on the lewis oakley. tonight on the show, kiss starmer is in a little bit of trouble with his backbenchers and his shadow cabinet. guess what? over israel, gaza . what should he do israel, gaza. what should he do next? >> hums hummed . singer permits >> hums hummed. singer permits a mosque mauling. >> why britain's decline makes me want to move to dubai. >> why we need to fire britain's bigoted bobbies. >> and i'll be arguing that we should date people regardless of their political leanings. >> it's 7 pm. and this is the. saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. the best saturday night takeaway you could order. expect fiery debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of fun. tonight i'm joined by darren and benjamin , joined by darren and benjamin, as usual. but albie is away this weekend. the part timer. as usual. but albie is away this weekend. the part timer . so we weekend. the part timer. so we are joined by our very own ever versatile ben leo and this week we're letting him have a go at the old presenting thing, see if

he's kofi's any good and we also see the return of the formidable lewis oakley. yep. you know the drill. >> each host gets 60s to outline their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and eventually agree that benjamin is course , we want is wrong. and of course, we want to know your views on all the topics as get in touch by topics as well. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com and also don't miss your chance to flummox the five. we are two hours again this week, so get your questions in now for the end of the show. nothing off end of the show. nothing is off limits tory election limits from tory election prospects benjamin prospects to benjamin buttennorth's personal grooming habits. yuck though may both may be equally as disappoint ing. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with aaron armstrong . night news with aaron armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong. in the gb news newsroom. this breaking news just into us in the last few minutes. israel's minister minutes. israel's prime minister says next war of the next says the next war of the next stage of its war with hamas has

begun. benjamin netanyahu gave an address a few moments ago and he confirmed ground forces have entered northern gaza. what he has referred to the has referred to as the stronghold evil. well, the stronghold of evil. well, the enclave's been pounded with artillery fire and airstrikes since last night as israel launched its heaviest bombardment since the conflict began. civilian who've been told to move south for their own safety remain cut off as all communications are down. that means no new casualty figures have been released. we'll have more from benjamin netanyahu in our later news programs . our later news programs. meanwhile, waves of rockets have been fired from gaza towards southern israel throughout the day with sirens sounding in its biggest city, tel aviv . well, biggest city, tel aviv. well, these pictures show a series of missiles being intercepted by the iron dome defences . some, the iron dome defences. some, though, have landed, including in tel aviv and also in the city of ashkelon. no casualties have been reported . around 100,000

been reported. around 100,000 people have taken to the streets of london demanding an end to the bombing of gaza . two people the bombing of gaza. two people were arrested earlier following clashes with police near downing street. the met says an officer has been taken to hospital elsewhere for more than 200 people staged a sit in on the concourse of waterloo station . concourse of waterloo station. the met's warned officers will intervene if protesters are deemed to be supporting terrorism . former leadership terrorism. former leadership candidate for the snp ash regan has defected, joining the ranks of rival alba party. she's become alba's first msp and says her old party has lost its focus on independence. it's alba rivals the snp as a pro—independence party and was set up by former first minister alex salmond , a humza yousaf the alex salmond, a humza yousaf the snp leader played down the defection , saying it's no great defection, saying it's no great loss and he's not surprised . a loss and he's not surprised. a proposal to close rail ticket offices has resulted in the biggest ever response to a pubuc biggest ever response to a public consultation. the rmt

union says around 750,000 passengers have had their say out of an expected announcement on the future of ticket offices at train stations and the union's head, mick lynch, has warned the government against the closures. he says 98% of respondents are opposed to the controversial plan and it doesn't bode well for the weekend weather forecasts . our weekend weather forecasts. our forecasters are warning of further flooding to some areas of the country that are still reeling from the effects of storm babet. a yellow weather warnings are in place for the east coast of scotland, northern ireland and the south of england this weekend . heavy rain and this weekend. heavy rain and winds of up to 70 miles an hour will affect some parts of the country are already country that are already flooded. in flooded. shopping centre in hastings in east sussex was evacuated earlier because of that and some rail services have also been suspended . well, that also been suspended. well, that is it for the moment. i'll be back with more in about an hours back with more in about an hour's time. now it is over to

the . saturday five. thank you, aaron. >> it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can promise that you are in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. >> well, first up is back >> yeah, well, first up is back to you, emily, who is bursting to you, emily, who is bursting to talk about the mutiny in labour over israel, gaza. emily take it away. >> yes. so as a politician, keir starmer had gotten quite used to comfortably sitting on the fence. the journey towards power was going relatively smoothly. central tactic being revealing as little as possible so as to alienate the fewest number of voters. it appears this way of doing things is no longer going to cut it, though, as a labour civil war has erupted over starmer's apparent support for israel's siege on gaza . but it israel's siege on gaza. but it seems he's a little bit confused . let's have a look. >> siege is appropriate. cutting off power, cutting off water secure. >> i think that israel does have

that right. it is an ongoing situation. i was not saying that israel had the right to cut off water, food , food, fuel or water, food, food, fuel or medicine . so watching that medicine. so watching that again, it's hard to know what keir starmer actually thinks about the situation in israel, gaza , it's complicated, but if gaza, it's complicated, but if you make a statement, you should either stick by it or or explain at least why you're not lying now. >> so does he stick? this is the dilemma for him. does he stick with his current position that israel right to defend israel has a right to defend itself, maintain a siege, itself, to maintain a siege, even, and refrain from calling for ceasefire? does he give for a ceasefire? or does he give in growing mutiny within in to the growing mutiny within his party ranks and take a more overtly pro—palestinian line? his party ranks and take a more overpressure’alestinian line? his party ranks and take a more overpressure is estinian line? his party ranks and take a more overpressure is veryian line? his party ranks and take a more overpressure is very much e? the pressure is very much mounting on him . last week, mounting on him. last week, pro—palestinian demonstrators were captured, chanting labour party blood on your hands. outside the party's hq in london on thursday. trade union activists took the day off to blockade a uk weapons factory to protest the use of them in israel . more than 250 muslim

israel. more than 250 muslim labour councillors signed a pubuc labour councillors signed a public letter this week to the leadership demanding an immediate ceasefire in gaza . immediate ceasefire in gaza. nine labour councillors have resigned over starmer's stance and now labour has lost its majority of oxford city council and according to polling, the labour party is losing muslim votes by the minute. indeed, it's reported that a new party was registered with the electoral electoral commission less than a week after the hamas attacks, that being the party of islam. trip to the south islam. his pr trip to the south wales islamic centre turned into an absolute pr disaster , didn't an absolute pr disaster, didn't it? adding his woes, rallying it? adding to his woes, rallying more of the labour party, more of muslim vote and of the muslim vote and pro—palestine electorate against of the muslim vote and pro—andestine electorate against of the muslim vote and pro—andesticourse�*torate against of the muslim vote and pro—and esti course worrying ainst of the muslim vote and pro—and esti course worrying to st of the muslim vote and pro—andesti course worrying to a him and of course worrying to a lot of us was that in trying to show unity, what did he do? he actually exposed very real actually exposed the very real and dangerous divisions our and dangerous divisions in our society. you've got anna society. then you've got anna sannar, sadiq khan, andy burnham, seven labour shadow ministers , openly defying sir ministers, openly defying sir keir starmer in calling for a ceasefire. what is a ceasefire mean in practical terms ? it's mean in practical terms? it's rather unclear if israel stops its fire. can we expect hamas , a

its fire. can we expect hamas, a bloodthirsty jew hating islamist terror group, to do the same ? we terror group, to do the same? we all look on in horror at the bloodshed, the lives lost, the children caught up in this , all children caught up in this, all killed for no fault of their own. so what is keir going to do? i ask the panel tonight. darren, what do you make of keir starmer's stance and the pressure that there is on him now to change it? >> i mean, you are correct in saying that he's taken more positions than the kamasutra. you put like you didn't quite put it like that, that's the way i that, but that's the way i visualise think ultimately visualise it. i think ultimately i would say to people, if you look at what this man is saying right now , you had those two right now, you had those two clips in which he backed out. he was talking about what israel is doing in gaza to actually bring about the end of hamas and his position changing within its own. it hasn't been very long. right. that's changed within a week now. i would say. does he have the moral clarity to actually stand up and say, i

think those arguing and let's be absolutely frank here, some people were all too fast to come out in support of what hamas did in israel on october 7th. he had the clarity then to say the moral clarity, to say , look, i moral clarity, to say, look, i do not support the people who are supportive of what hamas did in israel. he stood resolutely against it. now he's backtrack on that. and i think that is cowardice and it doesn't strike me as the kind of leadership ship that we need to see in a country like ours. let's not forget , in country like ours. let's not forget, in parliament this week , forget, in parliament this week, they put up a shield in the memory of sir david amess an mp that was murdered at the hands of an islamist. i'm afraid that there are far too many who are all too afraid to actually call out those who have repugnant views in certain communities. yeah benjamin, it looks like keir starmer is in a bit of a tricky situation. >> what should he do in this position ? really, he's got huge position? really, he's got huge

numbers of councillors all rallying against him after he had this pr disaster at this islamic centre in south wales. he has had thousands, if not millions of people telling him that he is wrong, that they won't support the labour party with this stance . what is he with this stance. what is he supposed to do now ? can we supposed to do now? can we believe what he says if he then changes his mind? >> i mean, look, i think claims of sort fracture in the of sort of fracture in the labour this are labour party on this are slightly overblown. so odd slightly overblown. so 20 odd councillors last number i councillors at the last number i saw have quit the party over it. but there are 6500 labour councillors in the country. so that's a tiny number. and if you cast your back to the iraq cast your minds back to the iraq war, which obviously a great majority of the muslim community felt extremely unhappy about a labour government doing that, they ovennhelmingly they still ovennhelmingly voted labour with exceptions of the oona king george galloway case. now the party of islam that you mentioned, i read there, submission to the electoral commission. completely commission. it's completely illiterate. so i don't think there's them being there's any danger of them being a it made no a serious party. it made no sense okay but

sense whatsoever. okay but i think that's good to know. i think that's good to know. i think george galloway is the real to keir starmer that real danger to keir starmer that cockroach of a politician who just constantly comes back and we know he is very effective at whipping up racial tensions in the muslim community and capital rising on labour on these issues. i wouldn't be surprised if he comes back into the fray soon. ultimately i think soon. but ultimately i think keir deserves respect keir starmer deserves respect for the reasons that darren started outline because he started to outline because he had immediate clarity it had that immediate clarity on it and he finds himself between a rock and a hard place on this because he has recover from because he has to recover from corbyn's repub antisemitism and has to really go out of his way to prove that he's changed. and by the i always point this by the way, i always point this out. keir starmer is married to an observant jew and his two kids go to synagogue. >> benjamin but he ben he >> benjamin but he came. ben he came pressure, didn't he? came under pressure, didn't he? and to water down and then he chose to water down what saying. went from what he was saying. he went from saying siege absolutely saying a siege is absolutely fine. israel's fine. as part of israel's defence. he said, no, it's defence. then he said, no, it's not. so which is it? he's not. so which one is it? he's called? quite important, isn't it? >> of course. and he's called sir flip flop for a reason.

that's unflattering nickname. no one calls him that. no, >> no one calls him that. no, definitely not. >> but look, he. i agree with you. enough, benjamin, you. funnily enough, benjamin, he down he cannot afford to back down and as pretty and especially as he's pretty much for much got an open goal for government next year. let's all be frank. he can't do is be frank. what he can't do is back down now, look weak and head into the olympics next yean head into the olympics next year, living up to year, looking well, living up to his name, sir. flip flop. what he should have done is done a joe the election joe biden during the election shoved himself in his basement and he needed to and not come out. he needed to condemn, condemn for condemn, condemn hamas for the atrocities. october the atrocities. in october the seventh. support israel and not waver in the face of pressure. >> but so much of his support. louis is pro—palestinian as well. >> but this is the thing i think he did the right thing. he came out was very clear at the beginning, but the situation is changing and he's seeing own changing and he's seeing his own mps the people in mps and, you know, the people in the party are divided the labour party are divided on this, are some people in the this, as are some people in the country. so he has got to find this way of under standing all the of view and really the points of view and really bringing it together. so kind bringing it together. so i kind of feel like this is just a natural phase. he's got go natural phase. he's got to go through becomes a leader through as he becomes a leader

of country . through as he becomes a leader of country. he's through as he becomes a leader of country . he's he's got to of a country. he's he's got to find a way to bring these sides together. he's not going to do it by a hard line that it by having a hard line that he's going then listen to he's not going to then listen to the i know the other people. and i know it sounds flip you're saying sounds flip flop. you're saying i think facts have changed. i think the facts have changed. >> therefore, his position >> so therefore, his position has was has changed, although it was on the very same policy. i think the very same policy. so i think there is natural evolution. the very same policy. so i think theand natural evolution. the very same policy. so i think theand rpeopleevolution. the very same policy. so i think theand rpeopleevollabout this >> and as people talk about this more there are more as well, there are differing we've seen differing views as we've seen protests . he's he just be protests. he's he can't just be in box . in a blind box. >> the facts haven't changed. the the matter is that the fact of the matter is that labour mps are terrified labour party mps are terrified of deselect acted. of being deselect acted. >> that's let's see how it gets from time will tell next year. so up next, it's benjamin so look up next, it's benjamin who's hope the who's lost all hope with the police. mr buttennorth, over to you . you. >> have lost faith in the >> yes, i have lost faith in the police. britain's police aren't just useless . they're bigots, just useless. they're bigots, too. we had a story today that after a series of horrific exposes of sex attacker cops , we exposes of sex attacker cops, we had one of two police officers who many would conclude have probably done something racist. those officers, jonathan campbell and sam franks, pulled

over two athletes and their baby who were black and said that they could smell cannabis in the car and conducted a very intrusive stop and search. except that video footage later showed that they'd made it up. they didn't have cannabis. they didn't smell of cannabis. there was no reason to search the car. and they've been sacked because of what it was concluded was racist behaviour , racist racist behaviour, racist profiling . now good that they've profiling. now good that they've been sacked, but i was shocked when i looked up the scale of officers among britain's police who were accused of things like being racism. there are currently 1000 police officers who are either suspended or are on limited duties because of allegations. that's 1 in 34. that's insane . can you imagine a that's insane. can you imagine a workplace where 1 in 34 people are suspended because they can't do their job or are accused of something serious? yes, we've got a real problem . when you've got a real problem. when you've got a real problem. when you've got officers is

got more police officers is accused of crimes than arresting people for them . and i think we people for them. and i think we need to rip up our police service in this country . and we service in this country. and we need to kick the bigots out, because too often these people are getting away with terrible behaviour that nobody else would get away with. and i think the police should be better than that. so time sack that. so it's time to sack the bigots. speaking of bigots, bigots. now speaking of bigots, darren, what do you think ? darren, what do you think? >> well, i've got one question for you. if you were a member of his majesty's police and you saw someone speed away with blacked out windows after there had been crime in the area and they refused to stop for a police car , you being the police officer would you not arrest that person ? >>i ? >> i mean it all depends on the circumstance that person. >> benjamin, probably. >> benjamin, probably. >> well, you can't just arrest someone for driving away from a police car . police car. >> yes, you can. >> yes, you can. >> no, of course you can't arrest someone for driving away from a police. absolutely can. >> if you do not obey the

instruction of an officer of the law, you are breaking law. law, you are breaking the law. >> there are lot of >> i think there are a lot of police in this country who are behaving a that's behaving in a way that's unacceptable. have the unacceptable. you have the louise report right, that louise casey report right, that looked these problems looked in to what these problems were that they were, and she found that they were, and she found that they were institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic and found endless examples . isles and i endless examples. isles and i can't stand the hard right people like you who will go, oh, it's just woke nonsense . stop it's just woke nonsense. stop moaning about it. actually, when police are pursuing people because of their own prejudices , because of their own prejudices, they're not following serious crimes . crimes. >> look, i think ultimately what's going to happen in this country if people like benjamin get own way, is that the get their own way, is that the police will be so paralysed with fear being accused fear out of being accused of things racism, being things like racism, out of being accused of homophobia, transphobia , every watchword transphobia, every watchword that benjamin has just mentioned, that they won't arrest people walk. britain is going to be a woke joke. thanks to people like benjamin emily. >> lots of these stories have some of them horrific involving the behaviour of officers with women. how do you feel about the

met police do you feel safe if you were alone at night, would you were alone at night, would you officer ? you go to an officer? >> yes, absolutely. i would go to an officer. whether he would actually manage do actually help me or manage to do anything, police anything, i don't know. police officers me the officers have helped me in the past they very nice. past and they were very nice. others been when others have been useless when it comes to crimes like robbery and such things. i think it's difficult. reports have shown that there are institutional biases or examples of racism , biases or examples of racism, examples of sexism, misogyny , examples of sexism, misogyny, whatever. right. i have a problem. actually. separate from that with a lot of police being far too soft touch when it comes to policing. if you take the recent protests on our streets, i don't think they came down hard enough on those who were chanting things like jihad they've ignored. today i saw the police ignore people throwing those smoke bomb things and climbing up traffic lights. they were just standing and watching. i thought and perhaps i'm wrong, i thought and perhaps i'm wrong, i thought and perhaps i'm wrong, i thought that was a crime to do that, but perhaps not when it comes to a protest. i think that the i think darren's

the police i think darren's right the police are right that the police are worried about the fact that they're always caught on camera. social media is really disrupting the way that police can actually do their jobs. if you've got cameras in your face while you're trying to arrest someone who you think has committed a crime or seen commit a crime and you're worried about, you know, being accused of whatnot, because the perpetrator happens to be black or asian or a woman, then they can't really do their job very well. so i think maybe they should being racist and it should stop being racist and it might problem. might solve the problem. >> that i the >> this case that i the accusations, though, can't there this case these two officers have because was have been sacked because it was determined only they determined the only reason they made a smell cannabis was made up a smell of cannabis was clearly because they were black. >> i'm talking broadly >> i'm talking more broadly about are in a about how the police are in a very . and very difficult situation. and i think a lot of them perhaps are under qualified. >> they're also widely dismissed, affected in this country. i can't i can't think of across of any police force across europe are in europe where our police are in comparison, such a walking, talking comparison, such a walking, talkin the macarena comparison, such a walking, talkinthe macarena at comparison, such a walking,

talkin the macarena at pride or doing the macarena at pride or painting their in rainbow painting their cars in rainbow flags or or having national pronoun , as emily pronoun day, they're, as emily said, protest today, said, going to protest today, letting run riot letting calls forjihad run riot in the street. and yet we've got the wokeist police force in europe and also and also the institutions racist, sexist and homophobic . homophobic. >> i'd rather them doing the macarena than the kind of behaviour you see from people like wayne couzens at least then they're engaging the they're engaging with the community to community as they're meant to make about you talk make you talk about you talk about officers being investigated. >> is that said? yes. investigated. >> how lat said? yes. investigated. >> how many said? yes. investigated. >> how many areiid? yes. investigated. >> how many are there 3s. investigated. >> how many are there in so how many kids are there in the uk? >> this was the met and >> well, this was in the met and that was 34,000, of which 1000 are limited duties or suspended. >> i think >> well, i'm pro police. i think in fact, need in actual fact, we need to respect police more, respect our police more, but they need to they need earn they need to they need to earn that doing their job. that respect by doing their job. >> seriously think they're too woke. endless . oh, woke. when you see endless. oh, hang on. this kind of hang on, hang on. this kind of unexpected. >> that benjamin is >> the case that benjamin is actually talking about. i think it's quite important that you give your opinion on that particular doing particular case. they were doing 32mph a 20mph zone. that is 32mph in a 20mph zone. that is illegal. should and they sped off. do the police have a right?

of course they should to arrest. >> we live in san >> we don't live in san francisco. is a ridiculous francisco. there is a ridiculous hill die on. hill to die on. >> sacked the officers, >> they've sacked the officers, for sake. for god's sake. >> they've the officers. >> they've sacked the officers. yes. actually, think this yes. and actually, i think this is chilling is going to have a chilling effect like the one effect on crimes like the one that against you effect on crimes like the one that actually against you effect on crimes like the one that actually the against you effect on crimes like the one that actually the police1st you effect on crimes like the one that actually the police doingl being actually the police doing something about it because they're too afraid of being accused racist by people like accused of racist by people like you for our safety, our security, that we trust the police and that the police also feel empowered to enforce the law. >> we need them to enforce the law. othennise we'll all be victims of many, many more crimes. that does not excuse racist cases where the police have gone over the overboard and have gone over the overboard and have acted in a in a nasty racist whatever way or sexist way. of course not. and there will be bad apples within the police. but i think fundamentally they probably are too soft touch in some. >> lewis would you would you back a national inquiry into overhauling the police, not just the benjamin the bigotry that benjamin talks about, from point about, but also, from my point of wokeness and the, of view, the wokeness and the, you the complete lack of you know, the complete lack of respect that people have got for

them. >> well, no, think dealing >> well, no, i think the dealing with is with the racism stuff is probably important than the probably more important than the wokeness the wokeness stuff, because the reason are making an reason the police are making an effort to be seen to be embracing the lgbt community is because were because for so long they were after you know, there's after us. so you know, there's a reason these things are being done. agree with done. i obviously agree with benjamin you know , the benjamin about, you know, the bad but i do it bad behaviour, but i do think it is it is bad apples, but i think that, you know, we're talking about here. we about police officers here. we probably to be talking probably need to be talking about how are probably need to be talking about people how are probably need to be talking about people not how are probably need to be talking about people not being how are probably need to be talking about people not being vettedrre these people not being vetted out? being out? how are they not being caught? guess on the flip caught? and i guess on the flip of as well, is like who of that as well, is like who would want be a police would want to be a police officer in the modern officer in in in the modern britain? they britain? well, they they they fence of good people off fence a lot of good people off because require degrees because they now require degrees to and that just to become pcs and that just i don't can i just don't understand. can i just quickly i quickly quickly can i just quickly sort of attention another of draw attention that another point trying to point i was really trying to make, which was that when you get found get people who've been found to have police have done misconduct, police officers, so rarely are they actually sacked. >> had port, a guy >> you had stephen port, a guy that killed , raped and killed that killed, raped and killed four gay men was four gay men and it was concluded that the fourth murder could stopped had could have been stopped had police more attention. police paid more attention. there were officers

there were nine officers disciplined . all of them had disciplined. all of them had been promoted in the years since it happened. that's an institution and i do see this in all sorts institutions all sorts of institutions and organisations . and but i think organisations. and but i think we should expect better of the police. >> we absolutely we absolutely should. let us know what you think at home. do you agree with benjamin buttennorth that the police racist benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots racist benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots and racist benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots and it racist benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots and it all racist benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots and it all needst benjamin buttennorth that the polinbigots and it all needs to and bigots and it all needs to be shaken entirely ? or do you be shaken up entirely? or do you think they be think perhaps they need to be a bit tougher? still to come tonight, from darren bit tougher? still to come tonigelon from darren bit tougher? still to come tonigelon hasim darren bit tougher? still to come tonigelon has called 'en why elon musk has called humza yousaf why ben yousaf a blatant racist. why ben leo is packing his bags for the middle east and lewis thinks politics is ruining the dating scene. you're with the saturday five live on .

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political party? well we'll answer that later. i think in flummox. the five will save that one for later. says benjamin, suggests starmer is tough on anti —jewish suggests starmer is tough on anti—jewish members of his party, but he can't forget starmer support supported corbyn. yes, that's very true. thanks for reminding us and one more, tracy says. is buttennorth serious police bigots. they're the soft touch, lefty the most woke soft touch, lefty biased force in the world. well, there you go. two different, very different views. but now it's time for our next debate . it's time for our next debate. it's time for darren's take on elon musk's recent escapades on twitter. take it away, darren. yes >> now i want to show you this tweet out from elon musk in which he says what humza yousaf had said in the chamber a few years ago now, but he was talking about white people in position of power or influence in scotland under his brief as he was justice minister at the time. i think we've got that tweet to show you. yeah, there it is right now . it was an

it is right now. it was an account tweeted out this video of humza yousaf basically using the word white with such venom and vitriol that you start to wonder what on earth does he have against people with white skin colour to the extent where elon musk, who of course, is the now the owner of twitter now x and he says what a blatant racist. and do you know what? i couldn't agree more now humza useless. yousef sorry. i beg your pardon. i think actually continues to show that he does have a form of prejudice because i would love to see him sit down with lads from council estates in parts of glasgow tenements or council flats, whatever it might be. sit down with these white people and say to them, you are inherently privileged because of the colour of your skin . perhaps the colour of your skin. perhaps their parents are hooked on drugs, maybe alcohol , maybe they drugs, maybe alcohol, maybe they didn't read school being able to

read and write as well as other kids throughout the rest of the united kingdom, could. and he has gall to turn around and has the gall to turn around and say that your skin colour means that you are inherently privileged in some way or that your whiteness is a problem that needs to be curtailed . i think needs to be curtailed. i think it's a disgrace and any politician doing it should be called out for doing so because can you imagine ? right? can you can you imagine? right? can you imagine if kemi badenoch, who is now trade secretary, if she stood up in the house of commons and she said , look, i think and she said, look, i think there are far too many black people, perhaps in positions of power, do you think she would get away with that? do you think they would be like, oh, okay, yeah, that's perfectly sensible. that makes sense. why not? that's to that's perfectly acceptable to say. think the benjamin say. do you think the benjamin buttennorth's of the world would be clapping door and be clapping like a door and seals? don't think they seals? i don't think they absolutely would. so you've got to ask yourself at a time when humza yousaf is facing defections from the snp, i think

there's going to be a widespread defection away from his party. it's divisive. he belittles people. he is a race baiter and i think ultimately he's going to be punished in the polls for saying all of this nonsense . saying all of this nonsense. since emily carver humza yousaf are you a fan as well? >> i mean , clearly at the moment >> i mean, clearly at the moment he's having trouble because i believe he has family in gaza . believe he has family in gaza. so my heart goes out to him in that respect because he's obviously worrying about his family. but back to his politics, he is absolutely dreadful. you know, people have analysed his policies and the way he acted as justice minister and found him to be rather wanting in terms of talent and ability and application . nye ability and application. nye bevani ability and application. nye bevan i can't believe you know, this is the, you know, he's been overpromoted to the max. it's quite astonishing . but that quite astonishing. but that speech you were referring to that he gave is actually shocking . and it gets shared shocking. and it gets shared around social media quite a lot

when he refers, he refers to all the positions within the government, doesn't he, and says, why it like he's fuming at the fact that there are white people in positions of power. why shouldn't there be? i mean, last time i checked, shouldn't there yousaf is there be also, humza yousaf is now of scotland now first minister of scotland and we've got rishi sunak as the prime minister of the united kingdom . so i'm not exactly sure kingdom. so i'm not exactly sure what he's so bothered about exactly. >> mean, benjamin says the >> i mean, benjamin says the police woke. was police force are woke. he was justice goodness justice minister, for goodness sake. that the police sake. the idea that the police force aren't woke is absolutely bizarre. but ben, i want to ask you, remember when he tripped over on a scooter? well, that was quite amusing to remove the video. yes. yes. do remember that. >> he's called humza. useless for a reason. >> i want ask, though, do you >> i want to ask, though, do you actually think that scotland are going to turn around and say, look, enough of the look, we've had enough of the snp, since two snp, it's been since two thousand seven, they've been snp, it's been since two thngovernmentseven, they've been snp, it's been since two thngovernment .lven, they've been snp, it's been since two thngovernment . have :hey've been snp, it's been since two thngovernment . have they 'e been snp, it's been since two thngovernment . have they haden in government. have they had their day? >> well, look at scotland's record. they've got the worst >> well, look at scotland's record death've got the worst >> well, look at scotland's record death rate ot the worst >> well, look at scotland's record death rate in the worst >> well, look at scotland's record death rate in europe. st drugs death rate in europe. the attainment catastrophic. attainment gap is catastrophic. it's ever been. it's bigger than it's ever been. they're all fronts. they're failing on all fronts.

their is crumbling. and their nhs is crumbling. and darren, do you know or benjamin, do know what the population do you know what the population of is in scotland? of white people is in scotland? >> like 96, 96. >> it's like 96, 96. >> it's like 96, 96. >> so can you imagine humza yousaf is of pakistani origin. could you imagine to going pakistan, standing up in their parliament and saying home affairs minister, pakistani environment minister, pakistani deputy deputy pm pakistani of course they're going to be pakistani because it's going to be confusing ethnicity and nationality. >> they're all scottish. the question is their race. they'd all be pakistani in pakistan . on all be pakistani in pakistan. on the question would be their race. >> but why do they have to be of a certain colour? but the point is, not people is, should we not judge people on their on their skills and there's no bigger race baiter than darren. >> exactly what his >> and that's exactly what his monologue it was monologue was. no, it was appalling it's not fair. appalling because it's not fair. what you understand is what you don't understand is that it's saying that that it's not saying that a white person has a privileged life to say that they have a privilege over someone who is black or from some other ethnic minority. it's saying that if

those two people were born into a council estate with drug addicted parents or something like the scenario you describe, the kid is going to have the black kid is going to have even chances and greater even fewer chances and greater prejudice and barriers facing white working class white are the most, most, most underprivileged in country. underprivileged in this country. >> black and ethnic minority >> for black and ethnic minority kids to tell them that whatever they they're not going to be they do, they're not going to be treated same way as treated in the same way as a white because doesn't white person because it doesn't in statistics and actually in the statistics and actually looking at the facts, that does not hold up asian kids are doing extremely well. black african kids are doing extremely well. chinese are doing extremely well. jewish kids doing extremely well. white working class ones that are class kids are the ones that are failing at the bottom of the pile the moment. pile at the moment. unfortunately, least unfortunately, at least when it comes education and comes to education and university, my university, they you miss my point, emily. university, they you miss my poiino emily. university, they you miss my poiino ,nily. university, they you miss my poiino , because i just don't >> no, because i just don't agree with it . no, they face agree with it. no, they face barriers because because of their irrespective of the their race, irrespective of the other things. you an other things. let me give you an example . example. >> a barrier when they >> may face a barrier when they go a that is trying to go for a job that is trying to choose ethnic minority candidates first or prioritising them. >> but that's trying to remove

barriers. it's not let me let me give you a better let me give you a white working class kids. >> so answer that question that emily put to you. what's the why is it why is it then that you're able to turn around and say, well, this is all a nonsense? because if you're if you're born black in britain in a disadvantage community, you're not to do very well in not likely to do very well in life. perhaps or in school. but actually, the stats don't bear that out. the stats say that compared to white working class kids, kids are doing all right if they come from ethnic. >> first of all, i said some ethnic minorities because among ethnic minorities because among ethnic minorities because among ethnic minorities there are people way indians people that way excel indians being them. right. being prime among them. right. they have some of the they they have some of the highest incomes most highest average incomes and most successful salaries and careers. but can i just give you an example, which is it's not the rhetoric for modern britain. >> modern britain you >> modern britain isn't, as you are people have are talking people have opportunities of opportunities regardless of their race. >> it's also a can mentality some of look anyway. some of look at anyway. >> we've got to move on, but we could 1—1 could talk about that 1—1 evening. still why ben evening. still ahead, why ben leo is considering abandoning

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us why one should let us why no one should let politics get the way of their politics get in the way of their love set, go! love life. ready set, go! >> week , a new dating >> lewis this week, a new dating survey found that extremism isn't sexy and it was bad news for trump supporters and communists alike. no one wants their date coming to an early end because someone is going to run to off the latest protest and parents are quite worried, too worried that their children might end up with someone of a different political view to them. but what we define as extremism is changing. so 55% say that listening to the joe rogan podcast would mean that you're extreme and 41% say that being into astrology, similarly extreme would like to remind those people that joe rogan's podcast is the most popular podcast is the most popular podcast in our country, and every newspaper in our country also has a horoscope section . also has a horoscope section. now, i do agree that having a shared outlook on the world is probably good for cohesion in a relationship , but the fact that relationship, but the fact that people can't find people that 100% agree with all of their

political views is crippling. the dating scene. recently, one liberal tiktoker made headlines liberal ti ktoker made headlines for liberal tiktoker made headlines for moaning that the only masculine and chivalrous men she could find were conservative ones. i believe difference can be sexy and i do think that passionate debates can turn into passionate debates can turn into passion in the bedrooms. all right. so stop. let's stop ruling people out for their political beliefs. so what if they want to rejoin the eu? so what if they're dating their voting record is not what you would have voted yourself up. and maybe by dating people that think differently, we can all learn to come together to, so to speak. >> oh, ben, would you turn someone down? >> because they wanted to rejoin the eu ? the eu? >> i don't think so. on the surface. but look, my wider point is that politics is so tribal these days and so toxic . tribal these days and so toxic. i think we need to be a bit more tolerant about other people's opinions. >> one thing over if your wife says started waxing lyrical about corbyn, you'd end

about jeremy corbyn, you'd end it in. >> what i was going to say is, i particularly like it that my missus doesn't have any interest at all in actually most most things that i have an interest in. doesn't like in. but she doesn't like politics. doesn't like politics. she doesn't even like doesn't my hobbies. doesn't like my hobbies. she likes in politics. likes me. i'll work in politics. i'm the news. the i'm working around the news. the last i want go home. last thing i want is to go home. and for her to start talking to last thing i want is to go home. andabouter to start talking to last thing i want is to go home. andabouter to agreetalking to last thing i want is to go home. andabouter to agree with|g to last thing i want is to go home. andabouter to agree with the: me about you agree with the poll? . i agree. poll? i agree. i agree. >> different. very >> very different. very different. household. different. in my household. darren, what's it like being a right gay? right wing and gay? >> i mean, to be honest >> well, i mean, to be honest with you, beggars can't be choosers. >> in my case. so would go out >> in my case. so i would go out with communist, probably with a communist, probably me. and you know i did? date and do you know what i did? date someone a remainer back , someone who was a remainer back, voted jeremy corbyn, and voted for jeremy corbyn, and that lasted three months. so >> well, the three months. >> well, the three months. >> but can i ask, can i just. was that awkward at any point? was that awkward at any point? was it difficult when you really disagreed? did they call you a bigot during rounds? >> i quite enjoyed it, to be honest. >> not in a not in the way that lewis suggests, but in a in a sort of you . have your your

sort of you. have your your narrative challenged a bit. i guess i don't mind actually that can be sexy as well, right? yeah, absolutely. >> as long as it's not really tribal. >> like if the person feels mortally wounds and because you share opinion , then share a different opinion, then then obviously it's not going to work. have to be open work. they have to be open minded able actually minded and able to actually accept it. other forms of opinion, that's the extreme, i think extremity of it. >> i think for me it's values. it's not whether you want a tax rate at 20 or 30% or whatever. it's about general, you know, general outlook on the world, what you value. i think that's the most important thing for some people that will involve politics, for others, because you get the kind of people i think the problem is also as a right winger, i do find that maybe this generalisation , maybe this is a generalisation, but some people on the left, for example, dating apps, i know what you're to say. what you're going to say. >> they tory or no tory. >> yes. i can't imagine any one of the conservative persuasion putting no labour their by. putting no labour in their by. >> and let's not forget the t shirts that benjamin's worn in the past.

>> never kissed a toryt the past. >> never kissed a tory t shirts. well, good luck getting want to kiss you, benjamin? >> i've never kissed a tory. >> i've never kissed a tory. >> i've never kissed a tory. >> i've kissed quite a lot of tories to be, completely honest. >> but you know, and that's why i agree with you. >> i thought i'd be like, yeah, i don't what their politics i don't mind what their politics are. then said, are. and then you said, oh, people that listen to the joe rogan which i consider rogan podcast, which i consider to be sort of practically conspiratorial, think that conspiratorial, i think that would are you would stop me not what are you talking i think that talking about? i think that would them would stop me dating them if they . and also, by they were obsessed. and also, by they were obsessed. and also, by the way, don't i would the way, i don't think i would want date communist want to date a communist either. people sort of have people that are sort of have such views who are so such extreme views who are so possessed their sorry possessed by their own sorry saying rogan saying joe rogan is conspiratorial as extreme. >> what a load of rubbish. >> what a load of rubbish. >> so there's anyone >> so there's hardly anyone you can if joe has can date. if joe rogan has got the popular podcast in the uk. >> well, i think it might be the most in the world. most listened to in the world. >> i don't know about the uk, but mean, but look, do you know i mean, the nature of doing a job like this is quite strange because i spend time spend a lot of my time surrounded by people that have the views and love it. >> it. w it. m- it. >> some them i quite like >> and some of them i quite like not you guys, some of them. not you guys, but some of them. and so, well, louis

yeah. >> louis exactly. i like louis and so, but think and so, but i think that actually people are more actually when people are more obsessed with their views, then compromise and listening to the other it's other person, that's when it's a problem. >> no wants someone banging >> no one wants someone banging on anyway. on about politics 24/7 anyway. still upping still ahead, ben's upping sticks and moving to wait for it. the middle east. you're with the saturday five live on

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we're live from. nine >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thanks for your emails about tonight's topics . emails about tonight's topics. helen says political love is a conversation that i've had many times with my friends . i'd love times with my friends. i'd love to be a fly on the wall in the christie's carver household . christie's or carver household. interesting, cam says. i agree with louis. politics doesn't matter where i've dated a socialist before as a right winger. and the only i winger. and the only problem i had with her was that she had another she another seven boyfriends. so she didn't need another one. not very conservative and one more from christine. if i was a man, i'd date in a heartbeat. i'd date you in a heartbeat. darren i love your views. we would get on great. >> well, christine , >> well, look, christine, desperate times. >> i'm on the turn. >> i'm on the turn. >> good stuff. now it's time for our next debate. >> it is last, but by no means least it is you. ben leo. ben seems to think britain is beyond repair. take it away . repair. take it away. >> okay. now, events of the last couple of weeks have really got me thinking about the kind of country i want to live in and where i want raise family. country i want to live in and where would raise family. country i want to live in and where would i raise family. country i want to live in and where would i havee family. country i want to live in and where would i have thoughtnily. country i want to live in and where would i have thought that never would i have thought that those share this land with

those i share this land with would support the kidnap, torture and murder fellow torture and murder of fellow human beings , let alone brazenly human beings, let alone brazenly celebrate such depravity on the streets of this country . the streets of this country. the nafion streets of this country. the nation i once proudly called home has downhill fast from home has gone downhill fast from uncontrolled mass migration and the highest tax burden in decades to our imploding health service and low grade education. and look, i'll be honest. i want to be wrong, but it feels like britain is slowly losing its soul. britain is slowly losing its soul . so tonight i challenge my soul. so tonight i challenge my fellow panellists to give me three good reasons why i shouldn't ditch the uk for, say, the likes of, i don't know, dubal the likes of, i don't know, dubai, where the sun always shines. tax doesn't exist . a shines. tax doesn't exist. a zero tolerance approach to crime means the streets are safe from scumbags and authorities know what it means to have conservative values . so look, conservative values. so look, with a labour government all but guaranteed next year, i fear britain has become completely unsafe , manageable from its unsafe, manageable from its death spiral and for the time being, at least that remains true. so emily carver , three true. so emily carver, three good reasons please. why i should be staying in the uk and

not running away to dubai. well you shouldn't be going you certainly shouldn't be going to would be absolutely >> that would be absolutely ridiculous , because what have ridiculous, because what have you got in common with dubai ? you got in common with dubai? you know britain. >> i love low tax. i love the sun. >> fantastic country. we've got a rich culture and history that you belong to. why would you want to? >> that's precisely my point. >> that's precisely my point. >> i fear we're our culture. our national identity is being eroded away . eroded away. >> if you leave, if everyone just away because they just runs away because they don't the direction don't like the direction it's going then just going in, then you're just giving up this beautiful, giving up on this beautiful, amazing can't just amazing country. you can't just do that. it's selfish. and we're going to shackle you here so you don't your bags and go don't pack your bags and go off. i understand why is this i understand why there is this temptation, because of temptation, not least because of the tax regime and the very strict approach to, strict no nonsense approach to, let's say, crime . but no, it's let's say, crime. but no, it's vacuous compared to britain. darren, do you do you think we're unsalvageable? >> we past the point of no return, especially early, by the way, as labour are guaranteed. >> well, ben, i've just discovered that you want to lock up so i'm not sure i up the gays so i'm not sure i should sit here for much longer .

should sit here for much longer. i don't. i don't. but the. i don't. guv , you were don't. oh, honest, guv, you were upset the scenes that upset about the scenes that we've seen on the streets of britain. >> agree. i would concur >> i would agree. i would concur with what with those views. but what i would say to you very gently is that you think the views are that if you think the views are going to different dubai, going to be different in dubai, you're in for a rude awakening. no the difference here we no but the difference is here we tolerate diversity. >> tolerate inclusion, we >> we tolerate inclusion, we promote inclusion. everyone ideas are welcome. yet from my point of view, in last point of view, in the last couple i feel like couple of years, i feel like britain, one of britain, despite being one of the , open and the most diverse, open and welcoming countries in the world, and to all races, all ethnicities religions, ethnicities and religions, we get trodden on and we get taken advantage you go to dubai advantage of. if you go to dubai , they have strict laws. i don't agree laws, by the agree with the lgbt laws, by the way. let me just make that clear. you go there and you clear. but you go there and you know are and you know what the laws are and you respect you respect the respect them. you respect the traditions laws of traditions and the laws of the country, is what people country, which is what people don't country, which is what people dor but look at the tradition. >> but look at the tradition. ben tradition of this ben the tradition of this country, of this country, the history of this country, the history of this country, generations country, the generations that were ours, much were selfless before ours, much before ours , who actually gave before ours, who actually gave up their lives for that senator that's desecrated by the

that's been desecrated by the people that and what they people that and what would they be looking back? be saying now looking back? well, be saying, well, they would be saying, i gave my life in some cases so that you idiots could run around on the streets doing what you're doing, calling be doing, calling for hamas to be given sanctuary or something or whatever it is that they're actually calling for. but i think actually you would do those disservice to those people a disservice to turn now and give up on turn around now and give up on britain. i'm not willing to do that. >> i'm actually maybe a little bit more with you, but not for the reasons. but all the the same reasons. but all the young i speak to nowadays young people i speak to nowadays are kind of like what is the point? what the point point? like, what is the point of to going uni of getting a degree of getting way up in a degree of getting my way up in a career money, like half career when my money, like half of my rent, the of it is going on my rent, the other on bills know i'm other on bills that you know i'm seeing to a lot young people seeing to a lot of young people that just kind of dismayed that are just kind of dismayed more the money and just more on the money side and just the prospects owning a home. we're tricky situation we're in a tricky situation at the past generations the moment, but past generations have many more have gone through many more obstacles obstacles . obstacles and bigger obstacles. >> absolutely, i would say. and we real years ago . we had real poverty years ago. and people of course, there is

poverty still in this country, but not on the scale it was decades ago . and in the last decades ago. and in the last century, we didn't have war on our doorstep . and, you know, our doorstep. and, you know, i think things will get better. i am optimistic. >> i hope things will get better. but try telling that to a 24 year old. that's like i just don't really see what my future even just future could even be. just renting rest of my life, renting for the rest of my life, which costs. >> benjamin, are you going to book to in the book a ticket to dubai in the coming ben, i'll give you >> well, ben, i'll give you three reasons to leave rather than stay. look as a selfless man, for the for man, i'll pay for the ticket for you dubai myself. you to. to head to dubai myself. there's quite ironic there's something quite ironic about this that. that people like the militant, like you are on the militant, right? you often go on about how we've had too many immigrants into and we've have into this country and we've have we not we've say we've we not we've you say we've supposedly imported cultures that consequences that are having consequences like some of the stuff we've seen on the israel—gaza protests. you want to go protests. so what you want to go to dubai, where that is the mainstream opinion, where they literally have sharia law and no elections. i mean, it makes no sense whatsoever. >> the uae came out and strongly

condemned hamas's attacks on israel and supported israel. >> i bet they did. >> i bet they did. >> well, they got a little bit of money flowing in the other direction. okay. >> you're naive. an >> you're very naive. an economic perspective. economic economic perspective. >> we've got uncontrolled migration. young people, as migration. no young people, as louis said, aren't going to buy houses there's no houses anymore. there's no chance getting the chance of them getting on the housing wouldn't chance of them getting on the housilook, wouldn't chance of them getting on the housilook, maybe wouldn't chance of them getting on the housilook, maybe not/ouldn't chance of them getting on the housilook, maybe not justin't chance of them getting on the housilook, maybe not just to: you? look, maybe not just to dubal you? look, maybe not just to dubai. wouldn't to dubai. why wouldn't you look to eastern poland, eastern europe, poland, anywhere? is set to richer >> poland is set to be richer than britain head by 2030 than britain per head by 2030 because of the brexit. >> there we go. that's my point. not not because of brexit. can i just say quickly, because i say very quickly, went to dubai very quickly, i went to dubai earlier and wasn't earlier this year and i wasn't really i wanted really on my list, but i wanted to pop in to see some friends and sheikh. and it was the sheikh. >> i really impressed by it >> i was really impressed by it because there was buildings >> i was really impressed by it becau upthere was buildings >> i was really impressed by it becau up everywhereiildings >> i was really impressed by it becau up everywhere .ldings >> i was really impressed by it becau up everywhere . it ngs >> i was really impressed by it becau up everywhere . it felt going up everywhere. it felt like there was development, there deals being done, there was deals being done, there was business and economy moving. and i just thought, my god wish we could get that god, i wish we could get that back in this country. >> know i you >> well, you know what? i you know, i've tried to put a positive on this, but i am positive spin on this, but i am like you, a bit depressed about the state country the the state of the country at the moment. how jewish

moment. and i think how jewish people are feeling has been, well, actually keeping well, it's actually been keeping me . but what's been me up at night. but what's been happening, dismissing happening, people dismissing anti—semitism, some people saying, oh, you know , it's not saying, oh, you know, it's not that big a deal. almost it, or it's nothing to worry about too much. and then walking past near where i live, one of those posters of a kidnapped israeli hostage having been torn down just down the road from where i live, that made me feel as though if jewish people don't feel like they belong or they don't have sanctuary and community here, then, you know, for me, for me, for the last couple of weeks has been a realisation of we're in a position in and in a state of affairs where i didn't we affairs where i didn't think we were. it's disappointing. >> it's, it's disappointing. it's soul destroying . and, you it's soul destroying. and, you know, not for just tax reasons, but if you want to. >> on that note it well that's that's all we've got on that note, that debate. we've got lots coming on tonight lots more coming up on tonight on though. so do on the show, though. so do stay tuned. us five be tuned. will the five us five be able answer 311 plus able to answer 311 plus questions and get into questions correctly and get into the gb news grammar school? should we be judging royal staff

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as israel's second war of independence . meanwhile, waves independence. meanwhile, waves of rockets have been fired from gaza towards southern israel with sirens sounding in its biggest city, tel aviv . well, biggest city, tel aviv. well, these pictures show a series of missiles being intercepted by the iron dome defences . some the iron dome defences. some landed, including in tel aviv and also in the city of ashkelon . no casualties have been reported covid, however, a group of protesters appear to have gathered near the israeli defence ministry in tel aviv in what appears to be an anti war rally. more on that when we get it . around 100,000 people took it. around 100,000 people took to the streets of london today demanding an end to the bombing of gaza. a two people were arrested following clashes with police near downing street . the police near downing street. the met says one officer has been taken to hospital. elsewhere, more than 200 people staged a sit in on the concourse of

waterloo station on the met's warned that officers will intervene if protesters are deemed to be supporting terrorism . a former leadership terrorism. a former leadership candidate for the snp , ash candidate for the snp, ash regan, has defected . she's regan, has defected. she's joined the ranks of the rival alba party as she's become alba's first msp and says her old party had lost its focus on independence. alba rivals the snp as a pro—independence party. it was set up by former first minister alex salmond , humza minister alex salmond, humza yousaf, the leader of the snp has played down the defection , has played down the defection, saying it's no great loss and that he's not surprised . that he's not surprised. meanwhile, forecasts are warning of further flooding to areas of the country that are still reeling from the effects of storm babett . yellow weather storm babett. yellow weather warnings are in place for several parts of the country. the east coast of scotland and northern ireland and the south of england. been plenty of england. there's been plenty of england. there's been plenty of flooding around the country too, because of heavy rain, a shopping centre in hastings in east sussex evacuated east sussex was evacuated earlier because of flooding and

some rail services have been suspended following the damage caused by storm babett . we're on caused by storm babett. we're on tv , digital radio and also on tv, digital radio and also on smart speaker . that's it for tv, digital radio and also on smart speaker. that's it for me for the moment. now back to the five . saturday five. saturday >> thanks, aaron, and good evening. it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm emily khalife. i can promise you that you're in for a very, very lively hour, which will climax with flummox the five. so please your questions please keep your questions flying giggling over flying in. stop giggling over there. it's time for there. yes. so it's time for bunch of five. this is where we spin through five of the week's big stories and give our always well considered and very thoughtful opinions . thoughtful opinions. >> so now the israel—hamas >> so now as the israel—hamas war continues today, we saw further protests in london in support of palestine for the second week running , 100,000 second week running, 100,000 pro—palestine protesters marched through the city centre with calls for a ceasefire in gaza . calls for a ceasefire in gaza. now, look, things got quite heated as police were seen

clashing with pro—palestinian protesters with punches and kicks being thrown and some rather agitate did officers and some let off fireworks and flares on a statue of david lloyd george , which is standing lloyd george, which is standing on statues a step too far. lewis look, it's obviously hugely disrespectful , but this is a disrespectful, but this is a very tense situation where tensions are ramped up. >> so high. i actually think the police do need to be quite careful here. and if they go in and are seen dragging people off, it could set a crowd off. so i actually think the police, you kind said you know, they kind of said this week, know, they're week, i think, you know, they're monitoring what's happening. and those those those extreme things, those things are illegal, they things that are illegal, they are after those people, but they acting in that moment is not going to help anything. yeah. >> i mean, we do see footage from i say how the police in paris, for example, handle these situations and they're they're far more heavy handed . let's far more heavy handed. let's have it. >> let's see it. >> let's see it. >> darren, what do you think ? >> darren, what do you think? where's where's the line? because you don't want to create

a mob where people throwing a mob where people are throwing things police. there's things at the police. there's aggression, at the same aggression, but at the same time, if people are abusing the law and abusing our statues is not on, is it? >> i'm afraid that that was the most lily livered liberal thing i've ever heard. i don't think that's right at all. i think the police should be actually getting in there and saying , if getting in there and saying, if you are shouting jihad , jihad, you are shouting jihad, jihad, jihad, should well be jihad, you should well be arrested for it. and frankly , we arrested for it. and frankly, we should be more like dubai and say, if you are here and don't share our values and laws and all the rest of it, sling your hook because i'm sorry we've tolerated britain is becoming a doormat for these people who do not share our views and values. and i say >> can you imagine if we went to pakistan or iran or iraq or any of these other countries and we went onto the street and we said, christian crusade, christian crusade. it wouldn't happen. it would not be allowed to happen. and what we need in this country is something akin to giuliani's policy in new

to rudy giuliani's policy in new york, broken window york, where the broken window policy, where any level of crime from a broken window to petty theft is dealt with to stop it spiralling out of control. as darren said, it's an absolute joke. this country at the moment, the police aren't respected. and respected. we're a doormat. and wokesters , louis, are wokesters like you, louis, are part the problem. part of the problem. >> i'm just preaching tolerance and love all the time. >> they're not tolerant . they're >> they're not tolerant. they're not tolerant on those streets. >> gained? >> what is going to be gained? >> what is going to be gained? >> is going be gained by >> what is going to be gained by going and smashing them going in there and smashing them up? just scumbags up? you're just scumbags off the street won't be street for. no, but we won't be able keep them in jail for able to keep them in jail for that long. you don't have enough police to take on police officers to take on a crowd that large anyway, build more prisons. >> know, i think >> you know, i think our democracy c is stronger than those that some those other countries that some of which even democracies of which aren't even democracies at we should be proud at all. and we should be proud of , not fearful of of that fact, not fearful of when it's tested. proud when it's tested. you're proud of scene? when it's tested. you're proud of no,;cene? when it's tested. you're proud of no, i'me? when it's tested. you're proud of no, i'm not proud of it. >> no, i'm not proud of it. >> no, i'm not proud of it. >> not proud and i >> i'm not proud of it. and i don't share their views on the israel either. but israel gaza issue either. but i think that a free country sometimes uncomfortable sometimes has uncomfortable moments. many of moments. and i'm sure many of those when there were 100,000, they are not all shouting flags,

punching all. it's not the punching and all. it's not the ben speaking. ben leo show i'm speaking. they're not all shouting jihad . they're not all shouting jihad. no, i don't need to defend people that are clearly behaving inappropriately. but i think a serious, modern liberal democracy is strong enough to take a day like this. and it doesn't mean that we need to fundamentally take away some people's freedoms and rights . yes. >> because, you know, for a full fact, once your labour lot gain that it's going to be complete pandemonium our streets, pandemonium on our streets, isn't it? they're going to get away sorts i'm away with all sorts know i'm just depressed even just depressed that not even just depressed that not even just police in action which just the police in action which you is clear when they you know is clear when they ignore chants of jihad and awful you know flags being flown. >> but it's just the fact that this is happening that people feel like i do think the police are quite naive. it's so depressing. >> i think they're quite naive. i don't think most police officers understand some the officers understand some of the stuff discussed , and so stuff being discussed, and so they even know to they don't even know where to step, step. step, when to step. >> they do because they try to excuse it on their official account. wasn't account. they say jihad wasn't a cries war. cries for war. >> what was their excuse? >> what was their excuse? >> they it has

>> well, they said that it has many, interpretations, many, many interpretations, probably some probably said it was some people. people think people. some people think we all know when someone know what it means when someone shouts flying shouts it whilst they're flying some flag. some form of flag. >> well, of course, the those on the pro—palestine of those at the pro—palestine of those at the palestine protests would say it a peaceful, mostly it was a peaceful, mostly peaceful event. it, peaceful event. looks it, you know , 100,000. know, 100,000. >> like cnn in america . >> that's like cnn in america. the blm mostly peaceful . the blm riots mostly peaceful. oh, by the way, there's burning building in the background. >> you're >> i understand why you're annoyed. just annoyed. i totally do. i'm just saying, there and saying, running in there and hitting over head, hitting people over the head, it's going give you the it's not going to give you the result you want. >> it is because they won't do it again. >> let's move on. this >> right. let's move on. this week sunak stark week we heard rishi sunak stark warning the future warning over the future of artificial intelligence. did people with else people here with everything else going go. he set going on. but here we go. he set out dystopia. and worst case out a dystopia. and worst case scenario, he that society scenario, he said that society could control over our could lose all control over our ai, preventing it from being switched off. even though he did caveat that he was generally optimistic about its potential. i'm not so sure. so after the threats and risks speech from our prime minister, are we getting worried about nothing? benjamin are you worried that robots could take the

world? >> i got a push notification from uber the other day saying waiting for date night for that special. someone book your car now. now, if tech is so bad at thinking that i have a date, then i dare say there's no danger of robots taking over the world time soon. danger of robots taking over the worwhat time soon. danger of robots taking over the worwhat about soon. danger of robots taking over the worwhat about when it comes to >> what about when it comes to weapons? i'm on the fence about ai. >> i think it's completely ridiculous, as some people want to do, to just say we should not allow it. we should turn it away. we should ignore the tide of technological progress. our lives are significantly better and unimaginably better to 100 years ago because of tech advantages. and i think you'd be an idiot to just say we should ignore it. but the fact is, when the suggestions that these things become as intelligent as human beings, i think that's what careful of what you have to be careful of because, know, human because, you know, human beings can stuff. can do some bad stuff. >> i was alarmed by >> darren i was quite alarmed by how sunak focussed on how much rishi sunak focussed on the potential dangers of artificial intelligence, but then went on to say, oh, well, it's a good thing anyway.

>> well, i mean, benjamin doesn't want robots to take over the wants a robot the world, but he wants a robot to over the country in the to take over the country in the form of keir starmer. form of sir keir starmer. >> how did you spend coming >> how long did you spend coming up that? there problem here up with that? there problem here is is is that actually this is a government put fonnard the government that put fonnard the online which gives online safety bill which gives ofcom dare i mention their name, the power to police the internet i >> right. and that i think is going to end in there being less freedom online to say things like we've all said throughout this show , for example, labour this show, for example, labour want to bang people up for being misogynistic . you know, if misogynistic. you know, if i make a joke, crack a joke on the internet, am i going to be banged will benjamin be banged up? will benjamin be coming visit? coming to visit? >> going to try it out? >> are you going to try it out? >> are you going to try it out? >> it's highly >> well, i think it's highly unlikely it. unlikely i can take it. >> i think it's highly >> i think i think it's highly unlikely you'll successfully make a joke. >> think actually country >> i think actually this country for had for a long time has had a productivity crisis. for a long time has had a pro right.ty crisis. for a long time has had a pro right. ty cris actually for a long time has had a pro right.ty cris actually boost >> right. i can actually boost our productivity and help us get things done quicker , essential things done quicker, essential things done quicker, essential things that we all need to do in our day to day lives and help us live more free. >> what about threat of them >> what about the threat of them taking the world,

taking over the world, though? because they have because they could and they have no in same way as no empathy in the same way as humans. what you lost the humans. and what if you lost the on these robots on off button? these robots could take? i'm being deadly serious here. these robots could be told that they're on a mission to do x , y, and z. be told that they're on a mission to do x , y, and 2. and mission to do x, y, and 2. and in military terms , could lead to in military terms, could lead to genocide. yeah well, i mean, let's hope not. >> i mean, elon musk has said that one of the greatest threats to humanity is al and actually above what people call the climate so it's a climate crisis. so it's a genuine but louis, this genuine point. but louis, this is going to mean i assume and many experts agree , lots of lost many experts agree, lots of lost jobs, automation everywhere . are jobs, automation everywhere. are we to going get to a state where we're going to have the benefit system completely collapsing under the weight of people out of work ? of work? >> well, look, no, i think i think need to have long think we do need to have long term with mean, think we do need to have long tnkind with mean, think we do need to have long tnkind of with mean, think we do need to have long tnkind of feel with mean, think we do need to have long tnkind of feel likeh mean, think we do need to have long tnkind of feel like rishi mean, think we do need to have long tnkind of feel like rishi sunakm, i kind of feel like rishi sunak is for any is just looking for any old legacy. a bit of legislation legacy. so a bit of legislation is what he's going to do. but on your look, got your point, look, ai has got some great benefits to some really great benefits to us. be performing us. it it will be performing operations. helping operations. it will be helping us learn. will doing so us learn. it will be doing so many things. but you are

many great things. but you are right, it mean less right, it will mean that less people have jobs. are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have jobs. are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have|ve jobs. are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have to, jobs. are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have to, but. are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have to, but it are right, it will mean that less peoplnto have to, but it will are going to have to, but it will never go. never 90. >> never go. >> i strike. >> i strike. >> i strike. >> i just quickly say the >> can i just quickly say the idea that tech and automation means won't be enough means that there won't be enough jobs around? that were jobs to go around? if that were true, we would have higher unemployment years true, we would have higher unenwerment years true, we would have higher unenwe don't. years true, we would have higher unenwe don't. have years true, we would have higher unenwe don't. have we've/ears ago. we don't. we have we've had very employment in this very high employment in this country years. and the country for 20 years. and the truth of jobs are truth is, lots of these jobs are things that beings don't things that human beings don't particularly want to do. >> you know, the >> people thought, you know, the computer would put everyone out of created new of work. instead, it created new opportunities. perhaps it's the same it will be same with al. i think it will be similar, but i think we are like, no one wants to work five days a week anymore. >> i mean, want >> i mean, people want i certainly don't want less days a week. think that certainly don't want less days a weis. think that certainly don't want less days a weis going think that certainly don't want less days a weis going to think that certainly don't want less days a weis going to enableiink that certainly don't want less days a weis going to enable that.hat right. >> next, i'm moving on. next on the agenda is a group of celebrities who have written the agenda is a group of celeprimes who have written the agenda is a group of celeprime ministerre written the agenda is a group of celeprime minister overitten the agenda is a group of celeprime minister over the| our prime minister over the hunting celebs who hunting ban, the celebs who are backed by the campaign group peta sunak to peta have urged rishi sunak to ban child an from attending all hunting activities, including trail are hunting activities, including trail used are hunting activities, including trail used as are hunting activities, including trail used as smokescreenire hunting activities, including trail used as smokescreen for often used as smokescreen for killing wild animals. now the countryside alliance have hit back and said the demands were, quote, hysterical all and that the government reject the

the government should reject the idea it wants to be taken idea if it wants to be taken seriously countryside. so seriously in the countryside. so are they chasing tails are they chasing their tails with debate ? darren? with this debate? darren? >> i just think i'm sick of being told what to do by some jumped up vegan with green hair because that's what all these people like. i honestly people look like. i honestly i just these communities are belittled on everything from net zero. makes it really hard to be a farmer. for example, we're told that actually your vehicles are emitting too many things and actually the way in which we rear animals is all wrong and all the rest it, we actually all the rest of it, we actually need people in the countryside to able to cull the to be able to cull the population of certain animals. that's just a fact of life, i'm afraid. that's nature, baby. and all of these things i think, are symptomatic of a culture in which we are punishing those who are the most hard working and stretched people that we've ever known in this country are past it. you try being a farmer , it. you try being a farmer, landowners, why don't we get a

dog to tear you apart while everyone cheers along? >> it's inhumane and ugly. >> it's inhumane and ugly. >> you know anything about. >> indeed, i wouldn't have a job if that were case. farming. if that were the case. farming. well it's not well actually, it's not a difficult. you think afraid difficult. you think i'm afraid you're difficult. you think i'm afraid you'rhave farmers in family >> i have farmers in my family in yorkshire. >> you spoken to them? >> well, they wouldn't go fox hunting. >> i'm sure of that. >> i'm sure of that. >> watching this right now. >> i'm watching this right now. >> i'm watching this right now. >> fox hunting, lazy. >> fox hunting, lazy. >> i didn't them lazy. said. >> i said. i said. >> i said. i said. >> i said. the idea that people who fox hunting are the who go fox hunting are the poorest country poorest people in the country is ridiculous. point ridiculous. i think the point here of this is an here is a lot of this is an activity of poshos, and activity of poshos, right? and it ugly and unaccept it is an ugly and unaccept eatable thing to do. it's not a sport. torture of sport. it's a torture of animals. think most people sport. it's a torture of ani know, think most people sport. it's a torture of ani know, most think most people sport. it's a torture of ani know, most people|ost people sport. it's a torture of ani know, most people think eople we know, most people think fox hunting illegal. this hunting should be illegal. this was you know, was also referring to, you know, fake activities. fake hunting activities. >> know, like they're >> you know, like they're not fake. not actually fake. they're not actually killing any animals. mean, killing any animals. i mean, what celebrity have to what what is a celebrity have to do with telling other people this coogan this this goes back to coogan and writing that stupid and his ilk writing that stupid letter and not letter about palestine and not even once mentioning the atrocities of october the 7th. >> celebrities who these celebrities were. we're talking about it. that's what that's

what they're they're what they're doing. they're using their power coming together and saying, want to together and saying, we want to raise that's why raise attention. so that's why we're talking. >> is this not. oh, >> by the way, is this not. oh, yeah. this not another yeah. is this yet not another attack on britain's identity and tradition and the things, tradition and all the things, the heritage chasing ? the proud heritage of chasing? >> not not actually an >> not is it not actually an attack you being able and i attack on you being able and i isolate you in particular for a reason because you have children. is it not an attack on you for actually what you want to do? your autonomy as a parent for how you want to rear your child? >> yeah, i mean , look, i'm a >> yeah, i mean, look, i'm a liberal at heart . sorry, liberal at heart. sorry, a libertarian, not a liberal. let's get that straight. i don't want the state involved in anything. i don't want external agencies involved in my life. i want state intervention as little as possible. if i don't go don't see the go hunting, i don't see the pill. have shotgun licence. pill. i have a shotgun licence. i pigeon shoots, i go clay pigeon shoots, ooh, we better behave if, if, if the government god forbid, celebs government or god forbid, celebs came to me and said i couldn't take my son's clay pigeon shooting because you know, shooting because of, you know, noise pollution or some stupid excuse they've come up with, i tell where to, right. tell them to where to, right. well we're going to have to

well next we're going to have to cut that short. >> up, gb news very >> sorry. next up, gb news very own has offered own christopher hope has offered us into really us an insight into what's really going on at westminster. chopper has revealed that sir lindsay hoyle, speaker the house of hoyle, speaker of the house of commons, no less, is changing the rules to require all male mps to wear a tie . so according mps to wear a tie. so according to the 2021 edition of rules of behaviour and courtesies in the house of commons, men are encouraged to wear a tie. now this is changing hoyle's new version says they will now be expected made to do so . now this expected made to do so. now this is very interesting indeed because standards in the house of commons have been slipping. i've noticed that. does this really mean no tie, no voice? benjamin, when was the last time you wore a tie? >> i think i've only worn them at funerals and weddings. i don't ties , and i think don't wear ties, and i think very few people do. in reality , very few people do. in reality, they're quite uncomfortable. i feel choked by them when feel a bit choked by them when i have it, but maybe, maybe i should fewer bakewell tarts should eat fewer bakewell tarts and i might not be so fat, but you i think this idea you know, i think this idea that not wearing a tie is unprofessional ridiculous

unprofessional is ridiculous because, know, most people, because, you know, most people, most men don't wear ties to work in this day and age. so why should we expect mps to behave in a different way when that's not what the country looks like of democracy? not what the country looks like of (they'recy? not what the country looks like of (they're setting the standard >> they're setting the standard for lot, aren't ? well, i'm for your lot, aren't? well, i'm not wearing a tie right now, but i'm member of parliament. i'm not a member of parliament. >> god. >> thank god. >> thank god. >> they actually set a >> i think they actually set a standard in country and that standard in the country and that they be dressing nicely, they should be dressing nicely, unlike jeremy corbyn. the thing is, it's like he just rolled out of bush. of a bush. >> yeah, interesting >> well, yeah, it's interesting that hasn't that lindsay hoyle hasn't mentioned presumably he mentioned women, presumably he would be a little frightened to talk about the female fashion in the house of commons because let me say sometimes it is very much smart, casual. it's pushing the definition of smart. casual is very much casual, casual. some of what the ladies are wearing, it depends on the establishment. >> you're in >> i think if you're in parliament you're an elected parliament and you're an elected representative, stick a tie on, for sake. we'll you for god's sake. we'll move you on bunch of for on to our last bunch of five for this week. a bizarre story about a plea from barnardos children's charity, shops in charity, one of their shops in swansea found

swansea in wales, has found itself begging people to think more carefully choosing more carefully when choosing what donate. in a rant on what to donate. so in a rant on social media, the charity expressed outrage at the expressed their outrage at the x—rated second hand items that were being donated. i guess you could say they were being rubbed up the wrong way . the shop up the wrong way. the shop offered two reminders one that they have range of ages when they have a range of ages when it to their customers, it comes to their customers, but they and the they also do have cctv and the risky donated items. i dread to think what could be. well, think what they could be. well, risky. it could be traced risky. yeah. it could be traced back their owners. so it back to their owners. so it sounds customers are sounds like customers are missing barnardos with their saucy toys. lewis, would you buy a second hand sex toy? >> i personally would not. but you know why ? why should people you know why? why should people in not be able to buy in poverty not be able to buy a sex toy? i mean, i see it and a used one. you can at least clean them. there some people you them. there are some people you can't but i do think this can't clean, but i do think this is slightly inappropriate. goodness me. >> goodness me . yeah. oh, no. i >> goodness me. yeah. oh, no. i thought you were going to continue that. oh, no, sorry. i was wondering where were was wondering where you were going was wondering where you were goiiyou're saying you've too >> you're saying you've gone too far. no, no, no. >> i was wondering you >> i was wondering where you were with that.

were going to go with that. >> i mean, look, >> no, i mean, look, i personally wouldn't do and i personally wouldn't do it, and i personally wouldn't do it, and i personally wouldn't do it, and i personally wouldn't buy but personally wouldn't buy it. but i guess that there is definitely going be people there going to be people out there that argue actually that would argue that actually there gap between that would argue that actually there and gap between that would argue that actually there and why gap between that would argue that actually there and why should)etween that would argue that actually there and why should people not people and why should people not have access those things? have access to those things? >> this doesn't have access to those things? >> promote this doesn't have access to those things? >> promote just, this doesn't have access to those things? >> promote just, you s doesn't have access to those things? >> promote just, you know, .n't this promote just, you know, the massively of stds and. >> no, because you clean things can i just say, i think this is outrageous of barnardos the way they're know, they're saying, you know, we've got can trace who got cctv, we can trace who donated how they so got cctv, we can trace who don.judgemental? they so and judgemental? >> is giving that >> well, someone is giving that because to sell it. because they want to sell it. it's a perfectly reasonable because they want to sell it. it's a jadults.y reasonable because they want to sell it. it's a jadults buyasonable because they want to sell it. it's a jadults buy these|le thing. adults buy these things often a bit of money often for quite a bit of money and so i think, you know, they shouldn't sojudgemental and so i think, you know, they shouldn't so judgemental of shouldn't be so judgemental of their donors. >> you're wrong. what's >> no, you're wrong. what's happening here? i'm never wrong, emily. if you look outside a charity in the early hours, charity shop in the early hours, what find? will what will you find? you will find bags of absolute find bin bags of absolute rubbish that people just don't want to keep in their homes anymore. just a version of anymore. it's just a version of fly—tipping that's what is. fly—tipping that's what it is. people used people put, you know, used undennear in there. they put clothing that's, you know, fallen to pieces that no one is going to buy from the charity shop. so then the charity shop

has to with of that has to deal with all of that rubbish, through it. and rubbish, go through it. and i'm saying because worked saying this because i've worked at and i know the at a charity shop and i know the garbage that people chuck into the charity shop just because they be bothered they can't be bothered to take it rant over. are it to the tip. rant over. are you people to stop being you telling people to stop being so generous? >> nation of be >> we're a nation of be generous, with proper stuff >> we're a nation of be genepeople with proper stuff >> we're a nation of be genepeople wanth proper stuff >> we're a nation of be genepeople want to troper stuff >> we're a nation of be genepeople want to buyer stuff >> we're a nation of be genepeople want to buy because that people want to buy because it is a shop after all. >> a dumping ground anyway. >> not a dumping ground anyway. still to come tonight with labour's pledge to tax private schools, more grammar schools, more will grammar schools suddenly be overrun with applicants chasing ever fewer spots? also see who out of spots? we'll also see who out of the of us is smarter than the five of us is smarter than an 11 year old. could it be buttennorth? it grimes? buttennorth? could it be grimes? oakley, we'll put the five oakley, leo? we'll put the five to 11 plus test. you're the to the 11 plus test. you're the saturday live on .

listening to gb news radio. >> good evening. welcome back to the saturday five. so here's a question. could labour's tax plans for private school fees fuel demand for grammar school places? it's already a pretty competitive market. so much so

that thousands of parents of hopeful year six students will have been prepping , putting have been prepping, putting their kids through private tuition , trying to get them tuition, trying to get them through the 11 plus exams. but just how hard is the 11 plus and our grammar schools really all they're cracked up to be? well, who better to ask than an 11 plus tutor? a london based tutor, sudhir virani joins us now. thank you very much indeed for joining us. so here so how forjoining us. so here so how tough the 11 plus as an exam tough is the 11 plus as an exam and do you reckon the five of us could pass it without doing any preparation ? preparation? >> um , i doubt you'd pass it >> um, i doubt you'd pass it without any preparation unless you've got a maths background , you've got a maths background, i'm sure you guys will be all right with the creative writing side, but the maths aspect, it covers a lot of stuff that would be covered like in the first two years of secondary school, like simultaneous equations. um, more complex algebra and it's quite time pressured as well . and then time pressured as well. and then on the other hand, there's also the non—verbal reasoning and the

verbal reasoning, which is something that's not taught in primary all. so it is primary schools at all. so it is really difficult someone , really difficult for someone, uh, particularly from a working class background or something like that without any tuition to pass a grammar school test. it's almost fallacy that grammar almost a fallacy that grammar schools provide like a potential leg up for you know, the working class because there's not really any way for you to get in a position to pass it unless potentially if your parents or teachers or they have some academic background without tuition, it's very difficult . tuition, it's very difficult. and yeah, for most adults it would be extremely difficult i think as well. >> so is there are you finding that more and more parents are looking for tutors because admission these schools is admission to these schools is just compelling ? lviv yeah. just so compelling? lviv yeah. >> so with the cost of living crisis, we've got a lot of private school, you know, kids that were traditionally applied to private schools also looking to private schools also looking to apply to grammar schools as well. but from that perspective of and also post—pandemic like, you know, a lot of kids have

fallen behind. so there's a lot of demand for tutoring just on that basis well. to just that basis as well. just to just to catch up essentially. um, so yeah , it's quite busy. yeah, it's quite busy. >> and just just lastly , do you >> and just just lastly, do you think it's good the best choice for most academically minded children to go to a grammar school? because it seems to be, you know, all these parents are desperate for their child to go to one. you don't have to pay for unlike school. for it, unlike a private school. but is it is it the best choice? >> so for me personally, like i went to a state school and in my primary school, which was a good primary school, which was a good primary school, which was a good primary school, i wasn't like the top in the year. i was maybe among the top, you know, 5 or 6 or something. but when i went to my state school, i was top my state school, i was the top student from day one, that student from day one, and that gave lot motivation and gave me a lot of motivation and that beneficial for me. that was more beneficial for me. so , you it so say that, you know, it depends on the kid. if the kid is very competitive at grammar school competing with a school and he's competing with a higher kind of calibre peers , higher kind of calibre of peers, that beneficial. but it that could be beneficial. but it could also be good if you're in a state school, as long as it's

safe and it's, you know, of a decent standard. and if you're among the best students in the state school, you know, it might build your confidence a bit more in it depends on in that aspect. so it depends on the student, i think. yeah, well, are lots of people well, there are lots of people who would like see grammar who would like to see grammar schools because they schools shut down because they don't as being well don't see them as being well giving don't see them as being well givibut that's a, that's a >> but that's a, that's a debate, a long held debate, long standing debate. thank you very much for here arnie. much indeed to for here arnie. london based 11 plus tutor. thank for your insight this thank you for your insight this evening. well that was interesting. reckon . i reckon interesting. i reckon. i reckon he's wrong, though. i reckon we could pass it straight away without any training. so that's what we're going to do. we're going to see we can see if we going to see if we can see if we can answer these questions. do you difference between you know the difference between nonverbal reasoning? you know the difference between nonvewe'll reasoning? you know the difference between nonvewe'll out. reasoning? you know the difference between nonvewe'll out. ireasoning? you know the difference between nonvewe'll out. i think|ing? well, we'll find out. i think nonverbal the shapes, nonverbal is the shapes, but i may wrong would you may be wrong anyway. would you believe that the five us will believe that the five of us will now tested with 311 plus now be tested with 311 plus questions to see if we'd be eligible for grammar school and not just any grammar school? the gb news grammar school. we're going to be tasked with the

verbal reasoning category, going to be tasked with the vthink reasoning category, going to be tasked with the vthink reascamg category, going to be tasked with the vthink reascan safely�*gory, going to be tasked with the vthink reascan safely�*gorywe're i think we can safely say we're all bad at. i will be the all pretty bad at. i will be the host, so over to me and we'll have one minute only to work out our answer. only one minute. well here we go. shall we go to question number one then, guys? let's are we ready? okay, let's do it. are we ready? okay, now, number one. at home, now, number one. and at home, please do try to work these please do try to work out these questions to we must work out which statement is true. a b c, d. which statement is true. a b c, d, or e after listening to the following . so freddie's following. so freddie's grandpa's name is dennis. dennis drives a red car. dennis is also the name of a company which makes fire engines. fire engines are usually red in colour . a are usually red in colour. a fireman drives. oh so the answers are erm. i'm getting lost here. right so a fireman drive red cars. b freddie's grandpa is a fireman. c freddie's grandpa is a driver. d freddie's grandpa is a driver. d freddie's grandpa is a driver. d

freddie's grandpa makes fire engines. e all red vehicles are fire engines. okay guys, so get your thinking caps on the red car. can we keep it up so we can have a little look? we need to read that again. we need to read it again. we need to. we need to get up. othennise got get it up. othennise got a minute? >> come on. >> come on. >> come on. graphic >> come on. graphic on. >> come on. graphic come on. we're running out of time. i think we're down to half minute. >> freddie's grandpa's is >> freddie's grandpa's name is dennis. red car. dennis. dennis drives a red car. dennis. dennis drives a red car. dennis is also the name of a company makes fire company which makes fire engines. is engines. grandpa's name is dennis dennis. i'm just going to take can't take a punt. my brain can't work that take a punt. my brain can't work tha right. what we reckon? >> right. what do we reckon? okay. says freddie's okay. louis says b, freddie's grandpa fireman. benjamin grandpa is a fireman. benjamin >> hey. >> hey. okay >> hey. okay anyone >> hey. okay anyone else? >> hey. okay anyone else? >> d d darren well, should i just say a different one? >> just to. >> just to. >> just to be okay. you're going for e now the answer is drum roll, please. it's c freddie's grandpa is a driver, so i see what the tutor we just spoke to was talking about. that what the tutor we just spoke to was talking about . that was was talking about. that was a little bit confusing, wasn't it? i'd have to probably draw it out. >> what's the point in that ?

>> what's the point in that? >> what's the point in that? >> well, so, you know, you have to show intelligence, rather. >> about >> my kids were taught about economics, credit scores , money. economics, credit scores, money. no, no, no . no, no, no. >> you need this stuff first. stereo you go to a state school, what should we do? question number two, you must solve the following is half as following. matthew is half as old as zena. next year, simon is six. zena is two years older than simon was last year. how many years old is matthew okay? right we can do this one. this is just a bit of maths. >> matthew is half as old as me. next year simon is six, six, seven, eight. right >> i've got it. how many years old is matthew? okay ben. leo's got it. anyone else? anyone else ? >> i'm literally lost my lucky number. >> all right, listen, it's. it's half eight at night, and too difficult. >> too difficult . okay. it's >> too difficult. okay. it's four. yes, it's for ben. got it. right. >> and i've got a g in gcse maths. thank god. here we go. >> we've only got one question left, so let me know if you've got these right or wrong. for

our third and final question, we must the following. jake must solve the following. jake hannah and tanya each run in a timed cross—country race. tanya starts her run at 10 am. hannah takes five minutes less than jake to complete the course. jake to complete the course. jake started his run ten minutes before tanya and finished at 10:20 am. hannah finished at 10:15 am, which , following 10:15 am, which, following statement is therefore true a hannah runs faster than tanya b jake and tanya take the same amount of time. c tanya is the last to finish. d hannah and jake started at the same time . e jake started at the same time. e jake started at the same time. e jake finished after tanya . jake finished after tanya. >> why would you send your kid to a school that does this to them? >> well, i'm glad you're agreeing on scrapping grammar schools. i don't have a clue. >> i'm in support of grammar schools. it doesn't mean i would have gotten one. have gotten into one. >> well, see that. >> well, we can see that. >> well, we can see that. >> sure you're even >> i'm not sure you're even trying. i bet the people i bet are viewers at home. at are lovely viewers at home. at home are thinking, i'm sure you've all got it at home. i'm thinking they've got it. you know, you sound know, all you need is you sound like know, all you need is you sound uke need know, all you need is you sound like need grammar school.

like you need grammar school. >> need bed. like you need grammar school. >> i'm need bed. like you need grammar school. >> i'm going bed. like you need grammar school. >> i'm going to ted. like you need grammar school. >> i'm going to go with d, you need sheet of paper. need a sheet of paper. >> you're correct, benjamin. >> and you're correct, benjamin. the answer just read the answer is d you just read that started at the same time. well, you that was well, there you go. that was ever so do ever so slightly painful. so do let us know at home. i'm so sorry. >> to viewers at home, if you got any of those. >> correct. none of them at all. and it looks like we're not going to going the gb news going to be going to the gb news grammar soon. grammar school anytime soon. >> i safely we >> well, i can safely say we failed that no doubt. failed that one, no doubt. thanks guys. still thanks for that, guys. still ahead, is okay in this day ahead, is it okay in this day and us to judging and age for us to be judging royal staff based their royal staff based on their looks? out the superb looks? find out what the superb christine makes king christine hamilton makes of king charles man, charles dishy right hand man, not by the way. next, not my words, by the way. next, you're with saturday five you're with the saturday five live on

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author and broadcaster christine hamilton . christine, come on hamilton. christine, come on then scores on the doors for the king's new right hand man. does he do you? he do it for you? >> oh, absolutely. and he did have the nation swooning. look he's terrific. i mean, he's handsome . looks wonderful handsome. he looks wonderful in a fabulous legs. what's a kilt. fabulous legs. what's not to like? camilla obviously likes having him around . likes having him around. clearly, has other skills as clearly, he has other skills as well. it isn't just that he's eye candy . if that's all he was, eye candy. if that's all he was, he the job. but no. he wouldn't get the job. but no. why not? i mean, my butler is incredibly hunky. make go incredibly hunky. i make him go around shorts . why not? incredibly hunky. i make him go arowso, shorts . why not? incredibly hunky. i make him go arowso, christine . why not? incredibly hunky. i make him go arowso, christine from! not? incredibly hunky. i make him go arowso, christine from alot? incredibly hunky. i make him go arowso, christine from a woman's >> so, christine from a woman's point of view, we're looking at the pictures now. what is it about chap that you think about this chap that you think has got females hot or and men, i under the collar? >> yeah, i think you're right. and men, too. well, look, man >> yeah, i think you're right. ana men, too. well, look, man >> yeah, i think you're right. ana woman.). well, look, man >> yeah, i think you're right. ana woman. look,l, look, man >> yeah, i think you're right. ana woman. look, uniform man >> yeah, i think you're right. ana woman. look, uniform is1an >> yeah, i think you're right. ana woman. look, uniform is an or a woman. look, uniform is a great sex appeal. not great sex appeal. usually not everybody . but what's your everybody. but what's your favourite, christine ? you in favourite, christine? you in uniform? pardon >> what's your favourite uniform for a man ? what is it you like for a man? what is it you like to wear? >> i don't mind. when the navy, of course. the senior service. but i'm not near the

but when i'm not near the uniform . i love. love the uniform. i love. i love the uniform. i love. i love the uniform. it enhances uniform. i'm near it enhances any . it really does. and you any. it really does. and you know, he's obviously they want to have him around. he clearly gets on very well with camilla. charles would never promote somebody who wasn't pleasing to his wife and all sorts of sorry that sounds you know what that sounds awful. you know what i so of course , he's not i mean? so of course, he's not there just because of his look, but his looks do not hinder him. and i'm delighted because i like seeing him on television . i seeing him on television. i loved seeing him during the coronation and the late queen's funeral. i think he just added a little bit of anas sannar , as little bit of anas sannar, as the french would put it, to the whole thing. so yeah, i'm a johnny fan. massive johnny fan . johnny fan. massive johnny fan. >> well, look, christine, all jokes aside, is it fair? we're judging men by their looks these days? look, if i sat here talking about a woman in the same way, i think i'd be thrown in the tower of london. so isn't this just a load of sexist guff? yes >> you would be thrown in the tower of london, but come on.

men been talking about men have been talking about women since women in this way since time immemorial . and about immemorial. and isn't it about time we balanced up the sex? why shouldn't women, even a shouldn't women, even women of a great age like me? why shouldn't we discuss the eye candy aspect of a man? why not? what's wrong? what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander the other way round. so if this guy on way round. so if this guy was on a if this guy on a the cover a if this guy was on a the cover of men's health, say, next week, would you be rushing out to buy it? no, i wouldn't. no because. no, i wouldn't. i'd rather see him in his uniform than in the sort of gear that i gather. i don't buy it is worn by or not worn by people who are posing for men's health. but, you know, listen, seriously , i take your listen, seriously, i take your point. we are objectifying him as a handsome man. why not? people have objectified women as beautiful or whatever for time immemorial. as i said. beautiful or whatever for time immemorial. as i said . and i immemorial. as i said. and i think it's about time the girls had their chance, too. why not? i am delighted that john is going to be in the public eye for a bit longer.

>> let me just check then. >> let me just check you then. if start tonight and we if i start here tonight and we did on young did a segment on a young royalist waiting, young royalist in waiting, a young female, beautiful , female, really beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, attractive, old. would attractive, 25 year old. would you equally as happy to come you be equally as happy to come on this show and talk about how she's going to getting all she's going to be getting all the men and everyone's going to be out at the be checking her out at the coronation and whatever else? >> my >> she probably doesn't rock my boat does. boat the way that johnny does. so , you're quite right. so no, you're quite right. neatly understand the point you're making. if we were doing this about a woman, we would all be horrified. but we're not. so we're doing it about a man. look, he's a soldier. been look, he's a soldier. he's been in he can take it. he in battle. he can take it. he probably secretly enjoys it. he's happily married . he's got he's happily married. he's got a kid, if not more . and why not? kid, if not more. and why not? he's good at his job. and if he helps the king and the queen to do their job better, then i'm all for it. and if it's a little bit of light hearted, fun for the rest of us, why not? but you're quite right. yes. if you were objective buying a female employee would be employee like that, i would be horrified . i quite agree. horrified. i quite agree. i'm a hypocrite. like everybody else. >> does this say about

>> what does this say about about the monarchy and charles's intention to cling on to the throne? because, of course, there are whispers that and definitely some on the sidelines who were urging charles to abdicate for case and william , abdicate for case and william, is this a sign of intent, perhaps from charles that he's willing stick around and he's willing to stick around and he's shoring his, you know, shoring up his, you know, his inside ? inside circle? >> i don't like your use of the word cling on to the throne . word cling on to the throne. it's his birthright. whether you accept the hereditary principle and approve of it or not. it's what we have. it's his birthright. he is the king and it's his. as long as he wants it. it's not nothing to do with clinging on the queen always made it clear that she would never , ever abdicate. she never, ever abdicate. she regarded it as something she had to until she died. and it to do until she died. and it remains to be seen whether charles continues that tradition . but he's not clinging on. he's doing his duty. frankly, think doing his duty. frankly, i think he's doing it well. and if johnny thompson helps him to do that duty, then he has to join the christine hamilton. >> you're a legend , as ever.

>> you're a legend, as ever. thank for your words thank you for your words of wisdom your evening, wisdom. um, enjoy your evening, benjamin buttennorth. is that king charles the right hand man? he's a do it for you. is he a dishy? >> well, i only got this job because of my looks, so a because of my looks, so i'd be a hypocrite. i don't know what you're laughing at, emily. >> i mean, do actually >> look, i mean, i do actually think people think that objectifying people in this is. in this way is. >> is quite unhealthy because, you it might like you know, it might sound like a compliment people. and compliment to those people. and of are much worse of course, there are much worse things. called, things. you can be called, but actually receipt actually even people on receipt of compliments can of those kind of compliments can can really get self—conscious about it, can think that it's the reason that you're the only reason that you're interested and do the only reason that you're interethat and do the only reason that you're interethat it's and do the only reason that you're interethat it's commonly think that it's more commonly how women are referred to. and i think it you know, you're not just beautiful, your brains as well. emily oh, thank you . well. emily oh, thank you. >> it does help patronising tone it's pretty privilege , isn't it? it's pretty privilege, isn't it? >> yeah. women are men . if you >> yeah. women are men. if you look all right, you're going to probably do better in some situations . situations. >> i don't see anything wrong with saying women are beautiful or attractive or even in or they're attractive or even in some their looks may some situations their looks may have helped them get into certain positions that's

certain positions. but that's not in day and not acceptable in this day and age and i just think age in society. and i just think when men and women so when people are men and women so happy to swoon , as we've happy to swoon, as we've described it tonight, over men in positions of authority or, you know, in quite respectful jobs, i mean, does this guy is he happy with the way that people are sort of objectifying him this? he's not very him like this? he's not very risk the women are of being risk the way women are of being the thing. risk the way women are of being the so, thing. risk the way women are of being the so, you ng. risk the way women are of being the so, you know, christine's >> so, you know, christine's right. it is double standards . right. it is double standards. but, know, someone but, you know, as someone bisexual , i but, you know, as someone bisexual, i can but, you know, as someone bisexual , i can appreciate bisexual, i can appreciate a good a good looking man. i told you to get a good looking man and good looking woman. my god. >> we never before. this is >> we never met before. this is my out moment. my coming out moment. >> , you know, even >> no, but, you know, even i have to be quite careful because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan to be quite careful because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan go be quite careful because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan go around! careful because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan go around and eful because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan go around and say, because >> no, but, you know, even i hcan go around and say, oh, use i can go around and say, oh, he's but you have, he's hot, but then you have, like, can't say that about he's hot, but then you have, like,have can't say that about he's hot, but then you have, like,have to 1't say that about he's hot, but then you have, like,have to check that about he's hot, but then you have, like,have to check yourself ut he's hot, but then you have, like,have to check yourself about you have to check yourself about women. is double women. so it is double standards. there's standards. but there's reasons for standards. for the double standards. >> yes, women >> yeah, good point. yes, women fundamentally are at risk. more so men vice versa, so from men than vice versa, although perhaps you dispute that. >> no, no, i agree with that. >> no, no, i agree with that. >> physically, something i hadn't thought anyway, physically anyway. >> be >> but still ahead, we'll be answering in

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welcome back to the saturday five. now then it is finally time for flummox the five. this is my favourite bit where you wonderful viewers set the agenda for the rest of the show. thanks very sending in your very much for sending in your questions i'm to get questions. so i'm going to get the rolling with this one the ball rolling with this one first. this is one we got sent earlier actually the show earlier actually in the show from but we didn't answer from pat, but we didn't answer it. think it. she asks, do you think labour has changed from a secular to a religious political party? well, actually, that's a bit of a rather odd question, actually. now i read it twice. what do you think she means by that, darren? >> she's arguing >> well, i think she's arguing that actually in the that actually that many in the labour they're labour party feel that they're completely those who completely beholden to those who are deeply religious are obviously deeply religious and , i think she's perhaps and well, i think she's perhaps alluding to one religion more than others, but i mean, it's gone from the time of tony blair

saying we don't do god and to the labour party being absolutely terrified of god . absolutely terrified of god. >> i mean, i don't think the labour party is terrified of god. it's got lots of christians as a strong christian socialist history. look, i don't like the idea of people's idea at all of people's religious views deterred examining their political views and how other people should be governed. you're free to have your religious views, but i don't think you should inflict them through the means of party politics government. so politics and government. so that's do they do get >> they do get they do get intertwined, is deeply intertwined, which is deeply unfortunate. really dodi and as we've seen, there's been some polling and don't know if it's polling and i don't know if it's if it's true or but showing if it's true or not, but showing that party is losing the that labour party is losing the muslim moment, which muslim vote at the moment, which is quite worrying actually, because shouldn't necessarily because it shouldn't necessarily because it shouldn't necessarily be religion shouldn't be your religion shouldn't necessarily your politics necessarily inform your politics in in such a way. in britain in such a way. >> well, it's worrying because of actually the reason why , of actually the reason why, right. in standing up and saying immediately after the october seven terrorist attack on israel . well, in saying actually, i don't agree with sir keir

starmer's stance on being robust on this, that's worrying. that's troubling. >> it's very troubling . our next >> it's very troubling. our next question is from cam. cam asks my new girlfriend . emphasis on my new girlfriend. emphasis on the new thinks our flat is haunted because things keep moving in the night. i sleepwalk and have a tendency to move things . do i tell her and have a tendency to move things. do i tell her or will she leave me? louis, you're the relationship expert. >> you definitely have to tell her because she's going to be so creeped if she wakes up in creeped out if she wakes up in the middle the night. the middle of the night. >> i have this an >> i have had this with an ex that kind said, by the way, a that kind of said, by the way, a sleepwalk and don't worry about it. i was i couldn't sleep. sleepwalk and don't worry about inas i was i couldn't sleep. sleepwalk and don't worry about inas so was i couldn't sleep. sleepwalk and don't worry about inas so terrifiedwuldn't sleep. sleepwalk and don't worry about inas so terrified that't sleep. sleepwalk and don't worry about inas so terrified that't slnwas i was so terrified that she was going wander off down going to, like, wander off down the tell the street. so tell her. tell her mean, quite fun to her i mean, it's quite fun to have the it's quite fun to have that whole little play with you. >> probably didn't >> probably just didn't enjoy your she >> probably just didn't enjoy yoursleepwalking she >> probably just didn't enjoy yoursleepwalking so she >> probably just didn't enjoy yoursleepwalking so could! was sleepwalking so she could she happened. she could do what happened. >> oh, god. everything just >> oh, my god. everything just blurred together. >> was leaving. she. >> she was just leaving. she. >> she was just leaving. she. >> know, i don't >> she'd had, you know, i don't understand . understand why. >> why have to share >> why couples have to share a bed. you know, i've bed. i, you know, whenever i've had i don't had a romantic partner, i don't want to sleep in the same bed all night. so i think separate

bedrooms. the answer. bedrooms. that's the answer. >> not permanently, >> i do that not permanently, but when come late from but when i come back late from work, i get in two in the work, if i get in at two in the morning, i'll sleep on the sofa downstairs. no, want to downstairs. no, don't want to wake rihanna. wake up the kids or rihanna. >> but not everyone is in a position to able to use the position to be able to use the other though. they position to be able to use the othesome though. they position to be able to use the othesome couples?ugh. they position to be able to use the othesome couples? they've they position to be able to use the othesome couples? they've goty position to be able to use the othesome couples? they've got a sofa. >> well, you're going say and >> well, you're going to say and sit sleep the sofa. sit on the sleep on the sofa. >> is a small sofa. there's >> it is a small sofa. there's something very nice about sharing your partner, sharing a bed with your partner, but there some circumstances but there are some circumstances when one can't sleep very well. >> for example , and you continue >> for example, and you continue to be woken up throughout the night, that's probably not the best relations. ukip. best for your relations. ukip. i didn't were to didn't realise we were going to be giving relationship advice on this. i think honesty be giving relationship advice on th probably think honesty be giving relationship advice on th probably the think honesty be giving relationship advice on th probably the best honesty be giving relationship advice on th probably the best policyty be giving relationship advice on th probably the best policy when is probably the best policy when it this. think if you it comes to this. i think if you don't tell her it could a bit don't tell her it could go a bit up as it were . up as it were. >> but if she's believed in that there is such a thing as a poltergeist, that's and maybe she's not for you. maybe that's all i can say. >> oh, no, we're saying they're telling him to dump her. >> she's watching, then >> if she's watching, then you should her the should stay with her for the rest your life. but she's

rest of your life. but if she's not pull the plug, she sounds like a muscle. >> okay, should we get our next question? this one from question? this one is from chris. now, chris asks , why chris. now, chris asks, why don't darren and benjamin date to a nice restaurant or something? they seem very comfortable with each other even though they disagree on everything. i think this one is referring to our conversation earlier, which louis brought up, which whether which was about whether you should outside your should date people outside your political viewpoint . so, darren, political viewpoint. so, darren, would you take up benjamin on date? >> i think that i am very happy in company , but in benjamin's company, but whether not that would whether or not that would manifest in romantic manifest itself in any romantic setting , i'm not sure i wouldn't setting, i'm not sure i wouldn't hold your breath . hold your breath. >> rachel . >> rachel. >> rachel. >> i do actually owe darren dinner, so that's that's from my book. but if it's not, it's not a romantic one. >> socialist. >> socialist. >> he's been neither of you would ever admit it. well, but look , you know, workplace look, you know, workplace romances are apparently. >> yeah, they're not allowed these days. itv this week said that anybody who's having a friendship, let alone a romance,

has to declare it to their bosses. >> i think that is awful. i think that is awful. >> you know, i think back in the days, yeah, back in the day, people you that people used to you know, that used the first place you'd used to be the first place you'd meet someone. >> yeah, it's all a bit sad, isn't monotonous. isn't it? monotonous. you can't speak anymore without isn't it? monotonous. you can't speak hr anymore without isn't it? monotonous. you can't speak hr it.ymore without telling hr about it. >> also, can imagine ? most >> also, can you imagine? most guys a mile they guys would run a mile if they thoughtjust guys would run a mile if they thought just going on guys would run a mile if they thoughtjust going on a date with you would mean that they'd have and have to tell their employer and everything it's everything because then it's like, goes wrong? >> get signed by your >> get it signed off by your boss, liability boss, get some public liability insurance. >> i think guys should >> i think you guys should take a gb news for your date. a gb news camera for your date. and i think be and like, i think that'd be really good television. >> least something really good television. >> be least something really good television. >> be goodist something really good television. >> be good television.ng really good television. >> be good television. that would be good television. that would be good television. that would be. welcome that. would be. we can welcome that. i do think it's awkward. imagine sort date someone sort of starting to date someone and of and then the awkwardness of asking them a and then asking them on a date and then having tell your boss. asking them on a date and then havllg tell your boss. asking them on a date and then havllg t(well,ur boss. asking them on a date and then havllg t(well, maybe one day >> i think, well, maybe one day you'll celebs. >> i think, well, maybe one day you go celebs. >> i think, well, maybe one day you go dating.5lebs. >> go dating. >> go dating. >> one last question. >> one last question. >> yeah. neil asks, why can so many pronounce letter many not pronounce the letter x? the not brexit. the word is brexit, not brexit. exit. not exit luxury, not luxury . well, i hope you're not luxury. well, i hope you're not referring to my pronunciation in

there . but yes, this is this referring to my pronunciation in there. but yes, this is this is a very big problem, isn't it, ben? leo well, it's the same thing as saying h when it's oh sorry. >> h oh, i can't bear it. >> h oh, i can't bear it. >> that's the one. it's the correct pronunciation of course, is, is h you know what we talked about. >> would you date people with different political opinions common as muck? i would not date someone said it goes someone who said hate it goes through like nails on chalkboard. >> i've forgotten the correct pronunciation. it's not hate pronunciation. it's h not hate with h. with an a h. >> revolting. >> revolting. >> horrible. does my head in. >> horrible. does my head in. >> well, let us know at home if you with that. you you disagree with that. do you think that losing our think that we're losing our standards comes to standards when it comes to pronunciation of words? >> terrified to >> i mean, i'm terrified to speak from the midlands >> i mean, i'm terrified to speemy from the midlands >> i mean, i'm terrified to speemy accents from the midlands >> i mean, i'm terrified to speemy accents changed. viidlands and my accents changed. but i have a so i'm just have a twang, so i'm just terrified. just leave people alone. you know what they're up saying, the problem? well, on >> what's the problem? well, on that we're leaving. >> what's the problem? well, on tha we're we're leaving. >> what's the problem? well, on tha we're leaving eaving. >> what's the problem? well, on tha we're leaving ourng. >> what's the problem? well, on tha we're leaving our viewers and >> we're leaving our viewers and listeners. us. listeners. that's it from us. thanks wonderful louis thanks to the wonderful louis oakley our oakley for being our guest tonight . to of oakley for being our guest tonight. to of our tonight. and to all of our wonderful viewers , thank you wonderful viewers, thank you very sending so many very much for sending in so many questions. and mark questions. the one and only mark dolan next. and we look dolan is next. and we look fonnard you this time fonnard to seeing you this time next good evening.

next week. good evening. >> is rachel ayers and >> my name is rachel ayers and welcome latest gb news welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met so it's been by the met office. so it's been a pretty unsettled start the a pretty unsettled start to the weekend and that's all due to this large area of low pressure out to the west of the uk, bringing some tighter isobars across the north and south. so some stronger winds here as we go into tonight. heavy rain making its way northwards and bringing some pretty heavy bursts across south southern parts of wales and southeast england. what we'll see, some strong, gusty winds to that rain continuing to make its way north through northern england, northern ireland and then later into scotland. as we go into the early hours of sunday. so a pretty gloomy, wet start here. some brighter skies across central and eastern parts of england . but for southern and england. but for southern and western coasts , it's another western coasts, it's another blustery day with frequent showers that could bring the odd rumble of thunder as well. as we go into the second part of the weekend, some sunny spells, too, and feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine with highs of 13 to

15. so as we go into the new work week, that rain will continue across eastern scotland, becoming a little more patchy in nature , though. patchy in nature, though. elsewhere it's another day of sunshine and showers . these sunshine and showers. these still most frequent and heaviest across southern and western coasts and that continuing as we go into the new week . but go into the new week. but temperatures starting to drop a little in the north as we go towards midweek

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