find it rather going down. i find it rather difficult to believe and we'll look at how brexit voters are feeling all these years on. there seems to be some sense of disappointment that the government simply hasn't done more. but before all of that , more. but before all of that, let's get the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. rishi sunak has met crown prince mohammed bin salman in the saudi capital, riyadh. it's his latest stop in a series of diplomatic meetings to prevent the conflict in the middle east from escalating. the saudi state news agency spa posted a video on of the pair shaking hands. posted a video on of the pair shaking hands . well, earlier in shaking hands. well, earlier in jerusalem , the prime minister jerusalem, the prime minister told the israeli counterpart, benjamin netanya , who he benjamin netanya, who he welcomed the decision to allow humanitarian aid into gaza from egypt and said the uk stood in solidarity with israel . and mr solidarity with israel. and mr netanyahu thanked him for

visiting the country, calling it a strong statement of support. in a time of darkness, rishi sunak stressed israel must adhere to international law in gaza and that the conflict must not spread elsewhere . not spread elsewhere. >> i've had good, productive conversations with both prime minister netanyahu and the israeli president herzog . among israeli president herzog. among other things, we discussed the importance of this conflict not escalating regionally and the importance of getting humanitarian aid into gaza to help people who need it . i also help people who need it. i also had the opportunity to meet families of british nationals who have been taken hostage. we are doing absolutely everything we can to get them home. >> well, families of children and teenagers held captive in the gaza strip have been holding a press conference in tel aviv. israel says more than 200 hostages were taken when hamas attacked on october the 7th. one israeli mother begged hamas to release her kidnapped children. the whole world have to scream and to ask for human humanity. >> and i think and i pray and i

beg him and i ask even hamas at this moment, you have the opportunity to show that you still have humanity . opportunity to show that you still have humanity. i'm asking the whole world and your voice to scream to the . sky, to the to scream to the. sky, to the sky is open . bring to scream to the. sky, to the sky is open. bring our to scream to the. sky, to the sky is open . bring our children home. >> asylum seekers have returned to the bibby stockholm in portland despite activists attempting to prevent it from happening. just stop. oil protesters obstructed a coach carrying migrants holding banners reading no prison ships and demand humanity. all 39 people were removed from the barge in august after legionella bacteria was discovered and more than 400 homes have been asked to evacuate in the scottish town of brecon in preparation for the arrival of storm babet a red weather warning has been issued, meaning there is a risk to life with flooding and with extensive flooding and strong winds stronger than 70

miles an hour forecast . but this miles an hour forecast. but this is gb news live across the uk . is gb news live across the uk. i'll be back with more a little later. but now it's over to . nigel >> good evening. well it was a scottish minister humza yousaf who kicked the debate off yesterday. i mentioned it briefly at the end of the show last night. he is arguing that we take people, maybe a we should take people, maybe a lot of people from gaza. this is what the scottish first minister had to say . they are currently had to say. they are currently a 1 million people display based within gaza . within gaza. >> so therefore i'm calling today on the international community to commit to a worldwide refugee program for the people of gaza . i'm calling the people of gaza. i'm calling on the government to to take urgent steps. firstly they

should immediately begin work on the creation of a refugee resettlement scheme for those in gaza who want to. and of course are able to leave. and when they do so, scotland is willing to be the first country in the uk to offer safety and sanctuary to those who are caught up in these terrible attacks. this . well terrible attacks. this. well there we are. >> scotland is ready, but he's really saying the whole of the uk should be ready. now, let's be clear about one thing. since 2016, we have taken in over half a million people, half a million people as refugees . as we've people as refugees. as we've been told, it's all because of exceptional circumstances in hong kong , in syria, in hong kong, in syria, in afghanistan, and of course , more afghanistan, and of course, more recently in ukraine. the numbers are so high because there exceptional. but hey, here comes yet another exception . and you yet another exception. and you know something, the unhcr say

there are 80 million people around the world who are living in war zones, who potentially could qualify as refugees . i could qualify as refugees. i would make the argument that if you add to that the hordes of young men crossing the english channel young men crossing the english channel, who we have to put up in 400 hotels in private residences and now of course, back on barges in dorset, that we simply can't cope. and in terms of numbers , we should say terms of numbers, we should say enough. terms of numbers, we should say enough . what i find even more enough. what i find even more interesting is the reaction of people who are neighbours to gaza, for example , take what the gaza, for example, take what the egyptian president said yesterday. he said, what is happening now in gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to egypt, which should not be accepted . egypt rejects not be accepted. egypt rejects any attempt to resolve the palestinian issue by military means or through the forced displacement of palestinians from their land, which would come at the expense of other

countries of the reason he went on to say that the egyptian people would go out and protest in their millions if called upon to do so. so egypt will not be taking any refugees from gaza . taking any refugees from gaza. king abdullah ii of jordan said no refugee is in jordan, no , no no refugee is in jordan, no, no refugees in egypt. and let's remind ourselves, shall we? let's remind ourselves that saudi arabia did not take a single refugee from syria because they were worried it would affect their culture and their safety in saudi arabia. these are words that maybe we ought to listen to. and of course, we've had over the course, we've had over the course of the last week, these marches that have taken place in london, in belfast, in birmingham, in in edinburgh, in manchester, marches at which people who live within our communities, but have a

different set of values to those of the more settled population , of the more settled population, have been out in some cases openly celebrating terrorist atrocities . now, i'm going to atrocities. now, i'm going to give you some stats from denmark that are very shocking . in 1992, that are very shocking. in 1992, denmark gave refuge to 321 palestinians by 2019, the government produced results for what had happened to them . 64% what had happened to them. 64% of those that had been given refuge had obtained criminal records . 34% of their children records. 34% of their children had obtained criminal records . had obtained criminal records. and bear in mind, many of the children hadn't yet grown up and the vast majority were living on welfare. that particular influx of refugees is that went in to denmark proved to be a mistake and a complete disaster. and that's before hamas really got

into gear . that's before hamas really got into gear. i'd ask humza yousaf and anyone that thinks we should take large numbers of people from gaza , why on earth should from gaza, why on earth should we risk our national security? frank kelly it doesn't make sense. we've had a record over centuries of helping people in trouble, but i say for now enough's enough. and i say that on the very day that the integration tsar for the government, who is independent of the home office, has said that because of mass integration , we have serious problems with integration in our country . so integration in our country. so should we take people from gaza? my answer is no. love to know what you think. please farage at gbnews.com now. rishi sunak has beenin gbnews.com now. rishi sunak has been in israel today. he is tonight in saudi arabia for what i found fascinating was this clip where he was asked about the attack on the hospital. the number of people that were killed. it was very clear from

american intelligence yesterday that the initial reports that had come from the bbc and others that had put the blame absolutely squarely on israel were wrong . the americans were were wrong. the americans were clear and much of the rest of the world agrees. and yet, when rishi sunak was asked about this , this is what he had to say. >> i said, it's important that we take the time to establish the facts. met with chair the facts. i met with the chair of our joint intelligence committee in the committee and they are in the process looking at all the process of looking at all the evidence, reviewing the facts available. >> so the british prime minister not backing american intelligence, not backing what israel is saying , not backing israel is saying, not backing what so many in the media and around the international community are saying and looking, frankly in that clip, like a frightened rabbit. why? well, i would put it to you that what the prime minister does not want to do is to provoke even more unrest and protest on the streets of our country because we have so many people who will completely blind only take the

palestinian side and in most cases many cases refuse to condemn the atrocities of the 7th of october that folks , is 7th of october that folks, is the country we're living in. none of you ever voted for it. it was done to it, done to us by successive labour and conservative governments . let's conservative governments. let's go to tel aviv and join our gb news reporter there, charlie peters. charlie, what did rishi sunak achieve on his day in israel ? israel? >> mostly congratulation and solidarity. he thanked prime minister netanyahu for opening that humanitarian aid access from egypt into to gaza. so far, though, no trucks have crossed. we've heard that there are dozens gathering on the egyptian side waiting for entry, but that has been a key goal of american and british diplomacy. and he also told the israelis, we want you to win. and this afternoon we've heard from the defence minister, yoav galant, who said to troops gathering in the south that convoy on the border with

the gaza strip , he said that you the gaza strip, he said that you can see gaza from afar, but soon you will see it from the inside. the order will come. there is no going back from that kind of messaging. is the feeling in israel tonight that an invasion is now highly likely after those statements matched by a general in the south who also said that future manoeuvres in gaza were coming. and so rishi sunak delivering his message was one really of solidarity and reference to humanitarian aid because britain will not have a military role here in supporting and supplying the israelis in that likely ground invasion . in that likely ground invasion. in that likely ground invasion. in that role is more for washing tonne, but there is also concern in israel about what the end state will be is israel planning for what will happen after that invasion takes place and it completes its original mission, its primary objective to destroy hamas's military capabilities . hamas's military capabilities. the feeling here, and indeed in the us, is that they haven't considered what comes next. >> yeah, and as we've learned

ourselves, of course, from iraq and afghanistan , dan, if you and afghanistan, dan, if you haven't got an exit strategy thatis haven't got an exit strategy that is a very, very major strategic military problem and charlie, tell us what is the situation in the north on the border with lebanon is that continue to deteriorate . continue to deteriorate. >> there is a relative lull in activity this morning, but come early evening , there had been 30 early evening, there had been 30 missiles launched from southern lebanon into northern israel, suddenly very quick change into a high activity situation. some 11 missiles being claimed by hamas there, many of them landing success fully in northern israel, injuring and wounding people in those towns there. beyond the military evacuation zone, the iron dome missile air defence system failed to intercept all of those missiles reaching in. and there are also growing concerns about the rage in ramallah in the west bank, where dozens were arrested overnight on suspicion of being unked overnight on suspicion of being linked to hamas in protest. there are in beirut, in baghdad , there are in beirut, in baghdad, in cairo. and today, prime

minister el—sisi urged the population in egypt to protest tomorrow . so it's highly likely tomorrow. so it's highly likely that we'll see further protests and rage outside american , and rage outside american, israeli and indeed british embassies across the arab region. but i think the most concerning development for the security of the region today is those reported missile and suicide drone attacks on american troops in syria and iraq. almost certainly conducted by terror groups aligned to the iranians, who of course, have been posturing, very aggressive since this war started. if american soldiers get killed in this region during this war, it will be a major escalation. >> it certainly would. charlie peters from tel aviv, thank you very much indeed. i'm going now to houston in texas to be joined by kelsey norman, fellow for the middle east at rice university's baker institute and director of the women's rights, human rights and refugees program . good and refugees program. good evening. thank you forjoining evening. thank you for joining us from texas . i read out us from texas. i read out earlier, i don't know whether you heard it, statements from the egyptian president ,

the egyptian president, statements from the king of jordan and both of those countries are making. and just as we had back at the time of syria, they're both making it clear that they simply won't accept out refugees. what do you think their key motivation is? >> well, just to be clear, both egypt and jordan did accept large numbers of syrian refugees. but you're correct that they are in objection to receiving palestinians from gaza and part of the largest objection that wasn't really displayed in that quote from president el—sisi is the objection to being complicit in forcing palestinians to leave their territory with no guaranteed right of returning to it after this war is over. >> yeah , though he did make that >> yeah, though he did make that point. you're right. and all i was saying was that it was saudi arabia that didn't take refugees from syria. but what do you think, kelsey? i mean, do think, kelsey? i mean, what do you think west ought to do? you think the west ought to do?

because as you know, the calls in this country now are that we should allow people to come from gaza and we've allowed people from, you know, ukraine, afghanistan , iran, syria, hong afghanistan, iran, syria, hong kong. afghanistan, iran, syria, hong kong . and do you think that kong. and do you think that america and the west now has a moral duty to take refugees from gaza ? gaza? >>i gaza? >> i think both the uk and the us do have moral duties to receive refugees from all over the world. i think the practical cities of individuals coming from gaza are extremely limited and i think right now the bigger question is whether egypt can be pressured to accept any palestinians at the present as you said, it's saying no negotiation are ongoing and have been since the weekend. but the reality of palestinians coming to either the uk or the us is very difficult. palestinians have a particular legal status internationally that's different from other refugee groups and they might not also want to leave the proximity to palestine because there is this continued

hope that they will be able to return. >> now that's a fair point. and no one's really asked people whether they want to leave. when you though, that have you say, though, that we have a moral you know, moral obligation, you know, i mean, my country, we've been taking refugees for centuries. i mean, we've got a very, very proud record on this. but there does come a point and, you know, we've taken half a million refugees over the course of the last 6 or 7 years. what do you say we have a moral obligation? surely there has to be some upper limit in terms of number somewhere. >> well, i saw this year, according to the most recent statistics from the uk, that the uk is taking about 50,000 refugees. it's taken another 150,000 individuals with temporary humanitarian status, and that is mostly ukrainians, right? so if we're talking about 50,000 individuals compared to a country like turkey, for example, that hosts 4 million refugees, jordan that hosts in the millions, lebanon as well. a fourth of its population is refugees . i think the uk fourth of its population is refugees. i think the uk and fourth of its population is refugees . i think the uk and the refugees. i think the uk and the us as wealthy countries can do more to accept refugees that are

going through, you know, extremely secure vetting process to ensure that they're not posing any risk to know quite. >> and there is the point about democratic consent. but look , democratic consent. but look, kelsey, i take the point you're making and you make it with great passion and great knowledge. and i thank you very much for much indeed. thank you for joining care. well, i'm joining me. take care. well, i'm joined now by lieutenant colonel stuart crawford, defence analyst, lieutenant analyst, former lieutenant colonel royal tank colonel in the fourth royal tank regiment snp defence regiment and former snp defence spokesman, which is perfect because it is the first minister in scotland , humza yousaf, who's in scotland, humza yousaf, who's kicked off this debate . and he kicked off this debate. and he begins by saying , look, what's begins by saying, look, what's the problem? you know, we're very, very happy to accept people into scotland. well, maybe he's speaking for the snp activist base, but is he really speaking for the scottish people, in your view? well that's a very good question, actually. >> and i think that we have to be aware that humza yousaf has skin in the game here. his parents in law are stuck in gaza

at the moment and nor would we wouldn't wish that on anybody. and of course, he is a muslim. so i think he's a he has got that angle to what he's saying. i'm also conscious of the fact that the scots have forever been saying that the highlands need to be repopulated and perhaps that's what he's thinking of. but with humour aside, it was, hang on, if you repopulate the highlands with people from a completely different culture, different language to begin with, at least different religion, is that really going to work? well, not in the short term, no. no. and i just i just i made that suggestion tongue in cheek. i know you did. but it was alex salmond who you know well, who was forever saying scotland isn't up yet. come scotland isn't full up yet. come and join i think that and join us. and i think that humza yousaf has inherited that via his predecessor , nicola. and via his predecessor, nicola. and it's a continuing a theme within the snp , the scottish people. the snp, the scottish people. we've got a quite big for a very

small population of 5.5 million inches scotland. we've got big ethnic communities up there which have integrated extremely well. one can think of east asians and those from from the indian subcontinent, a very big jewish community. so i don't think that there are any intrinsic biases in the scottish population against this sort of thing. but as your correspondent from your country , from america from your country, from america said, nobody has asked the gazan palestinians where they want to go. >> no, no. at that point is a very important point. but it is interesting because when you look at the social attitudes survey, you find that actually scottish opinion across all ages classes and voting predispositions. you find actually that scottish attitudes towards uncontrolled, large scale immigration very similar to england . you know, there is to england. you know, there is no evidence , despite what's been no evidence, despite what's been said by some snp leaders, there's no evidence that scotland wants to see a huge wave of migration. >> you no, and i think there's

what i call the scottish exceptionalism . if we can or our exceptionalism. if we can or our politicians can come up with a policy or attitude which is different to that of the rest of the uk , then that's a good thing. >> wilfully, you'll do it wilfully? >> yes. wilfully are different. but no , the attitude. i'm quite but no, the attitude. i'm quite happy that the attitudes across scotland will be more or less the same as they are in the rest of england. but there is a political angle there which you're well aware of, that people trying to manipulate. people are trying to manipulate. >> that . you know, >> briefly on that. you know, you've been a prominent spokesperson for the snp , as spokesperson for the snp, as with all things in life, when things go up, they inevitably at some point come down. that's the way the world works. you know, we've been through the salmon problems. we've been through , problems. we've been through, and we're still going through huge problems with nicola sturgeon . labour are going to sturgeon. labour are going to win back a lot of seats in scotland, aren't they? yes that seems to be the current consensus amongst those who talk

about such things. >> and i can't even mention the word. it begins with p and it wherever it is. yes it looks like the number of snp seats at westminster, which now stands at 43, could be halved at next years 43, could be halved at next year's general election or early 2025. general election. whether that will read over into the scottish parliament elections in 2020 might be a different thing, might be a different thing because people vote for different things. yeah, they do. >> scottish >> they do. but scottish separation is off the cards for now. >> oh, i mean, you know, ten, 15 years ago i was telling people that scotland would be independent now i don't independent by 2020. now i don't know scotland be know if scotland will be independent 2050, if at all. independent by 2050, if at all. good lord. >> honesty and realism from somebody sitting in the studio who's been snp spokesman. who's been an snp spokesman. stuart fantastic . lovely to see stuart fantastic. lovely to see you. pleasure. and see you. my pleasure. come and see us in moment, we us again soon. in a moment, we go to raf scampton, the go back to raf scampton, the dambusters base, where we might just just have a piece of good news. hang on. we'll tell you all in two minutes.

can see that they represent pure evil. and it's right that israel exercises its right to self—defence . this show has been self—defence. this show has been doing its absolute best to save raf scampton from becoming a migrant base . migrant base. >> we think the great dambusters story , the history of 607 story, the history of 607 squadron and indeed what bomber command did from that county of lincolnshire is something that should be preserved and remembered. but it's not been looking good. but will hollis gb news is east midlands. reporter might have tonight for us live a little bit of good news. well what have you got ? what have you got? >> yes well in recent weeks, the voice of concern from west lindsey district council at the pace and the scale of progress here made by the home office to turn raf scampton into an asylum centre for up to 20,000 miles. prints has been growing so much

louder and that's what has fuelled a push towards listed status for at least one of the buildings here at the former raf base that building is the officer's mess , which was of officer's mess, which was of course the place where guy gibson, the wing commander of 607 squadron, would have spent his r&r, his downtime when he wasn't conducting bombing raids over germany with the rest of the raf during the second world war. and essentially what listed status is it's the top heritage body, historic england , saying body, historic england, saying that something has as architectural significance to british ident city and has a historical importance which needs protecting. and that is what historic england have now granted for the officers mess. they've given it a grade two listing, which is the second of three stands ids just to let you know how important that is, it's the same listing that

westminster palace has. it's the same protections that wannick castle has in the west midlands. and the reason that west lindsey district council has done that is because of the rate of work that's been going on here that the home office has been taking. nigel well, thank you for that. >> that is a piece of good news. thank you. a shame that so many of the artefacts, including many of the artefacts, including many of guy gibson's personal effects, have been removed from there and taken to hendon, which is great because it's a wonderful raf museum, but they're being stored they're currently being stored in , but that at least in boxes, but that is at least a bit of progress now. we got out the crime stats today. gun and knife crime has increased as well as robberies and shoplifting. they shoplifting. some crimes they were down significantly, but perhaps the real kicker here is fewer than 6% of crimes led to a suspect being charged. well, i'm joined by danny shaw, crime and policing commentator, former, of course, former bbc home affairs correspondent . danny, help us correspondent. danny, help us make sense of all of these numbers now, these figures go up to the end of june 20th, 22,

2023, 2023. sorry 2022 to 2023. and they show overall some quite big decreases in crime there, suggesting that criminal damage has fallen significantly. that fraud is down and they're saying overall that crime is down. can we really believe that? >> there's two sets of figures . >> there's two sets of figures. >> there's two sets of figures. >> that's where the confusion comes. >> i'm confused. >> i'm confused. >> it always happens every three months when the figures come out, there's two sets of figures. there's a survey, a big survey of 35,000 people in households across england and wales and that asks people, have you been a victim of crime in the last 12 months? it doesn't include business crime. it doesn't include offences. doesn't include sexual offences. and obviously, you can't ask people if they've been murdered. so it doesn't include murder for obvious reasons . but what it is obvious reasons. but what it is very consistent over time. and what that shows is the long term trend since the mid 90s is downwards overall and it carried on last year with that drop of around about 10. then you have

the police figures . so these the police figures. so these include crimes that are only reported to the police , which is reported to the police, which is what i'm looking at here. that shows overall crimes reported to police up knife crime, up, up, gun crime up. car crime up. shop lifting, which there's huge concern about. up 25. remember these are crimes that are reported to and recorded by police. so up there, down on the survey , obviously people are survey, obviously people are confused . i think i think what confused. i think i think what you can take from it is that the country isn't awash with crime . country isn't awash with crime. um, the figures don't show that , um, the figures don't show that, but there are particular types of crime which are causing real concern , like knife crime still concern, like knife crime still at very high levels and shoplifting where there's been a spike, certainly in london. >> i mean, the perception of most people is they feel far less safe today than they felt five years ago. ten years ago. yeah >> and it's the feeling of safety that's really important. so we can bandy around the figures and can say, oh, it's

figures and we can say, oh, it's gone down or it's gone up according to what argument you're trying make. it's according to what argument you'isafe'ing make. it's according to what argument you'isafe people nake. it's according to what argument you'isafe people feel. it's according to what argument you'isafe people feel. they t's according to what argument you'isafe people feel. they see how safe people feel. they see the headlines in some areas the headlines and in some areas in particular, knife crime is a real problem. and the types of weapons using weapons that people using are, you know , huge zombie knives and you know, huge zombie knives and swords and so on. and that stokes fear and concern and alarm , understandably. yeah, alarm, understandably. yeah, absolutely understandable. and the other point, which you alluded to in the figures is that so many people are getting away with it because the charge rate, proportion of all i rate, so the proportion of all i mean, 6, 6, you know , seems to mean, 6, 6, you know, seems to mean, 6, 6, you know, seems to me . that 6% lead to a suspect, me. that 6% lead to a suspect, even being charged. >> yeah . let alone convicted. >> yeah. let alone convicted. convicted yeah. i mean, this is an appallingly low figure. >> yeah, it is. if you go back to 2014, 2015, it was around 15, which you might say was still pretty low. yeah, but this is it's plunge and plunge and plunge. in fact, in the last few months, it's slightly gone up, you very, very slightly . you know, very, very slightly. what's the reason? >> sure. >> sure.

>> the reason i think is >> so the reason i think is firstly because had cuts in firstly because you had cuts in police officer numbers, which really had had an impact in those years . there was those years. there was a shortage detectives , the mix shortage of detectives, the mix of cases that are coming into the police has changed. so they are getting so many more sexual offences to investigate . they offences to investigate. they are complicated crimes, to investigate late. they often don't result in a charge , let don't result in a charge, let alone a conviction that has changed enormously. so the mix of crimes they're looking at, plus there's more complexity in a lot of crimes. you've got digital that have be digital devices that have to be gone on. i don't gone through and so on. i don't think got to the bottom of think we've got to the bottom of exactly why those prosecution rates fallen through the rates have fallen through the floor. clearly it undermines floor. but clearly it undermines confidence you can see confidence because you can see criminals getting away with it now and i think with a lot of what we call petty crime, what we might call petty crime, i think a of people now just i think a lot of people now just don't bother to report it. don't even bother to report it. >> they well, the police >> they say, well, the police won't bother it might won't bother to come. it might affect insurance premium. affect my insurance premium. impossible that, to impossible to measure that, to gauge the survey gauge that, even the survey perhaps what perhaps can't find that. what i've here prisons. i've i've got you here prisons. i've got talk about prisons 88,000

got to talk about prisons 88,000 were completely full be fair were completely full to be fair to the government. know, to the government. you know, they've numbers by they've increased the numbers by about the about 10,000 places over the last four, 3 or 4 years. we get this extraordinary statement a couple of weeks ago that people are convicted of rape, won't go straight to prison. they'll have to couple of weeks until to wait a couple of weeks until we find a place. i we can find them a place. i mean, what is going on? do we have to build more prisons? >> it's a complete mess. it's a grotesque failure of planning by the justice. that's the ministry of justice. that's that's seen the that's my view. they've seen the forecasts population is forecasts that the population is going to go up and up and up, and they haven't planned for that. they've ratcheted up sentences crimes and sentences for violent crimes and many of us would agree with that. got to plan and that. but you've got to plan and put places well. put the places there as well. they actually created they haven't actually created 10,000 more places. the net increase is only about 300 because they've closed a lot of pnsons because they've closed a lot of prisons and a lot of places. and they have they've built a few new ones have opened. they have got more coming on stream. but it takes ages to get the planning permission to get the buildings. so there's not been as big an increase in prison places as is being claimed by

the no, there the government. no, no, there hasn't. net increase only hasn't. the net increase is only is few hundred and that's is only a few hundred and that's why problem in. why they've got the problem in. and what they're doing now, and so what they're doing now, you this you heard this week this emergency statement from alex chalk, secretary, chalk, the justice secretary, and early release scheme is coming. prisoners or low coming. so prisoners or low level offenders will be released a weeks various other a few weeks early. various other measures using police cells and so on. so on. >> so on. >> that's already happening, said that for low grade crime, pnson said that for low grade crime, prison was a bad idea because it turned people into hardened criminals. i mean, here we have a conservative minister arguing that work . that prison doesn't work. >> a necessity because they >> it's a necessity because they run out of space. that's the only option. they've pushed it, pushed it, it. and pushed it, pushed it. and finally , the only thing they can finally, the only thing they can do is an early release scheme. and he's also taking the opportunity to try and prevent the courts from sending people to prison for up to 12 months because the reoffending rates are so high. he's looking for alternatives, but but needs alternatives, but but that needs legislation that won't come on stream for another couple of years if it ever does. >> there way out of this. >> there is one way out of this. there are 10,500 foreign

prisoners in british prisons. >> well, other thing. >> well, that's the other thing. he do, is to make he wants to do, is to make agreements with overseas countries they can serve countries so that they can serve their abroad. think their sentences abroad. i think an agreement was an agreement with albania was signed today or yesterday, but we have heard repeatedly over the past decade we're going to sign agreements. we've got prisoners transfers, deals. but the numbers still is there. it's still 10,500, as you say. it's very difficult to get those agreements in place. there are all sorts of obstacles . so i'm all sorts of obstacles. so i'm not sure whether they're going to make a real dent in the population that that population that way. that is sure. >> f e for certain, sure. >> for certain, you're >> one thing for certain, you're going be kept for many, going to be kept busy for many, many years to come. thank you. in a moment, talk about in a moment, we'll talk about a study that brexiteers, study showing that brexiteers, seven whether voted seven years on whether you voted for it or against it, but a lot of a bit disappointed of us are a bit disappointed covid in what the government has delivered. i'll also talk about the covid inquiry where the experts told the government not to use fear too much with the pubuc to use fear too much with the public yet. matt hancock and others did . and you begin to others did. and you begin to wonder, will anybody ever

actually be held to account

to gb news radio. uk and a changing europe have been conducting a series of focus groups up and down the country to find out how brexiteers and remainers feel. >> all these years on. well, anand menon is part of that organisation and he's going to give us the findings and i've read the report and, and there's clearly some disenchantment with brexit with the way in which it's been delivered. and i was particularly struck by that of brexiteers themselves, sort of 70% thought that the economic benefits that we might have harnessed from it haven't happened because of the government . so it's sort of government. so it's sort of feels like we're all a bit disappointed somehow . disappointed somehow. >> yeah. i mean you need to distinguish between disillusionment with brexit, which i'm not sure is necessarily that apparent and

disillusionment with the way brexit has been done, which i think we see very, very clearly. so i think only 18% of leave voters now say that they're happy with the way brexit has gone. a lot of leave voters think that brexit has been damaging to the economy, but mostly voters think there was a way it could have been made to work. and they blame government for not making it. >> yeah, no, absolutely. and i've to tell you, i am i've got to tell you, i am firmly i am firmly myself in that camp and i've been feeling that camp and i've been feeling that way for a very, very long time. what about the immigration factor here? i mean , you know, factor here? i mean, you know, it was quite an important factor in getting the turnout up that we that we basically wanted, not just control of our borders, but a genuine feeling that fewer people should be coming in to the country. how much disappointment is there on that? >> i mean , there is >> i mean, there is disappointment, but i think, again, we've got to put it into context because what's interesting about the leave vote, as spoke to, is that, vote, as we spoke to, is that, yes, they think that the

outcomes on immigration are they want to have happen, but actually they're main concern when it came to voting for brexit, the main thing they wanted was control laws . wanted was control over laws. and with they're relatively and with that they're relatively happy. though there are some indications . we've got a report indications. we've got a report out today about the fact that the government is the british government is refusing to deviate from refusing to deviate too far from eu regulation. so we'll see what the voters think about that. but immigration, i think, is important, but not the most important, but not the most important factor for many leave voters. yeah, as you say, they're pleased we're back in charge . charge. >> they're just not very pleased with the way we're with the way in which we're using authority that using the new authority that we've got. i wonder also, alan, whether this disenchant moment people feel about brexit is actually a reflection of a broader disenchantment. people are feeling with politics as a whole . whole. >> i think people are disenchanted with politics. i mean, if you look at the polling on people's faith or trust in

politics, i think trust in politics, i think trust in politics has hit an all time low recently. and there's certainly not a lot of faith in the current government and the current government and the current government's ability to manage i think that's manage things. so i think that's certainly true that a lot of the sort of disappointment that brexit does feel is directed at politics and at politicians in general. >> yeah. and final thought on this. i mean , ever since that this. i mean, ever since that surprise referendum result, certainly a surprise to the established moment and the years of parliamentary trench warfare . of parliamentary trench warfare. and then in the end , you know, and then in the end, you know, prime minister after prime minister goes and in the end, we actually leave three and a half years on. but it seems that in effect, what sir keir starmer has done is to say, look, we want to close the relationship with the eu and some can speculate what that means about it. aligning with single market rules , but that basically the rules, but that basically the question of membership is now , question of membership is now, now not part of our political

national debate . national debate. >> no, no, no one's talking about it . and >> no, no, no one's talking about it. and in fact, one of the most striking findings of the most striking findings of the survey and focus groups was that voters don't want to be talking about brexit anymore. so i'll just one final thing i'll just say one final thing you keir starmer actually, you say, keir starmer actually, one striking things from one of the striking things from our out today is our report that's out today is the finding that essentially there's not that difference there's not that much difference between rishi between keir starmer and rishi sunak in that neither seem to want diverge from eu want to diverge from eu regulations in the way that some brexiteers thought should the brexiteers thought should be the obvious outcome of brexit. so there's a degree of similarity between two parties on this . between the two parties on this. >> absolutely. and i mean, as even >> absolutely. and i mean, as ever, you for joining >> absolutely. and i mean, as ever, you forjoining us. ever, thank you for joining us. thank you show. and thank you on the show. and i have to say, i thought that last comment and may was absolutely right. there a great deal right. there is not a great deal of difference between sir keir starmer rishi sunak on starmer and rishi sunak on europe frankly , on virtually europe or frankly, on virtually anything else. now, the what the farage moment i've mentioned before, the covid inquiry is going on day after day and we saw some testimony from professor james saw some testimony from professorjames rubin. he told

professor james rubin. he told the inquiry that the government was warned that frightening the pubuc was warned that frightening the public would not work and should not be done. and yet we had people like the great matt hancock, of course, health secretary at the time , and this secretary at the time, and this was revealed in those messages that were given to the daily telegraph earlier this year when he said to his people, quote, we should frighten the pants off everyone with the new strain . it everyone with the new strain. it was also matt hancock that said, you've got to get the jab because you don't want to kill your gran. and when you look at what hancock and others did using fear , using huge amounts using fear, using huge amounts of public money to mount campaigns intending to frighten us into staying into our houses and getting jabbed repeatedly, you realise these guys who promised to begin that they were acting within the science, with the science shapps never did anything of the kind. they were completely and utterly out of

control all and the way in which they handled lockdown is, i think the biggest single peacetime mistake any british government has made in modern times. sending our borrowing through the roof, giving us huge long term serious health impacts , much worse impacts than we ever would have had ever would have had from the virus itself. and yet i feel nobody , but and yet i feel nobody, but nobody will ever be held to account. and a final what the farage thought. rishi sunak is now set to ban gay , gay and now set to ban gay, gay and trans conversion therapy and basic the king's speech will ban any attempts to change someone's sexuality or gender identity in england and wales. indeed, to make it a criminal offence and that despite the fact he'd given completely the opposite impression up until now . in impression up until now. in a moment, i'm joined by professor matt goodwin, who really knocked the socks off the bbc earlier on this week. but matt's anger on

that programme, i think reflects the way he feels about what's happened to modern britain. he joins me in just a moment.

now there was a really good piece of bbc telly earlier this week. yes, i did say that. matt goodwin , pollster and professor goodwin, pollster and professor of politics at the university of kent, was on the lunchtime politics show on the bbc. here's a little clip of what he had to say . say. >> i can't remember a time in my life when i felt more ashamed by our national debate and our country as i have over the last week . i've tried to country as i have over the last week. i've tried to imagine country as i have over the last week . i've tried to imagine how week. i've tried to imagine how i would feel if i was a british jew. we have a national broadcaster after the bbc unable to call a inspired and isis inspired terrorist group

terrorists, we have the same broadcaster investigating bbc arabic journalists for express sympathy for hamas . we have the sympathy for hamas. we have the institutions of our national community like wembley stadium, showing the rainbow flag to protest against qatar. but not showing the colours of israel and solidarity. and we have the universities where i work. a few years ago fell over themselves to express solidarity with george floyd and what happened centuries ago in america, but are unable to issue the same condemnation of what's happened in israel. not to mention the fact we've now got schools telling jewish children in britain in 2023 not to show symbols of their faith. and we've got fireworks and celebrations going on on edgware road, and got idiots like road, and we've got idiots like that guy. excuse easing the glorification of terrorism . glorification of terrorism. well, hang joe. i was at the well, hang on, joe. i was at the protest. was protest. protest. i was at the protest. and one thing didn't and there's one thing he didn't mention, the groups mention, which were the groups of running around physically of men running around physically attacking people, showing that israel flag there was glorification of terrorism at

that protest . those people that protest. those people should be treated the same way as supporters of isis. and that is why we're discussing it. >> but there is. >> but there is. >> well , matt goodwin joins me >> well, matt goodwin joins me now. well, matt, you know, you gave it what for there? i have to say, i agree with every word. and what was the reaction? >> ovennhelming. i've been flooded with emails , text flooded with emails, text messages , particularly from messages, particularly from members of britain's jewish communities who , to be frank, communities who, to be frank, nigel, i think , feel that many nigel, i think, feel that many more people in our national life should be saying what i said on the bbc. i think they feel understandably scared, anxious. i think they're wondering what has happened to our national broadcaster. i think they're wondering where the leadership has gone in this country, not, no, absolutely refusing to call what happened on the 7th of october a terrorist act by hamas. >> they call them terrorists. >> they call them terrorists. >> if you look at the polling that we've had just this week, 66% of all brits say hamas is a terrorist organisation. only 6% say it isn't. so too many people

who have been watching the bbc the in which, for example, the way in which, for example, they regurgitate hated they quickly regurgitate hated they quickly regurgitate hated the hamas line the hospital the hamas line on the hospital bombing without bothering to verify know, is verify it. you know, this is this doesn't like an this doesn't look like an organisation that's shooting things straight . and i do worry things straight. and i do worry because when you look at what we've seen on the streets of britain over the last couple of weeks, i'm i'm in north london, i the fireworks going off i heard the fireworks going off around road. seen around edgware road. i've seen the celebrations with my own eyes. you know, as i said on that show, imagine if you're a british jew, london would not feel like a particular welcoming place . place. >> right? charlie peters in tel aviv earlier this week saying there were british people in tel aviv they felt safer in aviv saying they felt safer in tel aviv. yeah. than they felt in yeah in north london. yeah >> so i what members of >> so i think what members of the are the jewish communities are really see is more really wanting to see is more leadership. think they're really wanting to see is more leadershto think they're really wanting to see is more leadershto seeiink they're really wanting to see is more leadershto see us they're really wanting to see is more leadershto see us have're really wanting to see is more leadershto see us have as really wanting to see is more leadershto see us have a frank wanting to see us have a frank and open conversation about just how widespread this sympathy how widespread is this sympathy for islamist terrorism for hamas and islamist terrorism in country . i've just been in the country. i've just been looking at some polling today which suggests 15% of all londoners do not view hamas as a

terrorist group. now, that is quite striking, nigel. 1 in 8 of all people in london say hamas is not a terrorist organisation . is not a terrorist organisation. i find that quite disturbing. so i'm worried actually about where we're headed. i'm deeply concerned about where we're headed as a country. >> we well, and this on the day when the government's tsar for integration has said there is now a permissive environment in this country where people can openly be really pretty vile towards the jewish community. but, i mean , is this and he made but, i mean, is this and he made the point is this and i believe that it the point is this and i believe thatitis the point is this and i believe that it is mass immigration from labour and conservative governments without a thought . governments without a thought. you know, all diversity is good, but without a thought for integration. >> well, our experiment with mass immigration is clearly failing . and these are that you failing. and these are that you just mentioned is not the first person to point this out. we had the casey review in 2016, which was explicit in saying was quite explicit in saying there are areas in britain where groups are not following british

law and also where you could have children essentially spending much of their day not really being aware that they're living in britain because those areas are so segregated . we areas are so segregated. we don't even talk about integration anymore. have you noficed integration anymore. have you noticed that after the disturbances leicester and disturbances in leicester and elsewhere we're longer even elsewhere, we're no longer even talking things talking about things like community almost community cohesion? it's almost as if that policy area has just sort of evaporated. so i do think we need to think much more seriously about this issue. and i think at the heart of it, it is about immigration, ian. it is about and scale at about the speed and scale at which we've transformed this country while integrating country while not integrating people arriving. people who are arriving. >> we're it now at >> and we're doing it now at higher , looking at the higher rates, looking at the last year or so than we've ever doneit last year or so than we've ever done it before. >> well, that's right. net migration is now over 600,000. the small boats issue is yet to be the people be resolved. most of the people coming afghanistan and coming over afghanistan and somalia, etcetera, i don't think this going to help us address this is going to help us address this is going to help us address this problem. look, but from the perspective of britain's jewish communities , which i just want communities, which i just want to to, they are up to go back to, they are fed up and they are sick and tired of

feeling as though they are treated as second class citizens in britain in. and i would urge everybody out there to do as much as they can to speak up on behalf of those communities and give them a sense of solidarity that's missing in our national broadcaster of our politics. >> well, you certainly did on the bbc earlier this week. and to here matt goodwin. you to here matt goodwin. thank you very a bleak very much. jacob quite a bleak stuff , isn't it? really? stuff, isn't it? really? >> it is . and it's the numbers. >> it is. and it's the numbers. i think integration is very important . i think integration is very important. but but you will integrate a reasonable number. you can't integrate 600,000. and we've got to get control of illegal and more importantly, legal migration because it's the bigger part of it. >> oh, i so wish that the colleagues who were in the same political party as you are now running this country agreed with that. >> well, suella is on the right side while obe while i'm pretty pretty, pretty was brilliant , pretty, pretty was brilliant, right . right. >> let's have a look. just how bad is the weather going to be this weekend? >> hello . very good evening. i'm

>> hello. very good evening. i'm alex burke and here's your latest gb news weather update . latest gb news weather update. storm babet is going to bring a lot of rain and some very windy weather across many parts, particularly the northeast through the next 24 hours. we are sandwiched between a blocking high towards the north—east of us and low pressure towards south—west. north—east of us and low pres because ards south—west. north—east of us and low pres because of s south—west. north—east of us and low pres because of that south—west. north—east of us and low pres because of that high,1—west. north—east of us and low pres because of that high, this 5st. but because of that high, this frontal system in the north isn't going anywhere particularly fast . that's why particularly fast. that's why the totals are going to the rainfall totals are going to continue to build up across east and scotland in particular as we go through the next day or so. very high rainfall totals could be of 200mm. for some be in excess of 200mm. for some parts. to be a mild parts. it is going to be a mild night with of wet and windy night with lots of wet and windy weather around temperatures not dropping gusts of wind dropping much and gusts of wind coming in from the east of around 60 to 70mph for some east and coastal parts. around 60 to 70mph for some east and coastal parts . friday then and coastal parts. friday then is going to be wet picture for is going to be a wet picture for many of us. heavy rain across northern ireland into northern england and continuing england and rain continuing across parts of across eastern parts of scotland, why some scotland, which is why some severe is quite severe disruption is quite likely the southwest , likely towards the southwest, though a dry picture with a scattering of showers. and here

temperatures degrees temperatures are a few degrees above average the time of above average for the time of yean above average for the time of year. elsewhere, feeling cooler with wind and the rain. it with the wind and the rain. it is going be another wet day is going to be another wet day for north eastern for many eastern north eastern areas saturday. the rain not areas on saturday. the rain not quite as heavy as we go quite as heavy as as we go through but likely to through friday, but likely to cause some further issues because heavy that because of the heavy rain that it's coming the back of. it's coming on the back of. othennise, drier picture othennise, it's a drier picture for of england and for many parts of england and wales scattering of wales with a scattering of showers. looks like showers. sunday looks like a quieter day with more showers possible by next week

>> hello . good evening. it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight as the prime minister visits israel in a show of solidarity, the israeli president has blasted the bbc for its refusal to call the genocidal islamists of hamas what they are terrorists. the prime minister the leader of the opposition, the us president, and especially our apolitical king, knows what they are. so

why doesn't the licence fee funded public broadcaster get with the programme? and speaking of terrorism, the bbc was more than happy to report the killings in brussels this week as an act of terror. so why is killing two people in belgium an act of terror but not killing 1300 people in israel ? and as it 1300 people in israel? and as it emerges, the suspect entered europe via small boats in the mediterranean. it once again goes to show the importance of borders as domestic issues. the prime minister is reportedly set to ban gay and trans conversion therapy , but with the sinister therapy, but with the sinister components associated with conversion therapy already illegal, could this be the law used to silence sceptics of gender ideology as well as therapists trying to help those suffering with gender dysphoria to wage growth is surpassing inflation at 8.5, which means the triple lock could be forcing the triple lock could be forcing the treasury to fork out billions as pensions could increase by £900 next april . but increase by £900 next april. but downing street has hinted at a shift that could save £900 million. how will this go down

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