is moving away from our biology is not the way fonnard. do you first, though, here's the very latest news with karen armstrong i >> very good evening to you. at 6:00 here in the newsroom , i'm 6:00 here in the newsroom, i'm karen armstrong. israel says its infantry has carried out localised raids in gaza in an effort to locate hamas rocket sites and hostages . thousands of sites and hostages. thousands of palestinians are fleeing northern gaza after the israeli army ordered more than a million people to move south by the end of the day for their own safety. israeli airstrikes are continuing with a ground invasion thought to be imminent. however the rafah border to egyptin however the rafah border to egypt in the south of gaza remains closed. the united nafions remains closed. the united nations has called on israeli authorities to withdraw the evacuation order, saying it's impossible without devastating humanitarian consequences . and humanitarian consequences. and this news just into us in the last half an hour or so. a reuters video journalist has been killed while working in

southern lebanon. issam abdallah was part of a team based near the israeli border, providing a live signal to other reuters journalists there. al sudani and maher nasser were also injured. reuters say they're seeking more information. their working with authorities and support isham's family and colleagues. meanwhile the president of the european commission was forced to evacuate to a shelter earlier after arriving in israel this afternoon . well, ursula von der afternoon. well, ursula von der leyen was meeting the israeli president, isaac herzog, when sirens were heard warning of a possible strikes . well, the eu possible strikes. well, the eu chief earlier offered her solidarity with the israeli people after last weekend's attack by hamas, which killed more than 1300 people. ms von der leyen , visiting one of the der leyen, visiting one of the towns, attacked by hamas. meanwhile, the us secretary of

defence says washington's support for israel is ironclad. in a joint press conference with his israeli counterpart, lloyd austin said munitions air defences and other equipment are being deployed with the us ready to supply more weaponry and aid . to supply more weaponry and aid. well the israeli defence forces continue to amass tanks and soldiers near the border of gaza with a ground invasion, looking increasingly likely. more than 1700 people have died in the enclave as a result of israeli airstrikes . attention is also airstrikes. attention is also building on israel's northern border with lebanon . troops border with lebanon. troops there are on high alert after there are on high alert after the hezbollah terror group said it would ignore calls to stay out of the conflict . meanwhile out of the conflict. meanwhile london has seen a massive increase in anti—semitic incidents since the conflict began. that's according to the metropolitan police. the force cited examples such as the playing of german military music and the intimidation of people outside synagogues . several outside synagogues. several jewish schools in north london

were closed earlier today because of concerns for the children's safety. the government has announced an additional £3 million of funding to provide the uk's jewish population with extra security . population with extra security. the prime minister says terrorism must not prevail in israel or in ukraine. rishi sunak has been meeting northern european allies in sweden. the gathering comes amid concerns about the possible sabotage of an undersea gas pipeline between finland and estonia . he called finland and estonia. he called the joint expedition force the first line of defence against the threat posed by the russian president vladimir putin. the value of this group is our agility , our expertise in the agility, our expertise in the areas that matter, particularly in supporting ukraine right now, which we'll talk about, but also our deep commitment to the cause of upholding the rules based international system and in particular, protecting the security of the region that is very near and dear to us. a teacher has been killed and two

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across the uk on tv, on digital radio, and if you want us on your smart speaker, just say play your smart speaker, just say play gb news. that's it for the moment. now it's over to . bev moment. now it's over to. bev >> very good evening. it's 605. this is dewbs& co with me. bev turner. this evening. joining me until 7:00. i'm delighted to say trade unionist and author paul embery is here with us and also gb news presenter, former brexit party mep martin daubney. you get in touch with me as well this evening. let us know your thoughts on everything that we are talking about. vaiews@gbnews.com on twitter vaiews@gbnews.com or on twitter at gb news. we're almost a at gb news. so we're almost a week on, i'm afraid. the news coming in from israel doesn't get israel says that get any better. israel says that its has carried out its infantry has carried out localised raids in in an localised raids in gaza in an effort to locate rocket effort to locate hamas rocket sites hostages . it's after sites and hostages. it's after 1.1 million people were given 24 hours to get out. civilians are fleeing northern gaza by car on the back of trucks and on foot. a ground invasion is thought to be imminent . i a ground invasion is thought to be imminent. i think we're going to try and get to charlie peters, who is live in tel aviv

for us this evening. he is here. charlie, you are there. good. i'm so glad to open the show with you with with the very latest. first of all, how are you? like, how is it being out there at a time like this? and doing this job? is it incredibly tense and stressful and is it genuine risk? is there risk to life for you ? life for you? >> it is tense. it is stressful and it is non—stop. the reports of extreme violence across the country do just keep flowing in every hour. overnight, we're sleeping without any airpods in as i usually would at home because we need to be alert to air raid sirens for rocket attacks just a few hours ago, just before we were meant to go live, another siren went off and we had to head down to the shelter for that's the situation in detail in tel aviv. but across the country in the last houn across the country in the last hour, in the north of the country, we've seen the idf conducting drone strikes on lebanese hezbollah in the south

of lebanon . and we've also seen, of lebanon. and we've also seen, i think, the most significant development of the last week now since those attacks started on saturday. the idf conducting what it called localised raids within the gaza strip. so israel has put boots on the ground within that territory for the first time. it said it was conducting operations to destroy anti—tank positions and also attempt to retrieve hostages. so it's yet more shape ing activity for that likely ground invasion. and it comes amid, of course, a great sense of terror across the country that has swept the nafion country that has swept the nation in the last seven days. netanyahu posts himself as mr security. the country has this mystique as an immense military superpower. despite its size. and of course, that sensation has been dampened by those appalling atrocities seen on saturday morning. and now the idf is seeking to reassert itself and the beginning of that likely grounding incursion into the gaza strip .

the gaza strip. >> charlie, do we have any later list on the casualties or how many people are thought to have lost their lives on both sides ? lost their lives on both sides? >> well, it's well over 1000 on both sides. i mean, over 1500 hamas terrorists killed at least within southern israel. i think the figure in gaza is approaching 1000 in terms of those killed by idf airstrikes. and in israel, on the israeli side, at least 1200 killed, of which 220 were israeli soldiers. of that, 220, though, many of those israeli soldiers were not mobilised at the time, they they self mobilised. they were just reservists or off duty soldiers who heard about the danger and drove to it without waiting for orders. but sadly, those numbers are almost certainly set to rise very dramatically as the israeli forces tell gazans to flee from the north of the strip so they can prepare for an even more severe and targeted bombing

campaign. they hit 750 targets last night . i campaign. they hit 750 targets last night. i think it's highly likely they'll hit more tonight to soften the ground for their ground forces to enter into the strip imminently . strip imminently. >> and charlie is most of the bombing during the night or in daylight hours . daylight hours. >> well, we've heard fighter jets buzzing up and down this coastline day and night, rearming refuelling and then heading back down south to gaza to hit the hamas military capabilities . i to hit the hamas military capabilities. i think the bulk of the bulk of the strikes do happen overnight. but they are continuing throughout the day because the pattern here is that the idf strikes at night and then hamas come out of their shelters in the morning where they have bunkers and those intricate tunnelling systems throughout the gaza strip. they take themselves out of those bunkers and rapidly set up bunkers and they rapidly set up rocket positions to across rocket positions to fire across the country. they hit ashkelon today about 20km north of the strip. they also hit ashdod areas in southern israel and

rockets were intercepted over our location about three hours ago.the our location about three hours ago. the interceptions were extremely loud as the iron dome missile defence system hit those rockets from them. hamas in gaza . so that's that's the kind of pattern of life here in terms of the rocket fire and the airstrikes going in. but that is going to likely continue over the coming days as well. okay. >> all right, charlie, thank you very much. charlie peters there out in tel aviv. i find that sort of detail astonishing. paul don't you? the idea that israel is bombing the idf throughout the night and then in the morning, hamas kind of crawl out of their tunnels at dawn. just just your reaction , please, to just your reaction, please, to what's happened over the last nearly a now , because it's nearly a week now, because it's stomach turning, isn't it? when we see the detail, it's a human tragedy and it's heartbreaking . tragedy and it's heartbreaking. >> and i was saying to martin off air, i've been to the region back in 2014, i stood by the wire at the gaza border. i i was in sderot , which was viciously

in sderot, which was viciously attacked . and when you think of attacked. and when you think of the beauty of the land and the history of the land, that ancient region and israel itself being in the palestinian territories , being relatively territories, being relatively small, i think israel was the size of wales . and you think size of wales. and you think what it has suffered, you think of the experiences that people have gone through. i think , you have gone through. i think, you know, what they suffered last saturday and in the days aftennards was as bad as anything. they've experienced within 50 years. and you completely understand israel thinking we need to exercise our right to self—defence. entirely understandable . but i would say understandable. but i would say there's not a hierarchy of suffering when it comes to innocent people . and when you innocent people. and when you see some of the i mean, hamas are, you know, wicked , wicked are, you know, wicked, wicked barbarians, we all know that . we barbarians, we all know that. we accept that. and if they were wiped out, i don't think any of us would shed any tears. but when you innocent gazans when you look at innocent gazans and of whom don't support and many of whom don't support hamas but many don't. hamas, some do, but many don't. and you see, i saw footage

yesterday of a distraught father pulling his toddler son out of the rubble. you understand that actually acute actually there is acute suffering on both sides and there's no easy to how we there's no easy answer to how we resolve it. and the tragedy is it's going to get sight worse it's going to get a sight worse in next few weeks. in the next few weeks. >> it is going to get a sight worse. martin isn't it? do you have crystal do you have any crystal ball? do you think, going to think, about what's going to go next? i've been next? we've been i've been asking everybody this asking everybody about this week, impossible to week, and it's impossible to know, it? know, isn't it? >> hamas will be eviscerated and they'll go way isis. they'll go the way of isis. and they'll go the way of isis. and they go way of they deserve to go the way of isis, particularly what they've wreaked jewish wreaked upon the jewish community strong echoes of wreaked upon the jewish corr holocaust strong echoes of wreaked upon the jewish corr holocaust and rong echoes of wreaked upon the jewish corr holocaust and the| echoes of wreaked upon the jewish corr holocaust and the barbarity.f the holocaust and the barbarity. i breakfas last i was on breakfas at last saturday this story broke, saturday when this story broke, and we were just absolutely couldn't believe was couldn't believe what was happening. got worse happening. and it's got worse since. and not only that, but hamas own hamas were their own propagandists. posting the propagandists. by posting the butchery, the barbarity on social media gleeful of what they'd done, there's no sympathy for these people. and we have to admit they fascists. but admit they are fascists. but they can't be obliterated, can they? >> eviscerated was the word used, which is a brilliant word. they can't be eviscerated

because you can't kill an ideology. and this surely is creating the next generation of jihadists and the next generation of hamas supporters. >> well, isis , isis were wiped >> well, isis, isis were wiped out. you know , that's the out. you know, that's the israelis won't stop until they've they've done everything they've they've done everything they can to wipe these people off the face of the earth, wiped out or whether do they not just morph into a different i mean, look at, you know, we only have to afghanistan now and to look at afghanistan now and that's not a peaceful no, that's not a peaceful zone. no, but terms of an but they in terms of an organised cohesive military and moral threat , they were shoved moral threat, they were shoved to one side and deservedly so. and this lot are just as bad. and this lot are just as bad. and the tendrils are now poisoning the west. we're seeing , you know, in brussels today , , you know, in brussels today, you know, pro—palestinian protests was glorifying the violence last week, calling for jihad in europe. we saw the same in rome. we've seen stabbings in france. a terror attack confirmed by emmanuel macron. we've seen embassy staff, israeli embassy staff in china stabbed by terror sympathisers .

stabbed by terror sympathisers. we've got a protest in london tomorrow. and i sincerely believe it's going to be bad. i think it's going to kick off. do you?i think it's going to kick off. do you? i do. >> do you think it should be banned, paul? >> no, i don't think it should be banned. i think within the within the palestinian cause , within the palestinian cause, there are many people who are opposed to hamas . there's a opposed to hamas. there's a tradition of support for the palestinian cause which doesn't in any sense show sympathy for hamas, for example. you have labour friends of palestine, you have trade union friends of palestine. you even have conservative friends of palestine . palestine. >> but is it appropriate for those people who support palestine to be out on the streets now, burning fireworks, raising flags? >> think it would be >> i think it would be legitimate for them whether or not people agree with their take on it. i think it is legitimate if people feel that israeli if people feel that the israeli response is in danger of being disproportionate. so, for example , the siege of gaza, the example, the siege of gaza, the denial of water and fuel and food into gaza , if they feel food into gaza, if they feel

that the 24 hour window for the evacuation mission to get 1.1 million people out of the north of gaza on broken roads , which of gaza on broken roads, which is, you know, people were in intensive care and i think that's justified. what i'm what i'm saying is i think it is legitimate. and, you know, many of those people who do go on the streets will be peaceful people with time for hamas will with no time for hamas who will be raising like the ones be raising issues like the ones that i've just raised. >> so a proportionate response, would would be would you think it would be acceptable for israel to be acceptable then for israel to be held set fire, to torture, to held to set fire, to torture, to rape would rape people? that would be a proportionate response. no, no. so that the response proportionate response. no, no. so to that the response proportionate response. no, no. so to be that the response proportionate response. no, no. so to be proportionatesponse proportionate response. no, no. so to be proportionate ismse has to be proportionate is a fallacy and it's damaging. they've had untold misery piled upon them . they've had untold upon them. they've had untold misery . but upon them. they've had untold misery. but what upon them. they've had untold misery . but what i'm upon them. they've had untold misery. but what i'm saying is this this idea of proportionality is gone. hamas went too far. they committed genocide . this is not war. genocide. this is not war. >> but it depends how you measure proportionality, because there's a very good risk now that israel, the idf, will kill more people. if you want to do it in terms of a body count,

hamas don't care about their own population. >> they're using them as human shields. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> this the key thing. you >> this is the key thing. you know, assessment needs to be know, an assessment needs to be made the action taken made of whether the action taken and the benefits outweigh the detriment so for example, and the benefits outweigh the detheyent so for example, and the benefits outweigh the dethey ift so for example, and the benefits outweigh the dethey if they so for example, and the benefits outweigh the dethey if they fire: for example, and the benefits outweigh the dethey if they fire a or example, and the benefits outweigh the dethey if they fire a missileple, if they if they fire a missile through hamas headquarters and they take out 40 hamas leaders, i wouldn't shed a tear. you wouldn't shed a tear. i suspect most decent people wouldn't shed a tear. but if they fire a missile a building missile at a building where there's kind low ranking there's one kind of low ranking hamas activist, but 50 innocent people, including children, then there is a danger that it's not proportionate and does proportionate and it does contravene . haven't they contravene. haven't they dropped? that proportion is dropped? so that proportion is a really thing. really important thing. >> they dropped >> but haven't they dropped leaflets due warning leaflets and given due warning and clear out there and said clear out of there because we're coming in? so they've because we're coming in? so the�*where those 1.1 million >> where are those 1.1 million people going to go? >> well, you'd assume that they would start intense bombing would start the intense bombing and invasion in and the ground invasion in the north move and north and move south and hopefully population like hopefully the population like a tsunami, ahead. but tsunami, will get ahead. but hamas saying don't leave. hamas are saying don't leave. they to because they want them to stay because they as human they want to use them as human shields. what does hamas think would to palestine after would happen to palestine after

they committed what they did last saturday? only ever last saturday? there's only ever going way. and going to go one way. and unfortunately, we know the collateral horrible collateral damage that horrible phrase to phrase inevitably is going to happen. think hamas happen. and i think hamas brought their own brought that upon their own population . population. >> they but i would be very >> they did. but i would be very reluctant to say that, you know, the evil that hamas is, you know, somehow that gives israel a blank check because we say, look what hamas did was absolutely terrible. we all agreed on that. and israel is entitled to respond. and anything thereafter that happens is always going to be attributable to hamas. i don't think you can give israel a blank check. i think you can say to israel, look, we absolutely defend your right to self self—defence and absolutely you need to hit back, wipe out hamas if you're able to do it. but you do need to exercise proportion because don't want are because what we don't want are hundreds and thousands possibly of innocent gazans, including children, killed . i don't think children, killed. i don't think any when there isn't actually much military gain from some of the idf , though, one that israel the idf, though, one that israel doesn't nobody wants doesn't want that nobody wants that. no, i think you're right.

>> help understand a little >> help me understand a little bit. is it that left bit. why is it that more left leaning support the leaning people support the palestine cause ? and i know palestine cause? and i know you're not being you're not making excuses for hamas. you accept the brutality of what they did. but i am so interested in the right left distinction when it comes to this debate. what is it? >> well, some on the left support israel. i went support support israel. i went to region trade union to the region with trade union friends of israel and israel. the idea of it, many the whole idea of it, many people would say, was quite social. is that at the outset and you've got things like kibbutz and stuff like that , but kibbutz and stuff like that, but at same time, people at the same time, people many people see israel as people on the left see israel as a because of its what a pariah because of its what they regard as its oppression of arabs and in particular the palestinians , and also because palestinians, and also because they look at you as the underdog who they view as the underdog and they look at the alliance, the strong alliance, the unbreakable alliance almost between israel and the united states. and they also see the united states as public enemy number one.

>> so but why would the left see the united states as public enemy number one? >> i think because well, i mean, it depends at the time whether or not there's a right wing government united states government in all united states governments, wing to a governments, a right wing to a larger or less. larger or or less. >> so i agree with you on slightly degree. slightly lesser degree. >> a particularly >> but if there's a particularly right government, whether right wing government, whether it's then it's trump or reagan, then obviously that mood obviously you know that mood would be heightened. but the relationship israel is a relationship with israel is a key one. >> consider myself an >> i would consider myself an old sensible lefty, >> i would consider myself an old i've sensible lefty, >> i would consider myself an old i've never sensible lefty, >> i would consider myself an old i've never understoodity, >> i would consider myself an old i've never understood the and i've never understood the fetishisation the fetish of palestine. it baffled me as a youth . it baffles me to this day youth. it baffles me to this day and the mask has slipped. and now the mask has slipped. this is about hating the west. it's about hating capitalism. it's about hating capitalism. it's slandering the west it's about slandering the west for everything it's ever done through the prism of the of the biggest sin wall by the way, forgiven the sins. the bible rmt of what's happened. a lot of people today are celebrating on the streets of western cities is glorifying the violence , the glorifying the violence, the rape, the destruction right . and rape, the destruction right. and it's gone too far. the left needs to admit a lot of them

have been useful idiots. they've been holding the doors of the citadel open while people come into want to into our country that want to destroy way of life. and the destroy our way of life. and the left needs hold their hands left needs to hold their hands up. is cancer and the up. hamas is a cancer and the left have willed it on. now is the time to call it out. left have willed it on. now is the time to call it out . whereas the time to call it out. whereas the time to call it out. whereas the people like gary lineker have been week, where have have been this week, where have people and don't forget people gone? and don't forget anti—semitism. part of anti—semitism. a driving part of the of the left, the treachery of the left, anti—semitism, the corbyn easterners, they're the ones that supported hamas before. now they're the ones that need to apologise to the west today. okay great start, fellas. >> coming still to >> right. coming up, still to come i want to ask you, come today, i want to ask you, do you feel pressure to take a side amid this conflict? we're going see footage after the going to see footage after the break of two women in london tearing of missing tearing down posters of missing israeli children. don't go anywhere .

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france for lower taxes. >> this war on the wealthy has got to end. we need their money and it might take at ten the bbc. the premier league and the football association are deafening in their silence about innocent israeli civilians. they bnng innocent israeli civilians. they bring shame on our country. we're live . we're live. at nine. >> good evening. 624 on friday night. we've got to the end of the week. this is dewbs& co with me. bev turner keeping me company until 7:00. trade unions and author paul embry is here and author paul embry is here and news presenter and former and gb news presenter and former brexit martin daubney, brexit party mep martin daubney, now you've seen the now i'm sure you've seen the footage various celebrations , footage of various celebrations, you might call them from all around the world. sydney new york. london. well this footage emerged today . it's been shared emerged today. it's been shared widely on social media. it's two women, young , young women, women, young, young women, barely out of their teens, tearing down posters of missing

israeli children believed to have been ducted by hamas. this is in london. take a look . you is in london. take a look. you why don't you do something for palestine ? palestine? >> why don't you? this is for palestine , not mutually exclusive. >> it's children. it's children . >> it's children. it's children. it's innocent people. >> okay. what about the children in palestine ? in palestine? >> it doesn't make it right. >> it doesn't make it right. >> jesus, you could . >> jesus, you could. >> jesus, you could. >> how unbelievably shocking. the metropolitan police said it's aware of the footage. it's being assessed. but the fa has been branded spying less for refusing to light up wembley stadium arch in israel's colours. begs the colours. and it begs the question, do you feel pressured to take a side and if so, where's that pressure coming from? martin go that footage there has to be a hate crime . there has to be a hate crime. >> you know, if posting a tweet of a of a transphobic limerick is a hate crime, if posing a picture of the trans flag as a

swastika gets you seven coppers and a meat wagon, turn up at your house, how is that not a media chokey, especially like within a week of the atrocities committed in israel against his population. this is outright provocation and i just don't understand how we've got to a situation where the israeli community uniquely, it seems on the planet, is expected just to take this. it's to just take it, you know, passively and without complaint. and why is this not incitement to riot? why is it not incitement to racism , racial not incitement to racism, racial hatred? and this is before the protest tomorrow, which i think is going to kick off majorly. and why would it why would it not, if you saw that happening in community, jewish in your community, jewish children are to go to children are afraid to go to school closing schools. you know, gary lineker is the one saying decent 1930 saying remin decent of 1930 germany about suella braverman . germany about suella braverman. this is exactly like 1930 germany. where's lineker? where's vorderman? where are they all? they're silent because they're cowards. >> and i was really upset by that footage. paul i have to say

, and it's the stupidity of it, of those girls in the headscarves they're pulling down. if it wasn't clear from the footage, there was a photographs of missing babies , photographs of missing babies, missing toddlers. they were put up. i think, by the girl filming the footage who'd just returned from israel . so she's just from israel. so she's just trying to raise awareness and who she just wants these who knows? she just wants these pictures of these lost people to be seen. and these idiots come along and take this. don't even put them in the bin. they leave them on the floor like that. absolute disregard. >> it's reflection. i don't >> it's a reflection. i don't necessarily think it would qualify as as a hate crime. why not? appalling, though? it was. but nonetheless, it is certainly a reflection of those two individuals. i don't know what would compel anyone to think if they saw a poster of an innocent person who had either been kidnapped or was missing in a conflict. a really appalling conflict. a really appalling conflict. what would possess that person to say, i'm going to

rip that down and stop other people from viewing it unless they unless they were so consumed by their own kind of warped ideology that they believe that the lives of these innocent people were inherently worthless , which clearly those worthless, which clearly those people did. >> and now we're getting somewhere, because that's precisely what it is. these people have been poisoned and radicalised own country. radicalised in our own country. i just going to say, there's i was just going to say, there's no in this country. >> those girls have got london accents. been educated >> those girls have got london acwthis;. been educated >> those girls have got london acwthis country been educated >> those girls have got london acwthis country clearly, educated >> those girls have got london acwthis country clearly, and ated in this country clearly, and they hate jewish people. they still hate jewish people. >> for me, the >> but for me, for me, the punishment should be the opprobrium of wider society. >> and i think how do we do that, though? >> how do we do that? because i think the speak out against something like i think the fact that we've shown it just on that we've shown it just now on national tv, think fact national tv, i think the fact that have been the that there have been over the newspapers, they've been on other channels, i think the fact that been that their actions have been brought public's brought to the public's attention make attention will hopefully make those individuals feel a little bit heat and put boot on bit of heat and put the boot on the other foot. >> tearing down >> and you were tearing down pictures murdered muslims. pictures of murdered muslims. you'd be a prison you'd be inside a prison jail, right be in a cell.

right now. you'd be in a cell. martin right now, can't know it. >> yeah, but come on. we can't have it both ways, you and i. i know you voice concern in the past about the threshold for hate lower and hate crimes getting lower and lower lower and things. you lower and lower and things. you mentioned things mentioned it yourself. things like, you know, a hurty words on a being regarded as hate a tweet being regarded as a hate crime. say, look, we are crime. if we say, look, we are concerned threshold concerned over that threshold getting lower and we getting ever more lower and we want to live in a free society where even the most appalling views should because we views should be aired because we want to you know, we want to be able those views in able to challenge those views in able to challenge those views in a society. we can't then a free society. we can't then say things that we say but for things that we disagree with and that actually in case, the vast majority in this case, the vast majority of people would disagree of decent people would disagree with, arrested. with, we want them arrested. proportionality, if it proportionality, i think if it comes to if people are inciting violence they're inciting violence or if they're inciting if well, i don't know if they're. well, i don't know if they're. well, i don't know if that's it's an appalling act, but think it's but i don't think it's specifically inciting violence. but i don't think it's sthink:ally inciting violence. but i don't think it's sthink:ally ithey'veviolence. but i don't think it's sthink:ally ithey've doneice. i think what they've done is pred i think what they've done is ripped a poster because ripped a poster down because they that person's they don't value that person's life. the poster. think life. on the poster. i think in that situation , the condemnation that situation, the condemnation of wider society , which of wider society, which thankfully they're receiving should be the answer rather than

police intervention is this. >> but you know what i wanted us to talk about here and it's inevitable. are to inevitable. we are going to discuss the rights and wrongs of that disgraceful this that disgraceful act is this culture we live in. culture that we now live in. martin where everybody feels that to have and they that they have to have and they have to a side. and it's have to take a side. and it's very easy for me when i've seen that footage take side. but that footage to take a side. but it's difficult most it's very difficult for most people, think, to really feel people, i think, to really feel like they've got skin in this game you there'll be game. you know, there'll be a lot people here well, lot of people here going, well, hang this is going hang on. this is this is going overin hang on. this is this is going over in the middle east actually. see footage actually. then you see footage like you realise it like that and you realise it isn't that is deeply naive for us to think that if you don't live as jew in this country live as a jew in this country and don't know you face and you don't know what you face every we live in an every day, but we live in an age, don't we, where we start it almost started with brexit and then it moved to on lockdown policy. was and policy. then it was ukraine and russia and now it's middle east. i the people families this i feel the people families this weekend and there i feel the people families this weesond and there i feel the people families this weeso many and there i feel the people families this weeso many topics and there i feel the people families this weeso many topics ancweere are so many topics which we can't discuss because just is incendiary to talk them. can't discuss because just is ince i:iiary to talk them. can't discuss because just is incei hate to talk them. can't discuss because just is incei hate that. k them. can't discuss because just is incei hate that. but them. can't discuss because just is ince i hate that. but the them. can't discuss because just is ince i hate that. but the fact]. can't discuss because just is ince i hate that. but the fact of and i hate that. but the fact of the matter is identity politics has consumed life. has consumed public life.

>> it's >> it's consumed the media, it's consumed mia it's consumed academia. mia it's consumed academia. mia it's consumed our country and were forced to take sides. it's easy forced to take sides. it's easy for me. i'm against the ones who kill babies. i'm against the ones who are terrorists. i'm against the ones who set fire to two elderly people. two houses with elderly people. i'm ones who kidnap. i'm against the ones who kidnap. it's easy choice as well. it's an easy choice as well. >> but then you would well, >> but then you would say, well, you're ones who you're against the ones who killed the babies first. and now there will be palestinian and gazan there will be palestinian and gaz now, there's not. >> now, there's not. >> now, there's not. >> that's back to this idea of proportional parity, a cold hearted invasion , which what hearted invasion, which what happened saturday and so happened last saturday and so soon. we have to accept that the same hatred of jewish people is in country and we have to in our country and we have to accept that the left, i think, have been shamefully silent on the whole on this issue . and i the whole on this issue. and i think we have this huge division in politics, a huge division where the bbc won't even call these people terrorists. >> it's like, why not? these people terrorists. >> its like, why not? these people terrorists. >> it shows why not? these people terrorists. >> it shows why no going on these people terrorists. >> it shows why nogoing on at >> it shows what's going on at the in terms of this that the moment in terms of this that that spilling over here that dispute spilling over here shows terrible we've been at shows how terrible we've been at this country, in this country , this country, in this country, at the whole idea of integration

and assimilation. you know , we and assimilation. you know, we often hear the mantra from politicians, particularly the mayor of london, who i don't dislike in the way that others might do that diversity is our strength. now you may well wish for that to be true. you might well think that's the ideal. that's a higher minded thing. but the truth is, what we're seeing london at the moment seeing in london at the moment is the most example is the most stark example of it is the most stark example of it is it isn't our strength . is that it isn't our strength. actually, it's our greatest challenge in many respects. and the we've just brought the way that we've just brought in people over the in millions of people over the years said them , right years and said to them, right now here. you we're now you're here. you know, we're going to tell you nothing about integration. we're going to tell you about assimilating you nothing about assimilating into our society. just go ahead and own thing we and do your own thing and we won't trouble we went for won't trouble you. we went for the salad bowl rather than the melting pot. >> got gang and >> and we've got a gang and we're a price for we're paying a price for ghettoisation pretty obvious. ghettoisation is pretty obvious. >> say, >> and hopefully, as you say, i hopeit >> and hopefully, as you say, i hope it doesn't kick off this weekend, but it's looking highly likely. right. next up, the trial soldier daniel trial of former soldier daniel khalife. you remember khalife. do you remember he allegedly escaped wandsworth pfison? allegedly escaped wandsworth prison? did prison? well, he definitely did escape wandsworth prison. the trial's off today. what

trial's been put off today. what does say about does it say about the surveillance in this country? do you want more cameras? reading your face or less? don't

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> this is dewbs & co with me bev >> this is dewbs& co with me bev turner this evening. i've still got with me trade unionist and author paul mbappe and gb news presenter , former brexit party presenter, former brexit party mep martin daubney. so the trial of former soldier daniel khalife, who's accused of passing sensitive information to iranian intelligence, has been put off today following his alleged escape from wandsworth prison. of course, now when you hear about this story, you can't think you can't but think think you can't help but think of a 1980s novella and of like a 1980s novella and a film the shawshank redemption. film, the shawshank redemption. can 2023 and we can you accept it's 2023 and we live in one of the most surveilled countries in the world. surveillance world. so is surveillance failing? paul let me come to you. i don't want to live in a country that has a camera on every single corner. i don't want my face routinely scanned

when i am not breaking the law. and yet there are people, especially off the back of this really high profile case, calling to make that the norm in this country . where do you sit this country. where do you sit on it? i am with you on that in terms of being very reluctant to want to see that sort of society vat creeping in. >> but on the other hand, we do have thousands of criminals and would be criminals who are taking advantage of the fact that our police force are no longer properly policing the streets, that our prisons are full, and they probably won't go to prison, that the whole justice frankly, is justice system, frankly, is creaking under the pressure and falling apart. and it seems to me, particularly with the shoplifting epidemic , that shoplifting epidemic, that people out there are taking advantage of this situation more and more. and if cameras, more of them can be erected , if in of them can be erected, if in terms of bringing people to justice, leading to arrests, stop wing crime from happening,

giving victims of crime justice, then i'm inclined to say actually , on balance, we should actually, on balance, we should probably go with it. i guess the question is, would we actually have the resources if we do have lots of more cameras and, you know, we hit upon lots more criminals engaged in their criminals engaged in their criminal activities . will we criminal activities. will we have the resources? will the police charge or the cps charge these people? will they actually get before the courts at all? will they then ever go to prison when prisons full? the when the prisons are full? the chances probably it chances are probably not. so it may an academic idea that it may be an academic idea that it would to some of crime would lead to some sort of crime free utopia that we'd all be able to walk around the streets. >> we can sort of see in china where they have huge amounts of facial recognition. it's anything but utopia. they anything but a utopia. they might very little crime, might have very little crime, but crime, but they have little crime, little little, but they >> they have little, but they have very little freedom. >> and that's balance, isn't it? >> well, let's have a look at the figures about it. >> so met in south wales, the met and the south wales police facial recognition in 2016 to 2023 over accurate for

2023 was over 89% accurate for finding the person 89% at 3000 people in this country have been wrongly identified by police facial recognition and it's already banned in san francisco . already banned in san francisco. so in 13 other cities , it just so in 13 other cities, it just isn't good enough. martin to justify this mass rollout? >> well, we already live in a city with cameras on every street corner. it's called london. thanks to sadiq khan's ulez scheme. but why can't one of his cameras, nick terrorists? then might actually like then people might actually like them. a of crowbar them. isn't it a way of crowbar in that, didn't you? >> the point is, you can't >> but the point is, you can't even drive the block in a even drive around the block in a diesel nick. diesel van without getting nick. >> khalife can wander >> but daniel khalife can wander around london for four days. that's point. yeah. and i've that's my point. yeah. and i've been surveillance been writing about surveillance culture qualified been writing about surveillance cu|a|re qualified been writing about surveillance cu|a journalist qualified been writing about surveillance cu|a journalist in qualified been writing about surveillance cu|a journalist in 1995. lified been writing about surveillance cu|a journalist in 1995. always as a journalist in 1995. always been watched by been against being watched by big but i think society big brother, but i think society has changed for the worse. and it to the sort of it gets back to the sort of people we don't even know who are the country, are the are in the country, who are the people are entering people that are entering illegally dinghies. know people that are entering illega are dinghies. know people that are entering illegaare at dinghies. know people that are entering illega are at leastlies. know people that are entering illega are at least 19;. know people that are entering illega are at least 19 terrorists~ there are at least 19 terrorists confirmed. that's we know confirmed. that's what we know about. will their about. but they will cover their faces. that's the thing. >> i think if you want to insist

on surveillance cameras on every on surveillance cameras on every on every corner of our street or surveilling our faces, we also insist you that you insist that you insist that you cannot face. and cannot cover up your face. and we normalised wearing. we have normalised mask wearing. that's gone that's why shoplifting has gone off precisely . off the scale precisely. >> and where i come to from peckham work, know, it's peckham to work, you know, it's routine for young lads routine now for young lads to wear coverings. it's wear facial coverings. it's become garb, part become part of their garb, part of job. and in actual of theirjob. and in actual fact, those sort of lads were some very early adopters some of the very early adopters of face masks in the pandemic. they weren't concerned about the virus. it was it was a way virus. no, it was it was a way of disguising themselves and it became became became trendy, it became fashionable and it's offence, fashionable and it's an offence, say to wear an ira say for example, to wear an ira balaclava. watch the balaclava. but you watch the protest there'll be protest tomorrow, there'll be hamas around, protest tomorrow, there'll be hamaall around, protest tomorrow, there'll be hama all over around, protest tomorrow, there'll be hama all over the around, protest tomorrow, there'll be hama all over the streetsiund, protest tomorrow, there'll be hama all over the streets of d, faces all over the streets of london. what's going happen london. what's going to happen then? why are they covering their they're so their faces if they're so pro—palestine , why are these pro—palestine, why are these people going wrapping people going to be wrapping their faces up? because they know don't want get know they don't want to get nicked by facial recognition technology i think technology that is why i think this moved on. this debate has moved on. >> you i don't i don't >> but you see, i don't i don't want to have to change. i don't want to have to change. i don't want to have to change. i don't want to have to be scanned walking down every street, every street mean, you could

street corner. i mean, you could just well, chill baby. just say, well, chill out, baby. i i used to be. if i used to. i used to be. if you've got to hide, you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. and you've got nothing to fear. and then i felt the tentacles then i felt that the tentacles of state during the last of the state during the last three enter into my life three years enter into my life in that absolutely in ways that i found absolutely unimaginable. being unimaginable. and i craved being able decisions for able to make decisions for myself. so i find and this myself. and so i find and this absolutely shocking because the romans their romans will always cover their face anyway. paul, it'll be face up anyway. paul, it'll be the not committing the three of us not committing any crimes. it will on any crimes. it will be on databases the world. databases around the world. >> there's an argument then to say, have anti—mask say, we should have an anti—mask law be like law in this country be like they've by the way, many they've got, by the way, in many european countries, including some regarded as some of the what are regarded as quite enlightened, uh, european countries and countries like sweden and denmark, for example, they've got well. got it in france as well. there's an argument to say we should have that in public places or certainly on public demonstrations. a friend of my family started university a few weeks ago. his third night outside is sort of halls of residence. he was approached by two youngsters wearing covid masks, threatened to stab him, stole his phone, took all of his took all of his money. so that's

it's always the balance i've got. i've got a close friend who's in china at the moment, knows china quite well, and engush knows china quite well, and english person and he you know, he doesn't deny that actually there's a very sort of high surveillance type of state there that's unquestionable . uh, but that's unquestionable. uh, but he said at the same time, most people are not bothered about it. yeah, but let me give you an example of china, because the crime when there's crime is really low when there's a crime. it's such a serious crime. it's such a surprise to everyone. they're so shocked. >> so that's the balance you stand at traffic, you stand stand at the traffic, you stand at zebra crossing in china. at the zebra crossing in china. >> coming for >> there's no car coming for miles. if there is not a miles. but if there is not a green man or whatever the chinese equivalent is, of the flashing you flashing green and you cross that , then flashing green and you cross that, then your face is surveilled and you'll get a ticket in your post and your social credit score will be affected. don't want to live affected. i don't want to live in world. martin no, but in that world. martin no, but they also have respect or is they also have a respect or is it a fear for law and order because chinese don't mess because the chinese don't mess about you start breaking laws about if you start breaking laws and i think and that's why i think the problem britain, have problem is in britain, we have a complete disrespect and a breakdown of law and order, the point where people masks,

point where people wear masks, people with with people parading around with with their hamas scarves, people parading ripping posts. >> they they weren't really >> they know they weren't really getting i think this getting nicked. and i think this is part of a broader breakdown of respect for law and of that respect for law and order. there's a feeling order. and there's a feeling that take the knee that the police take the knee to black they dance black lives matter. they dance the pronoun the macarena, the pronoun police. putting the police. they're not putting the bootin police. they're not putting the boot in it's needed. and so boot in when it's needed. and so therefore, extra therefore, if they need extra help, shouldn't be granted to them. >> what we're giving up, you know, surrendering. know, we're just surrendering. we're surrendering morality. >> just surrendering their morality. >> we're going just do what you want. know what? you only want. you know what? you only behave well because you might get behaving badly. get caught behaving badly. i want be brought up to want kids to be brought up to think i'm going to behave well because to because it's the right thing to do, someone's going do, not because someone's going to picture face and to pitch. picture my face and there been it sounds there has been and it sounds terribly wing thing for terribly right wing thing for someone on the left like me to say. >> but there has been i agree with there's been a with martin. there's been a breakdown you call breakdown in what you might call that universal code. yeah, that universal moral code. yeah, that universal moral code. yeah, that used to bind people this that used to bind people in this country. i don't accept the country. and i don't accept the idea by people idea peddled by lots of people on left. some of them my on the left. some of them my colleagues, that is this colleagues, that there is this kind between colleagues, that there is this kind or between colleagues, that there is this kind or hardship between colleagues, that there is this kind or hardship and between poverty or hardship and committing crime. no. and i

think that, you know, the proof that isn't right is if you that that isn't right is if you go 1930 when there go back to the 1930 when there was poverty and hardship was real poverty and hardship and destitution in this country, you you know, millions you had, you know, millions unemployed, hunger unemployed, you had hunger marches like that. marches and things like that. and was still relatively and crime was still relatively low because that moral low because there was that moral code. didn't have an code. you didn't have an epidemic people going into epidemic of people going into shops robbing. shops and robbing. >> we have to >> that's where we have to somehow it out, work out. somehow work it out, work out. >> it's not all about your economic and your position. >> been getting touch >> you've been getting in touch at very divisive. this, at home very divisive. this, andy, the more surveillance, the better prevents crime better it prevents crime and terrorism if terrorism id cards, too. if you've nothing to hide, you've got nothing to hide, what's so is what's the problem? so much is the problem. even have the problem. we don't even have time go into it today. and time to go into it today. and also, saying certainly also, paul saying we certainly need facial need to embrace facial recognition. valuable recognition. it'll be valuable asset in identifying and tracking terrorists. it tracking down terrorists. it won't. just up won't. they'll just cover up their faces. right. still to come a trio come before 7:00 tonight, a trio of related stories that of trans related stories that have caught my eye and why martin daubney is blame. find martin daubney is to blame. find out few minutes .

thank you for sticking with us this is bev turner, sitting in for michel this week. she will be back on monday. now, three stories which caught my eye today, which are all sort of very similar. same topic, trans influencer dylan mulvaney, one uk magazine's first woman of the year. uk magazine's first woman of the year . that is right, transgender year. that is right, transgender cyclist. so transgender women who were men have taken gold and silver medals at chicago women's race. but critics were insisting that the pair had considerable biological advantage over their female rivals. obviously and also this is a belter . lloyds also this is a belter. lloyds bank sent an email out to their staff, 30,000 of their staff telling them that they would offer them counsel if they were triggered by conservative party conference at trans rep trick. now, how did we get to this place? martin daubney i blame you. why so 25 years ago? or

there or thereabouts, you were editing loaded magazine. yeah, right. the land of the men, the lads mag. yeah. and this was the start when i think we quite quickly turned the accelerator and the idea of female traditional women, women's traditional women, women's traditional behaviour and very male behaviour . and it was the male behaviour. and it was the creation of the ladette oh, do you remember zoe ball coming out on her wedding day with a jack daniels in her hand? >> and you were a woman. >> and you were a woman. >> you were a ladette well, this is the thing, right? >> so i was in your magazine. you will have had pictures of me in my undennear on your desk. martin daubney. i've still got still still coming. she >> yeah, he's still coming. she was earlier. was was showing me earlier. he was showing me off camera. >> listen, my point is, so >> but listen, my point is, so 25 years ago, when that quite quickly changed idea quickly changed and the idea that to be that women didn't have to be feminine could also be more feminine men could also be more feminine men could also be more feminine masculine. and feminine and less masculine. and we've got to this place now where nobody knows what they are anymore and we're turning into this hegemonic mass of this sort of hegemonic mass of neither female , neither male.

neither female, neither male. and i think we need to get back to understanding that we are fundamentally different . fundamentally different. >> yeah, here here too, that i've been accused of many things about it loaded but never about it and loaded but never being responsible for the trans epidemic. but what we're seeing with are, with these three stories are, again, of again, an indulgence of a fantasy . that's what it is. it's fantasy. that's what it is. it's a fantasy belief system, which we've been . expected to just we've all been. expected to just kind of kowtow to othennise, we're transphobes. and i think, again, we are going through the mirror on this because it's clearly ridiculous that a man with is a woman of the with a penis is a woman of the yean with a penis is a woman of the year. it's clearly ridiculous that can't say that labour mps can't even say that labour mps can't even say that with a that a woman, a man with a penis, isn't a woman. but and it's and it's clearly obvious that born male that somebody born male shouldn't be able compete shouldn't be able to compete against they're shouldn't be able to compete againsto they're shouldn't be able to compete againsto annihilate they're shouldn't be able to compete againsto annihilate them hey're shouldn't be able to compete againsto annihilate them because going to annihilate them because of differences. of biological differences. i think was. think it was. >> it germaine greer who >> was it germaine greer who said not born but becomes said one is not born but becomes a woman? and is the idea a woman? and this is the idea that gender being feminine, being a social being masculine, is a social construct. the construct. it's about the pressures as pressures that we feel as children to either play with

dolls hit things with hammers dolls or hit things with hammers and build lego that we impose these gender stereotypes on children for very young age. i used to think that was a thing, and then i had a son and i said, i'm not going bring him up to i'm not going to bring him up to be macho and i'm going to let him with dolls he wants him play with dolls if he wants to. didn't want to play with to. it didn't want to play with dolls. wanted to just dolls. he just wanted to just destroy climb destroy things and climb up walls and smash things in one day. of jacob's cream day. a bit of jacob's cream cracker a and tried to cracker into a gun and tried to shoot me with it. and i thought that biological imperative is there. feel like we've there. and i feel like we've neglected need to neglected that. do we need to get to a time when we think get back to a time when we think about we are as mammalian about who we are as mammalian like your instincts will be different to mine. >> biologically, >> certainly true. biologically, men are men and women clearly are different. i think that different. i don't think that means that we should assume that a boy, example , wouldn't a boy, for example, wouldn't want play with dolls want to play with dolls or a girl wouldn't want to play with trucks as trucks or dress up as a footballer or whatever. i think people should be absolutely free to do those things without any barriers discrimination or barriers or discrimination or harassment. but at the same time, this kind of constructs and it is a social construct, as

you said, of gender. some people think can trump the whole idea of scientific reality and biological sex. and i'm afraid it can't. and i would cross any road if i saw you know, a trans person being bullied or harassed. i'd cross any any road to defend that person . but that to defend that person. but that doesn't mean that i have to accept that person is something biologically that they clearly are not. and this lloyd's story particularly struck me because it's another demonstration , i it's another demonstration, i think, and i was writing about exactly this on my substack yesterday of how these institutions have just been captured by what actually is quite extreme ideology. but quite an extreme ideology. but the reason it's been able to take hold much is because if take hold so much is because if you like the sensible majority in have just been in this country have just been fearful about pushing back, which kind of turns into the which kind of turns into the which ties with the earlier conversation about the fact that you have have position on you have to have a position on everything you have be on everything and you have to be on the side of the narrative. the right side of the narrative. and what we need to be perfectly blunt, what we need is, is a bit more among people, more courage among people,

particularly influence. there positions of influence. there are many people out there are too many people out there who are afraid to put their head over parapet because over the parapet because they think going be think they're going to be cancelled as long as cancelled and for as long as we've people in positions of we've got people in positions of influence doing that and influence who are doing that and kowtow in way, then kowtow in in that way, then these ideologies these fringe fringe ideologies take back five years take i mean, go back five years and yourself that a prime and say to yourself that a prime minister would stand in front of his party conference as rishi sunak and the sunak said did, and feel the need is a man and need to say a man is a man and a woman is a woman. and that's common sense and you shouldn't be bullied into saying othennise. think, what othennise. you would think, what on happening to this on earth is happening to this world society in the last five on earth is happening to this world to ciety in the last five on earth is happening to this world to forcein the last five on earth is happening to this world to force a the last five on earth is happening to this world to force a prime st five on earth is happening to this world to force a prime minister years to force a prime minister to say something like that? i mean, completely insane. mean, it's completely insane. and need to it out every time. ti me. stuff like, time. stuff like, is that how we >> stuff like, is that how we call out? or do bring call it out? or do you bring back lads and remind remind back lads mags and remind remind people what a woman looks like? >> there's quite few >> well, there's quite a few people there like people out there would like loaded for older loaded to be reborn for older people call it ordered. i've people and call it ordered. i've been of wooed back been sort of know wooed back into that world, but i do think a lot people look back to a lot of people look back to that as an innocent time of escapism. was slandered by escapism. it was slandered by its critics, always was at the

time. to annoy time. it was meant to annoy the feminist community. it it feminist community. it was it was to annoy those people was meant to annoy those people who stood your in my who stood in your studio, in my bra and knickers, thinking, what who stood in your studio, in my bra ind knickers, thinking, what who stood in your studio, in my bra i doing? kers, thinking, what am i doing? >> the boys like dermot o'leary doesn't johnny doesn't have to do this. johnny vaughan have to do this. vaughan doesn't have to do this. >> get paid well for it? >> did you get paid well for it? >> did you get paid well for it? >> no, didn't get paid anything. >> you know, no skater obviously got paid well in my day. >> things got better. was >> things got better. i was a feminist, it wasn't about feminist, but it wasn't about but then it wouldn't have wanted to be to be paid for it. >> but is clearly >> but this is clearly a conversation we need to carry on. >> on. >> not least because you. i wouldn't object. >> right. that's it. paul martin, you so much. i've martin, thank you so much. i've had brilliant week. i've lost had a brilliant week. i've lost sitting for michelle. sitting here for michelle. she will monday. you're will be back on monday. you're on telly over the weekend? on the telly over the weekend? >> three >> yes, i'm on 12 till three tomorrow. athlete tomorrow. gb news athlete please tune for all common sense. tune in for all common sense. >> martin will be back on >> martin and i will be back on monday at 930 with monday morning at 930 with britain's is monday morning at 930 with brit anderson's is monday morning at 930 with brit anderson's world. is monday morning at 930 with brit anderson's world. have lee anderson's real world. have a weekend. a great weekend. >> it's turning >> good evening. it's turning cold and much chillier cold out there and much chillier weekend there'll some weekend ahead. there'll be some autumn particularly so showers particularly so tomorrow. we've seen some fairly wet weather today from this area of low pressure starting of low pressure that is starting to behind it,

to pull away. but behind it, we've got the air and we've got the colder air and that noticeable for we've got the colder air and tha of noticeable for we've got the colder air and tha of us noticeable for we've got the colder air and tha of us through noticeable for we've got the colder air and tha of us through the ceable for we've got the colder air and tha of us through the weekend. all of us through the weekend. still heavy still some pretty heavy downpours, though, across the extreme a time downpours, though, across the extr(evening a time downpours, though, across the extr(evening before a time downpours, though, across the extr(evening before iclears this evening before that clears away. have away. and then we'll have showers keeping going for northern northern northern ireland and northern scotland windy scotland getting very windy tonight across northern scotland, through scotland, especially so through shetland. blustery night shetland. a very blustery night here. elsewhere, it will be the cold you notice with temperatures well down into single figures, a much colder night in the south compared to recent nights. but there should be bit sunshine be quite a bit of sunshine around morning for around on saturday morning for southern and southern scotland, eastern and southern scotland, eastern and southern england. some showers for wales northwest england and northern ireland. and we'll keep some showers going across the west coast of scotland and in northern scotland, the west coast of scotland and in northewillcotland, the west coast of scotland and in northewillcotlaslowly the west coast of scotland and in northewillcotla slowly ease e west coast of scotland and in northewillcotla slowly ease and winds will only slowly ease and the fall snow the showers will fall as snow over the hills as temperatures struggle in the single digits further south, we might squeak into the teens, but everywhere feeling cold start feeling colder and a cold start to sunday with a greater chance of of frost, certainly of a touch of frost, certainly from northern england, northwards. though, many northwards. again, though, many places having a sparkling start with good spells of with some good spells of sunshine, a few scattered showers for wales and a few for

northern scotland, but generally sunday looking dry for many and bright. and after we start close to freezing, we struggle up to 11 or 12 celsius. goodbye

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headlines. >> hi there. very good evening to you. at 7:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. israel says its has carried out localised raids in gaza in an effort to locate hamas rocket sites and hostages. thousands of palestinians are fleeing northern gaza after the israeli army ordered more than a million people to move south by the end of the day for their own safety. airstrikes are continuing with a full ground invasion thought to be imminent. however, the rafah border to egypt in the south of gaza remains closed. power suppues gaza remains closed. power supplies to the enclave have been cut , with food and water in been cut, with food and water in short supply. the united nations says the evacuation order is horrendous and should be withdrawn because it's impossible without devastating humanitarian consequence . as humanitarian consequence. as a reuters video journalist has been killed while working in southern lebanon. a quick warning, some viewers may find the following footage

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