a safety summit. yes sunak. a safety summit. yes those two letters are everywhere . but do you at home know what i actually is? what it means and what it could do? i bet there's a lot that don't tonight we will try to explain all of that. and i do an interview with senator jacinda price. she's the australian that led the recent success awful no campaign in their referendum. and i'll tell you what, she's going to be a big force in australian politics in the years to come. but before all of that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. the foreign office has confirmed the first british national have left gaza via the rafah border crossing from gaza into egypt . crossing from gaza into egypt. the foreign secretary, james cleverly called the crossing a hugely important first step. what earlier buses are carrying

at least 320 foreign passport holders set off from gaza, the first in an initial list of 500 people allowed out of the enclave. it comes as more than 80 injured people were taken across the rafah border crossing in ambulances, andrew doyle mediated by qatar . the israeli mediated by qatar. the israeli military says 15 of its soldiers have been killed during heavy fighting in its ground offensive into gaza. that as another airstrike hit the jabalia refugee camp in the north. rescue efforts were undennay this afternoon as paramedics dug through the rubble in a desperate search for survivors. the idf says an airstrike yesterday killed a senior hamas commander who was a ringleader of the attack on the 7th of october. police are searching for two men in the west midlands after several incidents of mice being thrown into mcdonald's restaurants. they've released images of 32 year old amir khan

and 30 year old bilal hussain as part of a public appeal for footage shared on social media. show dozens of mice unleashed in another of the chain's after two incidents earlier this week , incidents earlier this week, pro—palestinian activists have reportedly called for protests against mcdonald's after a restaurant in israel donated meals to israeli soldiers and security workers . the us vice security workers. the us vice president has been at downing street this evening as several high profile guests attend the world's first summit on al safety at bletchley park. she was greeted by the prime minister, who hopes to pit the uk at the centre of global efforts to monitor the technology. they will this evening be holding a private dinner . evening be holding a private dinner. earlier, kamala harris announced the creation of the us ai safety institute, which will work alongside its uk counterpart. she said the threats posed by new technologies are profound . a technologies are profound. a former top civil servant says

former top civil servant says former health secretary matt hancock displayed nuclear levels of overconfidence in the early days of the pandemic . helen days of the pandemic. helen mcnamara was deputy cabinet secretary in 2020 and 2021. she played a key role in britain's covid response. she told the inquiry that rules were routinely broken in the daily course of government and finally, the king has called for action on partnership and commitment to combat environmental challenges . as the environmental challenges. as the state visit to kenya continues , state visit to kenya continues, the king told the united nations in nairobi he's seen the effects of climate change firsthand before planting a tree to commemorate his visit, his majesty then joined queen camilla on a visit to an elephant orphanage where the queen fed a calf . the monarch queen fed a calf. the monarch also visited an urban forest to highlight the importance of green spaces in our cities . green spaces in our cities. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your

digital radio, and now on your smart speaker. by simply saying play gb news lose. now it's back to . nigel to. nigel >> good evening. last night, about an hour before we went to air, there was a sit in that took place at liverpool street station. many reports that disabled people and others were completely unable to catch their trains . but there they were with trains. but there they were with their palestine flags. and of course , the chanting. this was course, the chanting. this was in liverpool street station last night outside palestine . gate night outside palestine. gate. al fayed dup . there we are from al fayed dup. there we are from the river to the sea , palestine the river to the sea, palestine will be free, which means the obliteration of israel. but that's okay. that's all right. you can do that. or repeatedly

on saturday after saturday. this is the chant that is heard in london and some other of our major cities . well, it hasn't . major cities. well, it hasn't. just been . well, they are jihad. just been. well, they are jihad. you can stand up in the street and call for a jihad, othennise known to most of us as some sort of form of holy war. but that's okay. you won't get arrested for shouting out jihad and yet. and yet last night, a couple of hours after the liverpool street sit in just down the road in bethnal green, an extra ordinary incident happened . now this incident happened. now this resident of bethnal green , who resident of bethnal green, who is a man with a scottish accent, clearly going by the christian name of john, and we don't know any more about him than that. but a few days earlier, he'd

walked down bethnal green high street and made this video . street and made this video. >> so just come along. bethnal green road this morning. and this is the kind of that's going on. yeah. so look at this. yeah you see it then over here. this one. look at this crap going on as well . as well. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and then we come along to this pole here and i've then done the same crap here as well. look at that . these are. look at that. these are. >> this is, this is what we're deaung >> this is, this is what we're dealing with. this is not on. >> and then this one here, you see that? yeah same here as well . that's the of dumas. he's here on the top. >> look . look at this. look on >> look. look at this. look on the top turkish restaurant. yeah look at this . look. look at this. look. >> this is the kind of crap that we're dealing with. this is the

kind of nonsense. yeah. yeah this is the kind of nonsense we're dealing with. bethnal green? yeah. let them into the country. and if they come up with now, clearly , john was not with now, clearly, john was not a happy bunny. >> he did not like to see all those palestinian flags on lampposts and outside shops in bethnal green high street. he expressed a view and he did it in a way with bad language that we won't approve of. but he expressed a view that i suspect is currently held by a huge number of people. what the hell is going on in our country? well, look , last night, a couple well, look, last night, a couple of hours after the liverpool street sit in had finished , this street sit in had finished, this is what happened outside his flat in bethnal green , north flat in bethnal green, north swi, flat in bethnal green, north sw1, a belgian . sw1, a belgian. >> you do not attend any events involved with involving palestine . okay. the reasons why palestine. okay. the reasons why we this is on the 17th. the 10th of 2023 and bethnal green road at 1004. you were witnesses

saying obviously people why are they over here, etcetera? we let them into our country, etcetera. so but do take them disgusting . so but do take them disgusting. >> you are disgusting. absolute i'm a stage four cancer patient and then you go here because he chooses meekness and you're arresting him because he said something about hamas, a terrorist organisation. >> it hasn't been around the block. i don't know what you're talking about. okay. did you hear that? >> almost . palestinian flags in >> almost. palestinian flags in bethnal green road. >> disgust . absolutely disgust . >> disgust. absolutely disgust. >> disgust. absolutely disgust. >> look at the cops. what are the cops? >> embarrassed , embarrassing. embarrassing. >> because he mentioned palestine . let me repeat. palestine. let me repeat. >> the reason for john's arrest . >> the reason for john's arrest. quite simply, what the policeman said on bethnal green road at 10:04 am, you were witnessed as saying , why are they over here?

saying, why are they over here? et cetera. we let them into our country. et cetera . yeah. that's country. et cetera. yeah. that's why he's been arrested. and believe it or not, he's still being detained. no charges have yet have been brought. he's still being detained. we don't know this man's identity. we don't know whether there are other past criminal records that he might have. other past criminal records that he might have . we don't know any he might have. we don't know any of this . but on the basis of of this. but on the basis of what the police officer said, he has been arrested for saying why are they over here? we let them into our country. i would suggest if people, particularly at this moment in time when a lot of us are scratching our heads about what's going on, were to be arrested for saying that i'm not sure how many arrests the police would have to make. 10 million, 20 million or 30 million, i don't know what this man has said. can not surely cannot be seen to be breaking the law or to be

criminal. it's a point of view and said in a way that many may disapprove of. they might not like his tone, but to be arrested for that, whilst you can take over liverpool street station and shout from the river to the sea, palestine shall be free or shout jihad in our streets. something folks , is streets. something folks, is going very, very , very badly going very, very, very badly wrong . wrong. i always try to be wrong. wrong. i always try to be pro police on this program. i do . do i get viewers complaints that i'm being too pro police? but when you see what's going on here, i want to ask you, i mean, are you angry at the police over this? because i've got to tell you tonight, i really am welcome your thoughts, farage at gbnews.com. no doubt. your thoughts, farage at gbnews.com. no doubt . between gbnews.com. no doubt. between now and tomorrow, we will find out more more about this case. but on the face of it, this looks very , very, very wrong looks very, very, very wrong indeed. looks very, very, very wrong indeed . now let's get to tel indeed. now let's get to tel aviv and join mark whyte, gb news security editor who is there . and mark, i thought this

there. and mark, i thought this morning quite a significant moment when one of the leaders of hamas gave an interview. >> yes, this was ghazi hamad , >> yes, this was ghazi hamad, who was giving a televised interview and quite boldly saying that he would and hamas would continue to attack israel. there would be more in the way of october 7th type of attacks , of october 7th type of attacks, blaming israel for all the wrongs that the palestinian people have suffered and saying that there can be no peace for the palestinian people without the palestinian people without the destruction of israel. so we heard it from his own words. a senior palestinian leader there clearly not looking for any kind of ceasefire with israel , but of ceasefire with israel, but determined to continue that struggle, that fight, that terrorism that we saw on october the 7th. so given that israel will argue that they have no choice but to continue to

prosecute the war, to go in and to destroy hamas, and in terms of that war, nigel, it is very indeed and fierce fighting right throughout north gaza today . we throughout north gaza today. we got word of a 16th israeli soldier who had been killed dunng soldier who had been killed during the fighting . there's all during the fighting. there's all the controversy, of course, about the jabalia refugee camp in north gaza, which was struck back yesterday by missiles, an airstrike that was called in by troops on the ground to take out a hamas commander and also hamas infrastructure , including infrastructure, including tunnels and weapons storage in that area . they are absolutely that area. they are absolutely the israelis adamant that that was a legitimate military target. but because, of course, hamas has this process of hiding in and amongst the civilian population, then there is always significant civilian casualties. >> no, you're right. and certainly back to the first

point, you know, when a senior hamas official says we'll go on attacking again and again until israel is annihilated , i would israel is annihilated, i would suggest says to people who think there should be an immediate ceasefire, frankly, there just can't be one on the war on the ground . and the israeli claim is ground. and the israeli claim is that they've hit 11,000 hamas targets. just backing up your point about the intensity of it, let's just switch to egypt. if we can, for a moment. as i understand it, in the last couple of hours, some british citizens have been allowed to cross the border at rafah . but a cross the border at rafah. but a very interesting point that may push back on debate in this country is the egyptian prime minister saying that basically we're prepared to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory. very tough words. mark . white mark. white >> yes. i mean, it doesn't relate as much to the israeli military as to the thought that

the israeli military is about to force 2.3 million palestinians out of gaza and end to the sinai peninsula in egypt . israel will peninsula in egypt. israel will not stand for that . egypt, not stand for that. egypt, i should say, says they will not stand for that . and of course, stand for that. and of course, interestingly , keir starmer, in interestingly, keir starmer, in his speech yesterday spoke about this very issue about the concerns that palestinians have about forced displacement and he called in his speech for the israeli government to disavow the palestinian people of any such notion that they would be pushed out of gaza and into egypt, that once the fighting was over, that they would be allowed to return to their homes in gaza. i don't think as yet israel has made that clear to. >> no, i think you're right. there is some ambiguity around it, but certainly none coming from the egyptian prime minister. and what about just finally, if i may, the situation

on the ground in israel itself today, in particular, rockets coming in from three potential sources as yeah, we only had two rocket attacks over tel aviv today and we went to the shelter once as it was in our area. >> but you know, it's pretty much every hour that there are rocket attacks going into israel. a lot of the attacks are aimed at the communities around the gaza border and really at the gaza border and really at the idf troops who are mustering on the gaza border, but also they're going further afield into ashkelon and ashdod and north of gaza as well . they've north of gaza as well. they've still got the capability, the job is not done by any means. and israel knows that that job on the ground is going to be very long and very. 16 soldiers dead already and they've only begun pushing into these northern suburbs of gaza once they get into gaza city proper.

and once, of course , they have and once, of course, they have to get down into the tunnel systems. i think the number of israeli casualties is going to grow very significantly . grow very significantly. >> i'm sure that's right. mark white from tel aviv, as ever, thank you very much for that live report. so it's the big i summit. yes it's rishi sunak attempt to bring the world leaders together. and indeed, you know , elon musk has come and you know, elon musk has come and the american vice president has come there's some pretty come and there's some pretty important people there at the ai safety summit . we keep hearing safety summit. we keep hearing about al , reading about al , but about al, reading about al, but what actually is it? well, if you're completely up to speed, then perhaps you think i'm talking down to you. but i'll bet you there's a lot of people watching and listening to this who don't really fully understand it and what opportunities and threats it genuinely poses . so we'll do our genuinely poses. so we'll do our best in moment to tell you . there's help for households. are you over state pension age?

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so >> so are you upset by the police's double standards in the way that i am? well 1 or 2 of your responses that have come in, john says it's disgraceful while they stand there and watch them climbing statues around whitehall for god whitehall and calling for god knows police knows what the police are a disgrace. david says this is outrageous. police are outrageous. the police are a total shambles. this is what i feared , stephen says. i don't feared, stephen says. i don't suppose the individual officers wanted to arrest john. i imagine most of them agree , and that's most of them agree, and that's the worry , isn't it? we need an the worry, isn't it? we need an effective police force that has the full consent of the people , the full consent of the people, all to maintain civility in this country. and i just sense in the last couple of weeks they're starting to lose a lot of support because people feel they're acting on on a double standard. so what is i well, earlier on, we sent out our east midlands. reporter will hollis onto the streets of lincoln to ask people if they knew what i

was, what is i? >> well , so far we haven't >> well, so far we haven't actually got artificial intelligence. ai stands for artificial intelligence, but so far we basically have really clever learning machines. so years ago we would have had something like cleverbot, which learns from all the responses that people put into it, and that's advanced that's basically a more advanced version what we have right version of what we have right now. extension your brain now. the extension of your brain meant be better what the meant to be better than what the humans meant to be better than what the hurcans meant to be better than what the hurcan be frightening. >> can be frightening. >> can be frightening. >> i think it does have some some benefits , but mostly some benefits, but mostly i think people are fearful of the implications . implications. >> as you know, the terminator film , it can either take over film, it can either take over the world or it's a good thing. i guess i ranges from simple things like automated response or predictive text . or predictive text. >> it's making decisions on behalf of people all the way through to fakes of people , you through to fakes of people, you know, imitations . know, imitations. >> and basically it's a program which learns about human behaviour and characteristics . behaviour and characteristics. >> now, it's interesting because

the people that actually wanted to answer that question, lincoln had some knowledge of it, but i bet lot you out there right bet a lot of you out there right now don't know much about it really, is why we're very really, which is why we're very pleased have professor hani pleased to have professor hani hagras, of artificial hagras, professor of artificial intelligence of intelligence and head of ai research at the university research group at the university of essex. right. we are not university level mathematics or physics. students assume we are just ordinary folk and we keep heanng just ordinary folk and we keep hearing about al. what is it? >> ai is a set of computer programs and algorithms that try to aim to give the machine or a computer the ability to have human an or nature inspired intelligence. >> a machine with human intelligence . it sounds truly intelligence. it sounds truly horrifying . horrifying. >> it is. and it's not. it is because of the opportunities and financial benefits it can give to humanity and the ability for us to get huge through breakthroughs in medicine .

breakthroughs in medicine. >> but the human brain, however hard it tries, doesn't always deal with things logically, does it ? so? so because the human it? so? so because the human brain is making other our emotional value judgement , it's emotional value judgement, it's with everything that it does that's part of being human. yeah so how can a machine have of emotional intelligence? we're not looking for emotions. >> we're not looking for emotions. so what are we looking for? >> are we looking for pure logic? >> we are looking for enabling the machine to do tasks which require our own intelligence. for example, i speak to for example, when i speak to you, i understand what what you say and i can respond to you. i can have i can begin having a conversation with you see conversation with you when i see you. i that this is nigel you. i know that this is nigel farage. okay when i see certain if i'm a medical doctor and i see certain ct scan, i know see a certain ct scan, i know what it is it is doing. so it's trying to analyse different inputs and try to take the correct outputs to deal with them . but not speaking about them. but not speaking about emotions, we are trying to get

the job done. >> all right, so we can go on to chat gpt and we can ask it to give us an opinion. it does. it does opinions, you see, does give opinions, you see, because you put in give us an because if you put in give us an opinion on joe biden. give us an opinion on joe biden. give us an opinion on joe biden. give us an opinion on donald trump. get opinion on donald trump. we get very answers. yeah. very different answers. yeah. yeah. are these i mean, what yeah. so are these i mean, what i'm saying you that i'm saying to you is this that okay, it can think like a human, but isn't the danger that it thinks like the human that's programmed it and given it the information? >> okay. so the artificial intelligence has got different kind of flavours. so there is what we call opaque box models, which is a breed that have generated chatgpt, which has been trained . in a huge amount been trained. in a huge amount of computing and huge amount of data to give us outputs. these are very complex . even the are very complex. even the person that programmed them doesn't understand exactly how they worked. and this can be very dangerous if you begin relying on them, for example, to do very sophisticated tasks in our in our lives, we can create something. >> yeah . that effectively has

>> yeah. that effectively has a mind of its own. >> yes . and this is why here in >> yes. and this is why here in the in the uk, in the ai select committee in the house of lords, they have made a very good recommendation, which i hope that the current summit is going to adopt. yeah, yeah. >> i mean, i mean rishi sunak's got this summit to talk about threats and yeah, but let's go back to you mentioned opportunities . yeah, financial opportunities. yeah, financial benefits. give me tell me benefits. just give me tell me what think the big benefits what you think the big benefits could be. >> well, let's pick numbers. so there that there are estimates that generative ai, which is the branch of dougie beattie, is going to generate annually between 2.3 to $4.6 trillion per yean between 2.3 to $4.6 trillion per year. just for comparison, the gdp of the uk is about 2.3 $3.3 trillion. >> and is that because it makes us more efficient? >> it creates new opportunities, new services , and it enables us new services, and it enables us to create efficiency while getting us to do more tasks and generate more opportunities and financial benefits where where

the opportunity arise. >> well , okay, but rishi the opportunity arise. >> well, okay, but rishi sunak has called this summit and he's trying to take a bit of global leadership on this issue because of the threats. and we've heard all sorts of blood curdling stories that this thing could become a total monster. ca—i completely out of control , could completely out of control, could threaten the future of humanity . threaten the future of humanity. and we look on and say, well, we just don't really understand what this means, how big a threat is this? or could it be it is a huge threat to be blunt about it, because if safeguards and legislations are not going to be in place, ai is an industrial revolution. >> when electricity was invented, it came up with safeguards . you didn't have safeguards. you didn't have uninsulated wires all over the place. the problem of ai , it is place. the problem of ai, it is unlike the other industrial revolution , the technology is revolution, the technology is here and now we are trying to find how to contain it. and this is why such a summit and such legislations important

legislations are very important for us. >> what's the worst case scenario then ? it's what you you scenario then? it's what you you you can think it out. >> you can think it out. the problem is that you have got this kind of huge machine trying to undo stand your own intentions . and if it gets out intentions. and if it gets out of control, it can basically begin getting out of power. this is happening nowadays. didn't you have a conversation with some friend and suddenly you found that an advert is appearing in your social media? yes yes, yes. >> oh, horrified. yeah no, no, no, no. yeah. >> this is so it's. yeah, it's happening already. >> yeah. no, i mean, obviously . >> yeah. no, i mean, obviously. obviously. so let's say that rishi kicks off a global process. yeah where governments of all shades us get together and say right, we've got to actually agree to use your analogy, to put some safety on the electricity wires. but what's to stop a bad actor getting involved in this space and causing problems for

everybody else? >> well , all it everybody else? >> well, all it is , it is like >> well, all it is, it is like any other technology basically . any other technology basically. you can assume that bad actors can always appear , but if you can always appear, but if you have got the correct legislations that like nuclear power, nuclear power, any kind of bad actors can appear. but because there are very tight regulation, how it is going to be used, how it is deployed, it is actually. is safe actually. >> think, you know, comparing >> i think, you know, comparing this nuclear this debate to the nuclear debate is quite relevant because we saw in 1945 the devastating impact of nuclear weapons and, you know, many people for decades after that lived in terrible fear . and a lot of terrible fear. and a lot of people thought, well, let's just uninvent it. let's just not have nuclear weapons . but you can't nuclear weapons. but you can't uninvent things and i guess there is quite a good modern day example. >> nuclear weapons is one thing, but nuclear energy we could be very positive, is very positive . very positive, is very positive. >> yeah, we could argue the same. then in your logic, we could argue the same about al it harness correctly. it can be a

good is a fantastic option good ai is a fantastic option for humanity. >> can really solve a lot of >> it can really solve a lot of diseases, can cure cancer . it diseases, can cure cancer. it can enable us to have fantastic health care and social care . health care and social care. what you are speaking about is what the house of lords mentioned. if ai is going to be deployed in our society, it has to be totally explainable. it should to easily to should be easy to easily to interpret it, analyse and be under the human control. if you understand it, you will trust it. >> okay. it's there. >> okay. it's there. >> it's not going away. >> it's not going away. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> opportunities, threats . as >> opportunities, threats. as with everything in life that's new. but but here's the really important question . i think from important question. i think from a uk perspective. there you are at essex university. where are we as a country in terms of knowledge, education, engineers? are we are we as a country making a play for this or being left behind? >> no. uk is a world leader in this kind of. is it really? yeah. and the business opportunities we have got in the country in general is country for al in general is growing as our government is growing and as our government is putting huge amount of funding and and there a lot

and support and there is a lot of start—ups which are leading the way worldwide, i'm surprised because would have thought because i would have thought with always think west with tech we always think west coast america, global coast of america, giant global corporations , ai is different corporations, ai is different because i you just need to have a solid academic base and the ability for this to be converting this to software software industry is easier. and i think the uk has been always at the forefront of this really interesting. >> well, i have to say, professor hargreaves, thank you for coming in and giving us. and i think, folks, that was a really quite cool, logical explanation of what it is , what explanation of what it is, what goodit explanation of what it is, what good it can do and what potential harm it can do also. but i was actually, i've got to say, at the end there, rather cheered up to hear that at least we're world leader in something and that's really rather important in a moment, i'm going to introduce you to an australian senator who led the no campaign in the recent referendum . yep. and i sat down referendum. yep. and i sat down with jacinta price. got to tell you , she is massively

you, she is massively impressive. she's got a big future in australian politics. all of that in just a moment

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> three weeks ago in australia there was a national referendum. it was called the voice. it was brought in by the labour prime minister. albanese and the idea was that that aboriginals and torres straits communities would have their own separate voice on any legislation that was being put before the australian parliament. this all part of australia's guilt trip about its history and it seemed that it would pass because after all, anything you do in the name of increasing rights, anything you do in the name of diversity surely must be a very good thing

. the fact that it meant actually a form of segregation in of dividing out and of giving certain racial groups in australia more rights than everybody else. and remember, actually in percentage terms, those of an aboriginal background are well represented in the australian parliament already. but the great and the good came out in favour. qantas the airline had vote yes all over their aeroplanes. the big banks, well of course they came out in favour of yes, other big corporations, big media organisations, newspapers all saying vote yes . it seemed at saying vote yes. it seemed at one point very early on before the referendum was really in full swing that yes, was going to get 65 to 75% of the vote. and then people started to hear the arguments . people started to the arguments. people started to hear the logic . people started hear the logic. people started to hear how, frankly dangerous it is to treat the citizens of one country differently , to

one country differently, to segregate them in terms of their rights on the basis of their race. but there was one absolute superstar in this referendum and she came out of nowhere very she recently elected to the australian senate . she comes australian senate. she comes from the northern territories. her mother was an aborigine. i mean, and she really came i mean, and she really came i mean, genuinely aborigine, not modernised in any sense at all. and senator jacinta price just set this whole debate on fire. i was very pleased to be able to meet her earlier on this afternoon here she is, senator jacinta price. suddenly australia has a referendum and theissue australia has a referendum and the issue may be different, but the issue may be different, but the dividing lines were the same . this was a little bit like the brexit campaign, wasn't it? because anyone that dared to support the no campaign were called nasty names. they were racists . they were all of these racists. they were all of these things . but racists. they were all of these things. but you suddenly found

yourself and it was really your maiden speech, wasn't it? in the senate and in the senate therein. perhaps not particularly friendly territory of canberra that was really the beginning of you as a national figure in australia, wasn't it? >> yes , i think so. figure in australia, wasn't it? >> yes , i think so . you know, >> yes, i think so. you know, this concept that oh well, the corporates know better than the rest of australia, australians in general don't like to be told how to vote , how to think and how to vote, how to think and all of those sorts of things, but also so, you know, the virtue signalling nothing virtue signalling does nothing for anybody. it doesn't do anything at all. and suggesting that i'm a victim because of my racial heritage is a racial stereotype that i will not allow to continue to be peddled . and to continue to be peddled. and so the voice was based on that . so the voice was based on that. the way, you know, the virtuous would stand up and the corporate australia thought, we know what's for best our poor indigenous people. therefore we are going to pour our resources behind the yes campaign . you

behind the yes campaign. you know, was was continuing to peddle the victimisation narrative and, and australians wouldn't, you know , don't want wouldn't, you know, don't want a bar of it. >> you get the speech and you go from being somebody who's reasonably well known in the sort of , in reasonably well known in the sort of, in some ways quite remote . i'm not being insulting remote. i'm not being insulting in the northern territories, but let's be frank, it is remote, it is very remote in every sense. and you travelling right across the country to canberra and suddenly overnight you're a national figure overnight, right? you are seen as one of the leaders, if not the primary voice in the no campaign. how did you deal with that sort of incredible transformation of your life and the abuse that came with it? >> well, i mean, i guess over the years, the abuse was nothing unfamiliar to me. i have spoken out on issues of domestic and family violence and acted against it and tried to highlight very real issues in remote communities and i've, you know, received pushback from that. so the abuse was nothing new. it was while at times

exhausting , also an incredible exhausting, also an incredible privilege to be able to travel the country, greet audiences as across the nation of people who were who were feeling like they wanted to do the right thing for indigenous australians, but felt this wasn't way to do it and this wasn't the way to do it and just needed the encouragement to understand it was okay to understand that it was okay to vote no. really wanted to vote no. and i really wanted to ignite a sense of the australian spirit again within our country , spirit again within our country, to be proud, to call ourselves australian because we can't begin to resolve our issues until there is that sense of national pride . and that became national pride. and that became more prevalent towards the end of the campaign . of the campaign. >> closer to it became the referendum . say it didn't it? referendum. say it didn't it? >> it did, yeah. and audience and you love and you loved every minute of it, didn't you? well, ihave minute of it, didn't you? well, i have a life on stage. >> you come on. in a former life, you know, as a singer songwriter and various other forms of the arts, you've always been a performer. >> i've always been a performer. and so on on before

and so being on on before audiences , you know, about audiences was, you know, about also feeding off the energy of the audience and knowing that australians were also becoming more emboldened, more encouraged , that sense of unity was , and that sense of unity was growing. so you know, that really drove me through to, to the final stages of the referendum. >> now, the result was emphatic and decisive and emphatic. it probably means that albanese dare not have another constitutional referendum on the monarchy or any other question and maybe at some point in the future, australia debates that. but for now that's gone . i future, australia debates that. but for now that's gone. i think it's off the table. what does it mean? because i mean we had our brexit referendum , the country brexit referendum, the country loved it, parliament hated it. they tried to frustrate us. we had to win it more than once. in the end, it led to a quite a big political shift. yes. you know , political shift. yes. you know, i got a huge amount of support for the brexit party that led on to the conservatives winning a big election. yeah. what is the likely, if any, in your opinion , likely, if any, in your opinion, impact of this referendum result

on the next australian general election? >> well , i election? >> well, i think the prime minister has to sit up and take note of what's occurred and i don't think he has to this point and i don't think the proponents of the yes campaign have done so either . they belong to either. they belong to a grievance industry that believe that they are morally right and that they are morally right and that they are continuing to try to push their way of doing things on the australian people . things on the australian people. and i think this will, you know, the australian people will continue to push back on that at and want for common sense ways fonnard . well there she is, fonnard. well there she is, senator jacinta price. >> tell you what, she's warm, she's logical. she's going to go a long way in australian politics. and really that referendum was their brexit moment. beat the very same moment. they beat the very same people that brexiteers beat in this country and all i can say is well done. them now is jolly well done. them now what the farage moment it is that time of the year when collins dictionary announce new words that are going into their

dictionary . words that are going into their dictionary. top of the words that are going into their dictionary . top of the list, of dictionary. top of the list, of course, is i much talked about and i hope hopefully after earlier somewhat better understood by this audience . but understood by this audience. but i'm really quite pleased. i'm proud of something because when i said that in the summer that i'd been debunked , debunked. you i'd been debunked, debunked. you are no one's ever heard of that term. i mean, what's he done? invented a word? well i've got to tell you, with some source of pride that de—banking is now in the collins dictionary. one of the collins dictionary. one of the new words that has been recognised. and they've given it to a very accurate description. so there we are. de—banking is now a mainstream word in the british language . now they've british language. now they've done it, of course, to cigarettes . yes. and you've got cigarettes. yes. and you've got calories on menus and threats of warnings on bottles of wine . but warnings on bottles of wine. but now there's a campaign. now there's a campaign that if we buy packaged meat, there should be health warnings on it. i'm beginning to give up. why can't they simply leave us all alone ?

they simply leave us all alone? well, tam fry from the national obesity forum is coming on in a moment to try and convince me.

now not for the first time we've got tam fry, who's chairman of the national obesity forum on this program. and the reason is , this program. and the reason is, i think tam is right to lead this campaign. i obesity this campaign. i think obesity is increasingly becoming an absolutely chronic desperate problem in society, especially in our youth. and it's going to lead to, goodness knows what health consequences is down the road. so i'm normally a big supporter and fan of stuff that tam fights for. but tam, you know , we've got cigarette know, we've got cigarette packets that started off with warnings , then with graphic warnings, then with graphic pictures and now sold in plain packaging . and we're even packaging. and we're even assaulted now in restaurants with a number of calories that

might be in a dish. i just don't want to know. we're looking at warnings on wine bottles , but warnings on wine bottles, but i've kind of worked it out. if i dnnk i've kind of worked it out. if i drink more than two bottles, i'm going to feel pretty rotten in the morning. and now now, you know, if i get to the butchers and i want to buy some bacon and sausages, i might it's sausages, i might find that it's wrapped a package with a wrapped up in a package with a graphic description the graphic description of the silent killer dangers of buying meat. and i kind of get to the point of thinking that, yes, of course we want the nation to have better health. we're worried about obesity , but maybe worried about obesity, but maybe we're getting a bit sick of big brother telling us what we can and can't do. >> well, i don't see things that way, i de—banking if i may , way, and i de—banking if i may, we have warnings about fat , salt we have warnings about fat, salt and sugar all three of those either separately or in tandem, engender obesity and then the other diseases which come after obesity. i don't think you're going to see this wrapped up in

cellophane with a big warning sign. you don't know. i think it'll be a positive reminder that that if you eat too much meat or demand too much meat, you're doing two things. first of all, you're putting your health in some danger because there's been a lot of research which goes to show that meat engenders obesity. but also there is the fact of the climate change and we spend millions of acres and millions of pounds rearing cattle that exude methane gas , and that is doing methane gas, and that is doing nobody any good at all. now, i'm not i'm not going to take battle with you because in a sense , i with you because in a sense, i would hate myself to see wrapping up paper saying this, this , this, this meat will this, this, this meat will poison you. so what will we be doing then ? doing then? >> pardon me if we don't do that, how do we get these warnings? >> well, i think there is a

subtle warning. if you will, and thatis subtle warning. if you will, and that is just a card somewhere in the butcher shop or in the supermarket , the butcher shop or in the supermarket, which says factually only meat is not the best thing for you. red meat, particularly obe and processed meat particularly . yeah. meat particularly. yeah. >> interestingly, one of the new terms in the collins dictionary is ultra processed meat because this gets talked about as well. >> meats de—banking . >> meats de—banking. >> meats de—banking. >> yeah, well it depends, but now we are told constantly that ultra processed meat is even worse for us. we're told that cured bacon is really bad for us in excess , in excess, in excess. in excess, in excess, in excess. so how do we measure? how do we measure what is a sensible in your view, a sensible amount of meat or processed meat for people to eat? >> well, i think there's a very simple answer to that. and that is the who, the world health organisation, ocean, followed by the department of health, says you can eat so much saturated

fat, you can eat so much unsaturated fat and that should be your limit. and both those limits are way, way down from what we were eating at the moment. so simply go on the net, find out exactly in terms of processed meat and in terms of real meat, how much is recommended by the world health authority. they've spent a lot of time. yeah, well , there are of time. yeah, well, there are 1 or 2 sceptics around here, but, you know, certainly over the pandemic . pandemic. >> i mean, but, but, but tam, i just sort of worry about this. you know, are we going to spend our lives looking at everything we eat and drink and worrying or is there not with people that have brought up through an education system that teaches them and sensibly about them properly and sensibly about these things ? isn't it really these things? isn't it really ultimately only about people applying common sense? >> it's about people applying common sense. and you've touched on education, education is fundamental to all of this . you fundamental to all of this. you do not need once you've been

taught the rudiments of good eating, healthy eating and lifestyle, you don't need it rammed down your throat because if you do, then people will take the exact opposite and do whatever. yeah. so so, so my view would be what the government should be doing is listening to these durham scientists who are very reputable people and trialling it. now, there's nothing wrong in trialling it. just just see how it works. >> well, yeah, but whenever government says we're going to put a warning on something and it's a trial, it always stays forever, doesn't it? >> well, i think the >> well, i think that's the problem government and i have problem of government and i have no time for government. but if you if you say, right, we're going to have a little trial for six months, just like any other medical trial that goes on, and then we're going to review it with with a proper body looking at it. if people say, hey, this is a good idea , then the is a good idea, then the government has got this surety that the public actually approves of. if people turn around and throw it away and

debunk it, the government will say, that's it, final thought on this. >> i know quite a lot of people who live on takeaways because they can't cook, correct? they've never learnt to cook. >> and i know that leanders they've never been taught to cook. >> lee anderson, the mp, made this point about obesity and his constituents up in nottinghamshire that a of nottinghamshire that a lot of people eating because people were eating junk because they know how to cook. they didn't know how to cook. should everyone should we teach everyone at school yes. yeah school how to cook? yes. yeah >> and that's been written in by henry dimbleby who? yes produced this for the this document for the government, which the government threw away, which is very stupid, but he said there is absolutely no reason that jamie oliver would agree that when you go to primary school, i.e. you're out of the pre—school element, you go to primary school , you have cookery lessons school, you have cookery lessons and you teach yourself how to cook 14 basic dishes before you get to the age of 14. and that will set you up with all the parameters of healthy and unhealthy food . and you're

unhealthy food. and you're learning it at the right time. >> tell you what, we'll finish up on that strong note of agreement. thank you very much, jacob. that made sense at the end. but i do worry jacob, about governments putting health warnings calories on things warnings and calories on things and we're going and whether we're not going a bit too with all of this. bit too far with all of this. >> the health warnings >> i think the health warnings are because beef in >> i think the health warnings are of because beef in >> i think the health warnings are of itself because beef in >> i think the health warnings are of itself is jecause beef in >> i think the health warnings are of itself is not use beef in >> i think the health warnings are of itself is not bad beef in >> i think the health warnings are of itself is not bad forf in and of itself is not bad for you. nor is pork, nor is lamb. et cetera. eating far too much is bad for you. and so i think it's just dishonest to say that meat for you. well what meat is bad for you. well what we'll to what they come we'll have to see what they come up with. >> we'll have to see what the former wording and if they former wording is. and if they do say too much this do indeed say too much of this excess of is bad for you, excess of this is bad for you, then might okay, now, then we might say, okay, now, jacob, been with the jacob, you've been with the former australian prime minister, tony abbott. >> really interesting >> i have really interesting interview with tony abbott. he explains deal explains how he managed to deal with migration in with illegal migration in australia was prime australia when he was prime minister. turned boats minister. he turned the boats back. and he'll be able minister. he turned the boats baexplain and he'll be able minister. he turned the boats baexplain if and he'll be able minister. he turned the boats baexplain if we:i he'll be able minister. he turned the boats baexplain if we can'll be able minister. he turned the boats baexplain if we can do je able minister. he turned the boats ba explain if we can do the ble to explain if we can do the same. and we're also discussing israel—palestine he's got same. and we're also discussing israeiexperience he's got same. and we're also discussing israeiexperience as he's got same. and we're also discussing israeiexperience as a he's got same. and we're also discussing israeiexperience as a global)t such experience as a global statesman and understands the problem sharing his problem and we'll be sharing his knowledge problem and we'll be sharing his knoyeah,je thought the

>> yeah, i thought the statement, the interview with the hamas leader that we saw this saying, you know, this morning saying, you know, we'll repeat the 7th we'll repeat october the 7th again and again until again and again and again until we annihilate israel . rail i saw we annihilate israel. rail i saw even some people who i wouldn't normally agree with politically saying, does saying, well, actually this does show the israelis have got to do this job horrible, though it is. >> they've no choice. >> they've got no choice. >> they've got no choice. >> got no choice . jacob, >> they've got no choice. jacob, ihave >> they've got no choice. jacob, i have also talked about the police. just very quickly , a police. just very quickly, a growing perception that the police are applying the rules unfairly. >> i was very impressed by the chief constable of greater manchester who apologised for a mistake . isn't this refreshing mistake. isn't this refreshing when somebody in high office, particularly in the police, says, look, we got it wrong this time, we won't get it wrong again? and i think the metropolitan police could learn from that because their default is to close ranks and say we've done nothing wrong . move along, please. >> i agree with that . well, >> i agree with that. well, we'll wait and see. now now, don't go walk your dog early tomorrow morning on the south coast because storm kieran is on

its way . its way. >> hi there . welcome to the met >> hi there. welcome to the met office forecast for gb news. this is aidan mcgivern storm. kieran won't affect everyone, but in places it will bring spells of rain and disruptive or even damaging and dangerous winds . it's predominantly going winds. it's predominantly going to affect northern france, parts of france into the channel islands, southern parts of the uk. the wet and windy weather sweeping in overnight. uk. the wet and windy weather sweeping in overnight . the sweeping in overnight. the heaviest rain affecting wales in the west initially before moving into rest of england and into the rest of england and southern scotland. by the end of the night, winds the night, the winds strengthening, peaking around southwestern during the southwestern shores during the early hours with the risk of 70 or even 80 plus mile per hour gusts and it's certainly going to be a very blustery start to thursday. the strongest of the winds transfer along the coast to affect southeastern parts of england into the afternoon and again around coastal areas . 80 again around coastal areas. 80 mile per hour wind gusts are a possibility or even more than that in some of the most exposed parts inland, 60 mile per hour

wind gusts. so the risk of damaging wind gusts in places, dangerous coastal conditions and disruption transport. but disruption to transport. but elsewhere across the uk, actually , it's a blustery day. actually, it's a blustery day. however, the strongest of the winds will be across southern areas and then into friday. sunshine and showers for many as kieran moves through again . a kieran moves through again. a gusty day for northeastern parts , but the wet weather easing to showers . and this weekend we'll showers. and this weekend we'll see a spell of rain move in across southern parts of the uk, clearing to showers later

>> hello . good evening. it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight i'll be bringing you a double helping of former australian prime minister tony abbott. the man who did the impossible, the who impossible, the man who stopped the boats . the boats. >> i can remember seeing on the front page of our newspaper in early 2014 a big orange life raft washed up on a beach of java.it raft washed up on a beach of java. it was the whole front

page photo and i thought, we've won this because the message will go out loud and clear to the people smugglers and their clients. the way is closed. we'll be touching on everything from the aukus deal to brexit hormone treated australian beef. >> but most importantly , i'll be >> but most importantly, i'll be asking him about the challenge to western values from iran, russia and china. >> so these are very dangerous times for democracies and it's important that not only that we be as militarily prepared as we can be. it's also important that we look at these things with moral clarity . and that's what's moral clarity. and that's what's been completely absent on the streets of london, on the streets of london, on the streets of london, on the streets of britain, continue to react to events in the middle east as the rafah crossing on gaza's border opens up for select foreign nationals, including some british citizens. >> liverpool street station finds itself invaded by palestine protesters . as i'll be palestine protesters. as i'll be asking my panel what this means for britain's social cohesion. meanwhile, michael gove has lambasted did what he calls the