to leave warning to residents to leave the area. leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip, saying if they stayed, they may be identified as terrorist sympathisers . the health sympathisers. the health ministry says more than 4600 people have been killed in gaza since the incursion earlier , since the incursion earlier, prime minister benjamin netanyahu told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country . against hamas is do or die for his country. in london, around 20,000 people have attended an israel solidarity rally in trafalgar square. the bring them home protest called for the release of all hostages being held by hamas. the israel defence forces says 218 people are being detained in gaza. two people were arrested for allegedly shouting abuse at the vigil . it comes after days of vigil. it comes after days of pro—palestine indian protests in cities across the country . in cities across the country. in other in other news, the environment agency says 1250 properties have been flooded in the wake of storm babet, the

agency is responding to flooding in derbyshire and nottinghamshire, where some rivers have reached record levels . and severe flood levels. and severe flood warnings have now been lifted on the river dennent and the river idle, but more flooding is possible for parts of england until wednesday. four people have died during the storm. manchester united has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir bobby charlton. the legendary footballer was a key member of england's world cup winning team in 1966. floral tributes and football shirts have been placed outside the manchester united stadium with his former club, saying he'll always be remembered as a giant of the game . this is gb news of the game. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's time for headliners .

headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners. your first look at monday's papers . i'm andrew monday's papers. i'm andrew doyle and i'm joined on this autumnal evening by a bountiful harvest . host of autumnal evening by a bountiful harvest. host of comedians taking a break from carving his pumpkin is josh howie and fresh from his chestnuts , from roasting his chestnuts, it's kerry marks. how are you both? >> it's very poetic language. >> it's very poetic language. >> it's very poetic language. >> it's a poetic, slightly surreal start to the show. that's what i'm talking about myself and what i've been up to. thank you. exactly. that's what myself and what i've been up to. tfeel. you. exactly. that's what myself and what i've been up to. tfeel. yotrole actly. that's what myself and what i've been up to. tfeel. yotrole is. .y. that's what myself and what i've been up to. tfeel. yotrole is. anyway, what myself and what i've been up to. tfeel. yotrole is. anyway, we're i feel my role is. anyway, we're going to have a look at the start pages start of these front pages for monday. is monday. the daily mail is leading with suella fury at suella fury at met over jihad chants. we're going to get to that in just one moment. the guardian has pressure intensifies on israel to negotiate release of gaza hostage says times is hostage says the times is running with braverman takes on met chief over jihad protest. the express same story suella to quiz met chief on jihadi chants at rally. the eye news has home

office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan and finally the daily star here we grow something to do with a cure for baldness. those were your front pages. baldness. those were your front pages . and we're going to kick pages. and we're going to kick off with monday's guardian. josh, what are they leading with? yeah i mean, over the last couple of weeks, we've seen some pretty what i would argue, very shameful , shoddy journalism, shameful, shoddy journalism, certainly from bbc and sky, who just happened to be our competitors . competitors. >> but that's got nothing to do with it. it's irrelevant. but irrelevant. yeah. about this hostel that bombed and 500 hostel that was bombed and 500 people turns people dead. and then it turns out wasn't hostel bombed out it wasn't the hostel bombed at israel, and at all and it wasn't israel, and it park that had a it was a car park that had a dentin it was a car park that had a dent in it. >> i think trouble that >> i think the trouble is that they are . they were reading hamas are. >> we are. we have >> well, here we are. we have the here with maybe one the guardian here with maybe one of disgraceful of the most disgraceful headunes of the most disgraceful headlines that i've seen in this time, pressure intensive eyes on israel negotiate release of israel to negotiate release of gaza hostages . so if you maybe gaza hostages. so if you maybe

didn't know anything about this, yes. you would think somehow it's israel's or israel it's israel's fault or israel could get them back. and if israel just does this, it's like it's odd way to spin. it's an odd way to spin. >> this isn't it? i mean, it's clearly the hostage takers who are at fault . are at fault. >> yeah. and so it's sort of this this switch, which is what we've seen all the way around, that somehow it's israel to blame the kidnapping, 212 of blame for the kidnapping, 212 of its own. so i have to ask, what can you really do? >> these aren't people who can be reasoned with. >> no, there are people who decapitate babies and things i can't even i don't want to say. it makes me feel so. >> so. so how israel putting >> so. so how can israel putting pressure on israel to do what exactly ? to go and speak to exactly? to go and speak to psychopaths ? how does that work? psychopaths? how does that work? >> reason with >> you can't reason with religious fundamentalists. no, no . and so the idea that this no. and so the idea that this headune no. and so the idea that this headline that somehow israel bears any responsibility for the situation or to , you know, it's situation or to, you know, it's doing what it can to get back its citizens, which is to go in there and to get them back physically. >> i mean it is going to be

tricky, very hard, very . i think tricky, very hard, very. i think two hostages have been released thus far, right? is that right? two, far. but, of course , two, two so far. but, of course, once you a ground invasion, once you have a ground invasion, it's going to be i don't know what they this what else they can do at this point. what else they can do at this poiithey're to release khaled. they've 110 hostages >> they've got 110 hostages to play >> they've got 110 hostages to play 212 is it? play with. so 212 is it? >> so, yeah, i think it's over 200. >> they're going to be able to do for a of pr release to do for a bit of pr release to here to there. >> you say, how do you >> but as you say, how do you negotiate people do negotiate with people who do unspeakable children unspeakable things to children on of that? on top of that? >> know, i know if i was in >> you know, i know if i was in that situation, i'm coward. that situation, i'm a coward. >> be is i would >> i know how i'd be is i would want country to either get me want my country to either get me out or bomb where am right now out or bomb where i am right now and out with me and take them out with me because impossible. because it's just impossible. >> want to have to go >> i don't want to have to go through those kind of those kind of just of conditions are just unthinkable the hostages unthinkable of what the hostages will right now. unthinkable of what the hostages wiliexactly. right now. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> horrible. think of >> horrible. and to think of what going what the families are going through just through at the moment is just but it's also we keep hearing through at the moment is just butoveralso we keep hearing through at the moment is just butover the we keep hearing through at the moment is just butover the place >ep hearing through at the moment is just butover the place aboutaring through at the moment is just butover the place about how all over the place about how israel these or israel has all these hostages or actually what they call prisoners children and babies prisoners of children and babies and on. and so on. >> and it always turns out that these that israel has these children that israel has got beards and got have got beards and submachine guns and are trained ,

submachine guns and are trained, you know, military people . so you know, military people. so what they should be doing is making all the making a list of all the children they claim that israel has under tens little, has children under tens little, little children and put out that list and say, we'll do an exchange let's see list and say, we'll do an excharthose let's see list and say, we'll do an excharthose children et's see list and say, we'll do an excharthose children are. see list and say, we'll do an excharthose children are. ife where those children are. if they , because just where those children are. if they exist. because just don't exist. >> they don't exist. >> they don't exist. >> yeah. i mean , there's been >> yeah. i mean, there's been a lot of cases , like you say, lot of cases, like you say, where the way in which these things are being reported have been strange insofar as i been quite strange insofar as i don't want the newspapers to be taking stuff. taking a stance on this stuff. i want conveyed want the facts conveyed and that's need this that's it. i don't need this kind of subtle well, it's the ideology that we see creeping into other topics that we've covered previously in terms of trans debate , covid lots of just trans debate, covid lots of just everything. now >> well, i think this is it. you people all there's been a shift, i over the last weeks. i feel, over the last few weeks. here's yet more situation here's yet one more situation where people are going, wait a minute, what we're seeing here doesn't correlate to what we're seeing on social media. i don't know. >> i think there's still a large number of people just number of people who just romanticise they believe romanticise what they believe for going be. for sure is going to be. >> i feel more and more

>> but i feel more and more people are waking up. >> but i feel more and more peo but are waking up. >> but i feel more and more peo but those|king up. >> but i feel more and more peo but those peoplei. there's >> but those people and there's also who also the people who really believe get rid of israel. believe that get rid of israel. you're going to have this lovely little gets little area where everyone gets on, to be on, well, there's going to be a democracy, even though there is on, well, there's going to be a de|example even though there is on, well, there's going to be a de|example ofen though there is on, well, there's going to be a de|example of it though there is on, well, there's going to be a de|example of it anywhere. are is on, well, there's going to be a de|example of it anywhere. oh,; no example of it anywhere. oh, everyone they've everyone thinks they've got a solution. everyone thinks they've got a solutiori it's just >> but i mean, it's just interesting because used to interesting because i used to say guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, the guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, the newinan, well, interesting because i used to say know, the news reporting is you know, the news reporting is fine. are fine. the opinion columns are all and all over the place. and but actually, way actually, i don't feel that way anymore. like the news anymore. i feel like the news reporting, just reporting, not just the guardian, fair, other guardian, to be fair, other papers as well. but i wish papers as well. but i just wish there a clear there could be a clear delineation and delineation between opinion and news. absolute >> and now this is what you have to do. people go to to do. people have to go to different sources . hello? different sources. hello? actually, yes , this is very much actually, yes, this is very much an opinion show. >> should we should we should >> we should we should we should emphasise, least we're at emphasise, but at least we're at least honest about that. we're emphasise, but at least we're at least hit|est about that. we're emphasise, but at least we're at least h it|estfront,: that. we're emphasise, but at least we're at least hit|estfront, yout. we're emphasise, but at least we're at least hit|estfront, you know,e saying it up front, you know, okay, going to okay, we're going to move on to monday's times. carry what are they this follows they leading this follows on with braverman with this this braverman taking on met chief over the jihad on the met chief over the jihad protest and there's me out of that protest. >> there's a picture in the photo, though. josh no . see you photo, though. josh no. see you there. yeah. >> no, the, the.

>> no, the, the. >> i've got to say, i don't envy the police having to having to police these kind of things anyway. they're very complicated. yes. they're massive. there's 100,000 people and so on. but when they start really gaslighting us and telling us what jihad means and telling us whatjihad means and it really it means it's just another way of saying we love you, you know, and it's not we know what it means. we know there are meanings it. but there are meanings of it. but that's it means in that's not what it means in this context, where people are shouting jihad . shouting for jihad. >> there are of it >> there are meanings of it which non—violent . that is which are non—violent. that is true. guy who was using true. but the guy who was using the was also talking about the term was also talking about armies. yes, he had signs that muslim armies it's not ambiguous in case. and so therefore in this case. and so therefore and ut—tahrir who are and it's hizb ut—tahrir who are bannedin and it's hizb ut—tahrir who are banned in most arab countries. they are a militant group. you know, that's the group that maajid to be with already. >> it's already frightening. 100,000 people and i've seen a number of people doing takes today on social media and so on, saying we're going to win this. we've got more than they have. and so the point. and so that's the whole point. that's what you're missing, is that are only 2.2% of the

that jews are only 2.2% of the entire world. yeah, we are literally this whole entire studio . studio. >> that's half of us here. that's right. >> you're all about the diversity here at. so butjust diversity here at. so but just let me ask you about this, because there's also the freedom of issue surrounding of speech issue surrounding this. speech this. i mean, i'm a free speech absolutist, i think even if absolutist, and i think even if people to and chant people want to stand and chant really things the really unpleasant things on the streets, able to really unpleasant things on the strn so. i, able to really unpleasant things on the strn so. i, what able to really unpleasant things on the strnso.s, what bothers1ble to really unpleasant things on the strnso.s, what bothers me to really unpleasant things on the strnso.s, what bothers me about do so. but what bothers me about this is very much the double standards here. i mean, the police have been arresting women for like for tweets or something like this, which is clearly what's called violence, quite exactly. which is illegal incitement to violence is illegal. so. so where do you stand on that? i mean, what would you do about this situation? >> yeah, that's freedom of speech absolutely bedrock speech is absolutely a bedrock of democracy. i've of a liberal democracy. i've read your book, of and read your book, half of it. and that's definitely what came across, by the way, looking at that picture in the background, ijust say that picture in the background, i just say is i just want to say there is there is a slight thing here where it's like it looks like the for bring back the the vigil for the bring back the kidnapped people, which was wear out today, which is in the photo . it looks that's what the

. it looks like that's what the protest talking protest is that they're talking about were jews about here. there were no jews calling should calling forjihad. i should point right? point that out right? >> yes. yes. >> yes. yes. >> that is confusing the slightly framing we're slightly strange framing we're talking is the talking about. this is the protest saturday. 100,000 talking about. this is the protest yes. aturday. 100,000 talking about. this is the protest yes. around 100,000 talking about. this is the protest yes. around london. ,000 people. yes. around london. >> this is the story below the picture which is unrelated to the picture . the picture. >> yeah, but it's related. >> yeah, but what it's related. but the side of the coin. but the flip side of the coin. but the flip side of the coin. but yeah, crazy about but yeah, the crazy thing about yesterday it was yesterday and to go into it was you met having their you had the met having their twitter putting this twitter account putting out this stuff and just lying about stuff there. like there was a guy dancing on a bus with a flag and they're like, worry, we they're like, don't worry, we intervened. we got down intervened. we got him down safely intervened. we got him down safe like, why didn't him like, well, why didn't you arrest turns out arrest him? or do it turns out they nothing with they had nothing to do with getting this person down. there was footage someone getting this person down. there wcoming footage someone getting this person down. there wcoming footagfrom someone getting this person down. there wcoming footagfrom scaffolding getting this person down. there wcwoff ng footagfrom scaffolding getting this person down. there wcwoff ngflare,15from scaffolding getting this person down. there wcwoff ngflare, andn scaffolding getting this person down. there w c off ngflare, and n sc police ng let off a flare, and the police are like, well, here's your flag back. it again. back. yeah, don't do it again. and like it and and it was just like it was. and then this whole thing about retweeting which retweeting people as well, which was decision, was a really bad decision, suddenly themselves suddenly people found themselves inundated . inundated with hatred. >> little bit like >> it looked a little bit like there teenage there was some teenage intern running police twitter running the met police twitter account. i suspect that that does sometimes, this does happen sometimes, like this isn't flag. isn't an isis flag. >> don't worry, we don't have

the out it was the rest of it turns out it was another islamic jihad flag or whatever. like they just whatever. it's like they just hadn't done their job and it felt like they were just very unwilling to confront of unwilling to confront any of this quickly this stuff. can i just quickly ask you we all know ask i mean, you we all know about the rotherham scandal. >> cetera, where it was >> et cetera, where it was discovered in report that discovered in the report that the failed because the police failed to act because they being they were concerned about being seen muslim or whatever, seen as anti muslim or whatever, or there would racial or that there would be racial tension. is that why they're trying excuse this and trying to excuse this and saying, not do anything saying, let's not do anything about it? >> i think they were outnumbered about it? >>think1k they were outnumbered about it? >>think1k th(were re outnumbered about it? >>think1k th(were outnumbered,d . i think they were outnumbered, but it wasn't 100,000 people involved thing . involved in the jihadi thing. >> that just that was just >> that was just that was just a small should said. small group that should be said. >> same time, it's >> but at the same time, it's the hypocrisy to me is the problem. exactly you problem. exactly what you pointed that pointed out a moment ago, that we laws , we we either have these laws, we have hate speech have laws against hate speech and then say doesn't apply and then say it doesn't apply justin and then say it doesn't apply just in these conditions where we're it . right. we're scared to apply it. right. that's just silly. >> i just want to say what >> so i just want to say what you're there. there was you're saying there. there was another got another thing where you've got jewish being jewish people who are being taken side and told that taken to side and told that they're arrested for they're going to be arrested for breaking know , where's breaking the you know, where's the rights here? there's a conflict of rights. >> it just feels as though

sometimes police side sometimes the police have a side . lot of different . yeah, in a lot of different topics, you know, and they really shouldn't basically. okay. so to the eye now okay. right. so to the eye now josh front cover of the eye on monday. what we got home? monday. what have we got home? >> good because this monday. what have we got home? >:just good because this monday. what have we got home? >:just to good because this monday. what have we got home? >:just to businessause this is just back to business as usual. >> well, our favourite topic, this is the good this is like the good old days here. >> oh, home office. this isn't toxic office in toxic at all. home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan. obviously the i not having an agenda at all the way they've done so there you know the desperation of suella braverman to make this her sort of flagship policy. yeah everything rests on it but they're just the her own officials are basically saying that it's stupid, it's absurd. it's not going to materialise. yes the a lot of theissue materialise. yes the a lot of the issue seems to be the fact that rwanda was chosen as the country. yes there's nothing wrong with necessarily the legality of putting people . legality of putting people. >> you mean because people have because it's technically an unsafe country. >> if it was classified >> if it was it was classified as what is a safe country .

as what is a safe country. >> the rwandan government would disagree on that. well, disagree with you on that. well, the would. disagree with you on that. well, the but would. disagree with you on that. well, the but the jld. disagree with you on that. well, the but the a:i. disagree with you on that. well, the but the a lot of people >> but but the a lot of people still the of the still have the thought of the genocide in their minds. >> they have feeling >> and they have this feeling about sense what the about a sense of what the country doesn't country is, which doesn't actually match what it is these days. it's an days. i wouldn't say it's an amazing days. i wouldn't say it's an am izing days. i wouldn't say it's an am i mean, that there has to be. >> a rwandan government says it is amazing. >> well, hamas says an >> well, hamas says it's an amazing kerry. >> rwanda saying >> it's rwanda is saying that. stop it's all. i don't see stop now. it's all. i don't see how this we're going how this ends. we're going backwards fonnards. how this ends. we're going bacwell, s fonnards. how this ends. we're going bacwell,s is onnards. how this ends. we're going bacwell,s is backwards and >> well, this is backwards and fonnards, but i want to ask you specifically because fonnards, but i want to ask you spewtrouble because fonnards, but i want to ask you spewtrouble is because fonnards, but i want to ask you spewtrouble is partly, because fonnards, but i want to ask you spewtrouble is partly, bewknow, the trouble is partly, you know, both labour and the conservatives with both labour and the conssmall/es with both labour and the conssmall boats with both labour and the conssmall boats crisis. with both labour and the conssmall boats crisis. right.th this small boats crisis. right. and they can. and they both say that they can. the with the rwanda plan the problem with the rwanda plan is did silly , you is it always did seem silly, you know, insofar as, oh, we'll just put rwanda. put them on a plane to rwanda. it sounds really stupid it sounds like a really stupid idea, though it might idea, even even though it might not be. >> it might not be. but what we not be. >> it doing: not be. but what we not be. >> it doing: n coming ut what we not be. >> it doing: n coming back at we not be. >> it doing: n coming back to we not be. >> itdoing: ncoming back to the keep doing is coming back to the same the same thing or the same realisation one's realisation is no one's got a plan, , that's what's plan, no, that's what's happening. and the same plan, no, that's what's happ both . and the same plan, no, that's what's happ both parties. the same plan, no, that's what's happ both parties. the can|e plan, no, that's what's hap somethingies. the can|e plan, no, that's what's hap something up the can|e plan, no, that's what's hap something up say, :an|e put something up and say, here's how we're solve it. how we're going to solve it. >> absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> send them to australia. >> send them to australia. >> australia used >> australia would do. we used to didn't we? yeah, to do that, didn't we? yeah, exactly. it with the exactly. we did it with the prisoners. space. prisoners. there's still space.

yeah, space australia. >> space. them in >> lots of space. put them in the okay. that's front >> okay. so that's the front pages covered. coming up, pages are covered. coming up, some unwelcome support at a protest, report. and protest, at a secret report. and a safe place to report secrets

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to headliners , >> welcome back to headliners, your first look at monday's newspapers. i'm still here with josh howie and kerry marks. and let's continue with these stories. so we're going begin stories. so we're going to begin this section with express this section with the express and not all pro—palestine support is welcome. josh? yeah, so this is the last story about israel or jews, i promise. israel orjews, i promise. >> okay. wherever we get to the today . today, today. incredible today. today, today. incredible moment. maybe people want more . moment. maybe people want more. maybe. but incredible moment. fight breaks out over pride flag at the pro—palestine protesters is what we were talking about. the event yesterday where part of it people were shouting jihad and whatnot. some incredibly anti—semitic going and anti—semitic signs going on and whatnot. nothing whatnot. police doing nothing but clip that went

but but there's a clip that went viral today of someone put up a lgbt q viral today of someone put up a lgbt 0 plus flag and then guess what? some islamic fundamentalists, we don't know if they i'm assuming they were we pulled it down and ripped it off and ran off with it and they weren't a moderate ones. yeah, they weren't. yeah exactly. well, who were the moderate ones. where have ones. but this is where you have here is not a new here and this is not a new phenomenon i'm identifying phenomenon that i'm identifying by been by any means. it's been identified by any means. it's been iderfar ed and you by any means. it's been iderfared and you have the far left and you have islamic fundamentalists. they have with their have come together with their mutual hatred and israel mutual hatred of jews and israel . and you've got this sort of ridiculous situation where you have people who are like, right on social justice warriors marching side by side with misogynist , homophobic. misogynist, homophobic. >> you've seen the viral image of those campaigners with a big sign saying queers for palestine . yes, yes. and you do think, well, go to palestine then, and see how that plays out . see how that plays out. >> palestine and you >> you go to palestine and you know, if you're in gaza, then you're be thrown off you're going to be thrown off a building or dragged on a motorbike. you get

motorbike. and the best you get is pnson motorbike. and the best you get is prison sentence. so i is a life prison sentence. so i think been to think it's been reduced to ten years. think it's been reduced to ten yaneah. thing is, there >> yeah. and the thing is, there are, gay people in are, of course, gay people in palestine deserve palestine who do deserve protection. et cetera. but they're not going get it from they're not going to get it from they're not going to get it from the there. that's just not the state there. that's just not going to happen for them. >> know, you to israel >> you know, you go to israel for protection israel, for protection because israel, again, in again, is the only country in the that has total the middle east that has total freedom. to freedom. there needs to be a deluded for some deluded sexuality for some people march, you know, people in the march, you know, to admit they are to just admit that they are deluded everything they to just admit that they are deludecis everything they to just admit that they are deludecis going erything they to just admit that they are deludecis going erytthere. 1ey to just admit that they are deland is going erytthere. 1ey to just admit that they are deland i'd|oingerytthere.1ey to just admit that they are deland i'd like erytthere.1ey to just admit that they are deland i'd like erjseeere. 1ey to just admit that they are deland i'd like erjsee likeey >> and i'd like to see like free the of join with the nipple sort of join in with the nipple sort of join in with the know, these the march, you know, all these people think they're going the march, you know, all these peopl represented they're going the march, you know, all these peoplrepresented byey're going the march, you know, all these peoplrepresented by alle going the march, you know, all these peoplrepresented by all this. |g the march, you know, all these peoand presented by all this. |g the march, you know, all these peoand howented by all this. |g the march, you know, all these peoand how didd by all this.|g the march, you know, all these peoand how did they all this. |g the march, you know, all these peoand how did they all trealise? >> and how did they not realise? i there's further i mean, there's a further problem, back problem, you know, when back when that when trevor phillips did that very extensive of very extensive study of attitudes muslim attitudes among the muslim community these community in the uk to these various issues, this was for channel believe, and channel 4, i believe, and a slight majority. it's something like 52% of muslims felt like 52% of british muslims felt that homosexuality ought to be against for now. that's against the law for now. that's against the law for now. that's a mainstream view. therefore within that community, which is particularly damaging for gay muslims, ? so the idea that muslims, right? so the idea that the people flying that flag, i don't think they're even aware that a problem. i don't know. >> i don't they are. and know.

>> i the 't they are. and know. >> i the 't thethey are. and know. >> i the 't the last are. and with the last the last government in israel was probably like left wing wet probably like a left wing wet dream, was just every dream, really. it was just every kind diversity going and the kind of diversity going and the arab coalition, one of the first things wanted to change things they wanted was to change the on on gay rights. the laws on on gay rights. >> something >> right. so it's something that needs a needs to be addressed in a serious adult way. know, not serious adult way. you know, not pretending that it's not a problem there because it clearly is. you know, but the other is. but, you know, but the other thing is, i mean, of the thing is, i mean, some of the flags mentioned, there were flags you mentioned, there were there were some anti—semitic. i even with even saw a sticker with appraising . yeah, appraising hamas. yeah, right. so what i don't so there's that. what i don't understand because i think understand is because i think a lot the people who are lot of the people who are protesting there would absolutely but why absolutely detest hamas. but why aren't they saying? well, i think there are. i think there are lot maybe but are a lot maybe some, but i don't. why aren't they don't. but why aren't they saying those put that don't. but why aren't they sayir down? |ose put that don't. but why aren't they sayirdown? you put that don't. but why aren't they sayirdown? you know, put that don't. but why aren't they sayirdown? you know, ifput that don't. but why aren't they sayirdown? you know, if |jt that don't. but why aren't they sayirdown? you know, if i was at sign down? you know, if i was at a gay rights march and there was someone there with a really bigoted , horrible i don't bigoted, horrible sign, i don't think last five minutes. think they'd last five minutes. i would get it i think people would say get it down, yeah, yeah, down, get out. yeah, yeah, that's why i disagree with you, because think, frankly, lot that's why i disagree with you, bethese think, frankly, lot that's why i disagree with you, bethe peopleik, frankly, lot that's why i disagree with you, bethe people there 1kly, lot that's why i disagree with you, bethe people there who lot that's why i disagree with you, bethe people there who might of the people there who might seem their their in seem like their their heart's in the right place, don't know the right place, they don't know what they're talking about. >> even they wouldn't what they're talking about. >> know even they wouldn't what they're talking about. >> know what'en they wouldn't what they're talking about.

>> know what hamas wouldn't even know what hamas is necessarily. they know necessarily. all they know is israel , bad palestinians israel, all bad palestinians good. there must be a of good. but there must be a lot of people there are a bit more people there who are a bit more nuanced people there who are a bit more nuethere be people there >> there must be people there who who don't support what hamas was can't say was doing. so why can't they say it? they say this is it? why can't they say this is because, don't know. >> i agree i think >> i agree with you. i think that justifications we're that the justifications we're heanng that the justifications we're hearing time, might that the justifications we're hearirare time, might that the justifications we're hearirare definitely 3, might that the justifications we're hearirare definitely e, but|ht that the justifications we're hetheire definitely e, but|ht that the justifications we're hethe samefinitely e, but|ht that the justifications we're hethe same time,ye, but|ht that the justifications we're hethe same time, we're but|ht at the same time, we're hearing these what at the same time, we're hearing these means, what at the same time, we're hearing these means, justificationsit at the same time, we're hearing these means, justifications for jihad means, justifications for what the sea means. what revenge of the sea means. and know what river. why and we know what river. so why means what? >> events doesn't >> why at these events doesn't someone >> why at these events doesn't someonfbecause >> why at these events doesn't someon(because they are clearly hamas? because they are clearly the possible to the worst possible thing to happen the worst possible thing to ha|:who knows would happen >> who knows what would happen to them? mean, didn't see to them? i mean, you didn't see anybody like, was anybody there saying like, was there free there one sign saying free, free there one sign saying free, free the hostages ? right. the free the hostages? right. not saying make peace not one sign saying make peace or whatever, two state solution. two state nothing like two state solution. nothing like that. it's fundamentally they that. no it's fundamentally they want the destruction of israel. that's comes to . down that's what it comes to. down i believe anti—semitism. believe it's anti—semitism. i believe it's anti—semitism. i believe who believe that anybody who was there a wrong'un. believe that anybody who was the okay. wrong'un. believe that anybody who was the okay. wrongvery strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, wrongvery strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, let's very strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, let's move :rident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, let's move on ent believe that anybody who was the ojosh, let's move on to. from josh, let's move on to monday's express . carrie, what's monday's express. carrie, what's this one about? this is the jcb, the ka tory donors and these two brothers who now they could

face £500 million bill to settle their tax inquiry. >> we're told this is all about the jcb empire, which when i first read that, it was kind of frightening. i thought maybe jcb's over europe , jcb's are taking over europe, you it's not. so these you know, but it's not. so these guys need to dig deep into their pockets with their jcbs because they've been avoiding tax. it's like saying love saying like saying jcb. i love saying jcb . there's some it . jcb. there's some ring to it. >> you know , investigation going >> you know, investigation going on for three years and it's understood to be it says here, it's understood to be serious, which i wouldn't understand why it would be going for three it would be going on for three years it was a bit of a joke. years if it was a bit of a joke. >> right. exactly. and stating the yeah. the obvious. rather yeah, yeah. kind hmrc the obvious. rather yeah, yeah. kin(grounds hmrc the obvious. rather yeah, yeah. kin(grounds to hmrc the obvious. rather yeah, yeah. kin(grounds to suspect hmrc has grounds to suspect a significant loss of tax, which makes you wonder they significant loss of tax, which make launch 'onder they significant loss of tax, which make launch anier they significant loss of tax, which make launch an investigationley don't launch an investigation when it's like an extra cup of coffee or the odd meal here and there. yes, but yes, we're talking about large amounts of money and we talk about money that due that went into tax due on shares, shares are one of shares, which shares are one of those odd words that out those odd words that turns out to be more selfish than it sounds. and offshore sounds. and they had offshore

accounts in bermuda and family trusts , which, of course, money trusts, which, of course, money vanishes in bermuda, doesn't it? >> of course. well, yes, it does. josh, i think the guardian very about this because very happy about this because jcb is a massive tory donor. i didn't know that. >> yeah, no, i didn't know that either. lead either. but they didn't lead with some interesting information, only information, which is not only is anthony bamford a big tory donon is anthony bamford a big tory donor, but also he's the one who sort of out that's where sort of turns out that's where bofis sort of turns out that's where boris johnson got married . and boris johnson got married. and that he paid for the marquee and so the connections there particularly. and what's the other thing that they sort of reveal halfway through the article is that they of go article is that they sort of go he revealed any of this he hasn't revealed any of this because you you've got because when you when you've got these kind of legal issues. yeah. to certainly these kind of legal issues. yeah peer, to certainly these kind of legal issues. yeah peer, you're to certainly these kind of legal issues. yeah peer, you're meantertainly these kind of legal issues. yeah peer, you're meant toxinly as a peer, you're meant to reveal . but i'm thinking reveal that. but i'm thinking if you it's like you owe 500 million, it's like you're not that bothered about what issues . what other issues. >> they're hedging their >> they're also hedging their bets aren't they, bets at the moment, aren't they, because they're they're trying bets at the moment, aren't they, becaus the ey're they're trying bets at the moment, aren't they, becausthe labour ey're trying bets at the moment, aren't they, becausthe labour party trying bets at the moment, aren't they, becausthe labour party as ng bets at the moment, aren't they, becausthe labour party as well. to woo the labour party as well. oh probably and oh probably donations. and i like the fact that hmrc like the fact that the hmrc spokesman said neither spokesman said we neither confirm deny investigations , confirm nor deny investigations, which i always is a lovely

which i always think is a lovely phrase. a great phrase that phrase. it's a great phrase that means know, they're means that, you know, they're happening. that's confirming, isn't not. isn't it? well, no, it's not. >> i have to say, i have to be clear about that. it's not. >> well, it is. i to >> well, it is. if i said to you, seeking my wife? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you seeking my wife? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you say, seeking my wife? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you say, izeking my wife? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you say, i neitherny wife? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you say, i neither deny re? >> well, it is. if i said to you, you say, i neither deny or and you say, i neither deny or confirm it's like you are. confirm it, it's like you are. well, you would say, well, othennise you would say, no, okay, no one has >> okay, well, no one has a problem something that problem denying something that isn't problem denying something that isn'are you sleeping my wife? >> i'm sorry you found out like this. >> okay, we're going to move on now. to monday's now. very quickly to monday's independent. covered a lot independent. we've covered a lot about slavery on this show, but rarely modern slavery. >> indeed. which is we always talk about slavery in the past. back in the day. but it goes on. there's a secret report on uk modern slavery. the home office didn't you to see. so didn't want you to see. so vaguely tangental to brexit. but we now need a lot of people to work in the fruit picking industry and whatnot. and so they've they've got all these visas and it turns out the way that some of the people who've been treated on these farms and the office went in and

the home office went in and did a study, out a report and study, it turns out there's not cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this not cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemicnt cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or�*ool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or isl stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or is this ff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or is this just. it is this endemic or is this just. well, we don't know. but the fact kept it back . fact that they kept it back. yes. we can't get in yes. means that we can't get in there and actually expose this stuff properly is that's stuff properly, which is that's that's but some of that's the issue. but some of the stuff is terrible where you read about someone who was they had covid and they left had covid and they were left starving medical starving without any medical assistance or food. but then there's another one where this person , they had to pull out person, they had to pull out their own tooth because they didn't a dentist. didn't have access to a dentist. but that's that's the but for me, that's that's the rest the country. surely but for me, that's that's the rest note country. surely but for me, that's that's the rest not that's:ry. surely but for me, that's that's the rest not that's notsurely but for me, that's that's the rest not that's not specific that's not that's not specific to doesn't that. to that's it doesn't say that. >> says didn't have >> it says they didn't have access medical so it access to medical care. so it might be something else. it might be something else. it might operation. might be something else. it migihe operation. might be something else. it migihe gets operation. might be something else. it migihe gets so operation. might be something else. it migihe gets so angry operation. and he gets so angry about things, tooth out. things, he pulls a tooth out. >> say? but it's always >> who can say? but it's always been that, you know, been the case that, you know, immigrant workers are often exploited by unscrupulous. well, this they're brought over here. >> they're over here to >> they're brought over here to bazball, because if they wanted to and no , to treat people well and no, it's not. no, you're right. it's not. it's no, you're right. it's not it's okay. but it's not it's not okay. but they're bored over and they're paid less money whatever paid less money and whatever because to pay because they don't want to pay british citizens more money. treat because we want

treat them well because we want to get our fruit for cheap. that's capitalism. >> that's it's called. >> that's what it's called. >> that's what it's called. >> what called. >> that's what it's called. >> that's what it's called. >> a good look, >> okay. it's not a good look, though, it, really? >> okay. it's not a good look, though, it it, really? >> okay. it's not a good look, though, it certainly? >> okay. it's not a good look, though, it certainly is not. okay >> no, it certainly is not. okay we're going on to we're going to move on to monday's what's monday's times now. and what's this carrie, this nhs safe spaces. carrie, what's this? >> thought i'd read >> yes. and i thought i'd read safe space and instantly start frowning like, oh, no, but it's a different kind of safe space. yeah. you think it's going to be one of those articles? this one of those articles? so this is to protect is safe space unit to protect nhs medical nhs staff reporting medical errors. follows from errors. and this follows on from the lucy letby case. yeah and the lucy letby case. yeah and the odd thing was there were doctors who warned about lucy letby and the officials at the hospital just kind of ignored it or or embarrassed them into not talking about it any further. they kind of wanted to let be, huh? >> they threaten them. >> they threaten them. >> they threaten them. >> they basically threaten them. yeah. so the idea is this yeah. yeah so the idea is this is to is so the doctors will have a space in order to report something suspicious that's going on. so why is that? why does that happen, that people don't, you know, don't take it seriously. >> you know, it are they just >> you know, is it are they just protecting their own? i mean,

it's that thought it's no way that anyone thought it's no way that anyone thought it thing that these it was a good thing that these poor sounds poor children it sounds like the management totally of management were totally out of it. they they thought that >> they just they thought that she bullied. they she was being bullied. they decided arbitrary decided to make an arbitrary decision, the decision, not look at the evidence. and then they then, as we were talking about, they basically were saying, look, you better shut up about this stuff . better shut up about this stuff. those doctors who kept on saying, minute, there's saying, wait a minute, there's something fundamentally and of course, this sort of stuff doesn't happen often. doesn't happen very often. >> so >> but when it does, it's so serious that there to be serious that there needs to be some of some like harold shipman kind of you to be some you know, there needs to be some mechanism for people raise mechanism for people to raise concerns very least, concerns is at the very least, i thought it would be enough just to fire people didn't do to fire the people who didn't do anything to fire the people who didn't do anyhing to fire the people who didn't do anyi mean, would enough >> i mean, that would be enough to go around and say you should listen to someone saying that someone be. but there someone could be. but there are people harboured her. >> was her. >> m crazy her. >> was crazy thing. >> that was the crazy thing. they worked they were protected. she worked here. really what here. but that isn't really what this story is about because people coming people are afraid of coming fonnard people are afraid of coming forbeing blamed. so the idea of being blamed. so the idea about space about this is, is it's a space where come fonnard and where you can come fonnard and reveal and it's reveal this stuff. and it's actually a appropriate actually not about a appropriate blame. fixing the blame. it's about fixing the issue. and they're trying to that's that's what they're trying what they trying that's what they mean by safe spaces. identify what the

problem fonnard from problem is and go fonnard from there. okay. >> going move on to >> so we're going to move on to monday's guardian now , carrie, monday's guardian now, carrie, this a horrible no , josh, is this is a horrible no, josh, is this is a horrible no, josh, is this sorry, this can do it. this is iranian teenager. is the iranian teenager. horrible story. >> yeah, iranian teenager brain dead after alleged metro encounter with the police. this is amita garavan. she's 16 years old and last month, she fell into a coma after an incident concerning the morality police and the hijab law. and who deny it? they deny it, of course they deny it. and. and now , yeah, deny it. and. and now, yeah, she's. she's been revealed to be brain dead. >> and of course this is this does have reminiscent of the does have is reminiscent of the mahsa case. the girl who mahsa amini case. the girl who was not led to riots near was beaten not led to riots near revolution . you know, i mean, revolution. you know, i mean, the thing about this is that the morality police in iran and it's very interesting this that very interesting that this that that particular incident stirred this mass outpouring not just from women , but from men as from women, but from men as well. and across country . well. and across the country. and it's just so and it just it's just so abysmal. the idea that there are

these people who are willing to commit violence on women just for choosing wear whatever for choosing to wear whatever they want. >> is is of the >> this is this is tip of the iceberg stuff. no idea, iceberg stuff. we have no idea, of many cases are of course, how many cases are actually are going and actually are going on. and with the amini case, two of the the mahsa amini case, two of the reporters who talked about it were sentenced to 13 and 12 years. and they were sentenced for collaboration with the us government and acting against national security, which just shows what the problem is. there's no free press. we don't know what the truth is of how many cases there are . many cases there are. >> so do you think the more of this kind happens, the this kind of thing happens, the more it for there to more likely it is for there to be actual revolution iran? be an actual revolution in iran? because, of course, a lot of it's memory of a it's within living memory of a time women could wear what time when women could wear what they do what they want. they want and do what they want. within you know, well, within iran. you know, well, it's demographics. >> very young >> you've got a very young population and you have very population and you have a very brave population . and what brave young population. and what they doing and the they are doing and what the women doing and the men who women are doing and the men who are them, it's are supporting them, it's unbeliev. all the bravery is incredible. different incredible. it's on a different scale to that you have the scale to know that you have the entire apparatus entire the state apparatus against you and they're still going still going out. they're still fighting their and fighting for their rights and their

fighting for their rights and thei to iranian >> i spoke to an iranian reporter was reporter about this, and she was saying exactly you saying exactly that, that, you know, west , you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles west , you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles about you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles about how often have articles about how the huab have articles about how the hijab liberating. isn't hijab is liberating. and isn't it wonderful symbol of female it a wonderful symbol of female empowerment? well , empowerment? it's like, well, that's the case when you are that's not the case when you are forced to wear you'll be forced to wear it or you'll be beaten for not doing yeah, beaten for not doing so. yeah, exactly. absolutely it's exactly. it's absolutely it's not where the shah was not a case where the shah was changing things massively and women of rights and women had loads of rights and freedoms, the ayatollah freedoms, but then the ayatollah at the was saying at the time was saying progressive things sounded progressive things that sounded really course, >> and of course, when completely the other way. yeah, absolutely. >> okay, well, that's it for part but coming itv part two. but coming up has itv gone far ? calls for strategy gone too far? calls for strategy on social prescribing and arsenal break silence over its all white team photo? do not go anywhere

radio. >> welcome back to headliners . >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at monday's newspapers . we're going to start newspapers. we're going to start this section with the guardian , this section with the guardian, itv staff. it's getting all very strict over there. kerry yeah , i strict over there. kerry yeah, i think this is another one of

those overconfidence when something then we go. >> so far the other way to go that embarrasses it never that embarrasses see, it never happens again. so is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv again. so is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules|. so is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , so is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , which is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , which requires new itv rules, which requires staff to declare relations with with colleagues. this is after the phillip schofield scandal. yes so this follows on from the phillip schofield . they don't phillip schofield. they don't want public, another want another public, another scandal like that to happen again. i'm amazed that celebrities can really keep their secret anyway. their affairs secret now anyway. i pretty impressive i think that's pretty impressive in day age. so but it's in this day and age. so but it's under a personal relationship with work policy, so it's distributed to all the staff. you've got to declare relationships colleagues relationships with colleagues and partners and include a person living in the same household . this is going way, household. this is going way, way over the top. and anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship with shorter long friendship with a shorter long term, where does it stop? if you have stand with have a one night stand with someone, to you have someone, do you have to you have to sign a book? if it's a few days or or maybe you're having a gay relationship. don't gay relationship. you don't want everyone to know. do you have to tell your tell everyone? what were your secret ah, well, secret goings on? ah, well, surely it should. >> only you be dating >> only you might be dating a teenager many years

earlier. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> look, this goes even >> but this look, this goes even further declaring further than that. declaring friendship. that friendship. shapps. well, that could problems could cause a lot of problems because, might because, you know, i might declare at work. declare my friendships at work. other people why didn't you declare my friendships at work. other me)ple why didn't you declare my friendships at work. other me)pl(a why didn't you declare my friendships at work. other me)pl(a friend?/ didn't you declare my friendships at work. otherme)pl(a friend? maybe you class me as a friend? maybe i don't friend. you don't consider them friend. you know, awkward. know, it's going to be awkward. >> mean, this >> i mean, this i mean, this doesn't affect me. i've >> i mean, this i mean, this doe not affect me. i've >> i mean, this i mean, this doe no friends, rffect me. i've >> i mean, this i mean, this doe no friends, so ct me. i've >> i mean, this i mean, this doe no friends, so it's1e. i've >> i mean, this i mean, this doe no friends, so it's totally got no friends, so it's totally fine. friend, fine. i'm your friend, josh, what you saying? fine. i'm your friend, josh, what not)u saying? fine. i'm your friend, josh, what not yourying? fine. i'm your friend, josh, what not your friend. >> i'm not your friend. >> i'm not your friend. >> oh, see, this is the kind of problem i'm talking about. okay >> oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m talking about. okay >> oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i ing about. okay >> oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish bout. okay >> oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish but okay >> oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish i hadn'tay well, now, now i wish i hadn't ficked i'd >> but. okay, so tell me this. i think firstly , with the phillip think firstly, with the phillip schofield thing, you know, it was legal relationship, was it was a legal relationship, right? always taken right? so it's i've always taken the that he was very the view that he was very careful about legal. careful about being legal. >> people if >> no, but look, if people if apparently if consenting adults are in sexual relationships and it's legal and it's got nothing to do with me, i've always taken that to do with me, i've always taken tha now, when it to i don't >> now, when it comes to i don't see why this reaction should take if it was if there take place. if it was if there was would was criminal activity, i would get happened. get it. it's not what happened. >> with you. if he >> no, i agree with you. if he didn't didn't didn't break the law, he didn't break the law. >> it's none of our business. yeah >> no, i want to know. well you know, sheer prurience, suppose. >> something if >> have something saying if you're doing anything awful,

please you're doing anything awful, pleyeah you're doing anything awful, ple yeah , but here's the >> yeah, but here's the other problem this. >> yeah, but here's the other pro you] this. >> yeah, but here's the other pro you know, this. >> yeah, but here's the other pro you know, tt read a statistic >> you know, i read a statistic in one that said 22% of in one paper that said 22% of people who end up married met at work over 50% of people at work right over 50% of people at work right over 50% of people at work have had some kind of sexual contact with a with a colleague, consensual at a party or . right. or whatever. right. >> work in a strip bar >> i used to work in a strip bar that exactly. i remember. >> well, exactly. i remember. you good at it. good you were very good at it. good on the pole, if i remember rightly. you. the rightly. thank you. but the thing right thing about fiction, right now we're world. it's we're in fiction world. it's difficult sometimes. i'm difficult to tell sometimes. i'm sure with josh, no, neither am i. thing you know , i. but the thing is, you know, often time at work often we spend more time at work than else. it's quite than anywhere else. it's quite natural people meet natural for people to meet partners and boyfriends and girlfriends and et, etcetera. so all of these strict regulations, it me as overkill all of these strict regulations, it a me as overkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. as overkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. and'erkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. and actually to a huge degree. and actually invasive of people's privacy . invasive of people's privacy. >> absolutely. that's why >> absolutely. and that's why everyone should come and everyone at itv should come and work here. >> go. that's the moral >> there we go. that's the moral of that's where of this story. that's where i was the times was hoping we'd get to the times next. and the daily wire are doing their best to reinvent children's tv. yeah, well, here's another overcorrection. >> arguably, fur flies with the anti disney channel showing cartoons that feminism forgot .

cartoons that feminism forgot. so there's this new tv show called chinchilla . it's written called chinchilla. it's written partly i think the guys from the babylon bee. babylon is very funny. it is very funny when people say right wing humour, isn't it just is funny. it's very funny. it's much better than things like the onion and stuff which have totally gone off anyway. is off the rails anyway. it is a reaction to disney where they basically disney has sort basically been disney has sort of been not even hiding it really. they're saying that they've been, but they haven't. they've had a very much had this agenda sort of push this they've had a very much had this agen through't of push this they've had a very much had this agen through all: push this they've had a very much had this agen through all osth this they've had a very much had this agen through all of theirlis they've had a very much had this agen through all of their tv stuff through all of their tv shows yeah. the biggest shows. yeah. and the biggest crime of all is that they're just terrible tv shows. >> bad because >> they're really bad because once artistic once anything, any artistic enterprise, once it becomes ideological, once it becomes preachy , it's bad, it's preachy, it's always bad, it's always boring and uninteresting. >> question does that >> the question is, is does that mean is also mean that this stuff is also going be boring? i going to be boring? well, i should clarify. >> this is bent, which is the >> so this is bent, which is the daily which daily wire's app, which presents, you know, they said, well, this well, we're getting all this indoctrination from disney and other but other other not just disney, but other channels. we're just going to channels. so we're just going to make own children's tv. now, make our own children's tv. now, that's is that's the problem, isn't it? is if it then becomes

indoctrination different indoctrination of a different kind, problem . but if kind, that's a problem. but if they could make just tv that isn't doing all this kind of woke ideological i'd woke ideological nonsense, i'd before that you know why would that be a and are we that be a problem and are we going start seeing a sort going to now start seeing a sort of left right indoctrination race can indoctrinate the race of who can indoctrinate the kids direction as much kids in their direction as much as possible? kids in their direction as much as possinot’ kids in their direction as much as possi not necessarily. well, >> yes, not necessarily. well, i think parents want their think most parents want is their children entertained for a little while whilst they get on with they do. >> of course, they do. >> of course, they do. >> and but also, >> or whatever. and but also, these these are these are all these are chinchillas tell children these are all these are chinntollas tell children these are all these are chinnto think. tell children these are all these are chinnto think. and ll children these are all these are chinnto think. and so:hildren these are all these are chinnto think. and so on.iren these are all these are chinnto think. and so on. that how to think. and so on. that sounds good. well fun. but sounds quite good. well fun. but i don't think any child 20 years later is going to know the reason . i want a stay at reason. i want to be a stay at home is because mama home wife is because mama chinchilla it when was. chinchilla did it when i was. yeah. know, or whatever. yeah. but you know, or whatever. >> sick of wasn't >> you get sick of it wasn't there recently there that story recently about there that story recently about the transformers as the cartoon of transformers as one of the robots was announcing its pronouns. doesn't. it's its pronouns. it doesn't. it's a robot . it should that's it. >> no, it should be binary. >> no, it should be binary. >> it's very good. josh, you should be a comedian . that's should be a comedian. that's fantastic. right on to monday's times now. and josh, it really wouldn't headliners without wouldn't be a headliners without a trans story. >> yeah, let's do mother

>> yeah, let's do it. mother wins landmark ruling wins landmark court ruling to stop child having private trans treatment . so this is stop child having private trans treatment. so this is kind of a first. she wants her daughter , first. she wants her daughter, her son to basically pause everything. and the dad wants to pushit everything. and the dad wants to push it through and take take the child to private health care where this stuff would be pushed through quicker. and through a lot quicker. yeah. and potentially , you know, surgery, potentially, you know, surgery, but certainly drugs , hormones but certainly drugs, hormones and whatnot, which have been proven to have a detrimental proven now to have a detrimental impact. more impact. i mean, the more evidence about evidence that comes out about puberty blockers and their detrimental it's detrimental effects, it's becoming really that becoming really clear that these are good news. so. so the are not good news. so. so the mum has been representing herself till but now herself up till now, but now it's gone the up the it's gone to the next up to the high yeah. she's high court. yeah. now she's basically money. basically seeking money. and actually is actually what's interesting is this all this normally this stuff is all held behind closed doors, but because she needs to get the information out there to raise money, it's like grand. money, it's like 20 grand. they've allowed her to actually state her case. i mean, it must be i don't have any be you know, i don't have any children i know of. children that i know of. >> and it must terrifying, >> and it must be terrifying, the a child, know, the idea of a child, you know, your through your child going through this stuff you're getting

stuff and then you're getting drugs and just drugs involved. and i just think it scary. you know, actually. drugs involved. and i just think it yeah,r. you know, actually. drugs involved. and i just think it yeah, it's u know, actually. drugs involved. and i just think it yeah, it's interestingtually. drugs involved. and i just think it yeah, it's interesting thatr. >> yeah, it's interesting that now that she's she wants the nhs to be dealing with it because the nhs are more cautious the nhs are far more cautious than well they are than private. well they are since report . since the last report. >> well yeah, exactly. >> well yeah, exactly. >> is an interesting >> i mean this is an interesting change happened. yes. but change that's happened. yes. but but also there's a bit of divorce thing going on here, isn't there? there's a couple who've divorced and there's a bit of a tug of war over what should be happening with the child think i think child and so on. i think i think with transition, we're with the whole transition, we're going to see more and more of this of one parent who wants a son wants a daughter. son and one wants a daughter. >> only that, are >> and not only that, we are going think people, going to see, i think people, young later life young people in later life saying that a mistake, you saying that was a mistake, you should me, should have supported me, etcetera. that's going to happen. puberty happen. i mean, puberty blockers, is blockers, what we do know is that who do feel that 90% of kids who do feel feelings of gender dysphoria, they of it through they grow out of it through puberty. the cure. puberty. puberty is the cure. yeah you're introducing yeah so if you're introducing drugs prevent the cure, drugs that prevent the cure, it's very situation it's a very, very odd situation to be in. >> yeah, it is. so , i mean, >> yeah, it is. and so, i mean, it's sad that it has to be taken to court . it's sad that it has to be taken to court. yeah. but we always

say, you know, this is children aren't old enough to make these decisions. but when you have parents who are disagreeing with it, well, it hasn't got to canada yet. >> but there was that guy who was criminalised for calling >> but there was that guy who waschildinalised for calling >> but there was that guy who waschild bylised for calling >> but there was that guy who waschild by thei for calling >> but there was that guy who waschild by the pronouns alling his child by the pronouns they wanted . yeah. so i mean that, wanted. yeah. so i mean that, you but we're quite you know, but we're not quite at that stage yet. that authoritarian stage yet. maybe under labour . we'll wait maybe under labour. we'll wait and see. >> you got it in there. >> you got it in there. >> well, it's possible. it's possible. we're to possible. okay. we're going to move now the daily mail. move on now to the daily mail. a new goal for arsenal carry. yes, arsenal . arsenal. >> they break silence. apparently over all white squad team photo . and this is a race team photo. and this is a race where we've seen a few of these type of roles come up. but what was it? >> it was a photo of the team and they were all white. yes. so there, white. there, all white. >> and this is the women's team or men's team is the women's or the men's team is the women's team. >> @ team. >> women's team. >> women's team. >> doesn't feature a single >> it doesn't feature a single player of colour claiming the that addressing addressing that addressing the addressing the lack of diversity. so arsenal said addressing the lack of diversity is a priority which you would have thought you really would have thought addressing football skills well you're talking about that's the

priority meritocracy there. >> i don't think that works in sports , is it not? no, i think sports, is it not? no, i think it's outdated , really. i think it's outdated, really. i think they need some more time . large, they need some more time. large, larger people, people . there larger people, fat people. there are people on the team. are no fat people on the team. exactly. you have one who's a lesbian? >> a bi one? w—m >> one who's a bi one? who is trans one tall, one who's trans one who's tall, one who's short needles? need trans one who's tall, one who's sione. needles? need a one. >> we need one legged person. >> we need a one legged person. >> we need a one legged person. >> course . i left. >> we need a one legged person. >> course. i left. i'm so >> oh, of course. i left. i'm so sorry. mention the one sorry. i didn't mention the one legged really legged person. i'm really embarrassed about. >> in there. >> i need a man in there. >> i need a man in there. >> was, would say, how >> i need a man in there. >> they was, would say, how >> i need a man in there. >> they not would say, how >> i need a man in there. >> they not know ld say, how >> i need a man in there. >> they not know thisay, how >> i need a man in there. >> they not know thisay, h going did they not know this was going to happen in this day and age, though? but it shouldn't though? no, but it shouldn't have. yes. have. should have had it. yes. but know, you but even then, you know, if you put picture and they're put up the picture and they're all these days, you need all white these days, you need something already a prepared statement, how statement, because you know how they're should statement, because you know how they'iput should statement, because you know how they'iput few should statement, because you know how they'iput few them should statement, because you know how they'iput few them siiled have put a few of them in if they stood that should have put a few of them in if they putd that should have put a few of them in if they putd few that should have put a few of them in if they putd few inthat should have put a few of them in if they putd few in blackhould have put a few of them in if they putd few in black face. have put a few in black face. >> wasn't saying oh, >> no, i wasn't saying that. oh, that's sounds like to me. >> that's what it sounded like to me, too. wasn't me doing to me, too. it wasn't me doing the overcompensation. to me, too. it wasn't me doing the that's mpensation. to me, too. it wasn't me doing the that's mpenyou)n. to me, too. it wasn't me doing the that's mpenyou said. to me, too. it wasn't me doing thewhat; mpenyou said. to me, too. it wasn't me doing thewhat i'mwenyou said. to me, too. it wasn't me doing thewhat i'm saying said. to me, too. it wasn't me doing thewhat i'm saying saithey >> what i'm saying is they should should should know. people should recognise these scandals. they didn't recognise these scandals. they didn'ito it straight away. recognise these scandals. they did but it straight away. recognise these scandals. they did but what'aight away. recognise these scandals. they did but what else. away. recognise these scandals. they did but what else could done? >>i done? >> i mean, stood their ground. they could have said yes, we

know. >> fm know. >> mean, this is >> yeah. but i mean, this is what i find so infuriating about this, that in order this, is that in order to satisfy mean, are satisfy that, i mean, these are probably people that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere people that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. )ple that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. $05 that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. so t01at were there available. so to satisfy would to satisfy this, they would have to ditch for a less ditch a player for a less talented seems. look ditch a player for a less ta itnted seems. look ditch a player for a less ta it was seems. look ditch a player for a less ta it was the seems. look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case seems. look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case thatms. look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case that thereiok if it was the case that there was racist it's was there were racist it's running who were saying running arsenal who were saying we're players, we're only having white players, then down we then god, we shut it down and we do it. that's do something about it. that's clearly it's clearly not the case. no it's not the case. >> there are questions as to why it's representative. it's not representative. and is it's not representative. and is it is it that there's it that or is it that there's not like for different not access like for different ethnicities to women's football? i don't know. i mean , i don't i don't know. i mean, i don't know about women's football because i don't care if it's blocking people, that's a different thing. >> but that's different. if it's worked fine. worked out that way, fine. but it's reaction people. it's the reaction of people. this is the tweets here. this is one of the tweets here. someone wrote , we don't someone wrote, we don't have a single woman player. single black woman player. that's i can't that's frightening. i can't imagine being frightened by losing sleep over people hiding behind the couch. >> yeah, i don't think so. anyway, is the end of part anyway, that is the end of part three. but coming up in the final section, gen z's confidence crisis, scottish country dancing and is free will

a myth. you won't want to miss that

welcome back to headliners with me andrew doyle. it's your first look at monday's newspapers. now would you like to choose to open this section with the times? josh >> no. >> no. >> well , i >> no. >> well, i think you're going to have to explain this before the audience get nervous. >> no , this is a story about >> no, this is a story about free will. no, isn't. no absolutely not. >> no, this is free will is a myth, says scientists . so myth, says scientists. so pnsons myth, says scientists. so prisons need a rethink. that's the that's that's where it takes a logical place to. so this this scientist california stanford university and professor robert sapolsky, he contends that basically everything we do is determined by our genes , by our determined by our genes, by our hormone levels, what we've had for dinner environment concerns

everything. so because of that, we then aren't respond liable for anything that we do. that's the through line bleak worldview . absolutely. and weirdly, he was raised as an orthodox jew, andits was raised as an orthodox jew, and it's actually the opposite of the ethos of judaism, which is all about free will. like if you're i studied to be a rabbi and in the in the yeshiva it was all like free will, free will. that's the whole point. >> surely religion must >> surely every religion must believe othennise believe that because othennise what's the point in morality, guidance and the of guidance and the day of judgement? it would mean nothing. i mean, you up nothing. i mean, if you got up there and god just said, well, it fault, it was it wasn't your fault, it was mine, is likely this mine, which is likely this is what saying, everything what he's saying, everything is determinist btec from from the past anybody in past and which is why anybody in jail go. jail should be let go. >> their their >> it's not their fault, their murderer or. >> thing, >> well, here's the thing, right? the case that we right? if it is the case that we are merely almost automata, are just merely almost automata, that we controlled by that we are just controlled by our our our dna, our brains, our environment. et cetera. we environment. et cetera. and we are responsible for anything are not responsible for anything we do whatsoever. you can't really live like that on a practical think we have really live like that on a pr.assume think we have really live like that on a pr.assume that think we have really live like that on a pr.assume that that's: we have really live like that on a pr.assume that that's not have to assume that that's not the case own right? case for our own sanity, right? oh, though, isn't it? oh, it's nice, though, isn't it? >> nice to think >> i mean, it's nice to think whatever whatever whatever you do wrong, whatever goes it. goes wrong, i couldn't help it. whatever get trouble for

whatever you get in trouble for it, it it was meant to be. it, it was. it was meant to be. and. and means it would and. and he means it. it would have for this to true. have to be for this to be true. it would be just like it would have to be just like every every every finger movement, every single every single thing is preordained. little preordained. it's not a little bit. and i was reading it. was bit. and i was reading it. i was going, okay, doesn't going, okay, but it doesn't allow any allow for therefore, for any chaos. someone who chaos. you might be someone who goes with a particular a particular attracts you, particular look attracts you, but your work end but you don't in your work end up that up seeing someone with that particular you particular look. not that you should go out with anyone in your workplace reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. nrkplace reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. nrkp course. reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. nrkp course. so porting it first. of course. yes. so that occurred to me first. and then looking the then i'm looking through the article and there's a neuroscientist at dartmouth college he's called college who and he's called peter ulrich . ulrich says peter ulrich. ulrich says ulrich. ulrich yeah . okay. are ulrich. ulrich yeah. okay. are you sure? i think the audience are loving this about pronunciation , but i got one pronunciation, but i got one wrong. >> what has he said? >> what has he said? >> wrong one wrong on the program. now never no program. now i'll never say no risk . risk. but he was saying risk. risk. but he was saying that a range of bob, bob, that with a range of bob, bob, bob with the range of potential outcomes, choices surrounding, there's simply too much variability , which is what i variability, which is what i said on the before when i said on the page before when i read so there we go. as good said on the page before when i ree any so there we go. as good said on the page before when i ree any neuroscience go. as good as any neuroscience lists. >> problem >> yeah, but gary, the problem is from this to say

is he's leaping from this to say then drones on a lot. then he drones on a lot. >> well, about prisons. >> yes. well, he's basically saying that if we no saying that if we have no free will make none of our will and if we make none of our decisions own, will and if we make none of our deciswes own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should let own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should let everyone , then we should let everyone out of because of prisons because it's not their fault. >> i don't think he's >> oh, no, i don't think he's saying though. think saying that, though. i think he's that we should have he's saying that we should have a towards a different attitude towards prisoners, saying no. >> you're saying that? no. >> you're saying that? no. >> it is saying >> you say that it is saying that talks about because that he talks about because he's going this for going on and on about this for ages keep dangerous people from damaging and straightfonnardly and non—judgmental as keeping a car with faulty the road . with faulty brakes off the road. so saying shouldn't so he's saying it shouldn't be any emotional reaction to someone it's someone who kills because it's already sorry. already in their. i'm sorry. it's nonsense , but there is an it's nonsense, but there is an element because element of truth to it because as damage as people with brain damage and with . well, that's true. as people with brain damage and with so . well, that's true. as people with brain damage and with so i . well, that's true. as people with brain damage and with so i do well, that's true. as people with brain damage and with so i do think that's true. as people with brain damage and with so i do think there true. as people with brain damage and with so i do think there is ue. as people with brain damage and with so i do think there is an and so i do think there is an argument to say , you know, we argument to say, you know, we should have some. >> he does he does say nobody is going this. yeah yeah. going to buy this. yeah yeah. >> no, itjust feels going to buy this. yeah yeah. >> no, it just feels it feels a bit like the old calvinist idea of predestination all over again. you know, the elect and the. i'm not getting on board. >> i'll take your word it. >> i'll take your word for it. >> i'll take your word for it. >> okay. >> i'll take your word for it. >> we're to move on to the >> we're going to move on to the telegraph, story telegraph, kerry, and a story about female about some of history's female rabble rousers . rabble rousers. >> telling this is

>> they're telling us this is philippa gregory. britain was forged by revolting women and unattractive women. it doesn't mean that at all. no, no. >> that's why i took it to be. it's the revolt. >> did you not read anything? just. no, i was like, oh, i don't want to read. >> read about anything. >> to read about anything. >> to read about anything. >> i understand about women. full really about full stop. and it's really about how women have been making a nuisance themselves nuisance of themselves for a very time. and getting away very long time. and getting away with it. and this runs there's very long stories here about the peasants revolt and so on. but basically , we know this actually basically, we know this actually through through mediaeval times. women practically controlled towns. it wasn't they were powerless. they had control over the police and they had control over public order and so on. and they were called town meetings and on. but this is about all and so on. but this is about all the women protested and the women who've protested and it back through several it goes back through several centuries. this is quite interesting that the county of suffolk alone charged 70 women in the criminal courts. suffolk alone charged 70 women in the criminal courts . and in the criminal courts. and despite bearing down on the law of these rioters, the star chamber decided that if a woman

offended , if i'll read it here, offended, if i'll read it here, if a woman offend in trespass riot or othennise, and an action is brought against her and her husband, the husband is answerable , notwithstanding the answerable, notwithstanding the action without his privity. action was without his privity. so in other words, the husband was always responsible and the woman had this loophole where she get with and she could get away with it. and women very good at loopholes women are very good at loopholes like they like when you like when they like when you start a bar , like start a fight in a bar, like when and then man when a woman and then the man has step in sort it out. has to step in and sort it out. >> is that is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. >> is itlat is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. >> is it is? is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. >> is it is? i is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. >> isit is? i think is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. >> isit is? i think you'rel, what it is? i think you're missing the feminist of missing the feminist quality of this mean, the this article. i mean, the thing about clearly about this is clearly and philippa of philippa gregory is right, of course lot women course there are a lot of women will have been written out of history, they were history, even if they were significant they're women. yes, and firm e >> yes, but and philippa is writing them right back in. good for philippa. >> let's move now for philippa. >> the let's move now for philippa. >>the daily let's move now for philippa. >>the daily mail�*t's move now for philippa. >>the daily mail .s move now to the daily mail. >> is this going to change the way you use the maypole? well, josh , scottish is that do they josh, scottish is that do they have the maypole? >> i don't know. scottish country dancing gets a very modern makeover as new etiquette guide tells dancers, no means no . and don't assume your partner's gender. i don't even know what scottish dance i

didn't they had scottish didn't know they had scottish dancing do. don't know. it's with a what they call a >> it's with a what they call a caber haggis haggis and a caber and some shortbread. >> is that what it. okay. i don't know. and then they batter it. i've seen irish but it. i've seen irish dancing, but i know that scottish i didn't know that scottish people that's people had dancing. that's great. . great. good for them. >> but they're not going to assume of the partners. >> that story. so >> yes, that is the story. so they've new sort of guide they've got a new sort of guide out there. called yes, out there. it's called yes, silly tsitsipas. don't try silly tsitsipas. don't even try scotland from scotland. >> silly, silly dancing and yeah, you now you can dance on either side. >> don't have to dance on the man's side or the woman's side. there's thing men and women. >> yeah, but surely this is an old traditional form dance. old traditional form of dance. and impose old traditional form of dance. and new impose old traditional form of dance. and new ideological impose old traditional form of dance. and new ideological ideas.e old traditional form of dance. and new ideological ideas. it these new ideological ideas. it doesn't. kind incoherent i >> -- >> it sounds like a fun day out. yeah, does, doesn't >> it sounds like a fun day out. yea listen, es, doesn't >> it sounds like a fun day out. yea listen, we doesn't >> it sounds like a fun day out. yea listen, we don't 't >> it sounds like a fun day out. yea listen, we don't have much >> listen, we don't have much time, so i want to stay with the daily mail. now, this about daily mail. now, this is about young confidence young people with a confidence crisis. scary. do you know about this with confidence this gen 2 with the confidence crisis, a of 18 to 24 year crisis, a third of 18 to 24 year olds are scared to talk in pubuc olds are scared to talk in public and they think it's or they believe that this is down

to covid restrictions. and so they've just been used to being at home basically . yes. at home basically. yes. >> and not mixing with others, but they're actually talking about don't about public speaking. i don't remember public remember doing a lot of public speaking apart from speaking in school apart from occasionally get occasionally being forced to get up read poem or something. up and read a poem or something. i i think kids always i really i think kids are always nervous of nervous about that kind of thing. i would have thought. >> nervous >> so i want them to be nervous because them be because i don't want them to be able public speaking able to do public speaking because do this job because then we can do this job forever. one's forever. well, look, no one's going you. going to replace you. >> realise don't know >> realise they don't know anything should anything and they should be quiet. you're quiet. but you're not. you're worried about your kids becoming stand whatever. worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. whatever. worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. and whatever. worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. and coming whatever. worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. and coming up.1atever. worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. and coming up. yeah,r. >> yeah. and coming up. yeah, absolutely. taking they're >> yeah. and coming up. yeah, abs(coming taking they're >> yeah. and coming up. yeah, abs(coming oning they're >> yeah. and coming up. yeah, abs(coming on this they're >> yeah. and coming up. yeah, abs(coming on this show hey're just coming on this show like that going be that means there's going to be no us. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob us. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob for us. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob for life. us. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob for life. i us. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob for life. i think. we've got that means there's going to be nnjob for life. i think your/e got a job for life. i think your fear is very much well—founded. >> josh, careful. be afraid. >> josh, be careful. be afraid. okay >> let's come from my boss. that's the end >> let's come from my boss. ththe the end >> let's come from my boss. ththe show. the end of the show. >> but before we go, let's have another look monday's another quick look at monday's front pages. daily mail front pages. so the daily mail is leading with suella fury at met over jihad chants . is leading with suella fury at met overjihad chants . the met over jihad chants. the guardian is running with a pressure intensifies on israel to negotiate release of gaza hostages . the times is running

hostages. the times is running with braverman takes on met chief over jihad with braverman takes on met chief overjihad protest with braverman takes on met chief over jihad protest the same story graces the front of the express suella to quiz met chief on jihadi chants at rally the eye news is leading with home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan and finally, the daily star has a story about hair loss. apparently there's a cure or there might be very soon. that's all we've got time for, i'm afraid. thanks very much to guests, josh howie much to my guests, josh howie and kerry marx. simon evans will be here tomorrow at 11:00 with nick dixon and steve n allen . nick dixon and steve n allen. and if you're watching the show for the 5 am, repeat, please stay tuned now time stay tuned because now it's time for

>> i'm lisa hartle in the gb news room. gaza has been hit with a fresh strike of fresh wave of airstrikes . a number of

wave of airstrikes. a number of explosions have been seen after israel issued a warning to residents to leave the area . residents to leave the area. leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip, saying if they stayed there , life was in they stayed there, life was in danger and they may be identified as terrorists sympathisers. earlier, prime minister benjamin netanyahu told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country . a do or die for his country. a second convoy carrying humanitarian aid had to abort a delivery into gaza. earlier, witnesses say they heard a blast and the sound of ambulances near the rafah crossing yesterday. 20 trucks delivered supplies to the strip after the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. in london. and israel, solidarity rally was held earlier in trafalgar square. the bring them home protest called for the release of all hostages being held by hamas. the israel defence forces now says there are 218 people being detained in gaza . the being detained in gaza. the earlier a man was arrested for

allegedly shouting anti—semitic abuse from a car driving past. it comes after days of pro—palestine minion protests and claims that some people have been inciting violence. immigration minister robert jenrick says the accusations are being taken seriously . being taken seriously. >> i have written to all chief, chief constables across the country saying that they should refer individuals that come to their attention to the home office . there is a legal process office. there is a legal process to be followed, but as and when we receive those, we will consider them. and if they meet the legal bar, then we will absolutely revoke and expel them and the first case is already under consideration in. >> in other news, to danger to life, weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood alerts are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels. the number of people who have died during the storm has risen to four after police found the body of 83 year old maureen gilbert in chesterfield ,