understand the families were informed and one of the hostages, grandsons told reporters, we're happy. my grandmother is back. that brings the total number of hostages released to four out of 220 others. still being held by hamas . well, here today, the hamas. well, here today, the prime minister confirmed that the gaza hospital blast last week was likely caused by a missile launching towards israel . rishi sunak told the house of commons today that the al—ahli hospital blast was caused by a missile or part of a missile that came from within gaza. he also said the uk is providing an additional £20 million in aid to civilians in gaza, as well as deploying raf and royal navy assets to the region. >> the british government judges that the explosion was likely caused by a missile or part of one that was launched from within gaza to israel . the within gaza to israel. the misreporting of this incident had a negative effect in the

region , including on a vital us region, including on a vital us diplomatic effort and on tensions here at home. we need to learn the lessons and ensure that in future there is no rush to judgement. well the met police commissioner has told the home secretary today the government may need to toughen up the law on hate crime and terrorism . terrorism. >> it comes after sir mark rowley met with suella braverman to discuss the force's decision, not to arrest protesters, calling for jihad not to arrest protesters, calling forjihad against calling for jihad against israel. a demonstration over the weekend. sir mark also said horrific and gruesome attacks by hamas have aggravated our own terrorist threats within the uk with hate crime against jewish communities up 13 fold compared with this time last year. sir mark said. 34 arrests have been made, so far and the force is trying to identify another 22 people from photographs . people from photographs. meanwhile, a london underground driver who led a free palestine

chant on his pack train has been suspended. three other side hope you will have a blessed day today. >> look after yourself. >> look after yourself. >> transport for london, says the driver who led the chant on saturday has been suspended pending further investigation into the incident. it happened on saturday as around 100,000 protesters took part in a pro—palestinian demonstration in london. footage posted online by a journalist appeared to show the chant being led over the train's speaker system . and train's speaker system. and lastly , a man who bought a pool lastly, a man who bought a pool table after winning £2.4 million on the national lottery is now queuing up to represent england at the european pool championships in malta. neil jones and his partnerjulie kirkham won the money just before christmas in 2010. after getting his new pool table. mr jones decided to take advantage of all the free time he had on his hands . he sharpened of all the free time he had on his hands. he sharpened his skills on the table and rose

through the competitive ranks , through the competitive ranks, he said. representing england in malta will be his proudest moment . but malta will be his proudest moment. but this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. this is britain's news channel . channel. >> hello and welcome to headliners . headliners. >> your first look at tomorrow's newspaper . i >> your first look at tomorrow's newspaper. i am >> your first look at tomorrow's newspaper . i am simon evans newspaper. i am simon evans joining me tonight. we have two headliners favourites man of his word, steve allen, man of the people. nick dixon. they're calling you a populist. >> nick i like it. i can live with that. >> no shame about that of you. >> no shame about that of you. >> yeah. i'm going to launch my political platform after this. you really become the new leader. >> steve, of your bank account. steve, more sort of egg steve, i am more sort of egg headed types out of headed ivory tower types out of touch . touch. >> you could do the policies in the background.

>> you could do the policies in the there|round. >> you could do the policies in the there|roun be the first to be killed. >> we're going to be wonks, aren't we? right. let's have a look those front pages. the look at those front pages. the daily mail kick us off with those that prove the depravity of hamas terrorists. we will be taking a look at that. the telegraph eu clash with uk and us on ceasefire , the guardian us on ceasefire, the guardian bombardment of gaza continues amid talks to free more hostages there. times have sunak chanting jihad is threat to our democracy . the financial times chevron doubles down on fossil fuel wager with 53 billion swoop for hess . not a clue what any of hess. not a clue what any of that means. and the daily star , that means. and the daily star, this one, i understand, is there mice on mars? is there or are there other. well, those are your front page . there other. well, those are your front page. is. there other. well, those are

your front page. is . so that your front page. is. so that star headline is going to haunt me for the rest of the show. but we'll start with the daily mail. steve, what are they leading with? >> yeah, it's not a good one today at all. >> gruesome videos that prove the depravity of hamas terrorists . look, anyone who terrorists. look, anyone who i mean, i suppose i'm biased, i would say right minded as in agree with me who heard the details of the first attack, saw some of the pictures you've already on this. already made your mind on this. but israel have released more details , videos now, the details, videos now, the newspaper haven't put pictures in from the video. it's too gruesome. even the description of some of the things that we could have been shown on, it's a bit too much. it's even reading the details is the kind of thing that's going to haunt you when you start to picture it. and it's because of this this narrative that's come of narrative that's come up of trying almost claim that it's trying to almost claim that it's not that it's not been not true, that it's not been happening. so they've had to release extra details to prove it, very interesting. release extra details to prove it, this very interesting. release extra details to prove it, this i very interesting. release extra details to prove it, this i mean, interesting. release extra details to prove it, this i mean, puttinging. release extra details to prove it, this i mean, putting aside >> this i mean, putting aside the emotional response which my strong andrew neil strong as well, andrew neil tweeted detail . he'd seen tweeted some detail. he'd seen it and said that journalists

were tears that treatment were in tears and that treatment of some of the children is just about the most horrific stuff you imagine. but looking at you can imagine. but looking at it more strategically, it's also quite clearly quite interesting. clearly a sort of propaganda war is being fought, you know, in parallel with the actual well, obviously, hamas are not fighting anymore. they are now, i suppose, calculating whether or not and how and when to release hostages. but as other people have said, there's a it's almost working in in the opposite direction to how war propaganda would traditionally have worked, which would encourage you to think we were winning. nowadays war propaganda is basically about highlighting the horrors, the atrocities committed by the other in order to other side in order to legitimise your i legitimise your response. i suppose it's so suppose because it's so asymmetrical, from asymmetrical, apart from anything , israel could asymmetrical, apart from anyth literally , israel could asymmetrical, apart from anyth literally nuke el could asymmetrical, apart from anyth literally nuke gaza|ld asymmetrical, apart from anyth literally nuke gaza and, quite literally nuke gaza and, you know, dispense with it in a single afternoon. >> that's also probably internal versus external propaganda as well. yeah, you probably want versus external propaganda as wel restah, you probably want versus external propaganda as wel rest of you probably want versus external propaganda as wel rest of the| probably want versus external propaganda as wel rest of the world my want versus external propaganda as wel rest of the world tor want versus external propaganda as wel rest of the world to see. |t the rest of the world to see. yes your your position. >> but the key element of calling it as propaganda is not

in any way to deal legitimise it or it into simply or call it into question simply the purpose that it is serving is to legitimise the amount of force , because that's the thing force, because that's the thing that always is accused that israel is always is accused of, being disproportionate, of, is being disproportionate, isn't it? >> well , yeah, that's also a >> well, yeah, that's also a shift presumably in politics and the way we see things with decolonisation and ideas like this being so strong to be the ultimate victim to garner the ultimate victim is to garner the most sympathy. >> in the past it's more >> whereas in the past it's more like is right. like might is right. >> so perhaps just to >> so perhaps you just want to echo said, just echo what steve said, just reading descriptions reading these descriptions was horrific nauseating . and horrific and nauseating. and it's that they're having it's tragic that they're having to this because people have to do this because people have been playing down and this been playing it down and this sick equivalence sick kind of moral equivalence that engaging that people have been engaging in outright just rabid in or just outright just rabid sort of anti—israel sentiment. and the bbc have and people like the bbc have really dropped ball. really dropped the ball. >> with their >> these woke actors with their open been pretty appalling. >> so things like this just remind of the horrors of remind people of the horrors of what's going what's actually going on. hopefully sober few hopefully we'll sober a few people up, though. i doubt in many cases. >> i mean, i agree. i'm just checking jackie checking her name, jackie walker, who was, of course, accused lot of accused of a lot of anti—semitism within labour anti—semitism within the labour

party corbyn, still party under corbyn, still questioning there questioning is there corroborating evidence from independent organisations now putting aside whatever kind of psychosis or whatever kind of, you know, blackened stone she has where her heart should be? this because this is tactical suicide because obviously most right thing, i mean, like the ovennhelming majority of people now are going to go, oh, i'm so sorry that you had to do this. this doubling down on disbelief is like destroying the case, isn't it? >> i wonder, though, because what me, started off what concerns me, it started off the decolonise the people. >> there was a mask off moment as were celebrating the as they were celebrating the atrocities. then it seemed atrocities. but then it seemed to change to where being anti—israel became the high status sort of status position in the sort of culture war binary. and that's my concern. >> become high status now. so there's no risk, for >> so there's no risk, for example, in the tube driver. >> why feels embolden >> that's why he feels embolden to palestine over the to say, free palestine over the tannoy will come on to that. tannoy we will come on to that. >> on to the telegraph in >> moving on to the telegraph in the meantime. so the the meantime. nick yeah, so the telegraph a stories telegraph has a few stories we're with. we're going with. >> reveals natwest staff we're going with. >> overveals natwest staff we're going with. >> over his.s natwest staff we're going with. >> over his de—banking.aff we're going with. >> over his de—banking and gloated over his de—banking and of course nigel's covered this earlier his show. it is. earlier on his show. but it is. i won't say shocking when i say

shocking. i mean in the sense of indignation disgust. in indignation and disgust. not in the that i'm surprised. so the sense that i'm surprised. so a access request came a subject access request came back. had the one back. it already had the one from coots. is from coots. now this is a separate one natwest and it separate one from natwest and it very much what we suspected and worse. i mean, said he worse. i mean, people said he was nobody. now that was a nobody. now that he's completed weird completed brexit, a bit weird because potential future because he's a potential future prime people i'd prime minister people said i'd happily a milkshake at him happily throw a milkshake at him if i approached to open an if i was approached to open an account stuff. account for him. shocking stuff. they dodgy russian they claimed dodgy russian connections and fraud, is connections and fraud, which is probably so probably libellous. and so natwest issued a fairly natwest have issued a fairly sort of standard apology. >> you this falls below >> you know, this falls below our of service and so on. >> on. >> so but it sounds like that's just the kind of thing that was going at natwest. and when going on at natwest. and when you speak to people kind you speak to people in the kind of extended afraid this of extended bob, i'm afraid this is talk about anyone is how they talk about anyone that's political persuasion. >> i mean, just to play devil's advocate, for the sake of advocate, just for the sake of a you know, a plausible debate about because i do about the subject, because i do tend feel, know, on his tend to feel, you know, on his side this. but we've side in this. but we've discussed previously on the show the surgeons the black humour that surgeons use, officers use use, that police officers use among not ever

among themselves, not ever expecting it to be shared to the wider public. that them wider public. that allows them to off a bit of steam. to just let off a bit of steam. if it were the case that the banking staff at telegraph banking staff at the telegraph regarded farage with this kind of sort of snooty derision, it wouldn't matter until and unless they have actually transgressed in terms of his actual, you know, civil rights. right. >> well, then they are shutting down account, and down his account, though, and they're saying things like, say they're saying things like, say the a commercial the bank made a commercial decision. thing. decision. that's the thing. if it was gallows humour in the action doing your job action of doing your job properly, you're properly, which is what you're referring things like referring to with things like the this is the military. but this is gallows while actually gallows humour while actually not job and not doing your job and de—banking someone. >> that's the conspiracy. >> i can try harder to do >> i can try even harder to do more of a balance on this. if you want. yeah. the closest i could get to it is the staff referred him as crackpot referred to him as a crackpot and awful being. but what and awful human being. but what it mr claimed it says here, mr farage claimed that were acting for that they were acting for political maybe they political reasons. maybe they just like the guy because just didn't like the guy because awful beings, awful human beings, not necessarily political. awful human beings, not nchh,|rily political. awful human beings, not nec uh, it's political. awful human beings, not nec uh, it's not tical. awful human beings, not nec uh, it's not necessarily, but >> uh, it's not necessarily, but it's unlikely they've got to know well in a personal know him that well in a personal capacity. you know, you remember

that time burnt the goulash that time he burnt the goulash is it. is probably not. that is it. >> to fair, there was one guy >> to be fair, there was one guy who said he's actually okay and quite nice as a client. imagine being guy keeping being that one guy just keeping silent the office most of the silent in the office most of the time. then you just couldn't bear eventually bear it. and you just eventually i he's all right and i think he's all right and everyone just stares at you. >> interesting what you said earlier beliefs, earlier about luxury beliefs, though, terms though, you know, in terms of israel palestine, this israel versus palestine, this is another luxury another example of luxury beliefs, isn't can't beliefs, isn't it? i can't imagine that. as a bank imagine that. coutts as a bank was affected that badly was probably affected that badly by brexit, a kind of by brexit, but it's a kind of luxury. important luxury luxury. it's an important luxury belief you belief to demonstrate that you are someone regards are someone who regards themselves intellectual themselves on an intellectual plane, down on brexit plane, that looks down on brexit as as the great unwashed. >> that, we >> and speaking of that, we should mention that should we should mention that this will affect ordinary people as farage. as well, not just farage. obviously, kind of attitude obviously, this kind of attitude is people around country. >> the time so their side >> the time steve so their side story, we want talk story, which we want to talk about, is give parents details of sex education. >> told this gillian >> schools told this is gillian keegan to keegan who's saying they need to stop this thing where they're not out the information not giving out the information of the reason of the syllabus. and the reason they've this bizarre they've got this bizarre situation is instead of coming up with syllabus within

up with a the syllabus within the use a third the school, they use a third party to the information . party to give the information. but third party say but then the third party say it's can't it's copyrighted, so you can't send the parents, which is send it to the parents, which is ridiculous, isn't it? if you've bought of a book, you can bought a copy of a book, you can show it to your parents. so it seems. >> do you think it's real or do you think they're using that as a loophole to justify? >> it must be a loophole because no one's actually go. no one's actually going to go. no, this is this is copyrighted. you show to parents. >> never that of any >> never heard that of any geography textbook or history textbook. be textbook. i mean, it would be anything, couldn't it? >> almost like, well, >> and it's almost like, well, then are you allowed to learn it? if you memorise with it? because if you memorise with it, if you memorise it, yeah. you if you memorise the are in breach the syllabus, are you in breach of clearly one of the of copyright. clearly one of the worries would be you get sex worries would be you get a sex education there'll education syllabus and there'll be some parents who might be on the who are disgusted the fringe who are disgusted by it. that's the way it it. well that's the way it always was growing always was. when i was growing up, education and up, we got sex education and there'll some kids who were there'll be some kids who were there'll be some kids who were the out of the the parents took him out of the class. i don't agree with that. but you don't solve it by banning people seeing the syllabus. >> and we've seen, of course, which parents tend to the which parents tend to be the ones are kicking off in most

ones who are kicking off in most of come to of the cases that have come to light the last few years. light over the last few years. they tend be muslim parents, they tend to be muslim parents, right? mean, that's the right? i mean, that's the reality. just statistically speaking, the ovennhelming majority in the various schools, they they're teaching majority in the various schools, they the they're teaching majority in the various schools, they the lgb they're teaching majority in the various schools, they the lgb aspect'e teaching majority in the various schools, they the lgb aspect of.eaching majority in the various schools, they the lgb aspect of the1ing them the lgb aspect of the syllabus or whatever, and they don't like it. yes, i mean, this is reality. is the demographic reality. i am. mean, i remember during am. i mean, i remember during lockdown, was midway lockdown, it was about midway through 2020 all the kids through 2020 and all the kids were is schooling. were doing is schooling. somebody like from were doing is schooling. snkind ody like from were doing is schooling. snkind ofy like from were doing is schooling. snkind of zoom like from were doing is schooling. snkind of zoom call like from were doing is schooling. snkind of zoom call amongze from a kind of zoom call among teachers were discussing the teachers who were discussing the implications of schooling, implications of e schooling, quite saying this quite openly, saying and this they this to reach quite openly, saying and this thejpublic this to reach quite openly, saying and this thejpublic quite this to reach quite openly, saying and this thejpublic quite openly,) reach quite openly, saying and this thejpublic quite openly, saying the public quite openly, saying that they were worried that the kids out of their kids were basically out of their clutches and can longer be clutches and can no longer be indoctrinated. mean, they indoctrinated. i mean, they really said, quiet really near as said, quiet part out loud. really near as said, quiet part outyeah, absolutely. really near as said, quiet part outyea shocking.ely. really near as said, quiet part outyea shocking. i.y. really near as said, quiet part outyea shocking. i mean, and >> it's shocking. i mean, and there's here there's one part here where there's one part here where there was emerged that some there was a it emerged that some materials asked children whether they non—binary. they were planning non—binary. >> discovered >> so i think we've discovered what people are on. what planet these people are on. it out to be planet it turns out to be planet non—binary shocking shocking stuff daily finish off stuff daily star to finish off nick we sort out this? nick can we sort out this? >> love headline thing. >> you love this headline thing. >> you love this headline thing. >> there mice on now? of >> is there mice on mars now? of course pun wouldn't work course the pun wouldn't work if it are there, but that's it says are there, but that's

not enough for you, is not good enough for you, sam. is there mice on mars? well there is, according to a good is, according to them, a good pun either. >> is it? i mean, it's a different first letter, isn't it's not a rhyme. different first letter, isn't it's i'm a rhyme. different first letter, isn't it's i'm startinge. different first letter, isn't it's i'm starting to think the >> i'm starting to think the star doesn't have quite the rigorous all rigorous standards that we all thought. not. they can thought. simon i'm not. they can be amusing, though. i mean, maybe in this case, but the maybe not in this case, but the point there were some mice point is, there were some mice at top of a chilean volcano at the top of a chilean volcano where is very thin. it's where the air is very thin. it's ultra thin, in fact. and so the point is they could theoretically survive mars. theoretically survive on mars. it are mice it doesn't mean there are mice on there are many. so an >> there are so many. so an extremophile, though, right? that's the word. yeah. that's the word. yeah yeah. that's it. like this extreme cysts and extremophile. they they they're they love extreme. they're antifragile. for part antifragile. that's it for part one. up, a little death one. coming up, a little death ray sunshine, a of hate ray of sunshine, a tube of hate and

>> as you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> hello. welcome back to headliners. i'm simon evans. still here with steven allen and nick dixon. so let us continue with the story. steve, we kick

off this half with a story in the express about one of the many celebs to have been on the rhubarb and custard the last few days. >> the gmb star adil ray defends jihad, calls at pro—palestine protests in whitehall. he makes the point that some people made in the first articles about this, about the word has different meanings like pear and pean different meanings like pear and pear, but obviously with far worse consequences and he says it can mean struggle . so it can mean struggle. so a muslim spiritual struggle to avoid sin and be a better human. so i thought, let's put that in context, replace the word with that and see if it works. so in one clip taken outside the egyptian embassy, a speaker says, what is the solution to liberate people from the concentration called concentration camps called palestine? says palestine? the mob says a struggle to avoid sin and be a better human and avoid evil. >> it's like the >> it's good. it's like the consolations of philosophy, you know, aurelius know, or marcus aurelius meditations . meditations. >> thought that further on, >> so i thought that further on, there's another clip. let's put it see if it works. it in there, see if it works. the mob says the second clip, the mob says the second clip, the by the only solution is jihad by the armies of the muslim countries. so that's the only solution is the struggle to

avoid be a better human avoid sin and be a better human by the of the muslims. by the armies of the muslims. i'm saying it as i've said on twitter, not so much twitter, it's not so much gaslight as a manually gaslight being as a manually controlled strobe. gaslight being as a manually conit'sled strobe. gaslight being as a manually conit'sled extreme. but i do >> it's so extreme. but i do think i mean, you have to understand that. yes i understand that. yes i understand word jihad understand the word jihad contains many meanings. i think it's legitimate. you could say it's legitimate. you could say it's kind of like crusade where you can say , i'm on a crusade to you can say, i'm on a crusade to bnng you can say, i'm on a crusade to bring down underaged alcohol abuse. bring down underaged alcohol abuse . and you don't necessarily abuse. and you don't necessarily mean and i'm going to do that by slaughtering all the arabs and retaking jerusalem. but if you said that while you had been gathered by the pope in the 12th century, then you would you would understand crusade in that context. and that's the context it's seen in, isn't it? at the moment? it is one of these words which can be adapted to certain. i do get that he's correct, but he's absolutely dishonest in his attempt to make sound as if attempt to make it sound as if it's being used way. in it's being used in that way. in this context. >> no, simon, disagree when >> no, simon, i disagree when i'm through a spiritual i'm going through a spiritual struggle tend to struggle to avoid sin, i tend to wait the moment of maximum wait for the moment of maximum political out on

political tension and get out on the and scream about it the streets and scream about it in as many people as in front of as many people as possible. what an absurd idea. that's personal to that's a personal struggle to avoid sin. absolute gaslighting, as you said, appalling, ridiculous ? ridiculous nonsense. and why? why disingenuous and we only why so disingenuous and we only have to compare it with things like being arrested for praying in your head near an abortion centre to see where we are with this with the met police people like adil ray will go out of their way to defend the indefensible. meanwhile, you know, minor transgressions are punished in our code tyranny. absolutely. >> even then, say >> and even then, i would say perhaps there a role for adil perhaps there is a role for adil ray. as a guest on a newsnight discussion about sort of discussion about these sort of things. is presenting things. but he is presenting perhaps country's most perhaps the country's most popular breakfast television show. he's a really show. he's he's a really mainstream tv host who is making a ham fisted attempt to apologise . a ham fisted attempt to apologise. his apologies for terrorism. >> it's disgusting. there is a question of how you deal with it, you know, because the police were saying we need more hate speech laws and terrorism laws. i don't think we need more hate speech laws. we have speech laws. we seem to have loads of them. we might need different terrorism laws. i'm

not evolved to not sure our laws evolved to deal particular threat. >> i certainly think in terms of hate speech and bad speech, i am absolutely in favour free absolutely in favour of free speech. but think we need to speech. but i think we need to listen to what the british people saying about these people are saying about these things than sort things rather than sort of a handful anyway. >> really quickly, it >> so just really quickly, it says at the bottom of the article that itv has been approached comment about approached for comment about this they've this thick of that. yeah they've had that recently metro had a lot of that recently metro now nick proof if proof were needed endorsing needed that mindlessly endorsing terrorism for the terrorism is not just for the rich successful however yeah rich and successful however yeah it's who used pa it's tube driver who used pa system free palestine system to chant free palestine suspended so it's our old friend again. >> spoken about this >> we've spoken about this guy quite he's now been quite a bit and he's now been suspended. they're saying we've been, urgently, been, we've urgently, we're urgently thoroughly urgently and thoroughly investigating urgently and thoroughly inv(i'm|ating urgently and thoroughly inwl'm going to check in line on. i'm going to check in line with their policies and procedures. and i mean, i'm sort of be really generous of to try and be really generous here. mean, obviously was here. i mean, obviously it was appalling mad. i'm going to appalling and mad. i'm going to try and be really generous because a job where because we're in a job where people trying people are constantly trying to get sacked and suggesting we get us sacked and suggesting we should all sacked and the should all be sacked and the whole should be down. whole thing should be shut down. you argue maybe he was you could argue maybe he was just because

just so naive because these ideas become mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in become mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself:ome mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself is1e mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself is a mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself is a is mainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself is a is anainstream, just so naive because these ideas in itself is a is a big|stream, which in itself is a is a big problem that just didn't problem that he just didn't realise contentious it was. realise how contentious it was. and maybe the rules should be from now on. this instant from now on. this is an instant dismissal, but because it's such a there might not a weird thing, there might not have about don't have been a rule about don't shout free palestine. on the tannoy. >> he might thought it was >> he might just thought it was like, england. like, come on, england. >> yes, possibly. but maybe he should sacked. but i'm should just be sacked. but i'm just reluctant because people just so reluctant because people always so always want us to be sacked. so i'm reluctant to say i'm just reluctant to say it. but perhaps he should. >> also say free >> and i will also say free palestine. in other contexts. that like as bad as that isn't like as bad as shouting jihad. that is maybe an aspiration. context aspiration. the context is everything in everything here, but you're in charge of passengers charge of a group of passengers for whom some of you know that some of whom will find that very distressing. defence would the >> another defence would be the word many different word free has many different meanings. at no meanings. it could mean at no cost. it could simply be the band that sang all right now. so maybe chanting bit maybe he was chanting that bit because was shouting free. because he was shouting free. and people in carriage and the people in the carriage were palestine. were shouting palestine. >> sounding free, >> maybe he was sounding free, free, to shout free, expecting them to shout israel. they wrongfooted israel. and they wrongfooted him. surprise, steve we him. what a surprise, steve we used school catchment areas, used to school catchment areas,

but there is a new postcode but now there is a new postcode lottery in play in the times . lottery in play in the times. >> so the tories are going to stop using hotels in stop using song hotels in election battlegrounds for migrants. yeah conservative strategists have come up with this. it kind of makes sense. people in areas of stoke and wigan because they want to try and win these seats, all of a sudden they'll that sudden they'll realise that their aren't being their local hotels aren't being fine. they're not. so fine. yeah, they're not. so that's and the story doesn't seem these seem to say where these immigrants or asylum seekers or whatever they are, the people are processing, where whatever they are, the people are they processing, where whatever they are, the people are they going cessing, where whatever they are, the people are they going to ising, where whatever they are, the people are they going to be g, where whatever they are, the people are they going to be put here whatever they are, the people are they going to be put then into, constituencies into, into constituencies that have fallen have definitely already fallen to this the to labour? yeah, this is the great thing about the bibby stockholm just float it stockholm you can just float it around. is not a win. i around. this is not a win. i mean, in part it's because they are get through the are trying to get through the backlog, there should be backlog, so there should be fewer people to distribute to. >> actually, of the numbers >> actually, some of the numbers looked relatively promising, like made like they actually have made some i think it is worth >> but i think it is worth saying that they're trying to saying that if they're trying to win your vote by moving the people they're not in people around so they're not in the what happens the hotels, what happens when they don't need your vote in a few they don't need it few months? they don't need it for would you trust for five years. would you trust them nick the moving

them then, nick the moving things and people around thing has tactics for decades. >> it's incredibly cynical. >> it's incredibly cynical. >> mean, just doing it >> i mean, yeah, just doing it in election battlegrounds. in key election battlegrounds. why whole country why not run the whole country for you know, is for the whole time? you know, is it they need to it crazy idea? but they need to get this because 66% of get hold of this because 66% of all agree with suella all britons agree with suella braverman is braverman that immigration is an existential so ricci's existential threat. so ricci's speech was so touch with speech was so out of touch with this the conference when this at the conference when he talked a—levels hs2 talked about a—levels and hs2 and they need to do and smoking. so they need to do something. just it something. butjust quickly, it says of polling, the people says of the polling, the people that couldn't vote before, if they couldn't vote, reform, only a to the a quarter would go to the tories. 40% wouldn't vote at tories. but 40% wouldn't vote at all. and that's what the tories tories. but 40% wouldn't vote at all. facing. at's what the tories tories. but 40% wouldn't vote at all. facing. people it the tories tories. but 40% wouldn't vote at all. facing. people it the to not are facing. people are just not to going vote at all until they bnngin to going vote at all until they bring in farage course. bring in farage of course. >> absolutely. was >> absolutely. it was interesting, wasn't it? the recent they recent by—election that they didn't much and 10% of didn't lose by much and 10% of the votes went parties the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vofls went parties the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vof the ant parties the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vof the tory parties the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vof the tory party. es the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vof the tory party. so the didn't lose by much and 10% of the vof the tory party. so if the right of the tory party. so if they can find some way to neutralise those or persuade voters that those will be wasted rather protest, they rather than as a protest, they do chance. but they do still have a chance. but they need farage because no one trusts getting people out. as you think many you say, i don't think many people change vote over people do change their vote over the a lifetime. i, of

the course of a lifetime. i, of course, am intelligent enough to judge on its judge every election on its merits, think a of merits, but i think a lot of people are more tribal than that. absolutely question people are more tribal than th.motivation,lutely question people are more tribal than th.motivation, which question people are more tribal than th.motivation, which is, uestion people are more tribal than th.motivation, which is, of;tion of motivation, which is, of course, was the nature of what was corruption, but was was not corruption, but was a great surprise 2020. in great surprise in 2020. in america, the postal vote america, it was the postal vote which enabled a huge slice of the electorate to the democratic electorate to have they have their say because they wouldn't bothered wouldn't normally be bothered to stand shut nick stand in the shut ins. nick independent now we we've known what a baker's dozen is 12 plus one. but what about 50% plus one? >> yeah, this is quite surprising. so brexit should have needed 60% vote in favour. says tory brexiteer minister. and this is steve baker once called the hard man of brexit. of course it's a bit easier, a bit of a different position now as minister of state for northern ireland and what he's sort of pointing out is, would you really want it to be 51% on irish unification? and of course he's wouldn't, but he's saying you wouldn't, but then him to then that perhaps forces him to say way, perhaps say and by the way, perhaps it wasn't idea with brexit wasn't a great idea with brexit either, now the point he either, because now the point he does which completely does make, which is completely fair, it led to people fair, is that it led to people refusing to accept enact the refusing to accept and enact the result it was so close,

result because it was so close, whereas if had been 60, whereas if it had been 60, people have have people would have would have would it. but would have enacted it. but imagine remainers imagine how furious remainers will this. will be hearing this. >> well, i do in a way. he's quite brave, but even then he does slightly and does fudge it slightly and suggest that it could still have been won at 60% and clearly it wouldn't it? so? >> well, i suppose your argument would different going would have been different going into they were into it. yeah, but they were aiming for the number aiming for the biggest number anyway have anyway so they wouldn't have changed too much. changed the strategies too much. i the fact that he's saying i love the fact that he's saying that. oh, look at the trouble that. oh, look at the trouble that caused 52 to 48. that was caused by the 52 to 48. imagine that. not imagine that. he's not even mentioned trouble it mentioned the trouble that it could have been if it landed at 59. yeah, nothing happened. and could have been if it landed at 59. the1, nothing happened. and could have been if it landed at 59. the1, nothing iamountd. and could have been if it landed at 59. the1, nothing iamount ofand but the maximum amount of outrage about it. >> very good point that >> that's a very good point that is a very good point. i know they normally they've they do normally they've said this and there was this in the past and there was a lot of talk about whether it should 60 over 40 for should be 60 over 40 for scotland's independence. and i think they had think the last time they had a vote in spain, they did it 60 or may even be two thirds. but you're absolutely that you're absolutely right, that would and steve would be brutal. and steve telegraph, this is like telegraph, now, this is like that time i had to go to the garden centre for petrol because

the run out the petrol station had run out this is tens thousands going this is tens of thousands going to decay because to a&e with tooth decay because they can't get to an nhs dentist. >> nearly 70,000 people >> it's nearly 70,000 people were emergency were treated in emergency departments, bad for departments, which is bad for them. it must them. but imagine what it must be you're someone else be like if you're someone else waiting to be seen. oh, you've got you? because got toothache, have you? because i cleaning and i did some cleaning and accidentally, on accidentally, nakedly sat on that . me would you? >> who's got the moral high ground here? yeah >> well. well, just the bigger medical need . but it's 4.7. medical need. but it's 4.7. 5 million people denied an appointment with an nhs dentist. yeah, and i do think we do need to have people having access to basic dentistry because there's a narrative of like, these people just need to sort out their own lives, pull themselves up their own lives, pull themselves “p by their own lives, pull themselves up by the bootstraps, not having teeth is one of the things that holds you back in life. it's like a facial tattoo. well, it's true, the trouble at the true, but the trouble is at the moment that dentists can earn moment is that dentists can earn so doing private. moment is that dentists can earn so and doing private. moment is that dentists can earn so and also,g private. moment is that dentists can earn so and also, youivate. moment is that dentists can earn so and also, you know, not just >> and also, you know, not just private of national, private versions of national, but also cosmetic dentistry has become why become a massive business. why why would they want to, you know , time giving

, waste their time giving check—ups to like, you know . check—ups to like, you know. good point. >> well, yeah, i mean, we just need to copy america whatever they're they they're doing with teeth. they absolutely i mean, absolutely nailed it. i mean, but can't afford that, we but if we can't afford that, we should back to dentures should just go back to dentures as a of of the total as a kind of symbol of the total decline of this country. by the way, the way they're saying they're get way, the way they're saying th(million get way, the way they're saying th(million from getting get way, the way they're saying th(million from getting rid. way, the way they're saying th(million from getting rid of 111 million from getting rid of the controversial non—dom status. is, status. the only question is, will all those non—doms leave the country and take their money away? it could away? but but maybe it could work. don't work. i don't know. >> never seen an incoming >> i have never seen an incoming party spend the same sum of money so many different money in so many different places. literally places. it's literally everything being for everything is being spent for that. it for that. but anyway, that's it for part coming loose cheney part two coming up, loose cheney has gold. brighton fans part two coming up, loose cheney has havejold. brighton fans part two coming up, loose cheney has havejo ball. �*ighton fans part two coming up, loose cheney has havejo ball. cambridge don't have a ball. cambridge library has a recall. we'll see

industry, you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> hello. welcome back to headliners. we're into the final stretch now. well, no , the back stretch now. well, no, the back nine, i should say . stretch now. well, no, the back nine, i should say. nick stretch now. well, no, the back nine, i should say . nick the nine, i should say. nick the guardian to kick us off some good old fashioned from liz

cheney. it's been too long. indeed. >> trump is single most dangerous threat to the us warns republican. i might stick some inverted commas in liz cheney so the guardian's calling her a yes . well, the guardian says moderate. i say rhino. you know, when the guardian's back in the repubuc when the guardian's back in the republic and they they're a moderate, apparently ridiculous rhino and she says he rhino person and she says he cannot be the next president because if he is all the things he do but was he attempted to do but was stopped from doing by responsible aka deep responsible people, aka the deep state, she said state, he will do, she said there'll be no guardrails. good god, would be great. and god, that would be great. and then, guardian then, of course, the guardian called capitol attack called the capitol attack deadly. they think jan deadly. i imagine they think jan six was worse than anything hamas has done. can't hamas has done. but i can't confirm i suppose it confirm that. but i suppose it was deadly for poor ashli babbitt. but anyway, the point is there mouthing is she's just there mouthing off, would off, saying trump would be terrible. wouldn't to terrible. we wouldn't be able to stop and it does show their stop him. and it does show their fear one might fear of trump. hence, one might say all these allegations in their attempt to him in their attempt to put him in prison. think what prison. so do you think what she's referring to because obviously the 6th obviously january the 6th was slightly extra program slightly extra to his program of legislation , administration, legislation, administration, whatever you want call it, whatever you want to call it,

his foreign policy. >> although i tend to think >> and although i tend to think it was slightly overblown and was for political capital, was used for political capital, it little outrageous it was a little bit outrageous that attempted to i think he that he attempted to i think he probably did urge coax the protesters to try and interfere with the smooth transition of power, certainly, anyway, that's how they say. is that what she means? they will have a means? that they will have a dictator, that this will run over four years? over for four years? >> thing that >> she means the thing that trump want that this time trump fans want that this time he'll come in, he'll get rid of all people that stopped him all the people that stopped him doing their doing things before their version aka the version of the blob, aka the deep state. now we understand free takes more. that's free takes a bit more. that's what think she means. and she what i think she means. and she hopefully but hopefully she's right. but that's why they're that's of course why they're putting prison want to putting him in prison or want to putting him in prison or want to put him in prison. >> i steve, you will have >> i mean, steve, you will have a different view on this. >> but so when i was reading this, it was more this, i was thinking it was more about just the january 6th, about not just the january 6th, but of not admitting or but the idea of not admitting or accepting you've lost an accepting that you've lost an election, which seems to a election, which seems to be a fundamental how fundamental foundation of how a democracy so the democracy needs to work. so the worry be if he gets in worry would be if he gets in with no intention of ever admitting losing an election, regardless of how plays out regardless of how it plays out

with ability remove with the ability to remove more of wouldn't agree of the people who wouldn't agree with yes. >> he would start create >> so he would start to create a tyranny, essentially such nonsense. >> i mean, it's such a boogie man. he did leave, didn't he? >> did leave. he did leave. >> he did leave. he did leave. >> he did leave. he did leave. >> was never going to stay. >> he was never going to stay. absolute >> he was never going to stay. abs he te did >> he was never going to stay. abshete did he lost >> he never did that. he lost the election. >> he doesn't admit he's lost. he he said it wasn't fair, he said he said it wasn't fair, but still left. we've but he still left. and we've been this times. been through this many times. >> but we do have clips which we have shown on here occasionally of refusing to of hillary clinton refusing to accept was a fair accept that it was a fair election, that the russian interference carter interference made jemmy carter illegitimate, which loads of people illegitimate people said he was illegitimate and exactly what and said, yeah, exactly what trump what trump did. >> he moved but mouthed off >> he moved on but mouthed off about what hillary did. >> i'm going to say, though, liz cheneyis >> i'm going to say, though, liz cheney is literally the daughter of dick cheney, literally of dick cheney, who literally like engineered and pushed through the single greatest catastrophe foreign catastrophe in american foreign policy 50 years. i policy of the last 50 years. i mean , certainly the mean, certainly since the vietnam war, the invasion of iraq destabilised the entire region. europe is still cleaning up mess well. i mean, up the mess as well. i mean, they've whatever else you had from trump and i think there is some like plausibility to the

nofion some like plausibility to the notion that american notion that an american president is far more important on the world stage is in on the world stage than he is in domestic whether the domestic politics. whether the you know, the dollar is strong domestic politics. whether the yo weak n, the dollar is strong domestic politics. whether the yo weak orthe dollar is strong domestic politics. whether the yo weak or whatever, is strong domestic politics. whether the yo weak or whatever, there's g or weak or whatever, there's jobs whatever, that jobs created or whatever, that isn't president's isn't really the president's job. foreign policy is job. but his foreign policy is important . job. but his foreign policy is important. and trump's effect on the world, despite everyone saying, oh, my god, this madman, this has got his this crazed lunatic, has got his fingers the on the nuclear fingers on the on the nuclear codes was a four years of extraordinary tranquillity compared with what came before and certainly what has come since. i mean, we've now got to absolutely terrifying world events. i mean , the fact that events. i mean, the fact that ukraine has been forgotten by this in israel, he this outrage in israel, he managed to kill a significant syrian no iranian , you know, syrian no iranian, you know, assassin and so on. and everyone's saying, oh, my goodness, no reprisal whatsoever, no trouble broke out at all under trump. >> it was the deterrence approach. it was dealing with things and was things like that. and it was threats to china with things like as well. like tariffs as well. >> now old reputations >> telegraph now old reputations die in europe as italian die hard in europe as italian tank to their tank managers know, to their cost. tank managers know, to their cost . this is tank managers know, to their cost. this is english fans cost. so this is english fans are seen as targets.

>> apparently football related when with away supporters treated like animals in europe. it's a special report in the telegraph and it man alive it goes into a lot of details but basically it's that they treated badly the police sometimes badly by the police sometimes travel is cancelled leaving them stranded. terrible way to treat people . half stranded. terrible way to treat people. half of stranded. terrible way to treat people . half of says it's people. half of it says it's because we still have the reputation of being the hooligans, which i believe was in europe, known as the english disease, which of course now is diabetes. but it was football. hooliganism also , there's hooliganism also, there's probably whiff of fact probably a whiff of the fact some countries don't the some countries don't like the brits. maybe then you get you get almost to the end of it and it says, oh, and also away fans from treated from other countries are treated badly, the whole angle badly, too. so the whole angle of this, the english cooked up a bit, you think? definitely. it's more that just treating more that they are just treating away badly. away fans badly. >> messaged a mate about >> yeah, i messaged a mate about this there's one match. this because there's one match. brighton badly in brighton fans treated badly in marseilles in a cage. marseilles and held in a cage. and happened ages and he said that happened ages ago. know. i mean, you ago. i don't know. i mean, you said it's a special report, but if anything more if there was anything more recent, would would carry recent, it would it would carry

a weight if they hadn't a bit more weight if they hadn't had cook up one had to sort of cook up one particular example. but i don't know that still have know that they do still have that reputation, though. that bad reputation, though. generally i think generally speaking, i think actually eased i actually that has eased off. i mean, it was a long it was 85, wasn't it? the heysel stadium and and we had a ban for and so on. and we had a ban for five that is lifetime five years. that is a lifetime ago.the five years. that is a lifetime ago. the the south gate. not ago. the of the south gate. not that a particular that i'm a particular football fan, but i mean he's changed the entire culture of the game really hasn't he. doesn't really hasn't he. it doesn't feel like a like feel quite so much like a like it's gravitation pull it's a natural gravitation pull to you probably would have >> you probably would have agreed if it weren't for that image my head of that guy image in my head of that guy with fireworks where it with the fireworks where it shouldn't be. >> there always that one >> yes. there is always that one man caged animals. now, man more caged animals. now, nick guardian. nick in the guardian. >> is lobby groups >> yeah. this is lobby groups for dirty against eu for hard and dirty against eu ban farm animals. so ban on caged farm animals. so the wanted to ban it, wanted the eu wanted to ban it, wanted to a ban on using cages for to have a ban on using cages for hens, broilers, pigs, calves, rabbits and quails. and 89% of european citizens apparently supported they have supported this. but do they have a about farming is the a clue about farming is the point? because the actual people who for farming who are responsible for farming say production disappear say production will disappear from if they brought this from europe if they brought this in. they've lobbying

in. so they've been lobbying hard against and that's hard against it and that's essentially the thing. it's like a kind of independent belgian movie or something crime movie or something about crime in the meat. there is actually a movie like that the guy that movie like that by the guy that directed drop that's why directed the drop that's why that's head. i can see that's in my head. i can see this being a kind of gritty movie. i feel like quails, you know? >> i mean, these are not the things generally speaking, things that, generally speaking, excite the attention of activists they're activists are they? they're more usually, like your usually, you know, like your large factory farmed your large scale factory farmed your pigs, large scale factory farmed your pigs, your sheep. pigs, your sheep, your sheep. sorry they're the hills. sorry they're out on the hills. they're. they're creating deserts, cage farming . it kind deserts, cage farming. it kind of chickens and of depends. chickens and turkeys, where have turkeys, things where you have to beaks salted off turkeys, things where you have to something.)eaks salted off or something. >> just which side >> it just depends which side you're doesn't it? remember you're on, doesn't it? remember that quote that alan partridge quote about bernard it bernard matthews? i've got it here. he says, he's either responsible for the biggest ornithological genocide of recent times or he's the greatest table greatest farmyard to table strategist last hundred strategist of the last hundred years. reminded years. that's what this reminded me well, he is very >> yeah, well, he is very norfolk centric, isn't he? of course, partridge you course, partridge do you remember that also the plot remember that was also the plot to on her majesty's secret service you remember service as well was you remember all girls were being kind all those girls were being kind of joanna and of hypnotised, joanna lumley and so was a load bond so on. there was a load of bond girls being hypnotised. i think

so on. there was a load of bond giwas.>ing hypnotised. i think it was. >> blofeld was this the official version? this version? simon yeah, this is this the book and then the this is the book and then the movie with it was the one off chat, wasn't it? >> the one who only did it? lazenby. lazenby yeah. yeah. it was bizarre. but blofeld was just bizarre. but blofeld wanted establish himself as wanted to establish himself as part british aristocracy wanted to establish himself as pa something, tish aristocracy wanted to establish himself as pa something, ish aristocracy wanted to establish himself as pasomething, i think. stocracy or something, i think. and meanwhile plan to meanwhile, he had a plan to hypnotise girls who would then go in and create. and were hypnotise girls who would then go going:i create. and were hypnotise girls who would then go going be'eate. and were hypnotise girls who would then go going be industrial were hypnotise girls who would then go going be industrial sabotage. to going be industrial sabotage. and one of the things they were heading for was was turkey. >> a it's so this >> it sounds like a it's so this sounds off fan sounds like a spin off fan fiction me . fiction to me. >> know. it really is >> i know. it really is extraordinary . daily >> i know. it really is extraordinary. daily mail >> i know. it really is extraordinary . daily mail now, extraordinary. daily mail now, steve academia slips even further full blown further into full blown theocracy with the introduction of librorum of an index librorum prohibitorum the i'm amazed you got through that. >> that must have taken some practise. university of cambridge library lecturers to flag problematic books that might be offensive harmful, might be offensive or harmful, but actually they are asking the lecturers identify the things lecturers to identify the things that have already is that they have already said. is harmful, effectively harmful, that they effectively flagged. so we don't necessary know. well, the quote is we would like to hear from

colleagues across cambridge about any books you have flagged as problematic, flagged to you. so are they also going to flag them as problematic or are they simply list of ones simply making a list of ones that have been flagged as i mean, these are archivists with nothing do. are probably nothing to do. they are probably like a are either way it like a list are either way it feels because don't feels worrying because we don't know sinister. know a tiny bit sinister. >> but perhaps is being beefed up the the papers. up by the by the papers. >> it's the daily mail, so >> well it's the daily mail, so i would be quite i suppose it would be quite handy have an example of what handy to have an example of what might amount to problematic, isn't if there is >> because i mean, if there is something saying that concentration camps are not all bad something they're bad or something and they're being is a politics being i mean, this is a politics class, right? yeah. >> yes, there's lot >> well and yes, there's a lot of then second half of this of then the second half of this goes too. you do have to goes on too. but you do have to learn you have to learn about some fairly horrific political regimes you to your regimes if you want to take your politics level, don't politics to phd level, don't you? yeah, but you can still learn if it's learn from the book if it's flagged problematic. yeah, flagged as problematic. yeah, that you can't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. you can't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. it's you can't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. it's here's you can't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. it's here's a you can't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. it's here's a book, �*an't flagged as problematic. yeah, that it. it's here's a book, byt read it. it's here's a book, by the way. there will be some stuff in there that might sit with for a while. with you for a while. >> this chap was a bit too keen on the old. yeah, yeah.

>> i mean, if that's what it is like, if wanted to make a like, if we wanted to make a list the books that have been list of the books that have been deemed as problematic, we'd be doing them. doing the same as them. >> or maybe stand up comics that we as problematic. we regard as problematic. unfortunately there is such a list on it. list and we're all on it. >> it's just a disaster, isn't it? depher universities, it? depher great universities, though. i mean, dr. james always been my podcast. the current been on my podcast. the current thing libraries thing says research libraries should the should not be joining the culture of those culture wars. which one of those absurd statements? he's completely that absurd statements? he's complended that absurd statements? he's complended the that absurd statements? he's complended the research at we've ended up the research libraries now are in the culture wars. there any is there wars. is there any is there anything left? >> saying? >> what's the old saying? the war. not interested war. you may not be interested in the war, but the war is interested in you. nick, interested in you. yes nick, child exploitation in child exploitation news now in the why do i always the daily mail. why do i always find out about these schemes too late? sure what late? i'm not totally sure what that means, but this is should four olds have instagram four year olds have instagram accounts? a debate >> so it's a debate between vicky broadbent, who's a blogger. and marvin blogger. apparently and marvin harrison, who's podcaster harrison, who's a podcaster on good i'm not good morning britain. i'm not sure but sure why it's a story, but anyway, heart of it is anyway, at the heart of it is should child have should your child have an instagram because instagram account? because i never it because never have to face it because i don't have child. but i think never have to face it because i d(canhave child. but i think never have to face it because i d(can bee child. but i think never have to face it because i d(can be a child. but i think never have to face it because i d(can be a bit1ild. but i think never have to face it because i d(can be a bit creepy.t i think never have to face it because i d(can be a bit creepy. ii think never have to face it because i d(can be a bit creepy. i mean, it can be a bit creepy. i mean, there's four year old that's there's a four year old that's talking about four old with

talking about four year old with millions followers and this talking about four year old with m my ns followers and this talking about four year old with m my point.ollowers and this is my point. >> i watched a bit of the >> the i watched a bit of the clip preparation and the clip in preparation and the chap, marvin, did you say his name anyway, he he name was anyway, he was he thought exploitative name was anyway, he was he thought it exploitative name was anyway, he was he thought it was exploitative name was anyway, he was he thought it was beingtative name was anyway, he was he thought it was being done for because it was being done for money. quite bit money. you do make quite a bit of money if you've got millions of money if you've got millions of followers instagram. of followers on instagram. i think just advertising think it's just advertising whatever. created whatever. but so they've created this kid and people whatever. but so they've created this it. kid and people whatever. but so they've created this it. i kid and people whatever. but so they've created this it. i guesskid and people whatever. but so they've created this it. i guess it'sand people whatever. but so they've created this it. i guess it's justpeople follow it. i guess it's just a series you're kind of going, series and you're kind of going, that weird. that is a bit weird. >> why are you following that? yeah, of yeah, i've seen sort of influencers bringing their kids like something, like grant cardone or something, and that and they're older and that seems perfectly and they're older and that seems per there's a few dogs, but >> there's quite a few dogs, but a separate child account a bit odd. >> maybe it's even worse than just advertising. it's deals >> maybe it's even worse than just .whoever's. it's deals >> maybe it's even worse than just .whoever's mar—a—lago brands. >> yeah, right. >> yeah, right. >> showing you, >> so you're showing you, i mean, one shopping, mean, it's one step shopping, maybe. year maybe. yeah. you're a four year old vaping. like feeding old vaping. it's like feeding a burger mad burger to you. it's not got mad cow disease in it. >> that's part three in the bag coming up in the final section, we levels rising, we have sea levels rising, the moon elon musk moon is rising and elon musk getting rise out of wales. getting a rise out of wales. we'll

and welcome back to headliners. so, steve, global warming news now in the metro. it looks like it's time for barack obama to sell his beachfront property. >> yeah, humans have missed the chance to stop antarctic ice melting. that's it. no need to worry about it now. scientists have warned. so apparently we've lost control. we humans have lost control. we humans have lost control. we humans have lost control of the melting of the west. antarctic ice . it's the west. antarctic ice. it's got glaciers in there. so it actually does add water to the oceans. and there's nothing we can do about it now. so we've missed the opportunity to keep the amount carbon below it. the amount of carbon below it. it's it's what i find it's yeah, it's what i find interesting about the way that some people and besides some people talk and besides some people talk and besides some people talk and besides some people arguments some people, the arguments i have with about have on tiktok with people about about climate change because the thing about way thing that you say about the way the left argues they say the left argues things, they say it's happening they it the left argues things, they say it' happening, ning they it the left argues things, they say it' happening, but| they it the left argues things, they say it' happening, but it's hey it the left argues things, they say it' happening, but it's not it the left argues things, they say it' happening, but it's not too it is happening, but it's not too bad. they say it is bad. and then they say it is happening it's good it's happening and it's good it's happening. the argument happening. the same argument is happening about climate change. is just go, oh, is it? people just go, oh, that's happening? or that's not happening? or

actually, it's actually good actually, no, it's actually good to little of carbon to get a little bit of carbon dioxide. well it's dioxide. well actually, it's we had grow better. had a things will grow better. yeah argument there yeah there's the argument there are of this i are loads of clips of this i don't mean i certainly don't i mean i certainly don't believe that i don't want to see loads more carbon dioxide. believe that i don't want to see loa i; more carbon dioxide. believe that i don't want to see loa i; morewanton dioxide. believe that i don't want to see loa i; morewanton dioxsea >> i don't want to see sea levels and be quite levels rising. and i'd be quite happy can come up with a happy if they can come up with a workable slow it down or workable plan to slow it down or put reverse. suppose put it into reverse. i suppose it's it's the climate it's just the it's the climate of fear that is created, which i don't necessarily don't think is necessarily helpful. slightly helpful. if anything slightly paralysed also paralysed, you know, and also the endless hot air. hot air, you know what i mean? >> you did two points there. climate. >> pm w- >> i remember i was at university 83 to 86, and i knew somebody who was doing environmental then and somebody who was doing envircabouttal then and somebody who was doing envircabouttal warming. and knew about global warming. i mean, slightly mean, they maybe used slightly different terminology that different terminology at that point. it's been around for a very and all that very long time and all that seems have been done about it seems to have been done about it is endless guilt tripping and, you panic mongering . you know, panic mongering. >> yeah, have nothing of value >> yeah, i have nothing of value to contribute to this other than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to itontribute to this other than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to it istribute to this other than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to it is t00|te to this other than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to it is too late) this other than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to it is too late already. |er than >> yeah, i have nothing of value to it is too late already. why an if it is too late already. why not just get a load petrol not just get a load of petrol cars, eat load of meat and get cars, eat a load of meat and get air con in in this room, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in in this room, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in it in this room, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in it wouldis room, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in it would beoom, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in it would be a m, cars, eat a load of meat and get airthis in it would be a good in this room? it would be a good start. news for start. it's bad news for norfolk, good news for

norfolk, but it's good news for nottingham by the sea. >> you go. you've turned >> there you go. you've turned into those guys now daily into one of those guys now daily star. according x, star. now, nick. according to x, elon offered wikipedia elon musk has offered wikipedia a billion dollars to change its name , though to name, though according to wikipedia, a big, smelly wikipedia, he's a big, smelly poo head . poo head. >> interesting. yeah. this is elon musk offers wikipedia 1 billion to make a very explicit change to its name, which we can't say, but it's basically wikipedia. but starting with a d. wikipedia. but starting with a d, think say that. and d, i think we can say that. and he i'll give him $1 he said, i'll give him $1 billion. also said, in billion. and he also said, in the of accuracy, which the interests of accuracy, which is point, if you is a good point, because if you read wikipedia, it's just like everyone's it's just everyone's far right. it's just that's about everyone. >> true. don't know >> certainly true. i don't know if but a number of if musk is, but a number of people political opinions people whose political opinions i find quite interesting and, you know, a worthwhile contribution to the debate are written in first written off in the first paragraph would have paragraph as if you would have to absolute swivel eyed to be an absolute swivel eyed lunatic take person lunatic to take this person seriously. lunatic to take this person seriousljthey've got you think the >> and they've got you think the problem and problem is they're editing and not in that i do think that not you in that i do think that noficed not you in that i do think that noticed a pattern but and he also question also asked a question have you ever the wikimedia ever wondered why the wikimedia foundation wants so much money? >> because they're >> you know, because they're always asking for donations. but then said

then someone's actually said it certainly operate certainly isn't to operate wikipedia. literally fit certainly isn't to operate wcopydia. literally fit certainly isn't to operate wcopydiathe literally fit certainly isn't to operate wcopydiathe ltext lly fit certainly isn't to operate wcopydiathe [text on fit a copy of the entire text on your phone. community your phone. but then community notes platform notes on his own platform actually and said, actually answered this and said, the wikimedia foundation is a charitable providing the wikimedia foundation is a char access providing the wikimedia foundation is a characcess wikipedia)viding the wikimedia foundation is a characcess wikipedia while| free access to wikipedia while a text english only copy of text and english only copy of wikipedia is about 51gb, so you could fit it on your phone. all media supported languages media and supported languages bnngs media and supported languages brings to 428tb, so you brings it to 428tb, so you couldn't possibly do it. >> but hang on, he wasn't talking about all of the text on wikipedia. he was talking about the need order to wikipedia. he was talking about the wikipedia1eed order to wikipedia. he was talking about the wikipedia .>ed order to run wikipedia. >> surely you still have to store somewhere. yeah. store the text somewhere. yeah. >> yeah, you do. but that's not what talking about. what he was talking about. he was about simple was talking about how simple wikipedia editing wikipedia is to run the editing software and everything. i'm absolutely convinced of that. >> is currently rated helpful. i'll you where. i'll >> i'll tell you where. i'll tell money tell you where the money goes, because story because somebody did a story about this about six, maybe a year ago is quite sinister. well, it depends on how feel well, it depends on how you feel about it goes to about it. but it goes to a number of nonprofits that wikipedia considered and deemed to of which to be worthwhile, many of which are call hard left. are what i would call hard left. >> that's because you are >> but that's because you are supposedly civilised. yeah, exactly . yeah. exactly. yeah. >> they are. they are. >> but they are. they are. they're kind of promoting you

know, i don't know, trans this or you know, certain kind of endeavours in education in america or whatever , the kind of america or whatever, the kind of stuff that is certainly wouldn't be, you wouldn't think you would donating to necessarily just by giving $2 a month to be able to use wikipedia. it's nothing to do with running it. it's nothing to do with helping the voluntary. you know, the hard working ladies and, you know, making tea lovely making the tea and the lovely spread after the after the match. it's all about having some of political reach off some sort of political reach off the back of it. and not the back of it. and it's not even jemmy wales, i don't even run by jemmy wales, i don't think. telegraph now think. anyway telegraph now steve borrows light that steve and she borrows light that through night mankind may through the night mankind may all acclaim and truth to tell she lights up well so i for one don't blame her. you gilbert and sullivan. >> that was you getting your moon out. yeah. luna crystals show that the moon is 400 million years older than previously thought. looks great on it, though. got to admit that they've made this discovery by looking samples from nasa's looking at samples from nasa's apollo in 1972. right. apollo mission in 1972. right.

so i want to add in, there's also a chance they grabbed the newer bit of the moon. it could be older. we don't really know. but it's at least that but we know it's at least that old. the moon is 40 million years than previously years older than previously thought. still bad news for creationists. it's these zircon crystals they've managed to crystals that they've managed to find. radioactive decay, find. and by radioactive decay, this is you date things. this is how you date things. it's carbon dating, but it's like carbon dating, but without the carbon. they've worked that older . it's worked out that it's older. it's not going to change not really going to change anyone's slightly anyone's lives. might slightly mess or mess up our horoscope or two, but impressive. but it's impressive. >> incredible it's >> it's incredible that it's taken after 50 taken all this time after 50 years, the moon landing years, after the moon landing now. was going to say, now. well, i was going to say, when do you think humans will manage to land on it? >> you've with it >> but you've gone with it. it did a bit go. did happen. it seems a bit go. this is why you can't trust scientists, isn't it? million scientists, isn't it? 40 million years it's all years off. come on, it's all nonsense. every day of nonsense. but the every day of 6000 years is further, far more likely . likely. >> and cheese as well . of >> and cheese as well. of course, nick, the male have a story about bananas that manages to get the single most famous factoid about bananas wrong . factoid about bananas wrong. >> well, do you want to tell us what the factoid is? >> they're not really fruit . >> they're not really a fruit. >> they're not really a fruit.

>> what are they? >> good point. what are they? i think they're a or they're think they're a seed or they're a of legume . it's a herb. a kind of legume. it's a herb. >> yeah, a herb. that's right. >> they're a meat kind of insect. they're a fake meat. so it's. scientists warn cavendish bananas could extinct as bananas could go extinct as catastrophic fungal disease is about to wipe out the world's most popular type of fake meat. so, yeah, you do. so the cavendish banana accounts for 47% of the global banana production . as you know, it used production. as you know, it used to be gros michel or big mike. it was the main type. but then he got wiped out. but now this tr4, known also as panama tr4, of course , threatens to wipe of course, threatens to wipe this of course , they this one out. of course, they can up with way of can just come up with a way of not letting happen, which not letting that happen, which they will, says. they probably will, he says. at they probably will, he says. at the the article. but i'm the end of the article. but i'm amazed they can't just print them at this point. why them out at this point. why can't they can can't we just clone? they can put a human ear on a put ears on a human ear on a mouse. we can't make bananas a banana. mouse. we can't make bananas a bari na. mouse. we can't make bananas a bari agree you. what do you >> i agree with you. what do you think, steve? >> i've got a banana fact >> i've got a quick banana fact for actually. yeah, the for you, actually. yeah, the banana flavour that you get in sweets of sweets was based on a type of banana that's not around anymore. don't anymore. that's why they don't taste like bananas. they don't

taste like bananas. they don't taste like bananas. they don't taste like bananas. >> and i had assumed was taste like bananas. >> ibecausei assumed was taste like bananas. >> ibecause they jmed was taste like bananas. >> ibecause they were was taste like bananas. >> ibecause they were chemical just because they were chemical crap. no no, they actually was quite crap. no no, they actually was qui'one another quick thing is >> one another quick thing is the disease attacks the vascular system. something system. if you've got something that banana that looks like a banana and it's on it, veiny it's got veins on it, veiny bananas, another, bananas, there's another, another way of selling those. >> the 90% of bananas in 20 denmark get turned denmark villas get turned into banana know banana bread. i don't know if you but you can extrapolate that, but they bought deliberately they are bought deliberately to allow so that they allow them to rot so that they can then used when can then be used to say when will engineer one that is will they engineer one that is right 10s ones right for more than 10s the ones we have now go from green to brown unless eat them in brown unless you eat them in that ten second window when they're the full moon . they're struck by the full moon. yeah. 4:08 am. finally steve, the happy, sad story of the night as we bid farewell to bobby. >> i wish i could care more about this. the world's oldest dog dies at 31. that that headune dog dies at 31. that that headline again old dog dies. >> he's 31 years old and this picture is adorable . picture is adorable. >> well, there he is, another dog that looks like you. >> you with goldfish . >> like you do with goldfish. >> like you do with goldfish. >> are lovely. do you >> no, dogs are lovely. do you not dogs? you're not a dog, not have dogs? you're not a dog, man. i like dogs, but man. i mean, i like dogs, but i expect that they die , especially expect that they die, especially with than 31. with ages less than 31. >> why are not just.

>> so why are we not just. >> so why are we not just. >> had always assumed that >> i had always assumed that steve no, no steve had a soul and no, no interior monologue. >> rational. yeah >> just coldly rational. yeah >> just coldly rational. yeah >> cold. might as well go and >> cold. he might as well go and get a on gmb mate . you and i get a job on gmb mate. you and i will about the dog for will banter about the dog for the remaining half a minute. >> you had a whole show about. well, we could have. >> nothing sadder than >> there's nothing sadder than losing an old dog and this dog. and said, him? and and they said, you see him? and it the owner it would remind you, the owner said of people, humans that have passed used know him , passed that used to know him, which pretty in a dog which is pretty rare in a dog that dog spans human that the dog spans human lifetimes than other lifetimes rather than the other way about the humans, not >> sad about the humans, not the dead dog. >> he also survived being put down shortly birth down shortly after his birth because so he was because he escaped. so he was a fighter heart. fighter at heart. >> right on that box. >> oh yeah. the dostoyevsky survived before a firing squad. >> the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at tuesday's front pages. so we have the daily mail videos that prove the depraved ity of hamas terrorists . the telegraph eu terrorists. the telegraph eu clash with uk and us on ceasefire. the guardian bombed

embodiment of gaza continues amid talks to free more hostages . the times sunak chanting jihad is threat to our democracy . is threat to our democracy. financial times chevron doubles down on fossil fuel wager with $53 billion swoop for hess , the $53 billion swoop for hess, the daily star is there mice on mars ? it's a pun. those were your front pages . that's all we have front pages. that's all we have time for. thank you to my guests, steven allen, nick dixon . i'll be back tomorrow with leo kurz and josh howie. thanks very much for watching. night

humanitarian grounds . as more humanitarian grounds. as more aid reaches gaza . it comes as aid reaches gaza. it comes as israel intensifies its bombing

campaign and ground assaults. mark white has the latest from israel . these hostage releases israel. these hostage releases are certainly welcome, but the israeli government believes it's no more than hamas delaying tactics and they won't be diverted from their mission to destroy the terror group . destroy the terror group. >> as rishi sunak marks one year in the job, he is facing a deluge of content among his own mps. >> after a string of devastating by—election results. but does he get your vote of confidence ? get your vote of confidence? >> the death toll from storm babet continues to rise . more babet continues to rise. more flood warnings issued for areas of england already hard hit by heavy rainfall. facing a bit of a backlash, the government's been forced to defend its flood defence spending. >> we've invested £2.6 billion in flood defences right across the country. that was over 300,000 homes were partway through a programme of spending a further £5.2 billion over a six year time period , with storm six year time period, with storm babet continuing to wreak havoc.