>> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in an hour's time, broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. also broadcaster and kelly. and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments, we'll be going head to head in the clash of minds with the deputy leader of reform party, ben habib, and also the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. we get peter edwards. but before we get stuck that, let's get your stuck into that, let's get your latest news headlines with tatiana . nana. tatiana. nana. >> thank you very much . it's

>> thank you very much. it's 3:00. this is the latest. some communications have been restored in gaza after a blackout severely impacted yesterday's rescue efforts. israeli forces are expanding ground operations in gaza , but ground operations in gaza, but the united nations warns that civil order is starting to fade , civil order is starting to fade, with reports of people breaking into aid centres and warehouses into aid centres and warehouses in a desperate search for vital suppues. in a desperate search for vital supplies . despite assurances supplies. despite assurances that aid trucks will be allowed in, the un says supplies are insufficient . urgent. in, the un says supplies are insufficient. urgent. last night, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu said the second stage of war with hamas has begun. he warned of a long and difficult campaign ahead . and difficult campaign ahead. the gaza health ministry said this morning just over 8000 people have been killed . its is people have been killed. its is unlikely that any labour mps will be sacked due to disagreements with the party's position on israel . that's position on israel. that's according to the shadow science secretary. peter carl says the party's leadership will probably continue engaging with frontbenchers , despite frontbenchers, despite disagreements with sir keir starmer. he's echoed the un's

call for a humanitarian pause in fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza . but many allowed into gaza. but many senior figures want him to go further and back. a ceasefire . further and back. a ceasefire. now, as we've been hearing all day , the hollywood actor matthew day, the hollywood actor matthew perry, star of legendary sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. >> forget hypnosis . the way to >> forget hypnosis. the way to quit smoking is you have to dance naked in a field of heather and then bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men or what my father calls thursday night , or what my father calls thursday night, police were or what my father calls thursday night , police were called to or what my father calls thursday night, police were called to his home in los angeles, where he was found unresponsive in a hot tub. >> he became a household name as the dry and witty chandler bing alongside jennifer aniston. lisa kudrow and others. the enormous success of friends made it an icon of 90s popular culture. it ran for ten seasons, the final episode was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. warner bros. said in a

statement. his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many police are being encouraged to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to track down known offenders policing minister chris philp says the technology could be used to scan more than 200,000 images, matching them against the police database. he's also encouraging officers to expand the use of live facial recognition so offenders might be identified on the spot. mr philp says it will allow police to stay one step ahead of criminals and make britain's streets safer . meanwhile the streets safer. meanwhile the number of police who've been sacked for misconduct is up by 70, with about 100 losing their jobs in the last 12 months. metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley says the number is likely to increase as the force cracks down on those who are unfit to serve . a us tech are unfit to serve. a us tech entrepreneur says the nhs is

backlog cannot be solved without technological innovation . ian technological innovation. ian alex is the chief executive and co—founder of plant, which is bidding to win a contract to provide eye software to the health service. he says the use of ai in health care would speed up systems and improve life expectancy. it comes as nhs waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by next summer. waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by next summer . an top 8 million by next summer. an ice hockey star has died after he was slashed in the neck dunng he was slashed in the neck during a game in sheffield. 228 year old adam johnson suffered a freak accident during nottingham panthers challenge cup match with sheffield steelers just last night. the panthers said they were devastated and paid tribute to the star, saying he'll never be forgotten . an and he'll never be forgotten. an and finally, scotland's refugees minister is asking the uk government for urgent funding to help community rs house migrants. emma roddick supports the government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and says tackling a backlog in

cases should be a priority . but cases should be a priority. but she warns that shifting the financial burden onto local authorities would be unacceptable and reckless . unacceptable and reckless. immigration minister robert jenrick said this week the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months as this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's return to nana . return to nana. >> thank you, tatiana . right, so >> thank you, tatiana. right, so before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to heads. the deputy leader of the reform party, ben habib, and also the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards . labourlist, peter edwards. right. so here's what else is coming up in this hour over in israel, the second stage of the invasion has begun as prime minister benjamin netanyahu says that ground operations

that the idf's ground operations in gaza will signify a long and difficult war. in just a moment, i'll get the latest updates from gb news home and security editor mark white. he's there live in tel aviv. then, is it time to call for a ceasefire in gaza? the labour leader, sir keir starmer , is facing growing starmer, is facing growing rebellions from members of his party over the israel—hamas war as they voice their support for as they voice their support for a ceasefire. but starmer has so far only called for humanitarian pauses, just as sunak has . so pauses, just as sunak has. so i'm asking is it time for a ceasefire in gaza and has starmer fully rooted out the corbynistas in his party? also, should people be allowed to raise money for dishonest police officers? so far, 100,000 has been raised for the two former met police officers who were sacked for gross misconduct whilst carrying out stop and search on a team. gb athlete and her partner . the officers were her partner. the officers were also found to have lied about smelling cannabis in the car. so should they be allowed to raise money seeing as they're

dishonest or they've been found to dishonest and then to be dishonest and then finally, king charles should he apologise the crimes of the apologise for the crimes of the british empire? as king charles prepares for first trip to prepares for his first trip to kenya britain's monarch, kenya as britain's monarch, he's set to acknowledge the more painful of the british painful aspects of the british army's history in the country. but is it time to stop apologising for the crimes ? for apologising for the crimes? for decades from decades ago? should we just move on? and then in a special interview you will not want to miss at 445 on world to you, i'll be speaking to an israeli spokesman and the former international media adviser to the president of israel, elon levi. he's talking about ground operations aimed at destroying hamas, a warning that some of you may find this video distressing, but seared in my mind are the bodies burned bodies beheaded bodies. >> this was hamas october 7th massacre. this is the evil that we are up against. >> so, ellen levy will be live at 445. you won't want to miss

that. then stay tuned at five. it's this week's outside a radio presenter television presenter and dj who famously worked on the children's itv program fun house will be joining me in the studio. izzy he's kind of sharp. that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. but tweet me at. gb news. right. but first, of course , the big story first, of course, the big story and of course , the global story. and of course, the global story. some communications have been restored in gaza after a blackout severely impacted yesterday's rescue efforts. israeli forces are expanding ground operations in gaza , but ground operations in gaza, but the un warns that civil order is starting to fade, with reports of people breaking into aid centres and warehouses all in a desperate attempt to search for vital supplies and food. but we can now cross over to tel aviv to get an update from our home and security editor mark white,

who is there now. mark so can you give us a brief update of what's been going on? >> well, we are well into phase two of the war against hamas with israeli forces now firmly in northern gaza . they've in northern gaza. they've advanced about four miles or so into northern gaza. and unlike we were seeing in previous days where these incursions would happen overnight, and then the israeli troops would then retreat again back over the border fence . that's not border fence. that's not happening. they are continuing to push fonnard now , what this to push fonnard now, what this isn't is the ground war that everyone was expecting with tens of thousands of troops and dozens and dozens of tanks all crossing at the same time . there crossing at the same time. there are significant incursions . s are significant incursions. s but they seem to be consolidating their position in the areas that they're coming fonnard, holding that . and then fonnard, holding that. and then it seems trying to push fonnard. they're taking out hamas positions, those anti—tank

missile positions , other hamas missile positions, other hamas positions , where they are positions, where they are planning to hijack or booby trap the advancing israeli forces . the advancing israeli forces. and all the time from the air fast jets and missiles are striking young hamas targets in gaza as well. we're told that over the past 24 hours, there were 450 fast jet strikes that took place on hamas targets. and of course, given that we've still got hundreds of thousands of civilians in northern gaza, despite the repeated calls by the israelis for these people to move south. and it is such a built up area, then the consequence of all of these airstrikes is that the number of dead and injured, the toll on the civilian population , nana is the civilian population, nana is just continuing to rise. >> and what about attacks coming from gaza to israel? as i understand some of those missiles have got through the iron dome there .

iron dome there. >> there are the regular just five minutes or so before you came to us, the phones pinging again , this time an attack into again, this time an attack into the area around the gaza strip . the area around the gaza strip. a few minutes before that , a few minutes before that, reports of air raid sirens again, this time in the north. it seems that it's another exchange of fire from hezbollah terrorists on the southern lebanon border , targeting an lebanon border, targeting an airport there to the west of the golan heights. there have been regular exchanges of fire. now hezbollah has not come into the war proper. if they did , that war proper. if they did, that would be a very serious escalation indeed, because hezbollah is a far greater force in terms of number and armaments in terms of number and armaments in comparison to hamas. they've been threatening to do that . but been threatening to do that. but really, they don't need to come in to the war or in a very significant and meaningful way to still have tens of thousands of israeli forces having to

muster on the northern border to be prepared for them doing that. so you tie up a significant number of israeli forces in the north of israel when, of course, it could be beat better, employed further, further south of the gaza strip . of the gaza strip. >> i suppose in a way it's good that israel does have its forces there, so they're not caught by surprise or unawares. is there any sign of escalation on any of the other countries that border israel ? israel? >> well, over the last few days , >> well, over the last few days, there have been sporadic incidents. we've had trouble in the west bank. three palestinians in the west bank were killed overnight in clashes with israeli forces . we've had with israeli forces. we've had missiles that have come in from syria . we've had drones , uavs, syria. we've had drones, uavs, unmanned aerial vehicles that have come from yemen. so a great deal of concern about the possible escalation of this to become a regional war, which

would be just on an altogether much more frightening level if it's possible. i mean, it's absolutely horrific what's happening down in gaza already. but for it to expand out to the wider region would be of real concern . i think on a positive concern. i think on a positive note , and we've got to take note, and we've got to take these sort of claims from the israeli military affairs value. they say that they are going to allow more humanitarian aid in across the rafah crossing in the south of gaza. that border with egypt. south of gaza. that border with egypt . they say that they're egypt. they say that they're going to create it humanitarian safe zones around khan younis in the south to allow those aid trucks in and for then un staff to be able to distribute that badly needed aid. we know, of course, about these us attacks on un warehouses and other distribution centres by desperate civilians who have been trying to get ahold of the

dwindling food stocks in the area . area. >> well, listen, mark, thank you so much for that report. we will come back to you in the next houn come back to you in the next hour. that's mark white. he's our gb news home and security editor. he's there live in tel aviv . if you're just editor. he's there live in tel aviv. if you're just joining me, just go on. 14 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's time go head to akua. it's time to go head to head. keir starmer is facing head. sir keir starmer is facing one the most serious one of the most serious challenges to his authority challenges yet to his authority as leader of the labour party. after several of his frontbenchers him and frontbenchers defied him and called an immediate called for an immediate ceasefire gaza. now while sir ceasefire in gaza. now while sir keir has called for a humanitarian pause to allow aid to gaza strip, he's to enter the gaza strip, he's he's followed rac sunak in saying israel has the right saying that israel has the right to defend itself and ensure hamas unable mount hamas is unable to mount a similar terrorist attack to the one committed on the 7th of october. but are the labour frontbench is right? and is it time for a ceasefire in gaza? well, let's welcome again to my head to is the deputy head to head is the deputy leader of reform uk, habib , leader of reform uk, ben habib, and former editor of and also the former editor of the peter edwards. the labourlist, peter edwards. i'm going to come to you, peter,

straight was keir straight away. is he was keir starmer right to stay with his stance of saying and his words were sort of that israel has the right to do what it needs to do to defend itself. this is what a lot of people have taken umbrage to. that's one half. and >> well, that's one half. and the half call for the second half was call for humanitarian pause. but i just want out for a sec want to zoom out for a sec because as much as possible, we'd love to take we'd all love to take westminster politics out westminster party politics out of can all of this. i think we can all agree. attack on israel agree. horrific attack on israel three ago, the largest three weeks ago, the largest murder since the murder of israelis since the holocaust. and then civilians are dying every day. looks like it's around 7000 now in palestine and there are still circa 200 hostages held in perhaps tunnels. so it is horrific. and we want to take party politics out of it. but you're right to challenge me, keir under pressure keir starmer is under pressure because there's quite an intense debate labour party. debate in the labour party. i think he has ended up in the right place of. we will have to recognise israel suffered recognise that israel suffered this attack and there this horrific attack and there would a response and innocent would be a response and innocent civilians are dying in palestine now. clearly you do need aid now. so clearly you do need aid

relief to get in. and the supply of trucks was a trickle and it was stopped start and there are people probably better qualified than me comment on the than me to comment on the logistics that. but when logistics of that. but when civilians are dying when civilians are dying and when hospitals are not working properly so and so on, we properly and so on and so on, we do need to get aid into palestine. >> but that's different. i mean, a fighting to allow a pause in the fighting to allow humanitarian is very humanitarian aid is very different a ceasefire. yes different to a ceasefire. yes a ceasefire be that they ceasefire would be that they would israel to disarm would they ask israel to disarm or stop firing. and also hamas. but that would or stop firing. and also hamas. but happen that would or stop firing. and also hamas. but happen , that would or stop firing. and also hamas. but happen , that at would or stop firing. and also hamas. but happen , that hamasd or stop firing. and also hamas. but happen , that hamas would ever happen, that hamas would stop firing. well, i mean, your question really sets out why we're in such a difficult position. >> so, first of israel has >> so, first of all, israel has said it wants to destroy hamas . said it wants to destroy hamas. i mean, we'd all love to see hamas destroyed because it's a terrorist group. as to how you do and when you judge that do that and when you judge that as completed, i'm as being completed, i'm not sure. i repeat, hamas are sure. but i repeat, hamas are holding people, hostages, men, women how can women and children. so how can you a ceasefire in those you have a ceasefire in those circumstances? so i think, you know, i think it was darren jones , the shadow cabinet jones, the shadow cabinet minister, put it quite well. he said, we all want the bombing to

stop as soon as possible. but when people being in when people are being held in tunnels, innocent civilians who are being kidnapped, it's very hard to that so hard to get to that point. so that's starmer and that's why both starmer and sunak the word pause sunak have used the word pause rather than ceasefire. does rather than ceasefire. but does this a question with this not pose a question with regard labour as to regard to the labour party as to because feels like there's a because it feels like there's a whole corbynista element resurfacing because you've whole corbynista element restandy|g because you've whole corbynista element restandy burnham,>cause you've whole corbynista element restandy burnham,>cause you ve got andy burnham, who's, you know, for know, saying calling for ceasefire, khan ceasefire, you've got sadiq khan and you've got anas sannar and these and then you've got people resigning well . resigning as well. >> well, there are 3.9 million muslims in the united kingdom and i think the majority of those muslims vote for the labour party and rightly or wrongly, the fight between israel and hamas has in many respects been conflated and between a kind of fight between muslims and jews, which it isn't. >> and it's very important to step away from that fight, but never one to shy away from , um, never one to shy away from, um, you know, inculcating a bit of division. sadiq khan has been right at the forefront of this

calling for a ceasefire, which you rightly point out. nana is the equivalent of asking israel not to take hamas to task. a ceasefire now would be disastrous for the geopolitical setup of israel. it would send a signal . to hamas, to iran, to signal. to hamas, to iran, to tehran, to hezbollah that actually israel hasn't got the stomach for what's required to be done. remember we're operating in a region where the rule of law is subserved cient to the projection of power. and israel was hit, as peter rightly pointed out, extremely hard in a way that it hasn't been hit since the jewish people haven't been attacked since the holocaust east. and the only way that israel can see off this threat is show this massive threat is to show this massive response . and i have full response. and i have full sympathy , by the way, with sympathy, by the way, with israel. hamas needs to be destroyed. hamas should never have been allowed to have the 17 years in office that it's had

sidling up to tehran, which, by the way, is a shia, which is shia sect, and hamas is sunni, which belies their claim to be a purely idealistically muslim dnven purely idealistically muslim driven fighting force . you know, driven fighting force. you know, shias and sunnis, they're always fighting. they're always fighting. they're always fighting. and the fact that they got into this unholy relationship as far as israel is concerned, reveals ls the terroristic element behind hamas's intentions . so not only hamas's intentions. so not only do i think israel is right to defend itself, i think it's absolutely right that israel should go out for hamas and if possible , eliminate them. i possible, eliminate them. i agree with peter. it's an extremely difficult task. but it has to be it has to be attempted . and i think the integrity of israel's position is revealed by the fact that they're not just carpet bombing gaza . they've carpet bombing gaza. they've actually committed ground troops now committing ground troops is a serious it's a serious thing to do. israelis are going to get

killed in the process. it's much easier for countries. and the us has done this so often in the past to sit back and just bomb the smithereens out of your opposition. where where humanitarian cost is significant . int but in order to amount to ground offensive, they've actually got to cease the bombardment, they've got to commit troops on the ground and they've got to go hand to hand with hamas, which shows israel is in good faith when it says it's seeking to eliminate hamas . it's seeking to eliminate hamas. >> and so do you think then that it's a kind of almost somewhat irresponsible for those within the labour party to be calling for such a thing? >> i think it's very irresponsible and we're paying the price now for not calling out hamas properly after 2006 when they had a war with fatah, which is the more reasonable end of the palestinian political spectrum , an end that has spectrum, an end that has actually established , you know, actually established, you know, actually established, you know, a some kind of mechanism with which to rub along with the israelis operating in the west bank and we've allowed iran to

become very bold. i don't want to go on about the eu, but but president trump wanted to impose sanctions on iran , did impose sanctions on iran, did impose sanctions on iran, did impose sanctions on iran, did impose sanctions on iran. the eu was busy undermining those sanctions. so at a time when we should have been holding iran at bay, preventing hamas from getting the armaments that it that it got, actually we were we were contributing to the problem. so i fully support israel's complete right to obliterate hamas . obliterate hamas. >> and so does this sound like we agree i don't know. >> i mean, i think the thing about this debate is that my point. so, first of all, you want the internal workings of the labour party to be to be treated as a much, much, much second order priority compared to life, also to loss of life, but also we're so used saying domestic so used to saying domestic policy tax, nhs, the policy things, tax, nhs, the answer this or that. it's answer is this or that. it's completely binary terms. i think in something this all in something like this we've all got according our got to act according to our conscience. whether that's me, ben, starmer and ben, you or keir starmer and people who have very high profile prime profile running to be prime minister are prime

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thursdays from six till 930. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 26 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . it is time to go head to akua. it is time to go head to head now. we're talking about sir keir starmer because he has expelled former he has the expelled former he has the expelled the former labour leader jeremy corbyn, in an attempt to sort of rid his party of anti—semitism. but the fact so many labour mps have defied him calling for a ceasefire him by calling for a ceasefire in gaza and scores of labour councillors have resigned over his stance on israel , has led his stance on israel, has led some people to ask the question has sir keir starmer fully rooted out the corbynistas from his party? well, let's see what my head to head is. think of that deputy leader of the reform uk, ben habib, and also former editor of the labourlist peter edwards, to here discuss edwards, are to here discuss ben habib. you. habib. i'm starting with you. >> i mean, clearly he's >> well, i mean, clearly he's got division in the ranks. a number of very senior members of the party, andy burnham, the labour party, andy burnham, sadiq and

sadiq khan, jess phillips and others have come out saying that, you know, calling for a ceasefire, which as discussed ceasefire, which as we discussed in segment of this in the previous segment of this programme , basically the programme, is basically the equivalent asking israel to equivalent of asking israel to give its pursue give up its right to pursue hamas. that's what it is, as opposed to pauses in violence and on such an important issue where actually, as it happens, the head of the opposition, keir starmer, is an agreement with the government . it's not the government. it's not becoming for the party to have these kind of divisions going on, but but it does, i think, reveal something about the about the labour party, which is that it's pandering to a number of different factions in our society and this is going to potentially offend peter. but, you know , suella braverman made you know, suella braverman made a very powerful all important speech in washington in which he then followed up at the conservative party conference recently citing how multiculturalism wasn't working in the uk. well i also wrote a piece in the daily mail about it as well. and you know, we've got

we've got a problem in the uk, we've got a problem in the uk, we've got a problem in the uk, we've got to call it out. there were over 100,000 people effectively calling for jihad on the london. the streets of london. >> there's some of them >> well, there's some of them not calling for not all 100,000 were calling for that. mean, i'm sure some of that. i mean, i'm sure some of them were simple. you know, sympathetic and calling for peace. you know, senior members >> but, you know, senior members of the labour party are of the of the labour party are basic , likely going against the basic, likely going against the government's line. the country line and effect, emboldening hamas. i mean, there's nothing short of that. and remember, sadiq khan is good mates with a guy called mohammed kozbar, who represents the muslim council of britain, with which the government will have nothing to do it sees it as a semi do because it sees it as a semi extreme organisation . asian extreme organisation. asian sadiq always out to sadiq khan is always out to inculcate division and use that division for his political advantage . advantage. >> well, he might say that he's out there representing a large portion of his community in london, which there's a huge muslim community there. and of course a lot of people from

palestine. so he would potentially argue that, well , he potentially argue that, well, he should london should be representing london and he should represent the interests kingdom . interests of the united kingdom. >> um, and i remind people that he put out a poster the other day or his office put out a poster other day of a family poster the other day of a family of white people saying they do not represent london. i find that now that deeply offensive. and now here we have him effectively standing labour standing outside labour party policy on a really important issue , calling for a ceasefire issue, calling for a ceasefire effectively supporting hamas . effectively supporting hamas. there's no other way to put it . there's no other way to put it. >> well, i mean, look, the poster, the actual thing was part of a style guide. and that was that this image of was saying that this image of white people shouldn't be used to represent london. so that it does equate to what you said. but it properly in but just to put it properly in its context, peter edwards well, i ben trying to inject i think ben is trying to inject party politics into debate where i'm trying to take it out of it as much as possible. >> absolutely recognise the >> i absolutely recognise the question literally focussed question is literally focussed on party itself though, on the party itself though, isn't on the party itself though, isn'because i'm saying about the >> because i'm saying about the corbynistas labour corbynistas within the labour party does this party and i'm saying does this expose them? and i suppose that

is party politics and that is sort of the basis of the question. >> yeah, i don't really accept that characterisation. i think any big party is going to have a spectrum of opinion and we saw it the iraq war where there it over the iraq war where there are couple of government are a couple of government resignations in 2003 when tony blair iraq. resignations in 2003 when tony blairyou iraq. resignations in 2003 when tony blairyou know, iraq. resignations in 2003 when tony blairyou know, people raq. resignations in 2003 when tony blairyou know, people like robin and, you know, people like robin cook, who passed away and john denham, denham, are not denham, now lord denham, are not particularly people at all. particularly left people at all. and they certainly in a million years would never be called corbyn easters. and although years would never be called corbyn easfewer,nd although years would never be called corbyn easfewer, i:i although years would never be called corbyn easfewer, i thinkjugh years would never be called corbyn easfewer, i think there there were fewer, i think there was small number of was a very small number of conservative rebels or resignation over the iraq invasion as s0 resignation over the iraq invasion as so there's invasion as well. so there's a spectrum opinion matters spectrum of opinion over matters of isn't it right of war and peace. isn't it right that people act according to their conscience? that people act according to their co you ence? that people act according to their coyou saw? that people act according to their co you saw the other week >> but you saw the other week that jeremy was at a that jeremy corbyn was at a pro—palestine where pro—palestine rally where he actually rally as actually spoke at that rally as well . well. >> and he's not a labour mp. >> and he's not a labour mp. >> no, he's not a labour mp. but you know, the issue with what was happening within the labour party of party was the level of anti—semitic , wasn't and anti—semitic, wasn't it? and that's to sort that's what they wanted to sort of out and there was of oust out and there was a theme that seemed to be surrounding corbyn and

surrounding jeremy corbyn and thatis surrounding jeremy corbyn and that is why they needed him to 9°! that is why they needed him to go, because course a lot of go, because of course a lot of jewish people didn't want to vote for labour and this was a problem. so, know, i'm just problem. so, you know, i'm just looking this and seeing lot looking at this and seeing a lot of, you know, the factions within party seem within the labour party seem to be re—emerging. there's be re—emerging. i think there's always spectrum in always a spectrum of opinion in every to tackle your question >> but to tackle your question about anti—semitism, know, >> but to tackle your question ab0lwas ti—semitism, know, >> but to tackle your question ab0lwas a -semitism, know, >> but to tackle your question ab0lwas a shameful, know, >> but to tackle your question ab0lwas a shameful episodeow, >> but to tackle your question ab0lwas a shameful episode in, that was a shameful episode in history labour party . i don't history of labour party. i don't believe anti—semitic, believe corbyn is anti—semitic, but believe was guilty but i do believe he was guilty of negligence in terms of of gross negligence in terms of his leader of the party and it's notable that on day within notable that on day one, within about 24 hours of elected about 24 hours of being elected leader, apologised leader, keir starmer apologised to community for the hurt to jewish community for the hurt caused. was the right to jewish community for the hurt causeto was the right to jewish community for the hurt causeto do. was the right thing to do. >> well, that's interesting thing to do. >> well,he at's interesting thing to do. >> well,he wasinteresting thing to do. >> well,he was heeresting thing to do. >> well,he was he diding thing to do. >> well,he was he did back because he was he did back jeremy initially anyway, jeremy corbyn initially anyway, so who was. so he was somebody who was. >> well, that's not strictly true. he served in a shadow cabinet, didn't vote for cabinet, but he didn't vote for him leader. him as leader. >> but he was the >> well, but he was in the shadow cabinet. that's, shadow cabinet. that's that's, you enough, isn't you know, that's enough, isn't it, to say that you are sort of supportive of your leader? >> an endorsement. supportive of your leader? >> i an endorsement. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, an endorsement. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, it's endorsement. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, it's izndorsement. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, it's i mean, lment. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, it's i mean, ifent. supportive of your leader? >> i mean, it's i mean, if i'm supportive of your leader? >> know, i, it's i mean, if i'm supportive of your leader? >> know, if t's i mean, if i'm supportive of your leader? >> know, if t's voted 1, if i'm supportive of your leader? >> know, if t's voted for: i'm you know, if we voted for a different candidate he voted for. >> yeah. in the leadership

election then kicked him out of the parliamentary party eventually. >> b ut eventually. >> but he had and for >> yes. but he had to. and for this reason, the division this very reason, the division that seeing they that we're seeing because they would win. not for would never win. no, not for this reason at all. i think this very reason at all. i think this very reason at all. i think this was one of the main reasons, and it was jeremy corbyn was had the whip removed from parliamentary party from the parliamentary party because response the because his response to the equalities rights equalities and human rights commission report on the labour party antisemitism so party antisemitism was so inappropriate party antisemitism was so inapproprmerited being kicked response merited being kicked out. think just out. i think you've just verified you've just verified and i think you've just backed my point. don't backed up my point. i don't think. anyway, stay think. but anyway, listen, stay with is gb news. we're with us. this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming radio. i'm nana akua just coming up minutes after 3:00. up to 33 minutes after 3:00. there's been outrage after a justgiving page set up justgiving page has been set up to funds for two police to raise funds for two police officers economical officers who've been economical with truth . i'll be asking with the truth. i'll be asking my fundraising for my panel if fundraising for officers in this way is the right thing to do. but first, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines with . aaron it's 332. headlines with. aaron it's 332. >> let's get you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom . some communications

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have been expressing disbelief. if after it was revealed a justgiving page set up for a pair of metropolitan police officers who were sacked after lying about the circumstances surrounding a stop and search of two black athletes has raised over £120,000. the news has even sparked outrage amongst former and serving police officers, with one saying, is this what we do now? raise money for lying cops? so should police be allowed to raise money for dishonest behaviour ? let's get dishonest behaviour? let's get the thoughts from my head to head as deputy leader of reform uk , ben habib, also the former uk, ben habib, also the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. peter what are your what's your view on this one? >> well, it's a pretty grim story. the police officers weren't truthful. the panel found truthful. found they weren't truthful. it didn't allegation didn't uphold the allegation of racism. as well as not racism. but as well as not telling the truth, they they handcuffed a mum who was who was out baby . so the police out with her baby. so the police were wrong thing. i've were in the wrong thing. i've got every sympathy for bianca williams and ricardo dos santos . williams and ricardo dos santos. why? just giving a hosting this page?i why? just giving a hosting this page? i have no idea at all. i

don't think they've broken any laws, but it seems wholly inappropriate. >> it but they might argue that actually they said that the car was on the other side of the road and there were certain things going on, which is why they stopped the car in the first sure. that's first instance. sure. but that's the the panel. the evidence of the panel. >> but but panel found >> but but the panel found against the police officers and against the police officers and a process has completed, which is mail and is why the daily mail and several other newspapers didn't say alleged it say they were alleged liars. it just liars. just said they are liars. >> what do you think, ben? >> what do you think, ben? >> well, i the sad bit of >> well, i think the sad bit of the story i mean, the whole thing but it would thing is sad, but it would appear here that there was aberrant and the aberrant driving and that the individual responsible been individual responsible had been pulled over a number times pulled over a number of times in the driving. and the past for bad driving. and that i mean, it's very hard to know the detail of the case, but to know the ultimate motives for what said and did. but what they said and did. but i suspect that , you know, given suspect that, you know, given that the allegation of racism wasn't upheld , given that there wasn't upheld, given that there wasn't upheld, given that there was no real push back on the central allegation that the person was driving badly, that the lie was probably only a really bad bit of judgement by

those two officers as but having said that , completely those two officers as but having said that, completely wrong for a police officer to lie in under any circumstances and they should have stuck to the truth , should have stuck to the truth, hopefully the truth would have prevailed in there, would have beenin prevailed in there, would have been in their favour and we wouldn't be where we are. but you know, if you lie, you lie. >> do you think that there was a racist element to it? because of course, saying that there's cannabis in the smell of cannabis, that sort of does put the assumption a lot of cannabis, that sort of does put the aspeople, n a lot of cannabis, that sort of does put the aspeople, you a lot of cannabis, that sort of does put the aspeople, you know, a lot of cannabis, that sort of does put the aspeople, you know, gett of cannabis, that sort of does put the aspeople, you know, get it,f black people, you know, get it, get searched with get stopped and searched with drugs on. that would drugs and so on. that would appear to be an attempt to sort of lay on a sort of well, they were definitely trying cover were definitely trying to cover their tracks, weren't they? >> to justify their tracks, weren't they? >> they'd to justify their tracks, weren't they? >> they'd pulled to justify their tracks, weren't they? >> they'd pulled the: justify their tracks, weren't they? >> they'd pulled the caritify their tracks, weren't they? >> they'd pulled the car over why they'd pulled the car over and, you know, give give more support their position. support to their own position. and that's one and that's that's where one sympathy officers has sympathy for those officers has to stop, because what they should have stuck to was should have rigidly stuck to was the . and if they had stuck the truth. and if they had stuck to the truth, hopefully assuming that they had stopped the car with good cause, hopefully they

would have prevailed anyway because the handcuffing seemed a bit over the top. >> i mean, i don't know what that's about. why did they handcuffed everything? that's about. why did they handcitfed everything? that's about. why did they handcit seemed everything? that's about. why did they handcit seemed a everything? that's about. why did they handcit seemed a bitverything? that's about. why did they handcit seemed a bit weirding? that's about. why did they handcit seemed a bit weird with yeah, it seemed a bit weird with a three month old baby in the back of car. back of the car. >> it's pretty evident they're not, and wasn't not, you know, and she wasn't even driving. not, you know, and she wasn't eveyeah. ing. not, you know, and she wasn't eveyeah. so. so to me, i mean, >> yeah. so. soto me, i mean, i don't know whether she, she went at them and did something, but that's not what they're reporting clearly she didn't reporting so clearly she didn't do so it do anything like that. so it doesn't make any sense doesn't really make any sense why should handcuff so why they should handcuff her. so do then knowing that do you think then knowing that and the opinions you and with the opinions that you genuinely agree that they're you know, lie, should they know, they did lie, should they be money in be allowed to raise money in that way? >> well, peter said, it's not >> well, as peter said, it's not illegal raise money. it is it illegal to raise money. it is it does appear to be inappropriate to raising money for two to be raising money for two police officers who've been found lying an found guilty of lying in an official well, official tribunal. well, and i mean, i think inappropriate mean, i think it's inappropriate because it's not illegal. you can't condemn it. but, you because it's not illegal. you can't condemn it . but, you know, can't condemn it. but, you know, it's inappropriate . it's inappropriate. >> well, let me put it another way. if you run a restaurant and the behaving the customers are not behaving properly , you can kick them out. properly, you can kick them out. and of other venues as

and plenty of other venues as well. so ifjust giving come and plenty of other venues as well. so if just giving come to the view that this is an appropriate which it obviously is to all of us, they can just kick them and they don't kick them off and they don't need to prove that a law has been broken. they just say this is a wrong do. just as is a wrong thing to do. just as you'd chuck someone out of a restaurant behaving in the restaurant for behaving in the wrong restaurant for behaving in the wro have ever heard them do >> have you ever heard them do that? never them do. >> i don't know. but it's up to just giving who they allow on their platform, isn't it? >> yeah. so they could return all the money and actually, yeah, that's interesting. i wonder anybody, wonder if there's anybody, if there's anybody watching from justgiving knows justgiving or anybody who knows anything whether. anything about that, whether. what thoughts you what are your thoughts on if you know, justgiving get know, whether justgiving can get kick platforms, kick people off platforms, although is although perhaps your view is that be allowed to that they should be allowed to raise money in this way anyway. and nobody's business. and it's nobody's business. get your to your thoughts in gb views to gbnews.com why not? tweet us gbnews.com or why not? tweet us at news. if you're just tuned at gb news. if you're just tuned in. welcome on board this gb in. welcome on board this is gb news. people's news. we are the people's channel. nana loads channel. i'm nana akua loads more to come. i'm going to more still to come. i'm going to read some of your emails though. ted touch. we talked ted has been in touch. we talked about the horrific, horrific situation and says situation in gaza and ted says the horrific situation in gaza

has caused by hamas, not has been caused by hamas, not just not israel just israel. it is not israel thatis just israel. it is not israel that is using human shields when external start external countries start demanding a ceasefire, how about starting first, then starting with hamas first, then maybe, israel might maybe, just maybe, israel might listen. kill a listen. if you plan to kill a tiger's cubs, be bet you'd tiger's cubs, you'd be bet you'd better a to deal with better have a plan to deal with the tiger. that's. yeah, it makes sense. i hear you. darren says to ceasefire, says with regard to ceasefire, a ceasefire only hamas. ceasefire would only help hamas. would allied troops in world war ii have agreed to ceasefire ii have agreed to a ceasefire when outskirts of berlin when on the outskirts of berlin of course not. and carl says with regard labour and with regard to labour and starmer , she says labour is no starmer, she says labour is no better under starmer than they were under jeremy corbyn. in my mind. well that's interesting. keep your thoughts coming gb views or tweet us at views gbnews.com or tweet us at gb now this story caught gb news. now this story caught my ahead of king charles's my eyes ahead of king charles's state visit kenya, which state visit to kenya, which begins on tuesday. one harvard professor has said that the king should apologise for atrocities committed by the british army dunng committed by the british army during the mau revolt over during the mau mau revolt over the 1950s. during his the 1950s. now, during his visit, charles will lay a wreath at kenya's tomb of the unknown warrior and view the mungo fig

tree a mug . mau i think i've got tree a mug. mau i think i've got that right. mugumo the mugumo fig tree planted at the site of the declaration of kenya's independence in 1963. but professor carolyn elkins says that he should go further and say the words sorry. so the question is , should king charles question is, should king charles apologise for the actions of the british empire? i'm going to start with you, abebe. start with you, ben abebe. should he? >> well, it's really interesting. you know, leap interesting. you know, the leap made what happened in the made from what happened in the 19505 made from what happened in the 1950s to present day and requiring an apology, he without really justifying why an apology is being requested for what purpose? is a very unusual purpose? this is a very unusual all look back at the dying embers, if you like, of the british empire, because in this particular instance, the case was taken to court in 2013, £20 million of reparations was adjudicated in favour of the families in a british court, by the way, which is a testimony to what a great system we have here, because we hold ourselves to account. £20 million of reparations awarded to 5000 reparations were awarded to 5000 surviving members of what

happenedin surviving members of what happened in the 1950s. but the bigger point here is that there are consistent and coordinated armed attacks on british culture and history. and we've seen it with black lives matter. we've seen it with accused actions of this being this country having made all its fortune on the back of the slave trade. the empire being an unmitigated force for evil. all these things are wrong. we should not be apologising for what happened. 100, 200 years ago . we can't 100, 200 years ago. we can't possibly begin to judge those events through the prism of the way we see the world at the moment. none of the people who they claim were abused are alive. none of the abusers are alive. none of the abusers are alive. and actually the british empire on the whole was a force for good. and i believe that to the core of my soul, we export limited british values of

justice. we established human rights, we abolish the slave trade. we then police the high seas in order to make sure that the slave trade was shut down. we didn'tjust the slave trade was shut down. we didn't just abolish the slave trade was shut down. we didn'tjust abolish it we didn't just abolish it ourselves. we went out to enforce that abolition. we exported our common law system to the world for which so many nafions to the world for which so many nations have been from which so many nations have benefited. and yes, we built schools, we built railways, and we were actually a force for good. and the no doubt events which call into , you events which call into, you know, no doubt events which we should be less proud of, know, no doubt events which we should be less proud of , where should be less proud of, where people were killed. but this this desire to make us apology guysis this desire to make us apology guys is nothing short of a desire to bring the united kingdom to its cultural knees. and we've got to resist it and refuse to do it . refuse to do it. >> peter edwards well, as to whether an apology is appropriate, i'd like to be guided by how the people of kenya actually feel about it. but think where part company but i think where i part company from ben perhaps, is that this is not some distant event from 200 years ago, mau 200 years ago, the mau mau revolt was put very

revolt was put down very brutally britain in the brutally by britain in the 19505. brutally by britain in the 1950s. know, that's 1950s. so, you know, that's that's war. that's within that's post war. that's within the of radio. it's the era of tv, of radio. it's relatively recent. and i, i think ben used the word largely unmitigated success. i would take nearly the polar opposite view of the british empire because i think britain then got rich on the back of killing people. and i think we're enjoying that financial benefit today . today. >> well, well, hang on. so you're even further back you're going even further back and saying think and saying that i think sometimes the historical context is in in an odd light is seen in in an odd light because the slave trade, for example, which would be one of the things that you're referring to, many, many hundreds of years ago, would be the thing that you think is one of things that think is one of the things that i'm presuming was one of the things britain as things that made britain as wealthy is now. well, wealthy as it is now. well, i think you've got realise that think you've got to realise that the trade was going in the slave trade was going on in africa the british africa before the british arrived, was the trade arrived, so that was the trade within that perfectly within africa that was perfectly legitimate the legitimate and legal. and the british to it came british cottoned on to it came to and then the africans to africa and then the africans sold their people to become slaves. think, you know, slaves. so i think, you know, whilst you say, oh, the britain

got rich on the back of the slave trade things like got rich on the back of the slavethisie things like got rich on the back of the slavethis was things like got rich on the back of the slavethis was a things like got rich on the back of the slavethis was a trade. like got rich on the back of the slavethis was a trade. and that, this was a trade. and actually british it. actually the british stopped it. but still going on in but it's still going on in africa there are over africa now there are over 700,000 slaves. find it 700,000 slaves. so i find it incredulous that people continue to oh, britain this, to go on, oh, britain did this, that when that that and the other. when that trade happening trade was happening in africa before came, the before the british came, the africans their people to africans sold their people to become of course, become slaves. and of course, the british then decided, you know, across know, after the deaths across the and the way it was all the seas and the way it was all going, it really was inhumane. and absolutely and and it absolutely was. and they stopped it's still going stopped it. but it's still going on in africa. and sorry. >> want me to answer that? >> you want me to answer that? yeah. so, mean, yeah. quickly. so, i mean, you use phrase and use the phrase legal and legitimate. so at the time, yes, it legal legitimate. it was legal but not legitimate. and in terms of the and i think in terms of the issue about the time it was. no, no, don't think it was it no, i don't think it was it absolutely was not legitimate because the time you're because at the time you're looking prison looking at the prison now, there's about whether there's a question about whether we're modern values. we're imposing modern values. and 200 years ago. but but killing in the source of killing people in the source of in pursuit of british empire in the pursuit of british empire was wrong. and there was a debate about it at the time, particularly ministers of particularly from ministers of religion in several faiths, not not church of england. not just the church of england. there and civil groups and

there were and civil groups and obviously they looked and sounded today. sounded different today. but there debate about the there was a debate about the evils empire and the violence evils of empire and the violence of empire at the time. >> it legal and legitimate >> it was legal and legitimate that time, i wouldn't that is, at the time, i wouldn't use word legitimate. use the word legitimate. >> it was it was legal, but i would at the time when legitimate is derived from the word touch a moral word legal, not to touch a moral or weight word. or moral weight to that word. >> well that's how they >> well well, that's how they saw and then eventually they saw it. and then eventually they decided wasn't decided that it wasn't acceptable. wouldn't acceptable. but they wouldn't have if they hadn't have have done it if they hadn't have thought the time, thought that. and at the time, that's they thought. now, that's what they thought. now, we've all acknowledged that it isn't right. certainly isn't right. it certainly isn't legitimate never legitimate and it should never happen. saying happen. but what i'm saying is my that is still my point is that it is still going africa and it it was going on in africa and it it was happening there before the british find it british got here. and i find it just incredible that people continuously the continuously act as though the british slavery. they british brought slavery. no they didn't. they didn't. >> just add, >> yeah. and i just like to add, every single in the every single country in the world in the world has participated in the slave a point in their slave trade at a point in their in their history. but the other thing to important thing i want to just important thing i want to just important thing wealth, by thing to cite is our wealth, by the way, is not driven purely through the empire. the through the empire. it was the agrarian was agrarian revolution which was then by the industrial then succeeded by the industrial revolution in amazing technological revolution in amazing technoiunited kingdom.

by the united kingdom. the harnessing by the united kingdom. the har|firstng by the united kingdom. the har|first time that propelled us the first time that propelled us fonnard the richest time in british history. actually was after we abolished the slave trade . the industrial trade. the industrial revolution. yeah, the industrial revolution. yeah, the industrial revolution. and we then championed and established human rights way ahead of other countries. and we did it when we were in a position of power, when we was there was no obugafion when we was there was no obligation to do it. we weren't doing it on in retreat. we were doing it on in retreat. we were doing it on in retreat. we were doing it when we were at the zenith our power. and zenith of our power. and i completely this notion completely refute this notion that you can look back through the british history and say the empire was unmitigated evil. i mean, it absolutely was not loads of european countries were aspiring to have empires, loads of european countries had empires. and let me tell you, the european empires were ruthless by comparison to the british empire. the dutch and the belgians, for example , the belgians, for example, wouldn't give two seconds thought to killing. i think it was leopold who killed 2 million people in the congo .

people in the congo. >> i mean, are we going to apologise for our behaviour now ? apologise for our behaviour now? like for example, the things the mining of lithium, the mining of some of these rare earth minerals that a lot of them we know there's a slave trade know that there's a slave trade going on with some of those things, some of the clothes things, even some of the clothes we're we going to we're wearing. are we going to now apologise to people now apologise to the people who we treating who are enslaved we are treating who are enslaved to us wealth that we to give us the wealth that we require? where does it end? >> well, this is where today we've got to recognise what slavery means because it had a legal status. however abhorrent, 200 but there 200 years ago. but there are people west today. people in west africa today. i think it's i defer to others, but mining like title but mining things like title omnium that go electronic omnium that go in electronic equipment, phones , they equipment, mobile phones, they may what might legally may not be what might be legally slaves absolutely slaves, but they're absolutely exploited. many exploited. and obviously many are dying as part of that work. >> that's what mean . >> slaves. that's what i mean. you the who built the you had the people who built the qatar is dying because qatar stadium is dying because they were basically refugees and people there and they people have gone there and they were literally enslaved. absolutely. we have absolutely. so there we have them. are them. but people are still harping about something. in harping on about something. in 19 something when 19 something, something when right now, a couple of years ago

was only a year ago when was the world cup was last year was it was only a year ago when was the wor know; was last year was it was only a year ago when was the wor know; was linekenr was it was only a year ago when was the wor know; was lineker andis it was only a year ago when was the wor know; was lineker and a it was only a year ago when was the wor know; was lineker and a load you know gary lineker and a load of went to qatar, of people went off to qatar, which the stadiums sat which the stadiums are sat in stadiums been by stadiums that have been built by slaves is nobody slaves. why? why is nobody looking apologise for that? looking to apologise for that? why we not demanding ? why are we not demanding? >> because there is my answer that briefly before going to ben. think , as you say, ben. so i think, as you say, we're horrified by what's going on in africa today . we're on in west africa today. we're horrified deaths in horrified by the deaths in a construction, particularly in guitar, up to the world construction, particularly in guitethe up to the world construction, particularly in guitethe reasoan to the world construction, particularly in guitethe reason we're:he world construction, particularly in guitethe reason we're havingld cup. the reason we're having a debate about mao mao rising in kenya and the wider history of british slavery because it was a british slavery because it was a british state, it as well as companies as i understand it these days, it's the private sector. , if the sector. you know, if the titanium bits are going in mobile phones, that's a private sector rather than a british government, for example. but but it's wrong anyway. >> but then the >> wrong is wrong. but then the whole argument is the moral argument. it's not who who is argument. it's not who is who is the so if the person behind it. so if we're so moral it, we're being so moral about it, then i half these then why? i bet half these people some sort then why? i bet half these pe apology. some sort then why? i bet half these pe apology. are some sort then why? i bet half these peapology. are quite some sort then why? i bet half these peapology. are quite happy. sort of apology. are quite happy. >> qatari government, i >> but the qatari government, i understand your question, but the government not

the qatari government is not going year after going to apologise a year after the world cup and a and a mobile phone company, of course, is not going it with going to want to touch it with a bargepole. point. that bargepole. that's my point. that is recognise is important to recognise that these happening these things are happening and people no point. >> by the way, the qataris are in with iranians. let's in bed with the iranians. let's not forget that either. in the context and israel, context of gaza and israel, which we've been discussing recently. just seems a lot of >> so it just seems a lot of people sitting on a moral high chair the british empire chair saying the british empire almost was sort of like inflating ego what they inflating an ego of what they are, british is. are, what the british empire is. but the reality of it it's but the reality of it is it's still all on now. we still all going on right now. we could apologising, we'd be could be apologising, we'd be apologising forever. well, let's thank much habib thank you very much to ben habib and peter their and also peter edwards. their thoughts are much appreciated. and keep them and yours at home. keep them coming, gb views. >> good afternoon. my is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest forecast latest news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so as we go through the rest of sunday, plenty of rain still around and that's all due to this area of low pressure out to this area of low pressure out to the west of the uk. it's this low in the north sea that's been bringing rain across scotland and northern parts of england

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al—quds hospital in gaza. the health ministry says there . she health ministry says there. she says just over 8000 people have been killed as israeli forces expand their ground operations . expand their ground operations. well, people are gathering this afternoon outside the embassy of qatar in london, calling on hamas to release all hostages . hamas to release all hostages. these pictures we can bring you are coming in live to us, which have frozen. so we can't bring them to you just yet. but i can tell you, it looks to be a peaceful demonstration. organisers have said the protests would involve more than 200 people standing together with posters of the innocent civilians kidnapped by the hamas terror group displayed the hollywood actor matthew perry, star of the sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. police were called to his home in los angeles , where he was found angeles, where he was found unresponsive in a hot tub. he became a household name as the dry and witty character, chandler bing and the enormous

success of friends, friends made it an iconic show in the 1990s. it ran for ten seasons and the final episode was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. warner brothers said in a statement. his comic genius was felt throughout the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many . police are being hearts of many. police are being encouraged to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to track down known offenders. policing minister chris philp says the technology . could be says the technology. could be used to scan more than 200,000 images, matching them against the police database. he's also encouraging officers to expand the use of live facial recognition so offenders might be identified on the spot. he says it will allow police to stay one step ahead of criminals and will make britain's streets safer for. meanwhile the number of police who've been sacked for misconduct is up by 70, with about 100 losing their jobs in the last 12 months. the

metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, says the number is likely to increase as the force cracks down on those who are unfit to serve . an ice hockey star has serve. an ice hockey star has died after he was slashed in the neck during a game in sheffield. 28 year old adam johnson suffered a freak accident during nottingham panthers challenge cup game against the sheffield steelers last night. the panthers have said they're devastated and they've paid tribute to the star, saying he'll never be forgotten . two he'll never be forgotten. two people have been arrested after a woman with seriously injured in a suspected dog attack in north tyneside. police believe the dogs to be two xl bullies as the dogs to be two xl bullies as the 29 year old woman has taken a hospital while the two dogs have been detained by vets . a 22 have been detained by vets. a 22 year old woman and a 31 year old man have been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of dog a dangerously out of control dog . scotland's refugee minister is asking the uk government for urgent funding to help community ortiz house migrants. emma roddick supports the

government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and says tackling a backlog in cases should be a priority . but she should be a priority. but she warns that shifting the financial burden onto local authorities would be unacceptable and reckless. the immigration minister, robert jenrick, said this week the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months as and a us tech entrepreneur says the nhs backlog cannot be solved without technological innovation . alex karp is the chief executive and co—founder of plantier, which is bidding to win a contract to provide ai software to the health service. he says the use of artificial intelligence in health care would speed up systems and improve life expectancy. it comes as nhs waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by next summer . well we are live next summer. well we are live across the uk on tv , on digital across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker to now it's back to nana .

to now it's back to nana. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is the gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is the gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . god, there's nothing nana akua. god, there's nothing like marking your own homework . like marking your own homework. seriously? the bbc are in a privileged position . they are privileged position. they are self regulated. so if you or i want to complain about their output, we would be put through an internal bbc complaints procedure and it is then to down the bbc as to whether they will refer themselves to ofcom . i refer themselves to ofcom. i want to laugh out loud . so like want to laugh out loud. so like marking their own homework or let me see what score am i going to give myself out of ten? oh, i think that that'll be an 11. after criticism from the government, tim davie, who heads up the bbc, has now declared that he will personally oversee see the complaints unit in an attempt to shake up and strengthen it . well, that fills

strengthen it. well, that fills me with confidence . not the same me with confidence. not the same tim davie, that when it came to reprimanding gary lineker for repeatedly overstepping the mark, did a complete about turn . mark, did a complete about turn. great. even when the bbc were having a pop at gb news on their once flagship news programme, newsnight laying into us with sheer abandon , only later sheer abandon, only later admitting to breaching their own guidelines after being pressed by mp and gb news star by shipley mp and gb news star philip davies. did they offer an admission of guilt? have listen. >> you know, i have to say, i think the complaints have piled up against gb news. i think there is a delicate and important broadcast ecology in this country . this country. >> i think, you know , gb news is >> i think, you know, gb news is trying to bust that ecology . and trying to bust that ecology. and frankly, what ofcom should do is shut it down like it shut down. rt >> yeah, victoria was listening intently as adam boulton slices into gb news without a word of pushback or balance. philip said that many of his constituents had come to him about the show,

leading him to file an official complaint to the bbc. apparently ofcom has yet to confirm that they've launched investigate negation. philip, who has faced his own breach for an interview on his show with wife esther on gb news after an interview with jeremy hunt , said after one jeremy hunt, said after one month of waiting, the bbc finally responded to him, admitting that they breached impartiality rules . admitting that they breached impartiality rules. but admitting that they breached impartiality rules . but they impartiality rules. but they stopped short of an apology . in stopped short of an apology. in my experience, when you do complain, they send you about the houses in the hope that you'll give up a sort of attrition, which is what philip described. let's not mention described. and let's not mention the mess that they made on the israel—hamas conflict when they determined without any due diligence, who had fired the missile near the hospital . missile near the hospital. >> but, you know , it is hard to >> but, you know, it is hard to see what else this could be really , given the size of the really, given the size of the explosion in other than an israeli airstrike or several airstrikes . ai rstri kes. >> how airstrikes. >> how much will they find themselves for that one, if they

had been here on gb news, they'd have locked the door and thrown away the key. they are now being mocked around the . world mocked around the. world >> good evening from london. >> good evening from london. >> here are some news from the war in gaza. >> israel has bombed a hospital , >> israel has bombed a hospital, killing hundreds of innocent people , while more and more , people, while more and more, much better . much better. >> with more details , our middle >> with more details, our middle east correspondent harry white guilt. >> good evening , rachel. >> good evening, rachel. >> good evening, rachel. >> from the illegal colony of tel aviv. >> israeli officials have denied bombing the hospital , but we bombing the hospital, but we have video footage showing what really happened . really happened. >> well, in a statement, the bbc said that we have been engaged, constructive early with the government throughout the mid term review process, which is explicitly focussed on governance and regulation as set out in the bbc charter and we await publication of the findings . well, we pay for them .

findings. well, we pay for them. they the bbc should not be their own judge and jury. and if they don't want to go through ofcom like other broadcasters, then we, the public, should determine their fate . so before we get their fate. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking is israel's response to the hamas justified? israeli struck israeli fighter jets have struck over 450 hamas targets over 450 hamas military targets in the gaza strip as they expand military ground operations . military ground operations. meanwhile, the un is warning that civil order is breaking down. so for the great british debate this hour , i'm asking is debate this hour, i'm asking is israel's response to hamas justified? then at 450, it's world view. now we'll cross live to los angeles with paul duddndge to los angeles with paul duddridge to get the latest on the us politics, where former vice president mike pence has announced that he's withdrawing from race. from the republican race. meanwhile, joe biden is apparently losing support over the way he's handled the conflict hamas . plus, i'll be conflict in hamas. plus, i'll be speaking israeli spokesman

speaking to israeli spokesman ellen levy on the ground operations amid a destroying hamas . a warning that some of hamas. a warning that some of you may find this video distressing , but seared in my distressing, but seared in my mind . mind. >> are the bodies burned , bodies >> are the bodies burned, bodies beheaded bodies . beheaded bodies. >> this was hamas, october 7th massacre. >> this is the evil that we are up against. >> we'll be speaking to him live .then >> we'll be speaking to him live . then at 5:00. it's this week's outside. he's a radio presenter. he's a tv presenter, a dj. he most famously worked on children's itv . the programme children's itv. the programme was funhouse . who is he? he'll was funhouse. who is he? he'll be joining me live in the studio that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right. tweet me at. gb news. all right. let's welcome again my panel. let's welcome again my panel. let's get started. broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also author and broadcaster christine hamilton . right. so christine hamilton. right. so i'm going to start with you,

danny. your favourite subject because you used to work for the bbc as well after travelling 96 miles to get here and 15 years with the bbc in the midlands after being fired . after being fired. >> i'm getting fired. yeah, yeah i >> which which i've spoken about. >> yeah. okay >> yeah. okay >> i can't get anything right, can they firing you ? can they firing you? >> so should they be right to be able to mark their own homework pretty much and have their own. they've got their own internal complaints which you complaints unit which if you complaints unit which if you complain programme, it complain about a programme, it goes complaints goes through that complaints unit it's down to them unit and then it's down to them to whether they to determine whether they will then ofcom. then refer themselves to ofcom. >> that they >> well, no, i think that they need neutral third party to need a neutral third party to get with the complaints get involved with the complaints procedure. >> i can. >> i can. >> well, wouldn't that be ofcom like everybody else? well no. >> the bbc. >> maybe the bbc? no, the bbc. to the bbc, they're to be fair to the bbc, they're good setting up third party good at setting up third party sort groups people to look sort of groups of people to look at programmes. at bbc programmes. they already do so they could get do it. so. so they could get maybe half dozen reporters and maybe half a dozen reporters and journalists, you know, from different organisations and they could be filtered through to , could be filtered through to, to, to those 4 or 5, six people to, to those 4 or 5, six people

to start marking homework. the problem with the bbc is that it's biased and we, we spoke about it with the attack on gb news. now if that wasn't because of one of gb news presenters, philip surname davis okay , yeah. philip surname davis okay, yeah. philip. philip davis if that wasn't for him to actually push this, then that would have been swept under the carpet. >> that's the problem, >> well, that's the problem, isn't were gb isn't it? whereas if it were gb news, up, up, up in news, we'd be up, up, up in ofcom we'd be wasting . correct. >> but if, if that's >> but, but if, if that's allowed to be broadcast, then you what the complaints you know what the complaints department like . department are going to be like. the complaints department will be biased the producers be as biased as the producers and of and the presenter of that programme. be swept programme. um, it will be swept under carpet . under the carpet. >> the problem, >> well, that's the problem, isn't you know, it's isn't it? so, you know, so it's wrong them their own wrong for them to mark their own homework. >> christine absolutely it is. and they were and you mentioned that they were setting procedure. >> who appoints the people who are going look, look, look at are going to look, look, look at the complaints. >> it's not really >> they do. so it's not really any different. complained any different. i complained about newsnight programme about that newsnight programme along other along with thousands of other people. was there people. there was there was an avalanche complaints about avalanche of complaints about that. boulton was that. i mean, adam boulton was bang out of order and victoria derbyshire , she's very, very

derbyshire, she's a very, very experienced broadcast . and i experienced broadcast. and i found extraordinary that she found it extraordinary that she didn't need to push back didn't see the need to push back . as you if it had been gb . as you say, if it had been gb news good heavens, i got a perfectly polite but mealy mouthed blah this and blah that. reply from the bbc. i suspect that most people like me when that most people like me when that programme went out was not were not previously aware that you couldn't complain about the bbc to ofcom . it never crossed bbc to ofcom. it never crossed my mind that you had to complain to them first. and then they decided whether to refer themselves ofcom . i mean, it themselves to ofcom. i mean, it is unbelievable . i am is absolutely unbelievable. i am honestly getting to the stage . honestly getting to the stage. i'm break the law and i'm about to break the law and not renew bbc licence. i am not renew my bbc licence. i am so fed up. i'm not advocating anyone else does it? >> but you shouldn't be saying, look, i am so fed up with it. there are ways that you can you know, watch tv without having to pay know, watch tv without having to pay the licence, which are perfectly legitimate . it perfectly legitimate. it wouldn't be a tv. i think it's a monitor, i'm not going to give. >> just say i didn't >> i'd just like to say i didn't do it without you. i didn't i didn't watch that newsnight programme in real time , as it

programme in real time, as it were, i watch were, because i don't watch newsnight. the point? were, because i don't watch nev notght. the point? were, because i don't watch nevnotght. it. the point? were, because i don't watch nevnotght. it. i the point? were, because i don't watch nevnotght. it. i watchedrt? were, because i don't watch nev notght. it. i watched it�* it's not worth it. i watched it subsequently . so no, you're subsequently. so no, you're right. i don't watch the bbc. i don't even listen to it anymore on radio four, going to the on radio four, going back to the adam boulton , his comment adam boulton, his comment that was sneering absolutive , was just sneering absolutive, vitriol and arrogance from a man well experienced in broadcasting . those adjectives are absolutely bang on the money for adam boulton and sneering, vindictive, arrogant just for victoria derbyshire. >> well, he's not here to defend himself. >> no, but what we're doing is we're commentating on his comments. i'm just telling comments. but i'm just telling you that to here defend you that he's not to here defend himself. i'm doing what himself. so i'm. i'm doing what my what my job. which is what victoria should have done when it to. it came to. >> that's great point because >> that's a great point because you it reminded of? >> that's a great point because you it it reminded of? >> that's a great point because you it it it reminded of? >> that's a great point because you it it reminded ninded of? >> that's a great point because you it it reminded me ed of? >> that's a great point because you it it reminded me of of? >> that's a great point because you it it reminded me of fourof? none. it it reminded me of four middle islington snobs middle class islington snobs around cocktail party around a cocktail party nodding in when the mp said in agreement when the mp said like russia today they should be they should be bowed down. yeah. victoria just in a way that was the opportunity for her to say, hang on, you can't compare gb

news the people's channel with putin's mouthpiece . yes, putin's mouthpiece. yes, exactly. you're out of order. but she didn't. all she did was carry nodding at them like carry on nodding at them like she's agreement . and she's in complete agreement. and that wrong. and that was the that was wrong. and that was the bias saturates the bbc bias that saturates the bbc manifesting on television in front of your very eyes. >> well, just to remind you that in your statement they said and they looking this they are looking to address this situation their situation with regard to their internal have internal complaints, we have been constructively with been engaged constructively with the throughout the government throughout the mid process, which mid term review process, which is explicitly focussed on governance regulation as set governance and regulation as set out the bbc charter. governance and regulation as set out the bbc charter . and we out in the bbc charter. and we await publication of the findings. so that is part of the statement that they in statement that they said. in other are going to other words, they are going to look situation of the look into the situation of the complaints procedure, but they've davie davie they've put tim davie tim davie is offering to be in charge of it off the grass. it off into the long grass. >> their own >> exactly. marking their own homework. again still the same. >> i disagree. >> you know, i disagree. >> you know, i disagree. >> davie understands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality davie understands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality of davie understands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality of theivie understands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality of the future derstands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality of the future ofrstands >> you know, i disagree. >> reality of the future of the1ds the reality of the future of the licence fee. and i think he knows that he has to sort of try and bring this back to some sort of normality and balance. i think tim davie is the man to

try bbc. well, try and save the bbc. well, i think i mean, look, interesting. >> believe is a place >> i believe there is a place for bbc, but think they for the bbc, but i think they have to play the rules like everybody and think everybody else. and i also think that, of that, yeah, i think a lot of their programming is very good. and, know, could and, you know, if they could just, remain just, you know, remain impartial, people be impartial, then people would be quite on with it. quite happy to carry on with it. but this the news. we're but this is the gb news. we're live online and on live on tv, online and on digital nana akua digital radio nana akua if you just it's fast just join me, it's fast approaching 17 minutes after 4:00. next, it's time for the 4:00. up next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and israel's and i'm asking, is israel's response hamas justified? response to hamas justified? i've got to right on i've got to pull up right now on asking you that very question. send your thoughts. gb views send me your thoughts. gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. i'm asking is israel's response to hamas justified cast your vote. now

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against hamas , unleashing against hamas, unleashing a second phase and vowing to destroy the enemy above ground and below ground . meanwhile, and below ground. meanwhile, communications have been partially restored to the gazans , having been cut off from the outside world with israel allowing more to aid more aid to reach the strip in the coming days. that's following the continued bombardment. western countries have generally backed what they've called israel's right to self—defence. but us president joe biden has warned that whilst israel has a right to respond, it's retaliate . to respond, it's retaliate. action must be according to the rule of law. so if the great british debate this hour, i'm asking israel response to hamas justified . well, joining me to justified. well, joining me to discuss , peter edwards, former discuss, peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist , ben editor of the labourlist, ben habib, deputy leader for reform uk. david meltzer , middle east uk. david meltzer, middle east expert and if we haven't got a where's yosef? david? is he there ? right. let's see what i'm there? right. let's see what i'm going to start with yusuf. david

hi there. >> with regard to if israel is justified in their actions , is justified in their actions, is israel are fighting an existential war? i think it's more appropriate to ask , does more appropriate to ask, does israel have any choice ? israel israel have any choice? israel needs to recover its citizens. there are over 200 citizens held hostage . in gaza, and israel hostage. in gaza, and israel needs to be able to go in and get them . and it needs to be get them. and it needs to be noted that hamas are prepared for this , in addition, for this, in addition, tragically, to the 200 hostages that are held. there's an additional over 2 million people, the palestinians , that people, the palestinians, that we can consider to be hostages of hamas as well . israel like of hamas as well. israel like any other country in the world, cannot sit quietly while they're hostage , while their citizens hostage, while their citizens are butchered and brutalised in the way that they have been . but the way that they have been. but it needs to be stated actually , it needs to be stated actually, that the one thing that would de—escalate the situation is not in israel's hands . israel are in israel's hands. israel are trying to release the hostages ,

trying to release the hostages, but hamas have the power to release the hostages. and also cease the hostilities of the rocket fire that have been coming in since the attack . coming in since the attack. >> you know, that's interesting that you have pointed that out because israel have faced constant bombardment even before this from rockets continuously coming from gaza, which is why they have the iron dome, because they have the iron dome, because they don't really want to fire any rockets back because they realise the bigger realise they are the bigger powers. edwards excuse me, powers. peter edwards excuse me, i thought you also made a number of good points. >> i mean, this was the biggest killing of jews since the holocaust in israel. and as we speak, civilians speak, palestinian civilians are dying so it's dying in gaza. so it's unbelievably grim. yosef unbelievably grim. but as yosef said, one of the points that's perhaps reported, but less perhaps been reported, but less so is that is still so is that hamas is still attacking israel now by firing rockets, as well as holding more than 200 people kidnapped . and i than 200 people kidnapped. and i suspect in horrific conditions . suspect in horrific conditions. we've also seen in palestine and, you know, hospitals destroyed and people on the streets, vast numbers dead. israel has to act proportion

fully and within the law, the thing i'm puzzling over is they want to destroy hamas, a completely legitimate aim. when do we judge that complete? >> this is a good question. ben habib well, again , i endorse habib well, again, i endorse what yusuf said in it's less about justification and more aboutjustification and more aboutjustification and more about the existential threat which israel faces and therefore has no choice but to take the war to hamas. >> and i think the integrity of israel's position is revealed by the fact that it isn't sitting back and just bombing gaza to smithereens. actually, what it's doing is putting ground troops into gaza at great risk to israeli lives, and that hand to hand fighting that building to building fighting, which is going to be extremely difficult for the idf , proves if proof is for the idf, proves if proof is needed that it's hamas thereafter, it's not a war against the palestinian people, it's hamas that israel is going after. and it's brave of those israeli soldiers to go into gaza and put their lives at risk in order to deliver that result .

order to deliver that result. and if israel didn't take this action, it would embolden hamas. it would embolden hezbollah , and it would embolden hezbollah, and we would perpetuate the cycle , we would perpetuate the cycle, which i'm afraid in the west were slightly guilty of since 2006, perpetuate the cycle of allowing hamas to continue to exist, emboldening iran to finance hamas. and for this unholy relationship between shia , iran and sunni hamas to continue to threaten israel's existence, hamas has to be destroyed . destroyed. >> but could it not be argued, ben, because i hear that. but could it not be argued that actually doing this and, you know, creating this, you know, going on with it will actually create more war rather than sort of create more more animosity ? of create more more animosity? it will create more people who want to fight against israel . want to fight against israel. and of course, there'll be lots more retribution. ben. i mean , more retribution. ben. i mean, surely that is something that israel needs to really consider? well, i think the polarisation and radicalisation of people through war is obviously well established . established. >> but as far as the region is

concerned, the 23 arab nations in and around gaza and the vast majority of those arab nations, if not all of them actually are sick and tired of hamas, sick and tired of the fight against israel trying to extinguish israel's existence. and i think the whole the whole situation arose because saudi arabia was on the verge of recognising israel and was going to get quite a balance of power tipped in its favour against iran. and iran got hamas to do its dirty work. and in gauge israel in this war, israel had no option. well, i but i'm listening to you saying that the majority of people don't want around. >> they don't really want this. but there does seem to be you know, there's hezbollah , there's know, there's hezbollah, there's all factions around all the other factions around there. been right in there. if it's been right in saying that a lot of the nations around there are not into this this particular fight. >> well , i this particular fight. >> well, i think this particular fight. >> well , i think there's this particular fight. >> well, i think there's many nafions >> well, i think there's many nations that are wary of egypt and jordan have shown themselves not to want to take refugees for

fear of what might happen in their country. and i would say that every nation deserves to rule itself . i think the rule itself. i think the palestinian people deserve a homeland of their own. but before that can happen, you need to have leadership who want peace. hamas, make it very clear that what they want is annihilation and genocide . so annihilation and genocide. so you cannot have peace with that. you cannot restart the peace process while hamas are embedded in the civilian population in gaza. >> but i put it to you as well that this particular continuing with the fighting will create potential more people who are terrorists . in effect, more terrorists. in effect, more anger , more wish for retribution i >> -- >> it's very possible to be in a situation where all the alternatives are very difficult . alternatives are very difficult. and this is a very, very difficult situation . an israel difficult situation. an israel is caught in between a rock and a hard place , as are the a hard place, as are the palestinian civilians . the best palestinian civilians. the best thing we can for hope is that through all this bloodshed and death, there's a new leadership in gaza that comes through and

wants peace. >> but how do we know that the people in gaza are not happy with the with hamas as their leadership? i mean , if there was leadership? i mean, if there was to be election there, perhaps to be an election there, perhaps the people would vote for hamas themselves. you yourself said that nation has right that every nation has the right to determine its leadership . to determine its own leadership. >> well, i have to congratulate hamas on having won election victory all those years ago, as is , unfortunately, the islamist is, unfortunately, the islamist tradition. you have the one election there were some polling done and prior to the war, hamas was deeply , deeply unpopular. was deeply, deeply unpopular. but there was growing this popularity with hamas . the war popularity with hamas. the war has has changed things as it tends to do to. but hamas is a totalitaire , an organisation totalitaire, an organisation that shoot people for listening to music to gay people, to the back of motorbikes and drive them down the road and ruthlessly pursue and brutalise anyone they see as not following their way. we can assume that there are gazans who many gazans who do not want hamas leadership

i >> does it not feel, peter, that a lot of the palestinian people will be and israelis, of course, the troops going in and the potential for israeli citizens to be hurt again ? does it not to be hurt again? does it not feel that a lot of the palestinian people there will be almost to this? >> yeah, i mean, it's a horrible phrase, but it's some truth in it. and can't i'm not it. and i can't i'm not qualified to speak for ordinary citizens but citizens on either side. but again, i think joseph alluded to this. has brought this. hamas has brought suffering on ordinary palestinian people as well as anti—semitic terrorist murder at anti—semitic terrorist murder at a peace restore in israel . and a peace restore in israel. and it was aware that its actions would lead to reprisal . and would lead to reprisal. and you've got 7000 dead. you've got people on the move. you've got appalling conditions around food and sanitation. and we've obviously we've not had the humanitarian pause yet. hamas would have been aware when they initiated an attack on a peace festival that there would be consequences sorry, consequences as well. sorry, just . and why just to finish. and that's why we need a pause, because this is, you know, it's a bit of a backward looking conversation,

although completely although it's a completely reasonable to put. but, reasonable question to put. but, you it's telling you know, i think it's telling that two leaders in britain that the two leaders in britain talk about having a pause because you need get the aid in. >> oh, well, listen, thank you for thoughts. peter for your thoughts. peter edwards, the edwards, former editor of the labourlist, ben habib, deputy leader party. and leader for the reform party. and yosef political yosef david is a political commentator . yosef david is a political commentator. right. so what do you think is? gb news. you think this is? gb news. we're live on tv online, on we're live on tv online, and on digital we'll digital radio. coming up. we'll continue great british continue with the great british debate and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, response to debate this hour. and i'm asking,justified response to debate this hour. and i'm asking,justified ? response to debate this hour. and i'm asking,justified ? you'll|se to debate this hour. and i'm asking,justified ? you'll hear the hamas justified? you'll hear the thoughts panel , hamas justified? you'll hear the thoughts panel, danny thoughts of my panel, danny kelly hamilton. kelly and christine hamilton. but first, get your latest but first, let's get your latest news headlines with . aaron news headlines with. aaron >> it is half past four. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. the prime minister, rishi sunak , has spoken to the rishi sunak, has spoken to the french president, emmanuel macron, in an effort to address the growing humanitarian crisis in . downing street says the in gaza. downing street says the two leaders are united in their view that aid must be allowed into the besieged enclave. the united nations is warning civil order starting to fade there as

thousands of people have broken into centres desperate into aid centres in a desperate search for basic supplies . search for basic supplies. meanwhile, the world health organisation says it's deeply concerned claims by the concerned about claims by the palestinian red crescent that israel's told them to immediately evacuate a key hospital in gaza. the health ministry says just over 8000 people have been killed as israeli forces have expanded their ground operations . sir their ground operations. sir keir starmer unlikely to sack anyone for disagreeing with labour's position on israel. that's to according the shadow science secretary, peter kyle. sir keir's echoed the un's call for a humanitarian pause in fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza. but many in the party want him to go further and back. a ceasefire . the and back. a ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry has died at the age of 54. he became a household name in the sitcom friends as the dry, witty chandler bing, one of six central stars in the show that ran for ten seasons until 2004, the series became an icon in the 1990s. during his time on the

show, perry struggled with addiction and anxiety. warner brothers say his comic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many . and an ice hearts of many. and an ice hockey star has died after he was slashed in the neck during a game in sheffield. 28 year old adam johnson suffered a freak accident during nottingham panthers challenge cup game with sheffield steelers last night. the panthers have said they're devastated and they've paid tribute to the star, saying he will forgotten . in that will never be forgotten. in that is it for the moment. i'll be back with more at the top of the next hour or you can get more now on our website, gbnews.com. now over to nana . now it's over to nana. >> thank you, aaron. coming up, a special interview that you will not want to miss at 445 in worldview , a israeli spokesman worldview, a israeli spokesman and former international media adviser to the president of israel, ellen levi, will be live

discussing the ground operations aimed at destroying hamas . a aimed at destroying hamas. a warning, though, that some of you may find this video distressing, but seared in my mind . mind. >> are the bodies burned , bodies >> are the bodies burned, bodies beheaded bodies . beheaded bodies. >> this was hamas, october 7th massacre. >> this is the evil that we are up against it. >> i'll be speaking to ellen levi in around about ten minutes time. that's to come here on

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news. >> good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, where have you been? it's just coming up to 37 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. we were talking about the horrific situation in gaza. lots of you are getting in touch. keep your thoughts in. i asking thoughts coming in. i was asking israel's response to hamas appropriate . gordon says it appropriate. gordon says it absolutely. yes mick says it's almost unbelievable . this is almost unbelievable. this is with regard to the bbc. i had a little monologue earlier, said it's almost unbelievable that we're discussing our national broadcaster in context of broadcaster in the context of misreporting the news, misrepresenting history and bias in political representation. in fact , it's a in political representation. in fact, it's a disgrace that this is globally shown at the is a globally shown at the current uk as the current uk . current uk as the current uk. yeah. and paul on the bbc says once upon a time the bbc was a springboard for fresh talent and ideas. now it's become care ideas. now it's become a care home beens and never was home for has beens and never was . i love that . what you mean? . i love that. what you mean? well, that's his thoughts .

well, that's his thoughts. that's his thoughts. so i think he did caveat it by saying that onceit he did caveat it by saying that once it was brilliant and i agree with you. but let's continue with our great british debate. so keep them coming. i'm asking, is israel's response to hamas ? and idf fighter hamas justified? and idf fighter jets have struck over 450 hamas military targets in gaza over the past 24 hours, as the un warns , gazans have broken into warns, gazans have broken into aid centres in search for vital supplies. now the west has backed what they've called as israel's right to self—defence. but us president joe biden has warned retaliate action must be according to the rule of law . so according to the rule of law. so for the great british debate, sir, i'm asking, is israel's response to hamas justified ? response to hamas justified? well, let's see what my panel make that. joining me, make of that. joining me, broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and kelly, also author and broadcaster hamilton christine. >> yes , i think it is. i mean, >> yes, i think it is. i mean, if hamas don't think it's proportionate , why don't they proportionate, why don't they release the hostages as long as those hostages are held in probably horrendous conditions , probably horrendous conditions, ones that elderly lady was released the other day who was

so amazing, she actually offered the hand of peace to the hamas captor who handed her over her husband is still being captive, so she couldn't really talk. one felt in all truth about what was going on. but as long as they are still holding these captives and know and i'm even and we all know and i'm not even going repeat now, going to repeat it now, we all know absolute horrors that know the absolute horrors that they have inflicted on people. i mean, the videos that international journalists had to watch and they have all reported were just so. yes, they are. of course, they should avoid civilian course, they should avoid civiwell, were invited to >> well, they were invited to watch it? ellen watch them, wasn't it? ellen levy actually gentleman levy is actually the gentleman who spokesperson who put who was the spokesperson who put that together. so he's on later, youyes. avoid civilian >> yes. avoid civilian casualties, that's very casualties, but that's very difficult hamas difficult when hamas deliberately themselves in deliberately hide themselves in tunnels underneath hospitals and things. lot of things. and also an awful lot of objects and structures, buildings , roads are basically buildings, roads are basically could be regarded as civilian, but they become military if sort of weapons are being rolled along the roads and things. so it's very, very difficult and there are bound to be mistakes and is and proportionality is

desperately important. but israel has every absolute right to defend themselves. and but what about but there's a lot of palestinians who are going to get caught in this crossfire. >> and this is the thing, daniel, you know, of course, because we talk about israeli lives forget the lives and we cannot forget the horrendousness of the 7th of october. will forget october. i will never forget that. it frightens me that. i mean, it frightens me even own house. i think, even in my own house. i think, oh, my god, know, anything oh, my god, you know, anything like happening in this like that happening in this country, we would we would be we would we would would not allow that. we would be what you think? be on it. so what do you think? >> about the >> i worry about the proportionality and christine is so know, when hamas so right. you know, when hamas did on the did what they did on the seventh, that was against international worry international law. and i worry that walking a fine that israel is walking a fine line not being in line between not being in accordance with international law and being in accordance with international law, because the legal is proportionality. legal term is proportionality. so how much collateral damage is legally justified in order for israel to achieve their aim of wiping out hamas? now, christine says something really interesting, almost like this was leverage in order to get the

hostages back. i don't think although that's a vital part of israel's game. i don't think thatis israel's game. i don't think that is totally their game. i think they want to destroy hamas. >> well, they have said that they must destroy. >> they have to because you must. because in the covenant and i think it's article seven of covenant, is that of their covenant, it is that they kill all jews. they want to kill all jews. i mean, that's what it pretty much is they said that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew they said that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will they said that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be:hey said that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be iny said that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be in asaid that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be in a tree that mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be in a tree .1at mean, that's what it pretty much is jew will be in a tree . they the jew will be in a tree. they want kill the jews. that's want to kill the jews. that's what they're saying well. what they're saying as well. >> that that >> so. so following that that train that israel train of thought that israel should yeah. well should go into iran. yeah. well no, because iran have not come in specifically and done what hamas did to its people on the 7th of october. >> have they? well no, but you could argue that it was a weakness israeli weakness in the israeli intelligence allowed that weakness in the israeli inihappen:e allowed that weakness in the israeli inihappen:e the allowed that weakness in the israeli inihappen:e the firstned that weakness in the israeli inihappen:e the first place. it weakness in the israeli inihappen:e the first place. no to happen in the first place. no the reason it happened in the first because hamas first place was because hamas sent people to this, sent their people in to do this, not because the weakness. no, no. >> but it's the intelligence of the normally the israeli the israeli normally the israeli intelligence so ironclad. >> but let them down. >> but let them down. >> they didn't it to >> but they didn't allow it to happen. listen, show's happen. but listen, this show's nothing your nothing without you and your viewers. a great viewers. that's why i'm a great british voice. is there opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and tell what they think

and tell us what they think about topics we're about the topics we're discussing? i've got john reading john, reading kidderminster, john, what mean, what do you think then? i mean, israel's response to hamas justified ? justified? >> uh, it's a hard one and or isn't it? >> what hamas did in the first place is obviously contrary to international law. >> it's contrary to anybody's moral code who could justify possibly doing what they did. can we understand the israeli response? yes i can understand it. >> but the old thing about an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, you know, we're also talking about escalation, aren't we? think that we? and don't think that that war should be escalated in this way. now don't have an answer. i don't know if i was in charge of israel, how i would respond to such an atrocity as hamas carried out. but i would find a way and i don't see that just killing thousands people is killing thousands of people is going to resolve the problem of the east. you know, the middle east. you know, i don't know enough about it now, nana would expect the nana would expect that the middle in its middle east could do with in its entirety settling down and trying live some kind of trying to live some kind of a life like we enjoy in the west. >> yeah , they can't. >> so, yeah, they can't. >> so, yeah, they can't. >> well, that would be nice if

we could get some peace and nobody would fight anybody. but unfortunately that doesn't look like going any like that's going to happen any time soon. brian, thank you very much me. that's it's much forjoining me. that's it's not is it? is brian, isn't not brian is it? is brian, isn't it? it's brian. it's john. for some reason, although i thought it was brian too good. brian, you're not you're john reading it.thank you're not you're john reading it. thank you very much. he's my great british voice with great british voice you're with me. this is me. i'm narinder kaur. this is gb tv, online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up the digital radio. coming up in the next great british next hour for the great british debate, the debate, i'm asking should the nhs demo leader have his nhs jihad demo leader have his doctor's licence revoked ? yes, doctor's licence revoked? yes, he's a doctor, but next it's worldview and we get the latest on what's coming on in the us and israel. and i'll be speaking to israeli spokesman and former international media adviser and president to the president of israel, ellen levi . he's talking israel, ellen levi. he's talking about the ground operations aimed at destroying hamas. you won't want to miss that . won't want to miss that. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news. weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so as we go through the

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>> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 11 minutes to 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. it's time now for world view. and joining me to talk about the latest the talk about the latest on the hamas and israeli conflict is israeli government spokesman and former international media adviser to the president of israel, ellen levi. ellen, thank you so much forjoining me. it's good to talk to you. i wanted to get from you . what's the latest get from you. what's the latest on the ground invasion in gaza . on the ground invasion in gaza. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> the latest is that israel is pushing ahead with our campaign to destroy hamas in response to the october 7th massacre. >> it's been only three weeks since hamas death squads invaded southern israel and shot, raped, mutilated , burned, beheaded. mutilated, burned, beheaded. >> everyone in sight . we're >> everyone in sight. we're still counting and collecting bodies and trying to identify them because some of them were burned beyond recognition. >> in the last few days, >> in in the last few days, israel expanded its ground

israel has expanded its ground operations in the last 24 hours. >> as of this morning, israel struck over 450 targets inside the gaza strip, including senior hamas commanders, including terror tunnels. >> and we're expanding those ground operations because our goalin ground operations because our goal in this war that hamas has dragged us into is to totally defeat hamas so it can never again hurt our people as it did on october 7th. >> but how realistic is it actually, because , as you know. actually, because, as you know. okay you know, i'm 100% behind israel's right to defend itself . israel's right to defend itself. absolutely. what happened was disgraceful and disgusting. i understood you had a press conference to show people because they felt like almost like denial of the events. and like a denial of the events. and people almost felt like they were it. what were forgetting it. but what worries that are you not worries me is that are you not worried that this may create an even another layer of terrorists . even another layer of terrorists , people who are disenfranchised? what what has happened to them ? happened to them? >> you know what, we saw on october 7th was really beyond the worst nightmare scenarios that anyone in this country

could imagine. we have 230 people who are hostage in the gaza strip now, including 33 children, including ten toddlers under the age of five. and you know what israeli society has realised across the political spectrum really , this is spectrum really, this is something that unites left and right that simply cannot not right that we simply cannot not live. we cannot exist as a country with a jihadi enclave on our borders, with terrorists who can invade at will. and so even people on the left of israeli society understand that this situation cannot exist anymore. there can't be a diplomat accommodation with a genocidal jihadi group that wants to murder us, and hamas has to go . murder us, and hamas has to go. you know, it would be like in the uk if isis controlled cornwall, for example, and used it as a base for launching invasions of the west country and butchering everyone they can there. i don't think the uk would stand for that. and israel has decided after so many rounds of conflict , so rounds, of conflict, so many rounds, trying deter hamas, trying trying to deter hamas, trying to persuade to attack us again after that attack , the worst after that attack, the worst terror attack in world history

after 9/11. no more , no more. we after 9/11. no more, no more. we can't put up with this anymore . can't put up with this anymore. >> so. so what about then, netanyahu then? because i thought quite thought he was facing quite a bit of criticism in israel for not sort of seeing the hamas strikes initially. have people sort of moved on from that area. now the attack took everyone in israel by surprise . israel by surprise. >> it was a horrific shock. and the prime minister has said that when this war is over, there will be a full accounting and a full reckoning. and everyone in the leadership is going to have to the israeli to give answers to the israeli people. will investigate people. and we will investigate this failure right to this horrific failure right to the bottom. but at the moment, we're focusing on victory. can we're focusing on victory. i can tell you amazing to see tell you it's amazing to see within israeli society how people come together. people have come together. civilians on the home front, trying to everything trying to do everything they can, for soldiers , can, packing food for soldiers, driving down supplies, donating money to the people who lost their homes because hamas set them on fire on october 7th. our country really is united right now a very strong sense of now with a very strong sense of justice that this is a war we

have to win because it really is the our country that's the future of our country that's on line here. on the line here. >> what about the civilians >> so what about the civilians that they that in palestine? are they casualties of war? is that you know, are people not concerned about the amount of death and destruction that we sort of as a result of the strikes on gaza , result of the strikes on gaza, the humanitarian suffering inside the gaza strip as a result of hamas deciding to launch war on us is truly heartbreaking. >> no one is disputing that. we wish we weren't in this position. this isn't a war that israel started . it's not a war israel started. it's not a war that we wanted. it's not a war that we wanted. it's not a war that even expected. it's that we even expected. it's a war that launched on us war that hamas launched on us with october 7th massacre with the october 7th massacre butchering 1400 people. it since launched over 8000 rockets at our cities. i've had to run to a bomb shelter several times and we want get out of this war we want to get out of this war now. the problem is inside the gaza strip, hamas has been using civilians human shields. it's civilians as human shields. it's been them from been stopping them from evacuating areas . it's evacuating to safer areas. it's built the command centre of its military. this is really

unbelievable. the command centre of its military in a bunker underneath the main hospital because it knows that israel doesn't want to hurt civilians. so we're doing everything we can to minimise civilian casualties in the gaza strip. hamas wants to see dead bodies in the gaza strip because it gives it a propaganda victory. strip because it gives it a propaganda victory . but we're propaganda victory. but we're doing everything we can to minimise civilian casualties, urging to evacuate, urging people to evacuate, giving them more than enough, more than enough notice. while hamas continues to attack us. you know, this is the absurdity. israel is now using its military to protect its civilians while hamas is using its civilians to protect its military. and that is, of course, a war crime to use civilians that way. and use civilians in that way. and we hold hamas completely responsible for all humanitarian suffering in the gaza strip. yeah i hear you. >> but so this notion of a two state solution, which people talk in your view, is that talk about in your view, is that possible ? possible? >> you know, at the moment, we're still identifying body parts more than three weeks on from that horrific massacre because hamas literally burned

people to an ash where preoccupied with an immediate question of survival and not long term prospects . but i'll long term prospects. but i'll tell you, in the long run , the tell you, in the long run, the fact that hamas was able to use the strip as a base to the gaza strip as a base to invade israel and massacre so many people in a matter of hours is going to make a lot of people in israel question whether it's possible to evacuate territory , possible to evacuate territory, whether it's possible to have a territorial withdrawal without terrorists using the west bank as a similar base for similar atrocities against israel. but these are questions for the future. right now, we're focusing on defeating hamas, defeating the jihadi organisation that pulled off october 7th. and after that , october 7th. and after that, after the whole world has made clear that terrorism like that cannot go unanswered . ed, i hope cannot go unanswered. ed, i hope we'll be able to rebuild the region way that will region in a way that will accommodate peace security accommodate peace and security for living here. for everyone living here. >> listen, we are praying >> well, listen, we are praying for you, ellen. thank you so much for talking. you very much for talking. thank you very much. really good to have much. it's really good to have you news. is ellen you on, gb news. that is ellen levy. he's the israeli government as well.

government spokesman as well. this is gb news. we travel over to america and we're heading to america now and we're heading over of the politics over to the host of the politics people paul duddridge. over to the host of the politics peopthere paul duddridge. over to the host of the politics peopthere in paul duddridge. over to the host of the politics peopthere in los paul duddridge. over to the host of the politics peopthere in los angeles. dridge. over to the host of the politics peopthere in los angeles. let'se. he's there in los angeles. let's get an let's find out with regard what's going on in america . right. well, there's america. right. well, there's a lot of things going on. firstly, can i just get a quick update with you with regard to the response around the war at the moment , israel response around the war at the moment, israel and hamas ? moment, israel and hamas? >> well, we're having pretty much the same response in the us. >> i think that you're seeing in the uk we're seeing a number of protests in colleges and on the streets supporting hamas and palestine . the one saving grace palestine. the one saving grace which we'll touch on is that biden is giving unstinting support to israel and we'll talk about that because that's actually losing him support in his presidential campaign . his presidential campaign. >> he's lost 11% support this one month because of his support for israel. >> really ? wow. you think that >> really? wow. you think that he you think that people would be supporting israel due to the awfulness that happened? i would

have thought the democrats would have thought the democrats would have got behind that. but they're not. they're against that. that seems very odd to me. what about trump? what's going on because trump on there? because ivanka trump has to give evidence has been has to give evidence against her dad. that's what they're saying in the fraud case. that's right. >> in this new york fraud case, it's halloween. so the witch hunt continues. >> obviously, there's a perfect season for it. trump is obviously in new york. >> is a civil matter in new >> this is a civil matter in new york, as we know. >> it's a civil case. ivanka was actually excluded precluded actually excluded and precluded from in from this. she's no longer in new resident she's not new york. resident she's not part trump organisation . part of the trump organisation. and yet it's in a surprise move this week. she has now been compelled evidence and compelled to give evidence and that sometime in the that will be sometime in the next she is now being next week. so she is now being forced testify for the forced to testify for the prosecution against donald trump. the sons are actually named as respondents in this case. so we're expecting to see evidence from them. but this ivanka was actually excluded and precluded from this as long ago as january. this year. so i think accusations of election

interference and witch hunt are actually quite apt at this point. it looks like they just need to take down the whole trump family and humiliate them. >> seem they're >> yeah, it does seem they're trying every single angle. >> yeah, it does seem they're trying every single angle . and trying every single angle. and then, of course, you've got vice president mike pence. he's dropped out of the presidential race. that's is does that mean there's only joe biden left . there's only joe biden left. out? will it mean it's yes, it is in surprise news, mike pence has dropped out of the presidential race in a bigger surprise news, mike pence. >> mike pence was in the presidential race. >> it's he had he was polling at 2% support. look what's interesting about pence dropping 2% support. look what's inteissting about pence dropping 2% support. look what's inteis not] about pence dropping 2% support. look what's inteis not his out pence dropping 2% support. look what's inteis not his campaign dropping 2% support. look what's inteis not his campaign .ropping 2% support. look what's inteis not his campaign. heping 2% support. look what's inteis not his campaign. he was out is not his campaign. he was only raising like $3 million at a time. was farcical he a time. it was farcical that he was involved . he never got was even involved. he never got above 2, really. but he was being booed and heckled at every campaign by trump supporters is because he is seen as a traitor by maga and trump supporters for actually certifying the election january 6th, 2021. he's actually seen as being a traitor to the

people because he actually didn't send back the results to have further validation recounts. et cetera. there's a big debate as whether he had the power or not. maga says he had the power to at least halt the certificate of joe biden as president , and he's certificate of joe biden as president, and he's paid a huge political price for that. it's evidence that not a moment too soon that trump has taken over the republican party. you cannot now function, especially with this new speaker. i don't know if you've been checking on the new speaker in the house, mike johnson. mike johnson is a bigger trump than trump. he's extraordinary. he's more trumpian than trump. so you can see that if you do not support donald trump, you are not going to of the republican to be part of the republican establishment the future , establishment in the future, which not a moment too soon. which is not a moment too soon. >> what are some people running out of time? about 10s. out of time? i've got about 10s. so does that mean does mean so does that mean does that mean that only one that joe biden is the only one in the race for the white house on democrat side? on the democrat side? >> there are other >> no, no. there are other democrats actually stepping democrats now actually stepping fonnard are fonnard to challenge. there are stalking up stalking horses being put up even speak .

even as we speak. >> wallace and paul, always a pleasure to talk to you. that is paul duddridge. he's the host of the podcast. the politics people podcast. that, concludes world that, of course, concludes world view. we're view. this is gb news. we're live and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. more to come in the next hour . it's the next hour. it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big the headlines big topics hitting the headlines right coming up in just a right now. coming up in just a moment, i'll be joined by a 90s tv legend . oh, yes. he was a tv. tv legend. oh, yes. he was a tv. he was a radio presenter. he still is actually his dj. he is my outside this week, i think there is a give away and then coming up after that, the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should nhs jihad demo asking should the nhs jihad demo leader have his doctor licence revoked? but first, let's get your latest news with aaron armstrong .

armstrong. >> very good evening to you . it >> very good evening to you. it is 5:00. ivan armstrong here in the gb newsroom. prime minister rishi sunak has spoken to the french president, emmanuel macron, today in an effort to address the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. downing street says the two leaders are united in their view, aid must be allowed into the besieged enclave. the united nations has warned that civil order is fading after thousands of people broke into aid centres in a desperate search for basic suppues. desperate search for basic supplies . the palestinian red supplies. the palestinian red crescent , meanwhile, says israel crescent, meanwhile, says israel has told them to immediately evacuate the al—quds hospital in gaza , which has around 400 gaza, which has around 400 patients and some 14,000 people taking refuge in the gaza health ministry says just over 8000 people have been killed as israeli forces expand their ground operations . it's unlikely ground operations. it's unlikely any labour mps will be sacked due to disagreements with the party's position on israel. that's according to the shadow

science secretary. peter kyle says the party's leadership will probably continue engaging with frontbench teams, despite disagreements with sir keir starmer. he's echoed the un's call for a humanitarian pause in the fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza. but many senior figures want him to go further and back a full ceasefire . the hollywood actor ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry, star of the legendary sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. forget hypnosis. >> the way to quit smoking is you have to dance naked in a field of heather and then bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men. >> or what my father calls thursday night. >> well, police were called to his home in los angeles, where he was found unresponsive in a hot tub. matthew perry became a household name as chandler bing, the and witty character the dry and witty character alongside his five central co—stars . friends became an co—stars. friends became an iconic show in the 1990s. its success made them all multi—millionaires. it ran for ten seasons. the final episode

was the fifth most watched finale in tv history. was the fifth most watched finale in tv history . warner finale in tv history. warner brothers have said in a statement his comedic genius was felt world and his felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many. police are being encouraged to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to help track down known offenders. policing minister chris philp says the technology could be used to scan more than 200,000 images, matching them against the police database. he's also so encouraging officers to expand the use of live facial recognition so offenders might be identified on the spot. mr phelps says it will allow police to stay a step ahead of the criminals and make britain's streets safer . meanwhile, the streets safer. meanwhile, the number of police who've been sacked for misconduct is up by 70, with about 100 losing their jobs in the last 12 months. metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley says the number is likely to increase as the force cracks down on those who are unfit to serve . an ice are unfit to serve. an ice hockey star has died after he

was slashed in the neck during a game in sheffield . 28 year old game in sheffield. 28 year old adam johnson suffered a freak accident during nottingham panthers challenge cup game against the sheffield steelers last night . the panthers say last night. the panthers say they're devastated and have paid tribute to star, saying tribute to the star, saying he'll never forgotten . two he'll never be forgotten. two people have been arrested after a woman was seriously injured in a woman was seriously injured in a suspected dog attack in north tyneside. police believe the dogs to be two xl bullies. the 29 year old woman was taken to hospital. the two dogs have been detained by vets. a 22 year old woman and a 31 year old man have been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out . and out of control dog. and scotland's refugees. minister is asking the uk government for urgent help to for urgent funding to help communities housed migrants. emma roddick supports the government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and she says tackling a backlog in cases should be a priority. but she's warning shifting the financial burden onto local authorities

will be unacceptable and reckless. the immigration minister, robert jenrick, says the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months. a us tech entrepreneur says the nhs backlog can't be solved without technological innovation . an technological innovation. an alex karp is the chief executive and co—founder of plantier, which is bidding to win a contract to provide ai software to the health service. he says using artificial intelligence in the health care would speed up systems and improve life expectancy . it comes as nhs expectancy. it comes as nhs waiting lists are predicted to top 8 million by summer. top 8 million by next summer. this is gb news. that's all i have time for , for the moment. have time for, for the moment. but i'll be back with more a little bit later. now it's over to nana . to nana. >> good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my

panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right this show headlines right now. this show is opinion. it's mine, is all about opinion. it's mine, it's of it's it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. no will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and author and broadcaster christine hamilton. still to come, every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity , five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after job. we talk highs, after the job. we talk highs, lows lessons learned and lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. and today i'm joined by a media personality who rose to fame on the radio being a guest host on the radio being a guest host on the network chart show on tv . my the network chart show on tv. my guest was a regular presenter on top of the pops because that had has got to give it away. surely i've got a wig like that. he became a legend in his own right when he hosted one of the most iconic kids shows of the 90s. so who is he? for the great british debate this hour, asking debate this hour, i'm asking

should nhs jihadi leader should the nhs jihadi leader have his doctor's licence revoked? yes, he's a doctor. it's been revealed that abdul wahid, the leader of an extremist islamic group who celebrated the hamas terror attacks that slaughtered 1400 israeli citizens earlier this month as a very welcome punch on the nose to israel. works as an nhs gp under a different name. well as the patients of dr. waleed asif sadr in harrow have expressed shock at their gp's supposed double life. should he be allowed to continue to practise as ever you can get in touch. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at . touch. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb touch. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right, or tweet me at. gb news. right, so my next guest has spent more than four decades in front of in entertainment. he's been doing loads of stuff. he's hosted his first radio one show aged 20, back in 1982. and lighted up our

ainnaves ever since, he's known for presenting legendary 90s children's programmes. for presenting legendary 90s children's programmes . you've children's programmes. you've got the fun, house and sports , a got the fun, house and sports, a rather spectacular mullet he's appeared on as a host on shows such as come dine with me, as well as appearing as a contestant on i'm a celebrity, get me out of here. he's hosted and performed two sell out crowds at london's o2 arena. he's not a top five hit singles and raised hundreds of thousands for charity. well, i'm pleased to say i'm joined by yes, of course, it is the one and only pat sharp. pat sharp, thanks . pat sharp. pat sharp, thanks. >> thank you. that's such a nice welcome. >> yeah. you've got such good teeth as well. i've talked about that. >> i've got some teeth, though. >> i've got some teeth, though. >> they look good. >> they look good. >> you. and yours? >> thank you. and yours? >> thank you. and yours? >> perhaps bit >> perhaps a little bit too white be convincing. i'm white to be convincing. i'm making. >> i'm making effort. i want making. >>shinenaking effort. i want making. >>shine on:ing effort. i want making. >>shine on your effort. i want making. >>shine on your program.i want making. >>shine on your program. theyt to shine on your program. they look to shine on your program. they loo so? so talk to me about your >> so? so talk to me about your how you get into everything how did you get into everything you're because you you're doing? because it's, you know, i'm know, gosh, well, everything i'm doing, it's more it's more everything really done everything i've really done because doing because i'm i'm still doing it. how start? how did you start? >> i really lucky. >> yeah, i was really lucky. right time, would right place, right time, i would

say. 20 years old. i sent say. i was 20 years old. i sent a demo tape i made on a demo tape that i made on a cassette, you won't cassette, which you won't remember. remember remember. i do remember cassettes. sweet you. cassettes. very sweet of you. there'll people watching it there'll be people watching it go. cassettes? yeah. so so i had a double where could a double cassette where i could record. track from record. record a track from a record. record a track from a record player, an actual turntable . then i could record turntable. then i could record my voice onto another one and then together with a then mix the two together with a button. was by button. and it was made by sharp. was actually sharp sharp. it was actually a sharp cassette, quite liked it cassette, so i quite liked it because it had my it. so because it had my name on it. so i thought it was quite good and i thought it was quite good and isent i thought it was quite good and i sent it to agent, i sent it to an agent, a manager, the thing manager, and the next thing i knew i was sitting in for steve wright radio one. crikey wright on radio one. crikey that doesn't happen days. doesn't happen these days. >> the place, right >> now do the right place, right time. quite incredible. >> now do the right place, right tirrstraight quite incredible. >> now do the right place, right tirrstraight q|yeah. credible. >> now do the right place, right tirrstraight q|yeah. were)le. >> now do the right place, right tirrstraight q|yeah. were you so straight in. yeah. were you doing of hospital doing some sort of hospital radio or anything? >> done show >> like. no. never done a show until i did steve's show. >> and what was that like then? the radio the first ever show on radio one, even big back then. >> yeah, nerve racking. >> yeah, nerve racking. >> yeah. yeah. and you've been doing since. have. doing it ever since. i have. >> this is my 42nd year of >> yeah. this is my 42nd year of being in the right place at the right time. that i'm here being in the right place at the rightwithe. that i'm here being in the right place at the righiwith you. that i'm here now with you. >> thank pat. but it is. >> thank you, pat. but it is. it's really. it's in the blood. the radio thing. because i love

radio. something radio. there's something about controlling radio. there's something about con'deskrg radio. there's something about con'desk and being charge of the desk and being in charge of the desk and being in charge of the choosing the entire thing and choosing your . songs. your favour. songs. >> well, you were doing something i you something now. i saw you had a little remote control thing there, like, were there, so you were like, were you on youn >> no, that's just a little autocue button. it's not as exciting as that. missed autocue button. it's not as excibuttons that. missed autocue button. it's not as excibuttons in that. missed autocue button. it's not as excibuttons in thairadioissed autocue button. it's not as excibuttons in thairadio studio. the buttons in the radio studio. >> honest with you, >> i'll be honest with you, i still looked impressive. i thought you were going know thought you were going to know what it was. >> i tried to move around a bit to something. >> i tried to move around a bit to i something. >> i tried to move around a bit to ithoughtlething. >> i tried to move around a bit to i thought you ng. >> i tried to move around a bit to i thought you get to switch >> i thought you get to switch channels gb news. >> you crazy? >> are you crazy? >> are you crazy? >> no. exactly. why would you? that's i wondered it that's why. i wondered what it was. exactly. so pat, >> exactly. exactly. so pat, you've radio me you've been in radio talk to me about progressed and about how you've progressed and the things that you've done whilst whilst you've whilst you've whilst you've sort of was always in my >> so radio was always in my blood. that's what always blood. that's what i always wanted that's i did. wanted to do. that's what i did. and i went to capital and and then i went to capital and i've been heart and to smooth i've been to heart and to smooth and hits and all and two greatest hits and all over it was over the shop, however, it was television i got a chance over the shop, however, it was te|doingn i got a chance over the shop, however, it was te|doing becausejot a chance over the shop, however, it was te|doing because it a chance over the shop, however, it was te|doing because i didchance over the shop, however, it was te|doing because i did radio.e over the shop, however, it was te|doing because i did radio. so of doing because i did radio. so i a video jockey as i started as a video jockey as opposed jockey at the opposed to a disc jockey at the same as i was a dj, they same time as i was a dj, they wanted vjs to appear in europe on sky channel, which the on sky channel, which was the forerunner tv that we

forerunner to the sky tv that we know i ended up being know now. and i ended up being on there introducing pop videos before europe a before mtv all over europe as a dj. | before mtv all over europe as a dj. i up getting on dj. so i ended up getting on television and although it was kind radio on tv and kind of like radio on tv and then i auditioned for fun house and then that and got that job and then that led to on other things and so on and so tv was never and so forth. so tv was never something i really wanted to do, but a crack at. but i got a crack at. >> yeah. and that hair. yeah but i got a crack at. >> yyou'veid that hair. yeah but i got a crack at. >> yyou've had. at hair. yeah but i got a crack at. >> yyou've had. i hair. yeah but i got a crack at. >> yyou've had. i mean, �*eah but i got a crack at. >> yyou've had. i mean, you've hair you've had. i mean, you've got very good hair, but got a very good set of hair, but that, hair sort of came that, that hair sort of came before in a way. everyone before you in a way. everyone said, oh, that's pat sharp. you before you in a way. everyone said you, that's pat sharp. you before you in a way. everyone saidyou had t's pat sharp. you before you in a way. everyone saidyou had that,t sharp. you before you in a way. everyone saidyou had that, thatrrp. you before you in a way. everyone saidyou had that, that hair.ou had you had that, that hair. >> what saying is my >> so what you're saying is my hair before me. hair came in before me. >> it was of like, >> well, it was sort of like, you you just see like the you know, you just see like the outline we give clues. outline when we give the clues. yeah, at that. i mean, what yeah, look at that. i mean, what was on? was going on? >> you know, that picture was going on? >> like vou know, that picture was going on? >> like i'm(now, that picture was going on? >> like i'm having1at picture was going on? >> like i'm having something looks like i'm having something to with, but there to mull it over with, but there you good. suppose in you go. very good. i suppose in a just from working a way, it was just from working a way, it was just from working a in europe. my wife's a lot in europe. my wife's nonnegian all guys in nonnegian and all the guys in nonnay have what's called hockey hair, and that is the equivalent of a mullet in scandinavia. so theice of a mullet in scandinavia. so the ice hockey players in the 80s kind hair that 80s had this kind of hair that was very well layered, splendid

in own way, and i thought, in its own way, and i thought, i'll have a bit of that. so i started to grow it and it became its little monster. its own little monster. >> and it sort of followed you ever that style. ever since. that sort of style. >> me the room >> it followed me into the room and still with you and out and it's still with you now, is some, some people now, which is some, some people don't have hair. no i'm bald under don't know. under this. i don't know. >> actually taper it >> i'm not actually taper it down hat. down with a little hat. othennise out again. othennise it comes out again. what your most what would you say is your most memorable ? memorable moment? >> i would say most memorable. that's great question. most that's a great question. most memorable or most enjoyable is a tricky one because my most memorable would probably be some sort pas or making sort of faux pas or making a huge error in my first week on the radio in 1982, sitting in on radio one. and this was when radio one shared a lot of studios with radio two or certainly one. it was the one i was in and i reached round. i think in my first half hour to grab the news jingle. as it was in those days, though, things weren't actually weren't digital, so you actually grabbed cart and grabbed a physical cart and i put in and it radio two put it in and it went radio two news. thought, wow , i've news. and i thought, wow, i've only been on radio one for half an hour and i've made it to radio two.

>> yeah, no, did something radio two. >> yeaito1o, did something radio two. >> yeaito that did something radio two. >> yeaito that did so ago.|ing radio two. >> yeaito that did so ago.|irwas similar to that years ago. i was working as a continuity announcer on bbc one i announcer on bbc one or and i was announcing a show and i got the wrong bbc. i said, bbc two, and i was like, what have i done? this see? and it was in radio times after that. and everything. >> it's in our blood. >> it's in our blood. >> it's in our blood. >> it was awful. it was an embarrassing, very bad moment. but a really but more recently i did a really bad because i met suella bad thing because i met suella braverman time. braverman for the first time. she's one my heroes. and she's one of my heroes. and i went, oh, suella suella. and we did. you know, the sort went, oh, suella suella. and we dilleft,] know, the sort went, oh, suella suella. and we ditleft, rightn, the sort went, oh, suella suella. and we ditleft, right sort the sort went, oh, suella suella. and we ditleft, right sort of the sort went, oh, suella suella. and we ditleft, right sort of kissie sort of left, right sort of kiss thing. then then she did thing. and then then she did a bit of interview thing and bit of an interview thing and then wanted a picture then i wanted to get a picture with her. i then went to with her. and i then went to repeat the same thing again because forgotten i'd because i'd forgotten that i'd done the kiss kiss. and she was literally back literally holding me back with her this woman her hand going, get this woman off was so if you're off me. it was so if you're watching, it's still haunts me. i still ptsd over that i still i have ptsd over that moment. now. so what you moment. even now. so what do you make happening in the make of what's happening in the political to hear, you know, always like to hear, you know, the your thoughts, the views, your thoughts, actually. i mean, if you look at the conflict, actually. i mean, if you look at the your conflict, actually. i mean, if you look at the your view conflict, actually. i mean, if you look at the your view on conflict, actually. i mean, if you look at the your view on that? ilict, actually. i mean, if you look at the your view on that? what's actually. i mean, if you look at the takeur view on that? what's actually. i mean, if you look at the take onriew on that? what's actually. i mean, if you look at the take on it?v on that? what's your take on it? >> well, my take on it is that everybody i think, should be as

safe they can be from both safe as they can be from both sides. and not going to get sides. and i'm not going to get into political debate because sides. and i'm not going to get into pnnotcal debate because sides. and i'm not going to get into pnnotcal del'mz because sides. and i'm not going to get into pnnotcal del'mz bec.for.e that's not what i'm here for. it's all about. it's not what i'm all about. it's not what i'm all about. it's not what i'm all about. it's not my makeup. butjust to it's not my makeup. but just to see anybody suffering in this is really horrific every really just horrific in every shape know, we got shape or form. you know, we got kids and grandkids. and think shape or form. you know, we got kids and who'skids. and think shape or form. you know, we got kids and who's watching think shape or form. you know, we got kids and who's watching now nk shape or form. you know, we got kids and who's watching now who's anybody who's watching now who's got or even got any kind of family or even somebody by themselves somebody sitting by themselves who online will who knows somebody online will just horrific. just think that it's horrific. that's as i would that's that's as far as i would go in the political landscape of things i wouldn't want things, because i wouldn't want to i'm for here to delve into it. i'm for here the house. the fun house. >> know you're here for the >> i know you're here for the fun house. and you've fun house. and also you've been doing was doing greatest hits radio. i was listening show whenever listening to your show whenever i of it, but i can get a hold of it, but sometimes i listen to i was listening to it. but then you left. what happened with. >> leave absolutely >> i did leave absolutely the story story story behind. well, the story behind that was the fact that when ken arrived from the when ken bruce arrived from the bbc, shuffled programs bbc, they shuffled programs around i was weekend around and i was on weekend mornings till and mornings as ten till one, and they me saturday nights, they offered me saturday nights, 10 i can't do that 10 to 1. now, i can't do that because the majority of my dj work is live work when i'm out and about doing my dj sets, you know, month i played in know, last month i played in nonnay and week played at

nonnay and last week i played at butlins minehead, next nonnay and last week i played at butliri'm minehead, next nonnay and last week i played at butliri'm backehead, next nonnay and last week i played at butliri'm back again next nonnay and last week i played at butliri'm back again doing ext week i'm back again doing different gigs. and then next month in dubai playing and month i'm in dubai playing and you're very do you're still very busy. i do about seven between 75 and 90 live gigs a year , so i can't be live gigs a year, so i can't be on the radio on a saturday night at 10:00 because that's my prime meat, speak. so i'm taking meat, so to speak. so i'm taking a from radio at a break from radio at the moment, i will moment, but hopefully i will come do something come back and do something soon. i've afoot. i've got some plans afoot. >> what's your next big thing >> so what's your next big thing that you're doing? >> next thing will be my >> my next big thing will be my next gig. really? basically, >> my next big thing will be my next gig. next.y? basically, >> my next big thing will be my next gig. next live asically, >> my next big thing will be my next gig. next live gig,1lly, >> my next big thing will be my next gig. next live gig, which yeah. my next live gig, which will playing dubai yeah. my next live gig, which will bjorn playing dubai yeah. my next live gig, which will bjorn againing dubai yeah. my next live gig, which will bjorn again and dubai yeah. my next live gig, which will bjorn again and arerai yeah. my next live gig, which will bjorn again and are lining with bjorn again and are lining up the next day with chris moyles, my old pal, into the vengaboys sugababes, and busted as well on a weekend for to us play as well on a weekend for to us play out as the djs and the warm ups. >> that's quite fantastic. >> that's quite fantastic. >> so come to dubai everybody. >> so come to dubai everybody. >> oh god, you're still going strong, aren't you? >> or failing that, to >> or failing that, come to butlins it's closer. butlins if it's closer. >> that's where >> butlins. that's where i chipped remember chipped my tooth. i remember that listen, pat that very well. listen, pat sharp, a pleasure sharp, it's such a pleasure to talk thank you so talk to you and thank you so much coming in. i finally much for coming in. i finally got in studio. got you in the studio. >> you did? you've been asking me keep meeting on the me when we keep meeting on the trains, come into my

trains, he goes, come into my show. i you show. well, when i met you on the train, i coming. the train, pat, i was coming. >> you were coming off the train and i was walking towards the train. went, hi, nana, train. and you went, hi, nana, it's i thought, i it's me, pat. and i thought, i know are. everybody know who you are. everybody knows who you are. >> know if you saw >> i didn't know if you saw me. so thanks for having me on. anyway. thank you so much. >> the legendary >> thank you. the legendary pat sharp. brilliant? sharp. isn't he brilliant? this is was outside. is gb news that was outside. still to come, it's time for the great this hour. great british debate this hour. i'm the nhs jihad i'm asking, should the nhs jihad demo his doctors demo leader have his doctors licence on licence revoked? that's on the way

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expressed shock at their gp's supposed double life. the group he leads sparked outrage last weekend when members chanted jihad during a rally outside the egyptian and turkish embassies in london and they called for muslim armies to attack israel . muslim armies to attack israel. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should the nhs jihad demo leader have his doctor's licence revoked? what about discuss this, i'm about to discuss this, i'm joined by political commentator peter spence and cultural historian of the university of leeds, dr. philip kingsley, and former labour mp stephen pound . former labour mp stephen pound. okay, so i'm going to start with you, dr. philip . what do you you, dr. philip. what do you think about that? what's your view on this one? >> well, bearing in mind what's just happened over the last three weeks since the pogrom on the 7th of october for its absolutely outrage . gorgeous absolutely outrage. gorgeous that a jihadi gp should be allowed to work in the nhs . allowed to work in the nhs. >> i mean, if you just think

about it, you know, he's calling for blood at weekends. >> and then monday through friday, he's expected to care for jewish patients. but not forjewish patients. but not only jewish patients, women and, and gay patient as well. um it for me it has a greater resonance because i'm not only thinking about the very clear and present danger he represents , it's to patients and particular patients at that . i'm particular patients at that. i'm also thinking about really the infiltration of a kind of hardline orthodox authoritarian, um , anti—british kind of view um, anti—british kind of view that a view of the world that has taken hold in the institute organs, particularly the universities , but also the media universities, but also the media as well, over the last well, over the last ten years or so. so for me, he's representative . so for me, he's representative. just to finish the point, he's representative of all of those things. and he's a very, very worried figure. i mean, he's you know, he's he's he's using a false name and he's calling for

the death of jews. >> yeah. well, although some people interpret jihad is something else. i mean , something else. i mean, necessarily interpreted as that. let's go to peter spence, a political commentator. peter. >> yes , indeed. it's a very >> yes, indeed. it's a very valid point you make, nana that indeed you had doesn't actually mean two things. >> it means go to war or it means cleanse your soul and mean it is perfectly within the bounds of possibility . it seems bounds of possibility. it seems to me that the general medical council will have this story drawn to their attention, and it's perfectly possible that they will act in whatever way they will act in whatever way they think i'm sure they they think fit. i'm sure they would . at the same time, i think would. at the same time, i think it's also quite likely on the back of this story that the practise where this particular doctor works and has worked for many years will feel the need to contact their patients, probably by email , i'd contact their patients, probably by email, i'd guess, and explain the situation and maybe give his side of the argument. but the daily mail is used also loaded language about what is an

incredibly complex and layered set of pain that's that's engulfed so much of the middle east, notably the israelis and indeed the palestinians . and indeed the palestinians. and they have painted, to my mind, to my eye, a crudely and gratuitously oversimplistic picture of what is actually going on, for which reason i will argue they've done a hatchet job on this guy and i don't buy it. >> well , now the daily don't buy it. >> well, now the daily mail not here to defend themselves and i don't think that's fair comment, is it? because let's in is it? because let's bear in mind no , but mind they are. no, no, but that's not fair comment. first of all, they're here of all, they're not here to defend that's defend themselves. that's the first secondly, he first thing. but secondly, if he is he is calling is a doctor and he is calling for jihad, which has a double forjihad, which has a double meaning , but forjihad, which has a double meaning, but he's changed meaning, but he's also changed his , let's not forget, his name, let's not forget, that's the essence of this conversation here. and even when you tell that story , that you tell that story, that doesn't good. so i don't doesn't sound good. so i don't think the daily mail think that's the daily mail doing a hatchet think doing a hatchet job. i think this is somebody who's moonlighting very unsavoury moonlighting in a very unsavoury manner. wouldn't moonlighting in a very unsavoury manrhim wouldn't moonlighting in a very unsavoury manrhim anywhere wouldn't moonlighting in a very unsavoury manrhim anywhere near wouldn't

moonlighting in a very unsavoury manr him anywhere near me uldn't moonlighting in a very unsavoury manr him anywhere near me with�*t moonlighting in a very unsavoury manr him anywhere near me with a want him anywhere near me with a hypodermic needle. >> i can tell you that a >> i can tell you that for a kick >> i can tell you that for a kicilook, the reality is he's >> look, the reality is he's a wrong'un. he's actually using a false name. >> therefore, as a self—employed person, forget, person, because don't forget, gps the nhs. gps don't work for the nhs. >> gps work for themselves . >> gps work for themselves. >> gps work for themselves. >> you know that right back to 1948, were completely separate. >> you know, the nhs can't >> so, you know, the nhs can't boot him out much as i think you know should. however, know we should. however, the general look general medical council can look at to practise and at his licence to practise and i think that been think the fact that he's been using a false that actually using a false name that actually flags up a real, real problem anyway. >> but what i'd like to, i'd like to give this so—and—so a taste of his own medicine. >> let's pile on down to his surgery , stand outside start surgery, stand outside and start shouting opposite of what he's completely opposite of what he's shouting for and just actually say, up with this. we say, look this up with this. we will i'm sorry. it's not will not put i'm sorry. it's not right. you're supposed to be a doctor. you're supposed to be heaung doctor. you're supposed to be healing you're supposed doctor. you're supposed to be he be1g you're supposed doctor. you're supposed to be he be a you're supposed doctor. you're supposed to be hebe a figure you're supposed doctor. you're supposed to be hebe a figure �*some supposed to be a figure of some significance and importance and respect, ability within the community, not some tub thumping jihadi strutting the jihadi loon strutting the streets of london, calling for people to be slaughtered. murdered? no he's wrong'un. murdered? no he's a wrong'un. >> get out. yeah >> let's get him out. yeah >> let's get him out. yeah >> do you think because .

>> and do you think because. because. look, you can't be, you know, learning the hippocratic oath where you're not going to harm anybody and then talking about , even though it has about jihad, even though it has about jihad, even though it has a double meaning when you've also changed your name . i mean, also changed your name. i mean, i'm to come back to you, i'm going to come back to you, peter, that one, because , you peter, on that one, because, you know, you're trying to say the daily mail is doing a hatchet job. i know written for the daily mail is doing a hatchet job. i maili written for the daily mail is doing a hatchet job. i maili inritten for the daily mail is doing a hatchet job. i maili inritterforr the daily mail is doing a hatchet job. i maili inritterfor them daily mail and i write for them now. and i know that, but but i know full that there's know full well that there's a huge process sure that huge process to make sure that you're not making things up. they say anything. they can't just say anything. so they reporting this they are simply reporting this situation remember, situation. and remember, they were with the were they did with the immigration as well. immigration situation as well. that fantastic work. that that was fantastic work. that was hatchet job. it was was no hatchet job. it was fantastic work. on fantastic work. so on this, they've exposed somebody who would carried on practising they've exposed somebody who wou it carried on practising they've exposed somebody who wou it not carried on practising they've exposed somebody who wou it not been�*ied on practising they've exposed somebody who wou it not been potentiallytising they've exposed somebody who wou it not been potentially for1g had it not been potentially for them exposing it. i mean , what them exposing it. i mean, what do to that, peter? do you say to that, peter? >> well, i mean, i to work for the mail, i cut my teeth the daily mail, i cut my teeth there in fleet street, which actually was fleet street, believe or so i'm very believe it or not. so i'm very conversant with the technique of journalism, is it's not journalism, which is it's not that you make things up, but you

make choices about which bits you in and which bits you you put in and which bits you leave out . leave out. >> yeah, but, but no, no, no, but let's stay with the nuance of words. no, no. let's stay but let's stay with the nuance of w1the. no, no. let's stay but let's stay with the nuance of w1the pointio, no. let's stay but let's stay with the nuance of w1the point here. . let's stay but let's stay with the nuance of w1the point here.. letcan't.' with the point here. you can't. you can't blame them. they're not. they not. they have not done they are not. they have not done they are not culpable for this. this is somebody changed their somebody who has changed their name and using a different name whilst practise as a doctor whilst they practise as a doctor and been found to be on a and have been found to be on a pro—palestine march calling for jihad. that's and that's what they've exposed. that's i'm glad they've exposed. that's i'm glad they've that . they've done that. >> oh, yeah. i mean, look , like >> oh, yeah. i mean, look, like i say, think it's very likely i say, i think it's very likely this matter will come to the attention of the general medical council and they take the council and they might take the appropriate whatever they regard to the i'm they will to be the i'm sure they will take regard to be take whatever they regard to be the sanctions. the appropriate sanctions. i just say again, with some emphasis , please do not rush to emphasis, please do not rush to judgement and don't rush to judgement and don't rush to judgement . judgement. >> i don't think there's much to judge. dr. philip kingsley what do think? it's remarkable, do you think? it's remarkable, isn't context is brought into >> how context is brought into play >> how context is brought into play sometimes , and not in other play sometimes, and not in other times . i play sometimes, and not in other times. i mean, we're thinking

about the word jihad here, and this is at an anti—israel demo . this is at an anti—israel demo. hundreds of thousands of people chanting for jewish hundreds of thousands of people chanting forjewish blood. i think we know what jihad means in that context. there is no grey area. but when it comes to i'm really interested to know what people thought about the actual pogrom on on the on the seventh when young children were raped and murdered , when old raped and murdered, when old people were were exactly the same, raped and murdered, where bodies were desecrate , looted bodies were desecrate, looted and spat on. we didn't get a whole load of complexity and nuance and thought. then what we got actually was total silence from the institutions and from people who would actually actually defend this character . actually defend this character. he is a roman. he's certainly a roman , actually defend this roman, actually defend this character. people just wait until all of that , you know, until all of that, you know, slightly goes away . and then slightly goes away. and then they start and then they start defending the indefensible. and really , it's just it's really, it's just it's

unbelievable to listen to that. you would actually think that, oh, we need to we need to stop and think here before someone who's using a false name is calling for jihad who's using a false name is calling forjihad on the who's using a false name is calling for jihad on the streets of london. we need to stop and think before he should stop practising. that's absolute nonsense. of course we don't. we don't need to stop and think. we stop in practising and we think about deporting him. well yeah, if he can be deported, if he can be deported. >> but, but also, there >> but, but also, i mean, there were there anti—semitic . i were there was anti—semitic. i think anti—semitic think there was anti—semitic stuff social well. stuff on social media as well. so there was more so i think there was more complexity to the story. so it's not as you know, it's not as cut dry sounds. well, there dry as as it sounds. well, there was a lot more going on with that doctor as well. so let me come so, come to you each then. so, steven what do you think? steven pound, what do you think? should he have his licence? >> i'm not going to >> i'm not i'm not going to email him to say i love you, but i do do respect you. i do i do respect you. >> i think you're absolutely >> and i think you're absolutely right >> and i think you're absolutely fight on >> and i think you're absolutely right on the right to pick up on the hippocratic oath, the hippocratic oath, which every single doesn't matter single doctor doesn't matter whether consultant or whether the gp or consultant or surgeon whatever level starts surgeon or whatever level starts off first, no harm. >> this man has done harm . let's

>> this man has done harm. let's get shot of him. >> yeah, get shot of him. >> yeah, get shot of him. >> he should not be. he should not be practising as a gp, practising on the public with pubuc practising on the public with public money. >> spencer should should >> peter spencer should should he stay as an organisation? >> the organisation that he heads purports to be non—violent , therefore it is oversimplistic to call them. it only says it purports to be. i didn't say it is, but that's what it claims to be. and that's the problem here. >> let him carry on practising. yes or no, because i've got to move on. you let him carry on practising yes or no until the move on. you let him carry on practchuck'es or no until the move on. you let him carry on practchuck himr no until the move on. you let him carry on practchuck him out?jntil the move on. you let him carry on practchuck him out? yeah,1e move on. you let him carry on practchuck him out? yeah, until gmc chuck him out? yeah, until they out so. well, they took him out so. well, i wouldn't go and see doctor wouldn't go and see him. doctor philip, yes or no? >> he's a clear and present dangen >> he's a clear and present danger. he's got to be taken away practise. absolutely danger. he's got to be taken away now. practise. absolutely danger. he's got to be taken away now. and�*tise. absolutely danger. he's got to be taken away now. and bearing;olutely danger. he's got to be taken away now. and bearing in utely danger. he's got to be taken away now. and bearing in mind right now. and bearing in mind just bearing in just very quickly, bearing in mind he mind that the organisation he fronts germany, fronts is illegal in germany, it's terrorist organisation. it's a terrorist organisation. >> is that as well. let's >> there is that as well. let's not that. listen, not forget that. well, listen, thank you much, doctor thank you very much, doctor philip kingsley, also stephen pound and also peter spencer. thank for your thank you so much for your thoughts. great to your thoughts. great to have your thoughts. well, what do you

think? allowed to think? should he be allowed to carry on? should he have his licence revoked? gb licence revoked? this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio the way. we'll continue radio on the way. we'll continue with the great british debate this asking the this hour. i'm asking should the nhs jihad a demo leader, have his doctor's licence revoked? ulez panel ulez the thoughts of my panel danny christine danny kelly and christine hamilton. but first, let's get your news with . aaron your latest news with. aaron >> it is just after half past five. i'm aaron armstrong. prime minister rishi sunak has spoken to the french president emmanuel macron, in an effort to address the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. downing street says the two leaders are united. in their view, aid must be allowed into the besieged enclave. the united nafionsis the besieged enclave. the united nations is warning civil order starting to fade there after thousands of people broke into aid centres in a desperate search for basic supplies. meanwhile, the palestinian red crescent says israel's told them to immediately evacuate a key

hospital in gaza, which has around 400 patients and some 14,000 people taking refuge as the gaza health ministry said this morning, just over 8000 people have been killed as israeli forces expand their ground operations . sir keir ground operations. sir keir starmer is unlikely to sack anyone for disagreeing with labour's position on israel. according to the shadow science secretary, peter kyle, sir keir's echoed the un's calls for a humanitarian pause in the fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza. many in the party, though, want him to go further ceasefire . further and back. a ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry has died at the age of 54. he became a household name in the sitcom friends as the dry and witty chandler bing, one of six central stars in the show that ran for ten seasons until 2004. and during his time on the show, though, perry admitted to struggling with addiction and anxiety. warner brothers say his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many.

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this evening. gb news is the people's . channel people's. channel >> good afternoon. it's just 37 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. don't forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube right now. it's time to return to the great british debate this hour. asking debate this hour. i'm asking should the nhs jihad demo leader have his doctor's licence revoked ? abdul wahid, the leader revoked? abdul wahid, the leader of an extremist islamic group, works as an nhs gp under a different name. the group he leads sparked outrage last weekend when members chanted jihad during a rally outside the egyptian and turkish embassies in london and called for muslim armies to attack israel. so for the great british debate, the sir, i'm asking should the nhs jihad demo leader have his

doctor's licence revoked ? let's doctor's licence revoked? let's see what the panel make of that. i'm joined by journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, also author christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton. what hamilton. right, christine, what are your thoughts on this? >> 100? he should he said that >>100? he should he said that the attack by hamas on the 7th of october was, and i quote, a welcome punch on the nose to israel. now, that is totally unacceptable . he is also the unacceptable. he is also the deputy secretary of the muslim council of britain, which is a very hard line organ ization, basically hell bent on dividing this country, frankly , and this country, frankly, and creating division and sowing the seeds of dissent over here. so, yes, absolutely. what on earth do his jewish patients think now when they go in to see him ? and when they go in to see him? and they know that basically he wants them all dead? i mean , wants them all dead? i mean, thatis wants them all dead? i mean, that is okay. putting words into his mouth and not here to his mouth and he's not here to defend himself. his mouth and he's not here to def he himself. his mouth and he's not here to def he himrnot say that, though. >> he may not say that, though. >> he may not say that, though. >> but is supporting, >> no, but but he is supporting, by sounds of it, an by the sounds of it, an organisation that. yes, absolutely. the other thing absolutely. and the other thing people oh, was people say, oh, but he was shouting jihad, and that

shouting jihad, jihad. and that has meaning. yes has more than one meaning. yes the main meaning is you know, struggle against struggle. struggle against your enemies. it's struggle against the tempter stations the devil tempter stations of the devil and it struggles against worldly lust . well, i think of the lust. well, i think of the three, we know which one he was referring to at that rally. so i think it's outrageous . and yes, think it's outrageous. and yes, it's up to his practise because gps are contracted by a particular practise. and if i was the lead doctor of that practise, maybe he is the lead doctor . i would call practise, maybe he is the lead doctor. i would call him in on monday morning and give him his cards . yeah, well, definitely. cards. yeah, well, definitely. >> what do you think? it's difficult to have any other misinterpretation or interpretation of jihad given the quotes that the comment that one of your earlier contributors getting sidetracked with context and a hatchet job by the daily mail. >> look, the guy who's been caught on video, he's been caught on video, he's been caught on video saying israel got a nose. now, i think if you are a doctor, you need to you need measured outside of need to be measured outside of the gp practise. and the last thing that this guy has shown is any element of and as far

any element of that. and as far as hippocratic oath is as the hippocratic oath is concerned, as far as these loony tunes have tunes are concerned, who have this misinterpreted this warped, misinterpreted version of a relatively peaceful religion, which is islam, the hippocratic oath is trumped by faith. so i wouldn't put too much credibility on the guy's hippocratic oath. i agree with with most of the commentators this afternoon that that he didn't condemn the attacks. he said israel had got a nose. he didn't condemn the attacks. >> and welcome punch on a welcome, welcome, punch . welcome, welcome, punch. >> so that's even more powerful reverse. >> i just don't think that he can get out of it by trying to say that it's a different definition of the word. he's been seen on video saying that and saying that the attack was a welcome the nose . it welcome punch on the nose. it doesn't any newspaper doesn't matter any newspaper writing about that. it's difficult to interpret that in any other way . he's been caught any other way. he's been caught out, frankly, and he even changed his name . let's not changed his name. let's not forget that he he's not going under actual name as well. under his actual name as well. he's his to do this. >> well. and he's apparently he's chairman.

he's the deputy chairman. i think of think that's the right title of the finsbury park mosque. well, thatis the finsbury park mosque. well, that is a hotbed of that's got history. that's got history . i'm history. that's got history. i'm trying to remember the name for you. >> that's a history. >> that's a history. >> it's got history. and i can't remember the name of the preacher, one with the hook. preacher, the one with the hook. abu hamza. abu that's abu hamza. abu hamza. that's right. think in right. who i think is now in america in prison, new york prison. america in prison, new york pnson. a america in prison, new york prison. a prison in new prison. he's in a prison in new york. is a it's york. so, you know, it is a it's got history. very put, got history. very well put, danny. i it's danny. so i think it's grotesque. he's allowed grotesque. if he's allowed to stay doctor, utterly stay on as a doctor, utterly grotesque he can. grotesque how he can. >> just don't see how he can. >> i just don't see how he can. because if you're judging the people coming to you and people who are coming to you and you're serving you're supposed to be serving them way, but then them in a positive way, but then you've name and you've changed your name and you're that attacks you're saying that the attacks on the were a welcome on the seventh were a welcome punch nose. you're punch on the nose. so you're saying that's good that saying that that's good that these people were killed this these people were killed in this most inhumane manner ? most abhorrent, inhumane manner? how can you then be practising as a doctor? >> i think they have to. we live in such a risk averse society now . i think in such a risk averse society now. i think that the in such a risk averse society now . i think that the board have now. i think that the board have now. i think that the board have no strike off no choice but to strike him off because imagine an because can you imagine an israeli patient who dies under mysterious circum instances? it's just not worth the risk.

and i'm sorry, but i don't think i don't think getting hysterical about this, but a guy who rejoice aces in the murder of 1400 horrendous. yeah i would not trust him if i was in israeli to be to be a patient under this guy because i take you back to an earlier point, his faith trumps a hippocratic . his faith trumps a hippocratic. yes, absolutely. >> it's more important. doctor lawyers always used to be my father was a gp. they were very fine , upstanding, leading fine, upstanding, leading members of their community. and people looked up to doctors because they represented a certain sort of moral fibre. because they represented a certain sort of moral fibre . et certain sort of moral fibre. et cetera. this guy seems to stand for everything that is opposite to that. it's unbelief. for everything that is opposite to that. it's unbelief . well, i to that. it's unbelief. well, i don't know which his real name is. i don't know whether he's changed his name to be a doctor or whether he's changed his name to a preacher. either to be a hate preacher. either way. way, that he could >> either way, so that he could not identified as a gp to not be identified as a gp to blame daily mail is just blame the daily mail is just absurd. well, i mean, you know, it's just a deflection. >> a deflection because while your said we're not

your guests said that we're not talking origin the talking about the origin of the story, we're talking about someone in black and white on video. >> f as video. >> are writing >> well, others are writing about it as well. so it's not really that. the fact that really that. but the fact that he's been caught he's actually been caught out saying talking saying that and talking about a welcome punch on nose, welcome punch on the nose, there's no you know, even if you try to defend him, you know, like obviously i'd like to show due impartiality and give another point of view . but it's another point of view. but it's very difficult to do that when you're hearing somebody who's who joyous about a attack who is joyous about a attack that happened on the 7th of october. you can't be happy about that and then say that you want to help people if that's his mindset, then i don't think that's the mindset of a general practitioner. >> i don't. >> no, i don't. >> no, i don't. >> quite. right. well put. well, listen, is nothing listen, this show is nothing without views. without you and your views. >> let's welcome our great british their british voices, their opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about topics that we're about the topics that we're discussing got discussing today. i've got how many you i got? how many many of you have i got? how many have got? great british have i got? i'm a great british voice are they? oh, voice as well. are they? oh, have i the oh, there have i jumped the gun? oh, there they just. just you, alan. they are. just. just you, alan. i we usually have four i thought we usually have four at point. is itjust

at this point. why is it just you, what's going you, al, what's going on? i don't know. you usually have loads of you. okay, go on, then. alan, what you think? alan, what do you think? what's your it's your thoughts? well it's frightening now, isn't it? >> should be struck off. >> there's no doubt about that. but what's more frightening is he's probably one of thousands who are this country nana, who are in this country nana, who are in this country nana, who absolutely this who absolutely hate this country. and everything that the country. and everything that the country stands for and our values . so should he be continue values. so should he be continue to practise as a gp? well, absolutely not. no, no. they should just sack him on monday morning . morning. >> well, it does seem a bit. you know, that he should be allowed to even practise i reckon this is end for him. i is all going to end for him. i don't he's going to be don't think he's going to be able on practising as a able to carry on practising as a gp. he deserves gp. i don't think he deserves to. thank very much. to. alan, thank you very much. lovely to you. that's lovely to talk to you. that's alan mcnealy. he's my great british right. british voice. oh wow. right. well, want to move on to this well, i want to move on to this story that caught my eye today. well, i want to move on to this sto keir at caught my eye today. well, i want to move on to this sto keir starmert my eye today. well, i want to move on to this sto keir starmer has' eye today. well, i want to move on to this sto keir starmer has beentoday. sir keir starmer has been criticised for his plans to outlaw mps having second jobs if he ever gets the keys to number 10, because according to senior conservative, the plans are little than virtue

little more than virtue signalling recipe signalling and would be a recipe for hiking taxpayer funded for hiking mps taxpayer funded salaries and driving expertise out to westminster. well, let's see what my panel make of that. is it time to scrap second jobs for mps? christine hamilton, i'm going to come because going to come to you because you're you've been close the you're you've been close to the walls apparently he walls of well, apparently he said right for certain jobs. >> it's all if you're a >> it's all right if you're a doctor a nurse. mean, doctor or a nurse. well, i mean, that ludicrous attitude to that is a ludicrous attitude to take. you're take. supposing you're a dentist. mean , he didn't dentist. i mean, he didn't specifically mention dentists , specifically mention dentists, so idea that so dentists can't. the idea that mps have to be working 24 over seven an mp ludicrous . we seven as an mp is ludicrous. we all time off. we all spend all have time off. we all spend our doing different our leisure time doing different things. is things. so if an mp is conscientious and doing their job and supposing they have a family business and they spend some of their free time helping to business, that sort to run the business, that sort of , i don't you can of thing, i don't think you can say absolutely not. think say absolutely not. i think it needs to be carefully controlled and if people abuse it, then then i think there is every reason for people to be up in arms. but mps are elected by their constituents and if a constituents, if the constituents, if the constituents think that they're abusing it and they're spending

all time jobbing off doing all their time jobbing off doing something else and not attending to constituent nc and to their constituent nc and parliamentary functions, then they to they have every right to deselect them and not vote for them. a blanket is them. i think a blanket ban is not it? not the way to do it. let's be honest. some mps, quite a lot of mps , they can be a lot of mps, they can be spending on job and spending 24 hours on the job and they're useless , i say. spending 24 hours on the job and the�*nadine useless , i say. spending 24 hours on the job and the�*nadine dorriess , i say. spending 24 hours on the job and the�*nadine dorries well, ay. spending 24 hours on the job and the�*nadine dorries well, exactly. >> nadine dorries well, exactly. >> nadine dorries well, exactly. >> she went off to australia. >> she went off to australia. >> i'm going to say something that's probably disagreeable >> i'm going to say something that' the obably disagreeable >> i'm going to say something that' the obably di ofjreeable >> i'm going to say something that' the obably di of theable >> i'm going to say something that' the obably di of the gbe >> i'm going to say something that'theobably di of the gb news with the majority of the gb news viewers, but think mps viewers, but i think that mps should be paid a lot more than 86,500 what i do because 86,500 pounds. what i do because don't forget, they may only have 4 or 5 years. there are lots of okay, well if you've only got 4 or 5 years at £86,000, i don't know how many years i've got doing this. >> do you know how many years you've your job? why you've got doing your job? why should the fact that should you? the fact that they've got a guarantee of they've even got a guarantee of a me. a duration is wonderful to me. i see an advantage. you see that as an advantage. you know, a five year. you've know, it's a five year. you've got least five years on, got at least five years on, 86 grand. i don't think i don't think enough for what they think 86 is enough for what they do anyway. >> don't know. i think >> really? i don't know. i think they should be on like about 130

k. >> oh can i can can ijust >> oh can i can i, can i just stop you there? >> that is not the bottom line, though, is it? you've got 86 k then you've your second then you've got your second home allowance which is usually about 20 grand expensive and then you've yeah, hang on. you've got. yeah, but hang on. my come out of my expenses come out of my salary. of salary. they don't come out of oh a salary then you oh you've got a salary then you can spend all that but you still got of that. then get got all of that. then they get lots and benefits, they lots of perks and benefits, they get and get subsidised bars and subsidised sorry, trouble subsidised i'm sorry, 86 trouble used. and used. it comes to about 100 and something of it. something by the end of it. >> if you've only got five years on 80 6ki don't see the harm of trying develop trying to nurture and develop contacts and careers. i don't. >> how about you do a good job so that they you again? so that they vote for you again? christine well, one argument for giving that you giving mps more pay is that you would better quality would attract a better quality of be of person wanting to be in point, christine. >> that that is the >> but that is that is the argument pay peanuts and argument that pay peanuts and you get monkeys. and because the pay you get monkeys. and because the pay it's arguing the pay is i mean, it's arguing the other because pay is other side because the pay is only 86,000, you're going to get a lot of people who are sort of serious lawyers or businessmen or etcetera who would be very good parliament. and don't good in parliament. and don't forget mps are the forget the mp, the mps are the only pool from which the

government has to choose government has to choose government ministers. and this is one reason why you get the ministers is that you can get from mps . so need to from the mps. so we need to encourage more. >> about right >> let's talk about nurses right ? if you're saying pay peanuts, get monkeys, nurses have been paid considerably less than mps. so what are they ? so what are they? >> no. well, i don't know. >> no. well, i don't know. >> i'm just saying. >> i'm just saying. >> what do they respond to that, if you like, you respond to it. >> go on. okay. well, nurses know their salary and they know that life. that they've got a job for life. >> yes. >> yes. >> but they know they've >> but they don't know they've got life. nobody got a job for life. nobody knows. got a job for knows. they've got a job for life. you're a good mp and life. if you're a good mp and you doing a good you carry on doing a good job, you carry on doing a good job, you get you'll carry on you get good. you'll carry on earning £86,000. the earning the money. £86,000. the average salary about average british salary is about 26 grand. way over 26 or 27 grand. that is way over the already. lot need the odds already. lot need a second job. they need to do their own job properly. well the trouble a trouble is that you look at a percentage of the of commons. >> honestly wouldn't pay >> you honestly wouldn't pay them really them 5000 a year. you really wouldn't. look at some wouldn't. and you look at some of the others and you think to keep them in there, keep them keep them in there, to keep them there available as ministers keep them in there, to keep them thencabinetilable as ministers keep them in there, to keep them thencabinet ministers,1inisters keep them in there, to keep them thencabinet ministers, etcetera, and cabinet ministers, etcetera, with responsibility, and cabinet ministers, etcetera, with to responsibility, and cabinet ministers, etcetera, with to get responsibility, and cabinet ministers, etcetera,

with to get goodnsibility, and cabinet ministers, etcetera, with to get goodnsibilityin want to get the good people in there. it's not there. so you know, it's not easy. it's easy subject . easy. it's not an easy subject. >> i think being a doctor is not easy being dentists. i'm not saying easy. i'm saying nurse isn't easy. i'm not saying nurse isn't easy. i'm not saying don't need saying saying they don't need more need get on more money. they need to get on doing job properly. doing the job properly. and i also agree know also don't agree and i know people like it that they people won't like it that they should second jobs. that's should have second jobs. that's what i think you focus what i think. i think you focus it almost like it should be almost like a vocation, like nursing vocation, just like nursing and everything it everything else. you're doing it for the of people. for the love of people. >> i i wasn't trying >> but i didn't i wasn't trying to say that being an mp was easy, by the way. i said, it's not subject. i not an easy subject. no, i didn't think because there are okay, and on okay, there are pros and cons on on sides lots of them on all sides and lots of them get a lot less than mps. get paid a lot less than mps. >> but now time for >> but right now it's time for supplement where supplement sunday. this is where my discuss some of my panel and i discuss some of the stories that caught the news stories that caught their you start their eye. danny you can start with what you got? with yours. what have you got? it people changing it involves people changing their accents. to tell me more for an accent syndrome. >> basically, woman for an accent syndrome. >> to basically, woman for an accent syndrome. >> to bandilly, woman for an accent syndrome. >> to bandilly, woke/oman went to bed and she woke up sounding. did boil sounding. well, she did boil from the valleys, and it's an actual medical condition. sometimes actual medical condition. sometto es actual medical condition. sometto the head, fall knock to the head, they fall down steps. bang their down the steps. they bang their head pavement. and the head on the pavement. and the next talking next day they're talking almost like like like a west indian, like jamaican if like.

jamaican patois, if you like. and it's sometimes it's permanent, sometimes with medication, can reduce it. medication, they can reduce it. but this guy, lady saw, he but this guy, this lady saw, he started to sound like she was from caerphilly instead of lincolnshire. sometimes people sound all to do with a sound american. all to do with a knock on the head or just it's something to do with the brain. imperfection and yeah, it's more prevalent people think. prevalent than people think. >> some >> have we got some, some, some something a something here for it? have a listen to this is a video listen to this. this is a video of her. >> so i was in a clothes shop this weekend and a lady said to me, my god, love your me, oh my god, i love your accent. where are you from? and i here. i woke up i said, i'm from here. i woke up with accent and she didn't with this accent and she didn't believe me. >> she literally didn't believe me. and it made me feel totally , me. and it made me feel totally, totally embarrassed and just i was i just wanted the ground to open up and swallow me. >> well, let's just get. you came with a welsh accent. it could have been birmingham . i'm could have been birmingham. i'm capital. yeah >> could read . >> could read. >> could read. >> had any accent there. could

you heard any of them. >> it's a nice gentle accent that she's got. >> yeah. birmingham. >> yeah. birmingham. >> wouldn't that be >> christine wouldn't that be extraordinary anyway i >> well, to wake up with nice >> well, to wake up with a nice french darling . i french accent. hello darling. i can't speak any other way. christine >> i mean, you could go to bed with speaking one way with someone speaking one way and they're speaking and wake up and they're speaking another. be odd, another. it would be odd, wouldn't else, wouldn't it be somebody else, christine? be christine? well, it could be somebody else, but. not somebody else, but. no, no, not on we're talking about on the story we're talking about anyway. way that anyway. this is the way that acronyms beginning acronyms have are beginning to take mean, know take over. i mean, do you know what means? do you know what what eaw means? do you know what i afm means? june what? jomo means we all know what fomo means, which is of missing means we all know what fomo meajom01ich is of missing means we all know what fomo meajomo jomo; of missing means we all know what fomo meajomo jomo is of missing means we all know what fomo meajomo jomo is joy jf missing means we all know what fomo meajomo jomo is joy ofnissing means we all know what fomo meajomo jomo is joy of missing out. jomo jomo is joy of missing out. jomo jomo is joy of missing out . what if amor is? out. jomo jomo is joy of missing out. what if amor is? what's out. jomo jomo is joy of missing out . what if amor is? what's in out. what if amor is? what's in it for me ? is the end of the it for me? is the end of the week. and this is the younger generation. they've created this alphabet soup of acronyms and it's very difficult to even read what they're trying to say. some of their texts and stuff are all acronyms. there's hardly any proper wording. it's extraordinary, there we are. extraordinary, but there we are. i up. i try and keep up. >> they're trying to they don't want old people to work out want the old people to work out what saying each

other. >> this is a good one. tldr means too long. didn't read. >> god , you've got learn a >> oh god, you've got to learn a new language . indeed. my one. new language. indeed. my one. that's policing minister that's my one. policing minister chris to chris philp has written to police the country police chiefs across the country , encouraging them double , encouraging them to double their recognition their use of facial recognition software track criminals software to track down criminals . philp said that the move would allow to stay one step allow police to stay one step ahead the criminals ahead of the criminals and make britain's but the britain's streets safer. but the problem with it is it wasn't very good with dark people who are so it got people are dark. so it got people wrong. yeah yeah. >> the darker the skin, the more difficult is to make out difficult it is to make out certain facial characteristics . certain facial characteristics. that's why, for example, and this is a compliment to black people aged so beautifully , they people aged so beautifully, they don't show the imperfections that us pasty white folk do. that's that's moisturising, though, know ? though, you know? >> it isn't. no, it's. it's an inbuilt advantage you have. it's one hell of a physical advantage if this is what happens to me, if this is what happens to me, if i don't moisturise my skin, it goes white. >> oh, it's true. yeah. but look at dry skin. >> we're not that gullible. >> we're not that gullible. >> nana. no, no, no. listen so what happens is i'll show you my

jack carson white. no, no, no. so what is, you don't so what happens is, if you don't moisturise, the skin, dark skin goes very, very sort of like you get sort white. of get like, sort of white. sort of like flakes like white sort of flakes of skin. why we skin. so that's why we constantly which skin. so that's why we constayour which skin. so that's why we constayour skin which skin. so that's why we constayour skin younger. iich skin. so that's why we constayour skin younger. that's keeps your skin younger. that's all is whenever you look. all it is whenever you look. >> no, it's not. no. you you have inbuilt advantage have an inbuilt advantage because black skins in countries where to where they don't have access to moisturiser. where they don't have access to moisturiser . yes. start as moisturiser. yes. start as a society that don't have warm. >> so you've got all the skin to the story though. >> ain't a problem with >> i ain't got a problem with facial it cuts facial recognition if it cuts down crime. facial recognition if it cuts dovi| crime. facial recognition if it cuts dov i| crim because facial recognition if it cuts dovi| crim because we're the one >> i have because we're the one who they arrest the state. who they arrest by the state. >> we'll we'll stand bail for you. >> nana oh, that's really nice. well, just so you can carry on here. oh, listen, listen . it's here. oh, listen, listen. it's been fun. we've had loads of fun today. hope you are as well on today's i've asking today's show. i've been asking is response hamas is israel's response to hamas justified ? well, according to justified? well, according to our twitter poll, 81% of you say, yes, i'm in agreement with you, and only 19% of you say no. yeah, absolutely. spot on with you. i've got to say, thank you so much to my panel, you. i've got to say, thank you so much to my panel , journalist so much to my panel, journalist and broadcaster danny kelly.

danny thank you. >> thank you very much indeed. and so much to and also thank you so much to christine . christine hamilton. >> you are a you are author and journalist. >> oh, i just housewife, happy housewife. that'll do . yeah. housewife. that'll do. yeah. thank you for having us. >> it's a pleasure as ever. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i've loved it this weekend. thank you so much for i look fonnard for everything. i look fonnard to next week. same to seeing you next week. same time, here on time, same place. 3:00 here on gb forget to tune in gb news. don't forget to tune in to hour ten. at to the dinosaur hour at ten. at nine oh, good afternoon. >> my name is rachel ayres and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so as we go through the rest of sunday, plenty still around and plenty of rain still around and that's all due to this area of low out to the west of low pressure out to the west of the uk . it's low pressure out to the west of the uk. it's this low in the north sea that's been bringing rain across scotland and northern parts of england throughout today . and that throughout today. and that will continue as we go continue for a time as we go through evening. but slow through this evening. but slow pulling away to the east as the low away elsewhere. it'll low moves away elsewhere. it'll be a mixture of clear spells and showers around through tonight,

but increasingly but then becoming increasingly confined and western confined to southern and western coasts to allow for some clear spells in the east and across northern parts scotland . so northern parts of scotland. so we could see the odd patch of fog tonight and maybe a touch of frost northwestern frost across northwestern parts of start monday. frost across northwestern parts of another start monday. frost across northwestern parts of another day tart monday. frost across northwestern parts of another day oft monday. frost across northwestern parts of another day of sunshine and it's another day of sunshine and showers for many as we go through monday with showers most frequent once again across southern and western coasts . a southern and western coasts. a bit more in the way of sunshine, though, across the south of england than we've seen over the weekend. persistent weekend. but a persistent band of into northern of showers feeding into northern ireland throughout day on ireland throughout the day on monday. some heavy bursts of monday. so some heavy bursts of rain, especially the rain, especially for the southeast. though, still southeast. there, though, still feeling pleasant the feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine as through sunshine as we go through monday, tuesday day, though, as we've got winds now coming from a bit of a northerly direction across northern of uk. across northern parts of the uk. a start some fog a cool start here. some fog around elsewhere as well as further the further showers across the south. and that unsettled theme is continuing throughout the week cooler conditions week with some cooler conditions in the north and further bands of come is it? of rain to come is it? >> we're here for the show . for

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the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. downing street says the two leaders are united. in their view, aid must be allowed into the besieged enclave . the united the besieged enclave. the united nafionsis the besieged enclave. the united nations is warning that civil order is starting to fade there. thousands of people broke into aid centres earlier in a desperate for search basic supplies. meanwhile the palestinian red crescent says israel has told them to immediately evacuate the al—quds hospital in gaza, which is around 400 patients and some