the state's job to provide us with a home. one of my panel tonight says yes and the other says no. what says you also in a uk first hold my home town will be the first council to give people the right to grow their own food on neglected council land. i'm talking about places like grass verges , etcetera. like grass verges, etcetera. what do you think? is that the future? would you be up for it or not? we've got it all to come and more. but before we get into that, let's cross to get the latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories, the prime minister has praised egypt for its efforts in trying to deliver aid to civilians in gaza after meeting the country's president ,

civilians in gaza after meeting the country's president, rishi sunak said palestinians are also victims of hamas and expressed his condolences for the loss of lives. he also stressed the importance of opening a safe corridor to gaza . corridor to gaza. >> a thing we have prioritised consists is getting the rafah crossing opening . it's been a crossing opening. it's been a feature of all my conversations and i'm very pleased that that will now imminently happen. we announced an increase in our funding for humanitarian aid into the region and when i met with president sisi earlier today , he and i had a good today, he and i had a good discussion about how the uk can provide practical assistance , provide practical assistance, boots on the ground to ensure the sustainability that aid the sustainability of that aid through crossing the through the crossing to the people who it . people who need it. >> israel military sources have given more information about the estimated 200 hostages taken by hamas. they say 30 are teenagers and young children and 20 are over the age of 60. the majority are still alive. meanwhile israeli troops are mobilising along the border of the gaza strip ahead of a possible ground

invasion . ian. back here, sir invasion. ian. back here, sir keir starmer says former tory voters have put their trust and their confidence in the labour party. that's after they overturned conservative majorities to win two by elections. video were about to show contains some flash photography now in tamworth. sarah edwards overturned a conservative majority of more than 19,000. meanwhile alastair straffen took mid beds ayrshire with a 20.5% swing. that's the largest labour by—election win since 1945. he says he's delighted people voted for change and we have been really humbled by how seriously people have taken this election, this opportunity to do something different, this chance to make sure we finally have an mp in parliament who's going to be on our side and think it's fair our side and i think it's fair to that after today, no one to say that after today, no one is going to be taking us for granted here bedfordshire granted here in bedfordshire ever party ever again. conservative party chairman less chairman greg hands is less impressed . he says labour's wins impressed. he says labour's wins are not that significant. labour

hardly improved their vote at all and in fact went down in mid bedfordshire slightly . bedfordshire slightly. >> but i don't think that will have an impact on the general election. clearly we need to recognise is that a large number of our conservative voters did not come out yesterday amid bedfordshire and tamworth, despite having excellent candidates in festus akinbusoye and in andy cooper. so we need to work harder. we need to make sure that people get the government message that we are delivering against the five priorities, making progress . priorities, making progress. >> the director general of the bbc will be challenged next week over why the corporation refuses to call hamas terrorists. on wednesday , tim davie will wednesday, tim davie will address a meeting of the tory party's 1922 committee of backbench mps , a senior sources backbench mps, a senior sources have told gb news mr davie will be expected to answer questions about the bbc's reporting of the israel hamas conflict , about the bbc's reporting of the israel hamas conflict, including their coverage of a rocket attack on a gaza hospital . the

attack on a gaza hospital. the meeting was originally called last month to address what some tory mps see as bias against the conservative government . but conservative government. but more than 1600 suspected members of county lines drug gangs have been arrested across england and wales. the operation seized class a drugs worth more than £1 million. around 58 children have been referred to safeguarding services for possible over concerns of possible exploitation. the action also closed 250 phone lines and seized more than 400 weapons. west mercia police says a man in his 60s has died after getting caughtin his 60s has died after getting caught in fast flowing floodwater water in shropshire. he's believed to be the third fatality as storm babet continues to cause severe weather conditions. this afternoon, a passenger plane came off the runway at leeds bradford airport while landing in windy conditions. however there were no reported injuries . there were no reported injuries. the met office has issued a new 24 hour red weather warning in

central and north—east scotland as further heavy rainfall is expected . this is gb news across expected. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . michelle now let's get back to. michelle >> thanks for that round. michelle jubrin i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me , till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the conservative life peer in the conservative life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan, writer and trade moylan, and the writer and trade unionist embery . you know unionist paul embery. you know the drill. oh, hello . hello. the drill. oh, hello. hello. i'll just start to forget all about you guys and go straight on and talk to my audience. how rude of me. you can tell it's friday. was just about to ask friday. i was just about to ask you about the you guys actually about the storm. that story storm. obviously that story there in the bulletins. awful scenes. have any of you guys been up in it? get in been caught up in it? get in touch let me know your touch and let me know your experiences. were delayed. experiences. you were delayed. you trauma journey today. you had a trauma journey today. >> i went through hell and high water to get to you , michelle, water to get to you, michelle, and just to make sure that our

viewers see this viewers could see me this evening. i a date with you. evening. i had a date with you. i couldn't up. i couldn't pass it up. >> what means is he knows on >> what it means is he knows on a friday dewberries have an open so gets a free pint. nothing so he gets a free pint. nothing is to stop. paul embry is going to stop. paul embry getting his mitts around that pine. that's what pine. cynical. that's what i think anyway it's a think it was. anyway it's a pleasure and of pleasure to have you. and of course, as well, daniel. and course, you as well, daniel. and you drill is very much you know, the drill is very much about vaiews@gbnews.com is about you. vaiews@gbnews.com is how get hold of me tonight how you get hold of me tonight or you can tweet me at gb news. lots coming your way. i want to talk crime. um, i want to talk housing. want to talk growing housing. i want to talk growing your vegetables . and also your own vegetables. and i also if i've got time, i want to ask you a northerners more friendly than southerners. there's a reason i'm asking you that. but i reason i'm asking you that. but | yes, reason i'm asking you that. but i yes, they i absolutely think yes, they are. thoughts on all are. what's your thoughts on all of but course, the big of that? but of course, the big news of the day is the absolute battering that the tories got at those two by elections last night. of course, i'm talking about mid—bedfordshire. i'll bnng about mid—bedfordshire. i'll bring up the map, by the way, because people talk about these places and assume that everybody knows where everything is. but of seat

of course the seat mid—bedfordshire not mid—bedfordshire labour will not for the first in 90 years. for the first time in 90 years. of course as well. we had tamworth as well again won by laboun tamworth as well again won by labour. i'll bring up a little bit of information for you just on those different seats. if i start with tamworth , let me just start with tamworth, let me just see if i can bring up some of the stats around that so you can see what we're talking about here. yep, there you go. so tamworth course, to just tamworth of course, to just remind all, this the seat remind you all, this is the seat previously by chris pincher previously held by chris pincher before he resigned. apparently for groping men . it was a very for groping men. it was a very strong pro—leave area. this one you can see interestingly enough, there, the enough, the swing there, the labour swing 23.9. this is the second largest swing recorded by labourin second largest swing recorded by labour in a by—election since 1945. interestingly enough, turnout, we're talking 36% there, which i thought was interesting . also, i found it interesting. also, i found it quite interesting that britain first are on that list above lib dem, for example, as are ukip . dem, for example, as are ukip. what do you make to that? lib dems were pushed down to seventh

place in 2019. it's just worth saying that the tories got 66% of that vote . labour got 24% in of that vote. labour got 24% in the general election. you can see that labour won this by—election last night by 46%% let's move on, shall we? to mid bedfordshire. of course you'll be familiar with this one. this is the seat that nadine dorries, she of course resigned from a few things to point out to you here. you're turn out again very small 44. this seat made history. the labour win here made history because it was the largest numeric tory majority to be overturned post. the tories had a majority of. be overturned post. the tories had a majority of . 24,664. yeah had a majority of. 24,664. yeah i mean, i shall start with you two. and just the swing there, by the way, was 20. and i just want to give context because not everyone knows what all of these terms mean. but basically, out of every people that of every hundred people that previously voted tory, 20 of them had swung over to labour in

that by—election. so hopefully that by—election. so hopefully that gives you all a bit of a flavour as to what's going on. people now are saying a few different things. daniel time for a general election . ian but for a general election. ian but in essence this is it. now the tories are done. do you agree with that? >> well, on these figures that looks like it's the case. to be perfectly frank. and we haven't seen from the prime seen anything from the prime minister that says that he has a plan it . he has plan for reversing it. he has his five pledges. he isn't delivering on all the five pledges he's given himself a bit more time. he's got a bit more time to deliver on them. but i think people are becoming impatient and i think they would like to see something being done about the boats. it's all very well him there in well seeing him out there in egypt sure he's doing egypt and i'm sure he's doing great work for peace and great work for world peace and so and that is so on. but and that is important. it really is important. it really is important. but people want to see on these see him delivering on these things. a message from see him delivering on these thingthey a message from see him delivering on these thingthey want a message from see him delivering on these thingthey want to a message from see him delivering on these thingthey want to know isage from see him delivering on these thingthey want to know what from see him delivering on these thingthey want to know what sort him. they want to know what sort of story, what sort of vision he has for britain in the future. yeah. and the opportunity yeah. and he had the opportunity to that in manchester, i to do that in manchester, and i

think most people agreed that he failed advantage that failed to take advantage of that opportunity. we're opportunity. and so we're waiting what the plan waiting to see what the plan is. he's the presumably . he's got the plan, presumably. are you leader? >> are you proud to be conservative? >> i'm always proud to be a conservative because the conservative party is one of the most important countries. pointers to the stability and democracy , peace and prosperity democracy, peace and prosperity of this country over the last 200 years. that's a different question from do i think the conservatives are doing the right things to win the next general election, which is the one you asked me and as far as i can see on those figures, how could you deny that? how could you say that they are the we've got a consistent 20% labour share lead in the polls day after day, week after week, poll after day, week after week, poll after poll, month after month, and then we see that roughly translated into the result of by elections and we say, oh, you mustn't take any notice of that. that's just a blip. it's not a blip. it's a constant trend going on for months .

going on for months. >> i want to come back to you on that because i'm fascinated. i'm fascinated by the internal workings there, because obviously you're a tory life peer i'm fascinated to. peer and i'm fascinated as to. do rishi sunak these do you tell rishi sunak these kind things? do you collect? kind of things? do you collect? he all the time. yeah. but he rings all the time. yeah. but like do i mean, i'm like what do you i mean, i'm really conscious. i just don't want to keep talking to you without paul in. but without bringing paul in. but i'll probably come back to you on to recap, by the on that. just to recap, by the way, that 36, that was way, that tamworth 36, that was the there. so the turnout there. so 64% obviously even bother obviously didn't even bother turning know, the turning out. you know, are the tories dumb? >> probably are. >> i think they probably are. i mean, know by elections are mean, i know by elections are not always great barometers for what general what happens at a general election, think daniel election, but i think daniel was right there is right to say that there is clearly a trend going on and these results last night for the tories absolutely tories were absolutely atrocious. i mean, you can't really overstate it. it they were appalling and much worse, i imagine, than than even the tories thought were possible. i guess my only caveat really, i mean obviously i'm a labour person . i'm pleased that labour person. i'm pleased that labour won . my caveat is i still don't

won. my caveat is i still don't think this really feels like a 1997 moment by which i mean that in the lead up to the 97 election, everybody knew that the tories were loathed and there was a lot of affection for there was a lot of affection for the labour party right across the labour party right across the classes, right across all sections of society. this time round i think the tories are again loathed, despised in some places and people feel very, very betrayed over what's happened the last few years. but but i don't really detect there is that reciprocal love for the labour party. i think that if the labour party rides to power , the labour party rides to power, which it certainly looks like it probably will do, it will be as a result largely of the implosion of the tory party and the implosion of the snp in scotland rather than because people are so enthusiastic about a labour government. probably something similar. i mentioned this on the show before, something maybe to what something similar maybe to what happenedin something similar maybe to what happened in the australian election where the election last year where the labour party win it, but labour party did win it, but not really any great enthusiasm

really with any great enthusiasm among simply because among the public simply because they being the they were seen as being the least bad of all the options . least bad of all the options. but from from a tory point of view, it's incredibly bad. and actually i think there's an entire debate to be had about about how the tory party have squandered that huge legacy that they won in the 2019 election in i mean the political realignment that they benefited from, they've just absolutely squandered it. >> i don't think anyone would disagree with that. stephen i'm originally from hull says smart 9113’- originally from hull says smart guy. he makes a good point. he says, how can anyone be elected to parliament when the vast majority of voters never cast a vote ? he says surely another vote? he says surely another election should be called until at least half the voters have turned out. you'll be there all day just literally going around and and around. although and around and around. although it point about it is an interesting point about should there be a minimum threshold terms can i just threshold in terms of can i just say that's what the tories have done with strike action, with unions strike action, so done with strike action, with unio shouldn'tstrike action, so done with strike action, with unio shouldn't it'ike action, so done with strike action, with unio shouldn't it applytion, so done with strike action, with unio shouldn't it apply to n, so why shouldn't it apply to parliament? >> different debate. but

>> a whole different debate. but certainly legitimate certainly it's a legitimate point, point point, isn't it, at what point i mean, literally if there mean, do you literally if there was a 10% turnout, 90% of people couldn't to up couldn't be bothered to get up and turn out? >> well, you still get into parliament that way. should there be threshold? there be a threshold? do you tell me. tom and i have to say, tom the only one that's tom is not the only one that's made point, but says made this point, but tom says throughout all the conversations of this, never anyone of this, i've never seen anyone mention party mention so far the reform party voters. and you make a really interesting point what you're saying voters saying is if the reform voters were conservatives, they would have both the labour have blocked both of the labour victories very slim margin. victories by a very slim margin. he goes on to say the centre right the right are right and the right are splitting votes by splitting their own votes by definition. therefore letting labourin definition. therefore letting labour in through the back door. so making a very good point so he's making a very good point that a very that actually the left a very good at kind of strategically averting. whereas if you are to the right of politics, there are so many different fragmentations now you can go and all you now that you can go and all you achieve. and we did it in 2019 when i ran for election in hull as the brexit party. and what we achieved the tories and the brexit party split the vote. labour people labour got in with less people that voted for them than

that had voted for them than actually had voted against them. so do you think there's something that that right something in that that the right need unite more? need to unite more? >> well , i need to unite more? >> well, i think need to unite more? >> well , i think there's a need to unite more? >> well, i think there's a big i think you say same is think you can say the same is true the left. of course, true of the left. of course, because there are two left wing parties. the labour party and the democrats, both in the liberal democrats, both in contention what was contention here. what was interesting is there in tamworth the were nowhere but in the lib dems were nowhere but in mid beds. they were, they were high up in the poll, they were third in the poll and they might even have won. and it was thought that they might win dunng thought that they might win during course of it. so it's during the course of it. so it's complicated on both sides of the spectrum. not just spectrum. it's not just something fragments spectrum. it's notjust something fragments on something that's fragments on the but would say the right, but what i would say is bigger question, the is the bigger question, the deeper is, this deeper question is, does this portend some sort of realignment of policies in especially on the right and the centre right? so we've had the idea today that nigel farage, it's a joke idea, it's a joke idea. nigel farage might become the leader of the conservative party. >> why it a joke idea?

>> why is it a joke idea? >> why is it a joke idea? >> because that that is never going but whether but going to happen. but whether but nigel that nigel farage. you know that nigel farage. you know that nigel becomes the leader nigel farage becomes the leader of a party, which actually takes over the conservative party over from the conservative party is another altogether , is another question altogether, because there are people inside the conservative party and in parliament at the moment who really, think would more really, i think would be more comfortable starmers comfortable in keir starmers labour party, although they would be horrified to be in jeremy corbyn's labour party . so jeremy corbyn's labour party. so there's split there as well . there's a split there as well. so i think there are all sorts of things that might happen after this next election. if there any conservatives , i'd there are any conservatives, i'd say there are any say if there are any conservatives, will conservatives, there will be conservatives, there will be conservatives the of conservatives in the house of commons. are enough commons. but if there are enough conservatives the house of conservatives in the house of commons make a fit, then commons to make a fist fit, then there could be very interesting things going on. there could be very interesting thirandjoing on. there could be very interesting thirand don't)n. there could be very interesting thirand don't forget, of course, >> and don't forget, of course, in nadine dorries , she in mid beds nadine dorries, she wrote absolutely scathing wrote an absolutely scathing resignation letter, do you remember? and she really was not happy. and i'm putting it mildly with rishi sunak . and that's with rishi sunak. and that's quite interesting because then whatever the rights and wrongs and i ain't got time to get into

that, but you then dividing again that right leaning vote, the centre right leaning vote, because then someone will go, well, actually i might have gone tories, i've that i tories, but i've read that i agree her about rishi. agree with her about rishi. whatever going reform whatever i am going to go reform and then you do have that situation that we're seeing here, i think where this sufficient between sufficient common ground between parties part of parties in a particular part of the spectrum , it does the political spectrum, it does make for them to work make sense for them to work together and to make sure that there isn't a split in the vote. >> and i think probably the best example of that was actually in the early 1980s when the labour party split and you had the sdp formed under david owen and shirley williams and people like that, and a number of labour mps defected to the sdp . and of defected to the sdp. and of course what that did is it split the labour vote down the middle really, and many years really, and allowed many years of thatcherism . i mean, you will of thatcherism. i mean, you will always have on the left, you know, fringe parties to the left , far left parties who will sometimes opt in to the labour party. do a bit of entryism and then disappear again. but when it on a major scale like

it happens on a major scale like that, as it did with labour and the sdp, then actually it can keep you out of power for a long time. so. so i think the tories do have a real problem. we saw it actually. you touched on it yourself, michelle, the yourself, michelle, with the brexit a couple of years brexit party, a couple of years ago, people were so angry ago, where people were so angry at the tory party the at the tory party over the fact that weren't getting brexit that they weren't getting brexit done. the brexit done. and obviously the brexit party emerged out of that. and in the european elections actually, you know, absolute stormed it. so that's that's the lesson really. i just think there's a huge number of voters in this country who would consider themselves to the left economically. so they want a higher minimum wage. they don't like the racing gap between rich and poor. they want public services are properly invested, full employment and that kind of thing. they don't like boardroom excesses and whatever. but at the same time, on a cultural level, they're a little bit to the right. so they don't like the right. so they don't like the woke agenda. they want police to patrol the streets as to those people, well, this is the years, nobody

the thing. for years, nobody has. think the tories has. i think the tories messaging catered to them in 2019 and that's why they made such inroads into the labour vote and got all of those red wall seats. the problem is they didn't do anything with it and people down by it. people feel let down by it. >> i mean it is >> yeah, i mean it is spectacular. we touched this, spectacular. we touched on this, how from your stonking how you go from your stonking majority 2019 this, but majority in 2019 to this, but then have to be fair. then you do have to be fair. >> your successful prime >> if your successful prime minister halfway through the process, indeed and you process, do you indeed and you do to be fair as well. do have to be fair as well. >> you've had the global pandemic, you've had the ukraine war. we're on cusp now. some war. we're on the cusp now. some would argue, of potential, some kind the middle kind of war within the middle east so it's been east as well. so it's not been an easy time for the tories. but to your point, i think there's an you. of you an awful lot of you. many of you watch program, i know, that watch this program, i know, that actually got over, actually have never got over, actually, that boris actually, the fact that boris johnson ousted because he actually, the fact that boris johnthe ousted because he actually, the fact that boris johnthe guy ousted because he actually, the fact that boris johnthe guy that.ed because he actually, the fact that boris johnthe guy that convertede he actually, the fact that boris johnthe guy that converted you was the guy that converted you to the tories in the first place. and many would say that undemocratically got of him. undemocratically got rid of him. lee , we're talking lee says, sorry, we're talking about or we should about whether or not we should have a minimum when have a minimum threshold when it comes turnout of comes to turnout in terms of election years going fonnard. would ian says

would you support that? ian says that papers should have that ballot papers should have a none of the above box, and if the none of the above box gets the none of the above box gets the votes, the election the most votes, the election should again. he should be held again. but he says there's catch. everyone says there's a catch. everyone that's stood would be that's previously stood would be unable again. unable to stand again. cor blimey, ian would there blimey, ian would be there having selections, re selections. all selections. we'd be there all day. parliament won't get anything says. i vote anything done, lee says. i vote every time i can. local national. anyone tried to national. but if anyone tried to force to vote i would never force me to vote i would never vote again. i don't care what they tried to enforce it, they tried to do to enforce it, i wouldn't comply, said. i wouldn't comply, dennis said. we copy australia. it's we should copy australia. it's the there. yes then. the law to vote there. yes then. but what would you say to people like people like me that like lee and people like me that would say that you wouldn't be able us to turn out? able to force us to turn out? what would do? how would you what would you do? how would you get our living rooms get us out of our living rooms and into that polling station? you tell me. i want to talk to you next about crime. get this right. england wales, you next about crime. get this right. figures and wales, you next about crime. get this right. figures and have les, crime figures really have fallen. but does that mean that the country is basically safer, less crime? or does it mean that people are basically giving up reporting crime? you tell me .

chat right now. >> yeah, okay. i think it probably is important to give a little bit more context like you were just doing there about the actual result on mark dolan tonight. >> in my big opinion, following the tories double by—election loss, a labour government is coming , so be loss, a labour government is coming, so be careful loss, a labour government is coming , so be careful what loss, a labour government is coming, so be careful what you wish for in my take at ten. with the world on the brink of war, we need a proper leader in the white house. joe biden must be impeached the grounds of ill impeached on the grounds of ill health. my mark meets guest is tv and radio pat sharp. tv and radio legend pat sharp. plus mike parry, edwina currie , plus mike parry, edwina currie, tomorrow's papers and my top pundits. we're live from . nine pundits. we're live from. nine hi there. >> michelle dewberry tools seven daniel moylan. i'm paul embry, alongside me before the break, we were talking about the by—election results and lots and lots of you have been in touch talking to me about the impact of reform party, which got of the reform party, which got me we me thinking in the break. we i think what's going to happen at the next election is the verts

to the right and the centre right, they going right, whatever. they are going to by the likes of to be split by the likes of reform you think reform and tory, do you think the tories would or should get into of pre electoral into some kind of pre electoral pact with reform and say, look, you feel candidates over there and we won't bother and vice versa ? versa? >> no, i don't think they will and i don't think they should. why not? i don't think they will because i can't see that no party says, you know , party that says, you know, there's somebody else out there. i'm not not that i don't i'm not i'm not that i don't offer myself for in offer myself for election in some places really i'd some places because really i'd rather else did rather somebody else did it. you're no confidence in you're showing no confidence in yourself. have to into an yourself. you have to go into an election saying , i'm yourself. you have to go into an election saying, i'm going to win this election. you to win this election. you have to say people. even if you say that to people. even if you know it's nonsense. you can't go in half heartedly. that's the first thing. the second is first thing. the second thing is i don't see that it would make any great difference anyway. it is that these two by is true that in these two by elections, somebody pointed elections, as somebody pointed out, party did make out, the reform party did make the difference. the conservatives might won. conservatives might have won. yeah, think be very yeah, but i think it'd be very difficult down few difficult to track down a few seats they do that. seats where they could do that. but it happened in 2019 with the

brexit party. >> i just gave you my seat as the example. >> i just gave you my seat as the i example. >> i just gave you my seat as thei know. e. >> i just gave you my seat as the i know. e. then third, >> i know. and then the third, the third is i don't think the third thing is i don't think the third thing is i don't think the electors are like that. you can't conservative party can't say conservative party can't say conservative party can't and labour party can't say to their voters, oh, we know your we've your vote, by your we've sold your vote, by the way , reform. you the way, to reform. would you mind voting queueing up and voting for reform ? are you sure? voting for reform? are you sure? because deal. because we've done a deal. >> you're assuming, say wait on your vote for who we want your we'll vote for who we want to vote for, assuming ownership of a voter. >> you're saying. i can't say >> so you're saying. i can't say to but those no one's to my voters, but those no one's anyone's voters versus an individual people who lend a vote, the people who vote, but they're the people who have vote for the have to go out and vote for the party that you've done the deal with. >> and how can you promise they will do that? because they are independent? >> you know what? >> you know what? >> i'm throw it open to >> i'm going to throw it open to you guys to have the final word on that. i could talk about that all night. i find it absolutely fascinating. do want fascinating. anyway, i do want to you about crime, to talk to you about crime, because now because the ons statistics now show england and show that crime in england and wales is down by 10% in the year up 2023. get this, up to june 2023. get this, though, is though, violent crime is apparently 28. i know

apparently down on 28. i know i should sit here because i do. i scrabble around trying to find positive news stories all the time. so i'm sure that i should be sitting here again. this is absolutely there's absolutely amazing. but there's absolutely amazing. but there's a part of me that thinks, don't wash with don't actually wash with me. i don't actually think crime is down by think all this crime is down by this much. it's people this much. i think it's people now even bother reporting now don't even bother reporting stuff. am i no i think stuff. am i wrong? no i think you're healthy. >> stoicism is entirely >> step stoicism is entirely justified . and the truth is, justified. and the truth is, actually, the police do have a bit of form and the home office does have a bit of form for misleading people with crime figures. in fact, some police witnesses went in front of a select committee in parliament around ten years ago and admitted that crime figures had been manipulated in such a way to give the impression that there were fewer crimes being committed than there are . and i committed than there are. and i think the way that crimes are often kind of recategorized as well probably has an impact on that. but unquestionably in my view, the kind of reluctance of people to now report crime has to be a factor . you know what,

to be a factor. you know what, we're not being told within these figures is how many crimes are occurring across the country. we're being told how many are being reported would not be entitled, how many are occurring and how would they know, how many are caring if they're not reporting? >> exactly. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> you in that >> and, you know, in that regard, i suspect we probably can't anything than can't go by anything other than anecdotal evidence. but certainly conversations certainly in conversations i have people , i think there have with people, i think there is a general feeling out there now that even if you were to report something to the police , report something to the police, especially if it was what the police of a low police see as a bit of a low level crime , then the chances of level crime, then the chances of them investigate doing it properly, chances anyone properly, the chances of anyone being charged and later convicted are almost non—existent. that then non—existent. and that then leads into the much wider debate about the police. clearly not fulfilling role . i respect fulfilling their role. i respect individual police officers , but individual police officers, but as i've said for some time now, if the police were a commercial organisation, then trading standards would on them standards would be on to them because just not doing because they are just not doing what supposed to be doing. >> mean, i think it's >> yeah, i mean, i think it's criminal actually that criminal damage actually that

decreased 28. decreased by 28. >> but again, i just repeat myself, think it's just myself, i think it's just because what is the because people think what is the actual and don't know, actual point? and i don't know, like got this wrong. here like i got this wrong. oh, here we me and paul have got it wrong. >> daniel's got it right. we haven't, we haven't . haven't, we haven't. >> you haven't read the article. you're commenting on what? >> i've read loads of those shocking allegations. >> have to >> these figures have nothing to do. him out with with. >> kick him out with with. >> kick him out with with. >> with crimes reported the >> with crimes reported to the police or with police records. >> is then? >> what is it then? >> what is it then? >> okay. these figures are based on a long running survey of the public. where go out public. right. where you go out and do this for the labour and we do this for the labour market because the market as well, because the reason is very difficult to reason is it's very difficult to measure who's on, who's employed, who's unemployed, what the so we use the percentage is are. so we use surveys doing and the surveys for doing that. and the statistics nations are very aware that it's very difficult to measure what's actually happening to crime just by looking at police figures. so one of the things they do is they go out and they do a survey of the public every year in which they ask them questions, which they ask them questions, which allow them to build up figures a longer period. so

figures over a longer period. so you can see what's trending. that's it's actually that's why it's not actually telling you what the number of crimes are. it's telling you what's up, what's down compared to previous years . now, all to previous years. now, like all surveys statistics , it surveys and all statistics, it comes with some health warnings about reliabilities it about how reliabilities and it does some additional does include some additional health because health warnings here because post pandemic, there were some figures that were not entirely reliable , but they're up front reliable, but they're up front about that they say it. but about that and they say it. but what this is saying is that if you go out and talk to the pubuc you go out and talk to the public their experience of public about their experience of crime, crimes some crime, some crimes are up, some crimes are down. and overall, it's probably it is it is lower than it has been. and it's been trending a bit lower over the last couple of years, which is good news. >> but i've got to pick you up on that because i'm about to pick up on it as well. >> there's a queue to correct the corrector. who wants to go first? because i'm about to fact checking the fact checker. right. >> just to be clear, everybody, and this article, and i shall read this article, it i've read. i shall it says, i've not read. i shall read you can be the judge read it. you can be the judge crime in england and wales has

fallen to its lowest level on record. data from the office for national full national statistics shows. full stop. stop. stop. hang on. full stop. >> it also says the crime survey for england and wales, which polls members of the public also suggests things like a 20% drop. >> so we are both correct. >> so we are both correct. >> and it does say and it also says the camera on him, because now he's frantically daniel morgan is now frantically reading. >> and he also says, i didn't read it also says, according to the office of national statistics, statistics, statistics, the statistics, the number recorded homicides number of recorded homicides fellnow, number of recorded homicides fell now, that can't number of recorded homicides fellnow, that can't be something >> now, that can't be something that you just do from a survey that's clearly a extremely well, there low there are low free there are low there are low free concede the point, daniel. >> come on. >> come on. >> you're wrong. you were just wrong. so you don't survey. >> come on. because the police don't get those numbers wrong. >> take that. >> i'll take that. >> i'll take that. >> homicides. you can rely on. >> homicides. you can rely on. >> i'll take as concession. >> all right, let me just go off on a random tangent. >> right. because many of you will be familiar with. the other day a tweet up saying that day i put a tweet up saying that this madman had come was kicking off and threatening everyone on

the really the tube. everyone was really upset use word upset at my use of the word madman. stand by it. madman. but i stand by it. anyway, got in touch with anyway, i got in touch with a british transport police to report this is what they report it. and this is what they said to me. they said, look, to be so know what be honest, just so you know what we're to need in order to we're going to need in order to progress this complaint, we need to know the exact tube carriage that the exact tube that you was on the exact tube that you was on the exact tube that was on. now, anyone that you was on. now, anyone that you was on. now, anyone that has ever got on tube in that has ever got on a tube in london, most you fly down london, most people you fly down the jump whatever the stairs, you jump on whatever tube is coming your way. they the stairs, you jump on whatever tube ibyoming your way. they the stairs, you jump on whatever tube iby every your way. they the stairs, you jump on whatever tube iby every oner way. they the stairs, you jump on whatever tube iby every one minute,1ey the stairs, you jump on whatever tube iby every one minute, two come by every one minute, two minutes, something that. so minutes, something like that. so the anybody accurately the chance of anybody accurately knowing was the was on knowing this was the i was on the 1207 and i was on three carriage in it's nigh on impossible. i had to just impossible. so i had to just drop i know i drop that case because i know i couldn't provide that information. was so information. and she was so apologetic was apologetic because she was saying we it's you saying to me, we just it's you know, like needle in a know, it's like needle in a haystack. and that was the end of that. then whoever of that. then so whoever that guy no longer to guy is, you know, no longer to be progressed. >> i mean, you do wonder >> i mean, you do have to wonder whether the whole whether some of the whole bureaucracy it is bureaucracy around it is actually to deter actually designed to deter people reporting crime in people from reporting crime in the first it's the the first place. and it's the old broken philosophy, old broken windows philosophy, isn't you know, you if

isn't it? you know, you can if the police authorities the police and the authorities look at and think, well, look at it and think, well, that's low level crime, we that's only low level crime, we don't worry about it, we don't need to worry about it, we know that acts as a gateway know that that acts as a gateway to then committing more to people then committing more and serious and the and more serious crimes. and the truth we're often truth is, i mean, we're often having conversations about the number in prisons number of people in our prisons and so on and how they're overflowing . but in reality, to overflowing. but in reality, to actually get into a prison in the first place as an offender, you usually have to have committed a long list of crimes to actually get there. indeed i want know your experiences of crimes. >> have been a victim? and >> have you been a victim? and if did report? and if if so, did you report? and if so, an outcome? steve, so, was there an outcome? steve, talking elections , talking about the by elections, there's all those voters who lent to the tories lent their votes to the tories in 2019 must feel that they've been caught up electoral been caught up in an electoral scam blimey, words scam called blimey, harsh words don't after the don't go anywhere. after the break, to talk you break, i want to talk to you about whether not it's the about whether or not it's the state's to give you a home. state's job to give you a home. i'm to duff daniel up in i'm going to duff daniel up in the saying i didn't the break. i'm saying i didn't read report he may or may read my report so he may or may not be here after the break. i'll you

very bored of your listening to gb news radio .

gb news radio. >> hi there. michelle dewberry till seven and i'll let him stay on the conservative life. peer in the house of lords. daniel moyle. i'll let him stay because it's friday. you get a drink on a friday and i feel like you've earned and he also conceded earned it. and he also conceded in i didn't read in the break that i didn't read read my article. did indeed read my article. i did indeed know what was talking about. know what i was talking about. didn't you? >> him admit had >> you had him i admit you had him a headlock, though, to be him in a headlock, though, to be fair. yeah. >> may have read we may have >> we may have read we may have read parts. it was a read different parts. it was a headlock with a hewer. headlock with a nick hewer. >> it was that stiletto that was the decider. >> it was that stiletto that was the don't er. >> it was that stiletto that was the don't give away all of the >> don't give away all of the bric secrets, all the private goings the bric. goings on in the bric. >> cor blimey. >> daniel. cor blimey. >> daniel. cor blimey. >> just looking at it now, >> also just looking at it now, it was lethal. >> yes we digress >> my heel. yes we digress massively, don't we? paul embery is but want to talk is alongside, but i want to talk to about homes. councils to you about homes. the councils in spent the most money in england spent the most money ever homelessness last year, ever on homelessness last year, which got me thinking . housing which got me thinking. housing right divided. so the state's been the, you know, the essentially the landlord of last

resort . right. essentially the landlord of last resort. right. is essentially the landlord of last resort . right. is that the way resort. right. is that the way it should be? yeah. >> well, i certainly don't think a state should see people on the street, particularly if people are vulnerable. i absolutely think it's the mark of a civilised society that a state is willing to step in and to house people who are homeless. but i think more than that, actually, i think the i don't necessarily think the state should be have a statutory requirement to give everybody a home. but you know, some of these people might be millionaires. for example, but certainly has an obligation , i certainly has an obligation, i think, to make sure that there is sufficient stock there is sufficient housing stock so that people, particularly at the lower end of the scale , are not lower end of the scale, are not living in insanitary conditions , living in insanitary conditions, are not living in substandard housing, which, to be perfectly honest, thousands , possibly honest, thousands, possibly millions of people across the country are. and it's largely as a result , in country are. and it's largely as a result, in my view, of the fact that we've simply stopped

building council homes. we don't building council homes. we don't build council homes on anything like the scale that we used to. that means that lots of young people simply get on the people simply can't get on the ladden people simply can't get on the ladder. it means that the housing stock available, housing stock that is available, the you know , to the prices surge. you know, to try trying, particularly in some of our major cities, to try to buy a property, you have to be pretty rich, to be blunt . so pretty rich, to be blunt. so what we've got in this country is a chronic housing shortage , is a chronic housing shortage, which affects, as i said, millions of people. and in those circumstances , i don't think the circumstances, i don't think the state can turn a blind eye. i think it's the role of the state to in and say, we're going to step in and say, we're going to step in and say, we're going to put this situation right, even that is, say, even if that person is, say, like a professional like a young professional working man that just say is on a lower wage. if it means a lower wage. well, if it means that that person can't buy their own home and has to live in bedsit accommodation, for example , because, you know, if example, because, you know, if we're honest about it, paying rent normally in many cases actually costs you more than a mortgage these days. so if somebody you know, cannot get on

the housing ladder, then yeah, i think the state does have a role in stepping in and saying we've got to make sure there's sufficient stock so that people can have their own home. >> do you agree with that, daniel? >> i think it's astonishing, actually. because actually. the last bit, because you're not only you're suggesting that not only should housed, but should everyone be housed, but they be able buy their they should be able to buy their own home. there are lots of countries where people where renting the norm and just renting is the norm and you just take it granted that buying take it for granted that buying is what the right thing is. look, i agree with wasn't that thatcherite thing that people should that's should be able to buy? that's what say. i agree with what you did say. i agree with you. a housing you. there is a housing shortage. the government has dropped successive dropped the ball successive governments have dropped the ball . and they're not ball on that. and they're not building houses building or ensuring that houses are building are being built, building council the answer council houses isn't the answer because council houses don't go to young people, council houses go to a category of people first who are who are assessed as being in need . so essentially being in need. so essentially you basically have to have kids in order to have any hope of being regarded as statutorily homeless. you might be single, you might be a couple, but

that's where you have to be. apart from that, unless you're desperately very , very desperately ill or very, very elderly, won't get anywhere elderly, you won't get anywhere near it. nothing for young near it. do nothing for young professionals building council houses councils are houses and we know councils are pretty at building homes pretty useless at building homes and once they've built them, they're absolutely at they're absolutely hopeless at maintaining them because they don't have the money to do so. so all start fall to so they all start to fall to bits after about 40 or 50 years, it's worst possible it's the worst possible investment. money into investment. putting money into council need more council houses. we need more houses the private sector. we houses in the private sector. we need houses precisely need more houses precisely for people to be able to buy them and get on the housing ladder, which is what you just said. that's where we should be putting and the putting our focus. and the government isn't actually doing it. is it state's it. is it the state's responsibility house responsibility to house everybody? all agree that everybody? we can all agree that at level, if you want, if at one level, if you want, if i can go on a second, at one level, of course, we can't have a state where people are just routinely vulnerable. people are routinely vulnerable. people are routinely the routinely sleeping on the streets have streets because they have nowhere live. we'd nowhere else to live. we'd all agree that. what agree with that. but what actually you actually happens is that you turn up, you present as being homeless saying , i'm homeless homeless or saying, i'm homeless to local authority and

to your local authority and you're basically put in one of two categories. in one category you are entitled something. two categories. in one category you are statutory something. two categories. in one category you are statutory . something. two categories. in one category you are statutory . you|ething. two categories. in one category you are statutory . you areing. two categories. in one category you are statutory . you are found you are statutory. you are found to be statutorily homeless. all of a sudden you become entitled and thereby only to and thereby not only to accommodation, but certain standards, certain responsible parties always fulfilled parties are not always fulfilled . you could end up with bed and breakfast time, but breakfast for a time, but nonetheless, you've got those rights find you're not rights or you find you're not statutorily homeless because either fill the forms either you didn't fill the forms incorrectly you've turned incorrectly or you've turned something down in past, or something down in the past, or you've and then have you've turned and then you have no all. i think it's no rights at all. i think it's that that discrepancy, i have to say, is what i think. >> i think you're upsets people. i think your depiction of council housing a caricature . council housing is a caricature. you're largely well , well, i you're largely well, well, i mean, i don't know if you grew up in a council house. i did. and they were council homes that were built in the 1930, 100 years ago. and they're still standing yeah, 1930. and standing today. yeah, 1930. and they're and people they're still solid. and people are them. and are still living in them. and when when i was born 60s and when i when i was born 60s and 70s, when i was born in the 19705, 70s, when i was born in the 1970s, my parents moved into

that council house. my mother looked after the children. she wasn't forced to go out to work. my dad had the job and we had a reasonable standard of living. we good, solid we had affordable, good, solid housing and a reasonable standard of living, and that was largely as a result of the fact that we had that. but we had that we had that. but we had that council housing as thousands of families around the 80s. >> on when those criteria changed you would never meet the criteria. parents would never have got into that. >> the criteria shouldn't change. it should be changed back again. >> well, there you are. >> well, there you are. >> that's a conversation >> well, that's a conversation that rumble and on. that can rumble on and on. what's your thoughts about that? les you're asking les says, michel, you're asking about saw an atm about crime. once i saw an atm being raided, i reported to being raided, i reported it to the police and they said they wouldn't because it wouldn't do anything because it was he says he was a bank matter. he says he felt disgusted. i felt absolutely disgusted. i found interesting. found that quite interesting. also says michel , it's also so phil, says michel, it's very obvious that you favour paul. very obvious that you favour paul . can she leave daniel paul. can she leave daniel alone? you're only human. and susan says, how dare you suggest kicking daniel out? michel is getting too big for her boots andits

getting too big for her boots and it's hair that should be kicked out. she also says some quite unkind things me, quite unkind things about me, which read out at tea which i won't read out at tea time. but for the record, it's all good natured. we believe in respectful and respectful disagreement and debate here, so don't worry. he's all right. >> next time. next time. >> next time. next time. >> that after the break. >> you say that after the break. when they back, i'll be when they come back, i'll be sitting and you'll be gone. >> yeah, i really want to divide things. >> that was brave, daniel. >> that was brave, daniel. >> say, did you, aaron, did you noficel >> say, did you, aaron, did you notice i just glossed over that. >> i really want to shake things up i want to you. up because i want to ask you. i want to talk to you about growing your own veg in hull. but i also want to talk to you as what's better? what's as well. what's better? what's friendlier? the north or the south? you

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. and look jubrey tavern is open. both of my panellists remain alongside me. daniel come on, give us a cheers because everyone thinks that, like, here

we do. cheers. cheers. and paul, everyone says i'm favouring you. so if you're wondering why paul has suddenly got about six inches shorter, that just inches shorter, it's that just to prove that it's not. i don't just favour daniel. i've just chopped legs off his chopped the legs off his chair a little bit. >> that's got my off. yeah. >> that's got my legs off. yeah. >> that's got my legs off. yeah. >> he's suddenly >> that's why he's suddenly standing up. cheers. anyway, cheers, my cheers, everybody. one of my viewers has just made point viewers has just made the point about statistics. were just about statistics. we were just arguing about crime levels . arguing about crime levels. earlier on the program, one earlier on in the program, one of my viewers made a really good point. the three of you this point. the three of you on this panel michelle he just panel tonight. michelle he just said, statistics alone said, prove why statistics alone can massaged to present can be massaged to present basically argument with basically any argument with whatever people whatever slant the people providing the information want you to think. and i think you're absolutely spot on with that one. look this is, you know, the score on a friday. we get to this point. the weekend is officially undennay. there's officially undennay. so there's a that i want a couple of things that i want to talk to you about before the end the program. hull of end of the program. hull of course, place on the course, the best place on the best on earth, which would best place on earth, which would have been even better, by the way, elected me. but way, had they elected me. but guess bitter.

guess what? i'm not bitter. i will move on anyway. hull council, is really council, this is really interesting. essentially interesting. they're essentially going the first uk going to be the first uk council. all to give people what they the to grow food they call the right to grow food , the right to grow. and it's all about allowing people to grow own and veg on grow their own fruit and veg on unused land . what do you unused council land. what do you think? because i think this is quite great step fonnard. quite a great step fonnard. it'll be things like grass verges and stuff that. verges and stuff like that. >> it's good >> yeah, i think it's a good idea . and i think sometimes when idea. and i think sometimes when councils fonnard with councils come fonnard with initiatives of this kind, i think we can sometimes be a quick, a bit quick to say , you quick, a bit quick to say, you know, that's ridiculous. what are the council playing you are the council playing at? you know, focus on know, they should just focus on their bread and butter job and so on. but yeah , i think i think so on. but yeah, i think i think people should give this one a fair win. i mean, we do have a cost living crisis at the cost of living crisis at the moment. know, prices moment. you know, food prices are up. are are going up. people are struggling to make ends meet. and think an initiative like and i think an initiative like this teach this where you actually teach people people the people and give people the opportunity their own opportunity to grow their own vegetables and whatever, and there are huge amounts of wasteland in this country. let's be blunt ,

wasteland in this country. let's be blunt, disused land, particularly around some of our inner cities . and if we can help inner cities. and if we can help some people who, you know, don't cook and don't know how to cook, to learn to how cook with, you know, the fruits, no pun intended of their efforts, then , intended of their efforts, then, you know, let's give it a go. >> and i also think if you've grown own you'd see grown your own food, you'd see a much reduced level of food wastage when put wastage because when you've put blood, sweat and tears into your food, you're less likely to bin it rest of it it and all the rest of it anyway. what do make of this anyway. what do you make of this scheme? it actually scheme? well, it isn't actually as as sounds. as original as it sounds. >> and we not read the >> and have we not read the story again? >> not heard the story. >> i've not heard the story. probably haven't read the story. >> you're telling me i can't be mean you. mean to you. >> got to keep you on. go on. >> on. >> i mean, you know, this has been on london, for been going on in london, for example, quite a long time. example, for quite a long time. there is a big movement behind it. big promotes edible it. big ngo promotes edible gardens. boris was mayor of gardens. when boris was mayor of london, a sort london, he actually had a sort of mayor for edible of deputy mayor for edible gardens shape the gardens in the shape of the wonderful and spectacular lady boycott, the house wonderful and spectacular lady bo lords the house wonderful and spectacular lady bolords now the house wonderful and spectacular lady bolords now as the house wonderful and spectacular lady bolords now as a the house wonderful and spectacular lady bolords now as a as.he house of lords now as a as a crossbench peer and these people are quite evangelical about

promoting you can promoting the idea that you can be there growing your own be out there growing your own food a communal and community food in a communal and community spirit, whether you it spirit, whether you do it on grass and how grass verges and how you protect. happens if protect. i mean, what happens if somebody and steals your somebody comes and steals your prize marrow the prize prize marrow from off the bid a grass verge? they're bid from a grass verge? they're mostly enclosed of mostly an enclosed sort of spaces often in beds spaces and very often in beds that are put down in boxes and often with kids being encouraged and taking over. and schools taking them over. so it's original. it's not entirely original. nothing. in it at all. nothing. no harm in it at all. and it's nice for people to have some connection with it. do i see this as a wholly good thing? not entirely . i have to admit this. >> put a dampener on the end of my program. i will try to find. good. >> i was trying to find good positive news that will get me kicked off the program. >> go on. i have to say, i've never admitted this before, but ihave never admitted this before, but i have never in my life been to hull. >> what i want to say. get out. i know what you've missed. >> you've already told me what they think of me. so i can't say that i've never in my life been to hull. >> there, if there is >> but there, if there is derelict space in the middle of hull. mind being space hull. no, never mind being space in hull. >> there is hope?

>> why there is hope? >> why there is hope? >> because i've never been invited by somebody. >> because i've never been invioh, by somebody. >> because i've never been invioh, you've ebody. >> because i've never been invioh, you've justiy. >> because i've never been invioh, you've just led me >> oh, you've just led me nicely. indirectly, i suspect. >> nobody's ever there is this guy, right? >> been in the papers >> and he's been in the papers today. he's german tory, today. he's a german tory, right? year for the last today. he's a german tory, right? decades, ar for the last today. he's a german tory, right? decades, he'sr the last today. he's a german tory, right? decades, he's beenlast today. he's a german tory, right? decades, he's been on: three decades, he's been on holiday. where he's holiday. and you know where he's been holiday hull. hull been on holiday to hull. hull and that he says that and the reason that he says that is these hull people and is because these hull people and northerners more generally, we are he says, are really friendly. he says, compared i imagine compared to, i imagine places like south and stuff like like the south and stuff like that. so well, what was you about to take? intake breath there? >> was to say hull was >> i was about to say hull was lovely. i'm not sure i'd want a fortnight there to be perfect. >> was going to say >> i thought i was going to say if he thinks all hull people are friendly, he's obviously never you that as well. >> mean you're the >> yeah. i mean you're the exception rule. yeah exception to the rule. yeah >> been asking you guys at >> i've been asking you guys at home. rebecca says northerners are more are definitely much more friendly as friendly and i say that as someone lives the south. someone who lives in the south. john they are john says, no, they are definitely more friendly. definitely not more friendly. i originate in london. originate from putney in london. he says. true cockneys, like myself, fighting war myself, have a fighting war spirit. help each other spirit. we help each other and we always chipper. spirit. we help each other and we it's always chipper. spirit. we help each other and we it's notays chipper. spirit. we help each other and we it's notayjcockney�*. spirit. we help each other and we it's notayjcockney from >> it's not a cockney from putney, me tell you, putney putney, let me tell you, putney

is of south—west london. >> that's not within the sound of bow bells fighting cough. sorry, john, you're not cockney. >> my friend gillian makes a very good point. says yes. very good point. she says yes. northern very northern is a very, very friendly. we hello and good friendly. we say hello and good morning to everybody we morning to everybody that we pass. notice the pass. and i notice the difference north and difference between north and south go to a shop, south when you go to a shop, because when you go to a shop in london, just served. london, you just get served. when to a shop in, say, when you go to a shop in, say, hull, you go to the till and the woman like, ah, yeah, woman will be like, ah, yeah, you right? you're having a you all right? you're having a good day. like whatever, whatever. polite whatever. they'll make polite conversation. when chris says northern friendly northern is a way more friendly than southerners, he's born and bred sheffield, true bred in sheffield, a true yorkshire says if you yorkshire man. he says if you try say good morning to try and say good morning to someone london, you could be someone in london, you could be frozen with the stare you frozen with the stare that you get back return. um, yeah. get back in return. um, yeah. i have to mark says, i was have to say, mark says, i was brought in bristol and since brought up in bristol and since i've grimsby, i do find i've moved to grimsby, i do find the north more welcoming than the north more welcoming than the seven years the south. after seven years here. missing here. so you are missing out? >> think missing out. in >> i think i'm missing out. in fact, i'm not entirely missing out because since the pandemic, i taken more holidays in i have taken more holidays in england them up in england and a lot of them up in the north of england and

yorkshire and beyond. >> there's wonderful player >> and there's wonderful player just actually to just haven't actually been to hull. wanted to say hull. but what i wanted to say about right make it about hull was all right make it very quick, quick, quick it very quick, quick, quick make it nice. they're a derelict nice. if they're a derelict place, spaces in place, these spaces in the middle hull. middle of hull. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> then surely we should be using for development that using them for development that will encourage jobs and prosperity develop a grass prosperity to develop on a grass verge prosperity to develop on a grass very if there's like a little >> if there's like a little grass, grass verges not that's not picture in article not the picture in the article anyway. >> at him. you can tell >> look at him. you can tell israelis ask. they're israelis ask. i think they're talking little bit more talking about a little bit more land random land than just one random picture article. i must picture in an article. i must confess , i still want to know confess, i still want to know what's going to happen. >> stuart marijuana knows he's angung >> stuart marijuana knows he's angling for an invitation to hold. >> not picking you're not >> you're not picking you're not picking hint, are you? picking up the hint, are you? >> michelle stuart knows the score he said, michelle, score because he said, michelle, can say i've really can i just say that i've really appreciated banter between can i just say that i've really appreciateon banter between can i just say that i've really appreciateon the)anter between can i just say that i've really appreciateon the panel between can i just say that i've really appreciateon the panel tonight. you three on the panel tonight. so that's what it so i like that. that's what it is. friendly banter, always respectful. a very much enjoyed your company, but i'm not going to you to whole anytime to invite you to whole anytime soon. have great weekend soon. have a great weekend everyone. lee anderson, up next tonight. >> good evening. alex deakin >> good evening. i'm alex deakin and this your latest weather

and this is your latest weather update met for update from the met office for gb storm bob continues to gb news storm bob continues to cause further. heavy cause problems further. heavy rain is expected cause more rain is expected to cause more flooding . and we do have a red flooding. and we do have a red weather warning in place from midnight. again for parts of eastern scotland. but there are other weather warnings in place through night. the weather through the night. the weather has causing problems across has been causing problems across england wales through england and wales through the day. easing day. the rain slowly easing here, but it will stay very soggy most locations, runs soggy in most locations, runs through early hours , through into the early hours, something a bit drier across the south—east temperatures south—east where temperatures hold 12. elsewhere hold up at 11 or 12. elsewhere will be mostly down into single figures. have to focus figures. but we do have to focus in the rain because it's in on the rain because it's returning tonight over eastern scotland then it lasts for scotland and then it lasts for most the day. it's already most of the day. it's already caused significant problems and this further rain falling during tomorrow. 100mm tomorrow. another 100mm possible. expected to possible. he is expected to cause more widespread disruption and of course, further flooding . and of course, further flooding. that stiff wind will just continue to feed in the moisture here. a drier day across northeast england tomorrow and for parts of wales well . for parts of wales as well. there will still be some heavy showers, in the showers, though, in the south—east and some gusty winds

blowing temperatures blowing here, too. temperatures mostly getting into the low mostly getting up into the low to maybe mid teens sunday offers some respite. there will be still some rain across scotland, but it should tend to ease and it won't be as heavy or as persistent. a few scattered showers elsewhere, but for many, sunday's fine looking day, dry sunday's a fine looking day, dry and bright, some sunny and bright, with some sunny spells. will be spells. the winds will be lighter well, and it'll lighter as well, and it'll probably just feel a little bit warmer see met warmer. please see the met office website the latest

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richard tice. he's the leader of reform uk back has left in the corner. we've got the former leader of the liberal democrats, sir vince cable. we've also got quentin letts from the daily mail. going head mail. he's going head to head tonight vince cable . we've tonight with vince cable. we've got victoria hervey. got lovely lady victoria hervey. she's going to be talking about the royals another of the royals and another dose of common gary , the cabbie common sense, gary, the cabbie is but let's go to is back. but first, let's go to the news headlines . the news headlines. >> good evening . i'm ray addison >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . our top story, in the newsroom. our top story, the prime minister has praised egypt for its efforts in trying to deliver aid to civilians in gaza after meeting the country's president, rishi sunak said palestinians are also victims of hamas and expressed his condolence for the loss of lives . he also stressed the importance of opening a safe corridor to gaza . corridor to gaza. >> one thing we have prioritised consistent is getting the rafah crossing opening . it's been a crossing opening. it's been a feature of all my conversations and i'm very pleased that that will now imminently happen. we