confidentiality and over in wales welsh water have confessed to illegally spilling sewage for years. those greedy water water companies right now nationalise them say many. that'll fix it. but hang on a second. welsh water is not for profit, so what then is the answer? and bibby stockholm, despite just stop oil's best efforts yet . you oil's best efforts yet. you heard me right. migrants are back on board. the government basically said if they refused their support , it would end their support, it would end right move or not. we'll have it all to come and more. but before we get into all that, let's grab tonight's latest headlines .

tonight's latest headlines. >> very good evening to you. it is 6:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. rishi sunak is in saudi arabia for talks with crown prince mohammed bin salman as his shuttle diplomacy in the middle east continues . earlier middle east continues. earlier in jerusalem, the prime minister told israeli counterpart benjamin netanyahu he welcomed the decision to allow humanitarian aid into gaza from egypt and said the uk stood in solidarity with israel . and mr solidarity with israel. and mr netanyahu thanked him for visiting the country, calling it a strong statement of support in a strong statement of support in a dark time. pm rishi sunak, though, stressed that israel must adhere to international law in gaza and that the conflict must not spread elsewhere. >> i've had good, productive conversations with both prime minister netanyahu and the israeli president herzog . among israeli president herzog. among other things, we discussed the importance of this conflict not escalating regionally and the importance getting importance of getting humanitarian aid into gaza to help people who need it. i also had the opportunity to meet families of british nationals who have been taken hostage. we're doing absolutely

everything we can to get them home. >> nine britons are now known to have died in the hamas attacks that took place earlier this month with seven still missing. meanwhile, israel's continued its aerial assault on gaza. a warning some viewers may find the following images distressing . well, palestinian authorities say more than 3700 people have died in gaza and some 12,000 have been injured. approximately a million people have been displaced with the un warning food, water and medicine is in critically short supply. now hundreds of aid lorries are queuing at the rafah crossing, which connects gaza with egypt. but it's unclear when the border will open as israel continues its total siege of the enclave . its total siege of the enclave. families of children and teenagers held captive in the gaza strip have been holding a press conference in tel aviv . press conference in tel aviv. israel says 1400 of its citizens were killed in the hamas attacks on the 7th of october. while it's understood around 200 people have been taken hostage ,

people have been taken hostage, one israeli mother begged hamas to release her kidnapped children . children. >> the whole world have to scream and to ask for human humanity. and i think and i pray and i begging and i ask even hamas this moment, you have the opportunity to show that you still have humanity . opportunity to show that you still have humanity. i'm asking the whole world and your voice to scream to sky till the sky is open. to scream to sky till the sky is open . bring our children home. open. bring our children home. >> the foreign secretary has held talks with his egyptian counterpart to discuss the ongoing conflict . james cleverly ongoing conflict. james cleverly visited israel last week and will travel to turkey and qatar over the coming days to seek a peaceful resolution. the uk says the three countries are vital to international efforts to uphold regional stability, also to free hostages and allow humanitarian

access to gaza . the french access to gaza. the french president, emmanuel macron , has president, emmanuel macron, has attended the funeral of a teacher who was stabbed and killed in a suspected islamist attack last week. dominique bernard was stabbed to death six days ago in the northern city of arras. president macron and his wife spoke to the teacher's family ahead of the ceremony, also attended by bernard students, each carrying a white rose. the suspect is under formal investigation for murder . formal investigation for murder. air france has been on its highest state of alert since the attack as asylum seekers have returned to the bibby stockholm in portland, despite activists attempting to prevent it from happening. just stop. oil protesters obstructed a coach carrying migrants, holding banners reading no prison ships and demand humanity. all 39 people were removed from the barge in august after legal nella bacteria was discovered . nella bacteria was discovered. 11 illegal migrants have been arrested while working at a top

london hotel . the agency staff london hotel. the agency staff were arrested by immigration officers at the london marriott hotel in regent's park . they hotel in regent's park. they were employed in legally as cleaners, porters and maids, working 15 hour days through third party recruitment agencies . five were detained pending deportation , while a further six deportation, while a further six were bailed. none of them have the right to work in the uk. concrete that could be at risk of collapse has been identified in a further 40 schools in colleges across england. the department for education says the latest figures on the concrete, known as rack brings the total to 214. the latest update from ministers in september had that number at 174 and an evacuation order has been put in place for all residents in the scottish town of brecon and more than 400 homes have been asked to leave due to the unprecedented level of rain that's expected to fall in the area . aberdeenshire council says area. aberdeenshire council says it will be setting up rest centres in stonehaven and

laurencekirk for those who are unable to remain in their homes. a rare red weather warning has been issued as storm babet approaches. it's likely to cause severe flooding and a risk to life in some parts of scotland and we are on tv, on digital radio and if you want us on your smart speaker, just say play gb news. that's it for me. now over to . michelle to. michelle >> thanks for that. i'm michelle jubin. i'm with you till 7:00 alongside me. the consultant alex dean and also the co—founder of novara media , co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. good evening , aaron bastani. good evening, gentlemen, to you. you know the drill , don't you? it's not just drill, don't you? it's not just about us three. it's very much about us three. it's very much about home. what's about you guys at home. what's on your mind tonight? all the usual you reach me. usual ways you can reach me. vaiews@gbnews.uk the vaiews@gbnews.uk corn is the email. can tweet me at gb email. or you can tweet me at gb news. i want to talk to you specifically about here in the uk and the amount of support or seemingly lack of strong

criticism when it comes to hamas and whether or not that is potentially going to start spreading extreme racism here in this country . before i get into this country. before i get into all of that, which will be in just a couple of moments, let's bnng just a couple of moments, let's bring ourselves up to speed, though, shall we, with the latest goings over in israel latest goings on over in israel and charlie peters is live in tel aviv. good evening, charlie. bnng tel aviv. good evening, charlie. bring us up to speed . bring us up to speed. >> so today, obviously the prime minister, rishi sunak in country for that long awaited diplomatic visit after us president joe biden arrived yesterday and sunak told netanyahu that we want you to win . he also want you to win. he also reaffirmed that he was glad to hear that israel had agreed to the opening of humanity an aid from egypt into the gaza strip via the rafah border crossing. but since that announcement over 24 hours ago, we have not had confirmation of when aid will arrive into the gaza strip , arrive into the gaza strip, which is experiencing what the un and other international observers have described as an

untenable humanitarian crisis, a un chief said. four days ago that the spectre of death is looming over the territory and the scenes from the south of gaza in particular, where people have been ordered to flee by the idf, are extremely disturbing. the idf say they have established a humanitarian safe zone on the coast and al—mawasi . zone on the coast and al—mawasi. but how people will get there and how more crucially aid will get there is yet to be determined. but in the rest of the country, in the south, we have heard in the last two hours from defence minister yoav galant, told troops galant, who told troops gathering that border some gathering on that border some over 100,000 with armoured convoys well. said . you convoys as well. he said. you are at gaza from afar are looking at gaza from afar but soon will see it from but soon you will see it from the inside. another general also reaffirmed a similar message to troops in what is the clearest stance taken by israeli political and military leaders about their upcoming plans in the gaza strip. since this conflict began . and while he conflict began. and while he made those comments in the north, some 30 missiles have been fired from southern lebanon into israeli territory today

after a relative lull in the morning. there was one barrage of 11 rockets where the iron dome missile air defence system failed to intercept some rockets which landed in northern israel and some people were injured there. this was claimed by hamas, but lebanese hezbollah have also been active on that border region. we have seen the continuation of protests throughout the arab world, in baghdad, in cairo , in beirut. baghdad, in cairo, in beirut. and we've also seen uprisings in the west bank. in ramallah. we have seen hundreds of people being arrested by the israeli authorities on suspicion of being associated with or members of hamas. overnight, they arrested dozens and claimed arms and munition associated with the terror group. but there are also more concerning developments beyond the near region here in iraq and syria, where there have been claims by iranian proxy groups that missile attacks and suicide drone attacks have been successfully launched on american bases . now, the us american bases. now, the us yesterday originally denied that any injuries had taken place,

but have since confirmed that some troops were being assessed for injuries after one of those strikes was intercepted over a base in northern iraq , whereas base in northern iraq, whereas there were two missile strikes in east syria for the some 900 american troops in that country. if an american soldier is more severely injured or if there are severely injured or if there are severe casualties in iraq and syria, that will be a major escalation threat in this conflict . as the war rages on conflict. as the war rages on and that ground invasion looks likely, iran is certainly acting further and warning israel not to continue its aggression on the gaza strip . the gaza strip. >> charlie peters, fascinating insight , as >> charlie peters, fascinating insight, as always. thanks for that. and do stay safe. thank you . of course, we'll just be you. of course, we'll just be mentioning rishi sunak has been speaking out over in israel today. i'm going to summarise what he said with just a very simple sentence or two. listen can the last thing for me to close on is this. >> you describe this as israel's darkest hour. well, then it's for me to say , i'm proud to

for me to say, i'm proud to stand here with you in israel's darkest hour as your friend. we will stand with you in solidarity. we will stand with your people. and we also want your people. and we also want you to win . you to win. >> yeah. so one of the things that i found interesting today is the uk's counter terrorism star. basically, he is saying that within the streets of britain there are a few too many people basically either supporting directly hamas or by definition not really criticising hamas to the level of which one would perhaps expect it. he's concerned raising concerns, therefore , raising concerns, therefore, that perhaps this is going to allow extremism to fester and to kind of develop on our streets. of course, therefore, putting many of us at risk. now, i'm going to turn to you directly first, aaron bastani, because i and i shall be very transparent with you. i've hosted novara media a fair bit on my show as regular viewers will be aware and over this past week or so , and over this past week or so, i've had an enormous amount of criticism for doing so. i've got

a couple of emails that have i mean, i've had one a second ago from tina when she saw that you were on the panel as well. but many people are writing things like the following. this is richard. you keep richard. why do you keep platforming they platforming novara media? they are who promote are far left racists who promote hatred , for example, and people hatred, for example, and people many people keep referring to that tweet from one of your editors, rivka brown. so what would you say to the people that are telling me that novara shouldn't be here? because you're basically exactly as richard is saying, you're far left and essentially racists that don't condemn hamas? >> well, i'm very happy to condemn hamas. that's the first thing off the bat. i'm very happy to do that. and i'm very worried about the prospect or the of the possibility of the kind of enmity see in west asia enmity that you see in west asia and the middle coming here and the middle east coming here to uk. broadly speaking, to the uk. broadly speaking, this a very safe country. this is a very safe country. people have rights to protest freedom association. can freedom of association. they can get life. that's why get on with life. that's why lots want to come get on with life. that's why lots and want to come get on with life. that's why lots and i want to come get on with life. that's why lots and i wantant to come get on with life. that's why lots and i want to to come get on with life. that's why lots and i want to keepwme get on with life. that's why lots and i want to keep ite get on with life. that's why lots and i want to keep it that here. and i want to keep it that way. i think that's a good thing. i it's a great thing. i think it's a great country. i'm very proud and

privileged to myself privileged to call myself british terms whether british in terms of whether or not on your that's not i come on your show. that's obviously at discretion. obviously at your discretion. i'm clearly on the left. i'm very clearly on the left. i certainly don't think i'm a racist. and i would say to the first comment you read there, you know, i'm responsible for what for anybody of wh what i say and not for anybody of wh colleague rivkah brown said, it was a tweet. it wasn't on novara time. i want to remind people, please, she basically said, among that today, please, she basically said, amnoctober that today, please, she basically said, amnoctober the that today, please, she basically said, amnoctober the 7th, that today, please, she basically said, amnoctober the 7th, when :oday, please, she basically said, amnoctober the 7th, when hamas i.e. october the 7th, when hamas did terrorist did that appalling terrorist attack, she called that basically a day of for celebration. deleted celebration. yeah, she deleted that apologised. she's she's jewish. >> and i think what would you think that i mean i know i agree her brain but why would you agree think that. never mind think oh know what? not only think oh you know what? not only do that going to do i think that i'm going to write it and share it the write it and share it with the nation, she doesn't. well, well, she's told me she doesn't think that anymore. >> and she saw bulldozer >> and she saw the bulldozer going border fence going through the border fence between she saw between gaza and israel. she saw that a very that and she tweeted a very stupid thing. again, what i'd say this is again, it's say is and this is again, it's entirely for people to entirely up for people to discern themselves discern for themselves if somebody apologies, somebody offers apologies, if they forgiveness, that's

they ask for forgiveness, that's then to other person to then up to the other person to say, forgive you or not. say, i forgive you or not. that's up them. but that's that's up to them. but that's the that she can do and the best that she can do and that's what she's done for example, he was on with jacob rees—mogg monday, rees—mogg the other day, monday, i this week. i think it was this week. >> jacob rees—mogg, asked him >> he jacob rees—mogg, asked him directly. obviously, everyone agrees a terrorist agrees that hamas is a terrorist organisation michael organisation and michael wouldn't point. wouldn't concede that point. he'd there he'd concede that there was a terrorist that had been terrorist act that had been committed, really did stop committed, but really did stop short saying yes , it's short of saying yes, it's a terrorist organisation . what do terrorist organisation. what do you think to that? because of course this is all coming under the umbrella of navarra. so neither of those two instances. >> what i'd say is actually people watching, you know, we have a youtube show people should free watch it. should feel free to watch it. i'm not to steal your i'm not trying to steal your viewers, and we're more viewers, michel. and we're more than hour day. than one hour in the day. >> watch many >> people can watch many different things. >> regulated we're >> we're regulated and we're both youtube. we're regulated >> we're regulated and we're boiimpress. tube. we're regulated >> we're regulated and we're boiimpress. soe. we're regulated >> we're regulated and we're boiimpress. so obviously, lgulated >> we're regulated and we're boiimpress. so obviously, theited by impress. so obviously, the standard of journalism fact standard of journalism and fact checking whatnot is very checking and whatnot is very high our show. and what rivka high on our show. and what rivka did was obviously fall very short of that in terms of michael. well, i mean, i don't know what he said or didn't say.

i saw some clips on social media. i didn't see the whole thing. i would just overtly say hamas is a terrorist organisation proscribed hamas is a terrorist orgthis;ation proscribed hamas is a terrorist orgthis country proscribed hamas is a terrorist orgthis country underoscribed hamas is a terrorist orgthis country under law. jed hamas is a terrorist orgthis country under law. but in this country under law. but clearly indisputable. indisputably, it's an organisation which used organisation which has used terror against civilian populations in order achieve populations in order to achieve its political that is the its political aims. that is the definition of a terrorist organisation. i don't really organisation. so i don't really see argue against see how one could argue against that. let's i'm going i'm that. so let's i'm going to i'm going to back to you on that. >> but i just want to broaden this out and make it more about the left more generally, because, michel, before do, because, michel, before you do, in quite in my view, ouran is quite plainly not a racist. >> i've known him for some time and that he's someone and i think that he's someone well within the parameters of normal discourse country well within the parameters of normel discourse country well within the parameters of normel do course country well within the parameters of normel do think, country well within the parameters of normel do think, though country well within the parameters of normel do think, though it'sntry . and i do think, though it's fair to give you the opportunity to reply about what people have thought about what your colleague said. after all, you work together and if a colleague of mine my organisation had of mine at my organisation had said similar, would said something similar, i would well that well and truly expect that question . i suppose people the question. i suppose people the reason including myself, reason people including myself, were read what she were upset to read what she wrote was first that when someone apologises for something like you naturally think

like that, you naturally think you're not sorry. you don't no longer think that you're wrong. you're because got you're sorry because you got caught. you're sorry because you're sorry because you got caught been re sorry because you're sorry because you got caught been madey because you're sorry because you got caught been made to vecause you're sorry because you got caught been made to sayuse you're sorry because you got caught been made to say sorry . you've been made to say sorry. and that's that's the first thing. and the second thing was that when she wrote very that when she wrote on the very day hamas went and killed day that hamas went and killed all those people at that festival, well, today should be a of celebration when, you a day of celebration when, you know, and old and know, young and old and different backgrounds , people different backgrounds, people massacred there. and then another 150 odd kidnapped . and i another 150 odd kidnapped. and i mean, the idea that something that someone would celebrate, i just think is repellent. and that's why whilst i don't i don't attribute any of that to you, i think it's fair for people to ask you what you think about it. >> so move this off from novara and make it more broadly about the left. because. because what um, robin was saying this morning, robin simcox, the counter extremist. >> yes. i read his statement and it's yeah. so it's extraordinary. yeah. so i find this quite interesting because he's basically saying that not enough people are condemning hamas and all the rest of it.

>> and as a result, therefore, the population in the uk are at heightened risk . heightened risk. >> he has gone further and said that prominent people in the united kingdom are praising the evil ideology of hamas and excusing its barbarism . i mean, excusing its barbarism. i mean, it's really robust . i would say it's really robust. i would say this there are while you're talking, by the way, just explain to viewers, i'm going to show some live footage now. show you some live footage now. >> protest i think >> this is a protest at i think it's in paris, actually. and this taking place as we speak this is taking place as we speak there are people there are some people on the left who see hamas for what it is. >> and there are some people on the who are actively the right who are actively hostile towards israel. but in answer to your question about about this country, about the left in this country, it's plain broadly speaking, i think that there's more support not for gaza , but for hamas not just for gaza, but for hamas specifically on the left. and there's more support for israel and hostility towards hamas on the right. broadly speaking . and the right. broadly speaking. and in terms of uk safety, which was the your introduction to this package , my initial reaction package, my initial reaction was, you know, so what whatever people say, it's a proscribed

terrorist organisation . we will terrorist organisation. we will take care of ourselves and we know hamas is, but actually know what hamas is, but actually when i see, you know, signs put on doors of jewish people in berlin, berlin or shops in my own beloved london, in north london, vandalised because their owners are jewish. as a jewish friend of mine said this week , friend of mine said this week, this is how it starts . this is how it starts. >> it is. and we was talking about one of these protests on my first day back from my holiday, and i was saying that i'd seen this picture of these girls and they had this paratrooper thing, sellotaped to the was saying, you the back. and i was saying, you know, realise know, maybe they didn't realise it there. well i take it was there. well i take that back because there's way that back because there's no way that those didn't realise those people didn't realise that those people didn't realise that those was there. it was those stickers was there. it was also the front of the placard also on the front of the placard thing, she was thing, the stick that she was holding and i just that holding up and i just find that absolutely abhorrent that people are that are basically celebrating that horrendous . um, horrendous act of terrorism. um, and counter—extremism and to this counter—extremism quy's and to this counter—extremism guy's point, do you actually think that it's giving? because he says and i think it's quite interesting, there's less of a stigma about supporting hamas

and there would be any other terrorist organisation in the land and therefore people perhaps are making the case that certain things are all right when clearly they're not. is that fair ? that fair? >> it's a really interesting one because think i think that's because i think i think that's probably i think probably true. and i think that's because of the criminal nature by which the israeli state often acts. so people say you have war crimes or you have illegal settlements by israel, ergo, this is legitimate, whereas with isis or with any other terrorist organisation employing the exact same means, people say, well, what's that in response to? that just seems outrageous that you would be destroying cities in, you know , destroying cities in, you know, in syria or despoiling historic ruins or, you know , forcing ruins or, you know, forcing women into marriage and so on here, whether or not you agree and i think alex put it very rightly, there is clearly a sort of political, you know, there's a political difference here between left and right on this. i think people treat it differently they see it i think people treat it

difresponding they see it i think people treat it difresponding to they see it i think people treat it difresponding to something it i think people treat it difresponding to something quite as responding to something quite unique. that's a comment on unique. that's not a comment on whether not one should see it whether or not one should see it as legitimate or not in of as legitimate or not in terms of those those two young women. again and what i'd again outrageous. and what i'd also is how does that help also add is how does that help palestinians? does that help palestinians? how does that help palestine? that help palestine? how does that help human rights, legal rights, peace and prosperity in gaza or the west bank? it clearly doesn't. so i think that's just a very stupid for them to a very stupid thing for them to have . and i would want to have done. and i would want to distinguish between the millions of frankly, this of people, frankly, in this country. know, we had poll country. you know, we had a poll out today, over 70% of people want ceasefire israel want a ceasefire between israel and hamas or let's say between israel and basically israel and the population of gaza at this point, because it's mostly one way, understandably, given what happened of october, happened on the 7th of october, a big majority of people favour a big majority of people favour a ceasefire. and would be very a ceasefire. and i would be very reluctant to see the millions of decent people who agree with that position be libelled and labelled as apologists for hamas. and i'll finish with this. we live in a brilliant country , okay, i can say things

country, okay, i can say things or alex can say things. you can say things. people can disagree. you can broadly get on with your life that is incredibly, incredibly precious. and i'm very worried from both sides of this debate that that some people would seek to undermine that by clamping down on the rights of protest or by saying that it's unimportant. we should prohibit protests in regards to what's going on in the middle east. and then from other east. and then from the other side where where people actually don't rights don't value those rights to protest. abuse them. >> yeah , just hold that thought >> yeah, just hold that thought for two seconds. >> when i say two seconds, i actually mean two minutes. i'm going to take a break. but when we come back, alex will respond and go anywhere

that they represent pure evil andits that they represent pure evil and it's right that israel exercises its right to self—defence . hello there. self—defence. hello there. >> welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry till seven. alongside me, alex stein and aaron bastani remain just before the break, we were talking a lot about the situation in the uk and about

basically whether or not we're becoming less safe because of people's certain people's people's or certain people's reluctance condemn reluctance to directly condemn hamas. we were just talking, alex, you wanted to respond . alex, you wanted to respond. >> aaron was saying that some people feel the way they feel about hamas because of the way they feel about israel. and there is some to that . and there is some truth to that. and some people don't treat hamas like other terror like they treat other terror organisations is because of their feelings about israel. so far, so true , you know, but you far, so true, you know, but you don't. first of all, two wrongs don't. first of all, two wrongs don't make a right and one could concede lots of things that have been said about the state of israel surrounded by enemies, perpetually fighting wars to survive and still it is survive and still say it is wrong to use violence against it , let alone to people who dig up the water pipes. the international community have given turn them into given them and turn them into rockets . think, know, two rockets. i think, you know, two wrongs don't make a right is taken to a true extreme when people are beheading babies and kidnapping children. but you know, don't have to be know, you don't have to be anti—semitic to be hostile to israel. but it certainly helps. and i think that the point is

some see israel as they see israel. so negatively that they those opposed to israel, attract their sympathy, no matter how extreme their opposition might be. >> and, you know, rich richard has just messaged in and said , has just messaged in and said, when it comes to this subject, everyone now seems to be an armchair expert fanning the flames of misinformation when he says situation is says this situation is incredibly dangerous for the world at large . and i think that world at large. and i think that is a really key point, because overnight everyone popping up, as seems seemingly become this expert in the history , which is expert in the history, which is it's a very complex history and most people are not abreast of that situation for, you know, the reality is and people may or may not like this, the situation didn't just commence on october the seventh, as some people believe that it did. and i think the whole misinformation thing and the propaganda at large, particularly social media, particularly with social media, is incredibly dangerous. and some the things that are some of the things that are happening in circulating right

now, a matter of life now, this is a matter of life and death and escalation versus de escalation. do you think that balance been struck? well or balance has been struck? well or not? well, one of the things i like about the uk is that people are generally prone to temperance goodwill and thoughtfulness. >> i have to say the response to all of this, the protests , i all of this, the protests, i should say, from some members of the government, haven't been in keeping with that. and it does it does make me worry. so what are you on about? >> so , for instance, i think >> so, for instance, i think i think i think a sensitive, intelligent politician would say, i don't agree with these people protesting. >> they have a right to do it. >> they have a right to do it. >> and i'm sure what this protest on saturday in london. >> but they have a >> that's right. but they have a right to do it. i'm sure there are some bad people there, but i'm sure are many good are some bad people there, but i'm s1too. are many good are some bad people there, but i'm s1too. i are many good are some bad people there, but i'm s1too. i thinke many good are some bad people there, but i'm s1too. i think it'smy good are some bad people there, but i'm s1too. i think it's ay good ones, too. i think it's a perfectly sensible i happen to think i think that's a think that i think that's a perfectly position perfectly sensible position to hold. instead, we've hold. but instead, what we've had including the had said, including from the bbc, way, the bbc has to bbc, by the way, the bbc has to apologise for this on air is to say a protest in say that that was a protest in support of hamas, which it

clearly wasn't. you know, i know the who support the jewish people who support the jewish people who support the of israel who were on the state of israel who were on that demonstration, health care workers, of quote workers, all kinds of quote unquote, do unquote, normal people. so i do think issues think that there are issues here. course, you know, you here. of course, you know, you talked about those two young women paragliders women with the paragliders on their so that their back. and so that shouldn't be happening. but i would worried that those would be worried that those flames fanned by parts flames are being fanned by parts of media. some individuals of the media. some individuals within political within the government, political figures, political influences, because , this my because frankly, and this is my experience, i'm it's your experience, i'm sure it's your experience, i'm sure it's your experience, i'm sure it's your experience, i mean, you experience, too. i mean, you know this very well. you speak to your audience every day of the majority of the week. the vast majority of people country are people in this country are decent of their skin decent regardless of their skin colour just colour or background. they just want in life. they want to get on in life. they just want to do what's best for their might want their family. they might want to contribute if contribute to their community if they a little bit extra they have a little bit extra cash in their back pocket and they want to leave the world a better place than you better place than they, you know, they arrive. know, than when they arrive. that's it. right. and so i'm very worried about trying very worried about people trying to up into something to ramp this up into something that perhaps well, the that it perhaps isn't. well, the part of the difficulty seems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa mef the difficulty seems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with difficulty seems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with theiculty seems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with the it's:y seems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with the it's veryieems that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with the it's very hard; that it perhaps isn't. well, the pa me with the it's very hard to to me with the it's very hard to police right. >> you are right. people

>> because you are right. people have freedom to protest in have the freedom to protest in this country. and that's a vital right. have also formally right. we have also formally proscribed hamas as a terrorist organisation supporting organisation and supporting it and glorifying violence conducted criminal conducted by it is a criminal offence. so those responsible for such events, for policing such events, looking at tens of thousands of people, look at somebody people, will look at somebody saying something about palestine. okay tick so far, perhaps something perhaps saying something critical about okay, critical about israel. okay, tick. fine. so far, the moment it's that glorification is that supporting terrorism and at that point it's an arrestable offence. you're supposed to go and feel somebody's collar very difficult. and i'm not normally very sympathetic to the police difficult. and i'm not normally very sjthe athetic to the police difficult. and i'm not normally very sjthe athe that: the police difficult. and i'm not normally very sjthe athe that havepolice difficult. and i'm not normally very sjthe athe that have you :e about the fact that have you seen whole setup around the seen the whole setup around the cenotaphs? >> it was the disgraceful >> it was all the disgraceful should >> it was all the disgraceful shothe >> it was all the disgraceful sho the cenotaph >> it was all the disgraceful shothe cenotaph is a sacred >> the cenotaph is a sacred space in our country meant to glorify our glorious dead. and i think it's utterly wrong to allow people to politicise it and tenured and crass to the extreme to have done what was done at any normal authority would have swept it away in a moment. sometimes i can't believe it. i'm saying this sometimes you envy the french

and their willingness to just, you know. right. we're going to clear that out now. they wouldn't had for day wouldn't have had it for a day on champs—elysees. on the champs—elysees. >> think the >> what do you think the situation the processing situation in the processing around the cenotaph? >> well, that was where i think that where sort of base that was where the sort of base camp and that's ultimately camp was. and that's ultimately at of police camp was. and that's ultimately at the of police camp was. and that's ultimately at the local of police camp was. and that's ultimately at the local council. police camp was. and that's ultimately at the local council. i police camp was. and that's ultimately at the local council. i agree and the local council. i agree with alex. it's a very strange choice. but obviously they thought was problem thought there was no problem with only say that with it. but i can only say that what with the sort of backlash that it be happening again. >> you have to have a brain of stone think. stone to think. >> is no problem with >> there is no problem with doing that the cenotaph. it's doing that at the cenotaph. it's extraordinary me. doing that at the cenotaph. it's ext|and inary me. doing that at the cenotaph. it's ext|andinary about doing that at the cenotaph. it's ext|and inary about this whole >> and what about this whole because mean, the emotions because i mean, the emotions around situation are around this situation are immense. very understand ably. so, by the way, on both sides and the misinformation, the deliberate propaganda and all the rest is immense that you just mentioned. then for example, did capitated babies, didn't you? yeah has that actually been proven? and this sounds so awful because i'm not trying to split hairs in any way, shape or form, but the

nofion way, shape or form, but the notion of a decapitated baby, it's really unfortunate phrase about save and rightly so, by the way. it repulses everybody . the way. it repulses everybody. me but is it true? >> yeah, it's not the phrase i would have used in describing it either, but i think either, michel, but i think i believe i believe it to have been proven. and i believe that the position taken by israeli authorities then. are you happy now that we've had to display our dead children for you to have your your querying of our of our accounts verified? so, yes, i believe that is true. but there is a flip side to that, which is that aaron was rightly saying, you know, concerning outbursts from politicians who should remember that we've got to look after free speech in the hard just the easy hard times, not just the easy times. and that's true. on the other hand, there plenty other hand, there are plenty of people leapt accounts people who leapt on the accounts of israel supposedly be bombing a hospital before that was in any way verified. and it seems almost certain now that it was not israel that did that and have those members of parliament retracted or even a question retracted or even put a question mark statements. they mark over their statements. they have mark over their statements. they hav see, mark over their statements. they havsee, tell mark over their statements. they

hav see, tell you mark over their statements. they havsee, tell you what, because >> see, i tell you what, because we are now in an age now of advanced technology like never before, whole artificial before, the whole of artificial intelligence, the ease in which it as you're able now to make it is as you're able now to make something like your deepfakes, you're able to make something look so convincing , real when it look so convincing, real when it is not. it is it's scary , is not. it is it's scary, actually. and because everyone is so emotional, the second that you see something horrendous, you see something horrendous, you we connect to that as human beings . and on we circulate it beings. and on we circulate it and i think to richard's point, this whole kind of situation about what is true, what isn't true , the context around some of true, the context around some of these things is extraordinary. this whole thing that you just the whole thing is just so distressing . it's almost too distressing. it's almost too distressing. it's almost too distressing for words, isn't it? and i just i don't see how it is going to end. it seems to be getting worse. and escalating by the day as opposed to escalating. your thoughts escalating. keep your thoughts on that matter coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. speaking of technology , i'm wondering, do technology, i'm wondering, do you the police should you think that the police should be facial recognition

be using facial recognition technology to catch thieves? yes or no ? see you .

to gb news radio. >> hi there. >> hi there. >> i'm michelle dewberry tl7. alex dean, the pr consultant alongside me, as is the co—founder of novara media . co—founder of novara media. aaron bastani. now i want to talk to you about technology, facial recognition in, to be precise, that has now been used by met to help catch by the met police to help catch shoplifters stores in london. shoplifters in stores in london. it's quite complicated. some of this technology, but there's been a suggestion on, i think, by the policing minister that people's passports , photographs people's passports, photographs could be used in conjunction with this stuff to try and look at cctv images and try cross—mapping them to see who the criminals are , to help speed the criminals are, to help speed up the capture of them. >> there are two separate proposals on the table at once,

and only one of them is currently in force worth people knowing the first one is for our 12 kind of biggest leading retailers to pool their surveillance footage of people who've shoplifted from them hundreds of times and try and work out who are habitual offenders of the worst kind. and the second and at a ministerial level is to use the passport data from everybody and use that to try and catch shoplifters the truest sledgehammer to crack a nut on the first one about habitual offenders. it seems to me that's one thing. it's a specified small group of people . specified small group of people. and in the same way that pubs have always shared lists of their worst wrong'uns that you shouldn't that are barred . and, shouldn't that are barred. and, you know, it's based upon convictions or at least multiple occasions when something's gone wrong the retailer or the wrong for the retailer or the vendor , and there should be vendor, and there should be a route you to appeal to be route for you to appeal to be able get off that list. but able to get off that list. but you know, it's a small list. that's one thing. what some people government have said people in government have said about data being about all people's data being used completely used like this is completely different to passport different. to use our passport

database seems to me is completely wrong . we would all completely wrong. we would all be treated as presumed suspects, contrary to my understanding of privacy or data ethics, data obtained for one reason would then be applied and used for another one. we gave the government that data so that we could travel so that would could travel so that they would allow a passport and allow us to get a passport and travel and to use data acquired for one purpose for another. one read prospectively against us all and treat us all as suspected criminals is completely wrong. >> you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> entirely agree with >> oh, i entirely agree with that. i would also say adding to the very lucid analysis there by alex we all make trade alex that we all make trade offs. we say, you offs. so sometimes we say, you know i'm happy with know what, i'm not happy with this. bad to some extent. this. it's bad to some extent. it's an overstep by government. it's an overstep by government. it's you know, an infringement on my privacy . but it does on my privacy. but it does something which is good and effective and makes my life better, is good for society. there is no or there is not a major issue with catching people who are guilty of shoplifting . who are guilty of shoplifting. the problem is nothing happens to them. i'm sure all of to them. and i'm sure all of your viewers, your listeners

know this look in your local newspaper, any day of the week, there'll be somebody who's gone to the local magistrates court or a crown court. unlikely magistrate arts court. and they would have been found guilty of shoplifting repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly suspended sentence. nothing happens . so sentence. nothing happens. so why on earth ? just to build on why on earth? just to build on what alex was saying would we allow such a massive infringement on our privacy simply so somebody can get a suspended sentence? again, it seems me. it seems seems absurd to me. it seems ridiculous. there is a problem with regards to shoplifting in this country. i think there's a two pronged sort of response here. if somebody is stealing food or baby formula nappies, food or baby formula or nappies, i that i personally think that that person helped by the person should be helped by the state, them. state, not punished by them. however, have to be however, we also have to be honest, that's not everybody who shoplifts . shoplifts. >> a lot of people shoplift to order. someone's got order. now so if someone's got a baby formula is quite baby because formula is quite expensive as are nappies. so if someone's got a baby says, someone's got a baby and says, actually, do know what old actually, do you know what old michael lowever , he'll go down michael lowever, he'll go down there and he'll steal those for me. so actually i can spend my

money on other things. how do you determine that? no, actually, he's nicking it for his kid actually, he's his kid versus actually, he's just order now. just stealing to order now. >> think as >> yeah, well, i think if as a society, we have a major problem with regards thefts of baby with regards to thefts of baby formula nappies , i we formula and nappies, i think we need questions need to be asking questions about do we support families better. >> you're pointing an issue >> you're pointing to an issue about and sentencing, about mitigation and sentencing, michel, it would be very michel, and it would be very powerful mitigation the powerful mitigation for the mother to have mother of a hungry child to have shoplifted formula. it shoplifted some baby formula. it would be less powerful mitigation for somebody have mitigation for somebody to have shoplifted amount shoplifted ten times the amount of would need for of formula they would need for their own child they're their own child because they're shoplifting and you shoplifting it to order. and you might therefore would might think therefore they would receive sentence. receive a more serious sentence. the able to deal with the system is able to deal with things that. trouble things like that. the trouble with mentality beyond what with the mentality beyond what you're about, which is a you're talking about, which is a fair the trouble fair question, the trouble beyond people who beyond it is with people who impose these things, will argue if nothing to hide, if you've got nothing to hide, you've to fear, and you've got nothing to fear, and thatis you've got nothing to fear, and that is the biggest falsehood we when the has when the when the state has coercive powers, you say nothing to nothing to fear to that to hide, nothing to fear to that guy acquitted of guy who was wrongly acquitted of rape the best part of rape and spent the best part of two of his life in two decades of his life in pnson two decades of his life in prison now living in a tent.

prison is now living in a tent. the state, first of all, tried to charge cost of to charge him the cost of technology. oh, that's all right. >> is it? >> is it? >> he was cleared by and you tell the who were wrongly tell the people who were wrongly cleared people cleared him. yeah. and people said, the first said, don't worry. the first time convicted by time someone was convicted by this tech and people say it this new tech and people say it never goes wrong, but it has donein never goes wrong, but it has done in one of these cases the same that dna never lies. same way that dna never lies. and excuse me. let me finish. people dna people are convicted on dna evidence is evidence and people say dna is never wrong. then you find never wrong. and then you find out been cross—contaminated out it's been cross—contaminated in laboratory and they took in the laboratory and they took your the your sample given for the control against the control and tested against the sample. no doubt it comes sample. and no doubt it comes back. correct right. happened in tonnes of cases. people were convicted after time in convicted time after time in when dna was new technology when dna was a new technology and said, well, the and people said, well, the system possibly be wrong. system can't possibly be wrong. >> mean, nothing to >> what do you mean, nothing to hide, fear? hide, nothing to fear? >> do make to it? all >> what do you make to it? all at home? would you also, for example, just about facial example, not just about facial rec, example, if you had rec, but for example, if you had to in the society, to have id card in the society, would support that? would you even support that? when comes to shoplifting when it comes to shoplifting 342,000 recorded in 342,000 cases were recorded in the year and just 1 in the last year and just1 in 6 resulted in a charge you can make of that. what you will keep

your thoughts coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. i've got a lot coming your way. i want to talk to you about water. talk to you about welsh water. what's bibby what's going on there? bibby stockholm as apparently stockholm as well. apparently migrants their don't go migrants back on their don't go anywhere i'll see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. alex steen and aaron bastani remain alongside me. paul and aaron bastani remain alongside me . paul says of alongside me. paul says of course. facial recognition should be used. it's another asset for the police to use in the fight against terrorist . asset for the police to use in the fight against terrorist. um. you save a few robbers get caught as well, then win win. that that's got a tort i think it was from alex martin says michel you were catch shoplifters with facial recognition. this is not difficult . they will cover their difficult. they will cover their faces with a mask or a scarf or whatever, so it is pointless , whatever, so it is pointless, says martin. let me know your thoughts now over to wales. welsh water . they have admitted welsh water. they have admitted

now to illegally spilling untreated sewage at dozens of treatment plants for years. this is an interesting one for me because i often feel that when you got water stories and wrongdoing of water companies , wrongdoing of water companies, the default answer is these greedy capitalist profit rinsing companies nationalise them all. but welsh water is actually a not for profit. so this isn't what's going on. and driving that organisation. what do you make it all? make to it all? >> well, i imagine it's the company that told us this has happened and one of the things that happen we on that will happen if we carry on with put the with this, put them in the stocks attitude that some campaigners are urging. >> forced to >> the company was forced to admit this after a basically admit to this after a basically like a statistician went through with tooth comb with a fine tooth comb and analysed stuff analysed all their stuff and they went over to the bbc and grassed company grassed them up. so the company had but to go, oh had no choice but to go, oh yeah, actually, yeah. we have been doing right. been doing this right. >> well, my point is this >> well, look, my point is this if on down the road, if we carry on down the road, we're where people who run we're going where people who run these companies the

these companies are the pantomime villains the pantomime villains of the day. first no one run first of all, no one will run a water company any longer. first of all, no one will run a water company any longer . we're water company any longer. we're talking about people have been calling criminal calling all today for criminal sanctions . for those the boss sanctions. for those the boss didn't go down and open the sluice himself. right. and if we're going to make people individually, personally liable for actions like this one when they're not in all sorts of other businesses or industries, let alone criminal situations, we don't send hardened violent criminals to prison in this country on a quite a regular basis. but if we're saying we're going to bang up a ceo because they're the pantomime villain du joun they're the pantomime villain du jour, seems to me to be wrong. >> that right? >> is that right? >> is that right? >> let's say so who's going >> so let's say so who's going to company? let's say to run the company? let's say fergal is now appointed fergal sharkey is now appointed to water company. and next to run a water company. and next year what happens? broken year what happens? he's broken the because these the law as well because these companies a long, old companies are on a long, old journey they don't fix it journey and they don't fix it overnight. indeed, don't overnight. indeed, they don't fix or the constant fix the culture or the constant leaks and so forth. in months or years. but you're going to bang fergal sharkey up now, aren't you? >> well, i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> aaron you think the ceos >> aaron do you think the ceos of these companies are

of these companies that are doing these kind of things, does the stop them? should the buck stop with them? should there accountable? the buck stop with them? should thernshould accountable? the buck stop with them? should thernshould be accountable? the buck stop with them? should thernshould be criminal ble? accountability? >> yeah, well, they're paid as if stops with them. if the buck stops with them. that's the main thing i would say disincentives say that the disincentives for this low, which is to this are too low, which is to say that it's too easy to do things are illegal. forget things which are illegal. forget the are legal, but the things which are legal, but bad, highlighted people bad, often highlighted by people like but which like fergal sharkey, but which are illegal and very little happens. i think perhaps having them blacklisted from being company directors for several years be a way years might be a good way of doing it. think larger fines doing it. i think larger fines on companies themselves , but on the companies themselves, but frankly, water in this country is just a complete mess. >> if you impose those >> and if you impose those things you impose those things or if you impose those things or if you impose those things water companies, things just on water companies, then executives then talented executives will just and something else just go and do something else and you'll wind up with the worst in country. worst executives in the country. >> think so. this is an >> well, i think so. this is an interesting i think interesting point. i think that's partly problem that's partly true. the problem is i think we've already got some the worst executives in is i think we've already got sorrcountrye worst executives in is i think we've already got sorrcountrye wrail executives in is i think we've already got sorrcountrye wrail water. :ives in is i think we've already got sorrcountrye wrail water. you in the country in rail water. you don't find dynamic, talented people want to people saying, i really want to shake solve the problems shake up and solve the problems in this industry, in in this in this industry, in these privatised sort of games

like water, energy and rail. so i think alex has got a good point, but i think we're a million miles away from good people being there. >> guys will have >> anyway, you guys will have strong opinions on this. >> am sure. where does the >> i am sure. where does the buck an organisation buck stop in an organisation today? about today? we're talking about water, it's much water, but of course it's much broader than is it in broader than that. is it in charges , criminal charges? and charges, criminal charges? and what about the alex's point there? well, all the good people are going to run then, aren't they? maybe they just they? or maybe they might just up game and decide to act up the game and decide to act properly? i don't know. you tell me. vaiews@gbnews.com. i want to next about bibby to talk to you next about bibby stock comb. oh, i was about to to talk to you next about bibby stoto comb. oh, i was about to to talk to you next about bibby stoto an nb. oh, i was about to to talk to you next about bibby stoto an advert, i was about to to talk to you next about bibby stoto an advert, butis about to to talk to you next about bibby stoto an advert, but guess jt to to talk to you next about bibby stoto an advert, but guess what? go to an advert, but guess what? i'm not going to go to one. what a treat for you all. you sit a treat for you all. you can sit with me instead because bibby stockholm all familiar stockholm you're all familiar with by now, the migrants with that. by now, the migrants were because were taken off because of legionella. they are legionella. well, today they are back i to show you back on. but i have to show you this clip. it's very bizarre. just stop you heard me just stop oil. you heard me right. involved with right. they got involved with their worth. look the their £0.02 worth. look at the state this. this is the state of this. so this is the coach apparently be carrying some these migrants the some of these migrants to the bibby just oil bibby stockholm. just stop oil being just stop oil decided to

sit in front of that coach and do their level best to stop it. ihave do their level best to stop it. i have to say, not very successfully, because the coach driver having absolutely driver was having absolutely none carried driving none of it carried on driving thing. there was a very hysterical tweet that followed. if you ask me from , um, just if you ask me from, um, just stop oil, they reckoned that there was quote, i think it's there was i quote, i think it's intention to kill by the driver. i mean, come on now . i mean, i mean, come on now. i mean, where do we even begin with this? >> alex i'll begin by saying this from time to time you get a perfectly kind of mainstream , perfectly kind of mainstream, normal account on twitter. >> come out with some vitriolic bit of abuse , and you realise bit of abuse, and you realise the person responsible for running that corporate account has failed to log in to their personal account in order to deliver for day. deliver their hate for the day. and that reminds me, reminded me of because what is this to of this because what is this to do with just stop oil well, it's like they forgot log out like they forgot to log out of their and just their account and they just deployed . deployed. >> margaret. >> margaret. >> they deployed the same individuals who this individuals who do feel this way. you way. and they're basically, you know, the state being know, they hate the state being trying to control migrants. and so but you're not supposed to

trying to control migrants. and so the you're not supposed to trying to control migrants. and so the quiet�* not supposed to trying to control migrants. and so the quiet part supposed to trying to control migrants. and so the quiet part sup|loud. to say the quiet part out loud. we're dedicated to just we're just dedicated to just stopping oil. we're just dedicated to just st0| forgotyil. we're just dedicated to just st0| forgot to we're just dedicated to just st0|forgot to log the >> forgot to log out of the account. sorry, i sent the wrong 20 down and 20 activists down to try and stop a lorry. yeah. so i thought if you don't like the accommodation we've got, you can lump my view intense lump it. is my view intense action kill. action to kill. >> i don't know i can bring >> i don't know if i can bring the up. says we're the tweet up. it says we're saddened report that we were saddened to report that we were unable transportation unable to halt transportation of refugees to the prison. the pnson? refugees to the prison. the prison? you did hear prison? yeah, you did hear that, right? driver through right? the driver rammed through the block, risking killing those in needed more people . in front. we needed more people. we can't this alone . oh, do we can't do this alone. oh, do you know what i nearly nearly swore? aaron, you go. >> i'll save you. >> i'll save you. >> michel. yeah. >> michel. yeah. >> thank you. yeah it's interesting. i think many, many people agree with the aims of just oil terms the just stop oil in terms of in the long need to get long term. we need to get ourselves off fossil fuels. they might agree their might not agree with their tactics. then people tactics. and then many people will agree that perhaps the bibby the best bibby stockholm isn't the best way deal refugees in way to deal with refugees in this know, people this country. you know, people might disagree with might agree or disagree with that, know, the that, but i think, you know, the idea these are somehow now idea that these are somehow now coterminous causes and coterminous as causes and require same protest tactics require the same protest tactics

is it quite strange to me. is quite it quite strange to me. i they could have just put i mean, they could have just put on different t shirts and maybe it seems mean, but i, i don't really the strategic really understand the strategic intent conflating the intent here of conflating the very of getting very important issues of getting off fossil fuels in the long term. i think that includes nuclear personally and having a sensible human rights based immigration policy. >> we disagree on that issue, especially about nuclear. but i've got to tell you, this reinforces for many people their worst just stop oil, worst view about just stop oil, which is that they're just a bunch a mob. well yeah. bunch of rent a mob. well yeah. >> and john says the next time someone bibby stockholm someone calls bibby stockholm a prison, what? just prison, which is what? just stop. oil just called it in. that's where you'll be familiar with. john says time with. john says the next time someone it a prison, someone does call it a prison, please remind them that please can you remind them that this to this barge was used to accommodate forces ? accommodate our forces? personnel in the personnel went down in the falklands . so if it was good falklands. so if it was good enough for troops, why all of a suddenisit enough for troops, why all of a sudden is it not good enough for these people , the migrants? that these people, the migrants? that is a very , very fair point. is a very, very fair point. before i leave the show, i have to pick up a viewer

conversation. nick wrote in and asked me, michelle, how do you cope doing your job? because the news is so depressing. doom and gloom and all the rest of it. how do you manage mental how do you manage your mental health? think that's a health? and i think that's a very fair point, alex, because there negativity there is so much negativity going on in this world, isn't there? you find do you feel. >> i feel very positive about the world and i feel optimistic about our future a race. and about our future as a race. and as a country. and when i say race, i mean as a species. i think that humanity, our life expectancy has increased beyond everything. our forebears, new level of education on level of life, enjoyment as well as expectancy. i think if you take the long term view, you'll see actually our future is much brighter than people think. >> aaron, thoughts ? >> aaron, your thoughts? >> aaron, your thoughts? >> very optimistic. >> i'm also very optimistic. brilliant people are doing brilliant every day. you brilliant things every day. you just to go find the just have to go and find the stories. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> actually, >> and i think actually, you know, dip in and out. know, we can dip in and out. i think my job is slightly different because i do have to be absorbed. morning noon and night. am too. human night. and i am too. human nick's that does nick's comment that it does affect yeah it does. how affect me. yeah but it does. how

can not? how can it not can it not? how can it not affect anybody to be looking all the time? you children are the time? you know, children are being murdered . there's no other being murdered. there's no other word for it. and all the rest of it, you know, and all you can do is to everybody's point. >> one a coroner. >> one could be a coroner. >> one could be a coroner. >> could be doing autopsies. >> one could be doing autopsies. one investigating one could be investigating serious offences for the police. in we ain't down the in the end, we ain't down the pits. yeah. >> there is a lot of good in >> and there is a lot of good in this and to your point, we this world and to your point, we have try and find it. have to try and find it. >> i have often said i would >> and i have often said i would love cover positive stories love to cover a positive stories on program. so if anyone is on this program. so if anyone is aware of great positive things or you're doing stuff or maybe you're doing stuff yourself your own life, you yourself in your own life, you can touch and let know can get in touch and let me know about that because i'd be fascinated in doing too. fascinated in doing that too. john says john is a different john says about water bosses. yes, about the water bosses. yes, they be ultimately they should be ultimately accountable. know accountable. these people know what's on their what's going on in their organisation don't, organisation and if they don't, then failed their then they've failed at their jobs good point. he says jobs anyway. good point. he says they reap the benefits with their high salaries bonuses their high salaries and bonuses and want to take pay, and if you want to take the pay, you to take the you have to take the responsibility and thus you take you have to take the rechonsequences. thus you take you have to take the rechonsequences. ass you take you have to take the rechonsequences. as benj take you have to take the rechonsequences. as ben says, the consequences. as ben says, can it's absolutely can i just say it's absolutely right proper that any right and proper that any

migrants are the migrants that are put on the bibby should indeed be bibby stockholm should indeed be told government told by the government that if they to they will they refuse to board, they will indeed their benefits. indeed lose their benefits. that's divided people. but i have agreeing with have to say i am agreeing with ben. think you said you agreed ben. i think you said you agreed as well. do you agree with that, that if you don't get on the bibby, you're going lose your bibby, you're going to lose your support? >> well, i think a stunt support? >> the.l, i think a stunt support? >> the conservative a stunt support? >> the conservative party, |t support? >> the conservative party, but for the conservative party, but that's conversation. that's another conversation. >> you think it's a stunt >> why do you think it's a stunt for the tories? >> they've just >> well, i think they've just failed. so massively on particularly migration. particularly legal migration. 600,000 this 600,000 people came into this country year terms country last year in terms of net migration. think they're net migration. i think they're focusing illegal migration focusing on illegal migration and rwanda bibby and i think rwanda bibby stockholm, fundamentally and i think rwanda bibby stoihbout], fundamentally and i think rwanda bibby stolabouttrying fundamentally and i think rwanda bibby stolabout trying to fundamentally and i think rwanda bibby stolabout trying to conjureentally are about trying to conjure something to save are about trying to conjure somepoll; to save are about trying to conjure somepoll ratings. to save are about trying to conjure somepoll ratings. i'm to save are about trying to conjure somepoll ratings. i'm sure save their poll ratings. i'm sure some i think some people disagree. i think they view this as a political stunt rather than a long term part a successful immigration part of a successful immigration and policy. and asylum policy. >> says . >> kathleen says. >> kathleen says. >> why are these people not working? should their working? they should lose their benefits, but i don't know whether or not mean the just whether or not you mean the just stop oil people or people stop oil people or the people on. i don't know. >> there's a fine line . >> there's a fine line. >> there's a fine line. >> i don't know. i don't know what's going on with just stop

oil people. >> i one thing i do want to say, though, really hope that that though, i really hope that that just oil doesn't just stop oil driver doesn't lose his because i bet my lose his job because i bet my bottom dollar there'd be a campaign soon to try and make him so. know what he's him do so. you know what he's a hard working guy trying to earn a and support his family, a living and support his family, trying get people trying to do his job, get people from to b, why do just stop from a to b, why do just stop oil? think that they somehow have stop people have the right to stop people going business? going about their business? aaron, i've got time aaron, that's all i've got time for, alex. you thanks. for, alex. you too. thanks. don't guys. thanks don't go anywhere, guys. thanks for nigel farage up

away . away. >> good evening . well, the >> good evening. well, the debate has started. should we take refugees from gaza ? i'll take refugees from gaza? i'll give you a very clear opinion on that in just a moment. on the day that rishi sunak goes to israel, we'll look at the latest crime statistics we're being told by the government, crime is

going down. i find it rather difficult to believe and we'll look at how brexit voters are feeling all these years on. there seems to be some sense of disappointment that the government simply hasn't done more. but before all of that , more. but before all of that, let's get the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. rishi sunak has met crown prince mohammed bin salman in the saudi capital, riyadh. it's his latest stop in a series of diplomatic meetings to prevent the conflict in the middle east from escalating. the saudi state news agency spa posted a video on of the pair shaking hands. posted a video on of the pair shaking hands . well, earlier in shaking hands. well, earlier in jerusalem , the prime minister jerusalem, the prime minister told the israeli counterpart, benjamin netanya , who he benjamin netanya, who he welcomed the decision to allow humanitarian aid into gaza from egypt and said the uk stood in solidarity with israel . and mr solidarity with israel. and mr netanyahu thanked him for

visiting the country, calling it