to fix the north, he is the man to fix the north, is he? and what would that take? do we even need fixing and saving? you tell me. and the guy that stalked and murdered xena, elena, has basically today been successful in having his minimum jail term reduced. let me ask you this, though, right? when you this, though, right? when you get a life sentence, why is there such a thing even as a minimum term? surely life should mean life, should it not? and according to a poll, lots of us now think that the culture war is a made up thing. in order for political gain. are you one of those people that thinks that? and if so, why? get in touch and tell . yes, indeed. that is tell me. yes, indeed. that is all to come within the next houn all to come within the next hour. lots of debate. and i'm for one, i'm very much looking fonnard to it. but before we get stuck into all that, let's cross live for tonight's latest headunes. headlines. >> good evening. your top

stories from the gb newsroom. the prime minister says plans by some groups to protest during remembrance commemorations are provocative and disrespect full in a statement. rishi sunak said the right to remember in peace and dignity must be protected . and dignity must be protected. added labour leader sir keir starmer echoed the comments, saying he supports the police in whatever action is needed. it comes after reports of plans by demonstrators to march during remembrance events calling for a ceasefire in the israel—hamas war. foreign secretary james cleverly says the focus should remain on remembrance . remain on remembrance. >> as our traditional british culture is to ask of people that they conduct themselves appropriately and that they make personal decisions , ones that personal decisions, ones that reflect the broader needs of society . of course, if we need society. of course, if we need to take action, we are not afraid to do so. but what we have said is people should reflect on what armistice day

and remembrance sunday is about and remembrance sunday is about and to respect that . and to respect that. >> the israeli military has confirmed 260 idf troops have been wounded in the fighting in gaza. been wounded in the fighting in gaza . people in the north of the gaza. people in the north of the enclave have been facing intense bombardment at. the israeli prime minister says there will be no pause in fighting until more than 240 hostages are freed by hamas. it comes as the us secretary of state has been meeting with benjamin netanyahu to discuss steps to minimise civilian casualties . antony civilian casualties. antony blinken said a humanitarian pause was important to help get aid into the strip . scotland's aid into the strip. scotland's first minister, humza yousaf, says his family has been able to leave gaza through the rafah crossing . they're among 92 crossing. they're among 92 british nationals trapped in the enclave that as proved to travel through into egypt today as the border opens again for limited evacuations. palestinian officials say more than 700 foreign nationals have crossed

in the past two days, including dozens of critically injured people . meanwhile, the media people. meanwhile, the media have reportedly come under a hamas rocket attack on the gaza border. it appears the rocket impacted an empty nursery next to the bomb shelter which members of the media were running to . there were no running to. there were no serious injuries as we know it, but vehicles were damaged and the rocket could be seen in the playground of the nursery. our security editor, mark white, is at the gaza border. gaza border. >> running into to the >> we were running into to the bomb shelter which is just here, really . and the rocket has really. and the rocket has impacted . and just as we were impacted. and just as we were getting into the nursery itself, you can see hopefully through there , the small crater in the there, the small crater in the ground there as the personnel from the local sort of policing unit deals with that . so the unit deals with that. so the question now, i guess , is really

question now, i guess, is really was this a deliberate targeting of the media? because the media have been at this location for some time , obviously reporting some time, obviously reporting live on what has happened. so clearly, the concern is perhaps the media have been deliberately targeted . so some real concern targeted. so some real concern here in sderot at what has just happened, a rocket attack coming from northern gaza and here we just really had seconds to try to get to . to get to. >> the women have been charged under the terrorism act after images of paragliders were displayed at a pro—palestinian march in central london. 29 year old hiba al and 26 year old pauune old hiba al and 26 year old pauline ankunda are accused of carrying or displaying an article to arouse suspicion. their supporters of the terrorist group hamas . the terrorist group hamas. the incident occurred last month . incident occurred last month. they've both been bailed and they'll appear at westminster's magistrates court on the 10th of november. conserve mp bob

stewart has been found guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence. the beckenham mp racially abused a man after he allegedly told him to go back to bahrain. outside the foreign office last december . he also office last december. he also told him, you're taking money off my country and to go away. the chief magistrate said stewart will not be jailed and zahra alina's family have described the reduction of her killer's sentence as a shallow triumph, which sends a disheartening message to women . disheartening message to women. jordan mcsweeney killed the 35 year old law graduate as she walked home from a night out in east london last june. walked home from a night out in east london lastjune. mick sweeney, who refused to attend his sentencing hearing last december, was handed a 38 year life sentence case. the court of appeal ruled that was too high and reduced it to 33 years. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to .

michelle >> hello there i am. michelle dewberry 7:00 alongside me, my friday favourites. can't shake them off. i do. i think it's the free beer that keeps drawing them back. it's the conservative life peer in the house of lords daniel moylan and the writer and trade unionist paul embery. we didn't issue the signed picture of last time. do remember we of you last time. do remember we did the sweepstake. >> we did? yeah. we'll have to. we'll have to put that right. i don't know how worth a lot of money. one day. >> i don't know how keen people were the photograph. were on the actual photograph. i don't know why i'm saying i say i don't know. not me. i'm i don't know. it's not me. i'm saying nothing. but saying absolutely nothing. but we issue was we didn't issue it. there was not much call. >> queuing out >> yes, they were queuing out the when i left the the block when i left the studio, i have to say, because i thought you were harry. >> probably they probably thought harry. know thought you were harry. you know the you? you the drill, don't you? you can get touch with all the get in touch with me all the usual vaiews@gbnews.com usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is reach me. you can is how you reach me. or you can tweet me at gb news. lots coming

your zara aleena. your way. that's zara aleena. i've just been talking about that the headlines that in the headlines there. what that? i'm what do you make of that? i'm having his tariff reduced. i've got to remind you, the guy couldn't bothered to go couldn't even be bothered to go and his sentencing. he and attend his sentencing. is he also an appeal and attend his sentencing. is he also previously. an appeal and attend his sentencing. is he also previously. bit appeal and attend his sentencing. is he also previously. bit of)peal and attend his sentencing. is he also previously. bit of aeal hearing previously. bit of a wrong'un, if you ask me. and if you get sentenced to life, shouldn't mean life? shouldn't life just mean life? why messing around with why we're messing around with minimum the first minimum tariffs in the first place? to that place? i'll be coming on to that in little a little while. but in a little a little while. but first, i want to talk you first, i want to talk to you about rishi when is he about rishi sunak. when is he not in trouble, quite frankly? let's listen to what had to let's listen to what he had to say. upset people today. say. that's upset people today. >> transpose that >> how do you transpose that culture from places like silicon valley across the world where people give up people are unafraid to give up the security a regular the security of a regular paycheque to go and start something and be comfortable with failure ? with failure? >> yeah, i mean, literally , he >> yeah, i mean, literally, he really has upset a lot of people. i'll show you jonathan ashworth's response to that in a second. but basically people are saying that rishi is massively out of touch and that this is quite offensive, suggesting that in of living crisis,

in a cost of living crisis, people should give up their paycheque rest of paycheque and all the rest of it. you think that's fair it. do you think that's fair criticism ? criticism? >> it's complete >> i think it's complete nonsense. there are always people are going out people who are going to go out and want work for themselves. and want to work for themselves. doesn't everybody going doesn't suit everybody going to work themselves. the work for themselves. and the idea know, this idea idea for, you know, this idea what i disagree with about what i disagree with him about is idea of a secure is this idea of a secure paycheque i paycheque when i started, i started in self—employed 30 started up in self—employed 30 years ago, and i thought, i'm giving up a secure paycheque. and of course, what do i have ? i and of course, what do i have? i actually have the right to a month's notice. that's all the secure paycheque actually is. whereas start up in whereas once you start up in business and you start getting a pipeline of work coming at you , pipeline of work coming at you, i could i could, you know, i could see, i could, you know, after bit could see i could after a bit i could see i could live for the next 6 or 8 months on this. i don't have to worry. i don't know any plumbers, self—employed who self—employed plumbers who are worried self—employed plumbers who are wonout work in a month's run out of work in a month's time. but so this idea that, you know, you're giving up secure know, you're giving up a secure paycheque, you're up paycheque, you're giving up a month's period to have month's notice period to have a chance to something that chance to do something that might rewarding for you. might be more rewarding for you. and be encouraged to

and you should be encouraged to do it. what's wrong with that? let's what jonathan let's look at what jonathan ashworth if i can ashworth had to say, if i can bnng ashworth had to say, if i can bring up on twitter or as we bring it up on twitter or as we now call it. >> i think if we got that , i >> i think if we got that, i shall bring it up. yep. there you go. he's asking how out of touch is rishi sunak? after 13 years of the tories, the public are enduring the worst cost of living crisis in memory and he is spending his time telling elon musk that he wishes they would up jobs and would all give up their jobs and be to fail. he hasn't got be ready to fail. he hasn't got a clue . see, i read that and a clue. see, i read that and i just think pack it in, misrepresenting things. he doesn't want everyone to feel . doesn't want everyone to feel. what he was talking about is there is a culture america. there is a culture in america. i worked in an american accent. the american dream, where people are are, you know, very confident , are are, you know, very confident, think that they're. yeah, you know what? i'll take that chance. i'll do that that business. when or if they business. and when or if they fail people in america don't laugh failure. don't go, laugh at failure. they don't go, oh, loser. they get oh, what a loser. they get inspired by failure because they go. lisa tried. lisa had a go. now let have a crack. let me now let me have a crack. let me try and it. and actually keep try and do it. and actually keep

going. keep going you do succeed. >> and i think the problem was he talked about it in such a way that the tone was like it's just so easy. easy thing to so easy. it's an easy thing to do. look, give up the security of your monthly paycheque and go and a business and you and start a business and you know what? if it fails, who cares? sort of pick up cares? just sort of pick up where you're left well, it where you're left off. well, it goes some way with what daniel says , but. but i think it is says, but. but i think it is slightly tone deaf because when you are somebody who is worth what's worth? 732 million or what's he worth? 732 million or something like that, slightly less than daniel. know when less than daniel. i know when you're worth that kind of amount of money, then of course it is easy to say, oh, look, let's try that , let's try easy to say, oh, look, let's try that, let's try this. because, you know, if i fail, i'm not going to struggle to pay my mortgage. not to mortgage. i'm not going to struggle on the struggle to put food on the table for my kids and to kind of be that tone deaf during a cost of living crisis where people really are struggling to make ends meet, where real wages are falling, where we're in the tightest wage squeeze in this country since napoleonic times,

i think there is an element of tone deafness about it and i would like to see you're always going to need employees. let's be clear about that. we can't all be self employed, small businessmen or business women. you're always going to need people working production people working on production lines, working in lines, people working in accounts people accounts departments, people working for the emergency services and the public sector, and that kind of thing. and we should perhaps focus on that a little bit more and talk about getting their wages up and talking about improving their conditions to society. >> the tone deaf. i don't really buy this deaf stuff because buy this tone deaf stuff because i think people that i just think that's people that want offended. you can't want to be offended. you can't say these or you say anything these days or you can't because those can't say that because those people over there that are struggling, can't this. struggling, you can't do this. you that. is it tone you can't do that. is it tone deaf? am i wrong? >> completely, totally >> i've completely, totally failed understand this failed to understand what this argument and i will argument is about. and i will disagree with the prime disagree also with the prime minister on minister and you a little bit on this. is not just an this. this is not just an american thing. there people american thing. there are people in who are in this country who are entrepreneurial well. it's entrepreneurial as well. it's not something we have to copy from them. a great from them. we have a great tradition people working for

tradition of people working for themselves, setting up their own businesses well. and businesses here as well. and they risks, of they do take some risks, of course, isn't for everyone course, it isn't for everyone and it does partly on and it does depend partly on your in life. if you're your stage in life. if you're married three children, you married with three children, you have it may not have a mortgage. it may not be the best if you're a bit the best bet if you're a bit younger and you've got different chances, this is different chances, this is a different exposures this might exposures and risks. this might be to do we should be the time to do it. we should be the time to do it. we should be encouraging it. that's all he was saying. how do we encourage it i'll give an it more? and i'll give him an answer as how you can answer as well, how you can encourage more. could encourage it more. you could stop. and customs stop. hm revenue and customs cracking self—employed cracking down on self—employed people were people as if they were criminals, what they criminals, which is what they what to and you what they tend to do. and you should give people more encouragement tax system. >> but come on, daniel rishi sunak sees undeniable. he has nothing do with sunak, nothing to do with rishi sunak, who not worth 700 billion. who is not worth 700 billion. >> he's worth 700 billion. >> he's not worth 700 billion. you know, that's his wife's money. you you want to mix that altogether? he's worth about him . i don't know how much he's worth, but no way working in a bank. did he earn 700 million? >> well, if it's his wife's money, i mean, if. >> if it doesn't matter. >> if it doesn't matter. >> you're married. it's your wealth as well. our

wealth as well. that's our marriage work. but marriage tends to work. but look, sees world through look, he sees the world through the rich capitalist. the lens of a rich capitalist. now, i'm not necessarily kind of decrying that, but decrying him for that, but that's true . you know, he sees that's true. you know, he sees the through people who are the world through people who are worth through the lens people worth through the lens of people who a lot of money, who are worth a lot of money, who are worth a lot of money, who business who are who are business owners, who are owners capital. so i would owners of capital. so i would like to see rishi sunak talk a little bit more. and i don't think does it anywhere think he does it anywhere near enough about who are enough about people who are genuinely struggling, working class people , people who are in class people, people who are in transient , precarious transient, precarious employment, people on zero hours contracts. and the moment he does that, the moment he does that you say the moment he does that, you say, how can he have any empathy with them? >> he's a rich who owns >> because he's a rich who owns 700 million? >> sorry, tom, let me ask you, just sure he can't win just making sure he can't win completely made up. >> just make this stuff up, >> you just make this stuff up, you know, no idea how he sees the world. it's not you're not inside second. the world. it's not you're not insiwell, second. the world. it's not you're not insiwell, if second. the world. it's not you're not insiwell, if thatecond. the world. it's not you're not insiwell, if that were]. the world. it's not you're not insiwell, if that were the case, >> well, if that were the case, then would never, ever cast a then we would never, ever cast a view on any politician. i mean, i'm sure you've. i'm sure. i'm sure you've. he'd say how

sure you've. he'd say what? how do you invent? do what you invent? >> no. >> no. >> talk over other. you. >> talk over each other. you. because people at home won't be able me ask you able to hear. let me ask you this. would you be happier if the prime minister was , um, i the prime minister was, um, i don't know, like a minimum wage struggling young, single dad . so struggling young, single dad. so that then you feel that he can now represent those people ? now represent those people? because it seems to me a little bit like a lot of people will almost envy rishi sunak success. feel that he can't have his role because how can he relate to the common man if he's so wealthy? whereas actually i think it's pretty good that someone that is successful, that trodden successful, that has trodden that path, has high office. >> i mean, i'm not attacking him as an individual, as a as a person, of course. but equally he i think if you earn wealth, you earn an income which is in a different stratosphere to the average person on the street , average person on the street, then by definition it's difficult to have empathy with the daily stresses and strains and struggles that the average person is going through. and i think the second thing actually

is that, you know, grotesque inequalities in wealth and income , which is what we've got income, which is what we've got income, which is what we've got in this country at the moment, are not only morally repugnant, but actually they're not good in terms of economic performance. all of the international data shows that widening inequality is are accompanied by a reduced economic performance. i don't like to see vast disparities in wealth between the rishi sunak who are worth multi—millions and the ordinary, ordinary , average the ordinary, ordinary, average person. i don't think that's healthy for well, let me ask you, the ordinary average person that's this, does it that's watching this, does it bother how much money the bother you how much money the prime minister is worth? >> feel he can steward >> do you feel he can steward this country properly because he can't connect to some of you guys? of us guys get in guys? some of us guys get in touch and tell me, but also i'll tell you, elon musk was speaking out last night. i'll out as well last night. i'll play out as well last night. i'll play you what had say. play you what he had to say. >> there will come a point where no job is needed. you can have a job if you want to have a job. what sort of personal satisfaction? but the i will be

able to do everything . able to do everything. >> would you if you didn't need to work, would you still, do you think, go out and work? >> i think i would, but i don't think this situation is ever going to arise . i don't you going to arise. i don't you know, i just don't believe this is this is the way it's going to work. is, know, people work. there is, you know, people work. there is, you know, people work in order to work at things in order to generate value. what constitutes value changes from time to time . value changes from time to time. if you can have value in manufactured goods produced by robots, then you'll move on to have value in something else and people will want things. there are services , you know, things are services, you know, things you get now that you wouldn't have had 20 or 30 years ago. and people business value people generate business value out because people out of them because people are willing them and willing to pay for them and they've the income to so . they've got the income to do so. so i think it moves on and people people create value in different spheres of life . and different spheres of life. and by doing things for other people, it'd be much more services oriented. but i still think there'd be lots of jobs to do . do. >> do you do you think ai is going to take over all the jobs and if so, would you work if you

didn't financially have to? >> i work. i think work is >> i would work. i think work is a good thing. i think it gives you self discipline, self respect, self gives you respect, self esteem, gives you the contributing the feeling you're contributing to you self to society. it gives you self worth . you forge lifelong worth. you forge lifelong friendships in the in the workplace . so i'd like to friendships in the in the workplace. so i'd like to think i would probably do that anyway . i would probably do that anyway. i would probably do that anyway. i mean, elon musk, i think is wrong to say that there will be there will be no jobs. i think what can happen with artificial intelligence is, in fact it like technology, often does new technology, often does new technology coming on stream. it can spark new industries often and spark new jobs . the idea and spark new jobs. the idea that we're all going to have loads of leisure time i think is fanciful. in fact, people , if fanciful. in fact, people, if you go back to the industrial revolution, people said the same thing, oh, we've got all this wonderful machinery now that can that can take the place of human laboun that can take the place of human labour. we'll all have this extra leisure people said extra leisure time. people said it recently with the advent it more recently with the advent of the internet and email and things like and if things like that. and if anything, people are

anything, actually people are working because with working harder because with technology the email , technology now, with the email, your boss has got you on the beach italy your for your beach in italy for your for your holiday. i don't think holiday. so i don't think there's any evidence that the advance of technology in the sort society that live in sort of society that we live in gives leisure time. in gives us more leisure time. in fact, often the opposite is true. >> lots of lead is getting in touch, telling me that they have their own businesses . i like their own businesses. i like that tracy in somerset, she says , i've just started a new business, but i have to confess i am single. she says she couldn't have done it. she doesn't feel if she had a family, she said she perhaps couldn't have taken that risk. so says 12 years ago i left my job to set up my own business. it was challenging. that's not the way she wears it, but i'll wear it differently for tele. it was challenging for a while, she says. but i've never looked back. that's sue in lancashire. i like that. one of the things that i often wonder we ask about get do think? and get up and go do you think? and i'll it to you guys to i'll leave it to you guys to ponder at home, do you think that you can teach somebody like

get go? ask you get up and go? i'll ask you actually, think you can actually, do you think you can do is it something that's just in you or is it something that can taught? can be taught? >> i think absolutely. >> oh, i think absolutely. it can some people don't can be. and some people don't want up and go, and want to get up and go, and that's people want that's fair. some people want the job where they turn the regular job where they turn up they're happy to do it up and they're happy to do it and they get paid and they're satisfied with routine. and satisfied with the routine. and that's fine for the that's absolutely fine for the people that. i people who want that. but i certainly think the people who people who want that. but i cerwant' think the people who people who want that. but i cerwant t0|ink the people who people who want that. but i cerwant to give he people who people who want that. but i cerwant to give its people who people who want that. but i cerwant to give it a|eople who people who want that. but i cerwant to give it a g0)le who people who want that. but i cerwant to give it a go are nho do want to give it a go are people often who can people very often who can be helped encouraged, mentored. helped in encouraged, mentored. and are lots of things you and there are lots of things you can do to get on that can do to get them on that path. yeah >> open you. what >> alfred, open to you. what do you i always thought you think? i i've always thought maybe to have a why. maybe you've got to have a why. if you've got a why, a purpose, something that drives you, something that when times are really a why? really hard, you've got a why? well, got to keep going for well, i've got to keep going for that. i've got to keep going for that. i've got to keep going for that. but do you reckon you can get up and go from a book, get get up and go from a book, from a course, from a mentor or get touch? let me your get in touch? let me know your thoughts on also thoughts on that. also keir starmer. been talking starmer. he has been talking the big talk when it comes to how he is going to sort out the north.

is the man for the job and is he the man for the job and what sorting out the north what does sorting out the north look to you .

this war. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> hi there, michelle dewberry . >> hi there, michelle dewberry. keeping you company till 7:00. the conservative life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and writer and trade unionist paul embery, alongside me. when says michelle, it is pointless emailing your show . pointless emailing your show. you just cherry pick the best or most suited emails and then you go on with an interesting insight that you want me to read out. but i do need to be clear we do respectful debate on this programme, so i would love to get as many emails in as and i really do try and get as much as i can in time permitting, but i can't read anything with bad language or anything rude or anything like that. that's just not style, afraid. so not my style, i'm afraid. so keep it clean . you never know. i

keep it clean. you never know. i might actually read it out and its entirety when rod says i'm 77 i'm still working , i 77 and i'm still working, i still enjoy the thrill he says. i'm not treated like an old codger when i get to work and life is good. i'm fascinated. what work do you do that gives you said thrill rod? i need to know details. get back in touch and give me that details. please paul says, can we start with the trains? what we're talking about? you imagine about? i can you imagine if robots there'd robots ran the trains, there'd be all your trains be no strikes. all your trains would on time, etcetera. i've would be on time, etcetera. i've got that does indeed got to say, that does indeed sound claire yes, sound good. claire says, yes, there cost of living, but there is a cost of living, but there is a cost of living, but the more we tell people that you can't give a job and take a can't give up a job and take a risk, the more that they probably won't want to do that, she and give my job. she says. and i give up my job. 15 years ago and i haven't looked back. i've to say, looked back. i've got to say, there's lot of ladies getting there's a lot of ladies getting in tonight , in touch with me tonight, telling you are self telling me that you are self employed business women. i like that. i really do. i find that interesting as well, because a lot women, always told, lot of women, we're always told, oh, going to be oppressed oh, you're going to be oppressed in the workplace, you're not going be paid the same as

going to be paid the same as guys. i think you keep feeding all these young girls that narrative time. why are narrative all the time. why are they to try and strive and they going to try and strive and thrive? so do it i thrive? so i do like it when i hear women saying saying i hear of women saying saying i was swear. then i can't was going to swear. then i can't swear it. catching saying, yeah, it's catching. i'm off it's catching. i'm catching off him. like, you know, him. but saying like, you know, still you, i am to going at still for you, i am to going at the same at same time. the same time, at the same time. >> there's also >> michelle there's also millions women who are millions of women who are working all the god sends working all the hours god sends in call centres, warehouses and things like that and are paying a fortune to put their kids into childcare so end up not taking very much home. but because of the, you know, the way our economy is run these days and because families can't survive on the wage of a single wage earner, a lot of them are forced into the workplace. i feel people should have that choice and a lot of them don't have that choice, sadly. >> indeed. keep your >> indeed. we'll keep your thoughts one coming in. thoughts on that one coming in. keir starmer, he gave a speech today, it focusing on today, a lot of it focusing on the north. let's have a listen to a bit, a choice to a little bit, a choice between a conservative party

with no plan for the future hurtling down. >> the only high speed project it's ever managed to build the highway to british decline or the labour alternative . a party the labour alternative. a party that understands the potential that understands the potential that lies in regions like this that lies in regions like this that has a plan to grow every corner of this country. we will work with you to get the north east building again, get our future back. with a decade of national renewal . national renewal. >> fascinating stuff. none of it washes with me though, because i honestly think if anyone actually cared about levelling up, cared about the north or whatever you never would have had situation there had this situation where there was disparity between the was such a disparity between the two, has just two, because that has not just happened overnight. has happened overnight. that has been decades the making. been decades in the making. i can you. what do you make can tell you. what do you make of then, keir starmer? he of it then, keir starmer? is he the man to sort out the north? >> well, it sounds good. and you give credit for the fact give him credit for the fact that on it and he that he's focusing on it and he should. the thing should. but the big thing missing in it where he he

missing in it where he said he had plan, labour had a plan missing in it where he said he ha(doing n, labour had a plan missing in it where he said he ha(doing this. bour had a plan missing in it where he said he ha(doing this. thereiad a plan missing in it where he said he ha(doing this. there is a plan missing in it where he said he ha(doing this. there is no plan for doing this. there is no plan for doing this. there is no plan for doing this. there's just the speech and few slogans and speech and a few slogans and there's no money put behind there's no money to put behind it. nothing you can it. and there's nothing you can say, he's actually going say, well, he's actually going to if this was easy, to do. and so if this was easy, the government, this government would have done it, another government would have done it. this is going be really, this is going to be really, really partly as you really difficult, partly as you say, there's an say, because there's an inherited history to it, partly because knows how because nobody really knows how to get sort of thing going. to get this sort of thing going. and it will almost certainly cost of money and a lot of cost a lot of money and a lot of money wasted because it money will be wasted because it will end up supporting businesses that aren't sustainable, go bankrupt sustainable, that go bankrupt further because further down the road, because that's what usually happens when governments business governments back business is too much excessively so really much excessively. so we really need to if he's got a plan need to know if he's got a plan until he's a plan. i don't until he's got a plan. i don't really believe cuts really believe this cuts anything you know, anything at all. do you know, i don't think any of the parties really understand the levelling up agenda. >> i think the tories kind of think that the, you know, we need to do is move one of the departments from whitehall to darlington or something like that. and that's what levelling

up i don't think either of up is. i don't think either of the parties really know how the main parties really know how to about levelling up. to go about levelling up. i think the speech today was okay, but i agree with daniel. it wasn't underpinned by any sort of a plan that, for of real plan a plan that, for example, understands that most of the wealth in this country is kind of sucked in by london and the south—east and the rest of the south—east and the rest of the country is in many respects neglected. and i agree with you that that actually is a process that that actually is a process that hasn't just happened recently. i think if you look at the decimation of our industrial base, de—industrialized nation and the collapse of our manufacturing economy and the way in which we now elevate financial services over the real economy, where people work and where wealth is created . i think where wealth is created. i think that that has been a hugely destructive for our country. and considering that you know, places like the north and the midlands were hotbeds of industry and relied on the manufacturing sector and the

industrial base during that process of the industrial ization, when all of these jobs have kind of gone abroad or just disappeared altogether, these places have been kind of searching around for a purpose, really. you go to some of these places and some of the old pit communities and you'll know in the you know, some of the north, you know, some of them are industrial them are still industrial wastelands and wastelands to this day. and we've paid a huge price for that. >> i find this interesting because often gets because thatcher often gets a lot of blame and rightly so. >> but you rightly so, >> but you say rightly so, because yeah. because rightly so. yeah. >> but i was looking today. so for example, wilson closed way more pits than what more mines pits than what thatcher did , almost double thatcher did, almost double there or thereabouts . there or thereabouts. >> but he's not just about the pit. so but that's a key. >> that's a key thing though isn't it? >> but it's about the whole approach to industry, whole approach to industry, the whole approach to industry, the whole approach real economy. approach to the real economy. you at the bang, for you look at the big bang, for example, in the city, massive deregulation in the city helped to pull more wealth into the city of london and again, further neglect the industrial . further neglect the industrial. >> do you think the tories get

too much of the blame for this north—south divide? >> think the tories get >> oh, i think the tories get too much of the blame for everything because it suits everyone to beat up. and everyone to beat them up. and it's easy. easy. it's it's easy. it's easy. it's easy shots. i don't think that's shots. but i don't think that's really question. i think, really the question. i think, first of all, paul needs to remember when when you look remember when you when you look at how much money the government spends in a particular part of the country , also to the country, you also need to look at much tax those look at how much tax those parts of countries contribute of the countries contribute as well. look both well. you need to look both sides it. it's not true that sides of it. it's not true that london sucks in most of the money in the country. what is actually is that london, actually true is that london, through taxes it through its tax, the taxes it pays most of the pays pays for most of the investment and the rest of the country. and so the fact that it might get a more but might get a bit more in, but it's it's paying lot more it's net it's paying a lot more out it's coming in. the out than it's coming in. the second thing is the city, you know, the city of london, we haven't been promoting the city of we've been clamping of london. we've been clamping down london since down on the city of london since 2008. we haven't been 2008. and we haven't been promoting financial sector. promoting the financial sector. maybe back in maybe we were talking back in thatcher in the 80s and the 90s, but we absolutely, absolutely do not. we to some extent

not. we are to some extent reliant on financial services. we are to some extent reliant on financial services because we're good at them. we're also reliant on the services that are allied to them. we're good at. we're good at legal services. we're good at legal services. we're good at legal services. we're good at accountancy services and things we be things like that. should we be closing things down closing those things down because you're somehow overreliant so we have overreliant on them? so we have an economy which is shaped in a certain way in germany. they have an economy shaped more around manufacturing, manufacturing, although that's a real trouble to them. that's turning out to be a real risk and exposure. now, when the cheap is running out, cheap energy is running out, we've got it shaped in a different way. no two countries are we should be are the same, so we should be celebrating and celebrating what we do. and actually and all actually making it work and all we is, you know, what we get is, you know, what happened back in the 1980s and what the pit villages like. what the pit villages were like. yeah, discussion about? >> hold on a second. i mean, if we if we're talking about the reasons why we're in the position that we're in industrially economically, then you ignore historical you can't ignore historical factors like that. you can't ignore the facts that the attack on the mining industry was a

huge part of the program of industrial mining industry wound itself up through crazed , crazed itself up through crazed, crazed strikes carried out by scargill on a revolutionary basis . that's on a revolutionary basis. that's a caricature, absolutely . a caricature, absolutely. >> absolutely a caricature. >> absolutely a caricature. >> what what he's still living on did is through thousands and thousands of men, because they were all men at the time, onto the scrap heap. you had villages and communities that were built around the pit. it was their main source of employment, their main source of employment, their main source of employment, their main source industry and the main source of industry and the social decay that's set in in some of those communities . it some of those communities. it talk about, by the way, it was fundamentally unconservative because the village is built around the pit. the importance of family and order within society and relations ships and you know , people's well—being, you know, people's well—being, the whole community. >> see what thatcher if you could if you could reverse that, if you could reverse that, you would not nobody would say we should open up pits. nobody would say that people should go down working in the bottom of a

pit, given the energy any lack of energy security and no money in the green lobby would allow you to do it. so you're talking about a dream. it's history and it's irrelevant. are about a dream. it's history and it's going irrelevant. are about a dream. it's history and it's going backevant. are about a dream. it's history and it's going back tomt. are about a dream. it's history and it's going back tomipit are about a dream. it's history and it's going back tomipit based economy. >> i'm talking about historically , whether it was historically, whether it was a why don't talk about what why don't we talk about what might happen. >> well, there you go. i'll tell you a historically. give you a historically. i'll give you a historically. i'll give you wilson closed you some figures. wilson closed 255 versus 255 pits, apparently, versus thatcher, closed 115. we thatcher, who closed 115. we talk about levelling up. i always wonder, what do we mean? what is it we want to level up. be careful what you wish for. i still have not got over the fact that wednesday i paid almost that on wednesday i paid almost £18 of wine in £18 for a glass of wine in london and it wasn't even a large glass of wine. it was a 1.75. so just i always think when i go up north, everything is cheaper, including not is a lot cheaper, including not least as well. house prices . so least as well. house prices. so sometimes we have to be a bit careful what we wish for. now i want talk to you about life want to talk to you about life sentences. should they even have a tariff allowed? the a minimum tariff allowed? the killer of zara aleena has today had his minimum sentence reduced

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goes wrong, it's on suella or the police. that isn't true. leadership . rishi hi there. leadership. rishi hi there. >> michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the tory life peerin till 7:00 tonight. the tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan, alongside me, as is the right and trade unionist, paul embery. gloria michel, paul embery. gloria says michel, we love you to bits, but you've just mentioned £18 for a glass of wine. you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. how love how many families would love that put food on the that money to put food on the table ? it's not me that was table? it's not me that was making up that mythical figure of the price of wine. i went to go and see jordan peterson. as i was telling you all, and that was telling you all, and that was cost that they put on was the cost that they put on the wine. i wasn't actually paying the wine. i wasn't actually paying for that wine. and my point outrageous are point is how outrageous are still got over it all these still not got over it all these days on it is you shouldn't have bought it. >> you shouldn't have bought it. you have gone. you should you should have gone. you should have you should have taken the tax. you should

have taken the tax. you should have taken the tap you have taken the tap water. you should taken tap water should have taken the tap water and the £18. and left the £18. >> i know, but i'm a mom. i don't get out. i don't get to go out and watch these days. so when i do go out, i like to get involved. >> stuck in actually, i do, actually. >> even though it wasn't me >> so even though it wasn't me paying >> so even though it wasn't me paying for that wine, i've still not the cost because not got over the cost because i think it is gross profiteering. and when you go to an entertainment free market, as you say, it's the free market, michel, is capitalism is a system support. system you support. >> start complaining system you support. >> it. start complaining system you support. >> it. i start complaining system you support. >> it. i think|rt complaining system you support. >> it. i think theselplaining about it. i think these hardworking strivers and it isn't exactly isn't starting up there exactly what business. what it isn't business. >> exactly what it isn't. >> it's exactly what it isn't. a free market at once. you're inside 02. you need to inside the 02. you need to recognise a market looks recognise what a market looks like the o2, like once you're inside the 02, there market in drinks as well. >> someone just got in touch with and if they go to the it's a monopoly. >> you go to a local pub, >> so you go to a local pub, someone's just got in touch with me and that he's paid £19 me and said that he's paid £19 for glass of prosecco at for a glass of prosecco at stansted airport. >> really? a glass. >> really? £19 for a glass. >> really? £19 for a glass. >> have had a glass of >> you could have had a glass of proper champagne that. proper champagne for that. >> have had about two >> you could have had about two bottles free at bottles of duty free at

airports, didn't it? >> used get it cheaper. >> you used to get it cheaper. >> you used to get it cheaper. >> yeah. there you go. >> well, yeah. there you go. anyway, guys are massively anyway, you guys are massively off i'm supposed off topic. i'm not supposed to be talking alcohol. i've be talking about alcohol. i've got serious topic to got a very serious topic to discuss with you. actually you'll familiar by with you'll be familiar by now with the awful story of the story. the awful story of the story. the awful story of the of zara aleena. well, the murder of zara aleena. well, her killer has now won court her killer has now won a court of to have his of appeal challenge to have his sentence reduced the killer, jordan mcsweeney. had jordan mcsweeney. he had basically jordan mcsweeney. he had basiciof/ jordan mcsweeney. he had basiciof 38 years. he's now got tariff of 38 years. he's now got life with a minimum tariff of 33 years. so a five year reduction in that minimum tariff. i've never quite grasped why if someone gets life, why is there even such a thing as a minimum tariff in the first place? because stop to stop them being let out early . let out early. >> that's the point. it's a minimum tariff. and unlike other sentences where you serve half for ordinary crimes, you'd normally serve half the sentence and leave. that doesn't work. if you do murder, you get you get a you do murder, you get you get a you do murder, you get you get a you do the minimum tariff and there is no parole in normal circumstances . there's no parole circumstances. there's no parole pnor circumstances. there's no parole prior to that. circumstances. there's no parole prior to that . and of course, prior to that. and of course, it's up to you could be let out

early for various administrative or political reasons. any prisoner can be let out early by the home secretary or sometimes. but that's that's a right that exists. but the minimum tariff protects them from being the public, from having them being let out too early. now, i'm not going to talk about an individual case. i'm going to make a point here. the people who look at these and make these decisions of appeal decisions in the court of appeal are very experienced are really very experienced judges. and have at judges. and they have looked at this much more detail this case in much more detail than i or any other of than i or any other member of the public probably ever will. and reached a decision and they've reached a decision based lot experience and based on a lot of experience and also by trying to do justice, because just about because this isn't just about what want. this is because this isn't just about what trying want. this is because this isn't just about what trying to want. this is because this isn't just about what trying to domt. this is because this isn't just about what trying to do justice; is because this isn't just about what trying to do justice. and about trying to do justice. and that something about that means something about fairness so that fairness in sentencing so that you roughly same you get roughly the same sentence same crime. i sentence for the same crime. i know no crime of this nature is necessarily ever the same , and i necessarily ever the same, and i will trust them to do their job. and i don't think it's i would never comment an individual never comment on an individual case this. general case like this. general principles, not an principles, maybe, but not an individual. >> comment on this >> oh, i'll comment on this individual case. i know you will. i definitely will.

will. oh, i definitely will. this an absolute wrong'un this guy is an absolute wrong'un he murder. he committed this murder. he stalked this girl. i think it was after nine days after coming out of prison and he was on licence . he apparently stalked licence. he apparently stalked about another five girls in advance of this. he couldn't be bothered to attend his own sentencing hearing. he stormed out of a previous appeal hearing to me , it infuriates me. and to me, it infuriates me. and i get daniel's point. but if you have done this, if you've murdered someone, if you've been stamping on their head when this girl is just about to try and go home, when you've attempted to rape them and all the rest of it, have your life sentence, is this minimum tariff for me is completely wrong . this minimum tariff for me is coni'mtely wrong . this minimum tariff for me is con i'm tely iyoug. this minimum tariff for me is coni'mtely iyou on this one. i >> i'm with you on this one. i think court sentencing, frankly , think court sentencing, frankly, is a con. i think when the pubuc is a con. i think when the public hear on a news report so and so has been sentenced to life imprisonment, i think the pubuc life imprisonment, i think the public are entitled to conclude that that person will spend the rest of his life in prison . but rest of his life in prison. but we know that's not the case. and i think that you know, what invariably happens is whatever

the sentence is, some one someone only serves half of the sentence. you know, they get parole for good behaviour and so on. i think we look at it wrongly. i think that rather than giving parole for good behaviour in prison, i think good behaviour should be the expectation in, in prison. and if you don't meet that standard then actually your sentence should be extended for bad behaviour rather than shortening it without a trial you would give people an additional prison sentence without a trial or a conviction. >> i'm not saying that what you're saying. >> i'm not saying there shouldn't be a trial. >> there should trial. they >> there should be a trial. they should so they have should go. so they have committed a crime in prison. the person they have committed a crime and if they do crime in prison and if they do commit a in prison, that's commit a crime in prison, that's what already. they what happens already. they will get so are you get a trial. so what are you suggesting different? suggesting that's different? >> well, say, for example, >> well, let's say, for example, someone who doesn't attend their sentencing, are sentencing, the government are proposing . to have the power to proposing. to have the power to extend their sentence by up to two years. okay now, i'm saying

that as a behaviour in prison, as . hold on. that as a behaviour in prison, as. hold on. i'm saying that as a behaviour in prison, as . hold on. i'm saying that as as. hold on. i'm saying that as as. hold on. i'm saying that as a principle, the same kind of principle could be established for people who behave badly in prison. >> but would you do it? >> but would you do it? >> would you were sentenced to this initially, but would you do it without a trial? >> would you? >> would you? >> what are you can be you want a system where you can keep people in jail without a criminal process or a trial or a chance defend themselves. chance to defend themselves. >> course, there should >> of course, there should be a system due process, whatever system of due process, whatever due trial. due process, but not a trial. hold daniel. hold on, daniel. >> whatever due process >> whatever form, due process might the person should be might take, the person should be entitled a hearing. the entitled to a hearing. the person entitled to a person should be entitled to a defence. saying then defence. so are you saying then that principle that that on that principle that someone refuses to attend someone who refuses to attend their sentencing, government their sentencing, the government is they they can have is proposing they they can have their sentences extended by up to years? you're saying that to two years? you're saying that even that is that is wrong, but according logic of your according to the logic of your argument, they should. >> no, think that that is >> no, no. i think that that is part original sentence. part of the original sentence. thatis part of the original sentence. that is something judges, judges take a number of unfinished trial judges. >> they weren't on trial for

refusing to attend. >> no, butjudges take refusing to attend. >> no, but judges take various things . judges take various things. judges take various things. judges take various things into account in deciding their sentencing , which has not their sentencing, which has not happened at the point at which we're okay. and that we're discussing. okay. and that might a factor. they take might be a factor. they take into to me, into account. it seems to me, a wholly different matter to say you behaved properly in you haven't behaved properly in jail. we're going to add jail. so we're going to add something on to your sentence unless you're actually saying they've crime and they've committed a crime and we're to prosecute them we're going to prosecute them for it. and give them a sentence, because othennise you just end up with administrative detention with no limit. >> there's not >> isn't it like there's not free country? >> i'm not suggesting that. of course suggesting. course i'm not suggesting. >> it charles bronson, by >> isn't it charles bronson, by the had so many the way, he just had so many different added different sentences added on to his original sentence or his original prison sentence or whatever himself these whatever he calls himself these days. you guys will correct. >> he was a terrible actor. >> he was a terrible actor. >> yeah, if i'm wrong on that one, me know your thoughts one, let me know your thoughts one, let me know your thoughts on i feel so sorry on all of that. i feel so sorry for her family, by the way, having to go through this now as well. let me ask you this. do you the war you think the culture war exists? is it manufactured basically for political gain? i'm interested hear you

i'm interested to hear what you think .

n ext next hello there , michelle dewberry hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. lord moylan and paul emery alongside me. bob says, i love your show. the chemistry between the three of you is very moreish. >> there you go. that's nice . >> there you go. that's nice. >> there you go. that's nice. >> there you go. that's nice. >> the alcohol flowing. >> the alcohol flowing. >> he also goes on there to say, michelle, why do you keep saying, though ? what do you make saying, though? what do you make to everyone else says, to that? everyone else says, what make of that? what do you make of that? >> yeah, he's got a point. >> yeah, he's got a point. >> has he? >> has he? >> yeah, he's got a point. sorry to a pedant, but i'm with him i >> bob, this is dewberry tavern. it's not dewberry grammar lesson. cheers to that. >> cheers. cheers >> cheers. cheers >> cheers. cheers >> cheers to all of you. cheers. and cheers your weekend . no and cheers to your weekend. no by the way, i didn't pay £18 for that glass of prosecco . before that glass of prosecco. before i get the next email . look, i want get the next email. look, i want to ask you about culture wars.

we have this phrase all the time, don't we? but now there's been a poll done which basically suggests that two thirds of us apparently don't think that the culture wars is actually a thing. they think it's been exaggerated and made up and all the rest of it for political gain since school. do you agree with that ? with that? >> no, i don't, actually. i think there really is a split in the country between people who want to push what they call a progressive agenda and what the majority of voters tend to want. it was very well illustrated over the brexit issue, but it's a remarkably easy i see this in the house of lords to get legislation through which follows a particular sort of agenda remarkably difficult even to make a case as to why we shouldn't be going in that direction. and these people very often are universal educated there, linked in a certain ways. and so on. and they congratulate each other all the time on what they think. now there's a

separate question, if i can be very quick about how this affects voting intentions, because it's still the case that you can be worried about these culture war issues and things like that. but when it comes to putting your vote in in a you're in a box, you're judging the government rather than society as a whole. and so things the government are directly responsible for , look at this responsible for, look at this quarrel about the and quarrel about the marks and spencers ad are not going spencers ad people are not going to conservative or labour to vote conservative or labour or whatever marks and or whatever on a marks and spencers or whatever on a marks and spencer's because they know spencer's ad because they know government run and government doesn't run marks and spencers government doesn't run marks and spencer's doesn't mean spencer's. it doesn't mean they're about the they're not concerned about the issues arise out of so issues that arise out of it. so i think we be a little bit i think we could be a little bit more when look at more subtle when we look at opinion, opinion, polling on voting intentions. if it says people worried people are more worried about immigration and about the cost of living crisis and whatever, that's understandable . doesn't that's understandable. doesn't mean they're not worried about or concerned about other things. >> do you with any of that? >> paul yeah, i agree with all of it. >> think i think the people >> i think i think the people who complain most about who tend to complain most about the culture war, as far as i can see, are the people who actually

started it and are now complaining that this this particular war exists. and often these are people who have done their best. they follow a very, as daniel said, a very sort of radical progressive agenda. and i think that they are often in positions of influence, whether it's within the media, whether it's within the media, whether it's in the public sector and corporations and whatever. and they have spent a long time going around ripping up. i think many of our, what you might call our age old social and cultural norms , as there are people who norms, as there are people who will often depict this country as racist and bigoted and intolerant , as racist and bigoted and intolerant, and as racist and bigoted and intolerant , and they've got no intolerant, and they've got no time for old fashioned institutions like the family. and they tell us that men can be women and vice versa. and they're obsessed with critical race theory and that kind of thing. and then when the average joe says, hold on a second, i think that's a bit far out. i don't agree with that. they point at him and go, oh, will you stop it with your culture

war? actually, the vast majority of people in country are of people in this country are not engaged in a culture war. they just don't like the people who prosecute we who are prosecute ing it. so we need who's need to understand who's actually responsible for. >> can add to that? >> can i just add to that? because we're danger because we're in danger of agreeing much, just agreeing too much, butjust very, very what the very, very quickly, what the people paul and i would people that paul and i would agree this sort of agree belong to this sort of cultural that the tactic cultural elite, that the tactic they're using moment and they're using at the moment and this poll seems part this opinion poll seems part of it to there is no culture it is to say there is no culture war and there is no elite. they're not arguing back. they're not arguing back. they're we're right they're not saying we're right and you're wrong. our agenda is the right agenda. yours is old fashioned , stuck in the mud. fashioned, stuck in the mud. they're saying there's nothing to see here. it's not happening. and think very telling and i think that's very telling because willing to because they're not willing to step defend their step up and defend their positions rest the country. >> and it's about seeking. they are what you might call high status opinions . often get the status opinions. often i get the sense that of these people status opinions. often i get the sense necessarily of these people status opinions. often i get the sense necessarily passionately)le don't necessarily passionately believe in some of these causes, that espousing, they that they're espousing, but they know their high status know that their high status opinions, they know that by voicing them, they will ingrain themselves with the kind of congratulate themselves, the

metropolitan the north metropolitan elite, the north london dinner party set. and they embrace. they they seek that embrace. they seek the liberal embrace. they seek the liberal embrace. they seek the liberal embrace. they seek the metropolitan embrace. and you will often see people like william hague, for example, who often took years ago, who was often took years ago, quite a robust line on immigration. and now he's very much in favour of a liberal immigration policy. and he thinks the women's institute should admit trans women and stuff that. you will see stuff like that. you will see politicians ditch their traditional views and values because they want to seek the metropolitan embrace. they want the approval their peers, the approval of their peers, whilst the vast majority of people out there feel just completely detached from this ideology, this world view . ideology, from this world view. >> i was really interested as well about your response. i saw on twitter that marks and spencers on twitter that marks and spencer's ad, i think you raised a good point. we spoke a really good point. we spoke about spencer's ad in about marks and spencer's ad in detail night, we, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it night, we, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it was ght, we, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it was kind we, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it was kind of we, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it was kind of like /e, about marks and spencer's ad in detail it was kind of like the where it was kind of like the burning the hearts, the burning of the hearts, the smacking the elv and the smacking of the elv and the sticking of the monopoly or whatever it was the whatever it was in the fish tank. paul a very good point. tank. paul is a very good point. he close your eyes for

he said, close your eyes for a second and imagine a brand making an advert, say, for eid or like that and or something like that and smashing up or, you know, dismissing the of dismissing and all the rest of it disrespecting trinkets or it disrespecting the trinkets or whatever is, traditions whatever it is, the traditions that associated with that would be associated with that festival wouldn't happen, wouldn't of wouldn't it? everyone lots of you touch, talking you getting in touch, talking about mcsweeney, guy about jordan mcsweeney, the guy that zara, alana , elena, that kills zara, alana, elena, sorry. of you saying it's sorry. lots of you saying it's time for a return to the death penalty for like that. penalty for people like that. that's one of the topics we often talk about referendums. many people will say we should have a referendum in this country return to the death country of a return to the death penalty. you support that? penalty. would you support that? a lot of people still can't get over that £18 or there or thereabouts. glass of wine. you are not alone. i'm still not over it either. look that is all we have got time for. paul. thank you for your company, daniel. thank you, michel, too, guys , it's the weekend. have guys, it's the weekend. have a good one. and i will see you on monday night. >> evening . monday night. >> evening. i'm monday night. >> evening . i'm alex deakin. >> evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a mixed picture this weekend . a fine day by and large

weekend. a fine day by and large for scotland and northern ireland tomorrow. but there is more weather to more wet and windy weather to come. we pretty much have said goodbye storm kieran, but goodbye to storm kieran, but here area low here comes another area of low pressure that will bring pressure and that will bring more tonight. approaching more rain tonight. approaching the ahead of it. the south—west ahead of it. still a few showers around , still a few showers around, particularly this evening. if you're heading out to the north—west parts of north—west england, parts of southern scotland, elsewhere, many dry and clear. and many places dry and clear. and it will actually turn quite chilly. frost chilly. a touch of frost possible through the north—east of scotland . but further south, of scotland. but further south, it's rain coming it's all about the rain coming in, turning windy once more, not as but any as wild as thursday, but any more rain likely to cause problems . so we do have a more rain likely to cause problems. so we do have a met office yellow warning in place, a lot of spray across southern england the roads. a lot of england on the roads. a lot of surface water and the potential for further flooding. the rain eases here, then it turns brighter. with heavy, brighter. but with heavy, blustery through blustery showers through the afternoon, likely afternoon, the rain likely to persist zone across persist in this zone across yorkshire, lincolnshire, lancashire into north wales. so quite damp, cold day here. quite a damp, cold day here. brighter skies scotland and brighter skies for scotland and northern ireland. in the south. we get the teens. it we could get into the teens. it will feel cooler that will feel cooler than that though, gusty wind still

though, with a gusty wind still quite breezy in eastern england on sunday some early rain . on sunday with some early rain. i'm will clear away on sunday with some early rain. i'm we'll will clear away on sunday with some early rain. i'm we'll see will clear away on sunday with some early rain. i'm we'll see some.l clear away on sunday with some early rain. i'm we'll see some brighterway and we'll see some brighter skies many places skies developing. many places seeing spells, but seeing sunny spells, but certainly the west from late certainly in the west from late morning onwards, quite a few heavy showers coming in. again, a cool feel to begin with. and temperatures the afternoon, temperatures by the afternoon, nine to maybe 14 in the

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