. i think israel has to play smart. sure. yes if you ask my opinion, we i would love to see hamas. the leave the gaza and no trace of them. and i know that there are many good people in gaza , are many good people in gaza, but the hamas is just terrorising everything and they spread hatred . and it has to be spread hatred. and it has to be stopped . stopped. >> well, yes, it has to be stopped, but it's been going on for a very, very long time. and

i guess it's not likely that it's going to stop soon. listen, you know, you've been through an horrendous experience. you've seen some absolutely shocking things . and i want to just say things. and i want to just say thank you for joining things. and i want to just say thank you forjoining us live thank you for joining us live down the line from tel aviv . down the line from tel aviv. thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. yeah no, no, thank you. >> well , there you are. there's >> well, there you are. there's somebody he seemed really quite cool and collected, given the extraordinary experience that he's gone through . and we have he's gone through. and we have done our best, i think, here on gb news to stop, you know, some of the awful, gory details . now, of the awful, gory details. now, when you hear the news and you hear about gaza and you hear about all these different geographical locations , i wonder geographical locations, i wonder whether you're like over 90% of the population that you really don't know. and understand the geography and the history of this region . in a minute, i'm this region. in a minute, i'm going to have an expert with me from chatham house. we're going to show you the map, show you

how the land lies and explain what the difficulties are going on from

radio. >> well , i'm. radio. >> well, i'm. i'm joined by professor yossi mekelberg. he is a fellow of chatham house and a middle east expert. and i made the point, yossi, before the break, we hear about all these places on the news, but people's knowledge not that great. so knowledge is not that great. so take us to the very start, take us back to the very start, the formation of israel. >> good evening, >> all right. good evening, nigel. what do you look here in the map between the jordan river? you know, the dead sea, the and the the sea of galilee and the mediterranean sea all the way to the to the gaza strip. this is what used to be mandatory palestine . that was the british palestine. that was the british mandate. yes post 19, 1918, in 1947, the united nations decided on partition resolution 181 to for a jewish state and an arab

state between the sides. there was disagreement eventually , in was disagreement eventually, in may 1948, israel declared independence . a war ensued. independence. a war ensued. israel expanded. if, according to the partition plan, israel should have had, the jewish state should have have a 65% of the land and 3535 to the palestinians. this so yet then it changed. and what we see now is that following the war, the west bank on the right. yes. and gaza constitute . only 2,222% of gaza constitute. only 2,222% of mandatory palestine . in 1967, mandatory palestine. in 1967, israel managed during the six day war occupy and the sinai peninsula all the way to sharm el sheikh the golan, the golan heights and the west bank in gaza. golan heights is still occupied . the sinai peninsula

occupied. the sinai peninsula was returned in the peace agreement of 1979 with egypt and what remained is peace with the palestinians . that hasn't palestinians. that hasn't arrived, even following the oslo agreement. and we're a palestinian state should be formed. the west bank and gaza. what we see right now is actually because also not only the geographically divided there, also politically divided west bank is ruled and governed by the fatah movement. the more secular pa and the pa is ruling and gaza after the election in 2006 is actually governed by hamas . hamas. >> it's governed by hamas. they are they are in they are in control . control. >> well, bear in mind, they won the election the last elections 17 years ago. they won the election , but the world refused election, but the world refused to recognise it. they basically, after a short civil war, the attacks , the attacks have all attacks, the attacks have all come from gaza right now as we speak in the last few years, and definitely the last few months,

violence in the west bank is on the increase , whether it's the increase, whether it's palestinian militants, but also settler violence, which is getting worse and worse. what we constantly right now in the last nearly three days is what happens with gaza, because hamas militants embarked on an operation. see land, a sea, land and air and penetrated into into into into israel. >> okay. i hope, folks, that is helpful. gives you some idea of what we're talking about now . we what we're talking about now. we have had some very firm responses today that have come from the prime minister rishi sunak, and from the shadow foreign secretary, david lammy. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen:retary, david lammy. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to tary, david lammy. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what)avid lammy. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they lammy. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they had my. sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they had to i. just listen to what they had to say . say. >> hamas and the people that support hamas are fully responsible for appalling , responsible for appalling, appalling acts of terrorism. we should call it out for what it is citizens of israel are being murdered and innocent people have been kidnapped , including have been kidnapped, including children . obviously, that's children. obviously, that's

shocking. and it's horrifying. and they should be held accountable for that. and what i've said to the israeli prime minister is that we will provide all the support that they need to make sure that israel can defend itself against these kinds of attacks. now we already have a very long standing relationship with israel . we're relationship with israel. we're one of the strongest allies. we've provided in the past. the kinds of equipment that they've used to defend themselves over the couple of days . and as the past couple of days. and as i said to the prime minister we will to provide , will continue to provide, whether that's diplomatic intelligence or security support as they need . as they need. >> labour utterly condemns hamas , this appalling attack on israel . labour stands firmly in israel. labour stands firmly in support of israel's right to defend itself , support of israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens. >> there will not be a just and lasting peace until israel is secure. >> palestine is a sovereign

state and both israelis and palestinians enjoy secure parity, dignity and human rights. >> well, david lammy being very strong there. in a moment, we will go up to liverpool and speak to lloyd russell—moyle , speak to lloyd russell—moyle, labour mp, about his response to all this. kept the all of this. but i've kept the professor a moment. israel professor for a moment. israel spends a fortune every year on intelligence . they pride intelligence. they pride themselves on intelligence . so themselves on intelligence. so whether or not the egyptian intelligence minister is right with his claim, the israelis have denied it . with his claim, the israelis have denied it. something has gone catastrophically wrong here, it? here, hasn't it? >> think this one thing for >> i think this one thing for sure, the intelligence community got it badly wrong. it's always weird , this kind of warning from weird, this kind of warning from egypt. it takes us back 50 years to 1973 because all the story of an agent or double agent, ashraf mannan at the time providing the information and that's the problem. when there is cognitive closure among the leadership, whether the military establishment or the political establishment or the political establishment , they look, they establishment, they look, they have their own people option and

they attack won't happen because, for instance, hamas has no interest anymore in military struggle. we don't see the military capabilities and more more than that is the assumption was that if there will be troubles, bear in mind the last month was mainly jewish holidays . yeah. so the fear was it offered the situation would flare up in the west bank so units will move to the west bank. and while the west bank was quiet, the disaster struck actually in gaza and it is a disaster now, israel clearly can't just stand there and do nothing. >> they are going to go to i would have thought they're going to go into gaza physically try and root out hamas. but the problem is it's very densely populated. there'd a lot of populated. there'd be a lot of civilian won't there? populated. there'd be a lot of civiagain, won't there? populated. there'd be a lot of civiagain, one won't there? populated. there'd be a lot of civiagain, one of'on't there? populated. there'd be a lot of civiagain, one of the there? populated. there'd be a lot of civiagain, one of the things we >> again, one of the things we saw on the map, gaza is a really small place 360km2. the home of 2 million people, most of them refugees, including refugee camps. any idea of entry being

entering into gaza and fighting door to door would be horrific. it can be can be horrific for both sides. yes. and this was exactly what the security forces, the idf tried to avoid. all these years. there was pressure before that go and eliminate hamas. but this is the nightmare scenario for everyone. the problem is hamas pushed israel to a corner that it has to react. it has to reassert itself, the deterrence, to reassert itself. but i think it should come with a caveat and a big warning here to israel, to hamas succeeded, so to speak, militarily , probably more than militarily, probably more than it did envisaged, because as there was no defence as a result of it, it pushed israel to probably to react more than it ever wanted. the need , even at ever wanted. the need, even at this terrible time, the calls for revenge and maybe the blood is boiling always think about the day after the war. always plan for the peace after that.

what situation and how you want to leave gaza more . most of the to leave gaza more. most of the it's not most of 1990 9.99% and more of palestinian and live in gaza. and bear in mind they lived under blockade under siege for many years now have nothing to do with hamas is nothing to do with militancy hitting the hamas is one thing, causing also responding with atrocity is with more atrocity is not. >> but as you say, they've been pushed into a corner. but us, thank you for coming in, giving us your expertise. we'll get you back over the course of the next couple and we can show couple of weeks and we can show you footage now of a vigil you some footage now of a vigil thatis you some footage now of a vigil that is going on in paris. there was a small vigil that took place earlier on in london. by the looks it, paris one the looks of it, the paris one is quite some size. let's go is of quite some size. let's go straight up to the labour conference in liverpool and be joined by the labour member of parliament for brighton, kemptown russell—moyle, kemptown lloyd russell—moyle, who joins me live . down the line who joins me live. down the line . lloyd, hello . i'm thinking if

. lloyd, hello. i'm thinking if jeremy corbyn had still been leader of the labour party, given that he classed hamas as being friends, this would have been some thing of a disaster for your party. but david lammy pretty strong in his condemnation . condemnation. >> well, i don't think there should be any doubt that hamas have always been a brutal and horrible group of people. most reports , of course, say if there reports, of course, say if there was actually free and fair election in the gaza strip, hamas wouldn't get elected . and hamas wouldn't get elected. and we've now seen, of course , what we've now seen, of course, what they have been doing to their own people. all they are now, of course, going over the border and inflicting this awful tragedies and massacres on the israeli people. so it is it is no surprise to me because they are a horrible , brutal regime are a horrible, brutal regime that don't have the support of the vast majority of palestinians . and prior to this palestinians. and prior to this this moment . palestinians. and prior to this this moment. so i think it's quite right. the labour party's position here and i'm very

pleased that we are pushing to say that things need to be done under international law. and what's what hamas did clearly breaches those principles and there needs to be some sort of reaction. it needs to be moderated. it needs to be, as you last speaker said, you need to think about the peace of the day after to ensure that you don't make things worse . don't make things worse. >> you've been yourself heavily associated with the palestinian cause, both in brighton and in parliament and elsewhere . and, parliament and elsewhere. and, you know, our hamas, the best that the free palestine cause have got . have got. >> no, i mean. well, first of all, hamas are not the main government for the west bank. of course, that is fatah. and there is a you know, where there have been more democratic elections . been more democratic elections. there are other left wing and social democratic parties in palestine that are active. of course, they are not active in in gaza. our sister party leader has been got a fatwa against her

by hamas, you know, kind of a palestinian sister party. i mean, so there are plenty of people in palestinians that really want a democratic and peaceful future, one where sovereignty is ensured and they are treated as a state which they are under international law. but not, of course , one law. but not, of course, one where they murder other innocent people. that's not acceptable . people. that's not acceptable. >> no, of course not. lloyd to liverpool , to the big speech liverpool, to the big speech today that we got from rachel reeves, the shadow, the shadow chancellor. well she certainly delivered it with quite a lot of vim and vigour, there's no doubt about that. was there any substance there ? substance there? >> well, i think there was substance. there was substance around the fact that the labour is going to clamp down on this waste and on unfairness and i think that is the principle of laboun think that is the principle of labour, is it not, where you see money going to the cronies of the conservative party , the conservative party, corruption and unfairness . corruption and unfairness. labour will make sure we claw that back and not one of them

will get away with it. we will track them down in any corner of the earth that they have squirrelled their money away. no tax haven will be safe with our investigators and with our with our corruption tsars. we will make sure everyone pays their fair share. i think that is a really good place to start building other tax policies around. and that's what she laid out today. fairness where no one can escape their duty to contribute to our great country i >> well, i have to say, corruption starts to sound a little bit sinister to me, but hey, and let's remember that we go back a few years. >> it was only sinister. nigel, if you've been involved in corruption. >> no, no, no, no, no. it's just the idea that these people get appointed enormous powers the idea that these people get appttheyi enormous powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves10us powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves are powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves are notvers and they themselves are not accountable and accountable to anybody. and. and lloyd , you know, it's only a few lloyd, you know, it's only a few years were years ago that labour were giving peerages to any party giving out peerages to any party donor that came along. so is this different to new labour ? this different to new labour? well one of the great things of the gordon brown commission is

of course we will get rid of that temptation because we will get rid of this this awful house of lords and replace it with a chamber of the regions and the nations. >> so of course there are things that we learn our past as that we learn from our past as well. but we in the well. but we are in the situation of reacting to one of the very worst governments that we've awful long time we've had in an awful long time that has run down this country and has allowed their friends and has allowed their friends and mates to go laughing the and mates to go laughing all the way to the bank. and the same if you look about how foreign money has flooding in britain has come, flooding in to britain to up our housing stock and to buy up our housing stock and treat our homes as bullion in the streets and in the skies, we will end that as well with an increase in stamp duty for people that. these are the people like that. these are the policies that i think will make people realise that labour is working for britain. labour is prepared to govern. >> now it seems that i'm not there, many of colleagues there, but many of my colleagues are say that it's are and they say that it's really quite busy and quite buzzy there's huge amount buzzy and there's a huge amount of optimism in the air. is there not? lloyd russell—moyle a danger of that 1992 moment where

neil kinnock thought it's in the bag , we've got it. we've done , bag, we've got it. we've done, we're going to win this by a country mile. is there not a danger in this situation , ian, danger in this situation, ian, of a little bit of hubris beginning to creep in? >> there is always that danger and that's why keir has repeatedly warned us that we must not assume that this is in the bag, that we must keep pushing every single direction and i know that one of the things we're not going to do is assume any constituency is an easy fight. we are going to be on the ground in the streets, door to door, making sure that we that we that we win, that argument. >> well, there we are . lloyd >> well, there we are. lloyd russell—moyle the labour version of winston churchill in terms of the tactics they're going to operate during the general election campaign. thank you for joining me live from liverpool. in a moment, i'll be joined by liam halligan. let's get some economic analysis into what

rachel reeves had to say and in particular, the role of the office for budget responsibility. i wonder if she was to do this. what the point would be of electing anybody. all of that in a couple

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> we're going to stop the boats. we keep hearing that from the government. but of course so much of that in there minds is dependent on us being able to start sending people to rwanda. and as you know, there's been endless appeals and all of this. but today it got as far as the supreme court. this is the big one. and gb news is ray addison. was there in a nutshell. ray i mean, as simple as you can, what's really happening at the supreme court. >> so the supreme court court hearing, obviously, it's going to be over the today until wednesday. it's all about judgement and trust. it's the government's judgement that it

is safe to send migrants to rwanda. and they are saying that the court should trust that decision because they've got the expertise, they've got the people the ground and they've people on the ground and they've done the diligence. of done the due diligence. of course court is hearing course the court is hearing from representatives cases for the m i grants representatives cases for the migrants that that judgement is flawed and that rwanda is a very unsafe country and that their asylum system is not fit , fit asylum system is not fit, fit for purpose. >> and the united nations getting involved as well . getting involved as well. >> yeah, absolutely. they're going to be. kc representing the united nations is going to be speaking tomorrow in the court and they're going to be saying that rwanda lacks a fair and reliable , efficient asylum reliable, efficient asylum system , and they're going to be system, and they're going to be giving that evidence . i think giving that evidence. i think thatis giving that evidence. i think that is something that might surprise quite a lot of people to hear that that representation will place in. will be taking place in. >> i'm very surprised. i'm very surprised that united surprised that the united nafions surprised that the united nations getting involved nations is getting involved in a supreme ruling in our supreme court ruling in our country. now, even if the government were to win , there is government were to win, there is still the possibility , is there

still the possibility, is there not, of them being taken to the court in strasbourg? >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> this is where it gets politically very interesting . politically very interesting. >> does, because rishi sunak >> it does, because rishi sunak has to two journalists. has hinted to two journalists. he's indicated to two journalists if they win , journalists that if they win, they will ignore any other rulings , any other courts, and rulings, any other courts, and also any other individual claims by migrants. and they will just start going ahead with that. rwanda policy. now, i think what gets interesting there is if they do win by how much do they win? if it's 3 to 2 of those five judges or if it's all five, then i think maybe it's full steam ahead. if, you know, if it's only narrow victory, then it's only a narrow victory, then i you'll have some i think you'll have some question over how question marks. there over how legitimate really legitimate that decision really is it would look to the is and how it would look to the rest of international community. >> funny, though, isn't it? if you're you're to going you're if you're to going potentially just ignore what the european court of human rights says, he didn't says, i wonder why he didn't even mention it in his conference speech. that's the bit i'm struggling so bit that i'm struggling with. so three days hearings and then bit that i'm struggling with. so tijudgement hearings and then bit that i'm struggling with. so tijudgement .1earings and then a judgement. >> it could take a while. i'm

heanng >> it could take a while. i'm hearing between a month it could even be until the end of the yean even be until the end of the year. it's not something that's going to happen quickly. all five judges will go away. they'll make their own assessments and then they'll come together and they'll they'll figure out they'll sit down and figure out what what they've come what they've what they've come up up a up with and come up with a unified, wide decision. and that's hear that that's when we'll hear that result. nothing result. but nothing, nothing immediate politically, very, immediate but politically, very, very immediate but politically, very, verj radisson, thank very much >> radisson, thank you very much indeed. us in. i i can't indeed. keep us in. i i can't wait to hear what have to wait to hear what the un have to say tomorrow. so please come back let know on back and let us know why on earth they interfering? earth are they interfering? let's up to liverpool let's get back up to liverpool and going to join liam and we're going to join liam halligan. gb news is economics and business editor and a man who lives his life just on the road at conference after conference. so it would seem. liam good evening. to begin on with rachel reeves pretty, pretty confident delivery , pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery. >> but this was a speech that was very, very long on crowd

pleasing rhetoric . nigel and pleasing rhetoric. nigel and very short on actual policies , very short on actual policies, particularly policies which involve spending money. rachel reeves she's no fool. she knows that the government's already spending £110 billion a year on debt interest . the second debt interest. the second biggest item on the government's balance sheet after the nhs . she balance sheet after the nhs. she knows that uk government borrowing costs are at a 25 year high across the world and governments having to pay a lot to borrow because central banks are probably going to have to keep interest rates higher for longer than we previously expected. that pushes up government debt service costs and that's why the biggest announcement really from rachel reeves today . she said a little reeves today. she said a little bit of something on on planning reform, but she says she's going to increase the minimum wage. well, the good thing about a minimum you're minimum wage increase, if you're a is that a labour chancellor is that business for a minimum wage business pays for a minimum wage increase, not the government. >> yeah, well, that's right. it wouldn't be their responsibility. it's yeah, it's the small employer, medium the small employer, the medium

sized would finish sized employer that would finish up up the burden. now, up picking up the burden. now, lloyd russell—moyle at a moment ago, we're going ago, very bullish. we're going to hunt down tax evaders all over world. we're going to over the world. we're going to end non—dom status . and they end non—dom status. and they seem to really believe, liam, that they can bring in large sums of money by doing this. well what labour doesn't want to do, it doesn't want to impose tax rises on ordinary households i >> yeah, taxation is already at 70 year high. of course, but they do need to raise money because they want to spend money because they want to spend money because they're a labour government that's what their government and that's what their voters activists voters and their activists expect them to do. so what they're doing is they're going after tax rises, which they think will popular with the think will be popular with the broader . that means broader population. that means going after these non—dom wealthy people in the uk. wealthy people living in the uk. the trouble is labour say that will raise £3.5 billion, but a secret treasury study says no , a secret treasury study says no, a lot of these wealthy people will leave the uk. a lot of them already are leaving the uk. given the prospect of a labour

government, they'll spend less in and actually this in the uk and actually this non—dom manoeuvre cost the non—dom manoeuvre will cost the treasury money, says seeker . a treasury money, says seeker. a treasury money, says seeker. a treasury report costs £350 million. rather than raising £3.5 billion, the same time, another bone to throw the left of the labour party. we're going to scrap the vat exemption on private school fees and that's going to bring in 5 or £600 million. actually, it probably won't. if you talk to independent economists , because independent economists, because a lot of parents will simply stop sending their kids to independent school. the schools will have lower balance sheets. they'll pay less tax overall, and those kids will then have to go on to the state sector and you'll have find hundreds, you'll have to find hundreds, maybe thousands more places every local authority for kids of parents leaving the independent sector because they can't afford it when fees are put up effectively by a fifth, when that vat exemption is removed. there you have it. removed. so there you have it. labour don't want to spend any money, but rachel reeves does want present herself a want to present herself as a

kind of gordon brown throwback figure. she literally used the phrase i will be the iron chancellor like gordon brown. she's saying that she's going to make the office for budget responsibility a lot more powerful. lots of talk about liz truss and kwasi kwarteng and the fact they didn't refer their spending plans last october over in the mini—budget to the obr. we had a bit of a panic on financial markets. whose fault was that? historians will judge , rachel is very, , but rachel reeves is very, very keen on to be seen to be prudent , very keen on to be seen to be prudent, more prudent than the conservatives . hey nigel, taxes conservatives. hey nigel, taxes are so high at the lib dem conference, even the lib dems said we're going to abandon our traditional policy of putting a penny on income tax for public services so no wants to be services so no one wants to be seen raising taxes . liam let's seen raising taxes. liam let's those posh public schools or the uber rich . uber rich. >> let's get to the obr, shall we? again, one of these, one of these words that gets bandied aboutin these words that gets bandied about in the news and in the newspapers and actually just occasionally it's good to say, right? let's just redefine for

everybody is the obr who everybody what is the obr who actually appoints them. it's worth knowing . worth knowing. >> so the obr was set up by george osborne when he was chancellor in 2010in response to gordon brown. gordon brown, of course, was chancellor from 1997 for ten years before he became prime minister, after tony blair and gordon brown picked up a well deserved reputation, in my view, for fiddling with the figures and changing the growth assumptions. and, you know , a assumptions. and, you know, a new golden rule, changing the goalposts. so he didn't he wasn't seen to be failing any of his tests. and george osborne , his tests. and george osborne, tory incoming chancellor, wanted to put a stop to that. so he said, what he will do is set up an independent fiscal watchdog within whitehall , a separate but within whitehall, a separate but unked within whitehall, a separate but linked to the treasury . linked to the treasury. independent economists appointed by the chancellor , appointed by by the chancellor, appointed by committees to basically mark the government's homework work to say to the government, if you make this move on tax, if you make this move on tax, if you

make this move on tax, if you make this move on spending, your deficit is going to be this, your deficit is going to be that. the problem is, nigel, the obr has become so powerful , all obr has become so powerful, all their forecasts have become destiny. it's as if elected ministers can't do anything. they want to do unless the obr says it's fine. and of course no one knows who runs the obr, who the people are behind it, or where that power actually lies. so there's a democrat accountability issue here. >> no, there really is. i mean, you know, if you can't vote for people with different ideas on tax and spend, well, frankly, what's the point of voting for anybody? to give anybody? but she wants to give them power . all of them more power. all of that said, liam , how will the said, liam, how will the financial press tomorrow, in your view , to respond to rachel your view, to respond to rachel reeves speech ? reeves speech? >> well, i've written a piece on the gb news website saying that this speech , aside from the kind this speech, aside from the kind of class war rhetoric which i've mentioned, the crowd pleasing tubthumping barbs at wealthy people and so on, but this

speech, as i wrote in my piece on the gb news website, was basically for the financial markets to convince the financial markets that labour are prudent, that they won't spend too much money, that they won't borrow more than they should , or that we're not going should, or that we're not going to have some kind of gilt strike, as we call it, when the financial markets refuse to lend to the british government. crikey, it happened in 1976. you all remember that , nigel. even i all remember that, nigel. even i remember it. and i'm younger than you, mate. the international monetary fund under a labour government cap in hand, we had to be bailed out. it was our economic suez moment when the fact that britain was no longer a world class economy really came to the fore. it was for me that and the winter of discontent, which ushered in thatcherism that happened under a labour government. gordon brown spent a lot of time talking about being the iron chancellor, being prudent, talking about being the iron chancellor, being prudent , and chancellor, being prudent, and in order to counter that and now rachel reeves is doing the same look to her. she she look in credit to her. she she delivered speech really well delivered the speech really well . i thought it was balanced

between delegates here between what delegates here want and outside wants . but and the outside world wants. but be in no doubt, nigel, as the weeks months go by, the fact weeks and months go by, the fact that this shadow chancellor will not be wanting to see, to be spending money won't want to be pledging to borrow more money, won't want to be pledging to tax more to the left of the party. they will become increasingly impatient that increasingly impatient with that increasingly fractious and the two sides of the labour party are kind of hard left ideologues and the centrists who want power , the centrists who want power, the kind of, you know, new wave of blair ites, people like rachel reeves, they are going to come to blows . they are going to come to blows. they are going to come to blows. they are going to come to loggerheads. is keir starmer. tony blair enough? crikey, tony blair, as an adjective is keir starmer . tony blair enough to starmer. tony blair enough to keep that coalition together , or keep that coalition together, or are the left going to freak out and frighten the horses of middle england and blow this election ? election? >> liam halligan great analysis, great stuff. thank you very much indeed. and tomorrow , of course, indeed. and tomorrow, of course, we will get sir keir starmer's

speech as leader . after the speech as leader. after the break, i'm going to tell you a story. you may not know it, but it's a story about our history. yes, our history and slavery. and one that we should be enormously proud of. and i think should be taught to every single school kid in this country . stay school kid in this country. stay with me. let's have some good news about this country. and its past

eminent people like the archbishop of canterbury tell us regularly we should hang our heads in shame because of our role in slavery . in fact, you'd role in slavery. in fact, you'd think to listen to some people we were the only country in the history of mankind and ever to have in the activity. have engaged in the activity. but there is another really very, very big story that i bet many of you don't know. well, colin kemp is chairman of the west africa squadron memorial fund, and colin is going to tell

us about what happened in this country after we decide to aboush country after we decide to abolish slavery. colin good evening. >> i'm afraid i can't hear you. >> i'm afraid i can't hear you. >> you can't hear me. that's very bad news. that's very bad news indeed . right. we will try news indeed. right. we will try and sort out the technicals on this. so basically, after a very, very long campaign led by wilberforce and others , in the wilberforce and others, in the end, we do decide to abolish slavery in this country . but of slavery in this country. but of course, slavery, the slave trade is still taking place on an absolutely huge scale . and we absolutely huge scale. and we then decide that actually we are going to do something about it. and so we set up the west africa squadron, royal naval squadron , squadron, royal naval squadron, and over the next decade is what we do is we use the royal navy to stamp out slavery. we stop the other nations conducting slavery and shipping slaves to the americas, to the west

indies. colin kemp, i've got you back , colin. good evening . back, colin. good evening. >> good evening, nigel. >> good evening, nigel. >> i was just explaining the basics of what the west africa squadron was. just tell us how many years did we pursue this? our attempt to drive out slavery and at what cost ? and at what cost? >> okay. >> okay. >> the west africa squadron was formed in 1808, a year after we as the first country to abolish slavery , abolished slavery and slavery, abolished slavery and we operated until 1867. wow dunng we operated until 1867. wow during that time, we freed 150,000 slaves and lost 20,000 of our own men. now, the cost is interesting because at the height of its operation, the west africa squadron took half of the whole royal navy budget or 2% of britain's gdp . an or 2% of britain's gdp. an enormous expenditure . enormous expenditure. >> it is just the most astonishing story. and obviously we felt morally it was the right

thing to do. and yet colin, it appears to have been lost out, perhaps deliberately lost by those who don't wish us to think well about our own country . but well about our own country. but you're attempting, as i understand it, to get a proper memori cial to the 20,000 men. yes yes. >> i think i've lost you again . >> i think i've lost you again. >> i think i've lost you again. >> oh, dear. oh, dear, oh, dear. well this is absolutely hopeless. and very disappointing because colin is doing a fantastic job. now what he's going to do, he needs to raise £70,000 for a statue that will get put up in london in honour of those slaves. and what i'll do, folks, is i'll make sure that in a pretty prominent place on the gb news website , you can on the gb news website, you can see where if you want to give a little bit of money towards what colin kemp, the retired businessman from chichester, is trying to do. and the real question i ask myself is why are we not teaching this to every

single kid in school? all nations, all nations have have engaged. and if you're looking at it now, you can see it's ww dot crowdfunder. okay .uk fonnard slash west africa squadron that's there now but i'll make sure that it's prominent on the website jacob rees—mogg joins me jacob all nafions rees—mogg joins me jacob all nations at times have engaged in slavery. we seem to be attempting to tell our youth that we are uniquely evil in all of this. and yet that story that colin wants to tell is an amazing one. we're not uniquely evil. >> we're uniquely good because we are the first country that decides as a matter of moral imperative. we have to stop slavery and if you look at the 19th century, look at things palmer's sons doing in the 18205, 1830, he's making our 18205, the 1830, he's making our relations with both the united states and with portugal more difficult because they're continuing in continuing to be involved in slavery. we're saying it's slavery. and we're saying it's wrong. political wrong. we use up political capital, diplomatic capital throughout the 19th century opposing slavery . why is gordon,

opposing slavery. why is gordon, for example , moving to the 18805 for example, moving to the 18805 in khartoum? he's in khartoum to try and stamp out the slave trade . every other country in trade. every other country in the had accepted slavery trade. every other country in thenormalhad accepted slavery trade. every other country in thenormal untilccepted slavery trade. every other country in thenormal until theyted slavery trade. every other country in thenormal until the british very as normal until the british empire decides it's abnormal, immoral, unchristian and routes it out. >> why are we not telling people this ? because i'll bet you that this? because i'll bet you that story that colin is now trying to push and he wants to get a statue memorial. very good idea. >> i didn't know that story. didn't i think i'm quite well informed on mark. >> didn't know mark didn't know. >> didn't know mark didn't know. >> all that >> i was absolutely all that wasted money at and mug wasted money at eton and the mug didn't know. >> did you really know that? >> did you really not know that? no, know that story. no, i didn't know that story. >> i didn't realise that we'd lost 20,000 lives and that we had had squadron. i knew that had had a squadron. i knew that the to stop the royal navy had tried to stop the royal navy had tried to stop the yes, absolutely the slave trade. yes, absolutely knew that. but i didn't know the astonishing 50% astonishing to think it was 50% of the navy royal navy of the royal navy royal navy budget gdp. that is budget at 1% of gdp. that is currently our whole defence budget. >> well, that's right. another thought, may, we've thought, jacob, if i may, we've seen manchester, we've seen seen in manchester, we've seen in brighton, we've seen in london people celebrating

london people out celebrating the attacks, the hamas attacks on israel, the loss of life . i'm on israel, the loss of life. i'm heanng on israel, the loss of life. i'm hearing this evening that a london jewish school is telling school kids sort of to sort of cover up the school badge and whilst what is happening in israel and gaza is truly horrendous, we're not in a great place here on this, are we? well, it's a very small number, but these people are wicked. >> i mean, to support the brutal killing of entirely innocent civilian ones. and the stories are heart rending . there's story are heart rending. there's story about the parents of twins who hid their twins and were found dead by the israeli military. and the cruelty of this, this is the sort of barbarity that one hoped had had ended . and anybody hoped had had ended. and anybody protesting in favour of hamas is putting their hands in blood. >> but it's happening, i'm afraid, and it's happening on our streets very quickly, jacob, what's your main story? >> obviously going be talking >> obviously going to be talking about happened israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the happened israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the horror appened israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the horror ofpened israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of itned israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of it and israel >> obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of it and thesrael and the horror of it and the need for the west to do two things to support israel, but

also to do everything it can to stop iran, because it's iran thatis stop iran, because it's iran that is behind this. absolutely >> and that's why i think what joe biden with iran joe biden has done with iran constantly appeasing iran is the most gigantic error. it is a huge mistake. most gigantic error. it is a huge mistake . and that's it from huge mistake. and that's it from me today . be back with you me today. be back with you tomorrow at seven. hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . we'll see some patchy forecast. we'll see some patchy low cloud and fog developing, particularly across southern parts of england and wales, but further heavy rain pushing into scotland . that's courtesy of scotland. that's courtesy of weather fronts pushing through over days. this over the next few days. this weather front are dividing line between air to the south between warm air to the south and colder trying to come and colder air trying to come into north by the middle of into the north by the middle of the we've already got the week. we've already got that cloud into cloud and rain spilling into parts northern ireland, parts of northern ireland, pushing scotland pushing into western scotland as we this evening we move through this evening into the early hours, elsewhere turning grey, there'll be turning quite grey, there'll be some mist and low cloud developing of the developing by the end of the night, particularly south night, particularly across south western uk and western parts of the uk and fairly temperatures for all

fairly mild temperatures for all staying up in double figures . so staying up in double figures. so it's a wet start across scotland to start tuesday morning . to start tuesday morning. outbreaks of heavy rain which will continue to push slowly south eastwards through the day here. so we could see some further flooding issues brightening across parts of brightening up across parts of england wales, low england and wales, some low cloud, though, lingering across southern counties. plenty of hazy sunshine here, lifting temperatures to around 23 or 24, turning increasingly windy across the northern half of the uk as weather fronts push in. those weather fronts slowly push their southwards into their way southwards into wednesday, turning heavy at times, across parts times, particularly across parts of wales. further north, brighter , sunny spells and brighter, sunny spells and scattered showers, particularly across northwest scotland. some of heavy at times quite of these heavy at times quite "111993l of these heavy at times quite muggy across southern parts of the uk under that cloud and rain a bit fresher. further north and turning cooler as we head

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>> hello, good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight, israel finds itself facing what prime minister benjamin netanyahu has called not an operation, not a round of fighting , but war. over round of fighting, but war. over 700 israelis have been murdered by hamas including 250 people at a festival in the south of israel. women have been paraded through the streets . hostages through the streets. hostages have been taken, including an elderly holocaust survivor . an elderly holocaust survivor. an eyewitness reports have claimed women were raped next to the dead bodies of their friends. none of this is enough for the bbc to call hamas what they are terrorists and judgement day for the governments rwanda deportation plan will soon be upon us. today, the supreme court began three days of deliberations on the question of whether rwanda is a safe third country and if it was right for the court of appeal to rule the policy unlawful. with the migrant crisis at the forefront of national conversation, it of the national conversation, it is crucial that the court rules in right way. the architect in the right way. the architect of project fear, project fear,

the man who set off inflation when he printed billions of pounds governor the bank pounds as governor of the bank of mark carney has of england. mark carney has described the shadow chancellor, rachel after her rachel reeves, after her conference speech as serious conference speech as a serious economist. but with a record like his and the fact that he spread inaccurate claims about the size of our economy, the labour party is welcome to him. plus troubling for the plus some troubling news for the evening's denouement. should you force pet to vegan to force your pet to go vegan to save planet ? a study last save the planet? a study last week has suggested that imposing ellingtonian eating habits onto your pets going vegan or vegetarian could be a way of reducing greenhouse gases . state reducing greenhouse gases. state of the nation starts now . of the nation starts now. this evening . historian and new this evening. historian and new culture forum senior fellow rafe heydel—mankoo and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mail more at gb news dot com. but now it's