and he was the host of former youtube channel london reel. bnan youtube channel london reel. brian rose will also be joined by one of the founding members of the channel 4 news team. journalist michael crick to discuss whether youtube should be given the power to remove channels from its platform. and finally , we'll hear about finally, we'll hear about a study that's shown tobacco style warning stickers are to be put on meat in an attempt to reduce consumption. we'll ask how that could affect farmers livelihoods as all of that and plenty of chat with my panellist, author and commentator laura dodsworth. but first, an update on the latest news from ray addison . on latest news from ray addison. on thanks, neil. >> good afternoon . good evening. >> good afternoon. good evening. and we start with some breaking news. london's charing cross station has been forced to close due to a sit in by hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters as british transport police say

that they've responded with passengers able to exit the station . only at this time comes station. only at this time comes after the met police arrested three people at a pro—palestine protest in london. they were taken into custody at piccadilly circus . one person was seen circus. one person was seen displaying a placard that police believed could incite hatred and another was arrested on suspicion of breaching public order and the third for assaulting officer . of assaulting a police officer. of course, we'll bring you more on the situation at charing cross as it . the prime the situation at charing cross as it. the prime minister as we get it. the prime minister says plans by some groups to protest during remembrance commemorations provocative commemorations are provocative and disrespectful. in a statement, rishi sunak said the right to remember in peace and dignity must be protected . dignity must be protected. labour leader sir keir starmer echoed those comments, saying he supports the police in whatever action is needed . israel defence action is needed. israel defence forces have released footage of the military blowing up tunnels in gaza and clearing an area of explosive devices. it comes as un officials warned there is no

place that is safe in the strip as the conflict continues . news. as the conflict continues. news. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has rejected calls from the us secretary of state for a humanitarian pause until all hostages taken by hamas are freed. following a meeting with middle east foreign ministers in jordan, anthony blinken urged israel to, quote, take every possible measure to prevent civilian casualties as protecting civilians will help prevent hamas from further exploiting the situation. >> but most important, it's simply the right and moral thing to do when i see palestinian boy or girl pulled from the wreckage of a building, it or girl pulled from the wreckage of a building , it hits me in the of a building, it hits me in the gut just as it hits everyone in the gut. and i see my own children in their faces . children in their faces. >> 112 uk nationals were on the >>112 uk nationals were on the list to leave gaza through the rafah crossing today. earlier

scotland's first minister, humza yousaf , announced that his yousaf, announced that his family has been able to leave through that crossing . through that crossing. palestinian officials saying that more than 700 foreign nationals have crossed in the past two days, including dozens of critically injured people . of critically injured people. conservative mp bob stewart has told chief whip simon hart he wishes to surrender the tory whip while he appeals against his recent conviction. the beckenham mp was found guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence . he racially order offence. he racially abused a man after he allegedly told him to go back to bahrain outside the foreign office last december. the chief magistrate saying that stewart will not be jailed and suella braverman wants to restrict the use of tents by homeless people in towns and cities, warning that british streets risk going the same way as some in the united states post on the home secretary said many tents are occupied by people, quote, from abroad living on the streets as abroad living on the streets as a lifestyle choice , end quote.

a lifestyle choice, end quote. reports say the crackdown would target tents that become a nuisance, such as those blocking shop doonnays and that charities which hand out camping equipment could face being fined . russell could face being fined. russell brand is being sued by a film extra who claims that she was sexually assaulted on a us movie set. his accuser says the actor was carrying a bottle of vodka and appeared intoxicated when he approached her on the set of arthur back in 2010. the lawsuit has been filed in new york. it's the first accusation to be made against brand in court. he's not yet responded to that suit . and yet responded to that suit. and an effigy of sadiq khan is going up in flames tonight as part of bonfire night celebrations. edenbndge bonfire night celebrations. edenbridge bonfire society in kent will burn a giant image of the london mayor in the form of a ulez camera to raise money for local charities . the society local charities. the society burns the likeness of a prominent topical celebrity . prominent topical celebrity. every year, previous targets include boris johnson, liz truss and donald trump . this is gb

and donald trump. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . neil to. neil >> they do see time speeds up as you get older . time feels to me you get older. time feels to me at least like it's moving especially quickly now . and by especially quickly now. and by that i mean events of a world changing significance are coming at us one after another with no breathing space in between . it's breathing space in between. it's enough to make a person's head spin . i don't know about you, spin. i don't know about you, but i struggle just to keep up with what being told. which with what i'm being told. which official version of events i'm supposed accept in the supposed to accept in the december 2022 issue of time magazine , ukraine president magazine, ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy was named person of the year . the message person of the year. the message was clear and unequivocal , person of the year. the message was clear and unequivocal, and he was officially to be loved in those days. and without question , his cause was presented as all but wholly the order from on high was that zelenskyy was the

embodiment of all that was good, brave and honourable . he was, we brave and honourable. he was, we were told from every screen and stage, and almost stage, fearlessly and almost single handedly defending democracy , world leaders and democracy, world leaders and a—list celebrities queued for the chance to be seen in his presence . fast fonnard to an presence. fast fonnard to an article in last month's issue of the same magazine, and zelenskyy is described as delusional , all is described as delusional, all on account of his continuing belief that he will achieve ultimate victory over russia. quote he deludes himself as zelenskyy aide apparently told a time journalist , we are out of time journalist, we are out of options. we're not winning. but try telling him that. options. we're not winning. but try telling him that . correct me try telling him that. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure that the last time i looked, we were being assured every minute of every day by every minute of every day by every organ of the mainstream media that victory over russia was all but inevitable. just as zelenskyy continued to say. zelenskyy has continued to say. furthermore, the official message that russia message was that russia had really . a really always been our enemy. a really always been our enemy. a real life was treated to a standing ovation in the canadian parliament in front of a grinning and clapping, canadian prime ministerjustin grinning and clapping, canadian prime minister justin trudeau grinning and clapping, canadian prime ministerjustin trudeau in

prime minister justin trudeau in recognition of the fact he had fought against the russians in world war ii. it was a rewriting of history, inviting an assumption that, in truth, we had always been at war with russia, whether we knew it or not. the inference to be drawn was that ukraine's war with russia was a continuation of a greater older war against that nation. and that final victory was ukraine's destiny our was ukraine's destiny and our only hope of salvation in the face an always evil empire. face of an always evil empire. do you see what's happening here? do you see how breathtakingly fast the propaganda machine moves? do regarding as though it had never been that which no longer matters ? whomever no longer matters? whomever no longer matters? whomever no longer matters , that which is no longer matters, that which is no longer convenient or useful? i suspect in the great game that the ukraine president's card is well and truly marked out. zelenskyy your bus is leaving destination dumpsville population on you when war broke out in ukraine, some of us thought it seemed a bit convenient that just as the pandemic ran out of steam , that pandemic ran out of steam, that there was something else to distract , act, and frighten

distract, act, and frighten everyone out of asking any more questions about the damage done by the official response to covid. but it seemed that anyone with questions to about the with questions to ask about the history region be history of the region was to be shut down. the moving finger writes and having writ moves on wrote the persian poet omar khayyam about the remorseless and irresistible nature of fate , and irresistible nature of fate, nor all your piety, nor which allude it back to cancel half a line , nor all your tears wash line, nor all your tears wash out a word of it in the world of geopolitics and international intrigue, the propaganda machine is the tireless servant of the rich and powerful in pursuit of their aims . its appetites are of their aims. its appetites are of necessity , insatiable, all necessity, insatiable, all consuming , and it's utterly consuming, and it's utterly without pity. far less a conscience. the roving beam of the distracting light projected by that propaganda machine is as relentless as fate itself. furthermore it has no memory, none at all. whatever the propaganda machine said happened yesterday, who was to bless and who was to blame, those are gone now. vanished without a trace memory hold. vladimir zelenskyy has evidently served his

purpose. uk spain has served its purpose. uk spain has served its purpose for half a million ukrainian dead and who knows how many dead russians have served their purpose to the moving finger has written and moved on. can you see it yet? can you see that we're being played? and like a stradivarius s somewhere, the so—called covid inquiry is going through its motions , going through its motions, soaking up an ocean of whitewash that will surely leave all the key players as pure as the dnven key players as pure as the driven snow and as blameless . driven snow and as blameless. meanwhile, fact meanwhile, despite the fact unknown numbers died, suffered or destroyed one way or or were destroyed one way or another, no one is being invited properly to notice far less to care about the ruination wrought upon this population and upon populations around the world. this week , dr. john campbell this week, dr. john campbell posted a profound and moving video about deaths in care homes. he reported testimony of broken hearted people who had watched helplessly as their elderly relatives died for want of oxygen or food and water, or were helped on their way with cocktails of drugs , the dying in cocktails of drugs, the dying in the care homes was a huge part

of the overall death toll. a person might wonder whose interests that bigger number served. questions were asked while it was happening and were ignored. you might say the truth was shut away from prying eyes, denied the oxygen of publicity, starved to death . three years starved to death. three years later, and it seems the truth is still being shamefully neglected. instead, and in the most superficial and meaningless manner imaginable, were being invited to only gawp at the naughty words. boris johnson's former chief adviser , dominic former chief adviser, dominic cummings, used about former health secretary matt hancock and others of his erstwhile colleagues . and all the while colleagues. and all the while that unedifying pantomime runs its course. he said. she said one by one, the great and the good, the relic media silverbacks the subservient, dependent a—listers that spent all their energies dutifully cheering on the lockdowns, driving the fear, mindlessly pushing the experimental gene therapies that were marketed as vaccines , are turning their vaccines, are turning their coats and spouting new scripts as they pretend to clutch at

their perils in outrage at the revelation revelations in inverted commas of unforgivable unmeasured harms done in those far off days of the pandemic to late, i say, years too late , so late, i say, years too late, so late, i say, years too late, so late that nothing being revealed revealed in inverted commas by the so called inquiry matters. a now someone somewhere has evidently calculated that in the foreshortened timescale of carefully choreographed and curated drama for a couple of years is long enough to ensure that whatever conclusions, conclusions in inverted commas are drawn by said covid inquiry. none of it will lead to consequences for the guilty parties. and you think any of the billions, the hundreds of billions will be wrenched from the hands of the politicians, chums, the chums whose bank accounts grew ever more bloated with the proceeds of bogus ppe and ineffectual testing kits? do you think any of that will ever be seen again? me neither. be seen again? no. me neither. and in the meantime, every last recently minted sir lord and dame, every professor and special adviser, every obedient media editor who helped spread

the debilitating nonsense will walk away without a care in the world. in any case, who cares about the pandemic now? who cares about defending democracy in ukraine? in those battles already seem as distant as lost in the midst of history as any carthage or thermopylae . covid carthage or thermopylae. covid and lockdown like zelenskyy and half a million dead ukrainians have long since served their purpose populated nations conditioned to live always with chaos and uncertainty. the moving finger has moved on and is writing instead about israel and gaza , about imminent and gaza, about imminent enveloping war in the middle east. and all the time the unspeakable, unbearable suffering of civilians on suffering of civilians pawns on the board . and forget the the board. and forget the pandemic. forget ukraine. turn all your trusting attention now to what the same voices say is happening in the holy land . this happening in the holy land. this is the only thing that matters . is the only thing that matters. the only in town and so i the only show in town and so i ask again, do you see it yet? the same powers that be and the same media that lied and spread misinformed and propaganda about covid and about lockdowns and face masks and in

face masks and the war in ukraine are now shouting from the rooftops. the desperate hordes around clock about hordes around the clock about what accept trust what we must accept and trust about the next thing across the pond , americans were told donald pond, americans were told donald trump had colluded with russians to gain power. trump had colluded with russians to gain power . exhaustive to gain power. exhaustive inquiries proved he had not. the contents of a laptop belonging to hunter biden were deliberately suppressed by compliant media moguls, compliant social media moguls, lest the revelations harm the election hopes of the big guy , election hopes of the big guy, joe biden. they lied about those old things, about the stuff of yesterday's news. we know that now. by now we know the lockdown policy was suicidal, as many warned at the time, gaining only ridicule in reply. we know the slogan about the injectables being 100% safe and effective was always misinformation at best, and yet ask questions at the time was to invite more ridicule and censorship. and so why? why in a million years would any of us trust that they're telling the truth now about anything that's happening now? but as well as growing wise to the tricks about the past and the present, more important than

any of that is the necessity to be looking out at all times, the better to spot what those rich and powerful and their obedient media learned media pool. next, having learned that about the past that they lied about the past and present , further and the present, further progress along the road to recovery demands keeping one step ahead. looking out for what the next next thing is. and you can bet your last cent at any moment now that next, next thing will come along . while war will come along. while war engulfs the middle east and surely spreads all manner of legislation, slips through parliament, king charles prorogued parliament. did you nofice prorogued parliament. did you notice such a move by the government might be interpreted in more than one way, but i would suggest it's like kicking over snakes and ladders over the snakes and ladders board when your in a board when your pieces in a place your liking and place not to your liking and you'd rather not play anymore. now the long march now bills on the long march to royal go the royal assent go back to the beginning. i start again. beginning. i must start again. questions being asked of officials and ministers about topics care to topics they don't care to contemplate are thrown in the bin must be resubmit bid bin and must be resubmit bid while smoke rises over the while black smoke rises over the middle east. barely noticed and

largely unremarked, the online safety bill scuttled through the energy bill, scuttled through, and the amendments to the pandemic acts pandemic treaty amended acts that will castrate our parliament and make impotent our national sovereignty nudge ever closer to the line in december. all of that happened while too many were distracted by pandemic lies by war in ukraine that enriched the few at the expense of the lives of the millions. and as for what's being prepared for our detriment, while the middle east is on fire, well, your guess is as good as mine. here's the thing. the past is past and the present is gone. before know it, what matters before you know it, what matters is to look to the future is to look ahead to the future energy blackouts energy crisis and blackouts this winter. anyone may be food shortages financial crash, shortages or a financial crash, but ? trust me, i'm just but hey, why? trust me, i'm just a conspiracy theorist . a conspiracy theorist. laura dodsworth , author and laura dodsworth, author and commentator, friend of the show. and do you trust. are you still

able to trust the latest version of events coming from people that surely most of us learned to distrust ? to distrust? >> well, i've certainly learned to be a lot more sceptical over the last few years. i think it's really interesting. you just finished your monologue with saying you're a conspiracy theorist because something i've put fonnard probably a bit controversially in my new book, free your mind, is that people should let go of the fear of the term theorists. so term conspiracy theorists. so you have done . and i think you have well done. and i think that the reason , the reason that the reason, the reason people should let go of the fear about it is it's a neologism. it is designed to shut down questions and debate. you know , questions and debate. you know, nobody wants to be an idiot conspiracy theorist. so it's used to kind of shut things down. in a way. it would be silly to think that powerful people don't conspire in their own course they do own interests. of course they do . and there are plenty of conspiracy theories which have turned out to be true. just two years ago. the idea of covid 19 escaping from the wuhan lab was

absolutely fact checked around the world as a conspiracy theory . mkultra was thought to be a conspiracy theory. you know, the cia ran quite astonishingly awful mind and behaviour modification programs on people. you know , the unabomber, ted you know, the unabomber, ted kaczynski , was probably kaczynski, was probably experimented on as part of mkultra. >> what about something as simple as as safe and effective? >> you know , the online safety >> you know, the online safety bill is supposed to stop misinformation. now, if there's anything still out there that's misinformation, it's the still promulgated nonsense that those injectables were 100% safe and effective . effective. >> well, in a sense, that was misinformation . but that doesn't misinformation. but that doesn't fall under what i'm saying about conspiracy theory. now, you've got to let me balance myself, because i've given you an argument of saying argument in favour of saying that should be able to call that you should be able to call yourself a conspiracy theorist without you down without people shooting you down on the other because on the other side because this is leading into. is the point i was leading into. you as g.k. is the point i was leading into. you as gk. chesterton you know, as gk. chesterton said, you do not want to be so open minded. brains fall open minded. your brains fall out. the danger for me out. i think the danger for me in your of linking

in your monologue of linking together different together all these different crises, crises , is crises, these perma crises, is that some people are developing a feeling that they're all linked, planned and there's an operation now , i don't think operation now, i don't think that they're all linked. and i think that the reason that people think they do is that we've been redpilled so hard. so if you go back to lockdown when false claims were made, promises were threats were were broken, threats were exaggerated, there was this blitzkrieg of advertising nudging behavioural psychology and propaganda. now if you bought it, you really bought it, but if you didn't buy it, you were made super suspicious. then, as you said, we went into the russia—ukraine war. now i don't that of don't think that was kind of planned as any sort of by any sort of cabal as the next current thing. but it also had a lot to, you know, lot of propaganda to, you know, there bot campaigns on there were bot campaigns on social some social media. there already some academic that. the academic studies about that. the bbc the invention of bbc defended the invention of the as, as the ghost of kyiv as, as justifiable propaganda. so we keep with propaganda keep being hit with propaganda and its keep being hit with propaganda and it's red pilled and i think it's red pilled people made people really people and made people really suspicious. i don't think they're though . they're all linked though. >> i'll leave that there because

now into a break. now we have to go into a break. >> we'll laura and i conspire after the break. we'll be talking to the host of real london, brian rose. >> telling us all about >> he'll be telling us all about his new film. we will not be silenced, as well discussing silenced, as well as discussing the channel the implications of his channel being youtube. being removed from youtube. don't anywhere .

been killed in gaza, largely by israeli bombing since october the 7th. lots of pictures . the 7th. lots of pictures. >> welcome back to neil oliver live. my first guest tonight, mr bnan live. my first guest tonight, mr brian rose is here to talk to us about his channel london reel. but before we get into that, let's take a look at a clip from brian's new film , we will not be brian's new film, we will not be silenced . silenced. >> permits dictate what is allowed to be said , but today we allowed to be said, but today we will not be silenced . and 1 will not be silenced. and 1 million people will be watched . million people will be watched. i prepared my whole life for a

moment like this , but nothing moment like this, but nothing would prepare for what happened next. >> this is london reel. i am bnan >> this is london reel. i am brian rose, my guest today is david. >> ike, what happened after that broadcast? brian . that's very broadcast? brian. that's very intriguing to put it mildly. >> brian , thank you forjoining >> brian, thank you for joining me. what what did happen next as you teased in that clip ? you teased in that clip? >> yeah. well, just to put it in a little context, 12 years ago, i quit my job as a city banker and decided to start broadcasting or i became a youtuber, broadcasting or i became a youtuber , basically. and so that youtuber, basically. and so that was three years ago. so was was three years ago. so i was nine years in. it was april 6th, 2020. i the second largest 2020. i had the second largest youtube live stream in the world that day, concurrent that day, 65,000 concurrent viewers . the winner that day was viewers. the winner that day was president trump's coronavirus briefing at. and this episode would have been gone on to be watched, probably 30, 40 million times, probably the most watched video podcast in history. and 30 minutes later, youtube deleted

and banned that video. now, i've been doing this for nine years. i never had one single video banned from youtube and i started on this massive fight for freedom of speech or what i call digital freedom of speech . call digital freedom of speech. and i subsequently banned and i was subsequently banned and shadow banned by pretty much every other technology platform that day was us fighting back by creating our own platform and live streaming to a million people. what they take people. what did they take exception to? >> were they was it >> i mean, were they was it youtube where youtube explicit with you in what way you with you about in what way you had transgressed? well we were part of that partner program, so i had spent time at youtube studios. >> and when i got someone on the phone, they said that anything that violates or disagrees with the policy, which was the who. policy, which was actually at actually constantly changing at the , going be taken the time, was going to be taken down. and don't even get started using the v word, because if you say vaccine, pretty much forget about at the time, they about it. now, at the time, they first said that shouldn't first said that you shouldn't wear they said you wear a mask, then they said you shouldn't remember shouldn't wear masks. i remember the new york said the governor of new york said something opposition. i said, something in opposition. i said, so are you to ban him? it so are you going to ban him? it was flux. and this is

was much in flux. and this is the with these policies. the problem with these policies. they're so subjective that they can any reason under the sun can use any reason under the sun to content. to basically ban your content. >> see your cancellation coming? >> it was in the wind. >> it was in the wind. >> you know, i had had icon about three earlier and about three weeks earlier and that had gone pretty that episode had gone pretty much and viral. i didn't much global and viral. i didn't know the bbc watching know that the bbc was watching that day and they were really trying to put pressure on youtube. after that youtube. and so after that broadcast, out that youtube. and so after that broadwere out that youtube. and so after that broadwere quite out that youtube. and so after that broadwere quite a out that youtube. and so after that broadwere quite a fewt that youtube. and so after that broadwere quite a few forces there were quite a few forces that were trying to silence us. i didn't see it coming, you know , think it's the , you always think it's the weirdos get censored until weirdos that get censored until it to you. so then it happens to you. and so then i really got this whole education, and right now i'm being censored. and right now i'm being cenwasi. any was there any >> was there any was there any point when were talking to point when you were talking to david when he said david ike, when he said something and you thought, no, we're in, you know, we've got a party? no no, we've got a no, we've got something. it was so early on. >> and first of all, we were all living with fear. there was so much uncertainty. my first broadcast was march 18th. they locked in london about locked us down in london about march that broadcast march 20th. that broadcast was april banned. so april 6th that they banned. so we just didn't know what

we still just didn't know what was and again, i just was going on. and again, i just want to make it clear, i don't believe agree everything believe or agree with everything that say. he has that david acas to say. he has some crazy ideas, but i believe he has right to say it so we he has the right to say it so we can have an open and honest discussion. i never dreamed youtube of youtube would take down one of my was created to my videos. it was created to give people all around give people voices all around the what they the world and that's what they did me. but i felt really did for me. but i felt really betrayed this happening. and betrayed by this happening. and two months ago today i have been completely de—platformed from youtube. so you know, life imitates imitating imitates art now imitating life again. been very challenging. >> laura dodsworth how do you respond do react respond or how do you react listening it's a unique listening to it's not a unique story. we've been aware of story. we've we've been aware of people cancelled people being cancelled de—platformed the rest people being cancelled deitjlatformed the rest people being cancelled deitjlaiyoutube the rest people being cancelled deitjlaiyoutube and the rest people being cancelled deitjlaiyoutube and other rest of it by youtube and other platforms, how do you how do platforms, but how do you how do you to i think you make you respond to i think you make a really good point about the w.h.o. a really good point about the who. because w.h.o. proved w.h.o. because the who. proved itself to be eminently fallible dunng itself to be eminently fallible during the covid 19 pandemic. >> and so social media platforms kind of chasing their tails to be observant about w.h.o. current policy was obviously going to be fraught with problems because, you know,

things are going back and forth. certainly it wasn't just the weirdos. i think talk tv was de—platformed but de—platformed briefly, but of course, part rupert course, as part of the rupert murdoch empire, was murdoch empire, there was pressure be applied pressure that could be applied to them back. i mean, to bring them back. i mean, i think .uk carl heneghan, the director the centre for director of the centre for evidence medicine evidence based medicine and a doctor , and, you know, at oxford doctor, and, you know, at oxford , was also not de—platformed, but kind of visibility filtered on facebook when he critiqued a randomised controlled trial about face masks. so it happened to all kinds of people, you know, professionals , media know, professionals, media organisations. i think the danger is that , you know, one danger is that, you know, one thing about this is that, you know, under article ten of the human rights, we should have freedom of expression. so i think that if you are observant of the law in this country, if you're not inciting violence and hatred, i think you should be allowed to say things which are stupid and wrong . and that's not stupid and wrong. and that's not to say what ever happened in your stupid wrong. but your video was stupid wrong. but then people should able to

then people should be able to dispute put counter dispute it and put up counter material . material. >> what do do brian? i >> what do you do now, brian? i mean, this film, we will not be silenced. what strategy silenced. what is your strategy as you look ahead? silenced. what is your strategy as teah,ok ahead? silenced. what is your strategy as teah,ok ahwfirst of all, >> yeah, well, first of all, all crazy ideas that up becoming crazy ideas that end up becoming amazing in this amazing innovations in this world start out as sounding like stupid from democracy stupid and crazy from democracy to to the to the steam engine to the internet to artificial intelligence. and so if we don't allow that discussion to happen in open and honest way, we're in an open and honest way, we're literally depriving humanity. i mean, argue humanity mean, you could argue humanity only it today only is where it is today because we've had this open and honest would honest debate. i would argue that lives were lost that millions of lives were lost because couldn't have because we couldn't have a debate about lockdowns, about masks, about vaccine, vaccine safety and this is a real issue. and back to article ten or the first amendment in the us or article 11 of european human article 11 of the european human rights . you know that freedom of rights. you know that freedom of expression. more expression. but more importantly, to hear importantly, your right to hear me, listen to me was being me, to listen to me was being violated. now, thanks to elon musk, we found out later that our government was going behind our government was going behind our backs telling these our backs and telling these companies actually break the companies to actually break the law and us. so it's law and censor us. so it's become huge mess. and the fact become a huge mess. and the fact

that now, as of two months ago, i've been de—platformed again , i've been de—platformed again, you know, puts me in a tricky you know, it puts me in a tricky situation. but i focus on situation. but but i focus on what i control. luckily what i can control. luckily these days there's of other these days there's lots of other social media platforms, including including including twitter, including rumble and a variety of others that continue to put out content and won't be influenced by the government . now, recently we saw government. now, recently we saw the government write a letter to rumble trying to get them to silence someone like russell brand. i don't know what he brand. and i don't know what he did and don't agree with did and i don't agree with everything did, to everything that he did, but to do that without any type of judge, anything else, judge, jury or anything else, it's ridiculous . it's just ridiculous. >> and that wasn't the government, though. i just got to say that was an mp writing, but it wasn't on behalf of the british government. but was british government. but it was nonetheless based british government. but it was n0|allegation based british government. but it was n0|allegation . based british government. but it was n0|allegation . yeah, based british government. but it was n0|allegation . yeah, yeah,ased on allegation. yeah, yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> dangerous idea . >> dangerous idea. >> dangerous idea. >> i just want to say it wasn't the british government, but so it's just a dangerous time and right now we're just losing more and of our human rights and and more of our human rights and more and more of our freedoms and now are self—censoring. >> movie goes in and >> so the movie goes in and shows youtubers like me,

shows how youtubers like me, they self censor first. what they self censor first. what they is they they do is they is they demonetise all right? most demonetise you all right? most youtubers rely on that for a living so they will stop saying the bad things. then shadow living so they will stop saying the you things. then shadow living so they will stop saying the you taking then shadow living so they will stop saying the you taking your| shadow living so they will stop saying the you taking your views shadow living so they will stop saying the you taking your views downw ban you taking your views down again, back in again, we'll get you back in line. of course then they line. and of course then they give you strikes they give you strikes and they deplatform you. i never relied on was on youtube for income, so i was free to what i wanted to free to say what i wanted to say. i believe an open, say. i believe in an open, honest debate. i don't agree with most of my guests say, with most of what my guests say, but think we should have that but i think we should have that conversation so this is conversation and so this is important. have talk about important. we have to talk about it to fight back it and we have to fight back again. youtube is this tiny little area silicon valley little area in silicon valley that's exporting their to that's exporting their views to the a real danger the world. it's a real danger right now. >> brick is upon us, >> another brick is upon us, after we'll this after which we'll continue this conversation about online censorship and the rest. and i'll joined. be joined i'll be joined. we'll be joined by and broadcaster i'll be joined. we'll be joined by crick and broadcaster i'll be joined. we'll be joined by crick toi broadcaster i'll be joined. we'll be joined by crick to takeidcaster i'll be joined. we'll be joined by crick to take the ster michael crick to take the conversation further. so don't go away

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conversation about censorship has been very vocal about it. bnan has been very vocal about it. brian rose in particular, even to the extent of making a film about the time when brian stood as a candidate for london mayor but does he think what happened to brian was right? michael crick joins me now. great to have you on the show. you've had , brian in your sights. why was that? and what do you how do you respond to what has happened to brian's channel in in recent ti mes? >> well, times? >> well, i mean, overall , i'm >> well, i mean, overall, i'm very worried about censorship on the whole issue is so complicated . and, you know , complicated. and, you know, values and standards vary in different parts of the world. and we live in a world of a very limited number of very powerful platforms, decisions probably being made by ai , by computer, being made by ai, by computer, not by made by human beings and all sorts of absurdities arrive. i mean, there's a great editorial in the spectator today in which the spectator complains about being, you know, they

wanted to advertise on on facebook and facebook banned their ad because it had a cartoon on the front of joe biden and, you know, it was a bit of satire and, you know, there's a lot of absurdities and there's a lot of absurdities and there are a lot of very, very difficult issues. now, the reason i was critical of, uh, and i'm still critical of what happened with brian is that he himself has censored i mean, when he was running for mayor way back in 2021, you know, a group of school kids interviewed him online about his campaign. and they were they were starting to ask critical questions, which is pretty good for 15 year olds. and there our interview with bnan and there our interview with brian was brought down, went up on youtube for about a minute, and then it was blocked on copyright grounds . and then it copyright grounds. and then it was an argument went for on a few days and eventually they managed to get it back up there. but, you know, london real were using they were arguing that the interview was brian's copyright

or their copyright and therefore they had the right to pull it down, whereas anybody knows a political interview that the copyright on that belongs to the people doing the interview. and bnan people doing the interview. and brian was embarrassed by the questioning he's embarrassed questioning and he's embarrassed by people asking about his business by people asking about his bus let;s respond to that >> let brian respond to that right away. >> yeah, don't remember us >> yeah, i don't remember us doing that whatsoever. >> you don't remember the argument? >> no, i remember the interview, but i don't remember type of but i don't remember any type of censorship allegation. >> this is a big story at the time, covered in all time, it was covered in all sorts of places . i don't believe sorts of places. i don't believe it when you say don't it when you say you don't remember okay. it when you say you don't rerrs0|ber okay. it when you say you don't rerrso what okay. it when you say you don't rerrso what i okay. it when you say you don't rerrso what i wanted to talk >> so what i wanted to talk about our digital platforms about was our digital platforms allowing the to free allowing us the right to free speech. and when we give that those up people like those rights up to people like to youtube potential and online safety. bill yeah. >> let's talk about this >> well, let's talk about this this this case here. right? this this this case here. right? okay. use said you claimed okay. you use said you claimed that the interview these young school school kids right school kids. i did all the interviews dunng kids. i did all the interviews during the mayoral campaign, so i'd have to go back and check. well, look, this is bogus. i

mean , there was a big fuss about mean, there was a big fuss about this at the and, you know, this at the time. and, you know, when we get to our age, our memories aren't great. but in this case, i mean, okay, well, let me say, do you think it's wrong then, that that interview should taken should have been taken off? >> you know who censored me was the not inviting on their show? >> can you answered my question against you're the against you're avoiding the question where the question here. that's where the censor the censor you're avoiding the question here right. >> do think it's right that >> do you think it's right that london is your london reel works which is your company? don't have the company? we don't have the exercise copyright. >> we don't have the power to censor. censo i'. >> censon >> well, yeah, you >> well, you. yeah, but you claim interview is your claim the interview is your copyright and then came came down to the bottom of down to get to the bottom of this because there's clearly a but saying is that but what i'm saying is that this is really the first man to is not really the first man to talk about censorship because he is censorship himself . is exercised censorship himself. >> i would say that, you know, the error there seems to be youtube they received youtube because if they received a violation and a copyright violation report and there was copyright violated, there was no copyright violated, they shouldn't have. >> would they who did >> well, who would they who did they the copyright they get? the copyright violation from? would you like to apologise then to felix van der geest? would like der geest? would you like to take this opportunity to apologise doing that?

apologise to him for doing that? bnan apologise to him for doing that? brian brian brian disputes schoolboy brian disputes version of events. disputes that version of events. >> and we're going to get to >> and we're not going to get to the well. >> he hasn't explained what the version because version of events is because he doesn't remember it. >> we're not going to get to the bottom of it. this is a basic disagreement specific disagreement over a specific incident, well, incident, but kind of to well, you might like to take the opportunity and express sympathy with a school. >> he's still a schoolboy. he was only, you know, he hadn't even even in gcse even wasn't even in his gcse year to see that year at the time to see that your disputing that, that that account of that sequence of events, as i say, we're just not going i you could going to i mean, you could express couldn't he, express sympathy, couldn't he, because something taken because he had something taken down youtube well. his down off youtube as well. his interview with brian rose, which mysteriously interview with brian rose, which myst(it's1sly mysterious. it well, it's not mysterious. it was on copyright was taken down on copyright grounds london reel were grounds because london reel were exercising were claiming the copyright belonged to brian with youtube they can choose will express then felix express sympathy then with felix van i really cannot tell them what censor. what to censor. >> can choose to express >> they can choose to express sympathy felix. something >> they can choose to express sympawith felix. something >> they can choose to express sympawith fe do something >> they can choose to express sympawith fe do you 1ething >> they can choose to express sympawith fe do you knowg >> they can choose to express sympawith fe do you know if wrong with that? do you know if i in this situation and this i was in this situation and this had happened to be me, happened to be hugely embarrassed to me, i'd be hugely embarrassed and give and i'd be saying, felix, give me number. and i'd be saying, felix, give

mei'll number. and i'd be saying, felix, give me i'll ring|ber. and i'd be saying, felix, give me i'll ring him up. i will say >> i'll ring him up. i will say sorry to felix van der geest. mr rose is not doing that. why? well just to get stuck here. >> let's. let's just move this where we are. >> because he's refusing to apologise to but felix apologise to mr van, but felix van is schoolboy. and only van is a schoolboy. and only you as apologise sorry and mr as to apologise for sorry and mr van. should we ring him up? let's ring him up and put him on live. >> let's. let's not. let's not. >> let's. let's not. let's not. >> no, let's do that. because let's do that. ring him up right now will give you his now and he will give you his version of events. >> can't do that, michael. >> we can't do that, michael. >> we can't do that, michael. >> that. >> we can't do that. >> we can't do that. >> it i can i just address >> it can i can i just address saying what i'm saying is that censorship many censorship takes many forms. >> when brian was >> and when brian rose was running for mayor of london, he didn't when people didn't like it when people started asking difficult questions. can i and a politician who's worth his salt should open to toughest should be open to the toughest scrutiny be scrutiny and shouldn't be frightened of a bunch of schoolboys? >> plenty of you mustn't, including on my we including by you on my we mustn't talk about everything that on single issue. >> now, you talk about being broadly of censorship . broadly wary of censorship. yeah. okay. now on this channel on gb news with in the company of michelle dewberry, you said

that you thought gb news ought to be shut down. now that would appear because you're biased . appear because you're biased. >> you're a right wing. i mean, you do things like you have, you're basically i mean, i've been fighting bias in television for very long time it's for a very long time and it's one the reasons i left one of the reasons i left channel 4 news because i thought it biased. and it was left wing biased. and i think ofcom, one of the think ofcom, who are one of the weakest institutions the weakest institutions on the planet, get a grip on you planet, should get a grip on you lot. i mean, it's absurd that you have mp after tory mp you have tory mp after tory mp after tory mp to leaders of the brexit party and hardly any labour mps. you are a right wing channel and the rules in this country are very clear. >> there's no doubting, there is no doubting. i don't think you can. i don't think you can deny that the channel has made space for kinds of voices left, for all kinds of voices left, right . right. >> and no, they're predominantly on the right. i mean, look, you know, when nigel farage takes the who replaces him? the week off, who replaces him? okay, replaces him? the okay, who replaces him? the leader. the leader of the brexit reform uk . the 67 leader. the leader of the brexit reform uk. the 67 million leader. the leader of the brexit reform uk . the 67 million people

reform uk. the 67 million people in this country. you choose to replace nigel farage. it's his successor as brexit party leader. >> but going into you've got bofis >> but going into you've got boris johnson going into jacob rees—mogg. with us. rees—mogg. bear with us. >>

welcome back to neil oliver live. >> i will say right now without any input from anywhere else, that i'm very disappointed kid about the sequence of events that just unfolded there the last thing i want to see during a conversation between grown ups about censorship is that conversation being brought abruptly to a close by others. i feel that that conversation should have gone on to its conclusion , but there we go. conclusion, but there we go. that's the situation in which i find myself. but i make no bones about it. i don't stand by censorship . okay? something censorship. okay? something completely different . should completely different. should tobacco style warnings be put on meat? surely meat is good for

you. good for our country is this utter madness. we'll be chatting about this as we go into in search of a guest. we have a study carried out by durham university that found apparently that putting cigarette style warnings on meat could act to deter consumption . could act to deter consumption. is this a right step or a step too far yet? to discuss this further is channel islands dairy farmer jason salisbury. hello jason . jason. >> good evening, neil. how are you ? you? >> i'm well. jason. as well as can be expected. what livestock, first of all do you raise ? first of all do you raise? >> so we have dairy cows and a few beef cows as well back in the uk because i'm obviously in the uk because i'm obviously in the channel islands at the moment. but what is the nature of the warnings that you are expecting to see appear on meat? well if it actually came down to it, i mean , do we do we actually

it, i mean, do we do we actually need warnings on meat because we like you say, we do actually need them. we you know, we need to have a balanced diet and we need to we feel that we that people should have the choice. as know, we've we've just as you know, we've we've just gone through a massive hurricane here in the last few days and the guys have gone out there with the chainsaws and it's their choice actually their choice to actually should they chop trees down they actually chop trees down and should have their own and people should have their own choice of element of risk, you know , and where do we stop ? know, and where do we stop? >> i read all the time. i read all the time about about how meat is not only not bad for health, but that it's positively essential to development and to healthy living. are these warnings misinformation , as you warnings misinformation, as you would broadly understand the term misinformation ? term misinformation? >> yeah , i think i think >> yeah, i think i think everybody has got to make their own mind up really ? own mind up really? >> i mean, where's where is this? where's this actually going to stop? you know, are we going to stop? you know, are we going to stop? you know, are we

going to put warnings all over the all over the country and say, look, you shouldn't step off the pavement because a car should hit, could hit or, off the pavement because a car sh01know,, could hit or, off the pavement because a car sh01know, you|ld hit or, off the pavement because a car sh01know, you should or, off the pavement because a car sh01know, you should giver, off the pavement because a car sh01know, you should give these you know, you should give these people an absolute, you know, put put the advice in front of them and or put the facts in front of them and say, look, now it's up to you. now, really, this isn't a nanny state. you should you should sort this out and you should be able to make your own mind up. >> also out there, lab grown meat, plant based meat, fake meat, plant based meat, fake meat, whatever you want to call it, i would say that they're of questionable health value to anyone eating them . should there anyone eating them. should there be warnings on those products ? be warnings on those products? >> well, they should be. you know , like i say, you should know, like i say, you should people should have their own take their own mind if they if they want to eat plant based products, if they want to eat lab grown let them, you lab grown meat, let them, you know. know, give the know. but you know, give the people the give the people the information and say, look, would you prefer to have an animal walking the countryside walking around the countryside and eating the flora and fauna or would you like to have some

meat which is which is grown in a lab? i mean, it's you know, it give the people the choice . give the people the choice. >> give the people the choice. a sentiment that i wholly concur with. jason salisbury thank you very much for joining with. jason salisbury thank you very much forjoining me with. jason salisbury thank you very much for joining me this evening. >> you're welcome . >> you're welcome. >> you're welcome. >> laura, i need to i need to come back to you about what happenedin come back to you about what happened in during that conversation with michael crick and brian rose. what do you feel about the that broad issue of censorship ? talk about censorship? talk about censorship? talk about censorship being censored ? censorship being censored? >> well, it's tricky. i mean, i guess the program is coming into an ad break. so the conversation was going to come short. you know, paul was to going end shortly, but it did end abruptly. and that's a shame . i abruptly. and that's a shame. i think that it would have been more fruitful to let it continue. but there are a couple of things about the conversation which were a bit problematic . which were a bit problematic. michael michael crick was being

quite boorish. he was holding the floor and you know , it's not the floor and you know, it's not censorship, but it's a form of it. if you don't let anyone else get a word in. so it wasn't really a two way exchange. it was fixating on one issue. i would have liked to chip in and had more to say as well. it had had more to say as well. it is such an important conversation. i mean, this is going really define the next going to really define the next era of communication for us. the online a online safety bill is such a game changer and to fixate on one is to leave aside some one video is to leave aside some of really important issues of the really important issues that are coming know, that are coming up. you know, the companies are now the big tech companies are now legally uphold legally obliged to uphold their own and conditions as own terms and conditions as their conditions in which their terms. conditions in which we totally disagree with and we may totally disagree with and go against article ten of go against our article ten of the human rights . and i the european human rights. and i mean, there is so much to get into i think it's a shame into here. i think it's a shame the conversation was cut short. into here. i think it's a shame thwould ersation was cut short. into here. i think it's a shame thwould ers('a on was cut short. into here. i think it's a shame thwould ers; a on wathing short. into here. i think it's a shame thwould ers('a on wathing to m. it would be a good thing to revisit. but, you know, it's a very difficult to moderate a conversation like when one conversation like that when one person stop . i should person won't stop. i should stop, shouldn't i? >> , i think i think it's a >> no, i think i think it's a it's important topic to it's a very important topic to open up that it's clearly

becoming the case that fewer and fewer people have the material, the material decisions about what we do and don't hear and the conversations that do or do not take place . and it's my it's not take place. and it's my it's my feeling that in a world where there has to be a binary choice between on less information , between on less information, more government or or freedom to speak , then i know that i will speak, then i know that i will always opt for a situation in which people are given the freedom to speak even where even where people say things that some people find offensive, that some people find offensive, that some people find harmful . some people find harmful. >> well, i think it's also counterproductive. you know, i haven't seen that film between bnan haven't seen that film between brian rose and david eick. i bet. i wouldn't agree with a lot of it, but that doesn't mean i think it should be taken down. it also creates a kind of a streisand effect, you know, people think it's been taken down because dark forces are at work and the content of the

video must be real and they're going to more likely to try going to be more likely to try and go and find it. so i think that, you know, as they always say, it's a cliche, but sunlight is the best disinfectant. i think counter bad think you counter bad information with good information ocean. and the problem you you set up as problem is who you you set up as the fact checker and the priest of truth. there are lots of problems with this. you know, just the other week we had the bbc report that israeli forces had bombed hospital and there had bombed a hospital and there hadn't. amazing how the was hadn't. amazing how the bbc was so to the word of so quick to believe the word of a organisation. now, a terrorist organisation. now, if platform, if that was an online platform, not bbc, would they be not the bbc, would they be losing their licence would be, you would they would you know, would they be would they it's very they be fined? um, it's very difficult to get all of this right in a fast paced world. i think there are a lot of very good intentions behind this online safety bill >> for instance, i mean, for instance, protecting children from harmful content, which from very harmful content, which could be about encouraging eating disorders or . eating disorders or. >> a lot more of the internet is going to be age gated as a result of the online safety bill. that's going to have

advantages disadvantages. bill. that's going to have adv really is disadvantages. bill. that's going to have adv really is to isadvantages. bill. that's going to have adv really is to get vantages. bill. that's going to have adv really is to get this ages. it's really hard to get this right the moment. the right at the moment. the internet is a wild west. i do fear it's going to become a totality state when it comes to protecting children from that kind content that you just described. >> broadly speaking , aren't the >> broadly speaking, aren't the tools already there do that tools already there to do that without necessity have tools already there to do that witho legislation ssity have tools already there to do that witho legislation and have tools already there to do that witho legislation and more|ve tools already there to do that witho legislation and more law ? more legislation and more law? you know, isn't it already isn't it already? isn't it already the case that that kind of content could be monitored and where necessary, blocked from children ? >> i'm not sure. i'm really i'm really not sure about that. i have to admit, that's not an angle that i've looked into. the most thoroughly. but there is some extremely disturbing most thoroughly. but there is some e)aboutly disturbing most thoroughly. but there is some e)about selfsturbing most thoroughly. but there is some e)about self harm ng most thoroughly. but there is some e)about self harm and content about self harm and eating disorders that's targeted at young people on all the social media platforms. more needs to be done to enforce. do you accept? >> do accept that that is >> do you accept that that is the overarching behind the overarching intention behind the overarching intention behind the online safety bill? >> no, i don't put fonnard that. that's the main intention. don't be silly. i mean, of course , i be silly. i mean, of course, i think the danger is that a lot of the counter disinformation on

thatis of the counter disinformation on that is exercised already and through the online safety bill runs the risk of being countered. dissent and that's what's dangerous . uh, brian did what's dangerous. uh, brian did bnng what's dangerous. uh, brian did bring up the good example of the w.h.o. bring up the good example of the who. being the arbiters of w.h.o. being the arbiters of truth on on youtube and social media platforms . and they media platforms. and they weren't really a fallible source of truth because everything was changing . so often it's about changing. so often it's about shutting down opposition to government policy and the people that enforce these policies, you know, people are ofcom or at big tech, none of them , you know, tech, none of them, you know, they're never they're never neutral. brian was saying he doesn't like he doesn't like gb news because it's too right wing or channel four's too left wing. nobody ideologically nobody is ideologically and politically well, politically neutral. well, everybody's there's everybody's biased. so there's always there's always a danger. you know who fact checks the fact checkers? well well, exactly. >> because loose and woolly concepts like stirring up hatred or , you know who makes decisions

or, you know who makes decisions about what is and is not offensive, you know who makes decisions about what will stir up hatred? >> well , i up hatred? >> well, i think this is a real problem because as under the online safety bill, big tech platforms will be responsible for policing content , platforms will be responsible for policing content, which platforms will be responsible for policing content , which they for policing content, which they define, which they consider hate speech or malicious communications . those are not communications. those are not easy things to define at the best of times. and i think it would be much better policed in this country by our own law enforcement and not by big tech companies that aren't based here. >> thank you for that contribution. that's contribution. there that's all from tonight on neil oliver from me tonight on neil oliver live. to guests live. thanks to all my guests tonight. it was a it was a strange experience for me. but there we go. my brilliant panellist, laura dodsworth, stayed with the end. stayed with me till the end. next up, it's saturday, five. hello there. >> good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. slight mixed picture for those of us stepping out for fireworks shows over the next couple of particularly couple of days, particularly tonight. there will some tonight. there will be some heavy of heavy showers across parts of southeast england, with southeast england, maybe with some thunder.

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well . it's saturday night and well. it's saturday night and this is the saturday five. >> i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona emily carver, benjamin buttennorth and conor tomlinson . tonight on the show , tomlinson. tonight on the show, stern suella. but it's all so we can be kind samaritans as politicians. stop distracting us with cultural issues and focus on our priorities . on our priorities. >> i don't mind a little bit of foul language in politics. do you ? you? >> and why there should be no ceasefire until hamas is obliterated and pro—palestinian protests taking place on armistice day disrespect the memory of the men who fought to

keep britain free. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five of welcome to the saturday five. now, i'll tell you what you don't need to go and stand outside in the cold. this bonfire night weekend. and there's going to be plenty of fireworks right here. and as usual , i've got couple of usual, i've got a couple of sparklers alongside me in the shape of alby and emily, plus the fawkes of the operation. the guy fawkes of the operation. it's wokeist man britain, it's the wokeist man in britain, benjamin also benjamin buttennorth. also tonight, his debut on the tonight, making his debut on the show, the writer and commentator conor . does he know conor tomlinson. does he know what he's let himself for ? in what he's let himself for? in we'll find out. >> now, premise of the show >> now, the premise of the show is simple. >> of us gets 60s to >> each of us gets around 60s to outline our argument our outline our argument about our chosen topic . then we all pile chosen topic. then we all pile in and throw each other under the as if were witnesses the bus as if we were witnesses at covid enquiry. now please at the covid enquiry. now please do get in touch with your views on all of our topics. us