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the first time in a show of unity , and to prepare what he unity, and to prepare what he described as demolish hamas in gaza. it comes as the leader of the terrorist organisation has met with iran's foreign minister in qatar, where they agreed to continue cooperation . well, a continue cooperation. well, a spokesperson for the idf has told has told gb news it's continuing to let people in northern gaza move from their homes to safety . homes to safety. >> the worst case scenario scenario is actually that they would stay in where we plan to conduct our operations, so they should evacuate to the south, where there is places where people can get holed up and take cover for the time being. and indeed , when we finish and indeed, when we finish and complete our operations, we will announce they'll able to announce that they'll be able to come homes . come back to their homes. >> as for uk government flights carrying britons have left israel today with two more expected later. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah border crossing is opened. it's currently the only route out of the territory .

only route out of the territory. well, foreign secretary james cleverly told gb news the uk government are doing everything they can to get british nationals trapped in gaza. a safe passage out . safe passage out. >> but we have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the egyptian government, and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. now, that is the border crossing between southern gaza and egypt at the moment. thatis gaza and egypt at the moment. that is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. we will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open and that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult . difficult. >> the mother in law of scotland's first minister said her goodbyes in a phone call sparked by a false alarm last night. she she called humza yousaf and his wife after a neighbour told them they had to evacuate the residents. they were staying in in gaza because

it was due to be hit by a missile. first minister said heanng missile. first minister said hearing her believe she was going die was a horrific going to die was a horrific experience . however, the alert experience. however, the alert was a false alarm. he says he will back a potential uk government scheme to accept israeli israelis and palestinians seeking to flee the violence . a vigil for israelis violence. a vigil for israelis is taking place now in parliament square for all the lost lives, our political correspondent karen catherine force is at parliament square in central london for us now catherine, can you tell us more ? catherine, can you tell us more? >> yes . so this catherine, can you tell us more? >> yes. so this vigil just beginning in the last moment or so to remember the atrocities that were committed a week ago yesterday when 1200 israeli citizens were brutally murdered by hamas terrorists in in kibbutzes at music festivals . kibbutzes at music festivals. these horrific stories . and of

these horrific stories. and of course, to think of the plight of the 123 israeli hostages. now believed to be in gaza . i'll believed to be in gaza. i'll bnng believed to be in gaza. i'll bring you more in just a few moments . bring you more in just a few moments. thank bring you more in just a few moments . thank you, catherine. moments. thank you, catherine. >> the shadow foreign secretary says the rise in anti—semitism in the uk is abysmal and jewish children should feel safe to go to school. david lammy , whose to school. david lammy, whose constituency has a large jewish community, told gb news they should feel safe and be protected by law. he also said the advice from police is that jewish schools can open the rise in anti semitism is abysmal. >> we must stand up to this hate. the idea that there are schoolchildren not attending schoolchildren not attending school through fear, not wearing uniform, through fear. people taking off the star of . david taking off the star of. david hiding, pretending that they are not of jewish faith is entirely

unacceptable . table and i stand unacceptable. table and i stand in solidarity with jewish communities at this time who must have the full protection of the law . the law. >> the metropolitan police says it's urgently reviewing footage and other material posted online following the probe . palestinian following the probe. palestinian protest in central london yesterday. the force has released a picture of two women they're looking to identify fi who had images of paraguay raiders attached to the back of their jackets . the demonstration their jackets. the demonstration was mainly peaceful without major issues, but 15 people were arrested as pockets of disorder broke out later in the evening . broke out later in the evening. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's return to nana . thank you , elizabeth.

>> just coming up to six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm dana akua. but before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to headers. so joining is political joining me today is political commentator suzanne evans and also former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. here's what else is coming up today. i'll be bringing you the latest updates on the conflict in israel and gaza as the uk urges israel to show restraint in their looming gaza offensive. we'll go live to tel aviv in a few moments. time to gb news. reporter charlie peters, a post conference poll bounce looks like post conference poll bounce for keir starmer, but what about his reputation as starmer? the flip flopper continues to flip flop, especially on tax and monetary policy. so do you trust him on tax policy ? see yet more him on tax policy? see yet more criticism of the bbc as the broadcaster has been reported to ofcom over their refusal to label hamas as terrorists . it's label hamas as terrorists. it's time for a taste of tax and justice as well, or so says justice secretary alex chalk , justice secretary alex chalk, who is said to be banked. the

pnson who is said to be banked. the prison system by sending fewer non—violent criminals to prison and making them clean up graffiti instead . and how would graffiti instead. and how would you feel about a chat box about abouti you feel about a chat box about about i can't talk about chat box. i can't talk. how would you feel about an ai chat box as a teacher ? well, that could be the teacher? well, that could be the future . as uk prep schools have future. as uk prep schools have now appointed an ai robot as its principal head teacher. that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think everything me what you think on everything we're gb views we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com me at . we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com me at. gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so it is one week on from hamas's horrific attack in israel, which killed 1300 men, women and children. and sadly, conflict is still raging. an israeli military statement has revealed israel are gearing up for a comprehensive offensive across land and sea , but are yet across land and sea, but are yet to give any timings or specifics . the idf , their statement, . the idf, their statement, added that soldiers have a strong emphasis on a substantial ground operation. and this comes

as thousands of palestinian civilians in gaza have continued to flee to the southern half of the strip after israel's for order over a million residents to flee. of course , many of to flee. of course, many of those there have also been killed in the conflict. even hospitals have been told to evacuate, a move through the world health organisation . world health organisation. they've said it's tantamount to a sentence and hamas has a death sentence and hamas has told residents to stay put. told gaza residents to stay put. meanwhile the leader of hamas is believed to have met iran's foreign minister at a meeting in qatar, where they agreed to continue cooperation against what they call israel's occupation of palestinian territory . reaction to the territory. reaction to the planned escalation has come from all corners. we've had the un relief agency saying that gaza is being pushed into an abyss, calling the situation the worst they've ever seen. russia has also asked the un security council to vote on a draft resolution resolution for an immediate ceasefire with a vote expected tomorrow afternoon . so expected tomorrow afternoon. so our reporter charlie peters is live in tel aviv right now

charlie. well, i mean , things charlie. well, i mean, things are escalating. talk to me about what's happening at your end . what's happening at your end. >> so the israeli air force, it's leader, the general in the last hour saying that they are conducting manoeuvres in order to generate the easiest possible route in for the idf. they want to make the ground shaped for those comprehensive air, sea and land operations with a particular emphasis on the land. of course, as that significant convoy of armoured gathers on the south, over 100,000 troops there preparing and practising for what we expect is an imminent ground invasion. but at the same time, in the last hour there have been nine rockets fired over from southern lebanon, likely by the lebanese hezbollah, into northern israel, five of them were intercepted by the iron dome air defence system , but four snuck through and landed in open areas in northern israel , showing that that air israel, showing that that air defence system is not perfect. indeed, last night here in tel

aviv we saw it fail to intercept a missile that landed a few miles south of where you're looking at this location now . we looking at this location now. we heard air raid sirens over in tel aviv about a few hours ago , tel aviv about a few hours ago, but i think the iron dome was success on that occasion . but success on that occasion. but this rising threat from southern lebanon comes in the last hour as iran's foreign minister said that if the continued aggression on gaza continues and that the and that the israelis and the us continue their mission, then iran cannot remain a spectator . iran cannot remain a spectator. the biggest escalatory statements we've heard from the iranians since this conflict started. and it comes also as he confirmed that he met with hezbollah's leader in beirut in lebanon, where a meeting was had, and he confirmed that hezbollah said all options were on the table. of course, he didn't go into what details those options included, but it likely includes a heavier barrage of rockets and possibly also an attempt to push in from that southern border into

northern israel . northern israel. >> charlie. charlie, thank you very much. that's charlie peters. he's there live in tel aviv. the pictures that you're seeing there are those of the skyline gaza . well, we skyline in gaza. well, we returned closer to home now. community and religious leaders and organisations gathered and organisations have gathered in to host a vigil in london today to host a vigil in london today to host a vigil in remembrance 1200 in remembrance of the 1200 israelis lost their lives in israelis who lost their lives in the hamas terrorist attacks of the hamas terrorist attacks of the past week. now, the attack from hamas has resulted in the highest number of jews murdered in day since the in a single day since the holocaust. joining me now for the is gb news political the latest is gb news political correspondent forster correspondent katherine forster so, catherine, what can you tell me about what's what's happening where you are ? where you are? >> yes. so this vigil in parliament square began just in the last few minutes. there's going to be candles lit. there will be a moment of silence . will be a moment of silence. there will be speeches. it's a very sombre mood . it's very sombre mood. it's a beautiful day here in westminster. but of course, they are remembering the horrors visited upon israel just over a

week ago when 1200 in israeli people were slaughtered by hamas terrorists who came in with no warning to kibbutzes to villages . to music festivals . . to music festivals. remembering also those that have been taken and held hostage . and been taken and held hostage. and now a little bit earlier , i was now a little bit earlier, i was speaking to rabbi jeremy gordon, one of his congregation nation , one of his congregation nation, his mother, who's in her late 70s, is missing . she was in 70s, is missing. she was in a kibbutz. she's not been heard of subsequently. he fears that she is one of the hostages . let's is one of the hostages. let's have a look about what the rabbi had to say. i mean, it's even worse than that. >> i mean, she's missing since the awful atrocities last saturday and presumed taken hostage . so she's a resident of hostage. so she's a resident of kibbutz nir oz near the border with gaza in the land of israel , with gaza in the land of israel, which was completely overrun by terrorists. there was brutal reality. there was murder and

the entire kibbutz is destroyed. there are mutilated bodies. it's an awful scene. and from the kibbutz have been taken . people, kibbutz have been taken. people, human beings and nothing is known of them. there's been no word, no verification, nothing. they are presumed taken into gaza and presumed held by hamas. >> and it's an awful situation. and noam has two requests. >> the first is this to calls really on behalf of all humanity. >> one is an immediate release of all the hostages unconditionally and immediately, and particularly of the children, those under 18 and the seniors aged over 65. >> there can be no justification . it's deeply inhumane. >> it's immoral , and it will >> it's immoral, and it will also save lives. >> it will save lives, both of the hostages and of the people of gaza . and a fallback a backup of gaza. and a fallback a backup call, as it were, for the community. the international community, as well as these people in gaza is to let some humanitarian corridor be opened, to let some organised asian red cross medecins sans frontieres

into those places to verify and to assess the most basic human needs of the hostages . no one's needs of the hostages. no one's mother, other has medical needs herself, as do many other of the hostages, both the elderly and the young . the young. >> so the rabbi passing on requests for the release of the hostages , also for humanitarian hostages, also for humanitarian aid to be allowed into gaza. we know to the huge frustration of aid agents is that that is not happening yet. there is a huge humanitarian crisis unfolding . humanitarian crisis unfolding. and if we can pan around and look again at these posters of the israeli hostages believed to be in gaza , we've got everything be in gaza, we've got everything from little children, nine month old babies to two year olds, four year olds, elderly people. we know that there was an 85 year old grandmother was taken from her bed. little children, whole families who have simply

dis appeared into gaza. we don't know if they're alive . we don't know if they're alive. we don't know if they're alive. we don't know what the conditions are . know what the conditions are. you can only imagine. know what the conditions are. you can only imagine . so you can only imagine. so incredibly difficult for the jewish community here. they obviously have family only back in israel. they are at their wits end. also so a girl that i was to talking that helped to organise this , this she had organise this, this she had filmed a couple of girls the other day. it went viral on social media, tearing down these posters of the hostages and saying, what about the palestinians? she was telling me that her friends that are our universities in israel have been called up. they've got to leave their studies . they have to go their studies. they have to go to fight . and who knows to what to fight. and who knows to what will happen to them. >> catherine, thank you very much. that's katherine forster. she's there at an israeli vigil in london. thank you very much, catherine. well, this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. joining me now to suzanne

now going head to head, suzanne evans, commentator . evans, political commentator. and is and also peter edwards is a former editor for the labourlist. afternoon to labourlist. good afternoon to you . now i want talk to you both. now i want to talk to you both. now i want to talk to you what, suzanne, i'm you about what, suzanne, i'm going start with you since going to start with you since you time . i was nearly you were on time. i was nearly naughty of me. you were on time. i was nearly naughty of me . but suzanne, naughty of me. but suzanne, i want to start with you. what do you feel about what you're seeing before your eyes with regard to this conflict ? seeing before your eyes with regard to this conflict? i hope there aren't words to put it into into words, are there really? >> i mean, it's just also so horrific . i think for me what horrific. i think for me what the rabbi just said in that report , you know, there needs to report, you know, there needs to be a release of all the hostages. i don't think hamas is going to do that in a million years. that's not going to happen. aid happen. humanitarian aid obviously needs to be getting into gaza. and i can quite understand concerns the understand the concerns of the aid there . but is it aid agencies there. but is it safe that aid to go in? safe for that aid to go in? israel is about to start this attack air and sea. we attack by land, air and sea. we don't we don't know when it's not giving timings or not giving any timings or specifics, know it's not specifics, but we know it's not not happen in some time not going to happen in some time soon. the other thing soon. i think the other thing that me and this

that deeply concerns me and this so often happens in this type of conflict is that other arab nafions conflict is that other arab nations threaten . so we also nations threaten. so we also heard in the report there , we've heard in the report there, we've had threats from lebanon. we've had threats from lebanon. we've had threats from iran . but other had threats from iran. but other arab nations don't seem to be willing to take on the humanitarian aspect. so we've seen footage of egypt , but not seen footage of egypt, but not letting refugees out of gaza who are trying to escape the ordinary palestinian people that don't want to be part of this . don't want to be part of this. egypt's building a wall to keep them out. and think that is them out. and i think that is what i find the hardest. there is talk about muslim is this talk about the muslim brotherhood, when brotherhood, the ummah, but when it to this, when push it comes to this, when push comes it comes to shove, i'm afraid it all falls apart. and that response ability, i would say, on the arab community to take in the palestinian people who do not a part this conflict not want a part of this conflict and they're literally closing the basically they're the border and basically they're sitting israeli sitting ducks for israeli rockets. the whole thing. it's just absolutely horrific . horrific. >> peter edwards . >> peter edwards. >> peter edwards. >> well, it is horrifying, isn't it? and we're so used to kind of having party political debates on these types shows. but on these types of shows. but i think britain britain's kind

think britain, britain's kind of united of an anti—semitic united horror of an anti—semitic terrorist attack a week ago on israel and, you know, we think of the loved ones who are endunng of the loved ones who are enduring this agony of uncertain 80 now, for example, some are bereaved, others seen bereaved, but others seen their families they families kidnapped and they don't know the outcome. >> incredibly grim. >> so it's incredibly grim. >> so it's incredibly grim. >> also know as we speak, >> and we also know as we speak, palestinian civilians are dying as well. >> and i think there's a legitimate question to be asked about what iran is up to, what involvement it had in fuelling and kind of facilitating the attack that hamas were able to carry out. clearly there's a massive debate inside israel about the intelligence services and whether they could have done more. >> but we'll have to wait for the outcomes of that. but obviously the worry now is lives will be lost when israel goes into palestine, which looks inevitable and israel itself is coming under attack again , as coming under attack again, as you just covered in your news bulletin. so it looks like going on for a very long time. bulletin. so it looks like going on for a very long time . and, on for a very long time. and, you know, we're so used to kind

of giving answers on things like the nhs or tax where we say do this or do that. and i think it's a quagmire. and i think , it's a quagmire. and i think, you know, european governments are struggling to find an answer . it's incredibly . and it's incredibly sad. >> it i mean, just >> well, it i mean, just watching it, it does feel like a trap. it feels like that the israelis are being lured into gaza. and i'm very concerned about this whole the whole setup of it and the fact that now others , as you said, others are others, as you said, others are starting to get involved in iran and well, we can't and saying, well, we can't just sit by and watch being . sit by and watch gaza being. >> but as peter said, i think there are severe , deep questions there are severe, deep questions to be asked about what iran to be asked about what role iran played in, actually. >> they have said hamas >> i mean, they have said hamas has said iran helped has said that iran helped facilitate into facilitate their incursion into israel. so think that being it israel. so i think that being it feels like that's what i'm saying. >> it feels like draw >> it feels like a trap to draw the israeli army into gaza. and that to me because that is concerning to me because it just feels like this doesn't look like something that we resolved wish resolved in this way. and i wish i think solution for i could think of a solution for the conflict myself. i really do know. >> well, it's not been resolved in decades they're certainly

in decades and they're certainly not be a resolution not to going be a resolution here. mean, i've travelled here. i mean, i've travelled in in israel and in palestine, in in israel and in palestine, not in gaza, but in the west bank and most people don't want this conflict . so i personally this conflict. so i personally don't see a two state solution, but that's perhaps a question for another day. >> well well, listen , stay with >> well well, listen, stay with us be following us because we'll be following the israel. we'll us because we'll be following the going israel. we'll us because we'll be following the going live israel. we'll us because we'll be following the going live throughoutwe'll us because we'll be following the going live throughout thel be going live throughout the show. we're also going to see speak there speak to uri geller, who's there in aviv . we'll in tel aviv. and we'll be talking to charlie peters and getting this is gb news. getting updates this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital coming up, are the digital radio coming up, are the bbc fire again? this time bbc under fire again? this time because they're refusing to label hamas as a terrorist organisation. where do you stand with that? next keir starmer plans the rich could flip plans to tax the rich could flip flop sir keir starmer be coming after your money. do you trust him

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> good afternoon . 24 minutes >> good afternoon. 24 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now, just before we go any further, just take a look at these live pictures gaza. these live pictures of gaza. israeli, conflict. now israeli, hamas conflict. now listen, if you are listening on radio, i'll describe what we're seeing. this is the skyline in gaza and of course, in the background, in the distance, there's acrid black there's a lot of acrid black smoke. and it it looks very eerie. i mean, you can catch up on the gb news app and take a look at that. it's a free download. you can take that there and see us live on there or go and see us live on youtube take look these youtube and take a look at these pictures. are live pictures. but these are live pictures. but these are live pictures in and pictures right now in gaza. and that is the situation

that is that is the situation there. we'll keep up to date there. we'll keep you up to date with the conflict throughout the show very show. but it's been a very interesting week for sir keir starmer at the labour party conference in liverpool where he laid some of his plans on laid out some of his plans on housing nhs. the labour housing and the nhs. the labour leader his leader has also set out his policy tax for policy on cutting tax for working people and told gb news that he plans to generally lower taxes if elected. but seeing as sir keir has made a bit of a reputation for flip flopping on certain issues, today i'm asking do you trust his tax policy ? so do you trust his tax policy? so joining me in my head to head is political commentator suzanne evans. and former editor the evans. and former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards . labourlist, peter edwards. peter, start with peter, i'm going to start with you you said you've you because you said you've just you've from the you've hotfooted it from the labour this labour party conference this week talk me about the week. talk to me about the conference and what your views are. >> well, i had a brief visit there and he's always said he always saw his role in 2 or 3 stages. >> first of all, sorting out the labour party, which took a lot of dealing with of sorting out and dealing with a lot of problems, including anti—semitism . anti —semitism. >> and secondly, anti—semitism. >> and secondly, holding a mirror tories , which mirror up to the tories, which is done and i won't rehash all

the prime ministers and so on. is done and i won't rehash all thewe've ministers and so on. is done and i won't rehash all thewe've hadisters and so on. is done and i won't rehash all the we've hadisterrthen so on. is done and i won't rehash all the we've hadisterrthen finally is done and i won't rehash all the beginning isterrthen finally is done and i won't rehash all the beginning to errthen finally is done and i won't rehash all the beginning to set1en finally is done and i won't rehash all the beginning to set1en hislly it's beginning to set out his own policies, which is doing and i quite a sober i think it was quite a sober conference. and one of the things i took from it was things i took away from it was perhaps miliband , who perhaps unlike ed miliband, who i they didn't i liked a lot, they didn't promise this 101. >> they promised >> policies. they promised relatively little. there was a big push on trying to unblock housebuilding, which we know affects affordability. >> but i think it was a pragmatic and they weren't trying to promise the earth because the public finance is so bad and public confidence is very weak in. >> but they never promised that. >> but they never promised that. >> never promised >> i mean, they never promised anything really. that was the trouble it. he trouble that we had with it. he didn't talk didn't even talk about immigration, he could didn't even talk about immigandm, he could didn't even talk about immigand apparently he could didn't even talk about immigand apparently he has d didn't even talk about immigand apparently he has some have. and apparently he has some good . good policies. >> well, i mean, the last poll i looked at, i think, was yougov, morio ipsos labour had morio ipsos and labour had a narrow lead the on narrow lead over the tories on immigration asylum, which was interesting because again, over the often the last ten years that's often been weakness. come been a labour weakness. come election time , leadership, election time, leadership, immigration and welfare and the deficit have come up again and again. >> so i think we are in a better

position and really there was only probably two big policy messages . messages. >> was mark carney, the >> one was mark carney, the endorsement of the bank endorsement of the former bank of governor of rachel of england governor of rachel reeves, other was reeves, and the other one was the to kind of unblock the attempt to kind of unblock the attempt to kind of unblock the housing supply and put more pressure on developers through changing so on. >> on. >> so you've got the backing of mark carney. that's good for him in you think, suzanne? >> think labour very >> i think labour had a very good conference, just good conference, actually. just just you said just picking up on what you said about not mentioning immigration, starmer immigration, of course, starmer didn't inflation his didn't mention inflation in his speech either, which was which was issue omission. but was a major issue omission. but i think they had a good a good conference, but they're constantly flopping constantly flip flopping on on policy. i'm just going to run through a list of some of the flip flops that keir starmer has given us. you know, employment rights gone now, rights for gig workers gone now, huge to huge green subsidies to businesses. us businesses. a tax raid on us tech giants , wealth taxes, tech giants, wealth taxes, taxing earners more minimum taxing top earners more minimum 15 hour wage privatise, easing the energy companies . 15 hour wage privatise, easing the energy companies. ending outsourcing nhs. shall outsourcing in the nhs. shall i go on a second referendum on the eu? abolishing universal credit tuition fees, childcare expansion to child benefit cap? i mean it goes on and on. they

have had an endless list of flip flopping, but you wish you'd listed the prime minister's no. >> really. >> anything really. >> anything really. >> what do they stand for? what is the policy going to we're is the policy going to be? we're heading general election heading into a general election and moment we can't see a and at the moment we can't see a clear vision. i don't think from the and then of the labour party. and then of course you've got the hard line labour members , mostly the trade labour members, mostly the trade unions, furious about unions, who are furious about the they've flip the fact that they've flip flopped like taxing flopped on things like taxing the and getting rid of the rich and getting rid of wealth, taxes and all the working rights for gig workers that have been chucked out. they're furious. so we're going to back to the good old days to get back to the good old days of tension as well of a real tension as well between trade union the between the trade union and the labour . labour leadership. >> so then short, you >> so then in short, then do you trust starmer with the trust sir keir starmer with the tax then ? tax situation then? >> i absolutely don't, and particularly not i don't think , particularly not i don't think, because talking because he's talking about putting in the in putting so much power in the in under the in the pockets of the office for budget, responsible party because if you've got the office for budget responsibility doing policy, then it's a recipe for constant stagnation. >> well, they keep getting

things. they keep getting things tax and spend. >> will they getting >> but will they do keep getting things i mean, things wrong? so peter, i mean, you've the list. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, the list. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, i the list. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, i bet the list. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, i bet you the list. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, i bet you wished. and things wrong? so peter, i mean, ysaid, i bet you wished you'd i said, i bet you wished you'd listed all the prime ministers that come the tory that have come through the tory party. now, you had you had a chance, you could have it, chance, you could have done it, but in your then, do you but in your view then, do you really can trust but in your view then, do you rea keir can trust but in your view then, do you rea keir starmer? can trust but in your view then, do you rea keir starmer? i can trust but in your view then, do you rea keir starmer? i mean, �*ust but in your view then, do you rea keir starmer? i mean, ist but in your view then, do you rea keir starmer? i mean, i know sir keir starmer? i mean, i know you're labour you're obviously a labour supporter, we're supporter, but the problem we're having is, suzanne having is, as suzanne listed, all they're all these u—turns and they're not and literally not even in office and literally they keep going backwards. i don't think that's fair and i don't think that's fair and i don't think that's fair and i don't think it's accurate. >> run through >> and i won't run through them all. the big thing all. but but the big thing that's changed, public that's changed, the public finances fundamentally finances are in a fundamentally different covid. >> and that is just a fact. >> and that is just a fact. >> and that is just a fact. >> and take >> okay. and to take one specific example , if you look at specific example, if you look at labour policy on tuition fees, which is to retain them in some form that is popular , a majority form that is popular, a majority of voters, a poll i saw in the last ten days or so supported that. >> well, of course they would. who wouldn't support your education paid for by the education being paid for by the state? come on, that's state? i mean, come on, that's not a surprise. you said tuition fees. about fees. you're talking about the state yeah well, that's state is us. yeah well, that's what mean. but who wouldn't support? >> but people understand. just bear i was

bear with me that. no, i was talking. i talking. talking. i was talking. >> i was talking, so. >> no, no, i was talking, so. i'm saying i'm sorry. no i'm just saying that support and that who wouldn't support and i know state is us. thank you know the state is us. thank you very but who very much for that. but who wouldn't support it if said wouldn't support it if you said to well, your to me, oh, well, you know, your fees will be paid when you fees will be paid for when you go the liberal go to university. the liberal democrats remember go to university. the liberal demwwent remember go to university. the liberal demwwent back remember go to university. the liberal demwwent back on remember go to university. the liberal demwwent back on itlemember go to university. the liberal demwwent back on it as1ember go to university. the liberal demwwent back on it as well. zr go to university. the liberal demwwent back on it as well. so they went back on it as well. so my who wouldn't my point is that who wouldn't support surprise. >> think it is a surprise >> i think it is a surprise because all, he's moved because first of all, he's moved labour said he'd labour policy. corbyn said he'd aboush labour policy. corbyn said he'd abolish which is abolish tuition fees, which is unaffordable and it goes back to this there's this other point that there's only two people that can win the general election , two people general election, two people that will be prime minister rishi or keir starmer rishi sunak or keir starmer and keir starmer is trying put keir starmer is trying to put pragmatism and integrity and credibility back in the labour party. so it's being honest with the public on tuition fees. is an example of that. and apologies if i did cut off, apologies if i did cut you off, but i voters generally but i think voters generally care like that care that things like that universities getting more expensive . and that's why expensive. and that's why universities foreign universities rely on foreign student income so much because they more. voters they they pay more. but voters get that . we all have to pay for get that. we all have to pay for it. of levelling, it. so kind of levelling, levelling with the public in that i think is a good

that way i think is a good thing. >> but he's trying get richer >> but he's trying to get richer students >> but he's trying to get richer stude and >> but he's trying to get richer studeand he's also >> but he's trying to get richer stude and he's also trying to ones and he's also trying to cut, give, the private cut, give, make the private schools lot of them schools pay. that a lot of them aren't know, aren't really that, you know, they're that profitable. they're not that profitable. a lot lot of them. lot of them know a lot of them. >> and i think obviously, you're going have is going going to have if this is going to and i use to hit the poorest and i use poorest a loose sense because poorest in a loose sense because obviously poorest obviously it's not the poorest in you're sending their in society. you're sending their children in society. you're sending their chilpoorest of those people who the poorest of those people who do, ones the poorest of those people who do, very ones the poorest of those people who do, very hard. ones the poorest of those people who do, very hard. and ones the poorest of those people who do, very hard. and then ones the poorest of those people who do, very hard. and then you're as hit very hard. and then you're going to have a huge new influx of into the of children into the state education and i'm not education system. and i'm not sure to be to sure it's going to be able to cope. and peter, with the best will world, you know, you cope. and peter, with the best will about world, you know, you cope. and peter, with the best will about credibility, know, you cope. and peter, with the best will about credibility, honesty ou talk about credibility, honesty and city. know, and accountable city. you know, labour have flip flopped so much they've all their press they've deleted all their press releases september last releases before september last year from their website . that's year from their website. that's how dis honest they're being with the public about the way in which they flip flopped and you mentioned covid. i think it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that covid lockdowns were going cause enormous going to cause enormous problems. this is other problems. and this is the other issuei problems. and this is the other issue i have, not just with the conservatives. fair , all conservatives. to be fair, all the parties, they don't troubleshoot make troubleshoot policy. they make these announcements . they these policy announcements. they

say sound public say soundbites that sound public and wonderful, but they don't think the unforeseen think through the unforeseen consequences. and there are many, particularly on their housing . but again, i'm housing issue. but again, i'm going have stop house going to have to stop the house building is exactly an >> you've got 30s is exactly an example of troubleshooting because big because it wasn't a big financial promise. it was this promise to work on. i think it was section 105 by which house builders have a community and affordable infrastructure obugafion. affordable infrastructure obligation . yes. so it's obligation. yes. so it's a technical measure that can help unlock housing supply. so. exactly the type of troubleshooting you're troubleshooting that you're asking for. >> well, can i just sorry, can i just you can build just say that you can build as many like, but if many houses as you like, but if you the boats, then you don't stop the boats, then you'll never build enough, right? news. right? this is gb news. 32 minutes 3:00. we're live minutes after 3:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. texan radio. coming up, could a texan style system be set for style justice system be set for the ? justice alex the uk? justice secretary, alex chalk be set to revamp the chalk could be set to revamp the system by sending fewer non—violent criminals to prison and making them clean up graffiti instead. do you think that work? but let's that will work? but first, let's get news headlines that will work? but first, let's get elizabeth news headlines that will work? but first, let's get elizabeth .1ews headlines

with elizabeth. >> it's just after 330. i'm elizabeth callahan in the newsroom. the united nations are warning hospitals in gaza that they could run out of fuel and suppues they could run out of fuel and supplies within the next two days. hospitals have been ovennhelmed with the wounded as well as those seeking refuge . well as those seeking refuge. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, has convened his emergency council for the first time in a show of unity. and to prepare for what he has described as demolish hamas in gaza. it comes after after the leader of hamas met with iran's foreign minister in qatar, where they agreed to continue cooperation . on for uk cooperation. on for uk government flights carrying britain's have left israel today with two more expected later . with two more expected later. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah border crossing is opened. it's currently the only route out of the territory foreign secretary james cleverly told gb news. the

uk government are doing everything they can to get british nationals trapped in gaza. a safe passage out . gaza. a safe passage out. >> we have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the egyptian government, with the egyptian government and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. now thatis reopen the rafah crossing. now that is the border crossing between southern gaza and egypt at the moment. that is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. we will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open. and that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult. >> the metropolitan police says it's urgently viewing content posted online following the propane opinion protest in central london yesterday. the force has released a picture of two women they're looking to identify fi who had images of paraglide wires attached to the back of their jackets as the

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>> the people's channel. britain's news channel . just britain's news channel. just coming up to 39 minutes after 3:00. >> this is gb news. i'm nana akua. and welcome back. just before we go any further, i want you to take a look the live you to take a look at the live pictures of the israeli pictures of gaza and the israeli hamas this scene that hamas conflict. this scene that you can see here, if you're listening on radio, i'll describe what we're seeing here. we just about see the coast we can just about see the coast there. we've got lots of buildings there in the far distance up towards what i presume is the north of gaza. there are there's a plume of smoke that's sort of going upwards , obviously. and it seems upwards, obviously. and it seems things seem very quiet. if you were to look at that, you'd see quite an eerie scene. and obviously , i'm sure the people obviously, i'm sure the people there are extremely frightened

about what is to happen. i'm not sure whether we've had the israeli army going in yet, but we suspect that that will be imminent in the next few hours or so. so we'll keep you posted on what we have here and we'll keep these images coming so you can see we'll keep you updated with conflict . also, we have can see we'll keep you updated with petersict . also, we have can see we'll keep you updated with peters at. also, we have can see we'll keep you updated with peters at gb so, we have can see we'll keep you updated with peters at gb news, have charlie peters at gb news, reporter out in israel now. and we'll be going live to uri geller, who is, of course, that famous magician and illusionist who living in israel . who is there living in israel. now, what you're seeing now more pictures from gaza, this time away from the city which was densely populated with lots of high rise buildings. this time we're looking at a stretch of land and just just separate plumes of smoke at both ends of the picture , which, you know, the picture, which, you know, it's incredibly eerie. there is no sign of anyone moving around, even at this distance . i suspect even at this distance. i suspect we might be able to see people moving, but there doesn't seem to be much out there. so that's

that's what's happening in gaza very frightening situation for those there. and as we those who live there. and as we know many are trying to know that many are trying to escape via egypt through the border. we'll keep you updated again on all that we have here at gb news. so if you just joined us, welcome aboard. this is head to head and the bbc. on to the next topic reported to to the next topic of reported to ofcom have been reported to ofcom have been reported to ofcom their refusal call ofcom have been reported to ofc(hamas their refusal call ofcom have been reported to ofc(hamas grouprefusal call ofcom have been reported to ofc(hamas group afusal call ofcom have been reported to ofc(hamas group a terroristcall the hamas group a terrorist organisation. five lawyers, organisation. now five lawyers, an mp and an mp, have written to the regulator and accused the broadcaster of failing to show impartiality beyond doubt and urging ofcom to investigate the bbc and even now the broadcaster is embroiled in even more impartiality rules after its journalist appeared to be justifying the killing of israeli civilians by hamas. the bbc say it is urgently investigating claims of any anti—israel bias displayed by several of its journalists in the middle east as their office was vandalised by pro—palestinian protest groups. so i'm asking other bbc writers staying stuck in their ways , staying stuck in their ways, refusing to use the word

terrorist when describing hamas, and just to put this into context, they have refused to call the ira terrorists , and call the ira terrorists, and they have also done the same with isis as well, using things like other words to describe them. so my head to is them. so my head to head is still with me. joining me is political commentator suzanne evans, editor of the evans, also former editor of the labourlist, edwards. labourlist, peter edwards. suzanne, come suzanne, i'm going to come to you i think this is a >> yeah, i don't think this is a case here the bbc case to answer here for the bbc under the terrorism act, schedule two of the terrorism act, hamas is listed as a proscribed organisation , a proscribed organisation, a terrorist organisation . this is terrorist organisation. this is not something, therefore, in british law that should be up for debate or discussion. it is a simple fact and it should not be up for debate or discussion. the bbc is wrong by referring to them by such names as, for example, militants . i think what example, militants. i think what they're doing is showing a breach of their charter responsibilities to be impartial because they're using more sympathetic terms to describe what is absolutely a terrorist organisation without question, even if they weren't proscribed by the terrorism act. you look

at what they have done this week that by any stretch of the imagination is the most reprehensible terrorism that i can recall in my lifetime. well, even with isis, they called it a jihadist group, fighters. jihadist group, isis fighters. >> is militants. the >> isis is militants. the islamic state militant group ira, they called the new ira they called ira men. and hamas. they've called hamas militants. hamas gunmen and hamas fighters. peter are they right to be avoiding the word terrorist? >> the bbc are wrong . hamas, the >> the bbc are wrong. hamas, the terrorists, and they should call them . so and i think one point them. so and i think one point stuck in my mind, looking at several newspapers over the last week, big week, which is how a big bureaucracy the bbc tie bureaucracy like the bbc can tie itself because as by itself in knots because as by any moral definition and by any legal definition, hamas are terrorists. and, know, i've terrorists. and, you know, i've been a reporter in the past in the printed press, and there are thousands of good reporters working the but the if working at the bbc. but the if you like, the bureaucracy or the managerial class has brought you like, the bureaucracy or the mana to 'ial class has brought you like, the bureaucracy or the mana to thislass has brought you like, the bureaucracy or the mana to this position brought you like, the bureaucracy or the mana to this position where it you like, the bureaucracy or the mana to this position where they them to this position where they can't call hamas terrorists. and it inexplicable . hamas are terrorists. >> but do think that i mean,

>> but do you think that i mean, just to look on what they might be thinking is that they don't just to look on what they might be thtozing is that they don't just to look on what they might be thto stoke that they don't just to look on what they might be thto stoke any: they don't just to look on what they might be thto stoke any sorty don't just to look on what they might be thto stoke any sort oron't want to stoke any sort of aggression because, of course , aggression because, of course, there's people are there's people who are pro—palestinian , not necessarily pro—palestinian, not necessarily pro—palestinian, not necessarily pro pro—palestine , pro hamas, but pro—palestine, ian, and don't want to feel ian, and they don't want to feel like they're, you know , they like they're, you know, they don't want to feel that they're sort being biased towards sort of being biased towards anybody. an anybody. i mean, that's an argument personally, argument for them. i personally, my view that i've got to put my view is that i've got to put my view is that i've got to put my cards out on the table. i think they should be calling them they them terrorists because they are. defence, are. but in their defence, perhaps they're perhaps that's what they're thinking. a defence, perhaps that's what they're thinkiit's a defence, perhaps that's what they're thinkiit's right a defence, perhaps that's what they're thinkiit's right to a defence, perhaps that's what they're thinkiit's right to act| defence, perhaps that's what they're thinkiit's right to act withence, well, it's right to act with care and sensitivity. >> and sense is across >> and my sense is across the whole media, to be honest, everyone speaking with a everyone is speaking with a degree caution, which think degree of caution, which i think is a good thing because is actually a good thing because i are revolted at i think we, we are revolted at the of eight days ago the events of eight days ago when people were were murdered because they were jewish. and we're incredibly distressed by what's in palestine. what's going on in palestine. but the has has tied itself but the bbc has has tied itself in knots. and again , look at the in knots. and again, look at the printed press describing hamas as terrorists because our proscribed organisation in the uk. yeah that is enshrined in law. i used to be a bbc journalist, so i me something of a yes.

>> we both got something of an insight this and i think insight into this and i think the problem that it has the bbc's problem is that it has got totally over got absolutely, totally over obsessed with so—called balance as it wants always to see things from two sides of the story and sometimes there are not two sides story . i remember, sides to the story. i remember, for , back in the in the for example, back in the in the 80s when margaret thatcher, you might remember, decided that she was going to prevent the ira voices being broadcast on the bbc brought in laws stop bbc and brought in laws to stop that happening. i remember that happening. and i remember being by one of my editors being asked by one of my editors at the time, right, suzanne, i want you to and interview want you to go and interview the ira out what they ira and let's find out what they want. just said, no, i'm want. and i just said, no, i'm sorry. going do that. sorry. i'm not going to do that. they're terrorist they're a terrorist organisation. i'm not going to give but but it give them a profile. but but it was this idea that because the government thing, was this idea that because the gov had nent thing, was this idea that because the gov had to it thing, was this idea that because the gov had to speak thing, was this idea that because the gov had to speak the thing, was this idea that because the gov had to speak the opposite we had to speak to the opposite side. and i'm afraid it's fatally flawed . fatally flawed. >> but mean , i had the same >> but i mean, i had the same situation with black lives matter when said me, oh, matter when they said to me, oh, you're report promote you're going to report promote an lives an event that's black lives matter. because matter. and i said, no, because there left marxist there are far left marxist pressure they're an pressure groups. they're an organisation that are clearly have leanings and me have political leanings and me

promoting you know , promoting them and you know, promoting them and you know, promoting events is promoting one of their events is not really the place of the bbc to be at. but it does seem a bit odd that they won't do that, though don't understand though i don't quite understand what is. don't what the reasoning is. i don't feel legitimate feel that there's any legitimate i justify i think they've tried to justify it it's a matter it by saying that it's a matter of safety for their reporters on the . the ground. >> do understand that. >> and i do understand that. i think forget we're think we forget too often we're very critical of reporters, but we forget that many of journalists their lives in journalists put their lives in the day. i was the line day after day. i was actually at a funeral of a friend of mine this who'd actually at a funeral of a frien(a)f mine this who'd actually at a funeral of a frien(a very ne this who'd actually at a funeral of a frien(a very prestigious who'd actually at a funeral of a frien(a very prestigious reporter been a very prestigious reporter . he'd covered umpteen wars since sort of 1950s. he survived to an old age, thankfully, but journalism is a dangerous occupation. i do see that point. but i think in this case, as i say, it's pretty black and white. and i'm really glad that peter and i agree on this. >> well, robinson, is >> well, nick robinson, who is obviously the bbc's obviously one of the bbc's journalists, he put a tweet journalists, he put out a tweet saying watching this saying no one watching this is what justification for. what he was justification for. it said watching it was he said no one watching the bbc the reporting of my bbc colleagues have the reporting of my bbc collwdoubt; have the reporting of my bbc collwdoubt; the have the reporting of my bbc collwdoubt; the horror have the reporting of my bbc collwdoubt; the horror ofrve the reporting of my bbc collwdoubt; the horror of what any doubt of the horror of what has . i understand has happened. i understand entirely some want the word

entirely why some want the word terrorism used . it is it is, terrorism used. it is it is, though the long standing practise of the bbc, itv and sky to report others using that language rather than using it themselves. i don't believe that that he's actually included others in there to make it sound like the bbc and others like the bbc and the others do it. i'm sure i've it. but i'm pretty sure i've heard and reference them heard itv and sky reference them as going to have as terrorist. i'm going to have as terrorist. i'm going to have a listen see i can hear. a listen to see if i can hear. but don't think that that's but i don't think that that's i don't whether that's don't know whether that's true or not. >> terrorism in other contexts. or not. >> i 'errorism in other contexts. or not. >> i 'errori:this1 other contexts. or not. >> i “erroristhis is ther contexts. or not. >>i'errori:this is her contexts. or not. >>i'errori:this is i think1texts. so i think this is i think they're on a very wicket here. >> why they keep doing >> why do they keep doing this? it think there it is sad because i think there is place for a broadcaster who is a place for a broadcaster who is a place for a broadcaster who is completely impartial. but i also their also note that many of their so—called stars, gary so—called stars, like the gary lineker, was talking about, lineker, who was talking about, you when suella braverman you know, when suella braverman used invasion , when used the word invasion, when gary lineker said that it was language to that of germany language akin to that of germany in think in the 30s. well, i don't think you what we're seeing you can equate what we're seeing with that's such with the language that's such a far flung out comparison . and far flung out comparison. and it's absurd, actually, because what we're seeing in israel and what we're seeing in israel and what happened last saturday was something that you would have seen potentially in some way, like germany. that's a

comparison. but i like germany. that's a comparison. buti noticed like germany. that's a comparison. but i noticed a lot of stars from that have kept quiet on this as well. quiet on this one as well. >> mean, we're talking >> yeah, i mean, we're talking about very things, about a very different things, you braverman you know, suella braverman have much disagree with her is a democratically elected politician. we've got be politician. so we've got to be clear we're about. clear what we're talking about. and i thought of the and i thought that use of the word in was absolutely word invasion in was absolutely tasteless and i would not defend it at all. but i think, again, another example all where the bbc, i would defend, has bbc, which i would defend, has tied in over who can tied itself in over who can tweet a political opinion and who can't. and i, i think they drew the line saying news correspondents could not tweet their opinions , which is their opinions, which is understandable. those understandable. but those in so—called entertainment, which is, you know, and the is, you know, sport and the lighter gary lighter stuff, including gary lineker, should. but, you lineker, could should. but, you know, bottom line is, i know, the bottom line is, i don't think you refer to don't think you should refer to migrants as making up an invasion . invasion anyway. >> but my point of it >> well, but but my point of it isn't i'm not talking about that. is that actually that. my point is that actually referencing making referencing it, making a comparison to the comparison with it to the language to that of a language there, to that of a germany or germany in the 30s, which was germany is in itself inappropriate is ridiculous. that's point. overblown. that's my point. it's overblown. it's . it's whether it's ridiculous. it's whether you agree her

you whether you agree with her language or not is beside the point. the fact is it's completely ridiculous. and it's incredible bbc would incredible that the bbc would allow their presenters be allow their presenters to be doing that anyway, especially those highest profile those the highest profile ones like let's like gary lineker. but let's move on. keep your thoughts coming, gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at gb news. i'll see if i can some of your views on i can get some of your views on as and i will them as well. and i will read them throughout the show the show throughout the show as the show progresses. them coming. progresses. so keep them coming. but to next but let's move on to the next topic do we need topic now. do we feel do we need topic now. do we feel do we need to texan style to adopt a so—called texan style justice uk? justice system here in the uk? well, the justice well, alex chalk, the justice secretary, that secretary, seems to think that we actually do, and he's pledged to low level to send fewer low level offenders to send fewer low level offen(do; to send fewer low level offen(do community services like them do community services like cleaning parks and clearing graffiti off walls. but are we at risk of sending more criminals our criminals back into our communities ? so my head to head communities? so my head to head is still with me now. political commentator evans and commentator suzanne evans and former editor the labourlist, former editor of the labourlist, peter do peter edwards. peter, do you think idea making think it's a good idea making them do stuff like clean off graffiti ? graffiti? >> the difference >> and what is the difference between cleaning off graffiti, which i think we'd all support? i think in some some parts of justice system that's called restorative the

restorative justice. and the idea to send out idea we're going to send out more non—violent prisoners or sorry, non—violent criminals to pnson sorry, non—violent criminals to prison when the prisons are full, and to be totally clear, this is not at all about defending or mitigating crime . defending or mitigating crime. people are criminal. then they have prosecute did. but we people are criminal. then they have the prosecute did. but we people are criminal. then they have the prisons:ute did. but we people are criminal. then they have the prisons are did. but we people are criminal. then they have the prisons are full but we people are criminal. then they have the prisons are full and we know the prisons are full and for quote unquote lesser offences is especially for younger people . i think we have younger people. i think we have this worry in society that pnsons this worry in society that prisons can become an academy of crime. so you rather than being rehabilitated, for example , rehabilitated, for example, through literacy classes or improved your mental health, you come out with a criminal network. so it's questionable on the practise. so it's questionable on a theory and the practise. if the prisons are full, how are you going to do it? because if you're a politician, you get elected, say, going a say, we're going to build a pnson say, we're going to build a prison in constituency, prison in your constituency, that's well, that's really tough as well, because constituents because then constituents say we don't necessarily want a prison with 5 or 10,000 criminals. well, they're not get well, they're not going to get out, though, they? out, though, are they? >> they're big building >> so they're in a big building somewhere. would people somewhere. so why would people object i wouldn't, but object to that? i wouldn't, but they but i would

they do. but i would be all right. it's it's like right. it's not it's not like people something right. it's not it's not like people bibby something right. it's not it's not like people bibby stockholm thing right. it's not it's not like people bibby stockholm where like the bibby stockholm where people on and people ever can get on and off. not people are not that these people are prisoners, point that prisoners, but the point is that these these people can leave, get and roam around get on and off and roam around the in a prison. you're in the town. in a prison. you're in a yeah a prison? yeah >> to say, got quite >> i have to say, i've got quite a with alex a lot of sympathy with alex chalk, justice secretary, on chalk, the justice secretary, on this. i think right. this. i think it's right. i think think summed it think as i think peter summed it up beautifully, using that phrase in academy of crime. we've known some we've long known that some impressionable prisoners who have no reading or writing skills, mental health skills, severe mental health issues, can be become career criminals as a result of having a stretch in prison. and i think there's got to be that's got to change. on the other hand, i think he's also looking at making dangerous criminals stay behind bars for a lot longer. so i think that is also a good idea. keir starmer's plans to deliberately plan to make deliberately plan to make deliberate misgendering of people sentence worthy of a two year prison sentence is not going to help, though, is it? well, see, that's a one word with him about that would yeah that's aware that that's a bit i'm not aware that potentially that is not labour policy let you let me refer you

briefly to his time as director of public prosecutions. >> perhaps you shouldn't othennise else the something else when the conviction sexual conviction rate for sexual offences increased . offences increased. >> sorry, sorry . >> sorry, sorry. >> sorry, sorry. >> he's talking about keir starmer's brilliant record on the conviction for sexual the conviction rate for sexual offences whilst he was the head offences whilst he was the head of cps. of the cps. >> some quite serious failings. >> some quite serious failings. >> won't the >> yeah, we won't go into the serious failings, i wouldn't serious failings, but i wouldn't probably highlight if probably highlight that if i were don't think that's were you. i don't think that's a good well good example of how well he's done, fact that the done, but it is a fact that the conviction for sexual conviction rate for sexual offences yes, but , offences rose when. yes, but, but there also some major but there were also some major ones right. so ones that he missed, right. so it's up to 52 minutes it's coming up to 52 minutes after 3:00. you know what we're talking cottesmore talking about. cottesmore school boarding west boarding prep school in west sussex appointed ai chat sussex has appointed an ai chat bot as its principal head headteacher its headteacher to assess its headteacher, head teacher , headteacher, its head teacher, staff and students. but as the government warns of the potential ai and many potential dangers of ai and many pushed for the new technology to be be be regulated, should we be saying ai and keep out of our saying ai and keep it out of our schools ? what do you think ? i schools? what do you think? i don't mind it. i'm all right with a chat bot helping out the headmaster. do you think it's all right assessing stuff all right and assessing stuff to be a risk really old

>> a risk of some really old fashioned use computers fashioned no. kids use computers in that's really in schools, and that's a really good but i think the less good thing. but i think the less time that kids spend on computers or using smartphones and the more time they spend engaging with other or engaging with each other or teachers or the community as human beings better for. human beings are better for. >> suzanne. i think the parents at school spending at this school are spending £32,000 their £32,000 a year for their children to be taught by proper teachers. know what teachers. i'd like to know what they think, but i thought if you're have ai in the you're going to have ai in the classroom, they should you're going to have ai in the clasa'oom, they should you're going to have ai in the clasa feel, they should you're going to have ai in the clasa fee reduction, ey should you're going to have ai in the clasa fee reduction, don't)uld you're going to have ai in the clasa fee reduction, don't you get a fee reduction, don't you think? think think? seriously, i also think there here about there are issues here about privacy. collecting privacy. who's collecting this data that has to put into data that has to be put into these bots ? where's the these bots? where's the accountability? they make accountability? if they make a mistake and something goes horribly wrong are gdpr horribly wrong, are they gdpr compliant ? i horribly wrong, are they gdpr compliant? i also find it actually perhaps this is a trite point, but when they both absolutely beautiful absolutely gorgeous, beautiful human specimens , they don't look human specimens, they don't look like real people. i think we've got this kind of culture of everyone aspiring to too much beauty these days and i didn't like fact that were like the fact that they were pretty good looking, these these like the fact that they were pr(chat|ood looking, these these like the fact that they were pr(chat|ood lwell g, these these like the fact that they were pr(chat|ood lwell g, tt know, ese ai chat bots. well you know, they've worrying. they've they've been worrying. they've even chat bots. even talked about al chat bots. >> perfect

>> could be the perfect relationship oh my god. relationship partner. oh my god. they they're looking i >> yeah. i'm not quite sure how that work don't want that would work and i don't want to actually . to go there actually. >> mechanical things . >> mechanical arms and things. or an ai would you, would you like an ai girlfriend? would you be up to that . oh no. i think be up to that. oh no. i think we're talking about it. no, no. >> well said, peter, stick with real women or men. >> i'm sorry. i'm not making any assumptions because once your leader works out what one is, i think has admitted now what think it has admitted now what a woman thank god, hasn't he? woman is, thank god, hasn't he? >> he's admitted >> finally, he's admitted it. well, tuned to well, listen, stay tuned to this. loads more here to come on gb news my panellists are gb news as my panellists are with in the studio i'm with me in the studio today, i'm joined political joined now by political commentator suzanne evans and former labourlist, former editor of the labourlist, peter will continue with peter edwards will continue with so more programme so much more on the programme coming up . of course, we'll coming up. of course, we'll be speaking plus of speaking to uri geller plus of course be doing our course we'll be doing our special outside. and i've got an incredible mystery guest who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive)le mystery guest who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive in mystery guest who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive in the stery guest who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive in the studio uest who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive in the studio in;t who'll special outside. and i've got an inclive in the studio in awho'll be live in the studio in a matter of moments. this is gb news. and more to come in the

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israel, benjamin netanyahu, and the president, joe biden, the us president, joe biden, have agreed to renew water suppues have agreed to renew water supplies to parts of southern gaza. the united nations had warned that hospitals were filled with wounded victims and would run out of fuel and suppuesin would run out of fuel and supplies in the next two days. well, the israeli military says it allowing safe evacuations it is allowing safe evacuations for the people in northern gaza to get to the south. and benjamin netanyahu has convened his emergency council for the first time in a show of unity. he says to prepare prepare for what he described as is a demolishing of hamas in gaza. it comes after the leader of hamas met with iran's foreign minister in qatar, where they agreed to continue with their cooperation as well. a spokesperson for the israeli defence force told gb news it's continuing to let people into northern gaza move from their homes to safety . from their homes to safety. >> the worst case scenario is actually that they would stay in where we plan to conduct our operations. so they should

evacuate to the south, where there is places where people can get hold of and take cover for the time being. and indeed, when we finish and complete our operations, we announce operations, we will announce that to come that they will be able to come back homes as well. back to their homes as well. >> the meantime , we can tell >> in the meantime, we can tell you for government flights carrying britons have left israel today with two more expected later . the foreign expected later. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready to move in case the rafah border crossing is open . that's the crossing is open. that's the border in the south with israel. it's currently the only route out of gaza . the foreign out of gaza. the foreign secretary, james cleverly , has secretary, james cleverly, has told gb news the uk government is doing everything it can to get british nationals trapped in gaza. a safe passage out . gaza. a safe passage out. >> we have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the egyptian government, with the egyptian government, and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing . now, reopen the rafah crossing. now, thatis reopen the rafah crossing. now, that is the border crossing between southern gaza and egypt

at the moment. that is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. we will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened , although at crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open. and that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult . difficult. >> now, the mother in law of scotland's first minister called to say her goodbyes in a phone call sparked by a false alarm last night in gaza . she called last night in gaza. she called her son in law , humza yousaf and her son in law, humza yousaf and his wife after a neighbour had told them they had to evacuate their building because it was due to be hit by a missile. the first minister said hearing her believe she was going to die was a horrific experience. however the alert was in the end proved to be a false alarm and humza yousaf safe is saying he will now back a potential uk government scheme to accept israelis and palestinians seeking to flee the violence . seeking to flee the violence. well, let's bring you up to date

with events here in the uk and indeed the reaction to the israel—hamas conflict in london. hundreds of people have been gathering at a vigil in central london to commemorate the israeli victims of the hamas incursion into their country . incursion into their country. many were draped in israeli flags and posters saying bring them home with names and faces . them home with names and faces. faces of hostages captured by hamas being handed out to attendees. a police presence could be seen patrolling the event , which happened in event, which happened in westminster . for the shadow westminster. for the shadow foreign secretary has been saying the rise in anti—semitism in the uk is abysmal and jewish children should feel safe going to school. david lammy , whose to school. david lammy, whose constituency has a large jewish community, told gb news children should feel safe and be protected by the law. he also said the advice from police is that jewish schools could open . that jewish schools could open. >> the rise in antisemitism is

abysmal. we must stand up to this hate. the idea that there are schoolchildren not attending school through fear , not wearing school through fear, not wearing uniform, through fear, people taking off the star of . david taking off the star of. david hiding, pretending that they are not of jewish faith is entirely unacceptable . and i stand in unacceptable. and i stand in solidarity with jewish communities at this time who must have the full protection of the law . the law. >> and lastly, the metropolitan police says it's urgently viewing content posted online following the pro—palestinian protest in central london yesterday . the force has yesterday. the force has released a picture of two women they're looking to identify who had images of paragliders attached to the backs of their jackets. the demonstration was mainly peaceful without major issues , but 15 people were issues, but 15 people were arrested as pockets of disorder broke out late into the evening .

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give any timings or specifics . give any timings or specifics. now the idf's statement added that soldiers have a strong emphasis on a substantial ground operation . our reporter charlie operation. our reporter charlie peters is live in tel aviv. charlie thank you very much for joining us. what more can you tell us? can you give us an update at. >> sure. well, in the last few hours, we've heard that israel has partly ended its blockade on the gaza strip since this conflict started, it has cut off access to electricity , water, access to electricity, water, food and also some other supplies, such as humanity and humanitarian aid, into gaza. since those atrocities were committed on saturday, it has reopened water supplies in southern israel. its energy minister said, who also confirmed that benjamin netanyahu made the decision in support and in cooperation with us president joe biden. i think really demonstrating that international diplomacy in particular from washington is having an effect on adjusting

the israeli strategy on how they respond to those threats from hamas in the gaza strip. respond to those threats from hamas in the gaza strip . it's hamas in the gaza strip. it's important to note that this water supply is only reopening in southern gaza. and that is where the idf wants 1.1 million citizens in the north of gaza to head down to south of the wadi gaza, a river that comes across half way through the territory . half way through the territory. they need them there because they are intending to conduct more shaping operations on the ground from sea and in the air to prepare for that likely ground invasion . so they need ground invasion. so they need them to move south because so long as there are civilians in the north who are in a untenable humanitaire situation which the un said has the spectre of death looming over it, so long as they are there, the idf cannot conduct stronger and more severe airstrikes on hamas military targets, many of which are subterranean. they have those tunnelling shelters under the ground . 500km of them across the ground. 500km of them across the strip where they can hide from rockets. but also prepare new attacks and prepare to launch

obstacles onto any incoming idf attacks . that's the situation in attacks. that's the situation in the south. but in the last half houn the south. but in the last half hour, we've also heard of escalating developments in northern israel, where reports from the idf have claimed that they have launched helicopter gunships into southern lebanon to target military locations . is to target military locations. is that what they said? military infrastructure in southern lebanon that is almost certainly targeting lebanese hezbollah. that's severe military fighting force in the south of lebanon . force in the south of lebanon. it is the most lethal non—state, hostile actor in the world. and it has been conducting skirmish attacks on israel for the last week. that is an escalating situation there. there's also reports of gunfire on the border between idf soldiers and local militiamen , likely terrorists militiamen, likely terrorists from lebanese hezbollah. so that situation now extenuating extending into quite a troubling situation where israel could be fighting this conflict now properly on two fronts, a serious engagement in the south and an almost certainly growing

into a proper all out confronte action in the north. >> johnny, thank you very much for that update. we'll speak to you later on, perhaps in the next hour. thank you so much. that's charlie peters is there live now closer to live in tel aviv now closer to home now, community and religious leaders and organisations gathered organisations have gathered in london to host a vigil in london today to host a vigil in remembrance of the 1200 israelis london today to host a vigil in rem(lost�*ance of the 1200 israelis london today to host a vigil in rem(lost theirof the 1200 israelis london today to host a vigil in rem(lost their lives> 1200 israelis london today to host a vigil in rem(lost their lives in200 israelis london today to host a vigil in rem(lost their lives in the israelis who lost their lives in the hamas terrorist attacks over the past week. now the attack from hamas has resulted in the highest of jews murdered highest number of jews murdered in day since the in a single day since the holocaust . so in a single day since the holocaust. so joining in a single day since the holocaust . so joining for holocaust. so joining me now for the is gb news political the latest is gb news political correspondent forster correspondent katherine forster catherine, so there at catherine, so you're there at this vigil. can you can you give us an update ? yeah us an update? yeah >> so the vigil began at about 3:00 this afternoon. we had a moment of silence. we've had prayers. we've had songs . it's prayers. we've had songs. it's been really very moving . moving been really very moving. moving indeed. and i spoke just a little bit earlier to a. farage never been who they managed to

flee . they managed to get to flee. they managed to get to britain . they are now britain. they are now effectively refugees. they're understandably completely traumatised. let's hear a little bit of their story . bit of their story. >> yes . it's around bit of their story. >> yes. it's around 6:15 in the morning. my son woke me up. go to the shelter. there are bombs. there are bombing us. we went into the . shelter we closed into the. shelter we closed ourselves with our dog inside , ourselves with our dog inside, frightening . we are used to it. frightening. we are used to it. but suddenly we heard that terrorists entered israel . our terrorists entered israel. our area . we closed the door of area. we closed the door of course, of the shelter. there wasn't any way to really close the place from inside. so of

course we try to find a way to be safe inside. and the terrorists will not be able to go into the shelter were we were horrified and we were all shaking . my dog was shaking as shaking. my dog was shaking as well. we've been inside for around . 6 or 7 hours. i don't around. 6 or 7 hours. i don't remember . i around. 6 or 7 hours. i don't remember. i decided around. 6 or 7 hours. i don't remember . i decided we can't remember. i decided we can't stay any longer in this place . stay any longer in this place. it's the military . stay any longer in this place. it's the military. he stay any longer in this place. it's the military . he gave us it's the military. he gave us a window of escape at around 2:00 afternoon. we arranged a really few things . we went with the few things. we went with the army through the fields in the background of the kibbutz . and

background of the kibbutz. and we escaped for a few hours to the centre of israel and then we got a flight to rhodes. one way, of course , we stayed 12 hours in of course, we stayed 12 hours in rhodes until we find a flight to come to be with my brother in london. and we were exhausted . london. and we were exhausted. we were exhausted. we were heartbreak , obviously. heartbreak, obviously. >> we don't know when we're going to be able to go back home. i held the door with my bare hands and 1—1 hand i had a knife to prevent terrorists from going in to try and do whatever i can. and with all of our luck, we didn't have any terrorist and our house and it was just hard to witness people dying and heanng to witness people dying and hearing about some madness, things that going on to see what

happens to my country . happens to my country. >> so an understandable plea traumatised family. the father was here too. he felt not up to speaking on camera. the mother segal told me that 30 of her friends had been killed and yet she hasn't cried. i suppose they're still in shock. and of course they consider themselves to be some of the lucky ones really, because of course we know that 1200 israelis were murdered on that saturday and there's another 120. we take hostage believed to be in gaza, ranging from nine month old babies to little four year old red—headed boys to old ladies and whole families . and and whole families. and interestingly, talking talking to this family, they they were saying they bear no ill will to

the people of gaza. they said to me that in their view , hamas has me that in their view, hamas has kidnapped the people of gaza. they know that the people of gaza do not want this, just as israeli people do not want death, do not want conflict . but death, do not want conflict. but they do say that hamas , that they do say that hamas, that terrorist group, does need to be removed from gaza catherine, thank you very much for your very moving report. >> that's katherine forster. she's there at the israeli vigil in london. you . well, in london. thank you. well, i mean, of us hear about the mean, a lot of us hear about the conflict, but a us don't conflict, but a lot of us don't fully so fully understand it. so i thought it would be instead of doing a monologue, i thought, why that could why do that when i could actually documentary actually get a documentary filmmaker to give you bit of filmmaker to give you a bit of background can understand background so you can understand how has started and how the conflict has started and what about. so joining what it's all about. so joining me called roger me is gentleman called roger walters. roger has has walters. now, roger has been has a interest in the history a keen interest in the history and complexity is going and complexity of what is going on israel. he's on currently in israel. he's here now. roger, thank here with me now. roger, thank you joining me. you so much forjoining me. okay. so thank because

okay. so thank you. because a lot of people are listening to this and seeing this conflict and not really understanding what it's about. so can you explain history palestine explain the history of palestine and people , how and the palestinian people, how this be, this sort of this comes to be, this sort of divided territory ? divided territory? >> i can indeed , as quickly as i >> i can indeed, as quickly as i can, there is a major distinction between the land of palestine and the people of palestine. the land of palestine was created just after the birth of christ by the romans, who forced the jews out of their land and changed the name to palestine originally. before that it was called syria or part of syria, southern syria and so the jews were dispersed all across north africa and europe , across north africa and europe, as we know. and that land was always called palestine, right up until well, even till the present day , the people of present day, the people of palestine , on the other hand, palestine, on the other hand, were created by the russians in 1964. oh, wow. yes a lot of

people know that. so. so the russians were upset about the relationship between the us and israel, and they felt they didn't have a good place or anybody to help them in the middle east. so they got hold of yasser arafat and they got him to create you know, they created the people of palestine and who didn't exist before 1964. they weren't recognised at the un. they'd never been talked about. >> and that land would that land would have been was that israel or where was palestine initially, then where the palestine was the whole of what is today israel plus what is the west bank of the river jordan. >> and it went right across into jordan. what is jordan today? so it was quite a large a much bigger area than what israel is today . today. >> and the gaza strip was all part of that as well. >> gaza strip was was >> the gaza strip was was was was part of was originally part of and in the 1967 war, of egypt and in the 1967 war, the israelis conquered only the west bank. but but gaza and they

gave it back. i mean, in a peace treaty with egypt, they they weren't sorry. they gave back the sinai peninsula. what they'd conquered . but egypt didn't want conquered. but egypt didn't want back gaza . they just didn't want back gaza. they just didn't want it. so they tried to get it. so in 2005, israel gave it back to the palestinian authority or the plo as it was in those days. and i think we know what happens subsequently with with hamas taking over . so the people of taking over. so the people of palestine line, which is now, you know, there's , you know, you know, there's, you know, 4 million approximately in the west bank and gaza. but but we also have to understand that jordan is essentially palestinian, 80% of the population of jordan is palestine. so when the two state solution was was put up in in in the 1920s, they decided to give israel all what is today israel and the west bank. and then the british gave jordan to the king

hassan , who came from saudi hassan, who came from saudi arabia . and so they so really, arabia. and so they so really, in a way, israel has already been there already is a two state solution in and now we need another one. so that the palestinian arabs can have their own state and look after themselves. unfortunate really, thatis themselves. unfortunate really, that is the problem. they've had plenty of opportunities to look after themselves. and for some reason have turned it down. >> so the israelis, gaza strip , >> so the israelis, gaza strip, the gaza has been given back anyway by the israelis anyway. so it is palestine. so that is palestine. that's not part of israel at all. no, it is part of part of charge. and they're in charge. hamas have taken charge of it. and that was around about 2004. >> you said that two thousand and seven, they won 2006 or 7. they actually was an election which they won. and there's not been another election since. >> so there's a map on screen for those who have the have tv and can see. but there's a

little blue strip at the bottom there. and that's gaza. and then a further up with the bank a further up with the west bank is there with a red label. so those the those elements those are the and those elements . are palestine , yes. but . those are palestine, yes. but also there are settlements within there and that's israeli people. that's the people of that's the people of palestine live. >> so the argument or what i went to do, my documentary about was do the settlers have any rights to be there? >> and the settlers are israeli settlers , the settlers are settlers, the settlers are israelis, they're israelis, and they're within palestine. west palestine. so within the west bank within gaza. bank and within gaza. >> that's correct, yeah, that's correct. in correct. because basically in 1967, in israel was 1967, when in israel was pre—empted, an attack by by its enemies , jordan and iraq and enemies, jordan and iraq and egypt, they they conquered that land. and there was a huge debate in israel whether to give it back at that stage or whether not to give it back. and i think there have been many attempts to give it back. but there has to be you can't give it be peace. you can't give it back. keep shooting, back. and they keep shooting, shooting rockets. back. and they keep shooting, shoandj rockets. back. and they keep shooting, shoand it's rockets. back. and they keep shooting, shoand it's mostly rockets. back. and they keep shooting, shoand it's mostly thatets. >> and it's mostly that throughout the years . so since throughout the years. so since 2014, there's been quite a heavy conflict mostly

conflict. and is it mostly rockets coming from gaza into israel, which is why they created this iron dome to protect themselves? yes. and the israelis haven't really retaliated that is retaliated as such. is that is that kind of. >> no, there was was >> no, there was there was a retaliation 2014, but but retaliation in 2014, but but generally, they've been very restrained . i mean, a lot of restrained. i mean, a lot of people said they should have gonein people said they should have gone in many years ago because it was quite clear that that the hamas were a bad, bad bunch . hamas were a bad, bad bunch. >> well, listen, there's so much to talk i know you've got to talk about. i know you've got a documentary on youtube, but the can actually the people can actually watch. it's one it's a generic. it's not one sided just giving sided at all. it's just giving a historical context. if people want have a look at want to go and have a look at that, that way, want to go and have a look at that, would that way, want to go and have a look at that, would tifindiay, want to go and have a look at that, would tifind that? where would they find that? >> on youtube. just >> just find it on youtube. just settling yeah, settling the facts. yeah, that's what hopefully what it's called. and hopefully i the unbiased i do actually put the unbiased facts in front of every but from a legal perspective as well. you know , the rights to the know, the rights to the settlements. >> yeah, just to give people a perspective. i mean, watched perspective. i mean, i watched it. was quite it. i thought it was quite good. rogen it. i thought it was quite good. roger, you so much. it's roger, thank you so much. it's really to you. really good to talk to you. that, course, roger. that, of course, is roger. he's telling about his telling you all about his his wonderful that's on wonderful documentary that's on youtube. it is generic. it's

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>> if you just joining me, it's coming up to 27 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now i've got some live pictures to show you because we've got a we've got a set up there and this is what you're seeing. there is, of course, gaza. there's obviously the conflict going on right, right now in israel and of course, in gaza. and we're just keeping you updated with all the things that are going on. charlie peters gb news political reporter, is live there. and we'll be catching up with him later on. also coming up, we'll be speaking to uri geller, who live in tel aviv , geller, who is live in tel aviv, and he'll give you an update as to what it's like for the locals currently dealing with this situation. can situation. but what what we can see actually we're see here is that actually we're looking from gaza out to the looking out from gaza out to the sea, and it's densely populated there. it seems very quiet at there. it seems very quiet at the moment . there are no, from the moment. there are no, from what no missiles or what i can see, no missiles or anything like that. i'm presuming must be near presuming that we must be near the part gaza, is the south part of gaza, which is where have to told where people have been to told go because there is going to

go to because there is going to be an offensive very soon. we don't the idf don't know when by the idf shortly. so. right now, we do have some breaking news reaching us now from the united states secretary of state antony blinken been speaking blinken has just been speaking at cairo airport the israeli at cairo airport on the israeli hamas conflict. a hamas conflict. let's take a listen . listen. >> good evening, everyone . >> good evening, everyone. >> good evening, everyone. >> we are here at what is an extremely difficult and very tenuous time for the region in the wake of the slaughter perpetrated by hamas . perpetrated by hamas. >> we came here with four key objectives to make clear that the united states stands with israel to prevent the conflict from spreading to other places , from spreading to other places, to work on securing the release of hostages, including american citizens, and to address the humanitarian crisis that exists in gaza . we started , as you

in gaza. we started, as you know, in israel , and it was know, in israel, and it was important to make it very clear that the united states has israel's back. we will stand with it today, tomorrow and every day. and we're doing that in word and also in deed. i spent time with prime minister netanyahu to go through the needs that israel may have to make sure it can effectively defend itself . and you've defend itself. and you've already seen a lot of that assistance moving fonnard. and that's a conversation that will continue . israel has the right continue. israel has the right indeed, it has the obligation to defend itself against these attacks from hamas and to try to do what it can to make sure that this never happens again. as i said in tel aviv , as president said in tel aviv, as president biden has said , the way that biden has said, the way that israel does this matters is it needs to do it in a way that affirms the shared values that we have for human life and human dignity , taking every possible dignity, taking every possible precaution to avoid harming

civilians after we left israel, we gone now to i think i've lost track, but to six countries in the region , jordan , bahrain, the region, jordan, bahrain, qatar , the united arab emirates, qatar, the united arab emirates, saudi arabia. now here in egypt. and the purpose of seeing all of our partners was first and foremost to listen to them, to hear how they're seeing this crisis and to look at what we can do together to deal with many of the concerns that it's raised. what i've heard from virtually every partner was a determination , a shared view determination, a shared view that. determination, a shared view that . we just lost. that. we just lost. >> anthony blinken . but if we >> anthony blinken. but if we can bring you the end of that, that was, of course, anthony blinken. he was talking there about the conflict. he had four key objectives, three of which were standing with israel. the other was obviously to deal with the humanitarian conflict in gaza to the gaza and also to let the israelis know that has their israelis know that he has their back. the americans say that

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with humanitarian and international law , the prime international law, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, and the us president joe biden's israel have agreed to renew water supplies to parts of southern gaza. the united nafionsis southern gaza. the united nations is warning that hospitals filled with wounded victims will run out of fuel and suppuesin victims will run out of fuel and supplies in the next two days. israel military says it is allowing safe evacuations for the people in northern gaza. benjamin netanyahu has convened his emergency council for the first time in a show of unity to prepare for what he described as the demolishment of hamas in gaza. the demolishment of hamas in gaza . it comes after the leader gaza. it comes after the leader of hamas met with iran's foreign minister in qatar, where they both agreed to continue cooperation . well, in a separate cooperation. well, in a separate development, a spokesperson for the idf told gb news it's continuing to let people in northern gaza move from their homes to safety . in another homes to safety. in another development today for uk government flights carrying britons have left israel today, with two more expected later .

with two more expected later. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah border crossing in the south with egypt is opened. it's currently the only route out of gaza , and the only route out of gaza, and the foreign secretary, james cleverly told gb news the uk government is doing everything it can to get british nationals trapped in gaza out . trapped in gaza out. >> we have been liaising very , >> we have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the egyptian government, with the egyptian government and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing . now reopen the rafah crossing. now thatis reopen the rafah crossing. now that is the border crossing between southern gaza and egypt at the moment. that is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. we will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open. and that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult. meanwhile here in the uk, hundreds of people have gathered at a vigil in central to london commemorate israeli victims of the hamas incursion

into the country. >> many were draped in israeli flags and posters saying bring them home with the names and faces of hostages captured by hamas were being handed out. a police presence could be seen in the area, which was in westminster in central london. meanwhile the met police says it is urgently viewing content posted online following the pro—palestinian protest in central london yesterday. the force has released a picture of two women. they're looking to identify who had images of paraguay raiders attached to the backs of their jackets. the demonstration was mainly peaceful without major issues , peaceful without major issues, but 15 people were arrested as pockets of disorder broke out. more on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you. police just coming up to 35 minutes after 4:00. up next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm jeremy corbyn fit

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to run for london now, to run for london mayor? now, the the labour the former leader of the labour party dropped his biggest the former leader of the labour partjyet dropped his biggest the former leader of the labour partjyet that pped his biggest the former leader of the labour partjyet that head his biggest the former leader of the labour partjyet that he is his biggest the former leader of the labour partjyet that he is planningst the former leader of the labour partjyet that he is planning to hint yet that he is planning to run as an independent candidate in london race. he's in the london mayoral race. he's telling friends that would in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim riends that would in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim around hat would in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim around at would in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim around a lot would in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim around a lot morenuld in the london mayoral race. he's tellihim around a lot more now see him around a lot more now and that he wasn't going anywhere. this comes anywhere. now this comes off the back of speculation back of months of speculation that has been planning on that he has been planning on challenging sadiq challenging the incumbent, sadiq khan, his expulsion khan, following his expulsion from the labour party . however, from the labour party. however, not has this led to fears not only has this led to fears from his own side that he will split the labour vote , handing split the labour vote, handing the keys to city hall to the conservative candidate, suzanne hall , but questions have also hall, but questions have also been raised his been raised about his suitability such a high suitability to hold such a high office. only has he office. not only has he historically referred to the proscribed terror group hamas as friends and criticised the decision to prescribe them as terrorists in the first place. but he appeared at a pro—palestine rally london. pro—palestine rally in london. only yesterday, where he once again refused to condemn the massacre of innocent israeli civilians by hamas . so for the civilians by hamas. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm is jeremy fit i'm asking is jeremy corbyn fit to run for london mayor? to discuss this, i'm joined again

by edwards , former editor by peter edwards, former editor of labourlist. and suzanne of the labourlist. and suzanne edwards . evans, you edwards. evans, sorry, you haven't recently or haven't got married recently or even haven't got married recently or ever. never . also ever. probably never. also i don't know. i don't know. have you ever been married? either of you? let's move on. also, neil parish, who's former parish, who's a former conservative james conservative mp, and james mathewson , former labour mathewson, former labour spokesman . okay. i'm going to spokesman. okay. i'm going to start you, neil parish. start with you, neil parish. you're conservative mp . you're a former conservative mp. let's it. jeremy let's talk about it. jeremy corbyn, in your view, is he fit to run as london mayor to run as a london mayor >> i don't think he's fit to run because i think his views on hamas, the fact know the barbarism the terrorism and barbarism and the terrorism and the and the murder of innocent people in israel is just horrendous. but i think is horrendous. but i think he is able to stand as mayor because democratically he could stand. i mean, what i do actually wonder is because i think many , most is because i think many, most british muslims would not actually support his views on hamas . hamas. >> so don't we let him stand >> so why don't we let him stand and actually see what he can get in way votes? in the way of votes? >> because actually think >> because i actually think a lot people will vote for lot of people will not vote for jeremy corbyn. i don't think he's fit for it, but i think he

is able so. is able to do so. >> and of course, i mean, why don't just call him you don't we just call him out, you know? to stand know? are you going to stand jeremy the moment he jeremy or not? at the moment he just sort fritters around, jeremy or not? at the moment he just sor he, fritters around, jeremy or not? at the moment he just sor he, saying, around, jeremy or not? at the moment he just sor he, saying, well,i, doesn't he, saying, well, i might stand i not. might stand or i might not. >> i would call him out. if >> i would call him out. say, if you're to going stand, let's have clear views on where have your clear views on where you stand on hamas. have your clear views on where you stand on hamas . and he you stand on hamas. and if he will condemn the barbarism will not condemn the barbarism and terrorism of what and the terrorism of what they've done in gaza to israelis and then and jewish people , then and then and jewish people, then i think he is totally unfit. but he can democratically stand, if he can democratically stand, if he so wishes . he so wishes. >> or is that code for we want him to stand so he can split the labour vote so suzanne hall can get in james matthewson , you're get in james matthewson, you're a former labour spokesperson. what think ? what do you think? >> i was going to say? >> i was going to say? >> just had to call out neil on that great one because i'm thinking him stand. thinking you love him to stand. >> wouldn't you be to >> wouldn't you be a to great split vote? split that vote? >> that's the concern split that vote? >> that that's the concern split that vote? >> that is that's the concern split that vote? >> that is thert's the concern split that vote? >> that is the genuine oncern split that vote? >> that is the genuine concern and that is the genuine concern even from people like even from labour, people like myself and from people you know, i'm a democrat. i believe that you be stand if

you should be able to stand if he wants to, but it would be a dark for labour party. dark day for the labour party. it'd day for any it'd be a dark day for any progressive out there. i believe at facing at the moment we're facing attacks on progressive values all over the world from, you know, women's being know, women's rights being stripped in the us to , you stripped away in the us to, you know, feeling know, lgbt communities feeling increasingly marginalised. it'd be real shame to see the progressive party of britain being denied an electoral victory by somebody who used to lead it. and by somebody whose ego has got the better of him. >> sadly, but but but you say about women's rights. but do you do almighty sir do recall that the almighty sir keir of the labour keir starmer of the labour leader unable say what a leader was unable to say what a woman quite some time. woman was for quite some time. so that be concern for so that would be a concern for many, women. do know many, many women. do you know what mean ? what i mean? >> i mean, i'm afraid we'll have to but to disagree on that, but regardless now, when it regardless of that now, when it comes to progressive values and becomes left values, becomes a left wing values, which you and i may which obviously you and i may disagree we disagree disagree on, we may disagree on the panel. however, i want to see those views represent id and to says to see somebody who says they agree those views jeremy agree with those views in jeremy are actually the party are actually denying the party that has chance to represent that has the chance to represent those views and to stand up for

those views and to stand up for those values is it would be a real shame. susanna johnson so i hope stands i'd like hope he stands because i'd like to see. hope he stands because i'd like to ssusan hall i think >> susan hall i think she's probably the best candidate, the conservative candidate. but but is fit? well, that's another is he fit? well, that's another question. or is he right to stand? don't think stand? is he fit? i don't think so. again showed stand? is he fit? i don't think so. true again showed stand? is he fit? i don't think so. true colours again showed stand? is he fit? i don't think so. true colours at again showed stand? is he fit? i don't think so. true colours at thein showed his true colours at the demonstration yesterday. he talked and regretted the talked about and regretted the loss of life on both sides, but then went on to his usual cry of wanting to call out israel for war crimes and to stop arms sales, to israel. no mention whatsoever about the covert arms that are coming from iran and from syria in an underground tunnel network across the egyptian gaza border. no mention of that whatsoever. or, of course, the weapons that hamas gets on the black market. so what would he do ? cut arms what would he do? cut arms suppues what would he do? cut arms supplies to israel and leave the defenceless against these appalling terrorist atrocities that we've seen this week? no, he's absolutely not fit to be mayor or indeed a politician at all, in my view. >> peter edwards , jeremy corbyn. >> peter edwards, jeremy corbyn. >> peter edwards, jeremy corbyn. >> he was a leader of the labour

party. unsuccessful on party. he was unsuccessful on nearly every measure. he was hopeless. think many us hopeless. i think many of us feel a labour mp. i feel he's not a labour mp. i actually took this hint that's in some newspapers over the weekend. he stand against the labour in islington north. labour party in islington north. i it's really unlikely i think it's really unlikely he'll run as a mayoral candidate. i think been in candidate. i think he's been in islington since the early islington north since the early 19805, 40 islington north since the early 1980s, 40 years. 1980s, around about 40 years. i think he feels wounded by being suspended parliamentary suspended from the parliamentary party suspect he would party and i suspect he would want to stand there to be an independent left wing mp in the house commons. to be house of commons. but to be honest, i would he'd lose honest, i would hope he'd lose and i'll support the labour candidate, whether that's in london or islington north. >> so i'll then >> okay, so i'll then ask you then one time. peter then all one at a time. peter edwards fit to run for edwards is he fit to run for labour? yes or no? yes or no? >> well, he was hopeless as leader. so you're not going to run ? encourage to. run? i'd encourage him not to. i think he was utterly hopeless as labour leader. think he was utterly hopeless as labso?leader. think he was utterly hopeless as lab so? so der. think he was utterly hopeless as labso? so no, the answer is no. >> so? so no, the answer is no. no no. james matthewson, is he fit to run for labour mayor yes or yes. believe he's fit to >> yes. i believe he's fit to run for it. does he deserve to be it? >> no. neil parish. yes or no? >> no. neil parish. yes or no? >> i would probably say he is

able to run for it, but he's not actually fit. susanna i totally agree. >> i think yes, he can run if he wants to. it's a democracy, but no, he's not fit. >> well, thank you so much for your thoughts. that's panel. your thoughts. that's my panel. thank for thank you so much for your views. parish, views. neil parish, peter edwards, many you, james edwards, so many of you, james mathewson also suzanne mathewson and also suzanne evans. have i said you already before i say you twice? i don't know. you can mention me. thank you. much all you. thank you so much for all your thoughts. them coming, your thoughts. keep them coming, though. think though. but what do you think then? for then? is he fit to run for mayor? you prepared to mayor? would you be prepared to vote for him? or is it wise that he actually run split he should actually run to split the show is the vote? but the show is nothing you your nothing without you and your views. on our views. let's welcome on our great their great british voices their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and what they think opportunity to be on the show and the what they think opportunity to be on the show and the topics they think opportunity to be on the show and the topics we're think about the topics we're discussing. john discussing. i've got john reading he's reading kidderminster. he's there john there live for us now. john read, that someone read, do you think that someone like especially read, do you think that someone like his especially read, do you think that someone like his views especially read, do you think that someone like his views theyecially read, do you think that someone like his views the things with his views and the things that is fit run that he's done, is he fit to run for as mayor in any place? for as a mayor in any place? >> helen man , undoubtedly. >> yeah. helen man, undoubtedly. >> yeah. helen man, undoubtedly. >> a clever man, but i >> jeremy is a clever man, but i think he's had his day well past it. wouldn't personally want it. i wouldn't personally want to see him run. i can see that in a democracy, there's no way of stopping him. but i think he

would split the labour vote and allow the tory in which which, you , might a bad you know, might not be a bad thing mayor, but it thing for london mayor, but it wouldn't my politics. wouldn't fit with my politics. i'm afraid. so. is he fit to run for london mayor? yes. do i want to him run? no, i don't. i to see him run? no, i don't. i think should retire and rest think he should retire and rest easy just watch the world go by. >> thank you very much, john in kidderminster. here's our voice. always a pleasure. thank you so much. i'd to him always a pleasure. thank you so mu(just i'd to him always a pleasure. thank you so mu(just split to him always a pleasure. thank you so mu(just split vote, him run just to split the vote, but i think to run i don't think he's fit to run for you're with me on for mayor. you're with me on nana this is gb news on nana akua. this is gb news on online, tv digital online, on tv and on digital radio. coming it's time for radio. coming up, it's time for world week, world view now. this week, it's all latest updates all about the latest updates coming conflict coming out of the conflict between hamas the between israel and hamas as the idf gear for a comprehensive idf gear up for a comprehensive offensive air, sea and offensive involving air, sea and land, i'll joined by uri land, i'll be joined by uri geller in tel aviv. gary geller in tel aviv. plus gary mond of the national jewish assembly. we'll also get the assembly. and we'll also get the latest us and the latest from the us and the reaction there to the conflict from duddridge, host of reaction there to the conflict fron politics. uddridge, host of reaction there to the conflict fron politics. people e, host of reaction there to the conflict fron politics. people podcast.st of reaction there to the conflict froniis itics. people podcast.st of

gb news. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua welcome on board. if you've just tuned in now, it's been one week on from the hamas horrific in the hamas horrific attack in israel killed 1300 women. israel which killed 1300 women. men children and sadly the conflict is still raging. the israeli military statement has revealed israel are gearing up for a comprehensive offensive across land, air and sea , but across land, air and sea, but are yet to give any timings or specifics. now the idf statement added that soldiers have a strong emphasis on a substantial

ground operation . an i'm joined ground operation. an i'm joined now by british israeli mystifier uri geller, who's there live in tel aviv right now. uri, thank you so much forjoining me. i appreciate you coming to talk to me about this. can you can you give me an update about what what hearing? you're what you're hearing? you're talking amongst talking obviously amongst people who in tel aviv who actually live in tel aviv and you live there, too. can you tell been going on and tell me what's been going on and what saying . what people are saying. >> well, first of all, nana, thanks again for inviting me on to your show . look, everyone is to your show. look, everyone is glued to the television because that's where we are getting the news all the military commentators are telling us the latest. but it's so hard, at least for me and for the millions of israeli and jews around the to world voice our fury because every every half an houn fury because every every half an hour, something new pops out about the massacre , about the about the massacre, about the barbaric massacre for instance. this just this was just published. these are are the children that were kidnapped,

some children here are are missing . nobody knows where they missing. nobody knows where they are, what happened to them. so and they're kind of trickling out the news of their atrocities that occurred that that day at six, six, 20 in the morning. so you can imagine when missiles are flying in every hour, there is red alert, probably while i'm speaking to you, there might be a red alert. and if the red alert is on tel aviv means that ihave alert is on tel aviv means that i have to run to a shelter here. but othennise , you we all hear but othennise, you we all hear the same news. the israelis are ready. they're ready probably to get into gaza . we are very get into gaza. we are very careful . i would like to mention careful. i would like to mention this. listen in. our pilots, they are so meticulous. they are so concerned about not hitting civilian populations . it's civilian populations. it's

incredible how precise the bombs are . we are hitting hamas are. we are hitting hamas targets, military targets all the time. we are paving the way for the ground troops. the air force, the navy to eradicate hamas. this cannot go on. so i hopei hamas. this cannot go on. so i hope i answered your question . hope i answered your question. >> and how worried are you about the prospect of this escalating outside of just gaza? because, of course , you are dealing now of course, you are dealing now with attacks from different fronts and that is a real concern . concern. >> well, israel is very strong , >> well, israel is very strong, very powerful. we are dodi in the north of israel . so if any the north of israel. so if any attack will come from that side, we are really spread out everywhere. we are powerful and you can see how many nations are with us. i mean, there is already a huge american aircraft carrier with what, 80 fighter

jets on board in all kinds of sophisticated missiles to help us out if we need it. i don't think we'll need it . us out if we need it. i don't think we'll need it. but us out if we need it. i don't think we'll need it . but there's think we'll need it. but there's another aircraft carrier coming. germany is with us. england is with us. you know what? i'm furious. for instance , about the furious. for instance, about the bbc. i mean , the bbc refusing to bbc. i mean, the bbc refusing to call hamas terrorists. i mean , call hamas terrorists. i mean, are they mad? you know, the bbc will only call them militants. you know , the whole of britain you know, the whole of britain is against the bbc on this. even. king charles called it terrorism . um, look, you must terrorism. um, look, you must remember that hamas is killed. this is important. hamas killed not only israelis, but civilians from around the world. more than ten british citizens are feared dead or missing. they have killed eight civilians from 70 countries, excluding israel. they killed at least 260 young people at a music festival . all people at a music festival. all people at a music festival. all people went out to dance. this is, by the way, this is more than ten times the number of

people killed in the horrific terror attack at the ariana grande concert in manchester. do you remember that night? >> yeah, it was terrible. >> yeah, it was terrible. >> terrible. that was that sent shockwaves through britain. so the only solution for israel now is to completely destroy hamas. well, in the same way that britain now knew it had to completely defeat the and completely defeat the and completely destroy isis, there is no other way. >> nana obe. thank you so much for telling us. you know, giving us an update. really appreciate you . stay safe and we'll hope to you. stay safe and we'll hope to get speak again get to speak to you again shortly. care . thank you shortly. take care. thank you very that's uri geller. very much. that's uri geller. he is in tel aviv. joining me is live in tel aviv. joining me now in studio gary now in the studio is gary montes, the chairman of the advisory the jewish advisory board of the jewish national assembly. gary, welcome. for welcome. thank you so much for joining for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, gary, for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, gary, i for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, gary, i want for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, gary, i want to for having welcome. thank you so much for joiniso, gary, i want to talkaving me. so, gary, i want to talk to you the feeling you about what is the feeling amongst association and amongst your association and those because those around you, because obviously we've got protests which are they're not hamas, they're not pro hamas. we must stress that a lot of people there pro—palestine, but there are pro—palestine, but

we're praying that, you know, we don't want people obviously , don't want people obviously, it's in this it's against the law in this country to be promoting terrorist that . so what is the showing that. so what is the feeling amongst your community? because people were because i know some people were frightened school. some because i know some people were fri thelned school. some because i know some people were fri the schools school. some because i know some people were fri the schools were school. some because i know some people were fri the schools were closed.some of the schools were closed. people their jewish, people won't wear their jewish, you symbols things you know, symbols and things likethere's a high >> there's certainly a high degree of concern and nervousness, doubt . nervousness, without a doubt. >> that the main >> but i think that the main attitude is that we want to see israel have freedom to actually execute this war as it sees fit. the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu , has made it benjamin netanyahu, has made it very clear that he wants to see hamas wiped out and i think we want to support him in that endeavoun want to support him in that endeavour. and what very endeavour. and what i'm very concerned about is in the coming days, particularly after there is a ground invasion into gaza , is a ground invasion into gaza, we will start to see politicians both in this country and around the world use expressions like restraint on both sides. what we must not have is a situation where we're back to previous wars where hamas is left intact at the end , hamas must be wiped

at the end, hamas must be wiped out, destroyed. so that then this sort of situation like it happened on the 7th of october, can never , ever happen again. can never, ever happen again. >> i think you know, when they refer to that, obviously they're talking of the talking about the safety of the citizens within gaza and the places where these bombings are taking that's taking place. i think that's the main nobody wants to kill main nobody nobody wants to kill innocent civilians at all. >> nobody. well, hamas does, but nobody on the israeli side wants to kill innocent civilians. your previous made reference previous speaker made reference to the care that's taken by the israeli army and the israeli other military forces in the air force to try to ensure here that under my normal risk of civilian uns being harmed, they are going for hamas , they are going for for hamas, they are going for hamas infrastructure . they are hamas infrastructure. they are going for hamas leaders. hamas infrastructure. they are going for hamas leaders . we have going for hamas leaders. we have to wipe out hamas. going for hamas leaders. we have to wipe out hamas . and of to wipe out hamas. and of course, what we will try to do, what they will try to do is to minimise civilian casualties. >> you know, the concern with this is, though, that as i've mentioned that this is mentioned to uri, that this is escalating iran saying escalating now with iran saying and heard this now coming

and we've heard this now coming from that camp, that they cannot sit by and watch if this becomes a offence, if they will a full on offence, if they will step that a big step in and that that is a big fear, right? step in and that that is a big feaithat's:? step in and that that is a big feaithat's obviously a very >> that's obviously a very serious worry. i have serious worry. but i have confidence has confidence that israel has planned for this. we've been heanng planned for this. we've been hearing for many, many years is successive israeli prime ministers have said that israel knows how to defend itself. now we will find out if they were right. i believe they were. i think that israel will be able to deal with hezbollah and ultimately it may actually have to deal with iran as well . to deal with iran as well. >> and how safe do jewish people, in your view, feel in this country now? from what we've seen ? do you we have we've seen? do you feel we have confidence police ? confidence in the police? >> have in the >> we have confidence in the government. we're government. we feel we're generally much loved by many, many people. we are concerned about the support for hamas. and i was pleased to hear that when there was a lady who was wearing essentially a pro—hamast there was a lady who was wearing essentially a pro—hamas t shirt yesterday at the rally, she had a sticker on her back with with sticker. yes >> i hear the police with the paratroopers there and we'll paratroopers on there and we'll arrest think the police will do >> so i think the police will do

their best, are doing their best. a rally . my best. and we have a rally. my organisation, the national jewish a rally jewish assembly, has a rally at 6:30 outside portland 6:30 tomorrow outside portland in portland place outside the bbc to complain about how they failed to use the word terrorist to describe hamas . to describe hamas. >> but would the bbc, as i've looked through a lot of their literature, they never call anyone terrorists. so they didn't terrorists. didn't call isis terrorists. they ira they didn't call the ira terrorists. have we did terrorists. they have we did actually a lot of research to actually do a lot of research to find points where they have they'll it in a they'll only do it in a reference somebody else has reference if somebody else has said it and repeat that. but they initially say they won't initially say it themselves. they won't initially say it themselv because this is not different because this is not one conflicts where one of those conflicts where it's to be neutral. it's possibly to be neutral. >> you must compare this >> and you must compare this with, now with, for example, the ira. now the were widely referred to the ira were widely referred to as terrorists. but what the difference between the ira and hamas is that the ira were hamas is, is that the ira were not genocidal terrorists. i actually slightly actually have a slightly additional point to make here. too many others in the community, refer to community, i would refer to hamas genocidal terrorists hamas as genocidal terrorists because their interest is in murdering is quite simply murdering jews is quite simply the ira didn't set out to murder all christians . the hamas, on

all christians. the hamas, on the other hand, set out to murder jews in israel and would murder jews in israel and would murder them elsewhere. if they could. >> well, gary, thank you so much for it's really for talking to me. it's really good to you again and good to speak to you again and again. we'll invite good to speak to you again and agaiback we'll invite good to speak to you again and agaiback to we'll invite good to speak to you again and agaiback to updatee'll invite good to speak to you again and agaiback to update us. invite good to speak to you again and agaiback to update us. thise good to speak to you again and agaiback to update us. this is you back to update us. this is a gb news on tv online, and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. stay tuned with us because we've got in the got loads more to come in the next hour . it's 5:00. we are the next hour. it's 5:00. we are the people's channel. this is gb news. and for the next hour , me news. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, this week's special outside guest, a household name and a doctor . he's guest, a household name and a doctor. he's one of guest, a household name and a doctor . he's one of the doctor. he's one of the country's most prominent radio djs. he will be with me very shortly it's for the shortly. then it's time for the great debate out. great british debate this out. i'm electric car i'm asking, is the electric car dream but first, let's get dream over? but first, let's get your latest news headlines with polly . nana. polly. nana. >> thanks very much indeed.

well, the top story this hour is that the us secretary of state said the middle east is determined to stop a spill—over of the conflict between been israel and the palestinian militant palestinian militant group hamas to the rest of the middle east. he spoke on the tarmac as he was leaving cairo. anthony blinken saying the us is putting in place with the un and egypt at help assistance egypt at help to get assistance to those people who need it. he also said the rafah crossing between egypt gaza will be between egypt and gaza will be reopened . it's after the reopened. it's after the european union's national leaders back israel's right to defend itself in line with humanitarian and international law. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the us president joe biden both agreed earlier to renew water supplies to parts of southern gaza and the united nations warned that hospitals filled with wounded victims would run out of fuel and supplies in the next two days. mr netanyahu convening his emergency council to prepare , emergency council to prepare, meanwhile, for what he described as demolishing hamas in gaza.

well, a spokesperson for the idf told gb news it is continuing to let people into northern gaza move from their homes to safety . move from their homes to safety. >> the worst case scenario is actually that they would stay in where we plan to conduct our operation . so they should operation. so they should evacuate to the south, where there is places where people can get up and take cover for get holed up and take cover for the time being. and indeed, when we finish and complete our operations, we will announce that they'll be able come that they'll be able to come back homes . back to their homes. >> meanwhile, for uk government flights carrying britain's left, israel today, two more are expected later. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah border crossing with egypt is opened. it's currently the only route out of the territory . the foreign the territory. the foreign secretary james cleverly telling gb news the uk government is doing everything it can to get british people trapped in gaza out . out. >> and we have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the

egyptian government and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. now that is the border crossing. now that is the border crossing between southern gaza and egypt at the moment. that is the only credible exit route from people from gaza. we will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open and that is, of course, making humanity korean and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult are hundreds of people have gathered at a vigil in central london today to commemorate israeli victims of the hamas terror attack. >> many were draped in israeli flags, holding posters saying bnng flags, holding posters saying bring them home with flyers being handed out featuring names and faces of those taken hostage by hamas . a strong police by hamas. a strong police presence patrolled the event, which took place in westminster in central london. now the shadow foreign secretary says the rise in anti semitism in the uk is abysmal. the rise in anti semitism in the uk is abysmal . a jewish children uk is abysmal. a jewish children should feel safe going to school

. david lammy, whose constituency has a large jewish community, told gb news his children should feel safe and be protected by law . he also said protected by law. he also said the advice from police is that jewish schools can open the rise in anti semitism is abysmal. >> we must stand up to this hate. the idea that there are school children not attending school children not attending school through fear for not wearing uniform through fear, people taking off the star of . people taking off the star of. david hiding, pretending that they are not of jewish faith is entirely unacceptable . bill and entirely unacceptable. bill and i stand in solidarity with jewish communities at this time who must have the full protection of the law. >> david lammy now the metropolitan police says it's urgently viewing content posted onune urgently viewing content posted online following the pro—palestinian protest in central london yesterday . the central london yesterday. the force has released a picture of

two women. they're looking to identify who displayed contentious images of paragliders said to glorify hamas paragliders who attacked israel. the demonstration was mainly peaceful without major issue, but 15 people were arrested as pockets of disorder broke out later on in the evening with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . thank britain's news channel. thank you, polly. >> it's fast approaching. six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and a digital radio. i'm nana aquarium for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines topics hitting the headlines right all right now. this show is all about opinion. mine , it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. course, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. debating yours. we'll be debating discussing we will discussing it at times. we will disagree, will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast and journalist danny kelly also broadcast an author, christine hamilton .

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you and i said to you, look, what i need to to get into what do i need to do to get into radio? hospital radio? and you said, hospital radio. work? yes i'm here radio. did it work? yes i'm here now. that's what i did. i started in hospital radio. >> i mean, that always was many years and probably still years ago and probably still is a good get in for a pretty good way to get in for people like like whether you want presenter want to be a tv presenter or radio presenter, just got to radio presenter, you just got to somehow a way your somehow find a way to get your foot door and once the foot in the door and once the doors you need sort of doors open, you need a sort of somehow be able to force it open a more. a bit more. >> are look, are a bit more. >>many are look, are a bit more. >> many opportunities are a bit more. >> many opportunities now are a bit more. >> many opportunities now for'e so many opportunities now for people get on board from all people to get on board from all kinds of backgrounds and that's brilliant. and i think more and more people trying get more people are trying to get into again , it's still into it. but again, it's still tough. you've still got to, you know, , low pay for know, long hours, low pay for people that start with doing it terrible. you know what it's like. but it's ultimately if you involved in this business, it's a fun business. >> you have to have >> yeah. and you have to have a passion for it. so for you, how did did you do? did you start? what did you do? >> didn't hospital >> well, i didn't go hospital radio, ended up as of radio, but i ended up as part of my bath university. my degree at bath university. i was doing a business degree and i up in america for part i ended up in america for part of my degree, heard some amazing

radio. this is about 1983. it was very different from how british radio was at the time and there was a lot more of it than we had at the time for sure, because we didn't have many stations really over here. and i just realised that's what i'd like to do. came back , bit i'd like to do. came back, bit of university radio sent a tape off. i mean, somehow got known by station in worcester , by a small station in worcester, a station and i'd helped a little station and i'd helped out there for quite a long time for free, you know, putting records away and those old records away and those great old days were days when record records were vinyl and inch, those were vinyl and on 12 inch, those were the days, ages me . so that was the days, ages me. so that was sort of in the mid 80s really, and my foot in the door and and got my foot in the door and sort never looked back. sort of never looked back. >> your first job sort of never looked back. >> radio? your first job sort of never looked back. >> radio? youryour first job sort of never looked back. >> radio? your sort first job sort of never looked back. >> radio? your sort ofst job sort of never looked back. >> radio? your sort of the job sort of never looked back. >> radio? your sort of the big b in radio? your sort of the big break well was it break for you? well was it radio? depends what you think. >> i suppose it's everything's relative . so when i wasn't on relative. so when i wasn't on the radio to get my first ever show was amazing , which was in show was amazing, which was in end of 1984, this little station called wyvern. i guess getting a full time job when i left my other job, that was a big deal.

radio luxembourg was a big deal because lux doesn't exist now, but it was such an enormous station and had been one of the biggest stations . the first biggest stations. the first proper commercial station in the uk. >> and what was that on a boat or was that radio? caroline that was another no, no. >> so it wasn't one of the pirates. the pirates were like radio caroline radio london and radio caroline and floating and they were boats floating around and they all got outlawed in 1967. that's when radio one started. no luxia being around in luxembourg in the grand duchy and some guy had had this great idea back in the 30s when the bbc wouldn't allow him to do commercial radio. he went to rtl radio tele luxembourg , got a radio tele luxembourg, got a studio off them, ran a line from luxembourg to the belgian coast, but a big great big transmitter up and blasted a signal back to britain. and that's how that was started. wow. i spent capital was my first big. >> i know. that's where i saw you at capital. and you you were you at capital. and you you were you know, got to do quite you know, you got to do quite a lot. the pepsi chart. i lot. you had the pepsi chart. i remember chart was great remember pepsi chart was great for years on a sunday

for 12 years on a sunday afternoon. for 12 years on a sunday afternoo was and obviously, >> that was fun. and obviously, you know, it was a time of i mean , capital radio is 50 years you know, it was a time of i meitomorrow.l radio is 50 years you know, it was a time of i meitomorrow. unbelievablerears old tomorrow. unbelievable that's you know, since that's the first commercial music station in britain that was licenced you know me, david jensen, chris tarrant, of course, tarrant was legendary . course, tarrant was legendary. at breakfast there was a really amazing line—up a place amazing line—up and a fun place to be. >> but you've not just done radio. done quite >> but you've not just done ra bit. done quite >> but you've not just done ra bit on done quite >> but you've not just done ra bit on tv. done quite >> but you've not just done ra bit on tv. yeah. done quite >> but you've not just done ra bit on tv. yeah. andione quite >> but you've not just done ra bit on tv. yeah. and i ne quite >> but you've not just done rabit on tv. yeah. and i knowite a bit on tv. yeah. and i know that of your interests is that one of your interests is you're you you fly helicopters. >> i've had heli licence for >> i've had a heli licence for 30 slightly obsessed . i 30 years, slightly obsessed. i mean, if i hadn't done, i really thought about going into the army. i did all the selection board . and i nearly after uni board. and i nearly after uni went into the army, would love to have flown helicopters. i didn't. i ended up going into broadcasting anyway. it's like chalk and cheese, it chalk and cheese, isn't it really? brother was in really? my middle brother was in the and that was his the military and that was his career years. career for 27 years. >> so what make as you're >> so what do you make as you're seeing the conflict unfold in israel? it's the saddest thing to watch it. >> i was trying to talk about this with my kids as well, sort of. they're watching it sort of

scared , watching these images scared, watching these images and terrified and appalled as we all are, as what's unfolded in the last week. but i kind of went, god, when i was a kid. this on. my parents this was going on. my parents were kids. it was going this were kids. it was going on. this is been is something that's been going on. complex on. it's such a complex situation in i mean, what we've seen, though, in the last week has been disgusting, really from hamas. and these attacks have been shocking . and now it is been shocking. and now it is shocking, although you understand that israel has really got to do something about this now. but also, it's terrifying watching just the might build up because you wonder what the hell is going to happen next. i think , you know, happen next. i think, you know, i don't understand the complexity of that region enough really to comment on it, just to know from a humanitarian point of view, it's just horrendous watching it. and you wonder how can it stop? how can it ever change? how can it ever, how can they find a solution? because one day you pray that they find a solution for everyone in that region so they can live

peacefully. i'm just so concerned for the israeli troops going into area of gaza. going into that area of gaza. >> feel feels >> i just feel that that feels like feels like it like a trap. it feels like it will be booby trapped and everything. just scared everything. i'm just scared for them to do that. and the potential , you know, involvement potential, you know, involvement of iran. but, you know, we'll keep people posted on that throughout and gb news so for you then, as you look on, what throughout and gb news so for youyou n, as you look on, what throughout and gb news so for youyou doing ou look on, what throughout and gb news so for youyou doing nowyok on, what throughout and gb news so for youyou doing now them, what throughout and gb news so for youyou doing now then theset are you doing now then these days? i know sometimes you've covered for mark a few covered for mark dolan a few times done things times and you've done things like are you? like that. what are you? >> really fascinating like that. what are you? > mean, really fascinating like that. what are you? >mean, music really fascinating like that. what are you? >mean, music radiov fascinating like that. what are you? >mean, music radiov fasialways| i mean, music radio has always been of escaping. been a fun way of escaping. sometimes from norm sometimes from the norm of horrendous news and what's going on now. i think people like the escapism of music radio. i've actually for so actually i've done it for so long did find covering long now. i did find covering for mark and some other shows fascinating to not have the comfort of going to a song, you know , so you could talk always know, so you could talk always before you just thought, right, okay, shut up, play a song now i couldn't that i found it couldn't do that and i found it really interesting doing talk tv. that you did tv. i found that you did fantastic. no, i mean talking on tv rather than talk tv. i thought , out, tv rather than talk tv. i thought, out, out. i thought, get out, get out. i hate talk about your rivals. hate to talk about your rivals. no, so i found doing sort of

no, but so i found doing sort of this of television this kind of television fascinating. of like fascinating. and i sort of like to . i really i have been to do more. i really i have been building, though, business building, though, a business over years. and over the last three years. and actually, i kind of think of all the fun things i've done. so far has been fantastic. but i think weirdly, i'd to think that weirdly, i'd like to think that they're leading up to what they're all leading up to what i'm to do next. i'm going to do next. >> business what's >> so your business is what's running a business. >> music platform. it's >> it's a music platform. it's an it's a it's a network an app and it's a it's a network that that hopefully connects people together around their favourite songs. i won't say too much, but it'll launch next year and that'll be fun. but i think that would be that sort of bnngs that would be that sort of brings together the things that would be that sort of bring i've gether the things that would be that sort of bring i've getherabout|e things that would be that sort of bring i've getherabout people,; that i've loved about people, audiences , music, entertainment audiences, music, entertainment and it all together in and it brings it all together in one space. one space. >> one space. >> i hope you'll give an >> i hope you'll give me an exclusive. course oh, exclusive. of course i will. oh, well, that's it. you said it. now we've got it tape. it now we've got it on tape. got it on happy to come >> you said happy to come and talk about another time. talk about it another time. >> yeah, definitely. your >> yeah, definitely. and in your view, then, biggest moment view, then, your biggest moment in you to in your career, if you were to just had just because you've had a fantastic you've done fantastic career, you've done loads and obviously loads of things and obviously you've still got loads of things to you to find to do, but if you were to find the that you think is the thing that you think is maybe there two

maybe i guess there are two things always things that i've always found. >> that lifetime >> one, getting that lifetime achievement award is fantastic because and that's just as because and that's not just as a as a someone who plays music that was amongst all broadcasters so that broadcasters that year. so that did particularly special did feel particularly special when your peers recognised they think you're a good job. think you're doing a good job. that's a moment and that's that was a moment and i guess i was really when we did pop idol that was a really pop idol, enormous time. not that it was my idea , but i was really was my idea, but i was really happy to be part of it and i guess what doing a show like that, that was a whole new type of television and my god, it hasn't since, has it? hasn't stopped since, has it? but was 2001 when that but that was 2001 when that started, and that's when tech i guess it was. it was people being to phone vote. being able to phone in a vote. so technology had allowed so the technology had allowed people get involved in a way people to get involved in a way like the old gladiator rings. it was the thumb up or thumb down. but on your but you could do it on your phone home. and i did love phone from home. and i did love doing and that was doing that. and that was an exciting because that exciting time, just because that first series with will and gareth, i remember that. >> amazing, gosh, that was good, wasn't >> amazing, gosh, that was good, was22 years ago, scarily . but >> 22 years ago, scarily. but that such a big moment and

that was such a big moment and people talking about it. people were talking about it. they about it people were talking about it. th parliament, about it people were talking about it. th parliament, which about it people were talking about it. th parliament, which was jout it people were talking about it. th parliament, which was crazyt people were talking about it. th parliament, which was crazy , in parliament, which was crazy, but it had an impact and people were loving it. well, listen, i'm definitely going you i'm definitely going to get you back your back when you launch your business idea. back when you launch your busbuts idea. you go, we're >> but before you go, we're going about going to be talking about electric just electric cars. yeah, i'm just wondering your on wondering, what's your take on them? have them? what do you think? have you got one? >> we had one for year. and >> we had one for a year. and like people, suffered from like many people, suffered from range anxiety, you know, and it was brilliant for going around town, not brilliant for going on a run in. i think the big problem we're going to face in a couple of time when those couple of years time when those batteries, which are some the batteries, which are some of the least things to produce so least green things to produce so start needing replacing and they're going to be six, seven, £8,000. they can't be recycled they're going to be six, seven, £8.000. they can't be recycled . £8,000. they can't be recycled. i think people are going to get some very big hefty bills on their electric cars because they don't last forever. and i think the thing about electric the great thing about electric cars, create zero cars, they create zero emissions. thing is when emissions. the bad thing is when you're driving, emissions. the bad thing is when you're driving , when they're you're driving, when they're being made, there's no emissions coming out of the tailpipe. so from that point view, they're coming out of the tailpipe. so from tiat point view, they're coming out of the tailpipe. so from tiat poirthey'reew, they're coming out of the tailpipe. so from tiat poirthey're onehey're coming out of the tailpipe. so from tiat poirthey're one ofr're great. i think they're one of the least green cars to produce ,

the least green cars to produce, though. shipping these though. and shipping these batteries world. though. and shipping these bat so es world. though. and shipping these bat so heavy world. though. and shipping these bat so heavy as world. though. and shipping these bat so heavy as well world. though. and shipping these bat so heavy as well .'orld. >> so heavy as well. >> so heavy as well. >> they're very heavy. they are . >> they're very heavy. they are. i think there are some clever hybnds i think there are some clever hybrids coming around now. i hybrids coming around now. and i think what the sort of normal motor manufacturers are doing with petrol and really clean diesel is making them super efficient. i think there's a better hybrid solution . i think better hybrid solution. i think personally i think, than because obviously if everyone got an electric car, it wouldn't work out. all these wires hanging oh off, awful. >> awful. >> awful. >> trip hazard. >> just a trip hazard. >> just a trip hazard. >> somebody near my >> i've seen somebody near my house the wire and it house who gets the wire and it goes out from window goes out from his window and i just one time just actually there's one time when saw him just when i saw him do it, i just sucked my teeth. i go, that's terrible. doctor fox, terrible. scary doctor fox, thank you very much for joining me . really good to you. me. really good to talk to you. nice to you, too. that nice to talk to you, too. that is, of course, legendary tv presenter presenter is, of course, legendary tv presenthhis presenter is, of course, legendary tv presenthhis gb presenter is, of course, legendary tv presenthhis gb preseifer dr. fox. this is gb news. if you've just in, welcome on you've just tuned in, welcome on board. coming up to 20 board. it's just coming up to 20 18 after 5:00 on the 18 minutes after 5:00 on the way. bringing you the way. i'll be bringing you the latest on the conflict between israel we'll also latest on the conflict between israelyou we'll also latest on the conflict between israelyou all we'll also latest on the conflict between israelyou all of we'll also latest on the conflict between israelyou all of those ll also latest on the conflict between israelyou all of those updates bring you all of those updates and we'll go live, hopefully and get touch with charlie get in touch with charlie peters, who's in aviv. but

peters, who's in tel aviv. but next time the great next up, it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, the electric car asking, is the electric car dream first, get dream over? but first, let's get an update your. dream over? but first, let's get an update your . weather an update with your. weather >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey, who of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office ? there is by the met office? there is a fine couple of days for fine couple of days ahead for many of there's a lot of many of us and there's a lot of nice conditions around throughout the of this throughout the rest of this afternoon well. afternoon and evening as well. the have across the showers we do have across northern be easing the showers we do have across northa'n be easing the showers we do have across northa touch be easing the showers we do have across northa touch might be easing the showers we do have across northa touch might i:someing back a touch might see some isolated patches isolated mist and fog patches forming and forming overnight as well. and temperatures will certainly be dropping of us once dropping off many of us once again. chilly night on again. another chilly night on the low to mid single the cards, low to mid single figures of our towns and figures in many of our towns and cities . but a of frost is cities. but a touch of frost is certainly possible in some rural areas well. may well areas as well. so you may well need some extra layers as you start off the day on monday morning , we'll be touch more morning, we'll be a touch more cloud monday compared cloud around on monday compared to we seen throughout to what we have seen throughout this skies bit this weekend. so skies a bit milkier sunshine in milkier and sunshine hazier in places , but some sunshine trying places, but some sunshine trying to way through and to poke its way through and still for most of still largely dry for most of us. just into us. showers just fringing into the far south—east of the very far south—east of england. see some

england. might still see some across northern scotland as well, be well, where it will be a breezier day. the winds also strengthening across southwest england. up by england. temperatures up by a degree or so in a few places. generally around 11 to 13 c. as this rain in south—west, this rain in the south—west, though, of things to though, is a signal of things to come. area of low pressure come. this area of low pressure will be gradually pushing its way northwards as we head throughout week. throughout the rest of the week. high pressure tuesday, high pressure on tuesday, though, far though, clinging on to the far north—east. scotland a north—east. so scotland after a pretty chilly start, seeing a decent of sunshine decent amount of sunshine throughout the day. elsewhere, this of cloud will be this shield of cloud will be pushing its way northwards as we start developing start to see gales developing across wales across parts of wales and southwest and rain southwest england. and this rain will then start spreading its way head way northwards as we head throughout wednesday and thursday, very in thursday, perhaps very heavy in places. that's all for now.

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cut ev production by up to 480,000. this follows rishi sunak decision to delay the ban on all new petrol and diesel cars until 2035, a decision critics argue will harm the electric car industry . so for electric car industry. so for the great british debate, this houn the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking is the electric car dream over? well joining me to discuss, jim dale, senior meteorologist at the british weather services, andrew montford. he's the director of net zero. watch and quentin wilson, motoring journalist wilson, the motoring journalist and right . so wilson, the motoring journalist and right. so i'm going to and star right. so i'm going to start with you, quentin. the electric car dream. i know you're quite passionate about them. a few of them. them. you've had a few of them. talk to me about whether you think a flourishing dream think it's a flourishing dream or whether think it's or whether you think it's actually over. or whether you think it's act|no,r over. or whether you think it's act| no, it'ser. or whether you think it's act|no, it's going fine. >> no, it's going fine. >> no, it's going fine. >> i mean, this this war between the eu and the uk on what's known as the rules of origin , known as the rules of origin, they'll sort this out. >> i mean , it applies as much to >> i mean, it applies as much to germany as it does to us. >> i mean, they imported 2 million cars into the uk. >> we were one the biggest m arkets. >> so markets. >> so they would be committing

an of mutual self an act of mutual self destruction if they they go, go through with this. >> so i can see the eu and the uk sorting this out and not allowing all those chinese cars to come into the uk and sweep our market away. so so this isn't the end. and look, you drive around, you look on the roads , there are millions now . roads, there are millions now. it's 1.5 roads, there are millions now. it's1.5 million roads, there are millions now. it's 1.5 million electric cars it's1.5 million electric cars in the uk driving around quite happily and people like them and they're not. as dr. fox said, they're not. as dr. fox said, the batteries failing regularly . the batteries failing regularly. they're not. and you can recycle them. 95% of them can be recycled . and the content they recycled. and the content they are working very well . that fire are working very well. that fire at luton airport wasn't caused by an ev. so, you know , we just by an ev. so, you know, we just need to understand that there's a large body of people out there globally as well as in the uk who drive evs and they work really, really well , but they're really, really well, but they're very expensive. >> quinton and i mean, they have been i've seen one that just literally caught fire on the drive no real reason. it

drive for no real reason. it wasn't switched was wasn't even switched on. it was plugged they're very plugged in and they're very difficult out. that's difficult to put out. that's a problem with isn't i problem with them, isn't it? i mean, you do if, say, mean, what do you do if, say, if there's motonnay with there's a motonnay fire with with a load of those? you just wait finishes burning wait till it finishes burning or what? put one out for wait till it finishes burning or whe record put one out for wait till it finishes burning or whe record , put one out for wait till it finishes burning or whe record , we put one out for wait till it finishes burning or whe record , we havejt one out for wait till it finishes burning or whe record , we have 100,000t for wait till it finishes burning or whe record , we have 100,000 carr the record, we have 100,000 car fires in the uk every year. >> last year it was about 243 evs. so it's a tiny proportion of the entire car park battery technology has improving, so you won't have things like cobalt in batteries. they won't be. so you'll have lithium, lithium , you'll have lithium, lithium, iron phosphate batteries which don't catch fire as readily and the fire service is learning how to do this . you know, this is at to do this. you know, this is at the infancy of technology . so, the infancy of technology. so, you know, i keep saying to you know, as i keep saying to you know, as i keep saying to you a on a regular you on a on a on a regular basis, let's not shoot it down and destroy because and destroy it, because ultimately it's good for jobs, it's good for uk , it's good it's good for the uk, it's good for air quality and it's good for air quality and it's good for energy security and quite soon we're going to see oil go through the roof. >> look, get andrew >> well, look, let's get andrew montfort in there. he's a director zero. watch

director at net zero. watch andrew, hello. >> yeah, i mean , there's a >> yeah, i mean, there's a there's a few things there . i there's a few things there. i think what quentin said about bad batteries improving is true , bad batteries improving is true, but there is a major problem with ev batteries in that they do set on fire spontaneously and in particular they do that when the car is parked . now petrol the car is parked. now petrol and diesel engines do also burst into flames. >> it tends to be when the car's moving and therefore it's not going to cause damages damage to anything else. >> so there is an issue there and i think that also applies to hybnds and i think that also applies to hybrids to come back to your your original question, though, is the ev dream over ? um, is the ev dream over? um, certainly. i think if we get an extra £6,000 on on the cost of an ev, then yes, it almost certainly is over because they're, they're you know, they're, they're you know, they're a toy for rich people at they're a toy for rich people at the moment. they're very, very expensive. even once you take

into account the subsidy . but into account the subsidy. but there are a whole lot more problems coming down the line that are going to make it very , that are going to make it very, very difficult for evs to expand the most important one and one thatis the most important one and one that is not talked about very much is that the capacity on the distribution grid, that's the electricity wires through our towns and villages. they don't have the capacity for everybody to have an ev, so essentially, if we want the ev dream to continue , then we're going to continue, then we're going to have to dig up every single urban road in the uk. and that is going to cost the most extraordinary amount of money, which we just don't have at the moment. >> jim dell's rolling his eyes at the prospect of digging up all the streets in the uk. i mean, come on, why are you rolling your eyes? >> my eyes because >> i'm rolling my eyes because it's not true, that's why. well, of it is. of course it is. >> are you going to put the >> how are you going to put the charging stuff? charging points in and stuff? they're to dig up they're going to have to dig up the streets. just the streets. you can't just stick temporarily. stick them temporarily. >> just >> yeah, you just said it's just it's exploding

it's just exploding something that probably not going to exist. >> you the evolution of >> we you know, the evolution of electric cars, of hybrids. i listen to dr. fox as well, who talks a lot of sense in this. one mention, by the one would not mention, by the way. remember i'm way. and remember, i'm a meteorologist climate meteorologist lower climate changing gases is the is the be all and end all as far as why we're going in the electric electric version. yeah, there is a halfway house. it's hybrid. i drive a hybrid car. um i think there's no stopping this. i think i think we're at around about 15% of all cars now are electric. yes there is. and there will be problems along the way that need to be solved. the same problems that occurred with petrol and diesel cars in their infancy and still and they blaze , as quentin's already said. um, you know, i tell you what quentin said, i talks a lot of sense. he knows the industry and from just from a purely pollution point of view and climate changing point of view , climate changing point of view, this is the direction of travel. and it doesn't matter what andrew says in supporting the

fossil fuel industry, which is what he's doing , this is coming what he's doing, this is coming and despite the problems with brexit and with johnson's meddling around with that and has left us in a little bit of a difficult situation. but quincy is right, that will be got over. that's a for the politicians to get over and it will be. >> well, you say this is a direction of travel, but if people don't have 60 the extra money i mean, what's one evs about moment? an about 44 grand at the moment? an extra grand making about 50 extra six grand making about 50 grand. i don't 50. i can't grand. i don't have 50. i can't afford i'm going stick afford one. i'm going to stick with c1 you know with my citroen. c1 you know what? sorry quentin, go. >> yeah, quentin , you go here. >> yeah, quentin, you go here. >> yeah, quentin, you go here. >> i mean, andrew's made a couple of points here. there are no subsidies for electric cars anymore. diesel cars? absolutely. catch fire when they're standing still. the vauxhalls are fairer. vauxhall had huge recall on that. had to do a huge recall on that. and when we're seeing and you know, when we're seeing these things on national television, be of these things on national televisi the facts and nana , you know, the facts and nana, you know, electric cars, second hand electric cars, second hand electric cars, second hand electric cars are now at parity with combustion cars. they're coming down all the time. 20,

you say £44,000. you can buy a fantastic electric cars brand new for 25 grand. yeah, but what would the range be? >> give me a good car. an electric car for 25 grand. that will get me a decent range because it'll be like the cheapskate version. that won't get me far . get me far. >> it'll be 250, 260 miles. it'll be as good as a tesla. well, like what car give me an example, because you know your cars. >> give me an example of a car that could really, really good car. >> which one don't you know? these. these are great. great cars. sadly, they're made in china . so, you know, you'll china. so, you know, you'll you'll have to buy. but that doesn't mean to say the quality is worse than than cars made is any worse than than cars made in germany and in america with tesla. so look let's let's all understand that we need to get this right before we start rubbishing this whole energy transition , which is going to be transition, which is going to be really great for jobs, for our children, for air quality and for energy security . we cannot for energy security. we cannot carry on burning oil.

>> but you say air quality is air quality where you are when you're driving the car. but the carbon footprint of the electric carbon footprint of the electric car is huge. andrew i mean, surely you're better off with, you know, running down your actual car now than buying an ev and being forced to do that because carbon footprint because the carbon footprint to even then all even make one and then get all the components is massive, isn't it? >> yeah. the the mathematics on this is highly dispute. there are a lot of people who say that the carbon footprint of building an ev is so high that it takes, you know, a decade or more to sort of repay that carbon debt. >> that's true . >> that's true. >> that's true. >> there's also very big air quality issues with particulates coming off the tires of evs because evs are much heavier than their petrol and diesel equivalents that i don't think that that is disputed . i don't that that is disputed. i don't think it's as big an issue as some people say. but you know, the fact remains that, you know, jim, jim sort of rolls his eyes

and says it's not true. that that the grid won't take it. it is true. you know , the grid is is true. you know, the grid is sized on 1 or 2kw per house. okay? now, if you have a six kilowatt ev charger in every house, you're going to blow the grid . i speak to people within grid. i speak to people within the grid who are telling me that this major issue that this is a major issue and that they having to put in they are having to put in remedial. >> i'm running out of time, chris. i'll give you 10s >> i'm running out of time, chris. i'll give you 105 quentin to because i'm actually to return because i'm actually going trouble now. so going to get in trouble now. so quinn andrew, quinn in 10s quickly, andrew, speak people at national grid speak to people at national grid as well. >> they unquestionably as well. >> national unquestionably as well. >> national grid,|nquestionably as well. >> national grid,|nqunationaly not national grid, not national grid . not national grid, not national grignational is the >> national grid is the transmission grid. talking transmission grid. i'm talking about grid. about the distribution grid. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> positivity. >> positivity. >> i'm to going have to go. this is the this is this is only just getting good. but i've got to go to the news. but thank you so much, bamford, director much, andrew bamford, director of wilson, of net zero. quentin wilson, motorists of net zero. quentin wilson, mot dale, of net zero. quentin wilson, motdale, senior meteorologist, jim dale, senior meteorologist, thank for your thank you so much for your views. what do you views. always good. what do you think electric think though is the electric car dream over? you to buy dream over? are you going to buy one? think so. this one? i don't think so. this is gb on tv, online on

gb news on tv, online and on digital we continue digital radio. we will continue with british debate. with the great british debate. and is the electric and i'm asking, is the electric car you'll the car dream over? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton danny kelly. but hamilton and danny kelly. but first, let's get your latest news polly . nana. news with polly. nana. >> thank you. and good evening to you. well, let's start this update with some breaking news. we've just seen pictures of king abdullah of jordan travelling from the middle east to london to meet prime minister rishi sunak. show those pictures from downing street, if we can. here they are , a hearty handshake they are, a hearty handshake from the prime minister to king abdullah of jordan. this coming as after a further round of talks by world leaders with others that they all try to inject diplomacy into the conflict between israel and hamas. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, just paying state, antony blinken, just paying a visit within the last couple of days to the crown prince mohammed bin salman in saudi arabia on his visit to riyadh and he's just left egypt following talks there about the

rafah crossing from gaza to egypt. he was speaking actually in cairo, underlining the four key objectives, the united states has been addressing in talks with leaders in the region. firstly he repeated the us's position that it stands by israel as well as expressing the hope the conflict would not spill over into other parts of the region. he also said the us was working to affect the release of israeli hostages taken by hamas as well as ensuring that humanitarian crisis in gaza does not worsen. he also said that the rafah crossing between egypt and gaza will be reopened. we haven't heard other than from reuters that that is the case. we are trying to get that firmed up for you. but certainly if that happens, that will be a big development in southern gaza as it will mean most of the population will be able to flee somewhere safe . but it comes somewhere safe. but it comes after today's news that the european union's national leaders will back israel's right to defend itself . they said, to defend itself. they said, as long it's line with long as it's in line with humanitarian and international

law. meanwhile israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu and the us president joe biden, have both agreed to renew water suppues both agreed to renew water supplies to parts of southern gaza. supplies to parts of southern gaza . and the united nations has gaza. and the united nations has warned the hospitals filled with wounded victims will run out of fuel and supplies in the next couple of as mr netanyahu couple of days as mr netanyahu convened his emergency council to prepare for what he called the demolishing of hamas in gaza. a spokesman for the idf told gb news it is continuing to let people in northern gaza move away from their homes to safety . away from their homes to safety. well, as far as uk nationals are concerned, for government flights, we understand carrying britons have left israel today. two more are expected later . the two more are expected later. the foreign office is telling british citizens in gaza to be ready in case that rafah border crossing with egypt is opened as hinted at by the us secretary of state, antony blinken earlier . state, antony blinken earlier. it is currently the only route out of the territory and here

the foreign secretary james cleverly telling us at gb news the uk government is doing everything it can to get british people trapped in gaza safe passage out . well, here in the passage out. well, here in the uk, hundreds of people have been gathering at a vigil in central london to commemorate the israeli victims of the hamas terror attack. many draped in israeli flags were holding posters saying bring them home and flyers were handed out featuring the names and faces of those taken hostage by hamas. there was a strong police presence in the area. it took place in westminster , in central place in westminster, in central london. meanwhile, the metropolitan police said is urgently viewing content posted onune urgently viewing content posted online following a pro—palestinian protest in central london, which happened yesterday . the force has yesterday. the force has released a picture of two women. they're looking for those two women were displaying contentious images of paragliders, said to glorify hamas and the paragliders who first attacked israel last saturday. the demonstration was

mainly peaceful without major issue, but 15 people were arrested , the police said, as arrested, the police said, as pockets of disorder broke out later on. well, more on all those stories are available by heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you, polly. well, coming up, we'll reflect on some of the heartbreaking scenes we're seeing in israel and the human impact, which can often get lost. but next up, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is the car over this the electric car dream over this is

gb news. the people's . channel gb news. the people's. channel >> so just coming up to 42 minutes after 5:00, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. have you joined us? welcome have you just joined us? welcome on board. there's so much happening here. keep happening here. we'll keep you updated that's updated with everything that's going israel well. but going on in israel as well. but it's to return to it's time now to return to the great debate hour. great british debate this hour. and the electric and i'm asking, is the electric car dream over ? now, motoring car dream over? now, motoring industry warned that industry bosses have warned that the electric cars could the price of electric cars could increase a £6,000. increase by a further £6,000. that is, if rishi sunak fails to reach a new deal with the eu on tariffs . the prime minister is tariffs. the prime minister is reportedly pushing the european commission the commission to delay the implementation of new post—brexit rules due to post—brexit trading rules due to come force in january 2024. come into force in january 2024. however brussels has so far shown no signs of leaving or budging, leaving manufacturers facing the prospect of 10% tariffs on car exports,

something that the trade commission says could cut ev production by up to 480,000. and all this follows rishi sunak decision to delay the ban of all new petrol and diesel cars until 2035. a lot of people say this could harm the ev industry, so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is the electric car dream over? well, to discuss, i'm joined by my panel to discuss, i'm joined by my panel, broadcaster and journalist kelly and journalist danny kelly and author broadcaster christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton. i see danny kelly hamilton. i can see danny kelly chomping at bit get into chomping at the bit to get into this scotland. chomping at the bit to get into this scotlit's. chomping at the bit to get into this scotlit's nice get on the >> well, it's nice to get on the telly afternoon telly this afternoon. >> the it's all about you , the dream. >> you're the expert on cars, danny for goodness sake. >> okay, let's start with a dig. >> okay, let's start with a dig. >> look, let's move on. >> look, let's move on. >> the dream is a reality. whether a nice dream or whether it's a nice dream or whether it's a nightmare, it's reality. >> we are going to get there personally , i was pleased with personally, i was pleased with rishi delaying ban rishi sunak delaying the ban on petrol diesel . petrol and diesel. >> so with some unity with the rest european rest of the european union, everyone i know who drives electric cars absolutely loves them. i need to just be fair and objective. i like him. i'm objective. i don't like him. i'm

a used dealer. quentin was a used car dealer. quentin was correct. i've come down in price a lot and that's because they're universally unpopular as a second product. okay. second hand product. okay. petrol diesel cars the petrol and diesel cars over the last months levelled out last 12 months have levelled out or gone up maybe half a % teslas or gone up maybe half a% teslas have gone down 40. there's have gone down 35, 40. there's a reason for that because they'll only sell on price people unless you can afford buy a brand only sell on price people unless you can .andd buy a brand only sell on price people unless you can .and you'reiy a brand only sell on price people unless you can .and you're probablyi new one and you're probably going a charging point going to have a charging point outside detached house, outside your detached house, then buying a leaky car. then you're buying a leaky car. generally speaking, don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin lly speaking, don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin a/ speaking, don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin a leakyking, don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin a leaky car|, don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin a leaky car|, you don't then you're buying a leaky car. gengin a leaky car|, you live. then you're buying a leaky car. geia n a leaky car|, you live. then you're buying a leaky car. geia n a 10th/ car|, you live. then you're buying a leaky car. geia n a 10th/ car|,of ou live. then you're buying a leaky car. geia n a 10th/ car|,of a] live. then you're buying a leaky car. geia n a 10th/ car|,of a council flat. >> i know if you live in a cable dragging, dropping down, if you're living on the 10th floor of flat, you won't be of a council flat, you won't be able to afford one unless. of a council flat, you won't be abl unless.)rd one unless. of a council flat, you won't be abl unless. but ne unless. of a council flat, you won't be ablunless. but ne lpoint. of a council flat, you won't be ablunless. but ne lpoint is, is >> unless. but my point is, is to illustrate impact reality to illustrate the impact reality of an electric car. you of owning an electric car. you know, a terraced know, you can live on a terraced house you've private house unless you've got private parking your house, then parking outside your house, then you're to one. you're not going to buy one. i promise going to promise you, you're not going to buy there was promise you, you're not going to buy guy there was promise you, you're not going to buy guy in there was promise you, you're not going to buy guy in charge there was promise you, you're not going to buy guy in charge of there was promise you, you're not going to buy guy in charge of 49 re was a the guy in charge of 49 service stations motonnay service stations or motonnay service stations or motonnay service having to service stations is having to employ people at these pumps. i'll call them pumps to stop people fighting over the car and charging charger rates. >> so look it, jim and quentin

are looking through rose tinted glasses. >> they can afford to have. i bet you quentin lives in a lovely detached house as probably does jim. although jim's got a hybrid , quentin can jim's got a hybrid, quentin can afford 70 and 80 grand. tesla quentin can afford his own personal charging . and quentin personal charging. and quentin is the car is a lucky guy. the used car market, unpopular. market, they're very unpopular. and generally speaking, they're just unpopular all round . just unpopular all round. >> well, you just said you've just come around from what you said start, christine . said at the start, christine. >> what? >> what? >> come round because of >> danny's come round because of the said he doesn't the start. he said he doesn't know anybody who's not happy with know anybody who's not happy witi people and know anybody who's not happy witipeople and on about >> people go on and on about them being climate friendly, etcetera. >> well, a petrol or diesel >> well, a petrol or a diesel car costs to of co2 car costs 7 to 8 tonnes of co2 to make an electric car costs about the same. but you then have to add in the cost of the battery and we'll overlook for a moment all the lithium farming, mining, etcetera , and the mining, etcetera, and the terrible conditions, etcetera, etcetera. the fact all etcetera. and the fact that all these metals , they these precious metals, they don't come from our part of the world. >> america produces 2% of the lithium of the world. >> all comes from places like china, which is not a good place

to have one of your main raw materials . and by time materials. and by the time you've that another you've added in that another nine tonnes. so your electric car is actually 16 to nearly 20 tonnes of co2 emissions. so they're not that brilliant to start with. >> people were getting these massive grants, okay, they've stopped the grants . stopped the grants. >> now you can still get a grant for an electric van, you can still get a grant an still get a grant for an electric bicycle . by the way, i electric bicycle. by the way, i remember the days when we had electric milk floats. >> i remember them as well. >> i remember them as well. >> the fastest milkman in the benny hill when they were brilliant for little brilliant vehicles for little around town deliveries . but around the town deliveries. but i crazy to think that i think it's crazy to think that you can have them all over the country. look at the vast swathes the lake district, swathes of the lake district, scotland, wales, etcetera. >> you're never, ever, ever talking about the lake district. >> was six queues >> there was six hour queues last day with tesla last boxing day with tesla drivers trying to get down south. a pal of mine went to edinburgh his family, had edinburgh with his family, had to air conditioning to turn the air conditioning off because he was running out of. >> all scared. that's >> they're all scared. that's that's gritty of that's the gritty reality of people i've got to people saying, oh, i've got to switch oh, switch the heating off. oh, is switching and switching things off to try and keep going. the reality

keep the car going. the reality of electric cars, at least with a or a diesel car, you a petrol or a diesel car, you know, got? know, how many miles you've got? oh, carry the oh, you can just carry the little little can and little extra, little can and fill not fill it up. but listen, it's not just it's just not it's just sorry, it's just not it's not just going affect just not just going to affect us just because been on because they haven't been on they haven't been on for a bit. so they're just getting isn't just going quiet, you just going to be quiet, you quiet. woman this quiet. woman talking. woman this says woman car says nothing without woman car manufacture as this is manufacture as well. this is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to on show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. of you. discussing. i've got two of you. let's going to start let's see, i'm going to start with ford in bedfordshire. with julie ford in bedfordshire. julie, is the julie, what do you think is the dream certainly got dream over? you've certainly got your hands full with them today. i know. honestly i think the dream is over to be honest with you. >> unless we can start really bringing the price down of electric cars, it's they're. most of them are way too expensive for the average household. we still having a cost of living crisis . cost of living crisis. electricity costs aren't coming down. and as christine's already said, the co2 to make an

electric car is just devastating compared to petrol and diesel. and i have to agree with danny, you know, to be able to buy a cheap run—around is what most people need. exactly. and i know that the cars are, you know , that the cars are, you know, coming down in price, quinton said 25,000. but how big is that car? >> is that going to fit your average family? >> oh, no. it's going to be a tiny, tiny car. what about you, adam neely? you agree me? tiny, tiny car. what about you, adeafternoon you agree me? tiny, tiny car. what about you, adeafternoon .'ou agree me? tiny, tiny car. what about you, adeafternoon . nana ree me? tiny, tiny car. what about you, adeafternoon . nana think me? tiny, tiny car. what about you, adeafternoon . nana think they 5? >> afternoon. nana think they did the dream ever get started ? did the dream ever get started? now? i think this is another con, and i just don't think that they're going to take off everything that you read about them or hear about them is all pretty negative. so they're not a solution. certainly in their current state, if they get , you current state, if they get, you know, a better battery or something like that, maybe. but i wouldn't have one, to be quite honest . and i i wouldn't have one, to be quite honest. and i don't i wouldn't have one, to be quite honest . and i don't know anyone honest. and i don't know anyone who would. >> no, no. i'm with you on that as well. julie ford and alan mcneely, thank you very much. great to have your company.

really to if really good to talk to them. if you're coming to really good to talk to them. if yot minutes coming to really good to talk to them. if yot minutes after coming to really good to talk to them. if yot minutes after five ming to really good to talk to them. if yot minutes after five now, to 49 minutes after five now, i want return now the want to return now to the situation in israel. it's just heartbreaking. have heartbreaking. this could have been any us in the wrong been any one of us in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that's struck a that's why it struck such a chord. now, youngsters enjoying youth friends, celebrating chord. now, youngsters enjoying yo a h friends, celebrating chord. now, youngsters enjoying yo a kibbutz.iends, celebrating chord. now, youngsters enjoying yo a kibbutz.iends,had>brating chord. now, youngsters enjoying yo a kibbutz.iends,had nothing at a kibbutz. they had nothing to do the fighting. the to do with the fighting. the image beautiful german image of that beautiful german woman lifeless the woman who looked lifeless on the back body back of that truck, her body contorted in inhuman shape. contorted in an inhuman shape. reports are that she's still alive, with head injuries. alive, but with head injuries. and true, her and if that's true, then her life changed forever. life will be changed forever. and , of course, awful and that baby, of course, awful pictures. who'd been only months old riddled with bullets. what kind people do that? kind of people would do that? who would think of such a thing? now, remember, this was without warning, yet israel sick and tired of the constant fighting retaliate, demanding hamas return. now sending return. hostages are now sending their troops into booby trapped gaza. their troops into booby trapped gaza . a deadly desperate mission gaza. a deadly desperate mission in international law. a country has a right itself, has a right to defend itself, but and i'm not qualified to sort of determine the level of response that i'd be a hypocrite if my heart didn't go out to the innocent citizens who also innocent citizens who will also die in gaza the israeli

die in gaza due to the israeli strikes . but what we have to strikes. but what we have to remember is hamas, a terrorist organisation and they are the problem. like groups like boko haram and isis. these are problem. like groups like boko haram and isis . these are death haram and isis. these are death cults with no empathy for human life. i want to get a view on my panel because i never got a chance to talk about earlier. chance to talk about it earlier. i to danny first. i want to go to danny first. >> danny, i'm really worried about escalation potential >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. escalation potential >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. i escalation potential >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. i thinklation potential >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. i think what potential >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. i think what israel tial >> danny, i'm really worried abthis. i think what israel has of this. i think what israel has done collectively done when they have collectively punished million people, punished 2 million people, i think is scandalous. think that is scandalous. i think that is scandalous. i think united states are think the united states are worried about it. they've sent two warships over to the mediterranean . the british have mediterranean. the british have sent a military presence over to the there is . so the mediterranean. there is. so hang on. >> you're starting with israel punishing people, not people punishing people, not the people who've hamas that who've gone in the hamas that they're get of. they're trying to get rid of. >> how >> no, i'm worried about how israel are now trying to sort this problem out. and my initial objection is the fact that they seem to have collectively punished by cutting off electricity, fuel , electricity, water, fuel, energy, going in and out their demanding that 1.1 million people flee down south well, so they can fight and find hamas. >> yes, i understand. and so

they're telling them that we want when know want to fight now, when know they've had the iron dome on protectingthey've been coming missiles. they've been coming from years. and from gaza for many years. and finally, impromptu finally, after an impromptu attack this manner, they've attack in this manner, they've decided we're going stop decided we're going to stop this. decided we're going to stop thisthat's correct. but my >> that's correct. but but my concern last concern now, that was last week's news. concern is week's news. my concern now is the potential escalation in the potential for escalation in what you're supposed to do, what the face of whatever the bbc think it is a massive terrorist. >> no, no, i agree. >> no, no, i agree. >> they should go in and wipe out the hamas military. >> that's what they're trying to do. trying to people >> that's what they're trying to do. don't trying to people >> that's what they're trying to do. don't havelg to people >> that's what they're trying to do. don't havelg problem eople that. >> i go to my point. i said >> i go back to my point. i said two it's the two minutes ago, it's about the escalation. it's about them bombing lebanon. it's about american. >> well, depends if lebanon. >> well, it depends if lebanon. well, lebanon well, it depends if lebanon wants to get involved and backed by them to by iran, we don't want them to do that. christine, what do do that. but christine, what do you mean, you think? well, i mean, the whole been tinderbox whole area has been a tinderbox for lifetime and for my entire lifetime and everybody's entire lifetime, frankly. >> and one of the awful i mean, the jews have been persecuted since time immemorial. the jews have been persecuted since time immemorial . and there since time immemorial. and there were people who were killed and have now been captured by

hezbollah who survived the holocaust. >> and i mean, just sorry, hamas just fancy that it is inexplicable. >> and i think, yes , of course, >> and i think, yes, of course, the most horrendous horror is about to be inflicted on people in gaza now. >> but what are the israelis supposed to do? they have given people a chance to leave. are they supposed to just say this was terrible, but we're not going to do anything about it? and of course, there will be collective what are collective terror. but what are they supposed to do? >> they have no choice, in my view. >> no choice. well thank you for your thoughts. i'm glad you got to tell me where you stand on it because it's very difficult situation just join me. situation if you just join me. it's coming 53 it's just coming up to 53 minutes 5:00. is gb minutes after 5:00. this is gb news nana akua. and it's time now for supplements sunday. this is panel is where my panel and i discussed the news discussed some of the news stories caught their eye. stories that caught their eye. christine you've got one. it's about michael, michael about michael, sir. michael caine announcing retirement from film . film. >> just thought this was film. >> a just thought this was film. >> a heartwarmingght this was film. >> a heartwarming story. s was was a heartwarming story. >> my goodness, don't we >> and my goodness, don't we need that? >> there's lovely here >> there's a lovely picture here in michael caine in the express of michael caine

and have and glenda jackson, who have both in this new film, both starred in this new film, the escape , which is based the great escape, which is based on a story of a dunkirk on a true story of a dunkirk veteran who escaped from his care home to go over and join the commemorations. care home to go over and join the anyway, norations. care home to go over and join the anyway,norationscaine , glenda >> anyway, michael caine, glenda jackson has died. jackson has sadly died. >> it was her last film. >> so it was her last film. michael caine has announced at the age of 90 that he's throwing in the towel. i mean, films, in the towel. i mean, his films, i zulu , for example, alfie i mean, zulu, for example, alfie , and on it goes. i mean, what an amazing the italian job. what an amazing the italian job. what an amazing the italian job. what an amazing it's supposed to blow the doors off the square , the doors off the square, swearing you're not supposed to swear. >> sorry that 70 years in the business anyway . business anyway. >> happy retirement, sir michael. >> good for him. >> good for him. >> he's 90. i'm coming back to london on wednesday. my father's 90th birthday, having afternoon tea the ritz, coming back to tea at the ritz, coming back to the lovely . okay. my sunday the lovely. okay. my sunday supplement race riot breaks out over arsenal women's team photo after criticised shocking after fans criticised shocking and concerning lack of diversity in an all white squad. now listen . the last meritocracy . he listen. the last meritocracy. he is professional sports and professional athletes. so

arsenal women have only white players and they're they're having their photo shop photos taken and it's just white. it's a sea of white faces. and people on twitter have said it's wrong. there should be someone black or brown, i'm brown, a person of colour. i'm sorry. but if a black or a brown woman isn't good enough to play for arsenal, then she doesn't make as simple as that. >> and the thing is, women's football, there aren't so many women at moment. women doing it at the moment. it's thing to it's quite a new thing to actually have it and, you know, properly would actually have it and, you know, pro;that, would actually have it and, you know, pro;that, you would actually have it and, you know, pro;that, you know, would actually have it and, you know, pro;that, you know, and would actually have it and, you know, pro;that, you know, and then ld actually have it and, you know, pro;that, you know, and then the say that, you know, and then the amount people, amount of black people, there are you're not are two white people, you're not as have people of as likely to have more people of colour so i think it's colour in there. so i think it's a time thing. it's an evolution. it'll time. it'll take time. >> know, example, >> do we know, for example, because england >> do we know, for example, becalwas england >> do we know, for example, becalwas was england >> do we know, for example, becalwas was criticised, england >> do we know, for example, becalwas was criticised, weren't|d team was was criticised, weren't they? >> had black people >> and they had black people in their maybe their reserve teams who maybe arsenal has in reserve team, arsenal has in the reserve team, but no they don't. >> the whole squad white. >> the whole squad is white. >> the whole squad is white. >> know. i'm >> well, i don't know. i'm basically country. basically a white country. well, our is i would say our royal family is i would say that i'd pick the best players for the job. it might. it might. it might look that there it might look perhaps that there could in some could be more investment in some of but don't of those areas. but i don't really that any really think that that's any barometer because

really think that that's any barom look because really think that that's any barom look at because really think that that's any barom look at the because really think that that's any barom look at the athletics:ause if you look at the athletics teams, most of them are all black nobody anything, black and nobody says anything, right? now right? but to my supplement now you're it. you're better at it. >> exactly. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> best say the >> the best player. i say the best people for the job. but my supplement now, this one that supplement now, this is one that deliberately supplement now, this is one that delibthe ely supplement now, this is one that delibthe labour party. someone from the labour party. someone run gender pronoun run by the wrong gender pronoun may in jail two may land you in jail for two years labour party . years under the labour party. no. yeah. >> what is he talking about? >> what is he talking about? >> that's what >> yeah. yeah, that's what they're she they're saying. what is she talking about? misgendering talking about? so misgendering somebody . somebody. >> sorry, christine. somebody. >> misgendering e. she's >> misgendering you. she's talking to me. pathetic attempt. pathetic bad. but what do pathetic bad. but yeah. what do you that? i mean i just you think of that? i mean i just call people if it's he is call people if it's a he is a he. if she is a she, i'm not playing the game. he. if she is a she, i'm not pla�*look,he game. he. if she is a she, i'm not pla�*look,he gamgwill a >> look, people will make a mistake anyway. >> this >> yeah. i presume this is coming hate speech and coming down to hate speech and things that. so look, i'm things like that. so look, i'm a polite guy. if someone wanted me to call a preferred to call them by a preferred pronoun, going to do that. pronoun, i'm going to do that. but i i to object but if i if i decided to object to it, i don't expect to be behind two years. behind bars for two years. >> you've >> and you, christine, you've got five seconds. >> same. >> exactly the same. >> exactly the same. >> if you wanted me to call you, he i would. >> if you wanted me to call you, he but iwould. >> if you wanted me to call you, he buti would. >> if you wanted me to call you, he but i thinkd. >> if you wanted me to call you, he but i think if i made >> but i think if i made a mistake and find yourself, there aren't prison anyway. >> kind five are >> what kind of five seconds are

those? right on today's show, i've jeremy i've been asking, is jeremy corbyn run for london corbyn fit to run for london mayor? and according to our twitter poll, 16% of you say yes. and astonishing 84. not even it's 84% of you say no, but we want him to run so we can get rid of khan, because rid of sadiq khan, because i say thank my panel thank you so much to my panel broadcast journalist danny broadcast and journalist danny kelly. you very kelly. danny, thank you very much. and much. and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. christine, much . christine, thank you so much. and thank you to you and as a huge thank you to you at home for your company, it's always a pleasure. listen, i will back. i will be back will be back. i will be back next week, same time, same place at 3:00 on saturday. take care of yourselves. and i look fonnard to seeing you then. of yourselves. and i look fonnarthe seeing you then. of yourselves. and i look fonnarthe week|g you then. of yourselves. and i look fonnarthe week . you then. enjoy the week. >> who is it? >> who is it? >> we're here for the show . for >> we're here for the show. for energy. this

beenin been in london. he's travelled from the middle east to london to meet the prime minister. rishi sunak in the last half an houn rishi sunak in the last half an hour. this comes after a further round of talks, crisis talks by world leaders with others to try to inject diplomacy into the conflict between israel and hamas. this was a short time ago.the hamas. this was a short time ago. the visit was short and sweet. we saw about five minutes

ago king abdullah leave