along with another returned along with another israeli woman, nurit cooper, on humanitarian grounds. their husbands, though , are still husbands, though, are still being held hostage . yakov's being held hostage. yakov's daughter, sharon, who's a british citizen, translated her mother's description of the abduction in form of people came through the fence. >> the fence cost 2.5 billion shekel and it didn't help even a little bit. my mum is saying that she was taken on the back of a motorbike when she first arrived and when they told them that they are muslims and they're not going to hurt them and that they share, they ate the same food that their the hamas was eating . hamas was eating. >> meanwhile , the israeli >> meanwhile, the israeli security agency has released footage of interviews with captured hamas fighters. one says he was promised huge rewards for capturing hostages

in gaza . in gaza. >> whoever brings the kidnapped gets a bonus . gets a bonus. >> how much is the bonus they give an apartment and $10,000 for each person captured ? yes. for each person captured? yes. who told you this ? who told you this? >> that's how it works in al—qassam brigade. >> the commander told you this? yes. >> the company commander. >> the company commander. >> for each captured, you get an apartment ? apartment? >> yes. because they wanted as many kidnapped possible. the many kidnapped as possible. the goal of our infiltration for them was to capture and kidnap as many as we could . as many as we could. >> meanwhile, in news here at home, the number of hotels being used by the government to house asylum seekers currently costing £8 million a day is going to be reduced. the immigration minister has confirmed 50 will be exited and their words by january with that process beginning in the coming days. but walthamstow mp stella creasy says refugees in her constituency have already been told to vacate their hotels with only a week's notice. she says the government's policy is

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>> good evening. well, yet more i'm uncovering from the natwest bank subject access request all 600 pages of it quite a bit to trawl through now . now this trawl through now. now this bit's important because back in april, back in april, bit's important because back in april, back in april , when of april, back in april, when of course it was decided that i would have my account closed simultaneously . somebody quite simultaneously. somebody quite senior in natwest wrote this in support of coutts's decision to exit nigel farage six nificant adverse press. zen phobic comments, russian connections lose clarity over a lack of clarity over source of wealth . i clarity over source of wealth. i have confirmed that retail would have confirmed that retail would have no appetite to onboard the customer if he were to apply to natwest royal bank or ulster bank. brands nf would represent a more complex customer beyond our vanilla commercial risk reward appetite. so to be clear, what i was told, my accounts were closing at coutts. there was absolutely no option to go to natwest at all. yet a few

months later, dame alison rose on the 20th of july, said that i've written to him today, meaning me too. to make clear that we apologise and we reiterate our offer of alternative banking arrangements with natwest group . oh, alison with natwest group. oh, alison rose . you do so well, don't you? rose. you do so well, don't you? or at least you think you do well covering up lie after lie after lie. are you really going to walk away from that board meeting on thursday with £11.3 million, given that this bank is nearly 40% owned by the state? but even more seriously , in but even more seriously, in these documents , i mean, try these documents, i mean, try this for size . he got paid from this for size. he got paid from the kremlin. bet he's a spy. yep. they genuinely believe moved. i was in the pay of russian money. the previous statement i read out mentioned russian connections. my links to

russian connections. my links to russia were mentioned 144 times in the coutts subject access request . i'll say it in the coutts subject access request. i'll say it again. he got paid from the kremlin. bet he's a spy tonight , right? he's a spy tonight, right? albeit briefly. i want to talk to you about what fake news is why did people within that bank believe that one of the reasons i should be debunked is because of my connections and income from russia. well this happened in the house of commons and it came from sir chris bryant, member of parliament, labour member of parliament for the rhondda valley wales . rhondda valley in south wales. >> understand why arron >> i don't understand why arron banks, frankly isn't on the list either . even isabel oakeshott either. even isabel oakeshott now that he is an agent now thinks that he is an agent of influence for the russian state and i am simply pointing out that nigel farage received from russia today £548,000, £573 in 2018 alone from from the russian state and that is what coutts bank believed and that is

what many other people in this country believed. >> and indeed , i even had to >> and indeed, i even had to cancel one public appearance . cancel one public appearance. such was the threat of violence against me for being in the pay of the russians. this is how fake news is created . and bryant fake news is created. and bryant did this using parliamentary privilege. now absolutely. unbeknown to me , until a couple unbeknown to me, until a couple of weeks ago , on the last day of weeks ago, on the last day before the summer recess in the middle of an afternoon debate on a totally different subject , sir a totally different subject, sir chris bryant had this to say. >> the previous debate on sanctions. i referred to the former leader of ukip and let me be absolutely clear. i have had no correspondence of any kind, electronic or in writing or digital with coutts bank about him or for that matter, about anybody else. because i don't have many constituents who bank with coutts . i don't know . i with coutts. i don't know. i have no idea why coutts have closed his bank account, but i should have been more careful

with the words that i used a year ago. the figure i gave was for his total income. i think that he has himself stated that he was paid by for his appearances on russia today and that russia today is of course a part of the russian state. and he has made clear his respect for vladimir putin as a nationalist. but the figure i gave was nowhere near, i think the accurate figure. so i apologise if i have inadvertently misled the house. i had no intention to do so, and i had no intention to do so, and ihope i had no intention to do so, and i hope that that puts the record straight. >> today he apologises for misleading the house. he doesn't apologise to me. he misleading the house. he doesn't apologise to me . he doesn't even apologise to me. he doesn't even name me at any point in that. and when he says the figure was misleading, it wasn't. it was nowhere near the number stated. no sir. chris. the number was zero. i earned 0 in 2018 from any russian connected source of any russian connected source of any kind whatsoever for that speech , given when it was how it speech, given when it was how it

was at the time. got no press pick up at all. and this is what fake news is, folks. a narrative, an aggressive narrative, an aggressive narrative that is untrue, gets created in the media, believed in the public. and when you get an apology or half an apology, as that was , nobody gets to hear as that was, nobody gets to hear of it. it does huge reputational damage . it is of it. it does huge reputational damage. it is one of of it. it does huge reputational damage . it is one of the reasons damage. it is one of the reasons why when a major reason why i was debunked . i'm joined by was debunked. i'm joined by professor daniel hodson, former deputy ceo and financial director of nationwide pride. daniel, i'm uncovering an awful lot more this week about the culture that existed deep within the natwest bank. alison rose, when she apologised, said , you when she apologised, said, you know, some of the things that were said by coutts did not reflect what the wider bank, but clearly, clearly some extraordinary political culture now appears to be at the heart of the kind of financial institutions that you've been a part of for much of your life. >> yes, it's not a new thing. i

think . and it's very worrying. think. and it's very worrying. i read obviously in detail what was said about you and i have to say that , but i find it very say that, but i find it very disturbing. i don't think when i was involved in the retail banking industry that any of the staff would have behaved in this way. of course, we tolerated the fact that everyone was entitled to political opinions, but to express them in this way is quite extraordinary. i'm afraid that it is. one of the fallouts of brexit. nigel everything has got rather emotional and over toned, but the point that you make about fake news is hugely important and also the fact that the media and you know, dare i mention our state broadcaster , mention our state broadcaster, the bbc, don't always give the right bias, as it were. think you were saying earlier how the spread of public opinion and within the tory party certainly and within its voters was very

different from the parliamentary party itself. i think that is true of the public as a whole . i true of the public as a whole. i think that our broadcasters on the whole tend to have a different distribution of opinion compared with the way that the as a whole thinks. >> i think that's right. i think that's absolutely right. and yes, i expect it in much of mainstream media. i expect it of most of our members of parliament. it's just the fact this stuff has seeped in to our corporate structures and that the fca , the regulator , you the fca, the regulator, you know, now instructs firms about what they should do to aid diversity and inclusion. and daniel, there also is extending the test of who is a fit and proper person to work in financial services to include looking at their social media. are we going too far with this? >> well, i mean, the social media issue is one which actually puts people off joining being involved in politics in

the first place. but if you're talking about social media, for people who are just going into a to bank get a job that is extra ordinary, and i think it's very unfortunate because , you know, unfortunate because, you know, one of the great things about this and the thing that this country and the thing that most people certainly would most people here certainly would go for is the go to the barriers for is the protection of free speech. i've worked with people in in non—political, non—political circumstances, and i've never beenin circumstances, and i've never been in any way put off by the various different political opinions. but i think the point that i want to make more than anything else is i know because you've said it earlier that there are a million people who don't have a bank account whom half a million might well probably like to have one. but also we've got to realise that this is extremely damaging to our industry . i mean, i've had our industry. i mean, i've had cases of firms who are exporting, for instance, to the middle east who get banged simply because they're doing business with saudi arabia . business with saudi arabia. that's disgraceful. yeah, and it shouldn't that should not be the case. >> no, absolutely . it's

>> no, absolutely. it's a massive problem. it affects it affects the large and the small. it's been happening on a huge scale. i think i hope i've done my bit to lift the lid on it. final thought. if i may? daniel hodgson, the natwest board meet this thursday . they will have this thursday. they will have had the so—called review given to them by a city firm of lawyers , and they will decide on lawyers, and they will decide on the final pay package if including bonuses for dame alison rose given that this is nearly 40% owned by the taxpayer , would it be wrong of me to say that she should not walk away with £11.3 million? well i have two points to make here. >> one is i'm surprised that the shareholders involved in these banks and of course, 40% of the natwest is actually us. the electorate have have not stepped in here. um, but so far as you're concerned , nigel, i and you're concerned, nigel, i and the future of dame alison rose

is concerned . you remember what is concerned. you remember what i said last time we had a discussion about this? the money ought to go to charity. it ought to go to charities, for instance, who actually support people who are unbanked, who are affected by these actions , or affected by these actions, or some some such enterprise . some such some such enterprise. i don't suppose that's going to happen. i don't suppose that's going to happen . and i imagine that she happen. and i imagine that she is going to get her 11 million. but it's very it's very it it tells the wrong story at a time when i think that we need more exposure in the way that you've done, nigel, of these kind of things. thank you for doing it, daniel. >> thank you for your support. and i'm sure it's a great and yeah, i'm sure it's a great shock to you as a former financial director of nationwide to what's happened to that to see what's happened to that industry. joining to see what's happened to that indlagain joining to see what's happened to that indlagain here joining to see what's happened to that indlagain here on joining to see what's happened to that indlagain here on gb joining to see what's happened to that indlagain here on gb news.ng me again here on gb news. discuss this vital topic and it is vital because it affects absolutely all of us. we cannot live and survive properly in the 21st century without banking services. yeah , you know, services. and yeah, you know, i've used my case. i've fought back against these so—and—sos, but i haven'tjust done it

back against these so—and—sos, but i haven't just done it for me. done it for the me. i've done it for the unbanked all over the place. i want see real, real change in want to see real, real change in a head to tel aviv. a moment, we head to tel aviv. we speak to white. we're we speak to mark white. we're going talk hostage releases. going to talk hostage releases. we're also going to be talking about some splits . it seems that about some splits. it seems that the european union and indeed the european union and indeed the boss of the united nations are telling israel very different things to what they're heanng different things to what they're hearing from us. and the americans. mark white in tel aviv just moment

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> we are going straight to tel aviv to join mark white, gb news security editor who is there. mark good evening to you . i mark good evening to you. i suppose the release of two elderly hostages has rather dominated the debate today . dominated the debate today. >> yes, indeed . a rare good >> yes, indeed. a rare good moment here in israel over the last two and a half weeks with the release of these two elderly

women when they were in remarkably good shape despite their ordeal. and one of the women, in fact, giving a news conference and she was very determined to get her point across, saying that she is willing to help the israeli authorities with whatever information she can give them into the conditions she was held into the conditions she was held in and exactly where she was held. and she said that she was in a tunnel system. she walked for 2 to 3 hours in this tunnel system before getting into a central hallway . and there was central hallway. and there was about 25 other hostages that she could see. it was like a spider's web of tunnels. so there's no doubt she's got valuable information that she can pass to the israeli authorities. and we'll be speaking to her very gently, of course , given what she's been course, given what she's been through. but will be speaking to her in the days ahead now. >> absolutely. and mark, you know, there are still about 200 hostages that were taken on the 7th of october, somewhere

probably in those as probably in those tunnels, as was described to us. is there any serious negotiation ? is any serious negotiation? is there any indication why some have now been released ? have now been released? >> well, i don't think there's negotiation that is taking place on behalf of the israeli government, or at least the israeli government is not negotiating directly . but third negotiating directly. but third parties such as egypt , qatar, parties such as egypt, qatar, the international red cross are certainly in some kind of dialogue with hamas. but what we're seeing is the drip, drip of hostages being released 1 or 2 every 2 or 3 days is now. if that pace continues , then this that pace continues, then this is going to span into not just is going to span into notjust weeks, but months and all the time that this is happening. of course, there is increasing pressure on israel not to proceed with the ground war as countries who have citizens that are being held hostage want to

see time given to these negotiations. but it is according to israeli officials, according to israeli officials, a hamas tactic just to play for time . time. >> well, as you say, everybody was expecting the ground invasion to have happened a long time before. now it hasn't. but inofice time before. now it hasn't. but i notice that amongst the international community, there seems to be some quite strong pushback. we had this this afternoon from the united nafions afternoon from the united nations chief, antonio guterres, who was accused and this is the boss of the un who was accused israel of clear breaches of international humanitarian law . international humanitarian law. we've had the european union's foreign minister sort of urging that perhaps military action in gazais that perhaps military action in gaza is not the alternative. yet it appears as the americans and the british are rather on the other side. is there perhaps , other side. is there perhaps, maybe it comes from the more globalist organised nations like the eu and the un. is there a slight in your, in your view, a

slight in your, in your view, a slight fracturing of support for israel in the international community? well there are certainly i think, some concern about these bodies, such as the un and the european union and just how committed they are to israel's fight . israel's fight. >> there's deep anger here in israel this evening at the comments in particular from the un secretary—general saying not just that there was clear violations of international law, but also saying that this attack on the 7th of october did not happenin on the 7th of october did not happen in a vacuum, that the people of palestine have suffered 56, 56 years of occupation where their land has been steadily taken over by settlements and they've suffered violence . now, that's had an violence. now, that's had an immediate reaction from israel,

from the un envoy from israel , from the un envoy from israel, saying that that really is just appalling, shocking and totally detached from reality , that the detached from reality, that the un secretary—general appeared in what he's saying to be excusing those horrific attacks on the 7th of october. >> i must say that was very much my feeling. mark two and of course the accurate truth as far as gaza is concerned, that israel withdrew many, many, many years ago. finally, mark white, if i may , what is the military if i may, what is the military situation? what is the situation with rockets coming into and going israel today ? going out of israel today? >> well, what we've still got hamas staging really on the border with gaza. no go ahead yet for that major ground operation . instead, what we've operation. instead, what we've had is an intensive action of the airstrikes to try to target those key hamas targets, including the launchers. every time they pop up to fire rockets into israel. and i think a

worrying development today actually , nigel, in that central actually, nigel, in that central israel , actually, nigel, in that central israel, including actually, nigel, in that central israel , including here actually, nigel, in that central israel, including here in actually, nigel, in that central israel , including here in tel israel, including here in tel aviv , came under its largest aviv, came under its largest rocket bombardment since the start of this conflict on the 7th of october. here we rushed for the shelter like everyone else in central tel aviv , dozens else in central tel aviv, dozens of rockets intercepted by the iron dome missile defence system. but at least one rocket got through badly, damaging a house north—east of tel aviv . house north—east of tel aviv. and the worrying factor is the israeli mission to carry out these strikes is about degrading hamas s ability to launch these rockets, among other things. and clearly there seems to be no shortage of these deadly weapons that they can launch towards israel . israel. >> no, it's a very fair point. mark white, thank you for that report live from tel aviv. and you know, whatever the historical rights or wrongs, folks of all of this, you know,

i do think that what happened on the 7th of october without incursion into israel with those murderous, horrendous, barbarous attacks , and yet i feel israel attacks, and yet i feel israel actually does have a right to fight back. yet the un and the eu are wobbling , leaving israel eu are wobbling, leaving israel in a very difficult position . in in a very difficult position. in a moment, the french interior minister is really talking tough , he says. if you're out there, if you're an islamic radical, if you're being anti—semitic, we are going to deport you and the echr can go to hell . are going to deport you and the echr can go to hell. i'll are going to deport you and the echr can go to hell . i'll ask are going to deport you and the echr can go to hell. i'll ask in a minute whether they really can do that

listening to gb news radio. in new york a few moments ago, donald trump arrived at yet another court case. >> yes, this one is the civil fraud trial being held in new york. trump responds before

going into the courthouse, i built a great company that's coming out. that's actually things that things that are coming out. what a great company i built, trump says about michael cohen's testimony. we're not worried at all about his testimony . so michael was testimony. so michael cohen was trump's lawyer. he's testifying against trump . the big problem against trump. the big problem will be in all the other cases, he will find people that in the past he worked with will actually come out and plead guilty. and this is all because of the way that plea bargaining works in america. they'll tell you there are 20 charges against you there are 20 charges against you . and if you lose, it's 150 you. and if you lose, it's 150 years in prison. but plead guilty to one charge and you'll probably get a three month sentence suspended . and that's sentence suspended. and that's why 98% of the cases , 98% of why 98% of the cases, 98% of cases in america finish up with guilty pleas. it is a i admire much about america, but its judicial system absolutely stinks . now, talking of judicial system absolutely stinks. now, talking of judicial systems, of course , europe has

systems, of course, europe has its european court of human rights, its european convention on human rights , and it's on human rights, and it's beginning to come under challenge. oh, no, not from this country. goodness gracious me. no, but it was interesting that in germany, where we really have seen some very violent scenes on the streets, i'm a star of david being painted, spray painted on houses where jews live and many other extraordinary and awful things, petrol bombs at synagogues and all of this in the country. that said, in 1945, never again . as i reported last never again. as i reported last night, the german chancellor in der spiegel said , we're going to der spiegel said, we're going to have to start deportations, but what really caught my eye today was the french interior minister, and his name is gerald dumas , and he has said france dumas, and he has said france will deport foreigners deemed a threat without doubt, waiting for the european court of human rights to hear their appeal . rights to hear their appeal. well well, this is really, really interesting indeed. i

wonder, martin howe, kc , as wonder, martin howe, kc, as somebody that specialises in eu law at all levels and could the french simply just defy this court in their own country of strasbourg , or is this just strasbourg, or is this just political sort of baton waving? >> i don't know how serious it is , but they they knowing the is, but they they knowing the french, they probably will go through with it because as they have a history of being rather more robust with these international courts than we are, and it's the same thing as when we were in the eu, where, you know, various countries were getting away, including the french, with not implementing common eu rules. and of course , common eu rules. and of course, muggins in this country obeyed everything to the letter . everything to the letter. >> yeah, i can see the parallels very clearly, see the parallels. but i mean, if a state like france was was to breach some fundamental principles of the echr of that convention and there was a judgement in strasbourg, what would happen? i

mean, they'd simply get fined, would they as a government? >> well, well, at the end of the day, there's just a big row in the council of europe. i mean, you know, when russia was a member, putin got member, putin regularly got hauled over the coals and nothing persuaded him to obey any judgements of the european court of human rights. so at the end of the day , it's pretty end of the day, it's pretty toothless . toothless. >> it's interesting, isn't it? because here it would appear that westminster is terrified of it. i mean , here, you know, it. i mean, here, you know, we're waiting for the supreme court rwanda and, courtjudgement on rwanda and, you know, maybe the judges will bnngin you know, maybe the judges will bring in the convention in that against the government. and even if the government wins, they can still get taken to strasbourg. and you mentioned this point about, you know, eu membership. we naturally, we not, a we are naturally, are we not, a country that if we want to be part of a club, we believe we pay part of a club, we believe we pay the membership fee and we kind of obey the rules because there are some martin house suggesting that maybe we could be a bit more like gerald

domino, that we could just say , domino, that we could just say, the hell with it, we're just going to do what we want, but we never do. do we? >> we don't. and i think it's not necessarily a good idea for us to change our, you know, to change to not not obeying laws. a lot of baying international treaties. but i think what we need to do is be rather more careful about what we sign up to and the problem with the european convention on human rights, it's not so much the convention as it was drafted originally, which is unobjectionable and gain widespread support across the political spectrum. it's 50 years of judgements by the strasbourg court that have changed it and judicial activism and judicial activism and indeed this whole business of it. acting against deportes asians was an invention of the strasbourg court. it was never intended to be an asylum convention. it was in fact negotiated in parallel with the geneva asylum. >> yeah, because we're always told by the labour party. well,

hang on, it was british lawyers that drafted it. we should be very proud it. but the point very proud of it. but the point you're making is it's a very different animal. >> extremely different >> it's an extremely different animal that was animal from the animal that was drafted. and the of the drafted. and at the end of the day, the big question is why do we need to belong to it anymore as a country? >> well, you see, i, i get this sense that that we're going to be out on the road this show is going to be in cardiff tomorrow. and in saint austell in cornwall on thursday. and it's just so interesting to get outside london and talk to folk and they can't understand why if we voted brexit, there's still this sort of foreign court that they don't fully understand. there was no reason why they should. is this going become an election going to become an election issue, in your opinion? i think it's to. it's bound to. >> the immediate issue, >> i mean, the immediate issue, of course, is the boat people and rwanda issue. but that's and the rwanda issue. but that's only one of the many things which the european convention has caused problems on. i mean, ben wallace, the outgoing

defence secretary, made the point that it interferes severely only with military operations abroad and the convention was never intended to apply extra territorially. that's a pure invention of the strasbourg court , so it's time strasbourg court, so it's time to leave, is it? >> martin how? >> martin how? >> well, my view is it's time to leave. in fact, ten years ago i was on a committee mission on the bill of rights set up by the camp karen government, the coalition government . and we coalition government. and we were at of sort of were looking at ways of sort of modifying its application and things. i mean , i think things. but i mean, i think we've gone past that sort of approach and really there is no purpose for this country to remain in it. you know, why should we have a sort of regional but we'll become like belarus and russia. >> they'll say, well, because they're not part of it. >> well, they i mean, you know, they decided to leave for very different reasons. i mean, the reason for leaving would be it's impossible , unfortunately, to

impossible, unfortunately, to stay in the convention and not be bound by the court. the court is because of our culture and because of our culture. we don't want to belong to clubs and then not not obey the rules, as you put it. and if the rules are not acceptable, and i think they aren't, then we should leave. and then they come back to the real point what is the benefit to us in staying? i have no idea. it's just waving arms around and saying, oh, we, you know, we'll be regarded as bad people. >> i think the guardian would tell us it's protecting us against bad, evil governments. but i don't think our governments , they may make governments, they may make mistakes, but doubt mistakes, but i doubt they're bad mistakes, but i doubt they're bacwell, we're a democratic >> well, we're a democratic system and the end of the system and at the end of the day, the electorate, they do dictatorial governments really. >> hall, >> interesting. martin hall, thank indeed for thank you very much indeed for coming on. think will coming on. i think this will become major national become a very major national debate , you all know debate now, you all know regulars to show. am regulars to this show. i am vehemently opposed to the ulez extension. think hits extension. i think it hits people , particularly who people, particularly those who are , those who haven't

are retired, those who haven't got much money and those that are well off and have got brand new cars don't actually have to pay new cars don't actually have to pay it. well, one man, christopher oxenham, who's a retired insurance broker who lives on the lives in warlingham up on the north downs ridge, not too far away me, actually, away from me, actually, christopher, this is an extraordinary story because as he has been charged a ulez charge on for 18 occasions, despite claiming he's never been into the zone. and christopher oxenham joins me live from warlingham. christopher, good evening . welcome to the program. evening. welcome to the program. so i'm guessing that you must live just outside the ulez zone . live just outside the ulez zone. >> so i'm just inside. actually, i i'm in a sort of leafy lane, you could argue walling them, but i come under the parish of sandhurst, which is part of croydon , and the other side of croydon, and the other side of the road comes under tandridge council. >> so that would be surrey . so >> so that would be surrey. so if i go up my lane and turn

left, as i do every day, i'm fine. if i turn right, which i haven't done , i'm in the ulez right? >> and chris, i can see that your car has a personalised number plate. so if you claim you've not been into the zone , you've not been into the zone, but you're avoiding going into the zone , then how come you've the zone, then how come you've got 14 charges? yeah >> i mean , i find my life to, >> i mean, i find my life to, to, to a degree is pretty restricted now. silly things i can't go and see a friend in purley cousin in walled i'm sorry in what ington. i can't go to the dry cleaners. i can't go to the dry cleaners. i can't go to the dry cleaners. i can't go to the bromley shopping . i can't to the bromley shopping. i can't go to the dentist . all because go to the dentist. all because there were the ulez or unless i paid £12.50, which i'm not prepared to pay because i think it's ridiculous , to be honest it's ridiculous, to be honest with you. there are other ways

of dealing with this . but i of dealing with this. but i mean, see, i, i view this as an abuse of legal process because they're continuing a lack of due diligence once they know my number. but but they're allocating it to other vehicles. so any my number is 22. oh quite easy but any vehicle including 22 cpo that is compliant or non—compliant , gets captured and non—compliant, gets captured and i get a fine. >> so all sorts of makes of car then that have got to cpo somewhere in it and you get the bill and they don't want to toyotas absolutely extraordinary and just finally the point you were making there not just the amount of money because they do credit you once you comply , but credit you once you comply, but how does one deal with the fact that you are guilty? >> first of all, they obviously

computerise it. they charge you and you have to prove that you're innocent with a picture of your car and your number plate. i mean , i was in hospital plate. i mean, i was in hospital once when i got done, i was in norfolk the last time i got done . it's ludicrous . and quite . it's ludicrous. and quite frankly, they're they're cameras are not fit and the whole process is not fit for purpose. they know it. i know it and everybody else knows it . everybody else knows it. >> christopher oxenham, thank you for coming on and telling us your story . you for coming on and telling us your story. thank you. thank you. and tfl in response have said transport for london have said transport for london have said we apologise for any distress this has caused. ms oxenham this is a very rare occurrence, but unfortunate. honestly, our automatic number plate recognition cameras have misinterpreted the registrations on the other cars as mr oxenham's registration and incorrect charges were applied. we have refunded all the charges paid and have put in extra measures involving further checks to avoid this happening in the future. well, it's all

well and good, isn't it? but it's pretty much of a bore for mr oxenham and you can see talking to him that he just, you know, his life has been fundamentally changed by these cameras. to what end ? to what cameras. to what end? to what benefit? certainly nothing to do with air quality . let's stick with air quality. let's stick with air quality. let's stick with transport. let's stick with the great white elephant of modern times to some very , very modern times to some very, very significant claims made by whistleblowers . in a very good whistleblowers. in a very good piece in the sunday times this week. it's not that it was new, but it was all brought together and it would appear that the bosses, at least this is the accusation that the bosses of hs2 have been misleading people about the true cost of the project. and when you bear in mind, this is 100% taxpayers money. this i think, is a very serious situation on hs2. and are we being defrauded? in just are we being defrauded? in just

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did the bosses at hs2 deliberately conceal rapidly rising costs so that they could make sure the government kept pumping the billions in? and if they did , well, that would be they did, well, that would be a pretty serious charge. now, i'm joined here in the studio by andrew bruce, former head of planning and performance at hs2 , planning and performance at hs2, who well, an andrew, you were there from 2015 to 2016. yes, in a senior position. and as i understand it, from what i've read and what i've seen, you were specifically involved with the part of the project that was repossessing houses up and down the line . correct. so just tell the line. correct. so just tell us your story, what you saw. >> okay . when i got to hs2, my >> okay. when i got to hs2, my job description was to buy all the land within a budget of £2.8 billion. right. so that was very specific. >> and you had experience in doing this in previous jobs before? >> i had, yes. i'm a chartered

civil engineer. i've done a lot of properties . of properties. >> so you've got 2.8 billion to spend. yes buying up properties up and down the line. yes >> and i was given three key tasks. the first, i had to identify how many properties there was 11,420 of them. it was very clear i had to know when we were going to buy those properties. also very clear because construction told me exactly when they wanted those properties what less properties as what was less clear was how much those properties were going to be valued, what cost was. valued, at what the cost was. now, was given the official now, i was given the official hs2 budget so it was 2.8 billion. it was in my job description. it it was part of the everybody knew what the value was, but when i started looking at the figures very quickly, within my first week, i realised that there was a very large fundamental problem with that estimate. it was wrong very clearly wrong. >> it was wrong because the compensation that was paid as a result of the compulsory purchase was more than 2.8

billion. >> not only that, we knew that in 2014 over three years before hs2 actually got permission through parliament. want to proceed? we already knew that the budget was £2 billion. we needed £2 billion more than the actual budget. >> so you were employed by hs2? well paid , i'm sure, in a senior well paid, i'm sure, in a senior role with a big job to do on an entirely false premise . yes, exactly. >> and it became a real problem very quickly for two reasons. probably the biggest reason that i was most upset about was we were taking people's property from them. but we didn't have the money to pay. so the team that i was with was deliberately under valuing their properties because we didn't actually have the funds to pay them properly for what their properties were worth. and i felt that was very wrong and i felt that i could do something about that from the inside if i showed hs2. actually how much money we really needed

and in fact, how much money hs2 is. they commissioned estimates of very experienced property surveyors who'd already told hs2 it wasn't 2.8 billion. it was at least £2 billion, more like 4.8 billion, 4.8 billion was was was the figure i had. >> so you run into this problem, you've been given a job on a false premise. you haven't got the money to pay people some poor owners are getting poor house owners are getting really badly done. but the system. does system. yes, but does this facade continue? >> yes. so what i decided to do from the inside was we commissioned a report from deloittes . it took about three deloittes. it took about three months to produce this . and that months to produce this. and that report was going to be a programme plan . we started with programme plan. we started with zero people, zero capability, zero people, zero capability, zero capacity, and in a fairly short period of time we had to take on the large wokeist land compulsorily acquisition since the second world war. we're actually to going try and take

on 70km2 of land. it is a huge amount of land for hs2 and for that i realise that i had to show hs2 to the 2.8 billion was wrong and in fact use their own figures. it wasn't figures that i made up, it was hs2's own figures to ask for that budget to be raised so we could actually pay people properly . actually pay people properly. and what happened? >> so what happened was we wrote a report, deloitte wrote a report. >> it was it cost millions of pounds to write this report. it took months to do. we had some very serious help when that report was completed and we wanted to submit that and use it to create the programme and the projects to move it fonnard . a projects to move it fonnard. a new property director came in and his first task was to tell me, andrew, take all these reports, shred them, put them in the shredding bin, destroy them. and i said , but this is three

and i said, but this is three months worth of work. this is our plan to move fonnard. this this is to show how much money we really need, how we're going to properly. honestly to do this properly. honestly to the taxpayer . and he says, shred the taxpayer. and he says, shred it. we had to shred it. he then asked me to write a brand new programme , but i had to write it programme, but i had to write it myself in four days. we'd just spent millions of pounds in three months shredding it. >> well, if any public money, i suppose i'd been involved all the way through with the deloittes . deloittes. >> it had my name on it. i'd signed it off when i wrote my report. my was then report. my director was then furious because i'd made reference to what called the reference to what he called the deloitte report and they had eight swim lanes. eight swim lanes. they had 13 projects. i'd 13 he made me rewrite it, but eventually that got through and i thought i was making progress when i thought i was making progress. we then put it in front of the department for transport, some very senior people from the for department transport were there and other senior executives and i managed

in february of 2016 to show them first the 2.8 billion budget. we had . the first the first problem had. the first the first problem was it was 1.2 billion in error. but also there was things like we were one third of the properties had accidentally been valued at zero, which was in error. one third of the properties had been valued at under £1,000, and these were big properties. >> this is why we were 2 billion out. >> basic error. yes and so i was adding on the additions. >> so what happens in the end, andrew? do they kick you out so in the end, resign or the day that i to formally submit this report, was was the 6th of report, it was it was the 6th of april. >> i'd set up the room. the department for transport was coming in. i was about to put it in. i was called in to a side room. security was there. i was escorted out the building really without explanation. and a week later got a letter saying that later i got a letter saying that i was dismissed. >> andrew, this happened in >> andrew, if this happened in your , if your sector of

your sector, if your sector of hs2 was wilfully and deliberately and the government and the public were misled as to what hence the costs keep escalating , what do you think escalating, what do you think should happen to these hs2 directors? >> i think what they did was criminal. you know, think it criminal. you know, i think it was fraudulent . was fraud was fraudulent. it was a fraud against the british public. well, i think the police need to get involved. andrew, i think these people should. >> bruce, they are very >> andrew bruce, they are very strong words and thank you for coming in and delivering them. now, we do have a response which won't surprise you. hs2 limited have said in course of have said in the course of updating estimates on land and property increased property costs have increased and we have been completely transparent about this process. it said no order was given to destroy the deloitte report and it was not shredded and it said electronic copies were retained and department for transport said the government and its pubuc said the government and its public bodies take such claims seriously they will ensure they are thoroughly in investigated. so you are, the reports so there you are, the reports weren't shredded. andrew bruce i shredded them personally myself .

shredded them personally myself. >> i have to shred them. there you are. >> well, jacob rees—mogg has been sitting in with me listening to all of this . i'm is listening to all of this. i'm is really pretty shocking what andrew saying . andrew bruce is saying. >> it is, isn't it? and more >> it is, isn't it? and the more one hears about hs2 , the worse one hears about hs2, the worse it the huge waste of it sounds. the huge waste of pubuc it sounds. the huge waste of public money, the care callousness about it from the outset of the project and the failure to hold ministers or parliament, what was really happening? >> well, think the problem >> well, i think the problem here what andrew bruce is here with what andrew bruce is saying not saying is that it's not carelessness. it's actually wilfully it becomes wilful , wilfully it becomes wilful, isn't it, that they make mistakes. >> it may start cover them up, but it becomes then they become wilfully obstructive and fire people who are whistleblowing and that seems to have happened on the sunday times had a detailed report. no, no, no. it was very i was saying earlier, the sunday times brought together lot of strands of together a lot of strands of stories that were already out there, was actually very compelling. >> well, i have to say, you know, i hope very much that that andrew right and that andrew bruce is right and that we get these people to we do get these people to actually have stand up in

actually have to stand up in court and defend what did court and defend what they did is for goodness sake. is our money for goodness sake. >> money. that's right. >> our money. that's right. bonkers has been frittered away likea lot of that's our money, >> a lot of that's our money, too. it is indeed. >> i love you. don't they? i mean, that is extraordinarily vile, well, i hope vile, isn't it? well, i hope whoever is who said that you whoever it is who said that you should have something at should have something thrown at you, but you, you yoghurt is fired. but i think that's absolutely outrageous . yes. and you know , outrageous. yes. and you know, it's fair enough not to like politicians. it's fair enough to shout at them. but throwing substances at them is just monstrous. >> there's more to come. there's more to come on natwest, folks. you wait. jacob, very quickly. what have you got? >> we're going to be following on from you, echr. we've got to leave time has come. leave it. the time has come. even french are fed up with even the french are fed up with it. absolutely it's not even even the french are fed up with it. abenough�* it's not even even the french are fed up with it. abenough fors not even even the french are fed up with it. abenough for thet even even the french are fed up with it. abenough for the french. it's good enough for the french. it's certainly good enough for lis. us. >> us. >> jacob rees—mogg says do exactly as the french do. you heard here first. you'll heard it here first. you'll probably hear probably never, ever hear it again. it from me. let's again. that's it from me. let's have at the very wet weather. >> hello again. it's alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather for some, news weather update. for some, it a little chilly it will be a little bit chilly

overnight, the south we overnight, but in the south we have heavy arriving have some heavy rain arriving that's in association with an area of low pressure. currently just to the southwest. but this is to skirt its way is going to skirt its way eastwards along the english channel go through channel as we go through the night into wednesday. that will then signal nificant night into wednesday. that will then of signal nificant night into wednesday. that will then of raingnal nificant night into wednesday. that will then of rain acrossficant night into wednesday. that will then of rain across southern amount of rain across southern parts. the heaviest rain likely to be in the south southeast. and could see some and here we could see some disruption travel, perhaps disruption to travel, perhaps some flooding, too. some localised flooding, too. elsewhere towards the east of scotland, bit wet and quite scotland, a bit wet and quite cloudy, but further west northwest, some clear skies. so turning bit chilly, turning a little bit chilly, a touch frost possible across touch of frost possible across some parts of scotland. some parts of western scotland. a very start . then in the a very wet start. then in the southeast wednesday morning southeast on wednesday morning could some problems during could cause some problems during the hour. but the the morning rush hour. but the rain should away and then rain should clear away and then it's drier picture across many it's a drier picture across many parts of england, into parts of england, wales, into northern ireland as we go into the afternoon. but cloudy and wet across eastern parts of scotland. some significant rainfall here. rainfall possible here. temperatures near normal for the time of year, highs around 14, possibly 15 celsius. as we look towards thursday, it's going to be quite an unsettled , wet day.

be quite an unsettled, wet day. we have a band of rain that will push north eastwards as push its way north eastwards as we the morning behind we go through the morning behind it. are it. then some hefty showers are quite notice some towards quite likely notice some towards the coast and perhaps in the south coast and perhaps in the south coast and perhaps in the far east as well. and it's going be blustery to going to be quite blustery to the theme continues as the unsettled theme continues as we go through friday into saturday. and temperatures likely to be near normal for the time of

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jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight, the british government is set to terminate contracts with 50 hotels for the housing of migrants as it currently costs you £3 billion a yean currently costs you £3 billion a year. and rising . but could the year. and rising. but could the tide be turning? well it seems the british aren't alone in the matter, as the french are set to implement their toughest crackdown on foreign criminals in regardless of in 30 years. regardless of whether it's a direct breach of the echr. i want the united kingdom formally to withdraw from jurisdiction of this from the jurisdiction of this court. and speaking of our friends in europe, the latest fissure has emerged from the israel—hamas conflict . while the israel—hamas conflict. while the british american governments british and american governments have strong stance in have taken a strong stance in support of an israeli counteroffensive, european officials, including the french prime minister and the lead eu foreign diplomat, have called prime minister and the lead eu forfceasefires. |at, have called prime minister and the lead eu forfceasefires. buthave called prime minister and the lead eu forfceasefires. but what:alled prime minister and the lead eu forfceasefires. but what would a for ceasefires. but what would a ceasefire achieve when genocide terrorists remain at large ? the terrorists remain at large? the former jihadi bride, shamima formerjihadi bride, shamima begum, the young girl who went off to join isis, is set to begin her legal battle for her citizenship in the court of appeal. perhaps going against

the of my fellow the grain of my fellow conservatives, i believe ms begum responsibility and begum is our responsibility and should be allowed back into britain to face trial in a bid to give the city of london a post brexit boost. banker bonus caps are set to be axed as of next week. the usual suspects, like the trade congress, like the trade union congress, have outrage on the have expressed outrage on the matter, but usually that's an indicator that it's the right policy. plus i should say it's been a busy day in westminster. by been a busy day in westminster. by day i'm a legislator, but by night i go by jacob reece. attenborough rescuing pigeons stuck bathroom walls of a stuck behind bathroom walls of a mock terrace house. mock georgian terrace house. >> well, here we are in the rees—mogg bathroom, just behind the wall where there's a hatch for the pipes to run . for the pipes to run. >> state of the nation starts now . so . now. so. i'll also be joined by a theatrical panel this evening, barrister and former tory mp