now that council's lots of them are going bust, but the amount of cash that the councils are now raking in from the likes of you and i fining us for everything from wrong parking to driving down the wrong streets or driving the wrong cars is absolutely astronomical. are we now being seen as the cash cows who will bail out the councils failed us and we all know, don't we, that police stations are being closing down for years? but now there is a new innovation in town. the possible one. have you seen them? are these pints sized portakabins these pints sized portakabins the key to helping fight crime or are they just a little bit of a joke? and the birth rate in this country is in decline. i'm asking how much does that matter

. yes, we've got all that to come and more in the next hour. but first, let's cross live to tatiana sanchez for tonight's latest headlines . michelle latest headlines. michelle thank you and good evening. this is the latest buses carrying at least 320 foreign passport holders set off from gaza earlier , the first in an initial earlier, the first in an initial list of 500 people allowed out of the enclave . it comes as more of the enclave. it comes as more than 80 injured people were taken across the rafah crossing in ambulances under a deal mediated by qatar. it's unclear how long the border will remain open , but it's unlikely all of open, but it's unlikely all of those waiting will make it through today. james cleverly says uk teams are ready to assist british nationals as soon assist british nationals as soon as they can leave . the israeli as they can leave. the israeli military says 15 of its soldiers

have been killed during heavy fighting in its ground offensive into gaza. that is another airstrike hit the jabalia refugee camp in the north. rescue efforts were undennay this afternoon in as paramedics dug through the rubble in a desperate search for survivors. the idf says an airstrike yesterday killed a senior hamas commander who was a ringleader of the attack on the 7th of october . police are searching october. police are searching for two men in the west midlands after several incidents of mice being thrown into mcdonald's restaurants . they've released restaurants. they've released images of 32 year old amir khan and 30 year old bilal hussein as part of a public appeal footage shared on social media showed dozens of mice unleashed in another mcdonald's after two incidents earlier in the week. a masked gang of propane mark steyn activists held the rodents out on to the floor in their alleged support of israel . they

alleged support of israel. they the us vice president, has arrived at downing street a short while ago as several high profile guests attend the world's first summit on al safety at bletchley park. a warning for viewers. the following contains flashing images. she was greeted by the prime minister, rishi sunak, who hopes to put the uk at the centre of global efforts to monitor the technology . earlier monitor the technology. earlier today, kamala harris announced the creation of the us ai safety institute, which will work alongside its uk counterpart. but she said the threats posed by new technologies are profound i >> -- >> it also has the potential to cause profound harm from an ai enabled cyber attacks at a scale beyond anything we've seen before. two ai formulated bio weapons that could endanger the lives of millions of people . all lives of millions of people. all these threats referred to as the existential threats of ai because , of course, they could

because, of course, they could endanger the very existence of humanity . humanity. >> a former top civil servant says former health secretary matt hancock displayed nuclear levels of over confidence in the early days of the pandemic. helen mcnamara was deputy cabinet secretary in 2020 and 2021 and played a key role in britain's covid response. she told the inquiry that rules were routinely broken in the daily course of government and that bofis course of government and that boris johnson displayed a breezy confidence regarding the pandemic , which she found pandemic, which she found jarring . jarring. >> it was striking that something that i felt personally was obviously deeply worrying that the there was a sort of de facto assumption that we were going to be great without any of the hesitancy or questioning or that sort of behind closed doors bit of government, which isn't about saying everything's smashing and going brilliantly , smashing and going brilliantly, but actually being a bit more reflective of the sort of unbelievable bullish. we're going to be great at everything

approach is not a smart mentality to have inside a government meeting . government meeting. >> amber weather warnings are in place for the south coast of england and parts of pembrokeshire in wales as storm kieran nears the uk. the met office says wind and rain could bnng office says wind and rain could bring potential risk to life and property. a red wind warning has been issued by jersey met with gusts of almost 100mph, expected in parts of northern ireland have already been flooded due to heavy rainfall . people have been heavy rainfall. people have been warned not to . travel the king warned not to. travel the king has called for action, partnership and commitment to combat environmental challenges as his state visit to kenya continues . the king told the continues. the king told the united nations in nairobi he's seen the effects of climate change firsthand before planting a tree to commemorate his visit . a tree to commemorate his visit. his majesty then joined queen camilla on a visit to an elephant orphanage where the queen fed a calf. the monarch also visited an urban forest to highlight the importance of

green spaces in our cities . this green spaces in our cities. this is gb news across the uk . on tv, is gb news across the uk. on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . michelle thanks for back to. michelle thanks for that tatiana. yes, i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. alan miller, the co—founder of together declaration campaign, and peter edwards , a former and peter edwards, a former editor of labourlist . good editor of labourlist. good evening to both of you. good evening. i don't want to sound like a massive luddite or anything, but i have been looking at this ai conference and some of the things that people and people have been saying and people have been saying and people been warning , people have been warning, haven't they, about this risk to humanity time humanity for quite some time now. i don't i don't think now. and i don't i don't think i'm a luddite because i am quite into technology. but there is something about al that terrifies me and it makes me think sometimes why we just never happy with what we've got

and what we do . why are we so and what we do. why are we so desperate to keep pushing and pushing and pushing pushing ? pushing and pushing and pushing? so development, the so the next development, the next . next thing. >> i wish we were was getting to do that more. michelle to be honest, i think in infrastructure and innovation, we've become sluggish. we've become fearful frankenstein become fearful of frankenstein type because we see type technology because we see ourselves being able to ourselves as not being able to control and then being control things and then being out control. becomes this out of control. ai becomes this doom mongering thing that's going to take control us going to take control of us rather thinking about rather than us thinking about how use for how we can use it for processing, machine learning, development over development and have agency over it. and the more we think of ourselves as slaves to things and things being out of our control, the more that can become a bit of a self—fulfilling prophecy. yes, there concerns, particularly there are concerns, particularly around surveillance, around privacy and surveillance, and really diligent and we should be really diligent and we should be really diligent and vigilant about that. but actually there are great opportunities harness opportunities for us to harness and . and develop more. >> i've got to say, my data privacy would be the least of my worries field of worries if i had a field of robots turning on about robots turning on us about to wipe us the face of the wipe us off the face of the earth. and maybe i am just being a little old fashioned and alarmist. where are on it?

alarmist. where are you on it? >> i there's nothing wrong >> i think there's nothing wrong with being cautious, you know, getting into election. every politician be asked, politician is going to be asked, well, would make nhs well, how would you make the nhs work without just writing work better without just writing check after check check. check after check after check. so on which i'm not so i suspect i on which i'm not an expert may be part of things like that. but if you're jokingly calling yourself a luddite, i'll call myself boring because i think this make because i think this does make the case for things like regulation and whether you're looking so years looking at smoking. 80 years ago or media over the last 20 or social media over the last 20 years, has years, sometimes a market has raced ahead regulation . then raced ahead of regulation. then there are social harms it has and i can tell you what already trying to follow the israel hamas stuff. trying to follow the israel harsometimes i sit and i look at >> sometimes i sit and i look at things and i really do struggle saying is this actually real? is it genuine? is it manipulated ? it genuine? is it manipulated? and that's already and we're only just at the very start of this technology. do you this technology. what do you make to it all anyway? you know the isn't about the drill. it isn't just about us random news us three and my random news headune us three and my random news headline rants. we've got a packed agenda for you guys coming up tonight. i want to talk to you about the covid inquiry are inquiry councils that are failing in what they should be doing, which balancing

doing, which is balancing their books getting lots . i books and getting us lots. i feel it's a bail feel like anyway, it's a bail them out. want to talk to them out. and i want to talk to you about stations and you about police stations and lots more gbviews@gbnews.com is how join the how you can join the conversation or you can reach me as well at twitter at gb news. now as i've just been alluding to, is another day indeed in to, it is another day indeed in the covid and query land. i have to you're going facing to say you're going to be facing this quite some time because this for quite some time because this for quite some time because this inquiry is scheduled to last four years, and i don't believe will finish when it believe it will finish when it actually and actually says it will. and i dread to think how much money is going be spent on this. going to be spent on this. i think estimates at the moment say about £100 million say we spent about £100 million so far and today it was the time, you've just been time, as you've just been heanng time, as you've just been hearing there, former hearing there, the former deputy cabinet secretary, helen mcnamara, she was up speaking about the extent of conflict and dysfunction inside downing streets. absolutely fascinating stuff. no doubt you can get your popcorn out to it. but is this really allen, a good use of time and effort, money and will it actually really produce any meaningful outcomes when it

comes to potential next pandemics? >> i think the problem is , >> i think the problem is, michel, that the terms of reference have been very problematic and there is no real scrutiny about whether we should have even have had lockdowns. one the crucial questions why one of the crucial questions why is that admitted? that has made people very distrustful and cynical because of the amount of damage . we'll talk about some damage. we'll talk about some more of that on the show. i'm sure about the damage that's been played across the been played out across the economy and elsewhere. but so i think in principle, the idea of having is a sound having an inquiry is a sound one. where you one. a proper inquiry where you have terms of reference. have proper terms of reference. the is with this is that the trouble is with this is that we've almost a hankering we've seen almost a hankering for saying, why didn't you lock down why wasn't it down sooner? why wasn't it longer ? so that's longer? so that's the parameters. even though we parameters. so even though we get which get these revelations, which some saying the some people were saying at the time and we saw how much the basically stigmatising people censoring them , now we're seeing censoring them, now we're seeing in plain sight why that was so egregious and problematic. the problem is what we need is some

robust measures to make sure this doesn't happen again. and that's why it together, what we're saying is you have to have cost benefit analysis. you have to dispense with the elements in the public health act, that meant could have meant you could just have a lockdown you to make lockdown and you have to make sure you have proper scrutiny in parliament, transparency, open debate, and the debate, no censorship and the public, and public, your viewers and everyone else to put everyone else has to put pressure on and others to pressure on mps and others to make sure we don't have this again, six years again, because this in six years time the road will be a time down the road it will be a bit the iraq war moment bit like the iraq war moment when they about tony blair when they talk about tony blair and need exert some of our and we need to exert some of our own over all this. own control over all this. >> i've to say, all >> and i've got to say, all this, it may be just i'm this, it may be it's just i'm focusing perhaps too much because people there because there'll be people there that lost lose loved ones that did lost lose loved ones that did lost lose loved ones that were deeply well, we're all deeply affected by covid. but you know, whose families really haven't recovered the haven't recovered from the impact but when i just impact of covid. but when i just read , you know, dominic read, you know, is dominic cummings misogyny biased? do they swear at each other too much? a toxic environment much? is it a toxic environment at parliament? i think, oh, shut up . what's that got to do with up. what's that got to do with the price of fish? these people

are even going in are not even going to be in power the time there is power the next time there is a pandemic. what are these pandemic. so what are these individual to individual personalities got to do anything? individual personalities got to do well, nything? individual personalities got to do well, iything? individual personalities got to do well, i think ? individual personalities got to do well, i think it matters >> well, i think it matters because they were the decision makers and but they be makers and but they won't be next but there's next time. no, no. but there's you in my whole lifetime you know, in my whole lifetime and further, there and probably even further, there have in have been disagreements in downing street between the people privileged to the people privileged to run the country. it seems to have been especially toxic with boris johnson, cummings around this time. that's why johnson, cummings around this tim in that's why johnson, cummings around this tim in news that's why johnson, cummings around this tim in news agendat's why johnson, cummings around this tim in news agenda now1y johnson, cummings around this tim in news agenda now .( johnson, cummings around this tim in news agenda now . but it's in the news agenda now. but of course, inquiry has been chugging for months chugging away for many months and further to go. oh, and has a lot further to go. oh, and has a lot further to go. oh, and by the way, i think there's no at all. in no censorship at all. and in fact, we're having a vigorous debate this shows there's debate like this shows there's no i having an no censorship. i think having an inquiry thing. inquiry is the right thing. i checked mortality statistics checked the mortality statistics today they're still today because they're still being people being published and people are still dying covid. it's still dying of covid. it's a round about 230,000in the so round about 230,000in the uk. so my be that with my question would be that with that dead, 230,000, we that many dead, 230,000, we obviously had an economic crisis at the time. and whatever your view of it, fundamental social changes to rules, laws and culture in britain are very short notice. we'd go for all of

that and then not have a learnings exercise is seems to me a bit daft. yeah, i don't mind having a learnings exercise. >> i think that's quite sensible. but the things that i want to be learning is stuff like who decided what constituted a covid death? who decided this is what goes on. i can tell you that the covid death certificate. why was there no seemingly no kind of set standard, normal standard globally as who counted globally as to who counted a covid death in which way it seemed to vary depending on which country was measuring what. well i suspect with anything that involves government intervention in getting 200 odd countries in the world to line up and remember , world to line up and remember, i've got although i think the tory government made huge mistakes, the one area i have sympathy them on is the sympathy with them on is the speed were speed with which they were forced decisions. forced to make decisions. >> it was very, very quick and we know was not we know china was not transparent in releasing information generally. information in generally. i think did think the british government did not too well, but not handle it too well, but i think ask think the question you ask points to an inquiry is points to why an inquiry is necessary, because there are things britain has control of and things like in a

and there are things like in a financial require and there are things like in a financiiup require and there are things like in a financiiup globally require and there are things like in a financiiup globally .equire joining up globally. >> do you go on, you want to come in? >> well, what we've is >> well, what we've seen is a political class bereft of clarity and ideas is willing to do a u—turn, being under pressure, outsource responsibility and opposition that shouldn't be called that. most of the media that only wanted to tub thump and champion for more things. now lots of people reading back saying we didn't want to all of didn't really want to do all of that. didn't want to just that. we didn't want to just follow we didn't follow the science. we didn't really to lockdown. it really want to lockdown. it was unprecedented. was unprecedented. when there was a pandemic preparedness strategy unprecedented. when there was a pan(we ic preparedness strategy unprecedented. when there was a pan(we had eparedness strategy unprecedented. when there was a pan(we had inaredness strategy unprecedented. when there was a pan(we had in the ness strategy unprecedented. when there was a pan(we had in the unitedrategy that we had in the united kingdom we've sunetra kingdom. we've seen sunetra gupta many scientists gupta and many scientists presented that to the government . but because certain things . but because of certain things like , us and some like models, us and some technocrats , aukus and the idea technocrats, aukus and the idea that the public needs to be contained and limited rather than doing a proper scientific evaluation of who was most at risk and to how do it, which, by the way, many people argued at the way, many people argued at the time, this is not hindsight. that's why this a that's why this bit of a whitewash and the censorship part that we had part is the fact that we had a rapid response unit by the government and a

counter—disinform ation government and a counter—disinformation unit, which still their onnellian which is still their onnellian term , spying on citizens and term, spying on citizens and journalists and shutting down a debate where we could have had this open and seven brigade, well, they were involved in it too, but it's across the board right? the dcms, who are meant to about the media and sport. to be about the media and sport. i'm writing part of it. i'm the writing part of it. you've got a whole situation where in we jettisoned our freedom in country and at freedom in this country and at the same time we plundered our economy, we put it into massive lockdown. it had huge consequences. we've now got over 7 million people waiting on the nhs. where are all those people screaming now the deaths? screaming now about the deaths? they're not here anymore, right? it's absolutely abhorrent. and i think that people need to take account and that's why the pubuc account and that's why the public needs to be much more involved need to involved in this. and we need to say need rather than say what we need rather than have basically a lot of incompetent people running things, willing things, outsourcing, not willing to responsibility , doing to take responsibility, doing things us, using strap lines. things to us, using strap lines. >> bernard, one of my viewers, he's saying these inquiries have only held , he for one only been held, he says, for one reason which is to make

reason only, which is to make lawyers money. he said there'll be nothing to comment. at the end the day, there'll be no end of the day, there'll be no real accountability. tom says . real accountability. tom says. i'd really like to see the breakdown of all the money that has been spent, that will be spent and who managing these spent and who is managing these budgets whether or not these budgets and whether or not these i don't believe that this inquiry will stick to its timeframe or its budget, whatever that may look like. i think this will rumble on and get of control cost wise. get out of control cost wise. >> do you and to be honest, i'm not too keen on the throwaway comment about it's just money for lawyers because i think it is a job governments to learn is a job of governments to learn lessons. i think it. lessons. but i think was it. bernard wrote in. i think he does have a point about timeliness. yes. and we've had some inquiries in some very long inquiries in british that have some very long inquiries in britis seen that have some very long inquiries in britis seen to that have some very long inquiries in britis seen to overrun. have some very long inquiries in britis seen to overrun. bute some very long inquiries in britis seen to overrun. but if you been seen to overrun. but if you look at some of the recent ones, covid, 230,000 dead sunday that went on for many years. child sex abuse, i think was sex abuse, which i think was established by theresa may and set up when she was home secretary. these are matters of huge importance about whether it's social health, sexual

crisis . so it's right that the crisis. so it's right that the state looks into it. >> i know. but you know , things >> i know. but you know, things seem to take such a long time in the public sector. this is not it's not covid. i'm not suggesting it's covid like i saw the other day, the inquiry into the other day, the inquiry into the suicide bomber in manchester that popped up the other day on my on my timeline of news. and i thought, well, that was years ago. and it was this ruling that actually the fella was determined to be a suicide bomber. and i thought, well , bomber. and i thought, well, it's taken you how long to ascertain that information because anyone whose eyesight worked could have told you that right at the beginning. so i just think i don't know what it is that takes so long. i would like to see the role of the media questioned and whether or not enough questioning not there was enough questioning permits on the media because it was i'll never forget those 5:00 death conferences . do you death conferences. do you remember we used to gather around our table for the next slide, please to be terrified. i'd within an inch of our lives as to how many people had got

ill or died that day. well, this is why you proper scrutiny. is why you need proper scrutiny. >> need transport and >> you need transport and openness. you context. openness. you need context. if you're talk about you're going to talk about deaths, to talk about deaths, you need to talk about deaths, you need to talk about deaths normally occur every deaths that normally occur every day, every month, year. day, every month, every year. cancen day, every month, every year. cancer, disease, strokes. cancer, heart disease, strokes. you a proper grown you need to have a proper grown up who's risk up conversation. who's at risk relatively absolutely . how relatively and absolutely. how do mitigate that do you best mitigate that situation what's cost situation and what's the cost and of doing something? and benefit of doing something? put the public, be put it to the public, be democratic. don't nudge them with behavioural insights. team with behavioural insights. team with terrifying fear . petrifying with terrifying fear. petrifying people telling them their granny killer don't shut down our schools . why not follow a model schools. why not follow a model like sweden did and other outliers? right? that had an epidemiologist who understood these rather than going these things rather than going with these are things with modelling these are things that we must remember. that's why together is saying we need to sure we take account of to make sure we take account of this our political this that we hold our political representatives accountable, but also that change of the also that we change some of the things moving fonnard. and we're going insist that lobby going to insist that we lobby and make that and campaign and make that happen. actually we're happen. and actually we're saying this saying our votes in this election going be election year are going to be dependent it up and down the

dependent on it up and down the country . country. >> saying , michelle, >> we leslie saying, michelle, you your panel, >> we leslie saying, michelle, you your panel , they're all you know your panel, they're all talking about this and that and the ultimately, every the other. but ultimately, every country mistakes. why is country made mistakes. why is this country they're looking to apportion blame? i mean , there apportion blame? i mean, there are investigations and inquiries is going on in different countries a somewhat different pace. and speed. i have to say to this country. mel says this covid inquiry is another hs2 scandal. covid inquiry is another hs2 scandal . and there's really scandal. and there's really quite divided opinions actually . quite divided opinions actually. alma says again , this is all alma says again, this is all just a blame exercise , so let's just a blame exercise, so let's just a blame exercise, so let's just try and focus on learning as opposed to trying to blame david says, yes, it's a waste of time . no one david says, yes, it's a waste of time. no one will be david says, yes, it's a waste of time . no one will be accountable time. no one will be accountable for it and it will just carry on business as usual . for it and it will just carry on business as usual. i'm hearing. well, i'm hearing like i say, mixed opinions on that. if you did lose someone that you love with covid or from covid, what do you make specifically to the covid inquiry? i'm really interested to hear your thoughts on that. vaiews@gbnews.uk com.

i'll be moving on after the break. there's a lot to cover. failing councils. break. there's a lot to cover. failing councils . are you and i failing councils. are you and i responsible now by stealth for bailing them out? is that right? tell me .

>> you're listening to news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry till seven. alan miller, the co—founder of together declaration campaigners alongside me, as is peter edwards, the former editor of labourlist . now keep your labourlist. now keep your thoughts on that covid inquiry coming in i shall try and coming in and i shall try and read more before the read some more out before the end the programme. but for end of the programme. but for now, know that so now, look, we all know that so many councils are literally on the cusp of going bankrupt and i have to say i have to give credit where it's due. it's not just a particular party. this is right across the board. it is not party specific . and not party specific. and obviously there are many different reasons as to why that is happening. but it does not escape my notice and perhaps yours too, that many times yours too, that so many times now, so many councils , they are

now, so many councils, they are absolutely raking it in in terms of how many fines and the breadth of fines that they are now issuing issuing to you and l, now issuing issuing to you and i, the everyday people. so for example, £60,000 motorists are being hit by £12.50 ulez charges every single day . we've got every single day. we've got councils wanting to hike parking fines by up to 25. and i could go on. there's so many different ways now. council rolls are really raking in the cash and i feel a little bit like some kind of stealth atm that's been expected to fund the mismanagement of incompetence. and i don't like it. >> well, there's a couple of different things going on here, michelle. i think you're absolutely right that there's been approach of been this whole approach of taxing surveillance . it's taxing surveillance. it's restricting. they talk about 15 minute cities in places like oxford and bath, but actually what it means is bollards and cameras . we don't have service cameras. we don't have service provision. we can't even get to see a gp where they're there. let alone being in a new 1 in 15

minutes. if all this new public transport is going to be provided areas where it's not provided in areas where it's not there, and if amazing there, and if these amazing infrastructure that's there, and if these amazing infrething.jre that's there, and if these amazing infrething.jre that that's there, and if these amazing infrething.jre that isn't that's one thing. but that isn't provided what we've got surveillance taxes, more fines in haringey over four months, 2 million in revenues. you've mentioned ulez and down the mentioned ulez up and down the country . we've seen in the country. we've seen in the midlands people midlands 50,000 people challenged the clean air zone and had their challenges upheld. but we've got a bigger problem and that is that britain has been for a time . been sluggish for a long time. that's why together association, we've cabinet we've we've got a cabinet that we've launched to drive certain areas where we have the economy and housing innovation. we need to have a situation where we have a future orientated britain, where we have coastal development, where we have investment, where we infrastructure to build we have infrastructure to build houses, create new jobs, retrain and let the zombie companies fail. none of this is being presented by the government or by opposition. that's why we by the opposition. that's why we need to have a new manifesto, really, where the public is at the heart things call. the heart of things call. >> do you trust the public to be

making the key decisions driving the future of country? the future of this country? is that we more public involvement? >> i think always trust the pubuc >> i think always trust the public because we are the public and and and we're paying for it. and that's true of local that's especially true of local authorities. with an authorities. i disagree with an awful what said, but awful lot of what alan said, but i to come back to the i want to come back to the stories that you highlighted, because grimly fact because they are grimly fact baiting, know, we've baiting, really. you know, we've got several authorities. got several local authorities. i think biggest is in think the biggest one is in birmingham trouble. they're birmingham in trouble. they're equal . it's 1 to £2 equal pay claims. it's 1 to £2 billion in birmingham. but i was very interested in the media coverage. so this is a credit agency, moody's flagging a concern about council resources. and it's not very good for david cameron. his premiership. when you look back at it years of austerity. so local government funding cuts of 40 to 60. and then david cameron's government scrapping the audit commission , scrapping the audit commission, which was a statutory body that looked at local government finances. so it's a non vindication of david cameron . vindication of david cameron. i've got a lot of sympathy for local authorities, whatever their political stripe, because i they're having to make i think they're having to make deeply decisions about deeply difficult decisions about how keep public services

how you keep public services going. yes, that's why they going. and yes, that's why they are to eke out, you know , are trying to eke out, you know, revenue buying parking revenue from buying parking permits and so on and so on. >> do you think there's a few too many incompetent people in local government? >> well, i'm always wary of generalisations , but i think generalisations, but i think every single part of the british state could perform better than it does. and that takes nothing away from their work. away from their hard work. >> think if someone >> and do you think if someone is incompetent and for is incompetent and leads, for example all council on to example, all their council on to the edge of bankruptcy , whether the edge of bankruptcy, whether it's doing things like not paying it's doing things like not paying people according to the law or whether it's thinking that some kind of uk donald trump, real estate speculator and making it disastrously wrong, do you think then you should lose your jobs? do you think you should face in some cases i would argue perhaps criminal prosecutions because to me that doesn't often happen . me that doesn't often happen. these people seem to sail off into the sunset with these beautiful pension laws, only to p°p beautiful pension laws, only to pop back up in a different role in the not too distant future.

>> what is it like there? so i think politicians, mayors and council leaders obviously face election every four years so they can lose their jobs and their and so on and so their status and so on and so on. people right at the of on. people right at the top of councils, remember talking councils, remember we're talking about 0.01% of local about probably 0.01% of local authority employees because a lot of people on very modest salaries, but people who run local authorities tend to be quite paid, but i think quite well paid, but i think they need to have a special skill set to deliver that job because they're responsible skill set to deliver that job benmuch. .hey're responsible skill set to deliver that job benmuch. and'e responsible skill set to deliver that job benmuch. and in'esponsible skill set to deliver that job benmuch. and in asponsible skill set to deliver that job benmuch. and in a sense, le skill set to deliver that job benmuch. and in a sense, what's so much. and in a sense, what's a special skill set? well, i think they need to very good think they need to be very good at like finance and at things like finance and audit. and then think they audit. and then i think they need they're feeling if need a well, they're feeling if you your special skill set to you if your special skill set to run a local authority's finance and something going and audit something is going catastrophic wrong. well the catastrophically wrong thing one of 40 to 60% funding of them is a 40 to 60% funding cut from central government. >> do find this >> so but i do find this interesting. i think that some people just want remove interesting. i think that some people bits want remove interesting. i think that some people bits wamoneylmove interesting. i think that some people bits wa money we've got around bits of money we've got already the we've had already since the 70s, we've had sluggish growth . we need have sluggish growth. we need to have people more money, we need people paid more money, we need to have more productivity that means investments. the means making investments. the levelling for

levelling up discussion, for instance, relationship levelling up discussion, for instance, localelationship levelling up discussion, for instance, local authorities, the between local authorities, the 406 or so in the rest of the country. the only we're country. the only way we're going get dynamism and wealth going to get dynamism and wealth creation is to proper creation is to have proper investment not in an investment r&d, not in an election cycle of four years, but planning for the next 50 or 100. and the problem is people have away that. have stepped away from that. they're there's a they're risk averse. there's a lack of ambition. they to lack of ambition. they want to outsource consultants, outsource to consultants, leadership missing then leadership is missing and then they play blame game. they want to play a blame game. and of it, the and in the middle of it, the citizens, local constituent are are the ones who suffer . and the are the ones who suffer. and the resolution is not to do what american cities have done, which is what's happening here more and which is tax and fine, and more, which is tax and fine, and more, which is tax and fine, and restrict it and have a war on motorists and a war on freedom of mobility, active travel and liveable streets, which thankfully now the department has department of transport has stopped harper stopped funding. mark harper because our interventions. because of our interventions. that directly to blame for that is directly to blame for these things. and i think the more the public these more the public says these things gets involved , the better. >> well, you are the public at home. do you think that you won? well, want more well, do you want more involvement? would that involvement? what would that look you want a series

look like? do you want a series of referendum ? of referendum? >> well, i think well, referendums are always a good thing. we thing. but i think that what we need have is the public need to have is what the public needs discussion and needs and a discussion and a debate openly. we've had debate openly. we've not had that. not that about that. we've not had that about many things. even when we do have concerns that, look like, well, that looks like is in well, what that looks like is in every area innovation, in every area in innovation, in housing, the economy, housing, in the economy, is what are the public are the needs of the public first and foremost in the nhs . first and foremost in the nhs. that's is it? that's all, is it? >> so do you ascertain? >> so how do you ascertain? >> so how do you ascertain? >> well, in each area you have to present that you to to present that and you have to discuss it. if you if you discuss it. so if you if you think the role of the nhs is to have an ideology, people really, really big bureaucracy and you don't have efficiency in delivery , then carry on with the delivery, then carry on with the model. we've got . if we think it model. we've got. if we think it should be about expedite doing service people quickly and service to people quickly and you can do that in a range of ways like they do in germany or other countries, for instance, then that's what should put other countries, for instance, thethelat's what should put other countries, for instance, thethe map./hat should put other countries, for instance, thethe map. simei|ould put other countries, for instance, thethe map. simei early put other countries, for instance, thethe map. simei early in put on the map. simei early in education, have a more education, could you have a more of a mixed use? should it be so ideological or not? let us have the interests of what people ideological or not? let us have the iratrests of what people ideological or not? let us have the irat the; of what people ideological or not? let us have the irat the heart1at people ideological or not? let us have

the irat the heart of people ideological or not? let us have the irat the heart of things. need at the heart of things. think first, because too think of that first, because too much the decision making has much of the decision making has been based on 30 years of technocrats under technocrats not being under pressure public and pressure from the public and just is you just saying, this is what you need, this is the next ideological. we're not really going tinkering going to do. it's tinkering and we fundamental we need fundamental change, particularly innovation and particularly in innovation and investment, . do we? i think investment, r&d. do we? i think we all want better r&d . we all want better r&d. >> the question is how you get there, because because to my mind , too much of what alan said mind, too much of what alan said was either a generalisation or a wrong to take one example, referenda refer agenda are not that popular. there is not a pubuc that popular. there is not a public demand to have more referenda even on a local level. to give another idea, the suggestion that we take things out of the political cycle now there's something to be said for that and cast your mind back 7 or 8 years when ed balls was shadow chancellor, he had the idea of a national infrastructure commission. labour lost the election, but that picked up by that idea was picked up by george exactly the george osborne for exactly the reason michel. all reason you described michel. all that decisions , hs2 is one that big decisions, hs2 is one of them, and a bit sick of

of them, and we're a bit sick of talking about hs2, but you take decisions like that out of the political there is political cycle and there is some of body of qualified some kind of body of qualified people what the people that look at what the country in 30 or 50 years country needs in 30 or 50 years time. >> but the problem is >> yeah, but the problem is people will be sitting home people will be sitting at home going, fascinating. talk going, it's fascinating. talk about years time, but about 50 or 50 years time, but then that then what happens is that businesses themselves to businesses prepare themselves to i know. so you've seen i don't know. so you've seen this and ban that this petrol and diesel ban that was to be, what it, was supposed to be, what was it, 25? then so everyone's 25? and then so everyone's geanng 25? and then so everyone's gearing up for that and then no, so it's supposed be 30, then so it's supposed to be 30, then it gets pushed back. the it gets pushed back. so the problem is people will argue and say, yes, it's great planning, but don't but then those plans don't really stuck to they get really get stuck to they get changed and chopped and then businesses don't they businesses don't know if they are for or martha if they're coming or they're going. >> understand >> well, i understand that that's not that's the problem. we've not having it's like having clarity, but it's like the leader of the liberal democrats saying, well, if we were have were really going to have nuclear we wouldn't have nuclear power, we wouldn't have energy until 2022. energy independence until 2022. and the is, if we don't and the point is, if we don't commit infrastructure commit to infrastructure development , to investment and development, to investment and r&d as a principle, we're not going to get there. and that

doesn't mean not dealing with the problems we've got immediately, but it means putting them front and centre. that's the thing that we need to address properly the address properly and the public's be at the heart public's got to be at the heart of there you go. of it. well there you go. >> public got to be at the >> the public got to be at the heart of it. do you want to be at the heart of it? and what would that look like to you? there coming your way. there is a lot coming your way. i to talk to you about law i want to talk to you about law and order after the break. the small list, tiniest little police stations, i would argue, perhaps might have seen. is perhaps ever might have seen. is this fonnard? also

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>> alan miller and peter edwards remain alongside me. lots of people getting in touch about that. council city location. if they cannot spend their money properly , then they should properly, then they should absolutely all be sacked, says beverley . do you think we've got beverley. do you think we've got this great talent pool to replace those people at the top of the councils? i'm not sure about that. duncan says tradesmen an and delivery courier service etcetera should boycott all of these areas. is talking about the ulez areas, etcetera . and then let's see how etcetera. and then let's see how long it would take those councils to decide that indeed the working class are welcome there again. richard says part of the problem with councils is some of the high salaries paid to senior officers. officials are getting paid far more to run part of the country than the prime minister does for running the entire country is that true? regional mayors are their salaries . well, regional local salaries. well, regional local councillors, i guess, are their salaries higher than the prime minister? >> some of the council leaders

are . i think >> some of the council leaders are. i think they go up to around 180. >> well, we've got be clear. >> well, we've got to be clear. what we're talking about. so i think ordinary councillors don't get . yeah, mayors will get a salary. yeah, mayors will get a salary. yeah, mayors will get a salary. yeah, mayors will get a salary, some declined to take it and i believe did the job for free because they're already members of parliament like jarvis in south like dan jarvis in south yorkshire it goes yorkshire. but some and it goes without saying. some council officers, unelected officials do get paid more than 100 k, so similar level to the prime minister. >> there you go maurice you make a really interesting point actually. you say the near disappearance basically of local newspapers has has allowed councils to underperform for their direct taxpayers . i think their direct taxpayers. i think that's a really interesting point actually. the decline of local media, because you're quite right, national, you can't always drill into those local issues. you want to come in. >> can i say one thing just about what it all look like? it should be said that up and down the country, residents and businesses have got involved and challenged these charging tax fees we've in a range

fees, as we've seen in a range of places. residents who are very well informed, who've got together, who've challenged their said these their councils and said these measures don't work, they're a problem. we've seen people standing in fact, standing independently in fact, in hackney, there's someone standing independent on the 9th of november that has been challenging ltns and ulez, where they've got 75% of them closing down. we've seen that actually the public individuals who run businesses and our residents are very articulate and very clear about what's needed their about what's needed in their areas. that's why we've got areas. and that's why we've got this campaign for our streets and encourage more people and we'd encourage more people to with it. to get involved with it. >> you and i'll >> well, there you go. and i'll tell is popping up on tell you what is popping up on our streets. have you seen this? i think i can bring a picture up for now because we talk for you now because we talk often, don't we, about the lack often, don't we, about the lack of the streets. we of police on the streets. we talk the police stations talk about the police stations that closing down. that have been closing down. well this. this is kind well look at this. this is kind of like it reminds me a little bit, you know, when you go to supermarkets and you see those like pop up key cup places and stuff that, well, is stuff like that, well, this is like a miniature pop up police station . now, look at it. it's station. now, look at it. it's apparently in crawley, i think

it sussex , and it's about it is in sussex, and it's about helping people feel that there is a presence in their local area . you can see the officer area. you can see the officer there proudly sitting inside of it. if i was sitting inside that, i would be absolutely terrified . died that someone terrified. died that someone pushed me over. you know, like when you go to a festival and you sit in the portaloo and never relax in a portaloo in a festival, because i'm always frightened jerk will festival, because i'm always fright me d jerk will festival, because i'm always frighime over jerk will festival, because i'm always frighime over backwards. will festival, because i'm always frighime over backwards. but. push me over backwards. but maybe that says more about my mindset it those cop mindset than it does those cop shops. think to them? >> well, without thinking about doctor i mean, i think doctor who, i mean, i think a number of things have happened, haven't they? we've seen haven't they? right we've seen a massive in policing in massive decrease in policing in which most senior levels. which the most senior levels. right. so there's been an attempt recruit people, attempt to recruit new people, which come in. but even which has come in. but also even in the year, we've seen in the last year, we've seen over 4000 people the over 4000 people leave the force, of them with decades force, many of them with decades of we've also seen of experience. we've also seen a situation where the implementation of measures and the way policing is done has been focussed on some really problematic like what problematic areas like what people are tweeting about or what they're saying about

certain things, whether it's trans or other controversial issues rather than things like burglaries assaults , very burglaries and assaults, very serious things that the british pubuc public is very concerned about. so got a couple of issues so we've got a couple of issues that need to be addressed. i also think in the issue of knife crime, if we don't address the white elephant room , if white elephant in the room, if we address this discussion we don't address this discussion about war on drugs, abject about the war on drugs, abject failure, the fact there are failure, the fact that there are gangs have got knives gangs that have got knives and the that there's a whole the fact that there's a whole illicit black market trade from terrorists that make terrorists and others that make money and that if you money from it, and that if you put it into the realms of the treasury making money from it, you as a legal you control it as a legal substance, as we saw, prohibitions never saw prohibitions never work. we saw that in america, where the mob was till they legalised was huge till they legalised it. alcohol nations have alcohol again. many nations have begun explore with this thing begun to explore with this thing . i think we need to have a serious conversation in britain if the public are not into it. fair enough. have it openly democratic. that's one fair enough. have it openly dethe�*ratic. that's one fair enough. have it openly dethe�*ratic. aroundthat's one fair enough. have it openly dethe�*ratic. around policing.“ of the issues around policing. and think that across the and i think that across the board, we need to see a situation where there's well, and also there's not that much pubuc and also there's not that much public support in some areas for

policing , and we need to address policing, and we need to address that as that question as well. >> which i think quite >> yeah, which i think is quite disgraceful, by the way, when you hear all these people saying they police they don't respect the police and rest of it, think and all the rest of it, i think to myself, you know what? if someone murder someone was trying to murder you, i bet of the first you, i bet one of the first things you'd do is dial nine nine, nine and get those people that you do nothing but criticise on demand and all criticise and on demand and all the of it to come and try the rest of it to come and try and you. but anyway. and help you. but anyway. >> peter yeah, i want to try and answer your question, which i'm not sure did. i think there not sure alan did. i think there is a place told alan is a place told you? alan i think there is a place for small scale cheap innovation like the pop scale cheap innovation like the pop because scale cheap innovation like the pop can because scale cheap innovation like the pop can provide because scale cheap innovation like the pop can provide reassurance ;e scale cheap innovation like the pop can provide reassurance and they can provide reassurance and do things affordably. in no do things affordably. but in no way is it compensation way at all is it a compensation for like 660 police for something like 660 police stations been closed stations that have been closed down since 2010? we have to realise are realise these things are a consequence austerity. and consequence of austerity. and yes, know that can provide yes, you know that can provide the you showed in crawley the pop up you showed in crawley in can provide in sussex can provide reassurance. there a reassurance. yes. and there is a positive it and it is positive to it and it is probably affordable. but probably quite affordable. but austerity british austerity has damaged british infrastructure to such an extent. the other one we talked about the show about a month

about on the show about a month ago was chris philp. the policing minister, saying, oh, if shoplifting or if you see shoplifting or someone doing something improper, out improper, try and carry out the rescue you can't rescue yourself. if you can't get to attend the get a policeman to attend to the citizen's arrest. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and citizens arrest established law. but the established in law. but but the idea we're so bereft a idea that we're so bereft as a british state that we do the policing and the arrest ourselves , putting ourselves in ourselves, putting ourselves in danger bit of a nonsense. danger is a bit of a nonsense. >> well, i will say one thing about that, though. i mean, like like those brave citizens that stood up the nihilist stood up to the nihilist terrorists, terrorists on london bndge bridge and elsewhere, those brave fought them, brave people that fought them, i was proud of that. and i get your point. and there should be provision. but at the end of the day, so concerned and day, i'm not so concerned and worried of decent worried about the idea of decent citizens standing up together. in fact, i actually quite like the of of society the idea of a kind of society where public hold the line where the public hold the line and dont where the public hold the line and don't do that to the and say, don't do that to the children people children and other people support another and demand support one another and demand the kind of cultural backdrop of decent social decent behaviour, social behaviour for unlike the situation we've got now. so i wouldn't pooh—pooh it as much , wouldn't pooh—pooh it as much, but i'm not pooh poohing it briefly. >> i'm talking about ordinary

folk been trained in folk who haven't been trained in putting in harm's way i >>i >> i asked if you want to know anything in this world, ask a taxi driver. and i asked a taxi driver today who happened randomly to be a former police officer . i was asking him randomly to be a former police officer. i was asking him about these up policing things and these pop up policing things and he to there is he said to me, there is a difference between a police station and a police office. and i said, is there? and he said, absolutely. and he said, and what they're do is what they're trying to do is replace the police stations with these police and these police offices. and i thought that was really interesting. actually, interesting. and actually, i think biggest if you think one of the biggest if you was to trace back and look at the of some the the root causes of some of the problems in society, is the removal of those police stations, isn't it? you make i want to know what you think to that. always interested as that. i'm always interested as well hear from police well to hear from a police officer. feel officer. would you even feel safe sitting there potentially on your lonesome in that little portacabin thing ? and would you portacabin thing? and would you feel perhaps more reassured as a resident if one of those things did pop up on your local high street? is it the answer to fixed crime ? you get touch fixed crime? you get in touch with your thoughts on that. i

want to talk to you after the break. i want to bring lots break. i want to bring in lots more conversation, but more of your conversation, but also decline in also ask you the decline in birth rate in this country. does it matter? are you worried about birth rate in this country. does it ryour r? are you worried about birth rate in this country. does it ryour thoughts1 worried about birth rate in this country. does it ryour thoughts . worried about

hi there, michelle dewberry with you till seven. alan miller, the co—founder of together declaration campaign alongside me is peter edwards, the me as is peter edwards, the former editor labourlist . and former editor of labourlist. and i love you guys at home. i really do enjoy our conversation. roy, you just given fascinating insight given me a fascinating insight out about great grandfather , out about my great grandfather, our charlie dewberry, and his history in some of the previous conflicts, which i was not aware of. i've got to say, i've never spent any time researching my family, but that insight made me smile. so thank you very much for that . again, this covid for that. again, this covid pandemic, joanne says it's all just a waste of money. this

investigation. it was a pandemic, a pandemic. the first of which, in its kind, in modern times, no matter what lessons are learned, they will be useless , she says, because the useless, she says, because the next pandemic is likely to be totally different . and andy totally different. and andy said, you know , so many people said, you know, so many people died. it is important that we find out just how incompetent and inept the political class where, when faced with this unprecedented situation. but why, andy? because those same people won't be there next time. so i just don't really get that again. gary says, yes, the inquiry because we want their actions to have of consequences. and janey says, can we start a petition to stop the inquiries, the blame game , eye—watering the blame game, eye—watering costs. you're saying that you don't trust most of what's is coming out of that inquiry? that is a sad state of affairs, isn't it? let me ask you this. the onus figures show that the uk's natural population apparently will start to decline in 2025, given the fact that our birthrate is at a record low .

birthrate is at a record low. i've got to say as well, when you expand this and look across europe, the picture there doesn't look quite so good either. are you concerned about a falling rate, peter? a falling birth rate, peter? >> too concerned about >> i'm not too concerned about the although not the rate, although i'm not particularly qualified to opine. i'm concerned about the reasons why happening, though. why it's happening, though. >> are you not qualified to >> why are you not qualified to opine? because >> suspect there are >> cause i suspect there are people demographic people like demographic scientists lot more scientists who know a lot more about do. but when about this than i do. but when you look at the reasons why i think those are alarming, and i suspect all down to suspect they all come down to money hardship in different money and hardship in different form, that more people form, we know that more people are alone. we know that are living alone. we know that people settling and people are settling down and getting fewer getting married. later, fewer people married. people are getting married. obviously invest your obviously you invest in your child. at any time in child. you know, at any time in british also british society. but we also know that buying your first home is expensive than it is a lot more expensive than it used very quickly, i got used to be. very quickly, i got a couple of stats for you. average price for a time average price for a first time home in london, just over half average price for a first time ho million. ndon, just over half average price for a first time ho million. uk n, just over half average price for a first time ho million. uk wide,t over half average price for a first time ho million. uk wide, £300,000 £1 million. uk wide, £300,000 and i suspect it's getting more challenging economically to have a family. so that's why i'm worried. in some ways it's funny, it, because my funny, isn't it, because my grandmother, she had my grandmother, when she had my

dad, he was around in dad, he was playing around in the in the second world the rubble in the second world war. >> that's not funny, but the prospect of nutrition, the prospect of nutrition, the prospect of nutrition, the prospect of having house prospect of having a house twice the living, of those the cost of living, all of those things were daunting. but people had ambitious ideas about the future, do about future, what they could do about it, they could and it, how they could do it. and they saw themselves as a part of a community and society that a community and a society that believed something. yes, believed in something. yes, there's issues with housing. hence about an hence my point about an investment in 10 million new houses infrastructure. houses and infrastructure. but the problem we face the much bigger problem we face in much of west in britain and much of the west is belief in we and is a belief in who we are and where we're going. we're told at our schools that we're toxic, that we're like termites destroying the world. we're nasty. has nasty. our whole history has been and disgusting. been and evil and disgusting. why should anyone want to reproduce in those circumstances? why would you want bring child into want to bring a child into a world you think that this world when you think that this whole world just going to end whole world is just going to end up catastrophe and doom? up in catastrophe and doom? because we're all because let's face it, we're all nasty scavengers ? i nasty and we're scavengers? i think thing is that we need think the thing is that we need to really big discussion to have a really big discussion about how we ourselves in about how we see ourselves in the future. why is it that so many at university many young people at university and getting and others aren't getting into relationships, or others?

relationships, sexual or others? right. why is this situation even happening? it's not just even happening? it's notjust money, right? there's been in previous generations we've had much challenges financially much more challenges financially . yet the whole idea of us being vulnerable and at risk and dangen vulnerable and at risk and danger, that's what dominates . danger, that's what dominates. and that's something that's really serious. and we have to get to grips with it. >> you know, there'll be many people say, michel, i don't people that say, michel, i don't really or not really care about whether or not people having less kids, but people are having less kids, but then flip side, they'll then on the flip side, they'll also say, if i ask them about immigration and whether or not we migration caps we should have migration caps and it, those and all the rest of it, those same will say, same people will say, i absolutely don't want uncontrolled immigration or heightened immigration, which i always quite interesting always find quite interesting because well , if because then i think, well, if people are not having enough babies want new babies and you don't want new people come to the country, people to come to the country, who who is going to look after us, we old? and us, then when we are old? and the interesting angle to the other interesting angle to this, and perhaps can debate this, and perhaps i can debate this, and perhaps i can debate this another day, is this properly on another day, is whether nhs, for whether or not the nhs, for example, all should be responsible for helping, say, single who want to have single women who want to have children have children but don't have a partner. where should the nhs be

providing ivf treatment to providing ng ivf treatment to those women? is that the purpose of the nhs? that one i know will divide opinions. i might touch on that properly another day. talking about that police pause the cabin. peter is laughing . he the cabin. peter is laughing. he says has doctor who landed in sussex . many of you are getting sussex. many of you are getting in touch on this one. i've got to say, frank says. we've got one in eastbourne and trevor said, you started your programme talking about i. maybe we could replace policemen with robots. graham says these portakabins should surely be larger to accommodate two officers at all times, and he's hoping that there are 24 hours a day. he's worried that they are going to get vandals . and barry, you're a get vandals. and barry, you're a sensible guy. he's saying, what about planning permission? did they get planning permission for that shed? >> it's a temporary structure, i suspect, but is a bit of suspect, but there is a bit of an area that started off an area that we started off talking i and at the end, talking about. i and at the end, the solution to public services is bloke sitting in a tent in is a bloke sitting in a tent in

a centre. a town centre. >> jan says this is missing the point. sitting on point. it's not about sitting on the about the street, it's about patrolling the streets and making people feel safer. tony says, please , can you remind says, please, can you remind your guests that all the austerity that has been discussed tonight was as a result the last labour result of the last labour government? says. people seem government? he says. people seem to forget ray says. can to forget that, ray says. can you peter how police you ask peter how many police stations closed? stations were opened or closed? 1997 to 2010, he knows the tory figures does he know the labour ones? no >> i do know there's a global financial crisis in two thousand and seven. eight. >> ray, does that >> there you go. ray, does that answer your question or not? darren, you're harsh guy. darren, you're a harsh guy. you say just another place say this is just another place for and drink coffee for pcs to hide and drink coffee and eat. don't nuts they and eat. don't nuts when they should out on the streets should be out on the streets talking to the public. bernard says this is another poor decision made by police chiefs. basically proving how much pathetic and weak thinking there is in our country. harsh man. that's all i've got time for. peter allen, thank you for your time. i've got a dash tonight, ladies and gents. i'm going to see jordan peterson. what a treat. i look fonnard that.

treat. i look fonnard to that. have a good night. whatever treat. i look fonnard to that. have edoing, night. whatever treat. i look fonnard to that. have edoing, nigel whatever treat. i look fonnard to that. have edoing, nigel faragever you're doing, nigel farage up next . next tonight. >> welcome to the met >> hi, there. welcome to the met office for gb news. office. forecast for gb news. this is aidan mcgivern storm. kieran won't affect everyone , kieran won't affect everyone, but in places it will bring spells of rain and disruptive or even damaging and dangerous winds. it's predominantly going to affect northern france. parts of france into the channel islands , southern parts of the islands, southern parts of the uk. the wet and windy weather sweeping in overnight and the heaviest rain affecting wales in the before the south—west initially before moving of england moving into the rest of england and southern scotland. by the end the the winds end of the night, the winds strengthening, peaking around southwestern the southwestern shores during the early hours with the risk of 70 or even 80 plus mile per hour gusts. and it's certainly going to be a very blustery start to thursday . the strongest of the thursday. the strongest of the winds transfer along the coast to affect southeast parts of england into the afternoon. and again around coastal areas, 80 mile per hour wind gusts are a possibility or even more than that in some of the most exposed parts inland, 60 mile per hour

wind gusts. so the risk of damaging wind gusts in places, dangerous conditions and dangerous coastal conditions and disruption transportout. dangerous coastal conditions and disruption transport out. but disruption to transport out. but elsewhere across the uk , elsewhere across the uk, actually it's a blustery day. however the strongest of the winds will be across southern areas, into friday. areas, then into friday. sunshine and showers for many as kieran moves through again. a gusty day for northeastern parts, but the wet weather easing to showers. and this weekend, we'll see a spell of rain move in across southern parts of the uk, clearing to showers later

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disturbing report. it's rishi sunak. a safety summit. yes those two letters are everywhere . but do you at home know what i actually is? what it means and what it could do? i bet there's a lot that don't tonight we will try to explain all of that. and i do an interview with senator jacinda price. she's the australian that led the recent success awful no campaign in their referendum. and i'll tell you what, she's going to be a big force in australian politics in the years to come. but before all of that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. the foreign office has confirmed the first british national have left gaza via the rafah border crossing from gaza into egypt . crossing from gaza into egypt. the foreign secretary, james cleverly called the crossing a hugely important first step. what earlier buses are carrying

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