the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza. downing street says the two leaders are united. in their view, aid must be allowed into the besieged enclave . the united the besieged enclave. the united nafionsis the besieged enclave. the united nations is warning that civil order is starting to fade there. thousands of people broke into aid centres earlier in a desperate for search basic supplies. meanwhile the palestinian red crescent says israel has told them to immediately evacuate the al—quds hospital in gaza, which is around 400 patients and some

14,000 people taking refuge there. the gaza health minister , there. the gaza health minister, he said this morning just over 8000 people have been killed in the last three weeks as israel forces expand their ground operations . now, it's unlikely operations. now, it's unlikely any labour mps will be sacked because of disagreement with the party's position on israel . party's position on israel. that's according to the shadow science secretary. peter kyle says the party's leadership will probably continue engaging with frontbenchers, despite disagreeing with sir keir starmer. he's echoed the un's call for a humanitarian pause in the fighting and for aid to be allowed into gaza. but many senior figures want him to go further and back. a ceasefire . further and back. a ceasefire. the hollywood actor matthew perry, star of the legendary sitcom friends, has died at the age of 54. >> forget hypnosis. the way to quit smoking is you have to dance naked in a field of heather and then bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men. or what my father calls thursday night .

night. >> police were called to his home in los angeles, where he was found unresponsive in a hot tub. perry became a household name as the dry and witty chandler bing alongside his five central co—stars jennifer aniston, courteney cox, matt leblanc , lisa kudrow and david leblanc, lisa kudrow and david schwimmer. they went on to have the iconic show in the 1990s warner bros. have said in a statement. his comedic genius was felt around the world and his legacy will live on in the hearts of many . police are being hearts of many. police are being encouraged to double their use of facial recognition software over the next six months to help track down known offenders. policing minister chris philp says the technology could be used to scan more than 200,000 images while matching them against the police database . against the police database. he's also encouraged officers to expand the use of live facial recognition software so offenders might be identified on the spot . mr philp says it will the spot. mr philp says it will allow police to stay one step ahead of the criminals and make britain's streets safer and scotland's refugees minister is

asking the uk government for urgent funding to help communities house migrants . urgent funding to help communities house migrants. emma roddick supports the government's plan to cut the use of hotels for asylum seekers and says tackling a backlog in cases should be a priority. but she warns that shifting the financial burden onto local authorities would be unacceptable and reckless. immigration minister robert jenrick says the number of hotels used to house migrants will be cut by 50 over the next three months. that is it for the moment. we're live across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. that's it . but now it your smart speaker too. that's it. but now it is time for glory meets . meets. >> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show. i'm delighted to be back with you on gb news. lovely to see you this morning . michelle donelan joins morning. michelle donelan joins

me to see you this me now. lovely to see you this morning. secretary of state. i just wanted to start on the i. lovely see you. i wanted to lovely to see you. i wanted to start on this ai summit. so we know that china are coming , but know that china are coming, but we don't think that we're going to have any representation from the germany, france, the us, canada, germany, france, japan or italy. so is this summit being snubbed by everyone but the chinese ? is but the chinese? is >> no, i mean that list that you've just read out is completely wrong. basically, we haven't produced the guest list or who's rsvp'd. yes. because this is a summit of this scale. you would expect that . hence why you would expect that. hence why there's been speculation over who's coming. but what you will see next week is that we have every corner of the globe in attendance . yes, we have the top attendance. yes, we have the top companies that are working in this space. we have some of the best and the brightest thinkers from across the globe in civil society. we will be having a really targeted discussion around these highly capable models around the risks and the opportunities for the very first

time, i should add . time, i should add. >> okay, so who's the most senior world leader who's attending apart from rishi sunak then. >> i can't go into that because we have had a clear policy not to give a running commentary on the guest list. but you you only have a few days left to wait and see. what i can tell you is you will see representation from across the globe and the engagement and the level of interest in this summit has been extremely high because it's very timely. next set of models timely. the next set of models will be coming out next year. we have a short now to be will be coming out next year. we haveproactive, now to be will be coming out next year. we haveproactive, be now to be will be coming out next year. we haveproactive, be on now to be will be coming out next year. we haveproactive, be on the to be will be coming out next year. we haveproactive, be on the front) very proactive, be on the front foot, drill into the risks properly, understand those risks so that we can seize the opportunities for our public services, for our nhs. >> know transport >> but we do know transport network. we do who isn't network. we do know who isn't going. know that emmanuel going. we know that emmanuel macron going, joe biden macron isn't going, joe biden isn't going so , i mean, can you isn't going so, i mean, can you have a global summit without some of these key heads of government attending ? government attending? >> well, the vice president of america has already come out and said that she is attending. and

obviously she's extremely senior in terms of representing america. so i don't think it's fair to characterise it as as not having the heavyweights around the table. we have day one and day two. on day one, we will see multiple of my counterparts there. we will see representation from all of the big ai companies as well as smaller ones as well . and as smaller ones as well. and as i said, great wealth of expertise from civil society . okay. from civil society. okay. academics and scientists . it's academics and scientists. it's to add to that debate and conversation about what more can countries do, but also what more can the companies do to really put up the right guardrails and safety processes. so that they can lean into this? we can get those opportunities? >> are liz truss and iain duncan smith worrying unnecessarily about the presence of the chinese? obviously there is a concern about chinese hacking and you're inviting them to our ai summit . well this and you're inviting them to our ai summit. well this isn't just our ai summit. >> we are of course convening the world for the first time, but this needs to be a proper

global conversation and let's face it, it is undeniable that al that china are a leading ai ai that china are a leading ai nation. they're not just consumer of ai, they're producers of ai as well. the second in the world. if we're going to have a really productive conversation and if we're going to be strategic about we have least about this, we have to at least try talk to and work with try to talk to and work with china . absolutely. there are china. absolutely. there are areas where we won't want to inform them about certain parts of our work because of national security. but we need to at least try and bring that. okay. table is akin climate change table is akin to climate change if going to really have an if we're going to really have an impact, we need to together. >> okay. let's on to just >> okay. let's move on to just another that's on the >> okay. let's move on to just anotipage that's on the >> okay. let's move on to just anotipage of that's on the >> okay. let's move on to just anotipage of the:'s on the >> okay. let's move on to just anotipage of the sundaye >> okay. let's move on to just anotipage of the sunday mirror. front page of the sunday mirror. do you think that your colleague tom pursglove been tom pursglove should have been out campaigning this weekend with his with peter bone following his suspension tory party ? suspension from the tory party? >> well, i don't know the full details . details. >> he was out campaigning with him this weekend. >> this was a yeah, yeah. no, it's my understanding that it was a local campaign , an action was a local campaign, an action day for a local by—election. obviously, tom is the local mp

would be there. peter bone also happened to attend peter bone have been there. the question that you need to ask tom i'm asking you though, should peter bone the bone have been there the whip yes, well , what we have done yes, we well, what we have done is we have stripped the whip from from peter bone very swiftly obviously swiftly. we there's obviously been investigation . he's been been an investigation. he's been suspended the as well suspended from the house as well . i was obviously in the . i was not obviously in the area. i'm an mp in a different. should he have been there? i can tell you. is the government has acted quickly here without that is a decision for him. he is no longer a conservative. do longer a conservative. what do you though? argue he you think though? would argue he shouldn't therefore be campaigning? shouldn't campaigning? well, he shouldn't therefore campaigning? well, he shouldn't therefo of conservatives. behalf of social conservatives. >> he shouldn't have been there. >> he shouldn't have been there. >> my view. >> so he shouldn't have been my view you're not view is if you're not a conservative, you shouldn't. >> well, yes, but i wouldn't put it simple as that. i'd say it as simple as that. i'd say that you're that if you're not a conservative, you shouldn't be advertising and promoting the conservative mean, that conservative party. i mean, that seems me. seems like common sense to me. >> move to the >> let's move on to the situation gaza. we know situation in gaza. we know a particular case is humza yousaf family. there are plenty family. i know there are plenty of his in—laws

of others. this is a his in—laws are live in dundee. they're british citizens. give british citizens. can you give us any insight at all as to how the government might helping the government might be helping humza out of humza yousafs in—laws get out of gaza indeed british gaza and indeed other british citizens . citizens. >> yeah, as you say, there are multiple families up and down the uk that are deeply impacted by this. and i just want to say that my thoughts and prayers are with them as they go through something be something that must be absolutely awful and there are absolutely awful. and there are 200 i believe , on the 200 people, i believe, on the ground in gaza who have registered with foreign registered with our foreign office british office that are british nationals . and we trying to nationals. and we are trying to ensure that we can get that border open so that we can get those people home and can those people home and we can maintain them . and maintain contact with them. and i know that the foreign secretary prioritising secretary is prioritising this area. fact, spoke to him area. in fact, i spoke to him just last night and he reassured me is one of his me by saying this is one of his top priorities. >> you think that the police >> do you think that the police should be treating people who cw should be treating people who cry streets of cry for jihad on the streets of london hate crimes as london for hate crimes as i think that we have very stringent laws in this country around terrorism and also the

pubuc around terrorism and also the public order act. >> and the police should be using the full weight of the law to ensure that people are incited, are they not, at the moment , hatred? it incited, are they not, at the moment, hatred? it is incited, are they not, at the moment , hatred? it is not okay. moment, hatred? it is not okay. it is not okay to be shouting jihad on our public streets. the home secretary has been addressing these issues directly with our police and we continue to talk to them to make sure that they are utilising full that they are utilising the full weight law to ensure that weight of the law to ensure that weight of the law to ensure that we maintain order and we can maintain public order and we can maintain public order and we protect our citizens, we can protect our citizens, which priority of any government. >> so is max hill, the head of the cps wrong then, because he says that it doesn't necessarily mean it's hate crime . mean it's a hate crime. >> so, look , operational >> so, look, operational decisions are in the hands of the police. they are operational , independent. and of course, they will have more information around the context of things . et around the context of things. et cetera. we are saying cetera. but what we are saying is our law is robust. it needs to be applied in that fashion. it is not okay to incite violence or hatred on our streets , and it is not okay to streets, and it is not okay to be doing that in relation to

proscribed terrorist organisations as well. >> is it right to be saying from the river to the sea, on the streets of london when everybody knows what the implication of those words are for the israelis ? well, yeah , on that very ? well, yeah, on that very phrase, the implications are the eradication of israel , which is eradication of israel, which is deeply not just offensive but also deeply dangerous in terms of its sentiment. >> if that is how it is being appued. >> if that is how it is being applied . so the police applied. so the police absolutely need to be mindful of that. and the home secretary has been very clear and i believe wrote to two police forces on that very topic along with with others. >> ms donelan very, very briefly, because we're running out of time, should universities also clear up their act when it comes to jew hate? i anti—semitism . has no place in anti—semitism. has no place in any part of our society, including our universities . including our universities. >> that is something that i was very strict on when i was universities minister and i know that the current department for education ministerial team have been written all been to they have written to all

universities already and reiterated because, look, reiterated that because, look, our universities are where the minds of tomorrow are shaped. it is secretary of state for anti—semitism to be to be allowed to proliferate. >> thank you very much indeed for joining us this morning. forjoining us this morning. michelle donelan lovely to speak to you. now, despite flying high in the polls this week, starmers labour party has been engulfed with over how to with infighting over how to react israel—hamas war. react to the israel—hamas war. now be speaking to one of now i'll be speaking to one of the mps, khalid the party's rebel mps, khalid mahmood, just moment. don't mahmood, in just a moment. don't go anywhere

radio. >> well, let's bring khalid mahmood into the conversation . mahmood into the conversation. he's the labour mp for birmingham perry barr. he's also the longest serving muslim mp in parliament and this week he organised a meeting between keir starmer and muslim mps. khalid, lovely to see you this morning. thank much for sharing thank you very much for sharing your with was really your time with us. i was really intrigued by a you wrote, intrigued by a piece you wrote, i was for the times i think it was for the times criticising the muslim council of britain for its response to the murder of 1400 israelis by

hamas . do you not think that hamas. do you not think that there have been enough mainstream muslim voices condemning hamas ? condemning hamas? >> i think there's been a lot of muslim mainstream voices now that have condemned hamas. i again want to condemn hamas for the 7th of october. i think it was totally barbaric. but i think also one issue has to be raised is that where was the responsibility of the idf and the government to allow these people to run riot for six hours before any action was taken ? i before any action was taken? i think so. the netanyahu has some questions to answer as well for allowing this escalation to take place . place. >> when we look at the protests that are going on in the streets of london, one thing that confuses me and maybe you can help me with this, khalid, is we've always heard that it is obviously islamophobic to try and any way peaceful and conflate in any way peaceful muslims with any kind of terror atrocity . and yet at the same atrocity. and yet at the same time, we do have we have seen

these pro—palestinian marches on these pro—palestinian marches on the streets of london and elsewhere who seem to be happy to with people to share a platform with people who supporting terrorists, who are supporting terrorists, who are supporting terrorists, who supporting hamas. how do who are supporting hamas. how do we how do we square that circle ? we how do we square that circle? >> khalid well, i think those people don't help the cause of the people. you know, over the last almost 21 years since i've beenin last almost 21 years since i've been in parliament that i've always fought against since 9/11, against terrorism, radicalisation in the uk and terrorism generally across the world. and that does no good to any community, certainly to the muslim community, to have those people on board. what we've got to do is get the mainstream, the community having a peaceful protest highlighting the issues that he wants to highlight, and that's the only way fonnard when the police and the head of the cps talk about this many meanings of jihad. >> right? people >> is that right? or if people are calling for jihad on the streets of london in the context of pro—palestinian march where of a pro—palestinian march where also are talking about also people are talking about jews very anti—semitic terms,

jews in very anti—semitic terms, how should we interpret that use of the word jihad ? of the word jihad? >> well, first of all, any form of anti—semitism is deplorable . of anti—semitism is deplorable. has anti—muslim feelings also? i think the same way. but i think, look , there are lots of meanings look, there are lots of meanings to jihad. and i think also we have to be very careful. those people that are using the word jihad to understand what environment that they're using it in. and i think it's difficult for the police to be able to determine that. and that's a real issue. i don't know what operational guidance there will be for them to do that, but i think in order to have a proper representation of the people that are suffering in gaza, you don't need to bring these sort of words into that arena . arena. >> on the subject of a ceasefire, khalid, i know there are a mounting number of labour mps now calling for keir starmer to support a ceasefire. he's talked about humanitarian pauses . he's previously says that

israel has a right to defend itself. where should the labour leader go from here? because this infighting within the party seems to only be getting worse ? seems to only be getting worse? >> well, i think look, i think sir keir matters, as you said last week, is agreed to meet us again as soon as we want to be able to meet and see whether the situation progresses . so he's situation progresses. so he's quite keen and happy to do that. i think look , this has been a i think look, this has been a very quick , evolving situation very quick, evolving situation and sometimes politically trying to keep abreast of it's been difficult. so sir keir , last difficult. so sir keir, last week, on wednesday issued a statement on pauses . i think now statement on pauses. i think now the united nations are calling for a sort of, again, a cessation of violence . there's cessation of violence. there's been a vote taken on that and we need to move fonnard with over the term is whether it's ceasefire, cessation of violence or or a pause. we need to stop the fighting and get aid into those people which are suffering hugely. >> is there ever going to be a hope, though, khalid, of such a

kind of diplomatic or military downing of weapons when israel are having to negotiate with actual terrorists who have a founding charter, which commits itself to the annihilation of all jews? how do you broker a ceasefire with a terrorist organisation nation? i think first of all, look, i have no love lost for hamas. >> i think what they're doing is putting a lot of people in harm's way and i think also israel has a responsibility to look at the amount of people that are being killed through the action that's going on. but as far as hamas is concerned, what you will only resolve this by dialogue. nobody will resolve this by any form of military action. and of course , the lives action. and of course, the lives of those hostages that are there. we it's important that we get those people out. qatar has said that they will support to try and bring those people out. but there's got to be, again, a cessation of violence. but the only way to negotiate with hamas is getting the arab league . the is getting the arab league. the people from the gulf region to

sit together, work with them and they have to ultimately be they will have to ultimately be a nations and arab league a united nations and arab league force going that and trying force going into that and trying clear that out. that's the only way you're to going do it. you're not going to do it by a particular violence and war that's going on at the moment. yeah. >> what's your reaction to your colleague shabana mahmood? she has said israel is guilty has said that israel is guilty of collective punishment in gaza . she's the shadow justice secretary. should she be using that language? well look what's happening at the moment in gaza is very difficult. >> and when you've got people that have no choice in a very built up urban environment and those people are being attacked like that, i think there has to be a cessation in that violence to stop that. i think people are trapped. so what words can you use?i trapped. so what words can you use? i don't know what words are right to use in this , uh, right to use in this, uh, example or not. but the fact is netanyahu didn't respond in time to allow these people take lives of 1400, uh, israelis .

of 1400, uh, israelis. >> but it's still the fault of the terrorists. it's the fault of the terrorists for taking the lives, surely. >> no, no. but why no idf and the government has a responsibility to israeli citizens to ensure that they keep them safe. >> in this instance, for six hours, they allowed these people to run riot and not do anything. where's the inquiry into that? where's the inquiry into that? where are the facts around that? and so you can't now just abuse the fact that we've got a right to defend because those people died. where is the where is the question? is answered on that. >> mahmood, thank you >> khalid mahmood, thank you very indeed for joining me very much indeed forjoining me this to speak to this morning. lovely to speak to you. i'm joined now the you. now, i'm joined now by the former secretary, former defence secretary, michael will be michael portillo, who will be presenting gb news as presenting his gb news show, as usual after show from 11. usual after this show from 11. now, i recall, michael, i think you were a defence secretary, i.e. the time of the i.e. around the time of the signing of oslo accords, signing of the oslo accords, about ago . could you about 30 years ago. could you have envisaged then in what is now happening in israel now ? now happening in israel now? >> well, israel has always been in this unstable position,

surrounded by very hostile forces and has had to arm itself to the teeth and indeed prevent terrorists from entering its territory. and the prevention of terrorists entering its territory is what is characterised by others as being the repressing of the population . in those places where the people are restrained behind fences and walls . so i suppose, fences and walls. so i suppose, yes , i mean, one could foresee yes, i mean, one could foresee a reigniting of violence . there reigniting of violence. there was a period when israel was very successful. of course , very successful. of course, brokered a peace with egypt after the yom kippur war, which was a catastrophic failure by the invading forces from egypt and syria. and so israel has been through a relatively stable penod been through a relatively stable period , but in that period, it period, but in that period, it has not ceased to be in danger. and the forces against it, although they are now not neighbours , state actors, it's neighbours, state actors, it's not egypt anymore, which is the threat. it is these terrorist organisations which apparently are backed by iran. which of

course not exactly a neighbour . course not exactly a neighbour. so the threat is there . and one so the threat is there. and one of the traps that was built for israel was that the threat from terror was so great that it would have to take extra ordinary measures that we don't associate readily with a democracy like building walls and fences and restricting people's freedom of movement and so on. and all of that has built up a lot of public opinion around the world against israel. but one has to sympathise with israel because it is trying to survive in a situation where, as you've pointed out, it is you've just pointed out, it is surrounded by people are surrounded by people who are determined it .

radio. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now, as promised, i'm joined by james schneider. he's the former comms chief for jeremy corbyn. justin cohen, jeremy corbyn. and justin cohen, who's news editor the who's the news editor at the jewish it's lovely to see jewish news. it's lovely to see you this morning. let's you both this morning. let's start. should there a start. should there be a ceasefire , james? start. should there be a ceasefirn absolutely. start. should there be a ceasefirnabsolutely. has to be >> yes, absolutely. has to be a ceasefire. and that's why the

ovennhelming majority of people on earth, the ovennhelming majority of people in the uk and the us all support it because it's plain common sense. you can see that you don't respond to the killings of one group of children with the mass mass killings of another group, israel. >> israel's got a right to defend itself against a terror attack. israel has an attack. has of israel has an absolute right to defend itself. >> it does not have an absolute right to indiscriminately kill children , to engage in children, to engage in indiscriminately killing children just in crimes. the fact is that if israel was to stop was to engage with the ceasefire at this point, it would be raising the white flag. >> it would be the international community accepting that israel doesn't have a right to defend itself against the ultimate act of barbarity. and it would be also admission that this kind also a admission that this kind of terrorism could be exported elsewhere in the world. that's that's what would happen if israel was to raise a white flag at this point. i mean, isn't that a point? >> you know what could happen if there's a ceasefire? is hamas

could regroup there. could just regroup there. terrorists, they're not really to bargained or reasoned to be bargained or reasoned with. do then down with. do they then put down their stop their weapons? what's to stop them if hamas want humanitarian aid to come into gaza and indeed, for palestinian people to be safer, why don't they hand back the hostages? why don't they stop using people as human shields at the reason why you need to have a ceasefire is there is no military solution to there is no military solution to the dispossession of the palestinian people. >> this is not going to be resolved. what will happen if gazais resolved. what will happen if gaza is entirely flattened, if every single person that's even crossed the street near someone who's a hamas operative has been killed? >> well, if israel talking about flattening hamas . flattening hamas. >> no, no, no. but it's not i'm sorry, it's not flattening hamas. if you have 8000 civilians who have died over 3000 children, a whole neighbourhoods completely flattened, that's not flattening hamas. that is flattening the palestinian people. that is flattening people . that's flattening people. that's flattening people. that's flattening children who have

hopes. that's a good point. justin lives who deserve to be alive. >> there's a big difference between what happened on the 7th of october and what's happening now. there seems to be yes, there is. >> one of a huge, tremendous, >> one is of a huge, tremendous, larger scale than other one. larger scale than the other one. >> an absolute >> there seems to be an absolute insistence people like insistence from people like jeremy corbyn and other people to draw a parallel between the two things. on october the seventh was the culmination of a ten month plan by hamas terrorists to go into people's homes to rape women, to behead children , to do the most children, to do the most unspeakable crimes. and israel didn't want that. hamas israel is now responding to those acts to defend its citizens. it cannot have hamas on the border and risk this happening again . and risk this happening again. no government could could could allow that to be the case defending its citizens. >> but how do you suggest that it does defend itself, is not defending its citizens? how should do it it doesn't do should it do it if it doesn't do it this? it like this? >> well, answer. the >> well, i'll answer. the hostages made in hostages are made no safer. in fact, they're more at fact, they're put far more at risk, is why some family

risk, which is why some family members of the hostages members of some of the hostages went see prime minister went to see prime minister netanyahu earlier this week asking delay ground asking to delay the ground offensive because very clearly negotiating is the way to bring back the hostages. and for israeli security , for the israeli security, for the security of people in israel . security of people in israel. the only solution, the only long term solution is to end the decades long dispossession of the palestinian people. gaza to gaza has been now for 17 years an open air prison. there has people have tried peaceful and i do not support armed. hold on. wait people have tried peaceful things. when, for example, march 2018, tens of thousands of palestinians in gaza marched peacefully , unarmed, to the peacefully, unarmed, to the border to protest against their then being in a prison camp . then being in a prison camp. they were shot with snipers over to hold on over 200. bring justin armed protesters killed over six, describing gaza as an open prison as david cameron did. >> justin it depends how far back you want to take.

>> you want to take this, but let's go back to 2005. for example, the disengagement from gaza, israel ripping its own citizens out of their homes forcibly . i citizens out of their homes forcibly. i remember citizens out of their homes forcibly . i remember covering forcibly. i remember covering the fallout from this on our front pages. it was extremely painful for a lot of a lot of israelis and a lot of jews. but it did it in order to hand back a piece of land that it had been asked for a long time by the palestinians and by the international hand international community to hand back. it back. and now back. it handed it back. and now look what's happened. we've had decades rocket attacks decades of rocket attacks from that we've had that strip. and now we've had the launch the most barbaric attacks that this world has seen for decades. what what do you want to be done about hamas on the border of israel? that's that's that's the question. >> israel has continued to occupy gaza since 2005 under international law. the reason why israel can shut off food fuel , water, electricity , fuel, water, electricity, internet, phone lines is because it has a total blockade by land, by air and by sea of gaza .

by air and by sea of gaza. >> that is why hamas firing rockets if it doesn't have any power . power. >> how do you mean? >> how do you mean? >> well, hamas clearly has been stockpiling utilities right in the tunnels . so perhaps they the tunnels. so perhaps they have. but what's your explanation for why they aren't helping the people of palestine? hamas there. the government hamas is there. the government of this area, and they are not helping the people of palestine because we understand that they're stockpiling fuel and suppues they're stockpiling fuel and supplies for hamas, for their own for their own terror attacks. >> israel has an extremely advanced extreme , effective advanced extreme, effective defence shield , the iron dome, defence shield, the iron dome, against hamas rockets , hamas against hamas rockets, hamas rockets. it has fired thousands of rockets in over the last 2—2 decades. and i think 34 israelis have been killed by those rockets. now again, again , you rockets. now again, again, you know better you know better than the threat from hamas rockets is does not legitimise the complete destruction of gaza, which is

taking place now. and the loss of thousands of children's lives. the intention of each and every one of those rockets is to kill civilians. >> and yes, israel has indeed invested in the iron dome. hamas has in tunnels for has invested in tunnels for decades. it's leaders having a lovely time in doha at the moment. have billions of pounds. there is there? there is no need for the palestinian people, for the people of gaza to be in the situation they're in. the reason they're in that situation is because of hamas. >> i mean, no, it isn't the reason the people of gaza reason why the people of gaza are in the situation they're in is because they have been dispossessed and denied by an occupying power for decades . occupying power for decades. thatis occupying power for decades. that is the that is the reality . that is the that is the reality. and now that power is killing children in a way which is utterly unjust , viable. utterly unjust, viable. >> can we bring it domestic for a moment? because obviously, we saw the palestine in peace marches yesterday in the streets of london. some say there weren't peaceful elements. some say that some were using language which appeared to support the october the support not only the october the

seventh but a degree of seventh attack, but a degree of jew hate on the streets of london. can we have a discussion about whether it is appropriate for protesters to saying from for protesters to be saying from the to river the it's the to river the sea, it's entirely appropriate. >> but hold on, please let me answer. a nswer. >> answer. >> the elimination of israel. >> the elimination of israel. >> please let me answer. it's entirely appropriate. i'm very proud that we had half a million people on the streets of london yesterday calling for a ceasefire . that was what that ceasefire. that was what that protest was , was about. and it's protest was, was about. and it's probably the largest protest we've seen on the streets of london since those that oppose the iraq war in 2003. the ovennhelming majority of british people want to see a cease fire and they are raising their voice because that is the morally justified position . and any justified position. and any attempts and there have been many , many attempts to many, many attempts to characterise these basic human progressive protests as being anti—jewish . they're not anti—jewish. they're not anti —jewish. anti—jewish. they're not anti—jewish. i went on one, i marched with the jewish is anti —jewish. >> when people anti—jewish. >> when people start protesting

outside the sydney opera house and saying gas, the jews gas the jews, it is anti—semitic. when people start wearing pictures of paragliders on the of their paragliders on the back of their jackets, people of course shouldn't say gas to jews. >> that's unbelievably offensive. to suggest that offensive. but to suggest that half million people calling half a million people calling for dignity and life for children are somehow being anti—semitic, let's see what justin vile slur and is completely false. >> so justin , from the river to >> so justin, from the river to the sea, let's start on an element of agreement . element of agreement. >> i would i would almost certainly imagine that not every protester on the streets of london yesterday was anti—semitic or pro—hamas. london yesterday was anti—semitic or pro—hamas . and i anti—semitic or pro—hamas. and i every time i've heard suggestions that they are from members of my own community or from other people, i have i have rebutted those with every sinew. i but when you people i have. but when you have people on streets singing for on the streets singing for jihad, singing for another intifada, and worse, calling , intifada, and worse, calling, repeating old chants, recalling battles between muslims and jews in which jews have been slaughtered, that that is not

thatis slaughtered, that that is not that is that is anti—semitic. thatis that is that is anti—semitic. that is not helping the palestinian cause. and that action has to be taken by the police and the government. and before next saturday, because that that doesn't just that affects people on the streets. >> the police are cracking down on some of these rogue elements because as you say, they're giving peaceful marchers a really name. really bad name. >> so my largest priority is to have the biggest possible expression of public support for a ceasefire because our government has a role in this conflict. we support israel diplomatically. we give it weapons. that is the absolute priority. course, there are priority. of course, there are some fringe. >> so keir starmer needs to pivot position finally. pivot to his position finally. >> course he does. but of >> of course he does. but of course there always fringe course there are always fringe elements things and elements in some things and there are idiots will there are some idiots who will be idiotic. let's be clear be idiotic. but let's be clear the the ovennhelming the majority, the ovennhelming majority british people majority of the british people want they're want a ceasefire and they're right to do so. >> james schneider figures come from yougov poll from james actually yougov poll ten days ago. well that's that's not figure and the not the latest figure and the see latest figure i'm sure see the latest figure i'm sure it's fact is that it's higher the fact is that keir is the final point. keir starmer is the final point. >> that final point,

>> justin, in that final point, quickly, is absorbing quickly, starmer is absorbing a lot pressure do what he's doing. >> can you imagine what would happen your former boss had happen if your former boss had beenin happen if your former boss had been in power? >> now what would much better? >> no, it wouldn't. no, it wouldn't. british, as wouldn't. as a british, as a british, hamas and hezbollah aren't though, are aren't friends, though, are they, james? >> no, wouldn't say no, >> no, i wouldn't say no, indeed. right, justin james, indeed. all right, justin james, thank for thank you very much indeed for joining morning. up joining me this morning. up next, howard, the next, is john howard, the longest longest longest second, longest serving prime australia? prime minister of australia? i'll getting his views on i'll be getting his views on everything from war in everything from the war in israel whether he thinks everything from the war in israeisunak ether he thinks everything from the war in israeisunak is1er he thinks everything from the war in israeisunak is doing thinks everything from the war in israeisunak is doing aiinks everything from the war in israeisunak is doing a good job rishi sunak is doing a good job as

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now i'm delighted to be joined by john howard. he served as liberal party prime minister of australia from 1996 to two thousand and seven. he's the second longest serving australian prime minister in history. john lovely to see you. you were over for this arc conference, which we're going to be speaking about freedom of speech and also defence of the achievements of western

civilisation. well, we should champion them, shouldn't they, rather than denigrated or always champion success? indeed. so. well, talking of success, you had a lot of success with your gun laws over in australia . gun laws over in australia. we've seen this horrific situation in maine. the gunman has been found dead this morning, but at the same time, again, gun laws in america costing countless lives. australia clamped down on this. and my understanding is you haven't had a mass shooting since. what could the us learn from the australian ? us? from the australian? us? >> well, certainly our clamp down, which happened just after i became prime minister and there was a mass shooting, 35 people killed by one madman in a remote area of tasmania and we did something and it had widespread community support, although it did cause a lot of opposition in in certain rural areas because farmers legitimately had weapons as part of their daily work. it's easy from a distance to say the

americans should do this, that and the other. the history of that country is different. we didn't fight the british with arms to get our independence . arms to get our independence. they were happy to give it to us and there's a different culture. but that having been said, i live in hope that our american friends will do something , but friends will do something, but it will require an enormous personal courage from an american president. >> indeed. so we were speaking just earlier. i don't know if you caught that debate, but i was talking about that horrific incident outside the sydney opera house where some protesters were calling for jews to gassed the aftermath of to be gassed in the aftermath of the seventh attack. the october the seventh attack. we've seen hundreds of thousands of people marching for palestine on streets of london at the on the streets of london at the weekend and there has been a suggestion in not least by our own home secretary suella braverman, that multiculturalism has failed in the western world. do you agree with that analysis ? do you agree with that analysis? >> well, separately from this issue , i have my doubts about issue, i have my doubts about multicolour pluralism. i believe

that when you migrate to another country , you should, as far as country, you should, as far as reasonably be expected to absorb the mainstream culture of that country. sure return, retain your affection for greece or italy or wherever you may have come from. and we've been very successful. i mean, i constantly meet people whose ancestors came to australia from from greece and italy and germany and the baltic countries immediately after , or more recently from after, or more recently from china and india. but most widely spoken foreign language in australia now is chinese . and australia now is chinese. and yes, there are 1.4 million australians of chinese heritage. now it all works well. it largely works well. i think , largely works well. i think, because people are attracted to the founder . asian mainstream the founder. asian mainstream culture of australia , which is culture of australia, which is open and tolerant, but also very proud of what our country has achieved. and i think if we put more emphasis is on what our

nafion more emphasis is on what our nation has achieved and what the western world has achieved and were less apologetic and less inclined to say, oh, we're to all blame. the better we would be. >> has the recent rise in anti—semitism not just in the uk but also in australia, surprised to you? john in australia i don't find a lot of anti semitism. >> i really don't. and i mean the jewish community is small but very proudly australian and some of our greatest historical figures, without any doubt our greatest. >> but you will have seen reports in the uk of the chanting from the river to the sea. >> oh, look, we've had some, some absolute unacceptable. i mean that demonstration outside the sydney opera house was shameful. i mean , people saying shameful. i mean, people saying gaffs, the jews. now that was a deliberate invocation version of the of the holocaust, which was the of the holocaust, which was the most foul deed in human history. 6 million people gassed to death because they were jewish. now, that is something

that we should all be offended by. but having said all of that , by. but having said all of that, i don't think the average australian is anti—semitic . and australian is anti—semitic. and i think there are some anti semitic jews. there are some who years ago were anti—catholic or anti protestant. i mean, it was just but i do think that this late us operation in the middle east has brought out the double standards for a lot of the people have got to understand that the only way you will get lasting settlement in the middle eastis lasting settlement in the middle east is for there to be a full acceptance of israel's right to exist behind secure, defensible boundaries. now, until all the entire arab world does that, it's going to be very difficult, in my opinion, to see a lasting settlement. >> what was your reaction to the un secretary—general antonio u n secretary—general antonio guterres response un secretary—general antonio guterres response to this conflict? he seemed to be taking sides. >> well, i don't think he

contributed anything . in in the contributed anything. in in the long run. the only basis of a proper a proper settlement is to have a genuine two state solution. >> yeah, but how is that possible? >> well well, it's not going to be possible just by the secretary—general of the united nafions secretary—general of the united nations calling for it or calling for a see. so we'd all love a ceasefire. yeah, we'd all love a ceasefire. yeah, we'd all love violence to stop up tomorrow. but that's not going tomorrow. but that's not going to happen. and the latest element in this long running saga was the terrible attack by hamas on the 7th of october. now that happened not withstanding the desire of a lot of peaceful palestinians , a lot of peaceful palestinians, a lot of peaceful israelis to live together in harmony . and until the reasons harmony. and until the reasons for that are rooted out and destroyed and it's going to happen again , is the un fit for happen again, is the un fit for purpose, do you think? well, i don't think it is fit for

purpose. but having said that, i think some of its agencies do good work. i think unicef does good work. i think unicef does good work. i think unicef does good work. i think the high commission for refugees does some work . but commission for refugees does some work. but i think it's some good work. but i think it's sort of a plenary ministrations , sort of a plenary ministrations, if i can call it that often fall well short of the mark if you were still pm, what would you be saying to netanyahu right now? well, i would be expressing the strong and qualified support of the australian people for the right of israel to respond with effective military force . but effective military force. but what has been a heinous attack on its people . on its people. >> let's move over to matters in australia. i was interested by all of the coverage of the no vote when it came to the aboriginal voice debate. was it important that the no vote won ? important that the no vote won? >> well, i thought it was the right outcome. it was a very strong vote . i think it largely strong vote. i think it largely happened because deep down australians recognise that we

have a pretty stable, happy , have a pretty stable, happy, successful, cohesive country and when somebody comes along without explanation , without any without explanation, without any strong argument and says, we want to alter the foundation document , we say to ourselves, document, we say to ourselves, hang on, what's he up to? what's this mean? there is in the australian nature, what i call a deep celtic sceptic ism. we don't like people coming along and saying, i'll do this and the world will be beautiful tomorrow . so we our reaction is what's he want? what's he up to? we don't like this. and i think seriously that lay behind a part of this very strong and it was a convincing vote for no . convincing vote for no. >> do you think that has a positive knock on effect when it comes to pro—monarchy sympathies? >> oh, look, i don't think there'll be a vote on the monarchy for years. yeah, i mean, there was one. >> there's a minister for the repubuc >> there's a minister for the republic now that. well, albanese is painting him off at

a early age. a very early age. >> really? i think so. how would you the king's first year you judge the king's first year on throne to have been. oh, on the throne to have been. oh, look, i wish to be in any way patronised. king i think he's done a wonderful job, but it's the system of government . and as the system of government. and as much as the person of the monarch that matters and i think we have seen in recent weeks and months , indeed some of the months, indeed some of the difficulties in the united states of an alternative to the parliamentary system. and that's not to say you can't have a parliamentary system without a monarch. i have to acknowledge that intellectually . but i think that intellectually. but i think the whole package comes together rather well and i think the attitude of many australians is, gee, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> now. give us some advice to rishi sunak the tories are in a bit of a pickle. they're 20 points behind pressure on the chancellor, jeremy hunt, to cut taxes in the autumn statement . taxes in the autumn statement. what advice would john howard give this duo? >> look, i i'm not falling for

that. i've only met rhiannon. no, i've only met rishi once or twice . look, i think he's, you twice. look, i think he's, you know, he's obviously faces a huge struggle. he knows that he's a long way behind in the polls. and the conservatives have been in power for a long time and they've been through a few prime ministers recently. well, that's right. >> can he pull it round? >> can he pull it round? >> beg pardon? >> beg pardon? >> can he pull it around? well anything's possible. >> can he pull it around? well anyhing's possible. >> can he pull it around? well anyi think possible. >> can he pull it around? well anyi think onesible. >> can he pull it around? well anyi think one of.e. >> can he pull it around? well anyi think one of the things >> i think one of the things you've got to learn about modern politics is that lot more politics is that it's a lot more fluid. when i was first involved in politics and i think it was true in britain as it was in australia , where you a sort true in britain as it was in au40,lia , where you a sort true in britain as it was in au40, 40, where you a sort true in britain as it was in au40, 40, 20 are you a sort true in britain as it was in au40, 40, 20 rule,nu a sort true in britain as it was in au40, 40, 20 rule, 40% a sort true in britain as it was in au 40, 40, 20 rule, 40% always of 40, 40, 20 rule, 40% always voted for the labour party, for the socialists, the centre—left, whatever you them, and 40% whatever you call them, and 40% always voted for our side of politics, which of course in australia is called the liberals a different, but liberal a bit different, but liberal here and 20% moved around. i now think it's more like 30, 30, 40 and i think you've got a far more fluid situation. so he may look to be a long way behind. he

is a long way behind. he knows that. but he's doing things. he's responding . he's responding. >> and you'll probably agree he has to stop the boats. does he need to cut tax in the autumn ? need to cut tax in the autumn? >> look, that is entirely a matter for his judgement. but is it politically expedient to offer that? look, people always like tax. yes but like paying less tax. yes but strangely enough, they like to have government have plenty of government services. and the art of services. yes and the art of government is putting those two things into balance. >> so you would say to the chancellor, what make it a bit more red bloodedly, right. >> i would i would say something to him privately and publicly. i would respect the difficult job that he has just as when i was tony blair's opposite number, i was in fact the only australian prime minister that tony blair ever dealt with, or they were on different. >> one final word, john. who would you like to see get the republican nomination in trump or someone else? >> i couldn't vote for trump if i were an american. no. so somebody else? >> no. >> no. >> somebody else, because he wouldn't lead the field when he

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>> good evening to you at 7:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the un's warning civil order in gaza is beginning to collapse after thousands of people broke into aid depots in a desperate search for basic supplies. unwra the un agency for palestinian refugees , says for palestinian refugees, says it's an indication people in gaza have reached breaking point with their patience and ability to take any more at rock bottom . to take any more at rock bottom. residents have endured 36 hours of israeli bombardment, but some communications have now been restored after a total blackout . restored after a total blackout. meanwhile, the palestinian red crescent says israel has told them to immediate evacuate the al—quds hospital , which has al—quds hospital, which has around 400 patients and some 14,000 people taking refuge . the 14,000 people taking refuge. the gaza health ministry said this morning more than 8000 people

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