. i'm emily carver and lunchtime. i'm emily carver and for next two hours, i'll be for the next two hours, i'll be keeping you company on your tv onune keeping you company on your tv online and digital radio. so coming hour here, as the coming up this hour here, as the communications blackout eases in gaza, israel's bombardment continues, striking hundreds more hamas targets as the death toll rises, calls continue to ramp up for an immediate ceasefire. we'll be heading to israel for the latest. and mass protests took place across the uk yesterday in solidarity with palestine , but found among the palestine, but found among the crowds were protesters carrying effigies of dead babies . chants effigies of dead babies. chants of globalise the intifada , as of globalise the intifada, as well as the defacement of statues. has the conflict sadly exposed deep divisions in this country and the labour leader, sir keir starmer, is facing criticism from senior figures in his own party over his stance on the conflict that says key members of the labour party defy his position. please do get in touch throughout the show. send me your thoughts on vaiews@gbnews.uk . com. send us vaiews@gbnews.uk. com. send us a message on our socials . we're a message on our socials. we're at gb news. but first, let's get

the news headlines with tatiana . the news headlines with tatiana. >> emily thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom . some from the newsroom. some communications have been restored in gaza after a blackout severely impacted yesterday's rescue efforts . but yesterday's rescue efforts. but israeli forces are expanding ground operations in gaza, but the united nations warns that civil order is starting to fade with reports of people breaking into aid centres and warehouses into aid centres and warehouses in a desperate search for vital suppues. in a desperate search for vital supplies . despite assurances supplies. despite assurances that aid trucks will be allowed in, the un says supplies are insufficient. last night, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu said the second stage of war with hamas has begun and he warned of a long and difficult campaign ahead . the difficult campaign ahead. the gaza health ministry said this morning just over 8000 people have been killed . it's unlikely have been killed. it's unlikely that any labour mps will be sacked due to disagreements with

the party's position on israel . the party's position on israel. that's according to the shadow science secretary peter carr says the party's leadership will probably continue engaging with frontbenchers , despite frontbenchers, despite disagreements with sir keir starmer. sir keir has echoed the un's call for a humanitarian pause in fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza. but many senior figures want him to go further and back a ceasefire in other news, the hollywood actor matthew perry , star of the matthew perry, star of the legendary sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. >> forget hypnosis. the way to quit smoking is you have to dance naked in a field of heather and then bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men . sweat of six healthy young men. >> police were called to his home in los angeles, where he was found unresponsive in a hot tub. he became a household name as the dry and witty chandler bing alongside jennifer aniston. lisa kudrow and others. the enormous success of friends made it an icon of 90s popular

culture. it ran for ten seasons in the final episode was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. warner brothers said in a statement that his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many showbiz expert kinsey schofield spoke to gb news about the sad news. >> this is a man who we have seen working on his body and challenging his body over the last few weeks. one of the last paparazzi photos taken of matthew was on october third as he exited a gym. so i know that there is speculation in regards to his past and, you know, could he could some of those demons have come back to haunt him when it comes to addiction? but he over the last year or so, i'd say two years now, was very proud of his sobriety, promoted his sobriety and was focussed on being better physically and mentally. >> police are being encouraged

to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to track down known offenders. policing minister chris philp says the technology could be used to scan more than 200,000 images, matching them against the police database. he's also encouraging officers to expand the use of live facial recognition so offenders might be identified on the spot. mr philp says it will allow police to stay one step ahead of criminals and make britain's streets safer . britain's streets safer. meanwhile the number of police who've been sacked for misconduct is up by 70, with around 100 losing their jobs in the last 12 months, metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley says the number is likely to increase this as the force cracks down on those who are unfit to serve . a us tech unfit to serve. a us tech entrepreneur says the nhs backlog cannot be resolved without technological innovation. alex cobb , the chief innovation. alex cobb, the chief executive and co—founder of plant, which is bidding to win a

contract to provide ai software for to the health service, he says the use of ai in health care would speed up systems and improve life expectancy. that comes as nhs waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by next summer . scotland's refugees next summer. scotland's refugees minister is asking the uk government for urgent funding to help communities house migrants . help communities house migrants. emma roddick supports the government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and she says tackling a backlog in cases should be a priority. but she warns that shifting the financial burden onto local authorities would be unacceptable and reckless . unacceptable and reckless. immigration minister robert jenrick said this week that the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months as and finally in sport, there was controversy last night when heavyweight champion tyson fury recovered from being knocked down, winning a split decision against newcomer francis ngannou

, the 37 year old mma fighter in ghana put fury on the canvas in round three after connecting with a left hook. but while one judge scored it in favour of ngannou, two of the judges gave it to fury . his victory means a it to fury. his victory means a bout with fellow heavyweight champion oleksandr usyk remains on line . this is a gb news on the line. this is a gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . play gb news. now it's back to. emily thank you, tatiana, and welcome to gb news sunday. >> so the israeli military have said that their forces are expanding ground operations in gaza while their fighter jets have struck hundreds more hamas targets telephone and internet communications have been partially restored in gaza today after more than a day long blackout that had badly impacted rescue operations israel rescue operations as israel continued its bombardment of targets of the hamas group.

however thousands in gaza have broken into aid depots in a worrying sign of civil disorder order starting to break down, according to a un relief agency , according to a un relief agency, hamas calls for a ceasefire grow , including from pope francis, who also appealed to hamas for a release of hostages. well, we can now cross over to tel aviv to get an update from our homeland security editor, mark white. mark, the discussion over here is dominated by calls for a ceasefire. they seem to be ramping up, certainly in volume. can you bring us the latest from where you are . where you are. >> well, there's absolutely no sign of a ceasefire and there's no way that israel at this stage would ever agree to that. it's determined to go after hamas to take out hamas, to degrade it and ultimately destroy it. you know, for three weeks, people have been wondering when the ground war will begin . will it ground war will begin. will it has begun. okay it's not the ground war that a lot of people

were expecting with tens of thousands of troops and tanks going through that border fence and into gaza. it is more in the way of larger scale or smaller scale, i should say, incursions into various areas around the northern gaza strip. but that is undennay. and as we speak , there undennay. and as we speak, there are israeli forces in the northern gaza strip. they've pushed in a few miles into the northern gaza strip . the israeli northern gaza strip. the israeli flag has been hoisted from a building in one of the communities there , the first communities there, the first time in many years that an israeli flag has been seen in the gaza strip . and that will, the gaza strip. and that will, of course , stoke its own resent of course, stoke its own resent moment and emotions. and in fact , we've seen multiple rockets coming out of the gaza strip again today , headed for numerous again today, headed for numerous communities, particularly around the gaza strip. but even where we are further north in tel aviv

, large rocket barrage a few hours ago with reports that some rocket fragments had smashed into the ground in a place called rishon leziyyon, which is on the southern outskirts of gaza. on the southern outskirts of gaza . now off tel aviv, i should gaza. now off tel aviv, i should say, of tel aviv . say, of tel aviv. >> can i just ask you another question with regards to a ceasefire, because we've had very prominent politicians in this country and of course, abroad and masses of the public calling for a ceasefire was it would that look like you say it's in possible considering israel and its determination to crush hamas, would that essentially mean israel putting down their weapons and then what would hamas do . would hamas do. >> well, that's what those calling for a broader ceasefire. safire absolutely want. they want an end to israel's operation and to the targeting of hamas targets in gaza . but

of hamas targets in gaza. but that differs from what the uk, the us . the us. >> oh, have we lost mark there ? >> oh, have we lost mark there? this is mark white still with us. oh, mark, sorry. i thought you were continuing to speak there. i thought we'd lost you . there. i thought we'd lost you. yes. so we've heard sort of mixed reports as well. and i just want to get to the truth of this . we had ellen levi, who's this. we had ellen levi, who's the israeli government spokesperson, talking out, speaking out very vocally about what is going on in terms of in israel's action in gaza. now, a question of whether israel has cut off electro city to gaza . he cut off electro city to gaza. he said that actually hamas shot down the power lines. this was not israel cutting off electricity . so what is the electricity. so what is the truth behind all of these competing claims. >> well, i mean, who knows? in the fog of war, i certainly don't know. but i know that mark regev, who is the spokesman for

israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, did say that it was standard practise in conflicts around the world, that troops going in would often seek to cut off the communication or disrupt the communications of the enemy that it's not an admission that israel was involved in doing that. he was asked actually , are that. he was asked actually, are you saying that they've cut off? he said, i didn't say that, but he did say it was standard practise. so it's possible the israelis did it. it's possible that perhaps hamas were responsible for targeting accidentally. one of their own communication nodes. it might be a mixture of both. what we know at this time is that communications are being restored to gaza and to be honest, i'm not sure how much difference it actually would have made on the ground to those hamas fighters anyway, if israel had deliberately cut off communication lines, because what we're told is that there is

a very sophisticated actually not sophisticated, but a very tried and tested , tested tried and tested, tested communication system within the tunnels that they're operating on. and that's hardwired and closed circuit land lines running right through these hundreds of miles of tunnels so they can speak to each other. and they're still coordinated ping and they're still coordinated ping every time they pop up and launch these attacks towards israel . so they're very clearly israel. so they're very clearly specifically coordinated because you've got multiple sites launching those rockets towards places like tel aviv at exactly the same time. now, they could be doing that at a set interval, but it's more likely that they're actually in direct communication with each other . communication with each other. and then the only way you deal with that with that ultimately is for israel to get down and into those tunnels and to blow up those tunnels, to take on those hamas fighters in

effectively hand to hand combat at. but then, of course, you've got the added issue of the now 230 hostages that they know about being held by hamas . about being held by hamas. >> and mark, just very lastly , >> and mark, just very lastly, where are we in terms of humanity , korean aid and also humanity, korean aid and also reports that people are breaking into aid centres within gaza in a in well , in desperation, a in well, in desperation, searching for vital supplies. do you have any intel on that situation? an >> well, there's no doubt the situation on the ground is dire. there have as far as we know, been no aid trucks in today. and that was promised yesterday with the israeli defence forces saying that the aid operation would be stepped up across that rafah crossing from egypt into gaza. there's only 80 trucks have come in in recent days that would normally be 400 trucks coming in on any given day. so no aid supplies are running low.

there's no doubt about that . i there's no doubt about that. i think what we saw overnight and into this morning with the storming of that warehouse and some other distribution centres in gaza, was in part brought about by this breakdown in communications because the un were not able to communicate directly with their aid workers on the ground to coordinate the relief effort. then those suppues relief effort. then those supplies stopped for a while and that i think, added a bit to the panic in the community, which meant that thousands of people were smashing the gates down in this main warehouse as well. >> thank you very much for bringing us the very latest. marc white, our security editor, live from tel aviv. i put quite a few questions to him just to get a grasp of what exactly is going on and what we do and don't know. as we know, there's huge amounts of conflicting information out there. so it's good speak security good to speak to our security editor there , marc white. but in

editor there, marc white. but in the studio now, i have david kirton with me who'll be joining me for the rest of the show. he is the leader of the heritage party of course. now, i started off with the demand for a ceasefire . we're seeing this ceasefire. we're seeing this across the west. and of course, the arab world, too. mark seemed to suggest that that is an impossibility . impossibility. >> well, i've called for a ceasefire as well. i think that's the humanitarian thing to do. but, you know, whether that's going to have any effect on the ground, don't know. on the ground, i don't know. it's something i think it's just something i think obviously what happened on the 7th of october horrific. it 7th of october was horrific. it was attack by hamas. was a terrorist attack by hamas. nobody deserved killed or nobody deserved to be killed or anything happened anything that happened to the people was deserved in people there was not deserved in any at all. but people are any way at all. but people are looking at what's happening now with israel saying that they're targeting hamas, there targeting hamas, but there is huge collateral damage, obviously, and depending on who you listen to, it's you don't know whether it's 4000, 5000, 7000, 10,000 people have been killed, including adding thousands of children and i think people are very, very

concerned about that. >> i guess the counter to that is that not only did hamas launch this deadly terror attack , this massacre on israel , but , this massacre on israel, but they have embedded the hamas headquarters and their hamas targets within the civilian population. so how are israel supposed to eliminate hamas, their enemy in this situation , their enemy in this situation, even without, unfortunately and so sadly, civilian casualties? >> yeah, that's exactly right. they are using the people of palestine, the people of gaza, as a human shield. but then if you go in and you try to get, you go in and you try to get, you know, target, i don't know how many hamas fighters there are a few thousand. how many are you to kill? mean, how you going to kill? i mean, how many acceptable ? 10,000, many is acceptable? 10,000, 100,000. million? yeah where 100,000. 2.2 million? yeah where do you stop? yeah. >> and i think the question is the practicality of what a ceasefire would mean. so if israel, some alternative israel, in some alternative universe said, okay, we'll put down our weapons, well then , down our weapons, well then, david, what happens next? hamas certainly aren't going to stop in their plans. they're continuing to bombard israel. will they put down their weapons

or hamas actually regroup or will hamas actually regroup and plan their next terror attack ? well, of course, these attack? well, of course, these are the questions, the call for are the questions, the call for a ceasefire is to both sides for israel to stop bombing gaza because collateral because of the collateral damage, including to thousands of children . of children. >> a call on hamas to >> it's also a call on hamas to stop sending rockets into israel to and release the hostages as well. know , some well. you know, at some point, somebody to have to somebody is going to have to lose face in order to bring this to an end. othennise, the alternative is, you know, someone people. someone kills a thousand people. then side kills 5000. then the other side kills 5000. then the other side kills 5000. the side kills more, and the other side kills more, and then it just escalates and escalates. and where does it end? >> yeah. do you think that israel is at risk of losing the pr war in terms of the global reaction now to their bombardment of gaza? wrong or rightly? there is a huge swelling of support for the palestine indian people. some of that, unfortunately , may be that, unfortunately, may be support for hamas and their intentions, but a vast swathe of people are looking at the horror that they see in gaza, looking at lives being lost and are

coming down firmly on the side of the palestinian people. yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> i mean, in the war situation, i mean, this is a war situation. both sides are going to put out pr and propaganda. this is part of the information war that is fought around the actual war. and yet there's already be a huge support for palestine all over the world, especially in obviously, the muslim world. but in the west, there are many, many people , many muslims here, many people, many muslims here, and they will naturally support the palestinian people because they see them as fellow muslims. i mean, that's understandable. so yeah, the pr war is being fought and i think you look at the difference between the number of people in the pro—palestine marches , the pro—palestine marches, the pro—israel marches in london and other places there are far, far more people coming out in the pro—palestine marches. you can see that in counting the numbers of people who are there. so that's yes, the numbers certainly are there . certainly are there. >> well, we'll be coming on to the pro—palestine protest

because, of course, they were once again in london and across the uk yesterday. but you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carr. well lots more coming news sunday with me, emily carr. welyes, lots more coming news sunday with me, emily carr. welyes, we'll lots more coming news sunday with me, emily carr. welyes, we'll be)ts more coming news sunday with me, emily carr. welyes, we'll be discussingming news sunday with me, emily carr. welyes, we'll be discussing theg up. yes, we'll be discussing the pro—palestine protests . has pro—palestine protests. has the israel conflict exposed israel hamas conflict exposed deep divisions in this country ? deep divisions in this country? as you can see there, a statue being defaced. we'll debate that next. you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel

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>> good afternoon. welcome to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv, online and digital radio. now we're going to be turning to what happenedin going to be turning to what happened in london yesterday. there were, of course, mass protests. once thousands protests. once again, thousands of pro—palestinian protesters took to the streets to protest israel's bombardment of gaza in the ongoing war with hamas. demonstrators clashed with the police. several videos have circulated on social media showing protesters climbing on statues former prime statues of former prime ministers. that's in parliament square, letting off flares and others performing the call to prayer front the cenotaph. prayer in front of the cenotaph. earlier morning. i'm asking earlier this morning. i'm asking , has this conflict exposed deep divisions in britain ? joining me divisions in britain? joining me now is rafe heydel—mankoo , a now is rafe heydel—mankoo, a historian and one of our favourites here on gb news. ralph, thank you very much for joining me. i put that question in to you directly. has the conflict that we're seeing in the middle east and how it's playing out in this country, doesit playing out in this country, does it reflect or has it exposed deep divisions in our

society ? society? >> it has undoubted . i mean, the >> it has undoubted. i mean, the fissures of tension that we've seen recently . we have been seen recently. we have been present for a long, long time. but it's actually incidents like this or as we saw recently in leicester with a text between muslims and hindus. it takes those sorts of moments to actually make people, i think, sit up and realise just what a problem we have. you know, barely a week goes past when you don't have a mayor or a police commissioner saying that trite banality, that diversity is our greatest strength. well if anything of the last two weeks have shown it's not our greatest strength. in fact, diversity is our greatest dilemma . and when our greatest dilemma. and when you combine it with the policies of mass immigration and multiculturalism is actually one of our greatest weaknesses. and all of the sociologue ethical and economic research actually backs that up. you know, in 2019, there was a study done in holland that looked at all 87 sociological and economic papers

on diversity, and they all showed that increased diversity leads to a lack of trust. it erodes confidence , it erodes erodes confidence, it erodes civic engagement , particularly civic engagement, particularly on the community and the local level. it's something that we really need to address. things are at a point now where we need to start . stop saying are at a point now where we need to start. stop saying all of these trite romantic statements like diversity is a strength and acknowledge the reality we can see all around us today. >> now, ralph, you paint a pretty bleak picture, which i'm sure lot viewers and sure a lot of our viewers and listeners will agree with you on. but can be on. sadly but can there be a sense of optimism to do you have hope that our nation can heal its divides? is there a hope for multicolour rural britain that we can live harmonious ? lee well we can live harmonious? lee well , well, there's multiculturalism and multiracial ism are two different things, and that's one of the problems. >> you know, i gave a speech on this to the new culture forum just earlier this month about theissue just earlier this month about the issue of whether diversity is our greatest strength. but you know, when i speak about this, braverman this, when suella braverman speak we often get

speak about this, we often get people on the left saying, well, aren't suella aren't you and suella just poster children for how successful multiculturalism is? well, we're products well, no, because we're products of a multiracial society and we were born into the very successful late 20th century multiracial britain, which advanced a monoculture of britain. people were free to celebrate their own cultures at home, but there was one predominant culture. what we've seen over the last 25 years is a promotion of minority cultures over the dominant british culture. and unfortunately , culture. and unfortunately, because of that, we've seen many problems arising with with cultural practises that are actually completely abhorrent to our own way of life here in britain. that needs to be addressed and we need to have an honest adult conversation about this than trying this rather than just trying to rush things under the carpet because we can see where that gets us now. because we can see where that get now, low. because we can see where that get now, ray, if we've seen the >> now, ray, if we've seen the defacement during defacement of statues during this , which of course is this process, which of course is deeply unfortunate , but a lot of deeply unfortunate, but a lot of our viewers be concerned, our viewers will be concerned, looking fonnard to remembrance day, which is in two saturdays time . we've seen the cenotaph

time. we've seen the cenotaph was the centre of one of the pro—palestine protests. this is going to be difficult for the police if the protests continue to be organised on saturdays . to be organised on saturdays. >> yes. no, you're quite right. well, the police need to ensure that priority is actually given to remembrance sunday and you know, as i saw the protest yesterday down whitehall, i couldn't help but think, you know, of the good number of second world war veterans who are actually alive and are actually still alive and they their fallen comrades they and their fallen comrades fought to defend freedoms, including the freedom to protest. and as you say , in two protest. and as you say, in two weeks, going to weeks, they're going to be marching past the marching down whitehall past the statue of field marshal haig. that was vandalised. and, you know, they'll be forgiven for wondering, actually the wondering, is this actually the britain that are that they britain that we are that they fought to defend so much ? fought to defend so much? because we're now routinely seeing this happening. we're routinely seeing our capital city overtaken by vast city being overtaken by vast numbers of people who actually loathe britain and the west . and loathe britain and the west. and i'm not referring to all the protesters because obviously i'm not referring to all the protes people:ause obviously i'm not referring to all the protes people are e obviously i'm not referring to all the protes people are they're usly many people are they're genuinely out concern for the

genuinely out of concern for the plight those gaza. and my plight of those in gaza. and my heart goes out heart also goes out unequivocally to all those who are suffering who are palestinian. no palestinian. but make no mistake, numbers of those mistake, vast numbers of those people were protesting people who were protesting yesterday are motivated by yesterday are not motivated by concern for palestine. they're primarily out of primarily motivated out of hatred for israel and the west. and also more broadly for britain. >> well, thank you very much indeed for your insight, rafe heydel—mankoo , who is a very heydel—mankoo, who is a very good historian indeed. well, with me in the studio is , of with me in the studio is, of course, david curtin and the journalist and broadcaster benjamin buttennorth. benjamin, i'll turn to you first. we covered quite a lot there with ralph. ralph is clearly deeply concerned about what these protests have highlighted in terms of how fragile sometimes our society is. do you share those concerns? >> no, not in the way that he does. i think there's a special place in hell reserved for people that benefit from immigration. for example, as i know, he's talked about his parents being immigrants on this channel before and then tried to pull ladder up other pull the ladder up for other people. deeply

people. i think that's deeply selfish i was surprised. selfish and i was surprised. >> said there's a space >> you just said there's a space in hell for rafe heydel—mankoo for people that that benefit from others. >> like whether you're gay or a woman or an immigrant. when people improve issues people that improve those issues and want to pull the and then they want to pull the ladder that's ladder up, i think that's a deeply selfish way to behave. and i was quite surprised to see him question like that him bring a question like that into people into the marches of people supporting or palestine or supporting gaza or palestine or the people, because the palestinians people, because i don't think that what they represent is in any way hating britain or the west. now look, i'm inclined to israel's i'm more inclined to israel's sympathies than palestine's on this issue, but but many of those people are out of their of genuine concern of a political view, which is perfectly legitimate , which is shared by legitimate, which is shared by lots of people around the world. and the idea that it is some cultural threat to us that they feel this that they're feel this way and that they're going to protest, think going out to protest, i think quite opposite. right quite the opposite. their right to to be disruptive to protest and to be disruptive is a british not even is a british value, not even when you flags of islamist when you see flags of islamist groups on central london or when you see chants of jew hatred and

but those are crimes and they should be crimes. but i think the idea that that is most of the idea that that is most of the people on the marchers of the people on the marchers of the scale of the one that we saw yesterday is just unreasonable. well, there are very well, you know, there are very few there, but there are few jews there, but there are also jewish people. there are lots white british people as lots of white british people as well as people from the parts where come where their families come from, the like the parts of the world like palestine. and the idea that palestine. and so the idea that it's some kind of representation of multiculturalism failing, i think . think is quite wrong. >> hope you're right, >> well, i hope you're right, benjamin david, it's very benjamin david, it's a very strange thing because we have all these conflicts around all of these conflicts around the world. >> only and >> this isn't the only one. and there's conflicts in kashmir. >> there's a conflict in kurdistan, have people in kurdistan, and we have people in this country going out on marches regularly to support either side in many , many of either side in many, many of these different conflicts around these different conflicts around the world. >> this wouldn't be happening if we hadn't had mass rapid immigration over the last 30 or 40 years. so there is a factor that this is causing this to happen, which wouldn't happen othennise. i do othennise. but, you know, i do agree, when people agree, obviously, when people are they have the free are here, they have the free speech protest peacefully

speech to protest peacefully about want. about whatever they want. but what disturbs me is the criminal damage going on, the vandalism, the disrespect of people climbing on top of statues of former prime ministers and on the cenotaph and waving flares and, you know, actually defacing the plinth that they're on. i think that is absolutely disgusting . and, you know, the disgusting. and, you know, the police are just standing around watching this happen. maybe they're taking videos of them so they're taking videos of them so they can arrest them later. but i think really something needs to be done to stop this display of disrespect happening with in the wider peaceful protests . the wider peaceful protests. >> yes, i walked through parliament square yesterday on the way back from from another event and i did see a couple of protesters clambering on top of road signs, not road signs, traffic lights and using these coloured flares like this . and coloured flares like this. and the police didn't take any action. ian, why do you suppose thatis? action. ian, why do you suppose that is? well the first thing i'd say is that clearly that's idiotic and probably illegal.

>> and but, you know, you do see that happen at protests of almost every description, right? that you get people taking it too far, not not knowing to how behave. i know that the police i think the met police have said that the reason they haven't been were only been arresting, there were only nine the protest nine arrests in the protest yesterday. i yesterday. now, clearly, i highly were only highly doubt there were only nine illegal nine examples of illegal activity there. but the reason is because they say it's dangerous in and arrest dangerous to go in and arrest someone a someone that's maybe doing a terrorist sympathising chant because scale of because of the sheer scale of people there that might be on their side and not the police's side. so they say they're collecting to collecting intelligence to review now i want a review it later. now i want a cop out. good good, good pun. i'd question how successful that will be given that what we saw a couple of weeks ago was two women with paragliding cartoons on back, which assume on their back, which you assume was related the paragliding was related to the paragliding terrorists started this. terrorists that started this. and they had to put out a public appeal to try and work out who they are. the fact that they didn't think to arrest them, that struggled to find them that they struggled to find them makes me unconvinced. do makes me unconvinced. they'll do it or thousands of others.

>> not hopeful, but we'll come back to this. you're watching and listening news sunday and listening to gb news sunday with carver. we've got with me, emily carver. we've got plenty the plenty more coming up on the show we'll discuss keir show today. we'll discuss keir starmer's conundrum over his stance labour mutiny. stance on israel labour mutiny. some calling it. but first, some are calling it. but first, here's the . news here's the. news >> good afternoon. 133. this is the latest from the newsroom . the latest from the newsroom. some communications have been restored in gaza after a blackout severely impacted yesterday's rescue efforts. israeli forces are expanding ground operations in gaza , but ground operations in gaza, but the united nations warns that civil order is starting to fade , civil order is starting to fade, with reports of people breaking into aid centres and warehouses into aid centres and warehouses in a desperate search for vital supplies. despite assurances that aid trucks will be allowed in the un says supplies are insufficient . last night, insufficient. last night, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu said the second stage of war with hamas has begun and warned of a long and difficult campaign ahead . the gaza health

campaign ahead. the gaza health ministry said this morning just over 8000 people have been killed . sir keir starmer is killed. sir keir starmer is unlikely to sack anyone for disagreeing with labour's position on israel. that's according to the shadow science secretary, peter carr says the party's leadership will continue engaging with senior figures despite disagreements with the party's official stance . sir party's official stance. sir keir has echoed the un's call for a humanitarian pause in fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza . but many in allowed into gaza. but many in the party want him to go further and back. a ceasefire . the and back. a ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry's star of the legendary sitcom friends has died at the age of 54. he became a household name as the dry and witty chandler bing alongside jennifer aniston. lisa kudrow and others. the enormous success of friends made it an icon of 90s popular culture. it ran for ten seasons in the final episode was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. warner bros. said in a

statement that his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many . for more on the hearts of many. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gb news.com all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com . visit our website, gb news.com. >> now something different for you . former conservative you. former conservative minister and party chairman jake berry sits down with gloria de piero for an extremely moving interview. he shares for the first time how his son milo , first time how his son milo, six, is living with autism. you're watching and listening to . gb news. >> jake berry, conservative mp. since 2010, former cabinet minister. i guess the objective of these interviews is that people in politics have exactly the same challenges as many other people in in the country. so i want to talk to you about

something we talked about privately , but you're now privately, but you're now willing to talk about with me to raise awareness . i want to ask raise awareness. i want to ask you about your son, milo. tell me about his condition. >> gloria thanks for having me on. but, you know, we've talked about this and i've always been quite reticent. but i think people should be in public life actually to talk about their family. it really following family. but it really following the covid lockdowns, we've seen such explosion of children such an explosion in of children with special educational needs andits with special educational needs and it's such a battle for parents. i feel compelled to speak out about it because , as speak out about it because, as you know, having done my job yourself , if you know, having done my job yourself, if mps are there to help people and it feels like even with all of that benefit that you've got of being an mp as a parent, itjust feels like as a parent, it just feels like this isn't an issue that's being talked about and there isn't the right support out there. so my son milo is six. he he's diagnosed with autism autism spectrum disorder , where he

spectrum disorder, where he doesn't talk. he's nonverbal and i just, you know, i doesn't talk. he's nonverbal and ijust, you know, i know doesn't talk. he's nonverbal and i just, you know, i know as a parent how difficult that is. and so all your viewers who may have children or grandchildren or people they know who are sort of going through particularly the early stages of getting that diagnosis, i think it's really important that we talk about it. >> he doesn't talk . >> he doesn't talk. >> he doesn't talk. >> no. i mean, he will say the odd word, but and it's really hard if you've got a child, you can't communicate it with. but he's an amazing little boy. you know, he is an amazing little boy. and i've got three children. love all of them. children. i love all of them. but he is something really special. but what i really wanted on say is wanted to come on and say is that when you're so you start to nofice that when you're so you start to notice that your child isn't developing the way it should and everyone's kind, so there everyone's so kind, so there around you and they say, no, of course, children all speak at different ages. of course they walk weaned and they walk, talk, get weaned and they all too. but everyone just all do too. but everyone just tells you it's okay. but as a parent, you come to the point,

you go, i know it's not. and you then start on this journey of what's wrong with with my child . what's wrong with with my child. and, and when you get that diagnosis , the first thing is diagnosis, the first thing is it's almost like a relief because you say, oh, you know, i'm not i'm not going crazy. you know, there is an explanation about why my child isn't developing the same as other people's children. but then from there and i know your viewers, i want to say this because i know your viewers will be going through it now. it's like a grieving process . yes. for the grieving process. yes. for the child that you thought that you were going to have, which may not be there anymore. and i don't blame anyone else for feeling like that, because that's exactly how i felt. and then you sort of hit the internet . and then as a parent, internet. and then as a parent, you think , well, what's going to you think, well, what's going to happen to him when i'm not here? or have i put a huge burden on my other two children that they'll have to carry a

completely unintentionally for the rest of their life ? and the rest of their life? and that's why that that there's a brief feeling of relief. i know what's wrong. but then i think as a parent, you go into this spiral of , you know, grief. spiral of, you know, grief. i think is the and despair and why i wanted to come on today is because we've been through that. my wife and i, and we've come out the other side of it. and i want to talk mainly today about the hope that is on the other side . but it's very, very it's a side. but it's very, very it's a very , very difficult time for very, very difficult time for people. tell me about the hope. >> tell me what you have learned and what might be useful for anybody, the parents that are in anybody, the parents that are in a similar situation to you to learn from your experience. >> well, so when we first got the diagnosis that we got busy. was that so late 2019, early 2020. so milo would have been three and a half, four. it's quite early, but when we first got that diagnosis , people have

got that diagnosis, people have really busy lives. so you know, my wife is just about to have another baby. i was a minister in boris johnson's government. i was northern powerhouse minister and my wife , well, the first and my wife, well, the first thing sort of very shortly after that, i resigned from government , not just solely linked to this , but also linked to the fact that my wife had quite bad postnatal depression . but i sort postnatal depression. but i sort of made a decision which i hope many of the parents watching would would also make is that you cannot know where your child will end up when they're 18. you can't know when they're 4 or 5 years old. but what i do know for certain is i can't get in a time machine when they are 18 and go back to when they're four and go back to when they're four and do it all over again. so the reason i've resigned from government is because i personally decided like every other parent would, i'm going to do everything i can to try and change what could be the

trajectory for my child that was just as when lockdown came in, the first lockdown and my wife reacted in a slightly different way. her sort of approach was she sort of almost wanted to hide from the world, which i don't blame her for. and she had she just had a baby . and we she just had a baby. and we ended up over a home that my ended up over in a home that my family we own over in family owns. we own over in wales. and . then at the same wales. and. then at the same time, just after lockdown came in, my wife was admitted to hospital as well with some post—birth complication. but she was in seven weeks. so that was in for seven weeks. so that for me was the darkest hour because there. i had three because i was there. i had three infant children. i was driving to hospital every day because my wife was expressing milk in hospital for our two week old daughter. and . that was the sort daughter. and. that was the sort of period. so everyone had a difficult time during lockdown that was really, really difficult. and sort of almost by by accident, i ended up not being at home and being away

with her for lockdown . we got with her for lockdown. we got massively criticised being in the media, we got massively criticised for it and i think , criticised for it and i think, you know, i just challenge anyone what would you do if your wife was 150 miles away and she was going to be admitted to hospital and you had three infant children, including a two week baby ? and that's, you week old baby? and that's, you know, i wanted to set the know, i just wanted to set the record straight about that because one of the real because i think one of the real and i spoke earlier about the danger of talking about family life politics. well, life and politics. well, the real that think is real thing is that i think is the biggest burden the the biggest burden in the family. you know this family. and you all know this yourself, having in the yourself, having been in the frontline i get paid to frontline in is i get paid to take the flak , if you and take the flak, if you like. and my family don't. and that's why i've thought so much about doing this interview because now as we're coming towards an election that having spent eight weeks, three years ago over in wales dunng three years ago over in wales during lockdown, is being weaponised by my political opponents against my wife, my family really against, you know, the situation. we found ourselves in. and that's another

reason to talk out about this, because , you know, i don't because, you know, i don't i don't i think that is not the way to behave. >> has it made you has it made you wonder whether you want to stay in politics? >> no , because i don't think >> no, because i don't think politics is about that. i don't think politics is about the smear. you and i found each other on the different side of the house. there's lots we disagreed about. but we do it because we want to make people's lives and what i lives better. and that's what i did. but on that point of making people's lives better, that's why today i'm calling for all of my colleagues in the house of commons to start doing much more to support families with children with special educational needs. and it's because once your child is diagnosed, you have that feeling of it was combined with of grief. it was combined with all other things that all sorts of other things that were happening in my life, including my mother dying during the lockdown. so no the second lockdown. so no matter how bad it is, when you've got that darker it you've got that darker hour, it gets better . and for us, it

gets better. and for us, it started getting better when we got one of these educational health plans for my son, milo . health plans for my son, milo. hcp, as it's known . and then the hcp, as it's known. and then the state kind of kicks in to support you. and that makes a huge difference. but that is probably going through that process is the hardest thing i've ever done. i trained as a lawyer in the city of london. my wife's a graduate. we did it together . so not only was it together. so not only was it almost impossible just to fill the form because it was so complicated , but it was soul complicated, but it was soul destroying because you'd get it back and the things it would say about your child , either you about your child, either you couldn't or didn't want to recognise. so, for example, it would say for milo , he is a four would say for milo, he is a four year old, five year old child. he has the cognitive ability , he has the cognitive ability, the ability to speak and process information of a six month old baby. information of a six month old baby . he's a information of a six month old baby. he's a lot information of a six month old baby . he's a lot better now, but baby. he's a lot better now, but you know that as a parent, just rips you. it just rips you

insides out. and that's why, as a member of parliament in rossendale and dannen, i started now doing these support fairs for parents who are going through that process because every one in politics, whether it's a councillor, a member of parliament or a lot of the brilliant charities that work in this area, they do it because they want to help, help people. and there's huge help out there. so my message would be be when you're in that darkest hour, you're in that darkest hour, you're not alone for own your mp because they want to help you no matter what party they're from, they want to help you. and you can get great support on that journey. >> how has going through this process changed you? if it has changed you well, do you know what? >> it's made me a better human being. and the reason it's made me a better human being is because milo doesn't talk. you don't know if he's looking fonnard to anything. so i can say, well, to the park say, well, go to the park tomorrow and. and i don't know if he knows, but then when you get there, more so than any of

my other two kids, the joy he takes in the moment of being there is extraordinary . and what there is extraordinary. and what he has taught me and we all do this in life is we're always what's next, what , what, what what's next, what, what, what what's next, what, what, what what do we want to do next? what what do we want to do next? what what what are we planning? where are we going? a holiday, whatever is, the biggest whatever it is, the biggest lesson he has taught and why lesson he has taught me and why he's a blessing is to take he's such a blessing is to take joy in every moment in the way he and i think i'm so , so he does. and i think i'm so, so grateful to have him as my son and those lessons that he's taught me . taught me. >> jake barry by speaking openly and i can tell it's been an emotional experience for you. me too. but you'll help other parents in the same situation as you and that ending about living in the moment and milo teaching you how to live in that moment is incredibly powerful. way to

end that interview. thank you . end that interview. thank you. >> that was gloria de piero interviewing jake berry, a very emotional interview. if you want to watch more from gloria, lots of interviews are available on our youtube channel. you're watching and listening to gb news. we're going to discuss keir starmer's conundrum over his stance on israel in just one moment. this is gb news britain's

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six till 930. >> welcome back. now the israel—hamas war is slowly but surely becoming a little bit of a headache for sir keir and numerous prominent mps elected mayors and hundreds of councillors have piled on the pressure on the labour leadership to back calls for a ceasefire . so far he has not ceasefire. so far he has not said that he does so. sadiq khan, andy burnham and anas sannar have all advocate for starmer to change his pro—israel stance towards backing a ceasefire . now the far left ceasefire. now the far left corbynite labour mp for middlesbrough, andy mcdonald , middlesbrough, andy mcdonald, delivered a speech at the rally yesterday in which he made clear his position let there be no his position. let there be no mistake about it, israel is committing war crimes against palestinians on an unprecedented scale . scale. >> all and it pains my heart that 75 years on from the nakba , that 75 years on from the nakba, we're seeing another nakba play out before us. it is time for

political leaders everywhere to call out these crimes again . call out these crimes again. humanity and in insist that international law be upheld and demand an immediate effort comprehensively binding ceasefire . to. ceasefire. to. >> well, there we go. that was one labour mp . mp of the one labour mp. mp of the corbynite variety at the rally yesterday, making his position very clear indeed on what's going on in israel and gaza . so going on in israel and gaza. so i want to discuss this with my panel i want to discuss this with my panel. i'm bringing back benjamin buttennorth and david kurten to discuss this . now. kurten to discuss this. now. benjamin, how big is this challenge to keir starmer's authority ? authority? >> i think it's probably the biggest that he's faced this side of covid because it's not as straightfonnard as left and right within the labour party. he's been that's been quite straightfonnard because there was a lot of labour mps that are desperate to win an election and willing to compromise. yeah, but on much more difficult

on this it's much more difficult because a significant because there's a significant proportion some proportion of the vote in some of mp that are of these mp seats that are muslim votes or people from the from the muslim world. and so he has this problem because on the one it's been absolutely one hand, it's been absolutely essential his leadership to essential to his leadership to get past the anti—semitism and the discomfort and anger that the discomfort and anger that the jewish community felt with the jewish community felt with the labour party. and he's gone out of his way to try and remedy that problem. and i think he's clearly made a lot of progress. but now he's got issue that but now he's got this issue that by continuing along that path on the israel stance and clearly any people very any most jewish people feel very strongly shouldn't strongly that there shouldn't be a ceasefire, israel should a ceasefire, that israel should defend he's now landed defend itself. he's now landed himself a problem with much himself in a problem with a much bigger constituency voters himself in a problem with a much bigtheconstituency voters himself in a problem with a much bigthe labour|ency voters himself in a problem with a much bigthe labour party voters himself in a problem with a much bigthe labour party , voters himself in a problem with a much bigthe labour party , and ers himself in a problem with a much bigthe labour party , and is for the labour party, and i think that's why he is currently not answering the question when he's asked about anti—mcdonald's speech, . the labour speech, there. the labour party says got nothing further says we've got nothing further to add. so they're clearly having a nightmare. >> keir starmer has >> yes. and keir starmer has been the media rounds on been on the media rounds on several outlets where he appears to be changing what he originally said about israel

having the right to implement a siege on gaza. but let's have a look at what's happened since this all kicked off. so a dozen frontbenchers have now defied his position on the israel gaza war. their demanding an immediate ceasefire, 250 councillors have written a pubuc councillors have written a public letter to him. dozens of councillors have issued similar ceasefire calls. 20 have resigned in protest that they've lost control of oxford council. now the pressure is mounting. >> yeah, and he's in big trouble and this is something that he probably never anticipated would happen because nobody expected this happen israel and this to happen with israel and palestine . but i would palestine. but yeah, i would imagine that there is a very, very big proportion of the members in the labour party who are muslim . i don't know are muslim. i don't know exactly, but maybe a quarter to a third. but in some of these areas in northern cities where there's been a lot of immigration of muslim communities in there like blackburn, oldham , rochdale, et blackburn, oldham, rochdale, et cetera. and even in some places in london, like tower hamlets,

he's losing councillors . he's in he's losing councillors. he's in big trouble. >> benjamin should we be concerned that we talked about muslim if they're a muslim voters as as if they're a homogenous but should we homogenous group? but should we be concerned that muslim voters may decide ? a politicians may well decide? a politicians view on this? >> i think you get lots of groups of voters where there's an ovennhelming view, right? you know, pensioners take very similar on economic similar views on economic issues, on immigration issues, on pensions . right. so not on pensions. right. so it's not so unusual. problem is that so unusual. the problem is that this one is heavily concentrated in now, the only in labour's vote. now, the only thing say is that while it's thing i'd say is that while it's a nightmare, i think it's a nightmare, i don't think it's going to have massive impact a nightmare, i don't think it's going tgeneral massive impact a nightmare, i don't think it's going tgeneral election.�* impact a nightmare, i don't think it's going tgeneral election. you)act on the general election. you look to 2005, you know, look back to 2005, you know, many muslims in this country were furious that the iraq war under a labour government with few they still voted few exceptions, they still voted labour and there isn't a real alternative. george galloway is probably nearest that's probably the nearest that's going whip up this and he's going to whip up this and he's he's not getting anywhere at the moment. well we heard from benjamin is benjamin netanyahu that this is not be a short lived not going to be a short lived war, although we hope it will be. >> but that's all we've got for this but don't worry. this hour. but don't worry. we've plenty more bring

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general election year? please do get in touch. send me your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com or send me message on our send me a message on our socials. at gb news. but socials. we're at gb news. but first, let's get the news headunes first, let's get the news headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> emily thank you. 2:01. this is the latest. some communication tools have been restored in gaza after a blackout severely impacted yesterday . days rescue efforts. yesterday. days rescue efforts. israeli forces are expanding ground operations in gaza, but the united nations warns that civil order is starting to fade with reports of people breaking into aid centres and warehouses into aid centres and warehouses in a desperate search for vital supplies. despite assurances that aid trucks will be allowed in, the un says supplies are insufficient. last night, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu said the second stage of war with hamas has begun. he warned of a long and difficult campaign ahead. the gaza health ministry said this morning just over 8000 people have been

killed . it's unlikely any labour killed. it's unlikely any labour mps will be sacked due to disagreements with the party's position on israel. that's according to the shadow science secretary, peter kyle says the party's leadership will probably continue engaging with frontbenchers , despite frontbenchers, despite disagreements with sir keir starmer . disagreements with sir keir starmer. he's disagreements with sir keir starmer . he's echoed the un's starmer. he's echoed the un's call for humanitarian pause in fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza . but many allowed into gaza. but many senior figures want him to go further and back. a ceasefire . further and back. a ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry, star of the legendary sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. >> forget hypnosis . the way to >> forget hypnosis. the way to quit smoking is you have to dance naked in a field of heather and then bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men . sweat of six healthy young men. >> or what my father calls thursday night. >> police were called to his home in los angeles, where his body was found unresponsive in a hot tub. he became a household name as the dry and witty chandler bing alongside jennifer aniston and lisa kudrow and

others. the enormous success of friends made it an icon of 90s popular culture. it ran for ten seasons in the final episode was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. warner brothers said in a statement. his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many . police are the hearts of many. police are being encouraged to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to track down known offenders. policing minister chris philp says the technology could be used to scan more than 200,000 images matching them against the police database. he's also encouraging officers to expand the use of live facial recognition. so offenders might be identified on the spot. mr philp says it will allow police to stay one step ahead of criminals and make britain's streets safer . meanwhile the streets safer. meanwhile the number of police who've been sacked for misconduct is up by 70, with about 100 losing their jobs in the last 12 months.

metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley says the number is likely to increase as the force cracks down on those who are unfit to serve . now how a us are unfit to serve. now how a us tech entrepreneur says the nhs backlog cannot be resolved without technological innovation . alex karp, the chief executive and co—founder of plant, which is bidding to win a contract to provide ai software to the health service . he says the use health service. he says the use of ai in health care would speed up systems and improve life expectancy. it comes as the nhs waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by next summer and finally, scotland's refugees minister is asking the uk government for urgent funding to help communities to house migrants. emma roddick supports the government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and says tackling a backlog in cases should be a priority . but cases should be a priority. but she warns that shifting the financial burden onto local authorities would be

unacceptable and reckless. immigration minister robert jenrick said this week that the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months as this is gb news across the uk on tv , in gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . emily >> thanks, tatiana . so the >> thanks, tatiana. so the israeli military have said that their forces are expanding ground operations in gaza while their fighter jets have struck hundreds more hamas targets. telephone and internet communications have been partially restored in gaza today. that's after more than a day long blackout that had badly impacted operations as impacted rescue operations as israel continued to pound targets of the militant hamas group . however. thousands in group. however. thousands in gaza broken into aid depots gaza have broken into aid depots in worrying of civil in a worrying sign of civil order starting to break down. that's according to a un relief agency. and mass calls for a ceasefire grow, including from

pope francis, who also appealed to hamas for a release of hostages. so we can now cross over to tel aviv to get an update from our home. and security editor mark white, who is there live in tel aviv. mark, thank you very much. the defence minister said yesterday for israel said we've moved into a new of the war. the ground new phase of the war. the ground in gaza shook tonight right ? in gaza shook tonight right? >> yes . so this in gaza shook tonight right? >> yes. so this is the ground war really , but not as we had war really, but not as we had anticipated that it would be with potential tens of thousands of troops and tanks spilling over that border. we're in the second phase and we are seeing signal vacant incursions into northern gaza with troops advancing some four miles into parts of northern gaza. they're still there and they are exchanging thing, small arms fire, mortar fire between positions. we know according to

the idf, that an idf officer sustained severe injuries yesterday and they were transferred by helicopter out to hospital . and another idf hospital. and another idf soldier also was injured. so thatis soldier also was injured. so that is continuing on. and all the while, of course , we're the while, of course, we're getting the aerial bombardment very significant in its expanse . very significant in its expanse. with some 450 combat jet strikes on hamas targets in gaza over the last 24 hours. >> the ceasefire are strengthening in volume from around the world, of course, arab nations. but out in the west, too, too. has israel said anything up to that point? presumably it's an impossibility, in their view . impossibility, in their view. >> well, israel said the only people to benefit from a ceasefire would be hamas because they would just continue their

attempts to attack israel. it would just allow them to dig in, to consolidate their positions, to consolidate their positions, to regroup and to continue to strike. i say regroup and continue to strike. they're already doing that every day. just as you were crossing to me there, we got another alert of rocket fire in to areas just around the gaza strip. they very regularly are firing these rockets across into communities around the gaza strip, but probably more aimed at the idf forces around the gaza strip as well. they still have significant capability there. and israel says its stated goal is to degrade and to eventually destroy hamas and to stop now would deny them the opportunity to do that. this terrorist group would simply regroup and then would simply regroup and then would be as big a threat as even would be as big a threat as ever. it is more than alive to the images that are going out around the world of the toll on

the civilian populace ocean. but again, it says this has been brought about by the cynical use of civilians as human shields , of civilians as human shields, by hamas putting their rocket launchers and other terrorist infrastructure in and around sensitive civilian sites . s like sensitive civilian sites. s like hospitals and mosques and schools and just in people's apartment blocks. and israel and going after them. they say that they do their utmost to alert they do their utmost to alert the civilian population. they carry out a procedure where they effectively knock on the door as they describe it. they put these percussion charges down that detonate a loud bang , and that detonate a loud bang, and that tells people that they've got minutes to evacuate a building and then the strikes come in. that's what they have done over a number of years now to try to limit the number of civilian casualties . but given the casualties. but given the intensity of the strikes here,

it's very difficult to see how anything is going to happen. it's set yet more in the way of civilian deaths and injuries. >> and mark, just very quickly, while i've got you, how concerned should we be that this conflict may fuel radicalisation in this country and heighten the threat of terrorism . threat of terrorism. >> i think very concerned . there >> i think very concerned. there is no doubt that the police and intelligence services in the uk are alive again to that threat coming from those that might wish to cause people harm. it doesn't take more than the tiniest percentage of those who are hamas supporters , others to are hamas supporters, others to be enraged enough to then go and carry out an attack for there to be significant issues . as we be significant issues. as we speak, the intelligence services and the police are monitoring those extremists that they know. but we also know that there are people who have been radicalised by isis and al—qaeda over the

years. and that happened very quickly, usually over the internet . so with all these internet. so with all these images coming out of the gaza strip and even the west bank, thatis strip and even the west bank, that is enough in itself. if the police know and the security services know to potentially radicalise people to the point very quickly that they want to go and enact that rage of theirs in a very destructive manner . in a very destructive manner. >> well, thank you very much indeed. our security editor, mark white there live from tel aviv, bringing us the very latest it. so joining me for the next hour in the studio is the leader of the heritage party, david kurten. and of course, benjamin buttennorth. like benjamin buttennorth. i'd like to your views really on what benjamin buttennorth. i'd like to white views really on what benjamin buttennorth. i'd like to white views may on what benjamin buttennorth. i'd like to white views r(say there. 1at benjamin buttennorth. i'd like to white views r(say there. we mark white had to say there. we first about, well, the first talked about, well, the current assault from the israeli defence forces onto the gaza. also the humanitarian crisis thatis also the humanitarian crisis that is unfolding on the gaza strip calls for a ceasefire and whether that's actually possible

or desirable. and then also the threat of home grown terrorism here as a result of this conflict. benjamin i won't let you take your pick of all that, but what were your your reaction to what mark white was saying there with regard to the terror threat in this country? >> yes, i think, you know, we have this before because have seen this before because the iraq the afghanistan and iraq invasions clearly had consequences for home grown terrorism. but i often don't like that being a reason to make our policy decisions because it feels like that allows terrorists and terrorist sympathisers to dictate our foreign policy and how we should behave. and i think if anything, is a lesson of what's been going on in israel and palestine and gaza , it's that if you gaza, it's that if you sympathise, if you try and meet in the middle with terrorists, then they will take advantage and think that should and i don't think that should be our foreign israel's . our foreign policy or israel's. >> david, our security >> yes, david, our security services working time. >> yeah, i think the threat of a new terror attack is very real because of what's happened here. are people people's emotions are

heightened at the moment on both sides. there are people suffering on both sides this . suffering on both sides of this. but there's a very, very big pro—palestinian this pro—palestinian caucus in this country. you see them out on the streets, most of them being peaceful. then of them, peaceful. but then some of them, you know , are shouting things you know, are shouting things which construed to be which could be construed to be inciting violence , inciting inciting violence, inciting crime and glorifying terrorism . crime and glorifying terrorism. so the next step from that is for people to actually then go and actually maybe do a terrorist themselves in terrorist attack themselves in this country. so the security services working services must be working overtime . that is big worry. overtime. that is a big worry. but, know, this is one of but, you know, this is one of the reasons i've called for the reasons why i've called for a ceasefire personally, because the reasons why i've called for adon'tefire personally, because the reasons why i've called for a don't want|ersonally, because the reasons why i've called for a don't want to ;onally, because the reasons why i've called for a don't want to see lly, because the reasons why i've called for a don't want to see any)ecause the reasons why i've called for adon't want to see any more;e i don't want to see any more suffering, any more slaughter on either side over there in the middle east. >> but is that call for a ceasefire from david? is that naive? benjamin i think it is because what would a ceasefire look like? >> i mean, white's actually >> i mean, mark white's actually explained it in your interview that do you think that if you stopped the war on gaza in gaza, that hamas would go? yes, okay. we're so sorry. it was a

terrible mistake of course they wouldn't. their entire existing stance, their explicit reason for being in creation is to destroy israel and the jewish people and all they would do is use that as time to regroup and attack . and i think that, you attack. and i think that, you know, it's easy for people sat in the comfort of britain to say, well, war is profoundly ugly and look at these atrocities that are going on. why don't you just stop it? well, for the reality of people in israel, which includes jews and arabs muslims and arabs and muslims and christians receiving end christians on the receiving end of happened in the 7th of of what happened in the 7th of october, either they will still be that severe danger. you be under that severe danger. you have to remove hamas and that means it's going to be pretty ugly. and we know because we learned recent that learned in recent days that hamas has put one of its bases under the hospital gaza. under the main hospital in gaza. i think that shows who is the seriously bad actor. and in my opinion, although they're far from perfect, it's not israel . from perfect, it's not israel. >> there are huge number of >> and there are huge number of people and people in this country and across west who don't across the west who don't believe anything that the israeli government put out . they

israeli government put out. they don't believe that the massacre even happened. i've seen people saying this online and it's deeply concerning because there is so much propaganda to going about. and it is hard for people to know what is and isn't true. and of course, if you have an ideological social background to this, then you're going to take you're going pick and choose you're going to pick and choose what believe. and it could what you believe. and it could be dangerous. yeah absolutely. >> propaganda on >> and there's propaganda on both we have to both sides and we have to realise what happens in realise this is what happens in a the of war is there a war. the fog of war is there andits a war. the fog of war is there and it's very, very hard to work out the truth of what is out exactly the truth of what is going but yeah, people are going on. but yeah, people are emotionally to one emotionally connected to one side or the other in very many cases. i'm not i'm not pro one side or pro the other. i'm just pro peace. and i see this as a conflict which has been going on for decades and i wish it would come an end and benjamin, come to an end and benjamin, i know you've spoken about this before, but jewish people are feeling un safe at the moment in this country. >> and britain provided a

sanctuary for jewish people >> and britain provided a sanctuary forjewish people and sanctuary for jewish people and now jewish people are feeling unsafe, unwise , hunted, even and unsafe, unwise, hunted, even and fearful all of the future that is. >> i mean, we've seen i think the figures are 1,200% rise in anti—semitic hate crimes being recorded . if you compare it with recorded. if you compare it with the october of last year. and i think , you know, we started this think, you know, we started this discussion by talking about home—grown terrorism. i think one of the dangers when you see protest marches like yesterday and chants of jihad and from the river to the sea, which means the eradication israel, that the eradication of israel, that there a normalisation there is almost a normalisation of kind of extreme rhetoric of that kind of extreme rhetoric , that extreme view that many would consider anti—semitic. i would consider anti—semitic. i would . and that that becomes would. and that that becomes normalised by these protests. and far more people take it for granted. and london has a big jewish population, half of all the jews in britain live in the capital city. and so when they see instances like that, i know from jewish friends that they're scared to go out. i interviewed josh howie , who's a presenter,

josh howie, who's a presenter, a comedian on headliners here, a jewish man, and he has five kids. and he told me a couple of weeks ago when this started, he's had to explain to his kids why they shouldn't wear their kippah, hat why they kippah, their hat or why they shouldn't wear their school uniform a hebrew writing uniform with a hebrew writing on it school , all because it to go to school, all because he said to his kids, there are people hate you because people that hate you because of who you are as a jew. now, the idea that you've got people feeling in modern feeling like that in modern britain should shame all. feeling like that in modern briiyes.;hould shame all. feeling like that in modern briiyes. and.d shame all. feeling like that in modern briiyes. and wehame all. feeling like that in modern briiyes. and we fought all. feeling like that in modern briiyes. and we fought these >> yes. and we fought these battles before. deeply, battles before. it's deeply, deeply to see, david, isn't deeply sad to see, david, isn't it, that jewish people are feeling under attack in britain due to this conflict? israel gaza ? what question to put to gaza? what question to put to you ? how do we how do we show you? how do we how do we show jewish people that they are welcome in this country ? welcome in this country? >> of course. i mean, it's absolutely horrendous, isn't it, that anyone, any group cannot just be who they are? you know, the jewish people who've lived in areas and communities for decades and centuries now feel unsafe if in their own

communities. this is absolutely horrible. you know, i just wish that this wasn't coming out and being played out on the streets of this country, you know, but we've seen how we deal with this is a difficult. yeah. >> we've seen people propagating conspiracy theories and anti—semitic tropes that would that would be welcomed in germany, to be honest . and it is germany, to be honest. and it is pretty horrifying and disgusting. i hope i know that the vast, vast majority of people in this country absolutely detest anti—semitism. we'll talk about the iranian influence on protests in just one moment. you're watching or listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carvel. we've got lots more coming up. also economic misery be on the way . more coming up. also economic misery be on the way. is misery could be on the way. is the uk economy the tipping point of western world when it of the western world when it comes we'll be debating comes to debt? we'll be debating that and much more. all of that to come. you're watching and listening britain's listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

mornings from 930 on, gb news. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv, online and digital radio. we're moving away from the israel hamas conflict because this week we've had some fresh when it comes to fresh warnings when it comes to the state of the global economy . the state of the global economy. yes, the boss warned that yes, the hsbc boss warned that the world is at a tipping point when it to the level of when it comes to the level of debt economies around world debt economies around the world have and the warning have accrued. and the warning comes global gdp growth has comes as global gdp growth has slowed the middle east is in

turmoil and the price of oil is on the rise. is britain dangerously exposed due to years of government borrowing binges and our reliance on importing energy? so joining me now is vicky pryce, chief economic adviser for the centre for economic and business research. vicky, thank you very much for your time this afternoon . do you your time this afternoon. do you share the concerns that the hsbc boss has said there? well absolutely. >> what we're seeing is that there is a slowdown in the world economy. there are some exceptions. you've got the us , exceptions. you've got the us, of course, doing quite well. and we had some real strong figures for last quarter coming out for the last quarter coming out justin for the last quarter coming out just in a few days ago . and just in a few days ago. and you've also got china, which has not been doing that well recently. we're seeing not been doing that well relittley. we're seeing not been doing that well relittle bit we're seeing not been doing that well relittle bit of we're seeing not been doing that well relittle bit of a we're seeing not been doing that well relittle bit of a rejuvenation eing a little bit of a rejuvenation with the government there starting to do a bit more in terms of trying to stimulate the economy after the problems it has had for some time. they still issues of property still have issues of property sector in particular, but they're to cut they're beginning to cut interest rates in order to get the economy moving. but overall, those are in the

those two countries are in the positive territory. if you like. so they're growing reasonably fast, even though perhaps in china not as fast as they had hoped. what are you seeing, though, is that there is a serious issue with europe and europe is lagging behind, without doubt . and one of without any doubt. and one of the reasons, of course, is that it been so dependent on it has been so dependent on russian gas, it has to cut back quite significantly on on that dependence, energy intensive sectors have had to reduce their energy consumption and places like germany are in recession territory really right now. and that affects the economy across the region. and that's the real problem. so if you put that in the mix, then you've got a real issue as to what the economy may be doing in the next year. >> and vicky, do you also share the assessment or agree with the assessment that our government and other western governments have been irresponsibly borrowing money for far too long and the chickens are coming home to roost? >> that's a very interesting question. i mean , the reality

question. i mean, the reality is, of course, that the borrowing that has taken place started being quite significant dunngin started being quite significant during in the aftermath of the financial crisis . es and of financial crisis. es and of course, it had to be done in order to stabilise the economies and to help the banking sector. but at that time, interest rates were very low. so it hardly mattered that you borrowed a lot. of we added to lot. now of course, we added to that through covid, that borrowing through covid, where needed to stimulate the where we needed to stimulate the economy make sure that it economy and make sure that it didn't collapse that didn't collapse and that employment at employment was kept at a reasonable level people employment was kept at a reasnhad le level people employment was kept at a reasnhad someel people employment was kept at a reasnhad some money)eople employment was kept at a reasnhad some money inyple employment was kept at a reasnhad some money in their still had some money in their pockets. so that added hugely to that debt. but what you're seeing is that although it's a bit of a problem for countries, for example, like italy and possibly greece and course, possibly greece and of course, you know , germany has always you know, germany has always been very careful how much it borrows. that borrows. but the reality is that if how much if you compare how much countries borrowed cross countries have borrowed to cross , there are some that are doing really borrowed really well which have borrowed an extra money. and an awful lot of extra money. and one of them is the us that we were just talking about where its ratio is over its debt to gdp ratio is over 120. so that's a lot higher than is the case here. so yes, of

course there is a lot of debt pubuc course there is a lot of debt public sector debt, but also private sector debt. and that is beginning to be an issue because, interest because, of course, interest rates and that and rates have gone up and that and servicing that debt has become so expensive and so much more expensive and vicky, there's absolutely zero appetite, isn't there, in the uk for spending. for cuts to public spending. >> treasury has so many >> the treasury has so many demands on it and those seem to only be growing. do you expect any government going fonnard ? any government going fonnard? will they have to rein in in that spending ? that spending? >> i think a little bit, yes. but of course we've seen the hs2 decision, which was a cut in spending. i mean, whether that 36 billion is going to be spent in the short term is questionable on infrastructure. it may be spent other things. it may be spent on other things. maybe it will some small maybe it will allow some small changes the tax rates. i changes in the tax rates. i mean, who knows? inheritance tax has been mentioned, of course, but doesn't that much. but it doesn't raise that much. so wouldn't matter. so perhaps it wouldn't matter. huge in terms of the huge except in terms of the optics . but huge except in terms of the optics. but you're right on the on the overall side. on the overall spending side. i mean, after the mean, what we saw after the financial was a real financial crisis was a real austerity , you know, period austerity, you know, period dunng austerity, you know, period during which almost all departments had cutbacks except

in the nhs, which saw a bit of an increase. but it wasn't really big enough anyway to sustain what came later , which sustain what came later, which is the response to covid. but what the government has said so far, it's efficiencies . far, it's efficiencies. efficiencies, mean, mean cuts. i'm afraid. so how various government departments will find thatis government departments will find that is a big question mark. and the second thing of course, that they have announced is that they're to freeze the they're going to freeze the number civil servants. number of civil servants. they're to any they're not going to hire any more, in fact, reduce them to where where possibly where they where possibly sort of well, of pre—financial crisis. well, that, to save that, again, isn't going to save huge amounts. so i'm afraid you're right. there are huge demands public services, a demands on public services, a lot with many of lot of problems with many of them really they can't them that really they can't perform now. so i perform properly right now. so i think unlikely. think it's unlikely. >> and it's our >> absolutely. and it's our welfare pensions, the nhs , of welfare pensions, the nhs, of course, that eat up so much of the budget. so thank you very much indeed. vicky pryce, chief economic centre economic adviser for the centre for business for economic and business research . so let's bring in my research. so let's bring in my panel research. so let's bring in my panel. benjamin buttennorth and david david are you david kirton. david are you alarmed by the level of debt? >> i've been alarmed by the

level of debt for more than ten years in this country, but donkey's years. absolutely. yeah and labour left the and you know, labour left the office in 2010 with about £800 billion of debt. the tories have tripled that. we now have £2.5 trillion of debt. we're never going to pay that back because as you know at the moment now we've got interest rates going up. so just servicing the national debt is over 100 billion a year. so you're talking about little cuts here and there. i mean, we need to cut so much, we need to cut £110 billion from the budget. there's a lot you can do to every year. there's a lot you can do to achieve that. i mean, we're spending huge amounts on foreign aid, for example, on migrant hotels, subsidies , hotels, on green subsidies, subsidies for new green technology, on wind and solar , technology, on wind and solar, rather than investing in energy, which is going to be cheap and is going to be not need. so much of a subsidy, which would keep the economy going. so there's been financial, been huge financial, irresponsible . 80 over 20 or 30

irresponsible. 80 over 20 or 30 years, which has got us into this place. >> are we spending money on the wrong things, benjamin? is that why we're in this mess? >> no, i don't think that's the answer at all. look, the cost of servicing the debt has gone through roof of through the roof because of central rates. central bank interest rates. >> they could have seen that coming. surely they didn't believe coming. surely they didn't believn always coming. surely they didn't believnalways be at zero. but the would always be at zero. but the idea you could cut back idea that you could cut back pubuc idea that you could cut back public essential public services in essential services get down services in order to get down that billion, i think the that 110 billion, i think is the wrong way looking at it. wrong way of looking at it. >> fact is that we have very >> the fact is that we have very low growth. it's been low for the best part of a decade. it's been deeply undennhelming and you the pie in you have to grow the pie in order to overcome that. david mentioned the last lady. >> that sounds sort >> i like that. that sounds sort of liz truss vibes coming from you. benjamin the pie so you. benjamin grow the pie so everyone a bigger slice. everyone has a bigger slice. >> would it's a tony blair >> i would say it's a tony blair vibe david mentioned the vibe because david mentioned the last the last labour government that the debt higher in 2010, debt was much higher in 2010, but until 20 and seven the debt was lower. in fact, we had a surplus for several years and the first term only. >> so 2001, that was the only year there a surplus. year there was a surplus. >> i think gordon what >> i think gordon brown what

we've we had this we've had is that we had this idea that austerity and cutting back problem and back would fix the problem and it we had a of it didn't. we had a decade of stagnant growth. and so i think you the investments in you should the investments in things are things like green technology are essential to our economic future. and then one other point essential to our economic fut make 1d then one other point essential to our economic fut make 1d then infrastructure nt i'd make is that infrastructure spending speed two spending like on high speed two should separated out to day should be separated out to day to day public service spending because projects like that, you know, it might have 36 billion to go, but those are a essential to go, but those are a essential to creating the means to have a successful economy. there's a reason why lots of countries like south korea, japan, china have amazing public services and trains and that benefits their economy. i think it would be a mistake to cut those. >> you can't separate it out from the budget, though, because you've still got to pay for it. it's got to be paid for. it's still got to be paid for. and still got to be paid and it's still got to be paid for from the current account. so you need take of these you need to take all of these things and reduce the things together and reduce the budget total. budget in total. >> like pretending that >> that's like pretending that my on my amex doesn't my spending on my amex doesn't count you know count because you know it's on my amex. >> tell me it counts >> don't tell me it counts because i'm working on the understanding. it doesn't, but i

think it would mistake think it would be a mistake to think it would be a mistake to think major think that spending on major infrastructure projects, whether it's trains, speed it's buses, trains, high speed trains, cut those things and trains, to cut those things and clearly attitude clearly that's an attitude that sunak looking at sunak has been looking at because that because he's taken all that money hs2 and put it into money out of hs2 and put it into local railways. >> i'm surprised and viewers >> i'm surprised and our viewers will surprised that >> i'm surprised and our viewers will haven't surprised that >> i'm surprised and our viewers will haven't mentioned;ed that >> i'm surprised and our viewers will haven't mentioned thethat you haven't mentioned the pensions. usually what pensions. that's usually what you for it comes to you go for when it comes to looking things to cut. looking for things to cut. >> it's a sunday. i won't so >> it's a sunday. i won't be so provocative. watching and provocative. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. >> let me know if you're worried about scale our debt. do about the scale of our debt. do you have the bandwidth to be worried it? more worried about it? lots more coming today's show in coming up on today's show in just a moment, we'll be discussing mass discussing the mass pro—palestine we pro—palestine protests that we saw london and across the uk saw in london and across the uk yesterday. been reported yesterday. it's been reported that hijacking that iran are hijacking them to stir problems on our stir up more problems on our streets. how much of streets. just how much of a threat we'll get threat are they? we'll get expert opinion that. but expert opinion on that. but before that, here is the news with tatiana . with tatiana. >> emily, thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom . some

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7:00 this evening. gb news the people . channel people. channel >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv online and digital radio now. counter—terror ism officers have held private discussions about iran trying to stoke protests over israel's bombing of gaza and have warned of iranian influence in the pro—palestinian activism. we're seeing in the uk. it comes as last week counter—extremism commissioner robin simcox warned that the scale of iranian backed activity in this country and the extent

to which iran attempts to stoke extremist extremism here was under appreciated. so joining me now is former head of counter—terrorism at the mod, major general chip chapman. chip, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. i want to get your insight into this issue . really, we're this issue. really, we're heanng this issue. really, we're hearing that police officers and counter—terrorism officers are warning about the influence of iran on protests here. >> well, the first thing is we've known about the iranian influence for a number of years. so if you go back, for example, two years to richard moore, the head of m16, who talked about an era of contested states and the top three were russia, china and iran, alongside international terrorism, and that iran has an explicit doctrine of conflict with both israel and the west. this was then further amplified by the head of m15, ken mccallum. we talked about literally the same sort of thing

and that this is increasing in severity and complexity further to that, the head of counter terrorist command in february this year told us about 15 plots to kidnap or kill british or uk based individuals it considered to be enemies of the iranian state. and it was that that led to the iranian iranian international tv having to move from the uk to the us because of those explicit threats . so we've those explicit threats. so we've known about it for a long time in terms of the physical element of it, in terms of the digital element of it and how this sort of plays out. one thing that the iranians have done, particularly through the irgc quds force, that's the iranian revolutionary guards force , and could hear in guards force, and could hear in this context means the holy or jerusalem . and of course, they jerusalem. and of course, they want to destroy the israeli state. is that they seek plausible deniability. so the way they're doing this is by using front groups or proxy groups hoping to weaken the

resolve of the british government or whatever , and to government or whatever, and to also use agents of influence that would be groups or subgroup who don't necessarily know that they might have been be being played by the iranians. and we know this in a longer term sense because some of the physical stuff they've done alongside those 15 plots, i mentioned was a plot about 12 years ago in washington to kill the saudi arabian ambassador. and for that, they used a naturalised us citizen who also had an iranian passport. but he was indicted along with a quds force member who they couldn't get because he was in iran . now there's a large was in iran. now there's a large iranian diaspora in the uk, most of them absolute hate. the iranians post. the 79 revolution, but i'm sure there were a few of them who've been compromised either because of ideology, money or ego. and it's that sort of moving people in the digital space as well from their preference bubbles either for some of the language we see, which a lot of it has little

meaning in unless you really interrogate it. you know, the decolonisation would ceasefire without any understanding what that means and therefore trying to stoke a religious, ethnic, sectarian , tribal or ideological sectarian, tribal or ideological discourse board and weaken the uk base. so really what we're really seeing along here is that they're able to do something along with china and russia that they couldn't do in the analogue era. and that is information warfare they try and warfare where they try and fracture societies from within. >> now chip , the influence of >> now chip, the influence of iran , the hostile influence of iran, the hostile influence of iran, the hostile influence of iran has been something that researchers think tanks , experts researchers think tanks, experts have been looking into in this country and the states for many years. but would you agree with robin simcox , who says that it's robin simcox, who says that it's been underappreciated and people haven't quite understood how vast a problem this is ? vast a problem this is? >> well, i think the security agencies have always understood how how prevalent it is. i don't think the general population

have. think the general population have . but really, we've had have. but really, we've had a major scale project from the iranians really since their revolution to confront israel and the wider middle east. i mean, effective . they've created mean, effective. they've created six terror armies, hamas, the houthis , the hezbollah, the pmf houthis, the hezbollah, the pmf in iraq and the liwa fatemiyoun, which is an afghan shia militia group. and the group called the lia shaun bailey, um, another pakistani group, which they've used in in syria. so there's a lot of external armies they've created and they haven't created those in the uk. but it is this sort of influence operation to really alter the minds of both the enemy nations and the neutrals looking on circle by circle. and that's what these information operations by the iranians and all hostile states are designed to do. well thank you very much indeed for your expert analysis there. >> chip chapman, former head of counter—terrorism at the mod. thank you very much for your time. now i want to bring in my panel on this one now. i know

benjamin buttennorth , you have benjamin buttennorth, you have interest in this area and you've written on an iranian assassination attempts in this country . country. >> i spent several months earlier this year looking into this because the head of m15 talked to those 15 assassination plots. and i, i managed to track some of those victims down to speak for the first time. and one them was a woman called one of them was a woman called anna who'd been anna diamond, who'd been a hostage iran. she's part hostage in iran. she's part iranian. and when she came back to this country to live in london, started getting london, she started getting calls iranian support calls from iranian support of the they were the regime. and they were following her around. they threat and to poison her in an nhs hospital, which she regularly went to, and said that nobody would suspect your death. i to another man in a i spoke to another man in a british man living in london who described that his father, who's a dissident back in iran . he had a dissident back in iran. he had he'd been sent threatening letters to his home address that said, if you don't stop speaking out against the iranian regime from london, then we will attack your dad . and his father was

your dad. and his father was waterboarded several weeks later. and then after that, in central london, several iranian agents tried to capture him and bundle him into the back of a van in broad daylight on a shopping high street. now the fact that these are happening , fact that these are happening, that the police were informed of them and that it isn't a proscribed terrorist organisation, the iranian revolutionary guard , despite revolutionary guard, despite these assassination attempts , is these assassination attempts, is horrendous. i spoke to one man who was a high profile jewish person in this country who spoke to me anonymously, who said that his entire life has been turned upside down. he has to have police security. home has police security. his home has had all new windows and had to have all new windows and doors. he's had his grandchildren threatened with being on the streets of being abducted on the streets of britain supporters iran britain by supporters of iran in. now, these are utterly shocking stories. i'd say they are as shocking as what happened with the salisbury poisoning by russia a few years ago. and yet they get so little attention. >> it's interesting, isn't it? they do. they do. and people have been warning about the

influence and the threat of iran , not least with terror organisations in their backing of them financially . but it of them financially. but it doesn't get as much interest as perhaps the threat of russia does russia and maybe china as well. >> we know china to china has a very big intelligence operation in this country. very big intelligence operation in this country . they've got in this country. they've got their own sort of police stations that look after and observe and surveil chinese citizens in this country . i citizens in this country. i mean, that's that's known and that's got publicity before now. i mean, this is the first time i've heard of iran having such a big operation in this country. but it isn't surprising because lots of countries around the world that are increasing in power, increasing in influence, will want influence the will want to influence the citizens of this country like they would to influence the they would want to influence the citizens in america other citizens in america and other places in the west, because we are an important people and pubuc are an important people and public opinion here really does matter in terms of shaping global events. so that isn't surprising. >> but i think the way iran does it, you know, lots of countries ,

it, you know, lots of countries, i suspect, including britain, behave in that you know, in a diplomatic level . but behave in that you know, in a diplomatic level. but iran behave in that you know, in a diplomatic level . but iran does diplomatic level. but iran does it in a deeply sinister way. it is trying to murder british citizens on british soil. that is a matter of fact. and the idea that britain doesn't take that more seriously, that our domestic and foreign policy tries to look the other way in iran, there's a guy called vahid beheshti who's an iranian british journalist went on british journalist who went on hunger strike for more than 70 days try and raise this issue days to try and raise this issue . other week he waved an . and the other week he waved an israeli flag whitehall, where israeli flag on whitehall, where he continues to out and he he continues to camp out and he was threatened with being beheaded by a with a knife. beheaded by a man with a knife. now, police arrested that now, the police arrested that person, god. the fact person, thank god. but the fact that they are behaving like that on streets of britain should on the streets of britain should terrify us. and lots of the people i spoke to, security experts that experts and victims, said that there real network. and so there was a real network. and so i think the report that you had there about them trying to influence i've influence these protests, i've absolutely true. absolutely no doubt it's true. >> yes. and clearly it doesn't scratch sides issue scratch the sides of the issue of influence science. of iranian influence science. now going to move to

now we're going to move on to our final story of the show. it's being reported that rishi sunak, rishi sunak will sunak, rishi rishi sunak will use next week's king's speech to advance the expansion of north sea oil gas exploration, as sea oil and gas exploration, as well pro—car policies. that's well as pro—car policies. that's in a continuation of his scrutiny of net zero plans and to also create a bit of a difference between him and the labour party's position . this labour party's position. this follows the announcement in september of a major u—turn on green policy. he postponed the deadune green policy. he postponed the deadline for selling new petrol and cars also the and diesel cars and also the phasing out gas boilers. so phasing out of gas boilers. so joining me is andrew joining me now is andrew mountford, the director net mountford, the director of net zero. andrew, thank you zero. watch andrew, thank you very much. are you convinced that rishi sunak is to going pursue, well, less of a net zero drive? >> no , no, not particularly. >> no, no, not particularly. >> no, no, not particularly. >> i think it's more likely that this will be about continuing with the anti net zero mood music, but not actually deliver anything very much in terms of policy changes. >> you described what he did last time round as a major u—turn. well, he delayed a

couple of a couple of phase things out by five years. i mean, it's nothing at all really. but i think you were quite right when you said this was about trying to create a gap between conservatives and labour on this issue to make it an election issue. and that is important because we've been denied a conversation about at the nitty gritty of net zero and what it means for society for the last, you know, however many years. so i think it is important that it is now out there in front for people to talk about. >> yes, andrew, i think you're right. not a major u—turn, really delaying the phasing out of new petrol and diesel cars and the removal of gas boilers just a very, very minor dilution of net zero plans. and of course, net zero is very much in our law. so they are legally binded to reach it somehow in terms of gas and oil exploration. it does seem, though, that both the conservative party and the

labour party are realising that we are going to need to continue to explore for gas and oil, aren't we? absolutely >> the world is increasingly unstable . i >> the world is increasingly unstable. i mean, >> the world is increasingly unstable . i mean, you've just unstable. i mean, you've just had the big the big stories about about iranian influence and the protests and the problems in the middle east, in in that kind of world. i think getting our own supplies of oil and gas and expanding them is extremely important. i think if they were serious about this issue, truly serious about this issue, truly serious about this issue, they would start looking at onshore gas again at fracking, because the problem with offshore oil and gas and indeed offshore wind farms as well is that they are a security , a vulnerability. anybody can disconnect your your oil production or your wind farm from the from the mainland very easily without being detected. so that's a real security risk

that i think has to be looked at. now >> hm. very interesting indeed. thank you for your time. andrew mumford, the director of net zero. always lovely to zero. watch. always lovely to speak to you. so let's see what my panel think this. my panel think of this. you know, had agreement know, we've had some agreement today on the show between my panellists, think this 1st panellists, but i think this 1st may divide. go on, benjamin is diluting net zero a good thing, a vote winner. >> i certainly don't think it's a good thing because vote winner. >> i think. >> i think. >> well, what happened was you had the uxbridge by—election where people didn't want the expansion of this costly low emission zone to outer london. and that was the only reason the tories managed to keep that seat. now, i think the tories are applying that to the rest of the country is a mistake. that idea that it's the way to win votes because you see ovennhelmingly maybe ovennhelmingly that it's maybe the fourth concern that the third or fourth concern that people their people have in their voting decisions the environment people have in their voting decisyou the environment people have in their voting decisyou know, environment people have in their voting decisyou know, a nvironment people have in their voting decisyou know, a lot'onment people have in their voting decisyou know, a lot ofment people have in their voting decisyou know, a lot of people and, you know, a lot of people in this country, it's a country full countryside, worried full of countryside, are worried about , are going to about the country, are going to hand to their and their hand to their kids and their grandkids. think the issue

grandkids. i think the oil issue probably isn't that a thing probably isn't that big a thing for most people. think for most people. i think it's slightly passes them by. it's not major interest. but the not a major interest. but the sort of the fact that we're polluted country, the that polluted country, the fact that we're environment, we're damaging the environment, the fact that climate change is so you know, most so drastic. you know, the most watched is planet watched bbc show is planet earth. most people earth. the idea that most people don't protecting the don't care about protecting the environment change environment and climate change is birds. and i think is for the birds. and i think you those two by you saw in those two by elections, did nothing for elections, it did nothing for the oh, think you're the tories. oh, i think you're absolutely right people absolutely right that people care their care hugely about their immediate environment and the state the world. immediate environment and the stailt's the world. immediate environment and the stai it's whether'ld. immediate environment and the stai it's whether you believe that >> it's whether you believe that the the government the policies the government implements to improve implements are going to improve the environment and whether they're sometimes as borderline authoritarian . authoritarian. >> yeah, absolutely. of course , >> yeah, absolutely. of course, everybody cares about the environment . we have a beautiful environment. we have a beautiful countryside and people want to preserve that for our generation and to hand down to generation to come well. but i think to come as well. but i think what rishi sunak is doing here is just it's just for the show. it's just for show. there's an election coming up in the next 12 months. so he's saying something that he thinks is

going to be popular to his base because net zero is vastly unpopular among young people who are conservative voters and people who see through the whole climate alarmism, climate emergency hoax, which it is because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, but he's not going nearly far enough . he needs to nearly far enough. he needs to come out of the paris climate agreement and come out of agenda 2030 and repeal the climate change act and get rid of this to let benjamin come back on that one. >> well, that's obviously conspiratorial nonsense. >> well, that's obviously conspirnotial nonsense. >> well, that's obviously conspir not based sense. >> well, that's obviously conspir not based in 1se. >> well, that's obviously conspir not based in science or >> it's not based in science or facts. >> it is. i've given you scientific . scientific fact. >> you haven't. you've given >> no, you haven't. you've given spin hard. right? that. spin hard. right? spin that. that's not right . so the vast that's not right. so the vast majority of the british hard right spin to say carbon dioxide is not harmful. >> that's scientific. >> that's scientific. >> neither scientists nor the british agree with that british people agree with that view climate change. and view of climate change. and i think it's a very dangerous way view of climate change. and i thibehave. very dangerous way to behave. >> i think dangerous . >> i think dangerous. >> i think dangerous. >> on. >> come on. >> come on. >> it's fact. >> it's fact. >> think many >> well, i think the many commonwealth nations that are going say that going under water would say that climate is abundance. climate change is an abundance. >> have gone undennater. >> nations have gone undennater. there's not one that's

there's not one nation that's gone undennater. >> example, is >> bangladesh, for example, is having flooding it's having the worst flooding it's ever indonesia. ever had. i was in indonesia. >> that's due to sea levels >> that's not due to sea levels rising. that's due the river overflowing. >> you know, indonesia is having to move its capital city because it's going undennater right. >> riveting as the new >> well, as riveting as the new capital of indonesia, moving it to papua. >> to papua, yeah, to island i >> -- >> on that note, as riveting as this conversation is , and please this conversation is, and please do keep getting in touch with your views at home, we're going to go to some emails because you've sending them in you've been sending them in throughout must do before throughout and we must do before the show. the end of the show. >> mike says face coverings should now be, i thought should now be, but i thought we'd to the pandemic we'd gone back to the pandemic face coverings should now be banned the board for banned across the board for protests in france. protests just like in france. yes, walked through yes, i walked through the protest and hate protest yesterday and i hate seeing balaclavas. it seeing people in balaclavas. it is truly intimidating. andrew says. leader with says. we need a leader with business experience. labour's record boom and record of banishing boom and bust, then leaving the treasury with say money's with a note to say the money's run out you everything run out tells you everything about their competence . and about their competence. and beunda is about their competence. and belinda is no valid belinda says there is no valid reason pursue zero. it reason to pursue net zero. it will ruin our country. well, keep views coming in

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though, across the south of england than we've seen over the weekend. but a persistent band of feeding into northern of showers feeding into northern ireland throughout day on ireland throughout the day on monday. heavy bursts of monday. so some heavy bursts of rain, the rain, especially for the southeast there, though, still feeling pleasant in the feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine we go through monday sunshine as we go through monday . we've got . tuesday, though, as we've got winds now coming a bit of a winds now coming from a bit of a northerly direction across northern the a cool northern parts of the uk. a cool start fog around start here, some fog around elsewhere as well as further showers across the south. and that unsettled theme is continuing throughout the week with cooler conditions in with some cooler conditions in the north and further bands of

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