sir bobby charlton, who has passed away at the age of 86. earlier today. all of that, plus lots of conversation from my in—studio panellist and good friend tanya buxton. but first of all, a round up of the news from lisa hartle . from lisa hartle. >> i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. the uk is calling on israel to show military restraint with its war in with with its war with hamas . with its war with hamas. addressing a peace summit in egypt, addressing a peace summit in egypt , the addressing a peace summit in egypt, the foreign addressing a peace summit in egypt , the foreign secretary egypt, the foreign secretary said he's spoken to the israeli government about its duty to respect international law and the importance of preserving civilian lives. james cleverly also told the conference efforts need to be made to prevent an escalation in violence. >> we have a duty , a duty to >> we have a duty, a duty to work together to prevent

instability from engulfing the region and claiming yet more lives. we must work together to prevent the tragic situation in gaza to becoming a regional conflict because that is exactly what hamas wants . what hamas wants. >> trucks carrying humanity . an >> trucks carrying humanity. an aid have now reached southern gaza. it's after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. israel imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel after the hamas terror attack . the group says today's attack. the group says today's delivery won't be enough to change the catastrophic medical conditions on the strip . the un conditions on the strip. the un secretary general, antonio guterres, told the peace summit palestine does need more help . palestine does need more help. >> food trucks on one side, empty stomachs on the other. those trucks need to move as quickly as possible in a massive sustained and safe way from egypt into gaza . a 20 truck

egypt into gaza. a 20 truck convoy of the egyptian red crescent is moving today . and i crescent is moving today. and i want to express my deep gratitude to egypt for the essential role egypt is playing in this regard . but the people in this regard. but the people of gaza need a commitment for much, much more. a continuous delivery of aid to gaza at the scale that is needed . scale that is needed. >> meanwhile, israel's prime minister has vowed to continue to fight until all the hostages being held by hamas are freed . being held by hamas are freed. it's after two american citizens judith raanan and her 17 year old daughter, natalie, were released yesterday. hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds. it's believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group . in the uk, terrorist group. in the uk, there's been a large pro—palestinian rally . the met pro—palestinian rally. the met police estimates up to 100,000 people marched through central london. they're calling for an end to the conflict in the

middle east. and demanding the government stop supporting israel's actions. palestine solidarity campaign director ben jamal says enough is enough. >> we want the violence to end. so we're calling for an immediate ceasefire. so that necessary humanitarian aid can be safely delivered to the people of gaza. we are here today to assert the truth that violence will ultimately not end until you address the root causes of violence, and that is israel's decades long imposition of a system of military occupation and apartheid upon the people of palestine . and we the people of palestine. and we are marching to downing street to deliver a message to our political leadership that you need to end your complicit support for this system of oppression in. >> in other news, tributes are being paid to sir bobby charlton, who has died at the age of 86. he was a key member of england's world cup, winning team in 1966 and a club legend at manchester united. his family said he passed peacefully in the early hours of this morning . in

early hours of this morning. in a statement, united described sir bobby as one of the greatest and most beloved players in the history of the club . sir geoff history of the club. sir geoff hurst, now the last of the 1966 team, said he'll be sorely missed by all of the country . missed by all of the country. the environment agency is warning floods are likely to continue near major rivers in england until tuesday . storm england until tuesday. storm babet is dumping heavy rain in parts of the east midlands and south yorkshire. london, north eastern railway is advising people not to travel today because of severe disruption across the country. derby city council says it's experiencing the highest recorded water levels of the river dennent as roads were flooded across the city. recycling in england will be standardised from 2026. the plan will see homes, businesses and schools recycling the same materials as there will also be a once a week minimum food waste collection to reduce the amount going to landfill . it's all part going to landfill. it's all part of the government's drive to simplify the process . this is gb

simplify the process. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . neil >> anyone fearful about the state and fate of the world tonight is welcome to stand beside me. any one devastated and dismayed . by the seeming and dismayed. by the seeming tailspin into hell can share that feeling with me. anyone feeling helpless in the face of unfolding events , anyone feeling unfolding events, anyone feeling they're not enough that they don't matter enough to make a difference , then come and be difference, then come and be with me. anyone wondering, doubting if humanity has learned much of real worth in the last 100 years? indeed, ever . i 100 years? indeed, ever. i should know i feel the same way for the past few years we've been marched from bad to worse by people who are bad and getting worse every day. anyone feeling sick at heart on account

of how the so called decision makers seem hell bent on taking instead of giving anyone feeling enraged by how those characters seem determined to suck, the very joy out of the lives of everyday people , if not to snuff everyday people, if not to snuff out life itself should know that i feel all of that as well. when it comes right down to it all, i really have to offer is the question a child might ask, which is why? why the decision makers already had their vast wealth. the power to indulge their every whim. they already owned most of everything and looked out on populations whose heads mostly down shoulders heads were mostly down shoulders to the wheel, just making ends meet. and yet that was not enough. enough to have them enough. not enough to have them leave us be. anyone who watched the daylight robbery of our rights and freedoms and who looked on helplessly at the deliberate sacrifice of physical and mental health on the altar of a supposed pandemic who understands totalitarian understands the totalitarian power over our lives being sought right now by the world health organisation who watched the segway into war in

the easy segway into war in ukraine with half a million dead ukrainians and counting and thousands upon thousands of dead russians, anyone who sees and fears the drive towards forever war. and yet knows. knows because it's obvious that the united states of america is in no position to fight simultaneous wars in ukraine and the middle east when that nation apparently cannot even defend its own southern border can share those doubts with me . share those doubts with me. anyone who thinks the rest of the west surely can't defend itself either, when all its might and money has been shipped to ukraine or flushed down the toilet in pursuit of net zero. anyone who writhes in disbelief at the realisation that our leaders care only about boosting the profits of arms dealers and drug dealers can come and sit with me. any one here in the uk who looks on at rishi sunak and keir starmer, our prime minister and our leader of the opposition and our leader of the opposition and shudders at the thought and asks how in the name of all that's holy, did find that's holy, did we find ourselves choose ourselves asked to choose between who their between two men who by their every failed? the

every action, have failed? the people this country in every people of this country in every measurable way ? join by all measurable way? join me. by all means . neither of those puppets means. neither of those puppets and their ilk represents the people , you and me. they have no people, you and me. they have no intention of representing the people. instead they obey on their knees commandments of their knees the commandments of their knees the commandments of the corporate gods. they worship an mp worth knowing. andrew bridgen fought tooth and nail for a debate on excess deaths. the undeniable truth that more people of all ages are dying every every when every day, every day when compared to previous years. 20 times. he asked for that debate before it finally happened. and this week he stood in an all but empty chamber , the guilty empty chamber, the guilty parties staying away in droves , parties staying away in droves, almost in their entirety, while one man asked questions about life and death that none of his colleagues cared to contemplate, far less answer. who are these spineless, graceless nonentities? why should we regard them far less listened to a word from any of their mealy mouths, supposing their snouts were out of the trough long were ever out of the trough long enough any of them to listen enough for any of them to listen far speak? or is that far less to speak? or is that squeal? now . and now, if

squeal? and now. and now, if you're wondering how much worse things can get, how much worse things can get, how much worse things have to get, and you're looking on tonight at the peoples the old world, the peoples of the old world, the inhabitants of the benighted holy and feeling holy land, and feeling only mounting horror and fear about the vortex of death spinning. there anyone feeling hopeless and sickened and grief stricken in the face of all that can take a seat alongside me . anyone who a seat alongside me. anyone who feels knows that the world is on the cusp of radical and irreversible change and fears the path were being forced down. let me assure you, i fear it too. the poets have known the truth of it. irishman w.b. yeats, born into a country that has known more than its share of spilled blood, horror and grief, was especially clear eyed . was especially clear eyed. things fall apart, he said . the things fall apart, he said. the centre cannot hold mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. the blood dimmed, tide is loosed and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned. the best lack all conviction while the worst, are full of passionate intensity . what rough beast

intensity. and what rough beast its hour come round at last slouches towards bethlehem be slouches towards bethlehem to be born and then again in the stolen child . he imagined a stolen child. he imagined a youngster snatched away from the world the living. a world world of the living. a world more full of weeping, he wrote, than understand how true than he can understand how true is that for all children that the world is more full of weeping than they than we could ever understand. and how can we endeavour to understand what's happening now ? the endless happening now? the endless sadness of lost children and dead children. and they're all our children. in the end, what are we then? who are we? then and by we, i mean our species that we call humankind . that we call humankind. depending on what you read and what you believe, we may have been here upon this earth for 200,000 years. our fortunes have waxed and waned. there are apparently 8 billion of us alive all at once right now. this moment, we're capable of anything and everything. some human hands painted the ceiling of the sistine chapel. others torture and murder. their fellow human beings without a care in the world. a human mind came up

with burn, baby, burn. another wrote , thanks to the human heart wrote, thanks to the human heart by which we live, thanks to its tenderness , its joys and fears. tenderness, its joys and fears. to me , the meanest flower that to me, the meanest flower that blows can give thoughts that do often lie too deep tears. often lie too deep for tears. how is it that both those thoughts are side by side in the human soul where angels and demons both , as it turns out , i demons both, as it turns out, i just look on tonight at more and more of those dreadful images made so hellishly familiar across the years of my lifetime of pale , dry concrete buildings of pale, dry concrete buildings blasted and shattered into shards shrouded in dust, clouds and littered with the bodies of infants splashed with blood, with old blood and new blood. sometimes the likes of you and me can only look out at the world and share with one another the desperation of not knowing what to do. what's to be done, wondering if there's anything that can be done. sometimes the most anyone of us can do is keep going in hopes of better days. in 1848, an english magazine carried the following story.

when an eastern sage was desired by his sultan to ascribe inscribed on a ring the sentiment which, amidst the perpetual change of human affairs, was most descriptive of the real tendency . he engraved the real tendency. he engraved on it the words this too shall passis on it the words this too shall pass is that all there is for you and me tonight? the hope that this too shall pass. all i mean to do then is declare fellowship with those who are looking the world and looking out at the world and feeling little more than helpless the english helpless sadness. the english artist and writer mervyn peake was by a newspaper was sent by a british newspaper to the liberation of to record the liberation of bergen—belsen concentration camp in 1945. among much else, he watched a little girl die of tuberculosis there before his eyes, chalk white arms and the pillows hardly creased by the tapping of her little cough, jerked head her limbs like pipes her head, a china skull . then her head, a china skull. then where is mercy ? what a question. where is mercy? what a question. perhaps the only question worth asking tonight. perhaps the only question worth asking tonight . where is mercy asking tonight. where is mercy in the west? we used to tell ourselves that we lived by christian values . by the way,

christian values. by the way, we've gone about being christians in recent decades. centuries really has been, i would say , a negation of the would say, a negation of the christianity of jesus christ. read the words of his sermon on the mount and ask yourself if it's christ's christianity that you see around you in the words you see around you in the words you read and hear all around. bless it. are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled . blessed are the filled. blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. blessed the pure in mercy. blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see. god bless it are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children bless it. are children of god bless it. are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of instead is the kingdom of heaven instead of all that, we get one war after another and full throated calls for yet more war after that , we're enthralled to a that, we're enthralled to a military industrial complex and war is its answer to every question in much the same way that if the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to treat everything like a nail. after all these centuries since jesus christ, more than two millennia. in fact, it seems that only god

too want worship is a too many want to worship is a vengeful god. when mahatma gandhl vengeful god. when mahatma gandhi, controversial figure, though he was died in 1948 for lucifer. hyam greenbaum , he lucifer. hyam greenbaum, he wrote about his passing and said that as well as a readiness for sacrifice , there should also be sacrifice, there should also be an urge to keep life holy, not to preserve sanctity, shut away in a special tabernacle to be opened only at intervals and then sealed away once more, but to keep the source of sanctity always open and let it shine forth into the everyday . if forth into the everyday. if only, if only. but that's not the way of humanity . not 2000 the way of humanity. not 2000 years ago, and not now . vengeful years ago, and not now. vengeful gods are always in the business of an eye for an eye. but as gandhi observed, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind in the end. isn't that the truth? a world made blind by its own hand. christians jews, hindus, jews, muslims , sikhs, hindus, jews, muslims, sikhs, buddhists. the whole lot of us. how can we look each other in the eye when we've yet to look ourselves in the eye? so much death supposedly , in the name of

death supposedly, in the name of god, he must look down on his creation and wonder why he bothered. here's the thing. in the face of all of it, if there is to be hope and there's always hope, then i say we must trust that all those of us struggling with all that we have to with all that we see have to keep faith that there be keep the faith that there can be and shall be better days. we cannot must not blind cannot and must not turn blind eyes and deaf to any wrong. eyes and deaf ears to any wrong. we must maintain the courage to stand side against evil. we must maintain the courage to stanevil side against evil. we must maintain the courage to stan evil perpetrated jainst evil. we must maintain the courage to stanevil perpetrated bylst evil. we must maintain the courage to stanevil perpetrated by anyone. any evil perpetrated by anyone. i do know there's more than me tonight awaiting for the advent of the better angels of our nature. in the end , all i can nature. in the end, all i can really say to all those is hoping for the best while watching the worst is i hear you . that's just my thoughts. you're free to disagree . keep you're free to disagree. keep tweeting and emailing all through the show. you can email gbviews@gbnews.uk . you can tweet gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news and i'll try to get to comments later in

the show. if time allows. join me tonight, the author, columnist , presenter me tonight, the author, columnist, presenter and friend tanya buxton. tanya how do you feel tonight ? feel tonight? >> you just spoke my words. i'm grief stricken , i'm hopeless, grief stricken, i'm hopeless, i'm despot . i grief stricken, i'm hopeless, i'm despot. i don't know grief stricken, i'm hopeless, i'm despot . i don't know what to i'm despot. i don't know what to do, you know? and it's a fear that clutches your heart. anyone with humanity and in particular mothers are feeling the pain of all mothers. and i don't know what to do. i don't know how to behave. one minute i'm raging with anger from both sides, but mainly i'm raging with anger with the people that have the control of our lives . i have no control of our lives. i have no trust in them . trust in them. >> i feel that. and there's been a few moments over the last few years where when it's felt as if something fragile was was coming together as some kind of united, coherent opposition . as soon as coherent opposition. as soon as it started to form. it's just

rent asunder, blown apart. and it happens . and it happens and it happens. and it happens and it happens. and it happens and it happens. and you think is that the plan? anytime enough of us look like we're coming together across divides , it all together across divides, it all gets thrown away again . gets thrown away again. >> well, i mean, if you if you look at the abraham accords and things that were happening then and i'm not a political and i'm not i'm not a political expert, but a cypriot. and expert, but i am a cypriot. and so i've lived in a torn so i've lived in a war torn country a divided country , country or a divided country, been divided for 50 years. so i understand. and of what it understand. and a lot of what it means but every time there are means. but every time there are some talks that look like they're going to take you a closer understanding of different cultures and an understanding of living together , something like this happens andits , something like this happens and it's not an accident, is it? and that's the problem is that i've i don't believe it's an accident. and i don't trust the people that are in charge of doing the jobs, of looking after us. and making peace. i don't believe they want to make peace . believe they want to make peace. i believe that this this world is the people that are in charge

benefit more. if we live in turmoil . turmoil. >> i ask the question in my opening remarks why ? you know, opening remarks why? you know, when i look back just a few years, i feel as if well , things years, i feel as if well, things were things were were better . were things were were better. for some people, maybe for more people. and that that just seems to have been deliberately undermined. so that people are you and me and so many people that i talk to every day just exist in this perpetual state of anxiety, just waiting for the next shoe to drop, or to you till see how much worse till you see how much worse things can get. till you see how much worse thiri|s can get. till you see how much worse thiri mean, jet. till you see how much worse thiri mean, this has been going >> i mean, this has been going on forever, but for me, i can trace it. i didn't get involved with brexit. i'm not a political person. i couldn't care less. i really the but really couldn't at the time. but covid and lockdown made me have to me have to get to wake up, made me have to get involved. the hindsight is involved. and the hindsight is what we saw very clearly, clearly during time is that clearly during that time is that lockdowns are only going to do more harm. people are going to die from lockdowns die more from lockdowns than they would virus they ever would from this virus or that is killing. average age is 82 years 86. i think. so

is 82 years old, 86. i think. so we that's when we all realised that something was going on. and honestly, since then, so since march 2020, for me, i have had a clutching of my heart out of not understanding what's going on, not understanding why people are suffering this this war now , i suffering this this war now, i didn't understand. i still don't understand what's going on in ukraine. but this particular war is so brutal and so gruesome that the men in charge have to stop it from perpetuating itself . we're continually the someone . . we're continually the someone. >> it feels that someone somewhere is continually finding more and more appalling ways to set us at each other's throats. you know , we're always being in you know, we're always being in told increasingly, vehemently that we have to pick sides that the time for discussion has passed and pick a side and the very act of asking questions and revealing doubt is to invite

condemnation . condemnation. >> absolutely. i've had so much condemnation i cannot bear what happened, what hamas did in israel. i cannot stomach it. it was it was beyond cruel. and i'm reading reports that are pure evil, just pure evil . but i evil, just pure evil. but i don't want the mothers of gaza, the children of gaza, to suffer either . i the children of gaza, to suffer either. i don't the children of gaza, to suffer either . i don't want them to be either. i don't want them to be rained down in fear. but that evil walks among us, hamas to me are pure evil . they have to be are pure evil. they have to be gone. so i've said both these sentences, i'm going to get hate from all sides . you're not from all sides. you're not allowed to have any understanding of all sides. what i don't understand, and i've said this to you is i don't understand why the jewish people of britain are worrying about their safety when something that's gone on in israel, that's been done by hamas , that's been done by hamas, that's wrong. the jewish mothers, wrong. those the jewish mothers, my neighbours, my friends , is my neighbours, my friends, is are not didn't send their children to school on friday because they were fearful of attacks. how can that be right?

people living and living people living and people living in every where just is it in fear every where just is it just my heart breaks for all of them have to go into a break now, after which i'll be to talking brett weinstein and he's an evolutionary biologist and he has a take on what all of this might suggest, what this might mean for humankind as a species .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live. i can freely say that i've lost long since all faith in politics and politicians to lead us to better days. if i'm right and the politicians are a lost cause, who can help us find a way, the way . with that in mind, way, the way. with that in mind, look for ideas and opinions in other places from other people . other places from other people. my first guest ready to contemplate the developing hellscape in the middle east is evolutionary biologist bret

weinstein . bret joins me now. weinstein. bret joins me now. i hope. are you there, bret ? hope. are you there, bret? >> i'm here. it's very good to be with you, neal. good evening, sir. >> good to see you. now, bret, you've spent your career studying, among others, the human species is humankind at a crossroads or indeed on the edge of a precipice right now? >> unquestionably. and i think there's something about the current crisis in the middle east that makes it particularly hard to see. there's one layer of this crisis that is absolutely perfectly clear . the absolutely perfectly clear. the perpetrators of the crime, hamas, is simply guilty of a notorious violation , a notorious violation, a deliberately barbaric attack against people who were absolutely innocent . but the absolutely innocent. but the clarity of that layer is obscuring a higher set of patterns that we must be paying attention to . and i will try to attention to. and i will try to put it in context. you jump in

and ask questions. if there necessary . there are two necessary. there are two evolutionary reasons that people cooperate and really this could be true for any creature for one of those reasons is because of shared genes . the other reason shared genes. the other reason is because of reciprocity and the fact that one can profit by partnering with other individuals who bring something valuable to the table. society can be based on either of these, but for almost the entirety of human history, lineage against uneage human history, lineage against lineage competition was the reason for people to group in the way that they did that has given way to a different mode of collaboration very late in history. the cosmopop west in the cosmopolitan west, although we've never achieved it perfectly, we aspire higher to put our genetic relatedness aside and collaborate with those who are ready to collaborate with us. and the world is caught in a tension between these two modes. the problem is that in

good times , as this mode of good times, as this mode of collaboration , the cosmopolitan collaboration, the cosmopolitan west and the reciprocity see that it depends on functions very well. it makes a safer, fairer , more enlightened world. fairer, more enlightened world. it's one that anyone would desire if they could see the comparison. but but the problem is that as times turn to be not so good, it collapses into the much more stable lineage against uneage much more stable lineage against lineage displacement and that's where we are. and unfortunately , where we are. and unfortunately, the middle east is a flashpoint where this tension is, especially likely to kick over into the lineage versus lineage mode and to drag the rest of the world along with it, something from which i think we might not emerge. >> if i can jump in there, brett, it seems it seems to me, and i'm sure it seems to you and others that we are much too dangerous to each other now. you know, you're talking about times in of years in the past, hundreds of years ago, of years ago, ago, thousands of years ago, where the threat we to one where the threat we posed to one another the existential level

another at the existential level was was limited by hardware and the things the rest of it. but as things are right now , too many of us in are right now, too many of us in the in the different in the different groups have too much potential to create global catastrophe . we can't let that catastrophe. we can't let that we can't allow those forces to be unleashed against one another. >> that's absolutely right. human groups have driven each other extinct previously . but other extinct previously. but the way the earth is currently configured , we are so configured, we are so interdependent . there are so interdependent. there are so many of us. the systems on which we depend are so complex and the weaponry we have at our disposal is so ferocious that that historical pattern of lineage versus lineage displacement will not only be a tragedy, but it threatens to drive our species to extinction. >> i have guests in the studio with me. tonya, you listen to that and it forces you to sort of pull back and look at the whole situation from from a different from a different perspective of, you know, how do you hearing an evolutionary

you feel hearing an evolutionary biologist that we're in biologist suggest that we're in danger of wiping ing other danger of wiping ing each other out? danger of wiping ing each other outbut feel that now anyway, i >> but i feel that now anyway, i feel that that's what's going on. but the question is, is how do we stop that from happening? because that lineage, because whatever that lineage, that kind of tribalism that we have right. we've just have, you're right. we've just resorted straight back to it. how do we stop ourselves from doing that? because i think that those that manipulating those that are manipulating us from are doing this on from up above are doing this on purpose much more purpose because we're much more controllable when we're in these little groups own. so little groups of our own. so what i would like to know i want the question is how do we stop this from happening? what can we do? >> brett from from an evolutionary biologists point of view, where do the answers lie ? view, where do the answers lie? well, i think there are two patterns that we need to pay attention to. >> one is that there have been many experiments with this cosmopolitan reciprocity structure for society, including in the middle east. there have been experiments with this in turkey. there have been

experiments in iran, in iraq . experiments in iran, in iraq. israel certainly has one foot very solidly in the modern west, and i believe a majority of israelis aspire to join the modern west fully. so these experiments have to be protected and fostered when they arise . and fostered when they arise. and then the other thing to pay attention to is what causes that mode that superior mode of civilisation to break down is scarcity. and the reason that we have scarcity has to do with the way resource sources are hoarded by certain factions. so when you talk about people who may have an interest in us battling, the reason to do it is so that they do not lose power and they are capable of taking more of their share of resources. so in effect, they have absorbed the abundance that might the abundance that might cause the entire default into entire world to default into this better mode . this better mode. >> is there are there are there lessons to be learned from the way things have unfolded over

the last three years? you know, for example, i would say that israel, people of israel, israel, the people of israel, experienced some of the most draconian conditions during dunng draconian conditions during during the covid adventure. you're compared to any other country in the world. you know, are there lessons about a direction of travel in the way in which populations jews are being used and even misused by their own government ? their own government? >> yes, i think there is a very powerful, if difficult to accept lesson. we can see in what the israeli government did to the israeli government did to the israeli population over covid and what we saw in many other parts of the world that our leaders are not necessarily on our side . and that that means our side. and that that means that at the point that we are called to waive particular flags, we may be at cross purposes with ourselves. it is truly the case that for the population of the world, this superior cosmo politan western approach to collaborating with

each other would provide a higher quality of life . it would higher quality of life. it would make us all richer. and the question is, if those who have power over us have a contrary interest because they wish to take more than their share than we are at some level going to have to confront them . but what have to confront them. but what we've seen following the events of october 7th in israel is that the coalition, as you described in your monologue co coalition that was forming in the aftermath of covid as the scales had fallen from our collective eyes has been fragment tainted. and it almost feels deliberate that this particular issue is going to take a group of people who had learned to speak to each other and it is going to make it impossible for them to recognise each other as fellows anymore. and that is a disaster. >> bret weinstein, evolutionary biologist. sorry, time is biologist. i'm sorry, time is against me. i've run out of time with you, but thank you so much for a completely different take on thanks for on the situation. thanks for bringing us this evening bringing that to us this evening and i'll hope have the

and i'll hope to have the opportunity to pick up this conversation you again in conversation with you again in the thank bret the future. thank you. bret weinstein . greg you listen to weinstein. greg you listen to that. weinstein. greg you listen to that . you're weinstein. greg you listen to that. you're obviously you're you're a american citizen . and you're a american citizen. and how do you feel contemplating your nation being pulled into another dreadful conflagration ? another dreadful conflagration? >> this could be a disaster. if you look at it specifically, because we're not ready , because we're not ready, frankly. and you know, the role of government is to defend their citizens , is and to look after citizens, is and to look after their currency, you know, just to maintain the currency. it's not meant to run the economy or manage the economy or tell children they can't go to school or tell people they can't run their business or wear a mask or get a vaccine that's not the role of government. but what's happened the justin happened with the justin trudeau's and the joe biden's of the and guilty as the world and guilty here as well in uk, you know, where well in the uk, you know, where well in the uk, you know, where we found ourselves going to a believe it or not, a blue state in america to get away from the draconian lockdowns here. now

that's a sad state of affairs, at least in america. we have the federal system. so you could you could have free states and not so free states. so the point is, the government, both in israel and in the us and canada and the uk, they failed to stick to those two major things, protect your citizens, meaning have a military that's that is a deterrent to evil and maintain the currency . but instead they the currency. but instead they wrecked the currency. canada us, uk. they wrecked the currency. guess who suffers from that? not me. it's people that work and that actually drive to work and have to earn a living. real wages went down 24 months in a row, so they're paying for it. so where are your mask? your kids are not learning. don't go to work. but and then even when it came back, they wrecked the so they're ruining the lives of the people, and yet they're not defending the borders. they're not looking. so that's why we

have this situation an there's no deterrence. >> greg, we'll be picking this conversation up after this next break. get we break. but we have to get we have to get across another break. so join us in a couple of minutes

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live. i'm joined in the studio by greg swenson, the chair of republicans overseas and also by author and commentator tanya buxton. we've been talking about the evolving situation in the middle east, and we're going to continue that now, greg, if i can put you on the spot, what advice would you give the white house if you were invited? so to do, what would you tell them as they look on at that situation? i would say stick with what you've done so far in terms of what you're saying . what you're saying. >> leave off the i hate america.

i hate israel because that's what biden did in the second half of his speech. the oval office speech was necessary. it's a grave enough moment and it deserves an oval office speech. he started with, we need to we need to rearm. we need to look after our allies. we have to do the right thing. we have to do the right thing. we have to defeat evil. all good. and he actually mentioned iran finally, which he had quite deliberately not mentioned the first two weeks, then went into weeks, but but then he went into the america is bad inherently racist . but israel is not racist. but israel is not proportionate in the way they defend themselves. all that stuff, all that, all that kind of, you know, why are you down on america? america is a greater force for good. it's the greatest force for good in terms of defending the world. so stick with being positive about america. and we're going to do the right thing. and then you have to act. >> but unfortunately, you still can you still stand by that, greg, after all these decades, after all these wars, after all of these millions of civilians who have died in every other

corner of the world because of american foreign policy . right. american foreign policy. right. is it is it realistic to continue to say that america is a is a force for good and peace in the world? >> absolutely. i mean, and i'm not saying it just because i'm not saying itjust because i'm a patriot, because if you look at how can it be? because look, look at if we want to pick the biggest one of all, world war ii, where this this the arsenal of democracy, we came the of democracy, we came to the rescue of the world of the good except except it was war. except except it was the war. >> then except it was the >> okay. then except it was the red defeated in europe. >> well, yeah, we can could >> well, yeah, we can we could get into details, but to get get into the details, but to get back to the specifics, i mean, history, ironically, i mean, correct if i'm wrong, but correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't hasn't been haven't hasn't it been the assumed us president assumed role of us president down through the decades of trouble in the middle east to seek damp down the fire and seek to damp down the fire and rather than to rather than to encourage any kind of stoking of the flames ? the flames? >> and biden once again , seems >> and biden once again, seems to be failing in that fundamental role of let's try and minimise the hurt here.

>> i think he's done some of that. he has said, you know, what's you know, beware , care, what's you know, beware, care, don't, don't go in, let's wait for the hostages. and i think their first impulse was to dial it down and blinken came out of the gates on that saturday morning and then they took down the they they they the tweet because they they they demonstrate weakness. and i think here's what i'm getting at. yes. it's not perfect. it's an imperfect vehicle for the us military. but it is the greater force for good. do they make mistakes? of course. but i'll look at the 80s right? >> in greater the greater force for good. >> that america or britain are at all greater forces for good. ihave. at all greater forces for good. i have . i now truly believe in i have. i now truly believe in my heart. this is my opinion that any war that they go into is about making money. i don't believe it has anything to do with peace because you just you've just got to look at the people who are in power and who benefit . those that benefited benefit. those that benefited from big pharma , those that are

from big pharma, those that are benefiting from the arms deals. it's the people that are in power. it's a conflicted , it's power. it's a conflicted, it's sinister, and there's no way could you call it the force for good? not in a million years. i'm so sorry. because. >> because we. because the us and the west and the west committed to forever war. >> isn't that the reality at the moment? because that's that's how keep balance sheets how they keep the balance sheets ticking over it. >> and reagan >> thatcher and ronald reagan did defeated the did in the 80s defeated the soviet union without firing a shot. they fired some shots in el salvador and nicaragua. yes. okay there were some proxy wars going on, but but really, there was no nuclear annihilation . was no nuclear annihilation. this was look what what biden has done. and when presidents make these mistakes and i think we can say that israel has made this mistake more recently is peace through strength ? the best peace through strength? the best way to avoid war? is to prepare for war. i'm not saying that afghanistan was a good idea or iraq was a good idea. i'm saying if you stay out of trouble. but prepare for war, it's peace

through strength. and that works. and when you when you don't do that, when you when you're too busy masking and taxing and creating scarcity as as brett mentioned earlier, if you're too busy doing that, instead of defending your country, we have 7 million illegals coming into america , illegals coming into america, coming into the united states. that means the government has fallen down on its primary role, which is to defend the borders, defend your citizens. and the best way to do that is with demand , stable military strength demand, stable military strength and i'm not advocating using it unless provoked, unless provoked. >> but how can you come back from people like blair, who took us to war on a lie? you know, how can we come back from that? i agree with you. but, you know, you've got to have your strength but not when you're using those strengths. on lies to make. >> i wish had the crystal ball >> i wish i had the crystal ball all the time, but we didn't. we didn't. >> so anyway, don't think >> so anyway, i don't think there's any way out of of there's any way out of the of there's any way out of the of the of the bigger mess until we actually do admit ourselves actually do admit to ourselves

as that the as as the west that we the people been oblivious or people have been oblivious or misled and misguided by our apparent leaders is without a doubt that it's been one war after another. and we were told it was about the defence of democracy or it was about this, that or the next thing, when in reality i think the balance sheet that these wars have sheet shows that these wars have been provoked prosecute bid been provoked and prosecute bid to make money for the people who always make money out of war. and i think the days of declaring that america and the west are the are the force for goodin west are the are the force for good in the world at we've got to move on. >> i think maybe too i'm much of an optimist, but i think i'm not saying it's perfect and i'm not saying it's perfect and i'm not saying there are people saying that there are people that but thank that profit from it. but thank god it, because if we god we have it, because if we didn't, we'd be speaking german or we'd be or there'd or russian or we'd be or there'd be the carnage. be more of the carnage. >> i'm to have to i'm >> i'm going to have to i'm going to have to go back because we more we have we have more recently, we have another upon us, another break that's upon us, after and finally, at the after which. and finally, at the end of show, we'll be end of the show, we'll be getting a look career getting to a look at the career of 1966 world cup winning legend sir charlton. with

us welcome back to neil oliver live, where, as always, we have too little time to air the opinions and get to the meat of the matter. however, we're discussing the middle east. greg if i can come back to you , don't if i can come back to you, don't we also have to face the fact that a profoundly different that it's a profoundly different world now? you know, the arab world now? you know, the arab world is not completely united, but it's more united in many ways than it has been in the past. when confronted by the west , you've got turkey has west, you've got turkey has 2 million fighting men , you know, million fighting men, you know, ready to do whatever they're called upon to do. we've got 130,000 hezbollah rockets , you 130,000 hezbollah rockets, you know, pointed to wherever they're pointed. yeah it's america cannot cannot realistically face up to the threat that's out there now in the old traditional way. well, the old traditional way. well,

the best way is to have alliances and friends and allies i >>i >> i mean, obviously, america can't do it all. and it might have been more capable of that. a generation or two ago, but not anymore. so i think i'm not saying that america should make the decisions and police the world and police the seaways. but but i think that what we saw in the last two weeks or maybe the last two years is, is people have have finally are finally seeing what a world looks like without american deterrence . okay. >> okay. what do you think then, tony, of that? are we seeing the world without the american deterrence? >> and if so, i don't think that's the reason that we're seeing this world. i just don't seeing this world. i just don't see i think that if britain and america hadn't have stepped in and muddled water, that they'd had no business being in, we wouldn't be in this situation. i completely agree with having enough milk power defend enough milk power to defend ourselves. not we will never ourselves. but not we will never have enough military power where we poking at other people's we keep poking at other people's wasp nests. >> much rather do >> yeah, i would much rather do it through economic cooperation .

it through economic cooperation. the abraham accords. great, great example. we saw that dunng great example. we saw that during the trump years. we're on the verge on the verge of a deal between the saudis and the israelis that would have been fantastic. >> that's why this timing is so sinister. >> you still need to carry a big stick. and i think that, you know, the hopefully there will be this this thing won't grow be no this this thing won't grow beyond the conflict the way it is right now. there's a great risk that it will. and nobody wants but i still would wants that. but i still would argue that that the deterrence or the lack thereof in the last two years is what gave the opportunity for these evil people to do what they did to hencote means i've got to i've got to wind up there. >> that's all from me this week. thanks guests my thanks to my guests tonight, my fabulous panellists, tanya buxton, always, buxton, greg swensen, as always, last all this evening, last of all this evening, though, the legendary england footballer charlton footballer sir bobby charlton has at age of has passed away at the age of 86, and felt it fitting 86, and i felt it only fitting to end with a tribute to end the show with a tribute to end the show with a tribute to an extraordinary man that's all for me. see you next week . all for me. see you next week. >> the greatest moment in

engush >> the greatest moment in english football, sir bobby charlton following captain bobby moore to collect the 1966 world cup trophy from the queen at wembley . the defining moment in wembley. the defining moment in the career of one of england's greatest footballers. >> i'm a football romantic. i love football. and there are there are millions, millions like me, to which this place is the focal point of the whole world. you know, you know, you speak to people like pele, you know, and beckenbauer and the highlight of their careers was when they played at wembley for the first time. >> born the son of a coal miner in northumberland in 1937, bobby said the only choices open to him were the mines. the navy or football . thankfully for the football. thankfully for the world, he pursued the latter . world, he pursued the latter. charlton's death leaves sir geoff hurst as the only surviving member of the team that won the world cup at just

20 years old. a young bobby charlton was one of the busby babes involved in the 1958 munich air crash . he survived, munich air crash. he survived, although 23 lives were lost , although 23 lives were lost, including those of eight united team members up until his own death , he remained the last death, he remained the last surviving member of that crash . surviving member of that crash. >> aligncenter and bobby charlton slams the ball home. >> bobby charlton was named in the england squad for four world cups at the time of his retirement from the england team in 1970. he was the nation's most capped player , having most capped player, having turned out 106 times at the highest level with 249 goals. he was manchester united's highest all time goal scorer for more than 40 years. he was also england highest goal scorer for 45 years in a glittering career, sir won bobby three league championships and fa cup and a european cup with manchester

united . he remained a director united. he remained a director at the club for many years . at the club for many years. >> bobby charlton was the player who gave us that elite, world class quality, which enables you to go and win tournaments. and don't forget the soccer school. dave beckham came effectively was brought to the attention an by his participation and involvement in the bobby charlton soccer schools . charlton soccer schools. >> in 1994, charlton became sir bobby when he was knighted by queen elizabeth, and he continued to act as an ambassador for british sport. i'm a footballer and didn'tjust i'm a footballer and didn't just tried my best and hoped that my ability was was good enough to get me some success, which i've been lucky enough to have done. >> he helped to promote london's successful bid for the 2012 olympics. this is such a fun place and people love london and people love london and we get them here and we'll give them such a fantastic time. >> in his personal life, bobby

wife norma ball in 1961. they had two daughters, suzanne and andrea , in november 2020, it was andrea, in november 2020, it was revealed that sir bobby charlton had been diagnosed with dementia, as did several of his 1966 team—mates as he stepped back from public life and has rarely been seen in recent years as sir bobby charlton will remain a name synonymous with the beautiful game . the beautiful game. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, for much of the uk, it's going to be a dry day, especially for parts of scotland and all of us should see some sunshine. we are still dominated by this area of low pressure, so we will continue see risk we will continue to see the risk of some showers. but we certainly will lose the heavy and persistent rain which we have seen last few have seen over the last few days. the last of that move days. the last of that will move up into parts of orkney and shetland so most of

shetland overnight. so most of us picture. still us seeing a drier picture. still the risk of some showers across western over towards the western parts over towards the east see a few mist east could just see a few mist and patches forming. and in and fog patches forming. and in the could the countryside could see temperatures into mid temperatures falling into mid single figures . so we start single figures. so we start sunday off with potentially a few mist and fog patches, but they will quickly clear and then for many it is a much drier and brighter day. still, the risk of some showers across western parts. they may just parts. they may well just creep a bit further east from a little bit further east from time to time. but basically the further the further east you are, the greater of staying dry greater chance of staying dry throughout day. temps throughout the day. temps archers in the north very similar to what we've seen recently , tends to 12 degrees, recently, tends to 12 degrees, potentially up to about 15 degrees in the south, heading into monday, a dry start for most, into monday, a dry start for most , potentially a frosty most, potentially a frosty start, actually for scotland as we go through the course of the day. outbreaks of rain will come close to parts of northern ireland. and then later on we then see band of rain working then see a band of rain working in southern of in across southern parts of england sets us england and that really sets us up another unsettled spell up for another unsettled spell as go towards middle of as we go towards the middle of the week .

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