to this country. prisons we know by now, don't we, that they are overcrowded. my solution? simple. build some more. then books are just the secretary has some other radical ideas. how about keeping low level criminals out of prison ? he criminals out of prison? he suggests. get them into the community. we get them doing some work . really? would you some work. really? would you support that? is that how we fix crime in this country? i don't think so. but maybe you do. and

also, news which will not surprise pretty much anyone according to experts net migration to the uk is unlikely to fall below pre brexit levels for years to come. have we lost control of immigration? did we even have control in the first place? we've got all of that to come and more. but before we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb news room is that the us secretary of state has been in israel today. he's been holding talks with senior leaders over how to get aid into gaza. antony blinken's visit comes as doctors struggle to help rising numbers of patients, including children injured in airstrikes. the united nations is warning the humanity situation on the gaza strip is deteriorating quickly . hospitals deteriorating quickly. hospitals are running short on medicine and fuel with only the most serious cases able to receive

vital treatment . and the prime vital treatment. and the prime minister's confirmed in the house of commons this afternoon that at least six british citizens were killed in hamas's attack on israel and a further ten are missing. earlier, mps and peers observed a minute silence with the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle , saying the whole lindsay hoyle, saying the whole house is shocked by the recent terrorist attack on israel by hamas, which sunak told the chamber he unequivocally supports both british jews and muslims. he also announced an extra £10 million in humanitarian aid for gaza , humanitarian aid for gaza, saying the palestinian people are victims of hamas to addressing the british jewish community directly. the prime minister said the government is doing everything it can to protect them . protect them. >> we stand with you now and always . this atrocity was an always. this atrocity was an existential double strike at the very idea of israel as a safe homeland for the jewish people . homeland for the jewish people. i understand why it has shaken

you to your core, and i am sickened by that. antisemitic incidents have increased since the attack . we are doing the attack. we are doing everything that we can to protect you . protect you. >> well, the prime minister visited a jewish secondary school in north london this morning , reassuring students his morning, reassuring students his government will always support them. he also said he's working with israel to minimise the war's impact on civilians. mean while egypt is under pressure today to open the rafah crossing , it was due to open first thing this morning . it sits on the this morning. it sits on the south of the gaza strip on its border with israel and calls are being made for the safe passage of humanitarian aid. along with the evacuation of foreign nationals from the area across the rafah crossing . israel says the rafah crossing. israel says nearly 200 hostages are being held in the area by the terrorist group . and gaza's terrorist group. and gaza's health ministry says more than

2800 palestinian have been killed since the 7th of october, with nearly 11,000 wounded by israeli airstrikes . israeli israeli airstrikes. israeli military forces outside gaza continue to prepare for their ground offensive. the country's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , vowing at the weekend netanyahu, vowing at the weekend to demolish hamas and the us president , joe biden, saying president, joe biden, saying he's confident israel will act within the rules of war. but added there must be a path to a palestinian . state here in the palestinian. state here in the uk, a man once suspected of being part of an islamic state death squad known as the beatles, has pleaded guilty to terrorism charges as anna lesley davis appeared via video link from belmarsh prison and admitted possessing a firearm for terrorism purposes and two counts of funding terrorism . counts of funding terrorism. he'll be sentenced next month. a conservative mp accused of bullying and sexual misconduct is facing suspension . a

is facing suspension. a parliamentary panel found that peter bone committed varied acts of bullying and an act of sexual misconduct against a member of his staff in 2012 and 2013. on the panel is recommended he be suspended for six weeks, a move that could trigger a recall petition and another possible by—election a member for wellingborough denies the allegation . owens, describing allegation. owens, describing them as factually false . now, them as factually false. now, them as factually false. now, the foreign secretary is in albania to help tackle illegal migration. james cleverly's been attending the annual berlin process summit in tirana , along process summit in tirana, along with western balkan and european leaders. he's expected to look for cooperation on the movement of migrants as the government works to stop small boats crossing the channel. experts believe net migration to the uk is unlikely to drop below 250,000 a year by the end of the decade. net migration stood at 606,000 last year, with the war

in ukraine and arrivals from hong kong contributing to numbers. but the migration observatory at the university of oxford and the london school of economics say going fonnard the figure will be largely driven by international students . you're international students. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thanks for that, polly. well hello everybody. i've missed you. whilst i have been away and what a week . it has been what a week. it has been horrendous stuff going on the world over. so it seems delighted to have a new face to my panel to help dissect and debate some of the goings on. matthew goodwin is a professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent and joe phillips, a political commentator . and also political commentator. and also from kent exactly . from kent exactly. >> we probably came on the same train, but didn't see each. >> you didn't know each other?

you were strangers on the way. strangers a train. not on the strangers on a train. not on the way, lord. yes. there you go. anyway, drill, anyway, you know the drill, don't dewbs& co is not don't you? on dewbs& co is not just about us three. it's very much about you guys and how i have missed talking to you over this week. so get your this last week. so do get your thoughts feelings thoughts and your feelings coming email. if coming in on the email. if that's thing. that's your thing. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you reach on twitter x or reach me on twitter or x or whatever it is at gb news. now, of course, prime minister rishi sunak has been busy speaking in parliament this afternoon. he's reiterating that of course the uk's covid donation of the hamas attack and he says that more than 1300 people were murdered by hamas with brits very sadly, unfortunately, among those killed. let's have a listen . killed. let's have a listen. >> with a heavy heart, i can inform the house that at least six british citizens were killed. a further ten are missing. some of whom are feared to be among the dead. >> yeah. so the plan for this show, i was then going to move seamlessly over to tel aviv to

bnng seamlessly over to tel aviv to bring you charlie peters, who you'll be familiar with by now, i'm sure is out there. he was going to up to bring us up to date on all the latest goings on of the day. unfortunately we got wind that he has been moved into a as we speak. so a shelter as we speak. so instead , i'll bring my panels instead, i'll bring my panels straight that just kind straight in and that just kind of, it home to of, you know, brings it home to me. mean , literally, we're due me. i mean, literally, we're due to to people and just gone to talk to people and just gone hopefully their safety . yeah. hopefully to their safety. yeah. you know, this is just not stop now. you know, i was aware on houday now. you know, i was aware on holiday last week and i'm not ashamed to admit that this put a real dampener on the holiday thinking i just couldn't get it out my head no matter how out of my head no matter how much right. come on, much i tried. right. come on, just and switch i just just try and switch off. i just can't the imagery, the can't get the imagery, the horrendous imagery, of horrendous imagery, a lot of which that i hadn't which i wish that i hadn't actually i must confess, actually seen. i must confess, cannot it out of my mind. cannot get it out of my mind. and for me, this feels like it's getting much as days getting much worse as the days go opposed to much go on, as opposed to much better. what do you make to it all? >> well, i think firstly, let's hope charlie is okay. he's a great journalist and a brave

journalist at that. i think what we've seen over the we've seen in britain over the last week i found quite troubling and quite depressing . troubling and quite depressing. i've tried to put myself in the shoes of britain's jewish community and communities and try and think about how i would perceive these events of the last week and i would be, i think, quite shaken by seeing the way in which some of our national institutions have respond. and we've seen the bbc refuse to refer to hamas as terrorists. i know we're going to talk about that later on. >> we are indeed. you've just provided a segue, just provided a good segue, butjust hold because you're hold that thought because you're quite will be touching quite right. we will be touching on probably in about, i on the bbc probably in about, i think is at think that protest is due at about 6:30. we'll be crossing about 6:30. so we'll be crossing to see what's going on. but for now, just word. now, i've just got word. oh, okay. i've just got word. apparently that peters apparently that charlie peters is join us. is available to join us. i thought was ready and poised, thought it was ready and poised, but been told he just but i've just been told he just needs couple minutes. needs a couple more minutes. well, me babble on. well, let me babble on. >> let me babble on a minute >> let me babble on for a minute until get to charlie. we've until we get to charlie. we've also seen in wembley stadium and

important the national important symbol of the national community refused show the community refused to show the colours showed community refused to show the col(colours showed community refused to show the col( colours of showed community refused to show the col(colours of belgium,owed community refused to show the col(colours of belgium, france , the colours of belgium, france, ukraine, turkey, the ukraine, turkey, even the rainbow in solidarity. but rainbow flag in solidarity. but you see, i'm about to voice anneliese . anneliese. >> i'll voice an unpopular opinion to that. i've not had my £0.10 worth on this because i was aware. i actually don't think that football should have been getting involved in any of those societal issues as the histories have gone by. and i think now it's put itself in an awkward position, as you say, when comes to that. wembley awkward position, as you say, when my�*omes to that. wembley awkward position, as you say, when my�*omesisy that. wembley awkward position, as you say, when my�*omesis thatt. wembley awkward position, as you say, when my�*omesis that you embley awkward position, as you say, when my�*omesis that you should arch. my view is that you should have politics and have stayed out of politics and societal issues and just focussed football the focussed on football in the first sure first place. sure >> but i mean it didn't it took a conscious decision to get involved in things like that and black so forth. involved in things like that and blefor so forth. involved in things like that and blefor many so forth. involved in things like that and blefor many british so forth. involved in things like that and blefor many british jews,y forth. so for many british jews, i think what they see is an imbalanced approach. they see an asymmetry in how we're responding these events . and responding to these events. and i've as i say, quite i've been, as i say, quite shaken by way in which very shaken by the way in which very few organisations that you would expect to speak out about these atrocities have remained eerily quiet. universities fell over themselves to demonstrate

solidarity with george floyd, have said very little at all. the british muslim organisations have not been particularly outspoken. many organisations on the left of politics, labour mps and others have not been actually as outspoken as you would ordinarily suggest had we had. >> do you think that is? >> do you think that is? >> i think that's a bit unfair. matt actually. i mean, you have seen this afternoon a pretty united house of commons, right? >> hang on. >> hang on. >> labour mp saying some pretty unsavoury things on that moment of uniting. >> i just want to bring in charlie because don't know how charlie because i don't know how long i've got him for, so i'm really sorry to interrupt, but just cross live tel just let me cross live to tel aviv to charlie peters. good evening, charlie. bring evening, charlie. just bring us up speed the latest up to speed with the latest goings you will. goings on, if you will. >> sure. well, it's been a strange day in tel aviv and indeed throughout israel, as news broke this morning of a potential opening of the rafah crossing from gaza into egypt amid that dire humanitarian

situation, those hopes were then dashed. they were renewed a few hours later when a us spokesperson told reporters in cairo that there might be an opportunity for it to open this afternoon. but that's not happened. we've not had any reports of that successfully happening. indeed, the activity we've seen on rafah crossing we've seen on the rafah crossing this evening is shelling two shells landing near the entrance from the gaza side into egypt in the north, we've seen an escalation of the conflict between lebanese hezbollah and that iran backed military force in the north coming in from south lebanon. skirmishes there escalating beyond small arms fire and shelling into rocket attacks and missile attacks to targeted on israeli outposts and the israelis responding in kind with helicopter gunships and artillery shelling of their own . artillery shelling of their own. this afternoon, prime minister benjamin netanyahu , who told benjamin netanyahu, who told iran , don't get involved. we are iran, don't get involved. we are watching you do not do this, he offered a very firm rebuke to any potential involvement of

iranian proxies there, getting worse as that situation escalates , israel idf commanders escalates, israel idf commanders say they are ready to fight on two fronts, but they are preparing for that invasion of the gaza strip in the south and maintaining both that invasion in their first since 2014. amid the worst violence this country has seen for 50 years, while also defending themselves from not only the iranian proxies in south lebanon, but also troops in the syrian border and on the golan heights would be a significant challenge . and at significant challenge. and at the same time today we have seen a flaring of tensions in the west bank amid all the chaos across the country, people have quietly missed the fact that this has been deadliest week this has been the deadliest week on record since the un started counting the west bank over counting in the west bank over 50 been killed there 50 people have been killed there as violence and disruption continues . this morning, the idf continues. this morning, the idf announced that they had arrested hundreds of people overnight and captured all sorts of weapons and ammunition in that region. thatis and ammunition in that region. that is going be a conflict that is going to be a conflict zone to watch in the coming

days. but overall picture, days. but the overall picture, the in general is one the situation in general is one of chaos, a grave humanitarian situation the gaza strip, as situation on the gaza strip, as the israelis hope that civilians will move from the north to the south so that they can prepare for that land invasion the for that land invasion in the north. and in the northern territories on the border with southern lebanon, a heightening of situation, israeli of that situation, israeli soldiers dying, lebanese hezbollah being hit by missiles. it's looking extremely precarious indeed . precarious indeed. >> charlie peters, thank you for what you're doing over there. and do stay safe. i apologise . i and do stay safe. i apologise. i interrupted you. right. >> i mean, i was just making the point, you know, matt wanted to pick on some labour mps who have not condemned israel . i don't not condemned israel. i don't know who they are, whether you want to name them. but what we have seen by large since the have seen by and large since the atrocities a week ago was absolute solidarity across labour and tories and i think there's been absolute and quite right condemnation of hamas. we have also seen tory mps crispin

blunt, for instance, asking quite rightly again in my view that we reiterate attempts to pressurise israel to be mindful of the humanitarian crisis that is unfolding in gaza and in the last half an hour or so, just before we came on air, we've seen very nasty warnings coming out of iran. we've seen anthony blinken, the american secretary of state not now going back to america, as had been planned, but going on to amman in jordan. and i didn't realise to my shame and ignorance that because of the impasse that is happening in washington , america doesn't washington, america doesn't actually have an ambassador to israel at the moment, nor does it have anybody in charge of counterterrorism within the middle east because they're stuck in their their own sort of stagnated state in the senate. so you know, this is got wider

ramifications than what is happening in britain . this has happening in britain. this has got the possibility of bringing people in from around the region and coming into a full scale war. but, you know, at the heart of this is a full scale war. >> what do you mean? because i think that it's important that we try because there's so many people right now that are frightened and there's a lot of stuff going around on social media and places like that. that's not perhaps as accurate as, oh, i'm sure absolutely . and as, oh, i'm sure absolutely. and i think people are so terrified. and when we see it from the comfort of a desk going, oh, yeah, we're about to head to a war, like really no, i know. >> i think that's very >> and i think that's a very fair point, michel. absolutely. and i think people, particularly younger feel and i think people, particularly younfrightened, feel and i think people, particularly younfrightened, quite feel very frightened, quite understandably, what could understandably, about what could happen. but i think we know that the middle east has always been very precarious and it's a tinderbox. but what we are seeing is potential involvement of iran, the involvement that we've already seen between

russia and syria. you've then got, you know, what is putin making of all of this, rubbing his hands with glee while we're not concentrating on ukraine or the balkans , and there will be the balkans, and there will be an impact. but you know what? we have to remember is at the heart of this, the real people who are suffering are israelis and palestinians on both sides, innocent people. let me bring in one of those people, actually, because joining me down the line now is really australian citizen ronit. >> she joins me down the line now. she was brought from israel to london, actually by the australian government. and this is a very interesting conversation because a lot of people have been quite critical of the uk government here saying that perhaps our questioning are we fast enough to get we moving fast enough to get people israel? so i'm people out of israel? so i'm interested perspective interested in your perspective on were brought, as on it. you were brought, as i just mentioned, by oscar alia, essentially to london. what was it like there whilst you were waiting, ang essentially to be

rescued from that war zone . rescued from that war zone. >> well, i wasn't actually waiting to be rescued. my decision was a very last minute decision. i actually didn't want to leave israel just to give a summary of how my experience so since the attacks, i've been feeling high anxiety , fear, fury feeling high anxiety, fear, fury , anger. we've had thousands and thousands of rockets fired onto us. and that's just the beginning. deep sorrow and pain and sadness . i have no words to and sadness. i have no words to describe the sorrow and sadness for our innocent israeli citizens who have been murdered , citizens who have been murdered, who have been slaughtered, butchered , were being raped, who butchered, were being raped, who have been burnt alive, who have been been executed . they took been been executed. they took hostages. hamas has taken hostages. hamas has taken hostages . now lies at about 200 hostages. now lies at about 200 hostages. now lies at about 200 hostages as they torture . the hostages as they torture. the hostages as they torture. the hostages mutilated babies, mutilating people executing,

executing hostages, beheading babies and innocent people , babies and innocent people, dragging people through the streets and naked and it doesn't end there hosting these things on social media, posting their murders of families and slaughter and butchering . and slaughter and butchering. and it's incomprehension will have no word to describe what is going on at the moment, posting it to social media and posting it to social media and posting it to social media and posting it to people's facebook profiles for their families to see them murdered and butchered. i mean , murdered and butchered. i mean, i wonder again and again , what i wonder again and again, what would the what would england or australia or any other country do if this was happening to them? so i've just been feeling extremely angry and in pain, like heartbroken , like many of like heartbroken, like many of us around the world, in israel, you don't have to be israeli or jewish to be heartbroken or outraged . you just have to be a outraged. you just have to be a human being . it's been a human being. it's been a terribly difficult week and my

heart is in israel. that's all i can think about. these poor people , hamas is isis. and the people, hamas is isis. and the world needs to understand that they kill every being, everything that's living. they they kill even the family. even, you know, when they when they came and murdered families in their homes and destroyed their homes and slaughtered them and butchered them front of their butchered them in front of their families, they also murdered pet dogs, cats, anything sight ? dogs, cats, anything in sight? hamas, world needs to hamas, isis world needs to understand that. yeah >> i'm really sorry to hear of your experience, but we thank your experience, but we thank you for sharing it with us and we hope that your loved ones remain as safe as is possible. but for now, thank you very much for time. i'm going to for your time. now i'm going to take a quick when i come take a quick break. when i come back, to you guys back, i want to bring you guys into the conversation as well as a bit from my panel a little bit more from my panel also there's a protest also as well. there's a protest about imminently about to begin imminently outside have you outside of the bbc. have you seen some of the goings on there? what do make to it there? what do you make to it all? you tell me and i'll see you .

news radio. hi there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, gb views at gb news aukus. >> com. that made no sense whatsoever . i'm saying alongside whatsoever. i'm saying alongside me an email address . what me an email address. what i meant to say is you two fabulous people are along . we are an people are along. we are an email address but also it's not just about us three. it's about you guys at home as well. that's what i was trying to say to you can you can tell that i'm can tell you can tell that i'm still a little bit in holiday mode. and gbnews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou and gbnews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou get and gbnews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou get hold nd gbnews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou get hold of gbnews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou get hold of menews.com is still a little bit in holiday modyou get hold of me tonight.n is how you get hold of me tonight. matt you went viral actually this afternoon speaking on the bbc. we're going to be crossing live there in a second because there's a protest gearing up, getting ready to go. what do you think about the bbc's handling of this situation ? of this situation? >> i don't think it's been great. i think the refusal to refer to hamas as a terrorist organisation or a group that is

proscribed by the state for being a terrorist organisation, a group that 66% of all voters in this country think is a terrorist organisation, which clearly, based on the actions last week, is a terrorist organisation . and i don't think organisation. and i don't think really that looks good at all. and actually the bbc's claim that it doesn't describe groups as terrorist, it merely describes how other people describes how other people describe those groups is not true either. footage has emerged today of the bbc's response to 9/11, where it was quite explicit in referring to some groups as terrorist organisations, and i think what concerns people within the british jewish community in particular i think is this sense that when it comes to british jews, there is a sort of a double standard that is applied, that they're not taken as seriously as other minority communities , cities. and i was communities, cities. and i was looking at the protests over the weekend in london, you know, where you had people chasing a man who was waving an his flag

of israel, threatening to beat him up and behead him. you had young women with paraglider badges on which is glorifying terrorism . um, and i think many terrorism. um, and i think many british jews were looking at this and thinking how on earth is this happening in britain in 2023? if that protest had 2023? and if that protest had been, know , involving been, you know, involving members a far right group or members of a far right group or expressing support any other members of a far right group or expreof ng support any other members of a far right group or expreof extremism any other members of a far right group or expreof extremism or any other members of a far right group or expreof extremism or tacit other form of extremism or tacit support for that form of extremism , we wouldn't have extremism, we wouldn't have tolerated it for a second. you see, i saw that the graphic that you're talking about, those girls had the paragliding girls that had the paragliding thing their back and i thing on their back and i couldn't quite work what has couldn't quite work out what has someone just gone up behind them and shoved that on their back? >> did they know that that was on their back because. >> don't but don't >> but don't forget but don't forget came hours after black forget it came hours after black lives matter put a poster , lives matter put out a poster, the chicago chapter of the paragliders. >> the point, michel, is making is they might not even have known that they were on their backs. >> but what i'm trying to get at is i cannot comprehend that an individual would really be

seriously sit there and think it's a good thing that someone has paraglided into innocent people and slaughtered them. i can't get my head around anyone . can't get my head around anyone. >> well, i don't think i don't think you struggle with that when so many people supporting 9/11 in parts of the world. >> don't. were >> i don't. they were celebrating and clapping. so let's not downplay it. >> surely not that it's sure to go london street in go out onto a london street in broad daylight, right? knowingly. sellotaped knowingly. would that sellotaped onto you? maybe i'm just being a little bit too kind to people's mentalities, but i think there is a huge danger here. >> and i think because tensions are and have historically always been quite delicate, i mean, at the weekend there was red paint thrown over the bbc at new broadcasting house apparently by a pro—palestinian organisation claiming that their report was or reporting was biased . tonight or reporting was biased. tonight there's a protest there organised by a jewish group. so you know, if you've got two

groups saying you you're getting your coverage wrong, then probably you're going right through the middle. i think , you through the middle. i think, you know, think many people find know, i think many people find it difficult to understand because hamas is a proscribed organisation in this country, so therefore it is illegal. and i think that is one of the difficulties in the bbc stance. but i completely appreciate it that when they've got people out in the field , as you have with in the field, as you have with charlie peters , you need to be charlie peters, you need to be absolutely unbowed , biased in absolutely unbowed, biased in order to have access , in order order to have access, in order to come up with the impartial, proper reporting that is valued in the world. >> facts, bias . you tell me at >> facts, bias. you tell me at home i'm going to cross. we've been speaking about the bbc, so let's cross live our reporter theo chikomba. he is live there now. good evening to you, theo . now. good evening to you, theo. oh, he has . and he was there and oh, he has. and he was there and now he's not. so i will show you some live shots there from outside aid. oh, everything's gone as well . okay. that's not

gone as well. okay. that's not a problem. we shall. yes, he was. we shall carry on the conversation here then. anyway so this is a protest that's been organised by the national jewish assembly , basically, and to the assembly, basically, and to the point we've just been discussing. they are accusing the of this continued bias the bbc of this continued bias and this i mean, i did show you and this i mean, i did show you a clip just before the break. you can see there is an you can see that there is an awful lot of people now gathering tempers and emotions , gathering tempers and emotions, of running high. of course, are running high. now, you might have seen the coverage. i saw it whilst i was off. i think it was sheffield town hall or something. someone had put on his really flag and then somebody had kind of scaled it, took the israeli flag down and replaced it with a palestinian one. and i was i was watching that thinking it almost it didn't even feel real. i mean , i know it was real, but it didn't feel real. and this is what i'm saying. i don't know if i am just being a little bit too kind to the mindset of certain people, because i think to myself and there is obviously a distinction between hamas and your average palestinian. i'm

not to kind of merge them not trying to kind of merge them all as one, but in this day and age , how can you sit and feel age, how can you sit and feel that? actually it's okay for me to side with for whatever reasons ? let's you know, for reasons? let's you know, for whatever reason, whatever motivations with people that are behaving in such a horrendous , behaving in such a horrendous, awful, unimaginable way. and i just can't believe that it's happening. and i'll be interested to see whether or not there's any counter—protests to there's any counter—protests to the one that's about to occur outside the bbc. >> i'm not surprised it's happening at all. i mean, i heard the fireworks the heard the fireworks and the celebrating on edgware road in london in the aftermath of the attacks in israel. we know from surveys that about between 2 and 6% of britain's muslim communities simply . ties with communities simply. ties with islamist terrorists. we know that from the surveys, the community security trust this week has said there's been a 300% in anti—semitic 300% increase in anti—semitic incidents the uk, and we know

incidents in the uk, and we know that children are that british jewish children are being told not to show symbols of their faith when they're walking to and from school. so the reality is we do have a problem with antisemit ism in britain, which i would argue is mainly coming from an assortment of far left radical, far left activists and radical islamists who have a very warped view of jews and of israel and of hamas . jews and of israel and of hamas. and so if we were upholding the british law, people who express sympathy for hamas , like those sympathy for hamas, like those two girls at the demonstrate , two girls at the demonstrate, and if indeed they put the signs on themselves, they should be treated like supporters of isis . treated like supporters of isis. there's no fundamental difference between isis and hamas. there is no fundamental difference that has been made very clear by the prime minister and the home secretary that anybody who is supporting hamas, the proscribed terror group, is breaking the law . breaking the law. >> that doesn't preclude you.

and shouldn't preclude you from supporting the palestinian people who are not all hamas. and they shouldn't be lumped together. and there will be many people you know, we've just seen several minutes given to a woman whose view of israel was her own view. that's fine . there's no view. that's fine. there's no balance against that unless you've got somebody coming up to talk to us from from gaza . but i talk to us from from gaza. but i think, you know, it is a very, very emotive topic for all sorts of very understandable reasons. but i think, you know, there has always been the difficulty that you can be and in fact, many people in israel have been deeply, deeply opposed to benjamin netanyahu. and you know, you could argue that actually because he had fractured democracy in in the one democratic country in the middle east, he was probably caught napping, which allowed the terrorists to attack. you know, that will never probably come out. but there has always

been a problem. i think , for been a problem. i think, for some people to think that they cannot not criticise israel . cannot not criticise israel. well. and what israel does for fear of being accused of being anti—semitic. >> yeah, but that's a simple thing. for example, do you think jeremy corbyn, who is a former party leader of the labour party, a very prominent national politician, should he have come out after the attacks and unequivocally hamas ? unequivocally condemned hamas? >> he doesn't speak for the labour . he speaks for labour party. he speaks for himself. >> but you you see the >> but do you see do you see the frustration many british frustration that many british jews ? yes. but here jews would have? yes. but here is leader of is a former leader of a mainstream party who could currently prime minister if currently be prime minister if he'd general he'd won the last general election. ridiculous. that's >> that's ridiculous. that's what about. >> no, it isn't. it isn't. >> no, it isn't. no, it isn't. what about couldn't prime what about he couldn't be prime minister because lost the election. >> he's expelled from the labour party and he is no longer. >> what you're saying, though. what is that these what you're saying is that these suggestions are fringe. what suggestions are fringe. and what i'm they're not. i'm i'm saying is they're not. i'm saying is still in saying anti—semitism is still in the lifeblood of mainstream british society, and it is it

should be jeremy corbyn and jeremy corbyn did all of the damage to the labour party condemning which keir starmer has dealt with swiftly and appropriately and has been applauded by leading jewish labour mps margaret hodge and luciana berger, who, as you remember, left the labour party and joined the liberal democrats and joined the liberal democrats and has now praised keir starmer for what he's done. so jeremy corbyn should condemn hamas. for what he's done. so jeremy corjeremy uld condemn hamas. for what he's done. so jeremy corjeremy corbyn demn hamas. for what he's done. so jeremy corjeremy corbyn is mn hamas. for what he's done. so jeremy corjeremy corbyn is his hamas. for what he's done. so jeremy corjeremy corbyn is his own as. >> jeremy corbyn is his own person. he doesn't speak for the labour party. >> you don't think he should condemn jeremy corbyn? >> does not speak from the for the labour party . the labour party. >> labour party member >> is the labour party member though, isn't he? been expelled. >> oh. >> oh. >> i thought he was still in the party, but he's lost. i think this is where i think he's been expelled. >> this is where i think the double standards an double standards is an independent. not even be. independent. he may not even be. he be allowed stand as he won't be allowed to stand as a party candidate at the a labour party candidate at the next election. >> well, look, there you go. >> well, look, there you go. >> that's a conversation to have with corbyn. with jeremy corbyn. >> your thoughts on >> let me know your thoughts on it all. you my email it all. you know my email address by now, i'll you address by now, but i'll see you in hours .

radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. matthew goodwin, the pollster and an academic alongside me as is joe phillips, the political commentator . the the political commentator. the conversation just continued in the break. there about jeremy corbyn. i'm going to ask you, do you think his view is relevant? so a very passionate feeling is here from matt, who feels that it's absolutely wrong that corbyn will not basically condemn hamas. do you think that he should? do you care about his opinion? does it influence anything in this country? i'm interested in what think interested in what you think specifically on that and i'll be bringing you in to the conversation . worry not, as conversation. worry not, but as i've to, there is i've been alluding to, there is a protest outside a protest happening outside the bbc. it's been organised by the national assembly . let's national jewish assembly. let's cross live to our correspondent there . yeah, good evening. bring there. yeah, good evening. bring us up to speed with what's

happening. >> yes , well, a very good >> yes, well, a very good evening to you. in the last ten minutes or so, we've started heanng minutes or so, we've started hearing some speakers here at this protest outside broadcast house in central london. i don't know whether we can just show you just how many people are here. i'd say there's probably hundred several people here, perhaps into a thousand who are here, particularly about the issue of coverage as we've seen in the last eight, ten days or so. one thing that people have been highlighting is the bbc's use of the word terrorist. while they haven't called the hamas group a terrorist group, they've referred to it as a militant group at times. and in the last few days we've heard some programs attributing the term terrorist group to which has been proscribed by the uk government and indeed the eu and the us government as well. but the us government as well. but the eu but the bbc has been clear on what they say is

journalists should be able to tell the story without putting impartiality aside and having due impartiality as well. when it comes to situations like this. but people have been saying if you've used that word for other stories in the past, why is it any different this time? and we've spoken to some of those members of the jewish community who are here as part of this protest. but in terms of what the bbc has said in a statement, they've said this we always take our use of language very seriously. anyone watching or listening to our coverage will hear the word terrorist used many times. we attribute it to those who are using it. for example, the uk government, and they say this is an approach that has been used for decades and is in line with other broadcasters. and they went on to say the bbc is an editorially independent broadcaster whose job it is to explain precisely what is happening on the ground. so our audiences can make their

own judgements. and it is on that point we've had, we've heard from senior bbc reporters who covered stories like this in the past , and who covered stories like this in the past, and they say particularly people should be able to make that distinction themselves rather than the journalist or the bbc as an organisation in the news department calling the hamas group a terrorist organisation . group a terrorist organisation. and that is why several hundred people are here protesting that very fact this evening . when it very fact this evening. when it comes to the use of language . comes to the use of language. >> sarah, thank you very much for that update. do you think bbc will change their position or not? >> i hope they do . i suspect at >> i hope they do. i suspect at the senior level they realise now they're looking increasingly ridiculous and losing a lot of pubuc ridiculous and losing a lot of public trust. you only need to spend two minutes online to see the anger and frustration among many people. at the bbc's positioning. and so over time i think their kind of hypocrisy and double standards in all of this will will bubble to the surface. we need a conversation about this issue and we need a

conversation that involves many of the people who perceive the double standards in our national life. >> yeah, indeed . and i want to >> yeah, indeed. and i want to bnng >> yeah, indeed. and i want to bring you in and i will do after the break on this one. let me ask you this. and this is a sensitive thing, and i know that some people perhaps will be upset with thoughts on this. upset with my thoughts on this. yes, i do this job, but primarily i'm mummy that is my primarily i'm a mummy that is my key thing in life. i've got a little and while i was little boy and while i was watching all of this horrendous stuff whilst i was stuff unfolding whilst i was away on holiday. absolutely. of course , horrified by what hamon course, horrified by what hamon hamas did, of course , nobody in hamas did, of course, nobody in their right mind would even try and defend that. it's indefensible. it's horrific . and indefensible. it's horrific. and i don't want to say the word, but however, when i saw that and the promised response of essentially the deliberate starvation of children in the gaza strip , starvation of children in the gaza strip, and starvation of children in the gaza strip , and then i saw gaza strip, and then i saw people coming out and saying, we unequivocally back israel , we unequivocally back israel, we support them to defend their peoples, their land and all the

rest of it. there was a part of me and it was quite a big part. i will be honest, i was and remain very uncomfortable with this notion that child in there are a million or there are thereabouts in the gaza strip will be deliberately starved and killed . obviously innocent killed. obviously innocent children as a result. and as a response to this . what do you response to this. what do you think to that? whose holding babies and children currently around rocket sites ? around rocket sites? >> that's not the answer. >> that's not the answer. >> hamas. hamas is israel is the only advanced nation that gives as much warning ahead of attacks as much warning ahead of attacks as it does. and israel is the only country that is held up to a standard of warfare that is not applied to any other country in the world. israel has every right to defend itself. there will always be casualties. so you nobody's okay. >> so do you think it's okay to give 24 hours notice for a million people, including people

in babies, in incubators, people in babies, in incubators, people in intensive care units, elderly people? there's no fuel. there's no water, there's no food . they no water, there's no food. they are basically funnelling those people and they've got no escape . and as michelle says, those are children. they are elderly people, they are sick people. and if israel actually , i would and if israel actually, i would argue, has been it may have been criticised by the un and other countries in the past, it has bombed refugee camps. you will remember in the past, but it has very rarely been held accountable and the language and the machismo . so i think i agree the machismo. so i think i agree with you, michelle, that i find it quite chilling that that we will defend ourselves , whatever will defend ourselves, whatever the cost, when the cost is innocent people. >> the one question i would like to ask everybody who talks about a proportionate response, because we hear this a lot this week, israel's response should be proportionate . i've yet to be proportionate. i've yet to hear anybody who set out on that

side of the argument what that proportionate response would be. should we should we ask israel to kill? exactly the same number of people that hamas killed? no. >> but you could ask them to have humanitarian corridors and give people the chance to escape. well now, nobody, including benjamin netanyahu or anybody else, is saying the current situation is ideal. >> nobody is saying that civilians dying in warfare , as civilians dying in warfare, as unfortunately they've always done , is ideal, not from the done, is ideal, not from the perspective of israel. and in terms of defending themselves and also trying to save as many of the 126 hostages as possible. all israel, i'm afraid , should all israel, i'm afraid, should be able to do whatever it needs to do to secure its own people without any. >> see, i am not a military strategist, so i can't tell you. right. this would be my strategy to ensure proportionality . i'm to ensure proportionality. i'm just a mummy and i sit there and i think, you know, i was on houday i think, you know, i was on holiday not too far in terms of the air from israel. my sky for

my little boy was lit up by the strobes of the theatre show that he was going to enjoy and i just sat and i just couldn't get my head around over there in the not too far away distance. the children there, their sky has been continuously and will be and has been for a long time and certainly will be getting worse. the sky lit up by bombs and the sky is lit up by bombs and missiles and i just there's something i can't and i know what you're saying. and i and i know i'm going get abused for know i'm going to get abused for having this conversation with you everyone you because everyone will, you know, say that you know, you're absolutely right with what you're saying. but i just as a mummy, i just think you're you , mummy, i just think you're you, you know, you're going to starve children. you're going to take babies out of their intensive care units and kill them when you turn off their electricity, they'll die . they're like days they'll die. they're like days old hours old perhaps. and i just i've got goosebumps and i don't know the answer. i wish that i did. don't know the answer. i wish thati did. i don't know the answer. i wish that i did. i wish don't know the answer. i wish thati did. i wish i could don't know the answer. i wish that i did. i wish i could wave a wand and make it all go away and make it all stop because i wish that there was peace. but i

justi wish that there was peace. but i just i don't know. when i lay in bed and i think of those children getting starved, i can't. and then i hear everyone going, unequivocably stand going, i unequivocably stand with whatever it with israel to do whatever it takes as a mummy that just breaks heart. takes as a mummy that just bre it's heart. takes as a mummy that just bre it's justt. takes as a mummy that just bre it's just about being >> it's not just about being a mother, michelle. about mother, michelle. it's about being know, being human. and, you know, that's why i think joe biden has been wise. i rishi sunak been wise. i think rishi sunak has also said, you know, we hold you to uphold humanity. you know, there are rules . there are know, there are rules. there are laws in war and there is no doubt there is a war going on. and you should try and protect civil liens to cut off water and suppues civil liens to cut off water and supplies of food and fuel is just inhuman. i don't i don't think anybody is advocate saying that israel should be doing these things to hurt or kill, but they are . but they are. >> no, they're not. they're doing. but they know that nobody is advocate saying that israel do these things to kill civilians. they're saying that israel, people like myself saying israel needs to do currently whatever ever it needs

to do to try and bring the hostages home and secure the security of its own people from hamas who are which is a terrorist organisation which has already flouted international law, by way, by breaking law, by the way, by breaking into murdering law, by the way, by breaking into pregnantiurdering law, by the way, by breaking into pregnant mothers . babies, pregnant mothers. >> yes. yes, absolutely. we've heard all of that. >> we don't yet within a week. we're downplaying it. >> we're not downplaying it. >> no, we're not downplaying it. we're not downplaying it. downplaying not downplaying what? we're not downplaying the very real humanitarian crisis that is affecting and is being faced by affecting and is being faced by a least a million. i think everybody agrees that this is a disaster . well, every time disaster. well, every time people say, you know, unequivocally , we support israel unequivocally, we support israel to do what it is necessary, there has to be a but. but you must sometimes sometimes when you're dealing with an organisation that in its founding charter , in its founding charter, in its founding charter, in its founding charter, in its founding charter, is committed to the destruction of israel and the genocide of jews , which is the genocide of jews, which is in hamas's founding charter , in hamas's founding charter, you're you're not dealing with a rational actor here. >> you're dealing with a terrorist organisation that is

intent on killing every jew. it can get its hands on. >> and some people would argue that israel is going to expunge the palestinians from the gaza strip and take it over . yeah, strip and take it over. yeah, well, and some people call that ethnic cleansing. what do you think? >> over to you at

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven mark goodwin alongside me as is joe phillips. the conversation again in the break room rumbled on. i was going to talk about pnsons on. i was going to talk about prisons tonight, but i'm going to save that one for tomorrow so i can do itjustice with its time. an awful lot of people are very unhappy with what i was just saying about saying that my concerns about the children of gaza and all the rest of it, they're saying, have you forgotten? have you all forgotten? have you all forgotten what hamas did? and why is it relevant that you're a

mummy? and that's the point that you just made as well to me in the break, you said you're asking, are you suggesting that fathers feel empathy and fathers don't feel empathy and all it? and is that all the rest of it? and is that even relevant to make? even a relevant point to make? wasn't it? >> well, mean, i'm a father. >> well, i mean, i'm a father. i can empathise with the points you make, i think we are you make, but i think we are already within 7 or 8 days of the israel. i would the attacks on israel. i would argue losing some and argue losing losing some and this is and this is the this the view that you've just shared is absolutely be echoed throughout my inbox. >> piers is saying it's nothing to do with being a mummy or any rational adult would say that this is wrong . wrong. but this is wrong. wrong. but basically what you're saying , basically what you're saying, piers, is this is just a terrible by—product of having to defend yourself. many people are saying, michelle, anyone that feels like you, what would you feel? what would you want to do if anyone murdered your child in their own beds? craig from bradford says, michelle, the simple fact is if hamas hadn't entered israel and done this, they wouldn't have to now be sitting talking about

humanitarian aid crisis. so many of you have that feeling , of you have that feeling, michelle. basically i can't read some of the i can't read some of those choice words out at tea time . but yeah, who's this dude? time. but yeah, who's this dude? michelle i'm so disappointed . michelle i'm so disappointed. and what hamas did was a terror list, deliberately killing children and all the rest of it. again to your point, matt, nobody as of yet has come up with, you know, if you feel perhaps like what i do about the children in gaza, what is your answer then? matt poses a very important question . i can give important question. i can give it to you homework tonight. it to you as homework tonight. what a proportionate response what is a proportionate response then someone along and then? if someone comes along and they're children and they're bombing children and murdering in their murdering children in their beds, it's well, it's all well and good criticise the response as i am part doing. but as i am in part doing. but matt's question is a fabulous person at one and i'm going to end it. what is then end on it. what is then a proportionate response? you can tell me, for now, joe, thank tell me, but for now, joe, thank you very much for your insights. thank you . your first time on thank you. your first time on the panel . hopefully it's not

the panel. hopefully it's not going to be last . the panel. hopefully it's not going to be last. and thank going to be your last. and thank you guys at home. i've you to you guys at home. i've got to say, there's not many people backing the bbc. lots and lots getting in touch lots of you getting in touch saying want them saying that you want them absolutely immediately to start calling what you and calling hamas what you think and what, they absolutely what, in fact, they absolutely are, terrorists. but are, which is terrorists. but for that's got for now, that's all i've got time farage is up time for. nigel farage is up next. don't anywhere. i'll next. don't go anywhere. i'll see tomorrow night. see you tomorrow night. >> good evening. i'm alex deakin. is your deakin. this is your latest weather the met weather update from the met office for gb news things pretty calm there at moment, calm out there at the moment, but week it's going but through this week it's going to very very windy to turn very wet and very windy with a potential for some significant disruption from this area of low pressure that this morning here at the met office, we named storm babette. it's moving northwards, bringing a lot of moisture, slow moving bands of heavy rain likely to cause some problems. we have a number of office yellow number of met office yellow warnings in place out there. this evening, though. it's the calm before the storm. a fine night actually with clear skies. it'll turn quite cold across scotland , northern scotland, northern ireland, northern touch of northern england, a touch of frost here in rural

frost possible here in rural spots . further south, a bit more spots. further south, a bit more cloud the breeze picking up cloud and the breeze picking up as go through night. as we go through the night. going to turn quite blustery at times over south west england, north during north and west wales during tuesday. gusty winds tuesday. so some gusty winds here, lot of cloud here, quite a lot of cloud spilling up from the south—west. some showery rain possible for devon, cornwall, maybe later on into pembrokeshire. a few showers continuing over the northern maybe 1 or 2 northern isles, maybe 1 or 2 getting into east coast of getting into the east coast of england well as the breeze england as well as the breeze picks up here. but for many it's a dry and a fine day. we'll be a bit of one again, bit of a chilly one again, temperatures generally a touch below for the time of below average for the time of year and feeling as the year and feeling colder as the winds pick up. the winds start to pick up. the winds start to pick up. the winds strengthen further. winds will strengthen further. however, rain that however, it's the rain that we're concerned about here we're most concerned about here at the met office. for the rest of this week. a number of warnings are place. do check warnings are in place. do check out website at for the out our website at for the details all those

good evening. >> tonight, we discuss some very disturbing scenes on the streets of london and other big cities. last saturday. also we talk about the level of prejudice which appears to have got through into many of our most important institutions , asians, important institutions, asians, it seems, being anti—israel is almost trendy. we'll go to tel aviv to get the latest ahead of the anticipated push by israeli troops into gaza. and we'll also talk about net migration figures as an estimate suggesting that up until 2030 they will still run above pre brexit levels . run above pre brexit levels. well, all of that in just a moment . but first, let's get the moment. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening. >> will the top story from the

newsroom is that today the prime