rants were relayed to everyone. >> you called ministers useless pigs >> you called ministers useless pigs more ons. >> you called ministers useless pigs more ons . but as he lets pigs more ons. but as he lets rip at his former boss, the man they called the trolley, did bons they called the trolley, did boris johnson actually get it right when he asked , why are we right when he asked, why are we destroying the economy for people who will sadly die anyway, my brutally honest opinion is up next. >> i'm not pulling my punches , >> i'm not pulling my punches, but i'll also get the views of tonight's top panel. esther mcvey , derek lord and rebecca mcvey, derek lord and rebecca reid in the clash as king charles begins his state visit to kenya. should he be apologising for britain's colonial past? nigel gardiner and nina myskow go head to head ? and nina myskow go head to head? plus, the dame with the game. former education minister andrea jenkyns reacts to a somerset council ditching the word mother in yet another insult to women . in yet another insult to women. and finally, with a new poll showing older people are far

more likely to recycle than the gen 2 brigade are, the younger generation eco hypocrites ? it's generation eco hypocrites? it's kim woodburn squares off against the infamous just stop oil protester who went snooker loopy at the world championships . he's at the world championships. he's got balls, as does kim. that's the clash . that's not one to the clash. that's not one to miss. as always , you'll get miss. as always, you'll get a first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages, hot off the press and the formidable journalist and biographer tom bower will be here on a tough day for the subject of his best selling book. boris johnson. so a packed two hours coming up with my big opinion on the way. it's a lively one. first, the news and tatiana sanchez . mark news and tatiana sanchez. mark thank you very much and good evening. >> this is the latest from the newsroom. boris johnson's former chief adviser has told the covid inquiry he warned of the nhs imploding like a zombie apocalypse film . dominic apocalypse film. dominic cummings says he called for daily crisis meetings fearing

the pandemic was coming much faster than expected . he also faster than expected. he also said the government had no plan to help vulnerable people during lockdown and the cabinet office was trying to block the creation of a shielding plan . israel's of a shielding plan. israel's military says it was targeting a very senior hamas commander in an airstrike on the jabalya refugee camp . this is video refugee camp. this is video footage that they have released this evening. israel defence forces says it destroyed entrances to terror tunnels, weapons and military equipment. the airstrike killed 50 palestinians and left 150 injured. officials are now saying the opening of gaza's rafah border crossing tomorrow will allow for 81 severely wounded palestinians to be treated in egypt . meanwhile treated in egypt. meanwhile a group of pro—palestinian activists have staged a sit in at liverpool street station in london in protest at the israel—hamas conflict . more than israel—hamas conflict. more than 500 people joined the protest to

demand an immediate ceasefire to israel's attacks on gaza and an end to arms exports to israel . end to arms exports to israel. the xl bully dogs will be banned at the end of the year from the sist at the end of the year from the 31st of december. it will be illegal to breed, sell, rehome or abandon an xl bully dog and existing owners will be required to follow a strict set of rules such as ensuring the dog is muzzled and on a lead . and king muzzled and on a lead. and king charles has delivered a speech at the state house in nairobi, where he quoted from the late queen his mother's diary in that queen his mother's diary in that queen elizabeth. the second said she didn't want to miss a moment of kenya's extra ordinary landscape. king charles also thanked the people of kenya for their support for the late queen. in 1952, when she became monarch. his majesty also acknowledged the more difficult times of britain and kenya's shared history, with her finishing with a touching toast. it is upon the enduring

connection between our people that our partnership rests . that our partnership rests. >> it is on their enterprise imagination and fortitude that our common hopes depend . our common hopes depend. together, we are stronger together for our future is more secure here and together . as secure here and together. as your national anthem says , may your national anthem says, may we dwell in unity, peace and liberty . liberty. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio, and now on your smart speaken radio, and now on your smart speaker. by simply saying play gb news. now it's back to . mark gb news. now it's back to. mark >> i thought i was watching trainspotting, goodfellas or an episode of the thick of it today , turning the air tory blue. >> boris johnson's former chief adviser, dominic cummings, spoke to the official covid inquiry. you called ministers useless

pigs you called ministers useless pigs more . in you called ministers useless pigs more. in the emails and whatsapps to your professional colleagues . colleagues. >> do you think you contributed to a lack of effectiveness on the part of ministers and of the cabinet? >> my appalling language is obviously my own, but but my judgement of a lot of senior people was widespread . people was widespread. >> blimey . when i heard that >> blimey. when i heard that language, i didn't know whether i was coming or going. he then took a brief break from the and jeffing to share his views on the functioning of the government machine. at the time, the cabinet office was a bombsite and many officials had come to me and said this is causing chaos. >> there has to be some formalised system to actually grip this because the cabinet office was a dumpster fire. >> the cabinet office was a dump ster fire. i'm going to assume that's a bad thing. so who was the best man for the job? i'm

assuming the prime minister. i mean, surely it would be the prime minister that was the best person for the job. >> why did you want michael gove to be in charge of regular devolved administration updates and minister? and not the prime minister? >> thought gove would >> i thought gove would handle it times better . it ten times better. >> what? >> handle what? >> handle what? >> ten times better handle the process of dealing with the da's. da's. >> was he the prime minister? >> was he the prime minister? >> obviously no . >> obviously not, no. >> obviously not, no. >> blimey. things must have been very bad . you know you're in very bad. you know you're in trouble when michael gove is your best option. it was a tough day for boris johnson as cummings revealed that he and others who worked with him knew that was to be prime that he was unfit to be prime minister and quote, he won't read papers and he cannot chair meetings . he described boris as meetings. he described boris as like a shopping trolley smashing from one side of the aisle to the other , explaining his the other, explaining his decision to support the blonde bombshell, cummings said they decided to roll the dice on bofis decided to roll the dice on boris and try to build a team around him. well they rolled the dice on the country to the

chaotic shambles that was number 10 during the pandemic. confirms what we feared all along. that whilst we were sat on our hands at home in an insane and ruinous experiment to stop a respiratory virus, they didn't have a clue what they were doing . no what they were doing. no evidence based science , no evidence based science, no proper debate, no risk assessment, just chaos and disorder order led by indulgent idiots woefully out of their depth, often drunk on oxford landing or jacobs creek, purchased from the westminster branch of tesco express . we can branch of tesco express. we can be entertained by the soap opera and chuckle at the choice of language, but it won't bring a smile to anyone dealing with the legacy of the in my view, wildly failed policies inflicted upon us for two and a half years , us for two and a half years, where countries with fewer measures saw the same, if not better, outcomes. the sad reality is that boris johnson's instincts were right all along, but he lacked the backbone to follow them through sending a message to one of his advisors,

he said he couldn't understand why we were destroying the economy for a virus which saw the average age of death being over 80, which is actually higher than the life expectancy in this country , he joked. get in this country, he joked. get covid, live longer instead , covid, live longer instead, cummings panicked johnson saying the nhs would implode like a zombie apocalypse film without lockdowns happening . well, lockdowns happening. well, thanks to the policies we saw for which those calling them out as mad were demonised, britain is now a zombie apocalypse film now this drawn out and expensive inquiry could go on until 2026. let me save them the trouble and the money. damaging efforts to mitigate a virus that everyone was going to get anyway failed spectacularly . and we are all spectacularly. and we are all paying spectacularly. and we are all paying the price for a broken economy. eyewatering debt and nhs waiting list of 7.6 million people for a mental health tsunami and a generation of damaged kids. forget about dominic cummings language today.

my own views on this spectacular and historic mistake are not suitable for broadcast on a family show. however, there are two words i can say on air never again . your reaction, mark .com. again. your reaction, mark .com. i'll get the thoughts now of my brilliant panel, former cabinet minister and gb news presenter esther mcvey, mp , banker and esther mcvey, mp, banker and visiting professor derek lord and author and journalist rebecca reid . derek, your rebecca reid. derek, your reaction to what you heard today in parliament? >> it wasn't in parliament. where was it? it was the inquiry , the parliament, of course it was. >> i think that select committee isn't sitting, but none of it came as a surprise to me. >> i mean, we all know that at the most important level, government is a dysfunctional entity. i mean, there are examples in our living memory which would horrify any taxpayer . for £10 billion spent on an it system in the nhs that then didn't work. the same happened

in the ministry of defence . look in the ministry of defence. look at the shambles of hs2, but to come back specifically to cummings , the one thing i would cummings, the one thing i would say about this is that it reveals more about boris johnson than it does about government, because i've always known esther will be able to tell us too in detail that government is pretty dysfunctional at many levels. but it reinforced to me that bofis but it reinforced to me that boris johnson's not really very good at following his own instincts, because if he was following his own instincts , following his own instincts, there wouldn't have been a lockdown and he clearly did not. and i think, too, probably if he was following his own instincts, if truth be known, he would not have been a campaigner to leave the european union. so there are other examples that one could advance to show that the big problem in government at the

time was not somebody like cummings, but it was in fact the prime minister himself. >> esther mcvey. are you shocked and disappointed to hear the details of what was going on at number 10 during the pandemic when i listened to dominic cummings , unfortunately, he's cummings, unfortunately, he's got an overinflated opinion of himself. >> he thought he was the genius and everybody else were thickos, quite frankly. and it was the other way round the person. in fact, there were two people whose instincts were right, and that was boris johnson , and it that was boris johnson, and it was sunak. but was rishi sunak. but unfortunately were unfortunately they were browbeaten the lockdown browbeaten by the lockdown fanatics, of which cummings is one. so you've got witty villains, civil servants and villains, the civil servants and as i said, cummings and unfortunately, they buckle to that. but the reality is what bofis that. but the reality is what boris johnson said, the average age of life expectancy in this country is 80.9 years old. the average age, should you have got covid and died? was 83. and the number of people who got covid and died was nought point 3. so should you have followed those figures? you would not have

locked down? so we've got locked down? and so we've got our eminent professor, whether that's sunetra whether that's sunetra gupta, whether that's sunetra gupta, whether that was professor carl heneghan saying you shouldn't lock down, you should look after the most vulnerable in society , because vulnerable in society, because what flows from that will be the disasters that happened. and they surely did so sadly for me, bofis they surely did so sadly for me, boris didn't follow his instincts and his failings is that he wants to be loved and sadly, i think that's why he buckled. dominic cummings should never have been in that job. and the tragedy is if boris had had followed his instinct and not locked down, had have done more like sweden , we would have done like sweden, we would have done a lot better and he'd still be in a job. >> and why didn't he? >> and why didn't he? >> there's no point having a view that's retrospective. woulda, shoulda, coulda. why didn't he have the backbone to stand sage his stand up to sage and his colleagues in the civil service and in the cabinet? and possibly in the cabinet? >> i think because he >> i think it is because he wants be loved. he was wants to be loved. he was looking for approval from everybody else. and other everybody else. and the other thing say, when so many thing i will say, when so many

people all are ganging up against you , like i said, and against you, like i said, and you're being you're witty, you're being you're witty, you're constantly being told he did some of the did buckle. so some of the things cummings oh, things when cummings said, oh, i spoke for two hours and spoke to him for two hours and he didn't his mind. he didn't change his mind. cummings because he cummings that's because he didn't think much to your opinion. was opinion. but eventually it was watered the fact watered down. and maybe the fact that he got covid also depleted his chaos in number 10. >> rebekah reid, should those who backed lockdowns hang their heads in shame? >> think at the time. why >> no, i think at the time. why not? think at the time not? because i think at the time everybody trying everybody was genuinely trying to thing. nobody. to do the right thing. nobody. it was the wrong thing. >> sure. >> sure. >> absolutely. people make >> absolutely. but people make mistakes. was an mistakes. and this was an unprecedented situation in and i'm one sit here and sing i'm not one to sit here and sing boris's praises. that's not my natural but when boris's praises. that's not my nlookl but when boris's praises. that's not my nlook at but when boris's praises. that's not my nlook at this, but when boris's praises. that's not my nlook at this, i but when boris's praises. that's not my nlook at this, i feel but when boris's praises. that's not my nlook at this, i feel reallynhen i look at this, i feel really cross because i'm not sure that it's a good use anyone's time it's a good use of anyone's time and to pore over how this and money to pore over how this happened. never again. happened. i agree. never again. i think people would it i don't think people would do it again. but are people who again. but these are people who all came to work every day trying to keep him alive and keep safe. is not keep people safe. this is not malicious. it not malicious. it was not totalitarian control. it was not bofis totalitarian control. it was not boris to ruin boris johnson wanting to ruin everyone's was

everyone's lives. this was because genuinely thought because people genuinely thought it to do. it was the safest thing to do. and it's really easy to and i think it's really easy to forget that everyone, the tory and i think it's really easy to forgeiwere everyone, the tory and i think it's really easy to forgeiwere in�*eryone, the tory and i think it's really easy to forgeiwere in this ne, the tory and i think it's really easy to forgeiwere in this instanceory party were in this instance working trying the working from trying to do the right derek, the medical experts were clear that lockdowns were very clear that lockdowns masking eventually vaccines were very clear that lockdowns maskirsave eventually vaccines were very clear that lockdowns maskirsave lives. 1tually vaccines would save lives. >> they >> what have they got to apologise for? would argue apologise for? many would argue nothing. well the science changed and advice similarly changed and the advice similarly over time. changed and the advice similarly ovethe time. changed and the advice similarly ovethe one time. changed and the advice similarly ovethe one thingime. changed and the advice similarly ovethe one thing you've got to >> the one thing you've got to remember that there are 216 remember is that there are 216 virus humans in this virus that infect humans in this country in the world. country at and in the world. sorry. and for new viruses, every year . the thing that's every year. the thing that's most strange, i've had a few of them, i don't want to show them, but i don't want to show off that's most off the thing that's most strange you have strange is that you would have thought department of thought the department of health, office and health, the cabinet office and the can i just already the treasury can i just already have in plan for dealing with. >> there was a there was a plan in place and that was not to lock down. and also had lock down. and also they had these facts in april, may of 2020, was vulnerable to the 2020, who was vulnerable to the disease? and they. do you have any backing a man any regrets for backing a man who was demonstrably the wrong person to be prime minister dunng person to be prime minister during the pandemic? >> vote for him? >> did you vote for him? >> did you vote for him? >> most the party voted for >> most of the party voted for

me. i did. and actually, at me. yes, i did. and actually, at the time people were getting him in to do brexit, he did do in to do brexit, which he did do with right personality with the right personality because the whole sunak because of the whole rishi sunak no, there's no way no, i'm saying there's no way rishi at all rishi would have looked at all of advice from all the of the advice from all the scientists said, sure, i'll scientists and said, sure, i'll be the rishi sunak would have crunched the numbers because he is . is a spreadsheet. >> the money like >> he'd furlough the money like sweetie, he one of the very sweetie, he was one of the very few who was anti—lockdown and it was him flying that money like it was free to stop lockdown, carry on. >> we know the socialist view was to lock down like they did in wales and scotland and that was there was basis in charge. >> it was basically the conservative gambled the conservative party gambled the future of a nation by putting somebody inside number 10 that they knew all along could only do thing, and that was do one thing, and that was brexit and nothing else. and it was disaster. was a disaster. >> did okay at the time. >> i did okay at the time. rebecca at the time it was understood to be that there was a very real risk to human life. we know that wasn't the we know now that that wasn't the case, we know case, but we did not know particularly we did at the time. case, but we did not know par did.arly we did at the time. case, but we did not know par did it�*ly we did at the time. case, but we did not know par did it atwe did at the time. case, but we did not know par did it at theiid at the time. case, but we did not know par did it at the very: the time.

case, but we did not know par did it at the very beginning, we did it at the very beginning, february 2020. we didn't know we weren't the science very weren't the science was very mixed. by march knew it mixed. no, no. by march knew it was 2020. was april and may 2020. >> they the nought point 3% >> they knew the nought point 3% and knew was vulnerable and they knew who was vulnerable and they knew who was vulnerable and they knew the age. and that's you had anders that's why you had anders tegnell from sweden, tegnell coming over from sweden, who was the. >> sweden is a completely different who said, this different country who said, this is not what you should do. >> you should be protecting the most vulnerable. and that is completely sweden. completely different in sweden. >> completely completely different in sweden. >> country. ompletely completely different in sweden. >> country. noyletely completely different in sweden. >> country. no that's different country. no that's not true . true. >> logic, sweden has by >> by this logic, sweden has by this logic, two cds and a 10% bame population. >> logic , why would they >> by this logic, why would they have wanted down? why have wanted to lock down? why would to destroy the would they wanted to destroy the economy? well, possibly because of at number 10 where of a culture at number 10 where they got a kick out of telling people what to do. >> didn't. seriously, the >> they didn't. seriously, the data ferguson data professor neil ferguson and professor john data professor neil ferguson and professorjohn edmonds, data professor neil ferguson and professor john edmonds, who were pushing for it and they were wrong. >> modelling that's been >> the modelling that's been done very credible and it's done is very credible and it's very authoritative. had we locked down earlier, would locked down earlier, we would have have . have we would have. >> we would. it's that's true. it's we would have in it's we would have been in lockdown for days. lockdown for 35 days. >> not 69. >> not 69. >> true. well, look, it's

>> it's true. well, look, it's all the show is the home of diverse opinion. what's yours? mark gbnews.com as a somerset council ditches the word mother in another insult to biological women should the uk follow emmanuel macron's lead and stop woke ideology destroying the engush woke ideology destroying the english language ? former english language? former education minister and full woman dame andrea jenkins gives her take on that shortly . but her take on that shortly. but next up in the clash, as king charles tells a kenya state banquet that the wrongdoings of the past are a cause of the greatest regret should the monarch apologise for britain's colonial history, margaret thatcher's former aide, nigel gardiner, debates that with broadcaster myskow sparks broadcaster nina myskow sparks will fly. they're both angry, and their

pm. on gb news, the people's channel pm. on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> straight talking tory mp, dame andrea jenkins. on the way. another insult to real women. the ditching of the word mother. more on that shortly. but it's time now for the clash . and as time now for the clash. and as our magnificent king charles begins his state visit to kenya today, protests over britain's colonial past threatened to derail the entire four day trip with the kenyan human rights commission, releasing a statement on sunday urging the king to issue an unconditional and unequivocal public apology for the brutal and inhuman treatment inflicted on kenyan citizens . speaking at a state citizens. speaking at a state banquet tonight, king charles did express sympathy but stopped short of saying that five letter word. take a listen.

>> we must also acknowledge the most painful times of our long and complex relationship the wrongdoings of the past are a cause of the greatest sorrow and the deepest regret . the were the deepest regret. the were abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence committed against kenyans. of violence committed against kenyans . and for that, there can kenyans. and for that, there can be no excuse . be no excuse. >> now, back in 2013, the government paid £20 million in compensation to thousands of kenyans and issued a statement of regret. but crucially, ministers never said sorry. so tonight i'm asking, ministers never said sorry. so tonight i'm asking , should the tonight i'm asking, should the king be apologising for britain's colonial past? let me know your thoughts at gbnews.com or tweet us at gb news and do vote in the poll on twitter. the results coming shortly. but to debate this now live in the studio, two good friends of mine, the former adviser to margaret thatcher and a brilliant broadcaster, diplomatic writer for diplomatic expert and writer for the telegraph newspaper, niall

gardner and journalistic and broadcasting icon nina myskow. so nigel gardner , sorry, seems so nigel gardner, sorry, seems to be the hardest word . to be the hardest word. >> well, thanks for having me on the show tonight, mark, and pleasure. >> it's my view that britain should not be apologising for the british empire. where does this all end , actually? and you this all end, actually? and you have these endless calls for britain to pay reparations us to say sorry for its imperial past. usually these calls come from the left, often from the far left, and i think that britain should be proud of its history as a great nation that transformed the world. britain should not be apologise for its past in this case, with regard to kenya , the british acted to kenya, the british acted against a terrorist movement in the form of the mau mau. they suppressed that uprising , which suppressed that uprising, which did target large numbers of civilians and involved large numbers of casualties. as a result of the barbarism. frankly, the mau mau. so i don't think britain should be apologising for a counter—terror operation, which was very

effective, very successful, led by winston churchill when he was prime minister. and britain should feel proud of its past and the role it has played in making the world a far better place. >> are there any circumstances in which britain should apologise for its past? should we apologise for dresden or any other atrocities ? other atrocities? >> no, it should not be apologising for dresden for bombing . crucial, of bombing germany. crucial, of course, to winning world war ii. the british were not targeting civilians as they were seeking the destruction of germany, a legitimate war aim. so we should not be apologising ing for our past. not be apologising ing for our past . and the british people past. and the british people should feel proud . and i think should feel proud. and i think their imperial past, their role in defeating germany and defeating tyranny and of course, spreading , frankly, civilisation spreading, frankly, civilisation across the world. that's a record to be proud of. >> britain. nina michkov should not be apologising for its past. the world should be thanking britain for what we've done. >> there are many wonderful things that the british and the british empire have achieved and

have nobody would take have done, and nobody would take that away from them. but if we're talking about civilised the that british soldiers the way that british soldiers and british and the british people treated the kenyans , people treated the kenyans, 10,000 at least were killed . 10,000 at least were killed. they were detained in more or less concentration camps . they less concentration camps. they were tortured. they were there was disease, there was malnutrition. they there were they were beaten to death. and these were done by the british. now that is you can't you can't negate that. and the fact that this test case that was brought a decade ago, which caused an out—of settlement court, which was the 20 million you you talked about, that was an implicit, you know , admission on implicit, you know, admission on the part of the government that there had been wrongdoing . now, there had been wrongdoing. now, there had been wrongdoing. now, the thing is, if you're a victim, the one thing you want never mind the reparation, are those two words. i'm sorry or we're sorry. the victims, we're sorry. yes. but their family

continue. you can't. the thing is, you also have to ask yourself why. why is charles going to kenya now ? it's his going to kenya now? it's his first visit to the commonwealth as king. it's the first non european. he's only been to france so far. kenya is obviously very important to the british government. why? because us, china and russia both have their eye on africa to and have their eye on africa to and have their ways and means of infiltrating in offering them money, building railways , all of money, building railways, all of that sort of stuff. so obviously we want to keep kenya on side and if we want to keep kenya on side, the smart, diplomatic, political thing to do is to say those two words, what a slur on olii'. >> our. >> king that you're saying he's in kenya just for financial reasons? >> no, no, he's in kenya because the government has sent him. >> well, look, what do you think about nina's point of atrocities? you know, the loss of life. people tortured. why is it hard to say one short it so hard to say one short word? well what about the thousands of kenyans who are the

victims of mau mau atrocities? >> a terrorist organisation who targeted ordinary kenyans, who they who they saw as loyal, of course, to the british crown? what about those ? what about those? >> what about the wrong victims? >> what about the wrong victims? >> there? but but that i think we have to stand up to terrorism. we have to fight it and defeat it, which is exactly what winston churchill did. >> the people, the >> i mean, the people, the tragic people involved are no longer us. so it's longer with us. okay. so it's hardly future hardly affecting future generations. and secondly , it generations. and secondly, it opens to the madness of opens the door to the madness of reparation well. reparation as well. >> reparations. next. >> reparations. that's next. reparations doesn't have to be won't it won't stop an apology does mean a of i does not mean a lot of money. i mean, is now writing checks. >> nina. no, no, no, no, no. >> nina. no, no, no, no, no. >> for that it doesn't. it doesn't need a lot of money. but listen, we have benefited financially from empire. financially from the empire. let's not forget that. and. and the benefit of the empire and its infrastructure. you its infrastructure. well, you have values . have to ask the british values. well, democracy and british values. democracy and british values. democracy and british values should have been at play

between 1952 and 1960 when those people were taught. >> if i could respond , could i >> if i could respond, could i respond to that? >> and beaten stop being so polite, get stuck in. >> i think that defeating terrorism , um, is a good thing. terrorism, um, is a good thing. and we i agree. we defeated the mau mau , a barbaric terrorist mau mau, a barbaric terrorist movement who killed thousands. >> i agree . >> i agree. >> i agree. >> we should not be apologising for defeating, but we should be using the same we should not be using the same we should not be using the same methods. >> may i remind you, we're >> and may i remind you, we're not the same methods at not using the same methods at all. completely all. we were completely different. using the different. we were using the same we started on the same methods. we started on the part of the british 100. >> no, absolutely not. >> no, absolutely not. >> may i remind you, ludicrous to britain. may i remind you ? to britain. may i remind you? may i remind you it's torture, not nelson mandela was regarded as a terrorist. let me just put it that to you. >> what has that got to do with with colonial people who were regarded as terrorists turn out to then the same as the government? >> jomo kenyatta ? why why is it, >> jomo kenyatta? why why is it, you know, kenya is after kenyatta, he became their the leader of kenya. >> you haven't addressed my

issue, which is if you apologise, which it doesn't achieve anything because the people are sadly gone. it opens the door to reparations because the door to reparations because the be the apology will not be accepted. once say i'm accepted. and once you say i'm sorry, that's when they want you to out and we'll to get your check out and we'll be writing checks till kingdom come. >> i n come. >> i i don't agree that >> i don't i don't agree that you will be writing but you will be writing checks, but the win the thing is, you have to win the thing is, you have to win the hearts and minds. >> you have a legal minefield. >> you have a legal minefield. >> you have to have to win >> you have to you have to win the hearts and of people. the hearts and minds of people. >> legal minefield as well. >> i think dutch, dutch apologising would be absolutely wrong. >> south africa reparations. >> south africa reparations. >> small, irrelevant. flat country reparations. >> apologised >> germany has apologised to me. >> germany has apologised to me. >> respond >> if i could respond to apologise, can't apologise, why can't we? >> if i could respond mistakes? why can't we not germany completely , completely different. >> i would say finish your point. >> fair enough. >> fair enough. >> i was going to say, why can't we own our mistakes? you don't. you don't seem be able to you don't seem to be able to accept that we behaved accept the fact that we behaved in this barbarous, grotesque manner. >> i'm proud of britain. i'm proud of the british empire. i'm proud of the british empire. i'm proud we achieved as a proud of what we achieved as a great on the world stage. great nation on the world stage. we should not be apologising or

paying paying reparations. apologising reparations extortion, paying reparations. apologising reparatiorthat extortion, paying reparations. apologising reparatiorthat they extortion, paying reparations. apologising reparatiorthat they are ortion, paying reparations. apologising reparatiorthat they are extortion an admit that they are extortion , that behaved in a barbarous , that we behaved in a barbarous fashion. no, i'm not going to admit that because it's not true. it's true at all. it admit that because it's not trlit. it's true at all. it admit that because it's not trlit is.'s true at all. it admit that because it's not trlit is not true at all. it admit that because it's not trlit is not trueie at all. it admit that because it's not trlit is not true atat all. it admit that because it's not trlit is not true at all. .l. it is it is not true at all. >> come on. >> come on. >> it's a complete delusional lie that you are deluded. >> can it not be true? why >> how can it not be true? why did the british government pay £20 million if it wasn't true? >> that was fundamental wrong. we should not be doing that. oh, for heaven's sake. we shouldn't be apologising. for heaven's sake. we shouldn't be are.ogising. for heaven's sake. we shouldn't be are youing. for heaven's sake. we shouldn't be are you saying black not white? >> i've got a phd in history. i know a great deal british. >> i'll make his point and i'll come back to you straight. >> so you are accusing your own country of terrorism , massive country of terrorism, massive atrocities here. >> it's absolutely disgraceful . >> it's absolutely disgraceful. >> it's absolutely disgraceful. >> i'm not. >> i'm not. >> why did the majority of british people disagree with you? >>i you? >> i didn't say terrorism. i said they behaved in a barbaric fashion. they did. the people. they did. why did not write check? >> why did we write a check for 20 million if no atrocities were committed? >> well, i think it was an act of weakness, frankly, from from

the foreign office . the foreign office. >> you so blinkered ? why >> why are you so blinkered? why will you not admit the wrong the facts, at least 10,000 kenyans were killed , nina, were killed. were killed, nina, were killed. thousands more were detained , thousands more were detained, tortured, beaten. >> these these crimes are terrible. but these , as requests terrible. but these, as requests for an apology, are always political. by far, the most recent prime minister or president that wants to win brownie points with the local population. this is politics and nothing to do with making up for crimes of the past. >> well, if they were smarter, as i said earlier, if they were smarter to playing the political game, they would get the hearts and kenyan people and minds of the kenyan people on side. on their side. >> they are actually but most most kenyans support the royal family >> often populist leader , >> it's often populist leader, isn't in africa and beyond, isn't it, in africa and beyond, who just a name for who are just making a name for themselves they call for themselves when they call for apologies reparations. apologies and reparations. it is pure and it is pure politics and nothing it is it political. it is political. >> it's outrageous. it's extortionate. okay. and we have nothing to be apologised for. actually, i think you are

deluded and i think you ought to go and look at the history books and get your facts. well, i've read a lot of history. i hope you have. obviously you haven't. and i the british have a and i think the british have a record to be proud of. >> that's a slur. we fought terrorism, absolute slur, fought terrorism. we fought and we >> we won. we fought and we defeated terrorism. we should be proud defeated terrorism. we should be pro do you admit that we >> do you not admit that we behaved a grotesque and behaved in a grotesque and barbaric fashion? we did. there's no point in discussing it who will not it with somebody who will not admit facts . admit the facts. >> well, seem to be living >> well, you seem to be living in a parallel universe. there youthis in a parallel universe. there you this show in a parallel universe. there youthis show is all about >> this show is all about diverse opinion. yours? diverse opinion. what's yours? market your market cbnnews.com. what's your betting that these two will say sorry each in the green sorry to each other in the green room? in a minute. i do hope so. dans room? in a minute. i do hope so. drinks might be involved. listen, charles begins listen, as king charles begins his kenya , should his state visit in kenya, should he be apologising for britain's colonial says it's colonial past? thea says it's history you don't erase or apologise. you learn from it so you don't make the same mistakes again. prince what an appropriate name says no. the king the past while king acknowledged the past while looking the looking to the future. the majority africans brits majority of africans and brits want focus unity

want to focus on unity and peace. don't to look peace. they don't want to look backwards, says. of backwards, richard says. of course should apologise. course we should apologise. we've we we've already admitted we were responsible for in kenya responsible for abuses in kenya and compensation . an and paid compensation. an apology due. well, your apology is also due. well, your verdict is in. 8% say the king should apologise for britain's past. 92% say he should not. coming up, as disney's sensational axes, its ultra pc remake of snow white and has corporations walk away from virtue signalling has the woke tide turned? former corrie star and voice of the people charlie lawson weighs in on that. plus, dominic cummings is outrageous language today at the covid inquiry is swearing in the workplace unprofessional ? well, workplace unprofessional? well, all of that's coming up. but next, as a somerset council ditches the word mother in yet another insult to women, should the uk follow emmanuel macron's lead and stop woke ideology destroying the english language? former education minister andrea jenkyns, a full biological woman, gives her no nonsense

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isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930 . six till 930. >> should the king apologise for britain's crimes of the past? well, who is this mark? mark says. good evening, mark. where do you draw the line? can we claim an apology and compensation from italy and nordic countries for the atrocity and invasion of the country by romans and the vikings ? how about this from vikings? how about this from john? hi, mark. we should not apologise for the british past and the word apology means

absolutely nothing. clive. evening, mark. we should never say sorry for anything. we have the greatest empire in the world and we gave the planet so much, they should be thanking us. keep those coming . it's time those emails coming. it's time now tory warrior and now for tory culture warrior and former minister dame former education minister dame andrea somerset andrea jenkyns and somerset council has provoked outrage after rebranding new and expectant mothers as new and expectant mothers as new and expectant parents in official guidance. that's right. expectant parents in official guidance. that's right . they've guidance. that's right. they've axed the word mother. this guidance aimed at staff who've given birth or are breastfeeding despite only biological women being able to give birth or breastfeed with women and their rights. slowly but surely being purged from british society . now purged from british society. now could be the time to take inspiration from across the channel where french president emmanuel macron, for whom my regard grows by the day, has urged his citizens not to give in to the spirit of the times and reject gender inclusive writing to protect the integrity of the french language . which,

of the french language. which, blimey, why don't we put emmanuel macron in charge of britain? i never thought i'd say that before. andrea jenkyns it's lovely to have you on the show. dame andrea of course, a somerset council ditches the word another insult to word mother. another insult to women . women. >> i think it's yet more bonkers decisions on the lefty woke wagon. mark i mean, i'm a proud mum. i'm a who breastfed not chest fed. and i think what i find so shocking , really, mark, find so shocking, really, mark, is that how the left and the civil servants always base their decisions on opinions rather than biology ? than biology? >> indeed. so that's the problem . and the facts don't care about your feelings, do they? why does this language matter so much ? this language matter so much? why is it important , dame why is it important, dame andrea, that the word mother belongs to women . only belongs to women. only >> well, why should it not? mark you know, i'm a proud mum and it's, um . i just think, you it's, um. i just think, you know, the fact that you know,

you carry a child for nine months, that is. it's such a not only a pleasure, it's. it's an honour to. to give life. and. and we shouldn't dam that down. no no, no. i'm so proud. i'm not a feminist at all. i'm a meritocrat. but the fact is, i'm proud to be a mum and. >> yes, and i think it's sort of, you know, women women deserve that. the plaudits of what they go through, whether whether it's having a baby or all other things that being all the other things that being all the other things that being a woman, you know, entails. and if that identifies as a if somebody that identifies as a woman but is a biological man just says, well, i'm a too. mum it's like, well, no, carry a baby for nine months, go through the have the menopause, have the hot flushes, yourself flushes, and then call yourself a woman . a woman. >> absolutely. yeah. i mean , i >> absolutely. yeah. i mean, i mean, i've got no problem if you know, people want to call themselves a trans man . trans themselves a trans man. trans woman. i think whatever makes people happy. life is short. but. but there's only actually one mother, and that's, you know, a female , uh, who who know, a female, uh, who who gives birth or to me , also

gives birth or to me, also a female who adopts as well is a mother as well. but but what i want to see really is i don't understand why the left is so ashamed of motherhood or why they're not proud, you know, to be women . and i think it's about be women. and i think it's about time the government i know rishi and a few others have been taking a stand but really take a stand for common sense. and what macron has done is fantastic. >> well, it is . and listen, this >> well, it is. and listen, this guy, he grows in my estimation, every day, few weeks ago, he every day, a few weeks ago, he said in an interview regarding mass migration , france cannot mass migration, france cannot accept the misery of the world. this guy is starting to talk some common sense . some common sense. >> oh, it's starting to think that it's probably he is needing to change his stance if he wants more votes. mark probably right. >> listen, dame andrea, we've seen biological men pass dissipating in women's sport. double rapists accommodated in female prison. has this gender madness reached the point of no return? will we ever get back to normal where women are women and

men are men or or is that moment gone?i men are men or or is that moment gone? i think we will return to that. >> but this has been a campaign for over a decade. i think i said on your show last week like how even when i was a candidate back in 2013, the lobbyist on the on the whole trans agenda, i hope that common sense prevails because they haven't got the british public behind them at large. and i think it's only a matter of time that and let's face it , the matter of time that and let's face it, the british public have got more important things to think about. you know, paying their way in life . we're seeing their way in life. we're seeing mortgage rates, interest rates go up. you know, there's far more important things than this to focus on. >> you might be a dame, but you also live in the real world, which is why your constituents love you. i have got a response from somerset council right of reply. it's called an roi in the industry. somerset council is an inclusive organisation. the move to gender neutral language in our policies highlights our commitment to inclusivity . it

commitment to inclusivity. it does not exclude women, it simply ensures that no staff for whom this and other policies may be applicable are excluded . so be applicable are excluded. so look, it is all about opinions, isn't it? let me know your thoughts. margaret gbnews.com. thoughts. margaret gb news.com. now thoughts. margaret gbnews.com. now the covid inquiry yesterday heard how boris johnson was originally reluctant to shut down britain's economy, reportedly colleagues reportedly telling colleagues just days before sending the country lockdown. country into lockdown. we're killing patient to tackle killing the patient to tackle the tumour large people taken to mean large numbers of people who will die . why? why are we will die. why? why are we destroying the economy for people who will die anyway soon? andrea, should boris have followed his own instincts and why didn't he ? why didn't he? >> i mean, look. locked down in covid was a challenging time for the whole country, wasn't it, mark? for everybody in the country . i mean, you know, my country. i mean, you know, my little boy didn't see his own dad for four months. he was in his constituency. and it was just peppa pig, his constituency. and it was just peppa pig , clifford and i, just peppa pig, clifford and i, for his birthday together . so no

for his birthday together. so no , when boris, you know, he is , , when boris, you know, he is, as you know, very , um, um, as you know, very, um, um, believes in freedom of the individual. so no, he would have really wrestled with that decision because instinctively it locked down went against his core beliefs. but then you've think for any prime minister or leader of a country during that time, it was a tough decision. when you get in scientist coming out with all these hundreds of thousands of people, you know , thousands of people, you know, who meant to die through this, um, then it's, it's, it's going to be difficult for any leader. but what i want to see is i think we need to wait for all the evidence before we come to conclusions . and let's not conclusions. and let's not forget, mark, you know, there's many of these participants who are defending their own record, their own roles, and some, as we've seen today, are also be settling grievances as well . settling grievances as well. >> they most certainly are. listen to his reputation has received a pummelling today, not least from his former chief adviser, dominic cummings ,

adviser, dominic cummings, describing him as unfit to be prime minister. a trolley completely changing direction. all the time. do you think that spells the end of boris johnson's frontline political career ? is it now? game over ? career? is it now? game over? >> no, i don't think it is, actually, mark, i mean, even in my constituency , i've been my constituency, i've been having surgeries today and i was sort of selling poppies earlier. and i had people coming up to me still praising boris. so he's got that magic touch and, um, and he speak as he finds. and some people like him, some don't. but, you know , he is who don't. but, you know, he is who he is. >> ma what was your reaction when you heard the news, the bombshell news that boris johnson is to become a presenter on gb news? >> i think it's amazing. on gb news? >> i think it's amazing . and >> i think it's amazing. and it's and it's great testament to gb news mark and i know that many of my constituent is already tune in whenever i come on the show. they always say, oh, i saw you on gb news and i think people will be tuning in

to see boris. i mean, he's unique and i'm sure it'll be fascinating viewing. i mean, to actually prime minister actually have a prime minister on share his views, on the show to share his views, give insights of his time in government, it'll pull the viewing figures in. but what i think interesting think will be interesting actually, i think actually, mark, is i think people will watch this and think , what the heck have conservative mps in conservative mps been doing in ousting yeah so you do ousting him? yeah so you do wonder, don't you? >> certainly they might ask that in a year's time. andrea in a year's time. dame andrea i hope catch up in hope we're able to catch up in a week's time. best wishes to clifford and the family coming up, it's shoplifting, up, whether it's shoplifting, burglary turning burglary or car theft or turning a to extremism on our a blind eye to extremism on our streets, is british policing no longer fit purpose? my panel longer fit for purpose? my panel of returned to of top pundits returned to debate next, debate that shortly. but next, as sensationally axes the as disney sensationally axes the ultra pc remake of snow white and has corporations walk away from virtue signalling, has the woke tide turned and worse. celtic football club right to ban their fans for showing palestine flags at home marches. former corrie star and voice of the people charlie lawson gives his unfiltered opinion

n ext next more on the king in kenya with legendary royal biographer tom bower, live in the studio in the next hour. but it's time now for tv soap legend charlie lawson . tv soap legend charlie lawson. and right on, execs at disney have finally fallen on their sword over their hugely controversial woke remake of kids classic snow white with a £300 million film delayed by a year after its lead actress sparked fury with a series of pubuc sparked fury with a series of public clangers. rachel zegler went viral earlier this year after slamming prince charming as a weird stalker and boasting how her portrayal of snow white would feature a fierce indian woman. the film was also set to scrap the seven dwarves in favour of more diverse characters . disney said the characters. disney said the delay was down to the hollywood

writers strike. i'm sure that's true, but charlie lawson has the woke tide turned . woke tide turned. >> well, good evening, mark. >> well, good evening, mark. >> it's to be well hoped so, isn't it? i mean, you know, every body could see that this charming fine actress was was just digging a big hole. and quite frankly , i think disney quite frankly, i think disney have been wised up because they've listened to the response. and walt wouldn't have been happy in the first place. i mean, this thing was written and shot and whatever, you know, in the 30s or 40s, i can't remember exactly when. i'm sure somebody will correct me, but it's snow white and the seven. that's the song. that's that's the story. and that's that's the way it should stay . it's a fairy tale should stay. it's a fairy tale and but it's another one of these wanky nonsense claptrap, bits of rubbish that the woke society and hollywood have come along and decided jump on the

bandwagon. it's as simple as that. and i'm i'm delighted that they've postponed it. and it wouldn't surprise me if they drop it or certainly reshoot bits of it. >> well, definitely. i mean, charlie, you couldn't make this up . they got rid of the seven up. they got rid of the seven dwarves because they weren't diverse. but that meant that you put these dwarves out of work . put these dwarves out of work. okay, surely putting dwarves in a film is good for diversity, not bad . not bad. >> yes. and. and and i remember many years ago , mark, in having many years ago, mark, in having a long conversation with seven dwarves down at the theatre royalin dwarves down at the theatre royal in plymouth, we were doing shakespeare a play, and they were doing the part rehearsing the panto and they were perfectly capable of looking after themselves and were certainly not offended by being called dwarves . and i think called dwarves. and i think somebody came up with a ridiculous phrase that we couldn't call them dwarves and snow white, but they had to be people who were challenged with their height, who worked

underground as miners in the name of jesus. what a ludicrous, complete >> well, it's funny. you should use the b word, charlie, because dominic cummings, boris johnson's former top adviser , johnson's former top adviser, came under fire in the covid inquiry today for using a lot of expletives in the workplace , expletives in the workplace, including the c word . is it ever including the c word. is it ever acceptable to turn the air blue at work or is it unprofessional? what do you think about swearing on the job? >> well, it's part and parcel of where i come from in northern ireland. i have to say, if you got off a george best city airport and got into the taxi, the first thing you would hear was, you know, a swear word about how are you? but in my line of work, i'll tell you an amusing story about this world of woke. it's we swear in our business, it's as simple as that. and i think as billy connolly said, if you can do it well, it's fine. i would certainly be would not use that that c word and other words in

front of young women. i just wouldn't do it. there are plenty of other swear words that are just as effective. but we must remember two things as language is as old as man himself. and you think you'll find chaucer was pretty fresh with his words. but anyway, in 2019, this is a ridiculous. it is 2019. i'm doing the world premiere on stage of inspector rebus, long shadows , and during rehearsals shadows, and during rehearsals me . specially it was 108 pages me. specially it was 108 pages and i was in 108 of them. and and i was in 108 of them. and and you know, three weeks in you're trying to get off the book and all the rest of it. and if i dry i won't do it now. mark don't worry, sweetheart. but i would i would slow my book down and go, you stupid delete . and and go, you stupid delete. and northern irish deleted and low blow me. but the director stopped the rehearsals and said tell it this is a safe space. we

can't use language like that. it's a safe space and i said, are you kidding? you know, it's just. but that was just how how mad we were getting . mad we were getting. >> well, that's why we love you, charlie, because whenever you're on, it's an unsafe space. >> and i think the world should be less safe than it currently is. you remain a hero. the voice of common sense, the brilliant charlie return, charlie lawson, will return, no doubt, shortly. thank you, doubt, very shortly. thank you, charlie. a night. you charlie. have a great night. you were coming tv were brilliant. coming up, tv firebrand woodburn takes on firebrand kim woodburn takes on just snooker, just stop oils, snooker, disruptor . eddie whittingham as disruptor. eddie whittingham as i if young people are eco i ask if young people are eco hypocrites , that's going to be hypocrites, that's going to be incredible. you won't want to miss it, but first, whether it's shoplifting, burglary car shoplifting, burglary or car crime blind eye to crime or turning a blind eye to extremism, here's british policing no longer fit for purpose. that's next. alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for news. office for gb news. >> this time tomorrow, storm kieran will be arriving. there are warnings in place for are many warnings in place for damaging gusts of wind, particularly on thursday across parts and heavy parts of the south and heavy rain. there's warnings tonight from low pressure

from this area of low pressure bringing but here bringing more rain. but here comes the storm, i say, comes the storm, as i say, really arriving during wednesday night lingering night and then lingering throughout thursday with amber warnings across parts of the south. we have met office yellow warnings in place for tonight and across parts of and tomorrow across parts of northern the northern ireland and the south—east for the heavy rain that moves in. the rain also spreading into southern spreading its way into southern scotland lots scotland through the night. lots of showery rain coming into wales southern england , too, wales and southern england, too, and breezy night, mild and quite a breezy night, mild night chilly night here, but another chilly one in northern scotland where most of the night will be dry. but to be a very wet but it's going to be a very wet a very different day tomorrow for spreads across for the rain spreads in across scotland. we have got scotland. as i said, we have got warnings in place for the night. and first in the morning and first thing in the morning for ireland and across for northern ireland and across the south—east lot the south—east will be a lot of spray surface the spray and surface water on the roads for the morning rush hour. pretty here, too. pretty blustery here, too. a gusty, blustery day a gusty, blustery day with a mixture of sunshine and showers for staying soggy across for most staying soggy across northern scotland. temperatures at into the teens. at best getting into the teens. but here storm kieran but here comes storm kieran spreading up from the south and then spiral going in across the country during wednesday night

and lasting for most of thursday . the ground so saturated, . with the ground so saturated, we likely to see further we are likely to see further flooding strongest flooding issues. the strongest winds of south winds across parts of south wales and southern england. please office please check the met office website details all the

said britain be apologising for its colonial past. >> king charles is in kenya. absolutely not, says alan in essex. there are wrongs done by all countries in the past. we should move on. look, this show is all about opinion and it's all about feedback. get them to me right now. go straight to my laptop, mark at gbnews.com a really, really busy hour to come. it is 10:00. i'm mark dolan and this is gb news. tonight, britain's cops under the microscope. whether it's shoplifting, burglary or car theft or turning a blind eye to extremism on our streets , is extremism on our streets, is

british policing no longer fit for purpose? that's the big debate next with tonight's top panel debate next with tonight's top panel. and they don't agree. knives will be drawn. esther mcvey, derek lord and rebecca reid . also tonight, drama in reid. also tonight, drama in africa as king charles visits kenya amid protests over the legacy of britain's colonial rule. so should the king apologise for britain's behaviour in the past? formidable journalist tom bower weighs in on that one. and dominic cummings is scathing claims from the covid inquiry today that boris johnson chronically mishandle the pandemic. did he or was he right all along? also on the way, should the home nations boycott the 2034 world cup, which will controversially be held in saudi arabia ? human rights charities arabia? human rights charities are fuming , but my panel give are fuming, but my panel give their reaction shortly and as a new poll reveals that oaps take more everyday action to tackle climate change than young people are . the greta thunberg brigade

are. the greta thunberg brigade all talk and no action tv firebrand kim woodburn takes on just stop. oil spokesman eddie whittingham shortly . tomorrow's whittingham shortly. tomorrow's newspaper front page is hot off the press. they're on their way. a busy hour to come. sparks will fly, let me tell you that . just fly, let me tell you that. just stop. oil guy is the numpty that went and blew up a massive cannon of orange dust at the snooken cannon of orange dust at the snooker. he's here in a few minutes. it's going to be a busy houn minutes. it's going to be a busy hour. first, the news and tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the gb news room. boris johnson's former chief adviser has told the covid inquiry he warned of the nhs imploding like a zombie apocalypse film. dominic cummings says he called for daily crisis meetings , for daily crisis meetings, fearing the pandemic was coming much faster than expected. he also said the government had no plan to help vulnerable people dunng plan to help vulnerable people during lockdown and the cabinet

office was trying to block the creation of a shielding plan . creation of a shielding plan. israel's military says it was targeting a very senior hamas commander in an airstrike on the jabalia refugee camp . israeli jabalia refugee camp. israeli defence forces says it destroyed entrances to terror tunnels, weapons and military equipment. the airstrike killed 50 palestinians and left 150 injured as officials are now saying. the opening of gaza's rafah border crossing tomorrow will allow for 81 severely wounded palestinians to be treated in egypt . meanwhile treated in egypt. meanwhile a group of pro—palestinian activist staged a sit in at liverpool street station earlier this evening in protest at the israel hamas conflict. more than 500 people joined the protest to demand an immediate ceasefire to israel's attacks on gaza and an end to arms exports to israel . end to arms exports to israel. xl bully dogs will be banned by the end of the year from the

31st of december. it will be illegal to breed, sell, rehome or abandon an xl bully dog. existing owners will be required to follow a strict set of rules, such as ensuring the dog is muzzled and on a lead . and muzzled and on a lead. and finally, king charles has delivered a speech at the state house in nairobi, where he quoted from the late queen, his mother's diary in that queen elizabeth ii said she didn't want to miss a moment of kenya's extraordinary landscape. king charles also thanked the people of kenya for their support for the late queen in 1952, when she became monarch. his majesty also acknowledged the more difficult times of britain and kenya's shared history, finishing with a touching toast . touching toast. >> it is upon the enduring connection between our people that our partnership rests . it that our partnership rests. it is on their enterprise imagination and fortitude that our common hopes depend . our common hopes depend.

together, we are stronger together . for our future is together, we are stronger together. for our future is more secure. and together . for as secure. and together. for as your national anthem says, may we dwell in unity , peace and we dwell in unity, peace and liberty . liberty. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaken digital radio, and on your smart speaker. by simply saying play gb news now it's back . gb news now it's back. >> lovely to have tatiana with us.she >> lovely to have tatiana with us. she used to be my producer. now she's a huge star on camera. what a brilliant broadcaster. tatiana returns to in an hour's time. tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. and we kick off with the very first look at tomorrow's papers. i think i might have said a rude word there, millie dominic cummings all again . quick off. all over again. quick cook off. okay blimey, don't say it twice. whatever do . metro rail whatever you do. metro rail ticket queue u—turn. many people will be happy about this.

hundreds of railway ticket offices facing the axe are to stay open after a shock government change of heart. the i newspaper now also express forgive me okay the express as follows . we're just going to follows. we're just going to fire it up now . we're just fire it up now. we're just loading it onto the system . loading it onto the system. king's great sorrow over wrongdoings of the past. dozens die in israeli strike on refugee camp, and boris accused ex aide of disgusting behaviour instead of disgusting behaviour instead of solving crisis revealed orgy of solving crisis revealed orgy of narcissism at the heart of covid failings is chaos at the heart of government during the covid pandemic was described by bofis covid pandemic was described by boris johnson as an orgy of narcissism, a war of words fought by the then pm and top aide dominic cummings was exposed in whatsapp messages at the covid inquiry. sorry. exposed in whatsapp messages at the covid inquiry . sorry. well, the covid inquiry. sorry. well, i agree with that. i think that those sage professor byers, the scientists thought they were rock stars and were having their little 15 minutes of fame, but that's opinion, of that's just my opinion, of course. let's have a look now at the newspaper uk's old people

the i newspaper uk's old people should accept their fate from covid. boris johnson's private stance revealed also some good news no more interest rate rises in 2023. experts predict, and dozens die in airstrike on gaza refugee camp . okay, lots more to refugee camp. okay, lots more to come. really busy hour. boris johnson's biographer live in the studio. the brilliant tom bower shortly. but my panel are reacting to the big stories of the day. former cabinet minister and gb news presenter esther mcvey, mp, banker and visiting professor derek lord and author and journalist rebecca reid, now two england's largest police two of england's largest police forces are tonight facing uncomfortable questions , with uncomfortable questions, with greater manchester police launching an investigation after one of their officers was caught tearing down posters of israeli hostages just a day after two met police officers were filmed removing posters of israeli children kidnapped by hamas terrorists in north london, police folks taking down the posters of kidnapped kids . in

posters of kidnapped kids. in response, the met said, we have no wish to limit the rights of anyone to protest or to raise awareness of the plight of those kidnapped and the terrible impact on their families. but we do have responsibility to take do have a responsibility to take reasonable issues reasonable steps to stop issues escalating and to avoid any further increase in community tension on on this occasion that is what officers were trying to do . but it's not just community do. but it's not just community tensions that the police are failing to tackle with only 6.5% of robberies leading to a charge and 75% of car thefts not investigated. and 71% of serious retail crimes completely ignored. police across the country seem to be losing control of an increasingly lawless britain. so tonight , control of an increasingly lawless britain. so tonight, i'm asking whether it's shoplifting robberies , car thefts or turning robberies, car thefts or turning a blind eye to extremism on our streets. is british policing? no longer fit for purpose? esther mcvey well, i do defend the police and i will carry on doing that. >> but i will say there is a

huge divide now between the rank and file and the senior police officer. the rank and file will be like you and i, concerned about what's going on. i'm afraid the senior police officers have gone a bit too political and gone too woke, and they're more concerned about policing thoughts policing people's thoughts and tweets are getting on tweets than they are getting on to criminal behaviour. to the criminal behaviour. but what is a definite what i have seen is a definite coward of police. coward wing of the police. there's so worried about making a bad decision wrong a bad decision or a wrong decision , a politically decision, a politically incorrect decision that making no decisions at all. and when i looked at what was happening with the protests at the weekend where they had an intelligence centre could feed centre where they could feed back information , decide if they back information, decide if they were to anybody and were going to arrest anybody and might them might have to arrest them aftennards i thought, mistake, aftennards. i thought, mistake, you're too slow . it needs to be you're too slow. it needs to be done. it needs to be stopped and people need see what the people need to see what the police doing. so i will police are doing. so i will always the police, but always support the police, but i'm the senior i'm afraid it's the senior officers letting the rank and file down who i'm afraid are coward . coward. >> well, i completely agree. and i think it's the culture of

policing rather than the cops in evolved. rebecca this is a huge problem, isn't it? i mean, essentially burglar he now has been six, 6.5% been decriminalised six, 6.5% conviction rate for that which means that if you burgle a house, you're more likely house, you're more than likely going with it. car going to get away with it. car crime not investigated. crime is not investigated. shoplifting the roof. shoplifting through the roof. meanwhile people calling for acts of terror and a holy war on the streets of london and manchester. for what do we have the police for? why do we pay our taxes? >> well, my major issue in terms of things that aren't properly followed is domestic violence followed up is domestic violence and ongoing and rape, which is an ongoing issue. sure. >> similar statistics, >> and has similar statistics, similar action and similar paucity of action and basically a complete failure that that's been the case for a long time. >> increasingly more of an issue over the last ten years as reporting rates have gone up and conviction rates haven't much. yeah i think people on both sides the political spectrum sides of the political spectrum agree that isn't agree that policing isn't working. opposite working. i take the opposite view i don't think view of esther. i don't think that it's about trying be too that it's about trying to be too woke being scared about being woke or being scared about being too tough. i think it's that policing fundamentally doesn't work that we

work in the way that we currently the currently have. it at the moment. police expected moment. the police are expected to workers, mental to be social workers, mental health workers, health support workers, addiction are addiction specialists. they are addiction specialists. they are a poorly paid job job a fairly poorly paid job job which attracts people of a fairly low educational level and then to be able to then expects them to be able to do what a gp, an ambulance worker are. you calling a police officer snickers ? i'm not officer a snickers? i'm not saying that's sick, but i'm saying that's sick, but i'm saying not a job that saying that it's not a job that recruits minds recruits the greatest minds in the and expects them the world and then expects them to to do things that no to be able to do things that no human would be able to do. so i believe it's quite insulting. i believe it's quite insulting. i believe me saying average believe in me saying the average educational average educational level, the average the level the average educational level for a police officer is not that of somebody is of somebody who is a psychiatrist. and they're expected to do, expected to be able to do, i think, officers are some think, police officers are some of cleverest in our of the cleverest people in our society. you think society. why do you think that? >> they to work out >> because they have to work out where criminals are bad job. where the criminals are bad job. >> they're not doing that i've never met. literally not never met. they're literally not policing some policing that. i've met some very policemen, but well, very stupid policemen, but well, if just focus fact if we just focus on the fact that technically the educational level police is level to enter the police is lower than it is be, for lower than it is to be, for instance, a doctor and you're expected be able to do what a expected to be able to do what a gp would do, which find

gp would do, which is find people addiction issues people who have addiction issues and work way up and then help work your way up that there. that is not there. >> ever met a thick cop? >> well, i haven't. >> well, i haven't. >> are they a bunch of dunces like rebecca says? >> is that what i said, mark? and is that really is that really point that i'm making really the point that i'm making here? it is really the point that i'm making hnservice, it is really the point that i'm making hnservice, that it is really the point that i'm making hnservice, that it's it is really the point that i'm making hnservice, that it's being it is a service, that it's being expected to do things it is expected to do things that it is not providing the education and training able do? training to be able to do? >> was your view >> no, i think it was your view of actually, that i'm of them actually, that i'm disparaging. i'm disparaging sorry to clarify. disparaging. i'm disparaging sor|theyclarify. disparaging. i'm disparaging sor|theyclarifja wildly >> they have a wildly disproportionate >> they have a wildly dispropor abusers. they are domestic abusers. they are underpaid maybe i it underpaid as well. maybe i it is an sexist an institutionally sexist and racist is what an institutionally sexist and ra report is what an institutionally sexist and ra report found. is what a report found. >> been. >> it has been. >> it has been. i >> it has been. i mean, >> it has been. i mean, look, look at macpherson. >> so what will that is >> so what i will say is that is often is apples often yeah, there is bad apples as is any profession, as there is in any profession, more in than anywhere more in police than anywhere else. absolutely condemn the whole like else. absolutely condemn the wholrebecca, like else. absolutely condemn the wholrebecca, doing like else. absolutely condemn the wholrebecca, doing that like else. absolutely condemn the wholrebecca, doing that thate you, rebecca, doing that that actually our police actually brings our police into question. shouldn't question. that shouldn't be. >> be brought into. >> they should be brought into. >> they should be brought into. >> i think i think derek >> so like i think i think derek have they the brainpower >> so like i think i think derek hdon'tley the brainpower >> so like i think i think derek hdon'tley they'veainpower >> so like i think i think derek hdon'tley they've got ower >> so like i think i think derek hdon'tley they've got ther policies. >> derek what i think is that policing only work through policing can only work through consent and, and consent only

comes about if you have confidence in the police. and the most frightening statistic of all is that 41% of people that have actually experienced crime do not go and report it to the police because they are of the police because they are of the view that the police will not deal with their to support. >> rebecca. much of that in regards to rape and sexual assault and domestic violence, which is very rarely but the number of police officers who have those convictions against them themselves or accusations themselves wildly disproportionate. >> there is more mental health issues in the police than there issues in the police than there is the is on average employee. the police treated badly. they police are treated badly. they are well funded. they're not are not well funded. they're not well but they also well treated. but they also a lot a lot of fairly bad people are attracted to it as a career. >> the other the other important thing is, that retention is a thing is, is that retention is a huge problem. right. the last huge problem. right. in the last yean huge problem. right. in the last year, we've lost nearly 5000 people the hell were people from what the hell were they doing? >> taking posters of >> taking down posters of kidnapped ? kidnapped israeli children? >> well, i'm not particularly interested in that. i am. >> well, i'm not particularly inteno, ed in that. i am. >> well, i'm not particularly inteno, butn that. i am. >> well, i'm not particularly inteno, but what.. i am.

>> well, i'm not particularly inte no, but what were n. >> well, i'm not particularly inte no, but what were they >> no, but what were they thinking? those are thinking? because those are those probably . lee, those are fairly probably. lee, do that the people do you think that the people taking down that poster understand nuances of middle understand the nuances of middle and because i don't and politics? because i don't i read poster. read every poster. >> take down would you >> would you take down would you take down a poster kidnapped child? >> of course i wouldn't. but those done those people cops done it because taking because why are they taking sides, think that those sides, do you think that those people been any kind people have been given any kind of training about what the situation is? >> don't think need >> i don't think you need training you don't training to know that you don't take of take down a poster of a kidnapped child. >> say so. >> if i may say so. >> if i may say so. >> one at a time. >> one at a time. >> it was one of them. i think it was a chemist. and if they wanted to take down posters, the people the chemists, wanted to take down posters, the peo police the chemists, wanted to take down posters, the peo police should the chemists, wanted to take down posters, the peo police should note chemists, wanted to take down posters, the peo police should note che|been the police should not have been doing the doing it. like i said, the senior gave their rank senior officers gave their rank and a bad direction. and file a bad direction. we need to police without need police to police without fear or favour. they should be more afraid of anything. >> i think so. now, i don't think that rebecca is really calling thickos, but calling our cops thickos, but she's saying that they're she's just saying that they're underpaid do underpaid and being asked to do too , which i think is too much, which i think is a fair what is your view? fair point. what is your view? mark at news my mark at gb news dot com. my concern culture of concern is the culture of policing. we've got cops watching women. do watching men and women. they do a job. but the issue

a brilliant job. but the issue is culture and the policies is the culture and the policies and what it is they're able and not able to do in order to stop crime. remember, stop crime, that chestnut now coming up , that old chestnut now coming up, it's that saudi it's been confirmed that saudi arabia will host the world cup in 2034. so should the home nafions in 2034. so should the home nations boycott the tournament when it rolls around, given human rights abuses in saudi arabia? my brilliant panel returned to debate that shortly. they don't agree, which is what this about . they don't agree, which is what this about. and this show is all about. and next, as a bombshell new poll reveals people are far reveals older people are far more likely to recycle than the gen 2 brigade are. the younger generation massive eco hypocrites? kim woodburn from how clean is your house takes on? just stop oil troublemaker eddie whittingham, who is eddie whittingham is the witless nutjob that exploded a cannon of orange dust at the snooker. he's next. so lots to get through. i'll see you .

every weekend at 3 pm. on gb news, the people's channel. >> britain's news channel . >> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> listen. a big reaction to our debate about british policing. they've effectively decriminalised burglaries, sexual assaults and car crime, and they're turning a blind eye, in my view, to extreme ism on the streets. the police in manchester and london taking down posters of kidnapped israeli children. why are they getting involved in that? well, john says what the police are doing, knowingly or not, is giving impression that

giving the impression that they're on the side of hamas in they're on the side of hamas in the conflict. well, that's a terrible of affairs, isn't the conflict. well, that's a teriand of affairs, isn't the conflict. well, that's a teriand richard, affairs, isn't the conflict. well, that's a teriand richard, brilliantsn't the conflict. well, that's a teriand richard, brilliant email it? and richard, brilliant email from richard who says , mark, i'm from richard who says, mark, i'm an ex cop. ten years military police and 20 years civil police . yes, i did two detective courses. i could run rings around coroners and cps lawyers . around coroners and cps lawyers. rebecca does not have a clue how much legislation a cop has to study. very insulting . well, study. very insulting. well, richard, thank you for your email and also, can i thank you for your three decades of service to this country. now, one of britain's best journalists, tom bower . still to journalists, tom bower. still to come, he is boris johnson's bio grapher and he's a royal biographer as well. so we'll talk about the covid inquiry. dominic and dominic cummings and king charles in kenya. but first, are the woke greta thunberg brigade all talk and no action when it comes to their green credentials? a new yougov poll certainly suggests so with 90. that's right. 90. almost of all oaps saying they recycle as much

as possible compared to a measly 52% of 18 to 24 year olds , 52% of 18 to 24 year olds, despite the survey showing they profess to be the most worried about climate change, pensioners were also more likely to save water, turn off the lights, buy energy efficient appliances and turn down the heating compared to their young whipper snappers youngsters. meanwhile were more likely to have given up meat so gen 2 have been banging on about the climate for yonks now and blaming older generations for a lack of action on saving the planet. but their boomer counterparts are now demanding apologies after the stark survey laid bare their apparent hypocnsy laid bare their apparent hypocrisy when it comes to green matters . how dare you going matters. how dare you going loggerheads on this? i'm delighted to welcome the brilliant tv personality, a very good friend of mine, kim woodburn, and also fascinating young man, gen 2, challenger, just stop oil protester eddie whittingham, great to have both of you with me. eddie, first of all, can i ask how old you are?

do you mind if i ask you your age? i'm 26 and thank you for having me. there you go. well, look, that's a lovely young age you got the rest of your life ahead of you. what is your reaction to these statistics that suggest that young people don't about the environment don't care about the environment as they say do ? as much as they say they do? >> well , just before i'd say >> well, just before i'd say that, i do just want to say hello to kim. i used to watch how clean is your house when i was years old with my mum. >> so it's wonderful to meet you, albeit digitally. as to the report . look, this you, albeit digitally. as to the report. look, this isn't about what individual oils do, right? okay. yes, we should all play our part. but unless the government does the right thing, unless companies unless fossil fuel companies stop fossil fuels out of stop digging fossil fuels out of the ground, the banks the ground, unless the banks stop financing unless the stop financing them, unless the media does its job and hold the government account, it government to account, it nothing we individual nothing that we do is individual is create the change is going to create the change that we need to see. kim woodburn do you think young people are eco hypocrites ? people are eco hypocrites? >> oh, absolutely . absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> by love. >> by love. >> they don't live how they

speak, my darling , at all, do speak, my darling, at all, do they? i've got a corner house here and i'm sick to death of these young people walking past my house, throwing their cans and kit—kat wrappers in my garden. >> i'm sorry. you're undisciplined . i wish you were undisciplined. i wish you were born when i was born , and you'd born when i was born, and you'd be far more disciplined. you're not. you're spoilt, gas guzzling youngsters , and you need to stop youngsters, and you need to stop all the nonsense talk that you do. >> we cannot do without oil. >> we cannot do without oil. >> it is impossible to run this country without oil. >> it was once said oil is the lifeblood of the modern world. >> the combustion engine is the heart. >> and that is exactly what it is. >> do you realise if we banned oil, you couldn't have electric cars ? cars? >> they used oil for their emissions, so you couldn't have electric cars. >> my lovely . you also couldn't >> my lovely. you also couldn't have our cars . you couldn't have have our cars. you couldn't have trains, my lovely . you wouldn't trains, my lovely. you wouldn't have plastic. >> you wouldn't have plastic. the generators that charge up

electric cars come from fossil fuels. the list is endless. kim woodburn and that's the problem. eddie young people, they don't do the math when it comes to climate change. if we were to get rid of oil, the economy would shut down within minutes . would shut down within minutes. >> we couldn't cope without oil . >> we couldn't cope without oil. i'd like to ask this young man, when you go on the rampage about the oil and i'm not i know you flatter me. said you're glad to meet me. it's not going get meet me. it's not going to get you anywhere. thank you. but you anywhere. but thank you. but no, no, no. don't crawl now. what? drive around what? what do you drive around in? do you have car ? do you in? do you have a car? do you drive car ? i see. do you have drive a car? i see. do you have a motorbike ? no. do you have a motorbike? no. do you have a motorbike ? why are you answering motorbike? why are you answering ? so how do you. can you hear me right ? right? >> how do you . how do you get >> how do you. how do you get around? eddie i walk mostly. >> there was a rental bike scheme that used to exist in exeter that doesn't exist anymore. when i travel home, i travel by train. but none of this is really the main issue here.

>> okay , as i say, let kim make >> okay, as i say, let kim make her point . her point. >> the train powered by fossil fuels. john eddie , will, eddie. fuels. john eddie, will, eddie. >> i'm sorry . fuels. john eddie, will, eddie. >> i'm sorry. i'm not trying to. i'm not. i'm just wanting you young people . bless you. have young people. bless you. have your life , but don't talk tripe . your life, but don't talk tripe. and if you're going to go and you're going to not like something that's entirely up to you. i don't like a lot of things. but before you demonstrate , great. disrupt demonstrate, great. disrupt everybody . get your facts right. everybody. get your facts right. you travel by train, which is heart oil . eddie, can you please heart oil. eddie, can you please me? eddie? okay >> the fact i'm trying to answer i >>i >> i have tried to answer you. >> i have tried to answer you. >> kim. and it is wonderful to meet you. believe it or not. but yeah, the fact of the matter is, you've asked me about facts. >> fact is that if we carry >> the fact is that if we carry on burning fossil fuels , on burning fossil fuels, billions of will be billions of people will be displaced from where live. displaced from where they live. >> hundreds of millions of people could lose lives .

people could lose their lives. in timeframe , eddie? in in what timeframe, eddie? in what timeframe are hundreds of millions of people going to lose their lives already? >> if you can't do without oil, you get the train . you have to you get the train. you have to use oil. so you benefit from getting on a train that uses oil, yet you're against oil. you didn't have the train you'd have a hell of a walk, my love. >> eddie, i'm. >> eddie, i'm. >> i'm having i'm having difficulty getting a word in at the moment. >> no, exactly. eddie, i'm going to give you more air time. eddie i do want to from you. i do want to hear from you. i mean, listen, i've got no doubt that your for the that you do your bit for the environment represent. just environment you represent. just stop enough. what stop oil. fair enough. but what about of young about some of your young mates who go to music festivals and leave amazing amount leave an amazing amount of litter leave, litter behind when they leave, often tent , which is often leaving the tent, which is plastic straight plastic waste, goes straight into what about all into landfill? what about all the young people out and the young people that go out and have takeaways and they have coffee in one of those mugs that you can't recycle? that's you can't recycle? well, that's the problem young the problem with young people, isn't ? look, you've invited isn't it? look, you've invited me on this show to talk about my

perspective as a spokesperson for just stop oil right. perspective as a spokesperson for just stop oil right . okay. for just stop oil right. okay. and so the truth. the truth is , and so the truth. the truth is, as i've tried to say, if we carry on licencing new fossil fuel projects in 2023, hundreds of millions of people could lose their lives. okay and this is not about individuals. this is not about individuals. this is not about individuals. this is not about what individuals do , not about what individuals do, as i've tried to say at the beginning. yes need to do beginning. yes we all need to do our but if that's all that our part, but if that's all that we do and if we don't hold the government to account, we government to account, if we don't fossil fuel don't hold the fossil fuel companies you know, companies to account, you know, the banks, media, know, the banks, the media, you know, all these, systemic all of these, you know, systemic forces which creating the forces which are creating the crisis in first place. crisis in the first place. eddie, eddie , i hear you. but eddie, eddie, i hear you. but you're not responding my you're not responding to my point about music festivals and young people who live on takeaways . takeaways. >> and, you know, let's be hold fire, hold fire came on, come back to you. >> but i do want to hear from eddie. eddie, you're absolutely right. been on right. you've been booked on the show and show to share your view, and i really want to hear it. >> right. >> all right. >> all right. >> yeah. my view is that people need to be holding the government need to be holding the govothennise, hundreds >> othennise, hundreds of millions will lose millions of people will lose their millions of people will lose the why answer my >> why can't you answer my question? eddie eddie, listen,

you to why you know, i want to know why young festivals and young people go to festivals and make they live on make a mess. why they live on takeaways. why they buy a new mobile phone every two years, why turn up the heating why they turn up the heating central heating that mum and dad pay central heating that mum and dad pay for when they're at home. and why this latest poll shoes shows that they do much less recycling their older recycling than their older counterparts. i'm sick of heanng counterparts. i'm sick of hearing old people, eddie blamed for everything . in fact, it's for everything. in fact, it's young people that are wrecking the environment. the statistics prove it . prove it. >> well, you're sort of you're you're assuming a lot of things about what i believe which just aren't true . aren't true. >> i can't know what you believe until the question. until you answer the question. well that's what that's what i'm trying to say . okay. no, you trying to say. okay. no, you know, you're not trying. >> we've asked you. we sat still. said a word . still. you've not said a word. why a train when you why are you on a train when you use the oil? no oil. no oil train. you go and it's right. they go to these sessions. young lovely festival. that's a good place. but you see the mess you leave behind . so you're telling leave behind. so you're telling me you're you really are helping the environment? you ? and

the environment? are you? and they're all your group doing it. >> just, just, just, just to be clear. what? just stop . clear. what? just stop. >> oil is demanding is an end to all new fossil fuel licences and consents in uk. we're not consents in the uk. we're not asking people to we're not asking people to we're not asking for an oil asking for an end to oil overnight, suggested at overnight, as you suggested at the . right. the beginning. right. okay. and we've the international we've got the international energy agency, which is the world's leading authority on energy that energy policy. they say that they said two years ago that we cannot have any new investment in fossil fuels globally. in new fossil fuels globally. and our government wants 100 new licences in their cars. >> yes. >> yes. >> okay. now, listen , eddie, >> okay. now, listen, eddie, i take your point. i understand your concerns about and your concerns about oil and fossil fuels . so, look, i'm glad fossil fuels. so, look, i'm glad you've made it, eddie. before you've made it, eddie. before you go, you're a fan of. you go, listen, you're a fan of. of kim woodburn. she was the star clean house? star of how clean is your house? she queen of clean. she is the queen of clean. and i think you guys get on. i think there's a chemistry, but i think it's all going to go wrong when kim, at this footage kim, take a look at this footage . tell kim tell me what you think mess that eddie think of the mess that eddie made at world snooker made at the world snooker championships . yes. how long championships. yes. how long would taken to clean up

would it have taken to clean up all from a luxury all that dust from a luxury beautiful snooker table ? beautiful snooker table? >> you'd have to vacuum first, which would take forever . you which would take forever. you know, sponge all over the ceiling. it'll be all over the ceiling. it'll be all over the ceiling . it will rise. it'll be ceiling. it will rise. it'll be on people's shoes, on their clothes in their hair, because they've got to go home and wash his cause. chaos and hours of cleaning . and he's telling you cleaning. and he's telling you he's trying to save the environment and if anybody has got bad lungs , even bronchitis got bad lungs, even bronchitis and my husband has bronchitis, if they breathe that in, they could be in trouble. so how the hell have you helped out, eddie, briefly , you get the last word . briefly, you get the last word. >> well, i think people need to go to just applaud and sign up for action because as i've tried to make clear, hundreds of millions people going millions of people are going to lose lives we don't get lose their lives if we don't get this right. okay. if we don't get right, the get this right, if the government continues to licence new projects, you new fossil fuel projects, you know, to look back know, we're going to look back on this and on interviews like this and people will say, what on earth were talking what on were they talking about? what on earth talking

earth was mark dolan talking about? what on earth was kim talking right. well, talking about? all right. well, i will be watching i think they will be watching this interview back for a of this interview back for a bit of a but been a great a chuckle. but it's been a great debate this show the debate as well. this show is the home of diverse we've home of diverse opinion. we've had large in the last had it writ large in the last few minutes. my thanks eddie few minutes. my thanks to eddie whittingham, a just stop whittingham, who is a just stop oil protest oil spokesperson and protest writer legendary writer and the legendary television kim television personality, kim woodburn. gb woodburn. your reaction? mark gb news cbnnews.com are young people hypocrites ? it's so people eco hypocrites? it's so coming up in uncanny. people eco hypocrites? it's so coming up in uncanny . despite coming up in uncanny. despite the growing clamour in kenya, did the king get it right by not apologising for britain's colonial esteemed royal colonial past? esteemed royal biographer tom bower gives us the inside track soon, and he'll be talking about boris johnson . be talking about boris johnson. he wrote a book about boris. what does he think of the covid inquiry today? dominic inquiry today? and dominic cummings? the media cummings? but next in the media buzz, world cup sets buzz, the qatar world cup sets apart and the apart the virtuous and the virtuous signallers. so with the 2024 tournament set for qatar , 2024 tournament set for qatar, should the home nations put their money where their mouth is and boycott the tournament? it's happening in saudi arabia now. my panel are about to return. we'll debate that. do you think

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won the world cup. well it raises a lot of questions. what do we think about this? should the home nations refuse to attend? rebecca read yeah, they should. >> i think it's hideous. two things really bother me about this. one is that it looks like we'll have to do the thing again when it into winter, when we move it into the winter, which nightmare for pubs which is a nightmare for pubs and have managed to and if you have managed to survive the survive running a pub for the last 3 4 years, you need last 3 or 4 years, you need every opportunity you can every single opportunity you can get pack out and sell as get to pack it out and sell as many drinks as possible. pub culture best culture is one of the best things this country it things about this country and it feels no respect feels like there is no respect for the calendar events that enable hospitality to keep going. that makes me furious. also, the human rights record is hideous and people will always say, well, don't go say, oh well, if you don't go there, what other countries would go to? america has there, what other countries wo problems. go to? america has there, what other countries wo problems. go uk america has there, what other countries wo problems. go uk is merica has there, what other countries wo problems. go uk is not ca has its problems. the uk is not perfect. sure. absolutely. there's big grey area in the there's a big grey area in the middle, all agree middle, but we can all agree that rights record that their human rights record is disgusting you cannot is disgusting and you cannot realistically expect people to go when two men kissing in the street could death. street could be put to death. a woman mini skirt could woman wearing a mini skirt could be. i don't know what would happen it wouldn't

happen to you, but it wouldn't be it's not safe place be good. it's not a safe place for tourists go. for british tourists to go. >> most definitely. the >> most definitely. it's the same qatar, but same argument as qatar, but football moral code. football has no moral code. derek think sport does is derek what i think sport does is i'm an amateur sportsman . i'm an amateur sportsman. >> i play competitive tennis when i can. you. when i can. do you. >> how's backhand ? >> how's your backhand? >> how's your backhand? >> it's extremely good. watch out, watch out, watch out. >> i got to say, you've been you've done few smashes today . you've done a few smashes today. >> but i went to south africa before they abolished apartheid . before they abolished apartheid. and i remember the argument at that you should not politicise sport, but actually see why nafions sport, but actually see why nations do and should do is because it's an amazing thing. soft power tool. and now football is this gigantic financial organisation that benefits states enormously and it will benefit saudi arabia enormously. will it make saudi arabia change? but the point is , arabia change? but the point is, is that if we didn't host it there, they're much more likely

to respond to the pleas that we make to them. often enough that they should have a proper independentjudicial they should have a proper independent judicial system, that they should not in turn people without trial and they should not persecute people because of their sexual orientation. >> if you can't play nicely, you can't play at all. well, i agree. if you're not a proper country, don't want to be country, i don't want to be involved, especially a involved, especially from a sport that does stress how virtuous the time virtuous it is most of the time with laces and all those with rainbow laces and all those people those armbands, people with those armbands, rainbow armbands on talking people with those armbands, rainbo gay mbands on talking people with those armbands, rainbo gay pride ds on talking people with those armbands, rainbo gay pride and] talking people with those armbands, rainbo gay pride and takingig people with those armbands, rainbo gay pride and taking the about gay pride and taking the knee. and i like those things. i respect those things. you respect those things. but you can't and play in can't then go and play in a country that puts people to death. >> no, indeed. on email >> no, indeed. anna on email says the moment we says yes. at the moment we should boycott. david says, i bet lineker in saudi bet lineker will be in saudi and john mark, but they john says, yes, mark, but they won't boycott it. and this is exactly how russia and qatar got their host the world cup their bids to host the world cup . years away. . it's over ten years away. i can smell a rat already. and this means gary lineker will stay in a job for another ten years and beckham and gary years and david beckham and gary neville. you go. john's

neville. there you go. john's not happy, are you , esther? not happy, are you, esther? >> i would go there, i think saudi arabia is a long standing strategic ally of the uk . i strategic ally of the uk. i actually would like to see football non—political and sport non—political because i think it can transcend politics in a way. look, we're talking about a world now that we're wanting to see more peace. we're wanting people to get on with one another. and this is the way of another. and this is the way of an olive branch of going into other countries of having forms of communication. i don't like it. the fact that people somehow think the west is superior because has different because it has different religion, beliefs, it religion, different beliefs, it is it is superior. >> you don't think the superiors were superior ? were superior? >> saudi arabia is on a journey and bit by bit bit of a slow journey. >> we are superior to them . they >> we are superior to them. they are a terrible country. up and with that you could say it can be an enabler. >> people will be using it around the world now as strategic allies and all that double standards for all of us. of course, there is because we like deals saudi

like those deals with saudi arabia, we? arabia, don't we? >> don't bought and >> newcastle i don't bought and funded saudi arabia allowing funded by saudi arabia allowing you go there. you shouldn't be go there. >> the rest of the world is dependent on saudi arabia . dependent on saudi arabia. >> precisely and all the things very difficult. >> maybe we should stop oil >> maybe we should just stop oil >> maybe we should just stop oil >> just stop oil and it'd >> it's just stop oil and it'd be very difficult to get to change when they're so independent financially of the rest. >> hang on, you're wanting saudi arabia to come in and arabia now to come in and help with situation is with the situation that is between israel and between hamas, israel and palestine. let's think. rebecca i don't want to have anything to do with saudi arabia at all. and we need to get i don't know. >> want the billions? do >> do you want the billions? do you the from our you want the billions from our from our weapons deals with saudi no, i don't want saudi arabia? no, i don't want you money to you want that money to go to france want france instead. i don't want us to any weapons. to have any weapons. >> i don't believe trident. >> i don't believe in trident. >> i don't believe in trident. >> don't want to pay for >> but don't you want to pay for the nhs? and that's those the nhs? and that's what those deals saudi arabia. deals pay for with saudi arabia. >> anything >> i don't want anything to do with at any cost. with saudi arabia at any cost. it is a horrid little country with horrid behaviours. you don't i don't want money for the nhs. i don't want money for the nhs. i don't want money for the nhs. i don't want don't want that don't want i don't want that money nhs, don't that money. >> so you don't need it to come

in as other people are calling for i think it's the for it. i think it's in the palestine. there any palestine. israel. is there any country you wouldn't take? >> is there any country whose money you wouldn't? never money you wouldn't? i never talked money there. talked about money there. >> global >> i'm talking about global peace. about world, peace. i'm talking about world, not to somebody something >> to give somebody something without changes. >> to give somebody something witiokay, changes. >> to give somebody something witiokay, charfolks,it's >> to give somebody something witiokay, charfolks, it's all >> okay, listen, folks, it's all about opinions. what's yours? margaret gbnews.com coming up with companies left furious, have the government gone off the rails by scrapping the planned closure of ticket offices? i'll get the views panel get the views of my panel in their and their greatest britain and union jackass nominations. but next in uncanceled king in kenya uncanceled the king in kenya will joined by top royal will be joined by top royal biographer tom bower. he's live in the studio. plus, we'll discuss boris johnson . tom's discuss boris johnson. tom's written a book about him to is there any way back to frontline politics for boris after a day to forget at the covid inquiry? tom bower live in the studio . tom bower live in the studio. unmissable. give it two minutes .

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it's time for uncanceled with the esteemed journalist and author tom bower and speaking at author tom bower and speaking at a state banquet tonight during his state visit to kenya, king charles confront britain's charles did confront britain's colonial past but resisted calls for an apology. take a listen . for an apology. take a listen. >> we must also acknowledge the most painful times of our long and complex relations ship , the and complex relations ship, the wrongdoings of the past are a cause of the greatest sorrow and the deepest regret . the were the deepest regret. the were abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence committed against kenyans. of violence committed against kenyans . and for that, there can kenyans. and for that, there can be no excuse . be no excuse. >> tom bower joins me in the studio. tom, does the king struggle with these issues or is he a natural diplomat and a natural politician ? ian? natural politician? ian? >> well, i don't think he's a natural diplomat or a natural politician, ian. i think he does struggle because he knows very well that of course things, terrible things did happen dunng terrible things did happen during the mau mau period, but more kenyans were murdered by

kenyans , many, many more of them kenyans, many, many more of them by the british and it's all vastly exaggerated . vastly exaggerated. >> the suffering caused by the british, because it's the work of left wing american academics who lied positively, lied about what happened, same as palestinians will suffer at the hands of hamas and their policies than israel. exactly. >> and that's the problem with history. but unfortunately , the history. but unfortunately, the foreign office bowed to this argument that britain had been terrible during the colonial period. >> but in fact, when kenyatta became the first president of kenya , the first thing he did kenya, the first thing he did was appeal to the british to help him rule kenya. >> so and he'd been the head of mau mau. so the whole thing has been turned its head. >> and the british have a hugely advantageous reputation. >> in kenya to this day >> still in kenya to this day because of the legacy of the imperial powers. i mean, kenya is a booming , imperial powers. i mean, kenya is a booming, very imperial powers. i mean, kenya is a booming , very flush african is a booming, very flush african country, unlike many any others , country, unlike many any others, thanks to the british legacy, prince william , the prince of prince william, the prince of wales, has been confronted on trips to the commonwealth

himself africa and elsewhere, himself in africa and elsewhere, often by sort of crowds whipped up often by sort of crowds whipped “p by often by sort of crowds whipped up by populist politicians making a headline and winning support. >> do you think that the new incumbent, the king and his son, might yield to pressure in the future to say sorry or even have reparations? >> well, no, there will be no reparations. >> no government could be that foolish. >> and i think, frankly, i think the government well, labour government will hopefully charles will say, i'm not out of my mouth, you're quite right. >> but mean, truth is that >> but i mean, the truth is that we're reaching this odd period at the moment with the colonial past.i at the moment with the colonial past. i mean, south africa has suffered terribly under its victorious anc government isn't kenya, says flurry wished thanks to the british legacy and it's about time that the british and other colonial, especially britain, stops saying sorry for what he left behind. it is some bad things. there's no doubt there were some horrors, but there were some horrors, but there were some horrors, but there were also a lot of good things done as well. >> privately. would the king

like apologise ? because like to apologise? because i think on woke isn't think not on the woke side isn't he? no, he wouldn't like to. of >> no, he wouldn't like to. of course knows he's this course not. he knows he's this all written for him. and in fact, after falklands war, fact, after the falklands war, when in argentina, was when he was in argentina, he was pretty good at support getting the british cause there after they removed the dictator. so you know, history has been rewritten by these left wing academics and we should resist it . it. >> he is in kenya. it's a significant state visit. do you think he enjoys these occasions? is he enjoying his new job as king? >> i fear not. i mean, he never liked to going africa. he was forced to go to africa shortly before he became king because he neglected the commonwealth. he liked going to the white commonwealth countries. he liked going india, but he going a lot to india, but he avoided if could . but avoided africa. if he could. but why? well, he just didn't find it culturally very interesting, whereas he was very interested in culture india . and the in the culture of india. and the real truth is he doesn't. camilla doesn't like travelling long distances, as i think he does very difficult . does find it very difficult. now. he doesn't look as if he's enjoying having waited enjoying the job, having waited so long it. but but in the

so long for it. but but in the end, you see the commonwealth will fall apart unless he works hard at it. >> well, yes, he's been in the waiting decades and we waiting room for decades and we can because can rejoice in that fact because we long reign from we enjoyed a long reign from queen elizabeth ii. now that queen elizabeth ii. but now that he's do you think he's he's king, do you think he's found as human being? found peace as a human being? i think he's found happiness with camilla. >> but i think he's finding it a struggle to find a way in which he can impose a carillon era. i mean, you know, what will he be remembered for and not even an airport terminal at the moment? >> do you think he feels he's too old for the job? >> i think he feels frustrated. i think he feels tired. he doesn't look like somebody who's attacking the job with a new zest and a new philosophy . zest and a new philosophy. >> and that's rather sad, right? >> and that's rather sad, right? >> job, wrong time. >> job, wrong time. >> well, right job, wrong time. but, you know, not every monarch is like elizabeth. not is like queen elizabeth. not every monarch like queen elizabeth. i mean, that was unique in our history. so, you know, we can't expect time know, we can't expect every time to no. and we're grateful for >> no. and we're grateful for her listen, let's her longevity. listen, let's talk about , her longevity. listen, let's talk about, uh, boris johnson, who the subject of your

who is the subject of your excellent the gambler , excellent book, the gambler, subjected to a slaying from his former chief adviser, dominic cummings . take a listen to this. cummings. take a listen to this. you should trolley on it, meaning ? meaning? >> well, i'm using the sort of genenc >> well, i'm using the sort of generic term that we often used about the pm. pretty much everyone called him the trolley. yeah >> was the prime minister rather averse to attending cobra on account of its physical location? >> i mean, he certainly preferred to be in his study and he didn't like going to cobra . he didn't like going to cobra. >> why did you want michael gove to be in charge of regular devolved administration updates and prime minister ? and not the prime minister? >> i thought gove would handle and not the prime minister? >> i ttimest gove would handle and not the prime minister? >> i ttimes better would handle and not the prime minister? >> i ttimes better ./ould handle it ten times better. >> dominic cummings pours a bucket of the brown stuff over his former boss. was he right to do so? >> no. i mean, the problem with dominic cummings is that he ran the brexit campaign hated by the brexit campaign was hated by most conservative brexiteers. i mean, cameron rightly mean, as david cameron rightly said, for a change, he called him a career sociopath. i mean, he is who really is he is a man who really is clinically suspect. and i

thought they were effective. well, he was a very effective for the brexit campaign, very effective the election, but effective for the election, but a manager , appalling a poorly man manager, appalling relationship because he picks fights with people, he picks fights, but he humiliates people. even today, what i people. but even today, what i found very , very found really very, very obnoxious about today was the terrific wisdom of hindsight. there he was saying we should have banned everyone coming in from in late 2019. well, from china in late 2019. well, i mean, it was impossible. and even patrick vallance , the even patrick vallance, the doctor, saying that the scientists saying something like that, boris wanted the old to die. well, vallance wanted the old to die. originally he was the man who said, we've got to go for herd immunity. we've got to let it all die. all these people forget what they themselves said. and cummings is themselves said. and cummings is the last person with lee kane, a fourth rate expert. journalist the real problem in all this is that boris brought a lot of very disgraceful people into downing street with him. he's appalling choice of people really is one

of the reasons for his downfall . of the reasons for his downfall. and vallance was ill equipped for the job, but most awful of all, it was vallance who did not say to boris johnson that public health england was failing in their job. health england was failing in theirjob. the health england was failing in their job. the two women health england was failing in theirjob. the two women running their job. the two women running it were hopeless. the man in charge couldn't even get a job. it was a 13th job. he applied for before he was made head of pubuc for before he was made head of public health england and vallance said, we can rely on you. and was nonsense. you. and it was nonsense. we couldn't. boris was put into couldn't. so boris was put into a having been assured a corner having been assured dunng a corner having been assured during january and february that all was in hand. all was being managed properly , and then was managed properly, and then was left with this terrible problem in march. >> well, now, of course, patrick vallance authorities vallance and the authorities would argue that all of the measures were significant in saving lives and serious illness, stopping the nhs from becoming ovennhelmed . becoming ovennhelmed. >> that's not my view, but that is most mainstream is the view of most mainstream scientists in this country. but bofis scientists in this country. but boris didn't agree either. it was his instinct to go for herd immunity and actually to let this virus rip, immunity and actually to let this virus rip , because we've

this virus rip, because we've seen countries like sweden that had very few measures similar , had very few measures similar, if not better outcomes. so why didn't boris follow his gut? well, these lockdowns were crazy i >> well, you've got to make a distinction with the first lockdown where actually in march, britain had only locked down the same day as germany and five days after france and the country was locking itself down with the second lockdown. that is one he rightly opposed is the one he rightly opposed because that one that because that is the one that wrecked the economy. >> his way? >> didn't he get his way? >> didn't he get his way? >> was because prime >> he was because he was prime minister, he was minister, because he was surrounded people didn't surrounded by people who didn't support his fault. >> pathological weakness, which is be liked. is the need to be liked. >> was in his >> well, there was that in his wife, also coming lovely wife, but also coming lovely carrie, carrie and the carrie, awful. carrie and the awful . awful. >> say she's a good friend of mine. >> oh well, they are. they're not. you're not perfect completely, are you , tom? completely, are you, tom? >> listen, a great debate . do >> listen, a great debate. do check out tom's brilliant book, the gambler, about boris. it's an absolute page turner, and we look fonnard to tom in look fonnard to seeing tom in a week's . okay, folks, it's week's time. okay, folks, it's time now for your nominations for jack carson greatest for union jack carson greatest britain and esther , who's your

britain and esther, who's your greatest? britain of the day? >> my greatest britain. for all those great britons who decided to go for the consulting option to go for the consulting option to stop those train office ticket stations and sorry, train station ticket office closing. so all those people who did that consultation and me included, and kept the ticket offices open at train stations. >> yeah, great nomination , >> yeah, great nomination, derek. your greatest britain it's somebody by the name of jemmy cooper but not the jemmy cooper that we all know. >> he's an 80 year old nurse in northern ireland. he's worked for the nhs for the last 50 years. he came out of retirement after the age of 69, and i think he would be a superb candidate. >> i love your choice of jemmy cooper and rebecca. >> mine is dominic cummings as i've just really enjoyed the drama and the gossip of today. i think he's done some really creative swearing and i think he's yeah, he's added the he's yeah, he's added to the national cooler moment national water cooler moment from likes to from one one individual likes to swear on air to another.

>> that's exactly right . rebecca >> that's exactly right. rebecca brilliant i think i'm brilliant stuff. i think i'm going to go for jemmy cooper. brilliant stuff . how about going to go for jemmy cooper. brilliant stuff. how about union jack? briefly if you can. >> esther that has to be honorary sam bank freed, the who's currently on trial for what? federal prosecutors described as one of the biggest fraud cases in the country. but he's blaming his girlfriend for this . this. >> never blame the missus. derek >> never blame the missus. derek >> it has to be martin reynolds. who was for a brief time , not who was for a brief time, not brief enough private secretary to boris johnson, who appeared before the covid inquiry, couldn't remember a thing . he couldn't remember a thing. he appeared as though he was in the advanced of alzheimer's disease. >> yeah. good sir. one. how >> yeah. good sir. one. and how about your union jackass? >> mine is miriam cates, who was blamed rise of children blamed the rise of children arriving still in arriving at school, still in nappies a working mothers. nappies on a working mothers. apparently, children don't have fathers. >> you go . brilliant >> there you go. brilliant stuff. well, look, i liked all those but going those nominations, but i'm going to for sam bankman freed. to go for sam bankman freed. never blame the missus. as mrs. dolan will tell you. love your company tonight. what brilliant

pundits you were. we'll catch up in a week's time. let me tell you that patrick is looking after show thursday and after the show thursday and wednesday . that's tomorrow and wednesday. that's tomorrow and thursday. back on friday thursday. and i'm back on friday at nine for mark dolan tonight. really your last really enjoyed your company last couple headliners couple of days. headliners is next. done to the team for next. well done to the team for working today. see you working so hard today. see you friday night. >> who is it? we're here for the show . no energy this time. show. no energy this time. >> welcome to the dinosaur hour. >> welcome to the dinosaur hour. >> i was married to a therapist. >> i was married to a therapist. >> and you survived. >> and you survived. >> i thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best. my bellissima. you interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like? i was terrified. i'm playing strip poker with these three. >> oh , no, thank you. >> oh, no, thank you. >> oh, no, thank you. >> my cds need to be put in alphabetical order. oh are you going to be problematic again ? going to be problematic again? >> the dinosaur for our sundays at 9:00 on gb news is

>> good evening . i'm tatiana >> good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez. this is the latest from the newsroom. boris johnson's former chief adviser has told the covid inquiry he warned of the covid inquiry he warned of the imploding like a zombie apocalypse film. dominic cummings says he called for daily crisis meetings fearing the pandemic was coming much faster than expected. he also said the government had no plan to help vulnerable people during

lockdown and the cabinet office was trying to block the creation of a shielding plan . of a shielding plan. >> the cabinet office was a bombsite and many officials had come to me and said this is causing chaos. there has to be some formalised system to actually grip this because the cabinet office was a dumpster . fire >> meanwhile, a group of pro—palestinian actor activists staged a sit in at liverpool street station earlier this evening in protest at the israel hamas conflict . more than 500 hamas conflict. more than 500 people joined the protest to demand an immediate ceasefire to israel's attacks on gaza and an end to arms exports to israel . end to arms exports to israel. while israel's military says it killed a very senior hamas commander after an airstrike on the jabalia refugee camp in northern gaza, the idf has said it killed ibrahim bukhari , who it killed ibrahim bukhari, who it killed ibrahim bukhari, who

it says was a ringleader of the