to the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. now they do say that all god doctors recommend you get your five a day and here we are for all to all hours again tonight i'll be in emily are alongside me as usual and we also welcome back the self styled wokeist man in great britain, benjamin buttennorth. and our special guest tonight is alex armstrong. yes. >> as usual, in the first hour of this evening's show , each of of this evening's show, each of us will get around 60s to outline our argument of the day . outline our argument of the day. then the rest of us tell them what utter tosh they're talking. then lots more fun in the second houn then lots more fun in the second hour, including bunch of five and our brand spanking new feature the yes feature. flummox the five. yes as well. your views on all of our topics tonight are always welcome. we want your questions to which will all be read out live and unfiltered later in the show do want to know if show. do you want to know if albie amankona is looking to defect labour party or defect to the labour party or does darren grimes wish he campaigned sometimes campaigned for remain? sometimes and has benjamin buttennorth ever worn an item of clothing less offensive than his views?

you can ask us anything, however outrageous . please do get in outrageous. please do get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com. we want your questions, but before we start tearing each other apart this evening, it is time for your saturday with . aaron saturday night news with. aaron >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. israel's military says it's preparing to attack hamas by land , sea and air in what by land, sea and air in what they say will be a comprehensive, coordinated offensive. earlier the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, told troops stationed near the gaza strip the next stage of their assault is coming. hundreds of thousands of reservists have been mobilised . reservists have been mobilised. the israel defence force says its troops have been deployed throughout the country as it prepares for significant ground operations. no timings have been given, but more than a million residents in northern gaza have been told to evacuate . mr been told to evacuate. mr netanyahu has previously pledged

to wipe hamas from the face of the earth . well, the window for the earth. well, the window for the earth. well, the window for the evacuation of palestinians from northern gaza has now closed. thousands of people have been fleeing south towards the rafah border crossing with egypt , the only route out of gaza, not under israeli control has been closed because of airstrikes , although the united airstrikes, although the united states says it's trying to negotiate a five hour opening to allow civilians out of the blocked enclave and to allow humanitarian aid in. a young british girl who's trapped in gaza says she fears for her life. >> i'm like really in fear. life. >> i'm like really in fear . and >> i'm like really in fear. and like every every time , i just like every every time, i just have to have the thought of me dying in a bomb in gaza like it's not a good thing . like it's not a good thing. like every place i go, i go run away and i just find bombs and i find dead people and, like, maybe one day i'll end up like them. but it's a really scary thing for me

i >> well, those who haven't been able to leave gaza are squeezing into un schools, hospitals and makeshift shelters as the israeli airstrikes continue. the palestinian health ministry says dozens of people were killed on a road when a conflict of a convoy of vehicles heading south on a safe route was targeted yesterday in israel says hamas is preventing people from leaving to use them as human shields , which the terror group shields, which the terror group denies. authorities in gaza say more than 2200 people have been killed by airstrikes, including 724 children and 458 women. suppues 724 children and 458 women. supplies of electricity, food and water have been cut off. hamas has understood to hold at least 120 hostages. meanwhile, two charter flights have left israel , all as two charter flights have left israel, all as part of a uk government effort to get british nationals out of the country. the foreign office say more repatriation flights are expected to run in the coming days. france has deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security

after a school teacher was killed and three other people were injured. the attack has been linked to the ongoing ing conflict between israel and hamas. france has raised its security alert to the highest level . a suspect has been level. a suspect has been arrested. police say he is a russian born chechen man and a former student of the high school . this is gb news. we're school. this is gb news. we're live across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker, too. that's it for me. now back to the . saturday five. now back to the. saturday five. >> thanks, aaron. it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver. so night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver . so let's five. i'm emily carver. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. >> indeed . up next, it's emily. >> indeed. up next, it's emily. oh, it's me. it is. and emily's going to tell us her views on jewish schools and synagogues needing more security in the uk due to the threat of anti—semitic attacks. it's time for the carver palava.

>> yes. now i remember when my parents used to take me to school and we'd pass a jewish school. the school was surrounded by high brick walls, fences and security guards were standing at the front gates. i remember asking why that was. we didn't have that in my school. now that was about 15, 20 years ago. fast fonnard to now 2023. and this week we've all been reminded why jewish schools and places of worship feel they need this level of security . see, this level of security. see, since israel suffered its worst terrorist attack in decades , terrorist attack in decades, thousands of jewish children across the uk , europe, the us, across the uk, europe, the us, canada have been forced to stay home from school due to cause for a global pogrom . other for a global pogrom. other pupils were told to disguise their uniforms. students on university campuses have felt under attack. they felt unsafe only 80 years on from the holocaust. jewish shops have been vandalised and in the uk alone there has been a 400% increase in anti—semitic incidences. we should all feel devastated by the fact that jewish people in this country

and across the west don't feel safe to show their religious identity on our streets . as the identity on our streets. as the likes of sadiq khan, say, diversity is our greatest strength . but isn't what we're strength. but isn't what we're seeing evidence clear as day that multiculturalism is unfortunately failing among some communities? watching the pro—palestine rallies today, it's not difficult to see why jews feel fearful amongst the crowds spotted were men calling for the armies of mohammed to attack jews are popping up around yahya mohammed . around yahya mohammed. >> to show your . >> to show your. >> to show your. >> jeremy corbyn was found apparently mourning the loss of innocent lives. israeli and palestinian . but can you spot an palestinian. but can you spot an israeli flag in the crowds . israeli flag in the crowds. i can't. there were those joining the protests today who had pictures of paragliders on their backs. could these be the paragliders that hamas sent terrorists in on to massacre

civilians at a peaceful rave in israel? there we go. two women there with paragliders on their backs. the chant from the river to the sea could also be heard on regent street in london. a chant widely understood to be calling for the destruction of israel and the jewish people . we israel and the jewish people. we should not accept this. this is not the britain i love or want to live in. i implore all good people of this great country to stand firmly against this and support jewish people's right to feel safe in this country and across the world. right well, a bit emotional there , because i bit emotional there, because i think this whole week a lot of us have been feeling, well, quite emotional because we've heard testimony from jewish people , from jewish children, people, from jewish children, from jewish students who genuinely feel unsafe. >> darren. >> darren. >> absolutely . and look, emily, >> absolutely. and look, emily, i'm just going to say it. i think actually if you are someone who is glorifying the actions of terrorists, if you are saying that actually it's a laudable thing from the river to the sea, that is calling for the

eradication of jewish people , an eradication of jewish people, an extermination, even from the entire place that is called israel. and has been for 75 years. that to me is incitement. it's to actually glorify hamas , it's to actually glorify hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation in britain. let's not forget , the bbc might want not forget, the bbc might want to forget that, but i certainly don't. and i actually do worry that we have allowed a load of people into this country who do not share our views and our values, and that breaks my heart to see, to see thousands of people line up today in london to actually glorify these actions as i think is wrong, dangerous and disgusting, frankly. and there shouldn't be here if they want to do that sort of thing, go elsewhere, get to gaza. i'll help you. i'll chip in because i'll tell you what, it won't be anything quite as relaxed and laid back as we are here. unfortunately in britain. >> yeah. and i know from speaking to jewish friends,

benjamin, that there is a fear of wearing, well symbols of their faith in some areas of london. how can that be? and in other cities, i'm sure . other cities, i'm sure. >> i mean, i spent monday and tuesday talking to jewish people in north for london the newspaper i write for and it was really, really upsetting . you really, really upsetting. you know, i spoke to josh howie , who know, i spoke to josh howie, who is presenter on headliners is a presenter on headliners here, and he has five kids there, a jewish family, and he said that he told his kids not to wear their school uniform on the bus because it has hebrew writing on it. and said, how writing on it. and i said, how do explain to primary do you explain to primary school aged can't show aged kids that they can't show their identity? and he said, i had to tell my little kids that people hate them just because of who are. and mean, that who they are. and i mean, that is a real reflection of the situation. golders situation. i was in golders green and i rang up and said, would it be possible to speak to the rabbi? and said, you the rabbi? and they said, you have through security have to go through security checks you can him. checks before you can meet him. now, you've never that with now, you've never had that with a example. you could a vicar, for example. you could just church. but just walk into a church. but that's seriously they have

that's how seriously they have to take their security. and i think that one thing that's think that if one thing that's been highlighted week, been highlighted in this week, it's obviously got significantly worse. a lot of worse. but i think a lot of people didn't understand worse. but i think a lot of perespect didn't understand worse. but i think a lot of pe respect thedidn't understand worse. but i think a lot of pe respect the realityinderstand worse. but i think a lot of pe respect the reality that stand worse. but i think a lot of pe respect the reality that aand or respect the reality that a lot of jewish people and lot of jewish people feel and have generations . have felt for generations. there's woman called lily there's a woman called lily abbott a holocaust abbott who's a holocaust survivor a best survivor who wrote a best selling great selling book with her great grandson, dov forman . and i grandson, dov forman. and i spoke dov and he said that spoke to dov and he said that they've had to increase the security fee the holocaust. security fee at the holocaust. survivor great grandmother's home they're so worried home because they're so worried about the death threats they've had in the thousands of abusive messages internet . messages on the internet. >> now, alex, sometimes we see this almost dis dismissed . you this almost dis dismissed. you know, when jewish people are saying that these kind of attacks or incidents are on the rise and they feel fearful , rise and they feel fearful, people say, oh, well, other communities feel fearful, too. i tweeted in support of, well , tweeted in support of, well, essentially jewish people feeling safe in this country and worrying, worrying about anti—semitic attacks. and i get what about palestinian lives? i wasn't commenting on the conflict. i wasn't making any

political point besides the fact that i worry for jewish people in this country. and i want them to feel safe here. why does everything have to be, you know, made into something else? >> yeah, i mean, it's a shocking state of affairs in this country at the moment, isn't it? that that that anyone of any community feel safe with. community can't feel safe with. and often the communities and it's often the communities that are most persecuted and overin that are most persecuted and over in history, such as the jewish ones that have that vitriol aimed at them and what really disgusts me is , is the really disgusts me is, is the targeting of children in school girls and religious and buildings of religious faith. you know, that's not the values of this country. we are tolerant people and we have welcomed people and we have welcomed people from all places, from across the world or religions or beliefs or races . and this beliefs or races. and this experiment of multiculturalism seems to be getting to a peak where there is more violence and more hatred towards each other than there ever has been before . than there ever has been before. i don't i don't i don't remember this being like this when i was growing up in the 2000 and the

90s. might have something to say. >> let just let me just let >> let me just let me just let me just bring. >> i'll be i'll be in on this point because. yes people have said is an example, said that this is an example, seeing these pro—palestinian rallies you rallies that have, you know, involved anti—semitic chanting. unfortunately is a sign that multiculturalism actually is failing in a way. >> i don't accept that at all. actually >> look, we live in a multicultural society in this country. some communities have done better at integrating than other communities . if we look at other communities. if we look at the jewish community, that is a different culture to the christian community. would different culture to the christithatommunity. would different culture to the christithatisimunity. would different culture to the christithat is a unity. would different culture to the christithat is a thatv. would different culture to the christithat is a that is would different culture to the christithat is a that is annuld argue that is a that is an example of where multiculturalism has succeeded. so people say so i disagree when people say succeeding strongest succeeding in the strongest possible . well, because possible. well, no, because except british values and norms on the on the whole , the vast on the on the whole, the vast that will be british muslims who will accept british values. and i know many of them. so i think the idea to say that multiculturalism failed in multiculturalism has failed in absolute terms is something i disagree the strongest disagree with on the strongest possible terms. now, the possible terms. now, on the issue which we are talking about, is how jewish

about, which is how jewish people britain people are feeling in britain today, concerned about today, i'm very concerned about how feeling in britain how they're feeling in britain today. it's terrible all today. i think it's terrible all that actions which happening that actions which are happening hundreds thousands of hundreds if not thousands of miles in the middle east, miles away in the middle east, are having an impact on how british are living their british people are living their lives. you spoke about lives. alex, you spoke about tolerance value. tolerance being a british value. we have to be tolerant then we also have to be tolerant then of people who want to talk about the plight of gaza that might be an unpopular point of view , but an unpopular point of view, but that a point of view that that is a point of view that people have. that is a point of view that peo but have. that is a point of view that peo but bute. that is a point of view that peo but but the plight of >> but but the plight of reasonable hamas is not quite palestine, palestine, not hamas. >> perfectly reasonable >> it's perfectly reasonable for people to peacefully protest in favour of the palestinians plight. >> well, hang on. yes i totally accept that. but but let's cast our mind back before israel had even spoken of any sort of retaliation, there were people out on the streets celebrating. unfortunately, in this country. and i think that is a sign that some communities are not integrating what we do about that a massive that that is a massive question that we won't solve now. but darren that is a massive question that we vis1't solve now. but darren that is a massive question that we vis goingie now. but darren that is a massive question that we vis going to 1ow. but darren that is a massive question that we vis going to tell but darren that is a massive question that we vis going to tell ust darren that is a massive question that we vis going to tell us what'en that is a massive question that we vis going to tell us what he now is going to tell us what he thinks politics down under thinks about politics down under with cousins. it's time

with our kiwi cousins. it's time for prime time. with our kiwi cousins. it's time for ah,1e time. with our kiwi cousins. it's time for ah, yes me. with our kiwi cousins. it's time for ah, yes .1e. >> ah, yes. >> ah, yes. >> you remember dame jacinda ardern? she was given a damehood for a stint as the globe's headmistress of covid tyranny. her zealous zero covid scheme kept new zealand shackled in a merciless lockdown for over two long years with the jab practically hammered into the veins of teachers, police and health care warriors. her autocratic whims included slam ing the door on overseas kiwis yearning to get back home and enforcing some of the strictest lockdowns the world knew her resignation came with a tired sigh of being burnt out, burnt out? well, it sounds more like a timely exit before an inevitable booting out sweet jacinda ardern serenaded china. she was jeopardising the vital five eyes intelligence alliance, and meanwhile she misplaced her vocal chords when it came to uyghurs languishing in chinese concentration camps , perhaps too concentration camps, perhaps too busy buffing a halo to concern

herself with minor issues like alleged genocide of muslims . as alleged genocide of muslims. as now, the circus didn't end with jacinda ardern's departure once her jester like grin left the stage , her comrades mooted the stage, her comrades mooted the world's first tax on the burps and toots of livestock. that was set for 2026. now, of course , set for 2026. now, of course, that's a tough nugget for new zealand farmers, much like the dutch farmers that we've seen in an act of open rebellion, given their stellar greenhouse gas emission efficiency. though she soared with a landslide in 2023, the winds changed as kiwis grew weary of the hot air from labour politicos. they've now warmly welcomed a new conservative to the helm. but in a hearty farewell to saint jacinda, tucked away in the history next to the draconi ion lockdowns which the high court in new zealand later branded as unjustifiable in a thriving democracy . so had we bid adieu

democracy. so had we bid adieu to one of the jacinda and the era of jacinda's politics, i can era ofjacinda's politics, i can only hope folks, and i mean this with my hand on my heart that the kiwis have learnt the costly lesson of trade and liberty for a mirage of left wing safety ism. well, i assume, benjamin buttennorth, that you thought she was the best thing since sliced bread. >> i mean, you say hand on your heart. i didn't know you had one. based on what? oh, here we go.the one. based on what? oh, here we go. the truth is that you're just bitter and envious because jacinda ardern won elections ovennhelmingly. she was incredibly popular in new zealand and new zealand managed to have a number of deaths from covid that was lower than the great majority of western countries, she did a fantastic job. she was hugely popular and what i think was so remarkable and actually can i just say, the fact that new zealand labour lost that election in the last 24 their subsequent 24 hours with their subsequent leader shows how successful she was because when she left the labour party lost come off it

and the left early. >> she left early to avoid humiliation aboutjacinda >> she left early to avoid humiliation about jacinda ardern is that sometimes it's obviously there are so many barriers to women getting into into jobs like running countries, right? >> they've still been far too few and some of them tend to adopt the character traits of men. they tend to be very aggressive. and what jacinda ardern did in a similar way to hillary clinton, who's my political is that political role model, is that she led with kindness . she led with kindness. >> and so i'm not taking this sexist. >> emily. i mean, do you think jacinda is all male character mystics of aggression? >> but she just stuck to being kind. don't want kind to kind. we don't want kind to politicians. we want politicians who are logical who are able who are logical and who are able to make arguments and are able to make arguments and are able to see through their policies, she was an absolute failure, but she was an absolute failure, but she locked people up and didn't allow people to have their relatives come them or to be relatives come see them or to be able go their relatives able to go see their relatives just because you relatives being locked hadn't done it. >> and she hadn't done it. >> and she hadn't done it. >> other didn't mean it. >> other people didn't mean it. it the way that it was appalling the way that she people. and has she treated people. and she has the most authoritarian nanny

state across the board state policies across the board anyway. way she was anyway. and the way that she was loved by, you know, loved up by, you know, international lefty international liberal lefty leaders was vomitous . leaders was vomitous. >> yes. and i'm not sure actually dismissing half of your population as deplorables , as an population as deplorables, as an especially nice thing to do. but you've got a very warped interpretation of that word , interpretation of that word, clearly. albee, you were going to say something ? to say something? >> yes, i was going to say, in fairness to emily about the author, libertarian measures that jacinda ardern took in author, libertarian measures thatjacinda ardern took in new that jacinda ardern took in new zealand, i remember at the beginning lockdown, looking beginning of lockdown, looking on new zealand and envy because they were able go out they were all able to go out because their covid policy they were all able to go out becauswe their covid policy they were all able to go out becauswe were r covid policy they were all able to go out becauswe were allivid policy they were all able to go out becauswe were all locked icy they were all able to go out becauswe were all locked up at whilst we were all locked up at home. were some home. so there were some measures worked quite well measures which worked quite well for jacinda ardern and there were which i disagreed were others which i disagreed with, actually agree with, but i do actually agree with, but i do actually agree with benjamin with the point that benjamin made it is very difficult made that it is very difficult for politicians, whether they made that it is very difficult for conservative 'hether they made that it is very difficult for conservative politiciansl are conservative politicians or liberal wing politicians , liberal left wing politicians, female politicians, get into female politicians, to get into politics. i was talking to alicia kearns at the conservative party conference last week and we had a whole discussion. a tory mp, she's a conservative mp. >> sorry, there are

>> i'm sorry, but there are women candidates that are women candidates lists that are only women selection processes. >> it's hard once you're in politics, i'd say, but i think all of the parties are desperate to have women, so if you're half decent, you'll one. well, decent, you'll get one. well, emily, actually listen to emily, if you actually listen to what had say , a female what alicia had to say, a female mp who was named terms, who has gone the process of gone through the process of becoming a conservative mp , she becoming a conservative mp, she was talking about how it's difficult lot of women difficult because a lot of women still the child care still have the child care burden, they can't to burden, so they can't go to these and these political these agm's and these political meetings that they to go to meetings that they need to go to in order to get selected. same in order to get selected. same in no, but that's in any job. no, but that's just having emily. in any job. no, but that's just havemily,|ily. in any job. no, but that's just hav emily, the point is, this in any job. no, but that's just havemily, the point is, this is >> emily, the point is, this is what alicia kearns a female conservative mp has said and it is more difficult women to is more difficult for women to get we see that get into politics. we see that at moment the at the moment because the candidates list, which have been selected for the conservative party, are men. >> alex armstrong i wonder if you think that actually we've got a lesson to be learned here in britain that electing someone like jacinda ardern, you know, maybe a as opposed to a maybe in a suit as opposed to a frock isn't going to end well for britain, is it? >> no, i mean, look, i don't

think your performance as a leader is determined by your sex anyway. >> and i agree with emily wholeheartedly . all women wholeheartedly. all women shortlists also a total disaster. you know, you want the best person for the job, not just the best person. if that sex of that category the job sex of that category for the job where it end? what where does it end? what a ridiculous what i would say is what say actually what i will say actually just just slightly. i'm just moving on slightly. i'm just moving on slightly. i'm just moving on slightly. >> alicia, the she is the list. >> alicia, the she is the list. >> yes. but let's listen to it. listen any female. have. listen to any female. i have. i have to say i am rejoicing. todayis have to say i am rejoicing. today is a double win in oceana with no vote on australia and the out of those zero the booting out of those zero covid nut jobs in new covid policy nut jobs in new zealand. it's fantastic, this nonsense that you talk. >> the people that say >> it's the same people that say they hate nicola sturgeon or tony blair. they you, you they hate nicola sturgeon or tonyyour r. they you, you they hate nicola sturgeon or tonyyour crazyy you, you they hate nicola sturgeon or tonyyour crazy right you, you they hate nicola sturgeon or tonyyour crazy right wing, you and your crazy right wing policies lost over. >> not today. they did it though, not today. though, benjamin. not today. >> zealand is like >> most new zealand is like jacinda most britons. jacinda ardern. most britons. >> well, they did it. that's why she from the election, she ran away from the election, didn't she? >> blair than your little >> tony blair than your little friend thatcher calling friend margaret thatcher calling her polling ratings took a nosedive. >> she quit. >> that's why she quit. not because was out. i

because she was burnt out. i mean, she won two elections out of nowhere, may on the of nowhere, may i say, on the women because obviously women point, because obviously i am a woman and i care about women and they face huge women and they do face huge amounts all types amounts of misogyny in all types of places, not least on of working places, not least on social a social media. when you're a politician and put yourself politician and you put yourself out there, i should know. but i don't think that we should portray these kind of portray women as these kind of weaklings as they have. weaklings or as if they have. they make the same kind they always make the same kind of leaders. they always make the same kind of li'mers. they always make the same kind of [i'm saying from the female >> i'm saying from the female mps i've spoken to, mps that i've spoken to, they all same problems all highlight the same problems of into politics and of women going into politics and perhaps spoke to some of perhaps if you spoke to some of them, would understand where them, you would understand where they're them, you would understand where the�*don't patronise me be. >> don't patronise me be. i speak people every day. speak to many people every day. anyway, still to come, i'll be back. he's got a few choice back. and he's got a few choice words for stop oil. words for just stop oil. benjamin in the politics benjamin dabbles in the politics of and angry alex has a few of envy and angry alex has a few thoughts the demise of the thoughts on the demise of the snp. saturday snp. you're with the saturday five .

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radio. welcome back to the saturday five. >> you'll be delighted to know there were no violence in the break there. as always, cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics christine has written in. and she says, i've never understood why people have a problem with people . a problem with jewish people. it's our streets it's quite scary. our streets may be turned into battle grounds . the british are too grounds. the british are too accommodating to these people. breaking laws . as jonathan breaking our laws. as jonathan says, i don't understand why people in this country are set on taking sides, murdering people, let alone children and babies is categorically wrong . i babies is categorically wrong. i am devastated for the israelis and i'm devastated for palestinians . now, folks, it's palestinians. now, folks, it's time for our next debate. up next, it's benjamin , and next, it's benjamin, and benjamin's going to tell us why labour should make private schools pay vat. as soon as it takes power. take it away, benjamin yeah, that's right. >> i think it's time that the generous tax subsidies, that private schools get need to be ended. private schools get need to be ended . it is an anomaly of ended. it is an anomaly of history that has benefited very

few people . so if you're not few people. so if you're not aware private school fees don't have vat on them, which is at 20, they get charity status as schools and if you donate to a private school, you can gift aid it. so for example, rishi sunak gave £100,000 to a private school. his old school of winchester, and then the taxpayer can add £25,000 to that. and it's estimated that those benefits cost us about £3 billion a year in subsidies or money that the exchequer would othennise take. now, i think in a time when our schools are crumbling and they can't even fix the roofs for regular kids in state schools , the idea that in state schools, the idea that £3 billion is going to the richest families is absurd and some people will say, but they scrimp and save in some cases to afford private school fees. well, the average private school costs £15,200 a year. now, that's almost as much as a full time salary on the minimum wage.

that's not something that many people have. spare only 6.5% of people have. spare only 6.5% of people in this country go to private schools. so i say, why should we be giving handouts to these hooray henrys when regular people can't make ends meet? now, some will say a 20% on those costs of private schools. that'll be really difficult for them. how will they afford it? well, in real terms, private school fees have gone up 20% since 2010. and strangely , when since 2010. and strangely, when that money was swilling from one lot of rich people to another, lot of rich people to another, lot of rich people, nobody was bothered then. so i think it's time that we end this ridiculous elitist handout from the poor to the rich. now emily, what do you think about vat on private school fees ? school fees? >> i just think it's just hopeless from labour and it just shows what their priorities are. it's all about it was, you know, it was the policy that got the biggest swoop in the room at conference at the labour party conference at the labour party conference in liverpool. and why is that? because it goes into

the sort of class war it mobilises the politics of envy. it's not going to raise a lot of money. i also don't think a vat free on private school fees is the equivalent of a handout. it's just not adding a tax onto something. but when you gift aid a donation to a private school, i also think that what you're what you're going to be left with is people who are scrimping and to send kids. and saving to send their kids. they go, but then you will they won't go, but then you will have henry's still have the hooray. henry's still going. you'll have going. and also you'll have people from abroad and people coming from abroad and going schools because going to these schools because they'll only ones that they'll be the only ones that can . it's just a can afford them. it's just a stupid no, policy is stupid policy. no, no, policy is not to going raise any money. and it's actually pay people and it's actually you pay people screaming screaming . screaming and screaming. >> don't have one >> most people don't have one kid. have kid. they probably have two kids. that's like 30 grand to kids. so that's like 30 grand to send every year. do you send two kids every year. do you realise normal people realise that some normal people literally 30,000 literally do not have 30,000 grand parents? >> they aren't all to put money into getting them into these schools there so many schools when there are so many people in this country can't people in this country who can't even feed their kids. even afford to feed their kids. >> state schools do falling >> when state schools do falling down, what has that? i think we shouldn't money shouldn't be giving money to

those the most. those people who have the most. >> there are >> unfortunately, there are people who are really struggling in what has in this country, don't. what has that i certainly do. that got? well, i certainly do. >> you don't care because >> and you don't care because you think we should be subsidising like you. can i just add as well that >> can i just add as well that the wealthiest people who are who their children who are putting their children to private is hard earned to private school is hard earned money? they didn't it money? they didn't just pop it out backside, a lot out of their backside, a lot of them. secondly, were them. and secondly, they were living under the highest tax burden as it burden since world war ii as it is. and then you want to slap on vat to something they've worked to children through to put their children through probably halfway through term. some go right some of them would go right now i've add that onto my tax i've got to add that onto my tax as well. >> oh, no, about the >> oh, no, what about the millionaires? have an millionaires? don't have an extra though? extra 20 millionaires, though? >> actually just make a >> is it actually just make a point you put fonnard point because you put fonnard a perfectly decent argument. and i think well in think labour does as well in terms of having a taxation policy which is fair and cohesive. yeah, it makes sense to vat to private schools, to add vat to private schools, but of things that but one of the things that you're that you're forgetting is that parents their children parents who send their children to schools paying to private schools are paying tax tax to the tax and that tax goes to the state school system and they're not their children not putting their children through that system. >> actually. through that system.

>> if actually. through that system. >> if i actually. through that system. >> if i can actually. through that system. >> if i can finish tually. through that system. >> if i can finish myly. through that system. >> if i can finish my points, i've not actually made it yet. so point my point is that so my point is my point is that these parents who are taking their children out of the state sector and into the private sector and into the private sector actually up sector are actually freeing up more state more resources in the state sector those people. most sector for those people. most i mean, no, tax break. mean, no, no, no tax break. >> let me let me answer that because all, when you because first of all, when you pay 7°” because first of all, when you pay you don't pay it for pay taxes, you don't pay it for a service like you do a specific service like you do if you go and buy a coffee in a chain shop. right so i don't have kids, but i still pay the same tax as someone who does. i don't get a tax because don't get a tax rebate because i don't get a tax rebate because i don't that's not how don't have kids. that's not how tax works. and the tax policy works. and the estimates that if the number estimates are that if the number of going to private school of kids going to private school halved, it would cost the state about £300 million a year. well, that's billion we'd about £300 million a year. well, thaiback. billion we'd about £300 million a year. well, thaiback. so billion we'd about £300 million a year. well, thaiback. so regularwillion we'd about £300 million a year. well, thaiback. so regular people, a'd about £300 million a year. well, thaiback. so regular people, the get back. so regular people, the 93, 94% of people in this country be better off. country would be better off. >> you worked that out, >> how have you worked that out, benjamin? because there are 700,000 private schools 700,000 kids in private schools and they reckon that it will cost somewhere between 3.5 billion at the primary rate at the current rate and 4.5 billion at the secondary rate annually. to bring these people into the

state sector. so once again, i'm afraid to say, unlike the people who scrimp and save to send their kids to private schools, you're talking out your back. >> very good. very good. darren sums don't add up. >> do they think you're taking with one hand and giving with your bottom? >> no. >> no. >> i think the audacity of you, a who pretends to go to a man who pretends to go to a private school, a man who pretends to voice of the pretends to be the voice of the working and endlessly goes working class and endlessly goes on the red wall and the on about the red wall and the working and the brexit working class and the brexit revolution. actually, when revolution. when actually, when it you sit there it comes to it, you sit there and defend handouts and and you defend handouts and exemptions for the richest in this you people this country. you defend people like johnson , who take the like boris johnson, who take the mick working in this mick of working people in this country. you don't give a about working people in country . working people in this country. you to climb the you just want to climb the slippery yourself. slippery ladder yourself. >> i tell you what. look, >> well, i tell you what. look, i shouldn't he want to i mean, why shouldn't he want to climb the ladder? >> quite. >> well, quite. >> well, quite. >> on that point, though, >> but on that point, though, i actually think these people are heroes, are able to heroes, people that are able to pay heroes, people that are able to pay care, pay for private health care, take burden off the nhs. take the burden off the nhs. >> who are able to pay >> people who are able to pay for schools take the for private schools take the burden state so

burden off the state sector. so it means that kids like me get more opportunities. it means that kids like me get mo well, nortunities. it means that kids like me get mo well, benjamin's also >> well, benjamin's also pro—immigration. i'm sure i am. and what do you want to do? take more of the competitive value out of the country so people just want to come just go, i don't want to come here. the only people coming here. the only people coming here are people are free. here are people who are free. >> i'm saying, all i'm >> all i'm saying, all i'm saying schools, schools, saying schools, private schools, private schools are benefits rich, to come rich, rich, rich people to come to country, don't they? all to the country, don't they? all i'm saying is that private schools should operate on a fair level, a level playing field. but this. let's be but let me say this. let's be honest about why people send their kids to private schools right. you it's not right. you know, it's not because want to relieve the because they want to relieve the taxpayer of money. it's taxpayer of a bit of money. it's for reasons. want to for two reasons. they want to get they want to they get ahead and they want to they want system so they want to work the system so they get unfair advantage. that's get an unfair advantage. that's one of the main reasons that's not the same as parents put not the same as parents who put their children tutoring. their children through tutoring. well, more well, or it's a more free version, they will do. version, which they will do. they want to that. they want to do that. >> people know. >> people know. >> they that in a country >> they know that in a country like there is elite like ours, there is an elite where other people give where other posh people give other people often other posh people jobs, often not all. and the not on merit at all. and the other is that they don't other reason is that they don't want their little precious henry

and buttennorth, near and henrietta buttennorth, near those you those common children. if you had children, i bet you'd do everything get them everything you could to get them into best school possible. into the best school possible. if children, something's if i had children, something's gone wrong. if i had children, something's gorfortunately,'ong. if i had children, something's gor fortunately, fortunately, >> fortunately, fortunately, fawkes buttennorth will never reproduce, and we can all be grateful for that. ahead, grateful for that. still ahead, though, got the a—team though, we've got the a—team coming that's alex and alby. coming up. that's alex and alby. they'll on the snp and they'll be taken on the snp and just oils latest student just stop oils latest student antics find their views in antics. find out their views in just moment . antics. find out their views in just moment. you're with the just a moment. you're with the saturday live on gb news .

radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. we don't think we're too grumpy this evening. i got a bit heated there , but thank you very heated there, but thank you very much. you've been sending in your emails, graham says. can't believe saying but believe i'm saying this, but benjamin occasion benjamin, on this occasion i fully agree with in relation to private schools . as you don't private schools. as you don't say why though. tell us why. graham lucy says it's obvious, doesn't need an explanation. lucy says most public schools

offer bursaries to poorer children . rishi sunak gift to children. rishi sunak gift to winchester college would have funded such places . yes, that is funded such places. yes, that is what the money tends to go for. unless it was for some new i don't know. i was one of those children, by the way. >> one those children. >> one of those children. >> one of those children. >> but it's time for our next debate. >> indeed. up next, the >> indeed. up next, it's the angry armstrong. and he's angry alex armstrong. and he's asking, is it game over for scottish indie pendence? take it away, alex. >> yes , yes. it's been a murky >> yes, yes. it's been a murky few weeks for the pond of the snp up north. and you know, it's not looking great for scottish independence either. now humza yousaf , the first minister yousaf, the first minister himself is down to —7% in the opinion polls of his personal approval ratings and the snp is losing ground to unionist parties such as the labour and conservative party . so without conservative party. so without any big fish, without any sturgeons or salmon's can the snp carry the torch for independence? well, i don't think so. just this week alone we've had a defection, one of one of the snp's mps to the conservative party, one of their

great rivals in westminster for now. why is that? well it's possibly due to the rotten core of the snp westminster party , of the snp westminster party, which has been accused multiple times of bullying and harassing work environment. dr. lisa cameron herself, who is the defecting mp, actually has taken her family into hiding because she's been harassed and bullied so much that she she no longer fears that she she now fears for the safety of her family. what a disgraceful set of circumstances . and what's the snp's retort to that? well now she is just having a go. she's just getting to the place where she wants to be.she to the place where she wants to be. she wants to get out while the goings good. i really , the goings good. i really, really do worry for the snp and their future scotland. their future in scotland. i think now that the scottish people really starting to people are really starting to wake and see what an wake up and see what an independent run by the independent scotland run by the snp would look the highest snp would look like, the highest record of a&e waiting lists since records began . three times since records began. three times as many drug related deaths. thousands less teachers than

when the snp took office. yes. look, i'm a passionate unionist, but i want scotland to be part of a thriving united kingdom . of a thriving united kingdom. but we have to reject that. this nationalistic and quite frankly, crazy ideology of the snp who are valueless and are driving scotland into the ground. what's going to be left windowless ferries . so i implore the ferries. so i implore the scottish people, as someone who campaigned for the better together referendum myself to come back to reject the snp and to vote unionist. that's where i stand. >> oh well , there you go. >> oh well, there you go. >> oh well, there you go. >> you know, very passionate . >> you know, very passionate. you know what i've been thinking? because is it on the one hand it is rather nice to see the snp doing badly in scotland because obvious reasons , i'm also a unionist. i want the united kingdom to stay together. but on the other hand , together. but on the other hand, ed, i know what you're going to say . labour is surging, so it say. labour is surging, so it does make it very highly likely that we're going to see a labour government or at least labour

with biggest the with the biggest being the biggest the next biggest party at the next election, i'm not overly election, which i'm not overly excited as a prospect. but excited about as a prospect. but i think the union matters more. >> can i, can just tell you >> can i, can i just tell you what's really interesting is actually the are actually labour and the snp are both the polls slightly both down in the polls slightly each. tories actually each. the tories are actually holding well. i'm not holding pretty well. i'm not saying that the tories are going to party in to be the largest party in scotland any time soon, which scotland in any time soon, which i would to the fact i would love to be the case fact checker, but i will say that no, it's a fact. i would like i was reading the poll the way in reading the poll on the way in and avanta the polling company for first in about decade. >> they had the snp and labour on the same 35. yes, labour was up. tories were also to up. the tories were also up to 19, but let's get your facts straight. >> well, okay, whatever poll you'd like to read, benjamin, that reflects your values. sure but i think what's but you know, i think what's what's great to see alex, i am happy unionist party to happy for any unionist party to displace the snp, frankly, because think biggest because i think the biggest danger the snp proposed to this country and i really do think they are a threat to the to the union is the breaking up of a great union that's lasted

hundreds of years. >> i think perhaps with this snp discussion focusing the discussion we're focusing on the wrong debate and actually the debate we should having is debate we should be having is how scottish how popular scottish independence young independence is with the young scottish because they're scottish people because they're going the voters of the going to be the voters of the future think there will be future and i think there will be another at point another referendum at some point on independence people. on independence and with people. >> our age, scottish independence very popular, so independence is very popular, so it really matter independence is very popular, so it going really matter independence is very popular, so it going on really matter independence is very popular, so it going on with.ly matter independence is very popular, so it going on with labourter independence is very popular, so it going on with labour and what's going on with labour and the snp at the with the snp at the moment. with regards to unionism, yes it does count when comes labour count when it comes to labour forming government in forming a government in westminster, it comes westminster, but when it comes to i think we need to to unionism i think we need to be making an argument. the positive the union to positive case for the union to young people in scotland, because at the moment don't because at the moment they don't think the same way that do. think the same way that we do. >> actually, for the first >> i actually, for the first time albeit time ever, albeit i think i agree do think that agree with you, i do think that when i was part of the better together campaign way back when and it was a very and it was i think it was a very weak campaign. was a campaign weak campaign. it was a campaign based on fear. it's the same remain tactics that were used in the here as well for the referendum here as well for brexit. that doesn't brexit. and i think that doesn't resonate people. and resonate with people. and we do need to be creating a positive environment for of hope, of

prosperity nations. >> hang it isn't the snp >> but hang on, it isn't the snp running for miss world at this point scotland ? it isn't point in scotland? it isn't the scottish though of scottish people though all of a sudden out with sudden fallen out of love with the snp. it's just that the snp. right? it's just that they've humza yousaf the they've got humza yousaf the useless in office and useless in office now and actually the scottish people aren't all of a sudden saying labour are the best thing since sliced bread or the conservatives. i mean the woman that's defected defected the conservative party apparently because a social because she's quite a social conservative. so it's not that the are suddenly the conservatives are suddenly mmp the conservatives are suddenly romp home in scotland, is it? >> you're but, >> yeah. you're right. but but, you know, think the you know, look, i think the important is, i mean, we'd important thing is, i mean, we'd be very interesting to the snp party conference weekend party conference this weekend is to see whether humza yousaf actually u—turns promise actually u—turns on his promise which he made only last month, to know, if the snp are to say you know, if the snp are the largest party in scotland, i will use that as a negotiation tactic to get another independence referendum. all right. he's going independence referendum. all righave he's going independence referendum. all righave to he's going independence referendum. all righave to u—turn he's going independence referendum. all righave to u—turn on's going independence referendum. all righave to u—turn on that. ng independence referendum. all righave to u—turn on that. that to have to u—turn on that. that saves union another few saves the union another few years, great. years, which i think is great. >> there's not going to be another there's not to another there's not going to be another there's not going to be a referendum time a second referendum any time soon because the nature of the scottish electoral makes scottish electoral system makes it hard a majority

it very hard to get a majority in. miraculously managed to do it very hard to get a majority in several lously managed to do it very hard to get a majority in several times. managed to do it very hard to get a majority in several times. the aged to do it very hard to get a majority in several times. the figures do it several times. the figures now do to that now do not point to that happening. so there's not going to a referendum. labour is to be a referendum. labour is surging westminster surging in the westminster polls. extra 30 polls. maybe adding an extra 30 seats scotland, seats in scotland, which completely changes the map to downing starmer downing street. for keir starmer . and think when you have a . and i think when you have a labour government in downing street, scotland street, obviously scotland is more voters on the left more has more voters on the left than england i think that than england does. i think that will integration the will help the integration of the union all be grateful. >> well, if you do look at polling and i know you like facts, actually there is not a big difference between the views in and the views in in england and the views in scotland. that's myth that scotland. that's a myth that that far more of them for that far more of them vote for left leaning parties potentially so, conservative, so, but may be conservative, though. anyway, though. yes, in general. anyway, folks scotland, folks, if you're from scotland, do touch via email. but do get in touch via email. but still ahead, i'll be as ready for quite the argument he's been watching. just oils latest watching. just stop oils latest round activism . and frankly, round of activism. and frankly, he cannot believe his eyes. let's have a gander in just a minute or two. you're with the saturday five

welcome back to the saturday five. >> thank you for your emails to david a proud scotsman says good evening. five as a resident of scotland, i pray indyref2 is dead along with the snp. right. well, strong stuff there. he's on your side. alex a good man. but yes. let's get to our next debate. the last debate this houn debate. the last debate this hour. absolutely >> up next, it's albee. and albee is going to talk about his love of just stop oil it's time for albee's argument, right? >> yes. that wonderful organisation just oil organisation, an just stop oil well, i think it's time that just stop oil. just shut up. this organisation , ocean this this organisation, ocean this week has been causing more climate mayhem. when a 24 year old activist in cambridge chucked an orange paint over over trinity college, cambridge , over trinity college, cambridge, an ancient building in scotland, and has been causing all sorts of trouble for the colleges in cambridge in a bid to persuade

the government that actually their policy of new oil and gas licences is wrong. now let's be honest. just stop oil are probably feeling a bit sore given that they've recently given that they've recently given that the regulator is have recently approved the rosebank oil field exploration in. so now they're trying to get their own back. but these people are completely unhinged. this activist after going on this tirade against one of the ancient cambridge colleges , has ancient cambridge colleges, has uploaded a bizarre video onto social media where she actually said, i am terrified of what will happen to me and my friends when society breaks down. trans people are already treated like animals . people are already treated like animals. imagine what will happen to us when people are stabbing each other over the last loaf of bread at tesco . last loaf of bread at tesco. sorry what? stabbing each other over the last loaf of bread at tesco. these things are simply not going to happen. these

people are unhinged. they don't live in the real world. let's take this student for example. she is an international student paying she is an international student paying international fees at cambridge university. she has absolutely no idea what it's like for the average man and woman on the street. these climate activists are completely out of touch. they see the world how they want to see it, not how it actually is. and the simple fact of the matter is we need oil and gas before we transition to net zero and even after we transition to net zero zero, we'll need oil and gas for baseload . when the wind isn't baseload. when the wind isn't blowing, the sun isn't shining and nuclear hasn't been developed yet. so oil and gas is always going to be an important part of our energy mix. and surely it's better that we get that oil and gas from resources within our own nation than going to hostile states like russia and ending up in a position like we were after the ukraine war. so that's why i think it is

about time that just stop oil. just shut up. benjamin you are. i imagine, going to disagree with everything that i just said . but on the point the last point that i made about the fact that we actually do need oil and gas before we transition to net zero and even after we transition to net zero, we'll need oil and gas for baseload. where do you want us to get that oil and gas from? well i was listening to that. >> i thought, just stop. albee is the group i'm going join. is the group i'm going to join. look got in some look you know, i've got in some fights over yellow stickers on the discounts in the discounts for bread in tesco. think she actually tesco. so i think she actually does have a point there. but you know the truth is that if know what? the truth is that if we had invested far heavier in wind in solar then wind power in solar power, then we wouldn't found ourselves we wouldn't have found ourselves in nightmare situation where in the nightmare situation where we've spent more on our allowances for people's energy bills in the last year than we did even on furlough during covid. that's how expensive failing to plan for this has

been. and benjamin , that's not been. and benjamin, that's not the point i was making. we are in ireland. >> if you could address the point about the fact that we need oil and gas for baseload, even after we transition to net zero, where do want us to zero, where do you want us to get from? well look, we get that from? well look, we import it at the moment, but the question we get question isn't about how we get oil gas. oil and gas. >> the question is about not using oil and gas, but we need a baseload and solar. >> that great solar energy >> yeah, that great solar energy that always shining that the sun was always shining in country. benjamin but at in this country. benjamin but at a in ireland, a time of year in ireland, exactly. very cloudy one. i don't if you've taken don't know if you've taken a year full hot air and so is year full of hot air and so is britain. but we can have our own energy to say energy company about to say actually air that comes actually that the air that comes out of benjamin's gob is enough to the nation. to power the nation. >> surely does. >> surely does. >> does benjamin not make a >> does does benjamin not make a valid no, have not valid point? no, we have not invested clean energy. invested enough in clean energy. whether that nuclear, whether or not that is nuclear, whether is whether or not that is renewables, and actually, had we done earlier, wouldn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in earlier, wouldn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in the earlier, wouldn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in the position wouldn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in the position thatiouldn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in the position that we dn't renewables, and actually, had we d0|in the position that we are be in the position that we are in now. >> absolutely not. be because you well as i do that you know as well as i do that benjamin buttennorth is a high flyer goes off here. there flyer that goes off here. there

and everywhere, every two minutes. solar is minutes. the idea that solar is going to get him from his destinations, from this, he destinations, from this, as he points out, island is points out, island nation is utterly absurd and he knows it is . and it will be the working is. and it will be the working class of this country that, oh, now you care about the working class. >> you didn't give a. he wanted tax rebates rich. tax rebates for the rich. >> may i just take >> may i just may i just take this back to utterly this back to this utterly bizarre quote that i don't think we've spoken about enough? this quote who did quote from this woman who did this. she starts talking about, yeah, bring back up? yeah, can we bring it back up? because saying she's because she starts saying she's terrified what will happen to terrified of what will happen to me friends society me and my friends when society breaks down trans people are already like animals. already treated like animals. imagine what will happen to us when people are stabbing each other over a loaf of bread. what on earth has trans people got to do with? just stop oils? cause i can.can do with? just stop oils? cause i can. can you? well, there's a lot of attention seeking for sure. >> and, you know, i think a lot of these activists are just doing anything to get on tv and to get noticed by trans people. >> you know, transgender people don't all have the view don't all have the same view on oil gas licences. oil and gas licences. >> they seem to think that

>> well, they seem to think that theissue >> well, they seem to think that the issue we might have to add a new acronym onto the lgbtqi. plus we might have to just stop oil at the end. >> about the oil, it's just about attaching yourself onto any of course, about attaching yourself onto anyof course, it is just about >> of course, it is just about that particular quote because it is me is something which irritated me quite alex you know, quite a lot. alex you know, we're members the lgbt we're both members of the lgbt plus community. do you for yourself, do you speak for yourself, do you speak for yourself , albie? yourself, do you speak for yourself, albie? do you find it irritating, alex, that people like chiara from cambridge are coupling lgbt rights with these ludicrous demands for environmentalism and making us all look like very quickly ? all look like very quickly? >> yeah. sorry. yeah very quickly. it's absolutely nuts. this this acronym is just going to keep on growing until it becomes obnoxiously ridiculous for anyone to even know what anyone stands for and what what rights okay rights are left. okay >> dokey it for our first >> dokey that's it for our first hour tonight. got hour tonight. but we've got plenty more come on the plenty more to come on the saturday five. we're going be saturday five. we're to going be answering questions in answering all your questions in flummox the five and a great bbc journalist, former bbc journalist. he's absolutely fuming refusal to call fuming about the refusal to call hamas terrorists. don't miss

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it's saturday night. >> welcome back to the saturday five. i'm darren grimes , along five. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona emily carver, benjamin buttennorth and alex armstrong lords. more to come on the show tonight. alex armstrong lords. more to come on the show tonight . we're come on the show tonight. we're going to be discussing the latest changes being made to the grand national. lloyd bank, offering counselling to those offended by tory conference rhetoric . benjamin offended by tory conference rhetoric. benjamin i'll be grateful and we'll even be talking married at first sight. yes i'm looking fonnard to that one. >> one. >> and don't forget, flummox the five. we want your questions tonight. they're already flying in actually , and we will be in actually, and we will be answering them all live and

unscripted later this hour. so do get them in. last week, we were asked who we'd like to be prime minister we were also asked treat us asked why the tories treat us like idiots and also what we make of female pundits. make of female football pundits. nothing limits tonight, nothing is off limits tonight, so in touch. email us so do get in touch. email us gbviews@gbnews.uk. com but before start , another hour of before we start, another hour of chaos , it is your saturday night chaos, it is your saturday night news with . aaron news with. aaron >> hello. very good evening to you. it is a minute past eight here in the newsroom. israel's military says it's preparing to attack hamas by land , sea and attack hamas by land, sea and air in what they say will be a comprehensive, coordinated offensive. earlier, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, warned that the next stage is coming as he visited troops stationed on the front line near the gaza strip. hundreds of thousands of reservists have been mobilised . id no timings been mobilised. id no timings have been given, but more than a million resident in northern gaza have been told to evacuate .

gaza have been told to evacuate. forces have been deployed throughout the country as israel prepares for significant ground operations. well, mr netanyahu has previously pledged to wipe hamas from the face of the earth. his administration has also warned hezbollah not to intervene and that doing so would risk the destruction of lebanon . well, a deadline given lebanon. well, a deadline given for the evacuation of civilians from northern gaza has now expired . thousands of people expired. thousands of people have been fleeing south towards the rafah border crossing with egypt, the only route out of gaza not under israeli control has been closed because of israeli airstrikes. although the united states says it's trying to negotiate a five hour opening to negotiate a five hour opening to allow civilians out of the blockaded enclave and humanitarian aid. in a young british girl who's trapped in gaza says that she fears for her life . life. >> i'm like, really in fear and like every every time i just have to have the thought of me

dying in a bomb in gaza like it's not a good thing. like every place i go, i go run away and i just find bombs and i find dead people and, like, maybe one day i'll end up like them. but it's a really scary thing for me . well >> well, meanwhile, those who haven't been able to leave gaza are squeezing into un schools, hospitals and makeshift shelters as those israeli airstrikes continue, the palestinian health ministry says dozens of people were killed on the road when a convoy of vehicles heading south on a safe route was targeted yesterday. israel says hamas is preventing people from leaving so that it can use them as a human shield, which the terror group denies . gaza authorities group denies. gaza authorities say more than 2200 people have been killed. a quarter of them children, and nearly 10,000 wounded. so plies of power, food and water to the enclave have been cut off and hamas is

understood to have still got 120 hostages in its possession . well hostages in its possession. well tens of thousands of people in the uk have gathered for a pro—palestinian demonstrations across the country as the situation in gaza worsens, marchers filled the streets of london earlier . thousands also london earlier. thousands also gathered in manchester, liverpool , edinburgh and other liverpool, edinburgh and other parts of the country, urging world leaders to condemn israel's actions. the met police said seven people had been arrested, including one for criminal damage and two for pubuc criminal damage and two for public order offences . france is public order offences. france is deploying 7000 extra soldiers to increase security after a school teacher was killed yesterday and three other people were injured . three other people were injured. it's being linked to the conflict that's ongoing between israel and hamas. france has raised its security alert to its highest level . a suspect has highest level. a suspect has been arrested. police say he is a russian born chechen who is also a former student of the high school .

also a former student of the high school. this is gb news. we're live across the uk, on tv, on digital radio and on your smart. speaker two now back to the . saturday five. the. saturday five. >> thanks, aaron. it's saturday night . you're with the saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and this is going to be a very lively houn is going to be a very lively hour. so let's crack on. it's time for the bunch of five. this is where we spin through . yes. is where we spin through. yes. five the week's big stories five of the week's big stories and give our always well considered and thoughtful opinions . opinions. >> yes. this week, a former hamas leader called for the day of rage demand protests across the muslim world in support of the muslim world in support of the palestinians and for the peoples of neighbouring countries to join the fight against israel. the implications of this call have been seen across the world through protests , through school protests, through school closures and a rise in anti—semitic abuse . france anti—semitic abuse. france called for a ban on pro—palestinian rallies across the country, saying they were likely to generate disturbances

to public order. but french police were required yesterday to use tear gas and water cannons to disperse crowds that defied this ban here in london today, the met deployed over 1000 officers to manage the pro—palestinian demonstrations . pro—palestinian demonstrations. but should we actually follow france in banning pro—palestine protests ? protests? >> it's a very difficult one, isn't it, because france, for example ? well, it's every example? well, it's every weekend. there's some kind of riot protest going on in the capital and they can get violent. and the police do show their authority . a teacher was their authority. a teacher was just stabbed, of course, quite a bit. yeah, well, there there is that which is absolutely horrendous. i think it's difficult. i think the police aren't being strict enough when it to these things. i'm it comes to these things. i'm not don't not sure if they don't understand what is anti—semitic and what isn't. i think that might be one of the big problems. also reports problems. there's also reports and if this is and i don't know if this is verified or not, but a man waving a union, jack, may or may not have been removed from the

protest that is utterly protest today. that is utterly bizarre. true. think the bizarre. if true. so i think the police need to be told exactly what as pro—hamas , what counts as being pro—hamas, exactly as being exactly what counts as being a hate . and can, you hate crime. and if they can, you know, hate crime, someone know, can hate crime, someone misgendering then they misgendering someone, then they can this out because can sort this out because actually , i wonder we draw actually, i wonder where we draw the right? the line, right? >> someone says, >> because if someone says, well, not actually pro hamas well, i'm not actually pro hamas and the of it, we've and all the rest of it, we've got london on screen there right now. say i'm not pro now. if they say i'm not pro hamas, i'm pro—palestine. but they're doing chants they're also doing those chants that the extermination that call for the extermination of jewish people or of either jewish people or or palestine or israel, rather, then surely that's where we have to draw the line. that's incitement to violence, is it not? >> the truth is that a palestinian protest in the last week feels very different to what would have been a month ago. these people are trying to give an alibi to evil by using the language of peace and justice and the problem is that i think for too many of these people that are going out and protests right now, it's not about the borders. it's about racism . they hate the jewish racism. they hate the jewish people. they don't want israel

to exist. and we've seen so many examples of that. but benjamin, a lot of your friends in the labour party, for example, would be well, hang on a be saying, well, hang on a minute, completely minute, you're completely ignonng pught ignoring the plight of palestinian people. >> but , palestinian people. >> but, you palestinian people. >> but , you know, that's >> well, but, you know, that's why say think going and why i say i think going and doing this right now is quite obviously a different thing to talking about the palestinian issue a month ago. >> if your response to terrorists murdering more than a thousand israelis, young people going to a festival is to then going to a festival is to then go and riot outside the israeli embassy. i struggle to get to the studio tonight because high street kensington, where the israeli embassy is located, was covered in riot police trying to control all protesters. now now, i haven't seen any of that from jewish people targeting the embassies of countries that are allied with palestine and i think that tells you all you need to know. i think the question is about where the state gets involved with policing. >> protests really , you know, we >> protests really, you know, we can make arguments in favour of

the pro—palestine protests . we the pro—palestine protests. we can make arguments against them. but ultimately it's where does the state get involved? and that's what darren was talking about. and i would feel probably quite uncomfortable if we were to take a french approach where we were going to be banning protests on matters that were unpopular with the public. >> , i'd actually have to >> yeah, i'd actually have to agree with you, albie, again. second tonight. wow. that second time tonight. wow. that banning things is just not the right thing to do. yes, i understand. there's there's understand. there's a there's a lot in these protests, lot going on in these protests, though. people course, though. some people of course, as benjamin, doing as you said, benjamin, doing this reasons. this for the wrong reasons. there who there are some people who genuinely do feel for the plight of palestinians. so i don't agree banning, do agree with banning, but i do think police should crack think the police should crack down sure that the down and make sure that what the protests like the paraguay protests are like the paraguay murders are are removed from the protest. >> hang on, alex, you >> but hang on, alex, would you not been not say that we've been a country that's offered succour and support to those who do not like our views and values and actually support the values potentially of hideous potentially even of the hideous atrocities committed by hamas last weekend ? last weekend? >> i'd yeah, i mean this is this is the difficult should we not

ban well look, living in ban them? well look, living in a country that openly allows a democracy and a debate, actually, i think better to actually, i think is better to see than to it to driven see this than to it to be driven underground. that's always underground. and that's always my things. underground. and that's always my out things. underground. and that's always my out in things. underground. and that's always my out in front things. underground. and that's always my out in front of things. underground. and that's always my out in front of people. gs. put it out in front of people. let the public decide whether they think this is a good thing. >> but if you had if >> i'm sorry, but if you had if you had huge numbers of what you had a huge numbers of what appeared far right appeared to be far right protesters, i.e. white men and women going down the street shouting anti—semitic chants, i think there would be a yeah , i think there would be a yeah, i don't think the likes of tommy robinson would last. i mean, exactly . anyway, changes are exactly. anyway, changes are being made the grand national being made to the grand national in attempt make horse in an attempt to make horse racing safer. the jockey club have will include have said this will include moving the first fence, bringing fonnard start times and raising the standards needed to enter a horse in the first place. back in april , all horse in the first place. back in april, all animal welfare protesters tried gain entry protesters tried to gain entry to track at aintree were to the track at aintree and were carried protests to carried out. other protests to raise their concerns with the sport. they have sport. there they are. so have animal rising one. as the jockey club tightens the rules for the

next grand national. should they have? who who is do you know? a lot about horse racing? >> not really , no. but i did. >> not really, no. but i did. >> not really, no. but i did. >> it doesn't mean he's a judge. i'm not sure. >> i'm five foot 11. thank you very much, ben. 11. that's. that's cool enough. who are five foot 11, right? right well, ten. 11. well, i'm not i'm not 11. right. well, i'm not i'm not going to say i'm six foot anyway. look the thing is, right, once you've given in to these they're going to these protests, they're going to come for more. they're come back for more. they're going this until ban going to do this until they ban horse altogether. can horse racing altogether. i can guarantee back guarantee you they'll be back this matter how much you this year no matter how much you give to them, they'll just want more. i'm sure benjamin more. and i'm sure benjamin will tell about how his tell us more about how his protest are preparing protest friends are preparing for it. >> do you like a spot of the races? >> no. i think the grand nationals should banned, nationals should be banned, of course, the is that course, because the fact is that every anything fun, benjamin, course, because the fact is that every single.|g fun, benjamin, course, because the fact is that every single. it'sm, benjamin, course, because the fact is that every single. it's notienjamin, course, because the fact is that every single. it's not funamin, every single. it's not fun for the horses. and i don't the dead horses. and i don't think sport means, think a sport that means, you know, animals being know, the animals being subjected so severely subjected to it gets so severely injured that every year they drop from injuries is drop dead from their injuries is often i think we have often several. i think we have a moral problem there we moral problem there and we shouldn't supporting shouldn't be supporting it. >> actually found

>> i think we've actually found a solution with these a sensible solution with these new rulings that the grand national made, because national has made, because ultimately what are doing ultimately what they are doing is measures that are is putting in measures that are going safer for going to make it safer for horses and safer and safer and safer for jockeys. so it's horses and safer and safer and safer forjockeys. so it's a win safer for jockeys. so it's a win win. activists are happy and win. the activists are happy and the think alex is right. >> we need to stop pandering to these idiots. but anyway, here's a one from alex. but in a nice one from alex. but in this day age, he says many this day and age, he says many of are avid dating app users. of us are avid dating app users. back in 2020, an app called gnndr back in 2020, an app called grindr and other apps removed ethnicity filters to support the black lives matter movement. but three years on, soul, race specific dating apps are apparently rampant. so should we have race specific dating apps or is this a territory that enters perhaps potentially racism ? racism? >> we have religious ones, so i've seen advertised on the tube you know, jewish ones , muslim you know, jewish ones, muslim ones, christian ones . so i don't ones, christian ones. so i don't know. it seems a bit odd to just have a black only app .

have a black only app. >> just give a little bit of context because it might it might help the debate. well you know, a few years ago, blm, black put pressure black lives matter put pressure on tinder grinder and all these other hinge to other dating apps hinge to actually race filters. actually remove race filters. they it was racist. now, i they said it was racist. now, i think it is racist. sure. and i think it is racist. sure. and i think is it then not racist to have black only dating apps and so this is this is the quandary we get into where we're dividing, unnecessarily dividing people and saying, well, if you want be this muslim app, want to be on this muslim app, you a you you have to be a muslim. you want on this jewish app, want to be on this jewish app, you have to be a jewish whatever it is you're splitting people up and even and segregating them. even further. this is really further. and if this is really what the problem this what the problem with this multicultural society is, there's no attempt at assimilation. sorry. there's no attempt at ass is ilation. sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it|tion. sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it ism. sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it racist sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it racist if sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it racist if i sorry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it racist if i iforry. there's no attempt at ass is it is it racist if i if i'ry. >> is it is it racist if i if i can just make a point very quickly, because i'm the person on the panel that actually experienced this when dating apps race filters and apps did have race filters and people openly racist people were being openly racist on see things on dating apps, you'd see things on dating apps, you'd see things on apps like blacks, on dating apps like no blacks, no similar to no asians, you know, similar to no asians, you know, similar to no no irish, no dogs in no blacks, no irish, no dogs in the in the in the mid and early 20th century my 20th century when my grandparents moved. 20th century when my gra well,5nts moved.

20th century when my gra well, can moved. 20th century when my gra well, can lioved. 20th century when my gra well, can i ask d. 20th century when my gra well, can i ask just on that >> well, can i ask just on that point, because this is really interesting point. interesting to my point. >> alex, let me finish. >> alex, please let me finish. so is why i say that the so that is why i say that the filters apps like were filters on apps like grindr were racist that what racist because that is what people were doing. now, when it comes to dating apps for comes to the dating apps for different or religions, different races or religions, actually i feel like more actually i feel like it's more about cultural familiarity . and about cultural familiarity. and ultimately these are private individuals making private companies to serve a particular market and a free market liberal economy. we shouldn't be stopping them from. well, i just want to make this sorry. >> is really important. >> this is really important. i just want to make this really clear because i'm also not against apps for specific against having apps for specific communities. is communities. what i'm against is if were to have a white only if you were to have a white only dating app, white christian dating app, white christian dating be calls dating app, they will be calls for down for for that to be shut down for white supremacy and as you said about these filters, i do think that's one the things that's right. one of the things about filters is that you about these filters is that you will exposed more of will now be exposed to more of these people. putting these racist people. putting that in their biography because they actually but they they actually don't, but they don't biography at don't go to their biography at all. i'm not saying that it should allowed. just should be allowed. i'm just saying you're those filters. you know, if you're open apps

know, if you're open to apps being person, it being specific to one person, it allows for someone just to have their preferences anyway. >> see face. and if >> you can see the face. and if you you are a racist or you you if you are a racist or you or it's a different you have or it's a different or you have a preference, it's going show a preference, it's going to show with who match with anyway. with who you match with anyway. >> want an income bracket >> i want an income bracket specific a specific dating app. as a socialist, i'm very happy to live off other people's money. >> soaked socialism, >> champagne soaked socialism, people away you. >>m >> never mind. >> never mind. >> money, lloyds >> speaking of money, lloyds bank come under fire for bank has come under fire for offering counselling to offering free counselling to staff are appalled by what staff who are appalled by what they heard at the conservative party conference. the bank has offered staff offered its 30,000 staff professor help via bupa if they have been triggered by the trans rhetoric in manchester last week. so at tory conference the prime minister addressed the topic in his keynote speech. he said a man is a man and a woman is a woman. that's just common sense. is a woman. that's just common sense . yes. so question for sense. yes. so the question for the panel tonight is should lloyds bank be offering counselling for staff triggered by tory trans rhetoric? these people at lloyds bank, they're triggered. they need counselling

, counselling, not counselling. >> gosh, everyone is triggered and needs counselling nowadays. but you know , there were some but you know, there were some people who are who were very offended by what rishi sunak said last week and other conservative cabinet ministers. >> you yourself criticised, >> well you yourself criticised, did the conservative did you not, at the conservative party conference? >> yes, said the language was >> yes, i said the language was careless because it was careless. people to careless. it allowed people to call transphobic i call him transphobic when i personally that he personally don't think that he is and he and he needs to is and he and he and he needs to be more careful with his language on these issues. but the question about whether or not counselling, not they need counselling, i don't think they need counselling the prime counselling because the prime minister a man is a man and minister says a man is a man and a woman is a woman. but ultimately, lloyds is ultimately, again, lloyds is a private if that's what private business if that's what they offer their they want to offer their their employees to them. employees and that's up to them. >> i isn't just crazy >> i mean, isn't itjust crazy when look at what's when you look at what's happening this week the world happening this week in the world and conflict, israel and and the conflict, israel and gaza you have people gaza and then you have people who triggered by who are genuinely triggered by something , a statement like that something, a statement like that from the prime minister i mean, seriously, do hope how out of seriously, i do hope how out of touch people have some kind of people have some. i have no idea what it feels like for these

people. >> there are trans people who are i've listened to many, many >> i've listened to many, many trans people talk about this and not everyone triggered as not everyone is as triggered as you think. people are. you seem to think. people are. not everyone feels like a victim all time, but i don't say all the time, but i don't say everyone, but some people when they prime of they see the prime minister of our transphobic, they see the prime minister of our is transphobic, they see the prime minister of our is he? transphobic, how is he? >> how is it trans phobic? >> how is it trans phobic? >> benjamin a man is a man and a woman is a woman. you're not change your biological sex, benjamin. you cannot sign typically change your biological sex grounded in sex that is a fact grounded in the universe in the way that you want. might it's not transphobic to state the facts. >> you might want to live like a neanderthal, but in reality, human beings, half the countries neanderthal, but in reality, hun neanderthalsrlf the countries neanderthal, but in reality, hun neanderthals speaking. ntries neanderthal, but in reality, hun neanderthals speaking. alex; are neanderthals speaking. alex human beings are more human beings are a bit more complicated than that. and it might make to we might not make sense to how we imagine people are. but the fact is, in the is, some people are born in the wrong and they exist and wrong body and they exist and when prime minister speaks like that, i think there are people who counselling. who need counselling. >> your because >> i take your point because it's cultural i cannot it's having a cultural i cannot take seriously because you take you seriously because you were week. were celebrating this week. >> mulvaney, i'm sorry >> dylan mulvaney, who i'm sorry is insult to women is insult is an insult to women celebrating that mulvaney celebrating that dylan mulvaney

was of the year. according was woman of the year. according to magazine . was woman of the year. according to magazine. i'm was woman of the year. according to magazine . i'm sorry. to attitude magazine. i'm sorry. i a woman that is a man who i am a woman that is a man who has been pretending to be a woman, in my view, and has been mocking women. >> celebrating >> but wasn't it celebrating women lgbt community and women in the lgbt community and trans are still woman. >> still not a woman. i'll be the darlene mulvaney is still not a woman in any way, shape or form ceremony. form award ceremony. >> moving on to the next >> well, moving on to the next one was triggered that one. one was triggered by that one. all would say on that point, all i would say on that point, though, neanderthals didn't though, is neanderthals didn't chop off of young chop the breasts off of young children. are now children. but there we are now finally, it's more on the war on the there's an the motorist. but there's an article telegraph that's article in the telegraph that's revealed lane saint revealed a bus lane in saint ives has written off dozens of cars in intended to cars in a trap intended to prevent under prevent vehicles driving under the we the pit in the road the bus. we the pit in the road is enough that small is wide enough that small vehicles fall into it, but small enough that larger diameter wheeled vehicles such as buses , wheeled vehicles such as buses, might actually pass. but some locals are now complaining that the traps are hazard, with up to five motorists getting stuck every week. so the main question of today are bus lane traps

unfair ? well, darren, i think unfair? well, darren, i think they are . i'm pleased you do, they are. i'm pleased you do, because i think i do, too. but i you know, in places like the north—east we all rely on buses. yeah. so maybe are these traps useful ? useful? >> i don't have a clue . >> i don't have a clue. >> i don't have a clue. >> i'm really struggling for this with the average person . this with the average person. >> benjamin . >> benjamin. >> benjamin. >> it's the most. what is a bus lane trap? someone tell me what it is. no idea. >> i don't know what this bus lane trap is because someone explained it to me. >> i just explained it. it's too big know i've lost it. sorry. big to know i've lost it. sorry. she doesn't know what it is. >> so someone at home. >> so someone at home. >> so. yes. so it's too big. it's wide enough. that small vehicles fall into it. but small enough that larger diameter wheeled vehicles. >> what do we mean? they fall into it? >> buses may pass. well essentially, there's a there's a hazard here, right? just motorists are getting caught up in and it's part of this in it. and it's part of this anti—car bus. >> it's such a load of nonsense, isn't it? it's such a load of

nonsense. >> it really needs to stop. we need to stop this nanny. >> absolutely. can we just calm down for a second? >> that sounds like a posh speed bump to me, essentially. and we're not against speed bumps. we there are we do understand that there are and lanes general. do and bus lanes in general. we do understand parts understand that there are parts of where we need to of the road where we need to travel slowly. so there are nanny state measures that are taken then taken well, i understand. then maybe don't know, you've maybe if you don't know, you've never been. are there are never been. there are there are there are parts of the roads where you've got to drive more slowly and parts the roads slowly and parts of the roads where and emergency where buses and emergency vehicles minicabs in. and vehicles and minicabs go in. and that requires state intervention. why are we so intervention. and why are we so against that? >> are some extreme >> there are some extreme libertarians exist who libertarians who exist and who actually think that there shouldn't be any traffic signage and lights and all this and that. actually, without them we'd all be better drivers. well, there's actually an interesting fact on that. >> they would they would actually lower some traffic incidents when you've got 50,000 signs you, you don't signs in front of you, you don't know what you're doing so know what you're doing next. so that a fact. it's that actually is a fact. it's proven if you have too many proven that if you have too many signs, it can cause more.

>> that's why that's why no country in world has done country in the world has done it. alex the ones it. then alex well, the ones that seemed to be going that have seemed to be going barmy putting barmy like are, one, putting holes for drivers to holes in the road for drivers to fall into. >> it's nuts, we should say, is that i have absolute solidarity with of saint ives with the people of saint ives who them bump off for who want them to bump off for someone's watching from saint ives they us some ives and they can give us some more how this is more detail of how this is playing out, because seem to playing out, because we seem to be bit confused by the be a little bit confused by the idea of this flummox. >> you flummoxed >> thomas, you have flummoxed and come tonight, don't and still to come tonight, don't miss your chance actually miss your chance to actually flummox five. flummox the five. >> taking your >> we're taking all of your questions unfiltered the end questions unfiltered at the end of but before get of the show. but before we get to please do send in your to that, please do send in your your i think there your questions. i think there are many coming are there are many coming through aren't there? through already, aren't there? darren absolutely. but but darren oh, absolutely. but but next, we're going to taking next, we're going to be taking a closer at that closer look at that controversial of married controversial episode of married at you're with us at first sight. you're with us saturday five live on

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saturday five. now if you've never seen love at first sight or is it married at first sight? it's a show which does what it says on the tin. you marry at first sight. bizarre i know. last month the series made history with its first ever trans bride , but it's been trans bride, but it's been heavily criticised for pairing trans ellen morgan with trans bride ellen morgan with nathaniel valentino , who had nathaniel valentino, who had previously told producers he wanted to be matched with a man. they also appeared to fake morgan coming out as transgender to her new husband after they got married . well, married at got married. well, married at first sight. uk star matt jameson, who was part of the first sex couple with dan first same sex couple with dan mcgee in 2021, has praised transgender contestant ellen morgan clark, but hit out at channel 4 bosses for setting her up in a lose lose situation . i'm up in a lose lose situation. i'm delighted to say matt joins us now. matt, thank you very much indeed for joining now. matt, thank you very much indeed forjoining me. so tell indeed for joining me. so tell me what happened on this show and where is this controversy come from? well >> well, it's well, as you said,

you marry at first sight. so you you marry at first sight. so you you see the person that you're going to marry at the altar and straight away you turn around and there they are walking towards you. and that's the first time that you actually see that person. so many people don't think that is don't actually think that is real. but believe me , it is. real. but believe me, it is. i was part of it. so it's one of the most unbelievable experiences to go through. and then all those emotions that come you at that point and come to you at that point and then you're the person come to you at that point and thenyou're the person come to you at that point and thenyou're marryingle person come to you at that point and thenyou're marrying anderson come to you at that point and thenyou're marrying and you're that you're marrying and you're going to be spending all that time with . so guess for ella to time with. so guess for ella to see nathaniel , she was over the see nathaniel, she was over the moon. she was so excited because she fancied him straight away and their relationship and then had their relationship has progressed throughout the show. can see kind of how show. you can see kind of how they're they're not matched in they're they're not matched in the right way. and that's where all the controversy, i think, is coming from . coming from. >> it was nathaniel a bit miffed that he'd been coupled up with a trans woman or or do you think he knew that that was coming? and then decided he didn't like

it? what what happened? >> well, from what he's been saying, because he's come out in the press and he's been given a lot of interviews and talking about the situation and what he said, he was approached by the producer and actually told that he was going to be matched with a with a trans bride. but his original preference was that he wanted to match with a man because he's pansexual . and so because he's pansexual. and so guess how that come about. and is it right that he's been kind of told who he's going to be marrying and is it right that he's kind of agreed to that or hasn't been pressed into it? it's a very difficult situation, andits it's a very difficult situation, and it's really interesting to see how the producers of the show have put that together. >> do you think he's just trying to create a a bit of to create a bit of a bit of a storm here, a bit of a media storm? so he keeps the attention on him. mean, if you go onto on him. i mean, if you go onto a show like this, you want you want some media attention. yeah, it's a bit of fun, perhaps it's a bit of fun, but perhaps it's a bit of fun, but perhaps it could be begin a career in

the media, a career in tv and things you think things like this. do you think it's trying to get some it's him just trying to get some attention ? attention now? >> who knows? who knows ? i think >> who knows? who knows? i think the really the really weird thing with the show is you don't know which way it's going to go because don't know how because you don't know how you're going be in the you're going to be edited in the show whether or not you're show and whether or not you're going across in going to come across in a positive way or a negative way. and guess what? nathaniel is seeing he's coming seeing is that he's coming across kind of bad guy in across as kind of the bad guy in it. is he now putting out of it. the is he now putting out of the because he's kind the show because he's kind of scared worried the scared or worried about the situation and the backlash that he's going to get. situation and the backlash that he's going to get . and i think he's going to get. and i think it's really difficult to know whether people are it for the whether people are in it for the right reasons, whether they are in because want to in it because they do want to meet they do want to meet somebody. they do want to get married and they are invested in the process. >> sorry to >> just matt, sorry to interrupt. did you go on it to find love or did you go on it to have bit fun? find love or did you go on it to havi bit fun? find love or did you go on it to havi went fun? find love or did you go on it to havi went on fun? find love or did you go on it to havi went on itn? find love or did you go on it to havi went on it to find love and >> i went on it to find love and that is, yeah, you did. i did. i did. and i. and i found love. i found love. and me and dan hit it off straight away. we stayed

together for two years after the show finished. unfortunately show finished. and unfortunately , we're not together now. it didn't work in the long term, but we had an amazing journey and we had so much fun and we did fall in love. it's just shame. >> two years isn't to be >> two years isn't bad, to be fair. well, well done with fair. matt well, well done with that. that's we got time that. but that's all we got time for. but thank you much for for. but thank you so much for your time. matt jameson there, who was on married first who was on married at first sight talking this sight talking about this controversy at channel 4 controversy at the channel 4 show. well we should say that in a statement addressing the allegations, channel said allegations, channel 4 said nathaniel process nathaniel entered this process voluntarily full and voluntarily with full and informed consent and was provided with more information than would ordinarily share than we would ordinarily share to him aware that his bride to make him aware that his bride was trans. hmm. now, alex, you've read quite a lot about this. do you think nathaniel is just, you know, causing trouble ? just, you know, causing trouble? >> well, i mean, if he's going onto the show and he knows in advance from the producers that he's going to marry a trans woman then wants to quit the woman and then wants to quit the show hasn't got what show because he hasn't got what he i it says it he wanted, i think it says it all, doesn't it? he's he's after all, doesn't it? he's he's after a bit attention and i'm a bit

a bit of attention and i'm a bit other than that, don't know other than that, i don't know what to tell you. that's what else to tell you. that's pretty me. pretty obvious to me. >> benjamin, would go on a >> benjamin, would you go on a show married at first show like married at first sight? >> usually avoid the >> well, i usually avoid the camera, i it's camera, emily. so i mean, it's my only chance of getting married. is if they've married. probably is if they've not seen me first. so maybe should. >> would you marry a trans person? >> um, well, i'm not against the idea. so you. transform idea. so are you. transform sick? well, hang on. you ignored what which is that sick? well, hang on. you ignored vidon't which is that sick? well, hang on. you ignored vidon't have which is that sick? well, hang on. you ignored vidon't have any. which is that sick? well, hang on. you ignored vidon't have any. ihich is that sick? well, hang on. you ignored vidon't have any. i wouldn't.t i don't have any. i wouldn't. it's not a fundamental. >> can't ask him that >> can't just ask him that because that's what nathaniel's been accused. >> people entitled to be >> people are entitled to be attracted whomever attracted to, to whomever they're attracted. >> what we're >> that's not what we're hearing, though. and it's your >> that's not what we're heariof, though. and it's your >> that's not what we're heariof activism and it's your >> that's not what we're heariof activism and i'actually kind of activism that's actually telling they are telling gay men that they are transforming not finding it. transforming for not finding it. >> said he was >> nathaniel said he was pansexual, which would he pansexual, which would mean he was, words, attracted was, in his words, attracted to people of their people regardless of their gender identity. >> so that would that would include attention, that would include. yes. i agree with alex. i think nathaniel is an i do think nathaniel is an attention also think attention seeker. i also think the that on is an the guests that we had on is an attention seeker. the guests that we had on is an att( i |tion seeker. the guests that we had on is an att(| think eeker. the guests that we had on is an att(| think everyone i think >> i think everyone i think everyone on that goes on to reality television is an attention seeker and call me

cold—hearted, but i feel i don't feel sorry for people that go on reality tv shows and then complain about they're edited. >> i mean, know the game. >> i mean, they know the game. they go in there, they get their 15 of fame. some of them 15 minutes of fame. some of them make money, some of them don't. that's business. complain. >> these shows are utter >> i think these shows are utter trash. i'm sure people at home watch. so i mean, it really is, isn't it? these people are like, yeah, i mean, know, yeah, because i mean, you know, emily, important and how emily, how important and how special is get engaged, right. >> and go through the process , >> and go through the process, you find quite stressful. i you find it quite stressful. i don't think it's a secret to say, but but that's not the engagement process of getting married. >> i mean , yeah, i'm not finding >> i mean, yeah, i'm not finding the, you know, the engagement distressful, the process of distressful, but the process of planning, it's itself it's an important and beautiful thing. >> do you not think we're desecrating marriage a little bit this show? desecrating marriage a little bit think this show? desecrating marriage a little bit think so..his show? desecrating marriage a little bit think so. iis show? desecrating marriage a little bit think so. i thinkw? desecrating marriage a little bit think so. i think that's >> i think so. i think that's fair to say. and i'm not some kind of puritan . kind of puritan. >> you sound a bit like it's entertainment tv. >> i don't mind dating shows, but marriage at first sight is a bit odd . no, no. you know, i'm

bit odd. no, no. you know, i'm not trying to be rude to matthew, who we had on, but matthew, who we just had on, but i is he worked a two year relationship. >> ukip is a pretty well out of it. >> a two year marriage is a very good it? good though. is it? >> no, better than no marriage. >> yeah, it's not a very good marriage, to be fair to you. bless him. bless him. you know, i his best. i do his best. >> does anyone apart from me watch married at first sight? >> it is actually a really >> no, it is actually a really entertaining television show. >> and trash tv sometimes >> and i like trash tv sometimes . emily, people . and sometimes, emily, people like watching tv, which like watching trash tv, which isn't moral or pure isn't particularly moral or pure or holy . and it's just it's just or holy. and it's just it's just fun being being snooty. >> i just think that it probably is a bit trashy. >> well, i am. >> well, i am. >> i think it's i think it's a outrage. and if you want to watch trash telly, you're in the right place here. >> so i'm still to come tonight. >> so i'm still to come tonight. >> don't miss your chance to flummox the five. we're, of course, taking your questions. they'll at the they'll be unfilled and at the end show. so get them in. end of the show. so get them in. and next, we're going to be talking the former bbc talking to the former bbc journalist michael he's journalist michael cole. he's spitting feathers about the

bbc's their editorial bbc's defence of their editorial stance and the decision over wembley's arch. you with the saturday five live on gb news as

news radio. >> welcome back. cheers for your company. now we've seen the bbc come under fire once again for their defence over their policy to not call hamas terrorists . to not call hamas terrorists. this morning, the entrance to broadcasting house was covered in red paint and ahead of a pro—palestinian organisation claiming responsibility for the vandalism . we've also seen the vandalism. we've also seen the faa under the spotlight as they chose not to light up the wembley arch in israel's flag's colours , for that was for the colours, for that was for the england and australia friendly last night. and despite the fact that they've made previously, of course tributes with ukraine's

flag and the lgbtq, whatever pride colours . flag and the lgbtq, whatever pride colours. but are we missing the bigger issue here? should we be debating whether the bbc or indeed the football association have handled this properly or should we be focusing on the very serious issue at hand ? is it right that issue at hand? is it right that the fa are staying out of it? this time around? i know i've got a view , but let's hear from got a view, but let's hear from the former bbc journalist and the former bbc journalist and the royal correspondent michael cole. michael, you are spitting feathers. you've got a article out in the is it in the express tomorrow? michael well, i certainly hope it's in the sunday express and you're absolutely right. >> let me just start off everybody, by saying how deplorable it was to see those attacks on broadcasting house. and i hope the perpetrators are apprehended and punished suitably . of course, suitably. of course, broadcasting house has suffered much worse during the blitz of 19 40th october. for exactly 83

years ago, a bomb came down, hit broadcasting house, and there was a bulletin being read at the time. and the newsreader, a man , time. and the newsreader, a man, bruce belfrage, carried on in the great way that you would do such a fraught situation. but let's talk about this decision . let's talk about this decision. a faux pas big mistake by the bbc. let's look at the facts here. hamas is a proscribed organisation . it is on the organisation. it is on the government's list of banned organisations because they are terrorist organised nations. why the bbc cannot grasp this cannot accept the fact and use the word terrorist . it is beyond me all terrorist. it is beyond me all they say in a very mealy mouthed state is that if somebody else says they're terrorists, they will report it, but they will not. personally, the corporation will not report it. now, who of

the people who've said they're terrorists does that includes president biden, prime minister sunak , that includes king sunak, that includes king charles iii and that absolute right because what is terrorism ? right because what is terrorism? it's the use of violence against innocent people to try and obtain a political end . and what obtain a political end. and what we saw a week ago, dreadful , we saw a week ago, dreadful, atrocious scenes , the southern atrocious scenes, the southern israel, which i know quite well, turned into a slaughter house. now, how anybody can look at those that evidence and say that thatis those that evidence and say that that is not terrorism is beyond me. that is flying in the face of the facts . yes. and i'm of the facts. yes. and i'm afraid it looks that makes the bbc look rather absurd with regard to the far , i deplore regard to the far, i deplore what they're doing. and i do speak from some experience. i was a lifelong football fan from the age of 12. i've been a fulham supporter, but i was a

fulham supporter, but i was a fulham director for fulham football club and in that capacity i sat in the premier league and i met a lot of people who were from the fa, including adding lord triesman, who of course has spoken out against the decision on not to light up the decision on not to light up the wembley arch , which is where the wembley arch, which is where i grew up in wembley , when the i grew up in wembley, when the old stadium was just two towers, it didn't have that big arch. they should have lit it up in the blue and white of israel. it's a pusillanimous , cowardly it's a pusillanimous, cowardly decision and both the bbc and the fa, i think, live to regret running away the truth because , running away the truth because, michael, just very briefly, there are a lot of people at home who are saying, why is it that when it comes to the jews being slaughtered that the fa and the bbc can't seem to get their act together and actually call a spade a spade ? well, it's call a spade a spade? well, it's a very good point you make. why can't they think these are the questions that must be addressed

that the culture minister has criticised the bbc decision. it really doesn't make sense. it is nonsense. i mean, what we see on the screen, you have to call it out . george onnell , whose statue out. george onnell, whose statue stands outside the bbc. he wrote about the ministry of truth, which put out propaganda and lies for big brother in 1984. and he he talked about newspeak. this new language, lying language where the common engush language where the common english language was turned into lies in order to fit in with a political agenda . but what we're political agenda. but what we're seeing now is the bbc bending over backwards and making itself look ridiculous like an ostrich with its head in the in the sand. and if you do that, somebody is going to kick your backside and they deserve a good kick in the backside for this deplorable decision. and i'm very surprised that tim davie, the director general , has put the director general, has put his name. yeah well, that's it. >> i couldn't agree more and i'm

sure many viewers agree with you as well, michael. but thank you very much for your contribution there. that's a form of bbc journalist and royal correspondent michael cole with a letter . i think it's a seething letter. i think it's article even in the sunday express tomorrow . i mean, emily, express tomorrow. i mean, emily, with what you said at the very start of the show, the very top of the show, have you been have you felt that actually the bbc have let jewish communities in britain down here? britain let down here? >> i think the bbc is >> so i think the bbc is absolutely 100% wrong. absolutely wrong. 100% wrong. i don't care that they're a global news service . i don't care about news service. i don't care about that one. jot you call a spade a spade. it's nothing to do with impartiality or jew passing or whatever they want to call it . whatever they want to call it. this is about being accurate . this is about being accurate. it's accurate reporting to call them terrorists. it is totally cowardly and just ridiculous. on the far though . interesting the far though. interesting because the problem is all these institutions, organisations, football clubs et cetera. et cetera. put flags up for everything. so when they don't, it becomes a problem. if they

didn't do it at all, then it wouldn't be needed to point out. so you know, benjamin, you're a big supporter of the bbc, but surely you recognise as well as michael has, that there's been a real failure here. >> i don't believe for a moment that the bbc is institutionally anti semitic or motivated by that kind of attitude, but they are wrong. you know, they're not freedom fighters. they're fascist fighters. are fascist fighters. they are terrorists in a way that we would not hesitate to recognise if they did that on the streets of or london. and of manchester or london. and i really don't know what the bbc is playing at the fa is playing at when the fa doesn't up its arch in doesn't light up its arch in blue and white for israel. i wonder whether that's because of a lot of money british a lot of money in british football premier league football and the premier league comes muslim world and comes from the muslim world and they're worried about offending their paymasters than their paymasters rather than the israeli people. >> is very point. and >> it is a very good point. and actually, know, i say that actually, you know, i say that as a newcastle united fan, which is owned the kingdom saudi is owned by the kingdom of saudi arabia and i worry about that actually. benjamin and i've been thinking about recent thinking about it over recent days, this a regional days, if this becomes a regional conflict, it does start to eat

into things like football, which let's forget is our national let's not forget is our national sport. is darren and i just sport. it is darren and i just want to talk about that, that regional conflict that might actually happen because i think lots people the media are lots of people in the media are having these debates about whether or the bbc should be whether or not the bbc should be using the word terrorist. >> they should be >> i do think they should be using word terrorist, the using the word terrorist, by the way. but that's an academic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin:hat's an academic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin ait's an academic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin a way.n academic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin a way. andidemic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin a way. and also ic using the word terrorist, by the way. blin a way. and also having debate in a way. and also having debates about the arch at wembley not being lit up in the israel colours , which i think it israel colours, which i think it should be, but not actually much discussion on what are the long term political decisions which are going to stop a larger conflict from happening or indeed stop this kind of thing from ever happening again? i don't hear that many people talking about it. i'd love to hear some experts. we don't have any talk about that. more >> we don't have any power. >> we don't have any power. >> and alex, just briefly, i mean, you been very mean, you have been very critical blm, for example. critical of blm, for example. well, wembley well, the wembley and the premier league, fa , they premier league, the fa, they were for all the black lives matter movement , and that was

matter movement, and that was for one man, atrociously murdered . let's not forget, in murdered. let's not forget, in america , but 1300 jews america, but 1300 jews slaughtered and we don't seem to give any taking. >> no lighting up. in fact, i think emily actually nailed this earlier on. it's the hypocrisy we don't like. you pick and choose the issues that you want to a stand on. and it's to take a stand on. and it's very funny all these very funny that all these football who are football players who are extremely and other extremely pro blm and other institutions that all have institutions like that all have some very, very quiet online. gary where you? gary lineker, where are you? >> just make a very >> yeah, can i just make a very quick fact check? >> at the football game yesterday, the friendly between england was england and australia, there was a silence before the a minute silence before the match were wearing match and they were wearing armbands, actually armbands, so they did actually do pay their do something to pay their respects perhaps it respects to israel. perhaps it wasn't it's wasn't enough, but it's important they did important to note they did actually do something. >> yeah, well, they both >> yeah, well, they said on both sides. don't sides. but i personally don't think any equivalence. think there's any equivalence. but got a statement from but i have got a statement from the bbc and they say across our reporting, we have explained that proscribed as a that hamas is a proscribed as a terrorist organisation by many western governments , including western governments, including the kingdom . we have the united kingdom. we have given careful consideration to

all aspects of our reporting , all aspects of our reporting, both in terms of hamas attacks and israel's response. this includes the language that we use . the bbc is editorially use. the bbc is editorially independent agent. our role is to explain precisely what is happening. so that the public can make their own judgements . can make their own judgements. it's our long standing position , it's our long standing position, including during previous conflicts between israel and hamas in gaza, has been that we do not use the term terrorist without attribution in line with the bbc's editor's burial guidelines, let us know what you think of that at home. get in touch and don't go anywhere, because up next, it's time for the flummox, the five. we're all answering your questions that you've been sending in. thank you've been sending in. thank you very much for doing so and continue to do so. you're with the saturday five live on

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five. now then, it is finally time for flummox the five. my favourite part. this is where you wonderful viewers set the agenda. thanks for sending in your questions for us. so i'm going to get the ball rolling with this one from who is it? frank frank says emily, last week you said you'd quite like to be prime minister. did i? i don't know who that who did? >> i remember last week? >> i remember last week? >> or what would be your five pledges to the nation ? brian oh, pledges to the nation? brian oh, goodness me. do i have to do five? okay. number one, let's tax for people called emily carver . carver. >> number 2—2 most promising. start number two, we only build ed good looking building because i think it's really unfair that we have to look at awful, ugly buildings all the time. >> i will say something a little bit controversial . i would bit controversial. i would reduce immigration. let's say actually tens of thousands . and actually tens of thousands. and number four, what would i do ? i number four, what would i do? i would try and make good on brexit. so actually take a good look at those regulations, see

what we can snip . and finally , i what we can snip. and finally, i would add, uh , free ice cream . would add, uh, free ice cream. >> free ice cream. >> free ice cream. >> i'm a bit hungry. i'm fancy a bit of ice cream. >> i mean, one policy then would you do if you were prime minister benjamin well, i would just build everywhere. >> i would build houses across the country because i'd quite like to live in one. >> alex flat rate, 20% income tax for everybody . tax for everybody. >> i'll be, you know, when you see three manholes in a row on the floor, i think it's bad luck if you go over them. >> so i would get rid of three manholes and there would be manholes and there would only be two you need two manholes. you need a therapist, not a manifesto. >> i'm very superstitious. >> i i'm very superstitious. >> i i'm very superstitious. >> i'd tax, a lefty >> i'd have a tax, a lefty commentator tax every time you speak. we should be taxed now. peter says , can you tell me what peter says, can you tell me what you would name a political party? represent in both the left and the right? and who would its leader ? well, would be its leader? well, actually, that's an interesting question , peter, because just question, peter, because i just you been talking

you know, i've been talking about zealand today, about new zealand today, and it was that was there, national party that one. and i'd quite like a national party, national party sounds a bit as in bnp does not national socialism just joking be together , make their own be together, make their own minds up, be together party. >> doesn't that sound nice ? >> doesn't that sound nice? >> doesn't that sound nice? >> oh. >> oh. >> oh. >> oh no. it sounds very gina miller, actually. >> oh, is that what hers is? >> oh, is that what hers is? >> no, it's true. >> no, it's true. >> fair, fair or something like i think together is better than that. >> reform freedom party. >> reform freedom party. >> freedom party for people who believe freedom from the left believe in freedom from the left and right. and the right. >> i mean, feel like the two >> i mean, i feel like the two parties so all the parties are so all over the place at the moment. i think you could argument to say could make an argument to say they're already called the labour and the conservative party. don't the party. well, i don't think the labour over the labour party is all over the place, you know, what we place, but you know, what we don't is reform uk. don't need is reform uk. >> it reheated uk because >> i call it reheated uk because it's load of right it's just a load of right wingers the last 30 years. wingers from the last 30 years. >> well, what? >> well, you know what? >> well, you know what? >> people do like reform. they're going higher and higher. our next question is from

christian elon musk paying christian with elon musk paying $44 twitter and its $44 billion for twitter and its net worth now being reported as 20 over a year 20 billion, barely over a year later, right consider later, is it right to consider his previous business success as mostly and that isn't mostly luck and that he isn't the business genius some people claim ? if you're if your claim? well, if you're if your stats are right, then that's not a great, great investment, is it ? >> look, this is press making up nonsense. like there's no one has done an evaluation of twitter in its current form, apart from some speculative journalists. of journalists. the value of twitter, and twitter, christian and christian, the value of christian, clearly the value of twitter going to only twitter is going to only increase exponentially . not only twitter is going to only incrthere exponentially . not only twitter is going to only incrthere moreentially . not only twitter is going to only incrthere more activer . not only twitter is going to only incrthere more active users. only twitter is going to only incrthere more active users than are there more active users than ever but they're really ever before, but they're really expanding platform. expanding their platform. and this journalists go to this is where journalists go to get their live information. let's forget that this is get their live information. let' ground rget that this is get their live information. let' ground zero that this is get their live information. let' ground zero of|t this is get their live information. let' ground zero of news. is get their live information. let' ground zero of news. i. get their live information. let' ground zero of news. i think the ground zero of news. i think there's way more than 44 billion worth value. worth of value. >> he paying you for marketing? >> no, surely not. >> no, surely not. >> he doesn't need it. they're saying hate has gone saying that hate speech has gone up twitter. had noticed up on twitter. and i had noticed that buttennorth had that benjamin buttennorth had been recently. so been tweeting more recently. so so must be it. finally so that must be it. finally finally, derek says, know you finally, derek says, i know you shouldn't late at night, but shouldn't eat late at night, but it's day. it's been a long day. >> and finally made home.

>> and i finally made it home. do order chinese or fish do i order curry chinese or fish and chips? famous five. please cast your votes now. >> curry oh i want fish and >> curry oh no, i want fish and chips. >> chips. yeah, right. >> fish and chips. yeah, right. >> fish and chips. yeah, right. >> i love fish chips, but >> i love fish and chips, but it's expensive these days. so it's so expensive these days. so i'd probably go with a it's not fri day. >> it's friday. >> it's not friday, i think. curry indian curry. >> i think good curry tonight would be multi—culture. >> tourism has failed. would be multi—culture. >> oh,'ism has failed. would be multi—culture. >> oh, multiculturalism is not food . food. >> that bombshell. thanks >> and on that bombshell. thanks very much our guests tonight, very much to our guests tonight, the alex armstrong. the brilliant alex armstrong. now next up, it's the equally brilliant mark dolan. cheers very much for watching . we'll very much for watching. we'll see you folks next week . huzzah see you folks next week. huzzah hello there. >> i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office hope you enjoyed your saturday. of us did a saturday. some of us did catch a few showers around . those are few showers around. those are slowly out throughout slowly dying out throughout this evening overnight, evening and overnight, particularly areas. particularly for inland areas. but persist but they will probably persist for coastal districts still for some coastal districts still quite wintry over the higher ground areas of scotland underneath the starry skies that we see developing overnight, we do see developing overnight, though, temperatures will be

dropping low dropping down quite rapidly. low single figures for many of our towns and cities, but rural areas will certainly drop below freezing. so quite a frosty, chilly us come chilly start for many of us come sunday but there will sunday morning. but there will also be a amount of also be a fair amount of sunshine to compensate for that. a lot of the will be a lot of the showers will be fewer and further between compared we have seen compared to what we have seen today. still fair amount today. so still a fair amount across northern a across northern scotland. a cloudier might see cloudier day here might see a few showers pushing through east anglia , but anglia coastlines as well, but with lighter winds for most of us, it should feel a little bit better compared to today. but temperatures still only around 10 to 13 c below par for where we should be. high pressure sticks its way on as we head into the start of the new working week. notice that working week. you'll notice that the squeeze the isobars just squeeze together more across the together a touch more across the southwest. we'll turn southwest. so we'll turn breezier on some breezier here on monday. some mist fog patches clearing mist and fog patches clearing their way off during the first part of day as well, but part of the day as well, but largely dry once again for most, the mainly across the the showers mainly across the far of scotland, perhaps far north of scotland, perhaps pushing southeast far north of scotland, perhaps pu well. southeast far north of scotland, perhaps pu well. touch southeast far north of scotland, perhaps pu well. touch more southeast far north of scotland, perhaps pu well. touch more cloudeast far north of scotland, perhaps pu well. touch more cloud around as well. touch more cloud around on monday compared to the weekend. sunshine a bit weekend. so the sunshine a bit

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difference between a man and a woman. britain's corporations are now institution early woke what utter bankers . plus the top what utter bankers. plus the top rabbi who's resigned from the fa over their israel stance on channel four's kim woodburn on the departure of holly willoughby. from this morning and extraordinary story of and the extraordinary story of the who suffers a the woman who suffers from a rare condition that turns her into a statue. we're live from . nine good evening . how are you? it's good evening. how are you? it's great to have your company. it is 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. thousands of pro—palestine supporters marched in central london today with reports of several arrests . reports of several arrests. we'll bring you the latest and we'll be asking whether those waving the flag of hamas terrorists should face criminal prosecution . in the big story, prosecution. in the big story, we'll be joined by the respected rabbi who's resigned from the fa

over their refusal to shine the colours of the israeli flag on the wembley arch . in my big the wembley arch. in my big opinion, emmanuel macron is stealing britain's millionaires with generous tax rates . with generous tax rates. britain's war on the wealthy has got to end. we need their money and it might take a ten. you won't believe this story. a lloyds bank boss has condemned the prime minister for pointing out there's a difference between a man and a woman. out there's a difference between a man and a woman . britain's a man and a woman. britain's corporations are now institutionally woke. what is utter bankers . flat out said utter bankers. flat out said that word right? two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. of course, we're going to bring you the latest from what's happening in israel and gaza. but it is saturday night , so we and gaza. but it is saturday night, so we thought we'd go for some other stories as well and some other stories as well and some entertainment along the way. lots to get through. way. so lots to get through. it's a busy two it's going to be a busy two hours. first, here's the news. and a friend of mine, aaron and a good friend of mine, aaron armstrong .