up this thursday whether comes up this thursday whether she should really walk away with £11 million. we'll look back at the weekend's marches, the chanting that was going on, the flags that were being carried. i'll the question does i'll ask the question does radical islam now have free reign this country? did the reign in this country? did the police or do they police get it wrong or do they need powers and we'll need more powers and we'll finish with finance as well. the phillips scandal, how phillips truss scandal, how people who were clients of building society bars were referred to companies . they lost referred to companies. they lost an awful lot of money. some of these one of the victims these people, one of the victims joins tonight. would joins me tonight. it would appear the financial conduct joins me tonight. it would appear thsimply cial conduct joins me tonight. it would appear thsimply don't)nduct joins me tonight. it would appear thsimply don't care:t authority simply don't care about individuals losing their money. all of that comes after the news with polly middlehurst . the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening. the top story tonight , evening. the top story tonight, the prime minister has confirmed that the gaza hospital blast last week was likely caused by a missile launching towards israel. rishi sunak said in the commons today. the al hospital

blast was caused by a missile or part of one that came from within gaza. he also said the uk is providing an additional £20 million worth of aid to civilians in gaza, as well as deploying raf and royal navy personnel to the region . personnel to the region. >> the british government judges that the explosion was likely caused by a missile or part of one that was launched from within gaza towards israel. the misreporting of this incident had a negative effect in the region , including on a vital us region, including on a vital us diplomatic effort and on tensions here at home. we need to learn the lessons and ensure that in future there is no rush to judgement . to judgement. >> the metropolitan police commissioner has told the home secretary the government may need to toughen the law on hate crime and terrorism . it comes crime and terrorism. it comes after sir mark rowley met with

suella braverman to discuss the force's decision not to arrest protesters calling for jihad against israel. a demonstration was all over the uk at the weekend , sir mark said. horrific weekend, sir mark said. horrific and gruesome attacks by hamas have also aggravated our own terrorist threats in the uk with hate crime against jewish communities is up 13 fold compared to this time last year. sir mark said. 34 arrests have been made so far and the force is still trying to identify another 22 people from photography . photography. >> p we're cancelled the law. we can't enforce taste or decency , can't enforce taste or decency, but we can enforce the law . but we can enforce the law. conversation finished really around the line of the law and it's our job to enforce to that line . it's parliament's job to line. it's parliament's job to draw that line and the thought that maybe events at the moment are illustrating, maybe some of the lines aren't quite in the right place. >> meanwhile, a london underground tube driver who led a free palestine chant on his

packed train has been suspended. transport for london saying the driver who led the chant on saturday has been suspended pending further investigation into the incident. it happened on saturday as around 100,000 protesters took part in a pro—palestinian demonstration in london. in footage posted online by a journalist appeared to show the chant being led over the train's speaker system . and train's speaker system. and lastly , a man who bought a pool lastly, a man who bought a pool table after winning £2.4 million on the national lottery is now queuing up to represent england at the european pool championships. neil jones and his partner curly julie kirkham, won the money just before christmas 2010. after getting the table, mr jones took advantage of all the free time he had on his hand to brush up on his pool skills, and he's now risen through the ranks, he said. representing england in malta the championships will malta at the championships will be his proudest moment. malta at the championships will be his proudest moment . this is

be his proudest moment. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> good evening. three months ago i put in a subject access request to natwest bank, who are of course the parent bank of coutts. normally under the law an sa should come back in 30 days. however, they wrote to me and said it would take three months to come back because it was complex. well, i was slightly tipped the wink on saturday when mohammed kamal said who was the interim ceo? remember the last one got sacked quite rightly so. he's the interim ceo of coutts, said dear mr farage, today you will have received the response to your third data subject access request . this includes request. this includes commentary from other clients and members of the public who contacted the bank and has been made available to you in a separate document. thank you for

your patience. whilst we process this complex request . just in this complex request. just in completing your dsr , our completing your dsr, our processes have uncovered some inappropriate comments and poor behaviours for which i would like to apologise and reassure . like to apologise and reassure. assure you that we are following up on these areas as appropriate . as i said in my previous letter to you, we are committed to learning the lessons from this so that in the future we live up to the high expectations our clients rightly have of us. yours sincerely, mo. well, i really had had i not been tipped the wink. so in 600 pages of documents and we've just begun to have a look at it, it begins by them deciding whether the account should be closed and talking about my extreme opinions and actually what they have to say about this is quite extraordinary. and they say if we close his account, i'd imagine journos would presume that it's one of the following. he is broke . that it's one of the following. he is broke. he is that it's one of the following. he is broke . he is involved with he is broke. he is involved with something shady , or we're doing

something shady, or we're doing it for political reasons. they go on now to say that if they didn't close my account, it imagine what the impact might be. consideration on the impact on staff with retaining a client who has been so vocal with racist, xenophobic , misogynistic racist, xenophobic, misogynistic and anti semitic views. well, apart from all of that being absolutely vile and appalling, i suppose they thought if i stayed a client, there might be a terrible mental health impact. just imagine the poor darlings at natwest head office. but one of the key reasons i was de—banking was over climate change where they make it absolutely clear a particular area to consider is ngf's stance on climate change. it does not augn on climate change. it does not align with the bank's purpose or be core objectives. now you know that because, of course, because the organisation based in america that puts pressure on

both the public and private sectors is to go for a highly politicised agenda. they seem very , very pleased. when the very, very pleased. when the account was closed by saying they hoped very much that had taken me down a peg or two and they were. i think, even more thrilled, even more thrilled when they saw the bbc headline. and this, of course, was the kicker. this is when dame alison rose had broken client confidentiality, had briefed that the business editor of the bbc and the headline was nigel farage bank account shut for falling below the wealth limit, which we know not to be true. and that led to much internal debate and one of alison rose's team concluded that it was really very simple. it was just because , as i was some kind of because, as i was some kind of awful human being. yes, you're an awful human being. and lol laugh out loud , but i guess that

laugh out loud, but i guess that pleased them because as i started to respond publicly on this internal whatsapp group within the head office of natwest, it was said, what's the crackpot saying now? well, all right, maybe they get me on that one. i'll give them that. but here's the one that really shows you and tells you so much about these people. they actually thought and hoped that because they'd closed me down and at the time , nobody else would have me, time, nobody else would have me, that maybe , just maybe, i would that maybe, just maybe, i would even be driven out of the country, which i find absolutely extraordinary . have we single extraordinary. have we single handedly driven drive? they put nf out of the country as if this was really the objective? it's funny, isn't it? when i first broke this story and when nobody else would bank me , i did else would bank me, i did actually say maybe i simply have to leave country . and of to leave the country. and one of the other comments that we the other vile comments that we found was one that was actually physically in a way quite

threatening . yet one of them threatening. yet one of them said that they would actually be actually, i'd throw a milkshake at him if he approached if i was approached to open an account for him . well, the only slight for him. well, the only slight mitigation was one of the people there did post separately that they'd spoken to me on the telephone , just had nigel farage telephone, just had nigel farage on the phone. he is actually ali. okay. as a client, he sounded exactly like he does on tv. he is quite nice and lives not far from me. oh, well, at least one of them there appears to be reasonable now. we, of course, have gone back to natwest today and they've come back and said, we have written to farage to apologise to mr farage to apologise sincerely for the deeply inappropriate comments made about the poor about him and the poor behaviours displayed . neither behaviours displayed. neither are with the are consistent with the standards service that standards of service s that our client should the group standards of service s that our clie|commissioned the group standards of service s that our clie|commissioned 'independent has commissioned an independent review into recent events. phase one of which has been delivered to the board and we will

complete the necessary processes and publish the key findings along with the group's response as soon as possible . all we are as soon as possible. all we are determined to learn the necessary lessons so necessary lessons from this so that the future we live up to that in the future we live up to the high expectations our clients upon us. clients rightly place upon us. so is the review from so this is the review from a leading firm of london lawyers who's emeritus chair says that brexiteers are xenophobic and racist. quite how independent that's going to be. i don't know what we do know is that the board meets on thursday and natwest board meets on thursday . natwest board meets on thursday. that the quarterly figures are out on friday day and that on thursday they will be discussing the pay with which dame alison rose leaves the natwest group. at the moment she's due to leave with just over £11 million, £11 million. and i would like to think that the evidence and by the way, what i've shown you tonight is just a tiny percentage of what will uncover over the course of the next few days. this was the culture that

dame alison rose took natwest to, and i hope the board deal with it properly. now, last weekend the 14th of october, we saw in london marches going through the streets of the capital, something like 30,000 people turned up on the streets and we, of course, saw those two women. you remember, with the hamas paraglider photographs on their backs . and we were told by their backs. and we were told by suella, by suella, the home secretary braverman that this wasn't good enough, that the police would act. well, this weekend, the 21st of october, the protests were so much bigger , the were actually about 100,000 people on the streets. palestinian flags to be seen everywhere . their desecration everywhere. their desecration once again, of war memorials. this particular shot being the bomber command memorial, but so much that we'd seen the week before, just this time on an even bigger scale, protests

climbing up onto the london buses and protests outside the cenotaph. please use helping a protester climbing down the scaffolding. very concerned about this chap. they were so concerned they asked if he was okay and gave him back his palestinian flag. well done . the palestinian flag. well done. the boys in blue. absolutely marvellous. and he told the police, look out, there's more people up there. but it gets worse . it gets worse than the worse. it gets worse than the palestinian flag because we actually see protesters with a black flag. now this black flag, i think, to many would be seen to be a jihadi flag, a flag that we've associated in the past with with al—qaeda and isis. the police don't seem to think so. they seem to think this is some sort of religious symbol. well, i would remind you, you know, that whilst they wave this flag

and make hateful chants about the , here's our friend the jews, here's our old friend osama bin laden sitting in front of that exact flag . and finally of that exact flag. and finally and i could show you so many images, but finally , here's one images, but finally, here's one of the protest groups shouting out in the streets of london, clearly calling for jihad music out in the streets of london, clearly calling forjihad music . clearly calling for jihad music. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> now, the police have responded to all of this, but i'm not sure, frankly, many of us think their responses are are satisfactory. frankly it seems to me that for the met to say the word jihad has a number of meanings. but we know the public will most commonly associate it with terrorism . um, we have with terrorism. um, we have specialist counter—terror terrorism officers here in the operations room who have particular knowledge in this area. they have assessed the video, filmed at the hizb ut—tahrir protest, by the way, a group that is banned in most other european countries in

central london today and have not identified any offences arising from specific clips. and it goes on. so i suppose the debate here really folks, is how of the police just turned a blind eye? does radical islam now have free rein on the streets of london? because we're just too scared of them and there are too just many of them or or is the boss of the met, sir mark rowley, today right out to say that actually the laws are not clear enough now ? look, are not clear enough now? look, i am absolutely going to make this clear that i do believe the police were in a devil of a position. you know , the chant position. you know, the chant from the river to the sea, palestine shall be free. well, it actually means the obliteration of israel. but is that a level at which the police intervene? my own view is people shouting jihad and carrying around isis flags and shouting all sorts of things about the jews. i would have thought those

things had stepped way beyond the mark and that just arresting ten people on the streets of london on saturday for this, frankly, was a joke. well, i'm joined, i'm pleased to say, by sir grant, former sir mark lyall grant, former uk ambassador the and more ambassador to the un, and more importantly in this context, former national security adviser to the prime minister mark accepted that it's a tough job for the police and it's a hell of a tough job. 100,000 people. well, and you know, for the police, the met said there was no chaos. we've got all sorts of video footage of real chaos going on out there. so i understand that they would not wish to provoke , you know, a wish to provoke, you know, a violent incident where there hugely outnumbered, i guess, all of that. but when it comes to that isis flag, when it comes to all sorts of horrible things being chanted about the jews, shouldn't they have done more? well i think that is a subjective question. >> nigel. i know i would not criticise the police because i think they are in a very difficult position. they don't draw up the legislation. they

try and police it up to the line of the legislation, as mark rowley said. and interesting , rowley said. and interesting, mark rowley himself said two years recommended years ago recommended to the government change the government that they change the law some of these law to close some of these loopholes and uncertainties. but actually what's happened is that in some ways it's actually become less strict about the legislation than it was previously. in what way ? since previously. in what way? since they took out the words insult fighting language, now you can argue, well, that's everyone's right to be insulted, but it's all subjective in the end, isn't it? absolutely and so, you know what they have to do is they have to be able to prove and they were to talking prosecutors at the time of the demonstration that there was an offence or potentially an offence being committed. and they obviously decided with the flag, with the chanting jihad, that maybe it chanting of jihad, that maybe it didn't cross the line. personally, i think hizbul tahrir, which you mentioned, which was the demonstration where some of that worst action happened and probably should be

proscribed in this country. i mean, we've described 75 organisations. they are pretty bad and they're very active in universities. for instance , in universities. for instance, in this country and as you say, have been banned in many other countries. yeah, glorifying terrorism is not an offence in this country. i think it probably should be. so there is things that could be changed in the legislation. yes. >> i mean, there were even people up on lampposts setting off fireworks. and i mean, if anybody else some of those off fireworks. and i mean, if anybnarrested, some of those off fireworks. and i mean, if anybnarrested, though; of those were arrested, though. >> i mean, 34 people have been arrested, 34 in total, 22 are being investigated . okay. we being investigated. okay. we said so. but a lot of those were for public order offences like firing a crowded firing fireworks in a crowded place and things like that. not many been arrested under many have been arrested under the terrorism act as opposed to the terrorism act as opposed to the public act, which is a the public order act, which is a bit different. >> but do you see the concern, the concern is that that the concern is that those that are glorifying are potentially glorifying hideous whatever the historical rights and wrongs of this , as rights and wrongs of this, as i think anyone who doesn't condemn what happened on the 7th of october with that incursion into

israel, frankly, isn't human. >> no, i agree. >> yeah, no, i agree. >> yeah, no, i agree. >> because it was absolutely i say whatever the history, whatever grievances, it was whatever the grievances, it was absolutely in every in absolutely vile in every in every sense of word . every sense of the word. >> but criticising the government of israel, calling for a palestinian state is not illegal in this country. and it shouldn't be illegal in this country. you know, i was national security adviser when the xi jinping of china came on a state visit and his advance people came, the security people said, we do not want any demonstrations, is against the people's republic of china. that would be unacceptable . and we would be unacceptable. and we said, no, i'm sorry, we can't do that. live in a free country. maybe you don't, but we do. and we must allow demonstrations, even if they are highly critical of visitors. so getting that of our visitors. so getting that balance right is always going to be difficult. well, it is. it would be very hesitant to criticise the police on particular operational decisions. they've taken one of the parts of the crowd the chance in parts of the crowd was curse upon the jews , curse was curse upon the jews, curse upon the jews . upon the jews. >> i'm sorry. i think that goes

way beyond the line. and i i'm sure that would i believe in free speech, you know, of course i >> and i would i hadn't even heard that before. and i'm sure that it might have been that would be it might have been at the edges. >> yeah. and it's possible, to be fair to the police that it's being investigated. >> is anti—semitic. >> now, that is anti—semitic. and there's clearly been a rise in anti—semitism and rise in in anti—semitism and a rise in islamophobia well . but islamophobia as well. but overall, nigel, i mean, it's quite impressive in a way that 100,000 people marched. and yes, there were some disturbing cases, was seriously cases, but no one was seriously injured. and we have not had the sort of isolated terrorist attacks we've seen in france. we've seen in belgium. well we haven't had to. well, actually, we haven't raised the threat level in this country yet. no. and that's of some credit to the police. >> well, there is one particular case that we can't talk about because it's subdued to say that will i think, the will be coming, i think, to the courts very the newspapers courts very soon. the newspapers were hinting about it at the weekend. i'm not allowed to talk about it, but i think find

about it, but i think we'll find it's pretty to some things it's pretty close to some things that so, that happened in france. so, mark, coming in mark, thank you for coming in and giving us a balanced on and giving us a balanced view on this. however, a moment, what this. however, in a moment, what we talk about are two young we will talk about are two young lads on saturday lads who turned up on saturday with a cross of saint george. we'll how the police dealt we'll see how the police dealt with wonder why with them and we'll wonder why a marching golders green was effectively shut down by the police .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, let's stick with how things were policed on saturday in london. now, two young lads turned up with a cross of saint george, no doubt there was a slight sense of impishness in what they were doing. but let's just have a look at what happened. just have a look at what happened . you can hear me all right. >> for the moment, anything racist or even close to racism is said . is said. >> no, no, let me think. let me

think. let me finish. i'm finished. the moment anything gets anything close to that, right, people are going to start getting arrested. it's just getting arrested. yeah it's just this a verbal this is just a verbal warning that know, all on the that you know, we're all on the same page. that's all it is. no, no, no. i'm not worrying. i'm not having a go. we're not having no, but it's not fair. >> no, i'm sorry, but because two young lads turned up with a cross saint george, why on cross of saint george, why on earth young cop assume earth does that young cop assume they're going to say something racist there plenty of racist when there were plenty of things said amongst some things being said amongst some of the other 100,000 that were clearly, openly and overtly racist and much as i accepted in the first part of this programme , that the have a devil , that the police have a devil of a job and yes, they have to act within the law, but they also have exercise also have to exercise discretion. have to say discretion. and i have to say that particular clip makes me blooming angry. well, let's see what graham west and former met police officer and author of how to be a police officer. well, graham, welcome to the show. as author of how to be a police officer. i mean there's something there. something wrong there. >> me. and know people >> not for me. and i know people

are to disagree on this are going to disagree on this for me. and i think you have to take that. that's a clip. so i'm not sure what led to it and not sure what led up to it and what was aftennards. they what was said aftennards. they got they got the they got the flag. saint george's flag. and what's wrong with nothing what's wrong with that? nothing at think if you look at all. but i think if you look at all. but i think if you look at they are and who at where they are and who they've around who may they've got around them, who may not actually accept people with an amongst not actually accept people with an protests. amongst their protests. >> see. how dare you be >> oh, i see. how dare you be engushin >> oh, i see. how dare you be english in london? you know. >> no, it's not that at all. it's just that it's almost like, fellas, you just to be fellas, you just need to be careful today where you are careful today of where you are and you're and and what you're doing. and almost just putting almost like, just just putting them on notice that there might almost like, just just putting the people otice that there might almost like, just just putting the people that that there might almost like, just just putting the people that take there might almost like, just just putting the people that take exception|ht almost like, just just putting the people that take exception to be people that take exception to them. almost for their them. so it's almost for their own safety or. well being. there's no problem with them being again, you can being there. and again, you can have if you want not even a have if you want it, not even a counter—protest, but you can have a different people have like a different people with different flags there. but it's saying to them, it's almost just saying to them, just careful, don't just be careful, don't get embroiled engagement embroiled in in like engagement or we could or being so excited. we could say that the police thought say then that the police thought that were there that the fact they were there might provocation on. no, might be a provocation on. no, not a provocation. butjust not a provocation. but just only only our safety. so

only for our own safety. so you're here with your flag. you're you're english, you're clearly you're english, you're england. you're supporting england. that's do this, that's great. you can do this, but just mindful that. but just be mindful of that. there some here. yeah, there might be some here. yeah, which fine. don't like you, which is fine. don't like you, so be careful so fine. just be careful yourselves look after yourselves and look after yourselves. careful yourselves. so be careful what you're and i think it you're saying. and i think it was just a word of warning. i'd be. i'd surprised be. i'd be surprised if it didn't almost, like, be. i'd be surprised if it didrwarn almost, like, be. i'd be surprised if it didrwarn them,almost, like, be. i'd be surprised if it didrwarn them, but)st, like, be. i'd be surprised if it didrwarn them, but just.ike, be. i'd be surprised if it didrwarn them, but just say to not warn them, but just say to them, fellas, just be careful how behave today. it. how you behave today. that's it. just be just respectful and just be just be respectful and peaceful about your business. >> don't anything racist >> don't say anything racist because and with because you're white and with that so therefore we that flag. so therefore we think. didn't. that flag. so therefore we thirhe didn't. that flag. so therefore we thirhe didn'tiidn't. that flag. so therefore we thirhe didn't sayt. that flag. so therefore we thirhe didn't say that, did he? >> he didn't say that, did he? he said, just be careful of he just said, just be careful of any racist comments. >> yeah. now, now more >> yeah. okay now, now more seriously, there was a pro—israel march protest planned for green, which for golders green, which has been for a very, very long been known for a very, very long time. think probably the most time. i think probably the most jewish certainly days, the jewish certainly these days, the most london. they most jewish part of london. they were about 30,000 were expecting about 30,000 people join this march . and people to join this march. and in the end, police pressure led to the organisers saying we've just got to cancel it and, you know, it was it was a pray for

israel . it was in fact the israel. it was in fact the christian action that were actually behind the whole thing. and you can't help feeling great. um, you know, as i said at the start of this show, it's almost as if radical islam will just sort of back off and say, it's all a bit too tricky. but if you're a much smaller number of people , well, we're going to of people, well, we're going to be tough on you . and i, you be tough on you. and i, you know, i'm guessing here. and there was, in fact, the next day in trafalgar square last night in trafalgar square last night in trafalgar square last night in trafalgar square, there was a last minute impromptu gathering , last minute impromptu gathering, which was very much about freeing the hostages, which i think passed off peacefully i >> yeah, from what i've seen as well, you know, thank goodness. >> i lived in golders >> but if i lived in golders green and i was now living in a street that that had taken out private security because as you can't expect the police to walk up and down the road every day, there's private security. when there's private security. when the kids go to school . and this

the kids go to school. and this is where i've been forced in my life. and yet what i want to have a peaceful march in my own district. i'm effectively pressurised by the police not to do something seems very do it. something seems very wrong well i don't know wrong there. well i don't know the circumstances of why, what the circumstances of why, what the was, whether it was the pressure was, whether it was to with either safety of the to do with either safety of the crowds roads or whatever. crowds on the roads or whatever. >> the police don't normally stop processions. they normally work to try and work with organisers to try and facilitate protest facilitate any form of protest or so without or procession. so without knowing that knowing the facts of why that was off, there could be was called off, there could be any number of reasons why they felt it wasn't right to go ahead with on whatever day it was. with it on whatever day it was. >> in your view? you know, it was interesting seeing sir mark rowley earlier and was rowley earlier on, and he was really the really saying to the home secretary because she's been having him in sense, having a go at him in a sense, he was saying to her in he was really saying to her in the government, give us a clearer set of rules. do you think it's possible to have clearer of to do with clearer sets of rules to do with what we're discussing here? this subject or end , does it subject, or in the end, does it just does it just come down to police discretion? >> the law is quite restrictive when and was

when you look at and he was mentioning the public order act, terrorism and the public terrorism act and the public order basically got 3—3 order act basically got 3—3 threads through threads running through it, threatening, abusive, insulting, even to even when it comes down to inciting racial hatred. act inciting racial hatred. the act they have one those they do must have one of those three things it. so they also three things in it. so they also had crown prosecution had the crown prosecution service lawyers, specialist service lawyers, the specialist crime were crime advisers there, who were looking clips from looking at all those clips from what see on the clips, they what they see on the clips, they couldn't any offences taking couldn't see any offences taking place. mean say place. that doesn't mean to say nothing happen. it just nothing will happen. it just means time, from what means at the time, from what they can see and what they're being they don't think being told, they don't think it's threshold a it's reached the threshold of a criminal that doesn't criminal offence. that doesn't mean get investigated mean it doesn't get investigated and have public and they may have got a public order crime who have been order crime team who have been working on. you mentioned last saturday's last saturday's event as well, last saturday's event as well, last saturday's and this saturday's event and this saturday's event and this saturday's be saturday's event. they'll be going and looking going through clips and looking at the context of what was at all the context of what was said, was said, getting said, where it was said, getting the to make statements the officers to make statements on they heard. so on what they actually heard. so try build a bigger picture. try and build a bigger picture. you've you, then got you've then got you, then got more possible more evidence of possible offences. you maybe offences. then you had maybe at 5:00 saturday evening. when 5:00 on a saturday evening. when you're at it on you're looking at it on a screen. know, great screen. so you know, great phrase, justice is phrase, justice delayed is justice it may well be justice denied. it may well be that somebody will getting that somebody will be getting know that somebody will be getting kno graham watson, thank you.

>> graham watson, thank you. thank coming on and joining thank you. coming on and joining us, i've tried be as us, folks, i've tried to be as reasonable i can with both of reasonable as i can with both of the guests and i understand it's a of a job for the a hell of a tough job for the police. just can't help police. i just can't help feeling that it's all a bit too one sided at the moment. and it makes me pretty angry in a moment. robert jenrick. yes the cabinet minister is going to close down 100 migrant hotels he thinks it may be will help the conservatives hold lots of seats at the next election. we'll discuss that after the

to gb news radio. immigration minister robert jenrick is to tell us that the current 51,000 people were staying in 400 hotels at a cost of £8.2 million a day. >> it's all going to be solved because 100 of the hotels will close. interestingly it would appear that most of them are going to close in key mark marginal constituencies . and i'm

marginal constituencies. and i'm guessing ivan sampson, immigration lawyer and friend of the programme. i mean, if you clear them out of hotels, you've got to put them somewhere, haven't you? >> indeed. and so where do you put them? i mean, are going put them? i mean, are they going to them up in barracks or in to put them up in barracks or in the bibby stockholm yeah. the bibby stockholm barge. yeah. and that's already had challenges human rights challenges on, on human rights grounds. you're to grounds. and i know you're to going going to complain about, but come back to that. but we'll come back to that. >> the problem is that >> yeah, but the problem is that these accommodation are >> yeah, but the problem is that these to accommodation are >> yeah, but the problem is that these to beaccommodation are >> yeah, but the problem is that these to be for)mmodation are >> yeah, but the problem is that these to be for shortdation are >> yeah, but the problem is that these to be for short periods re meant to be for short periods under section 95 of the immigration and nationality. >> and that's the problem. so when for long when you housing people for long periods, got a right to periods, they've got a right to say, wait a second, you can't house me in a barrack in dormitory us for months on end. oh no , they've sorts of rights. >> i'm certain of that. what are the problems course, the problems, of course, has been massive backlog . now been the massive backlog. now the , the government the government, the government are pleased that only 25,000 young men have crossed the channel. this year. we're supposed to cheer as if that's some kind of victory. and interestingly jenrick also interestingly, jenrick has also hinted last couple of hinted over the last couple of days we can't the

days that we can't stop the boats completely, which seems a bit a surrender from bit of a surrender from where rishi was. they do say that rishi was. but they do say that the numbers of those waiting to be processed that that that list is now declining rapidly . is is now declining rapidly. is that because basically we just let everybody stay? >> that's not actually accurate. what's what's declined and is a legacy applications . yeah so legacy applications. yeah so anything pre june 2022. yeah that's gone down by about 50. okay so that has declined. but what's happening is as more people are coming through the backlog is actually at 175,000. that's the current waiting still enormous. well, it's the highest it's ever been. yeah. and so and what they're trying to catch their tail and the more people are coming thankfully there's been a reduction of 30% from the numbers last year. yes why that is no one knows. i don't think it's down to the weather and it's down to the weather and it's certainly not down to the french doing their job or any government policies. but it's gone down. >> i mean, it's down. >> yeah, i mean, it's down. i think the weather's been a huge factor actually. but 200

factor actually. but i mean, 200 came today it was came today because it was a relatively calm day. i the relatively calm day. i think the weather has been a factor for the albanians aren't coming because particular because that particular loophole was but still , if was closed. and but still, if i'd i'd said you i'd said if i'd said to you folks home five years ago, folks at home five years ago, 25,000 young men would cross the engush 25,000 young men would cross the english in dinghies, in english channel in dinghies, in 2023, believed 2023, you wouldn't have believed me. way you it, me. so whichever way you cut it, it's not great much of it's not that great much of this, i mean, of those that are going through the process, most get accepted, don't they? they do. most are allowed to stay. they do we deport they do because we can't deport them the problem >> and that's the problem because know where because we don't know where they're no. and people they're from. no. and people know that they on know that when they embark on these journeys, they know that when get here, nothing is when they get here, nothing is going to happen them . they going to happen to them. they will eventually settle in the uk. i know, i know. and that's and problem with this and that's the problem with this huge problem. huge part of the problem. >> now, the big disincentive that up that the government came up of course, was rwanda course, with was the rwanda plan. we've had the plan. we've been we've had the hearing, the three day hearing at the supreme court. we have a judgement december judgement coming in december sometime, it sometime, we think at and it would appear from the briefings that are now coming out, you know, through the government

sort of back of the hand stuff to senior journalists that they expect to lose. >> i think that's the general consensus. >> i think that's the general consensus . and i think what's consensus. and i think what's worrying is, is what advice are they getting before making these announcements? because i read today in the guardian that the next flight will be in february. now yeah, i read that. i read that article. so yeah, i mean, i think again, they're putting the cart before the horse and making these announcement for whatever reasons they have. but no, if they the rwanda, if the they lose the rwanda, if the government lose the rwanda ruling , then i'm afraid that ruling, then i'm afraid that policy is dead in the water. yeah. £100 million has also been wasted by the government. >> and even if they win , they >> and even if they win, they could be taken to our friends in strasbourg, can't they? indeed i. i'm going to make a prediction. i think if the government does lose this case, which i think it probably will, i think that's the moment at which we get a big political

shift and we start to have a serious debate about continued membership of echr where you membership of the echr where you and disagree and i will disagree very strongly. still think we strongly. do you still think we should of this thing? should stay part of this thing? >> think we need to look >> no, i think we need to look at the echr, parts that at the echr, the parts that benefit the country and the parts don't. i'm totally parts that don't. i'm totally with you. >> so can we derogate from the bad bits? well, because it's been before that are been said before that there are rules from strasbourg that some member states actually just member states are actually just choose we sort of choose to ignore. and we sort of half ignored the votes for prisoners is there a is prisoners stuff. is there a is there middle ground? do you there some middle ground? do you think? >> somewhere is in >> somewhere it is in negotiations? look, the treaty has be ratified by the has to be ratified by all the members, going to members, and that's going to take long? can just take how long? so can we just pull some parts? no we pull out some parts? no we can't. need remove can't. we need to either remove ourselves from it and then we have to remember northern ireland. and ireland. do you know what? and so think it's a lot more so i think it's a lot more complex written into complex and it's written into all devolution packages . all the devolution packages. >> well, it's rather >> no, it is. well, it's rather like the brexit debate. can we reform from within or do we leave? ivan thank you leave? ivan samson, thank you very much now, a real very much indeed. now, a real what farage moment. what the farage moment. olaf scholz, the german chancellor, went and came back to

went to israel and came back to berlin on to find that jewish people had had star of david's on their doors. there were huge pro—palestinian pro hamas , pro—palestinian pro hamas, frankly, demonstrations taking place in berlin and other german cities . so this place in berlin and other german cities. so this in place in berlin and other german cities . so this in germany, cities. so this in germany, where never again, of course, is what they've always been saying since 1945, led to an interview in der spiegel, where the german chancellor has said we have to deport people more often and faster. wow so the language is changing around europe. oh, dean changing around europe. oh, dear, oh dear, oh dear. the rugby. the rugby on saturday evening, i thought england played incredibly well. they've had a much better tournament than anybody thought. but but we so locked the south africans down for much of the game that it all got a bit spicy. down for much of the game that it all got a bit spicy . we now it all got a bit spicy. we now to curry our flanker in one of these little rucks . there were these little rucks. there were cross words with the south african bongi mbonambi. i

probably pronounce that terribly, but curry says in the middle of it all he was called a white c—word and he complained to the ref. and nothing has happened. and i personally think generally when things are said in the heat at the moment, they should be forgotten. but can you imagine? can you imagine if one of the england players had said to the south african, you black so—and—so, you black c—word , can so—and—so, you black c—word, can you imagine on the international uproar there would have been this, folks, is the world we live in one of complete double standards in the most extraordinary way. i talk to you some weeks ago about the phillips truss scandal, about the fact that building societies were advising customers to go to certain will writing services and trusts , and that certain and trusts, and that certain individuals had lost a huge amount of money. and yet the financial regulator appeared to wash their hands of it. this

story is not going away. i'm going to speak to one of the

the world is full of rules, rules and regulations. endless rules and regulations. endless rules and regulations. and yet it seems that for some individuals they can actually just lose their money and no one seems to care. well, one member of parliament who i'm pleased to say has picked up this phillips truss story that i ran a few weeks ago here is david simmons, and he's the mp, conservative mp for ruislip northwood and pinner dave and i gave a brief outline on this a few weeks ago that building societies had recommended people to will writing organisations to trust companies and in many cases these people have lost a great deal of money, haven't they? >> yes. there's a group of members of parliament who've been looking at what's happening to their constituents rates and as begun to compare

as we've begun to compare notes, what a pattern where what we found is a pattern where people been introduced people have been introduced often by bank or a often by their bank or a building society to someone who's written a will or set up a trust for them. and then sometimes after that person has died or maybe they've grown ill often with dementia and family members have stepped and members have stepped in and tried sort out their tried to help sort out their financial affairs, situation tried to help sort out their finacomeiffairs, situation tried to help sort out their fina come to rirs, situation tried to help sort out their fina come to light situation tried to help sort out their fina come to light whereion tried to help sort out their fina come to light where they may has come to light where they may have their home. they may have lost their home. they may have lost their home. they may have seen assets have been have seen assets that have been transferred their control transferred beyond their control or sold, something or simply been sold, something that's created problems for them. for example , people them. for example, people sometimes set these up to sometimes have set these up to avoid inheritance tax and created a capital gains tax liability for the people they meant money to go so meant the money to go to. so it's all sorts of problems beginning to emerge from and beginning to emerge from it. and we that those we need to make sure that those who profited from this behaviour are accountable for that. are held accountable for that. >> mean, you >> yeah, i mean, david, you know, fool his money are know, a fool and his money are soon parted . if people soon parted. if people get things things things right, they get things wrong of their own wrong in terms of their own investments. that's fine. you buy stock, it goes up, it goes buy a stock, it goes up, it goes down. whatever it is that's down to you. i think what really angers people here in

angers people here is that in most cases was the building most cases it was the building societies recommending these services customers and services to their customers and receiving a commission. and then when it goes wrong, washing their hands of it. but even and this is the bit that gets me this is the bit that gets me this is the bit that gets me even the fca arguing these weren't regulated products . weren't regulated products. nothing to do with us. gov and that's not acceptable. >> i think the thing we're looking at is how we make sure that when a regulated financial institution provides or sells a service to its customers , that service to its customers, that it's clear what the accountability is around that. and we've all seen the adverts where companies saying, you where companies are saying, you know, should sign up with know, you should sign up with this. regulated by or this. we are regulated by one or another schemes , but another of these schemes, but the that we're marketing the product that we're marketing to you at the moment is not regulated all and that's regulated at all and that's creating for people. and creating risks for people. and the the buyer the argument that the buyer beware simply isn't sufficient. we to make sure that we've we need to make sure that we've got effective regulation so the customer knows exactly what they're what the they're buying and what the risks are. >> also an effective >> but we also need an effective regulator. and i you know, i've

read reams since my own battles with the natwest group a few months ago. i've read reams of documents that have come from the fca where they're literally bullying organisations to adopt inclusion and diversity quotas, where they're going to change the rules for who is an acceptable person to have a licence in the financial services industry, which will include social media comments that the fca may not like. and they're spending an awful lot of time on this . and it seems to me time on this. and it seems to me david simmons has less time. one worrying about people getting pred worrying about people getting ripped off. >> yeah , you're absolutely >> yeah, you're absolutely right. and that's the conclusion i've come to with many colleagues that the purpose of the fca and other regulators in other markets is to make sure that businesses doing that these businesses are doing their job that these businesses are doing theirjob properly. not their job properly. they're not there to promote best practise. they're to sure that basic they're to make sure that basic regulatory are being regulatory standards are being upheld so customers are not being put at risk. and that's what we need to see their focus

being. yeah , absolutely. being. yeah, yeah, absolutely. >> promise keep up >> do you promise you'll keep up the pressure . for he's frozen ? the pressure. for he's frozen? well, i didn't get his answer . well, i didn't get his answer. i'm going to assume it's a positive given that he came on the programme to talk about it. well, let's join a real life victim, gordon crosswhite is a victim, gordon crosswhite is a victim of the phillips trust scandal. gordon, welcome to the program. i know you're not a happy bunny, just sort of in potted form . what happened to potted form. what happened to you? >> it was my mother in law. she was introduced to the estate planning group by the building society, and they handed her over to a financial adviser who worked for their subsidiary company, newcastle financial advisers limited and. and the whole aim was to get her to set up an investment fund and put it into a trust that belonged to the family trust corporation. and that's what happened. and on three different occasions she was advised to take funds from

her building society accounts and other accounts with other building societies or savings and put them into that investment fund that belonged to the family trust corporation and the family trust corporation and the family trust corporation and the family trust corporation was taken over by the phillips trust corporation and between 2018 and 2019, we didn't hear anything from the building society or newcastle financial advisers limited about advising us that that money belonged to an unregular company. >> so the newcastle building society recommended you take this course of action in the first place. yeah, even directly and indirectly, because as there subsidiary company was with a company that advised us to put the investments into the. but i'm confused , gordon, because i'm confused, gordon, because the building society is a regulated company and any money thatis regulated company and any money that is invested in, you know, invested in markets, bonds , invested in markets, bonds, shares, whatever it is they're all regulated products . how's all regulated products. how's the bit in the middle? not regulated? well, because will

writing and trust set up isn't regulated ? regulated? >> how how is that the case? it's well, it's financial conduct authority rules. >> and obviously financial conduct authority controls the financial ombudsman service who we've complained to who have rejected that complaint on the basis that that wasn't an unregulated activity. and the building society, there are eight building societies involved in this, not just mine at newcastle, but they're saying, well, we introduce you to will writing , but it was the to will writing, but it was the estate planning group . they estate planning group. they introduced you to setting up a family trust, but that was newcastle financial advisers limited newcastle financial advisers limited were appointed by open work, which is another third party company. but i fail to see if newcastle building society weren't in control, how could somebody from a third party company take money out and they of course newcastle and we will have a company response from them in a minute. >> are newcastle on giving this

advice to your family? received advice to your family? received a commission for this? >> absolutely. yes, of course they did. and they don't they don't market and promote things for nothing. >> how money is this so >> so how much money is this so far your family this time? far cost your family this time? >> first all, >> well, first of all, the property was risk. but we've property was at risk. but we've got that back through legal process that we had pay for process that we had to pay for £117,000 invested through newcastle financial advisers limited and the family trust . limited and the family trust. >> so this really hurts in lots of ways. what would you gordon i mean as i said at the start of the programme or the start of this segment, you know, if you put your money into the stock market, you, you might make money, lose money. and money, you might lose money. and that's the that ought to that's the way that it ought to be in society. being be in a free society. being misled what you're misled and into what you're being a very, very being sold is a very, very different thing. the fca don't appear be interested in your case. >> no, no, not well. it's an unregulated activity, apparently . advice and . the financial advice and investment advice is a regulated activity, but they're getting away with it because there's a subsidiary third subsidiary company and a third party company , and it's party company, and it's a triangle of convenience. >> there's something very, very

wrong here. gordon, thank you for in and talking to me. for coming in and talking to me. now, the of course, now, the fca, of course, we have contacted spokesperson , contacted an fca spokesperson, said a very complex they said this is a very complex they always use that word, don't they? complex they? this is a very complex issue. involve having the provision of unregulated services by unregulated firms where concerns about regulated firms have been raised. we have asked the firms for more information, which have information, which we have scrutinised. we have also recently been sent information from consumers affected by this issue and are reviewing this currently. got it all so familiar . currently. got it all so familiar. clear currently. got it all so familiar . clear really isn't it? familiar. clear really isn't it? and a newcastle building society spokesperson says at no point have newcastle building society had any involvement with the phillips trust corporation. any allegation which states we have consented to, supported or have been involved in any transfer from the will writing company limited to the family trust corporation or phillips trust corporation or phillips trust corporation is untrue. i'll give you 10s to answer that. gordon well , clean, clean . well, clean, clean. >> they deny it, but they wrote

to us reassuring us that the investments and properties were not at risk with the phillips trust corporation. >> you better keep hold of that letter, i think. jacob good evening. what have you got coming up? >> talk about. well, we're going to why the police to look at why the police haven't done anything about protesters who seem to be promoting terrorism. we've promoting terrorism. and we've got people who really got one of the people who really knows david knows about it, david lord anderson, who was the government's adviser, independent reviewer on terrorism legislation to explain this, because it's not as simple area that there are questions of freedom of speech. there are questions of whether the law is precise enough , and we to precise enough, and we want to work out people are to work out why people are able to go streets of london go on the streets of london waving jihadi flags. >> the you know, i debated this at length, too, because it seems to be very, very, very important. sir mark rowley, who's boss of the met, who's the new boss of the met, who's the new boss of the met, who i personally think instinctively is infinitely better before better than what went before for. and you may say that's not a very high bar. um, but he kind of he's responding to the home secretary by saying the legislation should be more

precise. do you think it's the legislation that should be more precise or the way the police interpret what's there already? >> that's what i want to get to the bottom of. right. because it's isn't it is hard. it's hard, isn't it? it is hard. and often on this program and we're often on this program defending speech, defending freedom of speech, aren't a woman's aren't we? so when a woman's arrested praying outside an arrested for praying outside an abortion , we think that's abortion clinic, we think that's outrageous. freedom of outrageous. yes. so freedom of speech but speech is important. but promoting illegal. promoting terrorism is illegal. and it's trying to get to the bottom how do you divide this bottom of how do you divide this up? what is the line? and once the line crossed, is the the line is crossed, is the police doing enough to enforce the as is ? and are they the law as it is? and are they using the to its full using the law to its full extent? because it's not just terrorism law, it's public order law. and is . law. and it is. >> and we care about free speech on this channel. but if you carry crosses and you carry crosses and george, you could let's have could be in trouble. let's have a look at the weather. hello >> very good evening. i'm alex burkill. latest gb burkill. here's your latest gb news . it's news weather update. it's already started to turn bit already started to turn a bit wet and across parts, wet and windy across some parts, but and will but the wind and rain will become widespread we go become more widespread as we go overnight . there's overnight into tuesday. there's a pushing its way a system pushing its way northwards france, but

northwards up from france, but also separate front that's also a separate front that's currently its way currently making its way northeastwards across southwestern parts of the uk. this will bring some heavy rain as we go through the end of the day across south—west wales in particular, spread into particular, and then spread into more through the more central parts through the early hours. also some persistent starting in persistent rain starting off in the pushing into the south—east, pushing into more eastern north eastern england hours england through the early hours of a fairly mild of tuesday to a fairly mild night. for many, though, it could be a little chilly across the north—west of scotland, perhaps touch of here perhaps a touch of frost here for many. tuesday is to for many. tuesday is going to be a much picture than on a much wetter picture than on monday. rain monday. heavy, persistent rain across northern eastern parts of england see some high england could see some high totals, could be some disruption here, some flooding to here, chance of some flooding to elsewhere, some bright, sunny spells, but scattering of spells, but also a scattering of showers showers could showers and these showers could turn perhaps even turn heavy, perhaps even thundery the south. thundery towards the south. temperatures normal for the temperatures near normal for the time of year. we're looking at highs or 15 celsius in highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the south. cooler further north into wednesday, we will a into wednesday, we will see a spell of weather across the spell of wet weather across the south—east start also south—east to start and also some rain pushing into eastern parts perhaps parts of scotland, perhaps north—east england. that could turn little bit heavy at

turn a little bit heavy at times. and coming so close to the heavy rain we saw last week, it ongoing issues it could make ongoing issues worse we go worse and othennise as we go through the rest of the week, we're staying with the unsettled picture further and picture with further wind and rain, temperatures near

hello >> good evening. >> good evening. >> it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight . state of the nation tonight. this weekend saw ugly scenes on the streets of london this included jihadist flags being waved and people calling for god's curses to be upon the infidels and the jews . infidels and the jews. meanwhile, a vigil was held in trafalgar square yesterday, and the contrast was stark . obe ipp . the contrast was stark. obe ipp. for this god save the king was

sung by british jews, mourning the loss of 1300 israelis who were murdered on the 17th of october. hamas attack , as well october. hamas attack, as well as the 218 hostages still stuck in the captivity of the terrorist. there simply is no moral equivalence . and in the moral equivalence. and in the light of all this, we'll be discussing what one of my panellists has called the deadly interaction between islamism and the woke. the first claims the legitimacy of theocracy and the other claims, the illegitimacy of western liberal democracy. so is there a tension in multiculturalism ? meanwhile, the multiculturalism? meanwhile, the tories are in a torpor not seen since henry the sixth 18 month long catatonic state in the 15th century labour party has secured two new mps in two by—election wins mid—bedfordshire and tamworth. the conservative party doesn't wake up last week's by—election results will simply be an early taste of the bitter outcome of next year's general election. state of the nation starts now .