here at the labour party live here at the labour party conference in liverpool and bev turner in london. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has pledged to crush hamas as he compared the terrorist group to the islamic state. the bombing of gaza continued overnight and hamas warned that if israel does not end its bombardment, it will execute one civilian live on television for every bomb that is dropped without warning . is dropped without warning. >> and pro palestinian protesters have gathered in new york, buenos aires and london, where three people were arrested last night outside israel's embassy rishi sunak. the prime minister said attempts to stir up community tensions will not be tolerated . be tolerated. >> i no , not here, not in >> i say no, not here, not in britain, not in our country, not in this century. >> say it as it is . that was the >> say it as it is. that was the message from the immigration minister, robert jenrick, to the bbc as the channel refuses to call hamas to tourists. instead, they are still saying they are

fighters , militants or political fighters, militants or political resistance . resistance. >> and in other news here, the labour leader keir starmer will deliver his keynote speech today at the labour party conference. he says he'll get britain building that's their slogan. if labour win the next general election . his speech is at election. his speech is at 2 pm. will bring you the latest. p.m. will bring you the latest. >> so that is a very packed show . lots to get through this morning. what do you want to hear from keir starmer in his speech this afternoon? what would persuade you to give him your vote? email us gbviews@gbnews.com. but first, here is the very latest news with . aaron with. aaron >> very good morning to you. it's 932 aaron armstrong here in the gb news room. more than 187,000 people in gaza are fleeing their homes this morning after israel continued its deadly attacks on hamas

terrorists . israel struck terrorists. israel struck hundreds of targets across gaza overnight as the conflict enters a fourth day. supplies of water, food and electricity have been cut off. palestinian authorities say more than 700 people have been killed there since saturday, amid reports entire neighbourhoods have been flattened. hamas has threatened to kill an israeli hostage for every unannounced airstrike and to publish a recording of each execution . ten hours ago, israel execution. ten hours ago, israel retook control of the gaza border fence, stormed by hamas gunmen at the weekend that left at least 900 people dead . well, at least 900 people dead. well, the leaders of france, germany , the leaders of france, germany, italy, the united states and the uk have issued a joint statement . this was last night. they offered their united support for israel and condemned hamas for what they described as appalling acts of terrorism . foreign acts of terrorism. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is working closely with israel .

israel. >> we are working very closely with them. they know that they have our support. they know that we will continue to work with them to help provide affect their country and the people of their country and the people of their country. and of course, to regain those people who have been kidnapped by the hamas terrorist . that's a dorset terrorist. that's a dorset resident, is set to challenge the home office in court over its use of the bibby stockholm barge for asylum seekers. >> carolyn parks, the mayor of the isle of portland , believes the isle of portland, believes the isle of portland, believes the government needs permission to use the vessel in portland port. well, the government plans to use barges and military bases to use barges and military bases to reduce the cost of homing asylum seekers in hotels . more asylum seekers in hotels. more on all of our stories on our website, gbnews.com now back to andrew and . andrew and. bev >> well, the labour party

leader, keir starmer will deliver his keynote speech today around 2:00. he's going to promise a decade of national renewal. he's promising a generation of new towns to get britain building again. join me in here at liverpool is paul richards, labour's party speech writer, party activist and like me, veteran of labour conferences , paul, this is the conferences, paul, this is the most important speech. keir starmer will make in my view, in his career to date, he's on the verge of a general election. there will be a general election for sure before the next party conference. the whole thing is going be rewritten going to have to be rewritten from to because of from start to finish because of the events unfolding in the terrible events unfolding in the terrible events unfolding in the middle east. >> i mean, the speech a >> i mean, the speech is not a speech somebody speech until somebody is standing on a stage delivering it often there are these very it so often there are these very last sometimes last minute changes, sometimes even the speaker has even after the speaker has started speaking . but on this started speaking. but on this occasion, absolutely dodi the events in the middle east have to be reflected, and i suspect reflected at the very top of the speech. >> and going to make the >> and he's going to make the point that is standing point that labour is standing foursquare israel, with the foursquare with israel, with the government. there is no

political divide here britain i >> well, it's very simple, isn't it? there is a democracy that is being attacked by a terrorist organisation as i say, this is their 9/11 and they're casting hamas as the al—qaeda or the isis of the equation. and i think that's absolutely right. so you saw the uk government react strongly in support of our democratic friends in israel and you'll see keir starmer doing exactly the same thing. it's a no brainer . no brainer. >> yeah. the foreign secretary, james is saying he's james cleverly, is saying he's not going to give a running commentary many british commentary on how many british people up in this. people are caught up in this. and indeed, there are any and indeed, if there are any hostages, is he right to do that? >> think so, because it would >> i think so, because it would just give succour to the terrorists if they knew that it was through. also, was coming through. and also, you families in you know, those families in england that they have england that know that they have family hostage family members who are hostage must hell . i must be going through hell. i mean, it must be worst mean, it must be the worst thing. know americans to thing. and we know americans to have been killed and held hostage. also, american citizens have been killed and held ho dual�*. also, american citizens have been killed and held ho dual citizens.merican citizens have been killed and held ho dual citizens.mericanthe zens or dual citizens. so and the fact that hamas are threatening to kill their just to kill their hostages just basically sort of basically tells you what sort of organisation they and they organisation they are and they need to be taken out, as the

israeli authorities have said, these the these people are not the palestinian people. this is a theocratic , fascistic theocratic, fascistic organisation that is not and has no place and has to be engaged in the most horrific mediaeval scenes of violence that i think we've seen. >> and i think they're right to be calling it the islamic state. paul important is it that paul how important is it that there is a political consensus in britain because we're a key part part of part of g7, we're a key part of the nations , and the the united nations, and the leader of the opposition is completely with keir starmer. you turn the back. you have to turn the clock back. if back 2018, 2019, if we were back in 2018, 2019, if jeremy corbyn was leader of the labour party, could be the labour party, this could be a moment. a very difficult moment. >> would have been >> it would have been totally different, it? you different, wouldn't it? and you may few years ago may remember a few years ago they this sort of staged they had this sort of staged event where the palestinian flag was delegate was given to every delegate on the front row and they all waved their and you it was their flags and you know, it was almost a sort of a rally. almost like a sort of a rally. and if corbyn was still and i think if corbyn was still leader of the party, that leader of the labour party, that would be happening it would be happening again. it would be happening again. it would hamas rally would be a sort of hamas rally instead a labour party instead of a labour party conference. and we know where corbyn's loyalties lie. you know, he doesn't believe israel

should really and you should exist. really and you know, be with know, he would be siding with the guys and so, yeah, it's the bad guys and so, yeah, it's a sign. andrew of how and a sign. andrew of how far and fast labour party has fast the labour party has changed. yesterday there was a one minute silence for the dead one minute silence for the dead on both sides because palestinian civilians are being killed as well . but it was it killed as well. but it was it was maintained with great dignity and i don't imagine that could have happened a few years ago. >> no, he was outside the conference hall. corbyn refusing to condemn hamas, refusing to condemn for triggering the condemn them for triggering the violence. still a member of violence. he's still a member of the labour party, paul. he's not a of the parliamentary a member of the parliamentary labour people often labour party. people often confuse the two. he's still a paid up member of the labour party. you comfortable with that? >> i that one thing >> i think that one thing keir starmer can do on his journey of proving labour has changed is to is kick him out. finally is to kick him out. finally i mean for years and years and years, corbyn has always thought, you know, he thought, you know, before he became leader that he was going to kicked out. he knew he was to be kicked out. he knew he was pushing envelope and taking pushing the envelope and taking the voting with the the mickey, voting with the tories. night, tories. night after night, attacking day attacking the labour party day after i don't think it

after day. and i don't think it would as a surprise to would come as a surprise to jeremy he kicked out. so jeremy if he was kicked out. so i think starmer can do that as a sort of final nail in the coffin and just proof that we have changed, we you changed, which we have. you know, look around this know, if you look around this conference, different conference, it's so different from years. i've been conference, it's so different frocompanies years. i've been conference, it's so different frocompanies with s. i've been conference, it's so different frocompanies with 33 've been conference, it's so different frocompanies with 33 of been conference, it's so different frocompanies with 33 of these, to companies with 33 of these, i think annually. i mean, it's so different us. different from all of us. >> i'll ask you about yesterday, for instance. so we saw peter mandelson, of new mandelson, an architect of new laboun mandelson, an architect of new labour, tony most labour, one of tony blair's most important advisors, just as important advisors, not just as he around here. yes, he omnipresent around here. yes, there he'd managed there he was. he'd managed to burgle the front burgle his way into the front row with shadow cabinet ministers. yes during rachel reeves quite reeves speech, i'm quite confident starmer confident when keir starmer makes speech this afternoon, makes his speech this afternoon, peter mandelson will be there, invited no invited or othennise. i have no idea. had sharp idea. peter's always had sharp elbows, that is a sign that elbows, but that is a sign that the yes, some of the new the old. yes, some of the new labour people let's face labour people who, let's face it, won three general it, labour won three general elections. still elections. blair was is still your most successful ever leader. back and leader. a very much back and alive kicking . alive and kicking. >> we a very sombre moment >> we had a very sombre moment at the start of conference where we showed a video to commemorate our margaret our general secretary, margaret madonna, died madonna, who very sadly died earlier this very sad . and earlier this year. very sad. and tony blair appeared in that

video paying his commemoration to margaret . video paying his commemoration to margaret. but video paying his commemoration to margaret . but the conference to margaret. but the conference was silent. there was no booing or or laughter or any kind of reaction . it was just very reaction. it was just very natural that our greatest leader should be there on the video paying should be there on the video paying his tribute. and also, you know, the tony blair institute had a whole series institute has had a whole series of meetings this week . of meetings this week. >> they the biggest of the >> they had the biggest of the night night. >> they had the biggest of the nig and night. >> they had the biggest of the nig and people.. >> they had the biggest of the nigand people are >> they had the biggest of the nig and people are very >> they had the biggest of the nigand people are very happy >> they had the biggest of the nig and people are very happy to >> and people are very happy to be no he's not be there. there's no he's not he's not at the party. he's obviously. but, you know, his institute lives on. and so there obviously. but, you know, his instituii lives on. and so there obviously. but, you know, his instituii think on. and so there obviously. but, you know, his instituii think it's and so there obviously. but, you know, his instituii think it's just so there is yes, i think it's just a recognition that you've got to learn from the people that win. right. >> so things here is tony >> so two things here is tony blair, a vote winner keir blair, a vote winner for keir starmer. do you expect to see blair, a vote winner for keir starion'. do you expect to see blair, a vote winner for keir starion the: you expect to see blair, a vote winner for keir starion the campaign ct to see blair, a vote winner for keir starion the campaign trail?ee blair, a vote winner for keir starion the campaign trail? tony him on the campaign trail? tony blair. tony blair. secondly you were is this conference 1996 were at is this conference 1996 when blair led labour party when blair led the labour party to a historic landslide victory , or are we in 1991, when neil kinnock thought he was going to lead labour to come to a victory and in fact lost, unsurprisingly, to john major, i think, are we at i think the

experience of 91, 92 where we thought we were going to win and then it was snatched from us terribly and neil kinnock had to concede defeat is seared on the hearts of those that remember that. >> so we're trying very hard for this to not be hubristic or triumphalist or the sheffield rally where it written up as rally where it was written up as a sort of labour's got it, we're all right, you know, and so we're not right. we are we're not all right. we are carrying ming vase very carrying a ming vase very carefully a polished floor carefully over a polished floor and so people have a spring in their i don't think their step. but i don't think it's a swagger. and i think there is a recognition we've got an awfully long go, a long an awfully long to go, a long way go. and don't you way to go. and don't forget, you know, the conservatives have still healthy still got quite a healthy majority of majority in parliament. a lot of seats you a lot of seats that, you know, a lot of switchers could switch from tory to labour and labour can still lose i asked lose the election. i asked neil kinnock this question the other night, actually not here, but in london, you know, london, and i said, you know, i'll the way. and he said, i'll be on the way. and he said, the are probably going to the tories are probably going to lose but dot, dot, dot, you lose, but dot, dot, dot, you know, not necessarily in the bag , right? >> or it could be a hung parliament. >> so the answer to your

question is actually probably more 63, which is the, you know, before a 64 election where labour about squeaked labour just about squeaked together votes to get a together enough votes to get a very small majority with a new prime minister. >> have unelected indeed. >> yeah. yeah and then a vision of technology and change that the labour party put fonnard and just enough people switched and so probably where we are. so that's probably where we are. your company , when talk to you your company, when i talk to you in the labour in gb news at the labour conference next you'll be conference next year, you'll be talking as part of supporting a labour rather labour government rather than some labour government, some kind of labour government, maybe minority, coalition maybe minority, maybe coalition maybe minority, maybe coalition maybe knows what. but maybe who knows what. but i think i think we're in for think it's i think we're in for an interesting and volatile time in politics. we're not in landslide territory and just finally on keir starmers speech , he's not great speaker, you , he's not a great speaker, you know that. >> a peculiar voice in >> he's got a peculiar voice in my view. if you hear it on the radio, more peculiar. radio, it's even more peculiar. yeah what's he got to do today ? yeah what's he got to do today? >> keep it short, will they never do? keep it serious ? never do? keep it serious? >> no. so no cheap jokes about no jokes about tool makers. >> i just think that's tacky and unpleasant and no need for it.

obviously ali, as we said at the top of this interview, has to address israel—palestine, but then tell the country how labour would be different and seal that deal would be different and seal that deal. you know, we haven't sealed think people deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen think people deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen out think people deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen out of think people deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen out of love people deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen out of love with jle deal. you know, we haven't sealefallen out of love with the have fallen out of love with the current government. people are annoyed, they fallen annoyed, but they haven't fallen in yet, so in love with labour just yet, so he needs to just do that. yeah. so has, he has to. he has to so he has, he has to. he has to cut through. and labour's challenge course, the challenge of course, the geopolitical are geopolitical events going on are really labour's very really crowded out labour's very carefully this week, frustrating messaging this week, frustrating be behind this i mean events dear boy events it. but dear boy events isn't it. but you you can't legislate for you just you can't legislate for it. it is a shame that i it. but it is a shame that i don't i don't imagine we're going to get a big labour poll bounce off this conference in the the tories didn't the same way the tories didn't either of the world's either because of the world's attention is elsewhere. but anyway, through anyway, he's got to cut through with something short, sharp, snappy and something which speaks to the nation about their concerns to concerns. he doesn't want to talk to in the hall. he talk to us in the hall. he should be talking to people out there country. there in the country. >> all right. that's paul richards. is labour party richards. he is a labour party speechwriter, party speechwriter, labour party activist, he's been activist, and like me, he's been coming these labour party coming to these labour party conferences 1989, conferences since 1988, 1989,

when neil kinnock was when of course, neil kinnock was prime and mrs. thatcher prime minister and mrs. thatcher was sorry neil kinnock was labour leader and mrs. thatcher was minister. going to labour leader and mrs. thatcher wasi minister. going to labour leader and mrs. thatcher wasi don'tminister. going to labour leader and mrs. thatcher wasi don't remember going to labour leader and mrs. thatcher wasi don't remember thating to labour leader and mrs. thatcher wasi don't remember that mrs. j say i don't remember that mrs. thatcher labour anything not doing so letting us doing so now keep letting us know thoughts on all our know your thoughts on all our talking points can email talking points so you can email us gb news gb views us at gb news gb views gbnews.com back to in the gbnews.com back to you in the studio. thank very much. studio. bev thank you very much. >> you , >> paul richards thank you, andrew. so israel has andrew. thank you so israel has imposed a complete night siege of the gaza strip . no power, no of the gaza strip. no power, no food and no gas. everything is closed. that was a message from the israeli defence minister in response . hamas has threatened response. hamas has threatened to start killing civilian hostages if israel continues to bomb gaza. the death toll continues to rise on both sides. about 900 people have died in israel since saturday's attack. so since israel began striking gaza in response, nearly 700 people have now died on the palestinian side . let's speak palestinian side. let's speak now to an israeli independent journalist who is over in tel

aviv, efrat fenigstein. good to meet you . good to see you again. meet you. good to see you again. efrat, thank you for joining us again on on the second consecutive day. so we spoke to you 24 hours ago. what has changed for you there in tel aviv? well all the picture above is getting a little bit clearer despite the fog that we have, we hear many unbacked explanations that are surfacing from the institution. >> it starts with iran and cyber attack that took down the idf tech infrastructure . then we tech infrastructure. then we hear a takedown of the observer lookouts of the fence. now we see now this morning we see air force pilots sharing stories on their twitter that they were up in the air fighting and protecting already 45 minutes after the breaches , which is after the breaches, which is very strange because citizens are saying that there was nothing in the air, no helicopter, no air force for five, six hours and more in parallel , there is a clear

parallel, there is a clear attempt in the mainstream media to silence any voices which are asking how come something like this has happened? calling any question fake news? so this has started in parallel. there are serious concerns . i'm sure serious concerns. i'm sure you've heard about israel having pnor you've heard about israel having prior intelligence to prepare and may have ignored it or mis prioritised it. so the associated press has reported. >> yeah, yeah, yeah . sorry. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. sorry. efrat. so. so this was the cairo intelligence official. >> he was in egypt and they said that israel ignored repeated warnings of what they're quoting something big and a terrible operation . netanyahu's office is operation. netanyahu's office is obviously denied that they knew anything about this. but i guess what you're getting at is the question that everybody was asking over the weekend is how could the breach of these incredible world renowned defences have happened in the first place? do you feel that it's the time to be asking that

question now or should that come later ? later? >> look, we the citizens, are missing that explanation. that would prove that this was a failure, that it was this was a failure, that it was this was a failure and not, god forbid, a planned operation . we need to planned operation. we need to feel secure and safe at these times that we have a government thatis times that we have a government that is taking care of us. if, god forbid, this was a planned operation, then we are on our own. we have to take care of ourselves. and so people are naturally dealing with this question is it the time? i know it's harsh. i know people don't want us to ask this question , want us to ask this question, but we must do it because we need to know who we're facing and what's going on here. it just feels like everything feels very, very weird at the moment. >> i asked you yesterday, efrat, whether the israelis were trying to escape the country where the people were flooding to the airports and you said, no, you know, the priorities are to be

here. >> and in fact, aftennards, somebody had said on twitter that it was naive that it was a very naive question on my part. and i hold my hands up and say it probably it probably was a naive question because to live because i think to live in israel to and live your your israel to and live in your your region only to truly region is only to truly understand the loyalty you understand the loyalty that you feel to your country and the loyalty that you feel to your people. just just elaborate upon that bit for us, if you can, that a bit for us, if you can, to live in a region which is so unstable when , when the worst unstable when, when the worst happens, like this, your instinct is to remain right. >> so i don't think it was a naive question. i think it's a fair question. and i will just say before i will answer it, that a lot of people are looking into going away for a week or so . but the problem is a lot of air and air companies sorry, travel companies have cancelled their flights into israel. so it's harder to go in and out and pnces it's harder to go in and out and prices have gone up as well. so that's just the detail. but but

the loyalty and the sense of duty and camaraderie that we feel towards each other when emergencies and crises like these happen is something that goes way back in the israel early or maybe even jewish culture. and it amazes me every time to see when something like this happens, how quickly israelis know how to go into survival mode , emergency mode , survival mode, emergency mode, ask what's needed, how can i help ? how can i support people help? how can i support people that have already been dismissed from the army ? want to go back from the army? want to go back and help ? people are raising and help? people are raising money. people are raising are collecting food and passing it to people in need. there are many civilian initiatives taking place right now . so that kind of place right now. so that kind of , you know , atmosphere of we are , you know, atmosphere of we are bound to each other. we are one, we need to stand together . this we need to stand together. this comes up in emergencies like that. and at least i'm happy that. and at least i'm happy

that we have that. you know, we need some unification . and need some unification. and unfortunately, it happens mostly in hours of trouble like that. but at least it happens. >> yeah. yeah good to speak to you.thank >> yeah. yeah good to speak to you. thank you very much. stay safe and maybe return to us later in the week. so let us know how the situation is evolving there for israeli independent journalists. right. let us know your thoughts at home this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. first, though, go address. first, though, let's go back is at the back to andrew who is at the labour party conference in liverpool where sir keir starmer will promise a decade of national renewal with plans to grow the economy and support working people. hi andrew. >> thanks, bev. well, i'm joined now by john mcternan, who of course worked very closely with tony blair. john, it's almost as if is back at this if tony blair is back at this conference. he's not here because there'll be some people who want see him, who wouldn't want to see him, but blair institute but the tony blair institute is an important charity worldwide now , big reception night, now, big reception last night, which was standing room only. i was there . i think i saw you

was there. i think i saw you there clutching a glass of something. how big influence something. how big an influence is now on keir is tony blair now on keir starmer and his direction of travel? >> look, it was clear from tony blair's annual conference this yean blair's annual conference this year, annual year, the institute's annual conference, this chemistry between the two of them, they talk in public and they talk in private. and i think it's important he is very clear. tony blair won elections. and if labour wants to win elections, you get nowhere by ignoring the only guy who's still alive who won general elections for the labour so tony blair is labour party. so tony blair is important as people who were in the government, whether the blair government, whether peter kyle's advisor or pat mcfadden, his adviser, who are now yvette, was a was a minister for there they're in the shadow cabinet. but the point is this is the 21st century. these are big challenges, different challenges. and that's why tony's policy about tony's producing policy about the . rather than it's not the future. rather than it's not a whole bunch of this is this is new labour policy. >> it's and john it's a sobering statistic figure for people like you how many labour leaders have

won a general election since the second world war? go through second world war? we go through them. attlee, harold them. clement attlee, harold wilson, tony blair. >> no, no. and tony is the >> yeah, no, no. and tony is the only one born in the only one who was born in the 20th century. i think it is. >> why? why so bad? because because i think labour is a party that the country reaches to when it needs reconstruction. >> it needed rebuilding after the second world war. it needed rebuilding in the 60s and modernising social terms. it needed rebuilding after thatcher and major in the 1990s. now and major in the 1990s. and now after you know, after the pandemic and after the austerity and after the cost of living crisis, people once again are going labour could rebuild the trick for labour is to be so goodin trick for labour is to be so good in what we do that people good in what we do that people go actually will keep you in. we can't always be the kind of the emergency repair guys and it is interesting. >> one of the slogans is building a better britain. yeah, yeah. building a better britain. yeah, yeaand the progressive party >> and the progressive party centre parties only win centre left parties only win when they are talking about the future. yeah. and so we need to rebuild thing and i think some of some of the ideas and

of the some of the ideas and language that rachel used yesterday used today, it's not just it's not just about housing. it's not just about housing. it's not just planning. it's just about planning. it's actually some of actually about some kind of shared endeavour. do shared endeavour. we'll only do this government can do it this if the government can do it with local government. if the government can do it with business, if the government can do it families, and this is do it with families, and this is not that government can not a thing that government can do own, it's too and do on its own, it's too big and it always a thing that it always has been a thing that britain has to work together and i rather than i think unite rather than dividing a is a big dividing is a is a big difference between this conference and last week. >> you worked you've worked >> now, you worked you've worked on in your time on major speeches in your time for politicians, for labour politicians, including tony blair. this is the speech any the biggest speech of any politician's the politician's life. this is the biggest ever for keir starmer yes, doubt yes, because it is without doubt the last conference for the general election. this should be the last conference for the gen launchection. this should be the last conference for the gen launch pad1. this should be the last conference for the gen launch pad1. this selection. the launch pad for the election. they as we speak, still they are now, as we speak, still finessing the rewriting it finessing the rewriting and it reminds to the tuc reminds me, go back to the tuc conference in 2001. blair 9/11 had happened. happened? had happened. what happened? >> basically , almost >> well, basically, almost on the to tuc conference, the way to the tuc conference, tony had to rewrite his speech on the train to brighton because 9/11 happened. it changed the world. and tony, tony's a great

speechwriter. he actually wrote for himself, wrote the words he was going to say. he tore up what he was going to say to the tuc and he was not going to tear up what he says. but but something massive and geopolitical is happening at the moment israel with hamas. moment in israel with hamas. actually something giant and geopolitical is happening in ukraine and something something's changing in the world that a labour leader can't just talk about domestic policy, can't talk nhs or can't just talk about the nhs or housing. got to talk about housing. he's got to talk about geopolitics, about defence, about foreign affairs, and that's really hard because government dominate those things. the government go to summits things get into. summits and things to get into. the has to find the the national has got to find the language what would say language in it. what i would say is, know, three conferences is, you know, three conferences ago, delegate ago, a labour party delegate gates were waving palestinian flags . yesterday there was a flags. yesterday there was a minute's silence for israel and you couldn't hear a pin drop in the conference chamber. that's the conference chamber. that's the measure of a party that's changed. and keir today has got to words to tell the to find the words to tell the country. we've changed. we get you and we've got a vision for your future. all right. >> well, we'll find out very

soon here on gb news. if keir starmer has found those words. that's mcternan, former that's john mcternan, former adviser blair and adviser to tony blair and adviser to tony blair and adviser labour party. adviser to the labour party. still come , we're carrying on still to come, we're carrying on the up to labour the build up to the labour leader's going be leader's speech. i'm going to be speaking to a member the speaking to a member of the shadow cabinet who's written a very interesting one of very interesting book on one of labour's most successful leaders. you who that leaders. i'll tell you who that is a little later. is is a little later. this is britain's newsroom gb news, britain's newsroom on gb news, the channel. the people's channel. >> good morning. >> hello there. good morning. i'm welcome i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your news weather your latest gb news weather forecast . first, we've got heavy forecast. first, we've got heavy rain across scotland through today, disruption today, bringing some disruption . spells of . there'll be some spells of hazy sunshine elsewhere but it is quite grey start this is quite a grey start this morning. some low cloud mist and fog slowly burning back as we go through the morning. but taking its see the heavy its time. we can see the heavy rain north—west scotland rain across north—west scotland this pushing its this slowly pushing its way south and office south eastwards and met office rain force here, 20 rain warning in force here, 20 to 50mm of rain possible leading to 50mm of rain possible leading to some local flooding in places cloudier further north southwards across northern parts of england. but the best of the hazy sunshine once again, central and southern parts of england and wales, 23, possibly 24 degrees. that heavy rain

continues to slowly push its way south eastwards through tuesday evening. the met office warning eases during the evening time as that rain clears , showers that rain clears, showers following and then rain turning heavy as it moves into wales, into the midlands during the early hours south eastern areas staying generally dry. temperatures fresher temperatures turning fresher across single figures across the north. single figures here holding up 14 to 16 celsius. further south. so if this cloudy, wet zone across central parts of the uk wednesday morning, this generally slowly moving south eastwards as we head through the day. quite a muggy feel to things here. brighter across northern ireland, northern england into scotland, quite england into scotland, but quite a blustery north westerly a cool, blustery north westerly breeze here with some showers filtering in. temperatures here lower days, 12 to 15 lower than recent days, 12 to 15 up to around 21 towards the south—east see you soon. >> up next, we're going to have the very latest in the middle east with israel pledging to cross crush hamas as the fighting continues. and also last night, robert kennedy junior announced that he will be

standing hopefully to be president of america as an independent. and that is to going cut the democratic and the republican vote right down the middle . keep your views coming middle. keep your views coming as well this morning, gbviews@gbnews.com.

channel >> good morning. it's 10 am. on tuesday, the 10th of october. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce here live at the labour party

conference in liverpool and bev turner in london. >> good morning. israeli >> very good morning. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has pledged crush netanyahu has pledged to crush hamas compares the hamas as he compares the terrorist group to islamic state . the bombing of gaza continued overnight and hamas warned that if israel does not end its bombardment that it will execute one civilian on live television for every bomb that is dropped without warning . without warning. >> i'm pro—palestinian . >> i'm pro—palestinian. protesters have gathered in new york, buenos aires and london, where three people were arrested last night outside israel's embassy. rishi sunak says attempts to stir up community tensions will not be tolerated . tensions will not be tolerated. >> i say not not here, not in britain, not in our country, not in this century. >> say it as it is. that was the message from the immigration minister robert jenrick to the bbc as they refuse to call hamas terrorists . instead, they are terrorists. instead, they are using the phrase fighters, militants or political

resistance . and in other news of resistance. and in other news of course, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, today will make his keynote speech to the labour party conference. his keynote speech to the labour par it's onference. his keynote speech to the labour parit'sonfensame slogan get >> it's that same slogan get britain , which he says britain building, which he says they will do if the party wins they will do if the party wins the general election. the next general election. the speech kicks off at £0.02 pm. we'll all the latest here we'll have all the latest here on . gb news. on. gb news. >> i've asked you to get in touch this morning. you have been doing so in your droves. vaiews@gbnews.com i asked you what you want to hear from keir starmer in his speech. what would win your vote? rania said nothing persuade to would win your vote? rania said nothilabour persuade to would win your vote? rania said nothilabour and ersuade to would win your vote? rania said nothilabour and steve e to would win your vote? rania said nothilabour and steve e i'd vote labour and steve says i'd vote labour and steve says i'd vote for if he gave a cast vote for him if he gave a cast iron promise to keep inward immigration to less than 100,000 people those people a year. keep those messages coming but first messages coming to me. but first of here's your very latest of all, here's your very latest news with armstrong . news with aaron armstrong. >> good morning to you. it's 10:02. i'm aaron armstrong in

the newsroom. more than 187,000 people are fleeing their homes in gaza this morning as israel continues to launch deadly attacks on hamas terrorists . attacks on hamas terrorists. israel struck hundreds of targets overnight as the conflict enters a fourth day. suppues conflict enters a fourth day. supplies of water, food and electricity to gaza have been cut off. palestinian authorities say more than 700 people have been killed there since saturday, amid reports entire neighbourhoods have been flattened. hamas has threatened to kill an israeli hostage for every unannounced airstrike and to publish a recording of its execution . an hour's ago, israel execution. an hour's ago, israel retook control of the gaza border fence, stormed by hamas gunmen at the weekend that left at least 900 people dead . and we at least 900 people dead. and we can take you now live to the gaza strip , where you can see gaza strip, where you can see the aftermath of last night's airstrikes with plumes of smoke in the air, a mosque, apartment blocks and hospitals among more

than 200 sites hit the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu has described hamas fighters as savages, akin to the isis terrorist group israel has besieged the enclave and its forces are gathering near the border ahead of an expected major ground offensive into gaza . the un is warning that israel's siege will exponentially deteriorate the already dire humanitarian situation in gaza . well, the situation in gaza. well, the leaders of france, germany , leaders of france, germany, italy and the united states along with the uk, have issued a joint statement and they offered their united support for israel and condemned hamas for what they described as appalling acts of terrorism. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is standing ready to support british israeli families . british israeli families. >> i completely understand that there will be many people who are very, very concerned about family, about loved ones who are in israel . a very large

in israel. a very large proportion of the british nationals in israel will be dual nationals in israel will be dual nationals who regard israel as their permanent home, may even be serving with the israeli defence forces. but anyone that is concerned and should get in contact with the department, the contact with the department, the contact details are available on our website and we will of course provide support to any family who requests that of us. >> meanwhile , in london, three >> meanwhile, in london, three people were arrested during protests and vigils over the conflict between israel and hamas . one arrest was for hamas. one arrest was for assault on an emergency worker, another for racially motivated criminal damage and the third for possessing an offensive weapon. the met police is continuing its inquiries and they are increasing patrols in they are increasing patrols in the capital to reassure the public. the capital to reassure the pubuc.the the capital to reassure the public. the government says it's now safe for asylum seekers to return to the bibby stockholm home barge, but no date has yet been given the barge has been vacant since the outbreak of

legionella back in august, but a dorset resident is set to challenge the home office in court over the use of the barge to house asylum seekers . carolyn to house asylum seekers. carolyn parks, who lives on the island on the isle of portland and is also the mayor, believes the government needs planning permission to use the barge in portland. port human rights lawyer david hague says the case could impact the government's future plans. >> this is local residents. this isn't the european court, this isn't the european court, this isn't the european court, this isn't the supreme court. this is local residents saying the government has circumvented normal planning rules which protect local areas and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. now, whether or not this will have much impact because the barge isn't currently being used, but it may have impact barge isn't currently being used, fonnard. ay have impact barge isn't currently being used, fonnard. if have impact barge isn't currently being used, fonnard. if thee impact barge isn't currently being used, fonnard. if the government going fonnard. if the government was at putting other was looking at putting other barges areas, the uk barges in other areas, the uk might have the slowest economic growth among a group of g7 countries next year. >> that's according to the international monetary fund. the imf down graded its prediction for the uk's economic growth for next year from 1 to 0.6. this

would make the uk's growth rate the weakest among a group of advanced economies . the imf also advanced economies. the imf also predicts the uk prices could still go up by 7.7% this year , still go up by 7.7% this year, and the government will spend nearly £200 million to attract more teachers into the profession. the money will be used to fund scholarships, bursaries and salary grants. scholar ships for those training to teach maths, physics, chemistry and computing will be brought up to £30,000. tax free. it's after teaching unions warned of a deepening recruitment and retention crisis and the uk and ireland's bid to host euro 2028 is expected to be officially approved later today. it follows turkey's withdrawal to focus on a joint bid alongside italy for ,1.20 3210 stadiums, including wembley and dublin's aviva stadium are part of the bid. uefa has reserved to host births for non—qualifiers. but england will prefer to

qualify outright . the bid qualify outright. the bid expected to generate up to £26 billion, is seen as vital for uefa's financial recovery post covid this is gb news on tv , on covid this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker, just say play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev now it's back to andrew and. bev >> well, i'm here with you at the labour party conference and some breaking news. the uk is on forecast to be the slowest growing economy amongst advanced economies in the g7 next year. guess who says that? that's the international monetary fund, who've slashed britain's growth outlook ahead of the general election year. well, with me here in liverpool is our economics and business editor liam halligan. liam, i'm tempted to here we go again. don't to say here we go again. don't they always make these doom and gloom predictions have gloom predictions and then have to revise them upwards ? to revise them upwards? >> i'm afraid they do. this is a story i wouldn't say close to my

heart , but with which i have heart, but with which i have some familiarity. i work some familiarity. i used to work at the in washington, dc as at the imf in washington, dc as an economist and it seems in recent years they've had a real downer on the uk. i did a calculation six months ago that 27 of the imf's last 30 forecasts on on the uk economy have been too pessimistic. have they particularly since 2016, they particularly since 2016, the us doesn't like the fact that we left the european union and now the imf has forecast that this year we're going to grow by 0.4, which keeps us ahead of germany because germany are in recession, their economy is contracting. but next year we're going to grow by nought point 6, which time the other point 6, by which time the other g7 advanced industrial economies will have caught up and overtaken us, leaving us last at the bottom of the league table of growth, economic expansion among advanced industrialised societies . i don't think that's true. >> and what on what basis are they making? have they revised us backwards? >> well, they're saying that the uk is particularly prone to inflation. they're also saying

that uk interest rates are going to go up a lot further than they already are. the bank of england's increased interest rates to 5.25. the imf is saying that interest rates in this country will peak at 6, which if that's true, that's terrible news for lots of mortgage holders. people with personal loans, businesses who are indebted. it's also worth saying, andrew, you remember over the summer the office for national statistics announced it had miscalculate weighted growth over recent years. i do . and far over recent years. i do. and far from the uk having the slowest recovery from recession after the global pandemic. recovery from recession after the global pandemic . actually we the global pandemic. actually we had one of the fastest. so now our growth, our recovery since the pandemic is again in the middle of the pack of the g7 advanced industrialised countries. guess what? that was months ago . the imf have not months ago. the imf have not included those revisions in their current estimate, which strikes me as remiss remiss at best or deliberate. >> well , a bad best or deliberate. >> well, a bad judgement. >> well, a bad judgement. >> let's say, because they would have had time to include them if

they wanted to look for many, many years now, the imf has got forecasts about the uk economy wrong . if the imf were correct. wrong. if the imf were correct. andrew this country would currently be in recession . the currently be in recession. the economy would currently be contracting , but it isn't contracting, but it isn't contracting. it grew by about 0.3% over the last quarter , 0.3% over the last quarter, which given that interest rates have been going up around the world, wasn't bad . so i do think world, wasn't bad. so i do think this is over gloomy objectively. i any economist who looks i think any economist who looks back over recent imf forecasts would agree. there seems to be a systemic, gloomy ness towards the uk . but systemic, gloomy ness towards the uk. but that systemic, gloomy ness towards the uk . but that doesn't matter the uk. but that doesn't matter because this will be reported across main stream broadcast outlets in many of the newspapers that yet again the uk is at the bottom of the growth league within the g7 labour will make hay with that. i tell you what, the imf didn't include recent revisions in its estimate of british growth as i just said, but i bet keir starmer is revising his speech now to include a paragraph which says yet again we're at the bottom of

the uk of the worldwide growth league among advanced industrialised countries , industrialised countries, according to the international monetary fund, and it's interesting pat interesting because pat mcfadden, who's labour's campaign was on gb campaign director, was on gb news breakfast this morning with eamonn he was eamonn and isabel, and he was talking about the impact on the economy of covid and of the ukraine war. >> but when it suits them, they completely exclude that from when they want to criticise the british government's economic record. i think you it both ways. >> the whole economy, the whole global has is down in global economy has is down in the doldrums to some extent. we've had, you know , a once in a we've had, you know, a once in a century pandemic which led to the biggest contraction the biggest economic contraction in recorded history . then we had in recorded history. then we had the war in ukraine, which has hit western europe, particularly hard, unlike the states, because the got cheaper the states has got much cheaper energy because fracked , it energy because it fracked, it produces of its own oil produces a lot of its own oil and europe, the uk, we've and gas. europe, the uk, we've suffered because our energy pnces suffered because our energy prices have been particularly high and the uk does have the highest electricity prices in europe now for various reasons

and that is slowing growth. but we also, andrew, have a really good track record on inward business investment. we have a good track record of business creation in we have a good track record of entrepreneurial ism and our export ports to the not only to the eu but to the rest of the world have never been higher. so the uk economy has shown a lot of resilience as the ons, our own statistical service had to acknowledge over the summer when it upgraded not just future growth forecasts for the uk , but our track record on past uk, but our track record on past growth. the imf has completely ignored what the ons , which is ignored what the ons, which is one of the most respected statistical bodies in the world. it's completely ignored what the ons has said over the summer and that strikes me at the very best as a lack of judgement. let's talk as well, what's happening now , liam, in the middle east, now, liam, in the middle east, the impact on oil prices . the impact on oil prices. >> if you go back to the 50 50th anniversary of the war in 1973, yom kippur war led to a huge hike in oil prices as britain ended up with a three day week,

the lights went out and there was a change of government. the following year. how much of an impact potentially does what's happening and happening in the middle east and it be no quick it seems to be no quick solution. impact is that solution. what impact is that going have oil prices and going to have on oil prices and the international economy and on britain? well, this my worst case >> well, this is my worst case scenario, and i've written about it. it on the gb it. i wrote about it on the gb news website yesterday. i've written about it in telegraph columns. recent weeks columns. i've over recent weeks . there is a concern . and under . there is a concern. and under these circumstances, the imf forecast may be more credible that oil prices are rising , not that oil prices are rising, not just because the opec exporters cartel, led by the saudis , are cartel, led by the saudis, are deliberately pumping less oil onto global markets to keep pnces onto global markets to keep prices higher artificially high. we have seen oil prices go up, andrew, from around $70 a barrel in june to 91, $95 a barrel this month . you know, ask any van month. you know, ask any van driver the price of filling up the van with diesel , the family the van with diesel, the family saloon with petrol has rocketed, particularly in august. but also in september as well . and now in september as well. and now you have these tremendous these

awful events in israel, this escalation of violence which could spread across the middle east. fingers and toes crossed. it doesn't, but that's the danger to and global oil markets once again are bidding up the price of oil and opec, again, is restricting prices to push up that price of oil. it's not only for the opec members make more money. we're talking iran, iraq , saudi, venezuela, nigeria idea. it's not only do they make more money, some of the opec members actually want to put ideological pressure on the west, partly linked to the war in ukraine and perhaps now unked in ukraine and perhaps now linked to conflict, open conflict between israel and hamas . that's geopolitics. hamas. that's geopolitics. that's, i'm afraid, how it works. >> all right. that's liam halligan, who's our business and economics editor, who's rather sceptical about that projection from the imf, who don't like us. we shouldn't forget, of course, tom scholar who was sacked as treasury mandarin by liz truss, is doing work for the imf? >> i think you'll find he's very much on their payroll, but he

might much on their payroll, but he migyeah. now to come, >> yeah. now still to come, robert kennedy jr is going to robert f kennedy jr is going to run house as an run for the white house as an independent . but will independent candidate. but will joe donald trump be joe biden and donald trump be shaking their boots? we're gb shaking in their boots? we're gb news britain's

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> very good morning. it's 1019. >> very good morning. it's1019. thank you for joining >> very good morning. it's1019. thank you forjoining britain's thank you for joining britain's newsroom on gb news this morning. andrew pierce is at the labour party conference in liverpool and i'm here in london. i've asking

liverpool and i'm here in lontt0|. i've asking liverpool and i'm here in lontto get i've asking liverpool and i'm here in lontto get in i've asking liverpool and i'm here in lontto get in touch asking liverpool and i'm here in lontto get in touch this asking liverpool and i'm here in lontto get in touch this morning you to get in touch this morning and this is what you've been saying. we've got keir starmers speech this afternoon. we will be here on gb be bringing it to you here on gb news. but i asked you what would you hear in to order you expect to hear in to order get vote? mail in get your vote? a mail in sunderland has said will sunderland has said where will starmer new towns? starmer build these new towns? this is idea that they're this is the idea that they're going to build back better here in where will he find new in the uk where will he find new doctors, nurses, schools and services to support these new towns? if these houses are to be built to modern eco standards with heat pumps, which they should be, in my opinion, how will be built will these new houses be built cheaply? can be cheaply? so they can be affordable pauline affordable? and pauline northwich said , is itjust northwich has said, is itjust me? but whenever hear or see me? but whenever i hear or see a starmer talk, i find him extremely boring . and extremely dull and boring. and some would say, paul, that actually that is what some voters want is just a very steady, safe pair of hands . i steady, safe pair of hands. i don't know whether you saw rachel reeves, who would be she's currently shadow chancellor, who would be the first chancellor first female chancellor in history were to be elected, history were they to be elected, talking genomics . talking about secure genomics. that's her the idea is that's her plan. the idea is they're going to offer security, stability. but at home

stability. but you lot at home don't seem to agree, particularly sarah. and sarah has said the labour party announced a frenzy of house building and fortunately it won't over the last 13 won't happen over the last 13 years, the developers have held back building to back on house building to effectively artificially regulate house regulate and inflate house pnces regulate and inflate house prices by controlling supply and demand . and chris says nothing demand. and chris says nothing would make me vote for starmer orindeed would make me vote for starmer or indeed the labour party ever. and colin has said, does it really matter what keir starmer says today? next week he'll say something different. there are a lot of you agreeing with the idea that keir starmer is a stereotype of a flip flopper. keep your emails coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. but now back to andrew in liverpool . to andrew in liverpool. >> thank you, babe. well, we're here at the labour conference. we're just hours away and the excitement is mounting in the conference hall. sir keir starmer is to going make his keynote speech to talk keynote speech with me to talk about that of course, our about that is, of course, our very political editor, chris very own political editor, chris so, who is a so, and kevin craig, who is a political and former political strategist and former labour councillor. gentlemen, political strategist and former labour you 1cillor. gentlemen, political strategist and former labour you discuss3entlemen, political strategist and former

labour you discuss3entspeech. i'll let you discuss the speech. >> kevin you were there >> kevin craig, you were there yesterday at the business day, part of business day. this time last last monday. rishi last week, last monday. rishi sunak told business people that labour will tolerate you, but we love you. do you feel tolerated by labour or loved the that was an outright lie, actually by our prime minister. well, it's his opinion. well, it's a lie because i'm telling you the labour party is not tolerating business. it sees business as an absolute essential partner to get this country back on its feet again. and i've been a businessman for 25 years. i work with 100 people in with over 100 people in the company. founded labour company. i've founded the labour party is as pro—business party now now is as pro—business and understands the value of it in country as it did in 97. in our country as it did in 97. so where's the offer? where's the promise of the where's the promise of cutting corporation tax? where's the maybe cutting the offer of maybe cutting income tax for workers? well, the party's been really clear that it's in no position to start making predictions on tax before it's got the books. and it's seeing what state the country's finances in. what i did like yesterday, of course, was by our shadow was the pledge by our shadow chancellor to get back our

money. £7 billion, which was basically fluffed up the wall dunng basically fluffed up the wall during covid by this government and their pals homes bought off it by guys who started a company up four days ago. and we want our money back. chris, nice to interrupt there. >> how are they going to get it back when the current government hasn't think they've hasn't do you think they've tried it back? andrew tried to get it back? andrew it's it's a gimmick. it's a stunt. it's a gimmick. you're going to have going to have anti corruption tsar have an anti corruption tsar together. know, i know. have an anti corruption tsar tog i:her. know, i know. have an anti corruption tsar togi know know, i know. have an anti corruption tsar togi know you're know, i know. have an anti corruption tsar togi know you're anow, i know. have an anti corruption tsar togi know you're a bit', i know. have an anti corruption tsar togi know you're a bit twitchy i. >> i know you're a bit twitchy at the thought of the prospect of a labour government. okay, but boys are getting but listen, you boys are getting stuck this this stuck into it. this this government have government we currently have cannot administrate. they're not interested i've interested in the detail. i've got to say, to be fair kevin got to say, to be fair to kevin to intervene in that to intervene there in that little dispute, 100 people to intervene there in that little disthat. 100 people to intervene there in that little disthat speechople to intervene there in that little disthat speech on e to intervene there in that little disthat speech on the watched that speech on the rachel stand. that rachel reeves on the stand. that was biggest cheer was for was the biggest cheer was for that. so for me, that was an example politics away example of politics away from the snoring rachel the boring snoring rachel reeves oh politics. people oh yeah, actual politics. people feel, my cockney feel, yeah. excuse my cockney ism people feel done over ism right? people feel done over by what happened in covid and the of our money. and if the waste of our money. and if you're make ends you're struggling to make ends meet food prices going up,

meet with food prices going up, utility going through utility bills going through the roof, utility bills going through the roof , these numbers matter. and roof, these numbers matter. and that's tapped that's what rachel's tapped into. think it into. and i think it is important i do have faith in important and i do have faith in her. if they claw back a fraction , let's say 10 billion fraction, let's say 10 billion or whatever has gone missing, then that's going to be, you know, departmental the know, a departmental budget. the home office money home office put the money back. >> the money budget. >> we all want the money budget. >> we all want the money budget. >> so and it is what the tories have got now is they've got this huge cost the covid pandemic. huge cost of the covid pandemic. 400 billion, a war 400 billion, 100 billion, a war in europe. one's questioning in europe. no one's questioning that, billion. that, but that's 500 billion. they haven't had. they thought they going be losing they weren't going to be losing in 2019. yeah. and my point is because you make pledges because you can't make pledges on you've even been on tax before you've even been given responsibility the given the responsibility by the british thing you british people. one thing you know, and rachel know, keir starmer and rachel reeves him do reeves and those around him do not election is won. not think this election is won. okay serve this country is a okay to serve this country is a is a huge deal. and there is trust to be won by gb news trust to be won back by gb news listeners and viewers, the job's not done. very keen and he not done. we're very keen and he gets it. well, you know the problem we have , let's be honest problem we have, let's be honest about this, when you've got about this, is when you've got priti going rah , rah, rah. priti patel going rah, rah, rah. thanks, news. you're our

thanks, gb news. you're our pals. that doesn't go down well in the labour party. it's unhelpful for, i might say, credible journalists like your good or good self, more labour mps or leaders came show or leaders came on this show or these shows . andrew show, bev these shows. andrew show, bev show, would be show, whatever that would be watered chicken, watered down. well, chicken, chicken , chicken in the egg. chicken, chicken in the egg. move from gb news kevin, move away from gb news kevin, have you met keir starmer while he been here? not yet. i'm hoping to see later today hoping to see him later today after meet the team around after the meet the team around him. i mean, do feel as him. i mean, they do feel as though they're the coming government, they? government, don't they? they feel serious to me. feel like serious people to me. they who don't they feel like people who don't think is in the bag. that's think this is in the bag. that's the i can't say enough. the thing. i can't say enough. okay. there is a okay. he knows that there is a need now for more detail about what does life look like under the labour party. if it's given the labour party. if it's given the privilege serve, what's the privilege to serve, what's missing for me is the retail offer. around and offer. you and i around and andrew was to in 1996 when we at that conference before that big conference before looking into labour looking into the labour landslide 97th. now landslide in may 97th. even now i remember pledge cards i can remember the pledge cards education, education, education, tough on the tough on crime, tough on the five pledges, really five pledges, suppose people here pledges, i suppose people here don't his pledges don't know what his pledges are, really. and there's no there's no there's actual slogan that no there's no actual slogan that

people me, people understand and to me, they're they've been they're almost they've been given this opportunity to do it without well i would without earning it. well i would respectfully disagree with that. i think that keir starmer has shown trust, responsibility, love of country and a desire to serve the area's have been, you know, there's broad detail, you know, there's broad detail, you know, priorities using us as the biggest economy in the g7, the nhs safe streets, clean energy and opportunity. now, andrew, hang on. before you get stuck in that, there is a there's potentially a year go of this potentially a year to go of this election. every time labour's come out with a good policy, in my the tories nick it my opinion, the tories nick it because they are bereft and tired. so will see more tired. so you will see more detail coming. yesterday the shadow that shadow chancellor kicked that off be more from off and there'll be more from keir but every time keir today. but every time labour their mouth the labour opens their mouth the tories nick it right. >> what are keir starmer's five mission pledges. >> mission pledges are to >> the mission pledges are to create the fastest growing economy in the g7. okay. to create an nhs . create an n hs. >> create an nhs. >> i can't remember . >> i can't remember. >> i can't remember. >> listen, i'm a bit. i'm a busy

man. listen, i can't listen. listen, andrew. i'm hang on. andrew. andrew no, no, no, no, listen. it's all around us. andrew, take a look. my point is, i can't remember my kids birthdays. so listen, i want to finish. andrew. i'm okay. the opportunity linked back to the schools policies. there are five broad areas where this country will be different under a labour government with more detail to come anyway , there's a man come anyway, there's a man behind you. you should come on the show. peter mandelson. look at this. look at this. >> andrew. how are you going to come look at this. come on, look at this. >> come won't. come on. >> come on. he won't. come on. >> come on. he won't. come on. >> we're talking about you. we're talking about new labour's wonderful labour government and what it's going to offer the country. i back country. peter and i go back many, many years. how are you, my lord? >> pledges or five missions? >> five missions? no. >> five missions? no. >> five write them down. >> the five to write them down. >> the five to write them down. >> the economy. >> restart the economy. >> restart the economy. >> there you are. >> there you are. >> cheap green energy. get the nhs on its safer streets , nhs back on its safer streets, unlock educational opportunities , safer streets. >> you're on. he knows them . >> you're on. he knows them. >> you're on. he knows them. >> can i ask you a question?

>> can i ask you a question? >> why were you on the front row of a speech yesterday with the shadow cabinet? >> you're not in politics anymore. well andrew. andrew, there's a microphone . i was. there's a microphone. i was. i was . i was put there in order to was. i was put there in order to show my support for johnny reynolds and rachel reeves speeches , which i did with great speeches, which i did with great enthusiasm because they were great speeches . and i was put great speeches. and i was put there in sadiq khan. we were like two bookends. i've never really previously seen myself as a bookend to. but you know how the mighty have fallen. i mean , the mighty have fallen. i mean, you know, we've been reduced , you know, we've been reduced, reduced to being a stage prop . reduced to being a stage prop. >> when we lost our last interview, you my podcast, you said you missed government every single day. >> i do. >> i do. >> do you think this party misses it every single day ? misses it every single day? >> i think the bulk of it missed government every single day. there's still sort of small there's still that sort of small minority who prefer to be protesting in streets . yeah, protesting in the streets. yeah,

yeah. word. are they a very yeah. my word. are they a very small minority? >> now, peter, you and i have been going labour conferences >> now, peter, you and i have beemoreng labour conferences >> now, peter, you and i have bee more years labour conferences >> now, peter, you and i have bee more years than ir conferences >> now, peter, you and i have bee more years than ir cccaremces >> now, peter, you and i have bee more years than ir cccare to es for more years than we care to remember. does this feel to you more 91 conference when more like a 91 conference when kinnock make it? or does kinnock didn't make it? or does it like 96 when blair went it feel like 96 when blair went on that? it feel like 96 when blair went on certainly not 91. 92. nothing >> certainly not 91. 92. nothing like it. reasons in 92, like it. two reasons in 92, labour wasn't ready . we hadn't like it. two reasons in 92, labour wenoughady . we hadn't like it. two reasons in 92, labour wenough .iy . we hadn't like it. two reasons in 92, labour wenough . we we hadn't like it. two reasons in 92, labour wenough . we hadn'tin't like it. two reasons in 92, labour wenough . we hadn't won changed enough. we hadn't won back people's confidence. also in 92, the conservative leaves were still a fairly united fighting force under john major. chris patten was the party chair who was running a pretty good machine in. he had a cabinet who was still hungry for power. no, not now, not with these people, with rishi sunak. so they're all like three different party is fighting each other as if they're already in opposition . i they're already in opposition. i mean, you've got the centre right conservative party which you associate with david cameron. you've got the right wing which is headed up by rishi sunak, and then you've got the

further right conservative party sort of, you know , trumpeted and sort of, you know, trumpeted and supported by gb news. very good thing, very good. >> it doesn't help, does it, if priti patel is banging on about i think i want gb news to keep i want gb news to keep going. >> they're stirring the pot. they're creating divisions in the conservative party. we're doing a much better job than that. um undoing the conservative and very , conservative party and very, very timely it is too. you knew. >> you knew so mischievous. you knew tony blair. he's a friend of yours. yeah you still do, actually, he isn't here. you're here. people say to us that keir starmer is not tony blair. now is that you? worry about it? >> i said that. i said it's a bad thing. no, i said, keir starmer is not tony blair. but i said something else. he's the nearest thing to tony blair of any leader of the labour party since blair. right he's a mainstream politician. you know

, he's completely in touch with and connected with what people are thinking in the country. he's totally committed to restarting the economy and he's not wobbly on defence and national security. now, that's that's what people want to see from a prime minister. they saw it in blair big celebrity , big it in blair big celebrity, big box office. keir starmer is not the same as blair, but as i've said, he's the nearest thing to blair of any leader since blair. that's my view. >> and have you helped with his speech? >> no, i've i've been shy and retiring. i'm just going to sit there in the hall waiting with bated breath. will you be sat in the front row again? >> will you be in the front row ' 7 m. again? >> honestly, i will go where i'm put. i'll say one final thing. >> are you the secret power behind the throne? you and tony blair. everyone tells us on your daily with the team, daily contact with the team, you're scenes. i love you're behind the scenes. i love the team. the starmer team. >> remind me of the 1997 >> they remind me of the 1997 team. absolutely. faux pas

wokeist driven 24 over seven. i love the starmer team. they are so good and they're so professional. they care about the country. they know who they're talking to, which is the pubucin they're talking to, which is the public in this country, not their own party activists. so which one of them is peter mandelson? >> in the 1917? which one is this team? is the peter mandelson figure? >> you know who it is . come on. >> you know who it is. come on. you know who it is . he's great. you know who it is. he's great. tell us who he's great. >> peter mandelson, always a joy to talk to you. >> that's like that. >> that's like that. >> you see, we get labour peers on this show as well. >> lord mandelson . sorry. kevin >> lord mandelson. sorry. kevin was completely overshadowed. >> oh, no, it's great. >> oh, no, it's great. >> rightly so. and he >> and he rightly so. and he knew the five mission statements, unlike well, statements, unlike you. well, i'm business over 100 i'm running a business over 100 madison them. i'm running a business over 100 maiyeah, them. i'm running a business over 100 maiyeah, we're them. i'm running a business over 100 maiyeah, we're married. them. i'm running a business over 100 maiyeah, we're married. the knew >> yeah, we're married. he knew him quite well, didn't he? yeah >> thank you very we're >> thank you very much. we're going to let kevin go. going to have to let kevin go. and did. let him speak and we did. let him speak a little bit, but we wanted to hear from peter manton as well. keep letting us all your keep letting us know all your thoughts and talking points. vaiews@gbnews.com. thoughts and talking points. thhevs@gbnews.com. thoughts and talking points. thhe studio.ews.com. thoughts and talking points.

thhe studio. bev:om. in the studio. bev >> guys. okay. still >> thank you guys. okay. still to this hour, the to come this hour, the immigration has blasted immigration minister has blasted the not calling hamas the bbc for not calling hamas terrorists. they're terrorists. instead they're using words freedom favour using the words freedom favour fighters, political fighters, militants or political resistance. we're going to debate if the bbc is right to do so. and carbon rating for food . so. and carbon rating for food. and that's right, hilton hotels are adding carbon ratings to its menus to encourage customers to choose more environmentally friendly meals . i choose more environmentally friendly meals. i think choose more environmentally friendly meals . i think they're friendly meals. i think they're doing you a favour and i'll tell you why after this morning's news with . aaron news with. aaron >> it's 1032. news with. aaron >> it's1032. i'm news with. aaron >> it's 1032. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. more than 187,000 people in gaza have been internally displaced as israeli airstrikes against hamas terrorist targets continued overnight . supplies of water, overnight. supplies of water, food and electricity to gaza have been cut off as the conflict enters a fourth day. palestinian authorities say more than 700 people have been killed

there since saturday, amid reports entire neighbourhoods have been flattened . and these have been flattened. and these are the scenes live now over the gaza strip. you can see the smoke filling the sky following fresh air strikes that are happening with regularity. hamas has threatened to kill an israeli hostage for every unanswered announced airstrike and to publish a recording of each execution. israel says it has now secured the gaza border fence breached by hamas gunmen at the weekend that left at least 900 people dead . the least 900 people dead. the leaders of france, germany, italy , the us and the uk issued italy, the us and the uk issued a joint statement last night offering united support for israel and condemning hamas for what they described as appalling acts of terrorism . foreign acts of terrorism. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is standing ready to support british israeli families i >>i >> i completely understand that there will be many people who are very, very concerned about

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days from three on. gb news very good morning. >> it's 1039. this very good morning. >> it's1039. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me bev turner and andrew pierce in liverpool. so sir keir starmer has vowed to make the streets safer and our future brighter . safer and our future brighter. but is he the man to do it? i am delighted to be joined now by our senior political commentator, nigel nelson, and political commentator tanya buxton this. have buxton to discuss this. i have to ask you first, nigel, is this the labour party the first labour party conference been at conference you haven't been at in yes. and is that in decades? yes. and is that because now work gb because you now work for gb news? frightened go? because you now work for gb n61 no. frightened go? because you now work for gb n61 no. this frightened go? because you now work for gb neino. this is frightened go? because you now work for gb neino. this is a frightened go? because you now work for gb neino. this is a this1tened go? because you now work for gb neino. this is a this is ned go? because you now work for gb neino. this is a this is ani go? because you now work for gb neino. this is a this is an theyjo? >> no. this is a this is an they would welcome you . they would

would welcome you. they would welcome. they do welcome. gb news as this is an andrew pierce conspiracy theory. that is that i wouldn't show my face there amongst my labour mates because i work here. in fact, the reason is that unlike the tories, you don't need a lefty commentator up in liverpool because there's loads of lefties there. well, this is true. so i'm doing the shows in london. >> excellent. and have you ever been a political conference? been to a political conference? tony one in manchester. >> no, i've never been. but i gather that it's just all drunken debauchery. is that right? >> there's lot drinking. >> there's a lot of drinking. there's partying. there's a lot of partying. there's a lot of partying. there's a lot of partying. there's a lot of people who say that they're having conversations are going to conversations which are going to change nation. which change the nation. nigel which they're sort of they're not, which is sort of there isn't really, is there? it's situation. >> do think they're >> ian i do think they're actually fairly pointless because advantage it because the only advantage of it is they, the money they get out of there's a huge amount of of it. there's a huge amount of money they the thing . money that they own. the thing. >> so i learnt that the tory party conference, they make about million that about £2 million from that event and really. and the rest really. >> every drink that you >> yeah. so every drink that you have a hotel, they take

have in a hotel, they take a rake off from they take a rake off from that, they take a rake off from that, they take a rake off from the rooms. so it's a money raiser. the other, i a big money raiser. the other, i mean the politician earns dread them. hate these them. they actually hate these things. right. the things. right. right. but the activists all activists who actually do all the who go out on a cold the work, who go out on a cold and windy night, who leaflet they like to rub shoulders with they like to rub shoulders with the people they campaign for. so from point of view, it's from their point of view, it's a morale booster. yeah that's really why they happen. the rest of it is just very true. >> that isn't it? because those are the grass roots political activists which all of these activists on which all of these parties rely . yes. and it's like parties rely. yes. and it's like being in an orchestra. and this is band camp for them, isn't it? that's right. yes. >> absolutely >> that's absolutely it. >> that's absolutely it. >> what this their fun bit. >> but you want you do want, you know, the people that are working hard do want to rub shoulders with you. they want to know that they're acknowledged. and biggest and that's the biggest thing there. just that, there. so if it does just that, i didn't realise was raised i didn't realise it was raised quite much. quite so much. >> neither well, this is quite so much. >> thing. r well, this is quite so much. >> thing. there well, this is quite so much. >> thing. there arezll, this is quite so much. >> thing. there are loadss is quite so much. >> thing. there are loads of; the thing. there are loads of corporate stands there and apparently must ask andrew apparently and i must ask andrew about this when we back to about this when we go back to him little later, labour

him a little later, the labour conference has many more conference has got many more well who've got big well known brands who've got big supermarkets, you know, the brands stuff that buy in brands and stuff that we buy in shops there. then we're at the tory party conference. that's right. why is that? >> because this 1996 all over >> because this is 1996 all over again. normally business again. that normally business sort gravitates the sort of gravitates to the tories. this business tories. yeah, this year business knows will probably knows that labour will probably be the next government. they want up to the labour want to suck up to the labour party. thing happened party. the same thing happened in 96 when tony blair was on the verge of his landslide. >> so they're reading the political winds basically, and they're deciding to up to they're deciding to cosy up to laboun they're deciding to cosy up to labour. wonder if that's labour. i wonder if that's a little premature to tonya from the brand. little premature to tonya from the well, i. little premature to tonya from the well, you know, i think little premature to tonya from thewell, you know, i think i'd >> well, you know, i think i'd like it is, but the like to say it is, but the reality is, is that labour are going to win because people don't to tory, you don't want to vote. tory, you know, labour going to win know, labour are going to win not anybody wants labour not because anybody wants labour because nobody does, but there not because anybody wants labour be nothinngody does, but there not because anybody wants labour be nothing else. does, but there not because anybody wants labour be nothing else. and;, but there not because anybody wants labour be nothing else. and theit there not because anybody wants labour be nothing else. and the wayere not because anybody wants labour be nothing else. and the way our is nothing else. and the way our political system works, it doesn't allow for of the doesn't allow for any of the independents which people do want make it so they're want in to make it so they're winning by default, not because they've got anything to say. well, a fascinating well, there was a fascinating thing yesterday which thing survey out yesterday which showed consider showed that people that consider themselves to be working class

who for boris johnson in who voted for boris johnson in the 2019 election are now not going to vote for labour and they're not going to vote for conservative, but they're going for the more independent parties. >> the reform claims or the smaller ones. >> well, i mean, were these slogans i mean, just drives me nuts okay biased, nuts firstly. okay i'm biased, but cannot stand. i cannot but i cannot stand. i cannot stand tama's voice . stand tama's voice. >> it's a very good paper. >> so it's a very good paper. >> so it's a very good paper. >> is the changes . >> is the changes. >> is the changes. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. >> all i hear when he >> that's all i hear when he speaks. there's no statesmanship, manly ship about him slogans. you him and all these slogans. you know, of renewal. i'm know, a decade of renewal. i'm going to this. going to going to do this. i'm going to do that. i'm to, know, do that. i'm going to, you know, 13,000 more neighbourhood police pcsos we're going to change the nhs . it's pcsos we're going to change the nhs. it's just all big blah and no actually kind of content behind how he's going to do any of it. >> it's a lot of sloganeering, isn't there ? i think that's what isn't there? i think that's what we're going to see and bring it on and. rachel yeah , it's all, on and. rachel yeah, it's all, well, it's tubthumping, but maybe that's all he can do maybe nigel that's all he can do at the moment because the risk is, as tanya says, the risk is

that he, he says too much. and people go actually every time he's given any detail, for instance, immigration instance, sharing an immigration capacity with europe, he capacity with with europe, he seems to alienate people who are moving towards him. >> yeah. i mean, i think that you've got to remember that an election is due. they're all working on manifestos for election is due. they're all wor election manifestos for election is due. they're all wor election . manifestos for election is due. they're all wor election . they're ifestos for election is due. they're all wor election . they're not:os for election is due. they're all wor election . they're not going the election. they're not going to give too much policy away now while they're doing that. and yes, you're right. he got he got it in the neck over the over europe, over europe and migration . and totally migration. and he was totally misrepresented by the tories. but that's the danger. so misrepresented by the tories. but that's the danger . so every but that's the danger. so every time come up new time he's come up with new things that either tories things that either the tories have it or misrepresented have nicked it or misrepresented it. on this one, i think that it. so on this one, i think that he's a naturally cautious man. it'll be a pretty cautious speech with a few policy announcements in there that we know about the new towns, for instance, he's talking about building, gigantic. building, but nothing gigantic. >> there's no confidence in him as a leader. and that's the reality. mean, labour might be reality. i mean, labour might be doing polls, doing better in the polls, better conservatives, better than the conservatives, but unusual that leader but it's unusual that the leader is then hasn't got confidence.

so it shows you that it's got nothing to do with the party, nothing to do with the party, nothing to do with the party, nothing to do with him. it's just that people are so fed up with conservative rule. >> well, we saw rishi sunak non—conservative >> well, we saw rishi sunak non—ct to servative >> well, we saw rishi sunak non—ctto serva stage taking to the stage in manchester week, introduced manchester last week, introduced by . did you see any of by his wife. did you see any of that? were you familiar or did you like the approach of having her introduce him? no, don't her introduce him? no, i don't think i like it at all. think i didn't like it at all. >> no . also, they're very >> no. and also, they're very american , very american, very presidential. >> but of course, he didn't get the bounce the polls that you the bounce in the polls that you would expect the would expect after the conference. why, tonya? >> because nobody likes him and because also we just don't believe him. doesn't believe in him. he doesn't understand going understand what we are going through a billionaire's through. he is a billionaire's hustle and isn't he? that's what he is. he's super wealthy. i don't believe what comes out of his mouth. i don't think he's sincere. i think he has absolutely no idea what we, the british have been going british people, have been going through, suffering the through, the suffering that the common working you common man, working man, you know, to even know, you've got to even professional make professional people cannot make ends mind ends meet. never mind about anything he has no idea anything else. he has no idea about it. so that's why. >> you say he's

>> so it's not when you say he's not sincere, it's not that you think he's lying to the country. you i can't you just think, i just can't relate at all. >> not at all. >> not at all. >> it's braverman is 13 years of tory rule. they're tired. i mean, get tired. mean, governments do get tired. there's a kind of 13 year cycle which seems to come round. so margaret thatcher lasted 13 years. new labour lasted 13 years. >> unlucky for some and we've come to the end of this one. >> i do think the reason that i don't think it's a it's a numbers thing, i think it's the fact that conservatives did not have conservative rule. they did not rule like conservatives. they're the most unconservative of raised of government. they've raised taxes. really taxes. they've made it really hard businesses. what hard for small businesses. what they did during lockdown was obscene. was it was obscene. you know, it was it was draconian. it was it was static. it communist even, think. it was communist even, i think. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so how can that be conservative at all? it's very difficult now, isn't it? >> because they were at the helm dunng >> because they were at the helm during such a tumultuous period in they're of in time. they're now sort of talking were talking as though they were passengers that period of passengers at that period of time. you know, you were in the driving that's that's driving seat and that's that's a very prospect to sell very difficult prospect to sell to people. >> and obviously, have have

>> and obviously, they have have had things that came out had sort of things that came out of blue they weren't of the blue that they weren't expecting. ukraine war expecting. the ukraine war certainly and think that expecting. the ukraine war c mean,r and think that expecting. the ukraine war cmean, rishi and think that expecting. the ukraine war cmean, rishi sunak, think that expecting. the ukraine war cmean, rishi sunak, ithink that expecting. the ukraine war cmean, rishi sunak, i think,hat i mean, rishi sunak, i think, distinguished during distinguished himself during covid scheme. covid with the furlough scheme. that was great one, to stop that was a great one, to stop people losing their jobs. >> thing is, all he >> no, but the thing is, all he did not go back did is make people not go back to now, he's caused this mess. >> it's and also, i mean, in terms of the finances rachel reeves obviously talking yesterday, the shadow chancellor and going and saying that she's to going introduce it introduce a covid. was it a covid corruption commissioner, tonya, to rake back some of the money that was taken during that time ? covid fraud, covid corruption commissioner, tonya, to rake back some of the money that was taken during that time ? covid fraud, £7.2 billion time? covid fraud, £7.2 billion and only 2% of those grants has ever been recovered . ever been recovered. >> never going to happen. >> never going to happen. >> do you like the idea that she's she's looking to. i like the idea. >> she's looking to it. but again, it sounds like just a speech bubble coming out of somebody who wants to gain something. never to something. it's never going to happen. gone. they happen. that money is gone. they

didn't tabs on it then. didn't keep tabs on it then. they're not going to be able to get they're not going to be able to might have noticed, now when they're not going to be able to might have notihas now when they're not going to be able to might have noti has thev when go out to eat it has the calories on the menu. i'm not a big fan of that. i can't lie if i'm going out to eat, i want to treat myself. i don't want the guilt. now the hilton hotel, guilt. and now the hilton hotel, all ratings all are putting carbon ratings on i think they've on the food. i think they've done a favour, nigel. do you done us a favour, nigel. do you know because if you sat at know why? because if you sat at dinner someone who decides dinner with someone who decides not something because not to order something because the know, they're the carbon, you know, they're not going your friend. not going to be your friend. yeah, might be first date. >> that's it. you have a first date. >> that's it. first, first date and only date on that basis. >> first date with a man who says, oh, really fancy the says, oh, i really fancy the steak, but actually i'm going to go for the fish finger because it's a little less it's got a little bit less carbon. oh, my dumped carbon. oh, my god. dumped >> absolutely. absolutely. it's like walks in like it's like someone walks in with you know? don't with a mask, you know? i don't know i just walk. know why i'm here. i just walk. just walk straight out if that was anyway, was a first date. but anyway, but the thing about it is, is this whole carbon thing is especially burgers, you especially the fake burgers, you know, you know, know, the fake meat, you know, so you have a less so they want you to have a less carbon they want carbon footprint, but they want you something more you to eat something more processed. how

processed. and we know how bad processed. and we know how bad pron processed. processed. and we know how bad pronprocessed. so what you are processed. so what are you going planet or going to go for the planet or your own health? i mean, it's ridiculous. >> you can ignore these things if if the calorie if it's the work, if the calorie count on the and you don't count is on the and you don't want to what then want to know what it is, then you do you can ignore it. if you do want to know what it is, look at it same thing. if you're it the same thing. if you're environmentally it the same thing. if you're envi really ntally it the same thing. if you're envireally dolly it the same thing. if you're envireally do want to know what you really do want to know what the footprint, you you really do want to know what the really footprint, you you really do want to know what the really footirint, you you really do want to know what the really footi think you are really dull. i think i probably the probably still will have the ribeye the which ribeye steak which has the which has level. has the highest level. >> also add that it's >> but then i also add that it's got something like avocado. you know, it has less carbon know, it has a much less carbon footprint, at cost? footprint, but at what cost? so another these mono fields of avocados that you're getting now, cost to the world, now, at what cost to the world, to the bees, to nature. so, you know, these carbon footprints, they're not true examples. they're wokery. they're fake and they're wokery. they're fake and they're wokery. they're signalling. and they're virtue signalling. and i hate it. >> but also, i think >> so what? but also, i think what worries me, nigel, you say, you know, you can it, but you know, you can ignore it, but the psychological damage we're doing with all this, doing to people with all this, like metastasise rising of guilt all the time , you've got to feel all the time, you've got to feel bad. you've got to feel bad. we all want clean oceans, clean rivers , clean want to rivers, clean air. i want to live in a a clean live in a in a in a clean country most of our country where we most of our homes generate our own energy. so reliant on big or

so we're not reliant on big or you say that people want you could say that people want to and it's then up to be informed and it's then up to be informed and it's then up to them what choice they make. >> time it's an >> but this time it's an informed if you want informed choice. so if you want to a calorie meal, it to have a low calorie meal, it seems to be reasonable to see how calories that meal is how many calories that meal is going going to you. going to going to give you. isn't happens? isn't it funny how it happens? >> when the calories was >> because when the calories was first as being first announced as being a project , a policy that we were project, a policy that we were going to this on restaurants going to see this on restaurants , was quite happy , at first i was quite happy about reason. about it for that very reason. and i'm realising and now i'm realising psychologically what it's doing to the nation it's and it's to the nation and it's and it's now drip, drip and of course it's now become the every it's now become this. the every choice seems to about choice we make seems to be about some more . it choice we make seems to be about some more. it has to some sort of more. it has to have a moral dimension. it's loaded it's loaded with guilt and it's loaded with guilt and it's loaded fear . loaded with fear. >> adults, we can maybe >> and as adults, we can maybe deal it. but for children , deal with it. but for children, for kids, this carbon footprint thing really, really upset and isn't it about the idea that it's not going make any it's not going to make any genuine it's not going to make any ger note it's not going to make any ger not at all. if have >> not at all. if you have a fish finger butty, nigel nelson instead rib, probably instead of your rib, i probably won't . well, would help won't. well, that would help save the planet. okay, but . but save the planet. okay, but. but if you do that, we're living a joyless existence .

joyless existence. >> well, it depends on. on how much you care about that particular thing. so if you are somebody who really determined to get to net zero, you might have your fish finger all you're doing is you're telling you're giving people the information they need to make a choice. and they need to make a choice. and the more and the more choice you get, it seems to me that is a good thing . good thing. >> if hilton really wanted to save planet , if the >> if hilton really wanted to save planet, if the hilton save the planet, if the hilton group do they group wanted to do that, they would plastics throughout would ban plastics throughout their empire . that would their whole empire. that would save that would save save the seas, that would save so this virtue . so much more than this virtue. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> i agree with that. point is that they're doing these type of things to be should supermarkets to should be should be, should plastic. be, should be banning plastic. if we as if you know, if keir starmer came in and said, i'm going ban plastics, then going to ban plastics, then i would maybe vote for him. >> yeah, there are some things which with the which cut through with the public, also public, but i think it's also it's the futility of this. if you're compromising burger you're compromising your burger for a vegetarian pasta whilst china's building a coal fired power station every week, you're an idiot. yeah, but that's.

>> sorry, that is the argument for not doing anything . no, not for not doing anything. no, not the whole point is that that climate change is a world problem and the world has to pull together to do it. which means we do our bit. if china makes a small change, it'll be more important for the climate than than a big change. in a place like britain. it's just like of me not like the insanity of me not having a burger in order to do what it will be. >> it's about virtue. i don't like the phrase virtue. signalling virtue is generally good and being a good person is a good thing, signalling it is not. but of sitting not. but the idea of sitting across table someone not. but the idea of sitting acrorgoes, table someone not. but the idea of sitting acro:goes, oh,.e someone not. but the idea of sitting acrorgoes, oh, you're someone not. but the idea of sitting acrorgoes, oh, you're having ne not. but the idea of sitting acrorgoes, oh, you're having the who goes, oh, you're having the steak, well, steak, are you? oh well, i'm only have the only going to have the vegetarian pasta. >> well, i mean, that would make me order too. >> want to in nice >> i don't want to live in nice if becomes game one upmanship. >> no, it's going to be. >> no, it's going to be. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> why should it i would >> why should it be? i would actually this. this actually look at this. this thing. i would certainly take note but then i decide to note of it. but then i decide to eat what what i want to eat. eat what i what i want to eat. and somebody felt differently and if somebody felt differently because they really believe that they can actually help with the

climate , they go for the fish. climate, they go for the fish. >> do you know what it's going to cause? division. but everything that comes into everything else that comes into this sphere of environment and social governance, there's going to the to be arguments around the table. be table. there's going to be arguments amongst families. sorry. absolutely. arguments amongst families. sor but absolutely. arguments amongst families. sor but my absolutely. arguments amongst families. sor but my absthing.y. arguments amongst families. sor but my absthing is, is i >> but my main thing is, is i don't does to kids. don't like what it does to kids. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> the thing to me >> that's the main thing to me as , like you said, you're as adults, like you said, you're going whatever going to decide to have whatever you know, you you like, nigel. you know, you really will. and as would you and but what it does and as would i. but what it does to makes them feel to kids, it makes them feel guilty. the they've guilty. we all the time they've had enough fear and enough guilt laden, got 2.6 million people had enough fear and enough guilt lanthis got 2.6 million people had enough fear and enough guilt lanthis country2.6 million people had enough fear and enough guilt lanthis country offmillion people had enough fear and enough guilt lanthis country off sick on people had enough fear and enough guilt lanthis country off sick with >ople in this country off sick with long lot of that is long term sick. a lot of that is mental health conditions. this is a coinci dance, this is not a coinci dance, this mindset being moved into. mindset we're being moved into. can you imagine sitting at the table with a really virtuous teenager who's had week at teenager who's had all week at school it's their school being told it's their responsibility to save the planet? try and order planet? and you try and order a t—bone really enjoy having >> and i really enjoy having that conversation with them because i think whilst you said through my mouthful of your steak , yeah, but the whole thing steak, yeah, but the whole thing is that would actually spark off a that a conversation with that teenager and we could talk about

climate change and talk about his or her attitudes to washing, manipulating . right. manipulating. right. >> nigel thank you so much. we're going to be crossing back over to the labour party conference liverpool soon conference in liverpool soon where keir starmer will where sir keir starmer will pledge to fix broken britain. one vegetarian pasta at a time, presumably we are gb news britain's news channel. >> hello there . good morning. >> hello there. good morning. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we've got heavy rain across scotland through today, bringing disruption . bringing some disruption. there'll be some spells of hazy sunshine elsewhere but it is quite start this morning. quite a grey start this morning. some low cloud mist fog some low cloud mist and fog slowly burning back as we go through but taking through the morning, but taking its see the heavy its time. we can see the heavy rain west scotland, rain across west scotland, this slowly its way south slowly pushing its way south eastwards and met office rain warning in force here. 20 to 50mm of rain possible leading to some local flooding in places cloudier further north, southwards across northern parts of england. but the best of the hazy sunshine once again. central and southern parts of england and wales, 23, possibly

24 degrees. that heavy rain continues to slowly push its way south eastwards through tuesday evening. the met office warning eases during the evening time as that rain clears , showers that rain clears, showers following and then rain turning heavy as it moves into wales, into the midlands during the early . southeastern areas early hours. southeastern areas staying generally dry . staying generally dry. temperatures turning fresher across figures across the north. single figures here holding up 14 to 16 celsius. further south. so if this cloudy, wet zone across central parts of the uk wednesday morning, this generally slowly moving south eastwards as we head through the day. quite a muggy feel to things here. brighter across northern ireland, northern england into scotland, but quite a blustery north westerly a cool, blustery north westerly breeze here with some showers filtering in. temperatures here lower than days, 12 to 15 lower than recent days, 12 to 15 up to around 21 towards the southeast to see you soon. >> we're here. you're . in >> we're here. you're. in >> we're here. you're. in >> up next, i'm going to be speaking to people here at the labour party conference. despite the people just walked in the people who just walked in front in liverpool front of the camera in liverpool looking ahead to starmers

looking ahead to keir starmers dynamic speech, he's going to pledge britain. pledge to fix broken britain. that's this afternoon. that's at 2:00 this afternoon. this on

gb news. good morning . 11 am. on good morning. 11 am. on tuesday, the 10th of october. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce live at the labour party conference in liverpool. bev turner is in london. >> morning . thank >> very good morning. thank you for israeli prime forjoining us. israeli prime minister has minister benjamin netanyahu has pledged crush hamas as he

pledged to crush hamas as he compared the terrorist group to the islamic state. the bombing of gaza continued overnight and hamas has warned that if israel does end bombardment does not end its bombardment that it execute one that it will execute one civilian live on television for every bomb that is dropped without warning and pro—palestinian protesters, pro — palestinian protesters, they've gathered pro—palestinian protesters, they've gathered in new york, buenos aires and london, where three people were arrested last night outside israel's embassy. >> the prime minister says attempts stir up community attempts to stir up community hatred not be tolerated. hatred will not be tolerated. >> i say they not here, not in britain , not in our country , not britain, not in our country, not in this century , say it as it is. >> that was the message from the immigration minister robert jenrick to the bbc as it refuses to call hamas terrorists. instead, they say they are fighters, militants or political resistance . resistance. >> and of course, you know the big news, labour leader keir starmer will speak today in his keynote speech to the labour conference. he's going to fix

broken britain. he says if the party the general election, party wins the general election, that speech 2 pm. we'll that speech is at 2 pm. we'll bnng that speech is at 2 pm. we'll bring the latest . bring you the latest. >> get in touch with me here in london, won't you? vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. first, though, here is your very latest news with . aaron >> good morning. it's a minute past 11. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. more than 187,000 people have been fleeing their homes in gaza as israel continues to launch deadly attacks on hamas terrorists . attacks on hamas terrorists. israel struck hundreds of targets overnight as the conflict enters a fourth day. suppues conflict enters a fourth day. supplies of food, water and electricity to gaza have been cut off. its health ministry says at least 770 palestinian have been killed and 4000

injured since saturday. the enclave is home to some 2.3 million people. hamas has threatened to kill an israeli hostage for every unannounced airstrike and to publish a recording of each execution . ten recording of each execution. ten hours ago, israel retook control of the gaza border fence , of the gaza border fence, stormed by hamas gunmen at the weekend that left at least 900 of its citizens dead or we can take you live now to the gaza strip. you can see the smoke filling the sky following fresh strikes this morning. a mosque , strikes this morning. a mosque, apartment blocks and hospitals are among the 200 or so sites that have been hit . israeli that have been hit. israeli forces are also gathering near the border ahead of an expected major ground offensive in to the enclave. the united nations is warning israel its siege will exponentially deteriorate. the already dire humanitarian situation in gaza. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described hamas fighters as savages, akin to the

isis terrorist group . isis terrorist group. >> we didn't want this war. it was forced upon us in the most brutal and savage way. but though israel didn't start this war, israel will finish it . war, israel will finish it. hamas will understand that by attacking us, they have made a mistake of historic proportions. we will exact a price that will be remembered by them and israel's other enemies for decades to come . decades to come. >> well, meanwhile, iran says says it was not involved at the attack at the weekend. in a televised speech , ayatollah ali televised speech, ayatollah ali khamenei hailed what he called the irreparable military and intelligence defeat. he said the israeli regime's own actions are to blame for the disaster. iran does, of course, have links to the hamas armed group. now, the leaders of france , germany, leaders of france, germany, italy, the united states and the

uk have issued a joint statement. they offered their united support for israel and condemned hamas for what they described as appalling acts of terrorism. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is standing ready to support british israeli families . british israeli families. >> completely understand that there will be many people who are very , very concerned about are very, very concerned about family , about loved ones who are family, about loved ones who are in israel. a very large proportion of the british nationals in israel will be dual nationals in israel will be dual nationals , those who regard nationals, those who regard israel as their permanent home may even be serving with the israeli defence forces. but anyone that is concerned should get in contact with the department . the contact details department. the contact details are available on our website and we will of course provide support to any family who requests that of us. >> meanwhile , in london, three >> meanwhile, in london, three people were arrested during protests and vigils over the conflict between israel and hamas. one arrest was for

assault on an emergency worker, another for racially motivated criminal damage, the third for possessing an offensive weapon . possessing an offensive weapon. the met police is continuing its inquiries . they're also inquiries. they're also increasing patrols in the capital to reassure the public. the government says it is now safe for asylum seekers to return to the bibby stockholm barge, but they haven't yet given a date . it's been vacant given a date. it's been vacant since august following an outbreak of legionella . but a outbreak of legionella. but a dorset resident is set to challenge the home office in court . but carolyn parks, who court. but carolyn parks, who lives on the isle of portland and is also the mayor, believes the government needs planning permission to use the barge in portland port. human rights lawyer david haig says the case could impact the government's lawyer david haig says the case future plans. >> this is local residents. this isn't the european court. this isn't the european court. this isn't the european court. this isn't the supreme court. this is local residents saying the government has circumvented normal planning rules which protect local areas and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. now, whether or not this will have much impact because the barge isn't currently being

used, have impact used, but it may have impact going if government going fonnard. if the government was at putting other was looking at putting other barges other areas, the barges in other areas, the uk might the slowest economic might have the slowest economic growth group of g7 growth amongst a group of g7 countries next year , according countries next year, according to the international monetary fund , the imf downgraded its fund, the imf downgraded its prediction for the uk's economic growth for next year from 1 to 0.6. >> it would make the uk's growth rate the weakest among the group of advanced economies. the imf also predicts the uk prices could still go up by 7.7% this year. could still go up by 7.7% this year . the government will spend year. the government will spend nearly £200 million to attract more teachers into the profession. the money will be used to fund scholarships, bursaries and salary grants , bursaries and salary grants, scholarships for those training to teach maths, physics, chemistry and computing will be brought up to £30,000. tax free. it's after teaching unions warned of a deepening recruitment and retention crisis . we're on your smart speaker. just say play gb news we're on your digital radio and on tv of course as well. that's it for me

. now it's back to andrew and . bev >> well, we're just a couple of hours away now from sir keir starmer's keynote speech at the labour party conference. joining me is veteran of labour me here is a veteran of labour party conferences who's been to far conferences . i mean, far more conferences. i mean, certainly looks like he's been to more communism. kevin to far more communism. kevin mccarthy i'm the one mccarthy and i'm the one who always david always gets up from the david mellor mirror shadow mellor mirror and the shadow minister portfolio. minister without portfolio. so nick before we nick thomas—symonds, before we talk is a talk to mcguire, what is a minister without shadow minister without ? without portfolio? >> andrew, had to go >> well, andrew, i've had to go back through history and look at other people who've held this role, i'm told that one of role, and i'm told that one of the previous shadow ministers without portfolio who actually interpreted to mean shadow interpreted it to mean shadow minister of portfolios , minister of all portfolios, right. so, so i think you can safely say i can troubleshoot across the range of a roving trouble. minister yes , shooter, trouble. minister yes, shooter, troubleshooter. i hope rather than a troublemaker. >> let's talk to you , first of >> let's talk to you, first of all, maguire, kevin maguire and for we've been sparring for i, we've been sparring together more years than we

together for more years than we care remember. this feels to care to remember. this feels to me we're back in tory me like we're back in the tory conference. more business stands here, 2500 pounds to go and listen keir starmer make listen to keir starmer make a speech. worth the money? speech. is it worth the money? >> yeah. look, it's like 1996, 1997, the years after when labour was in power. >> corbyn britain knows there is change. seen polls. change. they've seen the polls. they people are they know what people are thinking they've shifted. they know what people are thirthat's they've shifted. they know what people are thirthat's thnit've shifted. they know what people are thirthat's thnit is. shifted. they know what people are thirthat's thnit is. ihifted. they know what people are thirthat's thnit is. i mean, >> that's what it is. i mean, last tory conference, last week the tory conference, you in manchester, you were there in manchester, like was, and was a like me, i was, and it was a funeral mean, this is funeral. i mean, this is this is a wedding , isn't it? everybody's a wedding, isn't it? everybody's jubilant . a wedding, isn't it? everybody's jubilant. even the a wedding, isn't it? everybody's jubilant . even the heckler who jubilant. even the heckler who was shouting at you earlier on, my supporter . my supporter. >> yeah. you're one supporter. you're only supporting more than you were shouting at me. tory boy, that as great boy, will i take that as a great comment because nobody's to going call boy. going call you a boy. >> well, hand >> yeah, well, he's hand movement mean, movement suggested. i mean, he was his beans . it was shaking his coffee beans. it was shaking his coffee beans. it was than that. was a bit more than that. >> to about >> we're going to talk about your shortly. are your book shortly. but you are an historian, as well as being an historian, as well as being an interesting an mp. an interesting analogy people this people keep saying is this conference in 1991 neil conference in 1991 when neil kinnock to going kinnock thought he was to going go inevitable victory in 1992 go to inevitable victory in 1992 and he blew it. and john major, and he blew it. and john major, an victory, it

an unlikely victory, or is it 1996, tony blair, young, telegenic , swept to a huge telegenic, swept to a huge labour landslide next year or is this 1963 when an old etonian chap called alec douglas—home became tory leader without an election and was beaten the following year with a quite a small majority by a modern rising leader called harold wilson . wilson. >> yes, and i think there is a comparison with the early 1960s for this reason as well, andrew, because the conservative majority in 1959 was 100,000. yeah. and it was overcome by harold wilson in one parliament. and i think what's quite remarkable here is what keir starmer has done in one parliament. people often ask , parliament. people often ask, used to ask me would he be would he be the neil kinnock who reformed the party but someone else won the election? but actually it feels actually at the moment it feels like combination like he's a combination of kinnock. smith and blair. what was achieved between 1983 and 1997? this is something we could achieve in one parliament if and this is the big if, we do get people to vote for us next year

in the general election because nobody has cast a vote for us yet. and that's something we all remember. >> come on, you lot. no, it's in the you're just parroting the bag. you're just parroting the bag. you're just parroting the if lucky enough, the line. if we're lucky enough, if vote if we're privileged if the vote if we're privileged enough, it's bag. the enough, it's in the bag. the tories divided. they didn't tories are divided. they didn't get a bounce their get a bounce from their conference just conference last week. just because the conservatives have lost trust doesn't lost the nation's trust doesn't mean inherit it automatically i >> -- >> it means we have to work for it. it means we have to earn it. and when you've lost, as have it. it means we have to earn it. antgeneral'ou've lost, as have it. it means we have to earn it. an(general elections:, as have it. it means we have to earn it. an(general elections in|s have it. it means we have to earn it. an(general elections in a have it. it means we have to earn it. an(general elections in a row, ave for general elections in a row, we've experience that defeat on a number of occasions . and what a number of occasions. and what that feels like and that gives us determination to us a double the determination to absolutely make sure that we can win as hack. absolutely make sure that we can win kevin hack. absolutely make sure that we can win kevin you. absolutely make sure that we can winkevin you and i, i mean, i >> kevin you and i, i mean, i wrote for the spike yesterday for the daily mail because the big story , is here, big story, he is not here, frankly. it's the terrible events unfolding in the middle east. keir starmer people will have working on that speech east. keir starmer people will hav months working on that speech east. keir starmer people will hav months work months 1at speech for months and months and months. to months. they'll have had to rewrite top to bottom. rewrite it from top to bottom. >> i don't think the >> yeah, i don't think the middle east would have been in the speech. the original speech. you wouldn't israel wouldn't have had israel and palestine. you? wouldn't have had israel and pal in ine. you? wouldn't have had israel and pal inine. way, you? wouldn't have had israel and

palinine. way, would u? wouldn't have had israel and palinine. way, would probably >> in one way, it would probably focussed russia , focussed on ukraine and russia, but in there now and focussed on ukraine and russia, but the in there now and focussed on ukraine and russia, but the tone there now and focussed on ukraine and russia, but the tone right now and focussed on ukraine and russia, but the tone right isyw and getting the tone right is absolutely important. >> and then you think your speech is going to be over shadowed by those terrible events in israel and palestine. so do you take out any announcements ? if they were in, announcements? if they were in, do you save them for another day? because there's no doubt on tv, radio, newspapers , online, tv, radio, newspapers, online, the speech will not get the coverage. it would have othennise got a lot of the oxygen is sucked in by that conflict. so it's a tricky task for him and it's a judgement call. but he's he's been pretty, you know, sure footed so far on all these questions. >> but it's hard, isn't it, nick thomas—symonds for a leader of the opposition to the the opposition to get into the narrative a major narrative when it's a major international unfolding international crisis unfolding because people want to hear from the secretary the foreign secretary who can pull prime minister the foreign secretary who can pull pull prime minister the foreign secretary who can pull pull levers. |e minister the foreign secretary who can pull pull levers. theinister the foreign secretary who can pull pull levers. the leader and can pull levers. the leader of the opposition any of the opposition can't do any of that. >> leader of the >> well, the leader of the opposition have office opposition doesn't have office in quite obviously. opposition doesn't have office in i quite obviously. opposition doesn't have office in i whatjite obviously. opposition doesn't have office in i what we obviously. opposition doesn't have office in i what we have)usly. opposition doesn't have office in i what we have seen so but i think what we have seen so far at this conference is a very strong line from david lammy and

from keir starmer in condemnation, unequivocal condemnation, unequivocal condemnation of hamas and the terrible attacks that there have been on israel. we had a moment silence yesterday that was led by angela rayner in conference of those lives that have been lost. and we're also being very strong on israel's right to defend itself , which we strong on israel's right to defend itself, which we support obviously has to be done in proportionate way. that is in accordance with international law. but i think what you've seen, andrew, is a real unity across the party on that. >> should you use the word terrorist? and i'm glad you did, because terrorist because hamas is a terrorist organisation . should the bbc organisation. should the bbc stop this nonsense of calling it calling them militants? they are terrorists ? terrorists? >> well, we support it prescription. we've supported that designation of them. the bbc wishes to do. it is obviously a matter what's your view? >> should they change it to terrorists just change it to terrorist? well, look , that's an terrorist? well, look, that's an editorial decision for the bbc. >> the last thing we want is politicians the bbc politicians ordering the bbc what very what to do. but we are very

clear on what is as an clear on what hamas is as an organisation . clear on what hamas is as an org iiisation . clear on what hamas is as an org iiisetalk . clear on what hamas is as an org iiisetalk to you about this >> i to talk to you about this man clement attlee. a lot man here, clement attlee. a lot of he won of people might think who he won two did. but why two elections. he did. but why is he the most significant leader? arguably apart from blair, apart from the fact he's one of only three who's won an election since the second world war? this so war? why is this man so important why important to you? and why have you a book about him? he you written a book about him? he is because his his is so important because his his changes to the country in the post—war era still shaped the country today. >> creation of the welfare state, creation of the national health service. they are things that are still with us today. he is shaping our society all these decades later, but also on the international stage as well. remember he founded nato with ernest bevin in 1949. nato today is still foundational to our security and has taken on an even greater relevance since putin's illegal invasion of ukraine. it's nato is attracting new members in 2023. and i think someone who is that significant in our history deserves another. >> why did winston churchill ,

>> why did winston churchill, who shared a wartime coalition with him, famously say of mr attlee , is a very modest man attlee, is a very modest man indeed. attlee, is a very modest man indeed . he has a lot to be indeed. he has a lot to be modest about when fact, they indeed. he has a lot to be modesliked ut when fact, they indeed. he has a lot to be modesliked each en fact, they indeed. he has a lot to be modesliked each other. act, they rather liked each other. >> they rather liked each other . and attlee always showed great compassion and politeness towards winston churchill was very keen when he won in 1945 that churchill wouldn't have to leave chequers too quickly if he didn't let him stay on for a few more weeks. he was quite happy for that to happen and there was a and there's for that to happen and there was a moment and there's for that to happen and there was a moment in and there's for that to happen and there was a moment in the d there's for that to happen and there was a moment in the midzre's for that to happen and there was a moment in the mid 1950s nice moment in the mid 1950s when attlee has been the labour leader for about 20 years. imagine that party leader for 20 years. there's churchill had been the conservative leader for 15. yeah. and there was a painting that had been done of winston churchill and the two of them were reflecting on the fact that both been party that they had both been party leaders and all the country had been through both with winning the but also the second world war, but also building the peace under clement attlee and the huge significance and of them both i think and stature of them both i think was really significant . was really significant. >> kevin you had to choose

>> kevin if you had to choose a labour the finest labour leader who's the finest since the second world war, you're an historian. you're a bit of an historian. >> , look. >> oh, look. >> oh, look. >> it? >> is it? >> is it? >> attlee i think the finest prime minister since the second world war. certainly the attlee, prime minister since the second worother r. certainly the attlee, prime minister since the second worother most tainly the attlee, prime minister since the second worother most significant ttlee, prime minister since the second worother most significant was“, thatcher. >> but i think she did. she did a damage and was a lot of damage and was a wrecker, she was significant. >> he was a builder. he was changer. >> but attlee, as nicks, made out the case for him, but he was an extraordinary was an extraordinary figure. he was an extraordinary figure. he was a posh boy who, through a he was a posh boy who, through his in the end his experiences in the east end of socialist . of london, became a socialist. >> there's a statue to him there. >> it was. it was a major in the army in the first world war. he was at gallipoli. and if you read this book. >> attlee and >> no, no, i worship attlee and i will buy the book. >> and i will get you to sign it and i will read and enjoy it and i will read it and enjoy it because there'll and i will read it and enjoy it bnnewse there'll and i will read it and enjoy it bnnewse on there'll and i will read it and enjoy it bnnewse on it. there'll and i will read it and enjoy it bnnewse on it. but|ere'll and i will read it and enjoy it bnnewse on it. but attlee is a new take on it. but attlee is a new take on it. but attlee is a is a figure who deserves being revered in britain . revered in britain. >> and in 100 years time, as the historian will they still be talking about your book on clement attlee or will they be talking about tony blair? because was because he wasn't a great he was he three elections. he's an he won three elections. he's an

historic wasn't historic figure, but he wasn't a great. what did he change? >> well, no, i think blair is underestimate , actually. i'd underestimate, actually. i'd have attlee at the top of the labour pantheon just behind labour pantheon and just behind him wilson and blair him i'd have wilson and blair behind think the behind it. and you think of the devolution legacy, you think what he achieved , blair achieved what he achieved, blair achieved through surestart, the national minimum wage, which is blair as well . well. >> independence of bank of >> independence of the bank of england, of the england, independence of the bank england, which bank of england, which is something that is completely accepted major parties accepted by both major parties in 2024. >> so i think blair does also have a great significance and deserves to be at the upper end of the panel. are you comfortable with how much influence he's got here now, the back driver , we had peter back seat driver, we had peter maddison his over maddison sticking his head over the i said, the platform here and i said, are you the back seat drivers? >> he's not the back driver >> he's not the back seat driver now. the front row now. he was in the front row dunng now. he was in the front row during speech during the during the speech during the shadow cabinet speech yesterday by he's to by rachel reeves. he's going to be again today. be in the front row again today. labour has got the labour blair. blair has got the party back. >> is that good? i wouldn't describe as backseat describe him as backseat drivers, mean , he's front describe him as backseat drive|i, mean , he's front describe him as backseat drive|i make mean , he's front describe him as backseat drive|i make no zan , he's front describe him as backseat drive|i make no apology; front describe him as backseat drive|i make no apology for)nt seat. i make no apology for learning the lessons from labour

politicians who've actually held power because we're 13 years out of power here. and i think going back to advice , whether it's back to advice, whether it's tony blair, gordon brown, peter mandelson, jack straw, many others era, that is a others from that era, that is a significant thing to do because we from them, just as we can learn from them, just as i people learn from attlee. >> with my book, i would say it's quiz. question it's a great pub quiz. question kevin say how many kevin when people say how many labour leaders have won a general since 1945 and general election since 1945 and people say six, seven, people tend to say six, seven, and they're dumbfounded when we say there's been and they're dumbfounded when we say labour there's been and they're dumbfounded when we say labour prime are's been and they're dumbfounded when we say labour prime ministers been and they're dumbfounded when we saylabour prime ministers inen six labour prime ministers in history . history. >> yeah, the kwasi five too many. m any. >> many. >> yeah. well the, the too many conservatives. i'll give you i'll give you at least you've had five since 2010. i'll give you at least you've hacyese since 2010. i'll give you at least you've hacyes . since 2010. >> yes. >> yes. >> that's not the tory party's finest hour. i'm not not to defend. >> you've had those great monuments to probity and success like liz truss , theresa may, and like liz truss, theresa may, and bofis like liz truss, theresa may, and boris johnson and his party, sir rishi sunak, who could not, you know. >> well, we don't know yet. >> well, we don't know yet. >> have a pint of milk. well, we don't know david cameron, who was drummed out because he lost europe. you've a europe. i mean, you've had a great you?

great time, haven't you? >> how has >> conference for you. how has it been? it feels to me as a veteran observer of these, that it been? it feels to me as a veteis1 observer of these, that it been? it feels to me as a veteis1 (governmenthese, that it been? it feels to me as a veteis1 (governmentheswaiting. this is a government in waiting. the atmosphere here i think is very significant. >> been coming for 25 years >> i've been coming for 25 years plus these your child, when plus to these your child, when you came, you your short you came, were you in your short trousers? very young. andrew very young. young. very young. very young. >> young >> they start them young in the labour and this does feel labour party and this does feel like like a historic moment. >> that is what it feels like. the atmosphere buoyant, the atmosphere is very buoyant, but i think, a but there's also, i think, a real professionalism, a real discipline determination discipline and a determination that isn't just me coming on as a cabinet member a shadow cabinet member and saying, complacency. think saying, no complacency. i think you amongst the you can see that amongst the members you can see that amongst the memberone question i give kevin you can see that amongst the merfinalyne question i give kevin you can see that amongst the merfinal word, estion i give kevin you can see that amongst the merfinal word, jeremy give kevin you can see that amongst the merfinal word, jeremy corbyn'sin the final word, jeremy corbyn's been outside bellyaching and refusing for refusing to condemn hamas for what happened the last few what happened in the last few days. he's still a member of the labour . should he be labour party. should he be a member of labour party? are member of the labour party? are you still you comfortable with him still being labour being a member of the labour party? being a member of the labour parthat obviously our party >> that is obviously our party membership has a specific process that has to you're process that has to be you're going sit on the fence, going to sit on the fence, aren't you? no, no. let be aren't you? no, no. let me be clear. reject clear. we completely reject that. that position is being taken by the previous leader on

this . we are unequivocal in our this. we are unequivocal in our condemnation an and in a sense, doesn't it show the extent to which the labour party has changed that we find the position that keir starmer and david are taking now david lammy are taking now widely accepted here across the party and that alternative position far from being a position far from being a position in here, it's a position in here, it's a position that's been taken in protest outside. kevin, what do you you have you think you should have condemned violence, condemned the hamas violence, the slaughter of the innocents in israel instead instead , he in israel instead instead, he said, i condemn all violence. well, that's good. condemn all violence. the same. but violence. i do the same. but when there has been a specific atrocity , we condemn that atrocity, we condemn that atrocity, we condemn that atrocity . then you can move on atrocity. then you can move on and condemn others . but, you and condemn others. but, you know, are going to try know, labour are going to try and stick with the government know, labour are going to try an(the:k with the government know, labour are going to try an(the wayith the government know, labour are going to try an(the way on the government know, labour are going to try an(the way on this;overnment know, labour are going to try an(the way on this issueiment know, labour are going to try an(the way on this issue asent all the way on this issue as they do on ukraine and russia . they do on ukraine and russia. but the key bit is where you said israel's response in gaza needs to be proportionate . now needs to be proportionate. now you've got the most harsh and i know, right. >> we'll see government in the history of israel . history of israel. >> there are going to be lots of

innocent civilians in gaza , too. innocent civilians in gaza, too. >> and i know we're under pressure and they're shouting at me. but on that, netanyahu is guilty of the most egregious security breach on israel's borders in 50 years. that's going to probably help inform his military response , which is worrying. >> well, look, i'm sure you'll have a range of things in his mind at this time. but the important thing for us is that they have right to respond. they have the right to respond. they have no doubt they do. they have no doubt in self—defence as self—defence. but as i emphasised proportion emphasised earlier, proportion in line with international law. >> right . that's kevin >> all right. that's kevin maguire from the mirror , who maguire from the mirror, who occasional commentator occasional political commentator , the first time on gb news for a time. this is nick a long time. and this is nick thomas—symonds is, thomas—symonds book. here it is, 30 amp here clement attlee 30 amp plug here clement attlee a politics by nick a life in politics by nick thomas—symonds . and did my thomas—symonds. and i did buy my copy, apparently i do hear copy, but apparently i do hear rumours it's already being reduced sure reduced in price. i'm not sure if that's no, we don't if that's true. no, we don't peddle myths here. on news. peddle myths here. on gb news. still robert kennedy still to come, robert f kennedy jr is going to jr has announced he is going to run as an independent the run as an independent for the white that's all to come

christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . radio. >> very good morning . it's 1124 >> very good morning. it's1124 with britain's newsroom on gb news with me bev turner here in the studio in london and andrew pierce at the labour party conference for us today in liverpool. let's go liverpool. now let's go stateside for a moment. huge announcement out last night. robert f kennedy jr has now officially announced that he's running for the us presidency, but not not as a democrat and not as was rumoured as a

republican. the nephew of famous president john f kennedy has said that he'll be running as an independent. so what does that mean for his chances? let's ask us political analyst eric ham. good , eric. great to see good morning, eric. great to see you . thank you forjoining us. you. thank you for joining us. just explain to our audience who might not be entirely familiar with robert jr and what with robert kennedy jr and what he represents, is he and who he represents, who is he and who is he talking to in the states ? is he talking to in the states? well he is the son of the late robert kennedy jr, the and the nephew of the late former president john kennedy. >> and he has been an ardent opponent of vaccinations, which is why he has been so revered by many on the right. but he still maintains a level of progressivism, particularly with democrats, which is why when he first announced that he was running for president, it appeared that he had the support of least 1 appeared that he had the support of least1 in appeared that he had the support of least 1 in 5 democrats. of at least 1 in 5 democrats. but now so much of that has changed and he hasn't been able

to get much traction as of late as a democrat, which is why he is dropping out of the race as a democrat and going to re—enter the race as an independent. but now what we're seeing here is republicans are now beginning to attack him where at one time they were actually lauding him. in fact, he had been recently invited to speak at a conservative group in new nevada. but now what we're seeing here is they see that he could actually begin to syphon votes from republicans based on his staunch message regarding vaccines . vaccines. >> so just to be really clear , >> so just to be really clear, and when you say that he he is anti vaccine, he had this label way before covid came along. this was a life's work for him. and in fact, it wasn't just about vaccinations. it was about the pharmaceutical industry . so the pharmaceutical industry. so he had spent many years , what he he had spent many years, what he saw as shining a light on corrupt pharmaceutical industries and the health of the nation. he's making a lot, isn't

he, about how healthy he is? didn't he, as the announcement yesterday, had himself like running up the steps of the of the building that we see in the rocky in the rocky movies . and rocky in the rocky movies. and he does a sort of physical and he's about he's about 65 i think maybe older but he's in great shape and he's wanting to run on this health ticket . i won't just this health ticket. i won't just fix the nation with drugs. i'll fix the nation with drugs. i'll fix you with fitness. and that's why it's appealing , actually, to why it's appealing, actually, to a of people who see that the a lot of people who see that the problems america are about problems in america are about self responsibility and looking after yourself . after yourself. >> well, it's unclear how far he's actually going to go as an independent candidate because remember, you know , as an remember, you know, as an independent candidate, you still have to register to actually get on the ballot in all 50 states. and in order to do that, you have to be registering at at least 15. and i think it's going to be very, very difficult for him. remember, most independent candidates really do struggle.

in fact, the last quasi successful third party candidate was ross perot, who actually garnered 19% of the vote. but that was more than 30 years ago. and right now, what we're seeing here is many democrats just don't see robert kennedy as a threat. in fact , they're threat. in fact, they're welcoming the fact that now he's running as a third party candidate. but of course, what we're now beginning to see is both the desantis and the trump campaign begin to attack him. so i think that speaks to just how concerned they are about the threat that he is in terms of syphoning off votes from those republicans for his independent candidacy. what a fascinating time. >> eric, though , in terms of how >> eric, though, in terms of how we define the left and the right . we have the same issue here in the uk and that's precisely what's happening in america. it's very difficult now , isn't it's very difficult now, isn't it, to decide when you've got that robert kennedy appeal going to the to the trump base just

reflect on that a little bit because it is something to do with this idea of personal responsibility and the power of the individual . the individual. >> absolutely right. >> no, you're absolutely right. in fact, the kennedys are known and they're seen as a paragon of democratic politics. and but we're also seeing just how much of a lightning rod that that robert kennedy jr is. in fact, we know that at least four of his siblings came out in a statement saying that they do not support his candidacy and have even railed against him . have even railed against him. but what we saw yesterday in that that rollout was there were other of his siblings that are there . and so i think that's there. and so i think that's i mean, robert kennedy jr is now , mean, robert kennedy jr is now, i think, the epitome of what we're seeing in us politics in terms of the polarisation that is infecting our politics on both sides of the aisle . because both sides of the aisle. because what you're seeing here is now this is an individual who, while he is representative of this this family that is seen as the

one form of royalty in the united states. he is still seen as someone who's nuclear to both sides of the aisle. and the question becomes, how do you actually try to bring sides together to actually get things done? and i think he is emblematic of that. what we're seeing right now in the united states . states. >> okay. thank you, eric. really interesting. eric hamm there for me. it certainly makes the run up to the american election much more interesting now. still to come on the program , we're going come on the program, we're going to the shadow to be quizzing the shadow secretary for the secretary of state for the environment, and rural environment, food and rural affairs, steve reed. and a labour council has said that it will cancel all christmas lights because of a challenging financial situation . ian, do you financial situation. ian, do you believe them that and much more after your morning's news with . after your morning's news with. aaron it's 1131. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. nearly 200,000 people are fleeing their homes in gaza

as israel continues to launch deadly attacks on hamas terrorists . israel struck terrorists. israel struck hundreds of targets overnight . hundreds of targets overnight. the conflict is into a fourth day. supplies of water, food and electricity to gaza have been cut off. its health ministry says at least 770 palestinians have been killed and 4000 injured since saturday. the enclave is home to 2.3 million people and the un is warning of a mounting human mkhitaryan disaster. hamas has threatened to kill an israeli hostage for every unannounced airstrike and also to publish a recording of its execution . these pictures its execution. these pictures are coming to us live from gaza , where it's just after 1:30 in the afternoon . israel has been the afternoon. israel has been bombarding the enclave this morning with some strikes hitting the nearby sinai peninsula in egypt . israel says peninsula in egypt. israel says it has now retaken control of the gaza border fence , which was the gaza border fence, which was stormed by hamas gunmen and 900

israelis have been killed since saturday. the government says it's now safe for asylum seekers to return to the bibby stockholm barge, but they haven't given a date yet. it's been vacant since august following an outbreak of legionella disease, but a dorset resident is set to challenge the home office in court over using the barge to house asylum seekers. carolyn parks, who is the mayor of the isle of portland, believes the government needs planning permission to use the barge in the port, and the uk might have the port, and the uk might have the slowest economic growth amongst a group of g7 countries next year . that's according to next year. that's according to the international monetary fund. the imf downgraded its prediction for the uk's economic growth from 1 to 0.6% next year. it would make the uk's growth rate the weakest among a group of advanced economies . the imf of advanced economies. the imf is also predicting prices in the uk could go up by 7.7% this year

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britain's news channel . 1037. britain's news channel. 1037. >> you're with britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pearson . i'm in liverpool andrew pearson. i'm in liverpool for the labour conference . bev's for the labour conference. bev's in talking. i've got in london talking. i've got right here with now. did right here with me now. did i say who is the say dan norris, who is the labour west of england metro mayor briefly, dan, tell mayor just briefly, dan, tell us what mayor as opposed what a metro mayor is as opposed to mayor to a city mayor >> you're regional mayor >> well, you're a regional mayor with powers, so it's with strategic powers, so it's for like andy burnham. for things like andy burnham. it's like andy burnham . but in

it's like andy burnham. but in my in bristol and the my case, i'm in bristol and the west country right now . west country right now. >> keir starmer labour say >> keir starmer says labour say if they win power, there'll be more mayors. why do we more metro mayors. why do we need layers of politicians need more layers of politicians and ? and bureaucracy? >> well, it's not more layers because the powers i have have been taken away from local councils, for example. so it's a different way of doing the thing. >> but there's bureaucracy >> but there's more bureaucracy . how many bureaucrats, many . how many bureaucrats, how many people ? people do you employ? >> 400 civil >> well, i got 400 civil servants, but servants, 400. but what? but they're not in london now. they're me doing the job they're with me doing the job where the decisions to where the decisions need to be made so they've better made. so they've got a better understanding. is a good thing. >> do you need 400? >> do you need 400? >> afraid i yeah. it's >> i'm afraid i do, yeah. it's unbelievably complicated . i unbelievably complicated. i mean, responsibilities unbelievably complicated. i methings responsibilities unbelievably complicated. i methings rtransport, ities unbelievably complicated. i methings rtransport, which for things like transport, which is immensely huge is immensely complicated, huge levels that apply levels of legislation that apply to to get it right. to it. you have to get it right. right. so those people, rather than london the than being in london or the south with me south east are now down with me and understand. south east are now down with me and un point|nd. south east are now down with me and un point is,. south east are now down with me and un point is, you are in >> and the point is, you are in touch you're local as touch because you're local as opposed servants opposed to civil servants driving issues in whitehall. >> i'm a genuine believer that you make better decisions, not always, but usually if you make the decisions close to where they're to impacting .

they're going to be impacting. right. civil right. and if your civil servants are in the area, if they're going to see the public that to affected that are going to be affected and even obviously members of and even be obviously members of the themselves, they're the public themselves, they're more good decisions. i think now reeves in >> i think now rachel reeves in her speech yesterday, one the her speech yesterday, one of the big ways she's going to big ways she says she's going to get again. get britain building again. she's reform planning she's going to reform planning rules had rules and regulations. if i had a norris for every a pound. dan norris for every time i've heard a politician say that liz truss said it, boris johnson said it. michael gove said it. it never happens . the said it. it never happens. the planning laws stay arcane, bureaucratic , always favouring bureaucratic, always favouring the housebuilders so how is it going to change? well, i think it's about your determination now . now. >> you, like me, have been around political scene for a long time and yes, there has been lots of pledges that haven't been met. but i think the circumstances are different now. think pandemic has now. i think the pandemic has made a difference to people's attitudes. think people are attitudes. i think people are capable accepting new things capable of accepting new things because issues because a lot of planning issues are nimbyism. resist are about nimbyism. yeah, resist stance to things. so, you know, i remember when i was an mp all those years ago, there'd be a

new area built and those new housing area built and those people very pleased have people were very pleased to have new houses. then when there was an that with an extension of that area with new they new houses beyond that, they were the biggest objective. of course. these tension. >> how do get around >> how do you get around that? by changing the planning regulations. do you change regulations. how do you change that think you have to >> because i think you have to have two things engagement with the recognition the public and the recognition that it's that when you decide it's difficult, it's easy choices difficult, it's not easy choices . and what everybody tries to do in politics is pretend everything hunky dory and everything is hunky dory and fine isn't. and think fine and it isn't. and i think there's a realism in labour's message now that kind of message now that is kind of saying, yeah , you're going saying, yeah, you're going to make choices you make some tough choices if you don't want carry on with too don't want to carry on with too few for people who few homes for people who desperately you've few homes for people who des to 'ately you've few homes for people who des to 'ately some you've few homes for people who des to 'ately some tough 'ou've few homes for people who des to 'ately some tough choices. got to make some tough choices. >> in layman's terms >> so explain in layman's terms how labour do will how what labour will do will unlock land to build houses on and who can't get on and why people who can't get on the ladder are thinking, the housing ladder are thinking, well i really like well, do you know i really like the of that? the sound of that? >> well, for example, lots of people have people understandably have an objection to when the green belt is that is built. and i get that completely . when at the completely. when you look at the green a labour policy back green belt, a labour policy back in and look at what the in 1948 and you look at what the green consists

green belt actually consists of, now got an area just north now i've got an area just north of bristol, a big of bristol, which is a big motonnay interchange. it's green belt, have belt, right? yeah. i have beautiful , irreplaceable beautiful, irreplaceable countryside doesn't have countryside that doesn't have protection. i'd like to do something so that we don't lose any green belt area all, but any green belt area at all, but we protect what is really precious and still there and we develop already been develop where it's already been undermined . undermined. >> you all know this because it's your world. there's probably no more green belt than there ten years ago. there was ten years ago. actually more land designated as green . so again, green belt, probably. so again, somebody who wants to get on the housing ladder, is this going to lead to more council houses being built because of the reform in planning or is reform in planning rules or is it mean more private it going to mean more private housing? need to be it going to mean more private housi council need to be it going to mean more private housi council housesed to be it going to mean more private housi council houses for.o be it going to mean more private housi council houses for sure, more council houses for sure, but probably need to be both but it probably need to be both because the demand is because i think the demand is huge for housing. >> huge. want huge for housing. >>see, huge. want huge for housing. >>see, though,1uge. want huge for housing. >>see, though, is;e. want huge for housing. >>see, though, is;e. quality nt to see, though, is good quality council , because what council homes, because what i think is i grew up in a council house myself. like me, they all look the yeah. expect look the same. yeah. i expect your was similar. your experience was similar. it didn't individual . didn't seem to be individual. well, they didn't recognise the kind of aspirations that people

have these days. in particular for then. and i think for back then. and i don't think people that replicated. people want that replicated. what something that what they want is something that recognises individuals uniqueness don't them uniqueness. they don't want them in lots of in large areas where lots of people live in the same area, they spaces they want them in little spaces all our areas so that all across our areas so that people can feel part of the community not somehow labelled . community not somehow labelled. >> how do you also persuade house builders who've got prime pieces of land to stop sitting on the land for years and years and years, which they do because they're waiting the value of they're waiting for the value of they're waiting for the value of the increase? how do you the land to increase? how do you stop that? because it's huge stop that? because it's a huge roadblock stop that? because it's a huge roaii)lock stop that? because it's a huge roaii mean, that's land banking >> i mean, that's land banking as and you'll as it's known. yeah. and you'll understand the difficulty of that. look, that's that. but look, that's capitalism because they that. but look, that's capitethat because they that. but look, that's capitethat if because they that. but look, that's capitethat if they because they that. but look, that's capitethat if they purchase they that. but look, that's capitethat if they purchase that, know that if they purchase that, that an increased that will have an increased value the future. value to them in the future. and they that . i think you they sit on that. i think you have legislate that have to legislate to change that . you certainly . but one thing you certainly need is and i think need to do is and i think the tories fallen foul this, tories have fallen foul of this, they have got a lot of money from developers housing from developers and housing companies is paying for tory party finances and that has affected that thinking. so i think we've been stuck a bit because we had this business

where had the amber light where we had the amber light thing, didn't we? the green, amber a amber red thing, which was a crazy, crazy policy. and everybody, including conservative supporters, were up in about that. what we need in arms about that. what we need is that recognises is something that recognises that. all, there's that. first of all, there's a need, but we need to solve that problem , that it's done problem, that it's not done cheaply easily and that cheaply or easily and that difficult choices will have to be fine. difficult choices will have to be if fine. difficult choices will have to be if you've fine. difficult choices will have to be if you've gote. difficult choices will have to be if you've got time for one >> if you've got time for one more question, are you confident that planning that the changes in the planning rules that labour will rules will mean that labour will be many be able to build? how many houses year and how houses every year and how quickly it be under a quickly will it be under a labour ? labour government? >> look, not totally >> well, look, i'm not totally confident because what i know is there's shortage and there's a skill shortage and i have a responsibility as a regional skills and regional mayor for skills and training for post 16. do training for post 16. we do not have enough builders. we don't have enough builders. we don't have bricklayers , have enough bricklayers, carpenters rest carpenters and all the rest of it. do need to build that it. so we do need to build that capacity we that capacity up. if we have that capacity, i'm confident we could build them. yes. >> he the full >> all right. he is the his full title. is the labour west of title. he is the labour west of england metro mayor. there's going to be more if going to be more of them if labour election. dan labour win the election. dan norris labour great norris former labour mp. great to talk to you. bev back to you in studio in london. in the studio in london. >> you, andrew. i'm joined

>> thank you, andrew. i'm joined back in the studio by tony buxton nigel nelson . hey buxton and nigel nelson. hey guys, i just want to reflect out for a minute we're on day four of the conflict in the middle east. tonya we woke up saturday morning, so these incredible images, the latest death toll looking like 1500 people in three days on both sides. your thoughts ? thoughts? >> it's completely and utterly heartbreaking. that's what my thoughts are, the horror of it. and when you saw how it happened, you looked you know, you looked at these being you looked at these kids being shot a music festival. you shot at a music festival. you you saw that girl being kidnapped on the bike and all my heart just clutched. i just couldn't breathe from the terror and the horror of it. and now you know that israel is going to retaliate. retaliate manner retaliate. retaliate in a manner that's just going to obliterate it, the gaza strip. so lots more children, lots more people , children, lots more people, innocents dying . i just no words innocents dying. i just no words for this horror. it's just a horror and no one is going to benefit from this . what were benefit from this. what were hamas thinking? they knew that israel would retaliate in this way. they knew that .

way. they knew that. >> and they knew that that palestinian civilians would be killed. nigel it's a horrible situation . what what are your situation. what what are your sort of reflections upon it now? and it's a bit soon to ask you, but where do you think this goes next? >> well, i'm the danger is that you drag other countries in like iran and i mean iran especially, which israel's big which is always israel's big fear . i which is always israel's big fear. i mean, i've been disappointed that there have been those on the left who have not unequivocally condemned hamas what were doing . hamas for what they were doing. that doesn't you have to that doesn't mean you have to cease believing a palestinian cease believing in a palestinian state. it but what hamas did is an excusable , dreadful, horrible an excusable, dreadful, horrible , and they should be called out for that . and there have been for that. and there have been people who haven't done that, like the bbc and the bbc still, still defending them as political activists or you're not calling them terrorists , not calling them terrorists, which is what they are. >> they are causing complete and utter terror. yeah, right. >> let's move on to issues closer to home. i've been trailing this this morning. this closer to home. i've been trimedways this morning. this closer to home. i've been trimedway councilorning. this closer to home. i've been trimedway council inling. this closer to home. i've been trimedway council in kentthis closer to home. i've been trimedway council in kent who is medway council in kent who

are saying, nigel, that they're going to cancel christmas lights due to the challenging financial situation . why are they doing situation. why are they doing this? because of the challenging financial situation . so labour council. >> yeah. well it's a labour council but it's only just become a labour council. it was previously a tory council . previously a tory council. they've had a £70 million overspend and what they're trying to do desperately is save money and say and do it without cutting services. so that's why they're doing it historically , they're doing it historically, you've had a situation where the government . between 2010 and government. between 2010 and 2020 cut central funding to local authorities by 17.5. this is the kind of thing that happens when they do that. yes, there's been mismanagement at some local authorities as they've had things that have come out of the blue. they weren't expecting my own local authority in kent has to deal with a lot of migrant children that come across the channel and they are desperately in need of more funds for that. but things

like this, you've got to cut somewhere here. and would you rather for an old lady didn't get a health care visitor or you lose your christmas lights but it's an extraordinary metaphor. >> yeah, it's virtue signalling the children who are coming here as children of immigrants , as children of immigrants, illegal illegal immigrants are just children. nigel well, no, it's not just children. >> i have to say children to kind of pluck at the heartstrings. is that what you're doing there? >> no, i'm saying is that, >> no, what i'm saying is that, i county councillors i mean, kent county councillors had unaccompanied had to deal with unaccompanied children and in children and they're in the front line because because they're coming across from calais to dover, they're in the front line and they have to find a putting, putting these a way of putting, putting these kids somewhere. kids up somewhere. >> but are cutting 75,000 >> but there are cutting 75,000 for the christmas lights . for the christmas lights. >> you could, i think, you know, councillors expense accounts haven't been cut. it's 75,000. why haven't they gone to tender to firstly get it done cheaper? why haven't they gone to local businesses to say, look, is businesses to say, look, this is what's happen ? a lot of what's going to happen? a lot of sponson what's going to happen? a lot of sponsor, a lot of businesses

would rather just would help rather than just say this to do, this is what we're going to do, we're lights. we're going to cut the lights. it's it's like but it's just again, it's like but it's flag waving. it's just again, it's like but it's but| waving. it's just again, it's like but it's but| waviit]. brilliant >> but isn't it a brilliant message to the people kent? >> but isn't it a brilliant me:areje to the people kent? >> but isn't it a brilliant me:are darkthe people kent? >> but isn't it a brilliant me:are dark this)eople kent? >> but isn't it a brilliant me:are dark this christmasient? we are dark this christmas because the conservative government have left us no money to turn the christmas lights on. it's yeah, maybe i'm being you too. >> yes, absolutely right. >> yes, absolutely right. >> maybe i'm too cynical, but i just can't help but feeling that if you feel that if it was a labour government, the labour council would those lights council would keep those lights on all costs. on at all costs. >> well, i mean i know vince maple , the, the leader of the maple, the, the leader of the council, i don't believe he would do that. i think it's perfectly sensible. you cut things that really don't things that you really don't need rather than cut things in a 17 million deficit over spend 75,000, which i reckon they could bring down to less than half than that, please. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's also. do you know what it ties in to? what we were talking earlier about the talking about earlier about the carbon our food. it's carbon credits on our food. it's about exists. yeah. about a joyless exists. yeah. it's life which it's just about a life in which we and we we don't have pleasure and we don't take fun things. don't take have fun with things. it's just all about in

it's just all about living in the dark , quite literally. the dark, quite literally. right? tanya and nigel, thank you much. i think we're going you so much. i think we're going to to go back to andrew in to have to go back to andrew in liverpool who believe liverpool now, who i believe has a with him. a shadow minister with him. andrew i do indeed. >> thank you . i'm joined now by >> thank you. i'm joined now by the shadow secretary of state for the environment, steve reed . steve, . i was just saying, steve, before came on air, what before he came on air, what should about? and he should we talk about? and he said, we talk about said, why don't we talk about blair's speech? oh, freudians shadow minister. >> oh, it's easy to confuse tony blair's speech. it's easy to confuse one great leader with another, confuse one great leader with anoaser, confuse one great leader with anoas tony blair written it, >> as tony blair written it, because are because his people are everywhere . you and i were at everywhere. you and i were at the tony blair as as you've seen, very keir seen, this is very much keir starmer's party what he's starmer's party now, what he's donein starmer's party now, what he's done in like three and a half years to get this party united behind facing outwards behind him and facing outwards to british people. to the british people. >> given the state of our party in 2019 when we suffered our worst election defeat for 85 years, it's nothing more than transformative . transform ative. >> just imagine if jeremy transformative. >> just imagine if jeremy corbyn was still leader of the labour party , this appalling hamas party, this appalling hamas terrorist attack, brutal mediaeval evil and he has failed

so far to condemn hamas for it. he's condemned violence on both sides. where would you be? it's extraordinary that you ever had a man like that leading your party. i mean, i won't even let my mind go to that place. >> think what's happened here >> i think what's happened here is labour party under keir is this labour party under keir starmer has quite rightly expressed in the hall yesterday where we had that minute's sign once for the victims of the atrocious terrorist attack on innocent israeli civilians . our innocent israeli civilians. our hearts will go out to them, to their families and everybody thatis their families and everybody that is suffering in israel after it's an atrocity, the like of which most of us have never seen before. >> it's going to have a profound impact, isn't it, on all of us, because there potentially are british hostages. we don't know how many british people have been killed. foreign been killed. the foreign secretary says secretary james cleverly, says he's into he's not going to get into numbers. and see why, numbers. and you can see why, because doesn't want give because he doesn't want to give hamas there's because he doesn't want to give hama to there's because he doesn't want to give hama to ramming there's because he doesn't want to give hama to ramming vacationss going to be ramming vacations for . with oil prices for the economy. with oil prices rising . rising. >> well, we will have to wait

and see, won't we? >> this this a horrific >> this this is a horrific situation that is still unfolding. people are unfolding. i think people are right speculate about right not to speculate about exactly what's going on. i think we need to express our sympathy and condolences to the israeli people. but also our support to the israeli government in taking the israeli government in taking the they need to take to the action they need to take to get security back for their for their people. >> what do you expect ? well, you >> what do you expect? well, you probably know what's in the speech because you're the speech because you're in the shadow you've a shadow cabinet and you've had a shadow cabinet and you've had a shadow cabinet and you've had a shadow cabinet meeting and you've an early draft. >> you see it, actually. okay. >> but but he, course, has >> but but he, of course, has had speech had to rewrite this speech because of the military conflict. his shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, made a pretty good speech yesterday, widely praised , and i think she'd praised, and i think she'd improved her delivery her whole manner. she she was nervous, but i think it was probably her best speech. keir starmer is not a natural orator, is he? does that matter ? m atter? >> well, matter? >> well, we'll see in a few moments how he's going to go down in the hall. i mean, keir always goes down well in the hall. for here all of hall. i've been for here all of his hall. hall. i've been for here all of his this hall. hall. i've been for here all of his this about speaking to >> this is about speaking to

beyond the hall i saw. >> yesterday. how >> i saw rachel yesterday. how well down in hall. well that went down in the hall. but course, this is the party but of course, this is the party conference of a party that hopes to trust of british to win the trust of the british people and to form the next government. speaking people and to form the next governnt01t. speaking people and to form the next governnt01t. british speaking people and to form the next governnt01t. british peoplezing directly to the british people and it is the concerns of the british people that we're addressing, as rachel did yesterday, her speech yesterday, today in her speech with announcements she with the announcements that she was securing the was making about securing the economy and rebuilding britain , economy and rebuilding britain, you'll hear keir today building on what rachel and further on what rachel said and further fleshing out labour's offer to meet the challenges that are facing the british people in the world that we currently live in. >> does this does it feel to you like you are a government in waiting? does it feel like that to target waiting? does it feel like that tnto target waiting? does it feel like that tn to me, target waiting? does it feel like that tnto me, being target waiting? does it feel like that tnto me, being a target waiting? does it feel like that tnto me, being a veteran target waiting? does it feel like that tnto me, being a veteran of|rget . to me, being a veteran of coming to these conferences, i mean, something 19, 19, mean, there's something 19, 19, just pre 97 about this conference. >> and if you if you were you were involved in. yeah you were there. i wasn't i wasn't there. but at that point there were still concerns about whether labour could win in 97. we share those. we share that feeling. nothing is being taken for granted. know, whenever

granted. you know, whenever anyone stands up says the anyone stands up and says the next prime minister, the next chancellor we all say, no, no, make no assumptions. we have to earn back the trust of the british people. we know that is notjob british people. we know that is not job done yet . the not job done yet. the announcements coming out today will of fleshing will be the start of fleshing out labour's agenda. but that will the coming will continue over the coming months until we to that months until we get to that general. finally , he if months until we get to that gen look finally , he if months until we get to that gen look at finally , he if months until we get to that gen look at the finally , he if months until we get to that gen look at the polls,lly , he if months until we get to that gen look at the polls, yes, he if you look at the polls, yes, labouris you look at the polls, yes, labour is ahead and yes, people want a change, but they don't always say they want change to labour not labour because they're not always what labour's what's always sure what labour's what's on on the box. on the what's on the box. >> sure what sir >> they're not sure what sir keir stands for. they're >> they're not sure what sir keirsure stands for. they're >> they're not sure what sir keirsure who stands for. they're >> they're not sure what sir keirsure who keiris for. they're >> they're not sure what sir keirsure who keir starmer|ey're >> they're not sure what sir keirsure who keir starmer is. re not sure who keir starmer is. does he have show us more of does he have to show us more of who he is, what he is? >> i think that's true, >> i think all of that's true, andrew, i think andrew, actually. and i think i think to who think people do want to know who is man . keir starmer. but is the man. keir starmer. but i think the reason that you get some of those comments it's some of those comments is it's been such a short period of time, three and a half years since that huge defeat for labourin since that huge defeat for labour in when jeremy labour in 2019 when jeremy corbyn leader of the labour corbyn was leader of the labour party complete party to this complete transformed party that we have all around us here today . and

all around us here today. and it's been such a short period of time, people are still getting used the fact that it's a used to the fact that it's a it's a new party. all right. >> that's steve he's >> that's steve reid. he's the shadow i shadow environment secretary. i suspect i'm talking him suspect if i'm talking to him this at the this time next year at the labour he'll the labour conference, he'll be the environment secretary. we've come show, the come to the end of the show, the live is next. you're live desk is up next. you're with gb news, people's channel. >> hello there. good morning . >> hello there. good morning. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we've got heavy rain across scotland through today , across scotland through today, bringing some disruption. there'll some spells of hazy there'll be some spells of hazy sunshine elsewhere but it is quite a grey start this morning. some low cloud mist and fog slowly back as we go slowly burning back as we go through but taking through the morning, but taking its can the heavy through the morning, but taking its across can the heavy through the morning, but taking its across north—weste heavy through the morning, but taking its across north—west scotland rain across north—west scotland , pushing way , this slowly pushing its way south eastwards and met office rain warning in force here. 22 50mm of rain possible leading to some local flooding in places cloudier further north southwards across northern parts of england. but the best of the hazy sunshine once again, central and southern parts of england and wales, 23, possibly 24 degrees. that heavy rain

continues to slowly push its way south eastwards through tuesday evening . the met office warning evening. the met office warning eases during the evening time as that rain clears , showers that rain clears, showers following and then rain turning heavy as it moves into wales, into the midlands during the early hours . south eastern areas early hours. south eastern areas staying dry . staying generally dry. temperatures turning fresher across single figures across the north. single figures here holding up 14 to 16 celsius. further south. so if this cloudy, wet zone across central parts of the uk wednesday morning, this generally slowly moving south eastwards as we head through the day. quite muggy day. quite a muggy feel to things here brighter across northern ireland, northern england into scotland, but quite a blustery north westerly a cool, blustery north westerly breeze here with some showers filtering in. temperatures here lower days 12 to 15 lower than recent days 12 to 15 up to around 21 towards the south—east. see you

soon away. >> good afternoon. it is midday and you're watching the live desk here on gb news. coming up this tuesday lunchtime, unique unicef calling for humanitarian corridors or as the death toll in gaza continues to rise, the palestinian health authority saying 770 people have died along the strip with the israeli air force saying they launched another 200 airstrikes overnight in israel. >> officials say at least 900 people have been killed there .

people have been killed there. >> a decade of national renewal . sir keir starmer addresses the labour conference this afternoon as he sets his sight on downing streets. >> he's expected to promise a new generation of new towns and suburbs . but does everyone want suburbs. but does everyone want them? we're live in liverpool and the home office announces that they will return asylum seekers to the bibby stockholm barge in portland as early as next week. >> after the lengthy legionnaire's disease delay . legionnaire's disease delay. >> and as scotland recovers from widespread flooding, another 33 warnings and ten flood alerts are put in place across much of the country. we're live in perth. one of the worst hit areas . here's your headlines now areas. here's your headlines now with . aaron with. aaron >> it is 12:01. good afternoon

to you, aaron armstrong here in