to deliver our service when we basically need it and do you trust them? i really hope that you do. but do you think it would be there in your hour of need also? i want to look at the snp. they are proposing price caps basically on supermarket foodstuffs . and get this the foodstuffs. and get this the welsh parliament has banned gb news from its parliamentary televisions. apparently we're toxic. is this censorship really? in 2023? what is going

on? we've got it all to come and more. but before we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest headunes. let's grab tonight's latest headlines . michelle thank you headlines. michelle thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story from the gb newsroom is that aid agencies are warning today of a deepening humanitarian catasta graphy in gaza amid fears the conflict will spread throughout the middle east. palestinian authority says 80 people were killed by israeli airstrikes in southern gaza overnight where the military had told sevilla tions to take refuge. hundreds of thousands have gathered near the rafah crossing with egypt. that remains closed again today and the united nations is saying it believes israel is so—called siege of gaza and its evacuation orders could be in breach of international law . it's warned international law. it's warned that all hospitals could run out of fuel within 24 hours, and the world health organisation says at least 2800 people have been

killed in gaza . well, the us killed in gaza. well, the us president, joe biden, is on his way to the region tomorrow. he'll be in israel before attending a summit where he'll meet arab leaders in jordan. he'll be there to try to calm the conflict's regional effects . the conflict's regional effects. yesterday, he gave a clear warning to iran, told them not to get involved, but in a separate development, iran pledged to take pre—emptive action against israel in the coming hours. action against israel in the coming hours . well, a british coming hours. well, a british teenager who's been missing since last weekend's terror attacks by hamas has been confirmed dead. 13 year old yahel on the right of your picture, if you're watching on television, was killed when gunmen attacked her kibbutz on the 7th of october. yahel was killed along with her mother, lianne, while her elder sister, noya and father, eli , are still noya and father, eli, are still missing. missing the prime minister has called for the immediate release of hostages as it's thought another nine britons are among the 200 people being held hostage by hamas .

being held hostage by hamas. well, the news away from israel, the return of islamist terrorism poses a threat to all european nations. according to the french president, emmanuel macron . his president, emmanuel macron. his comments came a day after two swedish football fans were shot deadin swedish football fans were shot dead in a terror attack in brussels last night just before belgium's euro 2024 qualifier against sweden . belgian police against sweden. belgian police say the suspect , who identified say the suspect, who identified himself on social media as a member of islamic state, was shot dead this morning. belgium's prime minister alexander de croo, says terrorists can't be allowed to succeed . succeed. >> and the others, they will. an attackers want to seed fear, distrust and division in our free society . free society. >> terrorists have to understand that they will never succeed in this mission. they will never subdue our free society with their hate and violence . they their hate and violence. they show, above all their powerlessness . this terrorism

powerlessness. this terrorism will never beat us. >> the scottish first minister is pledging £300 million to cut nhs waiting lists in scotland. humza yousaf told the snp conference in aberdeen the cash could reduce waiting lists by 100,000 patients by 2026. in his first conference speech since taking over from nicola sturgeon as party leader, mr yousaf also pledged to freeze council tax in scotland next year. the first minister, who has family in gaza, is also calling on the international community to set up a refugee program for those fleeing in the gaza strip . now fleeing in the gaza strip. now a man has been remanded in custody after appearing in court over the murder of a 70 year old in hartlepool . terence carney was hartlepool. terence carney was using a cash machine when he was attacked in the town centre on saturday morning. another man remains in hospital with non—life threatening injuries. 44 year old ahmed ali is charged

with murder and the attempted murder of another man . it murder of another man. it follows an investigation by counter terrorism police . a counter terrorism police. a conservative mp accused of bullying and sexual misconduct has had the whip removed. peter bowen will now sit as an independent mp. yesterday a parliamentary panel found that he had committed varied acts of bullying and an act of sexual misconduct against a member of his staff in 2012 and 2013. when the panel recommends he be suspended for six weeks, a move that could trigger a recall petition and perhaps a by—election. the member for wellingborough denies all the allegations against him . now allegations against him. now greta thunberg was arrested today after protesting against oil and gas companies in central london. the swedish climate campaign , and was taking part in campaign, and was taking part in a fossil free london protest at a fossil free london protest at a hotel on park lane where oil executives were meeting up. thunberg has this year been detained by police and removed from protests in sweden, nonnay

and germany . and lastly, as you and germany. and lastly, as you may have heard on the weather report, yellow weather warnings for wind and rain are in place from tomorrow with the arrival of storm barbette . it's the of storm barbette. it's the second named storm of the season andits second named storm of the season and it's going to last until saturday, say the met office warns of potential flooding power cuts and travel disruption. the weather warning covers much of scotland. the eastern part of northern ireland, as well as the north and east of england . us gb news and east of england. us gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . channel. >> thanks for that polly. our michelle dewberry rhiannon with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me the live peer in the house of lords and former conservative mep jacqueline foster and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker . good media, michael walker. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight. and you

know the drill. don't you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you email me. or you can tweet me at gb news. now, the story that i was trying to get around to last night, net migration . ian, there's been migration. ian, there's been a report out now that says it's unlikely drop below what we unlikely to drop below what we saw pre brexit anyway any time soon. this is not really surprising is it, because at the moment we're having a lot of people enter the country from a variety of different places as different war zones and all the rest of it. we seem to be having mass population shift now on a scale that enormous and i do scale that is enormous and i do not see getting any better not see that getting any better or time soon. so some people or any time soon. so some people are asking, have we lost control of immigration? did we ever have it the first place? do we it in the first place? do we need to put a cap on migration? your need to put a cap on migration? youwell, i suppose in terms of >> well, i suppose in terms of the this study and the numbers from this study and in of the net migration, in terms of the net migration, we're currently seeing, which is at levels right? that is at record levels right? that is not coming not principally people coming here irregularly. that's principally coming here principally people coming here because we them because we decided we want them to come.

>> i didn't say it was >> so i didn't say it was irregular. we're talking about net migration. >> well, you were talking about people control. and people who we can't control. and you're coming people who we can't control. and you'nlots coming people who we can't control. and you'nlots of coming people who we can't control. and you'nlots of different coming people who we can't control. and you'nlots of different waring from lots of different war zones. so the vast majority of people coming over here that will up numbers are will make up these numbers are people coming to people who are coming here to study, to some study, coming here to work. some will reunion, but the will be family reunion, but the vast are coming to vast majority are coming to study to work. so we study and coming to work. so we do have control over that. we've decided that for our universities to have universities it helps to have lots students. lots of international students. we've our we've decided that for our businesses helps businesses it helps to have a fair few international workers. so wanted, we could reduce so if we wanted, we could reduce that. obviously the that. obviously when within the european union there was freedom of movement, we did have less control. control, control. now we do have control, but is being by but a decision is being made by politicians. and, you know, in conversation businesses conversation with businesses and universities to say, actually, this a good thing. and this is quite a good thing. and so that's why numbers are remaining quite high. you remaining quite high. do you think there should be a cap on net figures? net migration figures? >> , no. however , however >> no, no. just however, however many. and jacqueline , your many. and jacqueline, your thoughts? well the question is, will we ever be able to control it? >> and i have to say, not while

we've got barb , extreme terror we've got barb, extreme terror groups who are allowed free rein across the middle east, asia and africa , there are hostile states africa, there are hostile states as well . all these people are as well. all these people are encouraged and they cause chaos, disruption and fear. what we have tended to do in my view, is appease far too often. many of these countries. so we've spent billions in aid over the decades. if you think from sort of world war ii, most of the money never, ever goes to these very poor civilians that are living in these countries. the money, as we've seen now with hamas, hezbollah, all of them, the money is actually spent on arms. it widens from arms. it's in the drugs trade. they'll be involved in people trafficking . involved in people trafficking. and i say this because as i was brought up with them in a sectarian city, which was liverpool , and the situation liverpool, and the situation then evolved with the obviously

then evolved with the obviously the way the ira was behaving . so the way the ira was behaving. so in my first job when i started with british ainnays all those years ago , we were up against years ago, we were up against hijacking from terrorist organisations. the plo , and of organisations. the plo, and of course the ira was also a terrorist organisation . and i terrorist organisation. and i think that of course you want to try and come to some sort of resolution with these things, but until all until leads us in major governments across the world stop thinking that aid is the answer for when it's not. and start taking to task . these and start taking to task. these governments who allow the civilians to virtually die of starvation while they're spending the money on many , many spending the money on many, many other things. we will not get any sort of solution or resolution to this . i am an resolution to this. i am an optimist. i'm always an optimist, but i am sick and tired of this pussyfooting around making excuses of why, for some historical reason, some

particular group or some particular group or some particular country has got some grudge . and while they are grudge. and while they are allowed an appeased to behave in the manner that they're doing, we are not going to resolve this because it will exacerbate. we've seen what's happened now over the years with illegal immigration. it's so hard to control if we do try to put measures in place in this country. for example, we then find obviously there's a lot of politicians who don't want to they want open borders. and all of this . but you see, i say of this. but you see, i say this, michel, in party. >> i don't i you've been the governing party for over a decade and i don't disagree. >> but equally, the government in party you've to have in party you've got to have cross party solutions these cross party solutions to these sorts of problems. >> a majority. sorts of problems. >> i a majority. sorts of problems. >> i don't a majority. sorts of problems. >> i don't disagreejority. sorts of problems. >> i don't disagree with�*. sorts of problems. >> i don't disagree with that either. had a majority either. we've had a majority actually about 2015 actually since about 2015 because initially we were in obviously with the obviously in coalition with the liberal democrats . the this liberal democrats. and the this is exacerbated since the merkel decision in and it started to exacerbate , i think with more exacerbate, i think with more groups. but one thing i have said and i have said all along

with this, and particularly on the illegality of all of this, is the primary purpose of a nafion is the primary purpose of a nation state, is to protect its citizens. we have people coming in this country and going into other countries throughout europe. they have no idea who they are. they're coming across borders and our own governments have got to really clamp down on what's actually going on. >> do you agree with any of that, michael? >> well, again, i think it's important to sort of separate two things here. two different things here. >> we're talking about >> so if we're talking about numbers issue really numbers is then the issue really isn't asylum seekers or people crossing the channel with numbers. about numbers. we're talking about students. were students. i think there were 350,000 came as 350,000 people who came as students around students last year around 250,000 in terms 250,000 workers. then in terms of that was of asylum seekers, that was about about 45,000 about 80,000, about 45,000 people so people crossed the channel. so if talking net if you're talking about net migration in numbers, the issue i mean, i don't think it's an issue. i think it's good for our universities. i think it's fairly good for our economy. that's who are coming fairly good for our economy. that'completelyio are coming fairly good for our economy. that'completely legally.)ming fairly good for our economy. that'completely legally. what is here completely legally. what is what? sorry when you're saying it's you're talking it's good, you're talking about what about asylum what we're talking about asylum seekers we're talking

seekers and we're talking about channel crossings and you're saying good the economy. >> w m wm- >> i'm asking, what do you think that in those that people getting in those boats and crossing the channel, is the economy? is that good for the economy? well different forms well so there's different forms of we sort of of migration which we sort of accept for different reasons. >> so students and workers, >> so with students and workers, they what normally they are what we'd normally call economic everyone economic migrants. and everyone agrees for agrees that's pretty good for the and when comes agrees that's pretty good for thnasylum and when comes agrees that's pretty good for thnasylum seekers, nhen comes agrees that's pretty good for thnasylum seekers, obviouslymes agrees that's pretty good for thnasylum seekers, obviously the to asylum seekers, obviously the reason we're accepting them is because international because of international obligations. now again, economists in economists tend to say that in the long run, asylum seekers will the will improve an economy in the short run. it's somewhat ambiguous as suppose. one ambiguous as i suppose. one other i wanted to respond other point i wanted to respond to is idea about to is, is this idea about appeasement, not appeasement, because i'm not really that mean really sure what that would mean in practise. you look in in practise. so if you look at we talk about refugees now at if we talk about refugees now instead of of economic instead of sort of economic migration, places most migration, the places where most people places people come from are places where quite actively where we have quite actively intervened. so we didn't appease the taliban, we didn't appease saddam and saddam hussein. we went in and invaded and invaded those countries. and it's countries which it's then those countries which send a lot of well, they don't send a lot of well, they don't send people leave send them because people leave by people leave as by choice, but people leave as asylum seekers to to asylum seekers to come to the uk. what this uk. so i'm not sure what this more sort of proactive foreign policy anti appeasement would

policy of anti appeasement would look would look like and why that would reduce people who are fleeing their homes. well i don't think you'd o—level or an you'd need an o—level or an a—level, frankly. >> i mean, it's quite obvious that people do is try to that what people do is try to come to resolutions. i have no problem that. to problem with that. we came to a resolution on pretty well with northern ireland, and it took decades. i'm not saying that decades. so i'm not saying that there's answer , but there's never an answer, but what know is the groups that what we know is the groups that we're talking about now, the disruption it is right disruption is where it is right now is across the globe. it's across globe . we know what across the globe. we know what iran's doing terms of iran's doing in terms of funding. what's going funding. we know what's going on. know that there are on. we know that there are monies going into these countries which are actually for the these countries. countries which are actually for th never these countries. countries which are actually for th never goes these countries. countries which are actually for th never goes anywhere untries. countries which are actually for th never goes anywhere neares. it never goes anywhere near them. but we know it happens. and so there is an appeasement in that. i'm using it in that context as i am context and all as i am absolutely saying, the difficulty we also have and we have in this this country is have it in this this country is about integration. and we've always had a relatively slow process coming in and process of people coming in and out because we want people to integrate well and want integrate well and we want people to we now people to get on. we are now finding are in this finding there are issues in this in where, you know,

in this country where, you know, the british culture seems to be anissue the british culture seems to be an issue as well. the british culture is not an issue if i go and live in another country and i've lived in several, i accept that their culture will be different mine. different perhaps than mine. i have it. and then have to accept it. and then i will work alongside. and within that. we also that. but we are also in a position in this country now and there are people and there are factions in this country and they not appear to even like they do not appear to even like they do not appear to even like the that they living they do not appear to even like theand that they living they do not appear to even like theand thisthat they living they do not appear to even like theand this is1t they living they do not appear to even like theand this is notiey living they do not appear to even like theand this is not acceptable.) in. and this is not acceptable. and it doesn't it's just and it just doesn't it's just not the way fonnard how we not the way fonnard to how we look positively at how the country is going grow , how country is going to grow, how we're to deal with we're going to deal with migration immigration in the migration and immigration in the years need to have years to come. we need to have some hard thinking about what we're actually going to do and look at the citizens of the united the citizens united kingdom, the citizens here how we're going here already, how we're going to deal with of this. deal with all of this. >> want to respond to >> do you want to respond to that? i suppose, again, on that? well i suppose, again, on this appeasement point, this on this appeasement point, so of about iran. >> and i think with iran, that's again, another country that we have sanctions on lots have sanctions on where lots of people people people are leaving. so people tend countries when tend to leave countries when there's instability or when

there's instability or when there's a crippling there's sort of a crippling economic i think economic crisis. and i think britain's has britain's foreign policy has been very mistaken when it comes to that, often have to that, because we often have stoked to that, because we often have stoiwell, let's not go back on >> well, let's not go back on having a row about britain's foreign turn having a row about britain's foreclock turn having a row about britain's foreclock back. turn having a row about britain's foreclock back. we turn having a row about britain's foreclock back. we haveturn having a row about britain's foreclock back. we have got to the clock back. we have got to look at where we are now. we know there were talking about foreign policy. >> of course we do. >> no, but we of course we do. >> no, but we of course we do. >> that. we know that, >> we know that. we know that, you we've done a you know, we've done history a lot us, you know, we'll know lot of us, you know, we'll know what's happened over the last 200 years or a thousand years. we know that can't turn the we know that we can't turn the clock we've got look at clock back. we've got to look at where now, how we we where we are now, how we are. we are going we can see where are going to we can see where theissues are going to we can see where the issues are. how are we actually going to deal with it and some and start to get some resolution. as i said and resolution. and as i said and i go back to that point and let a lot of these governments around the world taking the world start taking responsibility their own responsibility for their own citizens leaving other citizens and stop leaving other countries up the countries to try and pick up the mess because spending mess because they're spending aid. all sorts of aid. they're doing all sorts of things. seen africa. things. i've seen it in africa. i was there many, many times, many times. let ask the many times. let me ask the people see any benefit people never see any benefit from help that they ever get. >> one of my view is jason's just got in touch saying, you've

been about question just got in touch saying, you've be about about question just got in touch saying, you've be about legal|bout question just got in touch saying, you've be about legal immigration. stion is about legal immigration. jackie. says, jackie's not jackie. he says, jackie's not answered the question about legal immigration. would you support , on support a cap, for example, on net figures? i think net migration figures? i think where you have a difficulty, i'm not opposed to caps, but the difficulty you've got to have with when you put a cap on, what's the cap actually mean? >> does it mean number of >> does it mean the number of people skills that are people with skills that are coming the country? does it coming to the country? does it mean the number? do you put did you the of people in you put the number of people in age groups terms those age groups in terms of those that want come into the that want to come into the country? because you're looking that want to come into the co the y? because you're looking that want to come into the co the demand se you're looking that want to come into the co the demand and ju're looking that want to come into the co the demand and supplyoking that want to come into the co the demand and supply of ng that want to come into the co the demand and supply of your at the demand and supply of your economy. i appreciate that. at the demand and supply of your ethink1y. i appreciate that. at the demand and supply of your ethink that's i appreciate that. at the demand and supply of your ethink that's a appreciate that. at the demand and supply of your ethink that's a fair)reciate that. at the demand and supply of your ethink that's a fair point.e that. at the demand and supply of your ethink that's a fair point to hat. i think that's a fair point to for him to comment on. but i think caps governments then, you know, change know, they change and the government, they say we'll put a cap this and we'll put cap on this and we'll put a whatever on that. and inevitably it shifts. think just it shifts. and i think it's just really realistic, hard really taking a realistic, hard look you know, who should look at, you know, who should come should work and come in, how it should work and what the real demand is for the economy and and the smes and economy and the and the smes and the supply chain. but also the whole supply chain. but also we've got enough universities and we've enough people and we've got enough people actually there who need to actually out there who need to we to be training

we need to be training ourselves. >> well, you know what, >> well, do you know what, pamela? she's got touch pamela? she's got in touch saying michelle, very saying michelle, this is very simple. need cap. so simple. we just need a cap. so i'll it back to you. pam i'll throw it back to you. pam you tell me. what would that figure look like and what do you do if you've got jobs you do if you've got jobs that you seemingly fill in this seemingly can't fill in this country? just those country? do we just leave those vacancies should vacancies empty? should companies be allowed to proactively recruit from proactively try and recruit from elsewhere? speaking of which, by the tangent, but the way, a slight tangent, but linked. the linked. before i go to the break, do think we do enough break, do you think we do enough to incentivise working in this country? because i'm sure there's thing when there's still a thing when you're benefits. i'm sure in you're on benefits. i'm sure in about hours something. about 16 hours or something. when that particular when you get to that particular threshold, you then start losing more money perhaps more money than you perhaps earn. that work ? is the earn. does that work? is the balance on that you balance right on that one? you get you tell me get in touch and you tell me when i come back from the break. i'll have some more your i'll have some more of your responses. but also want responses. but i also want to talk you about prisons. talk to you about prisons. there's about reforming there's talk now about reforming how with certain how we deal with certain prisoners, instead of prisoners, perhaps instead of sending to prison, getting prisoners, perhaps instead of sendi|out to prison, getting prisoners, perhaps instead of sendi|out into to prison, getting prisoners, perhaps instead of sendi|out into thewrison, getting prisoners, perhaps instead of sendi|out into the community,g them out into the community, doing stuff like washing graffiti off walls and all the rest of it. will that solve the crime problem in this country?

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . widget radio. widget >> we're here for the show for energy this time. >> welcome to the dinosaur hour. >> welcome to the dinosaur hour. >> i was married to a therapist. >> i was married to a therapist. >> and you survived. >> and you survived. >> i thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best marbella . de—man you interviewed marbella. de—man you interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like ? i was terrified. i'm playing strip poker with these three. >> oh, no, thank you. >> oh, no, thank you. >> my cds need to be put in alphabetical order. oh are you going to be problematic again? >> the dinosaur for our sunday the 29th of october at 9:00 on . the 29th of october at 9:00 on. gb news. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the live player in the house of lords and former conservative mep jacqueline

foster alongside me as a foster alongside me as is a contributing editor at novara media. we were media. michael walker we were just talking about some aggression there . lots of people aggression there. lots of people saying that we should be capping it. so again, i shall throw that question back to you. give me the number and where do you get that number from and what happens if there is indeed labour shortages that people in this for whatever this country, for whatever reason , quite frankly, don't reason, quite frankly, don't want do we do want to feel? what do we do about that? i'll throw it back to you. get in touch with me and let me know. jonathan says, well done, jacqueline foster . done, jacqueline foster. apparently, jonathan says, you're speaking for the whole of the country. cool that's. that's a achievement if it's true right there. anyway let's talk prison, shall we? because andre year. sorry prison sentences under a yean sorry prison sentences under a year. so your your lower kind of level of criminals and all the rest of it could potentially be scrapped. this is all about looking at the fact that prisons lots of them anyway, are very overly populated. there's a communication now and a thought process than process about rather than

sticking level sticking these low level criminals jackie, criminals into prisons. jackie, for short sentences get them out, get them tagged, get them out, get them tagged, get them out in the community, get them washing, you know, walls or graffiti or whatever . what do graffiti or whatever. what do you think to that ? you think to that? >> well, i think there are some there. inevit ably some people in prison who probably shouldn't be in a prison. i'm not talking about the thugs and the murderers and of that. you murderers and all of that. you will some people in there will get some people in there and they be doing fairly and they might be doing fairly short for it might be short sentences for it might be fraud. i'm not and i'm not dismissing fraud being dismissing fraud as not being a serious issue . so i think that serious issue. so i think that there there can be ways to look at it. i think i actually, funnily enough , there was a funnily enough, there was a debate in the house of lords this which i sat in this afternoon which i sat in on, and it was about why they've decided to and do this decided to try and do this because the number of because of the number of prisoners, obviously, and the fewer they've got fewer spaces that they've got in pnsons. fewer spaces that they've got in prisons . was was prisons. what was was particularly interesting that we've we've got nearly we've got we've got nearly 10,000 foreign prisoners and 10,000 odd foreign prisoners and we spend about, i don't know, half £1 billion a year on the

about £47,000 a head. and i would like to know why they're in our prisons and why they're not deported, frankly . so we're not deported, frankly. so we're spending a huge amount of money there and obviously a lot of places party that's in power. it isindeed places party that's in power. it is indeed no, it is indeed. i mean, people try and sort all sorts things out. i think we sorts of things out. i think we they only managed to deport last yean they only managed to deport last year, and out of an awful year, 2958. and out of an awful lot of people . so i, i as i lot of people. so i, i as i said, i have no issue in in an early release if it is you know it's pertinent but also what you've got to have in place is to ensure that of course that the probation services and those that are responsible then for making sure that these people are doing what they should do and not what they shouldn't be doing, are actually in place and they're able to deal with it. i think the point that we've raised about about what you do in america and they do in other countries and they make prisoners go and actually do

some work, i think there's been failures where have gone failures where people have gone out in the community out to do work in the community and apparently paid for that work. think it's not work. well i think it's not i don't paying for don't mind paying somebody for doing but apparently doing something, but apparently there's people they don't there's people and they don't turn even they're turn up. and even if they're tagged . and so then you've got tagged. and so then you've got people trying to chase around, trying they are. trying to find where they are. so think the system actually so i think the system actually needs really they need to needs to really be they need to start looking at this seriously. it need to put some it may be they need to put some more resources in. he did say today that they were looking at putting 400 putting about another 400 million because yeah, 400 million in because, yeah, 400 million in because, yeah, 400 million for new cells. million for 800 new cells. >> apparently. million for 800 new cells. >> but arently. million for 800 new cells. >> buta|mean, as i it's >> but i mean, as i said, it's not the it's not just the pnsons not the it's not just the prisons themselves because there is a shortage of capacity . it's is a shortage of capacity. it's how then deal with how you then deal with those that necessarily need that you don't necessarily need to prison . and to put in prison. and what you're if people are on you're doing if people are on early release or or whatever . early release or or whatever. >> michael yeah, i mean it seems like to me. like a sensible policy to me. >> mean obviously people who >> i mean obviously people who are a danger to society should be prison, but if you've got be in prison, but if you've got someone who's a sentence someone who's on a sentence which less than year, i which is less than a year, i suppose the question is what good do put them in

good does it do to put them in pnson good does it do to put them in prison for six months? because that's protecting that's hardly protecting society. for that's hardly protecting soc months. for that's hardly protecting socmonths. it's for that's hardly protecting socmonths. it's hardly for that's hardly protecting soc months. it's hardly that)r six months. it's hardly that they're going to be able to turn their around. think their life around. i think i think offenders. think a repeat offenders. >> in the end, they've >> and then in the end, they've had put in because had to put them in because they've been warned by the magistrates at a magistrate in the you've the house. you said you've warned ten times and warned them about ten times and they still continue to do it. and end they have to have and in the end they have to have a custodial, then that's still not to change their not going to change their behaviour. no, i don't. >> going to the cycle. >> i am with you there. >> i am with you there. >> but, you know, i mean, i think thing here is to talk think one thing here is to talk not just about sentences, but also funding. mean, i think also funding. i mean, i think you're to talk about the you're right to talk about the probation service. i mean, when that fella from the that fella escaped from from the pnson that fella escaped from from the pristwasn't there was lots of was wasn't it? there was lots of conversations from prison guards and officers how conversations from prison guards and underfunded, s how conversations from prison guards andunderfunded, understaffed. are underfunded, understaffed. they high turnover they are how high the turnover is, that one ever they are how high the turnover is, to that one ever they are how high the turnover is, to know that one ever they are how high the turnover is, to know any hat one ever they are how high the turnover is, to know any prisoner1e ever gets to know any prisoner and i can't imagine that's particularly for good reforming people this people if you've got this incredibly escape was was >> but that escape was was sloppy, sloppy. the fact sloppy, was sloppy. the fact that, know, and lorries that, you know, vans and lorries are they're are not checked when they're going are not checked when they're goii i] are not checked when they're goiii mean, i suppose i was >> i mean, i suppose i was bringing it up more. >> it like a fawlty towers.

bringing it up more. >> it was like a fawlty towers. bringing it up more. >> it was ake a fawlty towers. bringing it up more. >> it was a it a fawlty towers. bringing it up more. >> it was a it was|wlty towers. bringing it up more. >> it was a it was a lty towers. bringing it up more. >> it was a it was a moments. bringing it up more. >> it was a it was a moment when sort conditions in sort of the conditions in pnsons sort of the conditions in prisons sort of raised prisons were sort of raised publicly. obviously, is publicly. obviously, this is a slightly in slightly different issue here in terms prisoners. terms of the foreign prisoners. i think there's i can see where you're think you're coming from. i do think there a assumption there is sometimes a assumption that a foreign prisoner is someone just arrived and someone who has just arrived and committed think committed a crime and i think it's note i'm it's important to note and i'm speaking to a friend of mine who's an academic who on who's an academic who works on this, people this, actually people who've been deported to jamaica sort been deported to jamaica is sort of and of his particular topic. and there that there are a bunch of people that he works with was he works with or was interviewing for his his interviewing for his for his thesis where, know, they thesis where, you know, they came uk when they came to the uk when they were two. here their two. so they've lived here their whole didn't get whole life. they didn't get a passport for whatever reason, and they a drug and then they commit a drug offence. i think if you go to pnson offence. i think if you go to prison for more than 12 months it can be automatic. it can be an automatic. deportees so you've deportees mission. and so you've got lived here got someone who's lived here their entire life, has no connections that other connections to that other country gets deported connections to that other co there. gets deported connections to that other co there. and gets deported connections to that other co there. and i gets deported connections to that other co there. and i think.s deported to there. and i think the problem if you're sort problem there is if you're sort of punishing people twice , i don't. >> is it double punishment? i don't think that the majority of people there be, except don't think that the majority of peopli there be, except don't think that the majority of peopli don't be, except don't think that the majority of peopli don't disagree, xcept ones. i don't disagree, but we know we have got a lot of people and are there. they are and they are there. they are

nasty, people. and we nasty, horrible people. and we have got them in prison. it is costing fortune they costing a fortune and they should know. my view is if they were not british passport holders, if they're not british citizens, the when citizens, because when the when they have been found guilty, clearly they've found clearly they've been found guilty, wouldn't guilty, othennise they wouldn't be . and evidence guilty, othennise they wouldn't besuch . and evidence guilty, othennise they wouldn't besuch that . and evidence guilty, othennise they wouldn't be such that theyi evidence guilty, othennise they wouldn't besuch that they clearly'idence guilty, othennise they wouldn't besuch that they clearly are. ce is such that they clearly are. they should be deported before they're even going into a british prison. frankly they might have been in while, you know, they're obviously waiting for the case come up . but for the case to come up. but i don't why we're spending don't see why we're spending absolute millions on keeping prisoners here. you know, you make a contract when you go and live in a country and you say, i'll come and live in your country and i understand your rule of law. and sometimes people do get in trouble. i mean, not bad trouble, but they might do. but, you know, this is you know, want to live you know, if you want to live here, of law. if here, we have a rule of law. if you the law , well, then you break the law, well, then thatis you break the law, well, then that is what will. you will that is what you will. you will get. if you don't like it, then you need to be here. go and you need to not be here. go and commit your crimes somewhere else. >> but i don't understand. horrendous is to me the tories

is supposed to the party that is supposed to be the party that a law and order and order. a tough law and order and order. and me it feels like you and then to me it feels like you guys are working one day and then to me it feels like you guysgone, working one day and then to me it feels like you guysgone, oh,vorking one day and then to me it feels like you guysgone, oh, look1g one day and then to me it feels like you guysgone, oh, look ,j one day and then to me it feels like you guysgone, oh, look , these 1e day and gone, oh, look, these pnsons and gone, oh, look, these prisons are really overcrowded . prisons are really overcrowded. so what we're going to do is just let a lot of people off and keep them out of the prison so that can cover our backsides keep them out of the prison so the making1 cover our backsides keep them out of the prison so themaking prisonsaur backsides keep them out of the prison so the making prisons less acksides keep them out of the prison so themaking prisons less full. des keep them out of the prison so themaking prisons less full. and by making prisons less full. and then it's almost like and then we'll put this money inside to acquire build acquire this land, to build these prisons. is what i these prisons. this is what i cannot get my head around. when you've been in power for over, not but when not you personally, but when you've been in power for over a decade, you plan. decade, surely you fonnard plan. you trends. you you can see certain trends. you can that actually the rate can see that actually the rate of prisoners is going up. so we need to start investing right in the the now. i i almost the here and the now. i i almost just it's like, is this the just feel it's like, is this the tories? are they doing tories? is this are they doing what they're supposed to be doing tough on law and order? because does not sound like because it does not sound like that mean, i have to say i mean >> i mean, i have to say i mean and started in politics and and i started in politics and with the party back in the late 80s with the party back in the late 805 i with the party back in the late 80s i think every successive 80s and i think every successive government that's been in we've had the prisons. had problems with the prisons. we've with we've always got problems with

underfunding seems underfunding. there always seems to obviously to be problems, obviously with capacity it's a you capacity. and i think it's a you know, i don't i think there's also been a change. there's also been a change in the way that things are handled . i mean, even things are handled. i mean, even back in the major government and a colleague of mine in the house of lords, timothy kirkhope, he was actually the immigration minister was no minister and there was no messing about in terms of people that needed to be deported. they were deported and we have a heck of job now and even actually of a job now and even actually dunng of a job now and even actually during blair years it was during the blair years it was much more straightfonnard . but much more straightfonnard. but we've had a heck of a job over the last years now trying to the last few years now trying to get anybody deported when we're trying them deported. we trying to get them deported. we know whole know we've had the whole discussion lawyers turning discussion about lawyers turning up at the, you know, planes. we've booked planes and the next thing you know, somebody not going to be on the plane because some of the some more evidence that be deported. some of the some more evidence the unless be deported. some of the some more evidence the unless we be deported. some of the some more evidence the unless we get be deported. some of the some more evidence the unless we get a be deported. some of the some more evidence the unless we get a real eported. some of the some more evidence theunless we get a real gripted. some of the some more evidence theunless we get a real grip of. so unless we get a real grip of this the law as it stands and this in the law as it stands and it's your power to change this in the law as it stands and it's law, your power to change this in the law as it stands and it's law, well, r power to change this in the law as it stands and it's law, well, where r to change this in the law as it stands and it's law, well, where r to are. ige the law, well, where you are. right. where would right. and where i would absolutely am not

absolutely agree is i am not sympathetic at all to people coming up with the last minute going. and here's another reason why they shouldn't be deported when, you know, these people, you it's legal aid. we you know it's legal aid. we are paying you know it's legal aid. we are paying to paying for people to be represented . and all of represented. and all of a sudden, out of the blue, they're on aircraft. on the steps of the aircraft. and course, there's and then, of course, there's another can't be another reason why they can't be deported. it's just but deported. i mean, it's just but again, that the system. >> so those lawyers , however >> so those lawyers, however frustrating is and by the frustrating it is and by the way, is frustrating. way, i agree, it is frustrating. they operating within the they are operating within the confines system. so if confines of the system. so if that a frustration for, that is a frustration for, say, the party the country, the ruling party of the country, then just astonished that the ruling party of the country, then systemt astonished that the ruling party of the country, then system hasn't ished that the ruling party of the country, then system hasn't ished changed. that system hasn't been changed. >> see some of >> well, i'd like to see some of them off because we knew them struck off because we knew that there there cases that there was there were cases where gone undercover and where they'd gone undercover and there in there were there were lawyers in there were paying paying legal aid to. and of course, doing is course, what they were doing is they these people, they were telling these people, giving play the giving them reasons to play the system, have to fly to system, because i have to fly to a that one. a break on that one. >> what do you think the primary purpose of is? purpose of prison is? >> well, deterrent and reform. >> well, deterrent and reform. >> don't think we >> um, so i don't think we should punish people for punishment's sake. but ideally what you want is to have a pnson what you want is to have a prison means that prison system, which means that people before people think twice before they commit then commit a crime, and then hopefully reform when

hopefully you reform them when they're there. hopefully you reform them when the�*yeah, there. hopefully you reform them when the�*yeah, i'vere. hopefully you reform them when the�*yeah, i've got to be honest >> yeah, i've got to be honest with you. and always say to with you. and i always say to all by now all my viewers, they know by now that very good job. am that it's a very good job. i am not in charge of this country because believe that the because i do believe that the prime purpose is prime purpose of prison is punishment. and course, punishment. and yes, of course, i rehabilitation, to i support rehabilitation, but to me secondary to making i support rehabilitation, but to me have secondary to making i support rehabilitation, but to me have an econdary to making i support rehabilitation, but to me have an awful|ry to making i support rehabilitation, but to me have an awful time making i support rehabilitation, but to me have an awful time inaking i support rehabilitation, but to me have an awful time in prison you have an awful time in prison so frankly, you never so that quite frankly, you never want back there in all of want to go back there in all of your life a little test for you as into the break. you as you go into the break. you tell do you think the tell me, what do you think the average cost a prison place average cost of a prison place in don't googling in the uk is? don't be googling it know if you do. it because i'll know if you do. the average cost of a prison place country, you tell the average cost of a prison platand country, you tell the average cost of a prison platand i'll country, you tell the average cost of a prison platand i'll seejntry, you tell the average cost of a prison platand i'll see you', you tell the average cost of a prison platand i'll see you .you tell

radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven, the live library in the house of lords and former conservative mep jacqueline foster and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker, remain alongside me. i asked you, what do think of do you think the cost of the average prison places in this

country? lee says . £130,000 country? lee says. £130,000 khalife 41,000. steve says 83. sarah says 34. and trevor says between quarter of a million and 300,000. mike says 37,000. i've got to say , no offence, but got to say, no offence, but you're all wrong. it is just under £47,000. so there you go. right, let's talk nhs. if you were taken ill, would you have faith and trust that actually the nhs would be there in your hour of need? because a poll has been commissioned now suggests that less than half of us would feel that way. say for example, if we were to be very sadly be diagnosed with cancer. this was a lib dem commissioned poll, i have to say . let me start with have to say. let me start with you . if you became ill, would you. if you became ill, would you. if you became ill, would you trust that the nhs would be there for you ? there for you? >> not in a timely way. i mean, i would trust it to the extent that i would go to the nhs if i had a problem. but i mean the

waiting list for people who have even serious conditions is very worrying moment. worrying at the moment. and you know, you this is a lib know, as you say, this is a lib dem i don't dem poll, but i don't think anyone's going to be surprised by results. people's by the results. people's dissatisfaction at dissatisfaction with the nhs at the extraordinary and the moment is extraordinary and i is. you know, i think i think it is. you know, i think why it is a shame why it is such a shame is because doesn't be because it doesn't need to be this 2010 there was this way now in 2010 there was sort confidence in the sort record confidence in the nhs and that has gradually crumbled since the tories came to power. so obviously covid has sort of intensified the situation, but it was the case that the waiting list had gone from 2000 in 2010, sorry , from 2000 in 2010, sorry, 2,000,000 in 2010 to about 4 million in in 2019. it's now gone up to 7 million. so covid obviously made the situation worse, but we were already i'm in a bad situation when we were hit by that pandemic. i in a bad situation when we were hit by that pandemic . i suppose hit by that pandemic. i suppose another concern as opposed to just the waiting list is also staff morale and hospitals crumbling. right? so the capital or the investment, the infrastructure in our nhs is crumbling. you've got hospital roofs sort of kept up by bits of wood , our reports from around

wood, our reports from around the country. so i think this is a result the country. so i think this is aresult underinvestment the country. so i think this is a result underinvestment . a result of underinvestment. and, you i have my and, you know, i have my concerns about the labour party, but i do think labour governments to fund the governments do tend to fund the nhs and that does mean nhs better and that does mean you'll in you'll have more confidence in your seen by your your that you'll be seen by your doctor timely way. doctor in a timely way. >> fair? jacqueline no, >> is that fair? jacqueline no, i don't is. i don't think it is. >> i think people are have lost confidence i'm not surprised confidence and i'm not surprised . i'd had friends, people i knew very well who were didn't see anybody during covid and subsequently died and of course the 7 million plus waiting lists are going to take a huge amount of time to get better. i don't think it's anything to do with underfunding. i think the problem is spending over £200 billion a year on this service. as always said, we've got as i've always said, we've got some frontline medics, but some great frontline medics, but the structure in my view, the structure is completely out of date . and if you split the date. and if you split the number of 1.4 million employees, us and you look at the number in the frontline and then the number of people, of course

you've got to have good administrators, you've got to have managers. some of have good managers. but some of the that are going in the things that are going on in these absolutely these hospitals are absolutely appalling and bad appalling and there's bad oversight. we've had it with some of the hospitals, with the maternity various maternity units and various things . and equally things like this. and equally and there's no excuse for that. there's absolutely no excuse. and i think there are people in place just not place and they're just not really to be taking really fit to be taking a responsibility to run organisations of that kind . organisations of that kind. there's also an awful lot of bureaucracy that's attached. i mean, i have friends who are in medicine and they've been surgeons and whatever for many years and the amount of bureaucracy that they have now filling in various things all the time , which most of it is the time, which most of it is pretty well unnecessary . i mean, pretty well unnecessary. i mean, we just heard, didn't we, fairly recently, that they were going to budget in to now put another budget in because needed more because they needed more diversity , for diversity officers? i mean, for god's sake, the nhs has got to be one of the most diverse organisations in this country. it always has been since 1948. and so , you know, when the

and so, you know, when the wasting and spending money, you've got good hr departments. in any event , you've got good hr departments. in any event, when you've got good hr departments. in any event , when they're in any event, when they're wasting spending money and wasting and spending money and coming up with all sorts of silly ideas like this, i'm surprised there's confidence surprised there's no confidence voice they're voice for people. they're turning up in a&e with stage four because they couldn't see a gp. there's still issues seeing gps now. i mean, i'm getting texts every five minutes about going to have a covid booster and people are waiting a fortnight have an fortnight to have an appointment. people should never have waiting for have even be waiting for a fortnight i think were fortnight. i think they were waiting fortnight during waiting for a fortnight during the is the blaze. a fortnight is ridiculous. so the system, the system needs to be looked at. how you do it? have no idea. how you do it? i have no idea. but my final point is but my final my final point is coming then for these boosters is there financial incentive ? is there a financial incentive? >> of course. of course. of course. >> yes, of course. >> yes, of course. >> prioritise those appointments. yes, of course. the ones that perhaps don't have the same financial incentive as of course. >> and . and i have no issue with >> and. and i have no issue with somebody doing a, you know, an appointment over the phone. i think that's fine. it suits many patients. the reason this patients. but the reason this backlog michael fair

backlog which michael to be fair and know some people might backlog which michael to be fair and to low some people might backlog which michael to be fair and to be some people might backlog which michael to be fair and to be theysome people might backlog which michael to be fair and to be they mightweople might backlog which michael to be fair and to be they might want might backlog which michael to be fair and to be they might want t01ight want to be they might want to because and it's because they're working and it's just not just something that's not perhaps particularly major. >> you like that face >> do you like that face telephone like everyone's so many places now seem to have defaulted to a telephone video conversation with your doctor . conversation with your doctor. >> i don't mind it as a first port of call. i mean, ideally, you know, you want the option to see to see the doctor. and i think people want to see the same doctor over and over again. again them. same doctor over and over again. amean, them. same doctor over and over again. amean, i them. same doctor over and over again. amean, i think them. same doctor over and over again. amean, i think on them. same doctor over and over again. amean, i think on this them. same doctor over and over again. amean, i think on this thisem. i mean, i think on this this covid issue, i mean, it might be the case that this is sort of gp's being financially incentivised. i mean, a more social more simple social well, a more simple explanation me though would explanation to me though would be sort nhs be in terms of sort of nhs prioritisation is that it's very, vaccinate very, very cheap to vaccinate someone actually need very, very cheap to vaccinate s(d0ct0r! actually need very, very cheap to vaccinate s(d0ct0r! do actually need very, very cheap to vaccinate s(d0ct0r! do it. actually need very, very cheap to vaccinate s(d0ct0r! do it. and tually need very, very cheap to vaccinate s(d0ct0r! do it. and tl assume d a doctor to do it. and i assume what they're hoping to do is to avoid more people into avoid more people going into hospital with severe covid. do you strategic you think it's a strategic prevention anyway ? prevention with omicron anyway? >> yeah. prevention with omicron anyway? >> well. prevention with omicron anyway? >> well in general, vaccine is you're trusting, you're a trusting man in general. vaccines are very cost effective. public health measure because they're very cheap to administer and obviously sort of

getting someone in. >> let's just let's just let's just move down the line. >> them coming into. >> them coming into. >> but let's move off >> yeah, but let's just move off that there's much more that because there's much more serious here. this isn't serious points here. this isn't now having now about somebody having a quick people who quick jab. this is people who have able to see gp's have not been able to see gp's dunng have not been able to see gp's during that 2—2 and half during that 2—2 and a half years, basically it was so difficult for them and the consequences now where you've got the addition with the waiting list and it's how you then deal with it, i'd like to see a mixed provision service. yes, i'd like to see some private public like they private and public like they have on. >> you think to the nhs? >> what do you think to the nhs? do trust and what do you do you trust it and what do you think as well? there's often think as well? so there's often default conference default at video conference option. had a boil on option. if you had a boil on your backside, i wouldn't. i wouldn't quite fancy getting it out video screen, out in front of a video screen, would i don't anyway, would you? i don't know. anyway, bennett says the problem with the nhs today is that people expect nhs, expect too much from the nhs, john this. i'll john says. and i like this. i'll end one before go to end on this one before i go to the positivity, john the break. nice positivity, john says. would trust says. i absolutely would trust the i was diagnosed with the nhs. i was diagnosed with liver cancer last year. sorry to hear . and i was transplant. hear that. and i was transplant. i transplant within six

i had a transplant within six months at saint james's hospital in leeds. john nhs have in leeds. john says the nhs have been me and i'm very been amazing to me and i'm very happy to hear that and i wish you continued good health. john. now break, i'll have now after the break, i'll have some more your responses, but some more of your responses, but i share this with some more of your responses, but i i share this with some more of your responses, but i i it share this with some more of your responses, but i i it shabizarre.vith some more of your responses, but i i it sha bizarre. gb you. i find it very bizarre. gb news been banned from welsh news has been banned from welsh parliament televisions . what on parliament televisions. what on earth is going on? i'll see you .

in two. hi hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you at all seven. jack arlene foster and michael walker remain alongside me. lots of people getting in touch and it's nice as well to get positive nhs stories because i suspect if you are an nhs staff member, your morale, as we touched on earlier, could perhaps be quite low , mick says. perhaps be quite low, mick says. i was diagnosed with prostate cancer in january 2022 and i had a radical prostatectomy in may 2022, which just had some

radiotherapy and he says as well that he wants to praise the nhs. it has been absolutely magnificent throughout. he says. when it to his treatment. when it comes to his treatment. as said again to you, make i as i said again to you, make i wish you continued good health as well. now let's let's be a little bit self—indulgent , if little bit self—indulgent, if you don't mind, because i do want to talk about gb news, the welsh parliament has basically banned gb news from parliamentary televisions. i'll read some of it out. apparently gb news has been described as being demeaning to public debate . contrary to our parliament's values, is of course the welsh parliament. i'm talking about. it's been removed. they're saying that it's there was a recent broadcast that was deliberately offensive and on and on it goes as a labour mp, jenny rathbone, she celebrated this. she's asked the senate to take this measure. she's tweeted about it tonight saying she's delighted that gb news has been banned off those televisions. she says that we're toxic. i've got to say, quite frankly, if i

was jenny, i probably would not be so quick to call people toxic if i like. jenny had just been suspended previously from my party and asked to go on a anti—semitism training and had formal sanctions against me, i probably wouldn't be describing other people as but there other people as toxic. but there you . jacqueline, what do you you go. jacqueline, what do you make all? make to it all? >> well, fact that you've >> well, the fact that you've been they intend to ban you. the senate, i think as gb news, i think you should wear it as a badge of honour because frankly, some of the decisions they appear whether their appear to make, whether their latest 20 mile an hour on on most of the roads in wales and everybody's having a nervous breakdown those is what breakdown with those is what they doing during covid. i they were doing during covid. i remember with lockdowns and i'm they were doing during covid. i renthe ber with lockdowns and i'm they were doing during covid. i renthe welsh :h lockdowns and i'm they were doing during covid. i renthe welsh borderiowns and i'm they were doing during covid. i renthe welsh border near; and i'm they were doing during covid. i renthe welsh border near thei i'm on the welsh border near the welsh border, we'd have a welsh border, so we'd have a lockdown they lockdown in england and they decided to have one at a different nobody knew different time. nobody knew whether they could go to work or not. find it astonishing not. i just find it astonishing when have an organisation when you have an organisation like bbc and we're watching like the bbc and we're watching actually a very series at actually a very good series at the jimmy saville and the moment on jimmy saville and some the things that took some of the things that took place of mainstream place in some of mainstream media years that you

media over the years that you have somebody like this banning gb news because somebody said something that obviously offended somebody. i think it's pathetic and maybe she's just trying to get a press release out or something. yeah i mean, i actually find this quite concerning . concerning. >> this is we've got a broadcast licence we're regulated in the same way anybody else. so why same way as anybody else. so why is it that that would be removed from an official television system in that welsh parliament? your thoughts ? your thoughts? >> yeah, i don't have too much skin in this game. >> i mean, i'd like novara media to be on those internal systems, but can't afford the broadcaster. >> do you think that this channel should banned in that way? >> no. >> no. >> well, i mean, i think >> well, so i mean, i think there are questions about whether be whether or not ofcom should be a little up. i think little bit beefed up. so i think there terms what well, so there in terms of what well, so there in terms of what well, so there are genuine questions that so uk, for example, so say in the uk, for example, we some of the we have avoided some of the polarisation have polarisation that you have in the it comes the united states when it comes to news on one side and to fox news on one side and msnbc other. i think msnbc on the other. and i think people advantages to people see certain advantages to that people worry gb that and people worry that gb news move us into a news sort of will move us into a direction sort of opinionated direction of sort of opinionated

political tv. and that could increase polarisation in society, won't necessarily society, which won't necessarily have result. me, have a good result. but for me, if a lawmaker, that's about if i'm a lawmaker, that's about let let me respond to let me about let me respond to ofcom, people ofcom, not because the people that concern now about that express concern now about gb news coming along and people like me giving opinion lines have had absolutely no issues at all with polarisation of all with the polarisation of political debate in this country. >> the balance was tipped >> when the balance was tipped the opposite direction, for example, were example, panel debates were skewed majority skewed in terms of majority of remainers and perhaps one took and brexiteer that kind of representation, that kind of opinion, all rest. that was absolutely fine . and now that absolutely fine. and now that actually i always pick brexit as the as the polarising , you know, the as the polarising, you know, topic, it seems that's what we're discussing now on this channel. for example, a brexiteer would be given a fair heanng brexiteer would be given a fair hearing and i would argue that that's sometimes one of the first times that that's fairly happenedin first times that that's fairly happened in broadcasting. then all of a sudden the criticism comes all look at these people . comes all look at these people. they should be shut down. they shouldn't be given voice shouldn't be given this voice because disagree because it's a voice we disagree

with. i mean, this country is polarised, we've been polarised, right? we've been polarised, right? we've been polarised before gb news polarised long before gb news came along. >> think there are >> well, i think there are issues that sort of i see on this channel that not this channel that we're not necessarily already polarised on. and i think there certain >> and i think there are certain climate for example. so climate change, for example. so i a big consensus i think there is a big consensus or been big or there has been a big consensus that we do need to get to net zero, that it's very important climate important to tackle climate change. a change. i think there's a faction the conservative faction within the conservative party hosts this faction within the conservative party who hosts this faction within the conservative party who wantiosts this faction within the conservative party who want to ts this faction within the conservative party who want to ts “that, channel who want to break that, that have consensus, that don't have that consensus, have been the have not been given the opportunity to their views. opportunity to have their views. >> so >> platformed previously. so therefore yes, therefore people think, yes, this consensus. this is massive full consensus. well suppose i, well i suppose i just can i, can ijust well i suppose i just can i, can i just come in here? >> because the thing is the reason success and reason gb news is a success and talk radio was the same. it was all similar time is all around similar time is because then felt as because people then felt as though they were tuning into a station that actually represents their views now , you know, their views now, you know, there's supposed to be neutrality , particularly with neutrality, particularly with the bbc and various others . i the bbc and various others. i was at the other end as a mep. i was at the other end as a mep. i was i was elected for 15 years and i've appeared many times on

what was then the bbc or itv because there was no gb news and there was no talktv or whatever it is. and i was very often the one person i was supported brexit and i was very often i would end up in a debate or whatever . and there was me and whatever. and there was me and there was about five others. and so , you know, the mainstream so, you know, the mainstream media can't lecture me on what they think is fairness or what's not. polarisation an and that's what we that's what we have put up all these years. and up with for all these years. and it's refreshing . and this is it's so refreshing. and this is why your audiences will grow . why your audiences will grow. it's refreshing that people it's so refreshing that people with different points of view and you always have. we're sitting now and we are 2—2 sitting here now and we are 2—2 sides of opposite sides politically, probably on most things i would say. and that is what you try to do. and therefore the audience then can make up their own mind. they might like something you said or i said or nothing i would have said. think we're both mad, said. i think we're both mad, but but no. and the fact is, i said i'd be flattered that the senate have done this because it says about them. mean, says more about them. i mean, frankly, to even say something

like is absolutely pathetic. >> well , go pathetic. >> well, go on. pathetic. >> well , go on. yeah, pathetic. >> well, go on. yeah, i pathetic. >> well , go on. yeah, i suppose >> well, go on. yeah, i suppose intake of breath that for my colleagues . colleagues. >> i'm not really here to defend this decision from the welsh parliament. >> it does seem a little bit silly to me. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> i suppose the benefit of, of the example, is even if the bbc, for example, is even if you do it biases , is you do think it has biases, is there some means by you there is some means by which you can complain about that. can sort of complain about that. it does at least never win to be impartial. the impartial. and i suppose the concern a less concern about having a less regulated media space is that it's case everyone it's not the case that everyone then voice. it's that then gets equal voice. it's that then gets equal voice. it's that then what buys you influence is, is right? so i do think is money, right? so i do think this channel does allow different perspectives on, but it does have a leaning to the right and one of the don't forget you've always got an off button nobody you're not a button nobody you're not on a three line whip this programme. >> can always turn it off >> you can always turn it off and always change. so and you can always change. so you that complain you know, people that complain about that's well, always about that, that's well, always have a choice. >> barry's watching. he says, hey, michelle, i'm still watching. no, no, we can't see you in home. thank you very you in my home. thank you very much. cheers you, much. here, here. cheers to you, barry. look how time flies.

that's all we've got time for. michael. thank you michael. jacqueline, thank you for company. you. at for your company. thank you. at home, as always. it's much appreciated . nigel farage. up appreciated. nigel farage. up next, a good night. see you next, have a good night. see you tomorrow . tomorrow. >> alex deegan here with your latest weather update from the met for gb news. the met office for gb news. the storm has yet to fully storm system has yet to fully arrive, but once it does , it's arrive, but once it does, it's going to drop a lot of rain between weekend between now and the weekend storm. babette is brewing down to south—west initially to the south—west initially throwing rain up across the south during wednesday , but then south during wednesday, but then continuing to track northwards and kind of becoming slow moving on wednesday night over northern ireland, england ireland, northern england and then into parts of eastern scotland an amber scotland where we have an amber warning but we warning in place. but we have yellow across a good yellow warnings across a good part uk. to date part of the uk. keep up to date with weather warnings with those weather warnings through the office website. through the met office website. back and some rain back to tonight and some rain across of northern ireland across parts of northern ireland may turn a little heavy later in the night, but for many will the night, but for many it will be dry the winds be a dry night. the winds continuing strengthen continuing to strengthen and with cloud, it will with a lot more cloud, it will be a much milder night compared to nights scotland to recent nights across scotland , england and northern

, northern england and northern ireland. and for many, wednesday will be dry a bright will still be a dry and a bright day. northern england and eastern england good part of scotland staying dry, but there'll showery rain over there'll be showery rain over there'll be showery rain over the wales and southern the midlands, wales and southern england. that's going to up england. that's going to pep up as through the day. could as we go through the day. could turn evening across the wednesday evening across the south with the strengthening gusty wind as well. and gusty wind as well. wet and windy weather also working towards northern ireland. so some heavy bursts likely here through wednesday evening. temperatures , temperatures into the teens, even the high in the even the high teens in the south, not feeling very warm south, but not feeling very warm with windy weather with a wet and windy weather which continues through wednesday night. and then in thursday grinds to wednesday night. and then in tihaltiay grinds to wednesday night. and then in tihalt across grinds to wednesday night. and then in tihalt across eastern grinds to wednesday night. and then in tihalt across eastern scotland. 0 a halt across eastern scotland. hence why we have that amber warning in place here. but there will be heavy showers will still be heavy showers elsewhere

>> good evening. i'll be joined live tonight on the program by the israeli ambassador to the

united kingdom. i'll get her both professional and personal reaction to the events of the last couple of weeks. we'll discuss the terror level in this country. does it need to be raised? because it has been in france and in belgium and there's good reason, i think, to do it here, too. we'll also discuss rishi sunak going to israel later on this week. and unbelievably , the welsh unbelievably, the welsh parliament has banned gb news from its television sets. yes we have been cancelled by the labour administration in wales. they've decided to pick a fight with us. well, i like a fight. i'll be discussing that too, later on. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story tonight is that officials in gaza are saying at least 500 people have been injured in an israeli airstrike on a hospital. the israeli military is saying it

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