. east and polly middlehurst. east >> mark, thank you. well, the top story tonight is that the israeli prime minister has been speaking this evening and he said the airstrikes in gaza are just the beginning. speaking a short time ago, benjamin netanyahu compared the hamas atrocities of the weekend as being on par with isis. and earlier, hamas threatened to kill hostages if israel continued retaliating without warning. more than 900 people have been killed so far in israel and over 550in gaza since the first attack at the weekend. israel today ordered a complete siege on gaza, wanting to cut off food, power and fuel to the palestinian territory. but in a significant expansion to the conflict , significant expansion to the conflict, hezbollah, islamists in lebanon, to the north of israel have fired a salvo of rockets in what they describe as revenge attacks after they said israel killed four of their

fighters . well, the un fighters. well, the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, said the idea of a siege by israel is deeply distressing . distressing. >> the humanitarian situation in gaza was extremely dire before these hostilities. only deteriorate exponentially . deteriorate exponentially. medical equipment and food, fuel and other humanitarian supplies are desperately needed , along are desperately needed, along with access for humanitarian personnel , relief and entry of personnel, relief and entry of essential supplies into gaza must be facilitated and the un will continue. efforts to provide aid to respond to these needs. >> well, rishi sunak has been attending a prayer service tonight at a synagogue as pro—palestinian protesters demonstrate outside the israeli embassy in . london and earlier , embassy in. london and earlier, hundreds gathered at a jewish community vigil in westminster in support of israel with politicians expressing their cross—party support for israel

from the uk . meanwhile, parts of from the uk. meanwhile, parts of the israeli embassy appear to have been boarded up amid a pro—palestinian demonstration outside the building with fireworks and a huge police presence . hundreds gathered this presence. hundreds gathered this afternoon chanting israel is a terrorist state and free palestine . well, the foreign palestine. well, the foreign secretary, james cleverly said the government will review its support for british nationals in the country. >> reaffirmed our support to israel in its self—defence against this terrorist attack perpetrated by hamas against unarmed civilians . in many unarmed civilians. in many instances , this is an ongoing instances, this is an ongoing situation and of course, we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses . situation progresses. >> well, in politics today, the shadow chancellor said labour was ready to rebuild britain and restore economic secured after what she called the chaos of the last 13 tory years. so speaking

at the labour party conference, rachel reeves said labour planned to revive the uk's local town planning departments in order to boost the economy out of the wreckage of tory misrule i >> labour will restore our economic credibility . we will economic credibility. we will lift our living standards, make work pay, rebuild our public services, invest it in home grown industries in every corner of our country, and together we will get britain its future back i >> well, lastly , the government >> well, lastly, the government was busy defending. today its plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda in the supreme court. sir james eadie, kc , representing james eadie, kc, representing the home office, told the court the home office, told the court the policy is safe and lawful despite the east african country being less attractive to migrants than the uk. being less attractive to migrants than the uk . and it migrants than the uk. and it comes after the court of appeal ruled the policy was unsafe. there was a risk, they said, that rwanda could send migrants back to their country of origin

. on tv online dab+ radio and the tune—in app. this is gb news, britain's news channel . news, britain's news channel. >> good evening . rachel reeves >> good evening. rachel reeves the shadow chancellor addressed conference today worth hearing given it's likely she'll have the keys to the treasury in a years the keys to the treasury in a year's time. here she is in action today. >> i make this commitment to you and to our country out of the wreckage of tory misrule , labour wreckage of tory misrule, labour will restore our economic credibility . we will lift our credibility. we will lift our living standards, make work pay, rebuild our public services, invest in home grown industries invest in home grown industries in every corner of our country, and together we will get britain its future back . its future back. >> well , let's start with the

>> well, let's start with the positives. it won't take long. firstly she is a credible politician, a calm , coherent, politician, a calm, coherent, decent speaker compared to her boss. the cervix free leader of the opposition, keir starmer. she's winston churchill and she echoed the aforementioned churchill when she said this. i must tell you, you cannot tax and spend your way to economic growth . i spat my tea out. at growth. i spat my tea out. at that point i had to hit the red button on my remote control to make sure i was watching labour party conference. but but but the rest of it struck me as trivial. a lot of posturing , a trivial. a lot of posturing, a lot of hot air. one one big announcement was to stop the prime minister using a private jet so much. well let me say, whoever's in charge at number 10, i want them to travel quickly and safely , not sat on quickly and safely, not sat on a delayed train eating a mouldy egg and cress sandwich that they've paid £7 for this kind of superficial nonsense cheapens our politics. she does, however

, pose a good question . , pose a good question. >> questions people should ask themselves ahead of the next election are simple . do you and election are simple. do you and your family feel better off than your family feel better off than you did 13 years? if you like me, believe that it is time to put security first and reject the risk of five more years of chaos and decline, then join . us chaos and decline, then join. us >> she's got a point. do you feel better off after 13 years of tory rule? i don't. and i've got no doubt you don't either. but she glosses over the small matter of three national lockdowns , which saw the closure lockdowns, which saw the closure of thousands of businesses and the borrowing of half a trillion pounds. labour's share responsibility for this extraordinary economic destruction because they backed it all the way and to make matters worse, they wanted more war. then there was the predictable snake oil language of creating jobs and investment. governments don't create jobs.

that's communism and investment is doublespeak. for more borrowed billions. when she talked about the government playing a role in de—risking certain investment sites to encourage the private sector for that sent a shiver down my spine, de—risking . that's you spine, de—risking. that's you and me undennriting what could be costly and failed projects like we saw in the 1970s, which takes me to labour's green revolution and a 1970s style state run energy company called great british energy gambling. taxpayers billions on flaky renewables . i was delighted to renewables. i was delighted to hear that there will be more police and more nurses, but how are labour going to pay for that? well, it seems that the windfall tax and the non—dom status change will be paying for everything. every government department will be sharing the spoils , apparently, and there'll spoils, apparently, and there'll be enough left over for a brand new pair of flip flops for keir starmer , these marginal taxes starmer, these marginal taxes are going to be doing more heavy

lifting than arnold schwarzenegger . the windfall tax schwarzenegger. the windfall tax is already 75. did you know that? what's it going to go to ? that? what's it going to go to? 80 or 90? why don't we take all of their money? the bottom line is that windfall taxes are already too high and we are in partnership with these energy firms to invest in green renewables and to explore new gas and oil resources. all they'll do is take their investment elsewhere . it's investment elsewhere. it's a classic labour strategy , a great classic labour strategy, a great headline, but in reality , a race headline, but in reality, a race to the bottom . and what about to the bottom. and what about this non—dom status? stopping wealthy people who are registered as living abroad , registered as living abroad, paying registered as living abroad, paying lower taxes here? i hate to break it to the shadow chancellor but these people are very mobile. so this change in status may just bring in a few hundred million by the time we're with it, at which we're done with it, at which point scared off some of point we've scared off some of the richest people in the world. do we really want them investing in new york or paris instead ? do in new york or paris instead? do we really want them buying their rolls—royce horses in dubai or

singapore rather than london or manchester? like i say, a race to the bottom . if i was in to the bottom. if i was in charge , i'd make britain a haven charge, i'd make britain a haven for rich people. we need their money. just as rishi sunak has gained plaudits for slowing down the race to net zero, labour a speeding it up, reinstating the ban on petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and with no mention of the cost to the government and ordinary brits of pursuing this unachievable target of zero emissions instead , we've been emissions instead, we've been told by not granting oil and gas licences in the north sea, which is labour policy , we will is labour policy, we will somehow create energy security. that's like saying we're going to feed the family by locking the fridge or breaking up the larder. well, labour's green energy policies have got me bricking it now . i'm all for a bricking it now. i'm all for a bit of green energy as part of the mix. but if you think that windmills and solar panels will

deliver energy security, i can't help you. one last thought. rachel reeves is without doubt prudent , but rachel reeves is without doubt prudent, but this gives labour a political problem. the left within their own party and the grass roots . well, they'll all grass roots. well, they'll all be expecting a public sector cash bonanza when they likely win the next election , and win the next election, and they're going to be mightily disappointed and with a probable small majority, i predict an almost immediate civil war. and almost immediate civil war. and a party that keir starmer swiftly finds ungovernable, which is why dreadful as the tories have been, britain simply can't afford a labour government . now what's your view? mark at gbnews.com. the emails come straight to this laptop so let me know your thoughts, particularly if you back rachel reeves plan. let's get the views now of my top pundits tonight , now of my top pundits tonight, daily express columnist carole malone , journalist and malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin buttennorth , back from the jungle and former brexit party mep belinda de lucy . let me start with you,

de lucy. let me start with you, belinda. were you convinced by what you heard today after all, rachel reeves cuts quite a prudent figure. >> well, let's talk about the positives. >> i think she's a great orator, much better than keir, but then he set the bar very low on on that one. >> so she she comes across as authentic and passionate . but to authentic and passionate. but to me, it's the same old anti aspirational politics of envy. labour spiel that we normally get, you know, the attack on private schools i think is will backfire completely because i mean i went to a local comprehensive so i've got i've got no kind of, you know skin in that game but for me private schools, they take the burden off state schools and also there are a lot of struggling middle class families who are literally saving pennies and not going on houday saving pennies and not going on holiday taking extra hours holiday and taking extra hours just their kids just to send their their kids there. relieve the there. and they relieve the burden state schools. but burden of state schools. but they're them because they're going for them because it looks good. it's a good headune it looks good. it's a good headline for the politics of envy. quite rightly envy. and as you quite rightly pointed non—dom status

pointed out, the non—dom status international people, wealthy people anywhere to people could go anywhere to spend we want them spend their money. we want them to here. but she's putting to come here. but she's putting a stop to that. one thing i did like i mean , like was her attempt or i mean, ihope like was her attempt or i mean, i hope she's successful in clawing back the money that was wasted that was fraudulently used during the covid furlough scheme . and i think that's scheme. and i think that's a trick that the tories missed. but apart from that, it's about more borrowing. 28 billion more pounds a year that we don't have. so they have to borrow that money to spend it . have. so they have to borrow that money to spend it. and have. so they have to borrow that money to spend it . and the that money to spend it. and the rate of borrowing and the debt it costs to the british taxpayer is higher than than it has been in generations. so it's going to cost us more money getting rid of zero contract hours again, i think that's removing choice from people. zero contract hours actually suits a lot of students, elderly people who want to, you know, top up their cash income. so it's removing choice and politics of envy and rather disappointing and no big, exciting new policies. >> benjamin, i just wonder whether this speech today will

please no. one because there's no extra spending as such. it looks like the burden will be carried by business. so the left of the party within labour won't be happy. meanwhile many people think i'd better with the think i'd be better off with the conservatives neither of conservatives if neither of those things true. those things are true. >> the left of the labour >> mark the left of the labour party is dead. >> it's not who the labour party is and neither should it be. and the that most people are the idea that most people are looking conservatives and looking at the conservatives and thinking packet thinking that their pay packet or stability economy or the stability of the economy will is nonsense. you will be better is nonsense. you know, talks about the 28 know, belinda talks about the 28 billion for green investment. well, what liz truss well, that's half what liz truss managed to up the wall in just one month last year she borrowed to do tax cuts for the richest. >> could you use a little less jungle language, please? >> but you know, i mean, linda, beunda >> but you know, i mean, linda, belinda pardon me, you say you have no skin in the game on private school fees. you wouldn't be affected by a vat on private fees, would you? no. >> my children do go to private schools. right. three of schools. right. so three of three them three of them do. >> do skin in the game. >> you do have skin in the game. so you're not out of so you are you're not out of touch that. you'd be cost

touch with that. you'd be cost more money. and the truth is that public last that the public polling last week that of people week found that 49% of people support only 18% of people support it. only 18% of people oppose. >> english sixth formers >> 17% of english sixth formers are in private education, is are in private education, 17% is are in private education, 17% is a and where are they going a lot. and where are they going to go? you just automatically think it's seven, seven of naples are at private schools . naples are at private schools. no. and the truth is i said the truth the economy has truth is that the economy has been stagnant since before covid. >> it has got nowhere. people have less money in their pocket. growth is lower, nhs waiting lists are higher, tax is higher . all of those things were better under new labour in two thousand and seven. at the end of ten years of tony blair, we had the highest average household incomes in the g7. today have the lowest. today we have the lowest. there's only one party to blame. okay predict that with okay now i predict that with a cash bonanza for the public sector, we talked about this living wage , which i think is living wage, which i think is a laudable idea, but it's going to bnng laudable idea, but it's going to bring inflation back, plus extra burdens on business, such as getting rid of zero hours contracts. >> it means that unemployment will too carol. will likely go up, too carol. >> no, no, no, no idea .

>> no, no, no, no idea. >> no, no, no, no idea. >> no, no, no, no idea. >> no, those are natural consequences of these policies. no. if you make it harder for companies to employ people, then they will employ fewer people. that will spike unemployment , surely. >> okay. if you say so . i >> okay. if you say so. i thought we were talking about her. >> but anyway , we are talking >> but anyway, we are talking about not much left to say now. >> well, you can say anything you like. well i think that i was waiting for her big economic plan . plan. >> and what i heard was her talking about building programs , us and putting up pylons and putting up putting the vat on private school fees . private school fees. >> uh, that's not the new era of economy of the economy that she was going to be talking about. the biggest challenge facing this country is inflation. and she didn't mention it. once you said she was prudent. oh, no. beunda said she was prudent. oh, no. belinda said. she suddenly said she was prudent. i suggested she might be. well, she's not because she said today she was going to borrow £28 billion

every year. and no, they've cancelled that plan haven't they. well said today they. well she said it today and borrowing solve money borrowing doesn't solve money problems. creates them she problems. it creates them she said. and what what it also does when you borrow lots of money. labour had been talking about this for a very long time. it creates higher inflation it creates higher inflation and it creates higher inflation and it creates higher inflation and it creates higher it creates creates higher debt. it creates it higher mortgages , it creates higher mortgages, higher rates . but i higher interest rates. but i think mark carney, the former boss of the bank of england, endorsed her plan today. and i think that's probably the end of it, the kiss of death, because it, the kiss of death, because it was carney. he was the he was the guy who politicised and some would say disgraced his position at the bank of england by interfering in brexit and supporting george osborne and being a predictor of doom and gloom for the country and i just and i and i think rachel reeves is not up to the job. you know, as you said before, she's a good orator. i don't think she's at all. >> she's compared to i think she compared to keir, she talks like she's got she's got a problem. >> she talks like she's got a

constant cold. and, you know, she's always banging on about being a having an being an a having been an economist at one point. well, if this the result of her of her this is the result of her of her training today, pretty training today, it's pretty pathetic. it's disappointing. >> well carol, >> okay. all right. well carol, final thought. >> no, no, that's fine. >> go on. no, no, that's fine. all right. >> do you think carol's not >> what do you think carol's not having chancellor. having the shadow chancellor. what's mark? at what's your view, mark? at gbnews.com. delighted by the way, pundits tonight. way, with my pundits tonight. and back and great to see benjamin back from where were you? from the jungle. where were you? >> i went island called >> i went to an island called sybiru, in indian sybiru, which is in the indian ocean. and there i am. and i went to live with one of one of earth's last hunter gatherer tribes. they carry. i'm on, i'm on the right of that. they carry machetes at all time. and while i was there, he had to wade through the mud up to your knees in the rainforest. and i ate live maggots, which i got from trees . i cut down. i lived off trees. i cut down. i lived off trees. i cut down. i lived off tree bark, which you turn into a type of flour. and it was quite extraordinary because the younger ones have left for villages and have access to the internet. but older ones internet. but the older ones have idea that countries have no idea that countries like, did you get this

like, how did you get this photograph then? >> there's no cameras or >> if there's no cameras or whatever? on your whatever? on my iphone. on your iphone, yeah. >> i had to take a charger >> but i had to take a charger pack to keep it going because when we spoke aftennards, you said didn't have said that they didn't have mirrors there. >> had ever seen >> so none of them had ever seen what looked like. what they looked like. >> they've seen themselves >> well, they've seen themselves from other visitors occasion, from other visitors on occasion, but themselves but they can't see themselves normally. when i was normally. and so when i was filming they seeing filming them, they were seeing themselves the time, themselves for the first time, in frightened at any in some cases frightened at any point? i wasn't frightened. point? no, i wasn't frightened. it but look, that it was a thrill. but look, that way life is about to is about way of life is about to is about to completely disappear because the don't live like the younger ones don't live like that. and it's pretty amazing that. and so it's pretty amazing to the last remnants of the to see the last remnants of the way been for way humans have been for thousands people thousands of years, people sleeping like sleeping outside and stuff like that, foraging for food. >> to be like five >> it's going to be like five years a labour government. years of a labour government. there were snakes everywhere. >> it's like yeah, well, there were snakes everywhere. >>the like yeah, well, there were snakes everywhere. >> the way, yeah, well, there were snakes everywhere. >> the way, were yeah, well, there were snakes everywhere. >> the way, were the yeah, well, there were snakes everywhere. >> the way, were the were well, there were snakes everywhere. >> the way, were the were the.l, by the way, were the were the snakes scared of you or were you scared of i think they scared of them? i think they were scared of me. but look, you know, ozempic sold know, with ozempic sold out, i needed a way to lose weight. needed a new way to lose weight. >> well, look, it's great to have you back. still to come, israel a full siege israel has launched a full siege of retaliation to

of gaza in retaliation to hamas's attack against the country that's claimed the lives of and of 900 israelis so far and at least so why least ten britons. so why do some on the left find it so hard to condemn the terror group? jewish journalist nicole lambert joins shortly. but next, jewish journalist nicole lambert joinsclash shortly. but next, jewish journalist nicole lambert joinsclash sh reportsjt next, jewish journalist nicole lambert joinsclash sh reports prince, in a clash amid reports prince andrew's soul and claims andrew's a lost soul and claims that fergie is trying land that fergie is trying to land a tv deal to keep him afloat. should charles his should king charles forgive his brother? him back to brother? and bring him back to the

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from three on. gb news can labour be trusted with the economy? >> well, this from lee . good >> well, this from lee. good evening, mark. i was a labour voter and member for 18 years until recently with all the u—turns that labour announced. i cannot put my trust in them to keep anything that they say any more. for the first time in my life, i may actually vote for someone but are someone different, but who are the worst ? you do wonder, the least worst? you do wonder, don't you? look, i'll get some more of your emails very shortly, but let's now have a look ahead. what's coming up in the next few minutes? reform uk leader and gb news star richard tice is on his way. but first, it's time for the clash . now the it's time for the clash. now the duchess of york is working on landing a money spinning us chat show in a bid to help her ex—husband, prince andrew, pay his mounting bills. tv producer amy rosenblum told the mail on sunday that she met sarah ferguson at new york's regent hotel last month to discuss the plans that could reportedly bank millions a year. sarah ferguson is reportedly keen to help

bankroll £2 million worth of essential maintenance work at the royal lodge after andrew himself forked out £200,000 for urgent roof repairs , a move that urgent roof repairs, a move that helped him avoid an embarrassing eviction by the king. prince andrew was stripped of his royal duties and patronages in 2020, but as vigorously and consistently denied all allegations levelled at him by jeffrey epstein, victim virginia giuffre so tonight, should king charles forgive prince andrew and bring him back into the royal fold? let me know your thoughts at gb news on twitter or mark at gbnews.com i'll bring you the results of our poll shortly. but to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome social ites and prince andrew's ex , lady and prince andrew's ex, lady victoria harvey and the editor in chief of majesty magazine , in chief of majesty magazine, ingnd in chief of majesty magazine, ingrid seward. ingrid let me start with you. is it time for charles to forgive and forget? >> well, i don't think that the king ever had to forgive andrew.

i actually really feel that he believes his brother , but he believes his brother, but he simply cannot not allow him to come back into public life because it's not necessarily what you've done or haven't done. it's the what you're perceived to have done. and globally, the world perceive . globally, the world perceive. andrew to have done the things that he's been accused of. they they see him as being a predator on young women , and they see him on young women, and they see him as someone who's very entitled with a great deal of money, or he probably doesn't have that too much anymore running that running that house. but i think that it's absolutely impossible for his brother as king to bring him back when the people full of not just great britain, but the world simply will not see it that way regardless of what happens. he is he's tarred by this epstein scandal and i don't think he can come back into pubuc think he can come back into public life in any way. and

certainly not expect his brother to bring him back. >> well, i just wonder whether king charles should bury the hatchet. victoria, after all, andrew is guilty of no crime . andrew is guilty of no crime. >> no, he's never been proven to have done anything wrong. i mean, this was just, you know, judged by the media. there's been actually a lot of developments in the last five of weeks. there was a letter filed to the court in the northern district of illinois by a main whistleblower witness in this case that that basically says that virginia guthrie is a liar and so is maria farmer. and that the whole case is going to be turned upside down. so there is a lot going to be coming out there working with the fbi at there working with the fbi at the moment, but especially in this new fbi case that was filed by maria farmer and sarah ransome a couple of months ago. and so i do believe that he will be completely exonerated when

all of this comes to light, which is actually very soon. it's kind of happening very fast right now. >> well, i'm certain that virginia giuffre would push back on the idea that she's a liar. she would no doubt deny that she's to defend she's not here to defend herself. of victoria , herself. of course, victoria, there's undeniable proof that virginia guthrie is a con artist liar and that maria farmer is a con artist liar. >> and actually, ghislaine maxwell is also innocent, so. well, victoria, you know, fair play. >> this show is all about opinions. you're entitled to yours. but i opinions. you're entitled to yours. buti haven't opinions. you're entitled to yours. but i haven't seen that evidence, so i don't think opinion can debate that this opinion we can debate that this is actually evidence is actually straight evidence that well that is undeniable. okay. well well, she's not here. virginia giuffre , of course, hasn't got giuffre, of course, hasn't got the ability to respond to that. >> she has been completely set up and is sitting in jail, innocent so that will innocent as well. so that will be out. well victoria, of be coming out. well victoria, of course, truth will course, you know the truth will out time, but i've no out in time, but i've got no doubt, say, that virginia doubt, as i say, that virginia giuffre would deny what you've said. >> and reached out to >> and we have reached out to her and let's hope we can her people and let's hope we can get her on in the future. >> but i would love to be on

with her. >> ingrid, what do you think about the politics of this? because charles doesn't because if charles doesn't resolve drama, resolve the andrew doyle drama, the andrew opera , it could the andrew soap opera, it could dog monarchy, couldn't it? dog his monarchy, couldn't it? >> i don't think it will dog the monarchy. what he's done really, and i do agree with what lady has said, a lot of what she said , but i still feel these things don't happen quickly , even if, don't happen quickly, even if, for instance, giuffre was proven to be a liar . for instance, giuffre was proven to be a liar. this for instance, giuffre was proven to be a liar . this is not going to be a liar. this is not going to be a liar. this is not going to happen overnight. and charles. >> okay. but charles is to going get involved. >> he cannot get involved in this. he's our head of state. he he's not he cannot be seen as a meddler , especially in his own meddler, especially in his own brother's life. but ingrid , brother's life. but ingrid, where's the loyalty to your own brother ? brother? >> blood is thicker than water. he's thrown his brother under the bus . the bus. >> no, he hasn't. his brother threw himself under the bus . and threw himself under the bus. and i absolutely think that charles has been loyal to his brother in private. but publicly , he's our private. but publicly, he's our head of state. and he. he cannot

be seen to condone what his brother has done when everybody else has said, no, that's enough. and i think andrew probably could reform himself in some way. but think he'd have to disappear for a while and come back and live very simply , back and live very simply, living in his 30 room mansion , living in his 30 room mansion, royal lodge. it's not going to. well, that's what it says everywhere . 30 runs, not 30 everywhere. 30 runs, not 30 bedrooms, 31. it's a really big house. okay. it's got 98 acres. it costs a fortune to run . i it costs a fortune to run. i think if andrew was to be a little bit more sort of modest and say, look for what? >> how many years now he's lost his life because of this woman who has falsely accused him and has falsely accused many other people. there's a lot of people that a lot, you know, you haven't even heard about. there's ongoing lawsuits. there is an extortion criminal ring run by david boies, like this is the situation. well, i don't, of

course, have access to that allegation and i can't back that up. >> but can i finally ask you , >> but can i finally ask you, victoria, do you think there is any way back for prince andrew, given the fact that you think he's been stitched up like a right royal kipper? i think do you think he'll be back in evidence? >> i think the proof that will be coming out, i think once that comes out, people going to comes out, people are going to see that this guy was completely set up and level of how he set up and the level of how he was set mean, if that's if was set up. i mean, if that's if that's demonstrated, will charles forgive and forget? >> are you suggesting that he may make a glorious return to fro ntli ne? >> i frontline? >> i really hope so. and i'm wanting to know more about this case. just look into george tonks, is the whistleblower. tonks, who is the whistleblower. there's a his twitter there's a lot on his twitter account talking about it. and there's a lot of things that are going to be finally, i think the truth is going to come out because it's not going to be able to be avoided. >> and my thanks to lady victoria harvey and the editor in chief majesty magazine, in chief of majesty magazine, ingnd in chief of majesty magazine, ingrid who do you ingrid seward. well, who do you agree with? should king charles

forgive and forget in of forgive and forget in terms of andrew and bring him back into the public on twitter the public fold? neil on twitter says seems like king charles says it seems like king charles has already forgiven him, but luckily british has luckily the british public has morals backlash from morals and the backlash from andrew back into fold andrew coming back into the fold would too great a risk for would be too great a risk for the king. lisa says prince andrew's never been arrested, never been found guilty any never been found guilty of any crime. but the press and social media have already decided he's guilty and have made it harder for king to ever welcome him for the king to ever welcome him back. says. but what about back. matt says. but what about the things andrew has been accused maybe charles could accused of? maybe charles could consider the allegations before he publicly welcome andrew back . so your verdict is in 16% agree that king charles should forgive prince andrew and 84% of you are not having it. coming up, labour's david lammy says he wants to date the eu and rebuild the relationship after a bitter divorce. is this proof that sir keir starmer will spend five years undoing brexit? or i'll be asking the leader of reform uk

live in the studio. still buzzing from his conference, richard tice . but next, israel richard tice. but next, israel has launched a full siege of gaza in retaliation to hamas's attack against the country that's claimed the lives of 900 israelis and at least ten britons. so why do some on the left find it so hard to condemn the terror group? jewish journalist nicole lambert is

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. six till 930. richard tice coming up very soon. >> but first, it's time for journalist nicole lampert. worsening scenes of violence in israel in recent days have sent shockwaves around the world. with over 900 israelis now killed and many thousands more injured or missing after hamas terrorists broke across the border from gaza , where they've border from gaza, where they've held power since two thousand and seven. more than 680 people have also been killed in israeli strikes on gaza in retaliation. but despite widespread evidence of israeli women and children and elderly people being kidnapped and killed by hamas terrorists , many on the left terrorists, many on the left seem reluctant to condemn the attacks with former labour leader jeremy corbyn skirting around the issue yesterday . around the issue yesterday. >> am i doing it? >> am i doing it? >> why are you interrupt people when they're answering a question? okay. thank you . i'll question? okay. thank you. i'll go again then. yesterday i sent out a statement calling for a ceasefire, calling for peace and

calling for an end to the occupation of palestine , which occupation of palestine, which of course is fundamentally the background to the whole issue. obviously all attacks are wrong, but do you think i've made my point? i think i've made my point? i think i've made my point very clearly. i made the point. wait a minute. you are saying is well , the journalist saying is well, the journalist nicole lambert joins me now. >> and nicole, thank you for joining us under these awful circumstances. i understand you were a vigil earlier today. were at a vigil earlier today. yeah, close to downing street . yeah, close to downing street. what was the mood ? what was the mood? >> sombre . it was sad, but also >> sombre. it was sad, but also there were quite a few mps there and they pledged their they pledged to support israel . that pledged to support israel. that felt good to know. it hasn't always felt like that in this country . and there was sadness country. and there was sadness and there was also just the kind of feeling of, you know, we can't give up. this is our homeland. this is the only homeland. this is the only homeland that the jewish people have, the only democracy in the region, the only democracy in the and, course, the region. and, of course, after holocaust, we know after the holocaust, we know

what israel what can happen if israel doesn't own country and doesn't have its own country and if there isn't a place for jews to flee and jews have been to flee to. and jews have been fleeing there since its inception in. >> well, indeed, i spoke just a couple of days ago to the editor of the jewish chronicle, and he said, rooted in this is not the fight for freedom or anything like that. it is out and out anti semitism. hatred of anti semitism. it's hatred of jewish anti semitism. it's hatred of jewwell, they don't want any >> well, they don't want any jewish people on they deem jewish people on what they deem arab that that that's arab land and that that that's one of the big issues jews in that you can only talk peace for people who want to have peace with you but if they most jews and certainly most british jews and certainly most british jews and most people in israel believe or believed in the two state solution. but that's become the idea has disappeared because it's become clearer and clearer that the other side don't want a two state solution because they don't want to share the land with jews. they don't believe jews deserve to be there. they don't like to be on an equal footing with jews. there were jews in the middle

east for many thousands of years and they were they were known as dhimmi. had dhimmi status, dhimmi. they had dhimmi status, which is second class status. >> does make you feel as >> how does it make you feel as a jewish person yourself to see people and the people in london and across the country palestinian country waving the palestinian flag, about what's flag, cheering about what's happened, let's happened, which, let's not forget, the rape and forget, involves the rape and massacre innocent civilians, massacre of innocent civilians, children , women, elderly people children, women, elderly people , and indeed support for what's happened out side of labour party conference in liverpool today. >> well, even at the vigil this evening, there were people that were on the outskirts. there were on the outskirts. there were a lot of police there, but there were people there with palestinian flags. i palestinian flags. and i understand why people want to support palestinians . and support the palestinians. and i'm against the palestinians i'm not against the palestinians , which terror group. , which is a terror group. >> the people of palestine >> and the people of palestine need understood as two need to be understood as two separate yeah. and separate entities. yeah. and there support within among there is support within among some palestinians for but some palestinians for hamas, but not universal by any means. >> exactly. and the palestinians are really victims of own are really victims of their own leaders . they're victims leaders. they're victims of hamas, which are a fascist organisation , and they restrict

organisation, and they restrict free speech, free speech, imprisoned . they they kill their imprisoned. they they kill their political rivals and fatah on the other side, while they're deemed more moderate. but they're still also don't have won't have elections. they're not democratic like they don't allow free speech. >> now let's have it right. the labour party has changed under keir starmer . he's worked hard, keir starmer. he's worked hard, i think, to rid the labour party, the movement of the scourge of anti—semitism , and scourge of anti—semitism, and they instantly condemned this attack by hamas , which is attack by hamas, which is recognised by the british government and the eu and others as a terror organisation. they're not militants, as the bbc have described them. let's have a listen to what david lammy has had to say. there is neven lammy has had to say. there is never, never , ever never, never, ever a justification for terrorism. >> labour stands firmly in support of israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages

and protect its citizens . the and protect its citizens. the hostages were so cruelly taken , hostages were so cruelly taken, including children, should be released immediately . and released immediately. and hamas's indiscriminate attacks set back the cause of peace . set back the cause of peace. >> okay, that was david lammy. so labour have acted very quickly on this, which they likely wouldn't have done if they were still led by jeremy corbyn, who came that close to becoming prime minister, which i would thought sends would have thought sends a shiver down your spine. however why on the why do some other figures on the left such difficulty in left have such difficulty in condemning hamas these murderous thugs ? thugs? >> well, i think , first of all, >> well, i think, first of all, there is on the left, there's anti—semitism. of course there is in all parts of society. but there is there's always been a stream of anti—semitism in karl marx, even who was born jewish. so there is that. and then , of so there is that. and then, of course, they see the palestinian as they see it as a david and

goliath situation. they see it as a kind of apartheid situation nation. and in some ways it can be seen that way. if you look at israel on the map and then you look at the tiny parts as gaza, and then there's the west bank, you know, and they're small. then you and you've got then you zoom out and you've got the rest of the middle the whole rest of the middle east that that have been to war on the behalf of the palestinians many times. you've got syria , you've got egypt, got syria, you've got egypt, you've got jordan , then you've you've got jordan, then you've got lebanon and i think one of the problems, one of the questions that we have now is whether lebanon joins in two and hezbollah in lebanon to join with the palestinians is and then we'll see that actually israel and to us as jews, there are 14 million of us in the world, most over half live in israel. we feel very much that we are the small. we're a tiny, tiny minority . and we feel that tiny minority. and we feel that in this country , too. it's good in this country, too. it's good to see david lammy say those things. yeah i do wonder whether

he would have said them if jeremy corbyn was leader . jeremy corbyn was leader. >> nicole, thank you so much for joining us on this very, very sad day and this most dreadful and appalling story. sad day and this most dreadful and appalling story . and my and appalling story. and my thanks to nicole lampert. and appalling story. and my thanks to nicole lampert . we'll thanks to nicole lampert. we'll look at lots more to come. let me tell you, don't forget the email is mark at gbnews.com for your reaction. coming up, as steve coogan launches a defence of the bbc, are they guilty of rewriting their history with their latest? jimmy saville drama? i'll be asking fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie . street legend kelvin mackenzie. but next, david lammy, who you just seen is flirting with the eu again. he says he wants to date the eu. so is this proof the party will spend five years undoing brexit? i'll be asking the leader of reform uk live in the leader of reform uk live in the studio richard tice. he's

n ext next is whispering that to my next guest. welcome back to the show kelvin mackenzie later on

tonight. but it's time now for gb news star and leader of reform uk richard tice and david lammy sensationally admitted that britain would start dating the eu under a labour government. the shadow foreign secretary was speaking at a conference fringe event hosted by the tony blair institute and he told the audience, we had a very, very bitter divorce with the eu. it's a divorce that went on for years and years and years. no one in this room in all seriousness, would suggest you can have a divorce and that you can have a divorce and that you get married again you could get married again without even going a date. without even going on a date. what's he on about? my goodness. talking in riddles. well, richard, this proof that if richard, is this proof that if labour gets into power, they will spend five years undoing b rexit? >> i brexit? >> i think actually he's he's really exposed himself. >> the reality is that he wants a long dating process ahead of remarrying the entity that we have just left. >> he said the bad bits out loud. absolutely. >> and you can see it clear as day, frankly . day, frankly. >> think this is a moment >> he i think this is a moment where should have very rapid where we should have very rapid

speed dating and say have a look. hello. thank you. bye. we don't actually, don't like that actually, because you're recession. don't like that actually, becausstruggling recession. don't like that actually, becausstruggling andession. don't like that actually, becausstruggling and that's the you're struggling and that's the reality. >> would you want to get >> why would you want to get closer and handcuff and tie yourself to entity ? yourself to an entity? >> see where the main countries like recession like germany are in recession really struggling. they're now essentially demolishing wind farms in order to extract coal again because they've got themselves in such an absolute pickle. there's no growth across the main countries in europe. labour have actually worked out that you've got to talk about growth. i've been banging on about the last two years. about it for the last two years. i think they're absolutely clueless because is of their clueless because is all of their policies, whether it's tying herself to the eu, whether it's obsessed the madness of the obsessed with the madness of the job, destroying money, destruction net zero will destroy growth. it won't create growth. and that's what the country has got to realise and challenge labour on and because they they set out no policies that will create growth, how much can be done in power over five years?

>> to what extent can labour reconnect us with the eu and undo brexit? how much can be done and how much is irreversible? >> bill well, that's a very good question. >> you're out, so why should worry? >> well, i'll tell you why, because the reality is, yes, legally we've left. but we haven't taken advantage the legally we've left. but we hav(tasticken advantage the legally we've left. but we hav(tastic brexitvantage the legally we've left. but we hav(tastic brexit opportunitiese fact tastic brexit opportunities out there. the whole point was you take back control of your laws, money and borders. well, we've borders to mass we've opened our borders to mass migration. haven't deregulate migration. we haven't deregulate it and haven't cut taxes in it and we haven't cut taxes in order to create growth. and therefore our growth is spluttering slightly better than germany's, the take the germany's, whereas the take the us, for example, you know, they're soaring away again. and that's because they've got lower regulations, daft regulations and got lower taxes and and they've got lower taxes and they've got cheap energy because they've got cheap energy because they use their own shale gas and we to use this great we refuse to use this great treasure trove under our feet called oil, gas, shale gas. we've even got a bunch of lithium. we're not using . the lithium. we're not using. the whole thing is insane. decades of decades of coal, decades of oil, decades of coal, decades of oil, decades of coal, decades of and at 20 years of of gas, and at least 20 years of gas. we, the taxpayer, own

gas. and we, the taxpayer, own it. so we should actually extract and get the benefit extract it and get the benefit from it rather than leave it as an untapped asset underground and our our money overseas and send our our money overseas to buy someone else's gas. >> but aren't labour entitled to flirt with the eu ? after all, flirt with the eu? after all, they're our biggest trading partner and just want to partner and they just want to make that relationship work better for the british. >> everyone bangs on about being our biggest trading partner. they're not single biggest they're not our single biggest trading the united trading partner is the united states of america, with whom we have trade surplus . have a large trade surplus. >> it's the biggest >> i think it's the biggest market got market we've got, and we've got a free deal with them, but a free trade deal with them, but it's still not the biggest part of economy. it's still not the biggest part of i economy. it's still not the biggest part of i thinkiomy. it's still not the biggest part of i think it'sy. it's still not the biggest part of i think it's about about 11 >> i think it's about about 11 or 12% our overall economy. or 12% of our overall economy. but not a growing market but it's not a growing market focus on where the growth is, the in the growth is in the growth in the growth is in the growth in the growth is in the the growth is in asia, the us. the growth is in asia, where we've just done a big trade deal. but this trade deal. sure, but why this antipathy with antipathy to collaborating with the european? we are collaborating with them. we've got deal with them got a free trade deal with them and yes, frankly, they've been a right pain in the backside in terms of the way they interpret some rules and the

some of the rules and the regulations. we've been daft enough to an even enough to sign up to an even more burdensome windsor framework than the previous horrific we should horrific protocol, and we should just we're not just tell them we're not going to this stuff . to do this stuff. >> labour would argue >> but but labour would argue they're to fix our they're going to fix our relationship with the so that relationship with the eu so that actually can collaborate on actually we can collaborate on controlling actually we can collaborate on controlli that's a shared problem because that's a shared problem and actually engaging with and that actually engaging with europe our economy. europe will boost our economy. that's labour's say. that's what labour's say. >> say that. the >> they do say that. but the reality is i just repeat it again. the eu nations are in recession, so you don't want to get to something is get closer to something that is spluttering coughing and spluttering and coughing and struggling. recession you struggling. and in recession you want far away from it want to get as far away from it and on where there's and focus on where there's growth because we get growth. >> let me tell you that you did not cough not splutter or cough this weekend. watched weekend. i watched various speeches your conference. speeches from your conference. i thought you spoke brilliantly, very direct shot from the very direct shot from from the hip, authentic stuff. tell hip, very authentic stuff. tell me about the plans, the ambitions of your party. what does success look like at the next? >> well, the first success was on saturday because we had more people, almost a thousand people in the main hall, which was apart the prime minister's

apart from the prime minister's speech, apart from the prime minister's speech, it was busier than hall the than the main hall in the conservative in manchester. >> donald trump's thousand people actually people was like, actually 30. no, tice no, this is a richard tice thousand people. >> might been 999, >> so it might have been 999, but you know, i tell as it but you know, i tell it as it is, great attendance and great attendance. and look, the mood was and got was fantastic. and we've got many, hundreds of many, many hundreds of candidates. and repeat, we're candidates. and i repeat, we're standing england, standing everywhere in england, scotland will scotland and wales. and we will give a proper demo , a give people a proper demo, a range of options, different policies , right common sense policies, the right common sense policies, the right common sense policies . and that will make policies. and that will make a tax stop the low tax, stop the boats. we're the only people with a credible policy that will stop the boats. we know it works because it worked ten years ago for australia. and guess what? because it worked ten years ago for iboatsia. and guess what? because it worked ten years ago for iboats haven't guess what? because it worked ten years ago for iboats haven't come what? because it worked ten years ago for iboats haven't come back.’ because it worked ten years ago for iboats haven't come back. so the boats haven't come back. so why not breaking international law? break law? no they didn't break international they got international law. they got a bit of they got a bit of flak from a bunch woke from from a bunch of woke lefties. but actually they didn't break international law. we the same. do we should do the same. we can do it within existing treaties. it within the existing treaties. i've read these treaties. i know it's a pretty old read, but it's a pretty dull old read, but i've treaties i've read these treaties and we're entitled it. it we're entitled to do it. it requires leadership and courage.

mark, which this mark, about which this conservative none i >> and you are a brand new star on leader of a national on gb news leader of a national political party, hoping to move the dial in a years time. are you having at the people's channel? >> huge fun at the people's channel and it's great because i get all the get recognised now. all over the country. it's extraordinary. i go to events and things go and talk to events and things people i've seen you, it's people say, i've seen you, it's you. i see you on gb news and it's the exponential it's amazing the exponential growth something growth is something that everybody excited. >> have you got groupies? >> have you got groupies? >> have you got groupies? >> have groupies? oh, >> have i got groupies? oh, i couldn't possibly comment. >> go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> a diplomatic answer, richard. we'll my we'll catch up really soon. my thanks to richard tice, leader of reform uk. more get of reform uk. lots more to get through. a busy hour to come is labour's botched attempt at providing all at the providing toilets for all at the party conference. another example of the attempted erasure of women from our society. what do think about these unisex do you think about these unisex toilets ? are they an insult to toilets? are they an insult to women ? leading women's rights women? leading women's rights campaigner maya forstater certainly thinks so , and she certainly thinks so, and she joins me live shortly. but next is keir starmer's admission is sir keir starmer's admission that he would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works. proof

that labour britain's that labour will open britain's borders . my panel will debate borders. my panel will debate that very shortly. so don't forget also the email is mark at gbnews.com. it's all about your opinions if you're enjoying the show and if you're enjoying the channel and if you're enjoying richard tice, tell your friends, tell your family and let's change the world together. i'll see you in two. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we'll see some patchy low cloud and fog developing, particularly across southern parts of england and wales, but further heavy rain into scotland. rain pushing into scotland. that's courtesy of weather fronts pushing through over the next few days. this weather front are dividing line between warm to the south colder warm air to the south and colder air come into the air trying to come into the north the middle the week. north by the middle of the week. we've got that cloud and we've already got that cloud and rain spilling parts of rain spilling into parts of northern into northern ireland, pushing into western we western scotland as we move through evening the through this evening into the early elsewhere early hours, elsewhere turning quite there'll be some quite grey, there'll be some mist and low cloud developing by the of the night, the end of the night, particularly across south western of the uk and western parts of the uk and fairly temperatures for all

fairly mild temperatures for all staying double figures. so staying up in double figures. so it's a wet start across scotland to start tuesday morning. outbreaks of heavy rain , which outbreaks of heavy rain, which will continue to push slowly south eastwards through the day here. so we could see some further flooding issues brightening parts brightening up across parts of england and wales. some low cloud, though, lingering across southern of southern counties. plenty of hazy sunshine here, lifting temperatures to around 23 or 24, turning increasingly windy across the northern half of the uk as weather fronts push in those weather fronts slowly push their way southwards into wednesday, heavy at wednesday, turning heavy at times, particularly across parts of wales, further north, brighter , sunny spells and brighter, sunny spells and scattered showers, particularly across northwest scotland. some of these heavy at quite of these heavy at times quite muqqy of these heavy at times quite muggy across southern parts of the uk under that cloud and rain a bit fresher further north and turning cooler as we head towards the

>> it's 10:00. >> it's10:00. i'm mark dolan and this is news tonight. now britain's borders are once again threatened by the labour party with hundreds of illegal migrants landing on our shores yesterday, starmer has admitted he will scrap the government's no nonsense rwanda plan, even if it's successful , so is sir it's successful, so is sir keir's rwanda reluctant? it's proof that this labour party intends to throw open britain's borders. that's the big debate with my superstar panel, next. tonight's carole malone, benjamin buttennorth and belinda de lucy . and from borders to de lucy. and from borders to bogs labour party conference has caused outrage as a result of the unisex toilets that people are forced to use. take a listen to lesbian labour leader who have been saying that they're furious about these toilets for everyone which saw men's urinals covered with curtains and the floor, and i quote, awash with male pee leading women's rights

campaigner maya forstater asks if this is a sinister sign of things to come in labour's war against women. also coming up, as the government promises a clampdown on sick note, britain . are some employees now exploiting mental health as an excuse not to go to work? we'll get stuck into that in the media. buzz and later in the show with actor steve coogan defending the bbc's latest jimmy saville drama is our state broadcaster guilty of rewrite , broadcaster guilty of rewrite, citing their own chequered history . i'll be asking the wolf history. i'll be asking the wolf of fleet street kelvin mackenzie . plus, we will crown a new greatest britain and union jackass before the night is out. plus tomorrow's front pages. so a busy hour to come. keir starmer wants to cancel the rwanda plan. even if it works, we'll debate that after the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> mark, thank you. good evening to you. well, the main story tonight is that the israeli

prime minister says the atrocities committed by hamas dunng atrocities committed by hamas during its attack on israel mirrored those carried out by isis. speaking this evening, benjamin netanyahu issued a televised statement saying that the airstrikes in gaza are just the airstrikes in gaza are just the beginning of israel's retaliation. well earlier, hamas threatened to kill israeli hostages if israel continued to bomb gaza without warning. more than 900 people have been killed in israel so far and over 550in gaza since the first attack on saturday. and in a significant expansion to the conflict, hezbollah, islamists in london, in lebanon, rather, which is north of israel , have fired north of israel, have fired rockets in what they describe as revenge attacks for israel , revenge attacks for israel, killing four of their fighters . killing four of their fighters. meanwhile, thousands of pro—palestinian protesters have been demonstrating outside the israeli embassy in central london tonight.

israeli embassy in central london tonight . despite amid london tonight. despite amid waving palestine indian flags and free palestine banners, fireworks were let off, flares were lit and chants of israel is a terrorist state rang out. the metropolitan police says it is engaging with protesters and looking into incidents of suspected criminal damage. but the prime minister, rishi sunak, has been attending a prayer service in a synagogue in north london tonight , reaffirming the london tonight, reaffirming the uk's unwavering support for israel . saying he stands with israel. saying he stands with the jewish community and the barbaric acts committed by hamas. he said , were evil and hamas. he said, were evil and the foreign secretary, james cleverly earlier on today said the government will review its support now for british nationals in the country. >> we reaffirmed our support to israel in its self—defence against this terrorist attack attack perpetrated by hamas against unarmed civilians. in many instances , as this is an many instances, as this is an ongoing situation in and of

course, we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses as well. >> in politics today, the shadow chancellor said labour was ready to rebuild britain and restore economic security after what she called the chaos of the tory years. speaking at the labour party conference in liverpool today, rachel reeves said labour planned to revamp the uk's local town planning departments in order to boost the economy out of the wreckage of tory misrule i >> labour will restore our economic credibility . we will economic credibility. we will lift our living standards, make work pay, rebuild our public services, invest in home grown industries, in every corner of our country , and together we our country, and together we will get britain its future back. rachel reeves now the government has been defending its plan to send asylum seekers

to rwanda in the supreme court today, sir james eadie to rwanda in the supreme court today, sirjames eadie qc, today, sir james eadie qc, representing the home office, told the court the policy is safe and is lawful, despite the east african country being less attractive to migrants than the uk . uk. >> it comes after the court of appeal ruled the policy was unsafe . as they said, there was unsafe. as they said, there was a risk that rwanda could send migrants back to their country of origin . this is gb news of origin. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . channel. >> thanks, polly. tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. and let's kick off with a first look at some of the front pages . and for now, we will just start with the metro trapped in hell. first minister humza yousaf in scotland has spoken of his fears for his wife's parents

as he revealed they are trapped in war torn gaza after visiting family . okay, i'll bring you family. okay, i'll bring you more front pages. very shortly. but let's react to the big stories of the day in the company of top daily express columnist. always a must read and listen. carole malone and a must listen. carole malone don't keep a hanging. let me tell you, journalist and broadcaster buttennorth broadcaster benjamin buttennorth back from the jungle. he got bitten , but also bit and that bitten, but he also bit and that was here to write the euston road. and last but not least, the brilliant former brexit party mep, belinda de lucy . now party mep, belinda de lucy. now as illegal migrants continue to arrive on our shores with 238 making the crossings from france yesterday, government lawyers were in court today attempting to overturn a previous ruling that blocked the rwanda migration policy . that blocked the rwanda migration policy. but in an interview at the labour party conference yesterday, sir keir starmer continued to bury his headin starmer continued to bury his head in the sand by declaring that he would scrap the rwanda scheme. even if it works. you heard me right. take a listen. >> if the supreme court ruled

that it >> if the supreme court ruled thatitis >> if the supreme court ruled that it is legal and flights to rwanda begin to take off and the numbers crossing the channel on small boats decline, i.e. so it's working, would you still reverse it? >> yes , i think it's the wrong policy. >> it's hugely expensive . she >> it's hugely expensive. she there you go. >> quite a revelation . carol, is >> quite a revelation. carol, is keir starmer being refreshingly honest or is he . drop the ball honest or is he. drop the ball here. >> absolute idiot . although that >> absolute idiot. although that said, i love what he said. >> i love that because he's single handedly crashing his chances of winning the next election. you know , he to win election. you know, he to win the next election, he needs to win back the red wall and he must surely know, having read the post, he must know that three quarters of the red wall wholeheartedly support the rwanda plan more than half of them support people, people who are coming here illegally, coming through safe countries. >> they wholeheartedly support them being sent back. they support the boats being turned back. so when he says things

like, you know, even if the rwanda scheme works, he's going to stop it, who is he going to stop it for? >> he says, he said it's the wrong policy. >> wrong. who for is it wrong for labour's elitist the islington set. >> it's not wrong for the people in the communities all over this country who whose whose lives have been turned upside down in areas where there their essential services don't work anymore because they've had three, four, 500 people dumped on their doorstep . so starmer on their doorstep. so starmer is, you know, he doesn't he doesn't understand who his core voters are. he doesn't understand who the people are that he needs to win the election. and he sure as hell doesn't they think doesn't know what they think about starmer and about immigration. starmer and this small seat in his this very small seat in his party, they want to have completely open borders. they want to welcome every single migrant boat. migrant who comes on a boat. they them a home they want to give them a home here that's not what the vast swathe of this country wants . swathe of this country wants. they want to allow people coming here who are fleeing war and persecution. but we're a very pro immigration country on that

score , pro refugees. but what score, pro refugees. but what we're not pro is having the system scammed by by a load of economic migrants and us having to pay the bill, which last year was 3.2 billion. yes >> well, look, i don't think i can argue with that. benjamin and i agree that i wonder whether keir starmer does not want to become prime minister, because the few weeks want to become prime minister, becatold the few weeks want to become prime minister, becatold canadianew weeks want to become prime minister, becatold canadian conference he's told a canadian conference of lefties that he wants to augn of lefties that he wants to align eu regulation means align with eu regulation means he wants a deal with brussels to tackle the migrant crisis, which could involve a quota of 100,000 people year and the rest . and people a year and the rest. and now he admits that he likes the rwanda plan, even if it's working well, anybody who wants rwanda plan, even if it's wctacklenell, anybody who wants rwanda plan, even if it's wctackle illegal|ybody who wants rwanda plan, even if it's wctackle illegal immigrationiants rwanda plan, even if it's wctackle illegal immigration orts to tackle illegal immigration or refugees coming over in boats would be mad to vote in the tories and suella braverman again. >> you know, suella braverman has spent the last year saying she'll stop the and we she'll stop the boats and we have boats than ever. have more boats than ever. what's plan know , what's his plan then? you know, they said stop boats. they said they'd stop the boats. the to the only thing they managed to stop is the trains. i think that's how confused got. that's how confused they got. >> know what his plan is? >> do you know what his plan is? >> do you know what his plan is? >> well, we that the rwanda

>> well, we know that the rwanda plan doesn't work because. so, sophie, nobody has deported sophie, nobody has been deported and it's cost 140 million because blocked by the because it's been blocked by the courts, courts, which courts, by the courts, which they from the start, they knew from the start, because was was a ruse because all this was was a ruse to stir up publicity and try and divide to solve divide people, not to solve problems. many other policy problems. how many other policy is starmer axe that is will keir starmer axe that are proven work? are proven to work? >> it's not proven to work. >> that's the whole point. >> that's the whole point. >> he said he was. he told victoria derbyshire if it is proven he will still proven to work, he will still abandon it because he doesn't think right policy. think it's the right policy. >> admitted to say what, >> but he admitted to say what, the policy. >> but he admitted to say what, thei policy. >> but he admitted to say what, thei mean, licy. >> but he admitted to say what, thei mean, you know, you're >> i mean, you know, you're brighter than we've had brighter than that. we've had this knows how long and this for god knows how long and it hasn't. >> well, it hasn't worked because it's now this week at the court who hopefully the supreme court who hopefully will nod. that's why will give it the nod. that's why we the illegal immigration. >> the question was hypothetical. asked it hypothetical. he was asked if it works, exit? and he works, will you exit? and he said, will, because it's said, yes, i will, because it's ideological, because wants to ideological, because he wants to keep islington keep his friends in islington happy. absolutely >> well, first of all, boris johnson islington johnson lived in islington the whole prime whole time he was prime minister. so that's just, you know, slur. but you know, ridiculous slur. but you know, ridiculous slur. but you know what? >> brought >> that probably brought the house prices down. >> of taking each

>> the cost of taking each immigrant or each refugee to rwanda as much as educating rwanda is as much as educating a child at eton for a whole year. i think any serious politician would look that that would look at that and say that is a use public money. >> i think it talks about politicians. it's history vehicle because keire believes the solution migrant the solution to the migrant crisis the dark crisis lies in the dark corridors brussels. brussels corridors of brussels. brussels lies eu that has failed lies with an eu that has failed its people over the migrant crisis much so that maloney crisis so much so that maloney from an eu state has had to reach over 30. maloney a new nickname an eu state, has had to reach over to brexit. britain in for help because she finds no solace, no comfort, no help from the eu. the eu solutions to the migrant crisis is bribe countries and what should we do with them once we get here? once they get here in keir is putting they get here in keir is putting the fate of this country in the eu's hands . and to say that, to eu's hands. and to say that, to say that he wants to stop it if it's successful is literally saying open borders, open borders is a danger to this country. with that attitude, europe are now saying they want

a rwanda plan. >> germany has just stopped. they've said no more refugees, although european countries are saying we want we want to send people to another country . and people to another country. and funny enough, labour, when labour were last in power , was labour were last in power, was the jack straw. he said all people coming from from different countries should be processed outside . so why processed outside. so why suddenly change this ? suddenly change this? >> indeed, former former home secretary john reid is the guy that coined the term hostile environment. it was a labour home secretary who coined that term and actually the british people want this country to be a hostile environment to people that are trying to come here illegally. i mean, theresa may said only about three weeks ago that her use of that she regretted her use of that term. >> look, you know, i can >> but, look, you know, i can see why belinda's she's gone. >> woke hasn't she? >> woke hasn't she? >> i can see why belinda's career is a marriage counsellor. didn't very long because didn't last very long because you just the you can't just scream at the other you have to sit and other half. you have to sit and listen negotiate. hang on. listen and negotiate. hang on. and keir starmer is and i think keir starmer is being mature. you're not going to france. to solve this without france. benjamin. on benjamin. the far right is on the in europe.

the rise in europe. >> you wait till the may elections next year. support them far writers wanting them far writers just wanting your country to make its own laws to you lot. but next year in the eu elections just in may, the eu elections just see the far right see the rise of the far right because they are upset with because they are so upset with the eu's failure in this. and keir wanting help us. keir is wanting them to help us. you here supporting you, you sit here supporting you, support the people that let the boats in. >> we're the only that >> we're the only country that so far does not have a far right party. know so far does not have a far right party. it know so far does not have a far right party. it could know so far does not have a far right party. it could happen know so far does not have a far right party. it could happen because if what? it could happen because if we let people down, if we keep on letting in this on letting people down in this country nothing about country and do nothing about illegal everyone far illegal calling everyone far right, have a far right party right, we have a far right party and they're in government. >> suella braverman >> do not suella braverman stirs racial hatred. >> were called the >> they were called the socialists tice this weekend. >> carole, briefly, if you can tweeted uk. >> carole, briefly if you can we had to discuss rachel reeves because she be next chancellor. >> probably will be. we have to discuss keir because discuss keir starmer because he'll our next prime he'll probably be our next prime minister. worried his minister. i'm worried about his diabolical judgement . diabolical political judgement. this guy that can this is a guy that can be guaranteed wrong end guaranteed to pick the wrong end of argument completely. of every argument completely. >> don't call a flip >> they don't call him as a flip flop nothing. you know what flop or nothing. you know what

he's a he's a. he's a dull bureaucrat who. who shouldn't be the leader of the labour. the labor party. when he was standing to next corbyn, he looked because he looked quite good because he wore decent suit and he had wore a decent suit and he had a decent haircut and he wasn't a communist. looked and he communist. he looked and he wasn't communist and well, he wasn't a communist and well, he kind of was he kind of was because he completely was only two years completely it was only two years ago saying ago where he was saying what a great pal corbyn was, how he was great pal corbyn was, how he was great with and how great friends with him and how he made a very good he would have made a very good prime minister. oh, have we forgotten so you know, forgotten that? so you know, i think he's think he's weak. think he's a i think he's weak. i don't think he has any policy. he has no coherent strategy for almost anything. i his almost anything. and i think his problem to be that problem is going to be that i think the tories problem with him and labour is that labour have been out of power so long we've forgotten how bad they were. >> well, economic growth was much higher under the last labour government and the number of illegal refugees was much lower. so how can you say they've forgotten how it they've forgotten how bad it was? >> because there have been problems in europe since and you know with which know that with syria, which opened corridors allow people

opened corridors to allow people to merkel saying come to angela merkel saying come on in to there's only in world to europe, there's only one political leader of modern times more unpopular than jeremy corbyn and that's liz truss. >> so to quote tony blair, at least labour had the decency to do their crazy period in opposition. rob the tories ruined the country. >> she's not prime minister anymore. was prime minister anymore. she was prime minister for you not worry for 44 days. do you not worry about keir starmer's judgement saying things out loud that the pubuc public will hate? >> because the public don't >> no, because the public don't support >> no, because the public don't supthey where do get that from? >> the public support tackling illegal refugees. they know illegal refugees. but they know that rwanda is a ruse that is wasting public money. spaffing the wall, you might say you're so wrong. so wrong. >> so wrong. >> the polling says the red wall and working class constituencies cireng support rwanda wholeheartedly three quarters of them. >> and we know that rwanda isn't working. it's not working because chance to work clearly isn't legal. so starmer has said he will act rwanda even if it works. >> you have been hung, drawn and quartered. right? game, set and

match. can i ask you, though, can i ask you why? why is it that labour are so disconnected from working class voters? because the push for net zero they've reversed the ban on petrol and diesel cars. so now people have to find the money in 2030, not 2035 net zero is going to cost the country and it's to going cost ordinary working people. why don't labour care? >> course not. >> well, you of course not. looking at the polling which shows there's a massive shows there's been a massive shift, i don't think there's a single constituency single red wall constituency that expected turn that is not expected to turn from labour and from conservative to labour and for the last year i think it's completely wrong. okay, labour is 40s and the truth is in the high 40s and the truth is, you know, people look at a billionaire like rishi sunak and his dodging wife and they his tax dodging wife and they can see that they're of touch. >> the question that starmer really to answer the really needs to answer the labour party conference this week us and not them? and week is why us and not them? and i think he's got an answer i don't think he's got an answer for that. >> think he's a sensible man. >> i think he's a sensible man. he's we need that reaction. >> i think he's a sensible man. he' your need that reaction. >> i think he's a sensible man. he' your reaction,t reaction. >> i think he's a sensible man. he' your reaction, please?1. >> i think he's a sensible man. he' your reaction, please? mark >> your reaction, please? mark gbnews.com. next up from borders to boggs labour's party

conference triggers outrage from their own campaign group, lesbian labour, over the events . gender neutral toilets for everyone which saw men's urinals covered with curtains and the floor. and i hate to quote this word, but awash with male pee leading women's rights campaigner maya forstater asks if this is a sinister sign of things to come in labour's war against women . is it an insult against women. is it an insult to women? we'll discuss that

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gb news radio. fleet street kingpin kelvin mackenzie is waiting in the wings. >> but first, it's the formidable women's rights campaigner maya forster , who won campaigner maya forster, who won a landmark legal case against her former employer for unfair dismissal last year , losing her dismissal last year, losing her job after tweeting that biological women could not change their sex when all the war on women shows no sign of slowing as gender neutral toilets for everybody at this weekend's labour party conference in liverpool drew widespread condemnation on the campaign group lesbian labour slammed the facilities for being awash with male p after urinals in the unisex loos were hidden with black curtains whilst maya herself went viral on twitter after simply stating women do not want to have to sit on toilet seats that men have peed on. well, maya, great to have

you on the show. privileged to have you on the programme. what's your view on this? i mean, if these cubicles are self locking , what's the problem ? locking, what's the problem? >> it's an insult to women. they're not just unisex cubicles . they're not designed to be unisex cubicles . it's a great unisex cubicles. it's a great big conference venue that has unisex toilets . it has men's unisex toilets. it has men's toilets and it has women's toilets. you know, when you're in the men's toilets because there are urinals, there . but there are urinals, there. but somehow that wasn't enough . they somehow that wasn't enough. they had to make more of the single sex toilets into unisex toilets, including covering up the urinals with a with a black curtain, you know, so that means that men can't just get in, get out, you know, have a wee quickly . see, the men are forced quickly. see, the men are forced into the cubicles as they we all over the seat . then women have over the seat. then women have to go in and sit on it. you know, it's not, um , it's just know, it's not, um, it's just not nice and it's an insult to women to put them through that. when the, the conference centre

is not designed, you know , it's is not designed, you know, it's designed to have men's toilets and women's toilets because that's what people feel comfortable with completely right . comfortable with completely rigiand i would suggest >> and maya, i would suggest a visit to the restrooms isn't only about going to the loo is it? the whole space, including the sinks and the mirror. it's a place where women can convene and i guess let their guard down. >> absolutely . i mean, it's just >> absolutely. i mean, it's just a just a very basic thing. you don't expect to feel all unsafe and wary when you're going to the toilet. you know, it's not you know, it's not the highlight of the weekend, but you just expect it to be safe , to be expect it to be safe, to be private. and to be clear , where private. and to be clear, where the men and where the women are to go to. and they put out these great big signs that said, um, toilets for everybody with pride symbols on them and said , you symbols on them and said, you know, if you don't feel safe, talk to the staff. but they should have just left it as it was with men's toilets, women's toilets and unisex that's that's what toilets for everybody means

not forcing people to share toilets when most people really don't want to . don't want to. >> does this feel to you, maya, like an agenda, sort of normalising the idea that our gender is an abstract thing ? gender is an abstract thing? >> yes. i mean , i think, you >> yes. i mean, i think, you know, there's a war on this within the labour party as there is within every party. um, there are people who really want to push the idea that gender is fluid, that just saying that there are two sexes is, you know , makes you a bigot and a i mean, there were women outside the conference wanting to speak about single sex services, about women's experiences, and they were being shouted down as being fascists and. uh, you know, there are those elements within there are those elements within the labour party and then there are people like rosie duffield and jess phillips spoke for labour women's labour, womens declaration on um , you know, declaration on um, you know, there are other people in the labour party who are, who are

serious about women's rights and the equality act was labour's act. it was one of the last things that they did and it should protect women's rights and transgender people's rights separately. that's what it was designed to do and it's been misconstrued , located, it's been misconstrued, located, it's been misused. but but you know, the labour party could get back to protecting women's rights and protecting women's rights and protecting trans rights if they were serious about it . were serious about it. >> this takes the fun out of life as well, doesn't it? because let's be honest , when because let's be honest, when women go into a restroom together, they chat, they have a bit a laugh and they support bit of a laugh and they support each other. >> yeah , absolutely. especially, >> yeah, absolutely. especially, you know , especially at pubs, you know, especially at pubs, you know, especially at pubs, you know, especially at pubs, you know, the nightclubs, i mean, you know, but there are people who say, well, you know, the toilets in your house are gender neutral, but the toilets in your house are just for you and your and your family when you're out late night and you're out late at night and people drinking you people are drinking ing, you want go into the want to be able to go into the toilet and feel safe . and

toilet and feel safe. and whether that's having a laugh with or whether it's with your mates or whether it's getting from, you know, a getting away from, you know, a date that's wrong or date that's gone wrong or somebody who's who's getting two friendly, you know, the women's toilets, you know, are toilets, are you know, are a sort of bastion of safety and a refuge . refuge. >> well, indeed. and without indulging in any stereotypes. but these are just stories that my female friends have told me. you know, they go into the loo, have a bit of a cry. somebody else supports them, says, what's up? you know, lipstick is borrowed. a it's a social borrowed. it's a it's a social experience which is going to be taken away if there are blokes around, especially as you say, late night and those those late at night and those those blokes have had few pints. a blokes have had a few pints. a friend of mine, maya, went to a theatre recently which had unisex and she had to unisex toilets and she had to walk past urinals with her daughter, with men shaking their willies as they passed . so this willies as they passed. so this is a concern for little girls as well. and you could never send them into the loo on their own any more. could you? >> no, absolutely . it's design >> no, absolutely. it's design that's designed to make women

feel uncomfortable , ill and feel uncomfortable, ill and unwelcome in public spaces. and you know, it's not hard to design toilets that are private and that, you know, give men urinals, give women cubicles , urinals, give women cubicles, give people who who don't want to use men or women's toilet somewhere else to go. and there's nothing against having, you know, a few unisex toilets , you know, a few unisex toilets, but taking all of the signs off the doors and forcing women to walk past urinals and young girls walk past urinals is it's an insult indeed . an insult indeed. >> so do you think unisex toilets are here to stay? because i should add that at the conference venue now they've they've changed it and they've taken down this curtain in front of the urinals and i made of the urinals and i think made more of effort to create a more of an effort to create a space women only. i mean, space for women only. i mean, i suppose that would only have happened as a result of the backlash, just like you stood up to former employers. so to your former employers. so what do you think is going to happen?i what do you think is going to happen? i mean, are people going to get sick of this stuff or or is kind of rather

is this kind of rather depressing dystopian spectre of unisex toilets here to stay ? unisex toilets here to stay? >> um, hopefully. i mean, the government has said that they're bringing in a new building code. so for new buildings, they will have to have male and female toilets . and if they have space, toilets. and if they have space, a unisex option , which is a unisex option, which is completely sensible , most people completely sensible, most people would support that . so hopefully would support that. so hopefully if that goes through, then this spectre of all toilets changing to unisex won't be the future . to unisex won't be the future. but it doesn't cover schools and lots and lots of schools have been ripping out their male and female toilets and changing those into into unisex. and, you know, for young girls who are going through puberty , having going through puberty, having their first periods, it's embarrassing ing and they should be able to have privacy from boys and putting them into the same space where, you know, the sinks are together . they just sinks are together. they just don't have the privacy and, you know, lots of girls are saying they just don't go to the toilet. they don't drink.

>> and then you have, you know, urinary and how urinary tract infections and how are girls at school supposed to study if they can't go and have a wee? a true nightmare. a wee? it's a true nightmare. but i congratulate you on but can i congratulate you on everything you've achieved in standing rights? standing up for women's rights? and look fonnard our and maya, i look fonnard to our next encounter. my thanks next on air encounter. my thanks there maya for starter. now there to maya for starter. now coming up uncancelled with coming up in uncancelled with actor steve coogan defending the bbc's latest jimmy savile drama is broadcaster guilty is our state broadcaster guilty of rewriting its own history? i'll be asking fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie . plus, i'll be kelvin mackenzie. plus, i'll be asking kelvin, are the unions going to get even more powerful under a labour government? but next in the media buzz, as the government promises a clampdown on sick note . britain are government promises a clampdown on sick note. britain are some employees now exploiting mental health as an excuse not to go to work? we'll get stuck into that in the media buzz. that's into

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>> our unisex toilets and insult to women, big reaction on email. mark at gbnews.com. gene says hi mark. definitely a no no. i'd rather hold it in than use unisex toilets. well done gene. you must have a very robust bladder. how about elizabeth who saysi bladder. how about elizabeth who says i don't like dual sex? wc and the men appear not to like them either. a very stupid ideology. there was a reason our ancestors kept the sexes apart in certain situations. those were the days, elizabeth. now let's return to tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz and more front pages have been delivered . and we start with the delivered. and we start with the mail newspaper. how can the british left make excuses for a terrorist group that murders women and children? that's a piece by richard littlejohn, the headune piece by richard littlejohn, the headline on the front page of the mail, hamas. we will kill a hostage for each israeli attack . a horror threat of filmed executions as troops mass on

border and benjamin netanyahu says he has no choice but to launch a ground invasion . the launch a ground invasion. the guardian we felt the bullets flying around us also , air flying around us also, air israel declares siege of gaza as hamas threats us captives and starmer to pledge a new era of devolution for the united kingdom. because, of course, it went so well last time and those are your front pages. let's get full pundit reaction now with daily express columnist carole malone , journalist and malone, journalist and broadcaster benjamin buttennorth , and former brexit party mep beunda , and former brexit party mep belinda de lucy, now in a bid to tackle britain's spiralling welfare bill and to get more people back to work, health secretary steve barclay looks set to shake up the current sicknote system, with gp's told to treat patients first rather than rushing to sign them off work. it comes after recent figures showed that a record 2.5 million brits are off work due to long term sickness, with half

suffering from mental health issues. so are some people exploiting mental health as an excuse not to go to work? benjamin? >> no. and it takes some audacity from the health secretary. when the 7 million people on waiting lists to lecture about this, one of the key reasons, if not the key reason that so many people are off work sick is because they can't see a doctor. they can't get the appointment for the operation. they need. and so the thing that is making them sick carries on or in many cases their illnesses have got worse. they've developed mental health illnesses because of that situation . and maybe health situation. and maybe the health secretary should do his job and sort the nhs out before he lectures vulnerable people. but 5 million people can't be off sick with stress, they ? sick with stress, can they? well, that's the figure for the number of working age adults who are not active in the economy. >> there have got to be people gaming the system, which by the way, surely unfair on people way, is surely unfair on people with health issues. with genuine health issues. well, all, million well, first of all, 5 million people aren't sick with people aren't off sick with stress, are they?

>> well, various elements. >> well, various elements. >> mental health, >> it includes mental health, various ailments, including every . every other description. >> long term disabled >> and the long term disabled actually not true, since actually not true, because since 2019, the mental health aspect of that. >> i've realised my >> oh, i've just realised my hair's mess. i quite liked it hair's a mess. i quite liked it actually. do just. anyway actually. i do that just. anyway she's worried. >> she looks mental. she's worried. >> ooh,.ooks mental. she's worried. >> ooh, you're1ental. she's worried. >> ooh, you're inltal. she's worried. >> ooh, you're in trouble . no, >> ooh, you're in trouble. no, but it's rocketed since covid. you can't . you can't pretend you can't. you can't pretend that since covid mental health has suddenly mushroomed, especially among the young. now, actually , i think there is. actually, i think there is. there is no doctor on the planet that can give you a diagnose ipsis that you're suffering from a mental illness. doesn't a mental illness. it doesn't exist. diagnosis . so a lot exist. that diagnosis. so a lot of what of what's done of what a lot of what's done is has be assessed or your gp has to be assessed or your gp doesn't it at all. if you doesn't assess it at all. if you if you say you have mental health issues, well then you're signed off. that is wrong. is signed off. that is wrong. it is if up, if you're if you're fed up, if you're a bit depressed, if you're a bit anxious that is not mental anxious that is not a mental health issue . that's just life. health issue. that's just life. frankly and you can't. you're kidding yourself if you think that that is not being used now

to justify time off for people. i mean , the statistics, because i mean, the statistics, because you can't prove mental ill health, but of course you can. >> there are i've been through them. you get assessments from occupational therapists and you get an assessment there is no proof that have a mental illness. >> yes. if you have schizophrenia, they can almost say 100. you've got it. but all the bipolar. yes they can. they can diagnose, but usually when you've a psychotic episode can diagnose, but usually when you'you're a psychotic episode can diagnose, but usually when you'you're doing chotic episode can diagnose, but usually when you'you're doing somethingyde and you're doing something crazy, then they then they can. but generally, you just say, but generally, if you just say, i've got a mental health issue, if you doing something crazy, you've signed off work, you've got you signed off work, i be off work all i think you'd be off work all the time. >> can i just say, you know, >> but can i just say, you know, i lockdowns and i supported lockdowns and i stand that. but there's no stand by that. but there's no doubt that people their doubt that people saw their mental worse as a mental health get worse as a consequence that period. consequence of that period. and so we shouldn't be surprised that problems. that you have some problems. >> does that go on, do >> how long does that go on, do you think? so? >> why don't you ask the people long covid? >> why don't you ask the people loni covid? >> why don't you ask the people loni mean, how long do you think >> i mean, how long do you think long could go on years? long covid could go on years? >> and let's honest, i think >> and let's be honest, i think that health has that the mental health care has sort a bit of a sacred

sort of become a bit of a sacred cow at the moment. it's a very sensitive topic. you can't really it. no, you really question it. no, you can't. forbid you question can't. god forbid you question anyone you anyone who says, you know, they're from phobia they're suffering from a phobia or anxiety. and i'm not diminishing those genuinely diminishing those who genuinely have post—traumatic stress because from war because they've come from war zones. i think we have zones. but i think we have stripped the nation of its coping mechanisms . i think we coping mechanisms. i think we have made being mentally vulnerable almost a righteous thing, badge of honour , a badge thing, badge of honour, a badge of honour. just imagine what would have happened to this country if the veterans country if all the veterans after first world war and after the first world war and the world said not the second world war said not working. had a stressful working. i've had a stressful time, never rebuilt time, would have never rebuilt britain those britain and the fact that those men father was on a men my father was on a grandfather was on the burma railway under the japanese, and he from war and he came back from that war and went about eight and went straight about eight and a half could have had half stone. he could have had two, three years off to recover, went straight back to his surgery doctor to serve the surgery as a doctor to serve the community, duty. and community, to do his duty. and i think we've lost a little think we've lost that a little bit now. and i think children are being brought up to pop pills. i mean, children on antidepressant, more than antidepressant, it's more than they've been. that's wrong they've ever been. that's wrong because conditioning because we're conditioning children, not to deal with their

own health. children, not to deal with their oerelinda health. children, not to deal with their oerelinda thereh. a concern >> belinda there is a concern about real health and i'm about real mental health and i'm going to mention what you can do if struggling, but this going to mention what you can do if open struggling, but this going to mention what you can do if open to truggling, but this going to mention what you can do if open to exploitationit this going to mention what you can do if open to exploitation ands going to mention what you can do if open to exploitation and this is open to exploitation and this is open to exploitation and this is burden on is a massive burden on businesses ultimately the taxpayer. >> but also can help with >> but also work can help with mental health issues. when you get being part of get back into to being part of society. well, i mean, benjamin's happier since benjamin's much happier since he's back. >> you . >> look at you. >> look at you. >> your eyes are we need help >> your eyes are we need to help them support them. get back them and support them. get back into not them on drugs. >> well, i'm thrilled to be on the i'm afraid that when the sofa. i'm afraid that when you veterans, serious you talk about veterans, serious mental health issues are common among them. and we know that generations of veterans went through because they didn't through hell because they didn't get and feel to get the support and feel able to talk the ill health talk about the mental ill health they've suffered as a consequence in war consequence of being in war zones. think it's wrong zones. so i think it's wrong issue. i'm talking anyone >> say i'm not talking to anyone today going through that sort today is going through that sort of down. anyone know one of problem down. anyone know one so but there's veterans so but there's also veterans of iraq afghanistan might iraq and afghanistan might disagree well but they disagree with you well but they are getting they do are getting help and they do have serious mental issues. >> i think there's still a massive stigma, especially among heterosexual men, to admit that they're struggling . they're struggling. >> how can a nurse or

>> how can how can a nurse or a schoolteacher say, you know, i'm going to have to be off for a year off sick off as a result of stress? >> well, you don't know what they're going through. and, you know, truth that i think know, the truth is that i think if really wanted to tackle if we really wanted to tackle this, we'd change toxic this, we'd change the toxic culture, toxic masculinity culture, the toxic masculinity in drives in this country that drives men to highest rates of to have the highest rates of deaths under a different subject. >> there's a big difference between there's big difference between there's a big difference between anxiety and post—traumatic this post—traumatic stress in this country taking their own country are taking their own lives mental lives because of mental ill health. that's a different subject, you're subject, not because you're talking at home. talking about staying at home. you're they're not having talking about staying at home. you're health hey're not having talking about staying at home. you're health because it having talking about staying at home. you're health because oflaving mental health because of pencils. okay. >> word. >> well, last word. >> well, last word. >> i'm just going say there's >> i'm just going to say there's a demand happiness in a modern demand for happiness in society people think if society now. and people think if i'm got mental i'm not happy, i've got mental health that's not the health issues. that's not the case. that's not the case. look if any of the issues that we've discussed affecting you discussed are affecting you, you can mental health can contact the mental health charity samaritans support. can contact the mental health chathey amaritans support. can contact the mental health cha they do aritans support. can contact the mental health chathey do aitans support. can contact the mental health chathey do a brilliant support. can contact the mental health chathey do a brilliant job port. >> they do a brilliant job coming up, as jeremy corbyn refuses call hamas terrorists refuses to call hamas terrorists after the hideous atrocities against israeli citizens at the weekend. would the weekend. how bad would the situation been he situation have been if he was prime minister? my panel discussed in great britain

discussed that in great britain and union jackass. but next in on cancelled with the actor steve coogan defending the bbc's latest drama is our latest jimmy savile drama is our state broadcast too guilty of rewriting their own chequered history? plus is labour about to give more power to the unions? surely they've already held us to ransom . i'll be asking the to ransom. i'll be asking the wolf of fleet street kelvin mackenzie. he's

n ext next well, it's time now for uncanceled and this man will not be cancelled or silenced . be cancelled or silenced. comedian steve coogan launched a dramatic defence of the bbc over their new jimmy savile drama , their new jimmy savile drama, the reckoning that sees coogan portray the children's entertainer for the bbc has come under fire after admitting the

scandal following savile's death in which executives shelved a newsnight investigation revealing him to be a sexual predator with dame priti patel accusing the beeb of trying to rewrite the past . but speaking rewrite the past. but speaking on sunday with laura kuenssberg, the actor defended the drama against accusations it gives the beeb an easy ride over the scandal. >> do you think the bbc has learned lessons from the way he might have been enabled in this organisation and will continue to learn further valuable lessons? >> it's always difficult when an institution has to be culpable . institution has to be culpable. my initial concern was are they? are they trying to go easy on themselves? and jeff, the producer, said no , quite the producer, said no, quite the reverse. they want to put their feet to the fire. >> well, let's get reaction from the wolf of fleet street himself , kelvin mackenzie. kelvin, listen , let's talk about this listen, let's talk about this now. i think this drama is a great idea for a tv show, but i don't think the beeb should have made it the wrong people to make

it. >> i mean, they they've got they've had their hand in the blood for about 30 odd years with jimmy savile. they would have heard all the allegations in old days when a runner or in the old days when a runner or even a mini producer a even a mini producer made a complaint. nobody any complaint. nobody took any notice. happened today , notice. if it happened today, anybody who it on boom, anybody who tried it on boom, they'd be out door straight they'd be out the door straight away in my time, we ran a story saying that jimmy savile, who was working at broadmoor as a kind of freelance wheeling people about right, actually , people about right, actually, only the nurses didn't like it. they didn't like the atmosphere. they didn't like the atmosphere. they thought he had too much ability to go anywhere and quotes do anything anyway. so we run the story. what happened? jimmy savile sued us. the nurses were scared to then come fonnard right , because they would lose right, because they would lose all their jobs . we ended up all their jobs. we ended up having to write him a check for 25 grand as it was, he was actually abusing the these people who were criminally insane. now once that had happened , uh, nobody ever went

happened, uh, nobody ever went after jimmy savile again because they said, well, if the sun doesn't stand up for it, what's going to happen? so he, he manages to die at 82 or 83. he was never called to justice. and the truth about the matter is it would have been much better done if netflix had done it or even if netflix had done it or even if itv had done it. the idea that bbc are keep quiet about that bbc are keep quiet about that or that man over there has made an allegation that woman oh, forget about that. just forget that. right. and so i didn't i didn't agree with coogan's , but he was coogan's analysis, but he was being paid bbc. he was being paid by the bbc. he was bound. he's bound to defend them. go figure. >> mean, you smell a rat >> i mean, did you smell a rat with over the years? did with savile over the years? did you something wasn't right you think something wasn't right about this guy? >> anybody who had >> yeah. anybody anybody who had anything with him would anything to do with him would say not right say there's something not right . be honest with you, . but to be honest with you, just was a weirdo , just the way he was a weirdo, eccentric, constantly talked about his mum. he had a load of money and yet lived in some castle flat in leeds. there was a whole loads of things which were madness, nobody thought were madness, but nobody thought that abusing people of that he was abusing people of both sexes at every opportunity

for the best part of 40 odd years, nobody thought that. and as i say, the time that the sun did call him out, it cost us 25 grand plus lawyers fees . you grand plus lawyers fees. you know, that was enough to see everybody out. know, that was enough to see eveyeah,/ out. know, that was enough to see eveyeah, well, out. know, that was enough to see eveyeah, well, you. know, that was enough to see eveyeah, well, you did your bit >> yeah, well, you did your bit to try to call into account, but he had friends in the police force, didn't he? had friends in the number 10. number 10. >> right. and also had friends at the palace. and the palace. >> close personal friendship with he did. with king charles. yes, he did. so let's talk about so listen, let's talk about laboun so listen, let's talk about labour, likely to win labour, who are likely to win the and they will the next election and they will hand more power to the unions. surely a given the fact surely a concern, given the fact that the has that this year the country has been held ransom by those unions. >> yes. i mean, you know, today the deputy leader announcing the deputy leader is announcing you with you know, honestly, we're with you know, honestly, we're with you the we're with you, the you and the we're with you, the unions on on day one, we're going introduce x, y and z. going to introduce x, y and z. the issue about that is what's to going happen now is the doctors have been told actually wes streeting told the doctors today, don't about it me today, don't worry about it me if that dispute is still going on when we get in, we're going to you money, the rmt,

to give you the money, the rmt, we're give you the we're going to give you the money. there'll be by the way, the pay of the country is the basic pay of the country is going take inflation going to take inflation into account. first account. for the first time. everybody everybody will be on 150 grand a year. right asia is already eating our lunch. i guarantee you, we've come uncompetitive. there's bags of bad work coming our way. my bet laboun bad work coming our way. my bet labour, because of social media and various other things is a five year term. once people start sitting in it and they think , oh my god, unless i'm a think, oh my god, unless i'm a i don't know, why are they even appealing to the trade unions? they're being paid fine. but the reason there's only 5 million of them, our workforce is over 30 million. you'd have thought they would be on side. the would like to be on side. the other million who are funding other 25 million who are funding these ridiculous sector these ridiculous public sector pay these ridiculous public sector pay you've got pay rises. well, you've got extra for business, which extra costs for business, which is to the wage is going to be the living wage will up. will go up. >> plus getting rid of zero hours contracts, which many people to be on. people are happy to be on. >> they like zero hours. >> yeah, they like zero hours. >> yeah, they like zero hours. >> i think you had me on one of those when i was at talk radio anyway, prefer to get you anyway, but i prefer to get you on the no contract.

on the no hours contract. >> but you turned it up. >> but you turned it up. >> know what? >> you know what? >> you know what? >> for you, was an >> working for you, that was an argument a union. but the argument for a union. but the bottom is extra costs bottom line is it's extra costs for business. and it sounds to me like inflation and unemployment the line. unemployment down the line. >> worry about >> well, don't even worry about that. heading our that. unemployed is heading our way now. we are in we are in as a country. we are in a lot of trouble. right. we are living beyond our means. finally the bills come in and i'm afraid companies starting companies are already starting to lay people off. so expect by the this another reason why the this is another reason why labour going get labour are probably going to get in the time the general in by the time the general election takes place. we're saying november of next year. i expect our i think we're around about 3.9 or whatever we are for 4. i reckon it will be nearer 5.5, five and five and a quarter. it's going to go up sharply . we people are going to sharply. we people are going to be slung out of their work. >> perhaps, though, rachel reeves struck the right tone today where she was quite prudent, the of prudent, wasn't she? the sort of gordon brown 2.0. i mean, she didn't really spend in didn't really spend any money in her speech was going to her speech today. was going to be businesses would carry the costs. maybe are costs. so maybe labour are getting prudent, i doubt it.

getting prudent, but i doubt it. >> they're saying they're going to they're they're to be they're going to they're going to go. >> everything is going to be signed obr. signed off by the obr. >> well, that's know say >> well, that's know they say all cobblers, you know, all this old cobblers, you know, and then at the end of the day, they'll swerve around it. you know, of the day, know, in the end of the day, hunt said that the spending is going 28 billion a year going to add 28 billion a year forever. whether forever. i don't know whether those true. what i those numbers are true. what i do is that labour can't not do know is that labour can't not spend. have to spend other spend. they have to spend other people's we've people's money. however we've had conservatives have had the idiot conservatives have been doing it literally for the last years. so they're in a last few years. so they're in a very difficult position. anyway, we'll have a few years of laboun we'll have a few years of labour. it'll be an absolute catastrophe and then we'll be back running the party. >> well, listen, you could do worse, stuff worse, kelvin. brilliant stuff as always . let me offer some as always. let me offer some balance in regards to our discussion about the bbc. charlotte moore, the bbc's head of content, defended the decision end the drama decision to end the drama without dramatising the cover up, saying that's another story to be told. it's well documented what happened? we were very clear about purpose of this clear about the purpose of this story. have choose which story. you have to choose which

part the story to tell and part of the story to tell and why. brilliant stuff. well, listen, let's crack on now and let me tell you that it's time for your nominations for union jackass and greatest britain. so, carol, who's your greatest? britain today? >> mine is businessman colin kemp, who's 76. he's launched a campaign to raise 70 grand for a statue to honour the 17,000 royal navy sailors who died helping free to free died helping free to free died helping to free more than 150,000 slaves in 60 years. in the 19th century, you know , we the 19th century, you know, we get a lot of chest beating and history area over reparations, but we don't hear much about this, about the fact that britain helped end the slave trade and the royal navy in particular was instrumental in stopping slaves being transported . and so yeah , this transported. and so yeah, this is fantastic. colin says britain has very little to apologise for , and he's right. no one alive today was harmed by anyone who is alive today. we can't be held

responsible for what happened 200 years ago. so good on colin and i suspect he'll raise his money quite quickly. and i suspect he'll raise his mo greatiite quickly. and i suspect he'll raise his mo great shout, ckly. and i suspect he'll raise his mo great shout, benjamin. your >> great shout, benjamin. your hero of day. hero of the day. >> mine is the deputy labour leader, angela rayner , who spoke leader, angela rayner, who spoke at labour conference today and she an absolute have you she gave an absolute have you got malaria? >> not well. >> you're not well. >> you're not well. >> not well. there's >> he's not well. i know there's some absolutely brilliant. >> in that >> there's some bugs in that jungle. but what on jungle. but what are you on about? jungle. but what are you on abowell, was really impressed >> well, i was really impressed by how she talks about the fact that she is someone who grew up with mother who was with a single mother who was seriously ill. >> she's always talked about that. >> well, you know you my >> well, you know what? you my father a toolmaker, you lot. father was a toolmaker, you lot. you know, millionaires sitting in discuss in tv studios might discuss dismissing a working dismissing class as a working class who's gone on to be class woman who's gone on to be the minister the next prime minister but i think compelling think that's a compelling and impressive any decent impressive story. and any decent person would say, good on you, girl. >> well, she has done very well. and i've got to say, she's a formidable politician. how about you, belinda? who is your greatest britain. >> i had to give him >> mine. i had to give him credit where credit's due. it's rishi sunak that i've made as my malaria. but i rishi sunak that i've made as my malaria. buti know. i know. i malaria. but i know. i know. i may never make him it again. we

will see. but it's for showing solidarity to israel by putting the israeli flag up on 10 downing street while it was going through the most horrific attack from extremist attack from islamic extremists and the slaughter of so many innocent civilians . and i innocent civilians. and i thought that was the right thing to do. and his call to put it on government buildings so. >> well, i will declare rishi sunak the winner of tonight's greatest britain. carol, briefly, if you can, your union, jack, has jeremy corbyn this is the man, keir starmer. >> you remember, loyally backed to be prime minister he was asked time and time again over the of days to the last couple of days to condemn his quotes, friends condemn what his quotes, friends and hamas had done in israel, condemn what his quotes, friends and hemas had done in israel, condemn what his quotes, friends and he refusedi done in israel, condemn what his quotes, friends and he refused point in israel, condemn what his quotes, friends and he refused point blankael, condemn what his quotes, friends and he refused point blank to, and he refused point blank to say it. don't forget, back in 2009, he said the government had been wrong to proscribe hamas as a terrorist organisation. he said word dedicate bringing said the word dedicate bringing peace to the two nations. yes. so tell that to the men. women grandmas, grandfathers who've been slaughtered in the past 48 hours. >> benjamin your union jackass.

>> benjamin your union jackass. >> mine is the tv presenter, mark dolan. >> i beg your pardon? >> i beg your pardon? >> you are my union jackass. because in the last picture in last night's monologue, you declared that sadiq khan had failed to call hamas terrorists on his twitter feed somewhere . on his twitter feed somewhere. he posts a lot. that was completely false . he'd done so completely false. he'd done so 36 hours before, and i think it was stirring up unnecessary unease for the jewish community, who generally feel that sadiq khan has done a very good job. and i think should correct and i think you should correct the record. >> well, let me tell you that in my monologue, i said on air that his office had said hamas his office had said that hamas were terrorist group, that were a terrorist group, that he'd his he'd communicated through his office, remains the case office, but it remains the case that on his personal twitter with million followers, with over a million followers, he not tweeted anything on he has not tweeted anything on this subject. nonsense no. the mayor of london, mayor on mayor of london, his mayor on his 12:00 on saturday that hamas are terrorists. >> we're dealing with facts, mark. >> let me tell you, he tweeted about it on his mayor account, but personal account with but on his personal account with a million but, yes, a million followers. but, yes, he condemned so fair he has condemned hamas. so fair play he has condemned hamas. so fair play and belinda, briefly are so

my jackass . my jackass. >> oh, it's got to be david lammy, not just for wanting to date eu, that rubbish he date the eu, all that rubbish he was with. date the eu, all that rubbish he wasokay, with. date the eu, all that rubbish he wasokay, outh. date the eu, all that rubbish he wasokay, out of time. >> okay, we're out of time. >> okay, we're out of time. >> we're back tomorrow. i think we can all guess why headliners is next. see you soon. hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest news weather forecast . first we'll see some forecast. first we'll see some patchy low cloud and fog developing, particularly across southern parts of england and wales, but further heavy rain pushing into scotland . that's pushing into scotland. that's courtesy of weather fronts pushing over the next pushing through over the next few this weather front few days. this weather front a dividing line between warm to air the south and colder air trying come into north by trying to come into the north by the middle of the week. we've already cloud and rain already got that cloud and rain spilling parts of northern spilling into parts of northern ireland, western ireland, pushing into western scotland through this scotland as we move through this evening hours, evening into the early hours, elsewhere turning quite grey, there'll some mist low there'll be some mist and low cloud developing the of cloud developing by the end of the particularly across the night, particularly across southwestern the and southwestern parts of the uk and fairly mild temperatures for all staying in double figures. so staying up in double figures. so it's a wet start across scotland to start tuesday morning.

outbreaks of heavy rain which will continue to push slowly south eastwards through the day here. so we could see some further flooding issues brightening up across parts of england and wales. some low cloud, though, lingering across southern of southern counties. plenty of hazy sunshine here, lifting temperatures to around 23 or 24, turning increasingly windy across the northern half of the uk as weather fronts push in those weather fronts slowly push their way southwards into wednesday, heavy at wednesday, turning heavy at times, particularly across parts of wales, further north, brighter , sunny spells and brighter, sunny spells and scattered showers, particularly across northwest scotland. some of these heavy at times quite muggy across southern parts of the uk under that cloud and rain a bit fresher further north and turning cooler as we head towards the weekend .

ulez gb news is the top story. >> the israeli prime minister says atrocities committed by hamas during its attack on israel at the weekend mirrored those carried out by isis . those carried out by isis. speaking this evening, benjamin netanyahu, netanyahu issued a

televised statement saying that the airstrikes in gaza are just the airstrikes in gaza are just the beginning of israel's retaliate action. earlier, hamas threatened to kill israeli hostages if israel continued to bomb gaza without warning. more than 900 people have been killed in israel so far and over 550 in gaza since the first attack on saturday. and in a significant expansion to the conflict, hezbollah, islamists in lebanon, which is north of israel , have which is north of israel, have fired rockets in what they describe as revenge attacks for israel, killing four of their fighters . meanwhile, thousands fighters. meanwhile, thousands of propane palestinian protesters have been demonstrating outside the israeli embassy in central london tonight. israeli embassy in central london tonight . despite . we london tonight. despite. we within the last 15 minutes, the metropolitan police said that had now moved on and the protests had been wrapped up . protests had been wrapped up. but early this evening, if you're watching on television,

you're watching on television, you can see there are waving palestinian flags , free palestinian flags, free palestinian flags, free palestinian banners and fireworks being let off as chants of israel is a terrorist state rang out. the metropolitan police said it was looking into suspected criminal damage. well, the prime minister, rishi sunak, has attended a prayer service tonight in a synagogue reaffirming the uk's unwavering support for israel and the foreign secretary, james cleverly says the government will also stand by israel reaffirmed our support court to israel in its self—defence sense against this terrorist attack perpetrated by hamas, against unarmed civilians in many instances, this is an ongoing situation and of course we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses . well, in situation progresses. well, in politics today, the shadow chancellor said labour was ready to rebuild britain and restore

economic security after what she