>> well, it's coming up to 9:00 on television on radio and onune on television on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my big opinion. why has the conflict in the middle east become left versus right? people are dying . what's right? people are dying. what's happening shouldn't become another chapter in the culture wars. after a number of their stars back, hamas and they refused to call them terrorists . refused to call them terrorists. we have the bbc let britain down over there. israel stance and it might take a ten. as the country's former top banker says , the push to decarbonise is getting too expensive. the crazy dream of net zero is running out of gas . to hours of big opinion, of gas. to hours of big opinion, big debate and plenty of entertainment along the way. in my big opinion, in two minutes time i will be calling out the

moral blindness of the woke left. you won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches . but i'm not pulling my punches. but first, here's the news and polly middleton . east middleton. east >> mark, thank you and good evening to you. will. the main news tonight is that the us secretary of state has said that the egyptian controlled rafah border crossing into gaza should reopen for aid to pass into gaza. he's fairly confident now . gaza. he's fairly confident now. he says the us is also working with egypt, israel and the united nations to get that assistance through that border point. hundreds of tonnes of aid from several countries have been waiting in egypt, sinai peninsula pending a deal for its safe delivery into gaza , safe delivery into gaza, together with the evacuation of some foreign passport holders through the crossing, egypt has said it's stepped up diplomatic efforts to break the impasse. israeli soldiers are now massing at the gaza border in preparation for their israeli

ground assault . and the prime ground assault. and the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, who has vowed to demolish hamas. anthony blinken says the us, though , will continue to stand though, will continue to stand with israel. >> what we're actually doing, including the deployment of these aircraft carrier battle groups , is again , not to provoke groups, is again, not to provoke anyone but to send a very clear message of deterrence that no one should do anything that widens this conflict in any way or that furthers aggression against israel from any other direction . direction. >> well, the prime minister and king abdullah of jordan have been speaking today about the diplomatic efforts to prevent further escalation in the wider middle east. earlier rishi sunak welcome. king abdullah to downing street. the two leaders shaking hands and agreeing on the importance of taking measures to protect civilians in gaza , including british and gaza, including british and jordanian citizens, caught up in the violence . this comes after the violence. this comes after a further round of crisis talks by

world leaders with others as they try to inject diplomacy into the conflict between israel and hamas . meanwhile, for and hamas. meanwhile, for government flights carrying britons have left israel today, two more are expected this evening to leave tel aviv. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah border crossing is open for more than aid . it's currently the only aid. it's currently the only route out of the territory. the foreign secretary james cleverly telling gb news the government is doing everything it can to get british people trapped in gaza out . and hundreds of people gaza out. and hundreds of people gathered at a vigil in central london today to commemorate israeli victims of the hamas terror attack . many were draped terror attack. many were draped in israeli flags , holding in israeli flags, holding posters saying bring them home. with flyers being handed out featuring names and faces of those taken hostage by hamas. a strong police presence was there, which took place in parliament square in london. now away from the israeli—hamas

conflict and onto sport, england are through to the last four of the rugby world cup . after an the rugby world cup. after an astonishing 3024 victory over fiji in their quarterfinal in marseille, steve borthwick's men now facing france or south africa in the tournament semi—finals that means england are now into the semis for the second world cup in a row year with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thanks polly. we'll see you in an hour. welcome to mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion , why has the conflict in the middle east become left versus right? people are dying. what's happening should not become another chapter in the culture wars . in the another chapter in the culture wars. in the big story. whilst israel has a right defend israel has a right to defend itself , what will flattening itself, what will flattening gaza and killing civilians

achieve will be joined by a senior israeli military captain live in the studio. also so after a number of their stars back hamas and they refuse to call them terrorists have the bbc let britain down over their israel stance ? this in my take israel stance? this in my take at ten as the country's former top banker says the push to decarbonise is getting too expensive. the crazy dream of net zero is running out of gas as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new trade deal. is britain having the last laugh? plus, are the government right to keep petty criminals out of prison and reform them instead ? are we reform them instead? are we asking former prisons minister politics legend ann widdecombe ? politics legend ann widdecombe? we've got tomorrow's front pages at 1030 sharp with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't. follow the script tonight . tonia follow the script tonight. tonia buxton, lord kulveer ranger, and nigel nelson . in tonight. i'll nigel nelson. in tonight. i'll be asking the pundits, is it

time to treat covid like a cold? is it wrong for modelling agencies to target refugee camps? and is boris johnson's ex—wife punishing him by joining the labour party ? plus, the most the labour party? plus, the most important part of the show , your important part of the show, your emails, they come straight to my laptop mark at gb news.com. this show has a golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. a big two hours to come. let's start with my big opinion. hours to come. let's start with my big opinion . why has my big opinion. why has everything got to be tribal these days? why is everything left versus right ? whether it's left versus right? whether it's climate change, lockdown , climate change, lockdown, vaccines, veganism , or even your vaccines, veganism, or even your preference or othennise ? for preference or othennise? for meghan markle and now we're seeing it with what's happening in the middle east. how can you take sides when innocent people are dying? well, that's exactly what we've seen since the horrific terror attack on israel last saturday. within hours, people were in this country on

the streets waving the palestinian flag . support for palestinian flag. support for palestine is perfectly understandable. in normal times as but in the aftermath of rape, child murder, the burning of bodies, the parading of corpses on the back of pickup trucks and following the annihilation of 260 people at a peace music festival. this flag waving was deeply offensive to jewish people and crushingly insane , people and crushingly insane, sensitive to the plight of innocent israelis. it can only have been perceived as support for hamas, who, unlike some of my colleagues in the media, i'm more than comfortable calling terrorists those waving flags was akin to marching on the streets and cheering on osama bin laden and al—qaeda after 9/11 and tacit support for the evil actions of hamas now seems to be predicated on your political leanings , particularly political leanings, particularly if you're on the left . don't if you're on the left. don't take my word for it. here is

ex—labour mp laura pidcock tweeting the following . she tweeting the following. she said, i hope every single mp who consider themselves left wing is out on the streets today in support of the palestinians in their gravest hour. we can do without them hiding behind the fear of keir starmer's reprisals . some things are more important . take a stand, she says , is . take a stand, she says, is just being left wing now mean that you accept the decapitation of babies , the burning alive of of babies, the burning alive of innocent people or the taking of a holocaust survivor as a hostage . is that taking one for hostage. is that taking one for the team? um, it's funny how these progressives like to call everyone they disagree with a but when confronted with actual behaviour , there's nothing to behaviour, there's nothing to see here. saint gary lineker referenced st 1930 germany in relation to suella braverman's rwanda plan , but has written not rwanda plan, but has written not a word about these atrocities . a word about these atrocities. and it's been a week now when i

come to the selective morality of the woke left. he did retweet a mealy mouthed statement from the premier league which failed to single out hamas or directly reference innocent israelis as now let me help people on both sides . two things can be true at sides. two things can be true at the same time that palestine should be a safe and peaceful place for everyone . and we can place for everyone. and we can also say that israel has suffered a horrific terror attack and has a right to defend itself . but sadly, in our itself. but sadly, in our bifurcated world, where division sells , you're either one or the sells, you're either one or the other to gloss over the genocide , which we saw last weekend , , which we saw last weekend, which has direct echoes of adolf hitler, and to chant about palestine an at this point in time , and the inevitable message time, and the inevitable message of support it sends to those hamas monsters shows you the moral depravity of the be kind crowd , like this woman draped in crowd, like this woman draped in the palestinian flag torn ting

jews about concentration camps. free palestine . don't forget free palestine. don't forget where you went in 1940. >> now that was up in glasgow. >> now that was up in glasgow. >> if you didn't catch what she said, she said, don't forget where you were in 1940. ha what about the lovely crowd outside the sydney opera house earlier this week chanting gassed the jews in berlin. the mail newspaper report that the homes of jewish people are being sprayed with the star of david to highlight where they live. does that sound familiar to you? the same is happening to jewish businesses when is absolutely horrific. of course, what i need to ask you, when is someone going to call out the fact that history is literally repeating itself and that it's not just being tolerated but effectively supported by politically correct progressives ? but such is the progressives? but such is the tribal echo chamber of the church of woke that even acts of evil against women and children

and the elderly engenders zero sympathy and what about those deluded lgbtq+ numpties out marching on behalf of palestine queers for palestine? they cry well gay, trans and non—binary people would be eliminated by hamas faster than you can say vegan sausage roll . why is vegan sausage roll. why is israel the only country in the world that gets attacked for being attacked ? there's an old being attacked? there's an old saying. the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing . well, it's men to do nothing. well, it's worse now. the self styled good people are not just doing nothing. they're cheering it on. welcome to hell . welcome to hell. your reaction, mark at cbnnews.com . i'll get to your cbnnews.com. i'll get to your email shortly. my top pundits tonight presenter and author tonia buxton, former adviser to

bofis tonia buxton, former adviser to boris johnson, lord kulveer ranger and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. tonya, let me start with you. your reaction to those waving the flags of palestine this week sickened by them? >> i'm absolutely sickened by them. you know what? i go to sleep when i go to sleep at night. what i'm seeing is noah's face. that young girl that got put a motorbike at that put on to a motorbike at that music festival and taken away. i have daughters and i go to have two daughters and i go to sleep at and i think sleep at night and i think of her and am sickened by by her face and i am sickened by by this behaviour. i'm sickened by the fact that we're allowing it to continue. it to stop. and to continue. it has to stop. and i add , just to i live i must add, just to say i live in north london and i've seen before, before this has even happened, i've seen the security that's needed outside jewish schools, outside jewish synagogues . why should jewish synagogues. why should jewish people feel unsafe in the country that they were born? whatever said and done, we have a problem with anti semitism in this country. we absolutely do. and this is just shown in big,

ugly colours. we have to do something to stop this kulveer can you conflate those going on a march to speak up for the palestinian people and support for hamas? >> yes, and i think that's what's happening and i think we need to be very clear and those people have to be very clear. look yes, there will be two sides around people supporting palestine and the views of palestinian people, but but the support is not or should not be for hamas in any person who comes on. and i will come to this later, but i heard the ambassador to the uk from palestine on today on the bbc not hamas and that can't be right . this not hamas and that can't be right. this is not hamas and that can't be right . this is a terrorist right. this is a terrorist organisation . they've committed organisation. they've committed the worst kind of atrocity . his the worst kind of atrocity. his and they should be by everybody, including those in palestine. and i think that's the problem here. you know, this is this is not just an anti—jewish thing here. you know, this is this is notjust an anti—jewish thing . not just an anti—jewish thing. this is about what's wrong and right. and hamas is wrong. you

know, we can call it evil, but it is wrong. what they did was wrong. and i think anybody who is finding it hard to say that we have to question indeed . we have to question indeed. >> nigel, this is a problem >> and nigel, this is a problem for left, isn't it? for the left, isn't it? >> i'm disappointed in >> yeah. and i'm disappointed in some the left who have not some of the left who have not come and absolutely , come out and absolutely, unequivocally condemned hamas for the atrocities they carried out . but there's no reason why out. but there's no reason why you can't support an independent palestinian state and still say that hamas are evil and are terrorists. you can say those things in the same breath . so things in the same breath. so i don't see a problem with that. if people want to come out and demonstrate hate for palestine , demonstrate hate for palestine, it's rather tasteless in the current situation. but it is their democratic right to do so . their democratic right to do so. >> and what do you make of keir starmer's reaction to the events of the last few days? >> well, i mean, broadly , there >> well, i mean, broadly, there isn't a cigarette paper to put between and rishi sunak. between him and rishi sunak. that was what both prime that was what both the prime minister and keir starmer are

saying is that they're supporting nearly called starmer. >> the prime minister there. >> the prime minister there. >> by the way, did you did you celebrating early big guy. >> he almost is covid. it's not happy but but but what they've been saying is that they support the idea of an independent palestinian state while condemning hamas. >> that was also the statement the world leaders released released earlier on this week. >> tonya, so for be kind . >> tonya, so much for be kind. >> tonya, so much for be kind. >> oh, please. >> oh, please. >> this is the constituency on on twitter that we're talking about who have been silent on this terror attack on israel . this terror attack on israel. >> it's just wrong. the people that are marching for palestine. i am a mother, so i'm a mother of i i am a mother, so i'm a mother ofi can i am a mother, so i'm a mother of i can understand palestinian mothers. i can understand jewish mothers. i can understand jewish mothers. i'm my heart is clenching for what's about to happen to the palestinian mothers. i can do that. but this is not the time to be marching for palestine. what we are doing now is we're grieving. we're grieving that grieving for those babies that have killed. we're grieving have been killed. we're grieving for that have have been killed. we're grieving for kidnapped. that have have been killed. we're grieving for kidnapped. weat have have been killed. we're grieving for kidnapped. weat h grieving been kidnapped. we are grieving for people. that's for those people. well, that's

what doing we're what we're doing now. we're grieving happened in grieving for what happened in israel. >> p m pm israel. >> is a problem for >> and this is a problem for whoever our next prime minister is, isn't it? kulveer because these tensions, i think, will is, isn't it? kulveer because thes(grow. ons, i think, will only grow. >> they will i think >> they will grow. but i think we have to look at recent we also have to look at recent example of terror attacks. when we obviously first we look at obviously the first thing is 77 thing that comes to mind is 77 well, 77, nine, 11 actually, sorry, before that when that happened , the world stood with happened, the world stood with the united states. it was a terrorist attack. we didn't all 9°! terrorist attack. we didn't all go, well, hold on a minute. let's look at us foreign policy . let's look at us foreign policy. and there's probably something there not free there that we're not free afghanistan. know, we afghanistan. yeah, you know, we were . the violence, the were clear. the violence, the terror that occurred, this is the same . and i don't understand the same. and i don't understand why it's being conflated that we can't be as clear our can't be as clear with our condemnation on of what hamas has done and the terror that they've inflicted on israel. >> indeed. with dark echoes >> indeed. and with dark echoes of the holocaust. know of the holocaust. let me know your thoughts, mark gbnews.com. your thoughts, mark gb news.com. coming next your thoughts, mark gbnews.com. coming next in the big story, coming up next in the big story, whilst has a right to whilst israel has a right to defend itself, what will flattening gaza and killing civilians achieve? we'll be joined by a senior israeli

military captain and that's live in the studio that's going to be unmissable. that's

news radio. >> well, look, big reaction to my big opinion. >> well, look, big reaction to my big opinion . it's shocking my big opinion. it's shocking that those people waving palestinian flags in london, in manchester and around the world are so insensitive to the plight of innocent israelis who were killed in cold blood on the 7th of october. well, the emails are coming in thick and fast. of october. well, the emails are coming in thick and fast . let's coming in thick and fast. let's have a look at what you've got to say. timothy says, mark, the marxist left have long loathed israel because they hate the west and all it stands for. this is the left . they believe that is the left. they believe that the ends justify the means, its hatred of israel means support for the worst kind of anti—semitism and anti western values. they are sickening , says values. they are sickening, says tim. meanwhile chris in pool says mark, thank you for your monologue tonight. i'm sick of

the bbc and other media outlets providing one sided viewpoints about what's going on. israel needs our unequivocal support right now. they're not getting it from the uk. right now. they're not getting it from the uk . richard right now. they're not getting it from the uk. richard hi mark. the be kind laptop classes are cowardly lemmings. where is the wisdom of the tweet elite at this time? they're scared to take a lead view . they only take a lead view. they only follow once . it is safe to do follow once. it is safe to do so.thank follow once. it is safe to do so. thank you so much for that. keep those emails coming. mark gb news wgrz.com. it's time now for the big story in this evening. as israel plans to retaliate for the terror attack it suffered on the 7th of october, which has seen the deaths of over 1000 innocent people. is that flattening gaza and raising it to the ground with the inevitable civilian deaths which will follow? really the answer . would such action be the answer. would such action be needlessly cruel and counterproductive? possibly hurting israel or is the wiping out of hamas necessary for the

very survival of the country? well, let's speak to captain reserve of the israeli defence forces , eyal biram, captain forces, eyal biram, captain braam, thank you so much for joining us in the studio. so first of all, can hamas be eliminated? is it possible ? eliminated? is it possible? >> absolutely. first of all, it's important to say a few years ago we saw what's happened with isis. isis was destroyed. we don't have any isis today in the world. and this is exactly the world. and this is exactly the goal of israel right now with iran founded and with hamas. iran founded and that tried to have an islamic caliphate all around the region. we speak about hamas in gaza, about hezbollah in lebanon, about hezbollah in lebanon, about the syrian forces, the iraqi , and, of course, in iraqi forces, and, of course, in yemen, and what tries to done right now by the iranian forces is encouraging more more is encouraging more and more areas, join . so areas, proxies to join. so unfortunately, we had the horrible attack last week, and i heard from my friends and unfortunately, i can say i lost nine of my friends in this horrible attack last week on the israeli villages and, of course, on the peaceful music party. and they mentioned to me, what is

they mentioned to me, what is the situation that they face at the situation that they face at the moment, that they enter the villages and after and villages and after a long and intensive fight, that was, intensive fight, and that was, of course, beheaded, babies of course, be beheaded, babies and that were raped and and women that were raped and were murdered in front of their families and more and more horrible examples that the world have since isis so have been since since isis so similar for what happened in world war ii when the uk attacked germany, that was the only way to delete the from the war. that's what we should do right now and i think that is why it's so important to have the back of the united kingdom of united states more of the united states and more and that and more countries that understand not just understand that this is not just a local war between israel and the palestinians. way, the palestinians. by the way, this war with the this is not a war with the palestinians. this is a as palestinians. this is a war, as i as i see it, for the palestinian people, because they are being hostages by are also being hostages by hamas, not as the 200, almost 200 israeli citizens that took last week by hamas forces. but they are also living under a dictatorship . and we have right dictatorship. and we have right now a fight between the freedom side of the war and the democracy side of the war against, of course , dictatorship against, of course, dictatorship

and organisations similar and evil organisations similar like the terror organisation of hamas. yeah >> now israel dropped leaflets in the last few days urging people gaza to head south people in gaza to head south because there will clearly be action on the ground and probably in the air on the northern region of that part of gaza. but inevitably civilians will die because hamas are weaponizing civilians. i understand one of their headquarters is in the basement of a hospital. so civilians will die. can you justify that? >> i think in every war and we saw it also fighting isis , the saw it also fighting isis, the war had a goal and we achieved it by fighting and destroying isis. similar right now , israel isis. similar right now, israel has no goal, of course. and i think we both agree about it, to kill citizens. but of course, hamas is right now we saw a pictures yesterday that hamas themselves , they are the ones themselves, they are the ones who stopped their citizens going south because they want them as a human shield. of course, they actually advised people in gaza to stay in the north. yeah, we

today been published a conversation between the israeli shin bet , the israeli forces. we shin bet, the israeli forces. we have a citizen in gaza that said that hamas took his keys for his car so he cannot go south. and unfortunately, the situation can be are be even worse that they are threatening death if threatening people for death if they will evacuate. >> talking specifically >> the talking specifically about targets . if one of the about targets. if one of the cells is in the basement of a hospital , are you comfortable hospital, are you comfortable with israeli forces bombing that hospital ? hospital? >> i think we should ask this question differently . should we question differently. should we have a war when hamas exists? and the answer is not. and think by doing it, of course we should eliminate that is eliminate every human that is not citizen that is not not every citizen that is not involved in it. and israel is doing it and did it for decades. but unfortunately, if we will not to understand that not be able to understand that hamas using the hamas is using is using the civilians as a human shield, we will be to win this will not be able to win this war. will any goals war. we will not have any goals doing we will see it, doing it, but we will see it, unfortunately, because i understand it's in the culture of military to try of the israeli military to try to civilian deaths. to avoid civilian deaths. >> detail, >> can you give me detail, detail about how how try detail about how you how you try to do that? >> i've been there firsthand.

i've been there in 20 14in the war between israel and gaza. that minimised that was a much minimised war just my talents just to destroy my 14 talents that same goal for what that have the same goal for what hamas did last saturday on the 7th october to enter murder 7th of october to enter a murder israeli citizen. but then we were able to stop it before that . and in this operation, i saw firsthand and i was also briefed about it, how the idf is dealing with citizens on the other side . with citizens on the other side. they are not our enemy. we know exactly who is our enemy. but unfortunately , hamas and unfortunately, hamas use it and understand that the a is understand that the idf is a is a high moral standards. but this, of course, moral standards is important and we keep it. and this is our dna. of course, similar for the united kingdom and of course, for any other democracy against democracy that fight against this evil forces. but we still understand , that winning understand, but that by winning this war, we'll be able to do it just by destroying the headquarters of hamas. and that's they decided build that's why they decided to build it hospital in it below the largest hospital in gaza the gaza, which is the shifa hospital . hospital. >> so if you were the military commander of that operation, would you accept the bombing of a hospital to achieve the

military aim ? military aim? >> i would do all in my capacity in order to make sure that this hospital is empty citizens. hospital is empty for citizens. i use the international i will use the international community to it. i will community to force it. i will force un that, by the way, force the un that, by the way, the can help in doing the un also can help in doing it. and the organisation it. and we see the organisation of funded and managed by of course funded and managed by the in gaza. i'm not sure how the un in gaza. i'm not sure how are they helping right now, the citizens the centre of citizens to leave the centre of gaza. of course they are afraid of hamas, but what is their goal? why are we paying our taxes for the un in order to help citizens and of course to help citizens and of course to help people that are not involved in this war. so i think they are much more means that they are much more means that the idf and will use of the idf use and will use part of them published order to them was published in order to help leave the help citizens to leave the houses leave the centre of houses and leave the centre of gaza. course, hamas will gaza. but of course, hamas will do capacity. similar do only their capacity. similar like isis, to keep people in their houses, to keep people in their houses, to keep people in the hospitals. and this is, i think , right now why the think, right now why the international community is so important, course, important, both, of course, on bringing back to bringing the hostages back to israel. is what we do here israel. this is what we do here also but larger than also in london. but larger than that, in helping and pushing the

every organisation, including , every organisation, including, of course, the un and unwra, to make sure that they helping make sure that they are helping citizens to live the citizens to live to live the centre of gaza and go for the south. >> and my viewers and >> and for my viewers and listeners, you're listeners, you mentioned you're referring is referring to the idf, that is the israeli military three, which is one of the most renowned in the world. and the un, you just mentioned the un. they've condemned israel's advice to gazans to head south and they've also condemned the blockade on water supplies and electricity. is israel breaking international law? i don't think so. so. >> so. >> i think by murdering more than 1300 citizens on one day, by ramping women, by beheaded babies, i think by reading the law, this is a way of breaking the law. the reaction of israel. and i think everyone speaks about proportions here in the uk . and of course, the answer is israel should not go and rape the same number of women and the other and not kill beheaded other side and not kill beheaded the of babies . what the same number of babies. what we is make sure that we should do is make sure that hamas will be destroyed. and this is, of course, not just for

israel. this is also for the safe we safe of europe, because we learned the learned also from the last decade that what's starting in the middle east similar for the war how influenced war in syria, how it influenced here the uk. and here the citizens in the uk. and right what we should is right now what we should do is to for the sake to make sure that for the sake of israel, for the sake of the palestinians and for the sake of the entire there will be the entire world, there will be no in the world no organisation in the world call hamas its call hamas and all of its members, unfortunately, should die because this for the die because this is for the future our western world, of future of our western world, of our our freedom world. and i think for having more conversation like that , that conversation like that, that cannot happen, of course, in gaza. >> what would you say to those who argue the appalling attack, the terror attack by hamas on israel was revenge for israel's treatment of the palestine people? >> i think they are murderers. that's the truth. if you are encouraged and unfortunately i've been interviewed by the bbc in the last few days and my interview by. how did that go? it half to two minutes. it cut in half to two minutes. you know why? because were cut. >> you $- fin- emi- minutes. >> yeah, because when the interview stopped, just interview was stopped, i just corrected they. said, corrected them. they. they said, we have biram. and

we are happy to have biram. and they about the militant they said about the militant attack of hamas. and just attack of hamas. and i just corrected said, i'm sorry, corrected and i said, i'm sorry, this a militant attack. this is not a militant attack. this terrorist and this is a terrorist attack. and every support right every person that support right now, unfortunately , is now, hamas, unfortunately, is right now in the murderous list . right now in the murderous list. if they do it by understanding who is hamas and people who don't. but this is the truth. and unfortunately, the bbc, and unfortunately, in the bbc, they waken up yet they haven't waken up yet to understanding that hamas is also threatening of the threatening the future of the united threatening the future of the uniwhy israel the only >> why is israel the only country in history that gets attacked when it's attacked ? attacked when it's attacked? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> maybe because it's the easiest, but i don't know because this awful this awful terror attack happened just over a week ago . a week ago. >> and now israel is somehow on the defensive and jewish people are facing abuse and death threats in this country and across the free world. yeah unfortunately, this is the situation we face right now. >> and this is why we all all remember that before 630 in the morning, on the 7th of october, last saturday, israel had no goal entering gaza and of

course, no goal also by destroying hamas, we tried to live with this terror organisation . but as we do organisation. but as we do understand, if the idf, the israeli defence forces, would not be in the south, unfortunately it took a few hours to get control and thousands of citizens were murdered. but if the idf would not come there, we can just imagine happened when the imagine what happened when the hamas will continue hamas terrorists will continue to go all around israel and then we the stories that we can imagine the stories that is , what's happened is more similar, what's happened in and is in the holocaust. and this is why and why the jewish people and israelis understand that this is our think , our hardest day and our i think, our hardest day and the day that the jewish the horrible day that the jewish people had since the holocaust, since war right now, since world war ii. right now, last saturday, 7th of october. and we will remember it forever . and we will remember it forever. >> yeah, privilege to have you >> yeah, a privilege to have you in studio. my heart goes out in the studio. my heart goes out to friends and the family to your friends and the family members are impacted by by the loss of their life in just the last few days, nine nine of your colleagues and friends devastating. and it just demonstrates really the sheer brevity and depravity of what's

happening. my thanks to captain reserve of the israeli defence forces , byram well, coming up forces, byram well, coming up with tonight's pundits, is it wrong for modelling agencies to target refugees camps? also, is it time to treat covid like a cold and is boris johnson's ex—wife punishing him by joining the labour party ? that's

listening to gb news radio. >> well, a big reaction to my conversation in there with a top israeli military chief who has lost nine friends and colleagues in the last few days. mark says, george, what's happening in israel is really disturbing. my love and support are with them all. and what i witnessed in london yesterday on television with people wearing a poster on their backs backing hamas is even more disturbing. hamas threatens to wipe israel and jewish people off the planet . jewish people off the planet. but these people who are backing these terrorists, do you think

they give a what you think because you're supporting them? god if hamas somehow did god forbid, if hamas somehow did do what they say , do you really do what they say, do you really think that will be it? no no, i don't, because they will. i believe, kill another nation. then the next, then the next, then the next, then the next, then the next, then the next, then the next. a powerful words. there how about maureen? who says mark, i don't think that israel will have a problem promising that they won't slit babies throats or behead them, that they won't grab old people as hostages, that they won't grab children as hostages , that grab children as hostages, that they won't use civilians as human shields because we are not cowards like hamas. talk of restraint and proportionality only muddies the water. thank you for your emails last one here from michael, who actually just has a historic reference to the fact that hamas have told people in north gaza to stay put because clearly they want to weaponize human life . and weaponize human life. and michael says hitler would not let his people leave berlin when the russian forces attacked in

1945. well, that's been a theme of the show, hasn't it, that history is repeating itself and it's time to call it out now . it's time to call it out now. reacting to the big stories of the day. tonight's top pundits, presenter and author tonia buxton, former advisor to boris johnson, lord kulveer ranger . johnson, lord kulveer ranger. he's enjoying his lordship. you can see that almost sits can see that he almost sits differently and a very good friend of mine, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . now evidence suggests nelson. now evidence suggests that covid has now become yet another bug for us to contend with once winter arrives. even the beeb is reporting it. of course they are large winter. there were estimated to be more flu deaths than covid ones in england just over 14,000, compared with 10,000. so is it time to treat covid like a cold kulveer ? kulveer? >> yes and no, mark because i think at the moment there is so much anxiety that's been built up through what we've all collectively been through that it's hard to put covid in that

that bracket of a common winter cold or the cold, the flu, everything else that we've all been used to for generations . been used to for generations. and i think it's more emotional and psychological than it is almost about the actual virus. i think people find it hard to understand because we were so pummelled with information about how deadly this virus is. and it has had a psychology effect on the collective nation . so the collective nation. so i think even though the scientists are saying to us, you know, it may not be as bad, the flu is probably going to kill more people than covid will this winter . but people than covid will this winter. but our people than covid will this winter . but our collective winter. but our collective understanding ending and what's seeped into our mind is to be so cautious, so scared. and so you know, unwilling to bend to normal life that it's going to take some time, even though. yes covid will probably be like cold. >> but going fonnard, nigel, we should probably have been treating covid like a cold for the last couple of years, let alone last couple months. alone the last couple of months. >> think so. we >> no, i don't think so. we

should treating and should start treating and treating it like flu rather than a cold because most of the population have been jabbed. it means that most people have an immunity to serious disease. i had my covid jab in that arm last week and on the same day my flu jab in that arm. i see. and i think it's the right show us your scar, if you like . your scar, if you like. >> i'm sure it's very fetching. you should have seen me 24 hours later, though. were you laid up in bed? >> you bet. yeah. but when i talked to the pharmacist about what happening, he was what was happening, he was saying was getting even saying that he was getting even more coming the more people coming in for the covid they like the covid jab. they like the reassurance. so the basis reassurance. so on the basis that we've all it won't stop us catching it , that we've all it won't stop us catching it, but it will stop us getting serious disease. so if we now think of it, it won't stop you getting serious , right? stop you getting serious, right? >> tonya right . >> tonya right. >> tonya right. >> so can we just can we can we give tonya the next five minutes of the show? yes. i mean, we should have ten. we should have always treated covid as it was as we needed as something that we needed to.

>> you if you were extremely >> if you if you were extremely obese and or ovenneight and obese and fat or ovenneight and very old already sick, then very old or already sick, then they're the people should they're the people that should have the whole have been protected. the whole world continued. our world should have continued. our young are still suffering young people are still suffering and brilliant professor and we had a brilliant professor called marcantonio spada who came with the covid anxiety came out with the covid anxiety syndrome. and you're completely right, lied to and we right, we were lied to and we were petrified. and our children were petrified. and our children were psychologically played with. >> they faced they faced almost zero threat from the virus, zero zero, you know, the death rate , zero, you know, the death rate, the death age of death for covid was and is still 82. >> it's older than the national age of death of no causes, of no of every other cause. >> sounds quite healthy to get covid 82. it's good for longevity . longevity. >> there go. honestly, and >> there you go. honestly, and you and nigel, i don't you know this and nigel, i don't take any jabs. i'll never take any jabs. the point is, is i have a good immunity. >> do you mind sitting away from the other panellists, please? >> i take the naughty boy. >> i will take the naughty boy. >> i will take the naughty boy. >> i will take the naughty boy. >> i have great immunity. >> i have great immunity. >> you what i do. i look >> i tell you what i do. i look after good food. after myself. i eat good food. i make i'm healthy. run,

make sure i'm healthy. i run, i keep myself healthy. i give my immunity, own immunity , the immunity, my own immunity, the tools to look after me and that's what we should all be. yes, covid. it wasn't yes, i did have covid. it wasn't very it wasn't as bad very nice, but it wasn't as bad as when i had flu. and point very nice, but it wasn't as bad as is1en i had flu. and point very nice, but it wasn't as bad as is that had flu. and point very nice, but it wasn't as bad as is that we've.u. and point very nice, but it wasn't as bad as is that we've we'vei point very nice, but it wasn't as bad as is that we've we've been point is, is that we've we've been that our whole society and in particular our youths have been fear mongered and tortured and psychologically played with. we must treat covid just like a normal cold and move on. >> do you know what makes my mind boggle the hysteria around covid deaths , which i fully covid deaths, which i fully share because it's tragic . share because it's tragic. >> a tragedy that people died from covid. but when people die from covid. but when people die from the flu , it's not story. from the flu, it's not a story. when people die from cancer, it's a story. waiting list it's not a story. a waiting list of 7.6 million people, not story. >> i think 90,000 people died from covid. >> no , the jury's still out on >> no, the jury's still out on that. >> a lot of them died with not of, i think the slight difference there, though, with the was that we understood the flu was that we understood the flu was that we understood the we had data the flu was that we understood thewe had data and understanding >> we had data and understanding of what that virus was. the problem when problem with covid, when it first was nobody had first emerged, was nobody had the understanding and i think

that's what led the immediate that's what led to the immediate reaction, did. reaction, the fear they did. >> they knew that it was >> and they knew that it was going down before even going down before they even put us lockdown. was us into lockdown. it was politicised. it a politicised. it was a politicised. it was a politicised movement, unfortunately. look what unfortunately. and look what it's done. look what we're suffering, how many young mothers died of cancer because they diagnosed they didn't get diagnosed when they didn't get diagnosed when they and they would have been 85 and died? yes, i make the choice for the rather than the the young mother rather than the 85 old. 85 year old. >> listen, you know, >> okay. well, listen, you know, the are very clear the government are very clear and the government's top medical advisers,vaccine saved many that the vaccine has saved many lives, as did lockdowns and other measures . it's all about other measures. it's all about opinions, isn't it? what's yours ? market gbnews.com. now marina wheeler, former wife of prime minister boris johnson , close minister boris johnson, close friend of kulveer ranger. she's a leading barrister and she's set to be appointed as labour's new whistleblower , joining tsar new whistleblower, joining tsar wheeler, who is an expert in employment law, is the second high profile woman from outside of the party to join keir starmer's team. but it begs the question is boris johnson's ex wife punishing him by joining the labour party ? have i got any

the labour party? have i got any divorced people here? >> yeah, right . >> yeah, right. >> yeah, right. >> is this another example? >> is this another example? >> is this another example? >> is it another example how the ex is will never stop the war? >> no, i don't think it is one upmanship. no, i don't think it is that. i mean, marina , the is that. i mean, marina, the irony went of escaped her that she's got a job now chasing sort of sexual predators. careful so yeah. >> where's this going, nigel? >> where's this going, nigel? >> well, but the other point is it's also a great opportunity for her. first of all, what she's said is she practises law. now, she can actually change it. she's also about to work for the next prime minister and it's not bad, not a bad opportunity for her to be one of his key advisers. i think she's trying to wind up your old boss, boris. >> no, i don't think behaviour. >> no, i don't think behaviour. >> is a bitter behaviour of >> this is a bitter behaviour of someone, ex that can't get someone, an ex that can't get over it. >> marina. >> move on, marina. >> move on, marina. >> it depends on whether she was approached the job or she approached for the job or she appued approached for the job or she applied for it, guess. would applied for it, i guess. would be no. but in be the answer no. but in seriousness, is a very, seriousness, marina is a very, very intelligent woman. she's a

very intelligent woman. she's a very barrister . and as very capable barrister. and as i said , this is a moment for to said, this is a moment for to her actually shape something that she's been passionate about all her career . i've known her. all her career. i've known her. i've known her through the years. she's a wonderful she's always been a lefty . she's she's always been a lefty. she's she's always been a lefty. she's she's always had a broader political viewpoint compared to where where her ex—husband was . but where her ex—husband was. but that was a great balance , you that was a great balance, you know, because it's always good. you don't want your partner to agree with you although it agree with you 100, although it could boring. could be a bit boring. >> it might mean i mean >> i think it might mean i mean the cherry on the cake for her with this job is it must with this job is that it must really bug boris. >> of a mic drop, >> it's a bit of a mic drop, isn't it? it is. i think it's a very smart move by sir keir starmer though is recruiting starmer, though he is recruiting very capable. >> he is because he's so dull and has no idea what he's talking about or has no policies and he doesn't know what he's doing . doing. >> so what he's doing is recruiting interesting women around him. >> wheeler . she turns up >> marina wheeler. she turns up for her first day at work and

he'll be like , are you a woman he'll be like, are you a woman or i don't really know. or a man? i don't really know. he's be confused. he's going to be so confused. it's so true. >> he won't be able to identify her. >> no, that's it. that's the big thing. that's the there is something exes, something about warring exes, though, there? something about warring exes, tho there there? something about warring exes, tho there a:here? something about warring exes, tho there a isre? something about warring exes, tho there a is it? something about warring exes, tho there a is it by the way, >> there is a is it by the way, doesit >> there is a is it by the way, does it work? can you have a relationship in which got relationship in which you've got someone left and someone someone on the left and someone that's right? have to that's on the right? we have to ask nigel. >> think his wife very sensible. >> it's very true. >> it's very true. >> to a tory >> i'm married to a tory activist, so yes, absolutely. >> two are the dream >> and you two are the dream team. are are you rare team. but are you are you rare in ? are a one off? did in that? are you a one off? did you to agree with your you need to agree with your partner? you need to agree with your par ideally, you need to agree with your parideally, find it odd, >> ideally, people find it odd, but claire pearsall. but but we've claire pearsall. but we've argued about we've never argued about politics. we've discussed politics. we've discussed politics endlessly all the time. we just don't argue about it. >> i couldn't be married to >> i just couldn't be married to someone i just someone who's woke. i just couldn't. i just. wouldn't it? or how could i married to or how could i be married to someone who can't tell me that or how could i be married to soma)ne who can't tell me that or how could i be married to soma woman can't tell me that or how could i be married to soma woman who t tell me that or how could i be married to soma woman who can't me that or how could i be married to soma woman who can't identify ? i'm a woman who can't identify? >> if he doesn't know, then no one today, tony. one does today, tony. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> brilliant stuff by me . okay, >> brilliant stuff by me. okay, moving swiftly on. we don't do boring, do we? not on my watch .

boring, do we? not on my watch. >> i just have it now. >> i just won't have it now. coming up in take at ten. coming up in my take at ten. looking to this the looking fonnard to this as the country's banker says country's former top banker says the push to decarbonise is getting the crazy getting too expensive. the crazy dream net zero is running out dream of net zero is running out of gas, but first, after a number of their stars back hamas and they refuse to call them terrorists, the bbc let terrorists, have the bbc let britain down over their israel stance? plus i've been asking, is it time to treat covid like a cold? that is tonight's people's poll. the results are in. i shall reveal all .

n ext next >> now , in the course of today, >> now, in the course of today, i've been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll . people's poll. >> i've been asking, is it time to treat covid like a cold? well almost 85% have said yes and 15% say no. the people have spoken. now the bbc is embroiled in an impartiality row after its

journal posts appeared to justify the killing of israeli civilians by hamas . the civilians by hamas. the corporation said it was urgently investigating after social media activity by several of its journalists in the middle east appeared to celebrate the attack, which left approximately 1300 people dead. report waters at bbc news arabic endorsed comments likening hamas , which comments likening hamas, which is a designated terror group to freedom fighters as well as describing the october the seventh atrocity as a morning of hope. one senior correspondent appeared to make fun of the israeli relatives of a grandmother who was abducted by hamas whilst another tweeted that israel's prestige is crying in the corner . meanwhile, the in the corner. meanwhile, the beebis in the corner. meanwhile, the beeb is under pressure to describe hamas as a terror organisation with the conservative mp michael fabncant conservative mp michael fabricant raising this issue . in fabricant raising this issue. in a letter to the broadcaster regulator ofcom. so is the bbc letting the country down with

its approach to reporting on israel ? to debate this, let's go israel? to debate this, let's go live to former bbc news producer john mayer and social worker and political commentator , a good political commentator, a good friend of mark dolan tonight, a regular panellist, yosef davar . regular panellist, yosef davar. md yosef. let me ask you, why is it so important for the bbc to call hamas terrorists . call hamas terrorists. >> well, the bbc is known the world over for some reason that icannot world over for some reason that i cannot understand as an organisation, which can be trusted to provide critical analysis and accurate information on. >> and it's simply not accurate to refer to hamas as anything else other than a terrorist organisation . we have to ask organisation. we have to ask ourselves what happened last week ? what did hamas do? did week? what did hamas do? did they walk to the border fence with their hands held high saying, i we can't take this anymore? did they try to hold land? did they go to try and see areas of interest for palestinians or did they go and

savagely kill people with the hope? probably of destabilising regional peace negotiations , but regional peace negotiations, but certainly with the aspiration of terrifying millions of israelis and people across the world that is the definition of terrorism thatis is the definition of terrorism that is trying to achieve your political aims through violence . political aims through violence. there is no other way to describe hamas other than a terrorist organisation . terrorist organisation. >> in john mad, the bbc say that they don't want to take sides. >> they talk about the importance of neutrality , but by importance of neutrality, but by not calling hamas terrorists, perhaps they are taking a side . perhaps they are taking a side. >> they're not. they're absolutely spot on to do that. the bbc, if anything , is about the bbc, if anything, is about impartiality, due impartiality , impartiality, due impartiality, i.e. not taking sides if next week when israel invades gaza and maybe they do acts that they shouldn't do , should the bbc shouldn't do, should the bbc call them terrorists ? because call them terrorists? because you know what what is terrorism? what is state terrorism ? is what is state terrorism? is russia terrorist in ukraine, you know, is it was was israel were

the israeli freedom fighters terrorists in 1948? what is a terrorist? you know, i when i was a producer, found myself in the 2010 election talking down talkback to martin mcguinness, who was do you remember, the deputy chief of staff of the ira ? >> and he called me homes. you're saying terrorism yourself. >> what was your point? what could you say? what could you repeat that, please? yosef with all due respect, murdering innocent people in their homes with the hope of affecting a political outcome is terrorism. >> now people have said it shouldn't be the government's position to tell a free broadcaster how to refer to either militants or terrorists. you shouldn't need a government intervention to tell you that what we saw was heinous terrorism. all you need are a set of eyes and a conscience. yes >> yes. >> yes. >> john maher. what is militant about beheading a baby ? i would about beheading a baby? i would argue that by not calling hamas

terrorists, the bbc are gaslighting in recent israeli victims. yeah absolutely disgusting. >> of course it's disgusting. but don't forget , hamas are an but don't forget, hamas are an elected government in gaza. you know, they're they're not they're not freelance terrorists. so what happens next week if israel goes into gaza and actually commits acts of what you might call terrorism? should the bbc call them terrorists ? terrorists? >> and what, john, in gaza . >> and what, john, in gaza. >> and what, john, in gaza. >> john, can i ask you about al—qaeda? did the bbc describe them as terrorists ? did they did them as terrorists? did they did they describe as osama bin laden as a terrorist ? as a terrorist? >> i'm afraid they didn't. the bbc has, as you know, strict guidelines on this. they don't use the word terrorists in their reporting. they don't mind other people using the word terrorists , and they will use that. but bbc journalists are not allowed to terrorists and to use the word terrorists and they're spot on on they're absolutely spot on on this. won't bullied this. and we won't get bullied by the government, by anybody by by the government, by anybody else. the bbc should else. you know, the bbc should hold line. it's an impartial broadcaster. >> there you go , joseph. it's

>> there you go, joseph. it's impartiality. >> there you go, joseph. it's impartiality . and the bbc are impartiality. and the bbc are bound by journalistic conventions and the rules , i conventions and the rules, i would say that the bbc are a collection of centrist ideologues who unfortunately can't see the wood for the trees anymore and don't represent the interests of the british people. >> it is in the interests of the british people to have accurate information, something is information, and if something is palpably a terrorist attack condemned by nations across the world and the bbc has a duty to present the facts as they are . present the facts as they are. and it's simple that they have they have heinous way. i don't believe so. i'm sorry . the bbc, believe so. i'm sorry. the bbc, with respect , john, john, let with respect, john, john, let yourself finish. >> all right . known have the bbc >> all right. known have the bbc have known the modus operandi of hamas since they came into power in the early 2000? >> i read bbc articles highlighting that gay people had been murdered, that people had been murdered, that people had

been tied to motorbikes and dragged through the roads that israelis had been murdered. so this is not something new. the bbc know what hamas is and the bbc know what hamas is and the bbc must bear some responsibility for some degree of the community relations in this country by not presenting the facts as they are and presenting this moral relativism which unfortunately is it's simply nonsense . simply nonsense. >> okay, the clock's against us. john, last word to you . john, last word to you. >> who did the palestinians demonstrate against yesterday? who did they throw throw paint at? the palestinian supporters in london, they threw paint at the bbc. so you're throwing you're throwing verbal paint. the palestinians are throwing red paint. the bbc has to be in the middle all that. and as the middle of all that. and as far i can see, they're doing far as i can see, they're doing a in reporting that war. >> my thanks to former bbc news producer john and social producer john mayer and social worker and political commentator joseph producer maria joseph david, who producer maria tells me is joining us on the sofa on friday. looking fonnard to that coming up in the 10:00 to that. coming up in the 10:00 houn to that. coming up in the 10:00 hour, papers hot off hour, tomorrow's papers hot off the and in my take at ten the press. and in my take at ten

as the country's former top banker says push to banker says the push to decarbonise is getting too expensive, the crazy dream of net zero is running out of gas. do you see what we did there? as gas is net zero. it's fuel. this show, let me tell you, isn't just thrown together, so i'll be deaung just thrown together, so i'll be dealing with the eco maniacs after

>> it's 10:00 >> it's10:00 on >> it's 10:00 on television, >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online on in the united kingdom and across the world. >> this is mark dolan tonight in my take a ten as the country's former top banker says the push to decarbonise is getting to expensive. the crazy dream of net zero is running out of gas as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new trade deal . is britain war by offering the uk a new trade deal. is britain having the last laugh ? plus, are the the last laugh? plus, are the government right to keep petty criminals out of prison and reform them instead ? who better reform them instead? who better to ask than tonight's newsmaker,

former prisons minister politics legend ann widdecombe ? she'll be legend ann widdecombe? she'll be very triggered by the sight of those eu flags . plus, tomorrow's those eu flags. plus, tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits . so a packed show, top pundits. so a packed show, lots to get through. i will be deaung lots to get through. i will be dealing with the eco maniacs. but first, the news and polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> mark, thank you and good evening to you. well the top story tonight is that the us secretary of state says the egyptian controlled rafah border crossing should reopen. some reports suggesting 9:00 in the morning local time. reports suggesting 9:00 in the morning local time . that's 11:00 morning local time. that's11:00 our time for aid to pass through into gaza. we're also hearing that some palestinians with dual nationality will also be able to pass through the checkpoint . pass through the checkpoint. anthony blinken said the us is working with egypt, israel and the united nations to get a assistance through to gazans .

assistance through to gazans. hundreds of tonnes of aid from several countries have been waiting in egypt's sinai peninsula, pending a deal for its safe delivery into gaza , its safe delivery into gaza, together with the evacuation of some foreign passport holders through the crossing, egypt said it had stepped up diplomatic efforts to break the impasse. meanwhile israeli troops are now massing at the gaza border in preparation for an israeli ground assault . and the prime ground assault. and the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, has vowed to demolish hamas. antony blinken says the us will continue to stand with israel. >> what we're actually doing, including the deployment of these aircraft carrier battle groups again , and not to provoke groups again, and not to provoke anyone but to send a very clear message of deterrence that no one should do anything that widens this conflict in any way or that furthers aggression against israel from any other direction . direction. >> but in the meantime, the prime minister and king abdullah of jordan have been speaking about diplomatic efforts to

prevent further escalation in the wider middle east conflict . the wider middle east conflict. earlier, rishi sunak welcomed king abdullah to downing street. the leaders also agreeing on the importance of taking measures to protect civilians in gaza, including british and jordanian dual citizens caught up in the violence . this comes after violence. this comes after a further round of crisis talks by world leaders with others as they try to inject diplomacy into the conflict between israel and hamas . meanwhile, for and hamas. meanwhile, for government flights carrying britain's left, israel today , britain's left, israel today, two more are expected tonight . two more are expected tonight. the foreign office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready to get out in case the rafah border crossing with egypt is opened in the morning . it's is opened in the morning. it's currently the only route out of the territory and the foreign secretary, james cleverly said the uk is doing everything it can to get british people out of here. in london, hundreds of people gathered at a vigil today to commemorate israeli victims of the hamas terror attack holding israeli flags high and

beanng holding israeli flags high and bearing posters saying bring them home. people handed out flyers featuring names and faces of those taken hostage by hamas as a strong police presence patrolled the event, which took place in parliament square in central london. now away from the israeli hamas conflict and onto sport, england are through to the last four of the rugby world cup after an astonishing 3224 victory over fiji in their quarterfinal in marseille . quarterfinal in marseille. sunday mbappe. quarterfinal in marseille. sunday mbappe . long . koiller sunday mbappe. long. koiller lusty voices singing the national anthem and princess of wales kate middleton, seen there, watching from the stands supporting england. it means we're through now to the semis for the second world cup in a row. borthwick's will row. steve borthwick's men will now face south in the now face south africa in the tournament semi—finals on saturday. this is gb news across

the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> thanks polly , and well done england. >> welcome to mark dolan tonight as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new trade deal, is britain having the last laugh? plus, are the government right to keep petty criminals out of prison and reform them instead? i'll be asking former prisons minister and politics legend ann widdecombe. plus tomorrow's newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits tonight , presenter top pundits tonight, presenter and author tanya buxton , former and author tanya buxton, former adviser to boris johnson, lord kulveer ranger and gb news senior political commentator for the very happily married nigel nelson . they'll be nominating nelson. they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page heroes of the day. so a

packed hour to come. those papers are on their way. but first, my take . at ten net zero first, my take. at ten net zero net. so much. the former governor of the bank of england, mark carney, has said that reducing carbon emissions will involve exceptionally expense massive costs in a world of lower growth and higher debt , lower growth and higher debt, making it harder to transition to net zero, he said. a weak global economy, higher inflation and the conflict in ukraine plus the middle east conflict had thrown the world into an age of uncertain certainty. no sherlock . let's be honest. the flame on this project is flickering . this project is flickering. candle in the wind turbine after rishi sunak identified concerns among voters about the growing cost of this wild experiment, he announced a major slowdown in the to race zero emissions. emmanuel macron in france, a guy for whom i'm growing a lot of

respect, recently said that europe has done enough for now and worse , polluters must do the and worse, polluters must do the heavy lifting. how right he is the public around the world are now finally our leaders are growing tired of the hot air from climate activists . no one's from climate activists. no one's got the money for electric cars , got the money for electric cars, which leave you beset with range anxiety. if you're going anywhere further than your local tesco and heat pump boilers are an expensive nightmare, costing tens of thousands of pounds. they're inappropriate for many properties and they don't actually make the water very hot . insulating the country is a lovely idea, but it will cost billion that we don't have. where would you cut elsewhere? the nhs schools policing . good the nhs schools policing. good luck with that net zero is going the way of the covid lockdowns an abject and financially ruinous failure. a car crash in slow motion, a global wet dream which is collapsing under the weight of its own rhetoric .

weight of its own rhetoric. politicians have not been straight with the public about the cost of net zero, with conservative estimates suggesting every uk household would have to find up to £15,000 between now and 2030 to fund this wild experiment . now, my this wild experiment. now, my brilliant colleague melissa asked me today . brilliant colleague melissa asked me today. in brilliant colleague melissa asked me today . in the meeting asked me today. in the meeting why i used the word experiment. a great question, because we don't know . despite the don't know. despite the eye—watering cost , whether all eye—watering cost, whether all of this will even work. we don't know whether windmills , solar know whether windmills, solar panels and wave technology are ever going to fulfil our energy needs or produce a drop in the world's temperature, especially with our contribution to emissions being a measly 1. it's all a massive punt and it's our money and our way of life that they're gambling with and what a sick joke it is that the green lobby stopped us building nuclear power stations 20 years ago, and what a pathetic spectacle it is that britain

does a deal to import shale gas from america, even though we have large amounts of coal , gas, have large amounts of coal, gas, oil, and yes, even shale on our own shores is the scientific case for net zero is flaky at best. look at germany who have spent ten years investing billions in green renewables and yet found themselves reliant on vladimir putin's gas to keep the lights on. the germans and i'm not making this up. you won't believe this. the germans are currently tearing down windmills, so they can reopen coal mines. you're welcome. and the economic case for net zero is dead to because it was only going to work in an environment of low interest rates where debt is cheap. well, that era like madonna's career, is behind us. the international energy agency estimates that achieving net zero emissions by 2050 will require additional investment of up to $2.5 trillion globally over the next ten years. and the

rest , but by over the next ten years. and the rest, but by which time we'll all be living outside in tent cities , reading by candlelight, cities, reading by candlelight, eating cockroach soup and selling our firstborn to the highest bidder. the cosy green consensusis highest bidder. the cosy green consensus is crumbling . net zero consensus is crumbling. net zero has run out of money. run out of pubuc has run out of money. run out of public support and run out of steam. in the end , it's just steam. in the end, it's just been another liberal progressive vanity project which is doomed to fail. go woke, no smoke net zero. more like never . zero your zero. more like never. zero your reaction especially if you disagree. market gbnews.com. disagree. market gb news.com. i'll disagree. market gbnews.com. i'll get to your emails shortly. the most important part of the show. but let's hear from my brilliant well . brilliant pundits as well. presenter and author tanya buxton tanya, great you buxton. tanya, great to have you back on. mark dolan tonight, former boris johnson, former adviser to boris johnson, lord kulveer ranger and gb news, very own senior political commentator nigel nelson. he's

on the payroll. there is no escape. nigel, can i start with you? the race for net zero is rather slowed down and it's come to a spluttering halt. well it's certainly slowed down. >> i mean, keir starmer keir starmer is actually put back his 28 billion for green projects in britain in. >> so that was a disappointment. rishi sunak has put back targets that were necessary to achieve it . another disappointment. but it. another disappointment. but but it really is urgent. we do something about it. we've had the hot stay on record in july , the hot stay on record in july, the hot stay on record in july, the hottest june month ever. we've got sea ice in the antarctic, which is melting at the rate of ten times the size of britain in it is actually urgent to do this. and if we're worried about the cost, we have to think about getting it out of general taxation so low income people aren't hit with the kind of figures that you that you mentioned there . and course, mentioned there. and of course, that taxes . the

that means raising taxes. the parties say they won't do that. so we're away so we're backing away from something that was so serious that we needed to actually get something done, get something moving . we're responsible not moving. we're responsible not for 1% of the of emissions. we're responsible for 10. >> where did you get that from the industrial revolution . the industrial revolution. >> because the industrial revolution is do you want to, nigel, do you want to lump that in with reparations for slavery as well? >> what else should we atone for? >> me make a list of things >> let me make a list of things we've to apologise for, we've got to apologise for, including giving the including basically giving the world electricity and the steam engine for the industrial revolution. >> just pointing out out that it was because of it that our emissions are worth about 10% of where we are at at the moment . where we are at at the moment. >> you've been jemmy >> you've been using jemmy carr's tax accountant. >> i missed that. >> sorry i missed that. >> sorry i missed that. >> you've been using jemmy carr's accounting . you've carr's tax accounting. you've been cooking the books 10. do me a for the bottom line is a favour for the bottom line is britain one of cleanest britain is one of the cleanest economies in the world. we're number manufacture, number eight for manufacture, offering 1% of global emissions. right now .

right now. >> well, okay. and you would be right that india and china are small changes. there are better than big changes here that will do more for the climate. but the whole point is this is a world problem. we all have to get together to solve it. well there you go. >> i'm glad nigel said that because, tonya, i don't think that this a world problem. i that this is a world problem. i think it's a china problem. and india america india problem and america problem. brazil not a problem. a brazil problem, not a british problem. >> i completely agree with you. what is a british problem is that being sunk into that we are being sunk into poverty . people can't afford to poverty. people can't afford to pay poverty. people can't afford to pay for their for their pay for their houses, for their heating, anything else heating, for anything else because ridiculous because of this ridiculous policy of net zero. it's got to stop. and thank goodness, since is coming through now, we're going to stop this rubbish. >> and the bottom line , kulveer, >> and the bottom line, kulveer, is this is going to help is that this is going to help rishi the next election rishi sunak at the next election because my viewers and listeners do not want country or do not want the country or themselves to be made poorer for what , if we're honest, an what is, if we're honest, an experiment . experiment. >> well, i think the challenge here is that whenever there are

good highlight it good times and you highlight it when interest rates when there's low interest rates and there's maybe money around, you politicians you know, politicians look at these go, we can these things, they go, we can afford it. and the public afford to do it. and the public feel they can afford to do feel that they can afford to do it. but as soon as economy it. but as soon as the economy gets recession. gets tight, we get a recession. then, you know, we tighten our purse strings, start purse strings, we start cancelling infrastructure projects and we start wondering, well, these well, why are we doing these things they will things and what impact they will have. now, i'm not a climate change denier. i do believe that we i do we do have to do something. i do believe out, you know, believe pumping out, you know, dirty fuel is not going be dirty fuel is not going to be the for the future, but the answer for the future, but it's do we invest in it's about how do we invest in the right way? because actually, when when the former when actually when the former mayor, boris johnson, asked me to take on the environment brief, which i didn't really want at time because want at the time because i didn't think was the right didn't think that was the right way do he was very way to do things, he was very clear was very clear. we clear and i was very clear. we took an economic these took an economic view on these policies. create policies. how could we create jobs ? where was industry jobs? where was the industry going? would we want to going? why would we want to build vehicles ? because build electric vehicles? because we'd want to sell them to the rest as well. so rest of the world as well. so there's got at it there's we've got to look at it through the way of doing good there's we've got to look at it thr(the| the way of doing good there's we've got to look at it thr(the economy, of doing good there's we've got to look at it thr(the economy, forioing good there's we've got to look at it thr(the economy, for peoplenod

for the economy, for people costing us less and good for the environment . and costing us less and good for the environment. and i think that's the that we should the win win that we should be focusing on. >> pundits tonight. >> i love my pundits tonight. they're coming in hot they they're coming in hot and they return at 1030 tomorrow's return at 1030 with tomorrow's papers. next, as germany papers. but next, as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new trade deal offering the uk a new trade deal, is britain having the last laugh? plus, are the government right to keep petty criminals out prison and reform them out of prison and reform them instead ? i'll be asking former instead? i'll be asking former pnsons instead? i'll be asking former prisons minister and politics legend ann widdecombe . she's legend ann widdecombe. she's next. and not happy

changed and you're listening to gb news radio . all the bbc gb news radio. all the bbc letting down britain with their israel stance , as lynn says. israel stance, as lynn says. >> mark, for me, the proof of terrorism is that hamas killers will not wear a uniform and face their adversary like a true soldier. the bbc has a report . soldier. the bbc has a report. forgive me, the bbc has a duty to report the truth, not their own truth , terry says mark, the own truth, terry says mark, the bbc has lost its reputation as a world news authority by still

pushing the same stories as other legacy news outlets . this, other legacy news outlets. this, tony says . good evening, mark. tony says. good evening, mark. it shows what the bbc are when they call the dambusters raid infamous as helen says, mark. it could be claimed that taking sides would be to side with either palestinians or israelis . either palestinians or israelis. you cannot say that you can take sides between hamas and israel. the bbc are a disgrace. but look , there are a few people that disagree and want to back up the bbc. peter says . mark, the bbc bbc. peter says. mark, the bbc must not take sides, othennise it its output will lose trust , it its output will lose trust, says peter lynn. we've done linda, haven't we? let's just finish with john, who i think strikes the right notes. john says mark must realise, we must realise that hamas is a terrorist organisation . the terrorist organisation. the palestinian people are a peace loving community who don't want violence just to get on with their lives. well, isn't that what we all want? thank you for your emails . we'll get some more

your emails. we'll get some more shortly. mark at gbnews.com. always the part of the always the best part of the show. get touch. show. when you get in touch. the second part this . yes, second best part is this. yes, the and the german the newsmaker and the german finance minister, christian lindner , has sparked an eu civil lindner, has sparked an eu civil war by inviting the uk to take new steps on a new and improved trade deal with the bloc. he even goes as far as to say call us. however this offer has sparked outrage from some of his eu counterparts who say germany cannot make this offer without member agreement . so are the cannot make this offer without member agreement. so are the eu missing us and is post—brexit britain having the last laugh ? britain having the last laugh? let's ask the former government minister, bestselling author and television personality ann widdecombe . and how much is the widdecombe. and how much is the eu missing britain? do you think? oh i think it's missing as quite considerably . as quite considerably. >> i think it's missing our contribution . i think it's just contribution. i think it's just missing our general participation . but tough luck. participation. but tough luck. and what strikes me about this is germany wouldn't out of the goodness of its heart , make

goodness of its heart, make offers to britain for britain's sake. this is germany saying, oh, dear, you know, we're not doing so well out of this brexit business. perhaps we should try to swing it a little more. our way. i mean, that is effectively what's going on. and yes , we what's going on. and yes, we should all be laughing at that. >> well, yes, the germans would like to sell us more of their mercedes benz and bmw and their their low and brow lager. wouldn't they ? wouldn't they? >> well, of course they would. there is no country in the world that doesn't want to sell more of its own products. you know, german is not an exception to that. but feeling the that. but it's feeling the draught we've left and draught since we've left and could i indulge in a conspiracy theory with you? >> i just wonder whether in 5 to 10 years time the eu will be so desperate to have us back, they'll say, you know what? you can have the old deal and we'll get you back in. no schengen, no euro. maybe even a cap on free movement is that possible ? movement is that possible? >> no, that's not possible. and i think we all know that. and

indeed, i think we would need to be very, very wary because we saw where it led last time. so i think the only sensible answer to that would be no . i mean, my to that would be no. i mean, my actual fear in all of this is not it's not the not germany. it's not the eu, it's keir starmer who has said in terms and this is probably what has encouraged germany, he said in terms that he wants to negotiate a better deal. now a better deal actually means, of course, you know, the single market or the customs union or further regulation or whatever it might be. you know, the deal is not going to work solely in our favour . you know, we haven't our favour. you know, we haven't got a particularly good deal at the moment. that's not make it any worse. however an keir starmer is very clear. >> he does not want britain to go back into the single market or join go back into the single market orjoin a customs union. he wants british retailers to be able to sell more of our goods to the eu. i mean, surely he's right to push for that improved deal right to push for that improved deal. don't you think?

>> i think he should leave it to businesses to export their their goods to the eu and to sell their goods into the eu because they happen to know what they're doing. don't be fooled by this business of, you know , keir business of, you know, keir starmer doesn't want to rejoin keir starmer doesn't want the formal market. he doesn't formal single market. he doesn't want customs union. want the formal customs union. there are two ways of doing it. as before . one is to as i've said before. one is to actually re—enter, we'll actually re—enter, which we'll never is never do, but the other is simply to align ourselves. so much with the eu that we are still under their dictation and thatis still under their dictation and that is what is going on. we should be completely free to do what we want to do and above all, we should be doing it. witch hunt and sunak are not. >> i tend to agree with you. i think if labour gets in it will be death by a thousand cuts to brexit. and what about the uk and the eu though? perhaps many would argue that we're missing them . are we? them. are we? >> no, i don't think we're missing them at all. it doesn't appear to have impacted on our

growth rates. it hasn't impacted on our inflation rates. so of course other things have it hasn't made any difference to us and we could be so much stronger if we did what they were dreading . and they must be dreading. and they must be laughing up their sleeves at us. they were dreading us becoming some sort of singapore on thames thatis some sort of singapore on thames that is to say, really competitive with them. and hunt made it very clear. and his very first budget, he wasn't going to do at all. we were just do that at all. we were just going ourselves with going to align ourselves with their corporation their rates of corporation tax, their rates of corporation tax, their the other their this, their the other thing , haven't up all thing, we haven't torn up all the regulations that we were promised going torn promised were going to be torn up. a complete shambles up. it is a complete shambles and i don't mind a shambles. i've come to expect that from a conservative government. what i mind is a shambles. that is a game against british interests. >> well, i agree with you, ann. last night on the show, i was saying got love saying that we've got to love bomb because we need bomb the rich because we need their we need their their money. we need their investments . singapore on investments. singapore on thames, it on an and can thames, bring it on an and can i take you now to your home office brief where you served with such

distinction as prisons minister the justice secretary, alex chalk has announced less prison time for minor offenders in order to tackle overcrowding and to help low level criminals rehabilitate, rather than learn the tricks of the trade inside . the tricks of the trade inside. now, you are a great champion of rehabilitation. is this a good move ? move? >> no, because prisons are meant to rehabilitate. prisons have two aims. one is to keep people safe in custody so that the pubuc safe in custody so that the public are protected. and the other is and i quote, prepare them to lead law abiding lives, both in prison and aftennards. now that mission statement is displayed in our prisons and i therefore draw your attention to help them to lead law abiding lives. there is no conflict between prison and rehabilitation . prison should, rehabilitation. prison should, should automatically be focussed on rehabilitation. and one of our big problems is that it isn't. all this is, is the government saying, oh dear, we've got a mess , we haven't got

we've got a mess, we haven't got enough prison places , we haven't enough prison places, we haven't provided for them. we don't want to provide them. we'd rather people prison. the people didn't go to prison. the road that labour went down before them . and it an before them. and it is an irresponsible road from the point of view of the public. >> do you think our prisons will be overflow ing for the foreseeable an unless foreseeable future? an unless the government takes some emergency action which can be done. >> um, and if they put you know, they can bring in sorry , they they can bring in sorry, they can bring in temporary accommodation , they can put it accommodation, they can put it down in category c prisons, which is what i did when i had to find extra prison places. i even brought in a ship all sorts of things that they can do. let them get on and do it. i did it. they can do it . they can do it. >> and it's always the highlight of the weekend to have you on. we'll see you next sunday. and i know a little bit know you've got a little bit of a there. so thank you so a cold there. so thank you so much joining us. and will much for joining us. and we will see you in a week's time. the politics that is ann politics legend that is ann whittaker. trooper, whittaker. and what a trooper, by these people by the way, all these people calling in sick.

>> sorry, boss, i can't come in today. look at ann. she's firing on >> look at ann. she's firing on all got a cold, all cylinders. she's got a cold, she's got covid. she's got the flu. got it all. but she's flu. she's got it all. but she's still addresses the nation via mark dolan tonight. look, i hope she hasn't got covid. and i do wish well. don't just wish her well. don't you just love ann? folks? lots love ann? right, folks? lots more come. papers are on more to come. the papers are on their some strong their way. some strong headlines. pundits will headlines. plus, my pundits will be their headline be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes . and heroes and back page zeroes. and what as a question what about this as a question for as germany sparks an eu for you? as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new deal, is britain new trade deal, is britain having last laugh? the having the last laugh? the results in. i shall reveal results are in. i shall reveal all

radio. now. >> today we've been asking the great british public as germany sparks an eu civil war by offering the uk a new trade deal offering the uk a new trade deal, is britain having the last laugh? well, the results are in. i think we might have amy, the old, the old old graphic to pop up there . greg, we got the up there. greg, we got the numbers. give me the numbers.

how many people think britain is having a there you go. look at that, 81% of gb news viewers think that britain is having the last laugh when it comes to brexit. who knew? and 18% just over say no. that's a landslide, isn't it? by anyone's metric, it isn't it? by anyone's metric, it is 1030. so it's time for this . is 1030. so it's time for this. okay. let's go to the guardian newspaper. us in a last ditch effort to reduce impact of israeli assault on gaza. journalist 83 among 126 confirmed hostages . the eye confirmed hostages. the eye newspaper now us and uk in race to try to prevent israel conflict spreading . the us conflict spreading. the us secretary of state antony blinken and rishi sunak are leading diplomatic efforts to try and prevent israel's campaign in gaza spreading across the region . the pm met across the region. the pm met jordan's king abdullah at downing street to discuss the crisis and will hold further

talks with regional leaders in the next 48 hours. the us has warned iran over any potential escalates of the conflict as blinken visits egypt on the latest stop of a whirlwind tour of arab countries as humanitarian crisis in gaza is worsening , say the i newspaper worsening, say the i newspaper with israel warning it's set to launch a major offensive by land, sea and air. in response to the hamas attacks . metro now to the hamas attacks. metro now madonna is back. how dare i besmirch her name? in my take at ten, her career is on fire. in fact, she's getting five star reviews. so well done to madge, queen of pop gets into the groove as she kicks off her world tour . israel kicks excuse world tour. israel kicks excuse me, israel kills mastermind of massacre. hamas terror chief dies in retaliation. airborne bombardment blitz on gaza goes on as israel prepares for a land invasion . financial times us invasion. financial times us warns iran not to escalate gaza war into broader middle east conflict. good luck with that.

the times newspaper england power through and set up a semi final against south africa pop up cells in jail yards to tackle overcrowding, pop up prison cells, deporting foreign criminals and making low level offenders. remove graffiti will be the centre of a plan to overhaul sentencing and ease pnson overhaul sentencing and ease prison over crowding, a topic i discussed with ann widdecombe just a few minutes ago. a million tried to flee as invasion of gaza looms is the other story in the times . as other story in the times. as daily express now home secretary vows police will pursue anyone mocking the murder of jews. suella stark warning to those who glorify terrorism . the home who glorify terrorism. the home secretary pledged the police are coming for you if you glorify terror on britain's streets. also, immigration to stay high for the rest of the decade. the daily mirror may wag the magic and mayhem on tour. okay let's have a look at the independent

story. i'll get you the graphic for mirror in just a for that mirror story in just a moment. how about this from moment. but how about this from the independent tanks the independent israel tanks mass border ahead of imminent mass on border ahead of imminent invasion military to attack by land, sea and air as evacuation deadune land, sea and air as evacuation deadline expires. un aid agency warns that gaza is being pushed into an abyss. israeli defence forces confirm 126 hostages are being held by hamas. i'll bring you the mirror shortly when we have it. but let's get reaction now from my fantastic pundits. i'm delighted to welcome back to mark dolan tonight presenter and author tanya buxton , a very old author tanya buxton, a very old friend of mine, former adviser to boris johnson, lord kulveer ranger and gb news, his very own senior political commentator , senior political commentator, nigel nelson, delighted to say that greg and amy now have the mirror for us. so let's it mirror for us. so let's fire it up if can. i want to bring up if we can. i want to bring you front as and you all the front pages as and when we have them. there you go. okay, sorry, folks. having okay, sorry, folks. we're having a issues, but we a few technical issues, but we will get you the mirror very shortly it's always shortly because it's always worth israel, worth a read. and it's israel, unsurprisingly . right. listen, unsurprisingly. right. listen, we've got lots to discuss. and i want to ask you, kulveer, how

israel go about balancing revenge with humanitarian considerations. how do you square that circle? >> it's a very difficult challenge for israel. you can sense, obviously, the emotion in here and the need for them to do something for their people. but i think the word that we're looking for or the rest of the international community is looking for, is de—escalation . looking for, is de—escalation. how do we get back from this bnnk? how do we get back from this brink? now, the challenge is that there are hostages involved . those that's probably the first priority for israel, the government. how do they get their people back? the second is obviously taking out hamas. they need to do something about hamas. but the question is about the civilian impact that there will be when this if this happens. and i think we've seen this every hour , every minute, this every hour, every minute, every day that goes by that you don't get the full scale invasion. i think the international community is working with israel to see what else can be done. obviously, i

say in that order, though, hostages , hamas, you know , hostages, hamas, you know, destruction as much as is possible , and then protecting possible, and then protecting civilian life . civilian life. >> but nigel, who is anyone to tell israel not to defend themselves and to retaliate after an appalling attack? >> well, i mean , everyone has >> well, i mean, everyone has said that that israel has a right to defend themselves. what i think all the front pages are reflecting and what amir america, britain and the west is doing is trying to keep the conflict contained as much as possible . now, obviously , one of possible. now, obviously, one of the ways of doing that is , is to the ways of doing that is, is to try and get israel pull back from the brink , that hamas may from the brink, that hamas may have may have slaughtered innocent israelis, but it won't help hugely to massacre the innocent palestinians either . so innocent palestinians either. so the key for the west is keep iran out and iran is israel's greatest fear has always been iran. i mean, they live in a country which is like being on a housing estate where everyone wants to throw a brick through your window. they're surrounded

by enemy basically, or perhaps upper islington . yeah, could upper islington. yeah, it could be. but iran is the is their biggest fear. and there's always when you go to israel, there's this sense of impending catastrophe hanging over the country. >> yeah, for sure . but look, the >> yeah, for sure. but look, the bottom line is that won't wash with israeli people, with ordinary israeli people, will it? the idea of a de escalate action. they want to see the end of hamas. >> they absolutely do want to see the end of hamas. my concern is these corridors for the is that these corridors for the people get are not yet people to get out are not yet efficient enough and there's not been enough help to get palestinian innocent palestinian families , children out. that's families, children out. that's what really worries me. i i, i can't see how the israelis won't bomb the hell out of the place and they'll be killing so many innocent people if we can't get these palestinians and hamas these palestinians out and hamas are blocking them from going out. course . and that's the out. of course. and that's the worst it, these people worst of it, that these people are just being held ransom. >> i think just just to add , >> i think justjust to add, though, mark, it's not just the palestinian civilians . the cost

palestinian civilians. the cost of israeli lives of going into gaza will be immense as well. obviously, there will be casualties on both sides. israeli soldiers , as they'll be israeli soldiers, as they'll be going to terrain that has been prepared for them , you know, to prepared for them, you know, to not be able to attack on the hamas will have set this booby, trapped it up . you know, they'd trapped it up. you know, they'd have been prepared for this. so there'll be a terrible cost for israeli life as well. if they go in. so you know, there's a lot to be lost on. i wonder, kulveer, whether the israelis and the israeli military and the people, the politicians , as they people, the politicians, as they see this as an existential moment for their country and therefore they will die. >> i think that's willing to and we've got to understand that we, you know, sit back slightly dispassionately, obviously seeing the terror that's being inflicted on israel , it's easy inflicted on israel, it's easy for us to say, well, let's calm down here. >> obviously, the israelis need and have to have some kind of closure or some kind of action to deal with the impact, the terror, the terror , the

terror, the terror, the terrorism that they have faced. yeah that's the thing. >> it was horrific. >> it was horrific. >> what is the further impact going to be? you know, we talked about what is the next state that will into. and that they will enter into. and i think that where we have think that that where we have a little bit time passing with little bit of time passing with each i think that's the each day, i think that's the conversation probably conversation that are probably going with israel say okay, going on with israel say okay, where go after the next where do we go after the next act this next moment in act after this next moment in a developing story, i can tell you that we're hearing nbc, the us news network, are saying that the rafah border will open at 9 am. tomorrow to allow civilians through. >> let's hope that is the case. but the issue that israel have is it is about their future, isn't it, tonya? it is about revenge and it's about the fact that hamas don't follow the rules . so therefore, they are rules. so therefore, they are the evil on earth. >> that's what they are. >> that's what they are. >> they are you can't you know, we're talking about we're talking about not not inflaming the situation. you can't negotiate with hamas, with negotiate with with hamas, with people that slit the throats of babies . babies. >> you just you just can't. it's

game over. they are evil people. >> so here's the ultimate dilemma. and this is a dilemma facing israeli military as facing the israeli military as we . let's imagine you have we speak. let's imagine you have and you do have hamas cells , and you do have hamas cells, terror cells headquartered in the basement of hospitals. do you bomb that hospital? see, that's that's the choice that i just couldn't make because my heart is bleeding for the innocent palestine . the israeli innocent palestine. the israeli general that i spoke to in the studio, he said he just gave me a bit of a politician's answer, but he said, obviously you do what can vacate that what you can to vacate that hospital. but in the end, hamas must eliminated. must be eliminated. >> i think the challenge is >> i think the challenge here is i of are military i think none of us are military experts but i'd say experts on this, but i'd say don't do what your enemy is trying to get you to do. i think that's probably where we have to get to here. there will be other routes, hopefully for israel and the international community, me to do what we need to do with hamas. look how we what are those routes? >> i mean, i feel you're perhaps looking tinted looking through rose tinted spectacles. are spectacles. as long as hamas are in running the

in gaza, you're running the place. israel are under threat. >> and think that's what >> and i think that's what israel get from the israel needs to get from the international what international community. what support they going to in support are they going to get in different to tackle? different means to tackle? >> that i mean, >> what would that be? i mean, you really sanctions hamas. >> no, no. think this is >> no, no. i think this is this is this is covert. know, is this is covert. you know, insert operations, insert urgent operations, military that go in and take these people out, but with more precision potentially . precision potentially. >> but you have to actually establish what hamas endgame was in place. know that in the first place. we know that this for this attack was planned for meticulously to for at least a yean meticulously to for at least a year. we hamas knew that the result of that would be an invasion of gaza. so the question really is , what is question really is, what is hamas think they're doing ? and hamas think they're doing? and that's what my point about iran. iran seems to be the wild card here. and the biggest danger here, i can't see that hamas would actually want to destroy their own communities unless they had a bigger picture ready to go. >> i don't think you can rationalise these hamas's view here. i don't think there's a rational argument to where they're trying to get to. i

think this is where they they take an action because they decide that's what somehow it goes through their leadership and they think that's the right thing to do. but there is no end state that they're looking at because, you know, their view of a destruction of the state of israel is just not going to happen. >> well, then we're left with sort of israel trying to outcrazy we're outcrazy the crazy. no we're looking international looking at an international community with this looking at an international commlof:y with this looking at an international commlof hamas with this looking at an international commlof hamas and with this looking at an international commlof hamas and cuts1 this looking at an international commlof hamas and cuts ithis looking at an international commlof hamas and cuts it out cancer of hamas and cuts it out much like we had to do with al—qaeda >> i mean, it is the hospital question, isn't it? you can't skirt around it. if there is a terror cell headquartered in a hospital, do you bomb that hospital? and that is the question. i'd love to know what you gbnews.com you think. mark gbnews.com rather having to rather them than me having to make folks . let's make that judgement folks. let's get on to a bit of jolly politics, shall we? public wants a spring election next year, says a poll in the i newspaper. what do you think you're ready for an election, nigel? you're ready for it on war footing. i ready for it on a war footing. i am for always am ready for it. always on manoeuvres . what do you think? manoeuvres. what do you think? a spnng manoeuvres. what do you think? a spring poll. that way. the prime

minister he's owning minister looks like he's owning the agenda. minister looks like he's owning the yeah,1a. minister looks like he's owning theyeah, i|. minister looks like he's owning theyeah, i mean , i think spring >> yeah, i mean, i think spring is a possibility . i know that is a possibility. i know that number 10 have been preparing for it. that local authorities have been asking parish councils what is the availability of polling stations. in may. and these these are councils which aren't having local elections next year. so there's got to be a reason for that. at the moment , the only way the pm can go is when the news is good. if things are looking good by may, he goes if not, end of the year. >> i've been calling for a spnng >> i've been calling for a spring election for quite a while because i think it gives the prime minister rishi sunak a chance look like he does own chance to look like he does own the that he's not the agenda that he's not clinging on for dear life. kulveer. i think it's a bold message confidence. i'm going message of confidence. i'm going early because believe early because i believe in myself. believe in my party myself. i believe in my party and i believe in my country. >> yeah, there's lots of tactics. then it sounds like you're doing speechwriting you're doing some speechwriting there potential prime there for a potential prime minister campaign . minister campaign. >> yeah, i'll step in. in emergency . so, you know, i did

emergency. so, you know, i did offer to present this morning when were a when they were having a schofield . i don't mind schofield problems. i don't mind running the country a couple schofield problems. i don't mind ru|months.> country a couple schofield problems. i don't mind ru|months.> cowclear a couple schofield problems. i don't mind ru|months.> cowclear it a couple schofield problems. i don't mind ru|months.> cowclear it withyuple of months. i'll clear it with the here. yeah you the bosses here. yeah do you know what? be by emails know what? i'll be led by emails from viewers . from my viewers. >> well you're >> you're well trained. you're well prepared. well trained and prepared. >> i think that the >> no, but i think that the messaging a spring election messaging of a spring election would sunak. would be positive for sunak. >> nigel, depend >> i think with nigel, it depend is how rishi's policy is . the is how rishi's policy is. the prime policies are prime minister's policies are looking. he's made some commitments to public about commitments to the public about what he's going what he sees he's going to be doing inflation, he's doing with inflation, what he's going the small going to be doing with the small boats, be boats, what he's going to be doing with lists. these doing with waiting lists. these are markers he's laid down doing with waiting lists. these ar(showmarkers he's laid down doing with waiting lists. these ar(show thaters he's laid down doing with waiting lists. these ar(show that he's e's laid down doing with waiting lists. these ar(show that he's performing. n to show that he's performing. and things, he and if those things, which he does getting a grip does seem to be getting a grip on things, if that on those things, if that continues , well, you continues, well, you can you know , cast the numbers either know, cast the numbers either way. but it does he is having an impact on these things . if he impact on these things. if he gets more confidence from the pubucin gets more confidence from the public in him as a prime minister, that just continues . minister, that just continues. now, he could keep building on that. it's always a risk because a week's a long time in politics. take the summer a week's a long time in poli'somethingke the summer a week's a long time in poli'something comessummer a week's a long time in poli'something comes outmer a week's a long time in poli'something comes out of r and something comes out of nowhere and it creates a further problem. there is an problem. so i think there is an opportunity the spring.

opportunity in the spring. absolutely early. the smart opportunity in the spring. absolu'isy early. the smart opportunity in the spring. absolu'is still�*ly. the smart opportunity in the spring. absolu'is still on the smart opportunity in the spring. absolu'is still on autumnsmart opportunity in the spring. absolu'is still on autumn because money is still on autumn because that a longer that will give him a longer penod that will give him a longer period hopefully get period to hopefully get the economy where he wants it to be. and it always really is when it comes down to it about economy. >> and rishi quite clear >> and rishi made it quite clear at tory conference he was leaving the party behind. it had suddenly of rishi. suddenly become a cult of rishi. we became i in his speech and it was all about me, me, me and the idea is vote for him . and i idea is vote for him. and i think that possibly calvi is right there should he be able to meet the targets that he's set himself, then he could go early. >> it's not meeting the targets that he set himself. >> let's be honest. there is just no hope. and i think the longer it takes for us to have an election, the better, because then the independents will be able themselves better. >> are you talking about reform uk and others? >> talking about anybody who >> i'm talking about anybody who has a true set neutral ideologies who believes in freedom of speech , who believes freedom of speech, who believes in the way that we should be living here in the west. i don't know what's been going on with

the conservatives lately. i don't i've never understood it's all it's all no, no . and all bad. it's all no, no. and also, you know, don't talk to me about albeit bad, because your guy a woman is. guy can't tell what a woman is. i for me, game over i mean, for me, it's game over there. completely game over i mean, for me, it's game over tiwel. completely game over i mean, for me, it's game over tiwel. need jletely game over i mean, for me, it's game over tiwel. need something|e over i mean, for me, it's game over tiwel. need something else. tr . we just need something else. what we've had so far is not working for us. >> so you'd like to have an october poll so that the smaller parties can mobilise and possibly influence the outcome . possibly influence the outcome. >> what do you think? would you like in spring like an election in the spring market? gbnews.com coming up, more of tomorrow's newspaper market? gbnews.com coming up, more pages10rrow's newspaper market? gbnews.com coming up, more pages asrow's newspaper market? gbnews.com coming up, more pages asro thinkewspaper market? gbnews.com coming up, more pages asro thinkewspapgot front pages as i think we've got the mirror . what else have we the mirror. what else have we got? greg a few other we got? greg i think a few other we got? greg i think a few other we got the mail as well. the mail newspaper which is believe newspaper which is i believe the most english language most read english language newspaper the newspaper in the world. and the mirror, papers mirror, both good papers and the telegraph but look, telegraph as well. but look, also, my pundits will be nominating their headline heroes also, my pundits will be nombacklg their headline heroes also, my pundits will be nomback pageir headline heroes also, my pundits will be nom back page zeros dline heroes also, my pundits will be nom back page zeros don't heroes also, my pundits will be nom back page zeros don't go oes and back page zeros don't go anywhere. we've saved our best till .

okay, headline heroes and back page zeros coming up. but first, let's have a look at more front pages. here's the mirror and they lead with fears of an all out war. israel is facing a fight on three fronts. un plea to end the hell of innocent people. also, madge magic and mayhem on tour. madonna there in her world tour getting five star reviews. fair play also kate the princess of wales is wales is given something to celebrate well done england in the rugby daily mail the police are coming for you if you glorify terrorism . the daily telegraph. israel vows to destroy lebanon. if war spreads. also, terror officers help inquiry after killing outside migrant centre . okay outside migrant centre. okay folks , we'll look we'll get to folks, we'll look we'll get to your headline heroes and back page your headline heroes and back page zeros. a little bit of developing news. i can't say breaking news because that's polly's job, but i can say that a story has kicked off and it's happened on my phone actually. mrs. dolan's been in touch and

she's turned the heater on for the first time this year. what does she think i'm made of? money have you got the heat on mark gbnews.com is at the moment is at the moment of the year when the old radiators get fired up. will you switch on the fire? let me know what's happening in your house. but shay dolan , the your house. but shay dolan, the heat is on. anyone else? have you got the heat on today? >> changed thermostats. this weekend? >> did last week ? >> did last week? >> did last week? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> last week. you went early. >> last week. you went early. >> yeah, early. yeah. >> yeah, we went early. yeah. >> yeah, we went early. yeah. >> was still warm last week. >> it was still warm last week. >> it was still warm last week. >> no, i decided we'd prepare for winter. >> i, i just. >> i, i just. >> i, i just. >> i could just already feel the bills through the post. bills coming through the post. it is an annual event, though. it's a moment in the year, isn't it? when the heat goes on. it's a moment in the year, isn't it? actuallye heat goes on. it's a moment in the year, isn't it? actually walking)es on. it's a moment in the year, isn't it? actually walking today. it's a moment in the year, isn't it? actually walking today is >> actually walking today is beautiful sunlight, it's beautiful sunlight, but it's really, really yeah, it really, really chilly. yeah, it was time. >> central heating was time. >: like central heating was time. >:like a central heating was time. >:like a luxury central heating was time. >:like a luxury or entral heating was time. >:like a luxury or istral heating was time. >:like a luxury or is it|l heating was time. >:like a luxury or is it a heating is like a luxury or is it a human right? >> it's a human right, but it is a luxury to have it all i've got. >> we debated this last year. i've got one derful viewers and listeners an older listeners who are of an older vintage say, look, in

vintage and they say, look, in the 50s, was no the 1940s and 50s, there was no central heating. we've got very used have gone soft? used to it. have we gone soft? >> we have actually. forget about 1940s husband about 1940s 50s. my husband tells me that when he was younger didn't have central younger they didn't have central heating his house and it was heating in his house and it was just room the just the front room with the fire and all kind fire in it and they'd all kind of there. actually of huddle in there. actually i think for think it's really great for family. one room family. if you have one room that's hot, then you get to spend time with your children. >> reinstate the >> we've got to reinstate the fireplaces, that's the fireplaces, though. that's the problem. those all problem. yeah, we rip those all out, didn't we? >> climate and you have >> climate change. and you have just back saying just texted mr dolan back saying switch just texted mr dolan back saying swi i'm not made of money. wear >> i'm not made of money. wear another jumper. >> i'm not made of money. wear anotherjumper. so let's see another jumper. so let's see what kind of reception i get when i get home. >> a cold one, i think. yes >> a cold one, i think. yes >> frosty. a little bit frosty. okay tonya's okay let's get tonya's headline hero day. hero of the day. >> my headline, hero is our >> so my headline, hero is our very own allison pearson because she has written some absolutely incredible columns in the daily mail. there have been so emotive about what's going on. so if you just want to read about what's going from a mother's going on from from a mother's point of view, from point of view, actually from a woman's point of view, i think that she's just wonderful. and also she's one us, also she's one of us, a candidate for one of the well,

the best journalists in the country. >> absolutely unmissable every every week in the in the telegraph , sometimes more often telegraph, sometimes more often than that. write your headline hero who many people will hero a man who many people will not have heard of, but he is a dear friend mine. dear friend of mine. >> so will declare that is >> so i will declare that is nevin truesdale, who this week has out major reforms has set out some major reforms on the globe's major on one of the globe's major sporting events, the grand national. and we all love the national. and we all love the national. even if you're not a racing fan, you know it's happening somewhere in the world. someone will put a only bet. on in a year. bet. they'll put on in a year. but the jockey club but what the jockey club underneath really careful , underneath nev's really careful, considered common sense approach have looked and they've always done let's be clear horses done this. let's be clear horses welfare comes first, you know. but what looked at is but what they've looked at is saying, how do we make it even safer? it safer? how do we make it a better spectacle? and they've doneit better spectacle? and they've done it data. they've done it through data. they've looked speeds that the looked at the speeds that the horses have been racing, how it's increasing it's been increasing because they're trained. it's been increasing because thethey've trained. it's been increasing because thethey've moved trained. it's been increasing because thethey've moved traithe. so they've moved one of the fences to slow down the speeds they've they'll take at they've taken. they'll take at least, six horses out. least, i think, six horses out. so be 34in the field. so so it'll be 34in the field. so it won't so chaotic at the

it won't be so chaotic at the start cutting that that potential for fatality or potential for any fatality or injuries the horses and injuries to the horses and making something that making it just something that everyone enjoy rather everyone can really enjoy rather than be concerned about the welfare of the animals. and i think that's fantastic job. think that's a fantastic job. but he's also brought the horse racing together around racing community together around this very this and done this in a very wonderful this and done this in a very worwhatl this and done this in a very worwhat a worthy nominee. nigel, >> what a worthy nominee. nigel, briefly, can, your briefly, if you can, your headune briefly, if you can, your headline . headline hero. >> yeah, it's the ten british hostages by hamas the hostages held by hamas at the moment. the moment. they'll need all the heroism they muster to get heroism they can muster to get through that ordeal. >> so you says it's three degrees outside and our boiler is not working. >> why does the boiler always break when it gets cold? bruce says no heat till trick or treats. graham i live in scotland so the heating's been for on ages. cost me a fortune. i for on ages. cost me a fortune. l pay for on ages. cost me a fortune. i pay more tax up here as well. graham let's get rid of that. snp shall we? okay. briefly your back zeros. back page zeros. >> khan . i mean >> oh, sidique khan. i mean i mean just just sidique khan . i mean just just sidique khan. i don't have to justify it. don't even have to justify it. sidique khan really, for everything done. but everything that he's done. but mainly hasn't really mainly because he hasn't really called out these dreadful protests been backing protests that have been backing hamas, on in his hamas, have been going on in his alleged so sadiq khan

okay. >> well, to be fair to me, khan, he has spoken out about any hate towards any groups in london. not enough. but but obviously you're entitled to your view. now, , your back page. now, briefly, your back page. >> zomlot , who i may not >> husam zomlot, who i may not pronounce that correctly, but he's palestinian ambassador he's the palestinian ambassador to the uk , unable to condemn to the uk, unable to condemn hamas today on a rival broadcast . in an interview he was doing, ijust . in an interview he was doing, i just found that how he could not say that what they did was wrong, that it's terror, that it's evil. that is the fundamental problem when we have this debate that we must have decent palestinians calling out hamas and the ambassador to the uk must be one of them. >> jeremy for corbyn similar reasons. they've got a lot of time for corbyn, but not when he doesn't condemn hamas. >> amen to that . jason says. >> amen to that. jason says. obviously none of you live up north. we've had the heating on for a month now. i'm back tomorrow at nine. headliners is next. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast

provided by the met office . if provided by the met office. if you enjoyed the fine conditions we've had around weekend, we've had around this weekend, we've had around this weekend, we holding on that we will be holding on to that into start new week into the start of the new week as a lot nice as well. a lot of nice conditions end this evening conditions to end this evening with as well. few scattered with as well. a few scattered showers for coastal showers for some coastal districts but most districts in the north, but most of will staying dry. some of us will be staying dry. some isolated mist patches isolated mist and fog patches are overnight and are possible overnight and temperatures will tumbling temperatures will be tumbling down mid low single down a bit mid to low single figures our towns and cities. figures in our towns and cities. rural can a touch rural spots can expect a touch of frost, particularly for central southern scotland down into so quite central southern scotland down inchilly so quite central southern scotland down inchilly to so quite central southern scotland down inchilly to mondayo quite central southern scotland down inchilly to monday morning a chilly start to monday morning . there will also be a touch more cloud around on monday compared to the weekend. so i can't promise wall to wall can't promise the wall to wall sunshine, but some of us had throughout and sunday, throughout saturday and sunday, but some brightness still poking through sunshine there, through hazy sunshine in there, showers feeding into the far southeast few days southeast of england a few days across northern scotland as well . temperatures up by . and temperatures perhaps up by a so compared to a degree or so compared to sunday, around 11 to sunday, generally around 11 to 13 c. the winds, though, will be strengthening in the south—west, and that is due to this area of low pressure that is gradually going to push its way northwards as head towards tuesday. so as we head towards tuesday. so increasingly see

increasingly starting to see gales parts of wales gales develop for parts of wales and southwest england as we head into tuesday. most of should into tuesday. most of us should stay dry during daylight hours, though. this shield though. just this shield of cloud gradually pushing way cloud gradually pushing its way northward so sunshine northward. so again, sunshine turning hazier in places. this rain, though, will eventually move its way in as we head into the the week. the middle part of the week. potentially

>> good evening . >> good evening. >> good evening. >> you're with gb news. and our top story tonight, the us secretary of state says the egyptian controlled rafah border crossing should reopen , reopen crossing should reopen, reopen some reports suggesting 9:00 in the morning local time. some reports suggesting 9:00 in the morning local time . that's the morning local time. that's 11:00 our time for aid to pass through into gaza. we're also heanng through into gaza. we're also hearing that some palestinians with dual nationality will also be able to pass through the checkpoint . anthony blinken says checkpoint. anthony blinken says the us is working with egypt, israel and the united nations to get assistance through to hundreds of tonnes of aid from